The Diddy Trial: The Detectives and The Stylist

Summary

Podcast Summary: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial

Episode: The Diddy Trial: The Detectives and The Stylist
Release Date: May 29, 2025
Hosted by: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes
Featuring: Aubrey O’Day
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In this gripping episode of Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial, the hosts delve deep into the ongoing trial of Sean “Diddy” Combs. With the trial now entering its third full week of testimony, Robach and Holmes, alongside guest Aubrey O’Day—a former protege of Diddy, television personality, and Danity Kane alum—provide comprehensive coverage and insightful analysis of the proceedings that have captivated the nation.

Key Testimonies Overview

The episode focuses primarily on the intense testimonies presented in court, highlighting significant witness accounts and pivotal evidence that shape the prosecution's case against Diddy.

1. Deontay Nash: Cassie Ventura's Personal Stylist

Timestamp: [02:21]

Deontay Nash, Cassie Ventura’s personal stylist and close friend, took the stand as a central witness. Nash provided harrowing details of witnessing the alleged violence Cassie endured at the hands of Diddy.

• Violent Incident: Nash recounted an instance where Cassie was brutally assaulted, resulting in a severe gash on her head from hitting the headboard. “She was dragged by the hair,” Nash stated [13:56], emphasizing the brutality of the attack.

• Diddy's Reaction: After the assault, Diddy allegedly declined to call 911, instead opting to take Cassie to a personal plastic surgeon. Nash described Diddy’s demeanor during this moment: “Look what y’all made me do” [16:12], highlighting a common abuser’s tactic of deflecting responsibility.

• Emotional Impact: The emotional toll on Cassie was palpable. Both Nash and Cassie expressed feelings of hopelessness and entrapment, with Cassie contemplating extreme measures to escape her situation. “You're not supposed to fly even after eight months... you're supposed to stay pampered and peaceful,” Amy reflected on Cassie's resilience despite her circumstances [24:16].

2. Detective Chris Ignacio: Law Enforcement’s Involvement

Timestamp: [02:21]

Detective Chris Ignacio, an LAPD officer, provided crucial testimony that corroborates the prosecution’s narrative of Diddy's involvement.

• Black Escalade Evidence: Ignacio documented seeing a black Escalade—a vehicle registered to Bad Boy, Diddy’s company—at the scene of Kid Cudi’s house vandalism. “He saw… a black Escalade registered to Bad Boy,” Amy noted, underscoring the connection to Diddy [02:55].

• Missed Opportunities: Despite being present, Ignacio did not witness Diddy directly, only the aftermath. This raises questions about missed opportunities for intervention. “Somebody saw a beating take place, didn’t do anything,” TJ lamented [04:15].

3. Fire Investigator Lance Jimenez: The Porsche Incident

Timestamp: [05:10]

Fire Investigator Lance Jimenez shed light on the suspicious circumstances surrounding Kid Cudi’s Porsche, which was allegedly sabotaged with a Molotov cocktail.

• Evidence Destruction: Jimenez revealed that fingerprints found at the scene were later destroyed, prompting defense attorneys to claim foul play and attempt to introduce reasonable doubt. “The judge said, no, that did nothing,” Amy reported, indicating the court's rejection of these defense arguments [06:37].

• Molotov Cocktail Details: The device used was described as a poorly constructed Molotov cocktail, with specifics that suggest intentional signaling. “It was an old English bottle, gasoline and a designer handkerchief,” Amy highlighted, pointing to potential symbolic messaging [10:14].

4. Mia: Victim Number Four

Timestamp: [26:08]

The episode briefly mentions an upcoming testimony from Mia, an anonymous witness labeled as "victim number four." Scheduled to testify later, Mia is another employee who observed disturbing events, including witnessing Cassie with significant injuries. Amy assures listeners that detailed coverage will continue in future episodes.

Key Evidence and Its Implications

The trial has unearthed a series of interconnected events and evidence that paint a troubling picture of Diddy’s influence and alleged misconduct.

• Vehicle Presence: The black Escalade serves as a critical piece of evidence, linking Diddy’s entourage to the site of criminal activities. “If you've got an officer of the law running the plates of this black Escalade, that pretty much connects all the dots,” Amy explained [04:04].

• Fingerprint Destruction: The intentional destruction of fingerprints by law enforcement raises suspicions about the integrity of the investigation and potential bias. “Partial fingerprints… they had a sidebar, and the judge said… we're gonna proceed,” Amy clarified, reinforcing the prosecution’s stance [07:29].

• Personal Threats: Diddy's alleged threats to release explicit videos aimed at humiliating Cassie’s family underscore the coercive tactics used to control and silence her. “He threatened to release those explicit videos… to make sure her parents were fired and humiliated,” Amy emphasized [21:04].

Insights and Analysis

Robach, Holmes, and O’Day provide nuanced interpretations of the testimonies, highlighting the psychological and emotional dimensions of the case.

• Impact on Cassie Ventura: Despite being heavily pregnant, Cassie bravely recounted her traumatic experiences on the witness stand. Her ability to testify while carrying a newborn child underscores her resilience. “That was a herculean effort,” Amy remarked [24:38].

• Public Perception vs. Reality: The trial reveals a stark contrast between Diddy's public persona and the dark reality experienced by those close to him. “We all seemed to be a part of it… but you didn’t know what you didn’t know,” TJ reflected on the dissonance between fame and personal turmoil [15:27].

• Systemic Failures: The testimonies highlight systemic issues within law enforcement and the entertainment industry, where power dynamics often shield abusers from accountability. “Somebody was scared to do this,” TJ pointed out, critiquing the broader societal failures [04:48].

Notable Quotes

• TJ Holmes: “This stuff was horrific.” [13:54]
• Amy Robach: “It feels like a horror movie, and it is.” [05:15]
• Deontay Nash: “Look what y’all made me do.” [16:12]
• Amy Robach: “She is Mrs. Fine, wife and mother, and a human being.” [25:29]
• TJ Holmes: “She is a human being, she is a woman, and she is a mother, and she is a wife.” [25:29]

Conclusion and Upcoming Developments

As the trial progresses, Robach and Holmes promise to continue providing in-depth coverage of each courtroom development. The episode concludes with a heartening update about Cassie Ventura Fine welcoming her third child, a testament to her strength amidst the ongoing legal battles. Listeners are teased with the anticipation of Mia’s upcoming testimony, promising further revelations in the quest for justice.

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This episode offers a comprehensive and emotionally charged exploration of the Diddy trial, weaving together firsthand accounts, expert analysis, and the profound human impact of the allegations. For those seeking an in-depth understanding of the case, Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial delivers a compelling narrative that is both informative and deeply moving.

Transcript

[Amy]

This is an I Heart podcast.

[TJ]

Hey there, folks. It's Thursday, May 29th. Welcome to this episode of Amy & TJ. The Diddy trial continues as we speak. And a reminder, this is now the third full week of testimony and robes as we record this. Now, testimony is going to be another full day, but it's hard to get through all the testimony if you're not paying close attention and have time to go through all of these articles online. So we are providing a service here, if you will.

[Amy]

That's right. So, yes, we are following up on all the testimony. What happened with a very full day in court yesterday, which was Wednesday. And so you don't have to click and try to read and piece it all together. It's all here for you, along with our take on what is happening inside that courtroom, just a few blocks away from where we are sitting right now. But, yes, yesterday was another big day of testimony where we heard from two law enforcement officials, one with the fire department, talking about some of the issues with Diddy and Kid Cudi. And then the big, big, big witness on the stand was Cassie Ventura, Fine's personal stylist and now her friend Deontay Nash. And he had a lot to say about what he witnessed and how he feels about both Cassie and Sean Diddy Combs.

[TJ]

Yeah, the majority of the day, the stand was occupied by Deontay Nash. We're gonna get into everything he had to say, which was absolutely a lot. He. He saw a lot. And was able to detail a lot of the alleged violence that she endured at the hands of Diddy. But the Chris Ignacio was the LAPD officer, and he was important because were able to corroborate a lot of what we had already heard. He was the one who showed up. Or one of the officers who showed up after Diddy allegedly broke into Kid Cudi's house. Ropes. He said he got there, he went inside. He didn't see Diddy. He didn't see a security guard, but he saw. He testified to the aftermath that we have already heard about how Cudi's place was trashed, certainly allegedly. And by everything they're piecing together, it was Diddy. And his security guard had gone into the house.

[Amy]

That's right. He says he purged personally saw a black. Sorry, I can't talk. Saw a black Escalade take off once he pulled up and then come back around. He ran the plates and yep, that black Escalade was registered to Bad Boy, which is, of course, Sean Diddy Combs Co. And so that that was a big, you know, piece of evidence that clearly puts at least a representative of. Of Diddy, if not Diddy himself, there at the time around when Kid Cudi said his home was vandalized.

[TJ]

And again, this was the exact time. The whole incident we're talking about here is the night that Diddy allegedly got mad, found out Cudi and Cassie were dating, went to Cudi's house that night. Now, someone who was with him, Capricorn Clark is another former assistant who testified as well with some pretty powerful stuff. She was telling that, yes, they were in a black Escalade. They went to the house. She talked about what happened. She said, yes, Cuddy pulled up, he took off, and we chased him in the black Escalade for a little while, then came back to the house. So the Escalade has played a lot into this story to hear. Now, an officer say he laid eyes on that Escalade in question, he saw it that night, and apparently whoever was in that Escalade saw officers coming that night and took off is the story now that's being put together. And you can't. There's a lot of black Escalades out there, especially in la. But he ran the plates.

[Amy]

But he ran the plates. Exactly. So that's really not up for dispute. If you've got an officer of the law running the plates of this black Escalade, that pretty much puts, or at least connects all the dots for jurors that if not Diddy, someone who represented Diddy was there while all of this was being reported.

[TJ]

But the thought of the matter of, yes, Capricorn Clark told the story, but to think that an officer. I mean, chances are, given the timing, and given the timing, there's a decent chance that Diddy was still in that vehicle.

[Amy]

Yes.

[TJ]

To think that there was a cop that passed, to think he was right there and all this stuff, this is 10 years ago. I think this incident was. To think that an officer was right there. Like there were so many missed opportunities. I guess I'm not faulting the officer. I'm just saying along the way, and as we've been following this trial, somebody saw a beating take place, didn't do anything, somebody saw this, didn't do anything. Somebody was scared to do this. And just to think that close, just passing Diddy at the scene, it's this, this. You think you've heard enough or a lot or at all. And it just keeps coming in this trial.

[Amy]

So much of it seems like a movie script. So much of it, even those near misses or those missed opportunities that allowed this to continue for years and years and years, all feels like the movie. Like a movie script. Like almost. Almost. Almost. And yet, not until the very end, not until Cassie filed her lawsuit, did any of this come to light on the movie thing.

[TJ]

Isn't this the point of the movie where you're screaming at the screen, he's in the car.

[Amy]

Yes.

[TJ]

That you just.

[Amy]

Oh, my gosh. So close. So close. Yeah. But we're hearing it all play out in court, and it really is as riveting as a movie script and as devastating. And it's all. It is a horror movie, truly. I mean, it really is. It feels like a horror movie, and it is. It was life for so many people who were in this inner circle of Sean Diddy Combs, according to their testimony.

[TJ]

And the officer said nobody ever said anything to him about Diddy. Nobody said anything about theft. It was only to investigate trespassing, and that was the end of it. And they went about their day. Now, the other person who was up on the stand was a fire investigator, an arson investigator who checked out the fire in Kid Cudi's car, the Porsche that had the Molotov cocktail in it. Now, this was when things got a little interesting, because, yes, the. The defense at one point during this man's testimony, moved for a mistrial. They wanted to end this thing yesterday because of this guy's testimony. We are talking about Lance Jimenez. He's a LA fire investigator in robes. He got up and he mentioned something, and I think he was just answering the question. Having to do with. There were fingerprints that were found at Kid Cudi's car. They're piecing together, of course, through testimony that they believe that Diddy had something to do with it. That's never been proven or fine. But the fire investigator said, we found fingerprints, but those were later destroyed. That is what prompted defense attorneys to speak up.

[Amy]

Yes. They said it implied that Diddy had so much reach and so much power that he was able to somehow have those fingerprints destroyed. But there were partial fingerprints. And of course, we should mention. The judge said, no, that did nothing. They did this outside of the juror's attention. They had a sidebar, and the judge said, no, this is not in any way incriminating your client, and the jury has not been tainted, and we're gonna proceed. And so the testimony continued. And I thought it was really interesting when Detective Jimenez talked about that. The fingerprints, the partial fingerprints, I think they were able to say it was for a woman, for a Female. We know the Capricorn Clark was there. So then, of course, Diddy's defense team went really full tilt on that one and tried to lean in on the fact that the fingerprints were possibly female, not male.

[TJ]

Look, they had no. This is another crime, that they had no suspect, they had no witness to come forward and say who they thought the suspect was. Because the two people mainly involved in this, Cassie Ventura, Kit Cudi and Capricorn Clark, none of them made a police report accusing him of anything of the sort. His name never came up. And, in fact, Cassie and Capricorn. This fire investigator said he called repeatedly, trying to get in touch with them in robes. This again, nobody want. They would not call him back. They would not take his call. And this goes to fear that they say so many people felt about Diddy.

[Amy]

That part of his testimony blew me away, that here is a detective with the law trying to figure out why Kid Cudi's car blew up with a, he said, a poorly constructed Molotov cocktail. And we know now that we heard Cassie Ventura testify that Sean Diddy Combs threatened to blow up Kid Cudi's car. And then, sure enough, a short time later, Kid Cudi's car blows up. So we only hear this after the fact. But, yes, when this fire investigator is trying to figure out how this happened, no one would talk to him to the point where he said, capricorn's brother finally answered her phone and said, leave her alone. It was very clear that no one who actually knew what happened was. Had any intention of talking about what happened, incriminating Diddy in any way. And as you point out, fearful to do so, to even take an officer's phone call, they wouldn't even answer the phone. That speaks volumes.

[TJ]

We keep using that. We kept saying, molotov cocktail. Molotov cocktail. And if you're familiar, it's essentially a bottle with whatever accelerant, gasoline, gasoline, alcohol, whatever. And then you stick a rag in the top, you light it, then you toss the thing. And when you toss it, of course, something is on fire, but then the fluid that's in there spreads with the flame and it causes more destruction. This Officer Robes said this was a crappy Molotov cocktail. Somebody didn't understand the concept to. Because sure enough, they cut a hole in the top of his car. But it was kind of just placed in there. It didn't break.

[Amy]

Yes. If it breaks open, then the fuel, whatever it is, spreads and there's a huge fire. They said that, honestly, the car was so close to his home, that if they had done it correctly, not only would his car have blown up, but his house most likely would have caught fire as well. And I thought it was also interesting when they described what the Molotov cocktail looked like. It was an old English bottle, gasoline and a designer handkerchief. A silk designer handkerchief.

[TJ]

So you can hear like Chris Rock making a joke about how that.

[Amy]

That's obviously.

[TJ]

That was Diddy.

[Amy]

Obviously. Obviously. Who's going to throw away or blow up a designer handkerchief? You know how much those things cost?

[TJ]

I do, actually, because I only have one. But old English OE malt liquor. This is some old school hood stuff. O, E. Have you ever had oe?

[Amy]

I have never had. I didn't even know it was referred to as oe.

[TJ]

Oh, E. Yes. Mal liquor.

[Amy]

Do you think he was honestly with that, almost leaving a signature oh, E with a designer handkerchief? It's like, F you love Diddy.

[TJ]

Oh, my God.

[Amy]

Like, I feel like that's what that said.

[TJ]

Again, we get the implications here and we are making little light of the OE bottle and a designer handkerchief. But this was absolutely a. Somebody was. And you know what the most. One of the more violent thing. I didn't know they cut a hole in the Porsche. They cut a hole in the top to get this in there. But again, they placed it so it was just sitting in there gently. A lot of people at this point have seen a lot of the.

[Amy]

You throw a Molotov cocktail, do you? Not usually.

[TJ]

Oh, yeah. So it can break.

[Amy]

You want it to break? Yes, it needs to break.

[TJ]

But the video we have seen in the pictures of his car don't go with a lot of the words being used in some of the coverage. Say his car blew up or his car was. There was a bombing of some kind because it just looked like it's charred in places. That's why.

[Amy]

Maybe this is total conjecture and my just uninformed opinion.

[TJ]

Go for it.

[Amy]

I'm gonna say it, but maybe he didn't want the whole car to blow up. Maybe he wanted it to be a warning and he wanted it to know that that was from him. Based on how he wanted the evidence of the Molotov cocktail to stay intact so that Cudi would know it was him.

[TJ]

That's one theory. I don't subscribe to it, but that's one.

[Amy]

Just a poor. What?

[TJ]

Just a bad idea. You know what? It sounds like something you didn't think through. You didn't plan it. He called it a makeshift bomb. It was something the officer said it just. It was not well done and it wasn't well executed, but thank goodness that it wasn't. And everybody ended up okay there. Those two were up first on the day, but then robes, the one we had been hearing about, talking about. They actually expected to get to four witnesses yesterday, and they actually only got to three, because Deontay Nash, they had him up on the stand for quite a while. And this. This is a celebrity stylist who, by all accounts, he was a character, if you will. He had a personality on the stand, but he made clear when he got up there, I don't wanna be here.

[Amy]

Yes, one news outlet referred to him as cheeky, which I think was appropriate. But, yes, he was asked if he was going to sue Diddy, and he said, no, I'm focused on getting out of here, as in out of court. He didn't wanna be there. And it was very clear. And by that, with so many of these witnesses who have been compelled to testify, you can tell that they're not there for revenge. They're not there to see Diddy go down. They're there almost against their will.

[TJ]

Yeah. Who was the. Can't remember her name right now. It was Cassie's former best friend who. She said Diddy assaulted her. And she lost her best friend over it because her best friend essentially didn't shut her out, but didn't stand up for her during that. That was another young lady who said, I don't want to be here. I want these people out of my life and out of this world. And I've been working like she's years removed from this. I don't want to be back here. That is a theme. Folks don't want anything to do with this world we've been hearing so much about.

[Amy]

It was so awful, and they don't want to return to it. And I'm imagining a lot of them don't want to remember it. But Deontay Nash did recall so many memories of personally witnessing Cassie being kicked.

[TJ]

This stuff was horrific.

[Amy]

Dragged by the hair. And the one that. The one instance that he described was just so awful. She was asleep on the couch and he was in the hotel room with her. And apparently she wasn't answering her phone. And it made him so angry, when he rushed into the hotel room, he immediately just started, according to Deontay Nash, just beating her. And she ended up with a gash on her head so deep from hitting the headboard from being hit that he wanted to call 911, he said, but that is when Diddy said, no, I'll just take her to my personal plastic surgeon. And he saw her the next day with stitches on her head.

[TJ]

That's where we talk about this again. There's at least two people now who are. Who witness what they describe at least, as something that will get you years in prison. And nobody called or stepped in or made a change and continued working with this man. It's hard to get your head around if we're on the outside like us Robes, but people are telling these stories, just how trapped they felt. And it's painting a picture of a world that, quite frankly, I would argue, as a kid in the 90s, we all wanted to be a part of that world. It all looked so glamorous from the outside. We all rooted for Diddy. We were all just. I mean, I remember the first time I met Diddy, I was so. I was over the moon. And I'm talking. I was a grown man. I'm talking. I was 40 years old or something, maybe. And I'm still just in awe. And to think, like, wow, we all just watched it.

[Amy]

It makes you feel sick to your stomach, doesn't it?

[TJ]

Because we all seem to be a part of it. And to some degree, obviously, he. He.

[Amy]

But you didn't know what you didn't know. And the sad thing is the people who were seeing testify did know, and for whatever reason, they didn't do anything about it. I. This. This one. This really stood out to me. What Deontay testified to, he said that moment where she got the gash on her head, and he said there was blood everywhere. Obviously heads bleed a lot. And what Diddy say when that happened, he looked at Deontay, Nash, and Cassie and said, look what y' all made me do. Is that not a classic line of an abuser? Look what you made me do. Taking zero responsibility and blaming the victim and blaming the people who loved her. That is horrific.

[TJ]

What was the one part of the story as well? He said this was. He said a switch kind of flipped with Diddy. And we've heard several witnesses testify who said they saw him being violent or at least anger. They keep using the word rage. There's a rage in him. And Nash here was describing this moment before. He said, look what y' all made me do. He said he turned into a different person and completely calmed when he saw the blood. He said he was a totally different guy. And it's like a switch just flipped at that moment when he saw blood everywhere. But I think Cassie Ventura, she Ventura fine. And testified about it as well, saying there was a moment just black in his eyes, like she didn't recognize who he was.

[Amy]

That's scary.

[TJ]

That is wild.

[Amy]

It's very scary. And another thing that was just so heartbreaking. And we've used that word so much when talking about the testimony that we've been hearing in this trial. But when Deontay talked about how Diddy forced him to take him to the hotel where Cassie was hiding from him.

[TJ]

Okay, can I back up on the story? Because I have notes here and I actually put them out of order. So this goes. The conclusion to this story you were about to give is the part that sinks your heart once again. But this was a time where he was once again looking for Cassie. Cassie ends up in this incident at his house. He takes her from his house because he got a heads up that Diddy was on the way looking for Cassie. He takes Cassie in a car from his house to Sunset Boulevard. Just drops her off. Like, go tell her to go to a hotel.

[Amy]

How scared they both were.

[TJ]

Like, you're planning an escape from somebody.

[Amy]

You're dropping someone off in the middle of a massive busy road and just say, figure it out. But you're safer here than you are with me or anywhere near him.

[TJ]

So, yes, Diddy ends up coming over. She's not there at that point. So he looked in the oven. He looked up and down. That sounds like a crazy person.

[Amy]

He looked in the oven. Like, closets, too. But okay, I can understand why he would look in a closet. But, like, the fact that you're searching for someone who is clearly hiding from you is sad and scary all in one. But, yeah, he looked in the oven.

[TJ]

But from this incident, they end up like you were going here. They go to the hotel. So all this is going on. Nash ends up getting forced to take Diddy to the hotel where Cassie's hiding out. Sends Nash and a security guard upstairs to get Cassie, who was up there hiding out. And this is where it just. You go, Jesus. This puts you in a. To try to understand where her head was, where her heart was, where she was in life is this story.

[Amy]

Oh, it's hard to even repeat what she did. But when he gets up, when Deontay gets up into the hotel room and he's supposed to bring her back down to Diddy waiting in the car. He said that she was in the balcony, she was walking towards it, and she said she wanted to go over the balcony, and he was sure she was going to harm herself, she was going to Jump off the balcony of that hotel room rather than go back downstairs with him and get in the car with Diddy.

[TJ]

There was someone else. Who was it else that. I think she spoke of it the time she wanted to just walk out into traffic.

[Amy]

Yep.

[TJ]

There was another time a friend of hers said that after Diddy had assaulted her, Cassie was at her house and she was just sitting on the couch. Diddy was banging on the door just violently. Everybody else was freaking out. Cassie was sitting on the couch calmly while it was going on. And her friend said, I don't think she cared if she lived or died.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[TJ]

These are three stories that seem fairly consistent, if you will, with a woman who just wanted to give up.

[Amy]

Well, she was. You wouldn't get to that place or have those thoughts unless you were searching for relief. And that sounded better. Death sounded better than dealing with the hell she was living in. And that is just awful and horrific and it's just one of the saddest things I've ever heard. Just you can try to put yourself in her position and imagine how hopeless and how trapped you must feel to think that was the only way out. And you know, a lot of this, and this is what Deontay testified to as well. So much of this was about blackmail because people say, just leave. People say, but Diddy, he heard Diddy threaten to release those explicit videos of her during freak offs. And it wasn't just about even releasing it to the public. He specifically told her the first place. This is, according to Deontay, that Diddy would send those explicit videos to would be the places where her parents worked to make sure her parents were fired and humiliated.

[TJ]

That's tough.

[Amy]

That's so personal. That's so scary. And you can see where you would feel like, I'll do anything to make sure that doesn't happen.

[TJ]

That's. That, that's a. That's a low. That's a cold, cold threat to make to somebody. I'm gonna send this to you, all of us. You remember people telling you, don't do anything that you wouldn't want on the front page of the New York Times, Right. Don't ever do anything. I guess we probably failed in that advice. My point still here being there is nothing and no one you would want to protect your foolishness from than your parents. And you would never want your parents to be publicly humiliated by something you do. But you would never want them to see you doing your worst, your dirt, your whatever to that type of. That threat you talk about giving you chills that's a threat. That just sounds.

[Amy]

It was so evil. It sounds evil is what it sounds evil. And you know what? Deontay also this is part of what the prosecution's case was and he certainly testified into proving this that Cassie didn't want. And he heard and witnessed Cassie not wanting to participate in the freak offs. She was at her own birthday party and instead of going out karaoke ing with her friends, he personally saw her being, you know, pushed, forced coerced, whatever you want to use to come with Diddy instead to a freak off. And she told him she didn't want to go. She told Deontay she didn't want to go. So he personally witnessed her trying to refuse these freak offs and ultimately feeling as though for whatever reason, whether it was the threat of the tapes or the threat of violence, she would eventually just say yes.

[TJ]

Can we handle some good news? We haven't done this yet right. In all these updates. We will continue to post these. But this is, this is the good news from this week. Cassie is now a mom of three. Cassie Ventura Fine did give birth on Tuesday. We found out, I guess we got confirmation of it. Rose. The court did. At least the update from Deontay Nash. They are that close of friends. He actually called her, he said in the hospital the previous day and she did have her baby. I didn't say all the details. You just found them?

[Amy]

Yes. NBC News is reporting that Cassie Ventura Fine and her husband Alex have are now proud parents to a little boy. And that's super sweet because they already have two daughters. Frankie who is five and Sunny who is four. I love those names. We don't have the name yet of the boy but it is confirmed that she gave birth to a healthy baby boy. And that's pretty remarkable when you think about where she was just a week and a half ago on that witness stand and the fact that she was able to emotionally and frankly physically handle reliving what seems like an unthinkable hellscape to any one of us in front of the world. The world is listening.

[TJ]

What do they recommend? Don't they tell women to avoid stressful situations? Absolutely.

[Amy]

You're not supposed to fly even after eight months and, and you're not supposed to do anything strenuous after eight months physically or emotionally. You're supposed to stay pampered and peaceful as much as you can for the health of yourself and the health of your baby. So that to me that was a herculean effort and remarkable that she was on that witness Stand for as long as she was talking about what she was talking about.

[TJ]

You know what? This is a human moment. I wanted to take. We talked about it this morning. Robes. But so many of us have been referring to her. Cassi Ventura. Cassi Ventura. Cassi Ventura. Sometimes people use the last name, just say Ventura. I have at times been saying Cassie because that's what she went by when she was an artist and it just kind of flows out. But Deontay Nash reminded us all, with just a simple correction to a defense attorney, that she is more than an artist. She is more than a victim. And those aren't even the things we should lead with. She is a human being, she is a woman, and she is a mother, and she is a wife. And so I thought it was cool. I don't think the defense attorney was making much of a point. He was just saying something and refer to her as Ms. Ventura.

[Amy]

Right.

[TJ]

Ms. Cassie Ventura. And he corrected her and said Mrs. Fine. I thought that was just somebody could take it as, oh, what's the big deal? Why did he even have to do that? Do you have to be a smart ass? I just. Those little moments that we forget that people are just like the folks we are sitting across the table from right now or your family, they seem larger than life. They're not just icons or musicians. Anytime you label somebody like that, it makes it so much easier to call them by a name or insult them. But if you remember, she is Mrs. Fine, wife and mother, it helps.

[Amy]

It was a powerful moment.

[TJ]

I loved it.

[Amy]

I appreciated it as well. And by the way, Nash is actually on the stand right now as we are recording this. He is going to finish up his testimony and then we are expecting later today Mia, that is what she's being called, but she is also known as victim number four. She is going to remain anonymous, but it appears she is another employee who witnessed a lot. And I believe she was in that hotel room with Deontay Nash when that big gash happened and all that blood was everywhere. So we are going to hear a lot more from Mia and we will, of course, keep you updated on all of that in tomorrow's episode. This is an I Heart podcast.