E469 Nostalgic Lip Landlines and Dancing Ghosts

Summary

And That's Why We Drink

Episode 469: Nostalgic Lip Landlines and Dancing Ghosts
Hosts: Christine Schiefer & Em Schulz
Date: February 8, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Christine and Em blend their signature storytelling and banter while diving into the chilling details of the Moss Mansion hauntings in Billings, Montana, and the decades-old true crime mystery of "Room 1046." The episode is peppered with nostalgia, quirky anecdotes (lip phones, Comic Con encounters), personal updates, astrological asides, and a lot of speculation, creating the familiar cocktail of comfort and unsettling intrigue that defines And That's Why We Drink.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Coping in a Dystopian Era

• The hosts acknowledge ongoing national turmoil and social anxiety, discussing personal efforts to find joy and control (02:18).
• Christine reflects on the surreal experience of flying during breaking news, describing a "history book situation" with every passenger tuned to different channels covering the same crisis (02:24).
• Em discusses astrology, connecting current upheaval to Neptune's shift from Pisces to Aries, symbolizing a move from dreaminess to fiery resistance:

  "We're stepping out of Pisces dreamy spirituality into an active, fiery, resistance-type spirituality... We're fighting the fascists." (04:00)

Notable Quote

Christine (03:36):
"Neptune is entering Aries fire sign. The last time this happened was about 150 years ago, the first day of the Civil War in the US. So ain't that funny?"

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2. Creative Outlets & Side Hustles

• Em launches a new "hot stuff devil" sticker for charity (abolish ICE), donating proceeds after recent Minneapolis news. Christine's girlfriend opens "Forager's Craft," a woodworking jewelry business. (05:11–07:11)
• The conversation emphasizes finding agency in chaos and supporting loved ones' entrepreneurial efforts.

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3. Comic Con Adventures & Nostalgia

• Christine distracts herself by attending Comic Con, meeting Hey Arnold creator Craig Bartlett (who also drew Cynthia from Rugrats) and the voice of a Powerpuff Girl (08:23–10:14).

• Secures the last Hey Arnold! soundtrack vinyl from Bartlett:

  "It was like, the last one that they had in their, in their personal collection... I got him to sign it." (09:42)

• Sparked by this nostalgia, the hosts fondly reminisce about collectible phones—lip landlines, novelty phones, and losing a SpongeBob phone at TSA (23:15–25:02).

Memorable Moment

Em (23:15):
"With my adult money, I would love to buy the clear build-it-yourself landline phone we all wanted as kids... And yet. Why? Who am I calling?"

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4. The Moss Mansion: Paranormal Story

[Location: Billings, Montana | Begins at 14:10]

Background

• Built in 1902 for Preston (PB) and Martha "Maddie" Moss, designed by the same architect as NYC's Plaza Hotel and original Waldorf Astoria (19:56).
• Mansion had 28 rooms with luxurious features far ahead of its time: indoor plumbing, electric bell system, early rotary phone decades before they were popular (22:02).

Family & Lore

• PB Moss: local banking mogul, town builder, founder of everything from the bank to power to local newspaper (Billings Gazette). Maddie: first woman in Billings to drive a car, famously "deviled to death" by people wanting rides (33:47).
• Moss family lived with six children. Several (including PB, Martha, and youngest daughter Virginia) died in the mansion over the years.

Hauntings & Paranormal Activity

• Key spirits: Virginia (child), Melville (musician daughter), PB.
• Famous sighting: Near Melville's death, a hospice nurse saw a little girl (Virginia) standing vigil by her bed. (37:31)
• Paranormal investigators have recorded EVPs of the spirits stating their names and interacting, with Melville reportedly unable to "go upstairs"—possibly tied to her physical limitations in life (39:00–39:19).

Ghostly Encounters

• Shadows "dancing" to period music in the ballroom and parlor.
• Curtains moving on their own, laughter, footsteps, objects moving, and phone-related phenomena.
• Staff perform daily greetings and farewells to keep spirits happy (44:21).
• Museum now displays Moss family artifacts, believed to act as "trigger items" for ghostly activity.

Notable Quote

Em (45:01):
"That would be creative, though, if they got that phone—probably unplugged these days—to ring. Oh, that'd be scary as shit."

Moss Mansion Today

• Offers ghost tours, murder mystery dinners, and other events. Listed on the National Register of Historic Places and used in film shoots.

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5. Banter & Breaks: Alliterative Names and Local Newspapers

• Spirited riffing on name alliteration trends and local newspapers' names (30:36–33:33).
• Christine:

  "If it's Christine Christensen, then I sound like I literally invented the church." (18:45)

• Lighthearted rundown of fictional newspapers like the "Burbank Bulletin" and personal childhood "Wolper News" (32:07), which gets a nostalgic callback in the yappy hour segment.

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6. True Crime Deep Dive: The Mystery of Room 1046

[Begins at 51:27]

The Case

• January 2, 1935, Kansas City: Young man checks into the President Hotel under "Roland T. Owen" (an alias), requests an interior room, and brings only minimal belongings; acts wary, keeps shades drawn (54:00–55:05).
• Multiple witnesses: cleaning staff, bellboys, and a mysterious "Don" contacted by note and phone.
• Esoteric hotel protocols (locking doors from the outside) and strange housekeeping interactions ensue, with the guest consistently in darkness and insisting on not locking the door due to an expected visitor (56:40–57:29).
• Multiple people heard in the room; a commercial sex worker possibly visits; late-night chaos with thumping, arguing, and party noises nearby (64:13–64:54).

Discovery of the Crime

• Friday morning: After multiple checks, bellboy finds "Owen" badly injured, tied up, with severe stab wounds. He dies the next day but claims, "No one [did this]. I hit my head on the bathtub." (75:10)
• The violent state of the room, lack of belongings, suspicious fingerprints, and cryptic note ("Don, I will be back in 15 minutes") perplex investigators.

Investigation & Aftermath

• Case unravels: victim is eventually identified as 17-year-old Artemis Ogletree, run away from Alabama. After his death, his mother receives multiple letters and a suspicious phone call, all indicating he was still alive—these were likely sent by someone connected to the killer (88:58–91:30).
• Anonymous callers pay for his funeral and send roses signed "Love forever, Louise" (84:02). The killer is never conclusively identified.

Notable Quotes & Moments

Christine (71:04):
"Why can't you get to the phone? If you're trying to cover something up, you would just do it to keep them at bay. So why can't you get to the phone?"

Em (86:54):
"Artemis Ogletree is wild, dude...she [his mom] reveals he's only 17."

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7. Postmortem Theories & Speculation

• The hosts engage in detailed theorizing about the possible motives: doomed romance, mob involvement, mistaken identity, gay panic, or infidelity (94:37–100:05).
• Christine leans toward a "lovers' quarrel or love triangle"; Em suggests, "maybe the woman he hooked up with was married and the wronged husband found him."

Christine (100:00):
"Love triangle or the infidelity. I do too. I agree...Maybe we solved it. Hey, we solved it!"

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8. Technical Difficulties & Classic Podcasting Chaos

• Amidst the mystery, the hosts realize they never resumed video recording after a break, bemoaning lost visuals for the episode's most expressive moments—relatable podcaster mishap (58:16–59:42).

Christine (59:13):
"We've got our locals. At least we have audio. That's all that matters."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:24 – Christine's in-flight "history book" news moment
• 03:36–04:16 – Astrology & Neptune's fire
• 05:11–07:11 – Creative outlets; Christine's girlfriend's jewelry business
• 08:23–10:27 – Comic Con nostalgia; autographs & collectibles
• 14:10–47:02 – Moss Mansion story (ghosts & history)
• 51:27–100:05 – Room 1046 true crime investigation
• 58:16–59:42 – Realization of lost video; podcast chaos

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Tone & Language

The episode remains warmly irreverent and deeply engaged:

• Banter is tangential, playful, and peppered with random nostalgia, alliteration jokes, and wild speculation.
• True crime and ghost stories are detailed, with an emphasis on the heartbreak and humor of human tragedy.
• Listeners are drawn into the hosts' friendship, their small joys, and their very relatable coping mechanisms.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Christine (03:36): "Neptune is entering Aries fire sign. The last time this happened was about 150 years ago, the first day of the Civil War in the US."
• Em (23:15): "With my adult money, I would love to buy the clear build-it-yourself landline phone we all wanted as kids...And yet. Why? Who am I calling?"
• Christine (37:41): "So it's presumed that that was Virginia Moss who died in the house at 5, and she was just watching over her sister."
• Em (86:54): "Artemis Ogletree is wild, dude...she reveals he's only 17."
• Christine (100:00): "Love triangle or the infidelity. I do too. I agree...Maybe we solved it. Hey, we solved it!"

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Conclusion

Episode 469 encapsulates the essence of And That's Why We Drink: seeking solace in strange stories, laughing through the nostalgia and the darkness, and refusing to lose warmth even while wading through historical tragedy. Whether it's the haunted halls of Montana or a bloody unsolved murder from 1935, Christine and Em remind us why the world is scary—and why we drink.

Transcript

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[A]

But also, like, weirdly blurry.

[B]

Oh, yeah, you're blurry.

[A]

Is that better?

[B]

Actually, yeah.

[A]

Okay, great. Yeah, I'm better now.

[B]

A ghostly film I know of your face.

[A]

It was actually. A spirit was just standing in front of the computer. It was really rude.

[B]

Rude.

[A]

I hate when they do that. I literally. I can't even get into it.

[B]

So anyway, stop yelling at them. They live in your house and they're invisible. That's so scary.

[A]

Why do you drink, Christine, Besides the horrors that are our nation? Oh, unless you want to throw that in.

[B]

I Mean, I do want to throw that in. Things are rough and scary. And so I was flying back into Cincinnati with my brother and it was like that snowstorm was coming in. And we're on the plane and I just glance up and it's. I mean, it's something I'll never forget glancing up and seeing everybody's screen, whether it was cnn, Fox News, msnbc, whatever. And it's like on the plane, everyone's watching, it's dark out, there's like this huge blizzard happening. I'm seeing like, the news headlines from Minneapolis on every screen in different, like, contexts. And it was just one of those, like, oh, okay, the world is. This is a history book.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

A big history book situation.

[A]

It feels. I mean, with every day, I feel like every day I wake up and say, oh, it feels like we're in a dystopian wasteland. But then the next day happens and I go, I miss yesterday. Oh, my.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like again, now what?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What am I waking up to? Yeah, it's really jarring. I mean, I've been following astrology pretty closely lately, and I do feel like things are shifting rapidly, in case you're wondering.

[A]

I would love to hear what the stars have to say because I'm so over what the newscasters have to say, so.

[B]

Well, great, because the. Neptune is. Neptune is entering. So it's been in Pisces for 14 years, which is a very dreamy state. And Neptune governs, like, spirituality and like, that kind of like drive to. I think it's like a drive to change the collective or to spiritually grow and get people on your side. Either way, it's now entering Aries fire sign. And the last time that this happened was about 150 years ago, the first day of the Civil War in the US So ain't that funny?

[A]

Ain't that something?

[B]

Literally the day that. The day. Then that's. That's tomorrow, by the way. So as. As we record this January 27th.

[A]

Sick. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. And it's going to be there for 14 more years, so we'll see. But this is a time. It's a time to step into. It's a good thing because it's like we're stepping out of a Pisces kind of like dreamy like spirituality into an active, fiery, like, resistance type spirituality. And you know, if you're, if you're. If you've been doing the work, they say you're on the right this. This year. Jump aboard. We're. We're fighting the fascists. Okay.

[A]

We're fighting the fascists. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's a rough one. Have you been finding joy at all anywhere? Have you. What's. Something good that's happened, I feel like.

[B]

Thank you for asking that. That's a nice question. Well, you know, actually, this is probably a good time to segue into this real quick. One of my. I've been trying to find outlets right as dollar and I ended up making a drawing that I'm turning into a sticker. And I've decided after all the Minneapolis news this week that I'm going to go ahead and sell them. I wasn't sure if I was going to, but they're a little. Little hot stuff devil sitting on an ice cube. And it says, abolish ice. And I figured I'm just going to donate the proceeds, too. I. I have it already up on my Etsy page, but it's. The link isn't public yet. I wasn't sure if I was going to do it, but this just felt like the time to mention it. So if you want to go order one. I only have, I think a couple. I have like a hundred or two hundred, if anyone's interested. I'm donating the proceeds and hopefully. Oh, and hey, your girlfriend now has an Etsy too.

[A]

She does.

[B]

This is all. This is crazy.

[A]

It's called Forager's Craft. She's making her own beautiful jewelry these days, and she's doing a very good job.

[B]

Well, I keep wanting to wear the earrings to show them off, and then I'm like, oh, I have these headphones on. I can't really wear. But anyway, they're beautiful. I ordered some. Man, she's talented, dude.

[A]

Yeah. So, people, she has been gone for what feels like, I think she came here now, but she said, oh, while I'm gone, I guess I'm also going to open an entire jewelry business. So she's been. When she's not watching the baby, she has been going to this area in Charlotte where she's been able to make all this stuff. And. But anyway, she's. She's doing a really good job. And if you would like a set of earrings or a bracelet or what, she's very good at all of it. She's. It's specifically woodworking stuff. But yes, Foragers Craft, if you would like to go, follow her on wherever you would like or go, mainly Etsy. If you would like to get something from her, it's on Etsy.

[B]

Yeah. And they're beautiful. Um, and she has a really good instagram that and TikTok. I think that shows how she makes them and stuff. It's really cool. Yeah, Yeah, I didn't. I can't find the. The draft of the post, but I do have already a donation page set up for the money that I'm gonna make. Hopefully if anyone buys any of these, I'm gonna donate the proceeds. So I don't know. I don't know anymore what to do. This is like my feeble attempt right. At like helping. But, you know, I think also everything changes weekly, so I don't really know which. I don't even know what's gonna.

[A]

Going on.

[B]

I know, I know. So I'm gonna hold off on even mentioning which non. Profit. Yeah. But I will put it in the listing. You can go to the X Team files. I mean, so that's what I'm trying to do. I'm like, what can I. How can I contribute? Trapped in my house? I guess I can maybe I draw something silly.

[A]

Sure. Yeah.

[B]

That's my contribution.

[A]

Is that your. The joy you found this week?

[B]

Yeah, it's. It feels like a little, you know, a little control in a. In an uncontrollable world. So. Yeah. What about you? Are you okay? I mean, not really, you know, in general.

[A]

No. No, no, I'm not okay.

[B]

What?

[A]

I have been trying to, you know, distract myself with things and so I went to a Comic Con yesterday. I got to meet a bunch of people who worked on, like, Nickelodeon shows, which I thought you'd be interested in. Cool. I met Craig Bartlett. From Hanold?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Did you ever meet him? I don't know. You know, in my mind, at Nickelodeon, you just like, he. You just had dinner with him or something.

[B]

He wasn't there because he wasn't working anymore. I think he was retired when I worked there. As far as I knew, he wasn't there. So I met him once and I think we follow each other on Instagram, but that's it.

[A]

Nice. No. For those who don't know, Craig Bartlett was like the illustrator and I think. Did he create these shows?

[B]

He created it. I think he created it, yeah.

[A]

For like, hey, Arnold. And I didn't know this, but he also drew Cynthia from the Rugrats.

[B]

Oh, that fits. Yeah, yeah, it fits.

[A]

But he. So I guess they had records, like vinyl records of the hey, Arnold soundtrack from the first season. And so I didn't like. One of my favorite things to listen to on YouTube is like ambient, like New York jazz music, which is basically, hey, Arnold. Music.

[B]

And so, like that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So I, I got, I got the record, and he told me that it was, like, the last one that they had in their, in the, Their personal collection or. I don't know if it was his personal collection or, like, the store. It was, like, the last vinyl that they were selling. And so I got him to sign it for me. Yeah.

[B]

The mute. Hey, Arnold. The Music volume one is kick ass, dude. And he signed it to M. Yeah.

[A]

And then I also, I got some other autographs. I met the people. I don't know if if it's one woman or three women, but someone who voices the Powerpuff Girls was there, which was fun, so I got to say hi to her too. Anyway, it was. It was fun. I bought some tchotchkas. You know, I love a little chotch.

[B]

Was it in town or did you have to leave town?

[A]

No, it was in town. That was, that was the highlight. I was like, I need an escape. And I looked up, like, things that are going on, and I was like, hell, yeah, I'll go to a Comic Con.

[B]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, that's a good reason why I drank. The bad reasons why I drank are the same reasons everyone's drinking. So I don't know everyone. Just watch out for your neighbors and. I don't know. Buckle up. Yeah.

[B]

Shit's getting real. Really real.

[A]

Any. Any announcements to make before we get into me telling a ghost story? I feel so. This feels so, like, silly to tell a ghost story right now, given the.

[B]

I feel like it's not any sillier than going to a Comic Con or drawing a picture. What else are we supposed to do?

[A]

I would just keep it moving, I guess. Is there anything we need to announce?

[B]

I don't think so. Not that I know of. I mean, we're kind of like. I, I, I hesitate to say this, but, like, somewhat ahead for the first time. It already had about, like, a week, but still, it feels. Feels pretty. It feels like we're ahead a little bit. So it's kind of like, I don't know, I'm just kind of grooving. Ready to hear what you've got. I need to tell you about my green blazer. Okay. You. I know, like, you're usually the blazer person, but I got a green blazer through Daily. Look, it's something I never would have, like, tried on necessarily at the store, but when I got it, I was like, oh, snap. And I've been wearing it. I feel very chic and elevated in it. And again, it's not something I would have, like, come across in my own shopping searches. So I'm thankful for Daily look and my green blazer and all the other lovely items they've sent my way.

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[B]

Ooh, cowboy country again.

[A]

I don't know what's going on, because I'm actively trying to find different.

[B]

Different locations.

[A]

Maybe I'm trying to find different areas.

[B]

Well, the nation mine is kind of a. Now that I'm thinking about it, also a repeating what I've been doing.

[A]

Well, I think. I think you're right that it might be my algorithm, because I have been. I don't even know if, like, it's. If I feel like traveling lately, but I keep planning the stupid Montana trip to get through my leftover states so I can hit all 50 states.

[B]

That's right. It's on the brain.

[A]

And Billings, Montana is a Montana period. But Billings is one of the places I'm looking at. So, anyway, maybe I'll stop by this house if I ever go. This is the Moss mansion, and it was built in 1902 for the Moss family, if you can believe it or not. The Moss mansion.

[B]

Actually, like, I thought maybe it's just really green. I just thought it was covered really verdant and squishy. Oh, my God. Wait, can I tell a quick anecdote one time in half a sentence?

[A]

In. Yes.

[B]

Before I. Before I even get your yes or no? I'm like, can I. Before I take a breath. Actually, a story.

[A]

Let's hold it right now.

[B]

Now, let me. Let me. Let me regale you. But it was elementary school, and my brother did a diorama, and we had bought that, like, fake moss at. At Michael's, Michelle's, and. And he. Michelle's. And he came home, and we didn't realize at first, but he had this horrible reaction. Like, his eyes swelled and stuff, and we were like, what's going on? Turns out he's allergic to that fucking moss.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

So if you have, like, strong allergies, be really careful because that shit is, like, spores, you know, and it'll get in your system.

[A]

Good to know. I actually wouldn't know. I've never touched fake or real moss.

[B]

I guess it doesn't feel nice, really.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's, like, just moist, you know, always.

[A]

That's a. That just really sealed the deal for me. I'm not.

[B]

Rules it out immediately. Exactly.

[A]

What other words could we use? So I never touch it. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. So if you're doing a diorama, maybe use, like, tissue paper instead or Something, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, just a. Like a. Like a textured spray.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, that's cool too.

[A]

The piping. The piping thing from cakes.

[B]

Oh, but what are you putting in it?

[A]

Really thick paint or frosting.

[B]

And really just put paint in there because then someone's going to eat it. Okay, never mind. Listen, don't let us tell you how to make a diorama you believe in yourself. Okay.

[A]

The Moss Mansion. Here we go. Okay. Moss Mansion, 1902. It was built for Mr. And Mrs. Moss, but their names are Preston and Martha, although they went by P.B. and Matty. Maddie.

[B]

Maddie Moss.

[A]

Isn't that cute? That is. I'm telling you, there is such a significant rise in my chance of marrying somebody if there is an alliteration. If I were to change my name. If they were to change their name, so.

[B]

But for you, it would be E, which doesn't quite have alliteration. It's a toughie because it's sort of a. What it. How. It would have to be like M. Emberson.

[A]

Yeah, it would have to. It would be actually a really sad, gross name. I think. I think I. It would not sound right.

[B]

Hey, if your name's M. Emberson, M. Thinks you have a really gross name. I like it personally, so I think Emerson is a cool ass name. But what about Emerson? M. Emerson, Maybe. Okay. Hey, wait, wait, wait. How does this hit you? Emethy Emerson.

[A]

I think if there was Emma Fee and it's. And then the next. The last name started with a Th. Empathy, maybe.

[B]

No, because then anyone with a lisp is going to have a. With a lisp is going to have a hard time because then it be. So wait, it would be Em. Thurgood. Try saying that.

[A]

Thgood.

[B]

Well, I'm trying to think of a Th. Name.

[A]

Th. Good. Yeah, that'd be really stupid.

[B]

It sounds like you don't. Yeah, it sounds like a speech impediment, which is fine, but like, I don't know if that's what you're going for.

[A]

No, you're right. It does sound not like how I would want it to sound.

[B]

I. Emethy Thurgood.

[A]

I don't know why I thought that. I don't know what I don't.

[B]

I think.

[A]

I think my name's the only name. Maybe. Maybe that's why I'm appreciative of alliteration.

[B]

Because I know Emma Edmonton. Emethy Emerson. I think it works great.

[A]

I think you're a psychopath. That's what I think.

[B]

I okay, you're the one who wants to name yourself Emethy.

[A]

Okay, let's start. Let's. Let's go with yours, like Christine. Anything with a sound is gonna sound incredible with yours.

[B]

No, it's not. Because if it's Christine, you're immediately wrong. What?

[A]

You know, it sounds better than empathy Thurgood.

[B]

I'll tell you Christine Christensen, then I sound like I literally invented the church.

[A]

It's actually short for Jesus Christ.

[B]

Yeah, it's short for my. My dad is God. Sorry.

[A]

My dad the inventor of digital and.

[B]

Jesus Christensen is insane. But anyway, I think.

[A]

I think you have a better shot with the alliteration than I do.

[B]

Well, too bad. My husband's name is Lampagnelli, and I it up. You got her it all up.

[A]

You got. You got burned. That's okay. It's. You know what?

[B]

Speaking of burned, Emberson is a cool last name, and I will die on this hill.

[A]

I agree with you. I just don't think it's from my name.

[B]

But I think Emerson.

[A]

Yeah, like, because also that just sounds like member sin.

[B]

Okay, Emma the Emberson.

[A]

I think it's time to call it quits.

[B]

Okay, fine.

[A]

I. I do actually. I know someone from college. Her sister's name was Ember, and I was like, that's a kick ass name.

[B]

Although I thought we were giving it a rest.

[A]

Okay, you're right. Okay. Sorry. Yeah, no, you're right.

[B]

I would have talked about for another hour.

[A]

Back to the best name I've ever heard, though. Maddie Moss. Hello.

[B]

Martha Moss. Maddie Moss. Very good.

[A]

No notes. Her and her husband. So they ends up getting this mansion built for them. It costs $105,000 then in 1902, which is now basically $4 million. Yikes. And fun fact, it was designed by the same person who designed the Plaza Hotels and the original Waldorf Astoria.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

So I feel like that alone, he was like, it's gonna be $4 million.

[B]

Regardless of size, base level.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. My. My starting pay is 4 million. This mansion had 28 rooms, which.

[B]

What?

[A]

I. Here's what I don't like. I'm so over this. When they don't tell you what type of rooms, immediately I want to know. Bedroom, bathroom situation.

[B]

I don't like the rooms. We're going to have to like too vague, specific. I agree. Because a room could mean anything.

[A]

If someone said 28 rooms and 26 of them are like pantries, I'm like, well, I don't fucking want that.

[B]

Yes, you do. Because if they're Full. You're going to have a good day.

[A]

You caught me immediately.

[B]

Yeah, but I understand your point. Like, are they all bathrooms? Because again, this is like out of the Sims all of a sudden. But you know what I mean. Like, yeah, if 28 rooms. Like which rooms are.

[A]

Yeah, it's Chauncey Bliss's favorite mansion that.

[B]

Ever existed, 28 pantries and 28 bathro bathrooms.

[A]

So there's 28 rooms, including parlors. That's plural. Libraries. Plural. Sitting rooms, Garden rooms, a ballroom and a solarium.

[B]

Oo, wait, what's the difference between a solarium and a garden room? That feels like the same thing, but maybe.

[A]

Fascinating question. I don't. Cuz then also throw in a greenhouse. I'm really confused.

[B]

That's right. And.

[A]

And I. And they have enough room, it seems, for all three, but they're just called garden rooms. Pretty much.

[B]

Sounds. Sounds lovely though.

[A]

I'm over it actually.

[B]

Okay, me too.

[A]

Honestly, if we have a solarium, why the. Isn't there a planetarium? That's what I'm thinking. Oh, you got $4 million, you're not gonna get yourself a planetarium.

[B]

Very good question.

[A]

Not that hard, I bet.

[B]

Not impressed. Not impressed.

[A]

If I had $4 million, I'd imagine a player. A planetarium is much more likely to happen.

[B]

That's. That's the first thing you're gonna buy.

[A]

Certainly not the 10th. So the home also had. And this is a quote. Because I didn't even want to mess with. I didn't even want to mess with the quote. The home also had heated indoor plumbing, an electric bell system, and a very early version of a rotary phone, which rotary phones weren't even gonna be popular for the next 20 years.

[B]

1902. This was.

[A]

Yeah. Who are you calling when no one else has a fucking phone?

[B]

But that is so like McMansion coded. Right? Like what are you even going to do with that thing? Whatever that like extra. I have a thing you bought.

[A]

I'll wait 20 years until you can get back to me.

[B]

Yes, yes. I'll leave you a voicemail. Someday you'll get a voice mailbox and you'll know what I'm saying.

[A]

What was your phone number?

[B]

One. Stupid, my friend. One. Yeah, you could probably talk to like Alexander Graham Bell or whoever the fuck. Like and that. Or Thomas Edison, you know, or whoever the fuck did this. Franklin. Who? One of these fudgeing old men did this.

[A]

Literally. I could not agree more. It's. I think at some point it's just like I would love with. With My adult money. I would love to buy the clear build it yourself landline phone we all wanted as.

[B]

I love those.

[A]

And yet. Why? Who am I calling? I don't have. Yeah, I don't have. I would. I would want the experience of us both being on a landline and twirling.

[B]

The cord, but do you want to know something? I think some people are trying to bring those back. You know why? I think people are trying to get off the. Off the. Like, people are going Luddite mode, some people. And they're getting, like, landlines and, like, flip phones. Like, people are kind of detaching from some people. Not. I certainly. But some people are detaching from. From the phones. I'm not quite there yet, but maybe get one then. Maybe sooner. Hey, why don't you get one? Why don't you dial one, see what happens. See what happens.

[A]

It'll get me to Mansion, Billings, Montana. You type in one, Montana's on the.

[B]

Line, and then you're ready to rock and roll.

[A]

I think you're onto something.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

If landlines do become more popular, just know that's exactly. You don't even have to question which phone I'm getting.

[B]

Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. I actually still have the lip phone. The lips phone.

[A]

No, you don't.

[B]

From when I was. My stepmom. It was my stepmom in the 70s, and then she gave it to me, and it used to be in my bedroom growing up. And I just was always so embarrassed by it. Why? And now I'm like, because. I don't know, I was like, a kid, and I was like, what is this weird mouth phone she put in my room?

[A]

No, that was so.

[B]

I wish I had it back. It's at her house. I should go get it.

[A]

That reminds me of, like, the peanut M and M phone or something. I feel like there was a phone that the M and M's were somehow involved in.

[B]

Well, remember my SpongeBob phone? Where you open and remember? Then I left it at tsa, and they said, oh, name one thing in your bag and we'll give it back to you. Which, by the way, what a wild choice for a TSA question. He's like, just give me one thing in there. And I was like, shoes. And he's like, too vague. And I was like, a spongebob landline corded phone. And he was like, okay, here's your bag.

[A]

You know what would be even crazier is if you really were just trying to steal someone's bag. And that was the one guess you got to take.

[B]

That's what you said last time. And I still find it absolutely crazy. You're right. If that were. If that had happened, I mean, this is also like five years ago. I just remember that that was your exact response. And I was like, that's a really good point. If I just guessed that at the Cincinnati airport somebody was toting one of those bad boys around. And I. Right.

[A]

I do have a side. A side announcement for you is that I. You might be onto something with the psychic thing. Maybe because I told you somebody at Comic Con was doing the Kreskin esp. I got every one right.

[B]

You're sick, dude. I told you. Listen, I've been telling em for years that M is psychic. They are. There's like, we've done those like, kreskin things. And Em gets like a freaky amount, right? Sometimes, like, em will go to the bathroom, we'll put like something underneath a cup, and Em comes. Oh, we put the. That's what it was. The fish. The fortune telling fish.

[A]

I was told to leave the room while Eva and Christine tried to hide something. And then I had to guess where it was. And I. I a little too confidently walked right in and went, it's obviously right there.

[B]

And while it was right, like a piece of celery. And I was like, all right, get out of here. You look at the best things in.

[A]

Life happen to me when I'm eating celery, I'll tell you that.

[B]

It really felt like it was out of some sort of a sitcom, but wow. Okay, so you got them all, right?

[A]

And even the people there were like, are we angling it? Like, they were like, no one's done that.

[B]

Okay, what are we doing with this? Are we. Are we. Are we doing anything with this? What. What number am I thinking of?

[A]

38. I don't.

[B]

About three. So you were close.

[A]

I. I don't know what it. I don't think there's anything to do. I think it's just a fun, fun story. I'm not. Because, like, then what? Then I tell people I'm. I'm psychic. And then all of a sudden, everyone's trying to test me and I'll get everything wrong. So statistically, I will get most things wrong. So then I just don't look psychic. So then, like, then it's not true.

[B]

What color am I thinking of?

[A]

Purple. Fuck. I don't know.

[B]

See, this is. I know. No, you're right. It is like, you can't really approach it like that. You Got to kind of use it for evil.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

Yeah. Totally. Use it and, like, in your own. As a tool. I don't know. You could probably. I don't know. It feels like something you should pursue.

[A]

If I knew how. I'm not.

[B]

If I were psychic. I've been trying. Okay. But if I were actually psychic, naturally, I would be all over that.

[A]

I think if Kreskin were alive, him and I could do something interesting. But other than that, I think I. The window is closed.

[B]

Channel him, baby. He's up there.

[A]

You got the. He knows. I'm feeling. I feel him. He feels me. Yeah, we're in it. Yeah. Anyway, that was my update, because I remember it happened yesterday, and I was like, if Christine were here, I would just. I would not hear the.

[B]

You heard me. I knew it.

[A]

Okay, so they. It's a big fucking mansion, and this couple lives there, the Moss family. They actually moved to Billings right when Billings was brand new. They were like, there's this new town. Let's go. Just take it over. So they moved to Billings. They are immediately a very successful power couple. PB Moss himself was a very important banker. He massively helped develop the town. He had ranching businesses with. With, like, tens of thousands of animals. And that led to him developing the city's first meat packing plant. He also founded Billings, first heating plant, water and power plant, its first. I think it's first telephone company. He was the president of the town.

[B]

Yeah. Because he needed a phone. Yeah.

[A]

He was like, I got this thing and it doesn't work, so let's throw a power line up there.

[B]

Yeah. Instead of being like, I don't need that, he's like, actually, now I got to build a whole industry behind my new landline phone.

[A]

You know, if he's not here to answer it for me, it's a bit chicken or the eye. Like, did you start the company and now you need a phone? Or do you have a phone so you need to start the company?

[B]

Although I do understand if someone, like, wanted you to start a telephone company, you're like, well, I guess I might as well get one of my house of these newfangled bad boys.

[A]

Maybe he had it on display in his home as, like a. Like a World's fair exhibit thing, where he was like, people come on over to my mansion and let me show you this technology you should buy.

[B]

It's in the solarium.

[A]

It's in.

[B]

You know, and then all of a sudden it went. And he's like, what the hell is that? They didn't know what it was.

[A]

I mean, in a room that's meant to be so peaceful, like that had to be jarring.

[B]

In 1902, it's like, yeah, a bell all of a sudden ringing.

[A]

And if it's not in the solarium, by the way, what an idiot. Where else would you want to sit and talk? On the phone.

[B]

Huge. Maybe in one of the pantries, I think. So that's where the Oreos are.

[A]

Honestly. And you had. Were connected by a cord.

[B]

You might remember we used to sit in the pantry. At least I did. And snack.

[A]

I remember being like, hang on, I have to go get food. And then you would just put the phone on the floor.

[B]

Tap, tap, tap, tap.

[A]

Yep. Anyway, so he did all those things on top of it. He was also the president for the town's First National Bank. He was in a bunch of Masonic circles. He participated in the billing school board. He helped build other local companies, including a sugar factory, a college, a toothpaste factory, the town's irrigation system.

[B]

The sugar took off. He's like, shit, look, now we got to do a toothpaste.

[A]

I know ADHD when I see it.

[B]

And I mean, honestly, I'm really relating to this guy, except for the Masonic part.

[A]

He's like, oh, I'm just going to build the town's irrigation system. The bank is getting too boring while I'm at it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

He also founded and owned the first printing company in the area, which ended up becoming the Billings Gazette, which I used for my notes.

[B]

No, that's so full circle. I know.

[A]

He ended up.

[B]

Billings Gazette is a kick ass name, isn't it?

[A]

Although I. I'm not even gonna really try to go there. But you know, I love alliteration. So I. I prefer when it's like the Billings something.

[B]

I was just thinking that the bill. The Billings Bulletin.

[A]

Oh, you know, I love a bulletin.

[B]

But I love a Gazette because it just. The name the Z, honestly, is kind of a wild card in my book. It's like, all right, but if we're throwing a Z, I guess you can play with the first letter alliteration.

[A]

The only reason I love my last name is because of the Z.

[B]

It's excellent. I know.

[A]

If you have a Z in your name, you're so lucky.

[B]

I know. It's so, so cool. I'm jealous.

[A]

And I agree because that just sounds like old 1940s. Hey ya buddy. Kind of.

[B]

I just gotta take a look. I gotta get my peepers on that gazette.

[A]

I work for the Gazette. You Know, don't you know? Oh, I bet you could probably. If you wanted to start a subscription to the Billings Gazette, I'm sure you could just take mine. Since I'm subscribed to every newspaper in the nation.

[B]

I'll just tell Rocket Money to go on over to yours and send it my way.

[A]

Just swap it out.

[B]

Yeah, start forwarding them.

[A]

What was your hometown's newspaper growing up?

[B]

Cincinnati.com. your famous. No, it wasn't really. No, it was a Cincinnati Inquirer, but so I think you may have also subscribed to that one, so it's nothing surprising. What was the. Was there a Fredericksburg Flyer?

[A]

I would love for there to be a Fredericksburg Flyer. Maybe I start that.

[B]

I was going to say I made a Wolper News when I lived on a street called Wolper, and I made. I put it on the neighbors mailboxes. I use my mom's copy make copy machine.

[A]

And that's so powerful.

[B]

Oh, thank you. Oh, wait. You know what? How about during the yapyar, I tell you about what I wrote about my features and all this stuff because I it. And about the people. The people who had to tell me to stop showing up at their house because I'm a child and I need to go home.

[A]

I would love that.

[B]

Yeah, okay, great.

[A]

I would love that. No, we had the Freelance Star, and I was like, we could have named it. Anything else?

[B]

Yeah, sorry, I don't.

[A]

I don't feel love for that. Actually.

[B]

Freelance Star is not great.

[A]

We have the Burbank Bulletin here.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

But I will tell you, best thing about the Burbank Bulletin is that it is owned by a reality, not a reality show. Lol. It's very.

[B]

Now that's good. A real Bravo took over the Bravo Burbank.

[A]

Sponsored by Bravo, a realty company. There's this guy in town named Brad Korb who I'm just giving free press to at this point, but Brad Korb, he clearly owns this newspaper because half the newspaper is like on the front page every single week. It's like, Brad Korb's done it again. And I'm like, what has he done? And he's just selling houses.

[B]

He isn't a journalist. Just covering his.

[A]

I feel like it's Brad Corb in his Bradcore basement going, I've done it again. I don't know.

[B]

I've done it again. I mean, he, he.

[A]

Anyway, that's the Burbank Bulletin, which I appreciate the headline, but every time I'm like, let me Guess Brad Corp's done it again. He always does.

[B]

He done it again.

[A]

There has yet to be a week where he hasn't done it again.

[B]

But that'll be breaking news when that happens.

[A]

I would like to see a change of pace. Brad, take. Take a week off.

[B]

Take a walk. There you say take a walk.

[A]

Take a walk. So and so that was PB he did everything under the sun. Pretty much. He's done it again, as they say.

[B]

He's done it again.

[A]

And then his wife, Maddie. What? Maddie Moss was also well known in town. She was also a part of, like, her church. And the Freemasons are her own part of the Freemasons. But my favorite fun fact is this is a quote that she was the first woman in Billings to drive a car and was deviled to death with everyone wanting a ride. I think because they just couldn't believe that a woman could drive.

[B]

And they were like, deviled to death.

[A]

Like, she's, like, overwhelmed maybe.

[B]

Oh, oh, she's just bothered, pestered to death by these people wanting a ride.

[A]

They rode with a woman driving the car.

[B]

Are you sure it's not like she's the only one with a car. Maybe. Isn't she the only person or the only woman to drive a car?

[A]

First woman.

[B]

Oh, so they wanted to drive with a woman. Okay, I see. I see.

[A]

That'd be crazy, though. She was the first woman and person to have a car.

[B]

I was like, all the men are.

[A]

Just like, give me a ride. So PB and Martha, they lived in this big old mansion with their three servants and their six kids. Their kids names were Woodson. It's spelled Kula, but apparently pronounced Cully. Okay, and then Melville, who's a girl.

[B]

Melville. Wow. These are. These are like 20, 26 names.

[A]

I know a lot of these are coming back. Preston, David, and Virginia.

[B]

Wait, didn't you already say Preston? What was the first one?

[A]

Woodson.

[B]

Okay, please. Woodson. Sounds like a bourbon or something. Okay, Woodson. What's the next one?

[A]

Cully.

[B]

How do you spell that?

[A]

Like kula. K, U, L, A pronoun, K. But.

[B]

Apparently I heard that name.

[A]

It's. Apparently it's indigenous. It means something like bird, peaceful bird or something.

[B]

Oh, cooley. Okay, what was the next one?

[A]

Melville. Preston, David, Virginia.

[B]

Melville Moss.

[A]

Now that's a good one.

[B]

Virginia moss is pretty cool too. Although it does sound like something you'd see in, like, a plant guide.

[A]

It sounds like Spanish moss.

[B]

That's why. Yep, that's why. Yep. Nailed it.

[A]

And so PB and Martha and their kids, while still living in the home. They passed away in the 1940s when they were, like, in their, I think, late 80s. So they spent their whole lives with their kids in this house. Actually, PB passed away in the home, so I think he was the first person to die in the house. But six relatives of the Moss family ended up dying in the home over the years, so there's six deaths. Another one of those deaths was their youngest daughter. Their youngest kid, Virginia, who was born in the house and then passed away from diphtheria only five years later.

[B]

So it's rough.

[A]

When PB and Martha passed, their daughter Melville took over the house until she died in the 1980s. So it stayed in the family all the way into only, like, 40 years ago. Melville didn't have a family herself, but she spent her life being a, like, international traveling musician. So what? I think Melville was just fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In 1984, the end was near for Melville, and she was still living in the mansion, but she had a hospice nurse, and at this point, she was unable to use the stairs, and so she was sleeping near the stairs on the main floor. And one night, I think it was. One version said it was the night before Melville passed, or I think it was just kind of near when Melville passed. The nurse heard something in the middle of the night and went to go check on Melville to see if she was okay. She got up to check on Melville and saw a little girl standing over her bed watching Melville sleep.

[B]

Oh, my word.

[A]

And it's presumed that that was Virginia Moss who died in the house at 5, and she was just watching over her sister. As time got closer, the big sister.

[B]

Saying, we're all waiting for you.

[A]

Which I would then go so far as to say that was probably also what PB saw on his way out. He probably saw his daughter being the person who welcomed him to the other side.

[B]

Oh, she's the psychopomp.

[A]

Yes. I love that you remembered that word after all this time.

[B]

You know what it's like. I'd heard it so many times before you did the episode. I still had no clue what it meant. And you finally told me, and it clicked.

[A]

That was a good. That was a good episode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was after the first time. We're assuming Virginia, the little girl, was spotted by this nurse. Virginia ended up becoming a much more popular spirit that people would get a glimpse of if they were lucky. So today she is most often seen on the staircase landing, maybe still heading over to Melville's room or. I don't know why the stairs specifically, but they assume it has to do with checking on her sister before her sister passed. Melville's also said to haunt the home now because investigators have asked for the ghost to state their names if they're present during investigations. And they got an EVP of someone saying Melville.

[B]

Oh, well, I mean, that's a very specific sounding word, I think.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. And There are also EVPs of an adult woman's voice with a little kid. And a lot of people think it's Melville and her sister reunited.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And they're just hanging out together in the house.

[B]

Sweet.

[A]

In another evp, the investigators said they were going upstairs and got the same voice saying, I can't come with you. And people think maybe that's because Melville as a ghost is still in her older form when she could no longer use the stairs.

[B]

Oh. So she's like, oh, I can't go up the stairs. Oh, wow.

[A]

Which. Imagine haunting a 28 room mansion and you can't get to the top floor. That's insane.

[B]

Or are you thinking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it makes you wonder, like, where, where. How are the parameters set? Like, are they set based on her actual limitations? Does she just think she can't go up the stairs because she's like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because usually they Confidence thing. Right. She just needs a little pep talk. So you can't. Yeah. Like sometimes they say, oh, you know, she. She looked so much younger and like more vibrant when I saw her ghost. Like people say like, oh, she. They like heal and they come back, like more. But maybe that's different if it's just like a. Yeah.

[A]

My understanding from what people have said is that if they see someone, it's either in their, like in their happiest years, like they like, are able to age to whatever. Like they can choose.

[B]

They're most like, prime. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So it's interesting that it's really sad if a ghost can cross. A person can cross over and is still in the same headspace or doing the same medical stuff.

[B]

Well, and I feel like you do see that, I guess with like, hauntings where it's like, oh, someone. You see someone like hanging or falling to their death or like replaying their last moments. Maybe it's just like replaying her final. I don't know.

[A]

That's a good point, though. I don't know. But I assume it's something like what you and I have done on investigations where it's gone like, okay, we're gonna go upstairs. You can come with Us if you want. And then they got I can't come, which is. Oh, yeah, sad.

[B]

Anyway, our reaction would have been like, why? What's up there?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Would have totally read into it.

[B]

Either way, you go first.

[A]

She'd be like, it just can't get up there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Other spirits here are said to be Virginia and also their father, PB since he died in the house. I don't know who the other people are that died in the house, so I don't know why. They said six relatives died in the building, but I didn't see a list anywhere of those other three people.

[B]

That's mysterious.

[A]

It is. It is. It is. He has been seen walking down the staircase. There's something about these stairs.

[B]

I know, man. These stairs are like some sort of portal or something.

[A]

Well, PB is also seen at night in his bedroom, which I love that he's still going to sleep. Like, he always does a routine, man. Which would be if I died and my haunting was like, I still go to bed. At the same time, I'd be. You'd see a ghost walking to the bedroom at like 5 in the morning.

[B]

People be like, oh, they're going for breakfast. No, it's bedtime.

[A]

It said if you play music from their time period, you'll start seeing shadows darting around the mansion.

[B]

Oh, they're dancing.

[A]

Oh, I hadn't even thought about that. I just thought they appeared.

[B]

Do you think they were, like, running in panic from the noise? Like the time the phone rang and everybody had a connection.

[A]

Get to the solarium quick.

[B]

Everyone gather in the solarium.

[A]

I don't know what I thought. I think I assumed it was like, oh, now they're just moving about their day in the house.

[B]

You're just like activating them somehow. I mean, maybe, maybe.

[A]

But I guess investigators have done this where they've played old timey music. And in the library, in the parlor specifically, I don't know which parlor. They saw shadows everywhere. Staff have also gotten calls from people that figures have been seen in the third floor windows.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

However, I then saw in an interview someone say, that's the employees only area. It's probably just employees.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So I don't know. I don't know which is true. Maybe both are true. People will feel wind blow through the house. Sometimes it actually feels like it's swirling around just one person. People have seen the curtains blowing on their own.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

Yuck.

[B]

That's like a new one, kind of.

[A]

Yeah. Staff have also. They make sure to Tell the house high and goodbye each day to keep the spirits happy. And they've heard a female voice singing in the billiards room. They've heard laughing footsteps, knockings, voices talking. And they claim that objects move throughout the house. And there are many EVPs. One team actually got a man saying, bring me a flashlight. And one, it's assumed that that's PB because that's the only man we know of that died in the house.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

But two, it's funny where, like, someone said a ghost said, bring me a flashlight, and they're like, well, it's. They were ghost hunting, maybe just because the lights were off and this guy was like, where? I can't see anything.

[B]

Hey, what the hell? Turn the lights.

[A]

Which. That makes me wonder, every time we've gone ghost hunting, did they want us to turn the lights on too? Because they're like, why are we all bumping into each other?

[B]

Like, if you're gonna be playing music, like, turn the lights on. I can't see where I'm dancing.

[A]

Anyway, food for thought. Do you think ghosts want the lights on?

[B]

Yeah, probably not. I feel like it's. I don't know. I feel like. I don't know. If I were a ghost, I'd be like, just leave me. Leave me be in the dark.

[A]

I think I. I think I like the idea of them meeting the lights on. So that way they can feel like they're living in the building that they're used to. Like, they can feel like it's just every day the lights are on sometimes. But I. I feel like it's easier for them to contact us when the lights are off because then we're all a little more vulnerable.

[B]

Yeah. Our senses are, like, heightened, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Staff also feel like something is definitely in the house with them. But they claim the spirits are kind and probably just either still living here, like blueprint theory, or just watching over the people who now run the house.

[B]

Right.

[A]

One of the reasons that the place might be so active is because when the family sold this mansion, it's now a museum. And in the museum are artifacts from the family. So there are a lot of accidental trigger items throughout the house.

[B]

They're like, I can't reach my combination.

[A]

Yeah. It's like I'm just trying to get it. My one phone. The one phone you can.

[B]

Oh. Oh, I said comb. The phone would be even more distressing. Please. The phone's just ringing off the hook, and they can't reach it. Oh, God.

[A]

Now that would be Creative though, if they got that phone probably unplugged these days to ring. Oh, that'd be scary as shit. Some of the artifacts, though, are their furniture. Quilts and needlepoint that they made. Melville's harp, Maddie's oil paintings. This one I don't understand. But apparently the children at some point got together and made a basketball hoop. And so that's still on the third floor.

[B]

That's cute. I guess, like if you. If you learn to do the string, like tie the knots. Yeah, Into a net.

[A]

I've never heard of that before. But I guess if you want to. I guess there's a family.

[B]

It's like newfangled hoop and stick.

[A]

It is literally just sideways hoop and.

[B]

Stick, but hoop with a ball instead.

[A]

And then the other thing that's still there is a toy ship that one of the sons made. But it. He literally painted on it with his sister's fingernail polish. And the ship is still there. And the eeriest part, the eeriest part is there's still original chalk drawings from the kids in the attic.

[B]

God, no. Where people see the people in the window. Forget it.

[A]

The mansion is open to the public. Offers events and tours to raise funds for its preservation. Some of the events are ghost tours, murder mystery dinners, a jump scare Halloween house. And then during Christmas, there's a Christmas tree tour. Oh. Where I guess a bunch of different businesses get to decorate a tree. And then everyone goes to the mansion to look at everyone's trees. Oh, and I think there's like a vote or a contest. And then I'll end on this. That it's on the National Register of Historic Places and has been a filming location for a bunch of movies I did not know the name to. Too cool.

[B]

Does it have a plaque? I assume so.

[A]

I gotta assume so.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

But that's the Moss Mansion.

[B]

Hey, good job, Moss Mansion. It does sound like a Sims house, but I love it.

[A]

Also alliteration.

[B]

Also alliteration.

[A]

Your favorite Moss Mansion. Flip it around. Wicked Witch.

[B]

Oh, okay. Hell yeah.

[A]

It's a stupid TikTok thing.

[B]

Okay, well, I'm gonna go pee. And then I want to tell you about the Wolper news, because I have really. Please. Breaking news from 1998 to share.

[A]

Oh, it will be breaking to me.

[B]

Okay, great. See you in a moment. I'm all about simplifying. Okay. This year I'm like, let's just simplify at base level. And that's why Hungry Root has been such a dream. They send. They send foods my way. That are, like, perfectly curated for my kitchen. So it's sort of like in the morning, I'm like, oh, shoot, I don't really feel like eating anything. Oh, my gosh. Hungry Root scent bagels and cream cheese. And then later, oh, I don't know what to cook. Oh, well, let me look at the couple recipes they sent and how much time they take. I mean, it's like they thought of everything.

[A]

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[B]

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[B]

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[A]

Oh, what side are you?

[B]

And what zodiac sign are you? We asked a lot of ridiculous questions. But you know what? Eva answered them 100 for a hundred beautifully.

[A]

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[A]

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[B]

We're back. Thank you so much, everybody. If you were in our. In our lovely yappy hour, you heard about the Wolverine news and Ems. Ems getting a copy for themselves at a larping party they went to. So, you know, things are just popping off over there on Patreon.

[A]

I would. I would really. If you do find a copy of it blown up sent my way, you just let me know.

[B]

But I will print it. I have more resources at my disposal than a fax machine and copy machine. Now, I could probably print it on some. What is that called? Parchment paper?

[A]

Yeah. You could literally just make it really tiny and print it as a sticker on your Etsy.

[B]

Oh, that.

[A]

It could just be a sticker of the woolper news and people could be like. Like part of, like, subscriber to the woolper news.

[B]

It should say, underneath Shrek the movie gets an a plus from me and it'll be like this big.

[A]

You know, I'm just saying family who know. That would be an incredible, like, obscure reference to the podcast.

[B]

It's like that one reference that I kept having to Google that everybody kept putting on things that really long. Was it like, Jersey Shore.

[A]

Oh, what about the Jersey shore?

[B]

Remember that long, like, rant and then people put it like, he was cheating on you or.

[A]

Oh, dear Sam, the note. Yeah, the Jersey shore.

[B]

Oh, it is. Okay. I've like, googled it so many times because I always forget and I never watched that show.

[A]

I did not know that you had a struggle with that. It's like, like, the note is one of my favorite pieces of reality.

[B]

Very iconography, very funny. Like, I just. I remember just finding, like, the whole concept hilarious, which is why I kept googling what it was from. I was like, this is good stuff. These people are.

[A]

Sam, when you were at bed.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That was.

[B]

That was fun for me, even on the outside. Okay, everybody, back to the depressing news. As m said, I have the story of. Okay, the reason I said it's kind of a. The same pattern is that it's another hotel room mystery. And I feel like I've been doing a lot of those, but for some reason, like, they are just Very interesting to me these days. You know, they're just like. It's like a puzzle within a story.

[A]

I eat them up. Christine, I'm so glad. Thank you. Keep this up, actually.

[B]

Listen, you're so welcome. I'm gonna let you kind of try and figure this one out because you are gonna solve it, right? That's what we decide at the beginning of every episode.

[A]

I love that you first of all gave me per. As if I wasn't just going to keep interjecting all episode. But it's a.

[B]

It's a. It's a. What do you call it? Courtesy. You know, just a courtesy. Thank you.

[A]

Thank you. I appreciate it. I know I do plan to solve it.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

Can't guarantee anything, but I am confident.

[B]

That would be great. Okay. I am psychic, so. Oh, wait, hang on. But make sure you're not just psychic about what I'm thinking, because that's not going to be helpful because. I don't know.

[A]

We'll see. I can't make problems. Promise.

[B]

Okay. So. On Wednesday, January 2, 1935, a man entered Kansas City's Hotel President at 14th in Baltimore and asked for an interior room several floors up. He registered under the name Roland T. Owen and gave Los Angeles as his home address. He paid for one day of lodging and he carried no luggage with him. Staff descriptions varied on age, but usually said about 20 to 35. Distinctive features were repeatedly noted. Dark brown hair. He had a large scar on the side of his scalp, which was, like, pretty noticeable. And he also had cauliflower ear. Okay, do you know what. You know what that is, right? It's like people. Oftentimes with boxing or wrestling or. Or jiu jitsu, you get. Yeah. Like the fluid buildup in your ear and it turns kind of. Of poofy over time. So they thought maybe that was kind of what he had a background in. Bellboy Randolph Probst escorted this man to room 1046 on the 10th floor. It was an inside room facing the courtyard, and the bellboy later described him as neatly dressed in a dark overcoat. But he also said that this guy Owen had stayed at the nearby Mule Bok the night before. This was what he told the bellboy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But he said he came to this hotel instead, the hotel president, because the mule box $5 rate was too expensive for an inside room.

[A]

What year is this?

[B]

So this is 1935. $5 nowadays is about a hundred.

[A]

Okay. And also let's note that he. As if you haven't already. But.

[B]

No, no, please.

[A]

Is that he's already stayed at another place. So he is already due for a change of clothes, but has no luggage.

[B]

Right. Very good point. So he's already been in town. It's hotel for a night.

[A]

There have been times where I stay in a hotel for the day to do a day rate, because I don't plan on spending the night. So I don't bring luggage, because I don't. But if you stayed at another hotel last night, wear your clothes from yesterday.

[B]

And you don't want to pay the rate. So it's not like you left your stuff there. You clearly, like, moved. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And you plan on spending the night here. So you're already now two nights in.

[B]

No new clothes and no new clothes. And on top of that, he did have a couple things. They were all in his pockets. So the bellboy observed Owen unpack all of his belongings, which was a black hairbrush, a black comb, and toothpaste, and that was it.

[A]

And no toothbrush.

[B]

Okay, good point.

[A]

So what's that for? To scrub on your finger?

[B]

I mean, maybe back then you didn't really have a normal tooth. I don't know. Maybe there was like.

[A]

I mean, he was carrying a normal brush.

[B]

Oh, maybe just hair brush his teeth. Oh, gross. After putting those items by the sink, Owen and the bellboy left the room. The bellboy saw Owen exit the hotel shortly afterward. So now we have another witness, Mary Soptic. She is a housekeeper, and she first encountered this man Owen, when she went to clean 1046 around midday and found him inside because. Well, apparently this surprised her because a woman had been using the room previously. And so I guess she just got a little startled. The room's lighting and his demeanor stood out to her immediately. The shades were tightly drawn. There was only a dim lamp on. And she thought that this man seemed worried or afraid and was trying to keep in the dark. And he was just kind of hiding from something. Yeah, it looked like it. So during that cleaning, Owen was very friendly. He said, come on and you can clean. He put on his overcoat while Mary was still cleaning, brushed his hair. I don't know about his teeth in the bathroom. Maybe he forgot his toothbrush. That is annoying when you, like, have. You're like, now what do I do?

[A]

So. And also I'm carrying this other random thing that I can't even use now.

[B]

You have an extra thing. Yeah, exactly. So he brushed his hair in the bathroom, Then he left the room. And he told Mary Soptic, the housekeeper, to please not lock the door because he Was expecting a friend to stop by soon.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So this is a weird situation that, like, gets addressed, but we don't really know why this is the case, this hotel at the time. The doors could be locked from the outside, which is.

[A]

Oh, could they be unlocked from the outside?

[B]

Yeah, you had the key, but you could lock. I guess. I guess it's just an old. I mean, 1935. I guess it's just a normal locked door, so you could lock it.

[A]

I'm thinking of the Hotel Congress we stayed in in Tucson. The. The old, old, old.

[B]

Oh, yeah. So something like that. Yeah.

[A]

Imagine, like, it's just like a. Like a door. Just door. I don't know.

[B]

With a metal key and a normal lock. Yeah. So he tells her, please don't lock the door. Leave it open. I have a friend coming soon, so.

[A]

Hey.

[B]

Hey. Yep.

[A]

Hey, do you want to know something so horrid?

[B]

Huh?

[A]

We never pressed record again. I don't know why, but it says paused. And why does it say two seconds? Did we not record anything?

[B]

Oh, no. All the video was off M.

[A]

Like, for the whole thing, like the whole episode.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

Well, we're here now, folks. Welcome to the last quarter of the episode.

[B]

Jesus. I kept looking up and I kept seeing end recording, and I was like, oh, good. So we're still recording.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Hmm.

[B]

This was a very visual episode. I feel like.

[A]

I feel like we did a lot of this.

[B]

We did a lot of gesticulating. I showed my sticker, and nobody could even see it.

[A]

Oh, it was a beautiful sticker.

[B]

Oh, thanks. Wow. Devastating.

[A]

Do you want to start the entire episode again?

[B]

No, I don't. I. I mean, I don't. Unless you do. Maybe we can just, like. We're sorry.

[A]

Yeah, I think so. I think if anyone was watching on YouTube, I think they just find out now.

[B]

Sorry, everybody.

[A]

Man. Oh, Christine. That's silly.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry, Jack. I'm sorry, everybody. Oh, my God. Embarrassing. That was so, so stupid.

[A]

Well, we've got our locals.

[B]

At least we have audio.

[A]

I mean, we have audio. That's all that matters. Remember that one time we literally recorded a whole episode and then had to go record the entire episode again? Do you remember that? That was in your old, old house and heaps worse.

[B]

He. Tremendously worse than this. So.

[A]

Because you didn't even press record. We. At the time, we only recorded, like, the mixers or something.

[B]

We were just talking to each other. Yeah.

[A]

And then we had to come back the next day and just tell. Tell the entire Story all over again.

[B]

Terrible.

[A]

Remember when you fell asleep or. No. Okay, I'm just checking.

[B]

I've heard about it and I've. I've visualized it in my mind's eye, but for some reason, I can't quite pull the memory itself.

[A]

Up to this day, my favorite episode. There's no. There's no better. I'm so. I'm truly so glad you did it because the story's so funny.

[B]

I just remember one eye closing and then I would try to close it. Not even.

[A]

You were doing. You were like this. And you go.

[B]

And then I hit the microphone.

[A]

I wish we recorded video then.

[B]

I know that's disappointing.

[A]

If you saw, you would have made us redo the entire episode because there it was so obvious.

[B]

It's so embarrassing.

[A]

It was my favorite episode. I'm so glad it happened.

[B]

So, anyway, welcome everyone. Visually, I'm so sorry, everybody. I. I cannot believe that that's. I'm glad you caught that.

[A]

But like, dude, I caught it way late. We need two seconds.

[B]

It says two seconds.

[A]

Neither of us saw that this entire time for an hour and a half. Well, Christine's story is going to get some real visual play all of a sudden.

[B]

So sorry, everybody. Okay, we're at the mystery of room 1046. So Owen puts on his overcoat. He tells this housekeeper to not lock the door from the outside because he has someone coming over. Now, I also mentioned that you can't lock the doors or that you can lock the doors from the outside because staff tended to use locked from the outside as sort of a proxy message for the guest is probably not here because they locked the door from the outside and left. So they kind of did that as like, oh, if they're going to clean the room, they knock. They say, oh, it looks like it's locked from the outside. I'm going to go in and clean while they're out. You know what I'm saying? That's.

[A]

Sure. I mean, I guess it's no different than like today's hotel rooms where you can get into a locked in locked room.

[B]

Right. With like a master key.

[A]

It just feels eerier that it's a physical key.

[B]

I think so, too. So around 4pm, soptic Mary soptic returned with fresh towels. The door was still unlocked, the room was still dark. And he was back in the room and he was lying across the bed fully dressed in the dark.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

And he's like, oh, yeah, go ahead, bed.

[A]

And she's probably like, you want me to clean up?

[B]

Or maybe she'd dismiss me, honestly. So she sees him lying across the bed fully dressed, and as she's kind of like dropping the towels off from the light in the hallway, she sees a note on the desk that reads, dawn, comma, I will be back in 15 minutes period. Wait. So the next morning, Thursday, January 3rd, Mary Soptic went to clean 1046, the room. 1046. At around 10:36am the door this time was locked. And so she interpreted that as someone had locked it externally and left. But she opened with her key and found Owen inside, sitting again in the dark.

[A]

It's a vampire, this guy.

[B]

It's creepy. While she was there, the phone rang, and she overheard Owen say, no, Don, I don't want to eat. I am not hungry. I just had breakfast. And then he said again, no, I'm not hungry.

[A]

And the guy is Don, which means. Or the guy that he's talking to is Don, which means presumably, yeah, okay.

[B]

So he's on the phone saying, yeah, Don.

[A]

I'm only saying because the. The note that said Don. Wait, the guy that were the overcoat guy with the comb, he's the one who wrote that note?

[B]

Yes, right.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

It, presumably, yeah, it looks like he wrote the note. This time, she's in there. He's on the phone with this dawn person and saying, no, I'm not hungry, and insisting on it. Still holding the phone, Owen then started to ask Mary about her job in the hotel, like whether she was responsible for the entire floor, whether the hotel had any residents besides. Just guess. He complained again about the cost of the mule box, nightly rates. And then she kind of went about her business just thinking, this guy's just a little weird, I guess. Later that same day, around 4pm Mary Soptic returned again with towels and heard two men talking inside the room. So this time, there are two men inside the room.

[A]

Presumably Don.

[B]

Presumably Don. We don't know. There was a man with a rough voice, not Owen. And when she knocked, this voice said, who is it? And she said, oh, it's housekeeping. I'm bringing the towels. And this room had no towels left. She knew there were no clean towels, so she was bringing them. This voice responded, we don't need any. So she was basically dismissed. That evening, January 3rd, a separate guest checked into room 1048, which was right next door, and later told police she heard loud talking and cursing that night that was keeping her awake. And it sounded like both men and women in the room.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

However, there was also a boisterous party reported in 1055, which was a couple doors away. So, yeah, complicates like this, the witness sighting, because it's like, maybe it was. Maybe you just heard the party during the graveyard shift that night. Elevator operator Charles Blocker told police he had recognized a commercial woman. Okay, that.

[A]

What does that mean? A sex worker?

[B]

Okay, it does. And you, like, nailed it. Because I feel like nobody really knew what it meant, like, when they were describing it, But I don't know that. That. That is the vibe that I got when I. When I researched, like, his original statement. He called her a commercial woman. He said that he. She frequented the hotel with different men, and he recognized her, he knew her, and he took her to the 10th floor because she has to go to room 1026. He drops her off. She comes back to the elevator and says, huh, The. The man I was looking to see is not in his room. Maybe he was in a different room.

[A]

And that was 1026. But this guy's in 1046, right?

[B]

Correct. So she left, but. So it's basically like, could she have over misunderstood the number and out of the wrong room? Was she looking for him? We don't know. Locker said the same woman later returned with a man and went to the ninth floor. And later, in the early morning hours, both she and that man came back down and left the hotel Separately. Late that night, Robert Lane, a Kansas City water department employee, reported an encounter on 13th Street. He saw a man running in the cold, wearing trousers, shoes, and just an undershirt, shirt. He initially. This man initially thought that Robert Lane was a taxi cab. So he kind of, like, ran over. And when he realized it wasn't a cab, he asked for help getting one. And the guy was like, listen, I don't know, man. And this mystery guy with, like, not enough clothes on who's running through the street, he says, I'll kill that expletive tomorrow. So Robert Lane is looking at this guy and he is beat up. He has a deep scratch on his arm. It looked almost like he's trying to hold some blood in on his body. And Robert Lane was like, all right, let me just drive you where you need to go. So he drives this man to 12th and Troost, where the man jumps out, runs to an actual taxi, opens the driver door because the driver's not in the taxi, and starts honking, laying on the horn. Until the cabbie comes of a restaurant and is like, what the hell, dude?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Like, that's how. I guess desperate this man was to get A ride. To get a ride. He already had a ride. Whatever. He was going. Yeah, I'm unclear as to, like, where he was going. I'm not really sure. So after.

[A]

Well, also, did he say specifically 12th and trust. Do you we know that?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because my thought is it sounds like. I don't. I don't know anything, but it sounds like he knew a cabbie who would be there. Because why else would he say 12th and truce and then conveniently there is a cab there that he also felt comfortable enough to get into and lay the horn on knowing this guy was in the restaurant.

[B]

Interesting. That could be. Although I. Although I feel like he just got dropped off there because that's where this guy, who is not a cab was kind of going. Like he just took him and dropped him off closer to town, I think. And then the guy saw real cabin was like, oh, there's a cab. Let me call it. It seemed like that's the vibe I got. I don't think he told him where he was going. I think he just said, like, I need a cab. I need a cab. I need help getting a cab.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So the guy, like dropped him off closer to where some cabs would be. Some unsuspecting cabbie who's just trying to enjoy his fried eggs or whatever.

[A]

Sorry, remind me who Robert Lane is.

[B]

Oh, so Robert Lane is just the. The local water employee who was just trying to get home or whatever, and.

[A]

He was just trying.

[B]

Running through it. Correct.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And he drops this random scratched up dude who's angry, he's pissed off at 12 and tourist, and this guy goes.

[A]

Into cab and Are we assuming that this is Owen or Don?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think so. I think we're assuming it could be Owen.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Potentially. Or Don, I guess. So. Friday morning, January 4th. Hotel staff notices that room 1046's phone had been off the the hook for several hours, triggering like a quick check because they can't call up. Obviously the phone is off the hook. Speaking of landlines. And so they send up the bellboy, Randolph Probst, who was the one who had initially checked him in. So Randolph Probst goes up, the door's locked with a do not disturb sign on the knob. And after repeated knocking, a voice inside tells him, come in and turn on the lights. But the door, nobody opened the door, and it was locked. So he's like, well, I'm not gonna. I'm just gonna leave you alone. Now he's thinking, well, this guy's clearly drunk. So he yells I don't need to come in. Just put the phone on the hook and goes back down to the desk. They go down and it's still off the hook. They give it some time. 7:10am Another bellboy is sent up again. They're thinking, this guy's drunk. They just get another response like, all right, I will. And they leave. 8:30am the phone is still off the fucking hook.

[A]

He's clearly incapacitated or tied up or something.

[B]

And something.

[A]

I think he's. So far, I'm guessing something embarrassing is in there. Like, he's like a. He can't. He's tied up for some reason and can't. But then he's afraid to ask for help for some reason also.

[B]

But then why would he say, turn on the lights? Wouldn't you be like, don't turn on the lights?

[A]

That's a good question. Because I also. My first. I was like, what if he killed somebody? And he was like, okay, I will. And he's like, well, wouldn't you just. Then hang up the phone and just shut them up?

[B]

And, yeah, the phone off the hook is the weird part too, because it's like, why is that not getting rectified?

[A]

Why can't you get to the phone? Because if.

[B]

Yeah, if.

[A]

If you're trying to cover something up, you would just do it to keep them at bay. So why can't you get to the phone? But then also, whatever you're doing that you can't get to the phone. If it's shady at all, why are you telling them to come turn the lights on?

[B]

You were right about the incapacitated bit. Let's just put it that way.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. So you're on the right track with that because at 8:30am the phone is still off the hook. It's been off for hours. A different bellboy, Harold pike, goes up. He uses a key to finally enter the room. It's dark. He sees a guest lying naked on the bed. Bed. Breathing heavily. And he sees, like, almost a shadow under this man. Like a dark shadow under this man that he just assumes his shadow. He reset the phone because it had been knocked to the floor. And he left still assuming this guy's just drunk. So that was around 8:30. Now, fast forward two hours. Around 10:30, the phone is again off the hook.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Remember, he put it on the hook.

[A]

So I think. Is he trying to, like, if he. If he's like, his head's bust, maybe he's trying to, like, reach for the phone to call for help. And the phone gets knocked off, and they can't grab it from the floor anymore.

[B]

That's exactly what I thought. Okay, so this time the original guy probes, returns, and this time he opens the door, and instead of seeing Owen on the floor.

[A]

Or.

[B]

Sorry, instead of seeing Owen on the bed, he sees this man on his knees and elbows, only 5ft from the hotel door. Door. He is on his knees, and he's holding his head in his hands, and there is blood everywhere. Everywhere.

[A]

Also, a part of me is like, if he was incapacitated. Incapacitated and in pain when people were calling him or calling through the door, why didn't he just say help? Yeah, I mean, like, if he's trying to grab the. If we think you're right, he's trying to grab the phone to call for help. Why didn't he just say help originally? Unless he's, like, so up and his head was hit.

[B]

Right. Unless he has.

[A]

Wasn't thinking.

[B]

Such a brain injury. He doesn't understand, like, how much danger he's in. Right. But also, like, yeah, you'd think your. Your. Your survival instinct would just be like, help, you know?

[A]

Yeah. And also turn the lights on. It's like, so did you want someone to see that? Is that your way of asking for help or. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, maybe you're, like, so out of it, you don't realize, like, how dire the situation is.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

So he sees this man. There is blood everywhere. It's on the ceilings. It's on the walls. It's on. It's on everything.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So the bellboy runs for help, and when he returns with the assistant manager, they could only open the door a few inches because he was that close, slumped over to the door. A doctor arrives with hotel staff and police. And in the doctor's statement, as summarized by Kansas City Magazine, the victim was found in or partly near the bathtub. So almost like as if he was kind of halfway out of the bathroom. He also had clothesline tied around his neck.

[A]

Oof.

[B]

He had clothesline tied around his ankles and wrists. He had been stabbed in the chest multiple times.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

He had at least three blows to the head. And when medical findings were finally delivered, they noted that he also had a punctured lung, a fractured skull. And based on the wounds, it was estimated that the wounds. The injuries had occurred roughly six to seven hours before discovery. So, essentially, yes, like what you were saying, he was clearly incapacitated, injured during this period, which makes it extra horrible to Think that they were stopping by and had no clue.

[A]

Which also makes me wonder, like, why wasn't he asking for help? He was able to speak enough to say I will, or okay. He couldn't just say help.

[B]

Well, one thing that is a little weird is that when they got him, he was shockingly. They got him to the hospital, he was shockingly still alive. Insane, barely, but he was still alive. And he was able to say a few final words before passing away. And the last thing he said, they said, who else was in the room with you? Who did this? Who else was here? And he said, no one. I hit my head on the bathtub.

[A]

Oh, he's. He was in danger of something.

[B]

Something's up. Something's up.

[A]

Or he's really. He hit his head so hard that he didn't even know he. Where he was. That's crazy.

[B]

But then how do you get tied up?

[A]

Yep. No, I'm saying, like, he must have hit his head so hard that he's just coming up with a story because he doesn't even know what the story was.

[B]

So insistent. It was almost like he didn't want to tattle on whoever that was. And I don't know if that's like. Because he's scared of them, because he cares about them, because they threatened him, because he.

[A]

I think he first. I mean, if they did that to him for whatever his last crime was, imagine, like, ratting them out. Now, like, of course you're gonna say, oh, I just hit my head dead.

[B]

No way you're gonna be like, that just tried to kill me and I'm about to die, and I want him to.

[A]

I wonder if he knew he was about to die.

[B]

I mean, they found him on the ground with stab wounds to the chest. I don't know. But yeah, he said. He said, nobody hurt me. I just accidentally fell. And unfortunately, that was kind of the last thing he said. He slipped into a coma, died the next morning, Saturday, January 5, 1935. Just really disturbing the room. When they took a closer look at the actual room, it appeared completely bare, like, like scrubbed of basics. There was no clothing. There were no personal belongings. The only remaining items in the room was a torn necktie label, a hairpin, an unsmoked cigarette, and a glass that had mysterious four fingerprints from a mystery person. There was no knife or obvious weapon, like, for him to. Yeah, I'm just thinking, like, for him to say. Cuz at first I thought, well, you could tie yourself up if you were doing some sort of, like, if you were. You Know, doing something sexual and you didn't want people to know. But then the stabbing in the chest is like, never mind. Right. Like that it was tying up is one thing, but definitely not his doing. No. So they ruled out suicide because there was no knife, no obvious weapon that he could have harmed himself with. As for the fingerprints, they are reported to be a woman's fingerprints, but there really is no way to determine that because my first thought was, how on earth would you. Would you even know that? And then I looked it up, and you can't, like, determine. You can't reliably determine someone's sex based on a fingerprint. They would just kind of look at it and say, like, oh, based on how small it is and the ridges or whatever ridge detail, it's a woman's print. But it's kind of like, not. It's not. Let's say it's not admissible in court. Right. Like, it's not really for sure. You want to hear something gross? Oh, I don't want to know about this.

[A]

I want to know every second of my life. A new gross fact, please.

[B]

You do. You would. Okay, here's the thing. Traditional bed sheets can hold more bacteria than a toilet seat. And I don't doubt that because I have pets all over my bed bed. I have me forgetting to change the sheets. There's just a lot of factors that weigh in here.

[A]

I go to the dog park every single day, and then Hank immediately jumps into my bed and goes, nap time.

[B]

So I hate that feeling when you're like, it's too late. It's too late.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Sure.

[B]

With that woman. We don't know. In March 1935, the Journal Post announced that the unidentified man would be buried in a potter's field. But shortly after that was announced publicly, the funeral home received an anonymous call call and the caller said, I would like you to please delay the burial because I'm sending the money for a proper funeral.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

They asked who this was, wouldn't say hung up. But lo and behold, March 23rd, a special delivery envelope came containing cash wrapped in a newspaper, enough to pay burial expenses. And they buried the body at Memorial Park Cemetery in Kansas City.

[A]

And we're thinking this was maybe that dawn guy.

[B]

Guy, perhaps.

[A]

Which is interesting because I also think of him as the killer. In which case, like, what is right. Why would you do that unless you felt guilty or. I don't know. I don't.

[B]

Because then you think maybe it was a lovers quarrel. That's my gut.

[A]

Oh, interesting. Okay.

[B]

Why else would you pay for someone's funeral that you harmed? Right. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you're abusive or whatever.

[A]

That's a good point. I immediately went to, like, the mob, and he ended up being the wrong guy. Killed. And now the mob is, like, paying for the funeral. I don't fucking know.

[B]

I know, but they. Yeah, it could be. But, like, they would just want you to dispose of it, right? Like, I don't think they would spend the money on it.

[A]

I don't know. Making it so much more complicated in my head.

[B]

I mean, some people think it is, like, mob just because of how strange it is and how secretive.

[A]

Yeah. But no, I think that's also really not a bad call. A lover Squirrel.

[B]

I wonder. Yeah. And then I also thought, like, what if it's a parent or someone who is estranged and, like. Yeah. Was disappointed by life choices or, like, if he was gay or something like that. Maybe they just don't want to associate, but they still feel like they should get a burial. I don't know. I mean, that's just my kind of random take. But there was also another anonymous incident that occurred where nobody came to the. There wasn't really anyone at the funeral because this was. Was kind of a unknown person. But that day, they did receive a bouquet at the funeral home. It was 13 roses, and attached was a card that read, love forever, Louise.

[A]

Hmm. Louise.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

Hmm.

[B]

And they were purchased from the Rock Flower Company. If that's. Oh, that's interesting to anyone. Now we get it.

[A]

Interesting. Okay, so. So I wonder if Louise was, like, the wife he was cheating on. Or, like, was Louise, like, the guy's nickname in public? Like, oh, this is like, they had nicknames for each other in public so that way they wouldn't have to out each other.

[B]

Was it. Was dawn actually a nickname for a woman that he was seeing? Maybe. And that was, like, the nickname, you know? I don't know. I don't know. Because he kept saying, like, no, Don, I'm not hungry. Like, just.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The dawn thing always struck me as odd, but. And then I was like, dawn, Louise, is there any connection? I can't think of One. So Kansas City magazine adds another chilling detail from a Kansas City police memo, which is that when asked why the original donor was paying for the funeral, and, like, he wouldn't say who he was, but he said, I will pay for the funeral. Reportedly, he responded that this guy, mystery man Roland T. Owen, quote unquote, had not played the game fair. And cheaters usually get what's coming to them. Mob again, See, but cheaters cheating?

[A]

That's true.

[B]

That's more like. I feel like maybe interpersonal, maybe it's both.

[A]

Maybe he was cheating on somebody and they were connected to the mob, but the mob detect, like, was defending the person he was cheating on.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. The person's partner found out and killed him because they were so pissed. I don't know. Cliche.

[A]

I mean, that makes the most sense. Yeah, I'm just trying to come up with anything.

[B]

You want the mob to be involved?

[A]

I want the mob involved.

[B]

I mean, Kansas City. Yeah, it's not a. It's not a terrible idea. Also, some of it's so creepy. Like the laying in the dark and the. The notes and the leaving the door open. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, but that also could have just been, like, being depressed. Like, it could have just been, like, I can't believe they're coming to get me. I'm so scared. Maybe I just, like, close my eyes and hope this is all fake. I don't know.

[B]

What's the note then? Like, who's that for? Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

I don't fucking know this one. I gotta be honest. I. I've done it again. Just like Brad Corb. I will not be solving this.

[B]

I've done it again. I've given up on solving this one. So finally, in 1936, after the case was republicized, he'd already been buried. A woman named Ruby Ogletree of Birmingham, Alabama, recognized the man in the newspaper, this picture of him as her missing son.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

His name was Artemis Ogletree. What a name.

[A]

I mean, Maddie Moss or whatever it was.

[B]

Yeah, right. I know. Artemis Ogletree is wild, dude. So Ruby explained the head scar that he had as the result of a childhood grease burn, which matched the distinctive mark seen in the case photos and descriptions. And she also revealed that he was only 17.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah. Not 20 to 35.

[A]

Whatever he was running from, that stress was eating him alive. If he looked in like he was in his 20s or 30s.

[B]

Yeah. And some people say 19. Some. One source said 19. But the M.O. the more that the local newspapers and that kind of thing said 17.

[A]

Although I actually, I take back what I said. Have you seen what 17 year olds looked like in the 30s? They looked like grown ass men.

[B]

Right. Cuz they. Yeah, yeah. I feel like people grew up quicker back then visually especially.

[A]

But maybe, I don't know, I don't know if back then if you saw someone who looked 30, you're like, oh, that's clearly a 17 year old. Like maybe they were still spot on that he looked old for his age. I have no idea.

[B]

Well, and he was also wearing. And like who would expect a, a man in a dark overcoat at the hotel to be 17? Like they probably just assumed based on how he presented, you know, that he was also not right. But it is like a 17 year old to not pack clothes that is like a toothbrush, but pack toothpaste. It's also like me, but I sometimes operate like a 17 year old.

[A]

So that's a good point. I. Yeah.

[B]

So it gets even spookier because she recognizes Artemis immediately and she is able to corroborate the scar. She reveals he's only 17. After Artemis had left Birmingham, Alabama, which is where he was from, his mother had actually continued to receive letters from him sporadically. He wanted to travel the world. He left with one of his friends and just said he wanted to go see California. And they left. And he would write, he would write pretty regularly. And at first, if there were gaps in the correspondence, she wasn't like super alarmed because back then you just had kind of had to deal with spotty, spotty communication.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But about a year into his travels, he suddenly stopped writing. And that was until the spring of 1935, when Ruby received three letters signed with Artemis's name. The letters were sent from different cities, including Chicago and New York. And each letter described Artemis as traveling, recovering from illness and moving forward with his life. But Ruby immediately noticed that the letters were typed rather than handwritten. And every letter she had received thus far from Artemis had been handwritten. And to her knowledge, he had not learned how to type. So there's no reason he should be typing her letters. Furthermore, the wording and slang did not sound like her son, and the explanations felt unusually detailed for the way he wrote. Kansas City magazine quotes the typed letters as using some outlandish slang, including I got poisoned on something I ate in some dump, and even that in that line specifically, she said he would never say something like that. I don't really understand why it sounds so different, why it's typed. Despite these concerns, Ruby just assumed, like, okay, he's just adapting to life on the road. He's young, he's changing. Who knows? Several months later, she comes across this article, right? That leads her to discover her son had been killed. Only after identifying that Artemis was the one in the newspaper who'd been buried and killed did she realize. Did she re examine these letters she had received and realized they were all sent after his death.

[A]

Yeah, well, could see that coming. That's okay.

[B]

Ruby then naturally concluded that someone else had written the letters intentionally to make her believe her son was still alive. There was never an author and obviously knew him well enough to be able to say, like, oh, I'm just like adventuring, like, knew the situation enough to try and pretend to be him. No definitive author of the letters was ever identified. We just don't know. It's just another dead end. That August, she also received something strange, but this time it was a phone call. It was a long distance call from Memphis from someone who identified himself as Godfrey Jordan, claiming to have met Artemis in Cairo, Egypt, where Artemis. I know, it's so batshit. Where Artemis supposedly saved him. This Godfrey Jordan from a band of thugs, quote unquote. She was on the phone with this guy for 45 minutes and found it unsettling, but she didn't really understand what was going on here. Very, very weird.

[A]

Did this guy, like, was he was written about in the newspaper, Owen, when he. Or Artemis when he died? Because I feel like anyone, it's almost like, like the equivalent of people now on Facebook seeing someone died and now like heckling their parents or something and could just.

[B]

Just want to like be part of the story or like, like that teenage girl who called and pretended to be the missing G. Yeah. So, yeah, could just be like a prank call, but just also really strange, you know, and like getting her phone number and stuff. It just seems like a lot of work, but strange. So Kansas City magazine adds that Ruby actually had a specific person in mind that she thought was behind this. She suspected that this person was Joe Simpson, the boy her son had originally left home with to travel.

[A]

And he was like, trying to cover up his tracks. Or that.

[B]

Yeah, okay. She believed he might have been the caller trying to sort of red herring her in a way. Probably wrote the letters she thought. Thought Ruby wrote that when she confronted Simpson on December 28th of 1939, she became, quote, reasonably convinced that he was the Memphis collar. And she described him turning red, dropping his eyes and appearing nervous when she said she would recognize the Voice.

[A]

Well, there you have it.

[B]

Ruby also reported that Simpson laughed while calling it the perfect crime and said police would never get the ones who killed him, according to her letter to detectives. But then I'm like, wait. So he's either really shy about talking about this and terrified, and then he gets. Starts laughing and says it's the perfect crime. I don't know, I just. The vibes are off. I'm like, I don't know if maybe she's kind of exaggerating this event. I'm not sure. I don't want to accuse her of that, but it's just a strange, it's.

[A]

It's strange.

[B]

It's strange to report that he kind of did two opposite things in one. I mean, maybe, maybe.

[A]

So.

[B]

Another last bit here that's a little bit strange. The early 2000s, there's this guy named Dr. John Horner who was very involved in telling the story and researching the story and giving it kind of a written account. He reports receiving a call in the early 2000s from someone saying, hey, I'm itemizing this elderly person's belongings and I found this box of clippings and information about the case. And it looks, looks odd and suspicious and even said there was an item in the box that had been mentioned as part of this case. Oh, and of course Dr. Horner is like, okay, like me, bring it on. Who are you? What's going on? They kind of said, never mind, hung up. Refused to engage. As far as we know. Maybe, maybe he and this guy had a longer chat, but now it's been 20 some years, so it feels like we didn't get answers from that either because it's kind of another dead. And that's the, that's the case. It's like, oh, shit. It's a little too open ended to kind of figure out, I think, what do you solve?

[A]

What do you feel like happened? You still think lovers quarrel?

[B]

No, I kind of think that maybe he and his friend. I mean this is totally out of the noggin off the dome here, people. I'm not making any allegations here, but my, my theory is sort of like he went out into the world with his friend, his best friend, whatever. Maybe he slept with that man's girlfriend. And maybe this friend was so pissed off that he. Maybe they were gonna meet. Maybe he and the girl were gonna meet at the hotel and then the guy found out, came instead and killed him. I don't know. Yeah, or maybe they left because they, they were together. Maybe they had a relationship. Who Knows maybe he's the one who also paid for the funeral. It's just odd. And. And why is he going by Dawn?

[A]

I. I.

[B]

And why is Owen going by Roland T. Owen and the other names that he gave in the other hotel? I don't know. It's just so strange.

[A]

Feel like it's the mob or I feel like it's someone they're sleeping with and they change their name so they could get away with.

[B]

That's what I. Yeah, that's something I got where it's like, no, blank. I'm not hungry. And like, you're kind of awkwardly, like, trying to get away between the lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't know.

[A]

Interesting. Do we know what the item was in the box? That.

[B]

No, that is the one thing that, like, oh, it's so frustrating. Like, that was kind of the kicker of that call. And then they never, never.

[A]

I don't even know what that would do for my information, but I'm mad. I don't know what it is.

[B]

I know. Same in my mind.

[A]

That would solve it all, but it probably wouldn't.

[B]

Yeah. The caller apparently refused to say what the item was and nothing further was resolved publicly. The person just hung up, didn't bring the stuff, and I guess got cold feet. It was probably, like, a parent or somebody they were related to and didn't want to go there. I don't know.

[A]

Know. Is there, like, an overwhelming theory online about what happened or. Nothing, Just kind of.

[B]

Not really. I mean, it's kind of. I think it's mostly just discussed because of how bizarre it is and how clearly it is not suicide. Like, I know we discussed the other case recently, but in the hotel room where it was, like, staged as a suicide, but this one is not even possible because there was no weapon. So it's sort of like we know someone else was involved.

[A]

Maybe the item was the knife.

[B]

Oh. Oh. And they just have. In that box. Holy. I mean, whatever they hit him over the head with, maybe, or.

[A]

I mean, it's got to be something that they wouldn't want to release to the public.

[B]

Maybe his. His missing items. Like, he had a necktie or a necktie tag and something else in there. That. Or. No, no, sorry. Not the missing item. The. Not the ones left behind. The missing ones. So maybe like his toothpaste or his hairbrush or. Yeah, whatever they stole or took. It's just weird. And then, like, all the. It sounds like an affair to me, but he's also 17 or 18 or 19, even at that age. Like, I mean, I guess like you're having an affair, but like, you must have pissed someone off. You're right. Like maybe a pissed off a mobster maybe pissed off his friend, maybe pissed off off his fiance, maybe using somebody said maybe he was. I think there was some clue somewhere that he could have been engaged and maybe like he cheated on his. His fiance. Who knows? Who knows?

[A]

Could it be that he was out with his friends, hooked up with a girl and then found out that she was married and then that guy to the mob maybe.

[B]

And then. Yeah. I mean, really. Yeah, it could be.

[A]

Because then that would explain why we really don't know who it would have been. It would have been a random. Random guy happens to be the husband of a woman he was sleeping with. That would explain maybe why the woman secretly sent flowers to the funeral. Because maybe she had feelings for him but couldn't tell her husband.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It's not a. It's not a bad idea.

[A]

I think he found a woman along the way and she was married.

[B]

That's what it feels like.

[A]

That's my theory.

[B]

Whether it's the. But then all the like follow up phone calls are weird. You know, I just feel like the friend knew something if. If he's acting so shady. Yeah, but that's also just like she was pretty hell bent on that theory. So, you know, there's.

[A]

I feel like maybe, maybe the friend knows that something was up but also doesn't really know all the information because like, maybe this guy was found this woman who was in a relationship and then knew he was in trouble. That like the husband might find out and was trying to keep his friend at bay and was like, no, I'm not hungry. Don't come here. And then the other note being like, wait a minute. Because he knows like this bad guy might be looking for him and doesn't want to get his friend implicated.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it could be. Could be like.

[A]

And then that random grown man being like, I'm gonna kill him tomorrow. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That'S what I think.

[B]

Yeah, that guy too, that running guy running around with no shirt on. Scream like all beat up saying, I'm gonna kill him. Mm. I feel like has to be part of it.

[A]

That's what I'm putting in. So if we ever find out.

[B]

Love triangle or the infidelity. I do too. I agree.

[A]

Okay. Maybe we solved.

[B]

Alrighty. Hey. We solved it. Congratulations.

[A]

Thank you, everyone. I'm so glad you got to see all 40 minutes of. Oh, my God, this part. That was very silly. That's okay. Neither of us notice. It's not. You didn't do anything that I didn't do. It's very funny that we're still. Still figuring it out, that's all.

[B]

The Yappy Hour wasn't on video then. Oh, well, I just talked about the Wolper news. It doesn't really need video, I guess.

[A]

And apparently we've discussed it before, so.

[B]

I guess, like, yeah, go back to episode three. Whatever.

[A]

Yeah, go watch the episode where we did talk about it on video. Okay, well, see you next week, everyone. Oh, my God. Everything just fell in my lap. And it's a whole stack of papers. So cool.

[B]

Hopefully we see you and you see. See us.

[A]

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