The Diddy Trial: “Return Him to His Family"

Summary

Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial Episode: The Diddy Trial: “Return Him to His Family"
Release Date: June 27, 2025
Hosted by: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes
Special Guest: Aubrey O’Day

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Introduction

In this episode of the iHeartRadio podcast hosted by Amy Robach and TJ Holmes, along with guest Aubrey O’Day, the hosts delve into the intense proceedings of the high-profile Sean "Diddy" Combs trial. The discussion offers a comprehensive analysis of the day's closing arguments, the strategies employed by both the defense and prosecution, and the implications for the jury's upcoming deliberations.

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Overview of the Day's Proceedings

Amy Robach begins the discussion by setting the stage for the day's events:

"It is Friday, June 27, and closing arguments are done in the Diddy trial. Both sides have said all they can say and they've made their cases to the jury. And it is now up to them to decide the fate of Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs." [02:43]

The day was notably long, with court sessions extending well into the evening:

"They went well past a couple hours past till five plus. And they've been listening to a lot of lawyers talk." [03:14]

Cindy Crawford, co-hosting momentarily, adds:

"They saw a lot of showboating, gesticulating and some very interesting common sense arguments... we can get into all of that." [03:23]

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Defense's Closing Arguments

The defense, led by Mark Agnifillo, presented a four-hour-plus closing argument aiming to cast doubt on the prosecution's case:

"Mark Agnifilo, the lead attorney for Diddy, started the day off this morning and he went for about four hours... lawyers are like Baptist preachers." [03:49]

Key Points from Agnifillo’s Argument:

1. Discrediting Cassie Ventura:
   Agnifillo attempted to undermine the credibility of Cassie Ventura, suggesting that her testimony was influenced by personal grievances.

2. Alternative Explanation for ‘Freak Off’ Incident:
   Agnifillo presented an alternate narrative for the incident captured in surveillance footage, suggesting it was a personal argument rather than coercion for sex acts:

   "He was offering an alternate explanation that didn't involve coercion to actually perform during freak offs, but instead it was just a lover's quarrel over a cell phone." [07:00]

3. Portrayal of Events as a Setup:
   He posited that the violent night leading to the allegations was a setup fueled by existing rumors and legal actions against Diddy.

4. Normalizing the 'Freak Off' Events:
   Agnifillo described the gatherings as innocent social events:

   "There is a rapport. Everyone is smiling. It is a sex party. They are eating food. Cassie is eating watermelon. They are listening to music." [14:33]

Amy Robach critiques this portrayal:

"After you heard both of these women tearfully talk about having to painfully continue to perform for hours on end... this is a completely different explanation for what the videos were that we saw." [14:07]

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Prosecution's Rebuttal

Following the defense's lengthy closing, Maureen Comey from the prosecution delivered a 90-minute rebuttal aimed at dismantling the defense's narrative:

"Maureen Comey came up for the prosecution to conduct the rebuttal... she was... had a tone that didn't match necessarily Agnifilo, but at least represented a little bit of what he was doing." [18:22]

Key Points from Comey’s Rebuttal:

1. Reaffirming the Severity of Charges:
   Comey emphasized that regardless of any personal abuse allegations, the core issue remained the sex trafficking charges.

2. Challenging the Defense's Normalization of Events:
   She dismissed the defense's attempt to portray the events as benign social gatherings:

   "This is companionship. This was probably one of my favorite lines I heard from prosecutors in the last two days." [25:18]

3. Addressing Agnifillo's Claims:
   Comey countered Agnifillo's suggestions that such events were commonplace and not unique to Diddy:

   "You can’t describe it as the beautiful thing that he described. Possibly." [15:59]

4. Defending the Prosecution's Stance on Domestic Abuse:
   She clarified that being a domestic abuser does not exonerate one from sex trafficking charges:

   "With Diddy, no was never an option... being a domestic abuser is not a defense to sex trafficking." [26:26]

Cindy Crawford highlights the effectiveness of Comey’s arguments:

"She kind of took on that same tone and she got a little... This is where she kind of got sarcastic." [25:53]

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Jury Deliberation and Next Steps

The judges set the stage for the jury's deliberation, scheduled to begin the following Monday:

"The jury officially will not begin their deliberations until Monday. So they have the whole weekend to process what they heard." [05:08]

Cindy Crawford expresses concern over the clarity of the charges:

"How is Sean Combs supposed to know that this time they don't want to do it or this time it's not okay to do it?" [22:18]

Amy Robach adds:

"Which ones were? Was she coerced enough here? She was scared enough on this one without." [21:03]

The hosts discuss the potential duration of the jury's deliberations and the factors that might influence their decision-making process, including the thoroughness of the arguments presented and the jurors' personal lives.

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Notable Quotes

• Mark Agnifillo:
  "You should summon that courage and to do what needs to be done and to do the right thing. He sits there innocent. Return him to his family who have been waiting for him." [23:31]

• Maureen Comey:
  "Being a domestic abuser is not a defense to sex trafficking." [26:26]

• Amy Robach on Defense's Narrative:
  "After you heard both of these women tearfully talk about having to painfully continue to perform for hours on end... this is a completely different explanation for what the videos were that we saw." [14:07]

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Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Amy and Cindy reflect on the day's intense courtroom drama and anticipate the jury's challenging deliberations. The hosts acknowledge the complexity of the case, highlighting the conflicting narratives presented by the defense and prosecution. They also emphasize the pivotal role of the jury in determining the outcome based on the evidence and testimonies heard.

"That's all tbd, you know, and there is so much for them to consider." [06:23]

The episode concludes with Amy and Cindy thanking listeners for their engagement and promising to continue providing in-depth coverage and analysis as the trial progresses.

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers listeners a detailed and nuanced exploration of the Diddy trial's critical juncture. Through expert analysis and insightful commentary, Amy Robach, TJ Holmes, and Aubrey O’Day provide a thorough understanding of the legal strategies, courtroom dynamics, and the broader implications of the case as it stands on the brink of a verdict.

Transcript

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[Amy]

It is Friday, June 27, and closing arguments are done in the Diddy trial. Both sides have said all they can say and they've made their cases to the jury. And it is now up to them to decide the fate of Sean Diddy Combs. And with that, welcome to this second Diddy update of the day here on Amy and TJ and robes. It's been a long, long day in court. Usually throughout the case. They've been going usually till 3 o' clock.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yeah.

[Amy]

They went well past a couple hours past till five plus. And they've been listening to a lot of lawyers talk.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yes. And telling them completely opposite things. Disregard this. Think about that. They've seen a lot of showboating, gesticulating and some very interesting common sense arguments and then a lot of stuff I think many of the jurors might have been internally rolling their eyes at. But we can get into all of that.

[Amy]

But Mark Agniflo, the lead attorney for Diddy, started the day off this morning and he went for about four hours. They were saying robes, I guess, I swear, I guess lawyers are like Baptist preachers. When they say, this ain't gonna take long, you just assume it's gonna take longer.

[Cindy Crawford]

Right.

[Amy]

Number of times I've been in church and they say, hey, I'm wrapping up. That's when we know to get settled in. So they said three hours and they did not stick to that time limit.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yes, over four hours. But that actually pales in comparison to the prosecution's closing arguments yesterday when they went over five hours, or almost five hours, I should say. And after the jurors sat through Mark Agnifullo's four hour plus closing arguments, then Maureen Comey came back for the prosecution and spent about 90 minutes for a rebuttal. So this was an exceptionally long day for the jury. So the judge, before they even went back after the break, let everyone know that he was saving his instructions for the jury to Monday. So the jury officially will not begin their deliberations until Monday. So they have the whole weekend to process what they heard. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. They're not supposed to talk to anybody about what they've seen, seen, heard, witnessed, what they're thinking, what they're feeling.

[Amy]

They can use the break. Just the rest. It's good to reset. It's been a long week for them, a very trying week. I mean, I mean, seven weeks for them.

[Cindy Crawford]

Eight weeks, my goodness. And it could be an even longer week next week. But I'm sure they're all getting ready for that Fourth of July holiday a week from today. So they have motivation to come back with some sort of verdict, some sort of answer by the end of next week.

[Amy]

They and kind of we don't know how long the jury instructions are going to take. So on Monday, it could take half the day. It could take 1 hour, 2, 3. So they might not get going until lunch or after. So you maybe got a half day now. He said it's going to be up to them. And I've seen jury sometimes say we want more time and go into the night. So are they going to end every day at 3, 4, 5? And you talk about as well, some of them have personal lives and some things they might want to get out for, and they're the things they need to do. They're going to be able to determine. So we don't know how many hours they're going to get each day, but we know they got four days next.

[Cindy Crawford]

Week, maybe three and a half, like you're pointing out, because of the juror, the judge's instructions to the juror for deliberation. So they may only have three and a half days for sure. Court is out of session on the Fourth of July. If they need that day, that day will be, I guess, spent with family and they'll have to come back the following week. We'll have to see.

[Amy]

That's all tbd, you know, and there is so much for them to consider. Rose. We, the back and forth, we, we said it. I mean, every time we hear one side, we go, wow, that's a slam dunk. And then we hear the other side and go, wow, they just shot down everything that. So the back and forth. We kind of saw these volleys go back and forth and they kind of went tit for tat. But we'll finish up. We gave you the, in our part one of the day, we told you what Mark Agnifillo, the lead attorney for Diddy, said in his first half of his closing arguments. But he, he picked up and he spent a lot of time robes going after or at least trying to discredit, I should say, Cassie Ventura.

[Cindy Crawford]

Fine, he certainly did. And in that, he was also talking about just this is, this is a little bit of, of a tough point just because obviously the jurors saw Cassie. They listened to her, they watched her demeanor. She was eight and a half months pregnant. And so his big point was that, that surveillance video that was shown ad nauseam during the trial, he claims that was not a situation where she was trying to get away from Diddy from a freak off. She didn't want to be in a freak off and he coerced her to come back. No, he said this was an argument or a quarrel. I believe he put it that way. Over a cell phone. And so he was offering an alternate explanation that didn't involve coercion to actually perform during freak offs, but instead it was just a lover's quarrel over a cell phone.

[Amy]

Okay. This is important because they. That's part of the reason of. Part of the ways they can make a sex traffic count. This particular incident, they played. The defense played a part of that surveillance video. However, it's not a part that you have seen in all likelihood. It's not a part of any of the violence going on. It's a different angle in which they're just walking. You see her walking down the high hall hallway with a cell phone. Do you fast forward to when he actually assaulted her, but then he left her and he snatches something from her that was the cell phone. And they claim that's the evidence. That's evidence. She went back into the room, they say, for another almost four minutes and say, hey, that is not a scary place.

[Cindy Crawford]

Right.

[Amy]

So if it's not a scary place, where is the fear that she has to perform a sex act or she's going to be harmed?

[Cindy Crawford]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Is the argument. Did the jury buy that one? Because the rebuttal came that we're going to get into later that went after that very theory.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yes, exactly. So he said the point is that room that Diddy was in that she was seemingly running from. Of course she was running from. She went right back to it after what we all saw in that surveillance video. And why would she do that if she was scared of him?

[Amy]

I've never heard that point or anything about a different angle or that argument. I haven't heard it before.

[Cindy Crawford]

That's the first I've heard of that as well. And then he also went to talk about Jane and talked about that point where the prosecution said she got into a fight with him. Then she went into another room and the sex worker, the male escort, heard slapping and hitting, and then he was telling her, you have to go back and you have to perform. And, well, they point out, the defense pointed out in their closing arguments that Jane started the fight, that she slammed Diddy's head onto that countertop first and said that that was not the way the prosecution. It was very different than the way the prosecution presented it and the way Jane testified to look.

[Amy]

It was a violent fight. It was at her house. It was the one she went and hid outside of her home for two hours. It was that night with a terribly violent fight. And they, they held on to this theory. This was supposed to be another sex trafficking night because after she was beaten up, they called a male escort over and she was told to perform.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yeah, put some ice on those bruises.

[Amy]

And that was night. Put on. What was the line? It was something. So like put on something nice or put on.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yeah, lingerie. I thought he wanted her to put on lingerie while she was icing her injuries that he gave her and said, and now you're going to perform. So.

[Amy]

So that night, as awful as it was, the way they are framing it now with the defense is she started the fight. She's not being trafficked. She's not being told, you have to do this because. Or I'm threatening you with violence. No, she pounded his head into a.

[Cindy Crawford]

Marble countertop because she was jealous over some young thing that Diddy was seeing on the side.

[Amy]

And say they even went further on this night saying this came out of nowhere and even made the suggestion that this whole night was a setup. Waiting for this because at this point he was. Allegations were out there. Cassie's lawsuit was out there.

[Cindy Crawford]

The other thing that was kind of shocking to me and I think to you as well, tj, because we talked about this, we heard Mark say to the jury, you guys know who her baby father is talking about Jane, and kept alluding to personal information about Jane that. That has been kept confidential at trial for all of us. But it's known to the jurors, but it's almost like we were saying he was suggesting that they go home this weekend and Google it. And that point is obviously this, this person who is her baby daddy, who we won't say because obviously that would identify perhaps who she is. But he said, look, bottom line, Jane was there with him in Vegas and she was comfortable being in that sort of stratosphere or strata. So this is where she attended another freak off like sex party. And so she went there willingly with her baby daddy, who's also a well known person. And so this is her M.O. basically, that's what they were trying to imply. But it was a little shocking that he was being so specific in potentially identifying Jane in his closing arguments.

[Amy]

I mean, nobody objected. Nobody hoot and hollered. I guess it was allowed. But it sounded very tabloid ish. It sounded very social media chatter like that. He just kind of slid that in there. And to your point, it does sound like they are aware, right? The. The jury is.

[Cindy Crawford]

The jury is aware. I mean, they see her. So I mean, she's not obviously testifying under her actual name, but her face isn't obscured in any way.

[Amy]

But what was the assignment? It did. It seemed like an assignment. He planted something in their heads for some reason. With that, why now? We need a legal expert.

[Cindy Crawford]

Lots of doubt being cast. The other thing to me, there was something that Mark was trying to do or at least provide another explanation for freakoff to the jury. That didn't really pass the test for me. He really tried to tell the jurors or bring this home to the jurors that these freak offs weren't just about sex, that this was about hanging out, about eating food, listening to music. He brought up Usher. He talked about Cassie eating watermelon, that this was just a good old time where sometimes sex happened. How'd you feel about that?

[Amy]

I feel that you. I'm sorry. I love you, but I think you did a disservice. You should read that. His. Read it line for line.

[Cindy Crawford]

Okay, wait.

[Amy]

And he puts together a beautiful. It sounds like a party you'd like to go to.

[Cindy Crawford]

A beautiful tonight. A beautiful evening. He called it.

[Amy]

Okay, you see the next. The music's nice. The mood seems friendly and easygoing, and everyone is smiling, they're laughing. Forget the sex part. There's a real genuine intimacy and just nice quality to these evenings.

[Cindy Crawford]

That's tough. That's tough. After you heard both of these women tearfully talk about having to painfully continue to perform for hours on end, fueled with drugs, with UTIs and yeast infections, no condoms. And then this is just a completely, completely different explanation for what the videos were that we saw.

[Amy]

Go ahead, take that. Next.

[Cindy Crawford]

He even said this. This is. You're right. I did it. My summation thank you was nowhere near as entertaining as his exact words. So these were his exact words from Mark Agnifillo. Looking at the videos you heard from Jane. There is a rapport. Everyone is smiling. It is a sex party. They are eating food. Cassie is eating watermelon. They are listening to music. The two escorts called to testify said there was a lot of talking and hanging out, see ropes.

[Amy]

It sounds like. What the. That sounds like a beautiful evening.

[Cindy Crawford]

It sounds kind of laughable, though, once you've all. I mean, these jurors have heard women testify to something completely, then it Makes it sound silly. So that act like a lot of what he did, a lot of what he said actually was very effective. As we talked about in part one of what happened earlier this morning, this, he completely lost me as someone who was trying to keep my mind open and I just, it was kind of laughable. Okay, you agree?

[Amy]

I, okay. To, to your point, he didn't go too far too often. This was one that might have felt like a stretch. Now even if everyone in that video was a completely willing participant, you still couldn't describe it as the beautiful thing that he described. Possibly.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yes. And look, the other, the other thing the defense was arguing throughout the trial and tried to bring home again today in closing arguments was that these male escorts were invited to hotel nights or freak offs, however you want to call them. They were paid for their time and their experience, not sex. Yeah, come on.

[Amy]

Escort. That's what it means, right? Escort. You escort me here, you escort me there, you keep me company.

[Cindy Crawford]

And yet the escorts described having sex with his girls while he masturbated.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Cindy Crawford]

So I don't think it was about, as we heard from the rebuttal, scintillating conversation.

[Amy]

It was an open contract. They didn't know what they were. Yes. That is a point that the defense attorney made several times today that no, they were not paid for sex. He point, he made a point of one. One evening they had somebody come by. He, he was rejected by Jane, I think it was, she didn't like that guy and they still paid him and he left.

[Cindy Crawford]

One time, one time sex didn't happen. So you can't hang your hat on the one anomaly where they didn't have sex.

[Amy]

Hey, I'm not the lawyer here. I'm just telling you what he said.

[Cindy Crawford]

He lost me on that one.

[Amy]

And the attorney did kind of. This is laughable. She called it laughable to think they weren't there for sex.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yes, I, I do think that this was, this was an interesting comment that, that Mark Agniflo said. He said, I don't think this is the only man in America making homemade porn.

[Amy]

It's kind of not, that's not simplifying but also being dismissive of what Diddy is doing.

[Cindy Crawford]

Right.

[Amy]

He's being dismissive because so many other people do this. Why is he on trial for it?

[Cindy Crawford]

Correct.

[Amy]

Does that land? I don't know. But that was a way of kind of leveling the field. This is what a lot of men do.

[Cindy Crawford]

That was one of his better lines in this second half. But he again had so many other ones for me that I was like, ooh, I think you've, I think you've over overreached at this point. Just again, my non legal opinion.

[Amy]

All right, stay with us here folks because when we come back. Quick break here. When we come back, we're going to tell you what the diddy's defense attorney, his lead attorney, Agnifillo, what he thought should be his final words to the jury. Also, we'll tell you how the prosecution wrapped things up and a big update to the schedule for the jury.

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[Amy]

Right, folks, welcome back. As Mark Agnafillo closed, wrapped up his arguments robes, I thought the line was important. When we talked about sex, was every single incident, every freak off considered sex trafficking? He asked the jury the question the government said. They're not saying that every single hotel night was sex trafficking. Well, then which ones were? And how is Sean Combs supposed to know the difference? If you just write that down and take that into the jury room with you, that's kind of powerful. Which ones were? Which ones weren't? Which ones were? Was she coerced enough here? She was scared enough on this one without.

[Cindy Crawford]

Now, I, I was shocked when we heard the prosecutor. The government acknowledge that because on one hand, I get it. They're trying to say, hey, we're not saying every single night was sex trafficking, but there. And they laid out the three, I believe, specific instances where they said it was. But that does open the door for what we just heard from Agnifillo. That how I said this, how is Diddy supposed to know that this time they don't want to do it or this time it's not okay to do it? That, that, that seems a little gray and a little shaky in terms of what Diddy was supposed to Know if they're acknowledging, if the prosecution is acknowledging there were parties, freak offs, hotel nights where it wasn't sex trafficking. That is confusing to me. So it's fair to at least assume that it might be confusing to Diddy so that I get that. I do get that.

[Amy]

I had a legal question I was about to ask, and I then I said, you know what? We're going to go down a rabbit hole. And neither one of us has the actual answer.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yes, but that is true.

[Amy]

Again, it's always important, always trying to find a powerful moment. But these were the words Agnifillo chose to be the final ones.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yeah. And I think they were powerful. Here is what Mark Agnillo, in his final attempt to sway the jury to find Diddy innocent, he said this. You should feel bold, you should feel the courage that you will need to call this as you see it. And I am asking you to summon that courage and to do what needs to be done and to do the right thing. He sits there innocent. Return him to his family who have been waiting for him.

[Amy]

Wow, that line. Almost trying to embolden them. It seems like you have the power to. Again, there seems to be a lot of calling on people's common sense.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yes.

[Amy]

Call it as you see it. Don't be afraid to call it as you see it. That's. I don't know. He. He's a good communicator, whoever this guy.

[Cindy Crawford]

Is, he was excellent. And yes, that was a very powerful final statement to the jury. And then Maureen Comey came up for the prosecution to be. To conduct the rebuttal. And it was interesting because there was a big difference from what we have heard or at least read from the courtroom reporters. Maureen Comey came off a little bit more boisterous, maybe even a little sarcastic. She was. Had a tone that didn't match necessarily Agnifolo, but at least represented a little bit of what he was doing. The showboating, the theatrics in the courtroom. And she went after his inexcusable behavior. She said. But she said again and repeated this. And we heard this throughout the trial. We. With Diddy, no was never an option. But I appreciated when she said about escorts not being paid for sex, but instead being paid for what? Their time.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Cindy Crawford]

And their experience.

[Amy]

Companionship.

[Cindy Crawford]

She said, this is companionship. This was probably one of my favorite lines I heard from prosecutors in the last two days. She said that notion, that theory doesn't even pass the laugh test. Common sense tells you that he did not pay them for Their scintillating conversation.

[Amy]

That landed Common Sense was more of a theme for the rebuttal than it was for the main closing. There was a lot of going through legal this and statutes and matching up with this count and that count. There was a lot of. This Maureen comedy was a lot of. Come on, man.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Give me a break, man. Are you kidding me, man? That was a lot of that in her.

[Cindy Crawford]

But Agnifillo was doing that as well. Prosecution. Right. Starts. So she kind of took on that same tone and she got a little. This is where she kind of got sarcastic. You. You were not sure. This one landed as well when they were trying to make the argument that Diddy was not bringing a gun to go confront Kid Cudi, that Diddy was more of a hands and fist guy. He would never bring a weapon to an argument. That's not how he rolled. And she took that and turned it around a bit.

[Amy]

Yeah. And I. She says Agniflo said Sean Combs was a hand and fist guy. Sure. With his girlfriends. It almost sounds like it supposed to be a bad bump at the end, like it was just kind of a. Taking a shot at him. And I. I don't know how effective some of that stuff is. It just looked like it was trying.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yeah. And so it was interesting because obviously the defense, in its final arguments, was really trying to bring home the fact that you. Yes. Sean Diddy Combs domestically abused his girlfriends. And they weren't shy about admitting that and then pointing out very specifically that he's not been charged with that. So that's not the issue. But then Maureen Comey tried to take that, and she told jurors, being a domestic abuser is not a defense to sex trafficking. What did you think about that statement?

[Amy]

Well, it's the one that it. That might be at the heart of the case, because the defense is saying the exact opposite, that just because you are a. An abuser, it doesn't mean you're a sex trafficker.

[Cindy Crawford]

Right.

[Amy]

And just because the person you're abusing is also involved in your sex fantasies, it doesn't mean you are a sex trafficker. So, yeah, that statement is at the heart of what these two are going after and what this jury is going to have to start deciding starting on Monday.

[Cindy Crawford]

Yeah. And Maureen Comey really wanted to bring this home to the jurors as well. She said the defense, the entire trial and specifically definitely during these closing arguments, tried to blame Diddy's alleged victims and the government with his own choices. And so she was like stop blaming the prosecution for going after Diddy or blaming Cassie or Jane for going after Diddy. He has to be responsible for his choices and she really wanted to bring that home. She said that Cassie and Jane weren't women out for vengeance. They weren't women who were out for money. Yes, Cassie was paid. Yes, Jane has been staying in an apartment paid for by Diddy. But she said they had no other reason to be at this trial except for standing up for what is right. And so with that, the testimony, the closing arguments, it's all done. And so we have to wait until Monday to see what happens next. But thank you for listening to us throughout this entire trial talking about the testimony and listening to our thoughts on what was going on in that lower Manhattan courtroom. We'll continue to follow all of the proceedings. We hope you have a wonderful weekend.

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[Cindy Crawford]

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