The Diddy Trial: Sentencing Day!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial

Episode: The Diddy Trial: Sentencing Day!

Release Date: July 8, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial, hosted by iHeartPodcasts, veteran journalists Amy Robach and TJ Holmes provide an in-depth analysis of the latest developments in the high-profile trial of Sean "Diddy" Combs. Joined by Aubrey O’Day, a former protege of Diddy, the trio delves into the nuances of the case that has gripped national attention.

Overview of the Recent Court Hearing

The episode centers around a significant court hearing that took place on July 8, 2025, concerning Diddy's sentencing. Initially expected to be a pivotal moment with potential dramatic shifts in the trial's trajectory, the hearing concluded abruptly, lasting only two minutes without substantial updates.

• Amy Robach [02:41]: "Hey there folks. It is Tuesday July 8th... today he had another very important court hearing in his case. It lasted all of two minutes, but we got some very important information out of it."

• TJ Holmes [03:13]: "Yes, it was actually very confusing to a lot of folks... trying to hear what was happening for a scheduled sentencing. Like a pre sentencing hearing, I guess, is what it was called."

Defense and Prosecution Strategies

Robach and Holmes discuss the anticipated move by the defense to expedite the sentencing date from October 3rd to September 22nd. However, both parties submitted a joint letter to maintain the original date, leaving the courtroom without the expected substantial dialogue.

• TJ Holmes [05:09]: "That's what's confusing. So last week we heard from Mark Agnifullo telling the judge that Diddy was actually experiencing exceptional circumstances..."

• Amy Robach [05:52]: "I'm not sure if that ever works. Does that, I mean, if they're young."

The defense initially sought an expedited sentencing to secure bail for Diddy, citing personal hardships, including the death of his romantic partner and the emotional impact on his twin daughters. However, the sudden reversal to maintain the original sentencing date raised questions about the underlying motivations and legal strategies.

Judge’s Comments and Implications

A critical point of discussion revolves around the judge's perception of Diddy's character and the implications for sentencing. The judge explicitly stated that Diddy poses a threat to the community, influenced by evidence of his violent behavior even while under investigation.

• Amy Robach [08:18]: "But he's not getting out of jail anytime soon... he is going to be sentenced. I think there's a consensus from all the experts and everything we've been reading, he is going to spend and maybe even some significant time in prison."

• TJ Holmes [09:45]: "He mentioned the fact that he does have enough power and wealth and means to flee... but he also did specifically point out... that he was violent even by his own admission..."

The judge's remarks emphasize the inability to monitor or control Diddy’s violent tendencies through standard legal conditions, leading to a firm stance against granting bail.

The Mann Act and Its Historical Context

A substantial portion of the episode delves into the legal framework underpinning Diddy's conviction—the Mann Act. Robach and Holmes explore the act's origins, its racially charged history, and its modern-day applications and controversies.

• TJ Holmes [23:19]: "The transportation to engage in prostitution... is a part of the Mann Act which was enacted back in 1910 and it was originally known as the white Slave Traffic Act."

• Amy Robach [24:35]: "And who gets to decide what an immoral purpose?"

The hosts highlight the Mann Act's original intent to target interracial relationships, as evidenced by the 1913 conviction of boxer Jack Johnson. They discuss how the act has been selectively enforced, often targeting successful black individuals, thereby embedding racial biases within its application.

• TJ Holmes [25:34]: "The white Slave Traffic Act. It criminalizes transporting individuals across state line for... prostitution... originally it was immoral purpose."

• Amy Robach [25:34]: "One of their arguments is that this case was being brought against one of the most successful black entrepreneurs we have ever seen in this country. And they thought it was... they're going after him for some kind of racial prosecution."

Possible Sentences and Implications

Robach and Holmes analyze the potential sentencing outcomes based on current legal standards and the judge's indications.

• TJ Holmes [22:02]: "21 to 21 to 27 months is what the defense appears to be asking for. And it looks like the prosecution is hoping anywhere from four to five years behind bars."

• Amy Robach [22:26]: "It's possible if the judge goes the low end in what the defense is asking, he'd be out within a year of the sentencing date... but the high end, though... four years."

The discussion underscores the significant variance in sentencing proposals, with the defense advocating for a minimal sentence and the prosecution pushing for a longer duration. The judge's current stance suggests a likelihood of a harsher sentence, potentially influenced by perceptions of Diddy's character and past behavior.

Concluding Thoughts

The episode concludes with Robach and Holmes reflecting on the complexities of the case, the historical context of the Mann Act, and the broader societal implications of Diddy's trial. They emphasize the importance of observing how the judge will ultimately weigh the legal arguments against the personal behaviors exhibited by the defendant.

• Amy Robach [23:19]: "This is an incredibly controversial century old law that's been on the books and part of its history is steeped in racism."

• TJ Holmes [26:19]: "President Trump posthumously pardoned him [Jack Johnson] in 2018 for that crime."

The hosts express anticipation for the upcoming sentencing hearing on October 3rd, suggesting that the decision will have lasting impacts on legal precedents and societal perceptions of justice and race.

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Notable Quotes:

• Amy Robach [08:18]: "He thinks he's such a threat to the community... he was violent even by his own admission."

• TJ Holmes [15:14]: "It read arrogant... and manipulative. Did it really?"

• Amy Robach [23:05]: "He is going to be deciding judgment on how long Diddy should spend in prison after being convicted on a law that many people say is racist..."

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This comprehensive discussion offers listeners a thorough understanding of the multifaceted dimensions of the Diddy trial, blending legal analysis with historical insights and personal perspectives from those closely connected to the case.

Transcript

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[Amy Robach]

Hey there folks. It is Tuesday July 8th. Yes, Diddy heard the verdicts last week, but today he had another very important court hearing in his case. It lasted all of two minutes, but we got some very important information out of it. And we found out that Diddy has changed his mind with that. Welcome to this Diddy Update episode of Amy and TJ Robes. We're anticipating one thing from the defense team and we got something else today.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes, it was actually very confusing to a lot of folks, some journalists, and everyone was huddled around even in some listening rooms, trying to hear what was happening for a scheduled sentencing. Like a pre sentencing hearing, I guess, is what it was called.

[Amy Robach]

They call it a conference, a virtual conference. It was supposed to be for them to discuss. Yes. When we can actually. Sentences.

[TJ Holmes]

Correct. So here's what we were anticipating. It had been said that the defense and the prosecution had actually agreed to, I guess, hasten the sentencing hearing from October 3rd to September 22nd. So everyone was expecting defense attorneys and federal prosecutors to submit this September 22nd sentencing date to the judge. But just before the hearing, attorneys for both sides then sent another letter, joint letter to the judge saying, never mind, we'll just go ahead and keep the October 3rd, the original sentencing date done. And then they were asked, would you like to talk about anything else? Is there anything else to discuss? Most folks were expecting other business to be talked about. And they both said, nah, we're good.

[Amy Robach]

Essentially a phone call. They say Diddy was on the call, but it went just a couple of minutes now. Surprising here, Robes, because as soon, I mean, as you know what we just reported this Mark Agnillo, when he kind of had an epiphany the day before the verdicts were read, he realized, you know what, he's been found not guilty on these other counts. He's guilty on the prostitution. So let's get a bail request ready. As soon as they heard the verdicts, they were like, hey, we want to get this guy out of jail. The judge said, no. They were immediately, hey, we want to get the sentencing done as quickly as possible. They were so quick to be on top of that. And today a total turnaround.

[TJ Holmes]

That's what's confusing. So last week we heard from Mark Agnifullo telling the judge that Diddy was actually experiencing exceptional circumstances. They actually cited that specific claim because they said if they he had to wait until October 3rd, it was a problem because they brought up the fact that Combs romantic partner Kim Porter died back in 2018. And so that his twin daughters, who were sitting behind him in the second row throughout most of the trial. They're 18 years old, but they have been without a parent for some time now. And so that was part of the reasoning. We heard Diddy's defense attorney say, hey, we need an expedited sentencing date.

[Amy Robach]

I'm not sure if that ever works. Does that, I mean, if they're young.

[TJ Holmes]

Children, that's one thing, but they're adults, technically, by law.

[Amy Robach]

I mean, they brought it up as if they thought it might make a difference. I mean, they know what they're doing. Or was that just a.

[TJ Holmes]

Maybe it was an emotional reaction. Maybe. But the also other thing that I was kind of confused by, so if the judge is ultimately going to decide whether or not he serves what they're asking for, about two years behind bars, bars versus what the prosecution is hoping for, which is five years behind bars, how moving up the sentencing date changes when he gets out of prison because at the end of the day, he's getting credit for time served. So that was also maybe just him having peace of mind, knowing how much longer he has. Maybe that has a mental health benefit to him, to his daughters, just to know sooner rather than later how long he's going to be spending behind bars.

[Amy Robach]

But he's not getting out of jail anytime soon. Now, what we're talking about, he's going to be sentenced. I think there's a consensus from all the experts and everything we've been reading, he is going to spend and maybe even some significant time in prison. So even if they let him out on bail now, he's going to end up going right back in. So it's not a matter of the girls are about to get their dad back in the long term anytime soon. He is going to. He is staying in prison, and it's just a matter of how long that's going to be. But to your point, Robes, it seemed almost, I don't know if it was a gut reaction, immediate reaction, and not a well thought, thought out reaction to the judge at the time last week. And then now they realize, okay, it doesn't matter to rush it. We might as well take our time and get it right, because this is now the ultimate decision. Convictions were one thing and the verdicts were one thing. But now this is the most important thing to try to get right, to convince the judge to not go on the high end, Right?

[TJ Holmes]

But so to that point, it's very interesting because Combs does face technically a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, 10 years for each of his conspiracy. What was it, transportation for Prostitution, he could face a maximum of 20 years behind bars. And initially the prosecution said that's what they were going to go for. Now it appears they're saying, okay, maybe five years would be enough. And again, the defense wants two years, but it's been made very clear the judge can do whatever he wants. He doesn't have to abide by whatever.

[Amy Robach]

Guidelines they keep talking about.

[TJ Holmes]

Correct.

[Amy Robach]

Do whatever he wants as long the only thing he can't do is go over 10 years for each count.

[TJ Holmes]

Correct.

[Amy Robach]

Because the only thing, that's his only requirement. So the thing is, now the judge has indicated. He has indicated by not allowing him out on bail after the verdicts, he has indicated that he feels that Sean Diddy Combs is still a threat to the community in some way. He said it flat out from the bench. And his move to not allow him to go home in the meantime, he won't even let him go home for a couple of months until the sentencing.

[TJ Holmes]

Right.

[Amy Robach]

Because he thinks he's such a threat to the community.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, he, I mean, he mentioned the fact that he does have enough power and wealth and means to flee, even though he would surrender for his passport. Still, when people have private jets and all sorts of other access that most of us don't know anything about, that is one thing. But he also did specifically point out to the fact. Point out the fact, excuse me, that he was violent even by his own admission, after he knew he was under investigation with Jane. So Jane testified to it, he admitted it, and others also testified to witnessing it, that even when he knew federal investigators were on him for all of this alleged abuse, he still continued to abuse his then girlfriend. That was enough for him to say, hey, this is a guy who, even when he knows he might be watched, even when he knows he might be monitored, he's still committing violent acts. So, no, you cannot be out on bail.

[Amy Robach]

So the judge and the prosecutors are asking the judge to consider that and to consider conduct he was acquitted for. Right. It doesn't matter. Like whatever technicality on racketeering, it didn't follow the exact law and the jury didn't go along with it. Okay, fine. We still saw the video of him beating somebody. We still heard all the stories that we actually believed. So when you put all that together, it is a. I mean, he comes off as a scary dude that if unleashed back into society, could still be a menace of some kind of. I'm looking for the line. Help me here, robes. There was a, There was a line the judge used about his propensity for violence behind closed doors. You remember, oh, here it is. Quote, this type of violence which happens behind closed doors in personal relationships sparked by unpredictable bouts of anger is impossible to police with conditions like, there's nothing I can say. And say stay at home, a 24 hour monitoring. There's nothing he could say that the judge said would make him feel comfortable about putting this guy back on the street.

[TJ Holmes]

That's wild and that is telling and will be very interesting to hear how then he is going to rule on sentencing. He's got some time obviously between now and then. Now it looks like October 3rd, but one of the big stipulations that happens during this time is there's an investigation of sorts. I mean actually an investigation, a sentencing investigation. And federal prosecutors were adamant that that should not be eliminated. They shouldn't go straight to sentencing. They should actually have the time to let it run its proper course, which involves a pre sentence report from probation officials, which includes an interview with Diddy. And federal prosecutors want that to happen. So that interview, then the judge would be privy to, to read all of those transcripts. And that's an important part of the process to determine whether or not or how long someone should stay behind bars.

[Amy Robach]

And at this point, robes I have now, right, he had the victory and it was a big. And it was. That's not in all circles. He was facing life. He could possibly be getting a couple of years.

[TJ Holmes]

That's a win less than five.

[Amy Robach]

And we get it. That is a win for him. However, now I'm hearing so many legal experts, the folks out there who are doing all the analysis of this are talking more and more about the judge using his discretion and using some of the things he wasn't convicted for against him to still use his like almost this common sense test of this is a bad dude. And giving him just two years after all this shit we just heard wouldn't be just.

[TJ Holmes]

I can't help but think about how the judge truly felt. It may have seemed small, but it stood out. And I think a judge especially knows when someone's trying to sweet talk him or smooth talk him. Especially someone who's known to be charismatic and had the ability somehow to have a lot of women doing whatever he wanted them to do despite his violent behavior. So someone who is charismatic and possibly manipulative. How the judge felt when Diddy took the moment to tell him, to tell the judge, thank you and I think you're doing a really good job. I wonder how much impact if that had. And I would Think he would have done something negative, not something positive, because the judge, obviously is a smart man, and I wonder how much that made him feel like, is this dude somebody I really want to go easy on, somebody I want to be fair, or someone who I want to teach a lesson to? I don't know if that. I just can't help but feel like that could have had a negative impact.

[Amy Robach]

They call them judges for a reason. They are judging folks. They are referees to make sure each side gets to play fairly, but they are in judgment of the person sitting there and how the proceeding is supposed to go.

[TJ Holmes]

Right.

[Amy Robach]

His judgment about Diddy is everything right now. That moment went one of, what, three ways. It had a positive impact, a negative impact, or absolutely none. It could have just rolled off.

[TJ Holmes]

It could have.

[Amy Robach]

He could have been dismissive. He might have seen that and said, you jerk. You look, you ass. Or is there any chance. I think it's least likely that he was impressed by it in some way?

[TJ Holmes]

Like, oh, it's hard. That's hard to imagine. Oh, my God.

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He.

[TJ Holmes]

He thinks I'm doing a good job. Wow, that's so cool. But I did like you and I have covered plenty of trials. Have you ever. Ever seen a defendant have the confidence. Let's just say that. Or perhaps the hubris to do that. To do that.

[Amy Robach]

I've seen some arrogant defendants, but not. Not so to do that in court.

[TJ Holmes]

I want to let you know what a good job you've been doing. You're welcome.

[Amy Robach]

We had to read all we had. All our. All we could do was read it. All we could do is read. So who knows how it actually came across? It could have been authentic. It could have been sweet. It could have been nice. It could have been awkward. We don't exactly know. All we were able to do was actually read it based on what was coming out of the courtroom. So this.

[TJ Holmes]

It read arrogant.

[Amy Robach]

Say what?

[TJ Holmes]

It read arrogant did it to you. And manipulative. Did it really?

[Amy Robach]

Yes.

[TJ Holmes]

It read both of those things to me, 100%. Who does that? And what judge actually is swayed by that?

[Amy Robach]

I think that. I just think he's smart enough to know this smart guy is not going to be swayed. I mean, just saying. Thank you, judge.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Amy Robach]

Oh, man. This is the moment that's standing out.

[TJ Holmes]

My mom always told me everyone's favorite subject is themselves. So if you know that. If he took that. Yeah. Flattery will get you everywhere. Right?

[Amy Robach]

It actually will.

[TJ Holmes]

So who knows? I don't know. It'd be interesting. I'm very fascinated to see what this judge decides he's got time to go through. It will obviously he'll have the interview with Diddy. I wonder how that will go.

[Amy Robach]

And here's the thing folks. He is going to be deciding judgment on how long Diddy should spend in prison after being convicted on a law that many people say is racist, shouldn't be on the books and Diddy shouldn't have been charged with in the first place. The man act. Do you know what that is?

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[TJ Holmes]

Welcome back, everyone, to this Tuesday Diddy trial edition. Because we had a hearing that turned out to be basically just a two minute quick. Hey, never mind, Judge. You know when you said you wanted that sentencing hearing to be on October 3rd. Yeah. Cool. That's. That's what we both want now, anyway. Yeah. So that's what Happened today. The big ooh. What's the defense going to argue? What's the judge going to say?

[Amy Robach]

Nothing.

[TJ Holmes]

Nothing.

[Amy Robach]

The least dramatic day of all the days.

[TJ Holmes]

Absolutely.

[Amy Robach]

Of the Diddy trial. And this is when we were anticipating, like, something dramatic. Oh, what are they gonna do? Nothing.

[TJ Holmes]

Nothing.

[Amy Robach]

Nothing today. And that's okay. We've had a lot of dramatic days in this. In this case, we. We could take a break. But still, we learned a lot, and that's why we're hopping on. So at least give the update because it is relevant, it is significant, it is meaningful that they have decided now, say, never mind, we don't want to push this thing, rush this thing. Maybe they're just being a little more deliberate. But they know he's going to be spending significant time in jail. Probably.

[TJ Holmes]

Yes. At least two years. That would be the defense's hope. So another year behind bars.

[Amy Robach]

You had the numbers off the top of your head.

[TJ Holmes]

21 to 21 to 27 months is what the defense appears to be asking for. And it looks like the prosecution is hoping anywhere from four to five years behind bars. So he's already served 10 months. By the time we get to this sentencing hearing, it will actually be a little bit over a year. So subtract a year and a month, basically 13 months from whatever the sentence is, and that is how long he will be behind bars.

[Amy Robach]

Sweet spirit. It's possible if the judge goes the low end in what the defense is asking, he'd be out within a year of the sentencing date.

[TJ Holmes]

That would be best case scenario.

[Amy Robach]

Within a year?

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amy Robach]

We're talking about summer of 2026. Didn't be getting out of jail. The high end, though. Five years from the prosecution, so four years.

[TJ Holmes]

So 2029. Somewhere around there.

[Amy Robach]

And then you have to consider the judge can do what he wants. And he has given some indication that he does not like this guy's propensity for violence behind closed doors. He has given signals that he could, he could go high on the high end or even higher are some of the signals he's given.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, he certainly has. And so it's anyone's guess what the judge is going to do, you know, and I think maybe that could have played into the reasoning behind the defense. You're saying, hey, you know what, judge, what you wanted, let's just do what you wanted. Let's do this on your timeline. We're cool.

[Amy Robach]

We need a minute to figure out. Right. Convictions now on something you keep hearing, transportation to engage in prostitution. Those were the two counts he was convicted of maximum of 10 years in prison for each count. But it's based on something called the Man Act. You keep hearing that. The Man Act. The Man Act. The man act and robes. This is a. An incredibly controversial century old law that's been on the books and part of its history is steeped in racism.

[TJ Holmes]

It certainly is. And I didn't realize this, but when you start looking at so these, the, the transportation to engage in prostitution. Those two counts that he was convicted of are a part of the man act which was enacted back in 1910 and it was originally known as the white Slave Traffic Act.

[Amy Robach]

Say it one more time.

[TJ Holmes]

The white Slave Traffic Act. It criminalizes transporting individuals across state line for. And here's the catch. Prostitution. But it originally said prostitution or debauchery or for any other immoral purpose.

[Amy Robach]

And who gets to decide what an immoral purpose?

[TJ Holmes]

Correct.

[Amy Robach]

And a black man sleeping with a white woman.

[TJ Holmes]

Correct. And so there was a very high profile case against black champion heavyweight boxer.

[Amy Robach]

Jack Johnson, first ever black heavyweight champ.

[TJ Holmes]

Not just any guy here back in 1913. So guess what? He had a white girlfriend. And guess what? Black champion heavyweight boxer Jack Johnson took his girlfriend across state lines. And so that is why and how he was convicted in this Mann act, which obviously is steeped in racism. So they were. This act allowed prosecutors to bring charges against people who had unlawful, premarital, unlawful, extramarital, unlawful at that point, interracial relations. So they were able to take this act and apply it in very gray areas for this whole immoral purpose.

[Amy Robach]

So it was. One of their arguments is that this case was being brought against one of the most successful black entrepreneurs we have ever seen in this country. And they thought it was. They're going after him for some kind of racial prosecution. Yep. The judge actually was pissed and shot that down in court. Anytime there was a suggestion that this was about race or they brought it about race. But that plays for the public. It does plays for a jury.

[TJ Holmes]

Now it also we should point out this Mann act was used against R B singer R. Kelly. It was used against Ghislaine Maxwell in the whole. Jeffrey Epstein, the longtime confident of Jeffrey Epstein. But still there is no denying that that specific act absolutely, absolutely is steeped in racist.

[Amy Robach]

I'm sorry to put you on the spot here. I'm so, so sorry. But I think you're going to know it. What is it about? They changed some language and took out some component that made it vague. Right. They updated the language of the law at some point to make sure. It wasn't so vague and it could be used against interracial couples.

[TJ Holmes]

So this is what I can see right now. So the, the law was meant to punish common sex work, but it was removed from the act by an Amendment in the 80s about the immoral purpose, because that was fake. So when they used a moral purpose, that's when they could say, oh, a black man and a white woman, that's immoral.

[Amy Robach]

That wasn't what, the 80s.

[TJ Holmes]

Well, in the. It took until the 80s before that amendment was dropped. Babe. When I first was a reporter in Charleston, Carolina, in 1995, it was on the books. It was illegal. If you and I had met and fallen in Love in 1995 at our first job, whatever, you would have been younger than me. Don't point it out, but we would not have been able to legally, technically be married in the state of South Carolina.

[Amy Robach]

That was in what year?

[TJ Holmes]

1995. The Confederate flag was flying at top the state House in Columbia, South Carolina. And technically, legally, it was on the books that white and black folks could not marry.

[Amy Robach]

Damn.

[TJ Holmes]

How crazy is that?

[Amy Robach]

2022, when we first started dating. Sorry, everybody's joking.

[TJ Holmes]

But also wanted to point out, this is interesting, I didn't realize this. So we mentioned, of course. What this whole man act, that it went against Jack Johnson back in 1913. I didn't know this, but President Trump posthumously pardoned him.

[Amy Robach]

Boom.

[TJ Holmes]

In 2018.

[Amy Robach]

Boom.

[TJ Holmes]

For that crime. He was convicted under the man act for taking his girlfriend across the state line.

[Amy Robach]

So wait, you're telling me that the current president has actually already pardoned a famous black man who was convicted under the Man Act?

[TJ Holmes]

I am saying. I am saying that very thing.

[Amy Robach]

He's done this before.

[TJ Holmes]

Is what you're doing.

[Amy Robach]

You never know.

[TJ Holmes]

You never know what you're telling me. I am telling you that.

[Amy Robach]

Okay. And that's how we're going to leave it today, folks. I've been saying this. All right, let's just wait for it. And with that, folks, we're going to keep hopping on. When we do get some DD updates and they do trickle in, the next one we anticipate, right. A couple of briefings are going to be filed with some updates. And yes, the prosecution is expected maybe even to up their ask for how many years they want Diddy's to spend behind bars. But when we do get the updates, we'll continue to hop on here for you and we appreciate you all continuing to listen. We continue to do these because we do know that you are listening and we appreciate you coming to us.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, I'm Amy Robach and on behalf of my partner, TJ Holmes, have a wonderful Tuesday, everybody.

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