Trump “Knew About The Girls”

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Trump 'Knew About The Girls'"

Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present (iHeartPodcasts)
Date: November 12, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this consequential episode, Amy Robach and TJ Holmes unpack breaking news implicating Donald Trump in new Jeffrey Epstein revelations, centering on the release of three bombshell email exchanges by House Committee Democrats. These emails—now part of an official Congressional document dump—allegedly link Trump more directly to Epstein’s circle, challenge his previous denials, and offer a rare window into behind-the-scenes conversations involving Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, journalist Michael Wolff, and Trump himself. The hosts analyze the content, timing, and political implications of the leaks, the White House response, and broader questions of conspiracy and truth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Background: Longstanding Doubts & Lack of Transparency

• Amy and TJ provide context about Trump’s previous statements on ending his friendship with Epstein after learning of his "creepy" behavior, noting the lack of transparency in official investigations.
• Reference to Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein’s most notable accusers, and the skepticism that victims and the public have truly learned "the whole truth."
• The significance of these new emails: “This is probably the first damning, slash smoking gun connecting Trump to Epstein beyond just a friendship.” (Amy Robach, 03:19)

2. The Three Newly Released Emails

• Sourced from the House Oversight Committee’s Democratic members; released as the government shutdown ends, prompting questions about political timing.
• Key Point: These are private communications never intended for public view—therefore, the hosts view them as fundamentally more honest and revealing.

a) Email #1: Epstein & Maxwell (April 2, 2011)

• Summary: Epstein references Trump directly, mentioning a (redacted) victim who spent hours at Epstein’s house with Trump.
• Notable Quote:
  Epstein: “‘That dog that has embarked is Trump a victim. We didn’t have the name victim spent hours at my house with him...’”
  Analysis: Amy asks, “Why would someone not want to say that?”—questioning Trump’s silence on what he may have observed (08:59).

b) Email #2: Michael Wolff & Epstein (December 15-16, 2015)

• Summary: Michael Wolff appears to coach Epstein on potential responses should Trump be confronted about their association, hinting at leveraging the relationship for political currency.
• Notable Quotes:
  • Wolff: “I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn’t been on the plane or to the House... you can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you... It generates a debt.” (Approx. 09:26-10:36)
  • TJ’s analysis: “You can blackmail the President… because of what you know… the implication is, you know, that he knows…” (11:19)
  • Amy’s reaction: “Wow, that one is frightening.” (09:26)

c) Email #3: Epstein to Wolff (January 31, 2019)

• Summary: Epstein writes, referencing Mar-a-Lago, stating pointedly: “Trump said, he asked me to resign. Never a member ever. Of course, he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.”
• Notable Quotes:
  • Epstein: “‘Of course, he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.’” (12:56)
  • Amy: “That is the most damning of the three. Yes, they're all pretty awful, but this one makes me feel physically ill.” (13:34)

3. Political Motive, Document Dump & Partisanship

• Timing: Democrats released their selection first; Republicans responded by dumping all 20,000+ pages at once.
• TJ: “You can certainly take issue with their tactics, their timing, but you cannot deny what is actually there... This stuff is legit.” (24:10-25:07)

4. The White House Response

• Spokesperson Carolyn Levitt’s statement:
  • Claims: The emails were selectively leaked for a “fake narrative,” identify the redacted victim as the late Virginia Giuffre (who “repeatedly said President Trump was not involved in any wrongdoing whatsoever and couldn’t have been friendlier to her in their limited interactions”), and maintains Trump expelled Epstein from Mar-a-Lago “decades ago for being a creep to his female employees, including Giuffre.”
  • Dismissal: Describes the story as a distraction from the end of the government shutdown and Trump’s “historic accomplishments.” (25:07-26:10)
  • Amy’s take: “That’s also distracting from what the implication is. The implication is knowing what was going on and doing nothing about it and denying that you knew.” (26:20)
  • TJ: “So, what is that supposed to mean? If they say the victim there is Virginia Giuffre.” (27:04)
  • Amy: “It seems difficult to, to put those two things together.” (28:02)

5. No Denial of Email Authenticity—Just Spin

• Amy and TJ note that no one, including conspiracy theorists or the White House, is disputing the authenticity of the emails—just offering competing interpretations, explanations, and diversions (14:56).
• The emails are part of a large, subpoenaed set and not “randomly produced.”

6. Analysis of Michael Wolff’s Role

• Amy expresses surprise that Wolff, having written extensively about Trump as an adversarial journalist and author, never incorporated these emails into his books or reporting. His response to CNN is that he does not recall the specifics; his motivations and knowledge are unclear (28:26).

7. Where Does This Leave Us?

• The hosts underline the gravity and ambiguity these emails add to the Trump-Epstein narrative, noting the evidence doesn’t prove Trump committed crimes, but strongly suggests he was aware of and silent about wrongdoing.
• TJ: “There is more to President Trump in this relationship and what we know about what he knows. And this makes it feel worse.” (16:01)
• Broader point: The truth, as always, is complicated and clouded by politics, but this episode marks an escalation in what is publicly documented.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Amy Robach (on the final email):
  “That is the most damning of the three. Yes, they're all pretty awful, but this one makes me feel physically ill.” (13:34)

• TJ Holmes:
  “You can blackmail the President… because of what you know… the implication is, you know, that he knows…” (11:19)

• Amy Robach (on the political atmosphere):
  “They've been working feverishly to connect Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein... and now to have these emails come out, it does make connecting those dots seem a little easier.” (06:51)

• TJ Holmes:
  “…these are emails that neither Jeffrey Epstein nor Michael Wolf thought, would anyone ever see the light of day.” (12:22)

• Amy Robach:
  “I'm not surprised, but I am sickened.” (15:56)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:19] First damning link—Amy on significance of the emails
• [07:41 – 09:18] Epstein-Maxwell email unpacked: “spent hours at my house with him”
• [09:26 – 11:05] Michael Wolff to Epstein: political PR, “let him hang himself,” debt creation
• [12:56 – 13:34] Final, most direct Epstein email: “he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop”
• [25:07 – 26:10] White House official response read and analyzed
• [26:20 – 28:02] Is the victim really Virginia Giuffre? Hosts challenge White House logic
• [28:26] Questioning Michael Wolff’s silence, journalistic ethics

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Conclusion

This episode of “Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes Present” is a raw, charged dissection of explosive new evidence tying Trump closer to Epstein’s crimes, contextualized by seasoned journalists who grapple with the facts, the spin, and the implications for American politics and culture.
For listeners seeking a clear sense of what’s changed in the Epstein-Trump saga—and what still remains uncertain—this episode is essential.

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Transcript

[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

Today, the murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[TJ Holmes]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Amy Robach]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein.

[TJ Holmes]

And on the new season of Heavyweight. And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old and a centenarian rediscovers a lost 80 years ago.

[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

Listen to season two of Family Therapy every Wednesday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there folks. It is Wednesday, November 12th and a breaking story. On this story, Trump, quote, knew about the girls. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Ropes. That is a direct quote from an email exchange involving Jeffrey Epstein. Some emails were just released, and these might be bombshells. Ropes.

[Amy Robach]

They are bombshells. This is probably the first damning, slash smoking gun connecting Trump to Epstein beyond just a friendship. He's always said that his friendship ended before any of this was going on. And once he realized Jeffrey Epstein was being, quote, unquote, a creep to some of his employees, he kicked him out and their friendship ended. So this would fly in the face of that.

[TJ Holmes]

It flies in the face of that because Rove is very easy for people to get in front of a microphone and say, hey, this didn't happen. I didn't know him. We weren't close. And people can have all kinds of he said, she said. These are emails that go back a decade plus, people talking in private, not ever thinking these are going to get released. This is giving us insight and, quite frankly, some truth, the way we've never necessarily seen it before in this story, certainly the way it goes with their relationship, Epstein and Trump.

[Amy Robach]

Look, I know that there are conspiracy theorists out there, abound, but there has always been a glaring lack of transparency. And so when President Trump said he was going to actually lift the veil on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, that he was going to have his people interview Ghislaine and we were going to get to the bottom of things when if we got what we received, what the Trump administration allowed to be released, there was nothing of any consequence, truly or substance, that we didn't already know. And to be told there is nothing else when these girls are saying there's a lot more. When we have Virginia Giuffre posthumously, but even in the decades leading up to her untimely death, was saying there's more to this story. And now we get these emails, and.

[TJ Holmes]

What we're talking about, folks, is three emails. So here we are, we're recording this midday, before even noon here on this Wednesday. Emails just dropped from the House Oversight Committee. We're talking about three email exchanges in particular. Now, I say the House Oversight Committee, but we're talking about the Democrats on this House Oversight Committee that have been subpoenaing documents from the Jeffrey Epstein estate. This is a part of that stack of documents. And now there are plenty more documents, but the Democrats decided they only wanted to release these in particular. Now, Ropes, you don't even have to be cynical on this one. Today, on the day there just happened to be ending the longest shutdown in government history. The whole narrative might be possibly changing in D.C. correct?

[Amy Robach]

I mean, look, the end of the shutdown is certainly good news for federal workers, for people who have air travel over the next few days and weeks and months. But certainly this isn't a good thing for Democrats. Most Democrats are upset. They lost. They have egg on their face. They took this stand only to surrender and get nothing in return. So now if you can shift the narrative, if you can now get everyone not talking about that and instead talking about President Trump, this is one hell of a way to do it.

[TJ Holmes]

What was like the House Oversight Committee, the House that ain't been at work in two months.

[Amy Robach]

Some of them have been working feverishly, just not on reopening the government. They've been working feverishly to connect Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein as they have been. Look, we have been doing podcasts on some of what they have been releasing and they've been releasing and clearly trying to connect the dots that what's happening with Ghislaine Maxwell and the seemingly preferential treatment she's been receiving and the fact that he hasn't ruled out pardoning her as some sort of sweetheart backdoor deal that's going on. And now to have these emails come out, it does make connecting those dots seem a little easier.

[TJ Holmes]

All right, we're going to give you directly, without interpretation, at least at first, and let you hear what these emails are. Now, there are three exchanges. We will read them verbatim to you.

[Amy Robach]

Okay, so this first exchange is between Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and It is dated April 2, 2011. So this is after his sweetheart deal. This is after he got off with really a slap on the wrist, truly, for all that had already been known, Jeffrey Epstein writes this. I want you to realize that that dog that has embarked is Trump a victim. We didn't have the name victim spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police chief, etc. I'm 75% there. Ghislaine Maxwell writes back. I have been thinking about that.

[TJ Holmes]

Some stuff in there not exactly clear what they're a reference to. Now, victim, the name is redacted. We're going to get into who the White House in their response says they believe the person being mentioned. They flat out come out and say this victim's name in their response. Will read you their full response. But ropes. How damning is that? This victim spent hours at my house with Donald Trump. This is dated 2011.

[Amy Robach]

And saying that Trump has chosen not to talk or not to tell on Jeffrey Epstein or say that he knew of or had witnessed anything. Why would someone not want to say that? They could add to the investigation or give more information, dot, dot.

[TJ Holmes]

Now we'll get to the second email exchange here. Now this one, we're taking them in chronological order here. But this was many, many years later in 2015.

[Amy Robach]

This is an exchange between author and journalist Michael Wolff and Jeffrey Epstein. It is dated December 15th and 16th and 16th of 2015. So Michael Wolf sends this to Jeffrey Epstein. I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you, either on air or in scrum afterward. Jeffrey Epstein, if we were able to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be? Michael Wolff responds, I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the House, then that gives you valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you or if it really looks like he could win, if you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. Wow, that one is frightening.

[TJ Holmes]

It's, it's, it's frightening, it's damning for Michael Wolfe, is it not? His name is being thrown around a lot and he is absolutely trending as we speak. Now, he did give a response, at least according to cnn, to them about it, saying, I don't quite remember the context, but I was engaged then in an in depth conversation with Epstein about his relationship with Trump. And the, this seems to be part of that conversation. That was his response.

[Amy Robach]

This one is this looks like he was collaborating with, conspiring with, advising with, and looking to use Trump to gain some sort of advantage.

[TJ Holmes]

Is this what all that city in the world really is in politics? He is actually saying to him that you, you can actually work this thing.

[Amy Robach]

To your favor, you can blackmail the.

[TJ Holmes]

President, you can act because of what you know, which is what it's the.

[Amy Robach]

Implication is, you know, that he knows. And just by him knowing, even if he didn't do anything, participate in any illegal activity, knowing and not acknowledging it, distancing yourself from something that you were in the middle of, all of that obviously would be damning as hell to President Trump. And look, this is while he is running for his first term in office. And to think that they were both saying, hey, and if he becomes president, that could actually work to our advantage because we could have him owing us.

[TJ Holmes]

They want him to deny it. They're saying if he comes out and denies all this stuff in public, you are golden because you know it's a lie.

[Amy Robach]

It generates a debt that's tough. Generates a debt that is such a frightening phrase that was written. And again, these are emails that neither Jeffrey Epstein nor Michael Wolf thought, would anyone ever see the light of day.

[TJ Holmes]

The last exchange here was dated January 31, 2019. So again, many years later, this was between. You know what, looking at this date, 2019. When did he die?

[Amy Robach]

He died. He. Epstein died by suicide in 2019. 2019. He died that same year. He died in. I believe it was the summer of 2019. It might have been August.

[TJ Holmes]

Yeah, just July or August. It is just coming to mind. So this appears to be the year that he passed. January 31, 2019, is when this email exchange is dated. But it's not an exchange, it's just one way. An email the Democrats released from Jeffrey Epstein to the author, Michael Wolf. You have a victim's name redacted, and then it just says Mar a lago. Then you have something else redacted. And then it continues from Jeffrey Epstein to Michael Wolfe, saying, trump said, he asked me to resign. Never a member ever. Of course, he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.

[Amy Robach]

That is the most damning of the three. Yes, they're all pretty awful, but this one makes me feel physically ill. It really does. It actually. It makes me emotional because no one believed these girls. No one believed Virginia. And she was pointing the finger at Ghislaine. She was pointing the finger at Epstein. And to think. And she said, powerful people know what he's doing. And he is very much making it clear to all of us girls that he is so connected with so many powerful people. We can't tell anyone and no one will believe us. And even if they did, they won't be able to do anything about it because of who his friends are. So to see this in writing is really, really awful.

[TJ Holmes]

This is years ago. I'm not exactly sure at this point, Romes, most people listening have a general idea of this story and what it's about and can hear these emails for themselves and can piece it together and already know, oh, that's bad. It doesn't need that much context. And it's hard to understand the defense for this or the explanation. Now, you've been looking around, we've both been trying to get as much done on the Story as we can can. Have you seen anywhere? You mentioned conspiracy theories earlier and the theorists out there, there's no one trying to say this is fake or these were made up emails, right?

[Amy Robach]

No, because, no, I haven't seen that anywhere. And my point being that some people were acting as though some of the girls, some of the other folks who were demanding transparency were believing or buying into conspiracy theories. When the truth is, I think we know when we're not getting all the truth. And I think everybody felt uneasy about that fact that we weren't getting the whole truth, that it was being suppressed. And so seeing these emails 100% confirms that. So anyone who wanted to throw conspiracy theorists at the folks who were actually demanding or looking for the truth here.

[TJ Holmes]

Is exhibit A. I guess these are dated literally a decade plus ago. Exchanges from people in private that never thought these would make it to the light of day, who are speaking honestly to each other about some pretty awful stuff. I don't know how we can take these as anything other than the truth being exchanged from people in private.

[Amy Robach]

Yeah, and look, I'm not surprised, but I am sickened.

[TJ Holmes]

I, I, what is it? I, I guess, you know, you want to kind of believe, you want to believe that these folks weren't involved. You want to, you actually want to. And as we never got a hard, concrete evidence and proof right. Of certain things, and even folks were coming out, even Glenn Maxwell, nobody ever said they saw Trump do anything wrong. You want to believe even though you know there's a connection, you want to believe to see this. I, I don't know how this is short of evidence, not that he is a criminal of any kind in any of this, let's make that clear. But there is more to President Trump in this relationship and what we know about what he knows. And this makes it feel worse. It does. But they had an answer for this. Folks, stay here. We come back. We're going to give you the full and lengthy White House response to these new emails. All I know is what I've been told and that to half truth is a whole lie.

[Amy Robach]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[TJ Holmes]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Amy Robach]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[TJ Holmes]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky.

[Amy Robach]

Housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[TJ Holmes]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Amy Robach]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her from Lava for Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[TJ Holmes]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happen to good people and small towns.

[Amy Robach]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts, I'm Jonathan Goldstein.

[TJ Holmes]

And on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart.

[Amy Robach]

How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again?

[TJ Holmes]

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke.

[Amy Robach]

And he got down.

[TJ Holmes]

And I remember feeling kind of a.

[Amy Robach]

Surge of like, okay, this is power.

[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

Look people in the eye, not always.

[Amy Robach]

Hide behind a microphone.

[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

No way.

[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

Forever and ever.

[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe.

[TJ Holmes]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judith Berry and why she received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing.

[Amy Robach]

The men and women who were heard.

[TJ Holmes]

Had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California. They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area. But more than it was the culture, it was the way of life. I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement. Episodes of rip current season two are available now. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there.

[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

I have a new podcast called what Are We Even Doing? Where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture.

[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

And you're maybe my biggest competition on social media.

[TJ Holmes]

Like when a kid says bra to me and how they're navigating this high speed roller coaster we call reality.

[Amy Robach]

In Australia, you're looking out for snakes, spiders and boys, right? Hey, he's no Trey McDougal. This is like the comments section of my Instagram.

[TJ Holmes]

Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday. And let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what are we even doing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy Robach]

Continuing with this breaking news that is coming out of Washington D.C. we are getting three damning emails that the White House, I mean, excuse me, that the White House is now responding to, but that the House Democrats from the House Oversight Committee have released. They have been releasing emails, they've been releasing information as they have been subpoenaing from the Jeffrey Epps Dean estate, trying to get to the truth, trying to find out some answers to questions that remain despite all the investigations, despite all of the information that we've been given, we kind of have all known that there was more. And we were told from the White House that they had to redact and keep certain files private and wouldn't be releasing them because they were protecting victims identities and, and so on and so forth. Okay, but now these three emails come out and they're nothing short of. Well, they're bombshells. They're jaw dropping.

[TJ Holmes]

To add to this story as well. Yes, Democrats released three, three emails out of 20,000 pages. So after the Democrats released this, Republicans came back and then did the entire document dump. So put all 20,000 of the pages out. I don't know when they planned on doing, doing that. But the Democrats did take advantage of a moment and plucked out what they wanted to and got the headlines that they wanted. Now you can certainly take issue with their tactics, their timing, but you cannot deny what is actually there. And again, I was asking you, is anyone trying to say this was. But no, you can't say that because it's part of a big old, big old file of stuff. They didn't just come out of the blue and something random produced. These specifically are a part of subpoenaed items from the Epstein estate. They gave this to our members of Congress. This stuff is legit.

[Amy Robach]

Yes. And so the White House has responded. This came from Carolyn Levitt. Correct. This is what she said in response to these emails. The Democrats selectively leaked emails to the liberal media to create a fake narrative to smear President Trump. The unnamed victim referenced in these emails is the late Virginia Giuffre, who repeatedly said President Trump was not involved in any wrongdoing whatsoever and couldn't have been friendlier to her in their limited interactions. The fact remains that President Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his club decades ago for being a creep to his female employees, including Chouffre. These stories are nothing more than bad faith efforts to distract from President Trump's historic accomplishments. And any American with common sense sees right through this hoax and clear distraction from the government opening back up again.

[TJ Holmes]

Okay, I agree with the line that she says. These stories are efforts to distract from presidents accomplishments.

[Amy Robach]

Sure, of course they are.

[TJ Holmes]

Believe that.

[Amy Robach]

And look, if the victim, the unnamed victim, the redacted name was Virginia Giuffre, it doesn't take away from what the email is implying because Virginia, and from everything I have heard and read, there's not one woman, there's not one young girl. At the time. No one has said that President Trump took part in Any illegal behavior or activity with any woman or underage girl. So that's never been the accusation. So that's also distracting from what the implication is. The implication is knowing what was going on and doing nothing about it and denying that you knew. Well, it's not that he had anything to do specifically with the girls.

[TJ Holmes]

Unnamed victim referenced in these emails is Virginia Giuffre. Well, there's a line in which an unnamed victim spent hours at my house with Trump. That is the line from Jeffrey Epstein. Blank spent hours at my house with him. So what is that supposed to mean? If they say the victim there is Virginia Giuffre.

[Amy Robach]

And Virginia, I will tell you, Virginia, I look, just from the interview I had with her all those years ago, she never once said she spent hours and hours with President Trump. So it would, that would be strange.

[TJ Holmes]

You would think she would get the victim wrong. What I'm saying, is it possible the White House is, of course it's possible, mistaken.

[Amy Robach]

Or they're just choosing to name this victim because she's passed. They can't name someone who's alive. That would be completely inappropriate. So it may be that they're choosing that victim because she can't refute it.

[TJ Holmes]

And she also has an accused. Never accused him.

[Amy Robach]

She has not. And she said he was friendly. She said that the limited interactions she had with him were pleasant. So I don't know, it seems difficult to, to put those two things together.

[TJ Holmes]

And maybe that's a part of the point is non stop confusion. What actually happened, who actually knew what. So here we go. So you think you hear one thing and then I have no idea how they're going to. This story is going to unfold.

[Amy Robach]

I'm also interested. So Michael Wolff, just for folks who don't know, has written four books about the President of the United States. He has been adversarial, I was just gonna say towards this administration and is currently has a lawsuit against Melania Trump. So he's suing Melania Trump because she threatened to sue him. So this is, these are not friendly folks. What I'm curious about is if Michael Wolf had all this information. I don't know if he kept these emails, but he's a part of these email threads. Why he wouldn't have exposed this, why he wouldn't have written about this, why he wouldn't have taken this and talked about it. As a journalist, as an author, that's confusing to me. I know he might not have wanted to be closely tied to Epstein or in some way pulled into this narrative, but that's also confusing to me.

[TJ Holmes]

He is being asked a lot of questions online right now. This, I don't know where this takes us now. I think the story is one right? If you're on this side, you believe this, you're on this side, you believe that. And the truth is somewhere in the middle, probably. But we'll follow this one. There might be an update on this today as there's more fallout, but folks are just wanting to hop in when this news did break. But for now, I'm TJ Holmes along with my partner Amy Robach. We'll talk to y' all soon.

[Amy Robach]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[TJ Holmes]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Amy Robach]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[TJ Holmes]

Join me, Danny Trejo in Tales from the Shadows, an anthology of modern day horror stories inspired by the legends and.

[Amy Robach]

Lore of Latin America.

[TJ Holmes]

Listen to nocturnal tales from the Ship Shadow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Amy Robach]

You know the shade is always shadiest right here. Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryant and Robin Dixon is here dropping every Monday as two of.

[TJ Holmes]

The founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac.

[Amy Robach]

We're giving you all the laughs, drama and reality news you can handle.

[TJ Holmes]

And you know we don't hold back.

[Amy Robach]

So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday.

[TJ Holmes]

Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app.

[Amy Robach]

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Jenna World, Jenna Jameson, Vivid Video and the Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry. Molly I'm Molly Lambert and I'll be your tour guide on a wild trip through adult films. We get paid more than the men. We call the shots. In what way is that degrading? That's us taking hold of our life. Listen to Gentle world on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Rejuan. And this week on our podcast, Hungry for History, we talk oysters. Plus the Miambi Chief stops by if you're not an oyster lover.

[TJ Holmes]

Don't even talk to me.

[Amy Robach]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster?

[TJ Holmes]

No way.

[Amy Robach]

Bring back the Ostron. Listen to Hungry for history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iheart pod.