E425 Our Pancake Era and Cosmic Sleep Mysteries

Summary

Podcast Summary: And That's Why We Drink – Episode E425: Our Pancake Era and Cosmic Sleep Mysteries

Release Date: March 30, 2025
Hosts: Christine Schiefer and Em Schultz

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1. Travel Tales and Personal Adventures

Christine Schiefer’s Solo Journey
Christine opens the episode by sharing her solo travel experiences across Oregon. She describes her unique accommodation in a train caboose at Railroad Park Lodge, highlighting the charming wood paneling, a cozy fireplace, and a bathtub. Despite the allure, Christine faces challenges, including navigating a blizzard without tire chains. Reflecting on her resilience, she states:

“After that snowbank incident, I feel invincible. I'm like, you could throw me in a snowbank and I'd be like, been there, done that.”
[05:05]

She also humorously recounts creating a cheese board and ordering Taco Bell to make the most of her stay, emphasizing her desire to stay indoors due to the frigid weather.

Em Schultz’s Portland Exploration
Em discusses his time in Portland, Oregon, navigating the city's eclectic vibe and visiting various creepy-themed bars. He mentions establishments like "Creepies," "Raven's Manor," and "The Uncanny," tying into the podcast’s focus on the paranormal and true crime. Em reflects on balancing his solo travel agenda with spending time with friends from out of state, leading to a packed itinerary:

“I think I'm just more boldly confident for no good.”
[05:41]

Both hosts share anecdotes about their accommodations, sleep challenges, and the quirks of traveling, providing listeners with a relatable glimpse into their personal lives.

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2. The Exorcism of Nicola Aubrey: A Historical Deep Dive

Introduction to Nicola Aubrey’s Possession
Em introduces a three-part historical narrative about Nicola Aubrey, a 15-year-old girl from Laon, France, who becomes possessed by Beelzebub and 30 other spirits during the 16th century amidst Catholic-Protestant tensions.

“Nicola is even possessed because her mom and husband, at different times, cursed her in a fight. They were like, may the devil take you.”
[23:39]

Public Exorcisms and Religious Conflict
The episode delves into the Catholic Church's response, conducting public exorcisms in hopes of cleansing Nicola and discrediting Protestantism. Beelzebub manipulates the situation, referring to Protestants as his faithful servants, effectively using the exorcism as anti-Protestant propaganda.

“Beelzebub calls Protestants, his faithful servants… for the Catholics, that was a good PR move.”
[22:08]

Demonic Hierarchy and Tactical Exorcisms
As the exorcisms progress, Nicola's possession reveals a complex demonic hierarchy. Beelzebub admits he shares Nicola's body with 30 spirits, but over time, most are expelled through the power of the Eucharist. The hosts highlight the strategic use of sacraments in weakening the demons:

“Nothing else will revive her from these wounds, except, of course, the Eucharist.”
[23:37]

Climactic Battle and Final Exorcism
In the climax, the final confrontation between the bishop and Beelzebub becomes intense, filled with supernatural phenomena like levitation, black smoke, and physical contortions. The bishop's steadfast faith, combined with the community's prayers, ultimately leads to the expulsion of Beelzebub.

“With the power of the sacred body, he finally was overcome and truly cast out.”
[64:34]

Aftermath and Historical Impact
The successful exorcism of Nicola Aubrey reinforces Catholic dominance in the region and sparks a series of copycat cases, solidifying anti-Protestant sentiments. Em and Christine ponder the lasting legacy of such historical events and their influence on contemporary religious dynamics.

“This story became known as the miracle of Laon and helped reinforce anti-Protestant rhetoric in Catholic spaces, especially in France.”
[64:34]

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3. Mock News Segment: The Erin Goodwin Murder-for-Hire Plot

Breaking News: Erin Goodwin’s Arrest
Transitioning from historical tales, Christine and Em present a mock news segment detailing the fictional arrest of Erin Goodwin, wife of Ghost Adventures co-host Aaron Goodwin, in connection with a murder-for-hire plot targeting her husband.

“Aaron was blindsided and devastated at this turn of events involving his wife, as he thought he was in a happy marriage.”
[75:58]

Background of the Alleged Plot
The hosts outline the timeline, revealing that Victoria Goodwin (Erin) engaged in a clandestine affair with inmate Grant Amato. Motivated by dissatisfaction in her marriage, Victoria allegedly orchestrated a plan to have Aaron killed, securing a hitman with a $2,500 down payment.

“Victoria was exchanging messages, romantically discussing ending Aaron’s existence, and set aside money for a hitman.”
[87:30]

Police Investigation and Evidence
Christine explains how police, upon seizing Victoria’s phone, uncovered detailed communications and financial transactions indicative of her intentions to murder Aaron. The hosts speculate on Victoria’s motivations, intertwining elements of true crime with their characteristic banter.

“Police cited text records in which Victoria texted Amato, ‘Am I a bad person because I chose to end his existence? Not divorce.’”
[88:23]

Impact on Aaron Goodwin and Ghost Adventures
Em and Christine discuss the emotional and professional ramifications for Aaron Goodwin, considering his established role on Ghost Adventures and his relationship with co-host Zach Bagans. They humorously ponder how the incident might influence future episodes and the dynamics within the Ghost Adventures team.

“It feels like this is written like it's a movie… they’re gonna use this in the show. It’s gonna be something really cringe.”
[114:38]

Legal Proceedings and Future Speculations
As the mock news segment concludes, the hosts touch upon the upcoming preliminary hearing scheduled for March 25, 2025. They express curiosity and anticipation for the trial’s outcome, anticipating further plot developments and media coverage.

“As of last night, Victoria Goodwin is being held on $100,000 bail pending her trial with a preliminary hearing set for March 25, 2025.”
[87:55]

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4. Closing Remarks and Advertisements

In the concluding segment, Christine and Em briefly touch upon their upcoming podcast tour, encouraging listeners to attend their live shows and support them on Patreon. The episode wraps up with advertisements for sponsors like Helix Sleep, Bowl and Branch, Nutrafol, and Goodles Mac and Cheese, maintaining the podcast's signature blend of casual conversation, humor, and product promotions.

“Listen, I'm living the dream. Except that I'm not sleeping very well.”
[18:43]

“Start your hair growth journey with Nutrafol. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first-month subscription and free shipping when you go to nutriful.com and enter the promo code Drink.”
[68:16]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• "[05:05] Christine: “After that snowbank incident, I feel invincible. I'm like, you could throw me in a snowbank and I'd be like, been there, done that.”

• "[22:08] Em: “Beelzebub calls Protestants, his faithful servants… for the Catholics, that was a good PR move.”

• "[23:39] Em: “Nicola is even possessed because her mom and husband, at different times, cursed her in a fight. They were like, may the devil take you.”

• "[31:24] Christine: “I realized I need a power suit… Watching how medieval exorcisms worked is just fascinating.”

• "[64:34] Em: “With the power of the sacred body, he finally was overcome and truly cast out.”

• "[75:58] Em: “Aaron was blindsided and devastated at this turn of events involving his wife, as he thought he was in a happy marriage.”

• "[87:30] Christine: “Victoria was exchanging messages, romantically discussing ending Aaron’s existence, and set aside money for a hitman.”

• "[114:38] Em: “It feels like this is written like it's a movie… they’re gonna use this in the show. It’s gonna be something really cringe.”

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This episode of "And That's Why We Drink" masterfully interweaves personal travel anecdotes with gripping historical and fictional crime stories, maintaining an engaging and entertaining flow that captivates both long-time listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Christine Schiefer]

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[Em Schultz]

We decided that we were going to record in different places and they're actually. They're nearer. They're closer to each other.

[Christine Schiefer]

They're in the same time zone, which is a first.

[Em Schultz]

They're just not in either of our homes. No.

[Christine Schiefer]

Where are you?

[Em Schultz]

Portland. Portland.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, I'm in Eugene, Oregon.

[Em Schultz]

Okay. Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

So we're both in Oregon, just like same state.

[Em Schultz]

Oregon or Oregon.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's Oregon.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, that's my thought. But I hear people go, portland, Oregon. And I go, am I the wrong one here?

[Christine Schiefer]

No, it is Oregon. Yes. Portland, Oregon.

[Em Schultz]

Oregon. Not Oregon.

[Christine Schiefer]

Well, I think it's sort of the same. Portland, Oregon. Oregon, Oregon.

[Em Schultz]

Let's do this for an hour.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's just not Oregon. I know that.

[Em Schultz]

I. I'm in Oregon. I say. I say Oregon. Whether or not that's true.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oregon. Well, I think it's close enough. They look. They gave me this, like, really bizarro hotel room. I already. I recorded Beach GC Sandy here yesterday, so this really does feel like my own. I told my brother that I got this Matisse on the wall, and he was like, why did you cut it into three pieces? And I was like, first of all.

[Em Schultz]

He'S meant to be a stepdad.

[Christine Schiefer]

He is. And then they gave me, like, a little fireplace, except I don't know if I know how to work it, and a little bathtub. And I was like, this is such a little fun.

[Em Schultz]

And you have your own lady in white over there and that bathrobe standing perfectly upright.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, my gosh. You scared me. I didn't know she was part of the room, but do you ever use.

[Em Schultz]

The bathrobes in a. I did yesterday.

[Christine Schiefer]

Because I took a bath, and I was like, well, then I guess I use a bath and I'm wearing these, which, like, they're like the little slippies.

[Em Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

So I thought, like, spa.

[Em Schultz]

What the hell's going on?

[Christine Schiefer]

It sort of is, like. I don't know. It's really cute. I made, like, myself a little cheese board from the market next door. I've just been kind of in my little.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's, like, 39 degrees out right now, so I'm like, I don't want to leave. I just want to be inside.

[Em Schultz]

I was going to say, this is your first real solo travel. How's it going?

[Christine Schiefer]

Right? It's my Eat, Pray, Love adventure. I slept in a train. It was so nice, and it was storming, so, like, it was like, all that kind of thundery, like, inside a train caboose. Honestly, that was the best I've slept in a long time.

[Em Schultz]

Did it look like a train caboose, or did they just turn it into a hotel room?

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, my God. Look. Oh, the inside. It's really cool. It's kind of a combo. I'll send you the pictures. I meant to yesterday, but I was driving all day. I'll send you guys the pictures and we can post them. But it was so, like, charming because it had all the wood paneling. I got to sit up in the cupola thing and, like, you know, look out. Look out at the mountains, and it was great. And then the next day, I went to Weed, California, and I bought a bunch of little souvenirs, because, of course.

[Em Schultz]

I bet you did.

[Christine Schiefer]

And then I drove through a blizzard, and they said, no further driving unless you have chains on your tires. And I said, excuse me, everybody. I'm coming through without chains on my tires. But honestly, I was like, what do I do? I don't want to get, like, pull over. I don't know. There's nowhere else to go. So I just, like, kept driving and hoped no one would look at my tires. And then I made it to the other side, so it's all good.

[Em Schultz]

That's awesome. I would have been like, okay, well, I'm never driving again, as you know. I'm so terrified of snow driving.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, listen, after that snowbank incident, I feel invincible. I'm like, you could throw me in a snowbank and I'd be like, been there, done that.

[Em Schultz]

Of, you know, out. Out of, you know, the car accidents that could have came from us driving on bad snow. That was a great one.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay. Yeah. If it's just like, check and done, like, please, let's. Let's leave that as the one. Because it really was a good story.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

And nobody got hurt.

[Em Schultz]

We just slid around a little.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. And, like, I got to eat my own words of being like, I'm good at driving in snow. And then you're still the better of all of us. I don't know if that's true. I think I'm just more boldly confident for no good.

[Em Schultz]

All right, well.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

What about places?

[Christine Schiefer]

Tell me about your life. What are you up to?

[Em Schultz]

Yesterday I did quite a lot of things. I was out from, like, 8 in the morning until like, 1 in the morning. What? Just. Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

What were you doing? Anything. Anything worth noting?

[Em Schultz]

Well, I'm trying to see all the sites, but, like, I knew going into Portland it was going to be a toughie because there's so much and it's all weird, so I had to.

[Christine Schiefer]

Did you do any repeats or was it just, like, all stuff that you.

[Em Schultz]

I've never really done any repeats because anytime we've been to Portland before, I. I have friends that live here. And so I like. As much as I love the part of our job where I get to see friends that live out of state, what that means is I have to, like, sacrifice my own, like, solo travel days because they're like, oh, let me take you around. And I'm like, that's really nice. But I also had a list of shit I wanted to do.

[Christine Schiefer]

And, like, sorry, I have a lot of errands to run.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, I haven't told my friends that I'm in town. So I'm trying to do all those things we won't tell before because they do know they're coming to the show. They know that I'm gonna be in town and they took the day off tomorrow to hang out with me. So I'm trying to do all my stuff before tomorrow.

[Christine Schiefer]

Is there a favorite thing that you've done or one that you're most excited about?

[Em Schultz]

There was. I went to a, like, you know, like the barbecue places where you can like make your own meat on the table. They had one of those, but for pancakes. So I made my own pancakes.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, wait, that's cute. Is that what your shirt is? I was about to say your shirt said pancake.

[Em Schultz]

I thought, no, actually, that's interesting that you.

[Christine Schiefer]

I was trying to figure out what it said.

[Em Schultz]

It is a pancake reference too. What's going on?

[Christine Schiefer]

Wow, you're in your pancake era, I guess.

[Em Schultz]

That is weird. There's some things I tried to make.

[Christine Schiefer]

A nice little segue and it was just totally.

[Em Schultz]

I'll tell you the one thing that I hated and I'll never do again was there's this place here called the Witch's Castle. Hang on.

[Christine Schiefer]

This is actually way better of a bit. What's the least favorite thing you've done so far? Let's. Let's ask question.

[Em Schultz]

It was, it's like a. I don't know the story. I'm assuming it was once like a house on the river in the woods, and it just got abandoned. And so over time it's like overgrown and people like have graffitied it. And now it's like this art installment place and it's like a house full of murals, basically, but it's abandoned in the woods. So I was like, oh, I'm gonna go. Because the site I looked at that said, oh, it's just like a half mile away. It's like a, like a 10 minute walk, 15 minute walk. And I was like, okay, great, that's not a problem. Nobody mentioned the fucking elevation. And it was basically, it was. It was the hardest exercise of my ever my life.

[Christine Schiefer]

Wait, how long did you go before you were like, shit, I can't turn around now. Or were you just like, it must be here any second, and you just kept walking?

[Em Schultz]

Well, so I would have stopped even earlier than I did, but I drove so far to get there and I was like, well, I like, I want to make the drive. I don't want to waste my time.

[Christine Schiefer]

Then you will. Oh, that's even worse. I thought you walked, like, a hotel.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, no, no. I had to drive into the woods. And so luckily it was like. It wasn't, like, going into, like, an abandoned part of the woods. Like, a lot of people use this. Like, it was, like a tourist area, like, a little attraction. So I. I saw other people a lot while I was walking there, but. Oh, my God, it was like every. And every person was better than me on the. In the woods. Every single person there was, like, meant for the woods. They just ran and just.

[Christine Schiefer]

They're in Oregon. They're from Oregon. Of course they are. That. It's, like, built into their nature, you.

[Em Schultz]

Know, they were, like, out of breath and smiling about it, and I was like, what the is going on?

[Christine Schiefer]

And we're having so much fun. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. And also the worst. Worst part is that it, like, just rained here. And so half of it was like. I'm not kidding. Like, it looked like there I was walking on banana peels, and I was almost slipping, and it was terrifying because there's no railing. It's just. Just over. Just like, if you fall, you're dead. And so I was like, if I. And. And I couldn't. And going uphill in the slippery mud was even worse. So I was like, I might as well just keep going down. That was stupid. I should have gone up when I was higher up.

[Christine Schiefer]

Up and down.

[Em Schultz]

Yep. And then. And then get this. So then I finally get. Get all the way back up. That sucked. I was, like, literally so out of breath for a long time. And then everyone that walked by me knew that I wasn't from there.

[Christine Schiefer]

And are you Em. From when? That's what we drink.

[Em Schultz]

I was worried.

[Christine Schiefer]

I'm worried. Maybe they could have helped you, like, gotten a stretcher or something.

[Em Schultz]

And so once I finally got up and I was, like, dying, I found out apparently there's two trails to get to the witch's house.

[Christine Schiefer]

No.

[Em Schultz]

And one of them is much easier.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay. But that feels like you just kind of willed it into existence. You know what I mean?

[Em Schultz]

I know. Everyone saw me, and they're like, oh, you came from that way? Oh, yeah. You must be out of breath.

[Christine Schiefer]

And I'm like, wrong with you. Okay.

[Em Schultz]

At least.

[Christine Schiefer]

At least that's good. At least that's normal. Like, that. They're like, whoa, that's a tough trail, right?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, I guess so. But anyway, I'll never. I'll never do it again. I got the pictures I wanted, and now I'm never going.

[Christine Schiefer]

I Can't wait to also never do it because you got to go. And I just feel like that already gives me a pass, you know?

[Em Schultz]

Other than that, I have done a lot of really cool stuff and there's like a lot of creepy themed bars out here I literally went to. These are just some of the bars I've been to. There was one called Creepies. There was one called Raven's Manor. There was one called the Uncanny. There was one called the Coffin Club. Jesus. There was. There was a few others like that too.

[Christine Schiefer]

They get the vibe.

[Em Schultz]

So anyway, there's a lot of. I'm trying and like, I'm trying to just get all of it done.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Before I'm with my friends because I don't want to make them. I don't want to make them play tourist. You know what I mean?

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, if you told them you're going to the Coffin Club, they'd probably be excited.

[Em Schultz]

But maybe. But also I. When I'm in my solo travel brain, like, I don't even want to talk to anyone. So after today, I have to shake it off and like, get back into social mode.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

So I don't. I don't really want anyone with me on this stuff. And so today is another busy day of.

[Christine Schiefer]

Well, you're kind of like the dad, like, doing like this, like the schedule. But it's like you're by yourself. So it's almost like you're the dad and the child. You're like, come on, let's go family. But it's just you. It's kind of nice. Like, then there's no, like, infighting between everybody.

[Em Schultz]

That's true. Well, I'm infighting with myself. Except, like, I want to go here.

[Christine Schiefer]

And it's like muddy trail when you're about to fall off a cliff.

[Em Schultz]

It's like trying to time everything. Because I had to, like, very strategically. Like, I think I went to like 50 locations yesterday. Like, if I, like, I don't have my notepad with him, but it's like it was non stop. And so it's been. No, like, there would be times where I was like, I'm really hungry. And it's like, food isn't for nine stops. Like, and I had to just be like the angry dad to myself on the trip. Anyway, I. Your way sounds so different than mine.

[Christine Schiefer]

Listen, I'm living the dream. Except that I'm not sleeping very well. But honestly, you can hear the ads of this podcast and know that it's real. I was not lying. I'm Sleeping terribly without my home mattress and home sheets. And that's a real serious problem. Oh, I texted you the pictures. Your phone's probably on do not disturb, but if you're curious, if you want to look, we can also post them because it was pretty beautiful. Oh, like, scroll through. It's kind of cool.

[Em Schultz]

It's very precious. Was. Is this just through Airbnb or.

[Christine Schiefer]

No, it's. It's called the Railroad Park Lodge, and they have all these different cabooses you can pick from to sleep in.

[Em Schultz]

It's very you.

[Christine Schiefer]

I loved it because you. Basically, you just pull in, you park next to your little car, they give you a key, and then you're just like, this is my train.

[Em Schultz]

Very. What? Did you really have the caboose, or did you have.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, they're all cabooses. So. They're all cabooses because they're.

[Em Schultz]

Which one in the lineup were you?

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, I was number 25. Well, I picked 26 because it was yellow, which is Liana's favorite color. But then they were like, oh, there's a leak because of the giant storm. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah, put me in 25 instead. That's fine. But, yeah, it was a number 25. But they're all kind of, like, in a big circle. They don't really. They don't. The lo. I think the locomotive that they have, which is, like, the thing that pulls all the cabooses, the locomotive, I think, is the dining car, and they have a restaurant in there.

[Em Schultz]

Fun.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, it's cool. But they, of course, were closed because of all the storming, so I did order Taco Bell, and I did get it delivered to my caboose, and I did feel that was also a unique experience.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, Christine, is there a reason why you drink?

[Christine Schiefer]

Well, because I am so excited for my portion today, folks. I have a breaking news update later that you guys are going to want to hear. Okay, so Em has part three, which I'm fucking stoked for.

[Em Schultz]

I'm not. I'm so over this. I can't wait to tell another story.

[Christine Schiefer]

Three episodes in a row is a long time, especially when we're recording over weeks.

[Em Schultz]

I know for us it's been, like, two months. And I'm just like, I want this story to be over.

[Christine Schiefer]

Somebody commented, like, how unprofessional that Christine forgot part two. And basically everyone was like, are you new here? Like, of course Christine forgot part two.

[Em Schultz]

Also, like, if that's unprofessional, get ready for the rest of everything, get ready.

[Christine Schiefer]

For just all of what we've already bitched about. Anyway, I. So I drink because of just the nonsense that's been happening out there. And I had to basically do, like, notes that were like emergency notes. I didn't have to do anything. I chose to do, like, emergency. Most of the first page of mine are like in all capital letters, so.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, great.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. That's why I drink. Do you have a reason besides your. Your really strict schedule right now?

[Em Schultz]

I. No, I will, I guess. Yeah. I just. I don't feel like I have enough time to get everything done.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, honestly, that sliding off a mountain to find a witch cabin feels pretty good.

[Em Schultz]

I know, but I feel like one of the things I'm mad about with that on top of the fact that I had to exert energy. Oh, my God. Was that. It took, it fed. It ate up so much of my itinerary. Like, I had to drive all the way out there. Then I had to walk forever and then walk back and then drive back. Like, I just feel like I lost time. So I feel even more pressed for time today, which, like, my. My, like, day. I. There's like a certain time that everything starts today, so. I know.

[Christine Schiefer]

Guess what? M didn't make me do anything. M made me. Woke up at 8:45am and I was like, where am I?

[Em Schultz]

Sorry.

[Christine Schiefer]

No, no, no. I was fine. I went to bed early enough. I'm just being a huge baby and they have coffee here. But yeah, I'm excited because if Em says we're recording at 8 or 9am that means there are wild times ahead for Em. For me, it's more bed. But for Em, there's lots of fun stuff going on.

[Em Schultz]

Lest we forget the New Orleans trip where I woke up at like 5:30 in the morning.

[Christine Schiefer]

I never forget because the itinerary is so strict.

[Em Schultz]

I have to be there.

[Christine Schiefer]

I Woke up at 11 and Eva, it's the itinerary strict. We have to get to the boozy brunch by noon when they stop doing bottomless mimosas. So we went down there and we checked, and Eva was. We were like, where's Em? And we looked and you were like, inside a swamp. And we were like, hello? What happened? Em was like, I've been up for five hours anyway. I'll never forget.

[Em Schultz]

I cannot, like, truly medically. I actually need to see somebody about how I cannot physically wake up ever early. But the second I'm on a trip and I have 24 hours, my brain.

[Christine Schiefer]

It'S like the opposite of everybody else, you know?

[Em Schultz]

I know. It's like, well, it's like, when am I going to be back here? I guess we don't have to stop.

[Christine Schiefer]

We also don't have a strict schedule during the week, so it's sort of like you're not waking up at 8am every day when you're at home, you know? I've had to start with Leona, so when I travel, I'm like, oh, I get to sleep past 8:30. Fuck, yeah.

[Em Schultz]

I think if I were in a different, like, place in my life, things would shift. But I'm. I'm trying to. I'm trying to do as much as I can, but, like, like, there was. We just went to, like, San Luis Obispo and, like, love you, girl. But I was like, I'd seen it all within a day. You know what I mean? Portland. I was like, I need minimum a week, and I have two days, so I, like, need to get. I need to do as much as I physically can. Okay? So that's why I drink and I drink water because I have nothing else in this hotel room.

[Christine Schiefer]

I drink coffee because I made sure it would be prepared for me by the time I woke up. And by prepared for me, I hit the button on the Keurig, and there we go.

[Em Schultz]

Perfect. That's lovely.

[Christine Schiefer]

Thank you. So I know I talk about this a lot, but I'm. I'm constantly having some sleep issues. I was just texting Emma about it last night. And then when I travel, I'm like, why can't I sleep? It's because my whole bed set up at home is no longer accessible to me. And even the nicest hotels I'm like, is not the same as my Helix mattress. I miss it. I miss it so much. And my back hurts now whenever I don't sleep on it. I've just become dependent on the thing.

[Em Schultz]

I've learned that if I don't sleep on my mattress at home, then I have to have this whole little, like, show in my hotel room of, like, what pillow goes under what leg and it's. It's a nightmare. Because I just. I just need a very specific mattress that understands me.

[Christine Schiefer]

Why can't they just all have the mattress I need at every hotel?

[Em Schultz]

Why can't every hotel have a Helix mattress?

[Christine Schiefer]

Lovely. Okay, I'm. I'm starting to actually feel like maybe we need to start a petition. Anyway, go to helixsleep.com drink for 20% off site wide. That's helixsleep.com drink for twenty percent off site wide. Helixsleep.com drink Bowen Branch has asked us to talk about ways that we've tried to fix our sleep. But that would take me 45 minutes long of just listing them in bullet point order. So instead I'm going to say thank you to Bolton Branch to actually make beautiful 100% organic cotton sheets. Because I'm staying in a hotel and I woke up all sweaty and gross and I miss my sheets.

[Em Schultz]

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[Christine Schiefer]

It's like so cozy and it just doesn't feel. This feels like torture reading this right now. Honestly, bowl and Branch products are made different so you can sleep better at night. They're the perfect foundation for bowl and Branches. Airy bed blankets, cloud like duvets and so much more. They really do make like a nice cloud bed as my friend Alyssa calls it. If they don't change the way you sleep, you can send them back for a full refund. So don't even worry.

[Em Schultz]

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[Christine Schiefer]

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[Em Schultz]

Okay, I'm ready to get this story fucking overwhelmed.

[Christine Schiefer]

Rock and roll.

[Em Schultz]

Okay. For those who have evaded the last two episodes, this is the miracle of lan in Laon, France. And it's the possession of a little girl named Nicola Aubrey. And this was in the 16th century during tensions between the Catholics and Protestants.

[Christine Schiefer]

Gotta love it.

[Em Schultz]

And team Catholic thinks that the sacrament is the literal body and blood of Christ. Protestants do not. And so this is a story that fed into Catholic rhetoric that was very anti Protestant because it was saying it was agreeing that the sacrifice was sort.

[Christine Schiefer]

Of like propaganda for the Catholics.

[Em Schultz]

So I'm so sorry to do this to everybody but we have to do a recap. I tried to get it as concise as possible. 15 year old Nicola is possessed by something and after enough priests work with her, they Figure out that the spirit inside of her is Beelzebub. On top of that, Beelzebub later says, it's not just me in here. There's 30 fucking spirits inside of Nicola. Surprise. And then because of that, Nicola is eventually given public exorcisms for months. Like, daily for months to fight these spirits out. I. In the hopes that the crowd would help pray the demon away. Or just to show the power of Catholicism.

[Christine Schiefer]

Right, right, right.

[Em Schultz]

Which, by the way, I would have started making them private exorcisms when the Catholicism wasn't working. After several months, even that stopped working.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's like, all right, let's focus on the gift shop and the bar line, and let's kind of put a curtain up over here.

[Em Schultz]

So during these exorcisms, Beelzebub calls the Protestants his faithful servants. And that's such a good dig. It's such a good PR Move to. For the Catholics. And again, by the way, I'm under the assumption that this is. Nicola was never possessed by the devil. Maybe she just had a lot of Catholic guilt. So, so much Catholic guilt that she was like, I'll make it right by calling all the Protestants.

[Christine Schiefer]

It happens to the best of us.

[Em Schultz]

Horrible, horrible Beelzebub believers. So during these exorcisms, demon calls Protestants, his faithful servants. And every time he leaves for the day when Beelzebub checks out of possessing her for the day, he puts Nicola into these swoons when he's not around. So she can't see or speak or talk or anything. And basically, she can't give confession. So that way, he can always return.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay.

[Em Schultz]

And that's just when he's temporarily leaving. But they find a way to revive her. Nothing else will revive her from these wounds, except, of course, the Eucharist. And she was apparently possessed because her mom and husband, at different times, cursed her in a fight. They were like, may the devil take you. And then devil's. That's all it took.

[Christine Schiefer]

I'd probably be gone, long gone devil by now.

[Em Schultz]

You certainly have strayed. So maybe.

[Christine Schiefer]

Maybe I am. That's a good point.

[Em Schultz]

Beelzebub would also call out audience members for their sins and embarrass them, which led to many of them. It led to many of them confessing that day or, like, converting back to Catholicism. It was just a big Catholic party over there. During one of the exorcisms, Beelzebub was even contorting Nicola's body so intensely that he paralyzed her arm. The doctors even, like, tested it. They did horrible Things to make sure that she wouldn't flinch and that she was really in a swoon and unable to move her arm. And it seems that that was real. As news spread of Nikola's possession and Beelzebub saying all these things about Protestants being in cahoots with the devil, Protestants came into town to witness this and, you know, prove to everybody it was a hoax. But when they got there, Beelzebub called them all out by name and saluted them and mocked them for being demonic themselves.

[Christine Schiefer]

Just by being Protestants, you made it.

[Em Schultz]

And also, you're just as devilish as I am. I think he actually said they're more devilish than he is.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, my God. Okay. I just had a discussion yesterday with my brother about the word devilish on beach to Sandy, where I said, like. But isn't that sort of a compliment? Because you say, like, devilishly handsome, you.

[Em Schultz]

Know, I would imagine that means, like, so, so handsome. It's a crime. Like, it's.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, I see. Okay.

[Em Schultz]

It makes sense.

[Christine Schiefer]

So in the Catholic Church, you shouldn't be any sort of devilish devilry. All of it's bad. Okay, got it.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. I mean, as the pastor here. Yes.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. As the. As the Catholic here, you should know.

[Em Schultz]

So the Protestants are pissed. So they're coming town to be like, we're not the devil. But one time, when Nicola was in a swoon in front of these Protestants, they could not wake her up. So they begrudgingly also tried to give her a holy sacrament, which is not what they do. But they were like, we'll try the Catholic way. And she ends up waking up, and it healed her. So now the Protestants are like, oh, this is really awkward.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

So the priests go tell the crowd, Tell everyone what you just witnessed. The sacrament works. The Catholics are right. The Protestants suck. And the Protestants are like, okay, fuck this town. And, like, fuck this little girl, too, by the way, because she's really making us look bad.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

One Protestant doctor later even met up with her and tried to, quote, poison the demon inside of her, which the Catholics have turned into. He tried to poison her to get revenge on all the things that she's been saying. But when it didn't work, and only the sacrament healed her, the Protestants that day were like. Or at least in the room for this event, they were like, oh, shit. The sacrament really is the only thing that helps her. Maybe she's not faking it. Okay. I guess we're Catholic, because the sacrament really does work.

[Christine Schiefer]

So the story goes that they converted right there on the spot. Pretty much Catholic thing ever. Right there in front of the miracle of Mother Mary coming down from the.

[Em Schultz]

Front of God and his people.

[Christine Schiefer]

Nutty. They think that they're not like, ritualistic, and then they're like, behold.

[Em Schultz]

It's like a magical transformation.

[Christine Schiefer]

Love. A ritual, a show, like some razzle dazzle. They fucking love it.

[Em Schultz]

Well, so pretty much any Protestant that comes in contact with her, it becomes a Catholic that day because they're just so blown away by the fact that she is saved by the Eucharist. Other Protestants are demanding that the priests start making these public exorcisms of her private. And when the priest tries it, Beelzebub comes through and says, change it back to public executions. Oh, my God.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay. Every time you've said public exorcism, I start like, seriously, my body reacts before I even realize you're saying exorcism. So I think it's probably not. You're not alone in that.

[Em Schultz]

It's certainly an execution of the Protestant's reputation.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Before being dramatic about it, which we are. Yeah. Execution and what's the other word?

[Em Schultz]

Exorcism.

[Christine Schiefer]

Exorcism. They're very close.

[Em Schultz]

Well, okay, so the Protestants are like, make them private. Make these. Probably because they were so embarrassed that.

[Christine Schiefer]

They keep getting, like, humiliating, mocked.

[Em Schultz]

The priest tries it. The Beelzebub comes through and says, make them public again or I'm never leaving. Ha ha ha. And if you make them public, eventually I'll leave, but I'll never tell you when. So it's a lose lose situation for the priest. So they go back to public exorcisms. And maybe as a thank you, it was just timed weirdly that one of the exorcisms, right after the priest makes them public again, Nicola still has 30 demons in her. But when the priest commands them all to leave after enough times of putting the sacrament to her lips and saying, get out of here, demons, 26 of them leave that day. Oh, and the where we left off in the story last week is that now there are only four demons remaining in Nicola, one of them being Beelzebub, of course. So that's what you miss.

[Christine Schiefer]

What do we say? Beelzebub. What do we say?

[Em Schultz]

Oh, Beelzebubba.

[Christine Schiefer]

Beelzebubbies. You were wearing a shirt. Little. Little latke.

[Em Schultz]

What was it? What was it? It was like Bubby's little matzo ball.

[Christine Schiefer]

Matzo ball. Okay, okay, okay. So bl's a Bubby's little matzo ball. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, that's me. Well, that's Nicola. I guess she should have worn that shirt for sure.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, I bet they sold it at the gift shop.

[Em Schultz]

If they did that would.

[Christine Schiefer]

Can we sell it at our gift shop? AKA at our live shows? Beelzebub.

[Em Schultz]

Our own online store. Beelzebub' I mean, I'm like, I think.

[Christine Schiefer]

It'S real good, but we'll talk about it.

[Em Schultz]

Could we. For the sake. Because matzo balls aren't actually involved here. Maybe it should say Beelzebub is Little Eucharist.

[Christine Schiefer]

Little Latke, Little wafer. A little wafer. Little flesh and blood and skin of Jesus Christ.

[Em Schultz]

Beelzebub's little flesh.

[Christine Schiefer]

Ew. No.

[Em Schultz]

You don't like that?

[Christine Schiefer]

No, I don't. Weigh in, everybody. Help me. Help me. Get away from that one. Please, somebody.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, so with four demons left in Nicola, the priest asks where the others went. How. How did I. First of all, after months of doing this, if I were the priest, I would be like, how'd I do that? I'd be like, how the Did I actually get. Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

He'd be like, was that me? Are we sure? Was it a fluke?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, it's like when the superpowers finally kick in in the third act. It's like, like, like in a superhero movie. It's like, oh, my God, I can fly. It happened. I feel like the priest is like, oh, my God. I actually cast them out. I couldn't get any of them, and now I got 26. What the fuck happened?

[Christine Schiefer]

It's like when I broke through Wallace for the first time, broke into Wallace, and I was like, oh, my God. That really worked. I can't believe it. Em's genius.

[Em Schultz]

I don't know how I solved it.

[Christine Schiefer]

I did it last night. Cause I couldn't fall asleep. And I don't know if anyone's heard about this. My insomnia, it's all I talk about nowadays. But I was trying to fall asleep, and I was like, I'm gonna break through Wallace. And it worked. Or break into Wallace. Yeah, it worked.

[Em Schultz]

I don't know how I solved such a cosmic problem, but it's worked for.

[Christine Schiefer]

A lot of people who've seems to.

[Em Schultz]

Really do the job. Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

I think it's because it's like, it's almost the last thing I remember every time I fall, like, I'm like. I don't even think I realize how effective it is until the next day when I'm like, wait a minute. Did I remember anything after that? So it must have worked. You know, it's kind of trippy.

[Em Schultz]

It really does. It works way too well.

[Christine Schiefer]

So, yeah, it's just kind of amazing.

[Em Schultz]

Thank you. Well, that's me.

[Christine Schiefer]

That's you inside. You're like that priest. Like, like, did I do that? Really?

[Em Schultz]

I really. I'm like, did I solve sleep Sleepiness?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yes. I solved, like, a cosmic mystery.

[Em Schultz]

Like, how, How. And for me, it was how to. How to astral project. It wasn't the. Or lucid dream or something. Lucid dream?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Em Schultz]

But some people just use it as melatonin.

[Christine Schiefer]

Now I just use it as melatonin, man. In addition, to be very clear, in addition to my melatonin as, like, an enhancement to my melatonin.

[Em Schultz]

Well, okay, so in the third act, this priest finally has superpowers and he takes out 26 of the. Which I would then think, okay, the next four are gonna be easy breezy.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. Or I'd be like, I've done enough. Somebody else do this now. I'd clock out something awesome.

[Em Schultz]

I'd be like, I need a vacation. The restaurant. Seriously. I did, like, such a massive part.

[Christine Schiefer]

I did a huge part of this. Not that Anyone knows what 26 out of 30% is, but I'm sure, like, it's a lot.

[Em Schultz]

I mean, it's over five, six. I can do fractions.

[Christine Schiefer]

I certainly can't do that either. So I'm just gonna believe you on that. 5, 6 feels like a lot lot.

[Em Schultz]

I fully think that. Yeah. For sure. Okay. So he. He's like, holy shit, I did that? That's crazy. And then he goes over to Nicola, who still has Beelzebub in her. One of the four still Beelzebub. And the priest is like. He didn't even say, how did I do that? Because I think he, like, wanted to have the cockiness of, like, oh, you better play along. So, you know, he was, like, totally freaking out on the inside, but he.

[Christine Schiefer]

Had to play it cool, this old thing.

[Em Schultz]

And basically he says, where did the others go? That's how he asked it. He was like, where did those 26 go when I just cast them out? Did I turn them into dust? Or is this somewhat other priest's problem now somewhere else now?

[Christine Schiefer]

Please, God.

[Em Schultz]

And Beelzebub says, oh, I told them to go to Geneva. I said it last time. I'm going to say it again. This sounds like the campiest little drag queen demon I've ever.

[Christine Schiefer]

Literally feels a bubby. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, attitude.

[Em Schultz]

She's got the Cruella de Vil, like, long cigarette. She's like, I sent them to Geneva, darling. I sent them to Geneva.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yes. What did I say? Geneva. Yes, sure, Geneva. Let's go with that. I couldn't care less.

[Em Schultz]

Well, fun fact, Geneva apparently was a hub for Protestants at that time. So leave it to Marius. Yeah. So just more pr. More pure.

[Christine Schiefer]

No, they're good.

[Em Schultz]

The priest goes, how can I believe that they're actually gone? How do I know they're not just going to show up tomorrow? And Beelzebub, this is where I think maybe he had too much boxed wine. And he is starting to not make a lot of sense. Everything else so far has made total sense.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Em Schultz]

He says, oh, well, go. I'm gonna check the pine tree, darling. He has to, darling, check the pine tree because now there's two branches missing. And that's. That's. The devils carried them away when they flew out. That's his reason.

[Christine Schiefer]

Branches missing off a pine tree.

[Em Schultz]

It feels like a fucking escape room.

[Christine Schiefer]

No, it does. And, like, not a good one. It's like, what does that even mean?

[Em Schultz]

It doesn't prove anything. So, like, maybe like, on her way into the exorcism that day, Nicholas saw that there was, like, a broken tree outside.

[Christine Schiefer]

Branches.

[Em Schultz]

And she remembered that shit.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, but so also she had to know that the branches were gone because if they fell on the ground.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, but, you know, my stepdad is one of those people where he's like, it's disgusting and criminal how observant he is.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, so he can, like, clock it.

[Em Schultz]

He would notice that a branch on a random ass tree is missing.

[Christine Schiefer]

I think that is a stepdad thing. And my stepdad, too, is like, oh, one of your branch, like one of your shingles. And I'm like, yeah, fuck. How do you notice that?

[Em Schultz]

Like, yeah, maybe Nikola was actually possessed by a stepdad. You know what I mean?

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, Beelzebubby, it's. Anything's possible.

[Em Schultz]

But yeah, so she's like, oh, well, there's obviously, there's two branches on that tree over there and they're missing. And so that's how you know that the demons are gone. And I'd be like, girl, we need to check you in somewhere. This is crazy.

[Christine Schiefer]

What on earth are you talking about?

[Em Schultz]

The priest then says, okay, can you also go now? Like, I. You're making me look bad. I only got 26 of you, so can you keep it moving?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yep.

[Em Schultz]

And Beelzebub says, this is apparently a quote. I Can't wait. Is a direct quote a direct quote? It's not. It's not in the Bible of something the demons have said, but apparently this is a direct quote. Even if you remain here till midnight, even if you stay here a hundred years, I will not leave at your bidding. I will not leave unless commanded by the Bishop of Laon.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay. I love the escalation from midnight to a hundred years. It was like, you can stay till midnight. And the guy was like, okay. And it's like. I mean, a hundred midnights. It's like. It's like in Austin Powers when he's like. Like $1 billion. And they're like, okay. And he's like. I meant, you know, trying to build it up.

[Em Schultz]

So. So now they're like, oh. So now he's saying he won't leave until the Bishop of L. Specifically, not a bishop anywhere else. Just this bishop casts him out. That's like. Apparently his prophecy. The bishop will cast him out. Okay, so. Okay, so they're. Now they go. They're in long. And along the way, one of the four demons, I guess the weakest of them all. His name was like Legio. Apparently he's cast out in the same way the others were, where the. The priest just keeps putting the sacrament. He was just slept.

[Christine Schiefer]

He was just like holding on by a thread. And then he.

[Em Schultz]

I guess so maybe he was supposed to be the 27th and he overslept and he was like, I have to leave anyway.

[Christine Schiefer]

It seems like a fluke the way you're describing it. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Or maybe he like. I imagine if there's only four people possessing a body, those demons get to know each other really well in there. And he's probably like this Beelzebub's kind an. I'm ready to leave. I'm just.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, I get it. That's hard. Especially when, like, suddenly it's just you four and it's like.

[Em Schultz]

It's really claustrophobic probably to just. You don't ever get alone time. They need to solo travel too.

[Christine Schiefer]

Demons go find a train car to live in for a few days.

[Em Schultz]

And that's why Legio said, I. We're actually passing a train car. I'm going to hunker down over there. So bye and bye and left. So he was the least of the problems. Now there's only a branch.

[Christine Schiefer]

I love branches, stupid.

[Em Schultz]

Well, there's only three left now. There's Beelzebub. Then there's Cerberus and Astaroth. Okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

Harry Potter and fairy books. It Feels.

[Em Schultz]

So Nicolas was brought to law. They hold exorcisms at the cathedral Notre Dame de l'ans. And during these public events, Nicola slash Beelzebub continued to mock the Protestants to the crowd and continue to call out people's sins and saying, like, why are you here? And claiming you're not a sinner when I know you did this, this, and this last night. And then they would all run away and confess. So that way the demon didn't know that about them or they just became Catholic altogether.

[Christine Schiefer]

I have fantastic news for you.

[Em Schultz]

What?

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay, first of all, Astaroth, he's considered a great Duke of hell.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, me too.

[Christine Schiefer]

Often. Often depicted as you too. A nude man with feathered wings, wearing a crown and holding a serpent and riding a beast with dragon like wings and a serpent like tail.

[Em Schultz]

It's like Leona just came up with that. You know what I mean?

[Christine Schiefer]

And like, they're like, it's a naked man. Oh, but he also has this cool dragon and it's like, wait a minute. What about the naked part? Is he not wearing a shirt?

[Em Schultz]

It's just like you just said about the Dr. Evil part in Austin Powers. It's like, oh, he's not. You're not freaked out yet. Okay, well, he also is holding a snake.

[Christine Schiefer]

In fact, I was freaked out you said he was a nude man, but.

[Em Schultz]

Like, I guess you had me. A man? Why? Is he.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, right, right, right. Nude or otherwise, I'm sending you a drawing of what apparently he looks like from Wikipedia. And it's just.

[Em Schultz]

Why do you need to send me a picture? I can perfectly picture a naked feathered man with this.

[Christine Schiefer]

Fair. But apparently there's also a virus called Astaroth malware that, like, somebody made to like, steal passwords and which I love that they're naming them after literal demons. That's hilarious.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, the Trojan horse wasn't enough.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, exactly.

[Em Schultz]

This. You know what's weird? So he and his little buddy. He's flying on. They're both skeletally off.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, I feel like back then they didn't understand about proportions.

[Em Schultz]

This guy. Did you ever see Big Ed with the neck thing? Look up Big Ed. Just Google that.

[Christine Schiefer]

Is that a horse? Oh, of course. I know big Ed from 90 Day Fiance. What a character.

[Em Schultz]

This guy also has no neck.

[Christine Schiefer]

You know what? Yeah, but he's also nude and has long toenails, which I didn't even notice the toenails. It's distressing in the. In the. The least. It's distressing in the least.

[Em Schultz]

He he looks like an asshole. So I guess they drew it pretty accurately.

[Christine Schiefer]

He does. I think that actually probably is exactly what he looks like. So, anyway, just so we have like, some visual understanding.

[Em Schultz]

Perf. Okay, well, thank you. I. I needed that.

[Christine Schiefer]

I know. It was worth it.

[Em Schultz]

Well, so he's in there. Did you look up Cerberus?

[Christine Schiefer]

No, I. I just think of that dog.

[Em Schultz]

Me too. Okay, maybe it is. Maybe that's who it is.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, it is the Hound of Hades. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

How do they all have a. Like a gangster name? How are they all. The Duke of Hell. The Duke of Hell. The Hound of Hades.

[Christine Schiefer]

The Hound of Hades. You're right. It feels very Zack Baggins. Doesn't it like to come up with, like, your own devilish nickname?

[Em Schultz]

I can tell you with confidence, even 500 years ago, no woman named him the Duke of Hell. He got burned by somebody and he went, this is my new. This is who I am now. Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

Who? Me? You mean the Devil's lackey? I don't know. I'm trying to come up with some other words.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. What would you be?

[Christine Schiefer]

I would be the. I would be Hades handmaiden.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, that's beautiful.

[Christine Schiefer]

Except not really because I don't want to be Hades handmaiden. I don't know. I would work on it. I would do something for sure with. What do you call it?

[Em Schultz]

Alliteration.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yes, thank you. Alliteration.

[Em Schultz]

Well, because we're not idiots.

[Christine Schiefer]

Well, because I'm not a fucking idiot. Thank you.

[Em Schultz]

If there's gonna be one thing in my name, it's gonna be all like.

[Christine Schiefer]

If I get one choice as a woman in the 1600s, it's a cool ass nickname.

[Em Schultz]

The. The demon. No, I can't do it. The Demon. No, Dame. The Damon. No, that's stupid. Cut that out.

[Christine Schiefer]

Listen, it's brainstorming. The. Why don't we say something really smart later? And then we'll have Jack put it right here and like. Oh, that old thing. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

Great.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, so. So now the Bishop is here, right? Because only he can cast out these. These remaining three. The Bishop goes up to him and says, hey, buddy, you want to tell me who all is in there? I imagine just like knocking on Nicola's forehead.

[Christine Schiefer]

Anybody in there, like, look like a.

[Em Schultz]

Whispering into the ear, Hello.

[Christine Schiefer]

Hello.

[Em Schultz]

And Beelzebub. Called Beelzebub, of course, says, oh, yeah, there's three of us here. It's Beelzebub, Cerberus and Astaroth.

[Christine Schiefer]

That freak with the toenails left a while ago.

[Em Schultz]

And Bishop asks Cerberus and Astaroth to step forward. He's like, beelzebub's been a real chatty little bitch lately. So Cerberus and Astaroth please step forward. And then Beelzebub shows up again and says, this is a direct quote, apparently. They shall not. You may talk till you crack your throat. They will not speak in my presence. They are my servants. I am their master. They shall not speak. I am here for that.

[Christine Schiefer]

Whoa. Okay. Setting some strict rules here, buddy.

[Em Schultz]

I. I like that the bishop or that Beelzebub really has a possessive thing going on with. Yeah, I mean, he's literally possessing a girl. But I.

[Christine Schiefer]

You would think literally on every level.

[Em Schultz]

You think him and the demons would be like, kind of buddies, but whatever.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, well, apparently not. Because apparently there's such a hierarchy, you know?

[Em Schultz]

I know. So the next day. That. That was one day, he says, oh, no, you're only going to speak to me. Thanks so much. So the next day, the church was ordered to open at 5am so that way people could come and start praying for Nicola before the exorcisms. But the church never opened at 5am because the clock tower stopped by itself or broke.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, that's creepy.

[Em Schultz]

And the devil later said that he had a part in that. But who knows? Maybe Nicola just noticed the clock tower was broken. It said, that was me. So Beelzebub says, oh, by the way, just so you know, Astaroth will be leaving tomorrow. And the bishop goes, okay, thanks for letting me know. Feels like something a demon wouldn't do when you just.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, he has travel plans tomorrow, it feels like. Why would you share that with me?

[Em Schultz]

Why? Yeah, Wouldn't you want to keep me on my toes? But okay. Thanks for the mercy, I suppose. How will we know what's happened?

[Christine Schiefer]

Thanks for the heads up.

[Em Schultz]

Right. How will we know? Because the last time was so stupid with two broken branches.

[Christine Schiefer]

And now for 26 of them.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, yeah. And also. Hang on, let me do the math there. So does one branch equal 13? If two branches took 26.

[Christine Schiefer]

13. No.

[Em Schultz]

I'm so smart. I told you, I'm the math person here.

[Christine Schiefer]

You are. I can't believe it. I just. I just hear the word and I go, that's. Thirteen is a devil number. Right.

[Em Schultz]

See, when you take my math and your Catholic guilt, we know. Oh, my God.

[Christine Schiefer]

We're unstoppable.

[Em Schultz]

We're so good.

[Christine Schiefer]

We're so good.

[Em Schultz]

So the bishop. If at least if I were the bishop, I would have been like some fucking stupid thing. With branches. Happened last time. So how am I to know this time?

[Christine Schiefer]

When are you gonna pick a flat a daisy on your way out? Like, what the fuck?

[Em Schultz]

You gonna blow me a kiss? Yeah. What's gonna happen? Apparently he said Astaroth will break away a pane of glass from the chapel. Okay. Oh, okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

That's a big promise.

[Em Schultz]

I feel like if you're a devil, like, wouldn't it be like the entire town will be engulfed in flames? Like, wouldn't it be something a little more dramatic?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, but I feel like this maybe they can like accomplish, you know?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, breaking a window. Yeah, for sure.

[Christine Schiefer]

Like she can break a window. But yes, you're right. Like it should. I feel like. But also I feel like setting a fire. You could do.

[Em Schultz]

You know, I would also be nervous if I were Nicola faking all of this. And now I'm. Now I'm committing to plans. Because now I'm saying, like, oh, tomorrow a window will break and that's how you'll. So now. But I guess maybe if she didn't get to a broken window in time, she could be like, I tricked you. Haha. It's not gonna happen.

[Christine Schiefer]

Why would you believe the devil? Yeah, fair point.

[Em Schultz]

Well, so the bishop compels them all to leave. Try and leave one last time. Just try and leave. And all of a sudden the demons start freaking out. When he puts the sacrament to her mouth, she starts contorting. Her face gets all distorted, her eyes bulge out again. She had. There's apparently three distinct voices coming out of her. Like all three of the demons are talking at once. Apparently each of them sounded like a different animal. One sounded like an ox, one sounded like a swine, a pig, and one sounded like a dog. I'm assuming that one's Cerberus.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, yeah, true.

[Em Schultz]

And so the entire crowd is hearing multiple animal noises. She's freaking out. And when the bishop one more time holds the sacrament to Nicola and everyone hears her do this big yell and all of a sudden she falls into a swoon and black smoke comes out of her mouth.

[Christine Schiefer]

No.

[Em Schultz]

And with that black smoke leaving her body, Astaroth was cast out. And at the same time, everyone claims that they heard at the nearby chapel a window pane break.

[Christine Schiefer]

Now this is good storytelling.

[Em Schultz]

You know, with 500 years in the game of telephone on your side, anyone could have heard anything.

[Christine Schiefer]

You're so right. That's. You're so right. Someday we'll be so famous for being so smart because it'll just be like, like, oh, 500 years have passed. They forgot, like, the nuances of it. And we've just created this kind of lore about ourselves. And then over time, it'll just kind of. That's what I'm telling myself anyway.

[Em Schultz]

I certainly have manifested that our ancestors will listen to this one day and be like, oh, my God, those are my great grandparents.

[Christine Schiefer]

They were kind of like geniuses, our descendants.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

My ancestors are listening to this and going, oh, no, this is not what I hoped for. My family line.

[Em Schultz]

You gotta wait a few generations before they're really proud, you know, I think you're right. Until we're like a bar story. Like, did you know?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. And it's like us telling it in 20 years and people are like, please stop.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. Yeah. That's so sad. It is.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's a little bit sad.

[Em Schultz]

So again, Nikola goes into one of these swoons. She's restored by the sacrament, and now she only has two living inside of her. She has Cerberus and she has Beelzebub. So more exorcisms continue, and eventually during one of them, Beelzebub says, oh, P.S. i know I warned you last time, I'm going to warn you again. Cerberus is going to leave tomorrow.

[Christine Schiefer]

Right.

[Em Schultz]

I don't know why he's like putting this on the calendar, but it's nice of him to do that. So at the next day's exorcism, the bishop and Beelzebub are just chatting because they have a daily exorcism. So this is like a water cooler situation for them.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Last night, you know, breakfast.

[Em Schultz]

And Beelzebub brings up that doctor who tried to poison him. Slash Nicola. Aha, yes, the Protestant. The dirty Protestant. And. And he says, oh, don't worry, I got my revenge on that guy because he was actually riding the other day and I spooked his horse and I made the horse buck him and then kick him in the ribs. Which, the actual story, if I remember the quote right, it's like he was actually. He shrunk himself down to fit into the ear of the horse, made himself feel like a bug, so the horse started bucking out of his ear.

[Christine Schiefer]

Basically, magic school bugs the horse. Okay, I see. Or like, what's that other movie? It's basically like every kid's movie. No wonder she's coming up with all this.

[Em Schultz]

It's like the end of Luck of the Irish when the. When the bad demon shrinks down out of the clothes.

[Christine Schiefer]

I've certainly never seen that, but I assume it's exactly like that.

[Em Schultz]

It's ex. Trust me.

[Christine Schiefer]

Remember the one where he, like, goes in to fight germs?

[Em Schultz]

Osmosis Jones?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Yes. It's just like that.

[Christine Schiefer]

Although it's more. I guess it's more like the. I think the Magic School Bus reference hit harder.

[Em Schultz]

So I think that one. One. You killed it with that one. Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

Thank you.

[Em Schultz]

So Beelzebub mis. Frizzled himself into a horse's ear.

[Christine Schiefer]

Did you see that TikTok where it's like the girls pretending like. Like they're talking about the trauma of the Met being on the Magic School Bus. And, like. And then I showed up. Oh, my God. It was very good.

[Em Schultz]

Well, so the. He says, oh, don't worry. I showed that guy and he, you know, he tried to poison me, but I. I spooked him. And then. And then, not only did I miss frizzle into the horse's ear, I also forced the horse to ride, to carry him around the gallows. He had to ride around the gallows multiple times, and he couldn't get off the horse. It was like he possessed the horse, I guess.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, okay.

[Em Schultz]

So people in town later confirmed that they actually did see the doctor talking to someone who wasn't there. And they did see him riding around the gallows. But then here's what I have to say. If that's what the townspeople are saying, that they saw him riding around the gallows, so did Nicola. So she could just be like, oh, I made him do that.

[Christine Schiefer]

Right. Or even she heard people talking about it. You know what I mean?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

So, like, at the very least, even if she didn't technically see it, she.

[Em Schultz]

Knew she heard it.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

I mean, she's literally on a stage and in the audience is every person. She's probably just sitting there, listening to small talk in between and pretending to be asleep.

[Christine Schiefer]

I'm the best at that game. Pretending I'm not listening, but actually listen.

[Em Schultz]

Pretend you're asleep and listen to all of the town people's my favorites to do. So anyway, he says, oh, I. I hurt the doctor and I got him back. And then he says, I also appeared before him, by the way, and I told him I was a Protestant and then I told him to kill Nicolon. That's why he tried to do it, because he was on the side of the Protestants.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay.

[Em Schultz]

And just trying to, like, really damage that guy's reputation. Yeah, the bishop told Beelzebub to stop saying things like that or else he was going to hit him. This bishop has an anger Problem. It seems he very quickly hit him.

[Christine Schiefer]

What, like hit her? I mean, Jesus.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, you're gonna hit a little 15 year old girl? First of all.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Although if there is a true 15 year old girl possessed in the room with me, I'd hit her in the face for sure if there was.

[Christine Schiefer]

If she comes at me. Yeah, for sure.

[Em Schultz]

If she really is. If, if I found myself in that situation where she was truly demonic. Actually I wouldn't even hit her because I wouldn't still be there, there. So.

[Christine Schiefer]

Well, I mean, I was going to say I don't think you'd be in a scenario where you'd be close enough to hit her. You know what I mean?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. But this bishop is like, stop saying mean things about the townspeople or I'm going to hit you. And he like just got here. Like the bishop just got requested and now all of a sudden he's like, like the. It makes you really appreciate the patience of the last priest.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yep, agreed. Like this guy seems erratic, you know.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. Like he, he gave up real quick on like the actual proceedings. He says he's gonna hit him. And then Beelzebub, slash. Nicola gets up in the bishop's face, like basically points at his own cheek and dares the bishop to hit him. And then the bishop instead makes a cross on his. On the forehead of Nicola instead of hitting him.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay, okay. Her.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Em Schultz]

And by putting the cross on Nicholas forehead, Nikola begins to convulse. She then flies into the air and slams back onto the ground and her face starts distorting. The bishop holds the sacrament to her face and all of a sudden, like last time, a weird voice comes out of her and then black smoke comes out of her mouth. And Cerberus has now been expelled as predicted by Beelzebub. Predicted by Nicola, who's also probably getting tired of the shtick.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Em Schultz]

And so now we're down to just, just Beelzebub. Okay, so this is the final act. So Beelzebub tells the bishop and the crowd, hey girl, I'm gonna leave tonight. I'm also tired of this bullshit. And Beelzebub temporally temporarily flees away after that. But he says like I'll be, I'll be back later.

[Christine Schiefer]

I'll be right back.

[Em Schultz]

I'm hungry.

[Christine Schiefer]

I ate a weird burrito for break to go to the bathroom.

[Em Schultz]

Well, in that, in between, the bishop has dinner and then he goes back to perform the nighttime exorcism. And Beelzebub says, haha, I tricked you. I'M actually not leaving today. And I was actually going to, but because you ate and didn't fast, then you can't give a proper Catholic exorcism.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, my God. It's like, this is literally what Catholic school is like. It's like, you can't win. Also, you're so confused. Also, they keep telling you to, like, eat things or not eat things. And it's like, can everybody just leave me alone? I'm eight.

[Em Schultz]

Like, don't eat that, but eat this skin over here. That's.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, right, exactly. Just drink the blood real quick. It's not a big deal. I know you're eight. It's normal.

[Em Schultz]

So when the bishop pushes back, Beelzebub says, the bishop, didn't. You know, not only are you. You didn't fast, but you also haven't properly confessed your sins, but also this, but also that. And also you don't have the right kind of witnesses for the final exorcism. Like, every single time they try an exorcism, he goes, well, one more thing, one more thing. So they can never catch him. He's so fucking annoying. I'm so tired of this story, Christine. So the bishop then says, maybe not today, but eventually I am going to cast you out by the power of God. And I guess in a moment of weakness, Beelzebub slips up and says, I must yield to you. I know full well that I must depart, but not tonight. So he's saying, like, it's not up to me, but it is gonna happen.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, I see. Okay.

[Em Schultz]

So there's a lot of back and forth. There's a lot of Beelzebub finding loopholes. I will not bore anyone further with that. And eventually, one day yet, during yet another exorcism, Nicola starts levitating into the air and starts slamming onto the ground. And it had never been this intense before. Yeah, like, she's, like, slamming onto the ground. Oh, 15 different men are trying to hold onto her, and they can't keep her. So this was.

[Christine Schiefer]

That's what I said.

[Em Schultz]

Did I say that? Did you say in theaters or how did you.

[Christine Schiefer]

It sounded the same.

[Em Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

I said it everywhere.

[Em Schultz]

You have some green all over you. So this had never happened before. This was like, a whole new level of power that Beelzeb was using, probably just to scare everybody or because it's like his last hurrah. And the bishop is like, absolutely not. Takes the sacrament, raises it with his chalice, holds, like, toasting him, like, see him?

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, I see.

[Em Schultz]

And Nicola again is whisked into the air. And Beelzebub temporarily flees. After this, Nicola is revived by the sacrament. But during the next exorcism, everyone's officially over this, me included. And the bishop goes, really?

[Christine Schiefer]

I'm having the time.

[Em Schultz]

The bishop asks Beelzebub get the out. Asks, tells him, get out. I'm so like, I'm so tired. I don't want to do this. Like you win. I don't want to play this game anymore. And so he says, when are you going to finally be cast out? Because you said tomorrow like 50 fucking times. So when is it going to happen? And Beelzebub goes, soon, but not yet. And then God, the bishop is like, bro, tell me. So Beelzebub says, okay, 3pm on Friday, you must know. So he also likes notary. So he literally says, 3pm on Friday, great. The bishop says, how will we know you left? And Beelzebub says, well, I'll have cured Nicola's arm. She won't be paralyzed on her arm. And the bishop says, well okay, when you're, Are you still around all the time or are you going other places in between possessing her? And Beelzebub says, actually I was at your place last night and I saw you praying at 3am huh? And then he said your prayers are starting to work. Okay, which like, are you mocking me?

[Christine Schiefer]

Never say that, that's ridiculous.

[Em Schultz]

Well this sets off an already mad bishop because I, I feel like, I feel like it could be scary of like, oh, it's starting to work and affect me and like the power of Christ compels me, but it could also just be him saying, haha, I'm kidding.

[Christine Schiefer]

They'Re never gonna work, right? Yeah, it's totally working. Keep trying. Yeah, good point, good point.

[Em Schultz]

So this hot headed bishop, as we know, he was already pissed. So he puts the sacraments to Nicholas face and to prevent Beelzebub from hurting her any further during this event. And I guess because he knows he's about to go off on Beelzebub and he's like, I'm gonna put a sacrament to her now to like almost like block off whatever you try to do in retaliation. But here's what I have to say to you, Beelzebub, and then literally tells him, you so offend God that you can never even hope for forgiveness. You don't deserve love or hope, only eternal damnation. I love that. The meanest thing the bishop can say is nobody likes you.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. Which honestly is pretty mean. But also, yeah, isn't that the point.

[Em Schultz]

So during this, Beelzebub mocks the bishop. He blows out his ritual candle, so he has to keep relighting them, which is so annoying.

[Christine Schiefer]

I like how you do a lighter. Like, as if they had Bic lighters back then. It's like, were they rubbing sticks together? Okay, now I'm just like, that would be a pain.

[Em Schultz]

Actually, that does make it so much more annoying if you don't have fire at your fingertips. Like, what the hell are they doing?

[Christine Schiefer]

Oil lamps. And. But I don't know.

[Em Schultz]

Well, but in that case, just blow up the oil. Whatever, whatever. So he's mocking the bishop. He's blowing out the candles. The bishop holds the sacrament near him. And. And the bishop says, what have you gained from this? Like, why are you doing this? Beelzebub says, many have been converted by witnessing the great power of the sacrament.

[Christine Schiefer]

Ooh. Oh, God. Okay, I thought you meant converted to, like, Satanism, not like, ugh.

[Em Schultz]

No, but that goes to prove, apparently, that he is. Even though he is a powerful demon, he is still compelled by Christ to be used to bring people to Catholicism.

[Christine Schiefer]

Right? Yeah. It proves that.

[Em Schultz]

The bishop then says, why did you possess such a virtuous Catholic woman? And Beelzebub says, by permission of God to show Protestants that devils can possess you. Whenever God permits, I have taken possession of Nikola to convert them and to harden them in their sins. And by the sacred blood, I shall perform my task.

[Christine Schiefer]

Whoa.

[Em Schultz]

By the power of God and the sacred body and blood of Jesus, I confess that Jesus Christ is here and truly present. He is my lord and master. It tortures me to confess it, but I must.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, come on. Likely story.

[Em Schultz]

And then Beelzebub says that the sacrifice sacrament only causes him pain so much. And it's the only thing that works so well because it is the true body and blood of Christ. I mean, like, it's just so on the nose at this point. It's not even height. They're not even hiding it.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's almost like you get to the end of a movie and you're like, really? That's how they're gonna wrap it up?

[Em Schultz]

Yes.

[Christine Schiefer]

I thought.

[Em Schultz]

We get it. You hate Protestants, right?

[Christine Schiefer]

Like, I thought it'd be some elevated thing. And then it's like, no, well, here's.

[Em Schultz]

Here's a. An uptick for you. Beelzebub then says, I shall go, but I shall not go empty handed. I shall take along with me the head of the bailiff. And the bailiff was the guy that I for, remember, for a While she was staying at a cell.

[Christine Schiefer]

The jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First of all, leave that guy alone.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, well, apparently at one point he said something like he was a skeptic. And he was like, if this is all real, then, like, the devil can have my head.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, gosh. Okay, never mind. He did kind of say something. Probably not good, but he also, like.

[Em Schultz]

That is giving the same energy as, like, my mom said, may the devil take you. So exactly. Like, how. How easy is this door to open?

[Christine Schiefer]

And really, it doesn't feel right.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, well, apparently that was it for the bishop, because now all of a sudden, we're threatening the bailiff's head. And maybe they were friends or something. So the bishop is like that, and then says, this is a quote. You wicked unclean spirit, you arch enemy of God. The people in the hotel room next to me must think I'm so crazy.

[Christine Schiefer]

They're like, is. Is our neighbor watching? What does that tell evangelist, like, Billy Graham? Old Billy Graham tapes.

[Em Schultz]

I feel like the cleaning lady probably just like walked right past my door. I was like, skip, you wicked unclean spirit, you arch enemy of God. Behold the precious body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, thy Lord and master. I command you to depart instantly and forever from this creature of God. Depart to the deepest depth of hell and be tormented forever. And when he said this, he put the sacrament to her lips. And Nicholas starts writhing and her limbs crack and 15 men can barely hold holds her. And then her tongue hangs out, her face is swollen, she changes colors from yellow to green to gray to blue. And apparently she. This is a quote from the book I read. She no longer looked like a person, but a hideous incarnate demon. And her screams of pain sounded like a bull. So now we know which animal he was.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

And for a moment, Beelzebub seems to have fully been cast out of Nicola. Oh. And she still seems, like, distorted and she's rolled up into a ball. And so the bishop says, okay, one last time. I'm gonna put the sacrament to you and officially heal you. But then. Christine.

[Christine Schiefer]

What?

[Em Schultz]

Suddenly, the demon returns, tries to grab the sacrament from the bishop's hand. There is a tug of war between the bishop and an invisible hand.

[Christine Schiefer]

This is the fucking performance of his life and mine.

[Em Schultz]

Fuck you in the arsenal.

[Christine Schiefer]

I know you have so many. This is just his one chance in his measly little 16th century life to.

[Em Schultz]

Be his eternal life. Yeah, yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

He just like, wants to put on a performance.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, Bishop. Yes, yes, yes.

[Christine Schiefer]

I'm just happy for him for that, like, he gets to do the miming of like, no.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. I wonder if, like, backstage, him and Nikola finally came to an agreement of like, okay, I'm in the show, right? Like, I get to eat one of them, please.

[Christine Schiefer]

Let me just add a little pizzazz.

[Em Schultz]

So he's having this tug of war by himself with this stupid fucking wafer.

[Christine Schiefer]

Invisible demon. Yeah. Y.

[Em Schultz]

And Nicola levitates again. But the bishop holds the sacrament one once more in his hand. And the crowd, he tells the crowd to call upon God. Of course.

[Christine Schiefer]

Here we go.

[Em Schultz]

And with the power of prayer, they hear a crash of thunder. And one source mentions here that this crack of thunder and the power of prayer coming from the. The mob at the. The mob. It becomes a mob, by the way. He's having this tug of war on stage. Meanwhile, in the crowds, everyone is so overwhelmed with the power of prayer. And the Protestants and the Catholics are now mad at each other because they're praying differently. And so now there's a fight in the streets and it's this battle. No, a literal fight. An army of God, if you will. And yet the bishop still held the sacrament and told the crowd that the true body of Jesus Christ will help us. And with that, Beelzebub finally was overcome by the power of the sacred body. Body and was truly cast out. And it happened on a Friday at 3pm, which not only is what Beelzebub predicted, but it's also the same time that apparently Jesus died on the cross.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

3:00Pm and Nicola woke up on her own. Her arm, after three months of being paralyzed, was completely healed. And not to mention, of course, on this day, many Protestants repented and turned to Catholicism, the true ways of Jesus Christ. And this story became known as the miracle of law and helped reinforce so many anti Protestant rhetorics in Catholic spaces, especially in France. And it actually also led to copycat cases in France where people were claiming possession, had multiple public exorcisms said that it was Protestants fault. And for such a big story, my favorite part at the end of this is that nobody has no idea what happened to Nicola Aubrey, after this.

[Christine Schiefer]

Wait, what? They just don't care anymore. They're like, she's now just a girl and we don't.

[Em Schultz]

Like nobody wanted a fucking update, I guess.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, come on.

[Em Schultz]

Which makes me think she was never real. Or she ran away and hid forever. Because after the fame, you know, that.

[Christine Schiefer]

Must have been just. Just so bright.

[Em Schultz]

I'm never telling that story again in my life. Christine. The end.

[Christine Schiefer]

I. What if I'm like, tell me what if on my deathbed I'm like, tell me the tale.

[Em Schultz]

I go, okay, you can play episodes one through three.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bye. I'm going to go get lunch. That. That's. Wow.

[Em Schultz]

I have to tell you, I have wondered in the past, like, why don't I do more three parters? This is why. This is why after three weeks, I don't want to talk about it.

[Christine Schiefer]

And I felt bad. I was kind of like. I was like, em, I have an idea. Like, the thing I'm covering, like, you. You don't even have to worry. Like, don't, like, skip your notes. Don't worry. And Emma was like, I can't skip my notes because especially after they hate.

[Em Schultz]

You, God, for skipping your two parts. I know.

[Christine Schiefer]

And to be fair, most people were very kind and like, it's not a big deal, but there were just a few people being like, this is unprofessional. And everyone was like, you're. They're not going to last. They're not going to last very long.

[Em Schultz]

I. I certainly wanted it to be over, especially not only did I not want to talk about something for three weeks, but Catholicism, Babe, really? No, thank you.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, I mean, same. What do you. How do you think I feel over here? What a time.

[Em Schultz]

Well, I'll tell you, I thank you everyone who stuck through that or just fast forwarded through my part. Now you're at Christine's part. And I have to tell you, you're about to have the, I think the best episode of your life. I listen, we didn't even have to record this week and Christine said, let's record in our hotel rooms because I have to talk about it.

[Christine Schiefer]

I can't wait any longer.

[Em Schultz]

She couldn't hold it in. So without further ado.

[Christine Schiefer]

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[Em Schultz]

I mean, I love that we work with neutral because it means I get to look and talk about your hair.

[Christine Schiefer]

Thank you so much.

[Em Schultz]

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[Christine Schiefer]

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[Em Schultz]

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[Christine Schiefer]

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[Em Schultz]

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[Christine Schiefer]

I think that's a silly thing to even say because obviously everyone knows that about us, but we do love Mac and cheese. Leona loves Mac and cheese. Now that Goodalls ex just I live happily in my little home with everyone just eating Mac and cheese and I feel good about life.

[Em Schultz]

Goodall's line of Mac and cheese has so many great flavors including vegan and gluten free options. So all the times that I had my, my, as my grandpa would say, the dirty la hippies, when he, when they come over to my house, they wouldn't want to have Mac and cheese because they're like, oh no, I'm vegan.

[Christine Schiefer]

Guess what?

[Em Schultz]

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[Christine Schiefer]

Surprise.

[Em Schultz]

So suck on that, grandpa.

[Christine Schiefer]

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[Em Schultz]

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[Christine Schiefer]

We pardon the interruption of your regularly scheduled programming for an exclusive Ghost Adventures briefing. Breaking news this morning as the wife of Ghost Adventures star Erin Goodwin was arrested in connection with an alleged murder for hire plot of her own husband. We take you now to the hotel room of Ghost Adventures mega fan Christine Schiefer. Christine, what can you tell us? Thanks Christine.

[Em Schultz]

Shut the fuck up. Are you doing your own interview with yourself? You're such an insane person.

[Christine Schiefer]

Thanks Christine. Here's what we know so far. I'm here with EM Schultz, Mega, mega fan of Ghost Adventures. Em, could you give us a little background? Tell us who Erin Goodwin.

[Em Schultz]

This was a decision you made at two in the morning for sure.

[Christine Schiefer]

I did write a thing and I said. But ask em also.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, hold on. Sorry. Ask me. I'm sorry. I actually didn't hear what you said because I'm still so fucking blown away at how insane you are.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay, thanks Christine. I'm here on the ground where the story is developing. I'm here with Mega, mega fan M. Schultz and can you tell us what you know about Aaron Goodwin?

[Em Schultz]

Why am I so nervous?

[Christine Schiefer]

He's 48 years old.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, I know that he is.

[Christine Schiefer]

I wrote some facts.

[Em Schultz]

He's the co host of the hard hitting docu series from Zachary Alexander Bagans. That's right, Ghost Adventures where he is often the punching bag to Zach Bagans. He is the comedy fodder where he gets thrown into. He's just like bullied situation. He's constantly bullied. And what I will say because I. In case anyone's wondering, obviously we're talking about the situation of this of of the week. But I know nothing. So when I tell you all I know about him is that he's the co host of Ghost Adventures. I really mean it. I did. I did not look this up so you could tell me everything.

[Christine Schiefer]

So delighted. Okay, let me tell you, let me tell you. So let's get into it folks. I'm not going to read the whole fucking story like that. I promise. I did write it in my capital letter teleprompter style that I used in journalism school.

[Em Schultz]

You literally can't. People would die for that.

[Christine Schiefer]

So I didn't write the rest in tell in in. Maybe I should have asked like Chad GBD to rewrite it in. In teleprompter font. But I. I just did not have the time because there's so much. Okay, listen. I'm gonna get through this. It's not super long, but it's crazy. You guys, I don't know if you've heard this. There's been breaking news on the Ghost Adventures front. I'm not even kidding. It's not season number 78 or something coming out.

[Em Schultz]

If you listen to the show, you know what this newsbreak is?

[Christine Schiefer]

I hope so. Essentially, Aaron Goodwin, People keep saying the star of Ghost Adventures. I'm like, he is not these. He's a star. Not the star of Ghost Avengers. Like, I want to be clear, that's.

[Em Schultz]

Zach's Is co star. Fair.

[Christine Schiefer]

Co star is probably fair. Well, you asked Zach. Zach probably would have very strict, like, assistant to the regional manager vibes, you know? You know what I mean? Like, I don't think that he's even a co star. He's. He's like a code to the star. I don't know, but either way. So Aaron, he's this, like, doofy guy. He's always getting mocked on the show. He's kind of like. The joke is like, oh, Aaron, go in this dark basement, and then he, like, slams the door. It's kind of like what we did to Eva a little bit on our ghost hunts. Like, leave her in a basement with a recording device. Like, it's sort of the same vibe. But they're good friends. They're like, really old friends. They met decades ago. And so Aaron, he and Victoria, his wife, got together in 2018. They got engaged in 2019, and they got married in August 2022 at Disneyland's Haunted Mansion.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, that's fun.

[Christine Schiefer]

Very beautiful wedding. Very Disney. Not totally my style, but, like, they looked gorgeous. She had this big princess dress, you know, the whole nine yards.

[Em Schultz]

I feel like she's a Disney adult and, like, their compromise for a wedding.

[Christine Schiefer]

I found it on Reddit.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, great. Well, I mean, that makes total sense, because if they were like, how do we combine our interests? Since, like, yeah, Disney ghost.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, it's. It's. I was like. Like, what a. Like, a plus on the planning there. And so to outsiders and insiders, because Aaron himself didn't realize their relationship seemed really strong. Like, there didn't seem to be any issues. They. In fact, they often posted about each other. Victoria posted about their adventures. Aaron was always talking about how much he loved her. On Valentine's Day this year, he posted. They both posted about each other, and he said, my Valentine always beats me at mini golf. So they're just, like, doing this whole romantic thing.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. So he has. He's. I mean, obviously he did not know what was going on in the way that. But also, like, do we have Ms. Reporter? I'm now the one in the audience and you're on the podium and I'm. I'm shooting my shot conference. Yes.

[Christine Schiefer]

All right, I'll say. And that's what you drink. Go ahead.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, I forgot my question. Oh.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, my God. Security.

[Em Schultz]

Did. Did we hear. Hear anything from, like, anyone that knew them to say, like, yeah, we thought the relationship was kind of crazy? No, no.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, maybe that'll come out, but at least. And I will say, like, I don't think anyone from her side is speaking right now, but as far as we know from, like, the folks in his immediate circle, everyone seemed completely blindsided. The word they used was blindsided. Okay, so here's what happened timeline wise. And I also use a ton of sources for this to just find every detail I could. So I will include that in the show notes, but I'm not going to mention where every fact came from. But on March 6, 2025. So what is today, the 18th? So two weeks ago, approx. March 6, 2025, Aaron was shooting a lockdown investigation with Ghost Adventures when he received a call from the police to inform him that his wife Victoria had been arrested in connection with solicitation to commit murder and conspiracy to commit murder of him.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, so I can't wait for that tape to come out eventually, the phone call, because I feel like at first they must have said like, oh, yeah, she was arrested for. So yes, you'd be like, for what?

[Christine Schiefer]

What happened?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. And he'd be like, that's not her. You got her. You got the wrong girl. Like, that wouldn't be what happened. And then they have to break it to him like, he. She was trying to get you, dude. You know? God.

[Christine Schiefer]

Okay, get ready for this. You're gonna love this quote the moment. This is from Daily Mail. The moment took place on camera, but reportedly will not be shown on the next season of the show, which currently airs on the Discovery Channel. Goodwin's co star, Zach Bagans, has creative control when it comes to the series. No shit. Insiders told the outlet and has plans to speak to the network before a decision is officially made on whether to include the call during a future episode.

[Em Schultz]

I love that he has creative control and Aaron has no control of his own life.

[Christine Schiefer]

And then Zach's like, I'll talk to the producers. Like, won't you talk to Aaron? And also, like, it would go so hand in hand with all the shit that he's done to this Poor guy.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, so I was actually, I didn't. I was actively trying not to interrupt because what I wanted to say earlier.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, please do. This is a open panel now. Open panel discussion.

[Em Schultz]

You know that when they got a call and it was from the police, you know, cameras on rolling before like that we ever got any information. As soon as they thought the police was calling Aaron. I can already hear what he was planning to say in the future. ADR completely. Is this connected to the evil darkness of this house that the Bobby Mackeys.

[Christine Schiefer]

Which apparently caused Aaron's first divorce.

[Em Schultz]

Yes, exactly. Like the way that he was already writing lines of how he was going to. To say it over that B roll for sure.

[Christine Schiefer]

Like, you know, and to an extent I get it, but not to the attempted murder of your co host by their own spouse. Like that gets a little too far for me.

[Em Schultz]

I mean, how do you even. Okay, so here's another question that obviously.

[Christine Schiefer]

Well, you were like, oh man, I wish I could see that clip. But I'm like, you might.

[Em Schultz]

We all the fact that it exists. I mean of course it would be caught on camera like something like. But I mean which might get you is like in court or something. I don't know. Maybe it's all in like green and black and night vision.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh my God. It's an infrared camera. And you see Zach going, what is it? What is it? Put it on speaker, Aaron, speaker. Bro, we're trying to film here.

[Em Schultz]

Turn off the phone. But my. My next question is like, what. First of all, where were they investigating?

[Christine Schiefer]

Second of all, we don't know because. Because it's under wraps where they were. But I will tell you where they were investigating when I will tell you more details about the actual attempted hit. Do know is that they were on lockdown also when he received the call.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, my next question is like because we've done enough of these. We're like, if you. You have to pay a certain amount to get in and all this stuff, right? I'm like, do you keep ghost hunting after that now that you've already paid the down payment or did they cancel literally? Just Zach would make him right Attack.

[Christine Schiefer]

Zach took our hotel room the night before with like 10 grand, 15 grand or whatever. Like to him, I'm like, I don't think he even care. Like I feel like he has the money to just be like, whatever we'll do you think.

[Em Schultz]

Do you think Zach made him keep ghosting it or do you think they shut it down for the day?

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, I'm assuming They shut it down because I think he. I think he had to go into like some sort of.

[Em Schultz]

Certainly Aaron wasn't in the right head space.

[Christine Schiefer]

No, certainly not. I assume. I assume he, you know, anyway, but what I believe they were in Barstow, California. At least that is when the plot was sort of starting to. To get. To get going. So who knows whether the hell Zach is going to put this on the show. Just kidding. We know. He totally is. Zero doubt in my mind what's whatsoever. So he gets his call and they're. They're on a lockdown investigation. Unknown to Aaron, Victoria had been secretly exchanging romantic messages with an inmate in federal prison named Grant Amato since May of 2024. So she was basically having a pen pal affair with this guy in prison.

[Em Schultz]

For almost a year.

[Christine Schiefer]

For almost a year, yes. So, Amato, I just want to do like a side tangent about who this guy is because nobody really talked about about it in depth. And I saw triple murderer Grant Amato and I went, what the F. And then I saw another like, blurb that said imprison or, you know, sentenced to however long to life in prison for murdering his family. And I'm like, what? So, okay, I did a little dig into who this guy is, and it's like a mini crime story inside this crime story. So this guy, Grant Amato, he was serving time in a Florida prison for the 2019 murders of his own family. Family. According to Us Weekly, he and Victoria allegedly became pen pals after she saw his story in the 2024. You can't make this up. Paramount plus true crime documentary Control, Alt.

[Em Schultz]

Desire, which now everyone's watching, I'm sure.

[Christine Schiefer]

Big time biggest hit that just that Paramount plus is added.

[Em Schultz]

Paramount plus is like, thank you. Yeah, thanks for the shout out.

[Christine Schiefer]

But yeah, apparently she watched an episode. Imagine watching a true crime episode. Do it every day. I do it every, every day. Imagine watching one about somebody killing his family and going, now that's a hottie, you know?

[Em Schultz]

Well, yeah, I was gonna say, did she reach out to him because she thought he was hot?

[Christine Schiefer]

She just saw him and was like, into him.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, that's so like, so that makes.

[Christine Schiefer]

Me see the episode. I'll watch it and see if there's anything like, particularly engaging about this guy. But the fact that he murdered his family feels a little bit already like a rainbow red flag to me. No, no big deal.

[Em Schultz]

So if. And if nobody. So not at all. Not blaming Aaron. Let's be clear. But they. I'm like, so was there already like, like Marital issues or something for her to just, like, so flippantly. Okay. So I was like, how would you.

[Christine Schiefer]

Go from totally happy a few months earlier? So it's not like this has been years of, like, dissatisfaction, right? Like, they. They met in 2018, got married in 2022, and now this is happening in 2024. It's not months, sorry, two years later. Which, like, I'm not saying. I'm not saying you can't be unhappy. I'm saying, like, jumping from getting married in 2022 to, like, trying to murder somebody.

[Em Schultz]

Well, or also, like, even just being, like, getting married and being truly happy to, like, and. And not doing anything unfaithful to just, oh, I'm gonna talk to this guy. Because, yeah, like. Like that.

[Christine Schiefer]

Because I saw him on a crime documentary. It wasn't even. Even, like, an accidental bumping into each other. It wasn't like, oh, an old flame reached out. It's like she saw it and actively pursued him, Which I just am like, what in the fuck are you doing?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, what was it about him? Or what? What was going on behind the scenes with her that we don't know about?

[Christine Schiefer]

Well, let me tell you his story, because I will. I want to be so clear on what this guy's fucking past is, because there is zero understanding on my part of, like, why she was so into this guy. But the episode follows the investigation of this guy, Grant Amato. He was accused. Accused of killing his parents and his brother because they banned him from talking to a cam model named Sylvie.

[Em Schultz]

Okay, so short fuse. He's got, like. It took nothing for him to want to kill.

[Christine Schiefer]

Not nothing. Earlier that year, Amado's family was found at their home in Chuluota, Florida. I hope I'm saying that right. Chulota, Florida. The scene was allegedly staged as a murder suicide that appeared to frame his deceased brother. Brother Amato fled the re the residence. A 24 manhunt ensued after investigators noticed his vehicle was missing. Once he was tracked down abroad, and for questioning, he claimed to have no idea what happened to his parents and brother. However, investigators found that one of the family's credit cards was used to purchase 600 of tokens to talk to this cam girl named Sylvie. Now, why did Grant Amato's family ban him from talking to Sylvie? Well, let me tell you. Amato had developed personal feelings for Sylvie, the cam girl, and paid to talk to her on a consistent base basis. He did not have a job at the time, but he allegedly stole $200,000 from his brother. And father to talk to Sylvie online.

[Em Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

So after they realized he had taken this 200 grand for this, they. They realized he needed help, so they sent him to a rehab facility. Once he returned from treatment, his family gave him an ultimatum. If he was going to keep living at their home, he had to get a job, go to therapy, and pay for his own phone. And cam girl.

[Em Schultz]

Sure.

[Christine Schiefer]

Instead of following the request, he stole his mother's phone to contact Sylvie, and the family kicked them out. Kicked him out. And then he came and murdered them all.

[Em Schultz]

So did he do it? Do we think he did it in the name of love and, like, don't tell me I can't talk to this woman. Or was it the. Just he didn't like being told, you.

[Christine Schiefer]

Know, I don't know. I don't know. I'm gonna watch the episode later, and hopefully I'll have, like, a better idea, because all I know is the kind of facts of it. I don't really know what the.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. And where's the cam model now? Like, did she have anything to say about.

[Christine Schiefer]

I don't know. I don't know. That's a really good point, because this was also, like, a totally separate article. Like, I couldn't find this anywhere in the story of Aaron and Victoria. Yeah, but so to, like, come back to the story, Victoria was exchanging messages, like, romantic. Like, she saw the story about him and. And went, well, that guy's for me. I mean, maybe she thought, like, he would send her money. Like, I don't know.

[Em Schultz]

I.

[Christine Schiefer]

Like, I don't know.

[Em Schultz]

But also, like, oh, I see.

[Christine Schiefer]

Well, also, like, he doesn't have any.

[Em Schultz]

I also wonder for a year, like, where. So she. She had to know it was shady from the very beginning, because unless Aaron saw letters from prison coming. So they were.

[Christine Schiefer]

They were texts. They called it a pen pals, but they were just texting, texting.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, okay, I see.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, I assume there was a way they. Pen pal. I assume at the beginning, you're probably right. They probably did. Pen pal. Because you can't just, like, text someone without knowing how to contact them. But then she sent him a phone, gave him money for a phone, and that's how they started communicating. From then on, you can just get.

[Em Schultz]

A phone in jail.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, not legally.

[Em Schultz]

Sure. Okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. And actually, that's how it ends up coming out, because they seized his phone and said this. So. Yeah. So essentially, they started this romantic tet. A tet. She used the alias Victoria Candy with an I. E. It felt like she was Trying to be cam model. I don't know. I. Like, I don't know what's going on. But she. She described. She called herself Victoria Candy, and according to the police report, they wrote about how much they are in love. But pretty soon the conversations turned dark because she wanted a way out of her marriage, and she said FH didn't want a divorce. Now, I was confused by this because FH in, like, wedding lingo and stuff, and her being a Disney adult in cruise ships. In Disney, like, jargon, DH means dear husband and FH means future husband. So I was like, why are you calling him future husband? And he doesn't want a divorce? Like, you're already married. I didn't totally understand that.

[Em Schultz]

Was that done multiple times? Because D and F are next to each other on accordion keyboard. Maybe she just said maybe.

[Christine Schiefer]

Although they were texting, so I don't.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, you're right. I don't know. Maybe first husband. I don't know.

[Christine Schiefer]

Fh. Yeah. So maybe. Maybe it meant something else. But her being a Disney adult and all, I was like, she probably knows what FH means, like future husband. Maybe she called him that for years. Oh, that was the other thing. Their wedding was delayed by several years because of COVID So maybe she just got used to, you know how people say, like, yeah, yeah, fiance. Maybe she'll get you saying future husband and didn't switch it. I don't know. It doesn't really matter. But essentially what she was saying is that her husband wants a divorce or does not want a divorce, so she needs to find. And I don't know that that's true or not. That's just what she told the guy. Allegedly. And she. Apparently this is how she initiated the criminal part of their conversation. So Victoria allegedly told Grant Amato she wanted her husband dead and began setting aside money for a hitman. A total of $11,515 dollars with a down payment of $2,500. And she did pay that 2500.

[Em Schultz]

Wow.

[Christine Schiefer]

Police cited. And that is apparently how he got the phone.

[Em Schultz]

So, sorry, maybe you already said this, but if not, so is he getting out of jail? Like, it sounds like she's asking someone who's already in jail and can't get to him to kill him.

[Christine Schiefer]

So he's going to contact the hitman for her.

[Em Schultz]

I see. Okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

Because. Yes, like, right, he's in prison, but he has.

[Em Schultz]

Idiot.

[Christine Schiefer]

I know he has. Okay, so she sends him this $2,500 down payment. So she's serious about this. Like, she's not around. Police cited text records in which Victoria texted Amato quote, am I a bad person because I chose to end his existence, not divorce.

[Em Schultz]

Yes, girl.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, girl. Yeah, you are not. Not the divorce thing. Like, yeah, we. I know what you mean is she.

[Em Schultz]

Was she. Did she mean that? Am I a bad person person?

[Christine Schiefer]

I think she wanted him to be like, no, honey, we're just in love. I have no idea. Am I a bad person? Yeah, girl, yeah. What the fuck?

[Em Schultz]

Like that. I mean, I can't really say in hindsight because I'm learning all this at the same time, but the quickness that she just went into, like she just saw a big ass murderer on TV and then immediately went into writing. Like, the. There, there's. There is a disconnect. So when she says things like, there.

[Christine Schiefer]

Are other people, she's reached out out to there.

[Em Schultz]

That can't have been her first. That can't be her first.

[Christine Schiefer]

Like, what are the odds that this is the only person she reached out to and it like, blossomed into this thing? I mean, maybe, but I would put money on she's watch and reached out to people before because to. To do this so easily, without any issues, like, you must know how to. I don't know how to reach out to someone in prison. I mean, I could figure it out, I guess, but it seems like there's something going on.

[Em Schultz]

I. Yeah, I don't think it was her. I think it was the first person that like, wrote back to her or that she like, maybe had interest in or like, it, like it had run.

[Christine Schiefer]

A vibe I get. But like, to be clear, it's just a vibe.

[Em Schultz]

But for her to, to have those, like, impulsive, irrational, like, to behave that way. Now, looking at like, what happens later, like, it doesn't surprise me when she, she says, am I a bad person? I think something's like, off. I think there's. She's not getting it prized.

[Christine Schiefer]

I'm curious when the trial begins. March 25th, by the way. Everybody coming up one week from today, allegedly. We'll see what happens.

[Em Schultz]

But speedy trial, Damn.

[Christine Schiefer]

I know. That's what I said. I mean, that's probably the core. That's probably when they determine, well, okay, we'll get to it. So as for the timeline now, this is pretty wild. This is where I had to kind of go digging for, for like all the pieces because it was really confusing you at.

[Em Schultz]

God bless you, Chris.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, thank you. What can I say? I have some helpful hobbies that sometimes relate to our podcast. So as for the timeline, this is what we know. Allegedly, October 2nd of 2024. Victoria Candy sends Amato the location in Barstow, California, where Aaron was filming Ghost Adventures. So this is October. October 2nd of last year. Plus sent a picture, which is very fucked up, that Aaron had sent her, of him with the crew or with his buddies or, like, at the ghost town. There's a ghost town near Barstow. And apparently she sent Amato this picture to be like, this is what he looks like. And then sent the location and the hotel where he was staying while filming.

[Em Schultz]

So. So in theory, like, I mean, I know they weren't the actual. He wasn't the actual target, but, like, Zach could have also been hurt.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yes.

[Em Schultz]

Because now there's a picture of all of them and where they're.

[Christine Schiefer]

I don't know if I don't know who all was in the picture. I do know that he was on set with the crew, and she sent a picture of Aaron.

[Em Schultz]

It's. But see, that's the final thing.

[Christine Schiefer]

But I don't. You're right. I don't know who else was in the picture. I don't know if it was, like, the whole crew. I don't know if it was.

[Em Schultz]

That's another thing, though, of the. Like, that something's off about. Like, you would do this on set with a bunch of other witnesses and, like, people around. Like, it. Like, something. Something's not. Not that I know how to, like.

[Christine Schiefer]

Commit a murder, like, because he's traveling. So she's like, oh, I won't be connected to it because I'll be at home. Sure.

[Em Schultz]

But, like, still, there's still so many people who. Like, when you're on set and you're filming a TV show, like, people know every minute where you are. Someone's gonna find out immediately.

[Christine Schiefer]

But I think they were going for the hotel. So they knew the town, they knew where he was, they knew he was filming, et cetera. And I think their goal was to catch him alone in the hotel. Hotel.

[Em Schultz]

Like, after they wrap for the day.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine Schiefer]

Wherever they were staying, because, well, here we go. Amato responded. So she sends this information. Amato responds that he'll be in contact with someone, quote, who will be taking care of the situation. According to the police report, the two also discussed the 11 grand that Victoria had set aside for, quote, when the job is finished. This from the official police report. The next day, on October 3, according to police, Grant Amato allegedly texted the hired hitman, who we believe is a hired hitman. Quote, he's Asleep right now in his hotel room. I need to know what's going on. Can I get an update? Was it done? Later that day, his phone was seized and communication stopped.

[Em Schultz]

Wow.

[Christine Schiefer]

And it took from then until March 4th for them to analyze the phone and realize there was, like, a hitman plot on the phone. So they just seized the phone and she's probably sitting there like, I haven't heard from him.

[Em Schultz]

She also must have been like, yeah, well, I guess so from October to March. So that's like six months that she's married to him and seeing him all the time and, like, hoping she's not busted.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, this is why I need you later to go through her Instagram. She posted, like, lovey dovey posts all leading up to March. Like, between October and March. There was one, I think, like, within a. Probably get to it. But within a few days, she was posting like, I love. And I'm like, I wonder if it was in reaction to like, oh, I can get in trouble, you know, or if it was just their norm. But, like, even Valentine's Day, they were all lovey dovey, just. Just wild. So it wasn't until March 4th. So she must have just been pooping her pants. Every day.

[Em Schultz]

Every day.

[Christine Schiefer]

It wasn't till March 4 that the phone was fully analyzed and authorities were told about the alleged murder plot. So two days later, on March 6th, Victoria was arrested. Arrested.

[Em Schultz]

Do you think she thought. Sorry, I know we were just talking about. But do you think. Do you think in those six months she ever thought she was busted? Or do you think like, oh, he just lost his phone?

[Christine Schiefer]

I think she started to feel. I don't know. I don't know if he ever called her. I have no idea. My guess, like, if. Okay, if she didn't know that the phone was taken. Yeah. I guess you could probably just be nervous, but write it off as like, oh, he, like, duped me, or like, yeah, his phone got stolen, but it's fine, or it broke or whatever. My guess is somehow they touched base, I would imagine. But if that's the case, and he's like, hey, guards took my phone. I imagine those six months were so high stress for her.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Because it'd be one thing if. If he just, like, never. If she never heard from him again in those six months and be like, oh, he broke up with me, or he's too scary.

[Christine Schiefer]

I imagine, like, in January, I feel like you'd be like, okay, maybe I'm in the clear because it's been Three months and nobody said anything. So, like, I imagine that was almost more shocking. Like, okay, it's been months and months. Like, nobody said anything. Surely they would have looked at the text by now.

[Em Schultz]

I can't even imagine.

[Christine Schiefer]

Wheels of justice move slow, my friend. Give it six months and they'll check the text, you know?

[Em Schultz]

So sorry I keep interrupting you.

[Christine Schiefer]

Please, no, please. That's what I wanted. I. Because I. I just am, like, blank blabbing all this at you. But basically, it took till March 4 for them to, like, report this to the police. After analyzing the phone two days later, March 6th, Victoria was arrested. That's when they called Aaron while he was filming somewhere else, I assume, and said, hey, your wife's been arrested for the attempted murder of you.

[Em Schultz]

I would still be in denial for, like, at least a full day. I'd be like, you. This is obviously time.

[Christine Schiefer]

Like, I, like, is Zach pranking me? Yeah. From Zach. Seriously?

[Em Schultz]

Well, I would have been like, first of all, it would be hard for me to even get over the. She was texting another guy.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, that's true.

[Em Schultz]

Like, I wouldn't even be able to process that in a day, though. Like, she was like, you think she's cheating on me? But we're so happy together. Let alone. Let alone she saved money. She puts on a deposit. She also, like, we talk about all the time, but, like, to. To find for people who find out that they were on a hit list or something like that, to find out their price. And, like, it was like, 12,000 and woof. I wonder if he had a thought about that. About, like, where was that? Was that my money? Like, not that that's, like, the biggest concern, but, like, where'd the money even come from? How was she saving it without knowing.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, I'll kill him for, like, kill him for 11,000. That's enough. It's like, ugh, God.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. They literally paid 15,000 to steal a Queen Mary room from us.

[Christine Schiefer]

No, allegedly. Allegedly. Thank you. So sources told TMZ that Aaron was blindsided and devastated at this turn of events involving his wife, as he thought he was in a happy marriage. So up until Victoria's arrest, he believed their marriage was solid. Just one week before the arrest. So end of February, Victoria had posted a photo of their, like, legs intertwined and their cat on top of their laps. And it said, cuddle puddle with my boy. So she was, like, full on playing the loving wife. You know, I can't imagine.

[Em Schultz]

And, you know, in six months, they must have at least, like, kissed or hugged Once and for, like, I would feel if I were Aaron. I feel so bad for Aaron. I can't imagine knowing, like, I just hugged someone who, for the last six months, I've been overdoed.

[Christine Schiefer]

They were on the couch, like, cuddling, you know, like, they were clearly still very intimate. A. Goodwin. According to ET Goodwin was reportedly shattered, and the same source said that he was getting love and support from his ghost Ghost Adventures team. I will say it was really awkward at the end of this Entertainment Tonight, like, clip that I watched because they were like, breaking news, you know, it's all dramatic. And then they shoehorn. This clip at the end of the host from, like, years ago interviewing Aaron on set. And it says, like, as for the safety or security on set, here's what Aaron told me in a past interview. And Aaron's like, so what a lockdown is, is it means that homeless people can't break in while we're film. And it's like, oh, God, could have been.

[Em Schultz]

Could have not used that.

[Christine Schiefer]

Could have not shoved that clip into the end. But I was like, that seems totally irrelevant. Except that the guy in the clip was the one hosting the Entertainment Tonight voiceover. It was just strange. I was like, I don't. Okay.

[Em Schultz]

I guess there's only so many clips of Eren not in night vision.

[Christine Schiefer]

Right. And not being overshadowed by him.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, he.

[Christine Schiefer]

So if this helps, kind of give an idea. He has since after how shocking this must have been. He has since obtained a court order to have her stay away from him, prevent any form of contact for three months. And since then. I'll get to it in a little bit. But he has also filed for divorce, thankfully. So he's not in like, denial about this or anything.

[Em Schultz]

I mean, we've always felt bad for Aaron in different ways, but. But in this way, like, I can't imagine. Imagine. I mean, first of all, the. The. The shattering feeling of being cheated on. The shattering feeling of being cheated on with someone in true crime when you are in true crime paranormal spaces.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yes, true.

[Em Schultz]

The shattering of not only that, but she ever wanted to break up with you that she ever wanted. And like, it didn't matter what you.

[Christine Schiefer]

Happy this whole time.

[Em Schultz]

But she wasn't happy. And like. And not only I. I can't even touch the. She wanted me dead.

[Christine Schiefer]

Right.

[Em Schultz]

Or like, that goes. Or she. I mean, it feels almost like. Almost like a. The flip side or like a woman side of like a family annihilator where it's like, it's not that I want you dead. I Just don't want to be with you. But I'm too ashamed to ask for a divorce or something. Right.

[Christine Schiefer]

Because he didn't like she said he doesn't want a divorce but I'm like as far as we know he didn't even know there were any issues. I will say of course that's all like now hearsay. I don't know the real story but as far as from his perspective. But as far as I can tell he was. They were posting like for example literally after she had tried to have him killed. So after this October thing where she's put money down and blah blah blah, she posted. So they posted this YouTube video and it's called the Kuala Kuala Ranch tour with the Goodwins. And it's basically no from it's on November 18th they posted it of last year and this is about a month after or a month or two after all this this happen. So in the video they're seen touring this ranch in Honolulu County, Hawaii. They're in good spirits. They're on this Jurassic theme. They're like vlogging basically they're on this Jurassic park themed tour. Apparently at one point Aaron walks through the large like jaws of a dinosaur and is like it's eating me, like being Aaron, you know. So it's like very weird to see them kind of playing off each other and I mean I don't know if you've seen photos of them together but they are just like so lovey dovey. Like just like it's really shocking. I mean from an outsider perspective.

[Em Schultz]

And you know what's extra painful too is that she was probably so stressed about maybe being busted and wanting to like make sure she had some sort of alibi, testifying that she was in love with him, that she was probably over correcting.

[Christine Schiefer]

That's right.

[Em Schultz]

For the last six months he probably felt the happiest they'd ever been.

[Christine Schiefer]

And you fucking nailed exactly what was disturbing me. I was like, why the last six months has it been so crazy? Oh I see. Like why has it been such a romantic whirlwind? Oh I see.

[Em Schultz]

Like we're falling in love all over again or something. On top of that I can't imagine the crushing feeling of the paranoia for the rest of my life of like I just blissfully.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. Like what is even real?

[Em Schultz]

Well I just went around for six months and I was every day like I'm supposed to be dead. Like what does that mean for like tomorrow? Is there someone else that's supposed to hurt me? And I'M just like. Like, I would be constantly nervous at, like, did I just evade death when it was supposed to happen? Did I just evade death here? Like, was that. Was I supposed to survive that? Like, I would just be. Every day I would be so fucking stressed about, like, is something planned for to hurt me?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. Like, what if that guy still has that hitman ready to go? Who knows who that hitman was?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

The idea of, like, the next person you meet and they're like, I love you. And it's like, but do you. Like, how would you ever trust anybody, you know?

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. I got a feeling he's never going to marry again.

[Christine Schiefer]

That's just rough times. I just. It makes me. Yeah, it's just really unsettling. So as of last night, when I was finishing checking any final updates, Victoria Goodwin is being held on $100,000 bail pending her trial with a preliminary hearing. So it's just a preliminary hearing set for March 25, 2025. I assume we'll get more information that's a week from today. But as this comes out, it's probably, like, pretty on time.

[Em Schultz]

Do you think they've talked since. Do you think, like, he got that phone call from the police? I mean, I'm sure they were advised, like, don't talk to her, but, like, how awkward. You know, he's got. He wants to be at that preliminary hearing, and he's. The last time he saw her, they were in love, and now it's like, on trial for trying to kill me.

[Christine Schiefer]

He was like, sending her pictures of him at the thing, and she was like, oh, let me forward these to the hitman. You know, it's just like, how do you even process that? Yeah. So I don't know if they've spoken. I don't think so. Because he pretty immediately put up, like, a three month non contact, no contact order. So as for. Okay, here's Victoria's defense that I'm sure she's hoping Aaron will, but she's not.

[Em Schultz]

A bad person because.

[Christine Schiefer]

Right, exactly. Although she wasn't sure. Remember, she didn't. She never found out. Yes or no. So she claimed this was all just a fantasy. She was just daydreaming about being free from Aaron and never meant to go through with it. But financial transactions and detailed plans contradict her claims. That's all we know. But police said, no, no, she's lying. So I think Aaron had no choice but to be like, this is real. She did admit to sending Amato that $2,500 deposit, but she said she just thought it was for sale phones, which.

[Em Schultz]

Is, you're still going to jail, babe.

[Christine Schiefer]

Because you're giving cell phones. Yeah, yeah.

[Em Schultz]

You're giving inmates phones.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, it's for 2500. What kind of fucking Samsung Galaxy nonsense are you buying?

[Em Schultz]

Good luck to any lawyers who have to, like, literally operate against text messages that tell exactly what you want done. Like, and, like, I am curious what the actual I did too text message is that says, I want a hitman. Like, what was that conversation? Because at some point, it had to.

[Christine Schiefer]

Be so thoroughly, I'm gonna read every court transcript. I swear to God.

[Em Schultz]

At some point, it had to be said. The words, can you kill him? Or, how do we do it? Or I want him out of here.

[Christine Schiefer]

All the things that have been said are so such, like, hitman tropes. Like, I'll take care of it, Or I'll contact someone who can take care of it. You know, and it's like, for when the situation or when the job is finished, you know, all that. That kind of terminology. So, yeah. I wonder when the actual request, like, how she pivoted.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

To. Yeah. So authorities say Victoria was already making efforts to arrange for Amado to have Aaron murdered while he was on location working. And that, I think, is going to be the way that they pitch it at trial. Just six days after Victoria's arrest, Aaron filed for divorce. And here's what the filing stated. Our views, tastes, likes, and dislikes have become incompatible to the extent that it has become impossible for us to live together as husband and wife in marital harmony. He further added, there is no possibility of reconciliation between husband and wife.

[Em Schultz]

That's wild that they're getting divorced for irreconcilable differences. Not like, are you sure you can't, like, you can't, like, attempted murder reconcile this?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, select a box at the courthouse of why you're getting divorced. Well, infidelity. Yeah, but there's so much more.

[Em Schultz]

You know, maybe he's just trying to be classy about it. He's like, I don't even.

[Christine Schiefer]

His lawyer probably put it in. You know, I doubt he said anything. He probably was just having a meltdown. And his lawyer was like, I got this.

[Em Schultz]

I mean, I can't. And that was only two weeks ago. I don't even know if I. You can process it within two weeks. He probably still hasn't even figured out.

[Christine Schiefer]

Certainly not. And to go home to your home.

[Em Schultz]

Your family home with, like, framed pictures of you and, like, Everything. Everything smells like her. Like, her food is still in the fridge. Like, I mean, it's. It's the same as any breakup after you've lived with somebody, I guess. But this one's like, everything's tainted everything.

[Christine Schiefer]

And now. And now being famous, it's like the whole fucking world is gossiping about it, too. So it's not even like you get that privacy, you know?

[Em Schultz]

Well, that's. That's what I would feel so paranoid about. Like, am I safe at all? It's like, you already. Yeah, you already, as someone with fame, you're already maybe nervous about. Like, you're about security. And now it's like, well, shit, security wasn't going to save me from this, you know?

[Christine Schiefer]

Yep, yep, yep. And. And, ooh, it's so unsettling. He also requested full custody of their two dogs, Gracie and Max, stating that he had always been their primary caregiver anyway.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. And also, she might kill them. She apparently will kill living things away from her.

[Christine Schiefer]

I'm glad Aaron got the puppies. At least that's good.

[Em Schultz]

Well, I wonder if he's, like, staying with Zach or something. Like, I wonder, like, I wouldn't be able to live in that house. I wouldn't even want to be in that house, because what if the hitman's still out, knows where I live or something? Yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

Or the guy in prison knows. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure what. Where he is right now. I think that probably they're trying to keep that under wraps. But I will say, speaking of Zach, we do have a little bit on the GA front. Zach. Zach has reportedly been very, very devastated for his friend and says he's giving all the support the team can. I combed Reddit, and I found this screenshot of Zach's Instagram story from the other. Other day. Just as, like, exactly what you'd expect. Like, trying to be comforting, but also, like, was that the move, bud? Like, it wasn't bad. Here, I'll show it to you.

[Em Schultz]

Was it the Bob Marley song? Yes, yes.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, you saw that?

[Em Schultz]

Okay, I did.

[Christine Schiefer]

Literally.

[Em Schultz]

He posted Bob Marley. He posted pictures of him and Aaron together with the song Every Little Thing Is Going To Be all right.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's so cringe. I'm sending it to you just again, so you have it.

[Em Schultz]

Which, like.

[Christine Schiefer]

Like, I have to.

[Em Schultz]

Like, I. When I think of two men, I know being there for each other, it's already so few and far between that I don't want to. I don't want to criticize The I.

[Christine Schiefer]

Don'T want to hate on, like, their attempt at being comforting and loving to each other.

[Em Schultz]

Trying. But at the same time, it's like, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't have done it, but whatever.

[Christine Schiefer]

He basically. It's the two of them, and it's. They're cute photos. I mean, Aaron looks nuts in all of them, but I guess that's kind of his.

[Em Schultz]

His sh.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, his shtick. Marley. And then he wrote. He put a heart, like, gif. Floating around. And then, like, everything will be all right in text. And it's like, yeah, thanks.

[Em Schultz]

It's. Yeah, yeah.

[Christine Schiefer]

You know, it's kind. I feel like as far as Zach goes, nobody knows how he's going to react, but I think he's been very, very.

[Em Schultz]

Oh.

[Christine Schiefer]

And then somebody on Twitter, jokingly or X or whatever, jokingly, I guess, said, like, should have been Zach just saying or something.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, my God.

[Christine Schiefer]

I know. And I was like, not cute. And then Zach retweeted it and said, I'd be careful what you say. And I'm like, wait, now are you threatened? Like, what's going on? Everybody? But, you know, Zach was like, I also wait for how this is going to turn out with Zach on the show.

[Em Schultz]

I know. And I'm sure there's a million people. I. I can only imagine. I've read it. People being like, what do you think Zach thinks about it all? It's like, what do you think he thinks his best friend almost got murdered? I. Probably not good things. I've never understood that. When they're like, I wonder what they think. It's like, you have a brain. You can. You can guess what they think.

[Christine Schiefer]

That out of the ordinary, that he wouldn't know to be, like, sad.

[Em Schultz]

We don't like him because he's annoying, but, like, he's. We all also, like. I'm pretty sure I can guess that he has the same feeling any other person would feel.

[Christine Schiefer]

He has enough sense. I would think he's a pretty successful person and businessman and public figure. Yeah. I would. I would assume he knows how to react when something traumatic happens to a friend. Obviously, this is, like, you know, very niche as far as dramatic events go. Like, very, very rare. But still, you're right. Like, you know, he was. I. I mean, I assume he was pretty. And. And everybody. Everyone affiliated with all the sources that have reached out to papers or have. I can't imagine the pretty good.

[Em Schultz]

I can't imagine the. That night of ghost hunting. And I'm assuming they wrapped for the night. I. I hope they wrapped for the night.

[Christine Schiefer]

I hope so.

[Em Schultz]

And like, going back to the hotel that night, like, I don't think anyone slept. They were all probably just like in shambles. And also like, I feel like he.

[Christine Schiefer]

Had to go into the police station.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, yeah. Well, I was gonna say if he even went back to the hotel room, they probably just switched hotel rooms if they thought that like.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, that too too. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, well, no, this is from. That was from six months later.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, that was later. I don't think this was. This was. This was well after. But the fact that like, she knew where he was at that moment because she was still out and was still operating under this idea that, like, I'm.

[Em Schultz]

Telling you, I would be. I'd be so scared to be alone ever after that. Like, I. I'm. This has to.

[Christine Schiefer]

I don't have cause around people. I feel like just leave me alone in my body hole.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, I. I would think this would give me some like, level of like, agoraphobia, but also like always wanting someone nearby in case something happened or something.

[Christine Schiefer]

Safe.

[Em Schultz]

I don't know.

[Christine Schiefer]

Safe.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, it's gonna. It will do something.

[Christine Schiefer]

Hard to even imagine it will do.

[Em Schultz]

Something to him psychologically.

[Christine Schiefer]

I would imagine so. Yeah. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Oh, that poor guy.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, it's really. It's really blows because everyone, of course in the comments was like, hey, like, of all people, really, Aaron's gone through enough. Like, yeah, this guy, he's already being kind of like, like mock bullied on. On camera for like the shtick.

[Em Schultz]

And it feels almost like this is like written like it's a movie. Because it's like, why would the guy who's already like, known for like dark entertainment all of a sudden be the, like the victim here?

[Christine Schiefer]

Like, there were also a lot of kind of speculative comments, like, did Zach plan this?

[Em Schultz]

Oh, my God.

[Christine Schiefer]

No, Zach did not plan. Let's be real. Come on. Um, but yeah, it does feel like. Right. I was telling em. I was texting em the other day being like. Or maybe it was last night. Being like, this feels like we're in a simulation because how absurd. Like it's just like. Of all things. Yeah, it just feels outrageous. Like, I don't know. Um, I'm. I'm very curious, especially once. Once the pre. Preliminary hearing starts and. And I'm curious to see like what she pleads. And this probably.

[Em Schultz]

I know this is like such a stupid non important thing, but like, I would imagine this would make him and Zach and all of his Friends, like, so much closer. Like. Like, yeah. Think of all the people who are really rallying around to be.

[Christine Schiefer]

I mean, honestly, next time it might be, what's another one of their names? Aaron. Nick's gone.

[Em Schultz]

Billy. Jay.

[Christine Schiefer]

Billy, get in the basement. And Aaron's like, yeah, maybe. Hopefully.

[Em Schultz]

At the very least, hopefully, Aaron never has to do anything he never wants to ever again.

[Christine Schiefer]

You can't send them. Man who's traumatized by, like, a potential hit out on a hit on him and send him into an abandoned basement. Are you kidding? I. I'm scared to do that now.

[Em Schultz]

And.

[Christine Schiefer]

No, you know, and think about the context.

[Em Schultz]

Obviously, it's too soon right now, but I just know at some point this is going to get used as material.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, the fact that they were like, oh, Zach says he's creative control, but he'll talk to the producers. I'm like, you know, he's going to be like, sorry, this was over my head. It's like, no, you run this whole damn show. We all know it.

[Em Schultz]

You know, at some point, when Aaron is healed up enough and wants to go back to work and all this stuff, you know, that they're gonna go to a location where a woman tried to kill her husband, and they're gonna be like, use this. Use it. Like, it's gonna.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's gonna be something.

[Em Schultz]

It's gonna be something that's, like, really cringe.

[Christine Schiefer]

It's so disrespectful of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That he's gonna play along because he always does.

[Em Schultz]

Or maybe he'll be fine by then. I mean, maybe they. He's gonna handle this, like. Or something, you know, the right crew.

[Christine Schiefer]

To really get him. Get him through it. I hope, I hope. But everybody.

[Em Schultz]

I just know the fan base is.

[Christine Schiefer]

Like, very supportive and, like, rooting for him. So, you know, hopefully.

[Em Schultz]

I just. I can sense the impending material that will come from this eventually when everything is, like, said and done with.

[Christine Schiefer]

I feel like this is beyond the. The other stuff of, like, whatever the hell has happened to Zack Bagans that he's turned into an entire, like, narrative of his life. This definitely something he'll milk until the end of time.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah, I think he.

[Christine Schiefer]

No doubt. I think he doesn't care about Aaron, but he's also, above all else, a media mogul, so to speak.

[Em Schultz]

Like, he's a businessman.

[Christine Schiefer]

He's a businessman. He knows.

[Em Schultz]

I think he. I think he has enough of a brain and heart to hold off until he's been given the green light. But then when he's Given the green light, we are never going to hear the end of this.

[Christine Schiefer]

Oh, my God. He's never going to stop. And I, I just wanted everyone to hear the story before we get to that point because it's like, I don't know what's going to come of this, but imagine the dramatic recreations that could potentially exist. It's going to be out of control.

[Em Schultz]

I know. Well. Oh, when did the blazer come off? I didn't even see when I got.

[Christine Schiefer]

Really sweaty and was like, oh, I don't like wearing this anymore.

[Em Schultz]

Well done on, on your reporting. That was beautiful.

[Christine Schiefer]

Thank you. I really did think about doing the whole thing like that in. I was like, that's so fucking annoying. So I stopped. But I've been practicing my reporter voice a little bit. Very rusty. Thank you. And now I finally have my own blazer. I used to borrow Allison's in college all the time, and it was ill fitting on both of us, but we would like because she was in business classes and I was in journalism classes. So we'd pass the blazer back and forth. But unlike the sister to the child pants, the blazer did not fit either of us. So it feels nice to finally have a blazer that, that I can. Like a power suit.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. Yeah. I like to think that you were in a blazer up here, but down there you're just still in your underwear. You're just like you like a full Covid job interview.

[Christine Schiefer]

Far off. You're not far off. I'm in those boxer shorts that you, that you, that you showed me at the Pendleton whatever store.

[Em Schultz]

The ones I got you. Those are, those are good.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah. Those ones. Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

Yeah. I bought you boxers.

[Christine Schiefer]

Awesome.

[Em Schultz]

They rule.

[Christine Schiefer]

They rule. I'm not going to show anyone because I have not shaved my legs, but.

[Em Schultz]

Just know that they're there. All the hair. All the hair and all the legs are all there. Thank you for your insane story. I think, I don't think you'll get another breaking case like that.

[Christine Schiefer]

Gosh, that felt nice. It felt so on point for both of us, you know, like we kind of. Wow. And I, I, I just. All the respect to them. I'm not trying to milk this for anything. I just thought we should hear what was going on. So. Yeah. Remember when I said it would be short? Now it's over two hours. Sorry.

[Em Schultz]

Mine was an hour. An hour long. Next week I'm gonna have such a short one because I'm so. That stupid Catholic story. I never. I'm not even Catholic. And that made me miserable. I can't imagine.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah, yeah. No, but it was good though. But I feel like we, we got quite a taste for medieval exorcism practices, you know.

[Em Schultz]

Oh man. Well in my book, well, well done Christine. If everyone would like to hear us talk even more, you can head over to Patreon and our Yappy Hour. By the time this comes out we will have just done our Portland and our Seattle shows but we still have a few shows left of the tour. I think we got like seven shows left.

[Christine Schiefer]

Yeah.

[Em Schultz]

So come on down town.

[Christine Schiefer]

I know some of them are sold out so go check if your town has tickets. It's the last time we're doing the show this year so please come check it out and come see us if you want to see yappy hour. Patreon.com ATWDpodcast and thanks for joining us on this ride.

[Em Schultz]

And that's why we drink.