Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Melanie McGuire

Summary

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Podcast Summary: ‘Til Death Do Us Part: The Original Suitcase Killer - Melanie McGuire

Hosts: Legally Brunette Podcast Host & Co-Host
Date: March 15, 2026
Podcast: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Theme:
A deep dive into the infamous case of Melanie McGuire, known as “The Suitcase Killer” — a New Jersey nurse convicted in 2007 of murdering and dismembering her husband, Bill McGuire. The hosts break down the key evidence, Melanie’s version of events, her ongoing claims of innocence, and their own doubts and takeaways.

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Main Theme and Purpose

The episode explores the case of Melanie McGuire, centering on the themes of marital homicide, circumstantial versus direct evidence, and the peculiar details that led to her conviction. The hosts examine the strengths and holes in the case, weighing the degree of guilt beyond reasonable doubt as they recount the evidence, trial, and aftermath.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Case Background & Early Marriage

• Timeline: Bill and Melanie met in an affair, both brought personal baggage, notably, Bill's previous marriage and allegations of abuse by his ex-wife.
• Professions: Melanie was a fertility clinic nurse, Bill a Navy veteran and adjunct professor.
• The couple purchased a new home on April 28, 2004—the same day Bill disappeared.
• Melanie reported that after an argument where Bill became physical, she locked herself in the bathroom, didn’t see him again, and claims he left the home (03:34–06:49).

2. Discovery of Bill's Body & Initial Investigation

• Bill’s car was discovered in Atlantic City soon after his disappearance.
• Suitcases in Chesapeake Bay: Body found dismembered across three suitcases, initially unidentified (07:16–08:40).
• The victim was shot three times. Identification happened through a composite sketch and a friend’s wife.
• Notable Quote:
  • “Melanie files for divorce the same day his body is identified.” (08:40, Host 1)

3. Melanie's Behavior & Alleged Motive

• Melanie maintained devastation and innocence but showed inconsistent behavior and a suspiciously muted reaction to news of her husband’s death.
• Detective Observation:
  • “Although she appeared to mimic crying, she never had a tear in her eye.” (10:18, Detective Ray Pickle via Host 1)
• Melanie had a two-year affair with Dr. Bradley Miller, a married colleague, but said she wasn’t planning a divorce for the children’s sake. (15:55)

4. The Mountain of Circumstantial Evidence

Building the Case: Evidence Summary

(14:47–29:41, 33:48–41:57)

• Weapon Purchase: Purchased a .38 caliber revolver just days before the disappearance.
• Bullets: Used wadcutter bullets (matching her purchase history).
• Medical Blanket: Found in suitcase, traced to her workplace fertility clinic.
• Suitcases: Purchased 3-piece set at Walmart two days before murder; video and tags matched purchase.
• Trash Bags: Consistent with the type, dye, and manufacturing line of bags in her apartment.
• Internet Searches: On committing murder, undetectable poisons, how to illegally obtain firearms, and chloral hydrate.
• Sedative: Forged prescription and picked up chloral hydrate (a sedative) before the killing.
• Couch Fibers: Fibers on a bullet matched throw pillows from their home couch.
• Moving the Vehicle: Caught on camera moving Bill's car to Atlantic City.
• Affair and Divorce: Two-year affair, filed for divorce as soon as his body was identified.
• Human Flesh in Car: Not mere skin cells; actual tissue found in the car.
• Anonymous Tip Line Evidence: Anonymous communications to police traced back to her or someone acting on her behalf.

Notable Quote – On Evidence:

• “She purchased the suitcases two days prior. Yeah. And the gun a couple days prior.” (21:26, Host 1)
• “And she filed for divorce after his remains were found.” (28:15, Host 1)

5. The “Reasonable Doubt” Discussion – The Host’s Only Hang-up

• No Forensic Evidence in the Apartment:
  Despite the apparent killing and dismemberment happening at the apartment, there was NO blood or forensic trace found, despite the expectation that such a gruesome act would leave evidence.
  • “That is the only thing that is very mind boggling...there is not a drop of blood within that apartment.” (39:18, Host 1)
• Size and Logistical Doubt:
  Hosts discuss the physical implausibility of petite Melanie dismembering a large man and successfully disposing of the body alone.
• Host's Doubt:
  • “I’m only at 98%—I just don’t understand the forensic.” (35:00, Host 1)
  • “How did she get the hardest part correct, but the easy part of not being seen buying a suitcase or leaving the tag on it she got wrong?” (40:52, Host 1)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On emotional response:
  • “How long would you cry if you killed me and then they found me dead?”
  • “Two hours.” (10:16; light banter showcasing the podcast’s tone)
• On internet searches:
  • “Undetectable poisons and how to commit murder.” (17:25, Host 1)
• On the circumstantial evidence pile-up:
  • “Her timing is terrible.” (16:47, Host 2)
  • “She’s terrible at this.” (21:43, Host 2)
• On the missing forensic evidence:
  • “Either she had some type of accomplice that helped her, or…I don’t know. I just don’t understand it.” (39:45, Host 1)
• On reasonable responses to marital strife:
  • “Petition for divorce, not murder.” (43:35, Host 2)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Early life and relationship background: 03:34 – 06:41
• Discovery of the murder & forensic discoveries: 07:16 – 10:46
• Affair and the evidence stack: 14:47 – 28:15
• Detailed list and discussion of circumstantial evidence: 18:19 – 29:41
• Host’s doubts over forensic absence & logistics: 35:00 – 41:18
• Trial verdict, aftermath, and media portrayals: 41:07 – 42:59
• Final thoughts and listener invitation for theories: 43:04 – 43:39

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, witty, and informal, with well-timed humor amidst the dark subject.
• Rigorous about evidence, but always with a skeptical, true-crime podcast lens.
• Hosts play “jury,” inviting each other and listeners to weigh the evidence themselves.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• The circumstantial evidence against Melanie McGuire is massive and damning; purchases, forgeries, behavior, motive, and opportunity all point to guilt.
• Despite the mystery of zero forensic evidence in the home, hosts agree the massive coincidence required for her innocence is unrealistic.
• The “missing blood” conundrum remains a true crime puzzle—and the hosts invite audience theories.
• Memorable moral:
  • “Petition for divorce, not murder.” (43:35, Host 2)
  • “Divorce is always the better option.” (43:41, Host 1)

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For more about the case, the hosts recommend the Lifetime/Netflix movie: “The Suitcase Killer: The Melanie McGuire Story.”

Transcript

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[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Hi guys. Welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette presents Till Death Do Us Part. This is where we discuss cases that have to do with marital not marital bliss, marital destruction, marital homicide, marital homicide. So today, I don't know if you guys have ever heard of this, but we are going to Talk about Melanie McGuire, who has been dubbed the Suitcase Killer.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Not to be confused with Sarah Boone.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Sarah Boone, who is the other Suitcase Killer. But Sarah Boone, I believe was not. Were they married? I don't think they were married.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I don't think so. But they were like together for a long time.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Right? So we might actually discuss Sarah Boone.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Oh, we definitely should.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

But today we are going with Melanie McGuire. We're going with the original the original Suitcase Killer. All right, so Melanie McGuire was a New Jersey nurse and mother of two who was convicted back in 2007 of murder, her husband, Bill McGuire, after he was reported missing in 2004. His dismembered remains were discovered inside three separate suitcases in the Chesapeake Bay. Prosecutors argued that she shot him and attempted to conceal the crime by throwing the suitcases with his dismembered body parts into the bay. During the investigation, it was revealed that she had been having an affair with a co worker. The co who do you think the co worker was because she's a nurse?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

A doctor.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

A doctor, yes. The prosecution claims she killed her husband to pursue a new life, but Melanie has continued to insist that someone else was responsible for his death up until present day. She claims that she did not do it and that they have the wrong person. So we're gonna get into it.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Well, let's decide. Let's go over the facts, and we'll decide if she's the wrong person.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

At the end of this, I want you to tell me whether you think they have the right person or not. Okay? Okay. All right, so let's talk a little bit. Let's go back in time and talk a little bit about their early life and early marriage. This is back in 1999-2004. So back in 1999, Melanie marries Bill McGuire. The two met when Bill was in a relationship already and he had cheated on his girlfriend with Melanie. Bill was also married once before, and his ex wife claims that he was abusive. I do believe that the ex wife even tried to warn Melanie about Bill to saying that he was volatile and abusive and all the things. Melanie and Bill lived in Woodbridge, New Jersey, with her two children. They had two boys. And Melanie works as a nurse at a fertility clinic. Bill is a Navy veteran and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology. So that's their careers. Yeah. So then on April 28th of 2004, this is the same day that the couple closes on. On their new $450,000 home in Warren County, New Jersey. Yeah. So they're closing on their home. He disappears the same day.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Very serendipitous.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Serendipitous. That's a. That is a big word. I didn't.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Sarcastic way. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Melanie later says that they argued that he became physical and that she locked herself in the bathroom before he left. And then she claims that she never saw him again after that night.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

She probably didn't. Well, yeah, because she killed the.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

But that's her story. Okay, so her story is they got an argument, he's abusive, she locked herself in the bathroom, put him in a

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

suitcase, and I never saw him since I put him in that.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

What did she did?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I don't know. We'll get to it.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, we're going to get there.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I just know the Sarah Boone case so well. I got to make sure I'm not picturing Sarah Boone.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Okay. Get Sarah Boone out of your mind. We were talking about Melanie McGuire. So many suitcases. So then Bill's car is found parked Outside a hotel in Atlantic City. The day after his disappearance, a suitcase containing human legs is found floating in the Chesapeake Bay. This is the first suitcase that shows up. So they find a suitcase has legs, only legs. Two more suitcases with additional remains are recovered over the following days. You know, they didn't know who it was, even though I think they found, like, his head and, like, torso and one suitcase, legs in another suitcase, and, like, arms in another suitcase. But they did not know who. He didn't. He didn't have his license on him. He had no identification on him in the suitcase. Authorities determined that the victim was shot three times with a.38 caliber revolver, once in the head and twice in the torso. After a composite sketch is released, the wife of one of Bill's Navy friends recognizes him as the victim. Melanie. This is interesting, because I feel like you need to kind of, like, hone into this. Melanie files for divorce the same day his body is identified. So they find the body parts. They don't know who it is. They sketch it, they release the sketch. He becomes identified, and the day that he's identified, she files for divorce.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

You think so? Like, it was on the media? In the media, yeah. So maybe, like. So it reminded her, like, oh, crap, I forgot to file for divorce. I've been meaning to do that.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

After authorities identified Bill's body, Melanie said that she was devastated when police contacted her. Speaking.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah, but devastated. Why? Because he's dead or because he was found?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I know. She's like, damn it, I thought those suitcases were gonna sink.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah. Why would a suitcase sink?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't know. Well, because here's the thing. I think people think that when you put body parts in a suitcase and you throw it into the Chesapeake Bay, that because it's heavy, that it will sink to the bottom. But that doesn't happen, because what happens is the body, it, like, bloats. It, like, it becomes full of air and stuff, and then it floats up to the top.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

That was a pretty good description of.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

No, but that's why. That's why people put bricks and cement. They, like, when they throw bodies into the water, they attach cement blocks.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

She's an idiot.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah. So she didn't do enough due diligence. No, is my point. After authorities identified Bill's body, Melanie said that she was devastated. And then speaking to ABC News, she recalled that she burst into tears and probably saw for about an hour or so. That is a quote. If I.

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[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

How long would you cry if I was found dead?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

An hour. So

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

how long Would you cry if you killed me and then they found me dead?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I would. I would.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Two hours, so.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Jeez. However, the detective who interviewed her afterward described a very different impression of her reaction. Detective Ray Pickle told ABC News that although she appeared to mimic crying, she never had a tear in her eye. So, you know, we've seen that before where people cry like they cry, but there's never. They talk about that with housewives. Do you ever, like, they'll say, like when housewives get emotional, but sometimes there's no. There's no actual tears.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

It's not because of the Botox?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

No. Because Botox doesn't stop your tear ducts.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Doesn't it stop your sweating?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Isn't that what people do in their armpits?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't think.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Even so, if you get Botox around your eyes. No, I don't think.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't think it affects your tear ducts. I think if you're truly emotional, tears should come out.

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[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

The investigation develops this is 2004 to 2005. Melanie claims that Bill had a gambling problem and suggested that he may have owed money to dangerous people. But no Evidence supports this theory. Meanwhile, a medical blanket in one of the suitcases is traced back to the fertility clinic where Melanie worked. Are you keeping track of the evidence? I want you to make a chart in your head and keep track of the evidence.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

So far, it's. The scale is tipping towards guilty.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Okay, so so far we have a.38 caliber revolver that was used, and we've found a medical blanket in the suitcases that apparently could be tracked back to the fertility clinic where she works as a nurse.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Right. And it's tied. Yeah, it's not just. I'm guessing it's not just a blanket that looks like. Like a standard blanket that's used at medical facilities. They probably, you know, they somehow matched it to the same. Like it's the same fabric, it's the same everything.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Or maybe it just was stamped with a fertility clinic's name.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Maybe. Yeah, she was. She had a history of stealing blankets from the facility.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Then the investigators uncover that Melanie was having a two year affair with Dr. Bradley Miller, who was also married. According to People magazine, Melanie told ABC News that she was deeply in love with her co worker, but that they had no plans to divorce their spouses because the children come first.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Didn't she file for divorce?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, that was after he. He was found dead.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

She's like, I don't want to be married to a dead guy. File for divorce.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Oxygen. True Crime reported that the doctor had an alibi for his whereabouts during the murder and allowed police to secretly record his phone calls with Melanie.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

What was his alibi? Do we know?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

You know, I don't know what his alibi was.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Like. I was with my other mistress.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

She could testify.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Police learn that Melanie purchased a.38 caliber revolver days before Bill disappeared.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Guilty. Her timing is terrible.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

It really is.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Again, I mean, the blankets, the gun just before closing on a house, and then he's dead and missing, and then files for divorce when his sketch is all over the media.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Right. Authorities also find Internet searches on her computer. Do you want to guess? I'll just let you guess. What do you think the Internet searches are?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

How many suitcases do I need to put a body in it?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Oh, that's a good one. Do another one.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I don't know how to kill a man. I don't know how to file for divorce. After you've murdered your husband.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah, those are all good. I like those. Yours are better.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Well, what is it?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Undetectable poisons and how to commit murder.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

How to delete my search history.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

All right, then. In June of 2005. Melanie is arrested and charged with first degree murder. Then she doesn't go to trial until 2007. So her trial begins in 2007. Okay, first of all, there is no smoking gun as far as. As.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah, but this is pretty some. This is some strong circumstantial evidence.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

It is all. It is all circumstances. Pretty strong, but it's very strong. But it is all circumstantial. So let's just go through the circumstantial evidence, because then there's more. Oh, there's more. Yeah, I want to. I want to go through it because I made a list. So I want to talk about the list of circumstantial evidence, and then I will tell you why I am not 100% convinced.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

All right. So the suitcases that were used were tracked back to her own personal set.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

They had her name tags on them.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

They were engraved. No, it was a Michael Kors set that.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Okay. But they traced the suitcases to being hers. They could have been purchasing. You know, they could have looked up the history. I don't know. She probably bought it same day she bought a gun. They're like, here's a receipt for a gun and three suitcases.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Right. You know, I don't know. I did try to look into that, and I read multiple articles about this, but I could never. I couldn't. So if anybody out there knows, I do like it when you guys DM me and give me more information about cases. I do appreciate that. I've had several people. They'll have personal connections to the cases that we talk about, and some people will DM me and give me more information about cases. And I love it when you guys do that. So if anyone knows how they trace back this Michael Kors set of suitcases back to Melanie, I would love to know that. Other than if it was just something where they found the receipt or found her purchasing them on. On video. I don't know. Bullets from a.38 caliber were found in the body. There were three bullets. And then a receipt for the purchase of the.38 caliber gun was found. She purchased it, like, a couple days before he disappeared. Wad cutter bullets were used, and Melanie also purchased wad cutter bullets. I don't know what wad cutter means. I assume I've never heard that word before, but I assume that's just a type of bullet. Wad cutter.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Wad cutter.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

W a D. I'm going to guess

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

C U T T E R wild. Cutter. I guess it's just a Type of bullet. I don't know. Again, I don't know a lot about.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I think it's just a specific bullet. I don't think it matters in terms of how outside or anything.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Okay. A couch fiber was found on a bullet in the victim's chest. And then that couch fiber was traced back to a throw pillow from their personal couches in their home.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

You know, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like. Because a lot of times with these cases, there's a lot of fiber analysis. And even when I watch, you know, because I've seen every episode of Forensic Files, they always do like a fiber analysis back to like a car seat and the fiber matches the car seat. And I don't know if I really feel like fiber analysis is a real.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

It's not like DNA or if it's

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

like a junk science. I don't know if it's like a junk science.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I don't think it's a junk science. But I certainly think you can have some doubt. And you know what I mean? Like, just like they used to match hairs. Remember before DNA, they would match hairs. But that's really not. I wouldn't call it junk science, but certainly is.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, it's not definitive.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

It's just more of like these hairs are similar. Yeah. Or this fiber is similar. I don't know. It's. You're. It's not.

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[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I just looked it up.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yes.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

These suitcases.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Oh, you wanted to know that, didn't you?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Were sold that model suitcase or whatever was sold. It is a three piece set. Yes, it's a three piece set at Walmarts.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

And they went and searched Walmarts and they got video of her purchasing the suitcases two days prior.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Oh, my gosh. She purchased the suitcases two days prior. Yeah. And the gun a couple days prior.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

And then filed for divorce after he's found. Yes.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

All right, so we are. And then we talked about the computer searches. Don't forget that she needed to do

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

more Internet searches because clearly, I mean, her. She's terrible at this.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, she needs to do Internet searches, but not on her home computer. She needs to go somewhere else and do Internet searches.

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[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Like on a burner computer.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah, she needs a burner computer somewhere. And again, the computer searches were undetectable. Poison, how to commit murder. And also there were computer searches on chloral hydrate, which is used as a sedative, as well as how to illegally obtain firearms. And illegally obtaining firearms must have been very difficult for her. To figure out because she did just. She purchased a gun. Chloral hydrate is a sedative hypnotic drug primarily used for short term treatment of insomnia and as a pediatric sedative for procedures. It's known for its rapid onset and it acts as a central nervous system depressant. So basically I think she probably because the timeline of his cell phone the night he disappeared, they, the forensics showed that there was like a phone call that came in at 3 and then a phone call that came in at 4 or 5, something like that. And he answered all of those phone calls. And then I believe there was a phone call that came in around like 6pm from the seller of the house. Because remember they just closed on a house and they were excited about this new home.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

And he didn't answer that phone call. And they had said that he always, he was always on his phone. He had a BlackBerry or something and he always had it and he was always on it. And he had never missed a call from the seller, seller with this whole transaction. So they think as far as like the time of death, it would have been somewhere in there where he picked up the phone, picked up the phone, picked up the phone and then at 6pm didn't answer the phone. And the chloral hydrate would have been a sedative. Right. So I don't know, I mean in this made for TV movie I watched, which I'm not a big fan of recreations, I like documentaries or they interview people or they show police body cam footage.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Except for the Amanda case. You like that one?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I did like the Amanda Knox case, but that's because she was involved.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Right. I just wanted to make that clear. That was a different one.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

That was. But this one, I, I watched it, but I really don't usually like.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

You watch it lightly. Right. You don't take it too seriously.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

But it did show them like where she, you know, gave him some wine. So I don't know, maybe the, the assumption is. Or the allegation is that she put some of that chloral hydrate in his, in his drink, you know, so that, I mean he was a big guy. She was petite. So we have to remember that. I believe she was very petite. Like she was like.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

She's like a one suitcase and he's like a three piece.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Right. That's how we're going to define how large people are. Now, if they're.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I would be a.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

You're a one suitcase.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

How many suitcases would you be?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, right now, currently I'm. I'm a one and a half. I'm a one and a carry on. I'm a one. I'm a one and a carry on. You're a one.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I'm a one. I'm a duffel bag.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah, you're a duffel bag. Yes, you are. All right, anyway, back to the chloral hydrate. They think she gave him some type of sedative because he was a big guy. All right. Trash bags were also found that were similar to the ones in her apartment. You know, they do that trash bag analysis. I always see that on Forensic Files, too. Have you seen that?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah, but what part about it?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, it's like when it's on the assembly line.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

With the dyes and stuff.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Right.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

It makes, like, certain patterns or striations on the trash bags.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

And then it's never perfect, but. But they'll be small, right.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Adjust small differences, right?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Like flaws or something or just characteristics. And then that will exist for a while. Right? So like, if you're gonna punch out something, you know, like with a stamp, right, There might be a little. Little imperfection somewhere. And it'll be on that constantly while they're using the same mold or whatever. So in this plastic bag case, there might. It's. It's a solute. It's a. It's a formula. And I might have some imperfection, not say it's imperfect, but some. Some slight variation. And it might last for a while. It might only come from this factory. And this factory then delivers to these, you know, Walmarts or whatever. So then they can kind of narrow it down.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Right.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

And that's how the suitcase was. I was reading the suitcase. It was. It. I think she left the retail tag or something on it and.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Wait, how. How she left the tag on?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Are we still questioning whether she's dumb or not?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I just. It just gets worse.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

So they were able to then know where it was because it's like they have UPC codes also, right? Universal product codes. So then they. Then they can kind of narrow down where it was bought. So then it strengthens this circumstantial evidence that, okay, yeah, it's a Walmart bag, but it's only sold at these Walmarts where she shops. And then she bought it. Blah, blah, blah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Right. So what they. So the bodies that were found or the body parts that were found in the suitcases were wrapped in trash bags so they could trace the trash bags.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Were they also purchased with the suitcase?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Maybe.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

So they trace it back to her house?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, they. They could. They trace it back to. Yes, to the ones that were. They were similar to the ones in her apartment. They had the same dye, same striation lines. It links back to the same Max manufacturer, the same assembly line on the same day. Right, so that's how they could link that back. We already talked about it. But there was the medical blanket that was found inside the suitcase that they could link back to fertility clinic where she worked. She was caught on camera moving his car. Because, remember, earlier I said, is there

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

anything that, like, she was able to conceal in this case?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

So, remember I talked about earlier, how they found his car the following day parked in a casino parking lot? Because clearly her story was a gambling problem. Had a gambling problem and, like, he owed debts to the mob or something. Right? So some mobsters and the mob.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

The mob tends to have Michael Kors suitcases places.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Right? Yes, they. They love Michael Kors.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

They shop at Walmart all the time.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Love it. So she was caught on camera moving his car. She also forged a prescription for the chloral hydrate, which we talked about earlier, which was the sedative, and she picked it up at Walgreens after dropping her kids off at daycare.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Okay, and you still have doubt that.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna tell you why. Also, human flesh was found in Bill's car, and they made a distinction. They call it human flesh because you can find DNA cells. Right, In a car. Yeah, like, you could go in our car right now, and there's DNA all over my car. Right? Yeah, but this wasn't DNA like skin cells. This was, like, chunks, you know, like humans.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Okay. As opposed to like, little. Little dead skin cells. Yes.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Right. And she filed for divorce after his remains were found. She was also having. This is all the circumstantial evidence against. Against her. I just.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

She should have filed for divorce before killing him and then not kill him.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah, that would have been a better.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Instead, she was like, this murder didn't work. I can never get rid of this guy. I gotta file for divorce.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

She. Then there was also the long affair that she had with Dr. Bradley.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Did he have a. Did he have an insurance policy?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't think that there was any.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

So maybe she was holding off for the divorce.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't think there was any financial motive, really. I think she just wanted it. I think she hated it there. She wasn't getting anything.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

You're right. I don't think she was very fond of him.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

No, I think she I. But I'm saying people murder for money. I don't think there was any financial motive. I think she just wanted him gone.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Is there a reason why he wanted she wanted him gone? Do we know abuse? Or was it just like she had an affair and she just wants this someone else?

[Bombas Comfort Line Announcer]

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[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, it talks about how she has an affair, but if you watch the made for a TV movie or whatever it it claims it alleges that he was also having affairs. Like affairs with his students. Like he was a womanizer.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Are there kids here?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Two. Yeah, they had two sons.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Like little kids. Minors or adult children?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

No, they were minors at the time. She dropped them off at daycare. Remember? After she forged the prescription, dropped it off at Walgreens, went to pick up the chloral hydrate and then she took her kids to daycare.

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[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

The state received evidence by anonymous communications pointing to people other than Melanie as

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

all coming from the same phone number as Bill's murderer.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

The state alleged that these anonymous.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

What did she, she calls, she's like, hi, this is Melanie. I mean, this is anonymous. I'd like to report a murder.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

You don't even let me get through

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

this because this is stupid. That.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Why are we even going.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

She did it. Okay, keep going.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

The state alleged that these anonymous communications were further evidence of the defendant's guilt because she or someone acting on her behalf was their source. So. Wow, that's. Okay. So that was a long list of the circumstantial evidence against her when she goes to trial In April of 2007, she is convicted of first degree murder and weapons related charges. She is found not guilty on four additional counts involving anonymous communications. I guess they could never.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

And littering in the Chesapeake Bay.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah, littering. Let me talk about one thing, because this is why I'm only at 98. And I know you think that's ridiculous.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

It is ridiculous.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

It is ridiculous because of all the circumstantial evidence and she clearly is not bright and she did not do her due diligence. She's buying suitcases and guns on camera. She's got caught driving his car and leaving it.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Oh, the prescriptions.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I know everything. I'm just baffled by this. She gave him a sedative, right? Because he's a big guy. He, he falls.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

That's the circumstantial evidence, right?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

He falls asleep. Whatever. They're in their apartment. They're at their apartment. That's the last place he has seen and that's the last place he picks up the phone. So we know that he's physically located in their apartment. Okay. She shoots him three times, Once in the head and twice in the chest. So he's dead. They're okay again. They're in their apartment. She dismembers the man in their apartment.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Okay, I'm gonna guess there's no signs of blood or anything in the apartment.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

There is no forensic evidence found in their apartment. Nothing.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

So how is that, how do we know what happened in the apartment if there's no evidence, how do we know what happened in the apartment? I, I, you're assuming. Unless you have a reason to think that.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I'm assuming because it said that according to, like, his cell phone data, he picked up the phone in his, their apartment. At like 4 and 5pm and then he missed a call at 6. Well, how does she. Where, where is the body? She dismembers. First of all, I cannot think of anything more vile and gruesome than dismembering a large man's body. She is a small, petite woman. She shoots him three times and then she dismembers him with her two kids there.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

How do you know the two kids were there?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't know the two kids were there, but I don't know where they would have been.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

You insert all these facts and then you say you have doubt.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

No, I don't know the kids are

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

there and we don't know the kids.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't know if the kids were there or not.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I do know for a fact that his body was dismembered. It was chopped up into. And his legs are cut off and his arms are cut off and his body parts were drained of blood.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Wow.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

How does someone do that? And it has to be inside her apartment. Where else could she have done this? She didn't do it at a neighbor's house. She didn't do it in the backyard. She didn't do it. Had to have been in their home.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

And you're telling me. I have watched every forensic file and all you have to do, you get a little paper cut and you squirt some luminol and it's gonna light up. I don't care.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Does she have more plastic trash bags that she laid out?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't know.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Well, you gotta. Okay, first of all, he. If he died this way, he died without any, any trauma. Like, like flesh and blood everywhere, Right?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, I would assume there's flesh and she just.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Oh, yeah, she shot. Yeah, I know, but I'm shot. But my, my thinking is it, let's say he. Okay, but with the medication, he passes out and he's okay. He's passed out of commission. Okay, now she can roll out the plastic bags, get it all ready, shoot him, blah, blah, blah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

How do you dismember somebody and not. There is not a single drop of blood in that house.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

It's the only thing she did right.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

And the body was drained of blood. Where did the blood go?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Well, and, and we know it was drained of blood before. It wasn't just like it naturally.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I. All I read in every article I read, it was that the body was dismembered, it was cut into three pieces, put in three suitcases, and the body was drained of blood.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

And you're telling me that there is not a single ounce of forensic evidence against this woman. That when you squirt luminol in her apartment, it doesn't light up like the 4th of July. How is that possible? There isn't one drop somewhere that she missed. And she. How did she dismember him? She had to use a chainsaw.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Oh, I'd tell you how. She's a nurse. She probably had access to medical equipment.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

And how gross is that?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Oh, it's disgusting.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

How, how. And also, she's a small woman. She's petite. And he's a big guy. I think he was over 6 foot. He's like 250 or something. This is a big guy. How does she carry the body parts? And she puts them into the suitcases. And then how does she get the suitcase?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

But now I'm starting to wish I was a bigger guy. Because then you'd have more of a tough time.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Oh, you would be easy. It would be very easy.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Duffel bag.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yes, but I'm just saying that is the only thing that is very mind boggling. I understand. The loads and loads of circumstantial evidence against her. It's just completely stacked up. I mean, it's ridiculous. There's so much of it. But the fact that this man was dismembered inside their apartment, put in three suitcases. She is a small, petite woman, and there is not. And there is not a drop of blood within that apartment. Either she had some type of accomplice that helped her.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Or. I don't know. I just. I don't understand it. That's the only doubt that is in my mind. Maybe. What?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I don't know. I don't know. But that's not enough for me to say she didn't do it. Okay, so. So what? She outsmarted you? She had plastic lining everywhere? Or she drove him to a park and then dismembered him and shot him. Who knows?

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

She's in the middle of a park.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I don't know.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I don't know either.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

I don't know. But I'm saying. But it's if, if so, okay. In the middle of a field. You know what I'm saying? She took him out remotely somewhere and did the deed. Who knows? But that's not enough to say she didn't do it.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I. I'm not saying she didn't do it.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

You are. You said 2%.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Well, there's the 2%. That is. I just don't understand the forensic. I don't understand how the body is dismembered by the small, petite woman. And the body is drained of blood. And there's not an ounce of blood.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

But there's so much other evidence that is too coincidental. Way too coincidental.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

No, I know.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

That shows her intent, her behavior.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

To that. It's like, okay, so she got this one right.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

How did she get the hardest part correct, but the, the easy part of like not buying a suitcase and leaving the tag on it and because she

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

probably focused on this, she probably thought, this is important. I need to not have blood everywhere. Yeah, I didn't think about anything else, so.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Since 2007, Melanie has been serving her sentence at Edna Mahan Correctional facility in Clinton, N.J. in 2017, an appeal challenging how computer evidence was handled is denied. Then In September of 2020, Melanie did an interview on ABC's 2020 and maintains her innocence. She said that she is afraid to hope for release. Then in 2022, a Lifetime movie about the case titled the Suitcase killer, the Melanie McGuire Story, is released and later becomes available on Netflix. That's what I watch. So if anybody's interesting, I'm interested in watching it. It's currently on Netflix. Again, it's called the Suitcase killer, the Melanie McGuire story. I'm not a big fan of recreations because whenever they do recreations,

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

they make it like, yeah, they change facts.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

And they did that in.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Or they might be like, oh, this part boring. Let's highlight that a little bit better. Or ignore this part.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I like documentaries cuz I. I feel like at least they do a better job of sticking to the facts, interviewing people who are involved, showing body.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

What was that one that we watched? Yeah, they brought in like, like, you're like the.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

No, they changed the whole timeline.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

You're like, the housekeeper's dead, yet she's in the entire film.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I didn't like that. I was like, I can't believe that they made this whole.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

And they made her a key part too.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

Yes.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Like she was helping the kids or

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

whatever, driving them places.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah, I was like, she had died years before. Like she. They changed the whole timeline.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

I know that bothered me to no end. But anyway, anyway, it's called the Suitcase Killer. So if you're interested. And again, if anyone has any more information about Melanie McGuire and how she got the body into the suitcases and did not leave any blood, DNA, forensics, anything in that apartment, please let me know because I would love to hear your theory. So I. Because that is just keeping me up at night.

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yeah. Apparently Emily wants to know how to avoid having blood everywhere while dishonor, know

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

a spouse how this ding dong who made all of these mistakes got that part right. That's what I want to know. So if anyone has any ideas, please let me know. And again you guys, please follow us. It's Legally Brunette. Also, just a reminder that all of our episodes are on our own feed. So if you want to listen to all of our episodes, please follow Legally Brunette. And we do have episodes that go into two T's but not all of them are there. And again, thank you so much for listening. Please tell your friends and family and

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

we appreciate you Petition for divorce, not murder.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

That was your end thought?

[Host 2 (Legally Brunette Podcast Co-Host)]

Yes.

[Host 1 (Legally Brunette Podcast Host)]

And again, until death do us part. Just a friendly reminder that divorce is always the better options. Thank you.

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