The Diddy Trial: The Defense Calls….

Summary

Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial Episode: The Diddy Trial: The Defense Calls…. Release Date: June 23, 2025 Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In this episode of Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial, hosts Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes delve into the pivotal moments of the high-profile trial of Shaquille "Diddy" Combs. Joined by former protegee Aubrey O’Day, the trio offers in-depth analysis, insights, and updates on the proceedings that have engrossed the nation.

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Overview of the Trial's Status

[02:50] Co-Host:
"Hey there, folks. It is Monday, June 23rd. This is the 7th and now we're told, the final week of testimony in the Diddy trial."

The hosts announce that the trial is entering its final week of testimony, highlighting the significance of the unfolding legal battle.

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Defense Strategy: Not Calling Witnesses

[03:16] Host:
"The defense calls no one."

This bold move by Diddy's legal team surprises many, as it deviates from typical defense strategies that involve presenting witnesses to bolster their case.

[03:54] Co-Host:
"I'm still blown away by what they're saying they're going to do... The defense says they will then be done tomorrow. They're not even taking a full day to defend Diddy. That blows my mind."

The hosts express astonishment at the defense's decision to refrain from calling any witnesses, interpreting it as a sign of confidence in their case.

[04:19] Host:
"It's bold. It's really bold. It's super confident... The fact that they're not calling anyone actually could be a brilliant move in terms of what the jury was expecting."

Amy Robach elaborates on the potential psychological impact of this strategy, suggesting it might influence the jury's perception by implying the defense has a solid case without further evidence.

[05:37] Co-Host:
"The best lawyers with names like Garagos and Shapiro... They know what they're doing, so they're making the right, the best."

Acknowledging the expertise of Diddy's legal team, T.J. Holmes underscores the likelihood that this strategy is calculated and effective.

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Reactions and Analysis

[05:37] Host:
"They have the best lawyers... They are making the right, the best."

[06:07] Host:
"They did spend days cross-examining the star witnesses, Cassie Ventura and Jane... It may be that they don't even have a witness to call to refute any of the claims."

The hosts analyze the defense's actions, noting the intensive cross-examination of prosecution witnesses as a method to weaken the case against Diddy.

[07:21] Co-Host:
"Do moments matter? Do moments stand out for a jury that could possibly sway them one way or another?"

T.J. Holmes questions the impact of key moments during the trial, pondering whether specific events or testimonies could influence the jury's decision.

[07:55] Host:
"Moments absolutely matter. The Perry Mason moment was pivotal... This is, you know what?"

Amy Robach concurs, highlighting crucial moments where defense evidence contradicted prosecution testimonies, thereby sowing doubt among jurors.

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Charges Against Diddy

[10:27] Host:
"So he paid for these folks to participate in these freak offs around the country... If they went there willingly... Any seed of doubt about any of that throws the prosecution's argument out the window."

The discussion shifts to the specific charges against Diddy, emphasizing how evidence suggesting voluntary participation by the alleged victims undermines the prosecution's case of coercion and trafficking.

[10:23] Co-Host:
"What is the charge again?... To remind? I have the note in here."

[10:31] Host:
"He's pleaded not guilty to racketeering conspiracy."

[10:37] Co-Host:
"Two counts of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion."

[11:29] Co-Host:
"Now one of those do carry a 15 year minimum."

[12:34] Dr. Patrick McGrath:
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The hosts outline the severe charges facing Diddy, including racketeering, sex trafficking by force, fraud, and coercion, along with potential penalties.

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Jury Deliberation Process

[18:36] Co-Host:
"They have a conference on Wednesday... jury instructions."

[19:20] Co-Host:
"... the defense, all the attorneys have no more say. Nobody can do anything. It's over."

The conversation delves into the intricacies of jury instructions and the deliberation process, explaining how meticulous and time-consuming it is to ensure jurors understand their responsibilities and the burden of proof.

[19:41] Host:
"No, I have not."

[21:22] Co-Host:
"... how they could start deliberating and something happens with a juror."

Discussions include the role of alternate jurors and the potential for disruptions during deliberations, emphasizing the complexity and high stakes of the trial.

[22:07] Co-Host:
"... the prosecution in criminal cases and the plaintiff in civil cases. They get the opportunity for a closing argument or a rebuttal after the opposing side has presented its case."

Clarification is provided on the procedural aspects, such as which side presents closing arguments last, highlighting procedural fairness.

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Possible Outcomes

[24:22] Host:
"... perhaps they knew more than we did or they believed something that we didn't realize... It will be fascinating."

[25:06] Co-Host:
"Remember, he has been in prison since last September."

[25:11] Host:
"... he could potentially either walk out of there in the next week, you could even argue, or he's going to find out he's going to prison for a long, long time."

The hosts speculate on potential verdicts, from acquittal to conviction on various charges, and the implications each outcome would have on Diddy's future.

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Conclusion

As the trial approaches its climax with closing arguments and impending deliberations, Amy Robach, T.J. Holmes, and Aubrey O’Day provide a comprehensive and nuanced examination of the defense's strategy, the weight of the charges, and the critical moments that could sway the jury's decision. The episode underscores the high stakes involved and the meticulous nature of the judicial process, leaving listeners poised for the trial's impending resolution.

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Notable Quotes

• Host (Amy Robach) [04:19]:
  "It's bold. It's really bold. It's super confident... The fact that they're not calling anyone actually could be a brilliant move in terms of what the jury was expecting."

• Co-Host (T.J. Holmes) [05:37]:
  "The best lawyers with names like Garagos and Shapiro... They know what they're doing, so they're making the right, the best."

• Host (Amy Robach) [07:55]:
  "Moments absolutely matter. The Perry Mason moment was pivotal... This is, you know what?"

• Host (Amy Robach) [12:34]:
  "He paid for these folks to participate in these freak offs around the country... If they went there willingly... Any seed of doubt about any of that throws the prosecution's argument out the window."

• Co-Host (T.J. Holmes) [19:20]:
  "... the prosecution in criminal cases and the plaintiff in civil cases. They get the opportunity for a closing argument or a rebuttal after the opposing side has presented its case."

• Host (Amy Robach) [25:11]:
  "... he could potentially either walk out of there in the next week, you could even argue, or he's going to find out he's going to prison for a long, long time."

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Final Thoughts

This episode provides listeners with a thorough breakdown of the Diddy trial's final week, emphasizing the defense's unconventional approach and its potential ramifications. By dissecting legal strategies, jury dynamics, and the gravity of the charges, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes, along with Aubrey O’Day, equip their audience with a deeper understanding of one of the most talked-about trials of the year.

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Hey there, folks. It is Monday, June 23rd. This is the 7th and now we're told, the final week of testimony in the Diddy trial. Welcome to this Diddy update episode of Amy and tj. We've been keeping you updated throughout. It doesn't seem like robes now. We have much longer to go. We got a better idea of the timeline of this trial. And your honor, the defense calls no one.

[Host]

Right. Exactly. So that was the breaking news this morning. We were all waiting in anticipation for who the defense might call to the witness stand and how long they might go. We had heard it could take one or two days, so we didn't figure there'd be many people who would be testifying. But it turns out no one is going to be testifying yet. The defense has said it will not call any witnesses to the stand. And that means you. One can assume or presume that they believe they have made their case. They have made their defense of Sha Diddy Combs in their cross examinations of the prosecution's witnesses.

[Co-Host]

I'm still blown away by what they're saying they're going to do. So this, the witness is on the stand for the prosecution, their final one, this Homeland Security agent, He is going to be up there until the end of the day, and they expect him to go ropes into tomorrow. The defense says they will then be done tomorrow. They're not even taking a full day to defend Diddy. That blows my mind.

[Host]

It's bold. It's really bold. It's super confident. And I can see how perhaps that would send a message to the jury because everyone expects someone at least to have one witness or a few witnesses to testify in your defense. The fact that they're not calling anyone actually could be a brilliant move in terms of what the jury was expecting, because they're thinking, well, hell, if they don't need to call anyone, they must have proven their case. I mean, I can see how that would create a certain mindset in a jury because it is not. I mean, it happens. It's not unprecedented by any means. I mean, this. This is something that happens quite often. But in a case this big, with the stakes so high, I mean, we all remember Diddy is facing life in prison. This is not a couple years. This isn't just a few offenses. This is serious, significant stuff where his life is on the line. So to not call any witnesses is bold. And I, you know, it could be brilliant. We'll only know after the jury renders its verdict.

[Co-Host]

Bold, brilliant. It could be the exact right move. Look, we are. We've watched a bunch of trials, but we are not legal experts at all. These folks know what they're doing is what I generally find. And if somebody like Diddy, who has his resources, he is, he has the.

[Host]

Best lawyers with names like Garagos and Shapiro, his.

[Co-Host]

I mean, history makers in this country in a lot of legal and celebrity cases, they know what they're doing, so they're making the right, the best. And you better sure believe Diddy signs off on this defense and how this is going. But they said they're going to present a defense of just a few items of evidence and exhibits. I don't know how earth shattering those could be, but that's their defense. Here you go. Here's our homework. And that's it.

[Host]

Yeah, I mean, they did spend days cross examining the star witnesses, Cassie Ventura and Jane. So certainly they did, you could say, spend. They spent days with presenting their case through the cross examination of the prosecution's witness. And it may be that they don't even have a witness to call to refute any of the claims. And the people who know, the people who were there to testify were the people that the prosecution already called. So who else would they bring on the stand? I mean, people had wondered if KK would be coming up, if one of his bodyguards would be coming up. But many of them might feel like, who knows the reasoning behind it? But they made the choice not to bring anyone up to refute anything. They feel like they did their job in showing. And frankly, they did discredit quite a bit of what Jane had to say, or even Cassie. When you. At least it brings a question in the juror's mind when you hear them say, I didn't want to do it. I was coerced to do it. I had a financial reason why I had to do it. And then you have texts from them saying, I can't wait to be with you. I can't wait to do some freaky stuff with you. It's hard. And that's so. Certainly casts doubt in terms of what the state or. Sorry, I always say the state. In terms of what the feds are trying to prove.

[Co-Host]

Do moments matter? Do moments stand out for a jury that could possibly sway them one way or another? I say moments. It seems like the defense had more than the prosecution. The Perry Mason moment that we will never forget. It seemed like they made more headway sometimes than the prosecution seems to have. Does that matter, you think? If the margins are that slim, you were just talking about the psychology. It might get into their brains. Like, wait, they didn't present any witnesses. So in that same vein, is it possible that moments matter throughout the trial to the jury?

[Host]

Moments absolutely matter. The Perry Mason moment was pivotal. And there were several slightly less perhaps like explosive moments in that, but there were plenty of them. When they had witnesses go back and read texts that were omitted, and the text actually showed a very different vein of motivation for why these women might have participated. It was incredibly damning, I believe, to the prosecution's case when the defense had some of these other texts read, that frankly flew in the face of what we heard in testimony from these women. So it's. This is, you know what? And just the psychology of life. Isn't confidence so powerful? And by not calling any witnesses, that is so confident. That is so confident.

[Co-Host]

How did I forget you? I'm sitting here and I'm like, oh my goodness, I forgot I had this. I reached out to a prosecutor friend of ours.

[Host]

Okay.

[Co-Host]

That's all I'll say. Just because that was my question. Why on guide's earth? I said, please help me understand why the defense in the Diddy trial would not call any witnesses. The response, and I quote, because they think they have won already and they may have.

[Justin Richmond]

Wow.

[Host]

Wow. You know, the prosecution has called 34 witnesses to the stand and the final one is on the stand today trying to connect the dots summarizing these freak offs, going through explicit videos, going through the paid receipts that Diddy has had, purchased plane tickets for some of these women and some of these male escorts to attend these parties. My question is, okay, so he paid for these folks to participate in these freak offs around the country. So crossing state lines. But if they went there willingly, if they weren't coerced, if you can even call into question that they may have wanted to do it at the time and regretted it later. Any seed of doubt about any of that throws the prosecution's argument out the window. Because they need the jury to believe that these women and maybe even these escorts didn't really want to be there and felt they had to.

[Co-Host]

What is the charge again? I have to look at these. How's that? To remind? I have the note in here.

[Host]

I've got it. Okay. Yeah, he's pleaded not guilty to racketeering conspiracy.

[Co-Host]

That's the big one. He could get life for that one.

[Host]

Correct. Two counts of sex trafficking by force.

[Co-Host]

Sex trafficking that's what it is.

[Host]

By force. And the interesting thing about that is in fact what they were going over today and on Friday with this Homeland Security agent, he, he was actually going through the text messages of Cassie and Jane where they at first told kk, his chief of staff, I don't want to go. He's just using me. I don't want to be there. But then after talking to Diddy, they decided to come. They made the choice to come. So I'm just confused how that would be. Force. Two counts of sex trafficking by force, then fraud or coercion. Oh, sorry, I, I skipped it. Two counts of sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion.

[Co-Host]

Now one of those do carry a 15 year minimum.

[Host]

Okay, so force, fraud or coercion. And then he's also facing two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution.

[Co-Host]

And those are only, those are a maximum of 10 years. So I guess that would be the lesser charge if he gets convicted of that. But how is he not for prostitution. To engage in prostitution. So they have evidence that he paid to have a male escort come to New York for a freak off. Is that done deal?

[Host]

That seems like that's a done deal to me. The two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution, just from my non legal mind and what I've witnessed and what I've read, it seems like they kind of nailed that one. They have the receipts, they have the proof, they have the videos. And clearly the male escorts who were engaged in sex that you could clearly see on the videotape were clearly paid. So. And many times, yes, they crossed state lines. So.

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Wait, oh, oh, it was Cowboys for Angels. Cowboys for Angels or Angels for Cowboys?

[Co-Host]

No, you got it right.

[Host]

Cowboys for Angels.

[Co-Host]

Cowboys for Angels. So that company came out in testimony today, the same day that he was such a long term customer that he wanted a discount, that he was upset with them for raising their rates. And they have the communication between him and the Cowboys for Angels agency. His line is stop raising my rate. I am a long timer. They have that from him to Cowboys for Angels.

[Host]

Cowboys for Angels. Technically, I imagine to be a legal business, would have to just say, hey, these are just escorts. These are just people who are there for your pleasure, not for sexual pleasure, but just to be there and to accompany you and wherever you want to go and whatever you want to do. But clearly they're not acknowledging that this is for sex. But clearly we have the videos that show that is in fact what happened.

[Co-Host]

Okay, speaking of the legal part of that, so what if all he was doing was hiring an escort to come to New York, New York and be an escort to escort him or someone else around and lo and behold, sex ended up happening? Is that a legal argument?

[Host]

I think it could be. Geez, now that you just said that, I thought, oh, maybe that is possible because they could say the escort decided after hanging out for a while that just, you know, because he liked everybody, he just, wow, maybe he was horny, maybe he just wanted to have sex. But the, the payment was specifically for companionship, not for sex.

[Co-Host]

That's how they get around it.

[Host]

You know what, possibly I, that just was a light bulb that went off in your head and then. Yes, I concur. That does sound reasonable in terms of a legal explanation to get around the actual charge. I think, look, we're not going to get a witness now for the defense, but we will hear from the defense attorneys and we will hear. We now know closing arguments are scheduled for Thursday. Correct. And so this case, this seven week long case with 34 witnesses and lots of graphic videos and a tremendous amount of jaw dropping testimony is all going to be in the hands of the jury as early as Thursday afternoon, perhaps even again.

[Co-Host]

The. They have a conference on Wednesday. The judge says for the attorneys and judge to go over the jury instructions. I have been a part and seen jury instructions that go half a day.

[Host]

Yeah, that's true.

[Co-Host]

It does, it goes, it takes a while. So.

[Host]

And in this case, probably definitely going to take a very long time. I have you know, we have as much as we can sitting in our apartment monitoring everything. Still, I would need to be redirected and shown what is what and what means this and what's the level of proof. I mean, I. It's mind blowing. You're right. The judge could have instructions for a half a day, and I don't know, the defense and the prosecution, who knows how long they'll take.

[Co-Host]

Yeah, they read, though. Yeah, they make sure they read every single line of the instructions. It's almost a manual you get when you buy a new appliance and he's reading through and you're trying to follow what all this stuff means. Now, I have no, never robes and tell me if you have been a part of jury instructions that were quick.

[Host]

No, I have not.

[Co-Host]

No, it's never a quick process.

[Host]

The jury. The truth is. Well, most of the trials, I would imagine all of the trials I know that I have actually personally witnessed have been for murder. So people's lives are on the line and they want to make sure that all the T's are crossed, all the I's are dotted. They want to make sure the jury knows exactly what they have to do and, and what the burden of proof is. That that is the gray area. What is reasonable doubt.

[Co-Host]

There's gonna be some fighting in between the attorneys about the language that goes. And they always are so, so particular about what types of language, type of language can go into those things. Because after that, the, the, the defense, all the attorneys have no more say. Nobody can do anything. It's over. You can't make any other case once they go into that jury room. So this is their last chance to have some kind of. Of an influence on the jury. The closing arguments, is it who goes first? I can't remember. Is it prosecution, defense, and then prosecution again?

[Host]

I think, See, I think I thought the defense had the last word. I need to look this up.

[Co-Host]

I cannot do this. This is embarrassing.

[Host]

One of us is correct.

[Co-Host]

We should know. Because I used to remember thinking that it wasn't fair that whoever went last got to go last.

[Host]

Of course, that's like everyone would want to go last in this for sure.

[Co-Host]

I thought the prosecution got to go last.

[Host]

I'm looking this up right now. But in terms of the jury, we ended up only losing one juror throughout. We thought at one point we might lose three jurors, but we only ended up losing one juror. And the alternates are still there, but that's kind of moot now, right? Do they get to Participate in the actual jury deliberations or be a part of it if something were to happen.

[Co-Host]

You know what? I actually don't know that. While you're over there Googling stuff, look that up. To do, alternates need to be in the deliberating room, so I guess it's possible they could start deliberating and something happens with a juror. Isn't that possible? Did you get the answer?

[Host]

I got the answer for the court cases. And it's. You're always right. Why do I even try to pretend like I might have something that is correct over you? All right. In court cases, the party with the burden of proof generally gets the last word. This is usually the prosecution in criminal cases and the plaintiff in civil cases. They get the opportunity for a closing argument or a rebuttal after the opposing side has presented its case.

[Co-Host]

And I always thought that was unfair. My life is on the line. I should get the last word. I always. That's why I remember it. I thought that was wild, but yeah. So the prosecution will get the last word before they all get to go in. I am reading something here. I know you. Did you find it already?

[Host]

Yes.

[Co-Host]

Okay, go ahead.

[Host]

About alternate jurors.

[Justin Richmond]

Yes.

[Host]

So there were six alternate jurors. I think we're down to five alternate jurors because the. One of the alternate jurors became actually a member of the jury. So. No. Alternate jurors generally do not participate in jury deliberations unless a regular juror is unable to continue serving. If an alternate juror replaces a regular juror during deliberations, the court will then instruct the jury to begin deliberations anew. So if anything happens during the actual deliberation and some juror has to leave, they can actually appoint an alternate to come step in. But then they have to start all over again. So let's hope that doesn't happen. But I'm so happy we were able to answer our own questions in this podcast. I'm sure everybody was on the edge of their seats waiting for the answer, or they're like, I already know that, dummy.

[Co-Host]

Everybody was waiting on the edge of their seats. I. I only bring it up, and it shouldn't be a big deal, but the jury has been a little weird. Been some. Some wonky stuff going on with this jury at times and some questions. One got kicked off, one was about to get kicked off, another one got sick. It's just been some stuff. One of them was nodding. It did. I know.

[Host]

And a black juror was replaced by a White juror. So, you know, there are all Westchester. From Westchester, from the Bronx to Westchester.

[Co-Host]

It's so. It's so. That's why I just hold my breath when it comes to. To this particular jury. But I just can't believe this is it. When I heard they were only going to. When they said that the prosecution is going to rest on Tuesday. The defense is going to rest on Tuesday.

[Host]

That's wild. Again, bold and possibly brilliant.

[Co-Host]

The best in the business are defending him so they know what they're doing. He's not going to get a better defense than this or better strategy. Turn on a TV somewhere today and you'll have somebody criticizing this is some legal expert doing this and that, some legal analyst. Da, da, da, da. And you know what? When he is found not guilty on something, they'll come back on. And what will be their excuse then?

[Host]

Well, you know, perhaps they knew more than we did or they believed something that we didn't realize. Who knows? But it will be fascinating. And, you know, in a weird way, it's. We've been so glued to every word, every bit of testimony. To think that it's all coming to an end kind of feels strange and like, okay, here it is. And I wonder what Diddy is feeling right now. If he feels confident, if he's, you know, all of the folks or all of the reporters in the courtroom have reported on him being actively involved, like leaning forward, watching the monitor, reading. Like they get a testimony, they have the words of. So he doesn't miss anything. I mean, he has been very, very, very a huge part of this. And to your point, he obviously had to sign off on not calling any witnesses.

[Co-Host]

Remember, he has been in prison since last September.

[Host]

Wow.

[Co-Host]

And he could potentially either walk out of there in the next week, you could even argue, or he's going to find out he's going to prison for a long, long time. We should have that answer soon. I even thought about the possibility of mistrials and hung juries. I haven't even.

[Host]

Yeah, who knows that? I mean, there are. There are a million different. Not a million, but there are several different outcomes that could take place here, including he gets convicted on a lesser charge and gets credit for time served and isn't in prison for that long or maybe has already done his time. Who knows? But we will continue to watch everything that goes on in that lower Manhattan courtroom and bring you the very latest. And you know, the big bombshell today. The defense is not calling any witnesses. The defense will rest the same day. The prosecution does. So thank you so much for listening to us, everyone. We'll keep you updated, but in the meantime, hope you have a wonderful day today.

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