E474 Amelia Bedelia Math and Iced Tea Pranks

Summary

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And That's Why We Drink — Episode 474 “Amelia Bedelia Math and Iced Tea Pranks”

Date: March 15, 2026
Hosts: Christine Schiefer & Em Schulz

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Episode Overview

This episode brings the familiar blend of chilling paranormal tales, horrific true crime, and delightfully personal tangents. Em shares a deep dive into the haunted Goldfield Hotel in Nevada, a Gold Rush ghost town that’s become a paranormal hotspot—especially after its starring role in the original Ghost Adventures documentary. Christine recounts the grim story of serial killer Robert Lee Yates, the “Grocery Bag Killer,” whose spree terrorized Spokane, WA for decades. Alongside the main stories, the hosts riff on everything from iced tea and microblading to Em’s eclectic roster of adult classes and adventures in self-improvement.

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Opening Banter & Personal Updates

• Iced Tea & Pranks (01:10)
  • Em declares with mock seriousness, “Don’t cancel me, but I hate ice.”
  • Both riff on their drinks of choice—Em’s tea (not their preferred “straw blum”), Christine’s water (with a rat sticker).
  • Brief prank: Em pretends to have two identical teas, keeping Christine guessing.
  • Em admits their "hyperfixation" on the tea is waning: "I'm experiencing diminishing returns" (12:55).
• Beauty Updates: Christine’s Microbladed Brows (03:45)
  • Christine shares her experience getting her eyebrows microbladed by Honor at Brow OTR in Cincinnati—painful, but results are confidence-boosting.
  • Fun synchronicity: Christine discovers Honor’s sister runs a kids’ YouTube channel, Pip and Pals, which Leona loves (07:08).
• Body Anxieties & Flipping the Camera (09:04)
  • Both discuss insecurities about how their faces look on camera (“my eyebrows would always go wonk ... is that how everyone sees me?”).
  • Digression into “brow blindness,” eye asymmetries, and the perils of front-facing cameras.

Notable Quotes

• Christine: “This is my year of trying to feel like me again. I’m hibernating a little, but I just want to feel comfortable in my body, you know?” (05:51)
• Em: “If I had to change one thing about my face, it would be like my eyes don't look ... as I know everyone's with a looking at my face right now is probably looking at my eyes, but to me, they look so different.” (10:16)

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Life Lately: Em’s Extracurricular Explosion

(15:13–18:40)

• Em recounts their attempt to take a class nearly every day: CPR, ASL, guitar, line-dancing, dodgeball, even math workbooks “for fun” (13:09).
• “It’s literally fourth-grade math, but it’s no different than sudoku to me.”
• Favorite: immersive ASL class taught by a Deaf instructor.
• Social experiment: Em’s quest to not just leave the house, but build community through these activities—admitting it’s getting overwhelming as the friend group grows.
• Christine marvels at the friend-making; Em jokes that their “two truths and a lie” game has endless new material.

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Paranormal Story: The Goldfield Hotel (Main Story 1)

(From 23:04)

Background & Setting:

• Goldfield, NV boomed to 30,000 people in five years after gold discovery in 1902.
• The Goldfield Hotel, built by George Holsworth, was “one of the most luxurious hotels west of the Mississippi” — crystal chandeliers, leather, gold-leaf, even a champagne waterfall at its opening (28:04, 30:06).
• Eventually sold to George Wingfield, a “governor-level” tycoon with deep, shady gold, bank, and brothel connections.

Infamous Legend: Elizabeth and Room 109

• Wingfield allegedly imprisoned and chained his pregnant mistress, Elizabeth, to a radiator in Room 109, only keeping her alive until she gave birth—then murdered both her and the baby, disposing of them in the mineshaft (36:30–37:23).
  • “Once she gave birth, Wingfield allegedly had her strangled and then brought down through those tunnels to the mines and threw her down an abandoned shaft along with the baby.” (37:06)
• Christine questions the logic: “Why go to all the trouble, why not just ... kill her outright?” Em agrees, noting even historians think the timeline is weird (37:39–38:01).

Debates About Truth

• The veracity of the Elizabeth story is debated—some theorize it started as ‘80s hotel-owner hype, but townsfolk treat it as real (38:12).
• Still, it’s a fixture in local lore and TV ghost-hunting shows.

Boom to Bust: Hotel to Ghost Town

• After quick prosperity, the mines dried up. By 1920, Goldfield’s population had dropped to 1,500; eventually the town became a semi-abandoned shell (39:42).
• The Goldfield Hotel fell into haunted disrepair, featured on National Register of Historic Places, and failed renovation attempts abound.
• Paranormal tourism revives interest: In 2004, Zach Baggins films the original Ghost Adventures documentary here, cementing its place in ghost hunter culture (42:47).

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Reported Hauntings & Paranormal Evidence

• Elizabeth’s Room 109:
  • Crying woman, baby’s cries in the mines, cold air, blurry photos, chain sounds like a radiator—residual energy.
  • Apparition in a white dress; poltergeist activity attributed to prankster child ghosts.
• George Wingfield’s Spirit:
  • Cigar smoke, “piles of hot ashes on the floor”—as if just left by a smoking ghost (45:33).
• The Stabber:
  • Knife-wielding ghost in the dining hall—runs at people, vanishes just before contact.
  • Christine: “Really? You don’t think he’s just a serial killer? Okay, sure.” (47:31)
• Non-Human Entity
  • In the basement, reportedly scares child ghosts; described as “non-human” rather than demonic, but described as menacing (55:16, 59:03).
• Tragic First:
  • In 2017, a man died by suicide at the hotel, leaving a note stating he wanted to be the hotel’s next ghost. Hosts are floored: “Have we ever had a hotel where somebody planned to be a ghost there? I think that’s a first.” (51:19)

Famous Investigations

• TAPS (Ghost Hunters) captured shadow figures, chilling EVPs: “get out,” and “where did the girls go?” (52:18)
• YouTube’s Ghost Club Paranormal documented: footsteps, mimicked voices, direct replies from a girl ghost “Olivia”—and chilling warnings from a “non-human” voice: “I scare people. Run now.” (55:16, 56:09)
• Christine notes parallels with the infamous Sally House voice-mimicking weirdness (56:46).

Would They Visit?

• Both hosts are unsettled by the notion of the “non-human” entity.
  • Christine: “I just don’t like non-human”
  • Em: “...the fact that even the owners are scared to say demonic … gives me don’t ask, don’t tell vibes.” (59:03–59:16)

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True Crime Story: Robert Lee Yates, The Grocery Bag Killer (65:02)

Background

• Yates, born 1952, Spokane, WA. Traumatized by grandmother killing grandfather with an axe.
• Early trauma and a history of being sexually assaulted at age 6.

Double Homicide & Army Years

• 1975: At 23, murders two students in the woods in “an inexplicable rage,” shooting them in the head (71:10).
• 18 years as an Army helicopter pilot; everywhere he’s stationed, murders of sex workers rise.

Murders in Spokane

• Returns to Spokane in 1996; by then, at least 15 murdered, likely more.
• Father of five. Children later recount disturbing memories—such as unexplained blood in the minivan (“dog blood,” he claimed) (75:58).
• Befriends sex workers on Spokane’s “Track,” discusses the killer with future victims.

Method & Nickname

• Lured women into white Corvette, engages their trust, then shoots them point-blank and bags their heads with grocery bags—not to hurt, but to keep his car clean (83:10).
  • “He would tie a plastic grocery bag over the woman’s head. … Not for sadistic reasons … just to keep his Corvette clean.” —Christine (83:07)

Close Calls, Sloppy Mistakes

• 1998: Victim Christine Smith asks if he’s “the psycho killer.” She’s shot (but thinks stabbed), survives, only to discover bullet fragments in her head two years later (88:31).
• Police pursue a “white Corvette” lead, but an officer misrecords it as “Camaro,” and Yates slips away (86:39).
• Ultimately caught when a fingerprint on a grocery bag is traced to him, and he’s tripped up by correcting police about his car:
  • “It’s not a Camaro, it’s a Corvette.” (91:16)
  • Em’s (original) aside: “Sometimes the best thing you can do for yourself is just shut the fuck up.” (91:50)

Arrest, Confession & Trial

• Linked forensically to multiple murders by DNA, fibers, and a pearl button from a victim’s sweater (92:40).
• Leads police to a victim’s body buried outside his own bedroom window (94:07).
• 2000: Pleads guilty in exchange for avoiding the death penalty; sentenced to 408 years.
• 2002: Convicted for two more murders, initially re-sentenced to death, but Washington abolishes the death penalty in 2023.
• Attempts to appeal based on “paraphilic disorder (necrophilia)” as a mitigating condition—unsuccessful (95:23).
• Irony: Now imprisoned at the same penitentiary where he once worked as a guard.

Notable Quotes

• “He did not keep things clean—is that why?”
  “Yes … just to keep his Corvette clean.” (83:10)
• “By 1999, almost three decades had passed since Yates’s first known murder. He’s been doing this for three decades without getting caught…” (89:48)

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Memorable Tangents & Humor

• Em’s Math Workbook Hobby
  • “I just bought that for fun … it’s literally fourth grade math.”
  • Christine: “What are you, a literal fifth grader? Your extracurriculars are off the charts!” (15:53)
• Best Friend-Making Strategy:
  • “I’m forcing all these friends to also do the classes with me. So I can kill two birds with one stone.” —Em (17:30)
• Ghosts & Time Travel
  • “As much as I want to be a time traveler, I really have to reconcile with the fact that most places would be uncomfortable heat wise.” —Em (26:20)

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Running Jokes, Callbacks & Miscellaneous

• Christine’s accidental misstatement (Gold Rush in 1949, not 1849)—quickly corrected.
• “And That’s Why I Drink” becomes “And that’s why I have so many stories for two truths and a lie and at my weekly trivia.” —Em (19:49)
• Christine’s commentary on hard-to-translate paranormal sources:
  • “There are some places I want to cover things, and every source is … a totally different language ... The translation is too choppy.” (60:37)
• Em on getting surprisingly “shockingly good” at ASL: “I didn’t realize how quickly I would start saying full sentences …” (61:28)
• Final tangent: British Bake Off contestant’s “Oh my heavens!” after a thrown axe nearly hits his head (101:13), tying in with Em’s adult hobby phase.

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Episode Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | |----------------------------------------------|-----------------| | Iced Tea Pranks / Drinks | 01:10–03:14 | | Christine’s Microblading / Pip & Pals Story | 03:45–07:55 | | Confidence & Anxiety on Camera | 09:04–12:01 | | Em’s Class Schedule & Social Goals | 13:09–19:23 | | Paranormal Story: Goldfield Hotel | 23:04–59:41 | | True Crime: Robert Lee Yates | 65:02–98:28 | | Puppy Corner Wrap-up | 97:11–99:10 |

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Conclusion

Christine and Em’s signature style is fully on display in this episode: a tapestry of chilling tales, offbeat humor, and unfiltered personal disclosure. The Goldfield Hotel haunts with murder, mystery, and paranormal activity—including a unique history in Ghost Adventures lore—while Yates’s story is a disturbing true-crime exploration of hidden evil in American suburbs. Between the haunting and the horrific, the hosts’ laughter, asides, and friendship ground the darkness in empathy, insight, and the kind of cathartic camaraderie that makes “And That’s Why We Drink” so beloved.

And that’s why we drink.

Transcript

[A]

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[A]

You just said you hate ice.

[B]

I. Well, I didn't mean it that way, but I certainly mean it that way.

[A]

I was like, what a way to start the podcast. M. Wow, hot take.

[B]

Yeah. Everybody, don't cancel me, but I hate ice.

[A]

It's time I take a stand.

[B]

It's time I have an opinion finally on something.

[A]

Imagine all the. Ah, help. I'm trapped.

[B]

We've made it to March. How are you doing this? Fine. Third month we are.

[A]

I just barely know what day it is, what time it is. I. You said March. And I went, well, not yet. And then I looked at the calendar and went, what the fuck happened?

[B]

It's March. March today. Well, yesterday was March 1st, and sadly, I still know that as Justin Bieber's birthday, so. Happy birthday. And the first.

[A]

That was the.

[B]

When I first saw the calendar, I went, oh, it's Justin's birthday. And I didn't even say Bieber. I just. As if it was my power.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So hope he's doing well. I didn't get invited to the party. Kind of pissed off.

[A]

That's weird. Yeah. Maybe it got lost. Maybe the part of partiful invitation got lost in the mail.

[B]

The carrier pigeon flew a different direction,

[A]

so that's must have been it. M. What do you drink and why? I saw you have a little bevy.

[B]

Yeah, I'm disappointed. It's not my straw blum. I've been really going with these days, but it's just my Usual tea. Although the last few times you've seen me try this tea, I've had a real problem with the lack of flavor. And today they really brought the flavor. So it's going to be a good.

[A]

Not a straw blum, but a traditional problem you've had.

[B]

That's exactly right. So I.

[A]

Can I see it?

[B]

Can you see it? Yeah, it's just t. I don't know if it's.

[A]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[B]

And then I also have a second one just in case.

[A]

That's a good scare from the other side of the screen.

[B]

You imagine if I just accidentally just. If I just snuck it around the computer and it was just the same.

[A]

I got two. See? It's just the weirdest prank ever.

[B]

I'm not even gonna tell you if it's true or not. It's just for me. Wow.

[A]

Honestly, I. Better. That way. Let me live in the magic. Whoa. That. That was. When you mirrored your screen. You were like, watch.

[B]

But, yeah, so I. I got. Just got my tea today, and. Anyway, what are you drinking? What? What are you drinking today?

[A]

Oh, I'm just drinking my water. Thank you for asking. This is my. And that's where I drink. Drink up, Christine. Thirsty little rat water with scrappy. Love it. And you know I hate ice, too. Em, you're not the only one with a. With him.

[B]

I thought I was finally original about something.

[A]

Hot take. So I got my. My little devil sticker. I want to address something, which is that I got my eyebrows done. And I want to address Beautiful, because. Thank you so much. I have to say that I'm on video. We're on video. And I got them done on Friday. And she said, you know, for the first time, like, eight days, they're gonna look pretty crazy. And I was like, oh, good thing I won't be seeing anyone. And then we, like, immediately got on YouTube and I went, oh, right, right. That's their.

[B]

Yeah, you're far away enough. I guess I can't see the craziness that she's.

[A]

Yeah, I just blow out the lighting, and it looks awesome. No, no, no. I actually. I'm very happy with it. I got them microbladed.

[B]

Do you know what that is? Yeah, I've never had that before.

[A]

How did that go?

[B]

Was it painful? It looks a little too.

[A]

Yeah, like, kind of. Yeah, like a little bit. It was. I mean, it was numbed, so it wasn't bad. A tattoo, right? I mean, it is a tattoo, so it's like you. And I think the freakiest part is, like, you know when you're at the dentist and you like hear it but you don't feel it. So like, you could hear like, like slicing with a little blade. So that part was creepy. Crazy.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

But I gotta say, the before and after is nuts. Like, I looked at it and I almost, I actually told her, by the way, shout out her name's Honor and she owns brow otr in over the Ryan Cincinnati. And she did such a great job. I was really nervous. I'd never gotten anything done in my eyebrow before. And then I was like, why not start with tattooing them? And she did a really, like, patient. It took like two and a half hours. It was just a really weirdly relaxing and calming and yeah, she was, she was great. But she, she looked at them and she's like, that face. And I was like, you're such a. She's just a delight. So if you're, if you're nervous or you want to get your eyebrows done, I would recommend it. I'm going to lean forward. But so these are like now on there for a long time. Like I think a year. Question mark, Six months to a year. I don't know. But you just have to get like touch ups done and you don't have to do anything. But now for once, my brows are even, so I'm going to look forward.

[B]

Congratulations.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you so much. And so this is my year of. No, keep it up. No, I'm kidding. This is my year. This is my year of trying to feel like me again. I'm hibernating a little bit, but I'm also like, I just want to feel comfortable in my body, you know? So I'm trying some things. I just want to get my eyebrows done, you know, and like, so maybe get a haircut. We'll see.

[B]

So how does it. Do you still need. You still need to like, tweeze them? Yeah. Or no. Or like. So how'd that work? How's that work?

[A]

So I, the, the eyebrows I already had are basically like in there.

[B]

Oh. So she just basically did like a whole outline around.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Squid tweeze. Okay.

[A]

Precisely.

[B]

So just colored it in so there's no strays.

[A]

Right. And you kind of draw and you draw in the little hairs and stuff, which is how it looks kind of like hair, but it's not, you know.

[B]

I see.

[A]

And it was really like, I kind of did it on a whim because I knew otherwise I'd never do it. And I was like, I don't do, like, I don't really, usually. It's not that I have a problem with it. I just never. I'm a very anxious person. Like, I barely go get my nails done because I get anxious. So it's like. But it was an undertaking, and I'm very, very thankful. And I want to also shout out. So Honor was like, oh, I've been on YouTube. My sister and I did a YouTube channel, and I'm like, oh, interesting. And she shows me some of the videos, and I'm like, it's so weird. Like, her sister looks so familiar. And then she opens. She says, yeah, it's a children's channel. This is our biggest. This is one of our biggest videos. And she opens it, and I go, I know this video.

[B]

Leona.

[A]

And I watch five little ducks, this exact one all the time. And that was her sister. So fun little synchronicity. But the YouTube channel is called Pip and Pals, and they make really awesome little kids videos. So I wanted to give that a shout out because she said it's just been a kind of a grueling process getting that off the ground, and I'm just really happy with the job, with the work of it. I feel a lot more confident, you know, I just feel like more. More me.

[B]

You look marvelous, darling.

[A]

I thank you so much. They. And they'll fade, like, 30% is what I was going to say. Sorry. Like, they fade a little bit because they're a little.

[B]

And then you have to do it again.

[A]

Well, so they're, they put a lot on because 30 of it comes off in the first, like, week or so or two weeks.

[B]

I see A couple weeks.

[A]

And so then it'll, like, look more natural. Right now it's a little intense if,

[B]

you know, my grandma got her eyebrows, like, tattooed on, but, like, Like a permanent, like, attack, like the old school.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I think, like, laser hair removal and then tattoos. So she just never had to think about it ever again.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's g. Like, it's genius. If that is what works for you, man, like, do it, you know, like,

[B]

taking her eyeliner tattooed on. She's, she was like, why ever think about this?

[A]

Checked out. She's like, when I get to heaven, I'm gonna be looking fine no matter what happens in the next couple years.

[B]

Yeah, no, I, I, I don't see a downside to any permanent work getting done just to. Just to free yourself from the mental labor.

[A]

Yes. And the labor of having to. You know, when your camera flips and you're like, is that what I look like? You know, like when you rotate it? Like, my eyebrows would always go wonk. And I'd go, whoa, Is that how everyone sees me? And so it was just this constant thought in my mind. And now I feel like I've gotten them a little evened. But, yeah, I. I don't have.

[B]

I've never had an opinion on your eyebrows that would scare you. I've never had like a. Oh, wow, Christine. Our eyebrows. But I have that. I know what you're talking about when I have that with my eye, because I have one squinty eye.

[A]

Yes, me too.

[B]

I have. It's very stupid. But only one of my eyelids is hooded and the other one is not.

[A]

Yeah. Remember we discussed this because I said it runs my family on one side. And you should check to see if your other family members have the same. Like, do they. Did we talk about this?

[B]

I think we did. Yeah. All I know is every time the camera flips, one of my eyes looks like it's like three inches lower on the rest of my face to me. And I'm just like, what the is going on?

[A]

It's funny because I like, I obviously do not notice that ever, but I

[B]

think I feel like I always, like, tilt my head one way and I'm like, maybe that makes my eyes look even. I don't know.

[A]

But anyway, it looks. Makes you look a little more like a dog, in my opinion.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know what's going on there, but I. I certainly. If I had to change one thing about my face, it would be like my eyes don't look. I. As I know everyone's with a Looking at my face right now is probably looking at my eyes, but to me, they look so different. Especially when I just wake up. It's like my eyes, like, I get

[A]

the sleepy eye on one side and it's like, wake up.

[B]

This eye literally takes two more minutes to open than this eye. Like when I was at your left,

[A]

that's my left too.

[B]

It's like really aggravating when I wake up and I'm like, checking my phone. This eyes always close. Like, same it always needs.

[A]

And I think that's actually why my eyebrows were kind of fucked up too, because I like, my muscles of my

[B]

eyebrows are like, using different gravity, just like holding this one down. I don't know what's going on, but.

[A]

Oh, my God. Eyebrow workout.

[B]

Well, anyway, I. I appreciate you sharing your journey with us.

[A]

Thank you. And I feel like I've commented before, like, oh, people are rude about my eyebrows. Nobody's really been that rude. Someone said I have brow blindness. But, like, I have to agree, right? Like, it was like. It's like when you, like, don't see, like, you do too much on your face or whatever and you don't even recognize, like, how silly you look. And it's hard because, like, it, it's kind of the. It's that same idea with the flipping the mirror where you're like, oh, I didn't notice. I'm so used to it. I didn't notice. Like, this one was way heavier or whatever. And so someone said, like, girl, you've got brow blindness. And a few people commented, and nobody was ever really, like, mean about it, but it just kind of was at a certain point where I was like, I just want to le, like, feel. I don't know. I want to try it, so.

[B]

Sure. Wonderful. You look great.

[A]

Thank you. I appreciate it. I feel more put together, you know, more polished.

[B]

Good, good. I, I, I don't know what I need to update on myself currently, but I'll figure it out along the way.

[A]

Bad.

[B]

What?

[A]

Or you're. Is a tea bad? Or you're just saying you're disappointed. It's not a straw. Blum. Sorry. Your tea. Your iced tea. Sorry. Your iced tea. I went off a different. I derailed, literally.

[B]

I was gonna say, are we, like, the past?

[A]

I, My train car went this way and I crashed into a tree, and I wanted to know if you liked your tea or not.

[B]

I do like it. I don't know what's missing about it. I think I've drank it too many times. And now, like, I think I've, I think I've. What's the word? Like, my hyper fixation meal is slowly starting to decline. Like, you know when you can feel the love fading? When you, like, were obsessed with something

[A]

for a little bit? What's that called? That's called. That's a. There's a name for that. Diminishing returns.

[B]

Sure. That's what I'm experiencing currently with us.

[A]

I, I learned that micro. I mean, it's very young, by the way.

[B]

You're literally so smart. Like, go to Harvard.

[A]

He literally got to see in that. So I'm not that smart.

[B]

Well, I don't know if you've seen recently, but I've been buying myself math workbooks for fun, and I'm finding out that I'm actually. I just wanted to. It's no different than, like, getting like a. Huh?

[A]

Than a what then?

[B]

Like, A puzzle book like being like sudoku or something. It's like easy. Yes, it is.

[A]

You literally said you're going to hate yourself because you can't do it. And at least I can do a puzzle book usually. Well, I guess that's.

[B]

I.

[A]

The math isn't like fun.

[B]

The math is. It is fun, but it's the. I'm finding out that it's the instructions that always would stress me out. I didn't know as a kid what was so why I was so bad at math and like what the situation was. And I'm realizing it's that I would always take the instructions too literally because I'm doing it even right now as a 30 year old.

[A]

Like I, I wonder if I'm reading my instructions. I take instructions very literally too. And that's something I've always, I've recently noticed.

[B]

Yeah, I fascinated now I'm like, tell me more. Like the math itself is like very easy, but the instructions are like throwing me way the off and I don't know why. And then like someone else will read the instructions and they're like, just do this. And I'm like, how did you know to do. I feel like I'm like just so.

[A]

That's how I always felt doing math. And I always ended up in tears. It always was like a fight. One time my Al Pre Calc or no pre Algebra book went out the window into the side yard and got rained on and I had to pay for like a new textbook because my mom threw it out the window.

[B]

Like, yikes.

[A]

I hate hated math. And that was fifth grade too. Yeah, I think. Or sixth grade. Anyway, I'm proud of you. That's awesome. So wait, well, so my question was why did you do that and cpr? Are you like learning life skills or something? Or is this just like for fun? Like they just happen to be two skills you're learning. Okay. Okay. I didn't know if there was like a bigger picture. Like you're preparing for something like a, like a math or something.

[B]

You know, I'd love that. No, I, I'm just trying to be in a class every day of the week. So I was just in like a bunch.

[A]

What, every day of the week? What other class? Can I ask what classes you're taking?

[B]

Yeah, they're all almost over now because I've been doing them since like November, I think or December.

[A]

Oh my God, you must be like so educated now.

[B]

I don't know about that. The math one isn't like a class.

[A]

I just like economics.

[B]

It's literally fourth grade math. But I. I just bought that for fun. That's not like a class. But I was doing CPR and first aid and I have another. I have one more class on that then I have. On Sundays, I go to line dancing, Gay line dancing. So everyone look out on that. On Mondays, I. I'm on a dodgeball team. On Tuesday, I do asl On Wednesday, I do guitar on Thursday.

[A]

Jesus, what are you, a literal fifth grader? I feel like you're like. Yeah, extracurriculars are off the charts.

[B]

I know, I know. Yeah. I'm just doing a bunch of stuff. Just try to, like, leave the house for more than just to, like, go to the dog park, so.

[A]

Good for you.

[B]

Yeah. So anyway, what's your favorite? Probably asl. That's the easiest for me. Ah.

[A]

I love it. Yeah, I took a couple classes, but I've always wanted to learn it.

[B]

I. I'm in like a. I don't know if I would call it an intensive one, but it's. It's for the next like, several months. Um.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

And our teacher is. Is actually deaf, which is very helpful. It's a very immersive experience. But no, that's been. It's been nice. And then on days where I don't have activities, I have standing dates. I have like three standing dates every week with week with people to, like, go do something. Oh. So, yeah, just trying to keep my brain stretchy and be outside and. And then I have, like, weekly goals. Like, I. At least once a week, I have to ride my bike. I have to go play bingo or trivia in town. I have to the local diner.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. You're such a social butterfly.

[B]

I'm trying. I have made a shocking amount of friends, though, which is very nice.

[A]

I. I was going to say, I feel like that's probably the best part is you're meeting all these people. Probably.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's gotten a little actually overwhelming because, I don't know, I wanted to make friends and I. I did. And now I'm like, okay, well, now

[A]

you got to cut back some extracurriculars. Listen, like, you're going to have to cut them back to make room for all your plans now.

[B]

I know. Well, then I'm forcing all these friends to also do the classes with me. So that way we can. I can kill two birds with one stone. Oh, right.

[A]

That's actually way smarter.

[B]

Yeah. So I have friends in line dancing, and I friends in asl, and I have Friends in guitar.

[A]

Oh, I see. Okay.

[B]

Anyway, it's a whole thing.

[A]

I can't wait for you to have a birthday party. And I want to be like, oh, how do you know M. Oh, from, like, line dancing? Oh, how do you know. Oh, from our coding class. Oh, how do you know M. Oh, from our fifth grade math.

[B]

It's so funny you said coding class. I literally just signed up for a coding class last night.

[A]

I knew that was gonna be on the list. I just. Listen, no word against ASL Coding. Like, some sort of, like, weird sport, like ax throwing or, like, archery. Cross shooting. Archery, yes.

[B]

Because dodgeball ends in two more weeks, I think. And I'm trying to make it a thing where, like, I'm always in something. I'm trying to. I'm trying to just move my body more. Not for, like, any particular reason, but just because I'm 30.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's good. Yeah.

[B]

Or in my 30s. Um, but so I'm just trying to move more. So I was like, I guess I'll do dodgeball. And. Very fun. I got to play with the USA Team. And dodgeball. Wasn't that.

[A]

What?

[B]

Isn't it so fun? Jeez. I know. I guess there's technically not an Olympic team, but there's a USA Team. But then they're also playing, I think, in the LA Olympics coming up. I'm kind of confused about how it goes, but there's one girl on the team who's known as, like, the best thrower in the country. Like, the best.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And I did not catch a ball from her, but I did block a ball from her.

[A]

Did it hurt?

[B]

A little bit. She literally. She. Look, she threw it like. She throws, like. Like those cannonballs. What, like Miss Trunchbull do.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[B]

Not a javelin, but the. The ball. One shot.

[A]

Shot put.

[B]

Yeah. And this is a foam ball. She threw it at, like, 100,000 miles an hour. But I did block it, which was very fun. If I didn't, my head would have fallen off, I think. But I got to play with them, and I got to play against them, so I can. I can say both, which is fun. Anyway, that's actually cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I guess I drink because I've just been running around.

[A]

You've been adding to your potentials. Your list of potential answers for two truths and a lie.

[B]

Yep. And my weekly trivia, of course.

[A]

Right. And that, too. Right. Fair point.

[B]

Yeah. There's a bingo hall out here that plays every Tuesday, and it's, like, a lot of seniors go. I don't think they really care that for me being there. I think it was like a senior,

[A]

my brother goes to specific thing. They're intense.

[B]

They're really intense and I kind of have gotten a bunch of people at the dog park to all come with me to these things. And so now I think they don't like that the youths are there, you know.

[A]

Ah, you're like taking over.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, sorry about that. But I want that cash prize too. So anyway, that's what I drink. We talked a lot about Wonderful. My calendar, I guess. Sorry everybody. But anyway, I got a story for you.

[A]

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[A]

She.

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It's one of those blankets that when you are walking through a store and you touch it, you make the other person touch it.

[A]

It's a good gift too. I've given it to a few as a gift and I received one as a gift and I was like, this is going nowhere. It's staying at my house.

[B]

Lola blankets do come in a range of sizes. They. I have the large one, but they also have an xl, which is on my list. And my birthday is in three months. Everybody.

[A]

Okay?

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[A]

Got it.

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[A]

Oh, my gosh. Okay.

[B]

Depends on if you piss me off. Let's see. So.

[A]

Okay, challenge accepted.

[B]

So this is the. I don't know what my deal is. I'm not trying to do this, everybody. I'm sure people's eyes are just gonna roll into the back of their head when I say this, but apparently every story I cover these days is a Gold Rush mining location.

[A]

Listen, I think I'm just putting those vibes in the air because it is my favorite genre. I think it's that cowboy wild west, like Gold Rush era. Just love it.

[B]

I'm like, I'm actively trying to find different locations. And then I'll be like, oh, here's a story I haven't covered back during the booming town of this gold mine. I'm like, oh, my God. Well, that's great.

[A]

Okay, well, here's the thing. My, my favorite number, as we all know, is 49, which is the year the gold rush started, which is why the 49ers are. I don't know, I'm just like really tied into this Cold Rush thing for some reason. So, I mean, I appreciate it. Okay.

[B]

I don't know. I appreciate your enthusiasm. Hang on.

[A]

You know, frankly, everyone else can go off.

[B]

Thank you. Is. You said that very. It felt intensely.

[A]

Look how my palms literally burst into sweat when I said that?

[B]

No, I was like, I'm just dressed. You looked really, like, good with it with your eyebrows and everything. Like, you were.

[A]

Thanks. I need some practice to, like, stay in my body when I do that and not just go. Cool. That didn't feel nice. I'm leaving.

[B]

Well, no, you killed it. So. Okay, we're in 1902. And we're. By the way, we're also in Nevada.

[A]

I said 1949. I meant 1849, I think is what I said when I said 49ers. I'm not trying to say that gold rush was in 1949. Okay, sorry.

[B]

You said it to me and I didn't even notice. So. So we're in Nevada, not Nevada. Right, Nevada.

[A]

Yes. Okay. You're right.

[B]

And we're in 1902. And the discovery of gold has led to the very, very quickly developed booming town of Goldfield, Nevada.

[A]

Clever.

[B]

And by the way, the title of this is the Goldfield Hotel. Okay.

[A]

I love them.

[B]

You know, so just another reason why this is repetitive because another hotel. I love it. A booming gold town. God.

[A]

That's where I want to be, though.

[B]

So gold seekers. What's that?

[A]

Oh, that's just where I want to be in a booming. In a. Go In a hotel. In a booming gold rush town. That's where I want to be.

[B]

I also want that, but also like with sanitation, you know.

[A]

Well, yeah, yeah, I want that like,

[B]

and like clean water.

[A]

I want that like as a vibe, not as my life.

[B]

I see. I want to go to a themed hotel today.

[A]

I think we did that. Which one was it? Congress Hotel.

[B]

Congress.

[A]

Congress.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know if that was pretty

[A]

on the difference between the note. I think that was more just like this is old.

[B]

I think it was like they just haven't changed anything in 100 years.

[A]

Yeah, I guess that's different.

[B]

But I. Yeah, no, I want to feel like I'm a cowboy, but I want to also have air conditioning. So there's like the real.

[A]

Please, not a sweaty cowboy.

[B]

As much as I want to be a time traveler, I really have to, you know, reconcile with the fact that most places would be uncomfortable heat wise. So maybe time travel isn't for me, folks. So. Okay. Nice note.

[A]

Whoa. That's quite a little.

[B]

I'll change. I'll change my mind tomorrow. Don't worry.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

I didn't mean it. So the gold seekers moved in very quickly. I mean, tale as old as time at this point. They found gold. Now hotel needs to be built because everyone's there. But this town became literally booming way, way, way, way, way too quick. Within five years, the population went from, like, basically, no, 30,000 people. Like, it was.

[A]

Oh, Jesus.

[B]

Big old. Big old town all of a sudden. And obviously, a need for a hotel came around. And it was designed by this guy, George Holsworth, where, fun fact, he designed multiple hotels throughout Nevada, and all of them are now, weirdly, on all of the Nevada most haunted lists. So.

[A]

Oh, okay. He had something going there.

[B]

He did. There's something really spooky ooky about him.

[A]

Weird.

[B]

So he built this hotel. He built it on what was the original site of, like, Nevada's first hotel, I guess. But then it burnt down at some point in the 1800s. So. Fun fact, Goldfield hotels.

[A]

He was like, mine now.

[B]

Yeah. So, like every other story, folks, I'm so sorry to do this to you again, but this hotel was, quote, one of the most luxurious hotels west of the Mississippi. And it had all these elaborate amenities. And I don't know, at some point, I have to imagine that none of bathrooms, room. It had air conditioning. It actually did have heated steam. So we're in one direction. We've worked.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It had electricity, which, you know, I would have really appreciated. It had in the lobby alone, it had crystal chandeliers, leather furniture, and gold leaf ceilings. Ooh.

[A]

Oh, my.

[B]

It was four stories. The entire hotel cost $300,000 to build, which today would be 11 million. Yikes.

[A]

Oi. That's a lot.

[B]

Which I don't even know what a cheap hotel would cost today. I feel like that.

[A]

Then I'm like, how much is a hotel building to make? I mean, that's probably many millions of dollars, right?

[B]

And the property, I feel like even the worst. The worst crappiest motel still costs, like, total dollars. Right?

[A]

I do, too, at least.

[B]

Is 11 really that big of a.

[A]

More than that. Yeah. Probably not. Yeah. What the. Who cares?

[B]

I don't know anymore,

[A]

so sorry.

[B]

Allegedly, the hotel. Allegedly, the hotel connected to the red light district through a bunch of underground tunnels in the hotel. Although. Oh, I'm unsure of that. It sounds like there's two camps historically, where some people are like, oh, there were underground tunnels here, and they all led to the, you know, red light district. There's another camp that says, oh, they do. There are underground tunnels, but they didn't exist until many years later when the red light district was kind of dying down. So I don't know. I don't know. Everyone had a different opinion on all of my sources, so. But it was very, very swanky here. They literally had chefs from Europe come move in to cook up a hotel. The hotel had one of the very first Otis elevators in the country. And then. This has to not be real. This cannot be real. But a lot of sources I read said that it's rumored that during opening day there was a literal champagne waterfall going over the front steps. Like, just like it was the most, like, Great Gatsby party where it was just pouring down alcohol because everyone. So much fun.

[A]

Maybe they. Where they put all the glasses out and then pour champagne so everyone can take a glass.

[B]

You know, I've always wanted to see one of those in real life. But not touch it, because I'm like, I'll touch the one glass where everything Jenga falls and there's just shattered charts everywhere.

[A]

And it's going to be a disaster. And you don't even drink alcohol, so

[B]

it wouldn't even be worth it. Yeah, exactly. No, thanks.

[A]

But to see it would be an experience.

[B]

I would love to take a picture of one in real time and be like, I can check this off my list.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

But that's as far as I need to go. And also, apparently at the same party, President Teddy Roosevelt was there. So he had a blast. It sounds like nice. Shortly after the hotel opened, the hotel was then sold to a guy named George Wingfield. And this George guy was one of the most powerful men in the entire State by 30. And this was in the 1900s by 30. He was a multi millionaire, by the way, $1 million then was $36 million today. Over $36 million today.

[A]

And oh, so he's like, 11 million dollar hotel, please.

[B]

Yeah. He's like, I'll just. That's for breakfast. But if he was a multimillionaire by then, that means he probably had at least $75 million today.

[A]

Jesus Christ, dude.

[B]

He owned most of the banks, mines and ranches and goldfields. He owned, I think, more banks in Nevada than anybody else did in the state. And he had his hands in everything. He found ways to make his businesses continue to grow no matter what the business was. There's actually a former employee of his, I think it was an assistant of his that was quoted saying, george was not a mayor, but he was more than the mayor. He was kind of like a governor, you might call it. He had banks, he had prostitutes. And these prostitutes would look for the miners where the go. He. The prostitutes would learn from the miners where the gold mine was. And the next day they would tell George where he could Buy stock. So he was also, like, using sex workers.

[A]

Like, a whole ring of. Oh, my God. Okay, this is like a TV show.

[B]

Yeah. He had Ozark or some sex workers that were like, double agents, basically, like, getting intel from him so that way he could have even more business later. It's.

[A]

Right, Right, right, right, right. So nothing like Ozark. I've seen Ozark. I don't know why I'm saying it's just like Ozark. No, it's. It's like a show like that in my head.

[B]

I believe you. I've also never seen it. So as far as you're telling me, you're right. It's exactly like Ozark. Shot for shot.

[A]

It is. That's right.

[B]

So, of course, all of his other purchases. With all of his other purchases, George built the Goldfield Hotel. As soon as he could. He. Or he. He bought it as soon as he could. Sorry. Because he. It got sold to him. But like all of his other banks and like all his other ranchers and everything, he saw this as just a delicious little opportunity, swiped it up, and he. He bought it, I think, for what would be like 15 or $20 million today.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Okay, so it was worth 11. And then he paid. He went over price, like, almost double.

[A]

Maybe it had, like, proven its value, you know?

[B]

I mean, when you got champagne coming out of the floor and the richest guy's there, he's gonna be like, I need this.

[A]

When the floor is gonna be sticky for the rest of eternity because you dump champagne all over.

[B]

That is such an excellent point. I cannot imagine that.

[A]

Yes, thank you.

[B]

And, like, they didn't have.

[A]

How? Nightmare.

[B]

They didn't have fabuloso back then. I'm just gonna say that they had river water to clean it up.

[A]

They had a. They had river water. Please.

[B]

I. I mean, like, they also. That there was carpet in there. Like, how were you cleaning this? Oh, I can't even talk about it. It makes me want to throw up. I can't imagine.

[A]

Let's stop talking about it. Besides being so successful, traveling isn't for us.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

I think time traveling isn't for us.

[B]

I think you're right. Because the second I imagine myself in any other location, about 10 problems arise, and I'm like, yeah, immediate.

[A]

Yeah, immediate.

[B]

I think I can't do it. I think I want you so bad. And for all we know, I am the world's first time traveler. Just doesn't happen in this timeline yet, you know, but could be. God, I really want it. To be true. But I also. There it would be one of those things where I take a long drag of a cigarette after every travel and I'd go, that one was rough too,

[A]

you know, like what? I don't know what I thought would happen.

[B]

It's, it's. It's not much, but it's honest work. Besides being so successful, George Wingfield was known to also be evil. So he regularly, regularly cheated on his wife, one of the women that he spent most of his time. He was evil in other reasons, but especially in his marriage. He seemed to be incredibly unfaithful. And one of the women he spent most of his time with was this woman named Elizabeth, who, according to different sources, she may or may not have been a sex worker and that's how they met. But. Or he might have just been hooking up with her at his own hotel. I don't know. But she eventually became pregnant and that's where the sources are like, oh, well, maybe because she's a sex worker and it could have been anyone's baby, but it was also like, guaranteed to be George's baby. So it sounds like she wasn't sleeping with anyone else. Yeah. So assuming it's George's baby. I mean, George assumed it was his baby and.

[A]

Well, especially if he's like, if he has like millions and millions of dollars, like he can afford to keep her somewhere and not like Pretty woman style. Even if she is a sex worker. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't think that precludes them having a relationship.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Like, Like a monogamous relationship.

[B]

Exactly. Well, George was terrified that it was going to get out that he was cheating on his wife and had got another girl pregnant.

[A]

I love when they realized that a little too late.

[B]

He's like, what do you mean?

[A]

I want anyone to know.

[B]

Well, apparently in the hotel there's one room, room 109. And that is where he started having Elizabeth stay while she was pregnant. And it very quickly turned into kind of a host. Definitely a hostage situation. No, where it sounds like originally he was like, oh, let's just go, stay here. No, don't go home. Let me just take care of you. I'll have all the people, like cater up. And then when she started kind of getting, I guess, mouthy about like, I have to go home, like, I want to see my family. Eventually he change her to a radiator. Yikes. In that room for the whole pregnancy. And it said that he gave her just enough food and water to keep her alive until the baby was born. This Story.

[A]

Jesus.

[B]

I am curious. I mean, I guess if you have enough money, you can pay off probably anybody. But I do wonder, like, the staff had to know what was going on anyway. We don't get any information.

[A]

Yeah, maybe that's who reported this eventually.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

And also the. I'm just gonna use previous experience. Let's say that because given so many goddamn stories about gold mine hotels, I'm assuming there's also some nefarious acts going on here and he could have.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[B]

Or something. Or. Yeah, he could have found someone to help him out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyway, she's changed to the radiator in that room. And once she gave birth, Wingfield allegedly had her strangled and then brought down through those tunnels to the mines and threw her down an abandoned shaft along with the baby.

[A]

Why didn't he just kill them then?

[B]

Great.

[A]

Why did he have to make her give? I mean, like, not that I'm saying either one is good, obviously, but like, why even, like, keep her hostage and then wait for her to give birth and then like, it's just so strange. Like, why not just kill her?

[B]

You're. And the baby, like, I mean, you're a thousand percent.

[A]

Killing her would kill the baby, right? Like, if she's pregnant. It's just so weird to me. Like, why would you.

[B]

Yeah. No, you're asking questions that every single source I've been looking at has been asking as well. Because it's like, okay, gotcha. We're all aware that, like, this seems like not the world's best planning in terms of crime.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Especially like. Yeah. Because then you also could have just killed to the day you found out she was pregnant and then.

[A]

Exactly. It doesn't. It doesn't make it. And nobody would know as a. Yeah.

[B]

Anyway, Christine, you were onto something. So we don't know, by the way, if this story even really happened. That's just the rumor of what happened at this location. It's like the big famous story here. But there is an argument that in the 80s, the hotel owner was trying to, like, engage interest in the hotel and ended up saying a bunch of stories about what happened here. And we don't know if this is one of those stories or if this predates her. We don't know, but it has. It is a notorious. People treat it like it's real, like all the other ones people are kind of wishy washy about, but this one seems to be pretty solidified in town.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[B]

Others say if this really did happen, then karma followed him pretty quickly because in 1932, most of his banks collapsed all at once, nearly destroying the entire state's economy. Yikes. So he was hated all over again for different reasons.

[A]

That was a great Depression.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So I guess the karma hit everybody. Whoopsies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In 1910. This is only eight years into my story, by the way. Eight years into this gold rush, remember, Very quickly, it went from nobody living there to 30,000 people. Eight years later, the mines were coming up pretty empty. People started leaving, and the town of Goldfield was immediately suffering, and the population went down to only 5000 people. So that's like 80% of people left within eight years of it even existing.

[A]

Jesus.

[B]

Basically, 100% of people showed up. 80% of them left before 10 years hit in this town. So by 1920, the population was at 1500. I think today it's at, like, 400. And then a fire destroyed a lot of what was left in the town. There was only 1500 people there. So then even more people left. And the hotel basically stayed around until 1945. But it was in such a dilapidated area that it became a cheap motel through World War II. And then after 1945, the hotel was abandoned. And in 19, in the 80s, when this one woman picked it up, it was also added to the National Register of Historic Places. And it was then purchased through the years by multiple people who all had the same plan to, like, restore this hotel to its big grandeur. But every, every single time, it's failed. And to this day, it's literally in a ghost town. Like, like, it's like, like what you imagine, a ghost town. Like, I, I, I'm kind of confused. If someone lives near this area, can you write in?

[A]

I want to look it up.

[B]

Is this, like, Is this like a tourist attraction because it's a ghost town? Or do people just walk through this area of town and act like it's a normal part of your town? Because it looks literally like, like a, like pioneer town in California if you've been there, or like Bodhi. Like, it looks abandoned. The whole town looks abandoned. And I can't tell if this is just like a little.

[A]

The Hotel Goldfield Hotel.

[B]

And next to it is like a high school, but the high school is, like, literally, like, beyond abandoned for the last 50 years. Like, it looks like no one's ever. It looks like a movie set. It looks like a movie set. Weird.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's very creepy.

[A]

Creepy.

[B]

So do people. I mean, it says people still live there, but I'm like, Do you just live amongst the wreckage? I don't know. I don't know how else to put it, but. What's going on over there? Everybody?

[A]

They have a cyber truck tour available.

[B]

That's the opposite of what I thought you were. That's.

[A]

So.

[B]

That's. I. It was jarring already that really just, like, black mirrored it. So weird black mirror.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A few years ago, the building was on sale again. And unfortunately, because the town keeps getting disappointed with people promising it's going to be restored, the town has very little faith that it will ever get back to its initial glory. But what did save the hotel from being com. This is. Oh, this is where I need you to read between the lines and see why maybe you're Getting a Part 2. What did save the hotel from being completely obsolete, completely destroyed, was that in 2004, something very important to you and me happened. Zach Baggins decided that he was going to try his hand at a documentary, and it was called the original Ghost Adventures. Do you know about this?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

You will. So in 2004, before Ghost Avengers was ever a TV show, much like Catfish on MTV, it's.

[A]

I was about to say this is like me from Catfish vibes of, like, making a documentary into a TV show.

[B]

It started as one documentary with. With him and Nick and Aaron.

[A]

No idea.

[B]

And because he lives in Nevada, I guess he knew about this town, and so he decided that he was going to investigate the Goldfield Hotel. And when that documentary came out, it brought so much interest from other paranormal enthusiasts that now the hotel, in its own way, has had its own resurgence of tourists purely because they want to keep investigating this building. So it is still abandoned and not a hotel, but it is a building that people like to explore. And in some ways that's. And in some ways, people are very excited that there's interest in the town, but the building keeps, like, getting vandalized and investigated by people who, like, aren't being professional or respectful.

[A]

They're not, like, taking care of it. Right.

[B]

So it's kind of. It's a half and half a give and take that, like, at least people now really care about this hotel, but it not in the way that they used to. So as for the ghosts, not including the documentary that is Ghost Adventures, the main ghost in this building is in room 109. It is Elizabeth maybe still stuck in that room. People hear a woman crying in this room. They hear a baby crying in the mine shafts. Oh, my God.

[A]

No, no. That's horrid.

[B]

People say that they also hear crying uncontrollably in this room. And when that happens, it starts getting colder and colder, and no matter what you do, you cannot get the room warm. No, in this room, cameras won't work. They will totally malfunction. Or if you take any pictures at all, they'll all come out weirdly blurry. Some people have gotten pictures of, like, weird shadows in the room when nothing is there. People have even seen Elizabeth here in a white dress. She does not engage with people, so hopefully that means that this is just residual and not like she's stuck there. People also hear metal clanging in here. That's very similar to the sound of chains against a radiator. Yikes. Oh, so that's it for Elizabeth. People also have encountered George Winfield here. People smell cigar smoke through the building and often find. This is crazy. They smell cigar smoke through the building and find literal piles of hot ashes on the floor. As if he just walked by while smoking. Like, hot piles of ashes. Not like, oh, someone was smoking here three weeks ago.

[A]

That is so weird. Like, so he has an endless tobacco stash on the other side.

[B]

And also, this building's never catching on fire, even though it's, like, just rubble. Crazy.

[A]

That's so weird.

[B]

People sense a. A dark presence by the stairs. Some have seen a dark shadow standing there, and they assume that it's George, because who else is a dark entity here or has dark energy? There's also prankster ghosts here that allegedly. It's like two or three little kids who run around, and they sneak up on you and tap your back, and when you turn around, they vanish, and you hear children laughing. Yuck. Yuck, yuck. Also, poltergeist activity is reported in these parts of the hotel. Hopefully it's the kids and not something more malevolent, but please, please. It sounds like things are getting moved around and thrown and all that with. And it's always accompanied by laughter. I. I really hope they're just laughing because they're having fun and not because,

[A]

like, it says, little hooligans. Let's just tell ourselves that you're totally right.

[B]

I have to. I have to.

[A]

I must.

[B]

There is a ghost there that. I know there is no context, but he is called the stabber, and he's alarming.

[A]

I don't like that.

[B]

He. He may be a former dining room employee because he holds a large knife. That's. That's the reason. Not like he's a bad guy with a knife. Just, oh, he's.

[A]

He's staff Then why do we call him.

[B]

Also could be something much more sinister because he holds a large knife and he's known to linger in the gold room, which I guess was the original dining hall. But he's also said to run at you and try to stab you. But, like, people will see a. People see a guy run at them with a knife, try to stab them, and in the last moment, he will disappear, like right before he makes contact with.

[A]

And then they're like, oh, he must work in the kitchen.

[B]

Like, you're right.

[A]

Really? You don't think he's like, just a serial killer? Okay, sure.

[B]

Yeah. Like, if I were. Can you imagine if someone's just, like, holding you at gunpoint? You're like, oh, that's just the dog. It's like, what?

[A]

He must be the butler.

[B]

Well, so that's the stabber. So good luck if you're ever there. I know. Seems to have made contact with him. Like, I watched a bunch of, like, ghost hunting YouTube videos and things like that. Nobody's ever. I don't know. I stab Aaron now.

[A]

Stab Aaron.

[B]

Okay. I can't wait to eventually. Not today. Talk about that documentary. Because Zach was still normal. Because it was like he didn't have a brand yet.

[A]

He didn't have his, like, affect.

[B]

He was. He. I mean, he was still like. There were parts where he was still like a bit of a douche, but he was also a 27 year old man. But he was a 27 year old and he had frosted tips. It's hilarious.

[A]

Oh, 2004.

[B]

But he was just like. And he had no muscles. He was just like a Scry little man who just wanted to go see a ghost.

[A]

We just got sued. We finally got sued. That's what did it. He had no muscles.

[B]

Aaron had a full head of hair like every. It's very crazy. It's very crazy to look at. Okay, enough of that. So the. As for the other ghost stuff. Footsteps, voices, knocks, shadow figures darting around. Figures appear watching you from the windows. There was a shadow of a man leaning against one of the walls in the hallway. And if you approach him, apparently, he'll vanish. My favorite type of ghost. There are people who smell perfume. There's people who've gotten shoved, especially by the stairs. There are apparitions in the old elevator to try preserving it. Like the hotel. The town has hosted tours there every now and then, but the locals refuse to be in the building alone or after dark because they have all had some sort of experience. And a lot of psychics have come in and claimed that this building's a portal. Two spirits said to be former hotel guests, are also in this building. And we don't know a lot about them, except that they were two staff members who, at separate times, died by suicide. But there is a woman who worked here who I guess hanged herself. And now people see the spirit of a woman with burns on her neck. There's also a man who jumped off the roof at one point, and he's also seen walking through the hotel. Both are said to just wander the halls. But then there was one source that said, if you look at either of them in the eye, they'll scream at you.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no.

[B]

It's a firm no for me. And then, this is very, very sad. There might be a third employee or I don't even know about employee, but a third person there who died by suicide. Because in 2017, a man drove to this hotel did die by suicide, and he left a note saying that he wanted to be the next ghost to haunt the hotel.

[A]

So in 2017. Oh, my God. What the. Dude could be terrible.

[B]

Three people instead of three ghosts instead of two. That kind of fall into that category. But I haven't heard of anyone seeing him. But apparently that is something that happened, so. Jesus, that's dark. Yes, it is.

[A]

And is that the first time we've had. Sorry. There is a lag, and I feel like it's making my commentary seem, like, very abrupt and I'm sorry.

[B]

You're good.

[A]

But I. Have we ever had a hotel where somebody. Or even any place where somebody planned to be a ghost there?

[B]

I don't think so. I think that's the first time.

[A]

I think that's a first.

[B]

I think. Yeah. I'm shocked that we have firsts anymore.

[A]

Same.

[B]

But, yeah, no, it is. It's odd that there's. And it feels so modern because it's 2017. It's like that felt. It feels a little too real. But, yeah. Yeah, that is a first, I think. So. I did watch a few TV shows and a few YouTube episodes of People going, here. The ghost hunter's been here. Not Ghost Adventures. Taps went here. Funny enough, the owner at the time, who did not believe in ghosts, he actually asked Taps to come to the hotel on its 100th anniversary to see if Taps could find anything. And they did see shadows moving at the end of the hallway. And they got some pretty creepy EVPs of something saying, get out, and where did the go? Yikes.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Later, they also had, I guess, all the male Investigators left, and it was just a female investigator left. And she said, okay, well, all the boys are gone. It's just us now. And she got a female voice saying, can we.

[A]

Oh,

[B]

That's where the went. I mean, well, later on, when she was alone, she got female voices speaking to her. One of them said, can we go home now? Which, like, I love that. She's like. Like, thank God that those men are gone. Can we please get out? She's. I'm so sick of them. I love that in life and death, women are just like, oh, finally. So a weird feeling. There's a weird feeling by the elevator that they have that taps has. And then they find out, after they had this weird feeling, they find out historically that, I guess, a man was allegedly thrown to his death. Death exactly where they were standing. Oh, yuck. And then an owner in the 1980s claimed to hear rattling in the basement. So when he went down there near the elevator shaft to see what was rattling, he found human remains.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

This, however, could have been, again, the same owner in the 1980s who started all the other rumors. We. We're not sure, but anyway, so the tours were once offered. I don't think the tours exist anymore, or if they do, it's like an annual special that the town puts on. But Goldfield as a whole is the spooky ghost town, and there's many other spirits there. So in a lot of the YouTube videos I saw, even, I think in the original Ghost adventures documentary, they weren't going for just the hotel. They were trying to see all of Goldfield, which helped because some of the videos were, like two hours long, and I only had to watch a chunk. And I was like, thank God. But There were many YouTube videos of people going here. My favorite was, I just want to give them a Shout Out, a YouTube show called Ghost Club Paranormal. And they had a lot of direct responses from the spirit box. They. One investigator saw a person walk through a wall while she was there. They talked to a little girl named Olivia who literally through the spirit box, said, I'm only seven. What happened to me? And then when they turned the flashlights off, she said, I like the lights. Like, keep the lights on. I don't know her story, but a lot of people have said that there's a little girl that runs around there. So I guess the people who own the building have just named her Olivia. And there's also a. They say non human. I guess they're afraid to say the word demonic in the house. And so they Just say a non human entity is in the basement that happens to scare Olivia. I guess they found that out through investigations. And once this non human thing was mentioned, the spirit box said, I scare people. Run now.

[A]

No,

[B]

Someone who actually. Well, I won't even say that part yet. I'll wait. I'll wait till next week. But once in the base, once the. This ghost club paranormal, once they were in the basement, the spirit box said, I can scare you. They mean you harm. And then I assume talking about the equipment, they got the spirit box asking about the lights. They said, can you move location? Look to the right. Join us. And then moments later, they heard one of their names get said. And then they heard scurrying towards them. And then they checked the ovulus and it said, the investigators, literally, this is the crazy, crazy part because they heard one of their names was Mandy. They heard the name Mandy and then scurrying and then looked at the ovulus and Mandy was exactly what had just been said.

[A]

No.

[B]

Horrifying. Horrifying. They also would feel things next to them and the spirit box would say, standing beside you. They brought balloons and lights for Olivia and she was very interactive on a recorder. The EVP, they got EVPs of a voice responding to them, but like mimicking their voice. And that's happened with a few. That happened with a few investigators where like they would be talking and then they would play the digital recorder back and it would sound like they continued speaking after that. It sounded like their voice, but the last half of the sentence was not them. It was somebody else pretending to be them.

[A]

That's happened at the Sally house to some remember those investigators. It wasn't. It wasn't Scott and Forest and it wasn't the people with the blinds and all that, because those were crazy too. But the one that I'm thinking of is where they heard a person in their group, like ask a question, I think on the recording. But then they were like, wait, she wasn't even in the room. Or like she wasn't. There was something very clearly where like you could see on the video or whatever that she wasn't speaking. But like in. On the recording, she like asked a question that nobody heard in the moment, which is like, so creepy. What the fucking hell?

[B]

And in these recorders there was at least two or three teams. I saw where this happened and they're. It like they were the clearest EVPs I'd ever heard in my life. It sounded as clear as me talking to you right now. But imagine like, you then find out I'm not actually speaking. It's a ghost.

[A]

Oh, my goodness.

[B]

Oh, it was horrific. So anyway, and then of course, Ghost Adventures has been there, but I'm not gonna talk about that today.

[A]

Listen, I was gonna say we should do a whole commentary on that. And then I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[B]

We just might.

[A]

So we just might. Oh, my God. Remember when we got our Halloween live stream shut down because we were watching Ghost Adventures?

[B]

Yeah, I do.

[A]

Restarting it now.

[B]

What do we do?

[A]

And we were like, why isn't it working? And then it was like, you have been copyright, like banned or whatever. And we were like, oh, I see, I see. Yeah, good times.

[B]

Horrible, horrible, horrible stuff. And also horrible of Patreon to shut us down like that. That was crazy.

[A]

No, that was YouTube. I was still mad because we were streaming through YouTube and YouTube kept being like, you are not allowed to do this. And I was like, off.

[B]

My apologies, Patreon. It was somebody. And I remember being mad in the moment. I didn't care who it was. I was just like, I just want to watch Ghost Adventures.

[A]

They're all your fault.

[B]

Anyway. That is part one of the Goldfield Hotel.

[A]

Would you go there?

[B]

Yeah. Would you go there?

[A]

I'm a little, I'm a little creeped out. Oh, I think I'm creeped out about the thing in the basement. Hold on.

[B]

The second a place has a basement, it's certainly the last place I want to be in that house.

[A]

I think I just don't like non human.

[B]

I certainly don't. And the fact that even the people who own it are scared to say demonic.

[A]

They don't want us. Yeah, I don't like that. Gives me like, don't ask, don't tell vibes.

[B]

Yeah. There's actually just a gay down there just judging you.

[A]

He's just still in the closet. Okay. Leave him alone.

[B]

No, but it was. And I really, I, I, I don't know if anyone. We have no connection to them. But Ghost Club Paranormal, if you ever want to watch a YouTube series, they were lovely. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, and I do. So I will be close. Go. And I always do gcp. Ghost Paranormal.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then you can watch Pip and Pals when you're scared and you need a little kids show to.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Right. What's it called? Sorry. Ghost Club Paranormal. All right, I'm just going to type that in here so I don't forget good ghost clip art. Sure, that works too.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Good job, M. Thank you. Where nowadays are you sourcing your stories? Because I feel like I. I really like them. I feel like you've been doing some fun ones from the Wild west and Gold Rush, but, Yeah, I don't.

[B]

I usually, I just type in a location. Like, I. I typed in, like, France. I was like, most haunted locations in France.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

Biggest paranormal cases in France. Like, I just pick a location. Yeah. And then I don't know why Nevada, that. When I didn't look up Nevada that one stumbled up. Maybe that was a split across my desk. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That's how I always say it. I'm like. Because I don't know how I found most of my stories, so.

[B]

No, most of them, like, I tried to look up. Some of them are really hard because I want to do more international stories. But can somebody also please write below if you know how to do this? There's some places I want to cover things, and every source is an adjustment, a totally different language. And I, I. The translation is too choppy. When I. Oh, you know what I mean?

[A]

I mean, you can just use. There are, like, plugins, like, do you use Chrome? Yeah, there are, like, lots of Chrome plugins. Like, translation plugins and stuff. If you ever want to.

[B]

I mean, because I. I would like to. I. I'm not trying to, like, not cover other stories, but some of them have been really hard to find. I'm just like, I can't do it, so. Know, I would love to look that up.

[A]

A French class to your weekly rotation of extracurriculars.

[B]

I'm already trying to become bilingual. I don't know about trilingual just yet, but that's.

[A]

Oh, my God. I'm getting podcast in sign language.

[B]

I'm getting, like, shockingly good at sign language. I, Like, I was just telling Allison. I was like, I didn't realize how quickly I would start saying, like, full sentences in asl.

[A]

How cool is that?

[B]

I know. Yeah.

[A]

So is Al taking that, too?

[B]

No, I. She just got back, and I've been taking it for a while.

[A]

Oh, gotcha. Okay. Okay. Because Blaze and I wanted to take it for years, and I'm like, we could have a secret language. Not secret language, but a secret language in front of, like, my parents or, like, Leona.

[B]

No, it's. Yeah, that would be useful. And then Leona would figure it out in five seconds, I'm sure.

[A]

Immediately learn it. Yeah.

[B]

Correct. No, I just. I always wanted to do it, and then every person I said it to, they're like, oh, I've always wanted to do it. And then I was like, well, come with me. And now it's like a whole class where like half the people I just shoved into the room.

[A]

I love that everyone's taking it with you. That's nice.

[B]

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[A]

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[A]

Well, I think we're back to. To it. Back to it.

[B]

I think so, too.

[A]

I'm going to read you a story that I was going to say I'm going to read you a chapter, but that's not quite how it's going because I actually. Well, what happened was I wrote about this guy, Robert Lee Yates, the Grocery Bag Killer, in our second book.

[B]

Book.

[A]

I've been working on notes for, like, two different stories that have been taking me a very long time, and they're driving me nuts. And so this week I thought, I'm going to go back and research something I've already researched, which is the Grocery Bag Killer. I do not know how I've not covered this on the podcast because I know I say this a lot, but it is one of those where I'm like, I swear I've told this before. Like, I swear I've told this before. So if you were to tell me. Yeah. And so I've looked it up every which way on the website. Write. I can't find it. I even looked up, like, other podcasts we've been on to see if I brought it to another show. I just cannot figure out. But maybe I just remember writing it, which was shocked.

[B]

I mean, I've had that before. But I was like, I know I've covered this. And it was like, no, I just covered in the book.

[A]

Yeah, I researched it and covered it in writing. Yeah, exactly. So that could be what's happening. But if you recognize it, please tell me. And I apologize if anyone's familiar. But it's. It's a crazy story. And because it was in the book, it was pretty short. So I went back and did, like a full research on it to find stuff that, you know, hadn't been mentioned in the book, but yeah. So shout out to that. This is the story of Robert Lee Yates, the grocery bag killer. And this is our Spokane. In our Spokane chapter of book two, so Yates was born. Oh, and I'm also going to add, there were only two in this one. Little asides from the two of us.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

But I also, like, I need you to have a couple more sides because I think there were parts in the book where we didn't know what to say. And then I.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I found an old version of the. Of my chapters where I had actually written an aside and then we removed it because it was like, not funny. It was like, distasteful a little bit. Or like it just felt like a little off and so like going through. I'm like, man, I. We. I think this was when we really struggled to like, add any sort of.

[B]

Certainly yours were the harder ones to have a sides for because, like, even if we're just talking, at least like, something gets brought up that like, we can. We can do a call back.

[A]

Like, I spill a drink and it's like, oh, now we can talk about that. Or like Geo barks or like. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

When it's just dry text, it's like, oh, how do I. What do I say?

[A]

You're looking every word like something funny better come to me any moment. Yeah, so we'll see what. What we come up with today.

[B]

But Excellent, excellent.

[A]

Let's go. This is the story of Robert Lee Yates. He was born in Spokane in 1952. Of course, had a traumatic family history. So his grandmother had actually murdered his grandfather. And this was like a very much intergenerational story and also intergenerational trauma in the family. His grandmother had murdered his grandfather with an axe.

[B]

Oh, my Jesus.

[A]

And it was, yeah, very bloody. Very, very dramatic. And this psychologist who was interviewed said that he believed this told a story, like, began a story for Robert Lee Yates, like, to. To be fearful of women in a way of like, they have what you want, but they're very dangerous. Sure, sure.

[B]

Don't trust grandma.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, don't trust grandma. Like, this is one of the spots where I'm like, we should have put in a. We should have put an aside because it's just a weird quote. Women. He learned women are very dangerous. They have what you want, but they're very dangerous people. I mean, it sounds like a Trump quote. Like, I don't even know what that's like, it barely makes sense. But apparently I wrote it in the book.

[B]

He did. Great.

[A]

Thank you. A forensic psychologist, the same one actually, also said, in many ways, Yates relationship with his father, though, was completely normal. So there was that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I mentioned that because usually it's thought that even one positive role model is sufficient to stop people from getting, as the. This psychiatrist said, psychiatric. Seriously psychiatrically disturbed. So basically he's saying usually if someone has a healthy relationship with at least one parent, they're like, prevented from becoming, like, deeply psychologically traumatized or. Or disturbed. But that is not the case here because this fella is deeply disturbed whether he liked his dad or not, you

[B]

know, so the stats did not work in his favor. Yeah.

[A]

One time he's the. He's the exception to the rule.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So yikes. At age 6, there's a little bit more trauma that gets discussed briefly. And we don't know much about it, but it is worth mentioning because we are discussing how somebody becomes like this. At age 6, Yates experienced a traumatic event when he was allegedly sexually assaulted by a neighbor boy. And he never reported this to police or even his family. It's only, like, later years that we hear about this. So we don't really have any details, but if, you know, one can imagine that would definitely add to. To the psych. Psychiatrically disturbed element of this guy.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So we Fast forward to 1975. Yates is 23 years old, and he's hired as a corrections officer at the Washington State Penitentiary. And those who knew him thought he was a good guy, like a family man. I mean, in the book, I even called him a pillar of the community. So you know what that means?

[B]

I know what that means.

[A]

They considered him an introvert. He spent a lot of time alone. He liked to be outside. He was just like a normal dude. In July 1975, he was doing one of his nice outdoorsy hikes, which people thought he just did, to kind of clear his head and get a breath of fresh air. So he's out in the woods. He comes across two young college students having a picnic. And this is July of 75. He's 23 years old. For some reason, seemingly an inexplicable rage takes over, and he decides they have to die right now.

[B]

So this is the, like, this is just out of.

[A]

Out of.

[B]

It just hits them. This is.

[A]

This hits him.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Isn't that weird? There's a lot of, like, questions surrounding the psychology of this, you know, and a lot of theories. He decides in that moment they just have to die. Like, he just sees them and some People theorize, like, maybe. So it was a young man and a young woman, and they were college students and they were lifelong friends and they were having a picnic. And some people are like, maybe he was enraged that, like, there was a couple, a seemingly like a couple in front of him. Like, maybe he was. Nobody knows. Maybe he was planning this for. In his head for years and he was waiting for the right opportunity.

[B]

Maybe she said something that made her. Made him feel. Feel like women aren't safe or something.

[A]

Totally. Could be. Totally. Could be like something triggered and he doesn't even tell us what it is, so. Oh, he decides they have to die. And without further deliberation, he just walks right up to them and shoots them both in the head.

[B]

Whoa. Okay.

[A]

Just like executed some right there at their picnic.

[B]

So like, also, like, like publicly, like, he's like, not afraid of.

[A]

They're in the woods, so it's kind of out, out there, like in Washington, like, kind of way out there. But it's not, it's. It's in. I mean, it's outside. Yeah, it's like in public, you know, Like, I don't think he would know whether or not, like, you, like, he

[B]

has to wonder, did anyone hear that, that shot?

[A]

Well, you know what? He did also oftentimes go target shooting, like, target practice in the woods. So maybe he was already doing shooting his, his, you know, target practice, and then somehow these people disturbed his piece. They pissed him off.

[B]

He's an opportunist, and there's finally two people in the woods.

[A]

Exactly. So we don't really know. But I don't think those shots themselves would have startled anyone because he was already out there kind of oftentimes doing target practice. But yeah, he, he shoots them in cold blood, then he callously dumps their bodies by the water. He, he puts. He like, puts them in this really humiliating, degrading pose. Like, he puts her on top of him, you know, and like, tries to make it, like, look kind of more vile. And he. He dumps trash all over them to cover their bodies.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

It's just really starts very heavy. It's been suggested that Yates had secretly fantasized about doing something like this. And like you said, the opportunity presented itself and he just went for it. That's the only thing that kind of makes Sense.

[B]

Sense.

[A]

In 1977, two years after his first murder, Yates enlisted as an army pilot. During his 18 year tenure in the armed forces, a disturbing pattern emerged. And wouldn't you know it, everywhere he went, everywhere he was Stationed with the army, sex workers were being found murdered in increasing numbers.

[B]

Wouldn't you know it?

[A]

Wouldn't you know it? Despite this climbing body count, Yates managed to avoid being linked to the crimes. You know, they weren't collecting necessarily DNA evidence. It was also the fact that he's moving around. Also the fact that they're sex workers gets, you know, it not maybe taken as seriously by law enforcement, especially back then. In April 1996, he is now 44 years old and a father of five children. He's married, has five kids and got away with that.

[B]

That. Got away with all of them.

[A]

Got away with these and more. Yes.

[B]

Do we know, like, by now, and you said in the 90s, do you know how many there were that he's gotten away with?

[A]

Well, no, because we have about 15, I believe, confirmed victims.

[B]

Okay. Wow.

[A]

And it's theorized that there are more that we would just never be able to link or just don't know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which is, I mean, if you think about, like, he murders two people, I mean, yeah, there is that cooling off period. There's like that period in between oftentimes for serial killers, but still, like, who knows if he killed someone else in that time period and just dispose of them in those two years, you know, I mean, especially if he's moving around, there's just no way to know. But 15 he was convicted of. So we do know that for sure, but it is believed that there are more than that. So he's now father of five. And the daughters, I remember watching an interview with them at one point as well, with two of the daughters, Amber and Michelle, who are, of course, now adults. And they are, like, of course, deeply distressed by how this all happened. You know, their dad really was just like their dad. Right. Like, they talk. A pillar of the community. Exactly. They talked about a time where their dad got home and they were sitting in the van heading somewhere, and the one daughter, Michelle, turns around. She's in the middle row of seats in the minivan. And she's like, what is that stain? And it was blood. Just a huge blood stain. And her dad said, oh, oh, oh. I actually I hit a dog and trans had to transport it to the vet. So that's what happened. And he told his kids he couldn't get all the blood out. And Michelle remembers just how, like, like, sickly the smell was and how strong and pungent the smell was. And they said the stain just stayed there, like it never went anywhere. And so, like, just having to, like, look back on your own Childhood and be like, how much of that was my dad? Literally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Raping and murdering people or murdering people and putting them in the car.

[B]

And it is, it's a, I don't know what. The sombering reminder that I guess, like, if someone could do this, they could then just go pick their kids up and be driving in a van with them right afterwards. Because you would, you would hope. You would hope. If someone killed me, they would then spend the rest of their life in total complete panic wondering if they're gonna get caught tomorrow. Like, yeah, like I would be a nervous beyond fucking wreck. But the fact that someone can just like go get ice cream with their kids while covered in my blood. Blood, like that's.

[A]

And just be like, oh, it's dog blood. And then he's like, oh, by the way, the dog survived. It's like you, you know. Yeah, like you could, it's. It's really rough. And to have the daughters, like, have to reckon, reckon with that is just terrible. So like I said, he's now 44. The year's 1996. He has five kids. In April, Yates resigned from the army and returned to Spokane, which was very odd because he was only 18 months away from retiring with a full military pension and with so close wife and five kids, it's like, why would you leave 18 months before you. You're 44. Like, why would you leave this great career? And looking back, investigators believe that his abrupt decision to leave the military was due to a murder that went kind of sideways that, that he committed during this time.

[B]

It got cocky and it got messy. Is that what we're saying?

[A]

So what happened is that this is a little of theorizing and like, we're not 100% sure, but it has been theorized that he had picked up a sex worker outside Fort Rucker, and this 19 year old sex worker was transgender. And it's theorized that he discovered this unknowingly and either became enraged or just killed the person without, without the usual like kind of cool, cool headedness that he did this with. Either way. Yeah, just kind of lost his and. And fell out of control and immediately dropped out of it. This is the theory because the timeline adds up, but he basically drops out of the military and they move back to Spokane. They're just, he's just like out of there with his whole family. So after leaving the military, they go to Spokane and he of course, continues his murder spree. It's believed that he killed two people in the area between 1995 and 1996. But these cases remain unproven. What we do know is that Yates seemed to consider sex workers the easiest targets. In 1997, he joined the Army National Guard with aspirations of becoming a helicopter pilot. And to make ends meet, in the meantime, he took on a menial job at a factory. When he wasn't working, he would frequent this area called East Sprague, which is also called the Track. Okay. And it's where a lot of sex workers and, you know, just kind of the, the sort of strip of the town where people would hang out and do illicit activities. So we have sex work, we have drugs, we have that kind of stuff. So Yates actually not only did he just go pick women up as victims, he actually, like, ingratiated himself into the community. So he would befriend these groups of people and they would talk about this guy running around murdering women, and he'd be like, I know, isn't that scary? Like, it's just sick, you know, he's like, playing along and it's, it's. He, he made them trust him, you know?

[B]

Yeah, that's. I, I mean, I, I just. Which, just my same comment from earlier, just. It's horrifying that he can just be so cool headed about this, like you said.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So after inviting the women into his car, which was a white Corvette that he was very proud of.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

He would. Yeah, that comes back. Don't worry.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The Corvette becomes its own character in the show. He would solicit sex from them, at which point they presumably didn't know that they were in danger. Of course, afterward, he would just shoot them, like, in point blank range without any family. There's just something about it. He felt like that was.

[B]

I wonder if it was like it. Was he ashamed and just getting rid of evidence that he had done this.

[A]

No. It almost feels more like he's getting something he wants and then, like, executing them as a power move. Do you know what I mean? Like, sure.

[B]

I still hate it.

[A]

Well, really, I think it's awesome.

[B]

No, yeah, I know I am.

[A]

No, I don't know. I don't know. He's a conundrum.

[B]

I'm surprised that there's not more of like a fanfare to it or like, I don't know why. I think I'm just used to like, oh, and now I'm gonna hold you hostage, or now I'm gonna do this, or now I'm gonna.

[A]

I think it's just, that's how storytelling usually ends up. Like, especially on, like, Crime shows SV you criminal minds. Like, it's always like much more and these people do shit like that. So it's not, I'm not saying it's like more dramatic than real life. I think just like some people are just like cold blooded, like they don't care about anything but just actually ending the person's life.

[B]

Certainly cold blooded because I, I can't. Not that I wish that he tortured them, but I feel like they're usually there's an element of like a mind game to it after the fact or will you survive? But he was really just like, I'm done with you. Click.

[A]

I wonder if the mind game wasn't about that victim. I wonder if it was more just like the general. Like, look at me getting away with this and I can just keep doing it and living a double life and getting, having five kids and a Corvette and a job and a bloody minivan. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, okay, that's a good point.

[A]

I don't know. This is one of those where you're just like, maybe it's that, maybe it's this. Maybe he thought this. It's just unclear.

[B]

No wonder we had trouble putting blurbs into the story.

[A]

I know, it's maddening and like, like the Corvette is the only thing that ended up really being like the it factor for us.

[B]

Sure. We were like, whatever is the least, the most removed from the horrors.

[A]

Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly. So he would solicit sex from them, then execute them, and he would then type a plastic grocery bag over the woman's head. And that's why he's often called the grocery bag killer.

[B]

He did not keep things clean. Is that why?

[A]

Yes, I was gonna say it was not for like sadistic reasons. It wasn't like he's suffocating them. It's not like, you know, they're already dead. So it's not like he's doing it to hot so he doesn't have to look at their face. It really is just to keep his Corvette clean.

[B]

So disgusting.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

I mean, if these were around during your bachelor party, they would have been in the goodie bags there.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

In the summer of 97, Yates picked up 20 year old Heather Hernandez and brutally shot her in the head with a 22 caliber handgun before disposing of her body on the side of the road. Just with no, just like total lack of remorse. Like she was just trash. The same year he picked up 16 year old Jennifer Joseph who had moved to Spokane only a month earlier. Her, he left her in a field just carelessly dumped like trash. And you know, one note too is like people not meant. I mean maybe back then, more so. But people ask like, well, why are they still doing this? Like they have to. They're desperate. They're trying to survive. What the do you think? Like they're doing it for fun? They're doing sex work for fun. I mean, good on you if you are, but like not all. If these people are terrified for their lives and there's a serial killer running around, I mean they can't just like

[B]

stop going to work.

[A]

Right? Like, right.

[B]

They still have, have bills too.

[A]

Exactly. And children and, and food and. Ah, sorry. And there was a lot of drug use, right, like heavy drug dependency. I mean it's just like you get into these cycles and it's just terrible that they were so desperate. And then he just knew that he could keep it up, you know, despite their terror. So he picked up 16 year old Jennifer Joseph and also left her carelessly dumped like trash in a field. In 1998, investigators finally received a crucial lead because someone mentioned having spotted Jennifer getting into a white Corvette before she was killed.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Soon after, Yates in his white Corvette was pulled over for speeding.

[B]

You See, if you're gonna be a murderer, you better also never do petty crime. Like, why get caught up? Like, you're just right. It feels like if you think again, this just proves that he must be. There must be something wrong in the head, because I would be such a nervous wreck. I'd be like, there's no way anyone's ever catching me doing anything because I'm terrified that at any moment it's all over.

[A]

It's interesting you say that because they pulled him over, and instead of ending the story there with his arrest like something out of a movie, the officer actually wrote Camaro instead of Corvette on the police report Court. And Yates was able to move on with his day.

[B]

Dumb luck.

[A]

Dumb luck.

[B]

So annoying.

[A]

In August 1998, and I. So it's unclear, apparently the officer wrote Cam, and then it was translated to someone else as being a Camaro, and that's how it was put in the system is. Is what I've heard. But they were supposed to be on the lookout for a Corvette, and it didn't even cross the cross. Even cross their desk because they accidentally wrote Camaro.

[B]

This is where I say, in police training academy, there better be a class where you just have to memorize every goddamn car.

[A]

Yeah, right. Like, how would you even.

[B]

I wouldn't know. I'd be like. I don't know if she's, like, white and cute, you know, Like, I'd be like, what do you. She's old.

[A]

I don't know. You know, I think that probably that information is also written, like, on, you know, know.

[B]

Yeah. Like, in the right light, she's like, a really pretty green, but otherwise I, like, really don't care for it.

[A]

I'm glad you're not in police academy.

[B]

Okay, it's giving, like, Legally Blonde, but the police version.

[A]

Yes, it is. In August 1998, sex worker Christine Smith hopped into Yates's car around 1am and jokingly asked him, you're not the psycho killer, are you? Yates put her at ease, explaining that he had five kids at home and would never do something like that. As she performed oral sex on this guy, she felt a glancing pain to her head and she thought she had been stabbed. So she made a run for it and got three stitches. When she made it to get some

[B]

medical care, and she was. She. Was it stabbed? She had been stabbed.

[A]

Well, it wasn't until early 2000 that an X ray for another injury revealed that she had had bullet fragments in her head.

[B]

She got shot and didn't know and then survived Forever.

[A]

Got shot and didn't know and then survived forever.

[B]

How did that. There was a whole bullet in her head.

[A]

Fragments of it anyway.

[B]

I don't understand gun science enough to know what that was. She grazed, like, did it. Did it jam? Like, what is that?

[A]

She just felt this pain, this pressure. Went to the hospital, said, this guy stabbed me. They saw the laceration and just thought, okay, we'll stitch it up for you. Really? Like, I think it just happened to be in a way that it didn't cause lasting, but, like, her.

[B]

Is her skull, like, made of steel? How did it only go, like, an inch? You know, like, how the bullet. Like, I don't understand. Not that it's. You don't have to educate me.

[A]

I mean, I assume, like, however you get a laceration from stabbing, like, a cut. Maybe it was like that same. I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

I don't. I don't know. She's lucky, I'll tell you that. I've.

[A]

I tell you what.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

She didn't realize for two years that she had been shot in the head until she got an X ray. And they were like, hey, sweetie, there's a bullet in your head. And she's like, what?

[B]

She would. She would win every. Like, two truths and a lie for sure.

[A]

Truly, though. Truly though, she realized she had at this point, she realized, oh, my God. God, I wasn't stabbed. I was shot in the head by the grocery bag killer. And I'm just now realizing it. So. Just terribly traumatic. By the time 1999 rolled around, though, almost three decades had passed since Yates's first known murder. He's been on. He's been doing this for three decades without getting caught, and he's even been pulled over in his Corvette and still has not been caught. At this point, he has at least 13 victims to his name, most of whom were vulnerable young women. So whether he was just, like, getting way too cocky like you suggested, or some people, like, claim that maybe there's this psychology of, like, wanting to get caught or just getting too close to the sun. Whatever it is, he started getting sloppy. When a plastic bag found over one of the victim's heads revealed a fingerprint, they quickly got in the system and realized, this is a guy named Robert Lee Yates.

[B]

It's that guy with the Camaro.

[A]

It's that guy with the Camaro. So they bring him in for questioning. At this point, Yates is 47, and he couldn't account for his whereabouts on key dates, resulting in some suspicion from officers. Police knew they had their guy when during questioning, they mentioned a white Camaro and Yates responded, it's not a Camaro, it's a Corvette.

[B]

That. I was literally about to make that joke when I. Okay, well, and also, like, this is how.

[A]

This is where M's aside was all.

[B]

Yeah, really? Really. Okay, what was my.

[A]

Wait, what. What are you gonna say? I want to know.

[B]

I want to know if it's for sure.

[A]

Probably not the same, but I was.

[B]

I was just gonna say, like, literally all he had to do was like, shut the up. And like.

[A]

Interesting. Let me read you your. To your side, MSI side. Sometimes the best thing you can do for yourself is to just shut the up.

[B]

Okay, so you're like, literally all you had to do was not be a cocky piece of and like, just let me get the information wrong and not be so proud about your shitty car.

[A]

Just shut the up. Exactly.

[B]

Shut the up and you'll be fine. You could have gotten away with it.

[A]

And they were like, oh, a Corvette, you say?

[B]

Stupid.

[A]

So, of course they submit the vehicle for forensic testing and they're finally able to link Yates to the crimes. I mean, you think. Think if they have a big blood stain in the minivan, of course his Corvette's going to have DNA in it, you know, so they're able to match him. Threads from his car actually matched these threads. Fibers that they had found on Jennifer Joseph's body. The 16 year old, they also found in his car. A small mother of pearl button that matched Jennifer's cardigan or her sweater.

[B]

So he was keeping little trophies.

[A]

No, it had actually just fallen off.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And he hadn't found it. And so it was like, rolled underneath a seat. Okay, yeah, yeah. Just getting sloppy, you know?

[B]

I guess.

[A]

So they knew she'd been in that vehicle prior to her death. And of course, the real kicker came when they tested the blood and revealed a DNA match to Jennifer's blood. He was finally arrested on April 17, 2000, and a search of his home yielded evidence linking him to multiple murders. His DNA was matched to several victims between 96 and 98. And he was charged with a total of 13 murders, along with the attempted murder of Christine Smith, the witness who had escaped his grasp in October 2000. He surprised everyone by pleading guilty to all counts. And because of this, he avoided a trial and the death penalty. He did receive a life sentence without the possibility of parole, which totaled 408 years behind bars. Holy. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. In 2002, Yates was convicted of two additional murders, which is how we get to that 15 number, because of these two. Oh, I want. I missed a whole section here. In exchange for his plea, by the way, before we get to the two additional murders, he didn't get the death penalty in exchange for the plea, but he had to agree to reveal the location of his victim, Melody Murphin, because the police and her family had been desperate to find her.

[B]

Her.

[A]

So the police had struck out. And finally, when he made this plea deal, he said, I'll show you where she is. So they follow him, and he leads them to her burial site outside his bedroom window in his backyard.

[B]

O. That's a rough one.

[A]

What the. Like, where he and his wife would sleep there, and he buried her underneath the window. Like,

[B]

that's a toughie. Yeah, that's gross.

[A]

In 2002, Yates was convicted of two additional murders, and now he received the death penalty. Like, he didn't when he made the plea agreement. And then they found two more murders, and they're like, well, now you do.

[B]

So when they found those other two, he had to be like, Damn it. Yeah.

[A]

100. 100. However, they did abolish Washington State, abolished the death penalty in 2023 officially. And so his death sentence was commuted to life in prison without the possibility of parole. In 2013, Yates's attorneys filed a habeas corpus petition in federal district court stating that actually he's mentally ill because. Well, yeah, could have told you that, first of all. Second of all, they said he suffers from a type of severe paraphilic disorder. And a paraphilic is like a sexual deviancy or like a, you know, some compulsion called necrophilia.

[B]

Oh, fuzzy. Yeah, I, again, could have. Could have pinned that one out.

[A]

Yeah. Like, not shocking. Thank you. It's like this whole.

[B]

The investigation could have been an email situation, truly.

[A]

But, yes, they claim that this necrophilia predispose, which to none of his own fault, by the way, of course, because he can't control what diseases he has. They said that this disorder predisposes him to commit murder.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

It's considered a long shot that this will go anywhere. I can understand why. And apparently the Pierce county prosecutor, Mark Lindquist, said, I don't think Mr. Yates helps his cause by relying on the fact that he's a necrophiliac. So I think we're okay. He's not really gonna go anywhere. Yates is suspected of having taken many more lives than the 15 he was convicted of, but today, he serves his time in the Washington State Penitentiary, which is ironically, if you'll recall, the same facility where he once worked as a prison guard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wouldn't you know it?

[B]

The irony. I. As you know, I watch a lot of To Catch a Predator, and.

[A]

That's right. I know that about you.

[B]

And the amount of people who are CEOs or work in the prison system in some way, they're like, extra terrified about getting arrested because now they're going to get put in with all the people they've been watching and they. They. Yeah, that's like a lot.

[A]

And To Catch a Predator, like, you're a. You're gonna. You're. You know what you're in for.

[B]

They don't treat those people too well in the prison system, especially if, on top of that, you also were like their correctional officer. So I think they. For their safety, I think they get sent to a different prison than the one they were working at, but.

[A]

Right, right, right. Not this guy.

[B]

Not that guy.

[A]

Okay, I'm going to send you a picture of what Juniper is doing right now. Sorry. It's, like, so distracting. He's nuts.

[B]

Actually.

[A]

I'll just show you.

[B]

Like this.

[A]

He's just.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

I see Baby G, though.

[A]

That's part of the problem. He's just harassing the dog. Just poking him in the head.

[B]

Last night, Hank had a. A dose of doggy catnip.

[A]

Oh, how was that?

[B]

Just rolling around like a tumbleweed. Just like a tumbleweed. Just rolling around.

[A]

You know, the cats love that, man.

[B]

He. I think he felt. I think he was neutral to it. I couldn't really tell where the craziness was, where it was responsible. Oh, look at little Juniper just like,

[A]

rolling around like a tumbleweed and just, like, smacking Geo in the head.

[B]

Oh, it just. The Geo just wants to be left the hell alone.

[A]

He's just trying to sleep.

[B]

That's a cute puppy, though. I love that little puppy. I love.

[A]

He has a floofy puppy.

[B]

Oh, well, that's a great way to end it. We really should have always just ended on Puppy Corner. Yeah, I know. Well, thanks for letting me relive that with different commentary.

[A]

Oh, you're so welcome. Except the same commentary when you said it again.

[B]

Yeah. There was a little redemption, though. I feel like I got a few more words in there this time.

[A]

Oh, hell yeah. And I. I feel like, even though that's like a shorter one, I feel like. I feel like it. It's a. I'm just still surprised I haven't covered it. Like you haven't Heard it. Right. Like, but like audio wise. Okay.

[B]

I. And I mean I literally had to read your cases so I could put asides in and I don't.

[A]

Okay, Okay.

[B]

I don't really remember. You could, you could cover all 50 or whatever states we covered. You. I wouldn't remember.

[A]

Yep, yep. I think that's probably fair to say about both of us. So.

[B]

Yeah. Which feels insensitive. But everyone please remember we've done like over 500 cases. I can't remember all of them.

[A]

It's one of those things where you get into and you're like, oh yeah, I remember this. But it's like they all start to get blurred together when you're researching them. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Especially when all 500 have one thing in common and it's that people are dying. It's like, it's traumatic and terrible, but also I cannot organize them in my head to know every single one separately.

[A]

Right. No. No.

[B]

Well, good telling it Christine for a second time.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

You're welcome.

[A]

Maybe someday I'll finish the other notes I'm working on cuz they're a doozy.

[B]

Dude, I feel the same way. There's an alien one I keep trying to do for you and it's just so annoying. To be honest, I feel like half the half the story will be me complaining about how annoying. Everyone will understand when I get there. Okay, well, what are you up to for the rest of the day?

[A]

Listen, what. What a day Is today Monday? Oh my God, we never record on a Monday. I don't know. I'm gonna drink my deep happy and chill. What are you up to?

[B]

What do I have. I have a standing friend date that I gotta go to.

[A]

Oh nice.

[B]

And I've got the dog park and I've got dodgeball, so.

[A]

Jesus. Okay, you're busy.

[B]

Make I make it work and then I'll. I have to finish my math book tonight night because I have. I ordered another one.

[A]

Oh my word in heaven.

[B]

I'm trying to finish fourth grade so I can get to fifth grade. So.

[A]

You know, I was. I was watching Great British Bake off with Blaze last night and this guy, he was such a goober. It was season 13 and he was this poor guy, he. He threw an ax like they did. You know when they go to their h. Like in a reality show, whatever competition where they go to their house and they're like, like 35 year old, so. And so is a stay at home mom and cooks for her children. Whatever the. So they have this guy Hassan and they're like, Hassan is a so and so year old scientist who lives in. And he loves yoga and he was just like in his little room doing yoga and it's so dorky. And then they're like. And spending time with friends and he's like playing with the ax, throwing. And he throws an axe and it fucking bounces back and it flies like

[B]

right over his head.

[A]

And he goes, goes what he say? Wait, wait, wait. I have to say it right. He said, oh, no, now I'm going to lose it. What did the British people say? They say, oh my something.

[B]

I have no idea.

[A]

It wasn't oh my heavens. But it was something very like British

[B]

heavens to Betsy or something like that.

[A]

It was like, oh my heavens. This like flying over his head. And I don't remember why I just told you that it could. Except for I think it's because you

[B]

can imagine me on one of those shows where it's like, em Schultz likes to do fourth grade math for fun. And then I can't get it right. And then I go, oh, my heavens.

[A]

Oh my heavens. Oh my heavens. I need to ask Blaze what it was. It was something ridiculous. Anyway, all that to say. I will say also, spoiler alert, he was the first one kicked off.

[B]

Oh, well.

[A]

Because his cake went like this. Like the Lumberjack Jack cake I made you one time.

[B]

It went like. It went just like a Zach's round

[A]

going so exactly right. Oh my heavens. I'll think about what he said and come back with it next week.

[B]

Well, okay. Well, I'll see you next time. And that's why we drink.