E483 Caterpillar Surprises and Tamagotchi Funerals

Summary

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And That's Why We Drink

Episode 483: "Caterpillar Surprises and Tamagotchi Funerals"

Hosts: Christine Schiefer & Em Schulz
Date: May 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of And That's Why We Drink delivers the quintessential blend of true crime and paranormal with a twist of candid mental health talk, millennial nostalgia, and witty banter. Christine and Leona (Em) dive into haunting tales from the Egyptian Theatre in Boise, Idaho, dissect a recent true crime case from Scotland, and candidly discuss their own emotional funk, mental health journeys, and tamagotchi woes. Fans of offbeat tangents, pop culture throwbacks, and authentic vulnerability will find lots to love.

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1. Opening Banter: Feeling "Like a Bruise" (03:33–10:06)

• Both hosts admit they're feeling out of sorts.
  • Leona describes feeling like "Silly Putty" (03:39), while Christine shares:

    "Yesterday I said I was walking around feeling like a bruise." (03:53)

  • The two riff on how moods impact relationships and daily life, including Leona's frustration with Allison.
  • Christine quips,

    "Can you sign my bruise, please? That's fucking insane. I'm writing that down. Eva, write that down, please." (04:16)

• Discussion of sensory overload and self-awareness.
• Leona reveals her Tamagotchi died and jokes,

  "I buried her in my drawer." (07:14)

Memorable Quote:

"You just, like, kind of overly sensitive. Like, things just kind of hurt a little more that day everywhere, you know." – Christine (05:20)

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2. Nostalgia & Listeners’ Shout-Outs (08:15–09:41)

• Leona shares a positive moment at her favorite coffee shop, where the cashier reads horoscopes to patrons (08:15).
• The segment turns into a reflection on community, small joys, and matchmaking drinks:
  • Christine is newly addicted to matcha ("my new thing" – 09:20)
  • The pair bemoan the ubiquity of plastic in certain states versus LA’s shift to paper.

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3. Why We Drink This Week: Mental Health & OCD Deep Dive (10:12–22:15)

Christine Opens Up About Her OCD Diagnosis (10:12–19:38)

• Christine explains the genesis of her OCD, debunking stereotypes, and connecting it to her true crime interests.
  • "My interest in true crime sort of began as a result of my OCD because I would fixate on true crime as this sort of control... The more I understand this, the less likely it'll happen to me." (11:41)
  • Candidly describes intrusive thoughts and compulsive behaviors from childhood (14:18).
  • Touches on the “magical thinking” that reinforced her compulsions.
  • Credits ERP therapy and the NOCD platform for helping her heal.
• Further discusses the hidden nature of OCD:

  "So much of it is internal that you don't even realize. And then when you start saying it out loud, you're like, do other people...?" (18:17)

Leona and Christine Normalize Therapy (20:21)

• The hosts celebrate therapy and supportive mental health professionals.
• Bond over poetic metaphors:

  "If I were 16 and saw that in someone's Anger, I'd be like, they're going places." – Leona (04:03)

  • Discussion toggles between metaphors and similes, using “bruise” as the day’s motif.

Memorable Exchange:

Christine: "Can you sign my bruise?" (21:34)

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4. Drinks, Caffeine, and Aging with Panic (22:11–26:52)

• Christine laments how caffeine now gives them both palpitations and anxiety — a sign of “old age.”

• "I've officially hit the age where caffeine affects me, like, gives me palpitations and stuff." – Leona (24:14)

• Playful caffeine confessions, panic spiral stories, and new beverage choices.

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5. Tangents: Mike and Ikes, Dog Parks, and Bark Mitzvahs (59:07–125:35)

• Extended sidebar on favorite movie snacks (Mike and Ikes enthusiasts; 59:07).
• Leona is planning a “bark mitzvah” for her dog, Hank, and prepping a spelling bee for her dog park group (121:25–124:45).
  • Christine: "You're like event coordinator." (124:02)
• Humor, nostalgia, and the subtle art of avoiding adult responsibilities.

Memorable Quote:

"Preferably I'd like to host a drunk spelling bee, but I can't get people to get drunk in public." – Leona (124:35)

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6. Main Paranormal Story: Egyptian Theatre (Boise, Idaho) (30:17–66:23)

History & Egyptomania (31:16–46:04)

• Egyptian Theatre in Boise, built in 1927 during the 1920s "Egyptomania" after King Tut’s tomb was discovered.
  • Ties to Barrymore Hollywood dynasty.
• Fun fact: Opened with Don Juan, the movie with the most on-screen kisses (191; 36:56).
• Historical details on architectural trends, Egyptian motifs, and changing theater ownership.

Hauntings and Legends (48:10–66:23)

Ghosts:

• Joe, the Projectionist
  • Died of a heart attack on the stairs in the 1950s. Lights flicker, doors slam, noises abound.
  • Sometimes seen in the balcony or walking the theater in 1920s attire.
• Lady in Red
  • Vaudeville-era woman appearing on opening nights, sitting in the audience or vanishing at intermission. Smells of perfume linger in dressing rooms.
• Unlucky Crew Member
  • Allegedly fell from the catwalk; now blamed for tech glitches.
  • Ghost sometimes seen working the lights.
• Other Activity
  • Makeup mysteriously smeared on mirrors.
  • Props and costumes change places without explanation.
  • Ghostly applauses, vaudeville music, shadow figures, and the pipe organ playing itself.
• Paranormal investigators have experienced cold spots, laughter, and Ouija board mishaps (planchette moves to NO, projection booth door slams, lights go out; 63:06).

Notable Exchange:

Leona: "And just like that, theater ain't for me. Bye." (57:26)

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7. Main True Crime Story: The Death of Tony Parsons (72:44–120:13)

Christine's true crime segment, sourced from the Netflix docuseries Should I Marry a Murderer?, unspools the case of Caroline Muirhead and the murder cover-up in the Scottish Highlands.

Story Beats

• Dr. Caroline Muirhead, a forensic pathologist, meets and quickly gets engaged (five weeks) to "Sandy" during COVID lockdown (79:36).
• Sandy confesses he and his brother, while drunk, killed cyclist Tony Parsons in 2017 and hid the body under the spot where they shot clay pigeons (84:54):

  "He's right beneath your feet when we shoot clay pigeons." – Sandy (86:00)

• Caroline struggles morally, ultimately reports Sandy and Robert to police after a month. Police can't act: no body, only her word.
  • Caroline: "I have to do the right thing. I don't know how to..." (91:02)
• Manipulated into gathering more information, she moves in with Sandy, undergoing severe psychological stress, substance abuse, and constant fear (96:53–98:32).
• Discovers new information:
  • Tony was still alive after the collision but left to die; brothers later destroyed evidence, hid the body in a "kill pit" for animal carcasses (99:36–103:26).
• Caroline cleverly marks the body's secret bog grave with a crushed Red Bull can (107:33):

  "[He] goes, did you just litter?... There's a dead body down there, and you're littering." (108:20)

• Police recover the body. The brothers are finally arrested; Sandy realizes Caroline's role after being told of the Red Bull can (108:56–109:59).
• Emotional roller coaster: their breakup and complex, toxic entanglements continue; eventually, the brothers plead guilty and receive prison sentences (115:41–116:12).
• The case raises serious questions about police support (or lack thereof) for witnesses.

Notable Quote:

"No one trains you for what to do in that situation." – Leona (98:32)

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8. Wrap-Up and Lighthearted Closer (120:11–126:02)

• Conversation winds down with reminiscences about street food cinema, the infamous stolen "dog at the movies" Reddit photo, and Leona's plans for further dog park activities.
• Christine drains her social battery and prepares to watch The Drama, as recommended by Leona.
• Gio and Hank (the dogs) exchange virtual greetings.
• The two sign off with their classic line:

  "And that's why we drink."

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Notable Quotes / Memorable Moments

• Leona, on mood: “I feel like a bruise on the inside, but on the outside… just, like, sensory nightmare.” (05:25)
• Christine, on OCD inspiration: “My interest in true crime began as a result of my OCD… If I know all the ways that someone can be harmed, I can avoid all the ways.” (11:41, 16:52)
• Christine, on therapy: “Let’s normalize therapy and shout out all the therapists out there…” (20:24)
• Christine, on the story’s climax: "That's the Red Bull can that brought detectives right to the spot where they found Tony's body." (108:44)

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Timestamps - Key Segments

• 03:33 – Hosts reflect on feeling “off,” metaphors, Tamagotchi funerals
• 10:12 – Christine’s OCD journey, NOCD, true crime as a coping mechanism
• 21:34 – More “bruise” metaphor jokes: “Can you sign my bruise?”
• 22:11 – Aging and caffeine panic
• 30:17 – Start of Paranormal Topic: Egyptian Theatre (Boise)
• 48:10 – Hauntings, ghosts, and paranormal happenings
• 66:23 – End of theater story; flow into ghost hunter show discussion
• 72:44 – Beginning of True Crime: Tony Parsons case
• 108:44 – Red Bull can ploy and recovery of Tony Parsons’ body
• 115:41 – Trial outcomes
• 121:25 – Dog park, bark mitzvah, and spelling bee tangents
• 125:40 – Goodbyes and sign off

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Summary

This episode is a rich blend of introspective mental health conversation, historical paranormal intrigue, vivid storytelling, and classic Christine & Leona (Em) comedy. With major segments on OCD and its ties to true-crime fandom, the haunted Egyptian Theatre, and the cautionary tale of a whirlwind romance leading to involvement in a homicide cover-up, the episode is sure to give listeners laughter, chills, and a lot to ponder.

Transcript

[Host 1]

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[Christine]

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[Host 1]

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[Christine]

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[Leona]

Allison, I just touched her legs last night while we were Watching tv. And I was like, what is going on here? This is a whole new leg. Like a slip and slide. That calf. Oh, my God.

[Christine]

Shaving gel is so nice too. That's what I told my friend. I was like, you have to buy that one next. Anyway, for a limited time, our listeners can get the Flamingo starter set for only $7 at shopflamingo.com drink.

[Leona]

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[Christine]

Yes.

[Leona]

I don't know.

[Christine]

I'm having a lot of breath noises today.

[Leona]

Having a weird day. I don't know. I'm in, like, a funk for the last, like, two days. So I don't really. I don't know. I want to. I'm happy to be here, but I'm also like. Like, I just kind of feel like Silly Putty, you know what I mean?

[Christine]

I totally get that. You know, yesterday I said I was walking around feeling like a bruise.

[Leona]

I love that. I mean, I'm so sorry.

[Christine]

Yeah, no, thank you. I loved it, too. I was like, wow, that's so poetic of me.

[Leona]

If I were 16 and saw that in someone's anger, I'd be like, they're going places.

[Christine]

That's why we never met as high schoolers. It would have been really ugly for everybody.

[Leona]

It would have been. You would have been too powerful because

[Christine]

we would have done something bad. Like, we would have, like, made a.

[Leona]

You know.

[Christine]

Yeah, we. Now that's gonna be my new emo hit single. Can you sign my bruise, please? That's fucking insane. I'm writing that down. Eva, write that down, please. It's too good to waste.

[Leona]

That does feel like someone's, like, hidden secret track that never made it on.

[Christine]

It's good. It shouldn't be hidden. We should bring it to the surface

[Leona]

like a bruise can.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. Hold on. Hold that thought. This magic is flowing. Can you sign my bruise? I'm gonna find this tomorrow and be like, what the is going on?

[Leona]

I feel like you're only gonna find that when you're already, like, deliriously sick or something and be like, am I even reading this right?

[Christine]

Like, who? I'd be like, blaze, why did you write this to me?

[Leona]

Yeah, well, I'm sorry you feel like a bruise. Did anything cause that or you just kind of.

[Christine]

Yeah. Everything, you know.

[Leona]

Okay. Yeah.

[Christine]

You know. You know when everything's just, like, punching you in the face and you're like, wait, that's cool.

[Leona]

So, yeah, I do y. But a bruise is a perfect way to describe that.

[Christine]

You know, you just, like, kind of overly sensitive. Like, things just kind of hurt a little more that day everywhere, you know,

[Leona]

I think I've just. Yeah. I mean, I think mine has been more like. I feel like a bruise on the inside, but on the outside, I've been, like, just, like, sensory nightmare. Like, every sound is too loud now.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Leona]

Like, Allison today. Like, I was so mean to her, and she's gone now, so I can't apologize yet. But literally, she was, like, just trying to leave the house, but she wasn't doing it fast enough for me. And I. I was like, can you leave? I. Like, I was so mean.

[Christine]

I like, you sound like Leona talking to my mom. You can leave now.

[Leona]

And I wasn't trying to be mean. I was just, like. I was overwhelmed. And I was like, once she's gone, some of the noises will be gone, and then it'll be gone.

[Christine]

I think we can all relate to that. It's like you just kind of snap. Like, it's like there's something has to give, you know?

[Leona]

Yeah. And luckily, she looked at me and was like, it's time I leave. She's like.

[Christine]

She's like, actually, I'd rather do nothing more than leave. Goodbye.

[Leona]

Yeah, but no, it just. It's a Weir. I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's just like. I don't know. It feels like.

[Christine]

Listen, Uranus is in Gemini. Things are topsy turvy. It's. It's a wild time. Well, is that why you drink, though? Is it Allison's and her delayed departure, or is it just the general malaise?

[Leona]

I think the general malaise. I. Because part of me is like, maybe I just need to leave the house. But then when I leave the house, I'm like, I'd rather just be home. Maybe I'm.

[Christine]

Then you're in the June gloom. Yeah. I was going to say, usually that kind of. Yeah. One of something.

[Leona]

One of the things that made me happy this week, though, to try to keep it happy. Oh, and then my Tamagotchi died, as I told you yesterday or two days ago. Whatever.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Leona]

It was my longest streak I've had with one. I bought a new one. So.

[Christine]

Do they die forever? You can't, like, reset them.

[Leona]

So I did Because I think I'm depressed. I think you could probably. I think the battery just died and I was so lazy. I just bought another one.

[Christine]

Oh, okay. Okay. Where's the other one? Is it in a drawer? Is it, like, out the window?

[Leona]

I buried her in my drawer.

[Christine]

Oh.

[Leona]

And then I really.

[Christine]

I thought you meant you literally buried her. That took me a second to understand that you are not literally saying you buried her.

[Leona]

No, I think I was.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Leona]

I was getting bored of. Of her look, and so I just needed a new. A new look, so.

[Christine]

So you replaced your own child?

[Leona]

Yeah, but then the last one was such a long streak. This is another thing that, like, I think comes with the, like, it's like the mild symptoms of disinterest or depression or whatever it would be. But I got a new Tamagotchi and I was like. But the other one, I just spent so much time on. Like, now I don't really want to touch this one. Like, I just. Oh, wow.

[Christine]

You do sound like Liana today.

[Leona]

Yeah, I think I'm just feeling whiny, you know?

[Christine]

Yeah, I get it. I mean, especially with the sensory stuff, you know, That'll push you over the edge.

[Leona]

Yeah. I was really proud of myself that I kept it going for so long, but.

[Christine]

Well, good for you. I mean, don't let that. Don't let that streak be. Be diminished, you know, I'll try anyway.

[Leona]

I don't know. I'm feeling.

[Christine]

What are you drinking? Is there pepe? Something peppy you got?

[Leona]

No, it's just water. Just water.

[Christine]

Shit.

[Leona]

But I was going to say the thing that makes me happy is that yesterday I went to a coffee shop, and the cashier there, which, by the way, shout out Three Sisters Coffee. They're actually. They're listeners of the show.

[Christine]

They're actually three sisters.

[Leona]

I was like, whoa, There are actually three sisters. But they're. They're like one of my favorite coffee shops in the area. And I went there, and whoever their cashier was that day, they were so excited. Every person who was, like, up next and paying for something, I guess, like, the local paper had just come out and they were like, oh, wait, can I read your horoscope to you? And every person got their horoscope read

[Christine]

to them when they were playing that. Oh, my God, that's so fun.

[Leona]

This energy was exactly what I needed. And then it ended up turning into, like. It was very, like. It felt very small town because it made everybody in the coffee shop talk about, like, their sign and, like, what their horoscope said. And then you could hear, like, the baristas and the people sitting down. I'll be like, well, what's your big three? Well, what's your big three? It was very L. A.

[Christine]

And then you all ended up on Overheard. LA is where I was going next. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely on Instagram. Yeah.

[Leona]

Anyway, that's the reason why I drink this week. But why do you drink, Christine?

[Christine]

Oh, I love that. Well. Well, you have water. I actually got myself. This is my new thing. Okay. I've got myself a little Matcha Love. I'm in the new. I'm in the match zone. Finally. Took me, like, several years to actually try it and get into it, but you're not there yet. I mean, I'm trying to lower my caffeine intake so the coffee, you know, I'm trying to kind of do less coffee in the afternoon. So let me just open this so it's not a sound nightmare for everybody. Hold on. Cincinnati or Kentucky still has a good old plastic. You know, everything's still really hardcore plastic over here.

[Leona]

You don't have the sugar cane straws yet.

[Christine]

We still got plastic bags in grocery stores.

[Leona]

I didn't. We canceled that, like, I think in the. In the last couple months. I think LA is now all paper.

[Christine]

I think they canceled that a long time ago.

[Leona]

Did they? In the last few weeks, I've noticed.

[Christine]

Oh, I see. Okay. Well, I think the thing was that you had to pay for them. We still have free plastic bags. Like, they just, like, load them up and you get, like, six bags with one thing of eggs in it. And I'm like, okay, thanks. Anyway. Why do I drink this week? Well, you know what? I'm really excited about this. We don't often do sort of like, immers, immersive sponsors, but no CD is so much more to me than just a sponsor. They are a really important service for people who suffer with ocd, which is kind of what we're discussing today. Not kind of. It is literally what we're discussing today. And they reached out and said, hey, we'd love to do some, like, a little segment. And I said, oh, my gosh. Like, normally that kind of doesn't flow with the show, but, like, hello, this is perfect. We talk about these things anyway. And I'm just such a fan of what they do that I thought this was perfect. And I thought I would just, you know, say, this week I drink. Because OCD is really, really, really, really tough. And it's like when you're in those places where things are Even harder. Like, you're saying, like, the general, like, malaise or just the day to day stress, then, like, OCD finds the vulnerable spots and, like, rears its ugly head, at least for me. And that's, like, my experience. And so, interestingly, one of the reasons this podcast even got started is because I had ocd. We. I didn't know this. I had not been diagnosed.

[Leona]

Wait, this is my first time hearing this? I think.

[Christine]

So I really wasn't. So the re. I guess it's sort of tangential, but what I mean to say is that my interest in true crime sort of began as a result of my ocd because I would fixate on true crime as this sort of control. Right. Like, I would. I would watch all this true crime and consume all this true crime media and say, okay, well, the more I understand this, the less likely it'll happen to me. Like, I had this very. And I don't talk about that often on the show, but that is actually what my therapist back in 2018. So the year after we started the show, my therapist was like, I'm gonna suggest something gently, and it sounds a lot like maybe you are exhibiting signs of ocd. And I said, well, that doesn't make sense because, you know, I mean, OCD for us growing up was like Adrian

[Leona]

Monk, you know, like the extreme, you know, the stereotype, all that, the tidiness,

[Christine]

the cleanliness, the washing the hands, the checking the stove. And those are things that people do, right? Yeah.

[Leona]

I feel like a lot of us grew up thinking, like, OCD was kind of like the butt of a joke if you were doing something a little, like, overzealous or whatever.

[Christine]

Right. And it became like, kind of just a part of the vernacular to say, like, I'm so ocd, you know, and we all. We all kind of have seen that happen, but in real life, it's actually just so much scarier. Like, it. It's so much internal happening that you don't necessarily realize, like, how. How damaging it can be until you start, like, what, we're unpacking it. Yeah.

[Leona]

If you feel comfortable. What were the signs that were obvious enough to your therapist in 2018?

[Christine]

Oh, yeah. Okay. I love this. So that's a great question, because I really fonder on it. I was like, I don't think that makes sense. Like, I don't have ocd. And she said, okay, you know, we'll talk about it. But she'd actually done her dissertation on very specific signs of ocd, so if anyone knew it was her she was like, we'll. We'll bring it. Let me bring my PhD along. Yeah, we'll circle back. But basically, she asked if there were ever times that I took actions that fell out of my control, sort of like compulsions, because I felt that they would make some sort of difference, you know, like exhibit a control over my life somehow. So, for example, when I was little, I would picture. This is trigger warning for the whole show, but, like, specifically for. For intrusive thoughts. I would picture my mom. Every time she'd go to the grocery store and I would watch my brother and sister, I would envision her dying in a really horrible, fiery car wreck. Because if I did that very viscerally and really believed it, then she would come home safely and like, the worst possible, you know, fun little trap I invented. Because then of course she'd come home and I'd go, excellent. I saved her. I mean, I started this when I was like six or. No.

[Leona]

And then that just.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Leona]

And then it just makes you think, like, well, the last time I actually did save her. So now I have to keep doing it.

[Christine]

Yep. Magical thinking. And then you start kind of. You build patterns and your brain is just trying to find, like, structure and safety. And so it goes. Okay, well, you know, if you tap the drawer every time you close it, like, you'll be. And you don't necessarily even consciously realize it, right? So it's like, oh, I have to turn this. The light switch off six times to know that I turned off the light. Or, you know, I used to check, as, you know, under every bed and inside every closet for murderers. Because if I didn't, then I would get murdered. And I was, like, so sure of it that, like, at hotels I would be. I mean, I found Lemon this way. This is literally how I found. Oh, my God. How did I not think to bring Lemon into the equation? That's literally how I found Lemon was through my ocd.

[Leona]

I know, I know. I remember. Wow. But at the time, I. It's also. It's an. I don't know if I'm really saying anything all that profound here, but sometimes, I guess OCD can look like signs that other people will happily excuse away because it justifies.

[Christine]

Oh, absolutely.

[Leona]

It's justified by the environment. Like, yeah, we're all staying in a weird Airbnb. Like, I'm not going to judge you for looking in the closets.

[Christine]

And so, like, checking the more especially with the true crime. Right. So then I would dig into the true crime and then I would say, okay, if I. I mean, this is one of the worst ones. This is the one where my therapist said, we need to work on this, which is where exposure and response prevention comes in, which is what no CD specializes in. And ERP therapy really saved me because I was doing so much true crime research at that point and working a full time job. And I told her, I've never said this before on the show, but it's true. The biggest, the biggest sticking point for me at the time, that was almost like. It was like activating all my autoimmune stuff. Like, I was so sick. What I did was every time I researched a story, I would envision myself as the victim or the family member of the victim. And I would, like I did with my mom when she was young, I would envision the entire thing, like, as if this were to happen to Blaze or my mom or my child or, you know. And so toll on you.

[Leona]

Yeah, yeah.

[Christine]

And it was like every story I would have to, like. And I would tell her, well, that's, that's empathy. And she would be like, no, that's, you know, it's more, it's. It's something beyond that. Like, you're telling yourself it's empathy. You're. You're making it make sense in your own head, but in reality, like, why do you do that? And we got to the core of it and it was that I thought, well, if I know all the ways that someone can be harmed, I can avoid all of the ways that someone can be harmed. And it, like, which is how so

[Leona]

many women especially get into true crime, by the way. Like, yes, it's very common.

[Christine]

It is like a control thing. Right? That's at least what I believe. Yeah, 100%. And so it really wrapped up and that became, as I recognized it and was able to like, pull away and realize, like, oh, that magical thinking isn't real. You can appreciate a story and empathize with a story without, like putting yourself in the story. In fact, I think that almost takes away from the story. Right. That just became almost a turning point for me. Well, no, it did become a turning point for me and I've worked on my OCD ever since, and it really opened up avenues to understand my anxiety, my depression. I think a lot of that was like, they're all very closely related. And so anyway, I've just loved no CD for as many years as I've known it, which is several. And it's, it's just a really cool resource. So if you do know anyone who may be going through this, or if you're hearing this and going, oh, boy, that sounds familiar. You know, just check in an ocd, It's a really, really open, safe environment. They're. They. It's very professional, and they. They. They know what they're doing. And not every therapist necessarily is experienced in that way, so. We love nocd. We're so thankful for them. And I'm just really. This was one of my, like, very. I. I just was like, I'm in. I'm in. Sign me up. You know, so.

[Leona]

Perfect. Perfect. Well, I'm. I'm glad you're doing better and not suffering in silence. It sounds like you didn't even know you were suffering.

[Christine]

That's right. That's the craziest part, is so much of it is internal that you don't even realize. And then when you start saying it out loud, you're like, other. Do other people. And then you. Yeah, that's when it kind of becomes more of like, community. And I know the ladies on tangents. Gals have talked about OCD a lot. And of course, I went to Jerry's Bachelorette, and, like, everyone was like, oh, my God, what type of OCD have.

[Leona]

You know, I mean, I. I originally only thought you had the, like, the tapping on the. On the Google Drive, but that's.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah, I always forgot that was even.

[Leona]

Yeah, well, Christina and I shared. Would share on drive, like, our, like, documents and stuff. And so I would see her tapping and highlighting the text that she was talking about all the time, but to a point where, like, I couldn't read.

[Christine]

No, you can't. It's insufferable.

[Leona]

And so I was like, what are you doing? Or I thought the computer was glitching, but had I not even known or seen that because of Google Drive showing it to me, I don't think I would even know that you suffer at all. Like, it's.

[Christine]

Yeah, there's little things that I did that to this day. Like, you just said that. And I went, oh, I didn't really ever relate that to ocd. But, yeah, you're totally right.

[Leona]

It was, like, my only insight into it at all. And then at the time when I was like, what happened? You were like, oh, ocd. And it just.

[Christine]

I'm sure that's what it is. Yeah.

[Leona]

But I just took it as like. Oh, just like a. Like a habit or something. But. But it really. I mean, we've known each other for a long time, and I barely know the surface of what you go through with that. So, like, it is very much an isolating.

[Christine]

Yeah, it can be. Situation. That's true. Yeah. And I, I. So I jumped on the experience to. To chat about it because I thought, you know, can't hurt to. To discuss things more, you know, and. Yeah. Help anyone who might be feeling anything even remotely ocd, whether. And you know what? Sometimes it is the hygiene, you know, and the. The. That's not that that also manifests. I mean, you watch things like hoarders, and now I'm realizing I had a hoarding OCD tendency. Anyway, it's fine. This is for the next no CD segment. We'll do it another time. We could do a whole podcast probably. But anyway, thank you. Nocd. And that is why I drink, and that is why I go to therapy, and that is why I love ERP therapy.

[Leona]

Good.

[Christine]

And then that's that. That's that on that.

[Leona]

Well, I am very happy for you. This is also, for the thousandth time in our lives, let's normalize therapy and shout out to all of the therapists out there who are taking care of us because society needs you so badly all the time.

[Christine]

While also taking care of themselves, you know?

[Leona]

Also taking care of themselves. I. I have therapy tomorrow, and I can't wait to use the bruise.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. I used it this morning and I said that, and my therapist was. Didn't even, like, flinch. And I'm like, am I that poetic that I don't even make you flinch anymore?

[Leona]

You just went right into the skin. Yeah, I said you just.

[Christine]

You just feel me that deeply, you know?

[Leona]

I'm very excited to use the bruise. Metaphor. Simile.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. Thank you so much for asking. A simile is when you use like or as, and a metaphor is the other one. Right.

[Leona]

Yeah. I've always thought metaphor is the more poetic one because you have to, like, think about it.

[Christine]

Yeah. Because you just say what it is and then the other person has to figure it out.

[Leona]

Simile is holding your hand through it.

[Christine]

That's right.

[Leona]

Yeah. The lazy analogy. You know, I'm like a bruise. Ah. I am a bruise.

[Christine]

Please.

[Leona]

Oh, wow. I felt it.

[Christine]

Poke me. Like a bruise.

[Leona]

Can you.

[Christine]

Can you sign my bruise?

[Leona]

Wait, you didn't tell us what you are drinking, did you?

[Christine]

I did. My matcha.

[Leona]

Your matcha. Your matcha. That's right.

[Christine]

Which is new to me. And I'm like. I'm like, you're. I'm like a. A parent who just discovered the hip new thing. I'm like, guys, have you Heard about

[Leona]

this, you know, I, I, I want to like it so bad. Purely for the color. Just tastes like I'm licking dirt.

[Christine]

It's kind of like eating grass. And, like, for me, I find that an enjoyable experience. And I think it's a. It's one of those you either like or you don't. Yeah.

[Leona]

I, I, I don't, I don't know who tried it first and went, this is really killer. Like, someone. It's. I feel like it's like you have to have, like, the.

[Christine]

Well, it's sort of a green tea. So it's like the, it's like a green tea, but then a little more.

[Leona]

Yeah, but I feel like, I feel like it's like. What's the right word? I don't know. I don't know. I'll think of it later, I guess. I know it's like people have been drinking it forever and ever and ever, but, like, oh, it's like the cilantro gene to me where I'm like, I feel like you either have it or you don't.

[Christine]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Leona]

And I do not.

[Christine]

Yeah. And I, I don't think I did for a long time. I think it was. Not for me. It's only now that I'm like, kind of taste. I think it is an acquired taste. And it. I don't know. I just got to a point when I was like, maybe I'll try it and I'll like it. And I had some lavender in it, like, how you do. And I was like, this is good.

[Leona]

Lavender makes everything.

[Christine]

That kind of helps.

[Leona]

Horrible.

[Christine]

Yeah. Then it tastes like I was eating a whole garden.

[Leona]

Yeah. That I can't do. You gotta. It's a tape. You gotta do a tasteful lavender pump. Yeah.

[Christine]

It can't be the. Too much. That really ruins it for me anyway. But yes, that is my beverage of choice today.

[Leona]

I'm proud of you. I wish I had something more interesting than water, but, man, it was. We were struggling over here. I, it was. Nobody slept well in this house last night, so it was.

[Christine]

You know what's so funny is Mondays have been. Oh, no, today's.

[Leona]

It's Wednesday.

[Christine]

Yeah, today's Wednesday. Hot. Lol. Okay. I was gonna say Mondays have been hard to sleep because remember the last two. I had McDonald' coffee the Monday night. But then last night we ordered McDonald's, and I was like, oh, my God, I'll get a giant iced coffee. And then I saw the reel that Megan made where my spinny loading wheel is just going above My forehead. And I was like, I cannot order an iced coffee today. So I did not. And I did not have one last night, so I slept great for once. I'm sorry that you did not, but I think I've realized that the McDonald's coffee was the problem all along.

[Leona]

I'm so proud of you. I. Well, that makes sense. You would have some matcha and chill out.

[Christine]

Trying to low, like, lower shift, lower

[Leona]

gears, you know, I'll. You know, here's another. I'll. I'll end on this one. One of the reasons I drink. I think I've officially hit the age, and I'm currently in the process of denial. I think I've officially hit the age where caffeine affects me, like, gives me palpitations and stuff. I really didn't have to deal with that for a long time. I was very lucky.

[Christine]

Okay. So I think that might be what's happening to me too, because I suddenly feel so old when I drink caffeine because I'm like, ah, My body can't handle, like.

[Leona]

Thought I was having a panic attack. I was like.

[Christine]

Was having a panic attack.

[Leona]

I literally texted Allison yesterday. I was like, I think it's Xanax o'. Clock. Like, I. Something's wrong. And I had been at the coffee shop and drank, like, three of, like, three drinks.

[Christine]

Yeah, My. My. I was like, putting stuff in my, like, journal thing. And I was like, I can't tell why my body is shaking and I'm buzzing and I feel like jumping out of my skin. And it was like, have you had caffeine today? And I was like, well, no, but I did have a cold brew and a cup of hot tea and, like, a McDonald's iced coffee and whatever. Coffee, Espresso beans. Like, yes. Yeah, it really will you up, I

[Leona]

think I wasn't aware. I've never, like, caffeine really has never affected me, especially in the world of, like, keeping me awake. Like, it's never done that.

[Christine]

And I think ADHD also is messes with that. Right?

[Leona]

Yeah. So I've always heard it's the reverse effect where, like, it actually makes you sleepy. And I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know I could always have, like, a whole can of soda and then go to bed.

[Christine]

Like, wow.

[Leona]

But it never kept me awake. I never. I always thought that was like, people were just, like, making up and they're like, oh, I have this test. I have to drink a bunch of red.

[Christine]

Worse though, isn't it?

[Leona]

What's that.

[Christine]

That's the worst though, isn't it? Because caffeine really affects me. Which, like, I pretend like I don't know until it's too late, but like, yeah, that feeling of like that buzzing. And then try it at like two in the morning and you're like, I have a test tomorrow. It's like, oh, you'll go crazy.

[Leona]

It was. It's. It's a new experience for me and I'm very sorry.

[Christine]

I don't know what that indicates. Like, maybe you're more in tune with your body. Maybe positive.

[Leona]

That's a really nice way to put it. I. I think I'm just getting old now. Like, I just. I've never.

[Christine]

Maybe in our old age, our bodies were like, we're actually done putting up with this. Like, we're gonna tell you about it now, you know?

[Leona]

Well, it didn't. It literally, like last night I was like, maybe it's that I drank so much caffeine, like it's a new, new, like as of 24 hours, like, because I literally was texting Allison about how I was like, I'm having a full blown anxiety attack. What the is going on with me? Like, I'm freaking out. And then I was like, oh, I think I just. Maybe I had caffeine. This is what people have always told me happens to them. Maybe it's me.

[Christine]

But yeah, it's weird though, like, because you're like, wait a minute. Yeah, because you.

[Leona]

You just flip the switch. I'm now excited.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's hard. Well, I'm sorry. That sucks. It's not fun to be over caffeinated, even though it sounds fun.

[Leona]

Well, now I'm on the journey of figuring out that everything I've been drinking and eating probably has like insane caffeine. And I never noticed because I'm drinking water a little out of fear. I'm like, what, What. What if that happens again? Like, what. What else have I been drinking that has caffeine? And honestly, probably everything. So, I mean, as long as you're

[Christine]

not doing major energy drinks all the time.

[Leona]

I know. Just that feeling was horrible. I, like, really freaked me out. Anyway, everybody, I'm so sorry. We're like, little downward spirals today.

[Christine]

A lot of problems out there today.

[Leona]

What are. Yeah, right in. What are your problems this week?

[Christine]

Please bring them on in.

[Leona]

I mean, it's literally called. And that's why we drink and I can't be happy every week, folks. Sorry.

[Christine]

Yeah, we try going.

[Leona]

I can't even have my. My tease. Let me paint a scene for you, Please. I went to the dog park yesterday. Allison dropped me in Hankoff, and then she was going to come pick us up. She came to pick us up, and she was in the nastiest attitude I've ever seen in my entire life. And she was like, I'm hungry right now.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah, that's not good.

[Leona]

Thank God we had hellofresh waiting for us. She was able to eat. It was. Oh, my God. It was. She did so quickly. Oh, my God. Attitude changed it.

[Christine]

Good thing that hellofresh is here to fix Allison's shitty attitude and my day.

[Leona]

Oh, my God. I was like, I'm scared. You should have seen her.

[Christine]

I mean, frankly, it's fixed my attitude many times.

[Leona]

She made it so quickly. It was on the. On the. On the table very quickly.

[Christine]

And then you. You make the food, and then you feel empowered, like a chef, because you're like, wait, I made this. Look, I cooked this. And then it's like you get a boost in on every level. It's like a morale boost, and you're not hungry anymore. And you. You are, like, nutritionally fulfilled also. It's not just tasty. Yeah, I' so glad. I'm so glad. It's just stepping in to save your relationship and stuff like that, you know, Every day.

[Leona]

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[Christine]

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[Leona]

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[Christine]

It's like a kind of absurd.

[Leona]

It's insane. Like, there just will never be able to sing enough praises to Zip Recruiter.

[Christine]

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[Leona]

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[Christine]

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[Leona]

But I do have a story for you. And this was probably another reason why I had a full blown anxiety attack at the coffee shop. Because I was doing my notes and halfway through doing my notes, I realized that. That the. All the notes I had gathered were about two different locations under the same name.

[Christine]

Stop.

[Leona]

And I thought I was tripping balls. I was like, why the.

[Christine]

Of course you had an anxiety.

[Leona]

Jesus. It was basically what I'm gonna cover for you. I was thinking like, oh, I was kind of reminiscing about my Idaho trip and. Which I never really discussed with anyone except the fact that I slept in a potato. But.

[Christine]

Well, we talked about it in yappy hour. You did a rundown in yappy hour.

[Leona]

Okay, good, good. I forgot about that. But I was thinking about it and I was like, what are some haunted places? Blah, blah. And I literally drove past this place while I was there. And I even took a picture of it because I was like, this feels like a landmark if there was to be one. And so it's in Boise, and it's the Egyptian theater.

[Christine]

Oh.

[Leona]

And I, like, I have a picture of my phone.

[Christine]

Egyptian theaters.

[Leona]

Well, so there's seven.

[Christine]

Okay. I was gonna say there's. Surely there are more than two. Yeah.

[Leona]

Talk about trip and balls. And I'm like, oh, the Egyptian theater. The Egyptian Theater. And I'm like, this is definitely multiple places.

[Christine]

This one's in Cairo, Egypt.

[Leona]

The ultimate Egyptian theater.

[Christine]

The real Egyptian theater.

[Leona]

So the two that I got stuck on were one in Idaho and one in Illinois. That was. Those were the two that I kept getting.

[Christine]

Oh, and that's confusing.

[Leona]

Yes, to me.

[Christine]

To me. A person who doesn't know geography.

[Leona]

To me as well, they both start with an I. That's enough for me.

[Christine]

Sorry. Now I'm lost.

[Leona]

So I'm here to tell you that this will be a two parter because I did all the notes anyway and I was like this. It's going somewhere. So this week I'm covering one of the.

[Christine]

Such a trigger for me, people. We're not. We're gonna m. Remembers. I know. I don't remember. Mine is not a two parter this week. Do not stress.

[Leona]

I'll remember because I've already done the notes and I'll remember when I have to record again, I'll go, oh, thank God. I already did the notes.

[Christine]

So yeah, you know what's so annoying is when I do that and then I realize I had not like I had them, I just didn't read them. Yeah, it's fucking infuriating. So anyway. Yes, go ahead.

[Leona]

So this is one of two Egyptian theaters and I'm not going to do all seven. Please don't make me do another multi parter.

[Christine]

ALL SCREAM I didn't make you do that. But I won't do it again.

[Leona]

Well, if I find enough information, I'd do it. But these. When I typed in Egyptian Theater Haunted and started like doing a little Google a couple days ago, it was only those two locations. The other two don't seem to be very haunted or popular, so. So no shade. Okay, so here's the first one. This one's in Boise, Idaho, and it opened in 1927. Sidebar. They were so similar that I didn't notice for so long. And while doing my research, they're both in the 1920s. They both have the same designs, they both have the same histories to why they're called the Egyptian Theater. They both had the same kind of timeline. Oh my God, are they copycats?

[Christine]

Like, did one make it at the same time?

[Leona]

Is it. No, but I was just like that. And all the ghosts are kind of similar. So spoiler alert.

[Christine]

And dvd.

[Leona]

The next two episodes will be kind of similar. Sorry about that.

[Christine]

But they're vhs. Yeah.

[Leona]

Just when you're listening next week, imagine this episode again and be like, oh, I can see why you thought you were like.

[Christine]

I mean, I'm already. I. I'm already seeing every. It's already sounding like the same place.

[Leona]

So this was open in 1927. Fun fact. I had to throw some fun facts in here. The very first movie that it played was a silent Film. And it was. I don't, I hope you've heard of this Don Juan.

[Christine]

Oh, Don Juan, yes.

[Leona]

Starring John Barrymore.

[Christine]

I didn't know him. Weirdly, I don't know who that is.

[Leona]

You got it.

[Christine]

I mean, is that Drew Barrymore's like,

[Leona]

like, like the famous family? Yes.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't think I knew his first name, which is so weird.

[Leona]

Christine, one day, one day we. Oh my God, we have to deep dive on the Barrymore family tree.

[Christine]

I don't know this. I don't know this. I'm out of, I'm out of the loop. Like, I know from Drew Barrymore pov like a little bit. And that's it. Like, I don't, I don't think I knew all the lore behind. I know.

[Leona]

Oh, so she's in like a, like the, like she's like the fourth generation of Barrymores that are all in the industry.

[Christine]

Oh. So I've seen those creepy photos where she's like in all the like elite. Like, like, ugh. It's just creepy, creepy all the way back where she's like a little girl and she's like sitting on the laps of these grown ass men and like, it's like, yeah, her story.

[Leona]

Isn't he true? Hollywood for sure.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Leona]

But no, she knows her. Her great grandfather was the first of the very. And, and the grandma. They got married. They were a power, power couple in Hollywood four generations ago.

[Christine]

Okay, and what's his name again? Sorry, I know I.

[Leona]

His name was Maurice Barrymore.

[Christine]

Oh, but what's the guy in Don Juan?

[Leona]

Oh, John. We'll get John. Don't worry. Now that I'm on this. So Maurice. And it was like Georgiana or something. They got married. And neither of them, by the way, have the last name Barrymore. One of them, their last name was. It was Maurice Blythe and Georgiana Drew. And then they ended up having three kids who were like very famous power siblings in the industry. And all of them took on the name Barrymore. Actually, I think the original couple, they've all been Barrymore's as their stage name. But so the family started as Blythes and Drews. Which fun fact, I love that. Our favorite, the Queen, she has the perfect name because she combined all three and her legal name is Drew Blythe Barrymore.

[Christine]

See, that's cool.

[Leona]

That's.

[Christine]

That sounds good.

[Leona]

But so they had three kids. All of them were super duper famous. They all married people also in the industry. I think they had had some of them had kids in the industry, but one of them then had John Jr. Who is Drew's dad.

[Christine]

Okay, got it, got it, got it,

[Leona]

got it, got it.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Leona]

So I did actually know that way better than I thought I did.

[Christine]

I'm honestly, like, amazed. I don't even know how you just did that.

[Leona]

Just pulled that out.

[Christine]

Okay, man, forget the Duggars. Like, geez, you know, everyone's family tree.

[Leona]

John Barrymore starts with a J. That's the only reason I was able to.

[Christine]

Okay. Oh, Jay. I was like, okay. I don't get it. Oh, Duggars, of course.

[Leona]

Okay. So he starred in Don Juan, which I've always heard that phrase, like, when, like, my parents or adults their age would talk about, oh, he's such a Don Juan, like a playboy. And I was like, what the fuck does that really mean? Who the hell's Don Juan? Because I never saw the movie. I'm so sorry to the film junkies out there, but this is where I tell you, here's a fun fact about the movie Don Juan. It's the film that has the most kisses in film history. And Don Juan kisses. I want you to guess how many times he kisses a woman in this movie.

[Christine]

30.

[Leona]

191.

[Christine]

Jesus. Wow. So. So no kidding.

[Leona]

It was like, the average was a kiss every less than a minute. Like, every, like, 50 seconds or something.

[Christine]

Jesus.

[Leona]

And it could be, like, a peck on the cheek or whatever, but that, man, was a kissing. Fun fact. It was also the first. This is a, quote, first film with a completely synchronized soundtrack.

[Christine]

Oh, okay.

[Leona]

So in the 1920s, certainly a big movie to play as your first at the premiere of this theater.

[Christine]

Agreed. Lots of smooching.

[Leona]

Agreed. The. Lots of smooching. Yeah. And in the 1920s, like, so. Not modest.

[Christine]

No.

[Leona]

I guess it was also flapper era. Right, so.

[Christine]

Oh, right.

[Leona]

So why it's named the Egyptian Theater like the other one. Because a few years earlier, like, five years earlier, King Tut's tomb was discovered.

[Christine]

I see.

[Leona]

And apparently, unbeknownst to me, the country, our nation, our fallen nation,

[Christine]

May she rest in peace.

[Leona]

Recipes. Apparently, in the 1920s, after King Tut's tomb was discovered, people, like, had a crazed Egypt fascination.

[Christine]

Yes, yes. Like. Like to the extreme. Like, they were eating muscles. Powdered mummy and stuff like that.

[Leona]

Huh?

[Christine]

Oh, my. People would, like, eat powdered mummy. And it was like, they would go into these places, these, like, white men, and would go into these places and, like, ravage the tombs and then come home with, like, all These trinkets and, like, display them. And it would be like body parts or like a bone from a tomb. And then it got to the point of like, oh, people would sell like, dried mummy. And it's like, of course, half that is probably fake anyway, or more. But it's like, also, stop it, it Eve. You know, it's just all gross.

[Leona]

But, yeah, that was it.

[Christine]

Yeah. There's a huge Egypt phase in the 20s. Yeah. And, and also, and the kid who discovered King Tut's tomb, by the way, was never given proper credit because he discovered it. Ran back. I met him actually. He's like 100 years old.

[Leona]

You met the guy who found King Tut's tomb and you didn't fucking talk about it? This is the goddamn.

[Christine]

See, I'm like, hey, you need to buy me a story worth subscription. If you want the, if you want.

[Leona]

The real deets of yours will be the ancient texts found in an attic. When you're like. When Leona's like, oh, what could, what could I find out about my mom? I met the man who discovered King Tut's tomb.

[Christine]

Okay. To be fair, it got upstaged by the UFO I saw a few days later. So I felt like that it's like

[Leona]

you're a cartoon character. It's like every episode of spongebob is more outrageous than the last.

[Christine]

I, I, I just, I just, I. We were at this cool place and they make these beautiful statues and, and it was a family lineage going all the way back to the guy who found. And he's like, I was telling you, he's like 100 something years old. And he. There was a room in the back where it was like just his statues that he had made. And so of course they were like, crazy expensive. But they still had pictures of him in the old newspapers from the 20s because it was like young boy accompanying, like, Egyptologist, and it's like this white dude with some mustache who gets all the credit, but this, like, little Egyptian kid found King Tut's tomb, and he's just a really old man. And I bought, but I spent way too much money.

[Leona]

Not a white man. I'm glad.

[Christine]

Yeah, he made a, he made a Sekhmet statue that I, that I purchased.

[Leona]

So it's like you're. It's incredible. It's incredible the way the words pour out of you.

[Christine]

I don't know, it just feels like I'm like a senile old man sometimes.

[Leona]

I agree. And I feel like in a different way, I feel like a senile old man, when I hear you tell stories like that, and I go, that. Is that normal these days?

[Christine]

It's not fair. I know, but it's like. I just don't know. I just. I don't. I don't. I don't want to. I don't know.

[Leona]

You're one degree away from King's body. I want you. You just didn't say anything.

[Christine]

It never came up.

[Leona]

Anyway, you would have done wonderfully in the 20s because the entire country was obsessed with Egypt. Yeah.

[Christine]

Actually, the whole. All of the Western world, really.

[Leona]

Okay. And so because of that, I don't know what was going on, but every goddamn theater in the world was like, well, we're. We need to design ourselves as this big, grand palace. Because this was that at a turning point in the country where everyone was trying to break away from either the Wild west or they were. You know, the Great Depression had yet to happen, so everything was, like, grandeur. And they were like, we have to make everything glamorous and wonderful.

[Christine]

Splendor and, like, Roaring twenties, like, all that, like, excitement. Yeah.

[Leona]

And so they were like, well, how do we do this up? What's big? What's big? Oh, Egypt. Ah. So every single thing decided that their architecture was going to be Egypt.

[Christine]

I see.

[Leona]

I'm sure I'm butchering that. If you're an architect, you didn't hear any of this, but a lot of designers got paid at that time to do. To have, like, Egyptian motifs.

[Christine]

It was, like, all the rage.

[Leona]

Yeah. Hieroglyphics, which now, 100 years later, I'm like.

[Christine]

Like, what do they say?

[Leona]

But back then, it was no one. Everyone thought it was, I think, just,

[Christine]

like, it was an aesthetic for sure.

[Leona]

I'm sure they thought it was a compliment to the splendor that is Egypt or something.

[Christine]

I mean, it is if you're not fucking robbing them and like. Like putting it in your bot and, like, eating mummies. Like, stop it.

[Leona]

You know, I've never heard a better example of, like, how. Sorry, I'm about to be on my soapbox here.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah.

[Leona]

I'm just gonna say there's a very heavily overlapping Venn diagram all the way a hundred years ago at the very least, based on the point you just made, that white men and exploitation and violence were just always overlapping each other just a little bit. I mean, true crime content was. Was just always meant to be. If they're going to another place just to eat mummies, to say that they did. Are you kidding me?

[Christine]

Are you new here?

[Leona]

M. I know, but I'm just, like. Just another goddamn point. Like, I'm waiting for. I'm so tired.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it's. The thing is, like, I really get frustrated looking back, because I feel like nowadays there's such more. There's much more clarity around, like. Like, what it actually means and the actual harm that things like cultural appropriation have. And then, you know, putting, like, the spin of. That's how, like, we got all the cursed mummy movies, right? Like, there was never a cursed mummy. This is just, like, what. People went down there, discovered these things, like, basically, like, raided, raped the place of all of this. Brought it back to, like, show off and be like, oh, look at my exotic collection. You know, it's. I mean, we've done this to everybody. Whatever. Anyway, yeah, it's just exploitation, but, yeah, so we did that back then. That's super good. And I mean, it's a big deal.

[Leona]

It's stuff I already knew, but I'm just like. Again, like, I'm so tired of hearing about this. I'm sad and not surprised at all.

[Christine]

But the good thing is, like, nowadays, I know it's shocking to everyone's system and so overloading, but it's like, at least it's out in the open now.

[Leona]

At least we're talking about it now.

[Christine]

See it? Yeah.

[Leona]

I'd like to think someone in the 1920s heard that their friend did XYZ or ate powdered money, and they were like, that guy's like, that is not cool. Yeah.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Leona]

That's not. Okay. Okay. So anyway, the building was decked out in Egyptian stuff. There was especially nods to the Book of the Dead, because that was one of the things that was found in the tomb. And so it is a beautiful theater. I mean, it's a beautiful theater. And many theaters were doing this to a point where I'm convinced that all the designers of the time, if email existed, they were in, like, a group chat with each other or group team. Because what are the odds that all over the country, every single theater is now the Egyptian theater that looks.

[Christine]

Well, it's because, like, the aesthetic, it was like. It's like when we. It's like when people discover a new cultural trend, and suddenly it's like, everybody wants to do the. It's like, what it makes me think of is, like, comedy is taking the vowels out of their stupid names.

[Leona]

You know, that's a great.

[Christine]

And then, like, woof or whatever as, like, from the Office as, like, an example of, like, the parody of that, like, it's just absurd. Like, what are you doing? You know? But it's like with the Egyptian thing, it's like, how do we make it Egyptian? Everyone loves the Egyptian stuff. Let's put Egypt on it.

[Leona]

You're totally on top of it.

[Christine]

It's very clever, guys. Well, I think if they were in a chat, hopefully they could have at least been a little more creative. Each of them.

[Leona]

I wish. Because like I'm telling you, 100 years later, I didn't know the difference between them until halfway through.

[Christine]

Yeah. They still haven't differentiated themselves.

[Leona]

There are seven left today. One of them is in la. The Grauman's Egyptian Theater, which I saw one source say that that theater inspired some of the design choices of theater I'm talking about today in Boise. But I don't really know if that's true. I mean, it just sounds like they both went with an Egyptian vibe. I don't know how know. Maybe I just don't. There was not a lot of them for one that. So it was called the Egyptian Theater right away, but by the 30s it was called the Fox Theater. By the 40s it was called the ADA. By the 50s it was called the Plit, which was a chain at the time. Then in the 60s and 70s it was a cineplex. May they rest in peace.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Leona]

And then it later got changed back to the Egyptian Theater, but in the 1970s when it was the cineplex, it was in super duper bad shape, as they all are in my stories. And it was considered for demolition. And it was considered for demolition because it was the end of the 70s and what was coming up, the 80s. So what would they be demolishing for? They wanted shopping.

[Christine]

Cineplex, shopping malls.

[Leona]

And you would think also in the 80s, like, there's no better place in a mall besides a cineplex. So you should.

[Christine]

True. And just add to it food court and cineplex. What more do you need?

[Leona]

So they wanted a mall. It was going to be destroyed, but then some anonymous donor showed up and bought the theater to keep it from destruction.

[Christine]

Anonymous donor?

[Leona]

Anonymous donor. His name was.

[Christine]

It's the Barrymore family. Oh, no.

[Leona]

His name is Earl. He was anonymous for a while and then he came out of the woodwork to go, it's me. Like, he ripped his Scooby Doo mask off.

[Christine]

It's Earl.

[Leona]

So I don't know all the details here and they're not necessarily important, but he. There was some issue about the lease where he bought it, but nothing could Be done until the lease was expired. Like, there could be no, like, revamping it until the lease was expired, which was like 20 years in the future.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[Leona]

He was a real homie and basically bought the building and just let it sit until the lease expired 20 years in the future and then decided to.

[Christine]

That's so silly that you have to let it sit there.

[Leona]

Yeah, there was some paperwork I am not smart enough to understand. But what he did do in the meantime was he put it on the national register of his historic places. So it was a landmark and officially could not be touched unless it was being renovated, which is what happened in 99. So by 99, it was renovated. It's still there today. It's the city's last single screen theater. It's a theater with only one auditorium, one screen. Wow. And this is a quote. It is one of the few surviving movie palaces from the silent film era in the entire country.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[Leona]

Most of them have gone away.

[Christine]

That's really cool. Silent film era.

[Leona]

I love that.

[Christine]

I love that.

[Leona]

We'll be discussing it again next week. Don't worry. Also still standing in the theater is the original 1927 pipe organ that they had opening day.

[Christine]

Oh, shit. The original one.

[Leona]

Yeah. So apparently so few people play the pipe organ these days that they have had events. Like, I think I saw on one website that they have, like a silent film festival still. And like, they still play silent films here. But what they used to do during silent films is they would have live music playing. So that way there'd be music and stuff to accompany the film. So they actually fly out organists just for that festival. So that way you can. Wow. Hear them use the old 1920 organ and still play music behind the silent films.

[Christine]

That must be such a trip.

[Leona]

You know, I would dress like. I mean, you have for the theme. You have to really commit to the aesthetic of this experience.

[Christine]

I love that.

[Leona]

So the theater is also known as the most haunted building in Boise, which. It's so weird that as I drove past it, I was like, I should take a picture of this.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Leona]

I just felt drawn to it.

[Christine]

Did you see anything in the windows when you zoomed in?

[Leona]

No, but I should have. I should have looked at what was playing there, if there was anything playing there. Because I literally went to the movies when I was in Boise and I didn't go there.

[Christine]

Oh, man.

[Leona]

So. Whoops. So it said that it's so haunted. This is again, I'm sure maybe some residual. You were just mentioning this. That like, you know, people will use Egyptian curses when, like, there's.

[Christine]

Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

[Leona]

People say that this theater is so haunted because during construction it said that one of the people on the construction team or one of the designers put an Egyptian artifact and sealed it inside the structure.

[Christine]

Aha.

[Leona]

So that implies you went to Egypt or had something from Egypt and then you put it in the walls and now pissed off all the Egyptians or just the spirits around and it's. It's Egypt's fault.

[Christine]

I guess so.

[Leona]

So there's no evidence of that, but it's just a rumor that, like, oh, this place is extra cursed. Again, no evidence. However, many, many, many say that there is a very active ghost here named Joe. Okay. And Joe worked in the projection room. And in the 1950s, it said he worked there for like 30 years.

[Christine]

They always work in the projection room, these theater ghosts.

[Leona]

It's always the eeriest one who is already isolated, already looming and staring.

[Christine]

That's what it is. And they're in the shadows. They're already behind everybody. They can see everything.

[Leona]

I will tell you if I lived in the 70s or 80s, if you ever time travel and I've, you know, I've also time travel for you, I need you to know that I'm working at either a video rental place or the projection booth.

[Christine]

The way we're gonna scare the out of each other.

[Leona]

Like, it's gonna be the spider man pointing at each other. Oh, my God. I'll be like, what the are you doing here?

[Christine]

Give me. I want to be. I wouldn't do the reels.

[Leona]

Or I work at it, or I work at a diner, but I'm the person who throws the rag over my shoulder and I'm just scrubbing the counters in the middle.

[Christine]

You're just doing something diner aesthetic. Like, you're just like, check the jukebox

[Leona]

to make it work.

[Christine]

Just carrying a pie around and. Yeah. Kick the jig box. Yeah, yeah. Recognizing every milkshake, I bet. Oh, I bet.

[Leona]

But I'm either. It's either a movie based or a diner. I'm doing something wildly stereotypical.

[Christine]

I can handle that.

[Leona]

That. Thank you. Thank you. Just come find me.

[Christine]

I will.

[Leona]

I'm probably scared, so.

[Christine]

Me too.

[Leona]

So, okay, he was there for like 30 years. So one source claimed. Then in the 1950s, he's going up the stairs to the booth. Bam. Dies of a heart attack.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[Leona]

Life comes at you fast.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[Leona]

It seems to be just a story. That's why I'm being a little chummy about it because.

[Christine]

Right.

[Leona]

Who knows? There I didn't see. It was a whole lot of it said it said. And since he allegedly died on the stairs, the projection booth of a heart attack, he is known to be the most active ghost here, but mainly kind of boring things. Lights turn on and off, doors open and close, hearing a lot of noises. He seems to be most experienced in the booth, which would make sense, but also, one could argue that's the creepiest room in the building. Anyway. So you're already primed to think that there's a ghost there. I don't know. Maybe it's both. Maybe Others have said that they actually see him in the balcony seats of the audience.

[Christine]

Oh, so he can finally sit down and watch a movie.

[Leona]

He can finally. He's on his break for once. The big break. He's also seen on the stage, so now he's also just doing a song and dance for big break. He's active not just in the projection booth or in the last rows of the upper balcony, but he's also seen walking through the theater in 1920s clothing until he fades away near the orchestra pit.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Leona]

I don't know if those are the same man.

[Christine]

Yeah. Feels like, why would he be doing all those different things all the time? But okay.

[Leona]

And why is he in a suit now?

[Christine]

Yeah, it feels like he was going to work. I can. I can understand. He's going to work. He's back at work. He's. He's on his break. But like, the rest of it, like dancing on the stage and walking through the. I'm like, what is it?

[Leona]

So you'll note this is where I started getting really confused in my notes because I was like, wait, it just said that Joe stays in the projection booth, but now it's saying that there's this guy from the same era who walks across the stage and then there's this one guy. And then I had to go through every single article and all that, and I had to go find, like, was this one Illinois. Was this one Idaho. Was. And some of them didn't tell me where. So I just have to, like, kind of put two and two together. And critically. So critically. I'm doing my best to unravel a ball of yarn here. I just want you to know, thank God all this is already alleged. I can't imagine this being a true crime case and just accidentally swapping info in two different cases.

[Christine]

You're like, there's four guys. Let's all. Let's pretend they're all the same One,

[Leona]

let's pretend they've all committed heinous crimes.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that should work fine.

[Leona]

So I will say Joe was across the board, definitely Boise.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Leona]

One website that did say the Egyptian Theater in Boise, Idaho had a man in the 19 dressed in 1920s clothes walking across the auditorium. So I'm like, okay, so maybe that's also Joe. Or maybe she's another man. Like, it was kind of like a.

[Christine]

And I wonder if they get mixed up because, like, over time. I mean, you've talked about this before in your stories where like over time it'll sound like someone from your story, but like, maybe they haven't put that together. Or maybe like we're making a connection that's not there. Or like maybe they just think it's the same person.

[Leona]

You make a great point. Please hold. Yeah, you are onto something for sure. So there's also the ghost of a lady in red, of course.

[Christine]

Huh.

[Leona]

And I know that she's different because there's a lady in a different color at the other one. So the lady in red is over here. Lady in red. She's seen in vaudeville era clothing. She's mainly seen on opening nights of big shows. So it's.

[Christine]

Oh, that's fun.

[Leona]

For some reason it's thought that that means she died on opening night. I would argue if she worked here, she must love opening nights of a show. Like, she didn't have to die to just like being here.

[Christine]

I would say. So I feel like of course you show. Of course the other guy shows up on his break watching a movie.

[Leona]

Right?

[Christine]

Right. And of course she shows up on opening night.

[Leona]

I mean, if I died in a theater, now that's where I'm stuck. You better believe I'm dolled the up on opening night because I have nothing

[Christine]

else to do for eternity. Stand but eating popcorn by myself all the time.

[Leona]

Yes, there's also, I have to assume they're talking about the lady in red, but I don't know that it could just be the ghost of another woman. So do what you will with that. There's a ghost of a woman seen walking around the theater, sitting in the audience for first acts only. And by intermission, she's gone. Oh, so she doesn't like a single show long enough to stick around.

[Christine]

Geez, she's a harsh critic.

[Leona]

Sometimes she's grabbed people's arms. Sometimes people have smelled perfume on her. And just like you said, if one person has this experience, one person has this experience, they may not realize that they're talking about the same person. There is a regular haunting here where in the old dressing rooms, people smell a lot of perfume, but then a different source just said, there's a. A woman who smells like perfume over here. And it could be the same woman walking around the whole building.

[Christine]

Right. They got to give me some notes, some tasting notes. You know, is this, like, exactly aromatic? Is this, like.

[Leona]

Is she fruit? Is it fruity? Is it like a bakery? She smell like a cupcake?

[Christine]

What's happening? Yeah, tell me everything.

[Leona]

Also, in this. In the old school dressing rooms, people have felt like they're being watched. They've been grabbed. They see reflections in the mirror of other people there when they're alone in that room. The mirrors in dressing room number three are the scariest because this is a quote. Makeup inexplicably smears itself across the mirrors overnight.

[Christine]

Oh, my God, no. Absolutely not.

[Leona]

And just like that, theater ain't for me. Bye.

[Christine]

I'm out.

[Leona]

There's another ghost. And I want you to remember your point again, because this, I think, is the best example of, like, are we talking about the same ghost in two different sources and they just don't know it? There's a ghost who seems to be a former crew member who allegedly fell onto the stage from the catwalk.

[Christine]

Oh, geez.

[Leona]

Again, no evidence, but that's how the story goes. Many people have said that there are tech issues that now plague the theater, especially on opening nights or during shows, that either the lights will go out or the sound will go out, or it's already out by itself, and it will fix itself.

[Christine]

That's kind of annoying.

[Leona]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Like witches, but annoying. Y.

[Leona]

Is it, like. Are. Like, is the haunting over when it's fixed itself, or was it naturally broken and he hauntingly fixed it?

[Christine]

Or did they fix it? Or did they break it and then. Right, exactly.

[Leona]

Or did he. Yeah, did he break it and then fix it? And now. Now he's stepping away because he's like,

[Christine]

okay, yeah, I'm not gonna just clap for you.

[Leona]

Meanwhile, other sources told me that people have seen the apparition of a crew member working on lights.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Leona]

So that makes me think, could.

[Christine]

Could we.

[Leona]

Could someone have seen him tinkering with the lights and then the lights are glitching over here, and then he fixes them? Did you see him breaking and fixing them?

[Christine]

Interesting.

[Leona]

Or is there a whole other ghost that's messing with the lights and this guy, for the rest of eternity, just has to go around and fix everything behind him?

[Christine]

Now, that would be irritating.

[Leona]

I'd Be over it and no pay.

[Christine]

I'm behind the popcorn. I'm telling you. I'm. Leave me out of it, everybody. I'm behind. I'm eating Mike and I.

[Leona]

Mike and Ikes. Really? That's your. That's your go to.

[Christine]

I just. I like a Mike and Ike every now and then.

[Leona]

I love. I love a Mike and Ike, but only yellow, orange, green. Cannot stand those reds and pinks.

[Christine]

I love them. We can make a perfect pair.

[Leona]

I agree. We had. We felt that way about Starburst, too, I think.

[Christine]

What are your. I just eat all the red 40, okay.

[Leona]

Because I hate those. Those are the only ones I don't want.

[Christine]

It makes my skin break out. Just give it to me. All of it.

[Leona]

It. The orange and yellow makes my pupils dilate. Like, I like. I like the sugar rush, and it's so juicy. I'm like, I can do anything.

[Christine]

Yeah, that. Renee and I used to buy them on Fridays and sit in our car and, like, cry about boys and eat, like, 16 packs of Mike and, like, it was sick. And we'd, like, get ourselves frenzied up into, like, a sugar pie. Well. Well, other high schoolers were, like, out drinking, and we'd just be like, Mike and Ikes. Yeah.

[Leona]

I mean, I would want to be right there with.

[Christine]

You can relate. Yeah.

[Leona]

Love Mike and Ike's. And nobody talks about them.

[Christine]

Wait a minute.

[Leona]

I didn't know that.

[Christine]

See, you said that, and I thought, oh, no. Em's gonna judge me for Mike and Ikes. But you like them. Okay, good.

[Leona]

They don't get nearly enough.

[Christine]

You don't get enough credit.

[Leona]

It's also like, I know a lot of people say they like Swedish fish, but, like, nobody's recognizing that. You throw a little sour on them. It's a sour patch, kid. No one's talking about that.

[Christine]

And they're all the same flavor.

[Leona]

Yes. Boring.

[Christine]

It's like, let's move on.

[Leona]

Quickly, with haste now. Expeditiously.

[Christine]

Expeditiously, stat. When are we stopping?

[Leona]

Immediately.

[Christine]

The dinosaurs.

[Leona]

There's an actress. These all I got from the same source where I just listed all of them. And I was like, thank God for you. There was an actress who was, I guess, in the dressing rooms of the theater and watched her own costume on its hanger move itself around.

[Christine]

Just was someone, like, playing with it, trying it on. Oh, God.

[Leona]

The. I think the website said, like, it looked as if, like, a costumer was examining it or something.

[Christine]

Oh, like, taking a peek at it. Oh, my God.

[Leona]

Like, making sure it was all good to go.

[Christine]

Seams were good.

[Leona]

Imagine being alone in a dressing room. You see that? And then people come in and you can't. You just sound crazy. Each might as well.

[Christine]

And they walk toward your. And you're like, don't go over there.

[Leona]

Handing it to you. And you have to put it on your body. You have to get naked and put it on your body after it's been touched by.

[Christine]

I don't think so. I don't think I have to do that anymore because I quit.

[Leona]

Yeah, I think, actually. Where's the understudy?

[Christine]

Expeditiously. Expeditiously. Their problem now.

[Leona]

There was a security guard who, in the middle of the night, saw the stage curtains open and close themselves.

[Christine]

Now, I don't love that. I wonder if that's someone playing, like, ta da, or if that's, like, someone just doing the tech, you know?

[Leona]

Yeah, I don't. Also, if it was a vaudeville stage at all, I would love for there to be some sort of ghost bit with, like, the vaudeville king.

[Christine]

I mean, you have to.

[Leona]

You know, I looked up vaudeville canes on ebay to see how much one would cost.

[Christine]

Is that what. I was going on and on, and I kept interrupting you, and you were like, all right, finally, I'm going on ebay. No, they're out of here.

[Leona]

I just wanted to know if they really existed because. But apparently they're called vaudeville hooks. I do not know. They're not.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Leona]

And I couldn't find a single one that was big enough for. To wrap around a human body. So I'm starting to think we've got a conspiracy on our hands.

[Christine]

Oh, dear.

[Leona]

Maybe that was just a Looney Tunes

[Christine]

thing you're typing out.

[Leona]

Life size, average circum. Circumference of human versus human man hook. I don't know what I would do with one, but, you know, I want to buy it. And then anyone who bothers me in my own home. Allison. I could just drag it out. Yeah, it would have really worked this morning when I was like, can you leave? I would have just push out the door. Spun her away, man. Okay, so on one investigation, they heard a bunch of laughter. People were also physically touched. They saw a man's outline on the stage, and then they saw another man staring at them from the projection booth.

[Christine]

Ew.

[Leona]

This you'll hate. So there's a former staff member who said that they used a Ouija board. There someone on my side finally, who's like, don't ever play with a Ouija board again. Because without Prompting as soon as they open it up, the planchette by itself went to no. And then the projection door slammed shut on its own and all the lights in the theater went out.

[Christine]

The guy was like, we don't with that.

[Leona]

It's like, who. Who do you think we are?

[Christine]

Who do you like? What are you trying to do, ruin our afterlives? Like, we're already here working on we're right. A portal open.

[Leona]

And also, like 1920s. I imagine they were around for like, the first wave of spiritualism. They know what Ouija board looks like.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. They don't want Zoo Zozo, whatever the around here.

[Leona]

They're like, I've seen what you're capable of. They've played scary movies in this theater. I know.

[Christine]

Devil wears Prada 2 is coming is out. Like, we gotta be so on top of our game this week.

[Leona]

Opening night, to get it together. People have also found props and costumes in moved locations or even creepier, in quote, just slightly changed positions.

[Christine]

Yeah, that's somehow worse.

[Leona]

I just hate it because it's a mind game. Like, they want you.

[Christine]

I was gonna say because then you're gaslit.

[Leona]

Yeah. People have also seen shadows darting around on stage. People have heard their name called. They've heard distant vaudeville music playing. And they've also heard distant applauses.

[Christine]

It's the distant. I don't know if that's worse or better. It's like if there were applause right next to me, I'd be like, thank you. Thank you so much. No, I'm kidding. I would be like, what the. But the far applause is not as scary. The far away vaudeville music, though, I don't think I'm enjoying that. Really.

[Leona]

That's fully meant to horrify you.

[Christine]

And, yeah, that feels like a curse

[Leona]

because I don't believe that music is actually now playing in the other room. And you're hearing it. It wants you to. It's like it's controlling you to go

[Christine]

into that room because totally.

[Leona]

It knows you'll be curious about something over there, but it's only playing in your head.

[Christine]

It's like when you can throw your voice sort of. To me, it feels like somebody's like, intentionally putting it there. Yeah, I agree.

[Leona]

Agreed, agreed. Because if I. I mean, you know,

[Christine]

conversations we have inside a haunted house, and then we're like, so why are we here? I forget.

[Leona]

So it's so. So The Uber is 20 minutes out.

[Christine]

Yeah. Yeah. We're like, we've analyzed every angle of how bad this is and how dumb this is. Let's leave.

[Leona]

Every time I've heard of someone saying, I thought I heard something. And then you play the cameras back. It's not playing in that room. It's absolutely only in your head. Or they are fussing with the cameras

[Christine]

and across cameras across the house. And it's like doing it by itself. And it's all bad. Yeah.

[Leona]

And also interesting that you would think applause wouldn't startle you. Imagine being in an empty room and then all of a sudden, like an 800 seat theater is all applauding you at once. It's just the sheer loudness of that.

[Christine]

Talk about. I mean, Jesus, it's like give you a fright.

[Leona]

It would. I know. It would horrify you. I mean, I'd be a little honored.

[Christine]

I'd be like, oh, me.

[Leona]

Thanks. People also hear whispering. They have heard the pipe organ play itself.

[Christine]

Ah, intriguing.

[Leona]

Can't stand that.

[Christine]

That.

[Leona]

And then the last thing I'm going to say is there was a travel channel show that was not Ghost Adventures that covered an episode of this called Ghost Stories. I had like 10 episodes and I could not find it online, so I cannot report on it.

[Christine]

Ba ha humbug.

[Leona]

But know it's out there. And if someone is sleuthier than me, enjoy. So that is. Oh, wow. Our first round of the Egyptian theater.

[Christine]

I feel I'm not gonna clap really loud right in front of you. I'm gonna clap far away.

[Leona]

I. Thank you.

[Christine]

And lure you. Um, no, I feel like Zachary probably canceled anything that had the word ghost. He was like, that's actually my domain. You may not have Ghost Story in the show.

[Leona]

That's for you. I mean, I to this day believe that there are no other ghost shows that he's not starring in. Unless they're like, so, like, five rungs under him that he doesn't totally.

[Christine]

He lets them have their little time. Yeah.

[Leona]

It's like you can pretend like we're on the same page. I guess.

[Christine]

What do you think he feels about ghost hunters? Like, they must have a beef. Right? Right. For, like, how could you not these. Yeah. There's no way.

[Leona]

Well, wasn't Nick Groff on both of those shows?

[Christine]

Oh, wait, maybe that's right. Maybe there's like. There's like, certifiable beef. Grade A beef.

[Leona]

I think he left ghost adventures to go be with ghost hunters.

[Christine]

That makes sense.

[Leona]

You know what I like about ghost hunters? And I've said it before, in the world of research and Zach Bangins, I will say he is a business mastermind of course he does it the other way way, because then he gets more views. But I appreciate, as someone who's just trying to do as much research as I can, quickly. All of their evidence is at the end of every single episode so I don't have to watch the whole thing.

[Christine]

Oh, really? Oh. Oh, the evident. The ghost evidence. Yeah, I understand.

[Leona]

Because then they go like, oh, let's go tell the owner what we found, and then show a compilation reel. And I'm like, that's so beautiful. Thank you. And then Zach is like, you watch the whole thing.

[Christine]

Zach's like, let me. Let me read this poem out loud that I made. And then you can see the ghost. And it's like, do I have to pay that toll? That's quite a toll to pay.

[Leona]

And it's one in the morning, and I'm like, z, I just want to go to bed, please. Roses.

[Christine]

Roses. Turn up the volume. Roses.

[Leona]

Roses. Roses. Roses.

[Christine]

Yeah, nobody does it better than you.

[Leona]

Because I had to hear it a bajillion zillion times.

[Christine]

Do you know something's really true about me? I say it wrong to make sure that you say it right. I go, roses, roses. So that you say roses.

[Leona]

Roses. That's it. That's it.

[Christine]

Oh, it scratches a weird itch in my brain.

[Leona]

Oh, God, make that my text sound.

[Christine]

I might. Yeah. I'll never answer my phone again. Roses. Roses. I just. It's like, you know, the ghost misadventures. Tick tock just has, like, such a. Such a gem of a concept, like taking. Taking Zach clips and then writing, like, me when my mom tells me to do something or whatever. And it'll be like, I just don't want to go in there or whatever you know, says. But it's.

[Leona]

I mean, it's gold if they're listening. I hope that there's a video eventually that says when someone asks what my favorite flowers are.

[Christine]

Roses. Roses. They used that clip, I think. And I was like, oh, my God. I. I relate to this type of humor specifically because that whole clip. I remember watching that with you. Like, that whole clip is in there of him singing. And like, man, I remember finally covering

[Leona]

that one and thinking, there's no way. I'm not. We're not gonna watch the entire thing live. That's.

[Christine]

We have to. Now.

[Leona]

I would deprive it would be depriving you.

[Christine]

It would be really sick if we didn't. Okay. So may I use the bathroom before our happy hour? Do you have it? Oh, did we have something? I forget.

[Leona]

I Don't know.

[Christine]

Oh, I have something. I have something.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

I have something fun.

[Leona]

Okay, cool.

[Christine]

Okay. We're about to come back for yappy hour and if you are interested, you can sign up. I actually found my palmistry guidebook, so we're gonna take a quick peek at that while we're in yappy hour. So see you there.

[Leona]

There.

[Christine]

Blast off.

[Leona]

Oh, my God.

[Christine]

Wait. No. Come back. Rocket Money. Come back.

[Leona]

It. It took all. It took all the money out of all the bad accounts, gave it back to me and flew away like a little angel.

[Christine]

Kat Perry aboard.

[Leona]

We're talking about rocket buddy. Talk about a lifesaver. Every single time I log on, I go, you. You did it again.

[Christine]

You know, I'm like, I should have done this sooner. Yeah.

[Leona]

Rocket Money is like Brad Corb in my local newspaper. He's done it again.

[Christine]

It's so overwhelming to finances on top of everything else in life. And it's not fun, right? But Rocket Money somehow makes it like actually kind of fun because they take care of the hard parts and then just show you like the good results. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings.

[Leona]

My. I said this last time, but ever since my mom found out that Rocket Money is a sponsor, which again indicator that she was not listening to the ads originally. But ever since she found out, she's so jazzed. She was like, I thought. I thought you wouldn't have known about this. And I'm like, I've been telling you. I've been screaming it to the masses this whole time.

[Christine]

So someone else has to tell the parent and then they'll listen.

[Leona]

Yeah, it's two generations approved and probably three because my mom has my grandma logged in as everything. So probably three generations approved over here. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster.

[Christine]

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[Leona]

so Father's Day is coming up and whether you have a father, father figure, someone in your life as a dad, someone that you want to gift a nice Father's Day gift to or in my case, my mother who demands to also get gifts on Father's Day because she's the primary parent. We are talking about story worth today. Story worth. My mom has actually used it in the past with her own parents, which I thought was. I love that Storyworth sends you a question about your life or. Or sends it to your parent and they respond however they want. They can write back over email or web. They can voice record or even new this year, is a guided phone call. So there's no apps, logins, or tech hassle in case the, you know, parents in your life is not tech savvy.

[Christine]

Right. I know. It's really special. Like there are things that they ask that are so creative in the story worth. So like if, say you, you have a dad in your life who's like, not necessarily a big talker, I think a lot of us can relate to like the kind of stoker, stoic father figure type or even the goofball type. But like, maybe you don't know the deeper lore, right. And there wasn't, you know, the Internet back then. And so finding out like little quirks like what was their first stuffed animal or their favorite class in elementary school, things like that that you don't necessarily bring up on a day to day basis.

[Leona]

Give dad a gift that captures who he really is before the stories get harder to remember. Father's day is Sunday, June 21st. Order right now and save up to [e-mail] Drink. Drink.

[Christine]

Save up to $20 at StoryWorth.com Drink StoryWorth.com Drink. All right, so today I am covering the story of Tony Parsons. This was featured on a. I've been in like a true crime mood, which sounds weird for people who cover true crime regularly, but like, you know, when you're just like in a ghosty mood or something, even though it's like also your work. Right. It's like the passion is.

[Leona]

Has resurged. Yes.

[Christine]

Yeah. It's like I get got like more intrigued by my own kind of topic for a little while. And I got, I kind of went a little outside of my norm, my comfort zone of research. And I found this relatively new Netflix miniseries. It's a three parter called Should I Marry a Murderer? And I was like, well, that sounds like a TLC situation. Like, I don't know, but something about the thumbnail. You know how Netflix does those thumbnails that like cater to you? Like, it was like the original algorithm where it was like different depending on who, whose phone you were on or whatever. So it, it got me good. And I'm watching this going, I can't believe this is. I can't believe this. I mean, it's just a doozy. I feel like it's perfect, so I'm gonna cover it. Here we go. It was late 2020. We were all in hell and we can all remember it because we're still there.

[Leona]

We haven't left, and we might be re. Entering. Have you been hearing about.

[Christine]

No.

[Leona]

Oh, Christine, just. I'll let you live in the bliss.

[Christine]

I literally might now have suddenly. My nice. My nido.

[Leona]

All of a sudden, it's like, cracked.

[Christine]

Explode.

[Leona]

Yeah, no, there's a. There's a new virus. Not. Not a covet.

[Christine]

Cruise ship one.

[Leona]

A cruise ship one.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's passed from animals, which means there were, like, rats on the ship or something.

[Leona]

Something like that.

[Christine]

But.

[Leona]

And they keep saying virus. I just watched the video today because my whole algorithm rhythm is. Everyone's saying, like, don't let them off the boat. Don't let them off the boat. But then other people are like, they're. They've already been off the boat. They're on a cruise. They've been going from port to port, traveling, and only now we're showing symptoms.

[Christine]

Oh, dude. And several people died.

[Leona]

Yeah. And it's a. The. Once it's human to human, it's a 35 to 50 chance of dying, no matter who you are. Oh, it's like a half a one to one guess or one out of two, that you'll die. Die.

[Christine]

Okay, well, then, in that case, stay on the boat.

[Leona]

I don't know.

[Christine]

I'm staying in my house is what I'll say about that.

[Leona]

Everyone in the comments is like, I'm going to be an influencer this time. Like, it's like, this time.

[Christine]

Oh, my God, yes. Like, I'll take a bread, I'll finally commit to sourdough, you know? Yeah.

[Leona]

Oh, it's so dark and sad.

[Christine]

But it is, it is. It's. It's. It's really insidious. Okay, here we go. Smoke. So in late 2020, Dr. Caroline Muirhead, she's 32 years old, she's working as a forensic pathologist in Glasgow. Not to be confused with Glasgow, which is how I used to say it. Thinking I was saying it correctly and was not. Not. Caroline was recovering from a bat. Sorry. I just got a text from Blaze. The USPS just delivered the caterpillars. And I was like, what the. And then I remembered Leona got a butterfly.

[Leona]

Oh.

[Christine]

Enclosure for Easter.

[Leona]

What? It sounds like some sort of, like a code. Some spy. Like, the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane. Click.

[Christine]

Just like that. Spy. That early spy code. Yeah.

[Leona]

We can't talk here. Walk with me.

[Christine]

Can't talk. Get in the bunk. I'll meet you in the bunker. Okay.

[Leona]

Mirrors. Payphone. Five minutes.

[Christine]

Caterpillars have arrived. They've. They've left the building. All right, so she is recovering from a bad relationship. She was. I, I don't know if she's had a bad relationship. She's recovering from what she called a very toxic relationship. Several years kind of sunk into this and ended very, very tough. It was a very tough breakup. She is kind of going stir crazy, like we all are. She gets on the dating apps and she's on Tinder and is trying to get back out there, but again, it's 2020, like, like already a tough time. And then to be like going through a breakup. So she's on there and she realizes Glasgow is just too small of a search area, so she widens the net, so to speak, and she finds this guy named Sandy Alexander. He went by Sandy McKellar on Tinder. Sandy was over 6ft tall. He's 31, Bachelor, works as a farmer and a deer stalker. Aka like a, a hunter. Slash, like lives off the land type of, you know, kind of manly man thing.

[Leona]

That kind of didn't help. Like stalking deer or stalking, like.

[Christine]

Oh, stalker. Like stalker.

[Leona]

He really is stalking them.

[Christine]

Like with a weapon. With.

[Leona]

He's a hunter. Why are we saying it any other way?

[Christine]

Because we're in Glasgow. I don't know. Maybe that's what they call it. I have no clue.

[Leona]

In my mind, I thought like, he stocks deli with deer meat or something.

[Christine]

Like he stalks the fridge.

[Leona]

And then he didn't make it any better because you're like, he's in the woods. And I'm like, okay, so he's.

[Christine]

No, it's. I guess it's sort of like. It's like, it's like an old. It's like, it feels like an old timey way to say he's. He, he's a hunter.

[Leona]

It's only telling you step one of his process.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I stalk them first. That's called red flag. Yeah. What if you just stalk them, though?

[Leona]

That'd be crazy. What a silly little hobby.

[Christine]

What if you wanted to stalk, but you're like, that's a bad. I want to get it out in a healthy way. I'll say stock deer.

[Leona]

I feel like that's kind of like people watching, but we just say it nicer. It's like I just like to observe

[Christine]

a really good point.

[Leona]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Christine]

Yeah, really good point. Maybe just go for a walk and just leave it at that and keep the rest of my thoughts to myself in my head. Okay. So anyway, he has this profile says he's a farmer. Deer stalker. Hot. Just kidding. He's 31. He's over 6ft tall. He lives and works on something called the Och Estate A U c h near the bridge of Orchy in the Scottish Highlands Islands. And they, like, clicked immediately. I mean, somehow the chemistry is exactly right. And it's Covid times, and things go super duper fast. I think a lot of people who met during that Covid time can relate. They were like, it, we're already all kind of screwed and the world's on fire. Let's move in together.

[Leona]

You're a deer. Soccer. I'm a deer. Let's make it happen.

[Christine]

I'm. I have a PhD and you stalk deer. I think we're a perfect match.

[Leona]

They call me Bambi. Yeah.

[Christine]

Oh, wow. Oh, I. That's a good pickup line. Call me Bambi.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

Okay. So Caroline, like, really got drawn into this guy. And remember, she's coming out of a very tough breakup, right? So she kind of dives head first into this relationship. Some of her friends are like, oh, it's going a little fast. Within five weeks of meeting, they are engaged.

[Leona]

Oh, whoa. Okay.

[Christine]

And it sort of happened because she would come up to visit all the time on his land, and they would take like the. The ATVs, four wheelers, whatever you call them. The deer stalkers. I don't know what they're called over there. You take. They would take them and like go smoke and drink in the woods and like, party and have fun. And it's, you know, she just was like.

[Leona]

I mean, talk about, like, if you're gonna date someone during the pandemic and you have totally quarantine with people or like, isolate yourself in the Scottish Highlands, the Scottish islands in the middle of nowhere. Just an ATV and you in nature, I mean, that is. That's six feet apart for sure from others.

[Christine]

Beer? Yeah. This is like. Yeah. So they were just, you know, riding high, like rose colored glasses. 100% Sandy also. And he was, by the way, over six feet tall, six foot two or whatever. So she met him. She's like, he wasn't even lying about his height.

[Leona]

Good for him.

[Christine]

I know. So he also had a twin brother, and the three of them became fast friends. And she became kind of enmeshed in his friend's circle as well. And everything was pretty hunky dory. Except. Except when Sandy drank, he would get a little bit not like himself. He would get dark.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

His twin brother once told Caroline at a party that Sandy was Quote, not right in the head. And she kind of just like brushed it off because what does that even mean? Everyone was drunk and she said whatever, you know who is right in the head said so things are, things are a little red flaggy but she keeps going. She later said she felt vulnerable and was looking for kind of an escape and just like a way to let off steam. And you know, he like adored her and so she just felt like full steam ahead.

[Leona]

Yeah.

[Christine]

She actually recalled thinking, what's the worst that could happen?

[Leona]

I, I, this is the last time I'll make a joke about deer soccer, but I do, I, the more I'm finding out that he's like not right in the head, I'm kind of like, did he just come up up with like, is he just inserting words like that into his career?

[Christine]

Because I feel like I don't think so. Even though it does feel that way. And they do well, so they do highlight at least in the documentary and in, I think it was in Glamour, some, some publication. But they talked about his early access to guns and how since the age of like 8 or 9 his parents would just have guns lying around the house. And like, keep in mind this is not in the usa. Right. Right. This is not a normal thing in other countries. And not that it's necessarily normal to have weapons around your 9 year old laying around like in the open. Sure. Like that's obviously we all think that's inappropriate but like to have that there where pistols are actually illegal to own and there are just like pistols laying out and there's a night, two nine year old boys in the house and they are being taught to stalk and kill so to speak, hunt deer from like a very young age.

[Leona]

Yeah.

[Christine]

So it does all kind of of track in that sense.

[Leona]

It's adding up quickly the things you're telling me. And also now I'm wondering like I could see either side. Like you're like when I'm thinking of they were engaged within five weeks originally I was like, oh, what a whirlwind love in the middle of a pandemic. But part of me is also like, oh, where's their control situation going on here?

[Christine]

I, you know, it's like, I think even when she looks back and talks about it, she's like, it just for everybody seemed like, like, you know, you're in it and it's a whirlwind and you're just like, it's almost like mania. I feel like, like you're almost in it and you're like, well, can't stop the train now and then.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

You know, at a certain point. I mean, let me know what you think when you get more details, I guess.

[Leona]

Sure. Yeah. I'm going off of nothing so far, so.

[Christine]

Well, not. Not nothing, I would say in late November of 2020. They're planning. They're lovey dovey. They're planning, like, getting married. And she's like, are you serious? Like, you really want to marry me? And he's like, yes, I do. You're so special to me. And she's like, I can't believe this. And they're talking about their future marriage. And she tells him, you know, we've only just met, so if we're gonna get married, we have to tell each other everything. You need to tell me everything you're proud of, and you need to be able to tell me everything you're not proud of. And they're kind of like getting deep and talking. And a police car drives past the property, and Sandy has a panic attack. He's gasping for air, he's wailing. And he tells Caroline, I've done a horrible, horrible thing. She, of course, immediately gets this dread, and she's like, what? I'm sure it can't be that bad. Sandy, tell me what happened. He says, three years ago, I was out drinking with my brother and he got in the car drunk and he hit a cyclist with his car. She was like, what do you mean you hit a cyclist? And he says, I was drunk, it was foggy, I didn't see him, and I hit him. And it was too late by the time I hit him. And she starts freaking out, and she's like, whoa, what do you mean? How could. How could that happen? He says, it was his life or mine. So I never told anyone. He admitted that he and Robert had hidden the body and that he had been on the run from the police ever since.

[Leona]

Oh, is that why he lives out in the middle of the nowhere?

[Christine]

So he actually grew up there so that he already did live on that property? But yes, sort of. Yes, also.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

And it wouldn't be the last time. He's, like, hiding out there. She's like, why? Why didn't you report it? He says, my whole life would have been taken away for an accident if I had told the police. Right? So she's like, what the. Sandy, like, what do you mean? You can't just tell me you killed someone? And he's like, I'm freaking out. I'm freaking out. You're the only one I've ever told.

[Leona]

I was gonna say. That's also crazy of him to say to her. If he's that afraid of it getting reported, it's like, well, now it's probably gonna get reported.

[Christine]

So she is like, what the am I supposed to do with this? And, you know, she's freaking out. She's trying to. To remain calm and be like, make sense of the situation. And he tells her through tears, he's right beneath your feet. When we shoot clay pigeons. I just got, like, full body chills.

[Leona]

Like, we're just saying all of it. Like, he's really. Word vomiting. He's wanted it spilling, and he's wanted it off his chest for quite some

[Christine]

time, it seems, 100%. So they go back to. They go back home, and she's like. He is, like, so relieved, right? Like you said, he's unburdened himself. He feels like, oh, my God, I got this off my chest. He falls asleep.

[Leona]

Crazy.

[Christine]

She's like, I'm in the middle of nowhere. I'm freaking the fuck out, and I'm sleeping next to a murderer, and I'm trying to remain calm.

[Leona]

I also, like, I. I'm noting now, and maybe I'm totally wrong, but I'm just gonna, like, hold on to this little bullet point that, like, the fact that he now feels so unburdened and now he can go to bed, I'm like, I would have a whole new, even, like, equal to bigger fear now that, like, at any moment someone's gonna

[Christine]

spill beans, I think she was so insistent, like, hey, you can tell me anything, and, sure. Okay, we. And I think she really meant it and did. Didn't realize what would be coming, you know, like, said, like, you can tell me anything. And I think they really were just connected in that way where he was like. And when she said, okay, it's gonna be all right, like, I'll stay with you and I'll still marry you, because she's like, I don't know what else to say, and I'm scared. Then he was like, thank God. Like, finally I can really marry you knowing you know my darkest secret. You know? Like, I think he was more relieved that he could tell somebody and she wanted to stay with him. In reality, she's over there on her phone googling cyclists. Imagine how much you'd be shaking. Like, she's googling cyclist death. Hit and run.

[Leona]

And, like. And then, oh, my God, then you're finding out all about this person and learning about their life and empathizing with the family and well, it's like you

[Christine]

just knew what I was gonna say. Okay. So she looks up the story and lo and behold. Exactly matching the story that Sandy had told her. September 29, 2017. The 63 year old man, he was a retired Royal Navy officer and grandfather. Tony Parsons, Anthony Parsons. He was a prostate cancer survivor. He was on a 104 mile solo charity bike ride.

[Leona]

Oh my God.

[Christine]

He set off from Fort William and was heading home to Tilliculture. And earlier that day, Sandy and Robert had been drinking at the bridge of Orchy hotel with a German hunting group. They had too much to drink. Incidentally, this Tony guy also stopped at the same hotel for coffee at 11:30pm and the hotel staff were like, wow, it's late, like you should stay the night. And he said, I can't, I've got to keep cycling. So he goes on. Then Sandy and his brother leave drunk and he drives his Isuzu D Max pickup truck over the alcohol limit, speeding. Robert is in the passenger seat. Sandy hits Tony on his bicycle from behind on the A82 near the bridge of Horkey. Tony suffered catastrophic injuries including broken ribs, a fractured pelvis and a fractured spine. So she finds all this out and like imagine googling this and finding the local news news. There's news articles, there's, there's people saying if you have any information, you know, his family's looking for who did this. And like this man was just killed and left and nobody knows where, where he is. You know, it's just, it's, it's just heinous. It's horrible. So this is where it gets even worse because around this time he, Sandy comes home to meet, meet Caroline's family and she feels like she's lost control of the train because she's like, I pretended to be okay with this. I couldn't tell anyone. Now he's meeting my family. He fits in great. They love him. Now I'm like in it and I'm like, how do I get out of it without getting in danger, without like,

[Leona]

or in trouble with the law? Because now you're an accomplice in trouble with the law.

[Christine]

Like, she's like, I have to do the right thing. I don't know how to. And she's also emotionally so vulnerable and confused. So Caroline did not tell the police immediately. And this is where people start to get a little bit like that. People debate about this story a little bit on like whether she did the, she did the right thing because she did go to the Police, Right. But people are like, why didn't she go sooner? And why, you know, it. She went to the police. But she did wait about a month, month before reporting it. He had come over for Christmas and all that and had met the family. She was just, like, feeling, like, out of body, confused and surreal and sick to her stomach. So she tells police, I have something to tell you. She tells her parents first, and they're like, we. Let's call the police together. They call the police who arrest Sandy and Robert. But then she finds out they're released because they have no physical evidence or bodies. Body.

[Leona]

Really? She can't just say, go where we used to shoot the. Okay, well, obviously that's gonna happen. Okay.

[Christine]

So she looks on Google Maps, but it's such a big property that she's like, I don't know where, like, we would go out there to shoot clay pigeons. But, like, you can't just say, like, this whole acre or, you know, whatever. You can't say, like, this square mile. Like, yeah, it would have to be much more specific. And so she's like, I, it's in this area, but it's a private property, so they can't just, like, barge in there and start looking. And so she's kind of stuck. And she. Of course, now one of her biggest fears is that they find out that she's the one who told the police. Right. So the two are released.

[Leona]

Horrifying.

[Christine]

Sandy calls her, and she answers the phone, and he says, oh, my God, this horrible thing happened. Like, the police, I don't know how they knew. And she has to pretend like she has no clue.

[Leona]

He didn't suspect it was her. Her.

[Christine]

So he really didn't. He did later.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

And he found out. But at the beginning, he really believed that she wasn't the one.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

Which is just wild to me. So during this time, she's really spiraling. And one of the biggest controversies about this case is the lack of support she was given because. Because she was a crown witness for this case, and she was going to be, like, the primary, like, the linchpin of this case, right? She has this confession, she has this information. She's even been told where the body is. And yet they arrest these guys, let them go, and then leave her to fend for herself. So she's out there being like, what if they find out it was me? What if, you know, my family's in danger? What if. Who knows? And the police. Police essentially dismiss her. And she is really, in my opinion, treated very, very poorly. By police who basically at least several of the investigators who claim, like, well, she should have done this differently. She should have known better. She was. She had. One of them was. She has a PhD. She should know better.

[Leona]

And I'm like, excuse me. This.

[Christine]

Yeah. Don't fucking talk about. As if. You know. As if anyone would know what to do. Right. It, like, really pisses me off, especially because a lot of this was, like, just her not knowing who. What to do. I mean, she was totally lost.

[Leona]

And at this point, I don't know if you have information on this, but did Tony Parsons family hear that there was some sort of like. Like, reopening of the case? Because I would be fucking fuming if I found out finally, someone maybe knows where my dad or my husband is. Is. And they're just out now. We're not really even gonna try.

[Christine]

Okay? So. But when they were released, it was pending further investigation. So it wasn't like, oh, they're released for good. It was like, they've been arrested, and it was announced. And now all of a sudden, everybody is reaching out to Caroline and going, what happened? I heard the boys were arrested. What's going on? And so she's playing this weird game of, like, pretending she didn't. Pretending she doesn't know to the outsiders, pretending to Sandy that she's not the one who. Who told. Like, she's just playing this, like, bizarre part. They didn't have physical evidence or body. And police said, why don't you try to get a little more information out of them? And this is where.

[Leona]

This is where actually. How about you're the goddamn police and you get more information out of them?

[Christine]

Precisely. So the other day, I was participating in a social event which was already kind of, like, beyond my capabilities. And then I remembered that I had batch THC mints. They're called micro mints in my bag. And I was like, these are perfect because they're just like, a little bit of sublingual cbd, thc, and then they kind of boost your mood. They, like, kind of help you get through whatever you're getting through. Batch has some really, really awesome stuff. I really like their products. They. I mean, micro mints are one thing, but I'm more about, like, the THC gummies. As you can imagine. I kind of go straight to the top, you know? Right.

[Leona]

That'll make you feel all lazy.

[Christine]

Daisy feels more like me myself, you know?

[Leona]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they dissolve under your tongue for fast absorption and are built to be a sustainable daily ritual. So it you can think of them as like. Like you said, replacing that end of day glass of wine without, like the. The fog the next day.

[Christine]

Yeah, without the unfortunate side effects.

[Leona]

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[Christine]

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[Leona]

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[Christine]

It goes really, really, really, really rough. Okay. So she begins spending more time with him. She's already isolated by all this. It's Covid. Like, she's not getting the support she needs. She's already gone through a traumatic relationship. Now she's like, kind of in this weird place where she's like, I was not making good decisions. I went back to the property to. To be there and just be away from everything. And, like, he treated me well. And so I just went with it. And she said, I told myself I would get more information for the family. I'd be able to like, close the case, you know, Know. So she kind of moves in and her family is like. Like, first she tells us her fiance that we just met killed this guy, and then she moves in with him.

[Leona]

And I can't imagine the cortisol spikes, like the. The adrenaline just shooting through me at all, because at any moment you hear a sound and you're in an unfamiliar place. Place. Because she moved to his property, which, by the way, is where the body is. So she's now has time to go looking for it, I guess.

[Christine]

Yep.

[Leona]

But like, you're in a new house, new sounds, in the middle of nowhere with a guy who might find out. And although it wasn't intentional, it sounds like it still killed somebody.

[Christine]

It, like, by the way, and his brother who also lives there. So it's like the two people who. Yeah. And I'm sure the brother was not thrilled that his brother told his fiance,

[Leona]

say, well, the brother had to wonder for sure. The brother had to be like, did you tell anyone? And then he went, oh, I kind of told her he had to think it would be her.

[Christine]

He actually thought it was her. And Sandy said, she would never do that to me. And she talks about how. How deeply, like, hard that was to see, like, this man that she had, like, fallen in Love with right before this all happened, like a full face. She would never do, do this to me. She would never do this to us. You have to believe me. And like being like, yeah, of course I wouldn't. But like also knowing she has to do the right thing for the family, it just seems like an impossible situation. And so, you know, I can understand, like, I wouldn't have done that. She would have done, she shouldn't have, whatever. But like at the same time nobody really knows what they would have done and like ultimately she did do the right thing. And I don't know, it could be debated till the cows come home. I don't think there's really a way to know what she was thinking and feeling and like.

[Leona]

No, no one trains you for what to do in that situation. No, no.

[Christine]

Certainly you're just surviving.

[Leona]

You're surviving.

[Christine]

So she's over there and she's sort of like in this weird middle ground of like deciding whether she's really in this relationship or if she's just here to like get intel, you know. And like, is she here because she wants to be or with. Because the police told her? It seems unclear to her even. And one day the brother Robert says drunkenly, by the way, they're going on like benders during this time. They're just like totally losing it because she's like, I just didn't know how to survive. Like, we were just on drugs, we were drinking, we were trying to escape, you know. And like ev, you were. You're right. Like every time a siren or a police car would drive by, apparently Sandy would have a panic attack. Like they were just. Yeah, I mean he already did the first time he told her. Then Robert comes to her and says, it's worse than what he told you. I know.

[Leona]

Which kind of crazy that Robert is now telling her, even though he kind of suspects that she told the light hearted version.

[Christine]

I agree.

[Leona]

Like, what was. He must have been kicking a few back.

[Christine]

They were really? Yeah. Yep. And he says, we actually realized after we hit him that he was still alive.

[Leona]

No, they could have not. They could have. I mean.

[Christine]

Yep.

[Leona]

Yeah, they could have just helped him

[Christine]

and just called 911 and they wouldn't

[Leona]

have gone to jail for manslaughter or anything like that.

[Christine]

Yep. It's like once you make that fatal decision of like you've really yourself because yeah, they, you know what they did. And this is a part that she said was that was a huge turning point for her is that found out, not only did they just drive Away. They actually moved his body to be out of the sight line. So if another car drove past, nobody would see him. So he's like in agony and they drag him out of sight so that he can't be seen. Then they switch cars and come back.

[Leona]

Oh, that's so much more. First of all, unnecessarily elaborate.

[Christine]

Yes, yes.

[Leona]

It's interesting that I'm not saying they should have at all, but, like, I'm surprised their reaction wasn't to actually kill him. Like. Like, it feels like they were. I guess they at least had something in them. Were like, we can't do that, but we could let it happen on its own over here without any help. Like, it's like they're both. So, I mean, I don't know. I. They're both. You could have just called for help. Help.

[Christine]

I'll be honest, they may have killed him if he did. Wasn't already dead by the time they got back. Right. Like, we don't know. I mean, I don't. I don't necessarily know. We don't know the details, but allegedly what happened was they. Instead of calling 999, they left him. They moved his body out of view. Then they went home, got a different vehicle, a Toyota to come back and move him. Then they destroyed his phone and his SIM card. Like, this is all very.

[Leona]

This is, you know, so much worse. Yes, so much worse.

[Christine]

So much worse. They burn his wallet, they hi. They burn his helmet because they have something called a kill pit where they put the deer and like, all that. So they're able to dispose of stuff. They. She finds out over time, spending time with the brothers, that they. That he hid the bicycle under the waterfall on the property so that nobody would find it. They initially hidded to hit. They initially hid Tony's body in a wooded area on the estate and then told her that they used an excavator to bury him in a remote peat bog on the estate. So they moved him. The spot they chose was a kill pit or a stink pit used for dumping dead animal carcasses, because that was such a big part of their job. So they had a place that. And so once the. The detective started digging, the forensic team started digging things up. They realized, like, these are all. There's so many deer bones. And it's because they had, you know, disposed of him. So the spot they chose was this kill pit. Sandy and Robert got the car fixed, the Isuzu. But they told people that they had hit a deer. And that's what that's what it happened happen. So when they talk to locals about the brothers, people knew them as hunters, as outdoorsy kids, as kind of rabble rousers, troublemakers. They grew up in a culture where, like, killing animals was just part of the norm from young on. So, like, there's a certain part of them, people think, that was able to be shut off. Like, you know, see the human as like an animal instead of. Is my opinion from, from just understanding what happened here.

[Leona]

I agree.

[Christine]

Especially with the alcohol mix. And when he says, like, it just turns him into a different person. And a lot of the evidence that was gathered is Caroline would be playing chess on her laptop and would hit record on a voice note. And she was like, it was terrifying because he could just kind of walk around and see. But sometimes he would just like, drunkenly say something and she'd hit record and he would say, you know, I hid the bicycle behind the waterfall so no one could find it. And. And she's like, I gotta like, record this. And keep in mind, she's on cocaine. Like, they're, they're high out of their minds and drunk. And so she's like, kind of has a grasp on what's going on. Kind of not.

[Leona]

That's so ballsy because, like, if he found out, who knows what would have happened.

[Christine]

Exactly. Especially when they're drunk. Exactly. And so she finds out, it's even worse. And now she's like, really in it. And she convinces him to show her where the body is because he starts. So he starts getting paranoid that construction on the estate that they're planning would expose the grave. Right. So she's like, well, show me, like, where it is. And by the way, do you remember what her job is?

[Leona]

No.

[Christine]

She's a forensic.

[Leona]

Oh, yeah, Pathologist.

[Christine]

Just pathology. And she has a PhD in forensics. Like, this is a person. And then so she starts wondering, like, is that why he matched with me? Because, like, I would know about. And he had said to her several times, like, you and I both aren't squeamish. You and I both understand things that, like, have to be done. You and I both understand, like, the gruesomeness behind it. Like, he had this kind of fixation that she wouldn't be as horrified as other people might, if that makes sense.

[Leona]

I. I do get that.

[Christine]

But also, it's not true. She was, like, actually horrified. But yes, I mean, I get what he.

[Leona]

What maybe what direction he was heading with it. But I also, I'm still surprised by that too, because I would think If I had a body on my property that I'm trying to hide and then I match with someone who's a forensic pathologist. Oh, never mind. Can't make dinner, Never talk to you again. Blocked.

[Christine]

Kind of crazy. You're right, because it feels like the lattice person you would want to bring to your property would be the person who could sense where a body or not sense, but you know, like have any knowledge of a body. But like, I wonder if part of it was, oh, I'm safe with this person. Like, she won't judge, I think. I mean, that's at least what he would tell her. And you know, she made him feel safe, I guess enough to open up about this. So after she tells the police and they don't do anything to kind of help her accept, say, go find out more because we don't have enough on them, she. She moves in, gets way wrapped up into this with the brother, with, with her fiance. And the brother, Robert, like I said, told, told her eventually that it was way worse. He said, and I quote, when we hit that man, it happened very fast. We got out and when we walked towards him, he was alive. And her mental health just tanked, right? She felt worthless. She was like. I felt like total. I disappointed my family. I'd already like up, up this long past term relationship now I had a wedding dress, my family thought I was getting married. And it's like a literal murderer. And I'm in the middle of it. Like it just is a mess. Understatement. She was doing cocaine and drugs, alcohol. She described herself as being in a state of terror. I mean, it sounds like she's just in like fight, flight, freeze, like right, survival mode. And as Sandy becomes more and more paranoid, he's like, can I show you where the body is and maybe you can help me. So that's where she starts to think, is he just using me? Because I know how bodies work and I can dispose of it so that he doesn't get further implicated. So she goes with him to the peat bog and she's like. So like, where is it? And he goes, right about here. And she drops, she drops, she squishes and drops the Red Bull, the empty Red Bull can she was holding to mark the spot.

[Leona]

Brilliant, babe.

[Christine]

And then he goes, did you just litter? I'm not even kidding. And she goes, oh, sorry. And he goes, pick that up. She literally describes this. She's like, I tossed it. And she's like. And then he looked at me and was like, why'd you do that. And she was like, sorry, I don't know what came over me.

[Leona]

I will say she should have dropped something a little more indiscreet, like, a little more discreet.

[Christine]

Like, I don't think she planned it. I think it was in the moment. And then she's like, sorry, I don't know why I did that. And he goes, go get that. So she picks it up, and she's like. And then when he turns around, she's like, I put it back down and left it there.

[Leona]

I mean, ballsy, ballsy, Very ballsy. And I. I mean, we're flying past the joke that is he's upset that someone's littering while he's showing you the body he buried.

[Christine]

But, yeah, he's like, what would you do that for?

[Leona]

He's like, what are you, some sort of criminal?

[Christine]

Like, sort of litter bug? Right.

[Leona]

Yeah, I really like that. You break the law. Actually, he.

[Christine]

There's a dead body down there, and you're littering on. I mean, it's like, yeah, you're right. It's absurd. In. In a way, it is, Right? So wouldn't you know it, that's the Red Bull can. That brought detectives right to the spot where they found Tony's body.

[Leona]

And you also, like, imagine dropping it, and you just pray to God there's not a windy night before the cops can get that.

[Christine]

She, like, crushed it in with her foot the second time. She's like, I'm going to crush this down.

[Leona]

Okay, good.

[Christine]

And then when she told them there's a Red Bull Can I. Out there. When the brothers were arrested again and then released, she got a phone call or they were questioned, I guess. I don't know if they were arrested, but they were questioned. And the release. And she got a phone call, and she said, oh, hey, Sandy. And he's screaming, and he says, you did this? You told them? And she's like, that's when I knew he found out. He somehow found out that I had been the. The witness, right? And he's like, I'm coming over right now.

[Leona]

Oh, my God.

[Christine]

He's gonna. He's gonna kill me. He's gonna kill me.

[Leona]

Yeah, there's no. There's no other option.

[Christine]

Like, she goes, what do you mean? How do you. I didn't tell them. What do you mean? And he goes, I saw the Red Bull can, Caroline. They told me there was a Red Bull can that marked the spot. So he knew she had left that there to mark the spot, and he knew that this had all been her Design. So he shows up at her house and she. She lets him in and they seemingly spark up another romance.

[Leona]

What?

[Christine]

This. This is why this story is like, what's happening? Sorry, I know.

[Leona]

Repeat that one. So wait, they like. Was it like. Like, like hate sex or something? I know that's weird to say.

[Christine]

She just. He's like, I still love you. And she's like, what?

[Leona]

Okay, I was thinking like, maybe like. Like a. A passion, like a.

[Christine]

We don't know. You know how.

[Leona]

What? Sudden, like there's like. They're. They're fighting and so hate. They're so mad and they just like, make out like. I don't know. That made more sense to me than like, we're gonna hash this out.

[Christine]

No, it's plot. Twist of the century. You think he's coming there to kill her? And then I guess, like, they make up.

[Leona]

This is the most like. Wait, I think it's like equivalent to like a love bombing where it's just like the ups and downs and ups.

[Christine]

I mean, like, right, right, right, right, right.

[Leona]

Top here.

[Christine]

Oh my God. It's just crazy town. And you're watching this, like, how I can't barely keep up. So, I mean, the good news is, of course, now they find a body. They're able to bury Tony officially on January. And on January 12, 2021, they were able to. To finally locate him. And his family was able to have a funeral three years after his disappearance. But of course, you know, he finds out that his fiance is the one who. Who told on him. But when he sees her. And by the way, she recorded this conversation too. So it's really bizarre to be able to hear into people's like, arguments from. From something so shockingly big and scary. But he basically says she screams at him, like, why did you bring me into this? Like, why did you bring me into this? And he. He sort of breaks down. He's like, I'm the one who did this to you. You had no. Of course you went to the police. You're a good person.

[Leona]

So like, it's change over heart.

[Christine]

It's almost like even harder for her to break away now because she's like. Well, he says it like. He's like, I understand why you went to the police.

[Leona]

The way that my brain works is the opposite in every situation you've told me because I would think, oh, now he's really going to kill me. He's like, warming me up. Like, he's like softening me up. Like, like, oh, he's like acting like Everything's fine. And then when I least expect it,

[Christine]

like, I'm not afraid to be, like,

[Leona]

alone in rooms with him.

[Christine]

As she said, like, he's just a broken man. Like, he's just broken. And he would come to her and be. Be like, I did this horrible thing. And, like, you're the only one I can talk to. You're the only one who understands. Right. And it's like that trope of, like, fixing the person.

[Leona]

And

[Christine]

she just said, like, at this point, I was trying to get information. Everybody thought I was crazy and like, I was on drugs. So I was like, so not well. And like, I was mentally really unstable. And then the trial is coming up and they're like, you have to testify. You know, it's just a mess. Okay. Her parents are just totally at a loss. So this is kind of the end of this, like, roller coaster for now, at least. Essentially what happened. It was a little bit anti. Climatic, I guess there's. I guess this thing called. There's a thing in. In Scottish law called corroboration, which means they need two sources of evidence. Evidence to. To prove something. Right. So they had a body, but then they didn't really have anything else. And Caroline was meant to testify on the stand and she went on this long bender. She was really freaking out before the trial. She didn't feel confident in herself. She was almost. She was spiraling to the point that she was like, maybe I'm making all this up. Like, maybe she just, like, felt so gaslit by her own.

[Leona]

Yeah.

[Christine]

The stories and everything. Right. She's like, totally, really confused. And the day, a few days before, she gets this official letter in the mail that says if you don't show up to court, you'll be arrested. And like, this will go on your permanent record. Like, the. The police are, like, treating her like trash.

[Leona]

Wow.

[Christine]

And the day of the trial comes. She's a no show.

[Leona]

Oh, is she dead?

[Christine]

Her. They call. No.

[Leona]

Okay. I'm just waiting. I don't know.

[Christine]

No, she's alive. Thank God. They call her family. Her parents are like, what do you mean? I, like, put her clothes out and everything this morning.

[Leona]

She should.

[Christine]

Where is she? She's not at the courthouse. Okay. Turns out she had a little bit of a. Whether you want to call it a break from reality or what have you. She had an episode and she went to the waterfall and she said, they. I don't want. She said, I can't be relied on for my testimony alone. I need more evidence. I'm going to Find the bicycle.

[Leona]

And Ms. Forensic Pathologist said, said, I'm gonna do whatever I have to do.

[Christine]

She gets her phone out. She's filming this on Snapchat. She's not sending it to anyone, but she's like, I was just filming the whole thing. Like a vlog, sort of. She's like, here I am under a waterfall, looking for my fiance's.

[Leona]

Well, also, if she, like, had, like, a mental situation going on where she, like, couldn't even believe herself anymore, she's like, I'm filming for posterity. Like, I just don't.

[Christine]

That's kind of what it was, right? Exactly. Like her own vlog for posterity. And so she's, like, vlogging this. And so, of course, they have this footage in the Netflix series, and. And it's, like, really bizarre because it's like, Snapchat footage, and she has, like, so weird the filter on, and she's like, underneath the waterfall. Like, well, I'm supposed to be in court. I was supposed to testify three hours ago. You know, I wonder if they'll arrest me. And then there are helicopters above, and she's like, here they come. Like, I mean, she's just, like, really kind of losing it, as she kind of described. And eventually, you know, she's arrested. They put her in a state cell, and she's like, what have I done? I. I missed testifying. I. This all up. And they come to her and they say, okay. The brothers have accepted a plea deal. They. Sandy pleaded guilty to culpable homicide and attempting to pervert the course of justice and was sentenced to 12 years in prison.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

His brother Robert pleaded guilty to attempting to pervert the course of justice and was sentenced to five years and three months in prison.

[Leona]

Why did he have such a lower sentence? Was he.

[Christine]

Because he was the passenger?

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

And so he was less culpable in that he was not driving the vehicle, which would have been, like, the murder weapon. So, yeah, I mean, it's just really shocking. And. And part of the debate, too, is like, well, if she had testified, would they have been found guilty? You know what I mean?

[Leona]

Right.

[Christine]

Because. And so she argues, which I understand, too. It's like, nobody knows. But she also argues like, hey, I was in a fucking terrible place. They could have put me on the stand, and who knows what I would have said? Like, I was not, not well. And so she's like, maybe it's for the best I didn't testify. Like, we don't know. So either way, they were both sentenced in his own Words. Sandy said his lawyer spoke this on his behalf, that he was too much of a coward to come clean and that he acted out of fear and panic.

[Leona]

Okay.

[Christine]

The judge called the brothers selfish and cowardly. And Tony's family received a six figure payout from the car insurance car car insurer, which is standard in the UK I guess for motor vehicle fatalities. Caroline and several other people have in the justice system as well have criticized the police for failing to protect her and to saying like. And for asking her to go undercover on their behalf and then not even be helpful.

[Leona]

Like just like totally.

[Christine]

And then threatening to arrest her. It's like this is. This is the. You see like this harassment and. And so, you know, she was really going through. She's like, well, they wanted me to help, but then I had to pretend to be on their side. But then I kind of was and I was on drug. I mean the whole thing was a mess. And these men who were like, well, she had a doctorate. It's like you like, oh, she was

[Leona]

wearing like truly back the.

[Christine]

You know, like she was asking for it like you. So Anyway, as of 2026, as far as we know, Caroline lives by the sea. She is sober now and she is in a new relationship with a man that she describes as kind.

[Leona]

Good.

[Christine]

So that is the story. And talk about. About ups and downs. Man.

[Leona]

Did you watch? First of all, well done telling that.

[Christine]

Oh, well, thank you. I mean it was a. It tells itself really.

[Leona]

Did you see the movie, the drama?

[Christine]

I don't think so.

[Leona]

It just like. It just came out like. But it had Zendaya and Robert Pattinson in it.

[Christine]

Oh, oh. Is it good?

[Leona]

It is. It's not exactly this situation, but it is very. There were similar reminiscence. Basically they're about to get married and they decide they're going to tell each other like, what's the worst thing either of us have ever done?

[Christine]

Oh my God. That was like the conversation that they had to start this whole thing. Be careful, people.

[Leona]

Yeah. And like Robert Pattinson is like this, like just.

[Christine]

We don't.

[Leona]

Don't.

[Christine]

No spoilers.

[Leona]

No, just. He's like just this very goofy guy and like can't even think of anything. And then she ends up having something. Something adjacent to this.

[Christine]

I won't say her secret.

[Leona]

Totally similar, but. But then he. I mean the whole movie is him grappling with like, how do I marry somebody with this information?

[Christine]

Wow.

[Leona]

It's very. And it's a good movie if you. It's. It's certainly a Conversation piece. I saw it with my mom and it was a good talk. It was very topical. I think it's a. Let's just put this way. It's a question that a lot of people in the next generation might. Not a lot, but someone will have to have this conversation in the next generation.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. I'm gonna watch this. Literally, I'm gonna hang up on you and watch this now. I'm so curious.

[Leona]

It's very topical. That's all I'm gonna say. And it's a really good conversation. Start at the end, but it's.

[Christine]

I think that's all we need, more conversation starters.

[Leona]

Yeah, no, I. I don't think it's a conversation to have here, certainly. But, you know, it's worth it. If you watch it with somebody, it'll make you guys talk afterwards.

[Christine]

Okay. Movie club.

[Leona]

But no, great. Great storytelling. What a disaster of a story, though.

[Christine]

I know, man. And I. It's just like. It's just a train wreck. Really? Really.

[Leona]

Did you. Where is she now?

[Christine]

She's.

[Leona]

You said she's living by the sea. Great place to live.

[Christine]

Don't I know it.

[Leona]

I've always wanted to live by this.

[Christine]

I wouldn't. I wouldn't know it, but.

[Leona]

Well, good job, Christine. What are your plans for the rest

[Christine]

of the day, man? Leona's at the zoo. So I think I'm gonna watch this movie, the drama, and just like, talk to myself. What are you gonna do?

[Leona]

I'm sure there's something I need to. There's. The whole other side of this bench is a nightmare, so I probably should clean, but I don't know if I'm going to, so please don't. I don't know. We'll see. Depends on my mood. I need to eat something at some point.

[Christine]

So do I.

[Leona]

Anyway.

[Christine]

Exciting.

[Leona]

Yeah. Nothing really crazy is going on right now.

[Christine]

Remember when we would record and then like go to. What was that thing? The outside movies?

[Leona]

Oh, street food cinema.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That happened like twice. But still.

[Leona]

That's coming up. I think it actually starts next week, so.

[Christine]

I remember there was the day I got my tattoo. I think we went with like, Matt and Chanel. Yes.

[Leona]

See Back to the Future.

[Christine]

That's right.

[Leona]

Cuz it was our birthday weekend and you got the tattoo and I wanted to go see Back to the Future.

[Christine]

That's right. And then someone stole that picture of Gio and got a bunch of credit for it on Reddit. I forgot about that in the Back to the Future subreddit. I was like, that's my dog.

[Leona]

No, I. What am I. I have the dog park. I. I told you I'm throwing Hank a bark mitzvah for his B day next month. I told you that. Oh, yeah, because he's technically gonna be 13, right? My human years.

[Christine]

God.

[Leona]

So he's gonna have a bark mitzvah. Going to make everyone at the dog park play dreidel. We got him some nuts.

[Christine]

Star of David cookies. What the.

[Leona]

He has a bandana that says nice Jewish boy. Boy, which I love. I'm trying to find him a. Well, we have talked about this, because I remember saying yarmulke and then trying to turn it into Pamuka and then it not working.

[Christine]

That was not. That was not me.

[Leona]

Well, I still. I didn't.

[Christine]

Maybe it was a weird dream we both had, but I don't remember it.

[Leona]

Maybe. But we're gonna. It'll be fun. And he's. I'm also. At some point, I've decided I'm now just the mayor of the dog park because I'm gonna start throwing events there, and my first event is going to be a spelling bee at the dog park.

[Christine]

Shut. Wait, for whom? For the dogs.

[Leona]

No. Can you imagine?

[Christine]

I mean, I don't know. Why. What else would you host a event for at a dog park? I don't understand.

[Leona]

Well, you know, the people at the dog park are friends, and just to

[Christine]

prevent boredom, hosting spelling bee.

[Leona]

Just going to shove everyone into a spelling be.

[Christine]

I want to do the spelling bee. I would win the spelling bee.

[Leona]

Some people have already told me they're. I mean, I've announced it to people. I'm like, a spelling bee is coming. So, like, if you're here that day, you're going to be is. I guess I'm not. I. I warned people that a spelling bee would be there eventually.

[Christine]

That's really, really, really evil.

[Leona]

I mean, if they don't want to,

[Christine]

I'm excited about that.

[Leona]

But if they don't want to do it, they don't have to. But I will be asking everyone there on a busy day who wants to be part of the spelling bee?

[Christine]

And a lot of people spelling be.

[Leona]

I was just trying to think of something that would require no money. Oh. Because I also thought eventually I'd like to do a bingo there. People have said they want to do a trivia a. A movie in the park. So that way all the dogs can be there, but we can also watch a movie.

[Christine]

Okay. Okay, wait. So what's the first word of the spelling be?

[Leona]

I Don't know. But I feel like I gotta start easy. People have requested to start easy, which. It's got to get harder and harder.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.

[Leona]

But I don't know how easy to start. Like, are we just spelling dog? Like, that's not fair.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah, you can tell a health me and then I'll. I'll participate that way.

[Leona]

I. I do have a couple people who have already said that they will participate in the first round. They will not make it past the first round. They can't spell. Dogs do not claim to be good spellers. But no, I'm very excited. I've been talking about it for a while. I started a walking group there.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[Leona]

I really have become a bit of like the PTA parent at the.

[Christine]

Oh, wow. You're like event coordinator.

[Leona]

But no, there's like a. A group of us that all do laps together and.

[Christine]

Oh my God, you're like mall walkers.

[Leona]

Yeah, we are like mall walkers, but for the dog park walkers and then. But no, it's. So I was like, oh, what else could we do? And I said, spelling bee. And everyone was like, that'd be the most random one. And I was like, okay, well, I'll do that next. So I think I'm gonna do the bark mitzvah in May. Then for my birthday, maybe it'll be the spelling bee, because that's a good reason to force people to do things.

[Christine]

It feels like my birthday is a spelling bee. I never thought you'd have a spelling bee birthday, but yeah, it sounds right down my alley.

[Leona]

Preferably. I'd like to host a drunk spelling bee, but I. I can't get people to get drunk in public.

[Christine]

You're not going to get them wasted in the dog park. Yeah, but that'd be a little trouble.

[Leona]

Know that that's my next step. This is just the practice spelling bee.

[Christine]

Oh. This is to get your. Just like handle on the event space. And then I like throwing little events.

[Leona]

I never get to do it anymore. So I. That's the dog park. People seem to be fine. Exciting. Yeah, exciting. Yesterday I went early and we cleaned up the park because the foxtails are out and so we had to. We did a whole cleaning crew situation.

[Christine]

Oh, and you're taking care of the space. I love this.

[Leona]

It's. It's my part of my every day, so I might as well learn to like it. So. And I'm trying to make it more fun by things like it's. Believe me. So.

[Christine]

Well, if anybody, if ever you bury a body, I know where to look.

[Leona]

Yeah, well, Hank's body will probably be buried there one day with a nice little grave that I tend to. Anyway. I don't know. I don't know how we got here, but that's what I'm doing. Today is the dog park, because it's all I do, so.

[Christine]

Fantastic. Well, you say hi to your constituents. I'm going to go lay down.

[Leona]

Thank you. Other than that. Yeah. Tell Gio I say hi. Hank says hi.

[Christine]

He'll know what it means.

[Leona]

He'll know what it means. Tell him. Tell him Hank says.

[Christine]

Gio says. That's what he does.

[Leona]

I'm not going to tell Hank because he'll take that personally. But he.

[Christine]

He should.

[Leona]

Yeah, it's pretty rude. Okay. And that's why we drink.

[Christine]

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[Leona]

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