E460 Haunting Snap Chats and Screening Calls from Space

Summary

And That's Why We Drink

Episode E460: Haunting Snap Chats and Screening Calls from Space

Date: November 30, 2025
Hosts: Christine Schiefer & Em Schulz

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Episode Overview

In this lively live show edition from Houston, Christine and Em treat the audience to their signature blend of campy paranormal tales and jaw-dropping true crime. Em leads with the chilling haunted history of the Hotel Galvez in Galveston, Texas, weaving local lore with interactive antics. Christine follows with the notorious true crime story of astronaut Lisa Nowak—a love triangle that launched an astronaut from heroism to tabloid infamy. With Texas road trip mishaps, playful on-stage chaos, and their infamous drinking game, the episode is a classic reminder of why "the world's a scary place. And that's why we drink!"

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Houston Live Show Banter & Audience Connection

• The hosts discuss their Texas tour adventures:
  • First time doing a double live show: “Feels like an eternity...we’ve been on the road a long time.” (06:54)
  • Buc-ee’s splurge: “We spent our life savings.” (05:35)
  • Struggles with Texas highways: “Your highways have very short ramps…and many, many large trucks that won’t let you have text…they have places to be.” (06:32-06:47)
  • Texas hospitality: “You’re setting the bar very high for the rest of our tour.” (09:16-09:23)

2. Drinking Game, On-Stage Antics & Audience Warm-up

• Emma introduces the show’s self-deprecating drinking game:
  • “Drink once if Christine gasps.” (10:18)
  • “Drink once for ‘listen.’" (10:24)
  • “Drink once for ‘fun fact’…which is not fun at all.” (10:28)
  • Running jokes (e.g., sweating references, references to the ‘sweet baboo’).
  • Ivan: “And based on the last show we did—woohoo! That’s why everyone’s drunk.” (11:41)
• Memorable audience pander:
  • Em: “If you’re not excited, applaud anyway, because I have anxiety.” (09:51)

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3. Paranormal: The Haunted Hotel Galvez (Em’s Story)

[17:01-47:04]

Background & Tragedy

• The Hotel Galvez in Galveston, TX is rumored to be "the oldest and most haunted hotel in Galveston." (18:48)
• Built on the site of devastating tragedy:
  • 1900 Galveston storm destroyed St. Mary’s Orphan Asylum, killing 90 of 93 children and 10 nuns.
  • Nuns tied themselves to children with rope to keep them together—tragically leading to mass drowning.
    • Em: “Allegedly, some of the bodies are buried on the property where the hotel is now.” (21:31)
  • Beach rebuilding and the birth of the Hotel Galvez in 1911.

Ghostly Residents & Encounters

• “Lovelorn Lady,” aka Audra:

  • Bride-to-be, stayed at the hotel awaiting her fiancé.
  • Hung herself in room 501 after falsely believing fiancé died at sea; he returned a week later. (23:57-24:07)
  • “Her name is, quote, ‘Lovelorn Lady.’ That’s the ghost’s name. And she is the most famous spirit at Hotel Galvez.” (24:16)
  • Ghostly activity: seen walking, sitting on beds, slamming doors, electronics malfunctioning, “phones not working in the room…someone else will answer.” (32:39-32:56)
  • Audra's EVP responses: “When asked ‘what happened to you?’ a spirit box has gotten her saying both the words ‘bathroom’ and ‘rope.’” (33:11)

• Child Spirits:

  • Orphan ghosts: “Guests and staff have seen a little girl in early 1900s clothing, bouncing a ball.” (24:38)
  • Children’s voices: “Children are heard all over the hotel doing the creepiest things—singing, humming, giggling, touching, playing in groups.” (25:58)
  • Pranks on guests: knocking on doors, playing piano, stealing toilet paper, knocking on bathroom stalls. (26:35, 28:48, 36:18)
  • Particularly active on the third floor.

• Other Paranormal Phenomena:

  • Woman in white (Audra) seen with child spirits.
  • Cold breezes, crying in bathrooms, electronics malfunctioning.
  • Haunting stories in bathrooms: “Lights went out, then she heard heavy breathing and a man say, ‘Get out.’” (35:09)
    • Christine: “That’s paranormal and true crime…ultimate terror crossover.” (35:21)
  • Nuns’ spirits seen walking the beach before storms, especially Sister Catherine, who tried to save the children. (40:30)
  • Mischievous spirits: breaking wine glasses, laundry machines, dishes; sometimes cleaning or messing up hotel rooms.

Notable Quotes

• “Children are just the worst sometimes, aren’t they?” – Christine (36:22)
• Audience’s nervous laughter at dead children: “It’s really fun trying to make everyone laugh when I talk about dead children. Dead orphans. Welcome to my world, baby.” – Em (25:19)

Audience Anecdotes

• Em’s own “ghostly knock” in Houston hotel as they wrote notes: (27:06-28:26)
• Christine on living with nightmares: “All of this nightmare stuff, just nightmares all the time…That’s the toll this job takes. Just thinking about the ring, dreaming about the ring.” (30:00-30:50)

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4. True Crime: The Case of Astronaut Lisa Nowak (Christine’s Story)

[50:06-76:46]

Lisa Nowak: Childhood Dream to NASA Stardom

• Highly accomplished: Naval flight officer, engineer, NASA astronaut. (51:37-53:02)
• Life upheaval begins after the death of best friend and fellow astronaut Laurel Clark in the Columbia disaster. (53:23)
• Increasing stress: “Lisa and her husband began having arguments so loud and terrible that neighbors started noticing.” (54:16)

The Love Triangle

• Affair with fellow astronaut Bill “Billy O.” O’Fline while still married but separated. (54:41-55:25)
• O’Fline meets Colleen Shipman, “they form an instant connection and fall for each other.” (55:36)
• “He literally called her from space…A voicemail from space.” (56:30)
• Colleen learns of Lisa only when Billy accidentally calls her by Lisa’s name during an intimate moment. (61:21)
• Billy claims he broke off with Lisa, but “that was not the case. He was full of baloney.” (61:36)

The Infamous Drive & Attack

• Lisa drives 13+ hours from Houston to Orlando overnight, equipped with a violent “kit”: latex gloves, wig, pepper spray, hammer, knife, cash, Colleen’s flight schedule. (63:12-64:04)
• “She waits in the baggage claim…changing into her disguise.” (64:18-64:49)
• Pursues Colleen across parking garage. After being rebuffed, pepper sprays Colleen through the cracked window. (65:18-66:49)
• Caught discarding trench coat, wig, and weapons; arrested for attempted kidnapping and other charges. (66:49-67:20)
• Christine’s “fun fact”: “She’s the first US Astronaut ever to be arrested…let alone for a felony.” (67:20)

Cultural Fallout: The Diaper Legend

• Media sensation: alleged use of adult diapers to avoid stopping on drive. (71:22)
• “That’s what she became famous for…she urinated in diapers so she did not need to stop on her way to Orlando.” (71:24-73:01)
• Christine: “You can call her a lot of things, but you can’t call her not dedicated.” (71:44)

Legal Aftermath & Social Implications

• Pleads not guilty, claims temporary insanity, apologizes in court (perfunctorily).
• Receives two days in jail, one year probation, discharged from Navy with reduced rank, but retains benefits. (73:32-74:23)
• Media, NASA, and military leadership all handle fallout differently—Colleen permanently sidelined, Lisa vanishes from public life.
• Case becomes inspiration for film “Lucy in the Sky” with Natalie Portman. (76:06)

Notable Quotes

• “I want to take a quick moment to address Uranus…” – Christine, on audience-invented space innuendos (59:20)
• “The stuff in her car obviously says otherwise…she also had a precise trip log, flight info, and a hand drawn diagram.” (69:18-69:47)
• On the infamous diapers: “Every late-night show…making fun of her despite herself. She would deny the allegations, but the media was like, fucking hell, we don’t care. This is gold.” (71:44)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On the unique energy of a live show:
  • “If we sound a little out of it at the end, you’re gonna hear some nonsense out of me, I’ll tell you that.” – Emma (07:54)
  • “This is the unedited version because Eva can’t edit this live. So good luck to whatever you hear tonight.” – Emma (17:08)
• Em’s horror story audience engagement:
  • “It’s really fun trying to make everyone laugh when I talk about dead children. Dead orphans. Welcome to my world, baby.” (25:19)
• Space romance puns:
  • “More like spacey emails.” – Emma (59:10)
  • “Leave it to humans to be like, sexting each other IN SPACE.” – Christine (57:57)
• On the dedication of Lisa Nowak:
  • “I mean, gross, but dedicated.” – Emma (71:42)
• Christine on the mundane horrors of haunting:
  • “They break entire cabinets full of wine glasses. That ain’t a joke, sir.” (38:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |------|---------| | 04:47 | Show kicks off in Houston, live audience banter | | 09:51 | Drinking game/rundown of show inside jokes | | 17:01 | Paranormal Story: Hotel Galvez background begins | | 23:01 | The legend of Audra, the “Lovelorn Lady” | | 24:38 | Child spirits and their antics | | 27:06 | Em’s hotel door “knock incident” | | 32:56 | Electronics and phone ghost activity | | 35:09 | Ghostly bathroom encounter (“Get out!”) | | 40:30 | Sightings of nuns on the beach during storms | | 47:04 | Transition to True Crime segment | | 50:06 | Christine introduces Lisa Nowak case | | 53:23 | Columbia disaster, mounting stress | | 54:41 | The love triangle blooms | | 56:30 | “Voicemail from space” segment | | 61:21 | Billy O’ accidentally calls Colleen “Lisa” | | 63:12 | Lisa’s infamous road trip and confrontation | | 67:20 | Lisa becomes “first US astronaut arrested” | | 71:22 | The legendary diapers and media feeding frenzy | | 76:06 | Natalie Portman’s “Lucy in the Sky” mention |

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Episode Close

• Warm thanks and gratitude for the fans and the last two years of podcasting. (77:26-78:18)
• “And that’s why we drink.” – Classic sign-off.

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This episode is a perfect example of why fans love "And That's Why We Drink:" campfire storytelling, a touch of the bizarre, and chemistry that turns any tale into an essential listen. Whether you’re in it for the ghosts, the crime, or just the laughs, this live show brings it all—Texas-sized.

Transcript

[Emma]

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[Christine]

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[Emma]

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[Christine]

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[Emma]

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[Christine]

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[Christine]

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[Emma]

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[Eva]

Hey, everyone. I might be making some of you a bit mad right now, and I really apologize. I brought my recording equipment with me to Thanksgiving, fully intending to record an episode, but then on the first or second night we were here, Leona got very sick overnight.

[Christine]

Then I, of course, contracted whatever she had and things just kind of went to shit. So it's my fault.

[Eva]

I flubbed it. But we did not get an episode recorded in time and for this week, and we are releasing a live episode.

[Christine]

I know that a lot of you.

[Eva]

Really don't like these, and I'm sorry. Moving forward, we're gonna start building in a few weeks off through the year, just to kind of give us a little bit of buffer when things arise like this, illness, travel mishaps, what have you, so that we're not scrambling last minute, and we wanted to, you know, be transparent and give you that heads up. We also want to say thank you for all of you sticking around, even if you're frustrated by the live episodes. I get it. I'm a podcast listener and I know that disappointment when an episode doesn't come out and something different comes out instead on your feed. So if you are not feeling it, please, no hard feelings, just delete the episode and I promise we'll be back next week. And I have not forgotten about our redo of the Thanksgiving song. And. And after that, I think we have another little ditty coming soon for Christmas time. So don't worry, I'm getting my pipes warmed up for that and you will not be rid of me and my beautiful singing voice. Okay, thanks for being here. Thanks for supporting us even when things get hard and confusing and complicated. We love you. And for everyone who is celebrating Thanksgiving, have a wonderful holiday. If you're having big feelings this time of year, we're sending lots of love your way and support and solidarity, and we're just really thankful you're here along for the ride with us. So on to the live show, and otherwise, we'll see you next week. Bye.

[Christine]

Oh, I almost Hurt myself on this chair earlier, so I have to be really careful. Hey, Houston, We're still here. We're still here.

[Emma]

Shout out to the people from the previous show who want.

[Christine]

Holy shit.

[Emma]

Who want to watch us a second time.

[Christine]

Why? Why?

[Emma]

Lord, you're crazy. Well.

[Christine]

Oh, I left my notes up here. Oopsies.

[Emma]

Well, for the people who still leave those down there, for the people who were at the preview show, you're gonna hear us talk about it again. But for the new people. We tried Buc EE's today, and we had a blast.

[Eva]

We spent.

[Christine]

Spent our life savings.

[Emma]

Well, I went in there, so thank.

[Christine]

You for funding our BUC EE's shopping trip today.

[Emma]

We. We went in, and I saw shopping carts, and I was like, ironically, jokingly, I was like, oh, Christine, I'm gonna. I'm gonna get a shopping cart. So I feel like. Like, I'm really shopping here. And then, like, 10 minutes later, there was, like, 50 things.

[Christine]

We, like, met in an aisle. We, like, met in an aisle with our shopping cart. And they were like, pile.

[Emma]

Yeah.

[Christine]

What have we done?

[Emma]

I was like, remember that time I thought I wasn't gonna buy anything?

[Christine]

And now there's nothing left. They had tie dye. There was no win for you there.

[Emma]

We got snacks. I got my hat. You got a shirt. I got a shirt. I got boxers. We got it all.

[Christine]

Listen, Texas is pretty great.

[Emma]

It's treating us nice.

[Christine]

We like it. We like it.

[Emma]

We do have to. We have to say we found our rough patch in Texas in general. We do not know how to drive in your area.

[Christine]

No.

[Emma]

And your highways have very short ramps.

[Eva]

Yes.

[Emma]

And many of them next to each other.

[Christine]

And many, many, many, many, many large.

[Emma]

Large trucks that won't let you have texts.

[Christine]

Go to the. They have places to be.

[Emma]

We've spent about three days in Texas now.

[Christine]

It feels like an eternity. We've been on the road for a long time.

[Emma]

It feels like.

[Christine]

But.

[Emma]

And I've been chauffeured everywhere. I haven't driven the car once. But between Christine and Eva, I've been like, the GPS guru. Guru.

[Christine]

False.

[Emma]

But. And I was like, okay, turn now. And I was like, oh, never mind. It's.

[Christine]

You missed it already.

[Emma]

Missed it.

[Christine]

There's, like, six turns. One's like a Do not enter. There's like, a U turn.

[Emma]

And we're not used to the U turn.

[Christine]

What the fuck is going on here? I don't know.

[Emma]

I mean, we're used to U turns, but not like the.

[Christine]

We're used to parking on the highway. In Los Angeles.

[Emma]

So, yeah, we're used to just sitting in traffic and not moving at all. And now we're going 1,000 miles an hour with a bunch of trucks.

[Christine]

It's really good and really safe.

[Emma]

What else have we done?

[Christine]

I mean, we did another show.

[Emma]

Oh, right.

[Christine]

This is our first time doing a double feature, so let's see what happens. Yeah. We have no idea what's going to happen, but I still have wine, so it could go many different ways. We'll find out.

[Emma]

I was saying earlier, it's. I mean, usually if you listen to one of our episodes and we sound a little dazed and confused, it's because we've been recording all day, and it's like, the last one we can pump out of ourselves. But so, like, if we sound a little out of it at the end, it's. I mean, you're gonna hear some nonsense out of me, I'll tell you that. The first episode. Wow. The first show that we did tonight, I was just like, make.

[Christine]

Eva had to come up three minutes in and fix the computer. It was like.

[Emma]

It was the wrong slideshow. One, two. I didn't know that three feet did not equal 18 inches.

[Christine]

Oh, my. No. And you also didn't know that by three feet, you meant three stories. It was a whole.

[Eva]

Yeah.

[Emma]

Oh. I said someone fell a whole three feet, but he fell three floors 18 inches. Look, if that was the first one, I'm sorry for what you're about to.

[Christine]

Hear tonight, we can't promise really anything, so I'm just gonna shut up.

[Emma]

But thank you guys for having us, and we're very stoked to be here. And this was our. This is our first. Our first experience in general in Texas. Yeah, it is.

[Christine]

And we love it. And it's loud and it's large.

[Emma]

It lives up to the hype. And we had Whataburger. It was amazing. Whataburger. Yes.

[Christine]

That was very good.

[Emma]

Very, very good. So thank you. You guys are putting on quite a. Quite a wonderful.

[Christine]

Like, you're setting the bar very high for the rest of our tour, let's put it that way. Yeah.

[Emma]

Yeah, for sure. So that being said, I want to start you guys off right and not like the last episode.

[Christine]

Episode where.

[Emma]

Yeah. Where I was like, eva, get up here. I can't do this. Hang on. See, I can't wait. I warned you. So, okay, so the first thing we're gonna do, which I think everyone's pretty excited about, if you're not, applaud anyway, because I have anxiety.

[Christine]

You're such a panderer. God damn.

[Emma]

I know. We're gonna start with a little drinking game.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Emma]

So the goal is to get smashed. So.

[Christine]

And some of you, a lot of you were here already for the first round of this, including me.

[Emma]

Some people have already played, so you guys have to catch up.

[Christine]

One of those people is me. So.

[Emma]

Okay, so drink once if Christine gasps.

[Christine]

Uh huh. Very rare occurrence.

[Emma]

Drink once for listen.

[Christine]

Listen.

[Emma]

Drink once for fun fact. Which is not fun at all.

[Christine]

Never never drink.

[Emma]

Also wants for sure. And any reference to us sweating, which is probably going to happen literally always. Drink twice for hello. All right.

[Christine]

They were primed from the first show.

[Emma]

Yeah. The people in the first show already heard us say. We don't know if they're gonna say it or not. So let's do the hand thing. Maybe they'll get it.

[Christine]

Come on.

[Emma]

Also drink twice for it's just funny. Honest.

[Christine]

Honestly.

[Emma]

I mean, honestly, truthishly. It's just fucking funny. Truthi.

[Christine]

Megan.

[Emma]

God, is that my new first? I went for. I finally escaped Sassy. And I'm Megan.

[Christine]

Yeah. You brought this upon yourself. Don't look at me.

[Emma]

It's just funny how that happened. So drink twice. If we talk about the sweet baboo little itty bitty puppy double list. So my sweet baby, I'm sure he'll come up because there's Christine and I have never had a conversation with out bringing him up. Drink twice for any time we tell Eva what to do. And based on the last show we did, woohoo. That's why everyone's drunk.

[Christine]

So it happened three minutes in.

[Emma]

Also, I other than the drinking game, I do like to start off with something adorable because that's not how this show usually ends.

[Christine]

Right. We won't like trick you, so let's.

[Emma]

Just slowly wean you in with some babies. So I do the slides, which means that I wanted to be really visually creative when I first thought that this was like the epitome of creativity. Six pictures together and getty stock images from stock photo. And so I was like, I'm gonna post pictures of wine and milkshakes. And since we're usually an audio show, no one's ever had visuals before, so I'm just gonna nail it. And then so I. I got these pictures off of Google when I typed in people drinking milkshakes. It wasn't that hard of a search. You can do it too. And it's precious. But then if you delete the word milkshake and replace it with wine and it just says people Drinking wine in Google. This is what comes up. And so I started this project with like, oh. And then I was like, oh.

[Christine]

And it hasn't gone away since. And in case Em's head is blocking it, these women are heavily, heavily pregnant, third trimester pregnant. And this is a very, very tiny child.

[Emma]

And Christine's in the tub.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Emma]

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Christine]

Whatever you say, Em.

[Emma]

So I am going to just crack on into a story for you.

[Christine]

Woohoo.

[Eva]

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[Christine]

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[Eva]

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[Christine]

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[Eva]

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[Christine]

That's.

[Eva]

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[Emma]

Now that I've shown you the cue.

[Christine]

And the fun, now I'm really facing out. Hold on, I need to find the perfect ratio. See my good side?

[Emma]

Are you good?

[Christine]

Here we go. This is really casual.

[Emma]

Christine has only one side that has a dimple. So show them your dimple. There it is.

[Christine]

Precious Em never lets me stand on that side.

[Emma]

Also. Hang on. Classic me. I lost my notes.

[Eva]

Hang on.

[Emma]

I also, I wanted to be clear that like when we tell you, we don't know what we're talking about ever.

[Christine]

That'S not a fiction or what we're doing. It's not a shtick.

[Emma]

It's real.

[Christine]

It's the truth. Yeah.

[Emma]

Okay, here's the unscripted.

[Christine]

Someone's very entertained. This long moment of silence.

[Emma]

Someone is a big fan of mine and I like it. So this is the unedited version because Eva can't edit this live. So good luck to whatever you hear tonight. This is the story of and Let me know if you know of it. The Hotel Galvez.

[Christine]

Wow. I think they have never heard of it.

[Emma]

Very, very nice of you to humor me. If you don't know.

[Christine]

Some people said I something live there. I don't know.

[Emma]

You live there.

[Christine]

I guess they leave like Zack and Cody. Okay. I don't know. Just keep talking.

[Emma]

People have experienced it.

[Christine]

I think there's a lot of waving. We don't.

[Emma]

Things have happened. All right, so the Hotel Galvez.

[Christine]

We're impressed, though, by whatever it was.

[Eva]

That you did there.

[Emma]

All right. Oh, look how old and creepy it is.

[Christine]

That is so cool.

[Emma]

So it is located in Galveston.

[Christine]

Why did you say it like you've never heard of Galveston?

[Emma]

Because. I don't know. Like I know geography. I didn't. I mean, I wanted to make sure it was like, close to here.

[Christine]

Oh, I don't know where it is. Close enough.

[Emma]

So it's a massive hotel right on the beach, as you cannot see. Never mind. I'll show you that picture later.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Emma]

And we'll dive right into a fun fact that it is the.

[Christine]

Wait, there's a beach here? Sorry. Now I'm the ignorant one. The fuck?

[Emma]

You'll see the pictures later.

[Christine]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Emma]

We'll get there.

[Christine]

I trust you.

[Emma]

We'll get there. Whenever we do, I'm not sure when.

[Christine]

I'll go on the journey with you.

[Emma]

The fun fact is the building is the oldest and most haunted hotel in Galveston.

[Christine]

Cool.

[Emma]

And it has been on the shows Ghost Stories and Ghost Lab.

[Christine]

Not Ghost Adventure.

[Emma]

Not Bagel Bites.

[Christine]

Dammit.

[Emma]

Not that I know of. In the 1800s. Oh, yeah. It gets sad really fast.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah.

[Emma]

In the 1800s, on this property, there were several orphanages.

[Christine]

Oh, my.

[Emma]

Were, uh. Oh, what?

[Christine]

What do you mean were?

[Emma]

I'll tell you. So there were orphanages on Galveston island. So now in 1900. Why is that funny? No, I'm just kidding. You can be horrible. It's fine. So in 1900, there was a storm called the 1900 storm.

[Christine]

Shut the fuck up. That's amazing.

[Emma]

And during this storm. Oh, never mind. That's what it looks like now.

[Eva]

Backwards.

[Christine]

Beautiful storm.

[Emma]

I had a little beautiful that said switch slides, and I felt unsure, but I tried it and it didn't work, so.

[Christine]

La la la.

[Emma]

So during the 1900 storm, there was one specific orphanage called St. Mary's Orphans Asylum. I don't like how that sounds.

[Christine]

Yowza.

[Emma]

During the storm, that orphanage was destroyed, killing 90 children.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[Emma]

Of 93 children. Oh, no.

[Christine]

Are you kidding me?

[Emma]

And 10 nuns.

[Christine]

Yikes.

[Emma]

You guys need to care more about the nuns. No one said, oh, at that one.

[Christine]

There weren't 90 of them either, though.

[Emma]

I know. So 100 people in total.

[Christine]

Yikes. That's terrible.

[Emma]

Trying to save the kids.

[Christine]

No.

[Emma]

Yeah. Oh, no. The nuns cut clothesline into pieces, like rope to tie around each kid's waist and their own. And then they tried to swim all 90 children together.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[Emma]

Out of this flood, which, like, by the way, like, I know they say, thanks, priests, but go. Fucking nuns.

[Christine]

Yeah. Holy crap.

[Emma]

However, it potentially caused all of them to die faster. So it backfired because they all got tangled up together and drowned in one mass. So a lot of the bodies obviously were found together in one big pile.

[Christine]

And. Oh, my.

[Emma]

The bodies were probably. They can't be sure because there were so many. I don't think they kept track. But allegedly, some of the bodies are buried on the property where the hotel is now.

[Christine]

Oh, boy.

[Emma]

So the storm destroyed the entire island, and the residents wanted to rebuild no matter what, and they ended up rebuilding the area as of June 1911. So she's a Gemini. And the Hotel galvez was erected June 1911. So.

[Christine]

All right.

[Emma]

It was named after.

[Christine]

Ooh.

[Emma]

It's a Spanish word, and I don't know it. It's named after Count Bernardo de Galvez e Madrid.

[Christine]

Really? It has the word with.

[Emma]

That's impossible. The hotel was nicknamed the Queen of the Gulf because it overlooked the great sea wall and Gulf of Mexico. Ooh. Ah. It was also nicknamed the Playground of the Southwest because the hotel was so prestigious and it became the hotel for the elite upper class.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Emma]

Guests included Howard Hughes, Frank Sinatra, Jimmy Stewart, General MacArthur, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, and Lyndon B. Johnson. Wow.

[Christine]

Fancy.

[Emma]

In the 1950s. Oh, yeah, it gets sad again. So in the 1950s, there was a bride to be.

[Christine]

Oh, boy.

[Emma]

There always is at a hotel.

[Christine]

Yeah, there always is.

[Emma]

Her name was Audra, and she was a guest at the hotel while her fiance was out to sea. She was staying in room 501. And she would take the elevator to the eighth floor and climb the ladder up to the roof. And on the roof, she would watch and look out to the sea and wait for her fiance to come home.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[Emma]

And after a storm. Not the 1900 storm, a new one. The 1950s.

[Christine]

25 storm.

[Emma]

After a storm, Audra heard that the ship had wrecked and all were lost or dead.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[Emma]

And after a week after grieving, she couldn't take it anymore, and she ended up hanging herself in her bathroom.

[Christine]

Oh, God.

[Emma]

In room 501.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Emma]

It gets sadder.

[Christine]

Yikes.

[Emma]

A week after her death, Audra's fiance was rescued.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[Emma]

And came home to the hotel to look for her.

[Christine]

That is some Romeo and Juliet shit right there.

[Emma]

So her name is, quote, lovelorn Lady. That's the ghost's name.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Emma]

And she is the most famous spirit at Hotel Galvez, especially on the fifth floor, since that's where she passed away.

[Christine]

Right.

[Emma]

There you go. Now here it is. So that's what it looks like today.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Emma]

There. Oh, yeah. So now we're gonna talk about the ghost. That was easy, right? All right, so there is a spirit of a little girl who guests and staff have both seen wearing early 1900s clothing and bouncing a ball. There's a lot of kids that I don't. I don't know why she's bouncing a ball. But keep in mind, there's.

[Christine]

Why not leave her alone?

[Emma]

She finally. She's got something that keeps her entertained for eternity, so I'm not gonna judge her. But keep in mind, since this was also the place where all the orphans passed away, a lot of the ghosts are kids.

[Christine]

Right?

[Emma]

So.

[Christine]

Oh, dear.

[Emma]

It's really fun trying to make everyone laugh when I talk about dead children.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah.

[Emma]

Dead orphans.

[Christine]

Welcome to my world, baby.

[Emma]

So staff have reported seeing this little girl near the gift shop, on the staircase and on multiple floors, always with her bouncy ball. She is often seen by construction workers, especially recently when they were renovating the basement, and the workers had to call the front desk every morning and say that there was a girl running around in the construction zones where she could get hurt. And the front desk had to be like, oh, she can't get hurt. She's dead.

[Christine]

Holy shit.

[Emma]

Don't worry, she's fine. You're more in danger than her.

[Christine]

Yikes.

[Emma]

Children are heard all over the hotel doing all of the creepiest things, such as singing, humming, giggling, playing in groups, talking to each other, and touching us like us. So, yeah. Oh, and then also on the third floor. That is where most of the spirits of children are the most active. The front desk also gets complaints of kids running down the halls at night and knocking on doors and, like, playing, basically, like dash. What's the name? Ding Dong.

[Christine]

Em was clearly a rebellious child.

[Emma]

I don't know much Dash the dash game. Well, I mean, there was no bell.

[Christine]

So I think you just order a lot of food on doordash.

[Emma]

And that's why I can't instinctively say, you're wrong. You're not wrong.

[Christine]

I know.

[Emma]

Yeah. So they often knock on people's doors and then run away before you see them. Or maybe they're still standing there and you just can't see them. I mean, the choice is yours, right? So I don't know what's worse.

[Christine]

Oh, definitely them still standing there. Never mind. Well, that's definitely worse.

[Emma]

Actually, today we just checked into a hotel I'm not going to name, by the way, in Houston.

[Christine]

Someone's like, which one? I'm like, please, nice try.

[Emma]

Someone was like, oh, which, which, which hotel?

[Christine]

Which room?

[Emma]

I'm not going to tell you, but we checked in today to our hotel and I was doing notes that were not for this but for the future. And there was, there's this instance where one ghost in this hotel happens to knock on your door very loudly and non stop until you answer it. And like knocking, like there's an emergency. Like you definitely check the door. Yeah. And. And then you go to the door and either look through the peephole or open it and nobody's there. And so I was writing that note down and as I finished the sentence, my door, someone was banging on it that loud and that long, like, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. And so I got up and looked through the peephole and while it was still knocking, no one was there. Like, as I finished the sentence, it was like the most vision board thing of my life.

[Christine]

I was like, if you bring a goddamn ghost on this tour, I swear, because I can't handle it. Yeah, that was like four hours ago today.

[Emma]

Yeah, yeah. So I'm really stoked to like go back and try to go to sleep tonight. Anyway, that was a fun little anecdote about my life. So these children, the spirits will also play in the lobby on the piano. And they've been known to knock items off tables and counters and try to throw pillows at guests. At least they're pillows.

[Christine]

They're having fun though.

[Emma]

It sounds like you could throw anything and you're throwing pillows. That's a very nice.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah.

[Emma]

Okay. This is kind of sad. Women hear these children the most often. Like they usually come forward to women. And when women report that they've heard the spirits of children, they always know that they were kids because they hear children saying, are you my mommy?

[Christine]

Oh.

[Emma]

And being called mommy, you're saying like, hi, mommy. No, but also way sad. They're like looking for a parent.

[Christine]

Oh, very sad.

[Emma]

They were orphans.

[Christine]

Terribly sad.

[Emma]

Very sad. So let's travel back to room 501 where the lovelorn lady resides.

[Christine]

Oh yeah.

[Emma]

501 is one of the most haunted rooms in the hotel since that's where she hanged herself. And people have seen her walking through the halls. They've seen her sitting on their bed while they're sleeping, of course. And they often see shadow figures walking out of their closets and television sets. Like the Ring. Ah.

[Christine]

I literally had a dream. I was in the ring last night. I listen all of this nightmare stuff, just nightmares all the time.

[Emma]

Tell them about your dream.

[Christine]

No, I already did. There was a lady with a bent neck and she was crawling under the bus seats. And then Em told a story about like a bent neck and I was like, ah. It was a whole thing. You had to be there. I was also in the ring and saw in the same dream sequence and the Twilight Zone. That one was kind of fun. Yeah.

[Emma]

I woke up this morning and saw Christine downstairs and I was like, how'd you sleep? And she's like, not good. And then she twisted all of these nightmares and she was like, yeah, all of them were together in one dream.

[Christine]

I woke up and really slept.

[Emma]

So that's the toll this job takes. Just thinking about the ring, dreaming about the ring.

[Christine]

I give up a lot for you guys.

[Emma]

I have to deal with people knocking on my door.

[Christine]

To be fair. In Dallas, my hotel phone was ringing and I picked up and no one was there. Less creepy. Cause someone probably got a wrong number.

[Emma]

But we've been doing this for so long now, we just assume everything's a ghost.

[Christine]

Well, I assume everyone's a murderer. You know, you know how it goes.

[Emma]

Oh yeah, the dead woman.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah. Let's stop talking about ourselves for a minute.

[Emma]

I have a podcast, so people have seen the. She's also known as the woman in White. She is often seen also with these children, which is like kind of like a crossover.

[Christine]

She like adopted them, maybe.

[Emma]

That'd be adorable, wouldn't it?

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Emma]

Eva, write that down.

[Christine]

Eva.

[Emma]

It's like the others, but the spin off. So if you don't. If you haven't seen the movie, that does make sense.

[Christine]

I haven't, but I was going to pretend, but that's fine.

[Emma]

I think you pretend I'm funny often, so. Yeah. So she is also known to bring a cold breeze wherever she goes. She will cry in your bathroom. That's not.

[Christine]

That part's not. I take it back.

[Emma]

Which is way inconvenient.

[Christine]

No.

[Emma]

She will also cry in your ear while you're sleeping. She will slam the doors and she will turn TVs and lights on and off. The front desk attendants have had problems getting her the keys to that hotel room to ever work. They always like demagnetize. And there are reports of humming and strange light coming out from under the door of room 501 when no one is supposedly there. There are also reports of the phones not working in the room. If you're. If you're in the room and your phone is called, somebody else will answer.

[Christine]

Ah.

[Emma]

And you're, you don't know. Like your phone has been silent the whole time. And someone later will be like, who picked up the phone?

[Christine]

That's gross.

[Emma]

Also, your text won't go through, which is scary. I mean, it's still scary in this world in 2019 in our mindset.

[Christine]

It's terrifying, right? Your Snapchats won't load. It's just, oh, talk about trauma.

[Emma]

And then there's also evps of Audra, the woman in white, giving intelligent responses. For example, when asked, what happened to you? A spirit box has gotten her saying both the words bathroom and rope.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[Emma]

She has also said the word drawer on the spirit box, which. Draw.

[Eva]

Draw.

[Emma]

I heard someone say draw.

[Eva]

Draw.

[Christine]

Drawer.

[Emma]

Drawer.

[Christine]

A drawer.

[Emma]

You get it?

[Christine]

Charades.

[Emma]

Let's play that now. So she said drawer on the spirit box. And it ended up basically, if people have seen that, they go check the drawer and see what's in there. And it's always books that have been written about her. And once you've gotten to. Once you're like looking at the books and flipping through, if you ever get to the page where it starts talking about her fiance, the spirit box will say the word rescued. So it's like she knows. Terrible.

[Christine]

That looks like a trash can right there.

[Emma]

So this is a, this is a bathroom. I know. You can't really tell. It's kind of. The colors are kind of funky. But it's a stall and the door's open. You get it? You've seen a bathroom? I hope so. Apparently the first floor bathroom is super duper haunted. So one guest was actually by the pool. This is only one anecdote, but this has happened multiple times. One guest was by the pool and came in to use the bathroom on the main floor. While she was in the stall, all the lights went out. And this was before motion sensored lights. So all of them went out. And she, while she's still in the stall, by the way, she heard heavy footsteps of someone wearing boots on the bathroom floor walking around outside the stall. But she can't see any feet. She just Hears what sounds like people walking. And then she hears heavy breathing. And then she hears a man say, get out.

[Eva]

No.

[Christine]

Honestly, like, if that were real too, that would be fucking even more fucking terrifying.

[Emma]

Oh, yeah.

[Christine]

God damn.

[Emma]

I mean, I mean, that's like. That's paranormal and true crime.

[Christine]

Yeah, that's like our podcast, the ultimate terror crossover.

[Emma]

It's like, which one is it and which am I less afraid of?

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Emma]

So she just bolted out of the stall and there was no one in the bathroom.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[Emma]

She ran to security and they said, oh, yeah, that's normal. And then she had them look through surveillance, and nobody either followed her into the bathroom or left after her. So no one was there.

[Christine]

Do we know who that was? Just a pervy ghost.

[Emma]

Just a pervy ghost.

[Christine]

Oh, all right.

[Emma]

There are also several hauntings in the lobby bathroom from children, because I told you those were just running everywhere. They like to laugh, and they like to laugh at you and knock on the stall while you're sitting on the toilet.

[Christine]

Also terrible if it were real.

[Emma]

And the worst of it all, they like to steal toilet paper.

[Christine]

See?

[Emma]

So you're in for a world of hurt.

[Christine]

Children are just the worst sometimes, aren't they?

[Emma]

All right. Very spooky. Very spooky.

[Christine]

Rocking chairs.

[Emma]

Yeah, that's the spooky part. So employees feel someone staring at them in the halls and in the alleyways, which, of course you feel someone staring at you in alleyways.

[Christine]

Always. I mean, that's just part of the experience, I think.

[Emma]

There is a painting of a man whose eyes supposedly follow you wherever you go.

[Christine]

Love it.

[Emma]

The staff say there is a man in the corner of the laundry room that stands there and watches you do laundry. Everyone's got a thing.

[Christine]

I got locked out of my hotel room doing laundry last night, so worse things could happen.

[Emma]

And he also likes to break down the new machines so there's no reason for like brand new equipment to be breaking down. It always does. Oh, so he's also a dick.

[Christine]

Yeah, he sounds like an asshole.

[Emma]

In the restaurant part of the hotel, candles blow out and. And the dishes break in cabinets for no reason. You just open the cabinet and they're all shattered. That's so, so inconvenient.

[Christine]

Really. I just wanted to eat my breakfast. And shattered glass.

[Emma]

It's a really passive aggressive way to say, like, I want different plates in here. Yeah, it's like, oh, no, they're broken.

[Christine]

Oops.

[Emma]

Staff members also report seeing an old fashioned maid and a man walking through the guest room and then disappearing sometimes they are by themselves, and sometimes they are together. So it's like a hot and cold relationship.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Emma]

Management has also said that the spirits are not mean or harmful. They're just jokesters.

[Christine]

I don't know. After that bathroom story, between the bathroom.

[Emma]

And breaking plates and the fact that they. Christine, you're not gonna think they're jokesters after this.

[Christine]

I don't. Okay.

[Emma]

They break entire cabinets full of wine glasses. That ain't a joke, sir.

[Christine]

If they don't think I'm just gonna drink out of a bottle. I don't know, like, nice try, dick ghost. You can't stop me. That's sad. That makes me sound troubled.

[Emma]

They also, like I said, not just breaking down the laundry machine equipment, but they break down just about all the equipment in the hotel. And they also have guests leaving earlier than expected. So I don't know why the management is saying this is funny. Like, this. Like you're losing clients.

[Christine]

A joke.

[Emma]

The doors slam shut all on their own, and windows sound like their glass is breaking, which is. I've never heard of that before, but.

[Christine]

Yeah, that's a new one.

[Emma]

They don't shatter, but they sound like they're on the verge of shattering. And clean bedrooms will get messied or messy bedrooms will get cleaned.

[Christine]

I like that one.

[Emma]

It's. Well, 50% of the time. You do?

[Christine]

Yeah. It's like a gamble.

[Emma]

It's like, intentionally keep your room discussing.

[Christine]

I do always wonder, though, like, if I. If, like, you know, the cleaning staff. I wonder if you could get away with, like, not cleaning and being like, I cleaned that room, I swear to God.

[Eva]

Exactly.

[Christine]

I always wonder. Or, like, the other way. If you actually did clean the room, I bet you get fired. Like, I don't know how they keep track.

[Emma]

Oh, I never thought about surveillance.

[Christine]

I don't know.

[Emma]

I bet if you go to a hotel that's, like, notoriously haunted, you could absolutely get away.

[Christine]

Get away with a lot of shit.

[Emma]

Just be like, oh, no, I definitely didn't want to.

[Christine]

Every time you tell. Yeah, every time you tell a story about a ghost that drinks all the liquor, I'm like, I don't know.

[Emma]

Don't charge me for that.

[Christine]

This very convenient.

[Emma]

I'm not saying I emptied the fridge. I'm just saying all the bottles are in my purse by accident. So where were we? I lost my. Sorry, We. Classic. This is the stuff that gets edited out. And you guys think that we're so smooth sailing, right?

[Christine]

They don't think that. Nobody thinks that.

[Emma]

Oh, here we are. I found It. Don't worry. We're fine. We're fine. Okay. Down by the beach, people also report seeing several nuns walking up and down the shore during upcoming storms.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[Emma]

To warn you.

[Christine]

That's so awful.

[Emma]

Like, don't be me.

[Christine]

O.

[Emma]

It's believed that the. The main nun that everyone sees, it's believed that that is the ghost of Sister Catherine. She was the devout nun who actually had the idea to try and tie all the kids together, which, like, it. It didn't work. But that was a smart idea. In emergency, like, there's 90 children and 10 of us. What are we going to do?

[Christine]

Yeah. That's very sad. Yeah.

[Emma]

So she tried.

[Christine]

So she's on the beach. Great.

[Emma]

But now she's still protecting people, technically.

[Christine]

At least she gets to walk on the beach every day.

[Emma]

Only when it's stormy out.

[Christine]

Forgot that tiny detail.

[Emma]

So this is the beach I was telling you you would see eventually.

[Christine]

Oh, beautiful.

[Emma]

Okay, okay, okay. And a postcard. I see you from, like, forever ago.

[Christine]

Or Galveston, wherever we are.

[Emma]

It's Texas's finest. Texas's finest seaside resort hotel.

[Christine]

Beautiful.

[Emma]

So the last story I have is basically one giant quote.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Emma]

It's from a guy named Timmy.

[Christine]

Is that, like everyone is. Yeah, Timmy, that guy.

[Emma]

He's always around there.

[Christine]

Good old Timothy.

[Emma]

So, Timmy, I got this from a news article.

[Christine]

I mean, all these people did do a lot of things at this hotel. Remember? They were all like, what? The hotel?

[Emma]

Yeah.

[Christine]

So you're right. No, Timmy, for real.

[Emma]

I'm not gonna judge it. So this guy named Timmy, and I don't know anything else about him, is that he was staying in room 507, which shares a wall with 505, which happens to be one of the most haunted rooms. So this whole thing is now one big quote, but it's a long one, so bear with me. Buckle up. Buckle up.

[Christine]

No, we don't do this again, okay? We invented a phrase in an upcoming episode, and we keep saying it and no one gets it because we haven't released the episode yet. So it's just like an inside joke that we think we all have, but you don't.

[Emma]

You'll figure it out one day.

[Christine]

It's called knuckle and buckle. Yeah, we invented it. It's hilarious, isn't it?

[Emma]

Trademarked. Trademark.

[Christine]

It means, like, white knuckle.

[Emma]

Listen, it's like, because I was white knuckling, she says, coming up in the future, you're gonna get a really wildly fucked up story from Christine.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah.

[Emma]

And I was telling her I was like, white knuckling listening to it. And I was like, oh, I'm buckled up and white knuckle.

[Christine]

Yeah, white knuckle and buckle.

[Emma]

But so now it's become a thing that we say when we're not performing. And so now we just. Now we've accidentally said it while we were on stage. And no, everyone stared at us like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Christine]

It's extra funny when we explain it for five minutes, right? That makes it. That's when you. That's when you know a joke is like really good.

[Emma]

Whoopsies. So. Oh, yeah, back to Timmy. His story is very important.

[Christine]

Okay, okay.

[Emma]

Okay. So this is a whole, whole quote. Okay, I felt. So he was in 5, room 507. I felt stared at the whole time. No matter where I was in the room, there was always someone watching me from behind. I read a book in bed for a half an hour before I fell asleep. I woke up in the middle of the night to a bizarre sound. Almost as if someone were wearing a dress and walking over leaves. It had a swish, swish sound.

[Christine]

That's a very specific.

[Emma]

I thought about making that like me and that's why we draw. And I was like, I can't imagine a swish overleaf anything beyond, like basketball nets getting sent to me.

[Christine]

That's a good point.

[Emma]

I turned on the lamp beside me, but I couldn't see anything amiss in the room. The window was shut, the air conditioning unit was off. Everything seemed fine. I figured it must have been someone in the hallway walking past my door. So I turned off the light and fell back asleep. A little while later, I woke up to the same sound, but it sounded like I was right. Like it was right beside me in my room. When I turned on the light, I was shocked to see a woman in my room. She had messy blonde hair and a thin cotton dress on. At first, nothing seemed unnatural about her famous last words, except she was in.

[Christine]

My bedroom in the middle of the night.

[Emma]

When I first saw her, I thought I had missed the fact that maybe I had one of those connecting rooms and she had come into my room by mistake. Maybe even on a dare.

[Christine]

Valid on a dare. That's a weird.

[Emma]

He was giving her every benefit of.

[Christine]

The he was anything beyond, she's dead.

[Emma]

But after a second, I registered that the woman seemed to lift off the floor a couple feet from me. Oh. She had her head tilted back and shrieked in pain as she continued levitating. I watched in horror as she descended back onto her feet. And seemed to resume a calm expression. So it was like, rah.

[Christine]

In case you had trouble picturing.

[Emma]

In case I was. In case Timmy wasn't a wordsmith.

[Eva]

Yeah.

[Christine]

There's a mess with Timmy. You have to be careful.

[Emma]

I don't know where Timmy is in the world. So, Timmy, you're doing a great job so far. Oh, yeah. So she's calm again.

[Christine]

Right, right, right.

[Emma]

I was about to ask if she was all right.

[Christine]

No, obviously not.

[Emma]

When she lifted off the ground again and repeated the same process of screaming and then coming back to the ground. Fine.

[Christine]

What?

[Emma]

When she lifted again. He's still in this fucking room.

[Christine]

He's like. It's probably still truth or dare. She's probably still playing truth or dare. That's the only thing that makes sense.

[Emma]

My friends are underneath her. Light as a feather. Light as a feather.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Emma]

I was about to ask if she was all right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. She's floating again.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Emma]

I could tell she was being lifted up this time and being held by her neck as if there was an invisible rope wrapped around her throat. This girl was being hanged over and over in my hotel room in Galveston.

[Christine]

No.

[Emma]

Was that a happy way to end it? Because the end.

[Christine]

God damn.

[Emma]

I'm sorry.

[Christine]

Thanks, Timmy.

[Emma]

Thanks. I guess. Timmy.

[Christine]

Thanks.

[Eva]

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[Christine]

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[Eva]

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[Christine]

Or at least tell you, like, hey.

[Eva]

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[Christine]

Hey, guys. You ready for some crime? Oh, good. Okay, let's settle in.

[Emma]

Settle in. Knuckle and buckle.

[Christine]

Knuckle and buckle, baby. Okay, you guys, I've got a wild one for you today. I'm excited about this one.

[Emma]

Oh, please.

[Christine]

This is actually Blaze's suggestion, so. Thanks to Blaze. Yeah. What a good boy.

[Emma]

Blaze surprises me all the time because he seems so not into it, but he's got all the info.

[Christine]

Oh, he came at me in five seconds with this suggestion. This is the story of the astronaut Lisa Nowak. Can you hit next? M. Can you hit next?

[Emma]

Oh, yeah. Sorry. I was like, I don't know who that is.

[Christine]

There she is. You don't know who she is.

[Emma]

Wow.

[Christine]

This is a wild story. I was hoping you didn't know.

[Emma]

Okay, well, you hoped right.

[Christine]

Knuckle and buckle. We're trying to make it a thing. Okay. Lisa Nowak. Don't worry, I did it earlier. Okay. Lisa Nowak was born Lisa Marie Caputo in Rockville, Maryland, on May 10, 1963. Don't worry, she comes to Houston later, When she was 6, Lisa watched the Apollo moon landings and knew then that she wanted to be an astronaut.

[Emma]

A very sweet.

[Christine]

As she grew up, she followed the space shuttle program, particularly the introduction of female astronauts. Yeah, it's just so weird to think that there was like, an introduction of female astronauts.

[Emma]

Right.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Emma]

A woman working what?

[Christine]

In 1985, she received her bachelor's in aerospace engineering from the United States Naval Academy. Same. I did the opposite of whatever that is. And then in 1987, she became a naval flight officer before going on to earn both. Okay, bear with me, because I'm just going to say a lot of words right now.

[Emma]

Okay.

[Christine]

A master's in aeronautical engineering and a degree in aeronautical and astronautical engineering from the U.S. naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. She is a smart cookie.

[Emma]

She is a power woman. I love it.

[Christine]

Okay, so.

[Eva]

She.

[Christine]

Come on, don't spoil it.

[Emma]

She, look, you know, I don't know what's going to happen. I know.

[Christine]

True.

[Emma]

Let me love it for five seconds.

[Christine]

She. Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. She received a number of awards on the Navy and logged over 1500 hours of flight in over 30 different aircraft. In 1988, she married a man named Richard Nowak, who is a classmate at the US Naval Academy and Naval Flight School, and they had three children together. So in 1996, her childhood dreams came true and she was selected by NASA to join the NASA astronaut corps at Johnson Space center right here in Houston.

[Emma]

There. It is.

[Eva]

So cool.

[Christine]

So cool. It is so cool. I don't have any better descriptor for it than that. Just so cool. Like, just a childhood dream of becoming an astronaut and it happened. It's just so cool. I don't know.

[Emma]

No, I used to want to be an astronaut.

[Christine]

Well, you also wanted to be a clown. But.

[Emma]

One of those things came true.

[Christine]

One of those things, and it wasn't get an aeronautical engineering degree. Oh, boy. She went to space on July 4, 2006, aka America's birthday okay, so let's rewind. So in 2003, Lisa's best friend, fellow astronaut Laurel Clark, was killed in the Columbia. Oh, oops, this gets sad. Was killed in the Columbia disaster of 03. And she actually helped to take care of Laurel's family after her death and had that kind of heavy loss hanging over her in the years afterward for obvious reasons. But so she's gearing up for her own space mission in 2006, and it's highly publicized, A, because of the Columbia tragedy, and B, you know, because she's a female astronaut. This is like a big deal in the media. And her friend's death is still, you know, kind of looming in her life, and the pressure of raising her own children, plus helping raise Laurel's child. And so the stress basically, according to psychologists, started getting to her, for lack of a better phrase. Sure, yes. So during this time, Lisa and her husband began having arguments so loud and terrible that neighbors started noticing dishes were breaking. They were screaming. Safe to say the relationship was under tremendous strain.

[Emma]

Right, Right.

[Christine]

Things were not going well. And it's around this time that Lisa meets fellow astronaut Captain Bill o'. Fline. So, uh. Oh, is right. So they train together in Canada, M's homeland.

[Emma]

Woo.

[Christine]

And begin an affair. Ooh, saucy. O' Fline had just gotten divorced, but she was technically still married, although separated. So to add all to the stress. That's not words. Listen, English isn't my first language, so. So sometimes. Sometimes I struggle with reading.

[Emma]

Okay, that's fine. We love you.

[Christine]

Thank you. I love you too. Okay, so add to. Oh, okay, I get what I was going for. So add to Oliver's stress, this affair, Right. She's having. And the two of them are technically together for about two years before o' Fline kind of started to distance himself and break it off with her. So o', Fline, who, by the way, calls himself Billy O. Yep. Was at a house party in Orlando in November when he meets an attractive single 29 year old air Force captain named Colleen Shipman. So they form an instant connection and fall for each other. And when Billy goes to space the next month, Colleen is at the launch pad with his family to see him off. He brings with him in space a picture of her, a charm necklace, her charm necklace. He's like, totally smitten with her while he's in space. He actually calls her and leaves a voicemail.

[Emma]

That's romantic as shit.

[Eva]

I know.

[Christine]

And she was like, interviewed and she was like, yeah, the phone. This is so me. She's like the phone rang and I didn't recognize the number. So I was like, I'm not answering that.

[Emma]

Guys. All those numbers we're all ignoring right now might be from space.

[Christine]

Space calling. So he literally called her from space. Which I was like, oh, you can't beat that. Like, you literally can't beat that. Okay, where were we? Okay. We were romanticizing this phone call from space. Right. Okay. So he calls her, leaves a voicemail as they play. It was good. She didn't answer because they could play the voicemail. It was cool to hear it. Like a voicemail from space.

[Emma]

Say, like, I'm in space.

[Christine]

Yeah, well, hey, I'm just pit stop.

[Emma]

Pit stop at Mars.

[Christine]

Yeah, that's how space works. I think so. Okay. Also, while he's in space, which I didn't know this was a thing, they were exchanging racy emails. You can do that in space.

[Emma]

I love this story, by the way.

[Christine]

Now I want to be an astronaut. This is cool.

[Emma]

Maybe that's kind of why I wanted to be an astronaut. I had. There was some whimsy to it. I didn't even.

[Eva]

Not.

[Emma]

Oh, wait, no, not in a. Just keep going. Okay, I did. I meant just. Are you married in general? From space?

[Christine]

You can explain it if you want. Okay.

[Emma]

I mean, it's fine. Never mind.

[Christine]

Okay. Anyway, they're completely in love. Leave it to humans to be, like, sexting each other in space. Oh, there he is. Wait, don't go yet. There's other things I want to say first. There's Billy O. Look at him. Okay, nobody's liking Billy O. Okay, so they're completely in love. La yada yada yada. But there is a slight problem. Lisa, as far as we can tell, was still in the picture, which is maybe why nobody likes Billy O. It is unclear whether he broke up with her before or after his space mission. But I'll tell you what we do know, and that is that during this time, she writes a letter to Billy's parents saying, I love him more than I knew possible. Thank you for being there for me and us. So at the very least, we know she took the relationship very seriously. She was in contact with his parents. So seemingly things are a little iffy as to the timeline of this.

[Emma]

I see.

[Christine]

Then, at some point while Billy O's still in space, Lisa, who had a key to Billy's apartment, lets herself in. She goes through his computer and stumbles upon these so called racy emails between him and Colleen.

[Emma]

More like spacey emails.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. I Quit.

[Emma]

My kids are going to hate me.

[Christine]

Yeah. And I want to take a quick moment to address Uranus.

[Emma]

No, I didn't know where we were going.

[Christine]

I would like to take a moment to address a multitude. I couldn't include them all here. Just a multitude of fun phrases people sent me. Number one is obviously, let me see Uranus. I got that a lot in the submissions. Number two, can I dock my rocket at your space station? And arguably the most uncomfortable one of all. I want to explore your black hole. You guys are so dirty.

[Emma]

And also, a couple days ago, another one of our. And that's why we draws or Christine's was 1800s dick pic. So, like, we have just been flooded with peen lately. A lot. Poor Eva. She did not know that was like a job descriptor.

[Christine]

No, the fact that we often say to her, don't sue us someday. We're joking, but we're not joking. Really concerning.

[Emma]

Like, please just keep everything a cigarette. No, I'm just kidding.

[Christine]

Okay. So she stumbles upon these race emails. And she also stumbles upon a flight itinerary. It stumbles upon. She's literally going through his emails.

[Emma]

Oh, so she's still digging through his emails.

[Christine]

Oh, yes. Yes, I see.

[Emma]

Okay.

[Christine]

Yes, between the Uranus thing, I know we got lost. But yes, she's still in the apartment looking through his emails. So it turns out Billy and Colleen had a romantic weekend in Houston. Plant. The most romantic place I've heard. It was on that trip that Billy told Colleen he loved her. Although he also did another thing. While they were in the throes of passion, he called her Lisa.

[Emma]

Oh, no. Oh, no.

[Christine]

Colleen has no clue who Lisa is. So at that point, she's like, that's weird. Is that your ex? And he's like, yeah, sorry. And then they brush it off.

[Emma]

Oh, my gosh.

[Christine]

This is just like spiraling into chaos. The story, Right? Okay. So she doesn't know who Lisa is.

[Eva]

Right.

[Christine]

So she's like, oh, that wasn't good. But you know, we're gonna move past it because they are in live so soon after that, he tells Colleen, you know what? I had a talk with Lisa. I told her we're better off as friends and I'm going to be exclusive with you, Colleen. And so he's like, she took that really well. Don't worry, we're done. That was not the case. He, Billy O. Was full of baloney.

[Emma]

Sounds like it. Yeah.

[Christine]

Yeah. It didn't help that right around this time, Lisa and her husband officially filed for divorce. So Lisa finds out, right as she and her husband are divorcing that Billy is going to leave her for Colleen. Excuse me, Exclusively. And she really handles it the opposite of well.

[Emma]

Oh, boy.

[Christine]

Which I guess is just bad. I don't know.

[Emma]

I think that's the definition. Yeah, sure.

[Christine]

So, Lisa, this is where we get into it. So Lisa drives from Houston to Orlando International Airport. At the time of these notes, which was, I don't know, two weeks ago. I didn't write it down, so I don't know why I decided to tell you. At the time of these notes, it sounded fancy. At the time of these notes, the distance was 13 hours and 38 minutes from Houston to Orlando. So she drove that entire distance in one go.

[Emma]

Wow.

[Christine]

February 4th through 5th, 2007. And this is a 900 mile trip, so.

[Emma]

Oh my God.

[Christine]

A very long drive. Yes. All right, let's not, let's not shout about the story because I'm telling it. Okay, so with. Okay. With her. If you don't think I'm gonna include that, then. I mean, come on. You have no faith in me. Okay, so with her, she has. Ready?

[Emma]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Latex gloves, a black wig, a gun with ammunition, pepper spray, a hooded tan trench coat, a two pound drilling hammer, black gloves, rubber tubing, plastic garbage bags, approximately $585 in cash US, her computer, an 8 inch folding knife, and Colleen's flight information, as well as directions to her house.

[Emma]

Oh, my God. So a full blown kit?

[Christine]

Yeah, like a little bit overboard kit. Like not even.

[Emma]

Right, like anything can happen.

[Christine]

More than the essentials.

[Emma]

Wow. Okay, so she's committed.

[Christine]

It's rough.

[Emma]

Got it.

[Christine]

She gets to Orlando International Airport. The flight is supposed to land at 1am she waits for about an hour in the baggage claim, watching as Colleen waits for her bag. Oh, by the way, this is on security footage. It's very creepy. You can see her like behind a pole.

[Emma]

Ew.

[Christine]

Watching Colleen wait for her bag. It's very, very, very disturbing. Yeah. And then you see her go into the bathroom of the airport and. And change into a disguise, which was her trench coat and the wig she brought. I don't know what.

[Emma]

Okay.

[Christine]

I guess it's funny. I don't know. And she follows Colleen onto the shuttle to the airport parking garage. And remember, it's like two in the morning at this point. So very dark out. And by this point, Colleen has actually noticed her. So she's like, someone's following me. This woman, you know, is eyeing me. And then as they get to the actual parking lot. Lisa follows her off the shuttle, and the shuttle drives away. And Colleen is like, oh, fuck.

[Emma]

Like, she's definitely.

[Christine]

We're in this parking lot alone now. So Colleen starts walking to her car faster and faster. She starts basically running, manages to jump in the driver's seat, and at the second she shuts the door, Lisa appears and begins to bang on the window and pull on the handle. So she literally jumped it. Like the nightmare version of this, being chased down. And so she managed to get herself into the car. Keep in mind, Colleen still has no clue who this person is, right? So she's like, this is a random woman, right? She's just a random woman. You know, she must be troubled or. I. Like, there's no reason, no godly reason why this woman should be following her. So Lisa is slapping on the window. You trying to open the car door. And then she kind of changes her tune, and she starts asking for a ride and crying and saying, like, I don't have. Like, I need help. I need help, you know? And so Colleen, like, rolls the window down a crack to be like, are you in trouble? Do you need me to call somebody? And the second the windows rolled down a couple inches, Lisa pulls out her pepper spray and sprays Colleen directly in the face through the window. All right, this is rough, man. Okay, so somehow Colleen manages to put the car in drive and, like, kind of drive to the main area, where she sees a bus driver and is yelling for help. And so this bus driver runs over. He calls the police from his shuttle. And when the police arrive, they find Lisa stuffing her trench coat and wig into a trash can.

[Emma]

Oh, that's not sketchy.

[Christine]

Very subtle. And her loaded BB gun, she was also, like, dumping into a dumpster. Lisa is obviously arrested on charges of attempted kidnapping, battery, attempted vehicle burglary with battery, and destruction of evidence for that trench coat she was shoving into the trash can. Oh, boy. So she goes to airport jail.

[Emma]

Sounds like she should.

[Christine]

And she's actually Fun fact.

[Emma]

I love a good fun fact.

[Christine]

The first US Astronaut ever to be arrested. Well, good for her, let alone for a felony. So obviously, the media immediately jumps on this, right? So virtually instantly, you know, she's this disgraced astronaut. She's this young, beautiful woman. Like, this is just. The media is eating this up. So police make the connection pretty quickly between Colleen and Lisa, and that connection is Billy O. In case you weren't following. I was like, wait, what was it again? Oh, yeah, Billy O. And Colleen's like, oh, I've been dating him for Three months. And meanwhile, Lisa admits that she had been involved with him as well. But she's kind of playing it as like, oh, yeah, like I knew him. And they were like, you can't really. Like, you're literally spraying his girlfriend in the face with pepper spray.

[Emma]

Right. I'm familiar.

[Christine]

Like, you're wearing a wig.

[Emma]

Right?

[Christine]

I don't know.

[Emma]

I'm not saying I know much. I'm just saying I know some. It's just funny.

[Christine]

It's just a coincidence. So she admits that she knows Billio, but she says she had no plan. Like, she didn't plan this out. All she wanted was for Colleen to talk to her. It's not very convincing. I mean, after that kit, they literally found that whole kitten caboodle in her car.

[Emma]

Right.

[Christine]

There's actually a transcript of her interview with the airport police where she explains that she pepper sprayed Colleen because she just wanted her to sit still.

[Emma]

Oh, my God.

[Christine]

Wow, that's just so disturbing.

[Emma]

That's just the worst.

[Christine]

Oh, boy. Oh, well, in that case, I mean, what.

[Emma]

Okay, like, what are they supposed to say? Oh, that makes sense.

[Christine]

Oh, we didn't know. Okay. But anyway, the stuff in her car obviously says otherwise. Anyway, she also had a precise trip log, a receipt using an alias, a map of the airport, a shuttle bus schedule, and a hand drawn diagram of Colleen's neighborhood. So there's like, no talking your way out of this. Basically.

[Eva]

Woof.

[Christine]

Okay, so sorry.

[Emma]

Keep going.

[Christine]

I know it's just a lot. I'm sorry.

[Emma]

I really like the story started with me really respecting.

[Christine]

It's just. I know it's a lot. Taking a total turn. So only seven months after her space mission, Lisa Nowak spends her first night in jail. She pleads not guilty and is released into protective custody of actually, a pair of astronauts sent by NASA. What they said because, you know, she's like part of the government, so they send to NASA astronauts. Okay.

[Emma]

So weird.

[Eva]

It made sense.

[Christine]

Sense on tv.

[Emma]

I mean, I believe you.

[Christine]

I just feel like at this point.

[Emma]

I believe in anything you're saying.

[Christine]

Everything sounds dumber when I say it out loud. Oh, boy. Thanks for coming here, guys. Oh, that was the most lukewarm applause I ever heard. Okay.

[Eva]

Thank you.

[Christine]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to pander. Except I did. Okay, so. Da, da, da. Meanwhile, Colleen receives a military order forbidding her. So Colleen, the one who was attacked, receives a military order forbidding her from contacting Billy. So she couldn't see him for Two weeks after the incident. And one of the most famous aspects of this case that everyone wants me to talk about that Em doesn't know, but everyone knows is the fact that police said Lisa wore adult diapers the whole drive. And that.

[Emma]

That's not. That's not funny.

[Christine]

And that is what she became famous for. She became. Presumably so she didn't have to take any pit stops. You know, she drove the whole 30.

[Emma]

Oh, that makes it funny. I thought she had, like, an actual. No.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[Emma]

But okay, again, dedicated.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Emma]

I mean, gross, but dedicated.

[Christine]

You can call her a lot of things, but you can't call her not dedicated. Whatever the opposite of dedicated is. Yikes. Okay, stick to the notes, Christine. Okay. So it became national news, okay. That police said there were diapers in her car. She became a laughingstock. Every late night show, you know, is making fun of her despite herself. She would deny the allegations, but the media was like, fucking hell, we don't care. Like, this is great. This is gold. So a retired astronaut named Susan Kilrain does confirm the astronauts use adult diapers during training. So it stands to reason that it is something she would know to do and might have actually done. But Lisa's lawyer said, surprise. That the diapers found in her car were for her kids. So.

[Emma]

Huh.

[Christine]

Up to you. The police actually did not have any diapers and evidence. But there is a mention in an affidavit that Lisa admitted she urinated in diapers. So she did not need to stop on her way to Orlando. So I think that's pretty telling as far as I'm concerned. I was willing to hear her out, but after I heard that she literally admitted to it while in police custody, I was like, well, why would you say that?

[Emma]

Right, right, right. All right.

[Christine]

So that's the famous part, right?

[Emma]

I hear you. I hear you.

[Christine]

Either way, this did not stop the media from going absolutely ballistic. Lisa's attorney pursued a defense of temporary insanity on a reduced charge of attempted kidnapping. And when Lisa finally spoke publicly, she apologized to Colleen and asked the media to stop invading her life. She also made a court ordered apology to Colleen during the trial. And because it was court ordered, it didn't strike anyone as particularly sincere. So.

[Emma]

Right.

[Christine]

Colleen herself was like, yeah, it was really uncomfortable and nobody bought it. So there's that. Lisa did plead guilty to burglary and battery and was let off relatively easy with two days in Orange county jail, which I imagine is pretty nice. Like, as far as jails go, Orange County Jail, you know.

[Emma]

Right.

[Christine]

And one year of supervised probation. So NASA ended her career as an astronaut. Did they? Why? You know, they sent those two astronauts, but that wasn't enough, I guess. And a Naval administrative panel of three admirals voted to recommend she be separated from the U.S. navy with an other than honorable discharge and that her rank be reduced from captain to commander, although she still received the full pay and benefits of the commander rank.

[Emma]

Oh, my gosh.

[Christine]

So, Bill, Billy O. You know, our friends, you know, I.

[Emma]

Remember him, Billy O.

[Christine]

Remember, he retired in 08 and only a month after the crime, Colleen's commander told her this is actually very sad that she was no longer qualified to work in her position and was relegated basically to secretarial duties for the rest of her career. Which is just like, because they were like, you know, she was stirring up too much drama in the media. And that's rough. And it was kind of terrible because, you know, Lisa got so much, obviously, media attention, but Colleen was never. Nobody ever thought about her in this whole situation. It's a little messed up. However, some good news maybe did come out of this. Colleen and Billy O moved to his home state of Alaska, and the two of them got married.

[Emma]

Oh, goody.

[Christine]

And our son still together to this day with a son named Junior. So that's cute.

[Emma]

Oh, that's a lucky kid.

[Christine]

So Nowak herself, she's now 54. She has all but vanished from public life. Her oldest son just turned 25. Her twin daughters are now 16. She lives in a modest home in Texas and works in the private sector. Now, she does not give interviews, so don't even try. And she has tried to put the past behind her, despite the tough times in her past. Her attorney says that she is in a better place and is doing well. But it is a mystery as to what's actually happening in 2018. Can you hit next? There's Natalie Portman in 2018.

[Emma]

She looks familiar.

[Christine]

Pre production began on a film called Lucy in the sky, based on the events that of the Lisa Nowak case, which new New News with Natalie Portman expected to star as Lucy Cola, which is a fictionalized version of Lisa Nowak. Yeah. And so that's going to come out soon, so we can all go see that together. That'll be fun. And that is the story of Houston's Lisa now. Thank you, guys. Oh, I got a stick. All right. Thank you.

[Emma]

Oh, my goodness. Thank you, guys.

[Christine]

I will say I was very nervous to cover that one. I didn't know how, like, what, like, local sentiment was, and I know there's A lot of drama around it and it's more recent than usually what I do. So thank you for bearing with me and I like hearing me out. Thank you.

[Emma]

Thank you guys so much for having us. Houston, You looked at me like I said the wrong city.

[Christine]

And I was like, oh, shit, no, I'm done. I'm coasting. I'm just watching.

[Emma]

Well, we do have one more thing for you, but before I do that, I do want to say that I am very grateful for that, you guys.

[Christine]

Oh, I love this song. What's going on, Emma? I wrote you that song.

[Emma]

That wasn't the thing I had planned. No, I just want to say thank you for having us. And I mean, in the last two years, it's been a whirlwind. A whirlwind. And in two days is the anniversary of me asking Christine to start a podcast with me.

[Christine]

I mean, to be fair, I said no at first, but then Blaze said we should probably rethink that. And I said, yeah, ultimately I made the right choice. So, yeah.

[Emma]

So it's been a very, very, very wild last two years. But because you guys care so much about us, we're able to do this and it means a lot.

[Christine]

Thank you guys. So thank you. Thank you so much.

[Emma]

And that's why we drink.

[Christine]

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[Eva]

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[Christine]

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[Eva]

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[Christine]

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[Eva]

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[Christine]

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