E484 A Ghost Ensemble and a Witch Magnate

Summary

Podcast Summary: "A Ghost Ensemble and a Witch Magnate"

And That's Why We Drink – Episode 484
Hosts: Christine Schiefer & Em Schulz
Release Date: May 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode seamlessly meshes chilling ghostly lore with a notorious unsolved true crime from 1970s Florida. Em dives deep into the haunted history of the Egyptian Theatre in DeKalb, Illinois—a hotbed of spectral activity—while Christine explores the brutal, mysterious murder of socialite, model, and TV personality Athalia Ponsell Lindsley. It's a classic "Worlds Collide" installment—ghosts, scandals, and a touch of small-town politics run amok.

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Casual Banter and Catch-Up (04:09–13:25)

• Drinks of the Week: Christine sips raspberry lemonade (“raslum”), while Em covets it, sparking lighthearted envy over water bottle mysteries.
• Astrological Chit-Chat: The hosts muse about Mercury signs and personal weirdness—Christine: “My Mercury is in Taurus... it’s direct communication. But I’m also a total airhead.” (06:10)
• Summery Complaints: It's sweltering out, making trips to the dog park almost unbearable.
• Trying New Things: Christine nervously plans to join Blaze and friends at a women’s Jiu Jitsu class—for self-defense and to push her boundaries. “It feels a little bit like, no hey, gay. Blaze said, we could soon roll around together.” (14:19) Em starts guitar lessons—slowly, with the “belt system” for kids.
• Notable Quote:
  • “I just want to beat up a boy so bad.” – Christine (20:07)

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Podcast Announcements & Transparency (20:15–24:01)

Ad Placement Update:
Christine addresses listeners about shifting ad breaks to "commercial islands" for improved show sustainability—reassuring fans and inviting feedback.

“We always want you to be part of the conversation. Oh, that is called a Mercury in Taurus—you really locked in.” (24:01 – Christine)

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Haunted Theatrics: The Egyptian Theatre, DeKalb, IL (26:10–74:48)

Brief History & Odd Trivia (28:55–47:06)

• Origins: Opened in 1929; designed to cash in on the “Egyptian craze” after the discovery of King Tut’s tomb.
• Extravagance Curbed: Original grandeur (marble floors, tall ceilings, attached hotel) cut short by the stock market crash; “They literally lowered the ceilings and scavenged tile from other construction sites.” (39:16)
• First Film: A horse-racing comedy (now lost media)—the only surviving element is the poster with the tagline:
  • “The gasps of an earthquake. The yells of a mirthquake.” (34:23)
• No Air Conditioning Until 2019:
  • “I want you to tell me…what year A.C. was finally put in—after being cut in 1929?”
  • “2019? Oh my God!” (41:03–41:27)
• The theater is now restored, regularly hosts proms, graduations, and even held a haunted house.

Ghostly Residents & Phenomena (46:41–74:48)

Main Ghosts

1. Irv Comerfeld & His Favorite Seat

   • Died of a heart attack after a show in his favorite chair
   • Ghostly activities: seen walking the aisle, shadowy figures in doorway, residual cigarette smoke.
   • “Do we feel you go up and down aisle one?” // Spirit box: “Yes, it’s me.” (68:05)
   • Seat remains as the only original from 1929.

2. The Lady in Green

   • Elegant, anonymous, vibrant—often seen in the balcony during early hours or rehearsals.
   • Described as “chatty” on spirit boxes; sometimes smokes a Cruella de Vil-style cigarette.
     • “She seems to be very chatty…except her name. She keeps some things to herself.” (55:57)
   • Only the balcony lights near her turn off when discussed (58:23).

The Ensemble

• Ghostly children: Little girl (only appears in summer, perhaps a former resident’s child); little boy (first appeared during a haunted house event, often seen in dressing room).
• Janitor Charlie: Seen sweeping the stage, often accompanies blue orbs.
• The Angry Bathroom Woman: Territorial spirit in the basement women’s bathroom—slamming doors, banshee-like wails, palpable dread.
  • “She feels like a poison to society… hates herself…trying to scare you off so you’re nowhere near her.” (63:13)
  • Notable Exchange:
    • “I would probably just, like, toss a tampon down…what can I offer you that doesn’t involve human interaction?” (72:21)

Activity & Communication

• Objects move, doors slam, performances interrupted, old “script paper” sounds, shots of shadowy audiences.
• Spirit box responses are eerily fluent (“SINGER.” / “That’s right.”; “No,” when asked to keep talking; “The dots—right,” referring to lights on REM pod)
• “Game ready.” (69:44) – Ghost seems excited by the colorful lights of the equipment.
• “Are you right by me?” Spirit box: “Indeed.” (69:44)

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Memorable Quotes & Banter

• “Ghosts can haunt haunting themselves…” (50:51 – Em)
• “Imagine if after your first big spar, you throw some girl on the ground and say, ‘Sorry, I’m a Taurus in Mercury. You wouldn’t understand.’” (16:20)
• “Why did they just… What do you mean? It was what, what was wrong with it?” (36:10 – Christine on lost film reels)
• “Now we just gotta tell you about that ass day and the time there was a rat… We didn’t get a bathroom.” (42:28 – Christine, on live show horror stories)

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True Crime Deep Dive: The Murder of Athalia Ponsell Lindsley (79:57–118:48)

Background (80:11–89:53)

• Who was Athalia?
  • Born 1917, daughter of an Ohio utilities magnate. Beautiful, “willowy,” quick-witted, “not interested in making friends.”
  • Powers modeling graduate, WWII Broadway dancer, and television personality (“Winner Take All” game show)—yet all footage lost.
    • “It’s just a little bit ominous… that there’s no footage of it anywhere.” (85:38)
  • Dated Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.; married three times—final marriage to Jinx Lindsley, real estate agent/former mayor.
  • Known for outspokenness and being divisive in her affluent community.

Feud and Build-Up (90:10–98:01)

• Feud With Allan Stanford:
  • Neighbor and county engineer; disliked Athalia’s menagerie of rescue animals.
  • Disputes over noise, pets, physical property boundaries—Athalia escalates with nuisance reports and allegations about credentials.
  • “You’re a vicious and evil woman, one day I’m going to fix you.” (96:27)

The Murder (99:30–104:49)

• Date: January 23, 1974
• Circumstances:
  • Athalia returns home, walks her crippled blue jay (“Clementine”) in a cage.
  • Attacked on her front steps by a man in a white dress shirt, wielding a machete—struck 9 times, nearly decapitated; bird cage smashed, bird never seen again.
• Witness:
  • 18-year-old neighbor Locke McCormick sees a man fitting Allan Stanford’s build leaving scene.

Investigation and Theories (104:49–112:37)

• Physical Evidence:
  • Bloody shirt, pants, and a machete found miles away—items traced to neighbor Allan.
  • “All the clothes say his name... it was definitely like, an act of some sort.” (105:49)
• Defense Arguments:
  • Accusation of evidence being planted, suggestion mechanic Dewey Lee could have been the killer.
• Trial Outcome:
  • Jury deliberates two hours over a meal “on the county.”
  • Allan Stanford acquitted.
  • Sheriff refuses to investigate further.

The Second Murder and Ongoing Mystery (112:37–116:57)

• More Unsolved Violence:
  • Athalia’s friend Francis Bemis, attempting to write a book on the murder, is herself killed in a nearly identical, brutal fashion (skull crushed with a concrete block, body partially burned)—shortly before trial preparation.
• No Answers:
  • Neither murder solved. 2012 DNA re-examination yields no suspects.

Notable Quotes

• “This feels like a closed case to me.” (111:57 – Em)
• “Just the story of a successful woman everyone hated… and the men got away with it.” (117:00 – Christine)
• “We finally have a fun character with a bird and a TV show, and you had to go and fuck it all up.” (117:23 – Christine)

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Major Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:09 – Main show intro
• 20:15 – Ad placement changes explained
• 26:10 – Em’s Egyptian Theatre story begins
• 46:41 – Ghost stories at Egyptian Theatre
• 72:48 – Story concludes, segues to Christine
• 79:57 – Christine’s true crime story begins
• 112:37 – Second murder (Francis Bemis)
• 116:57 – Both murders remain unsolved
• 117:50 – Christine’s Jiu Jitsu anxiety & episode wrap

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Warm, sarcastic, quick-witted: Even when broaching dark subjects, the hosts find humorous asides, relatable anxieties, and pop-culture tangents.
• Transparent: Honest about show changes and emotional reactions (frustration, anger, nerves).
• Supportive Friendship: The hosts’ mutual encouragement—about personal struggles, hobbies, and dealing with dark material—provides a reassuring undertone.

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Final Thoughts

Em delivers a rich, atmospheric paranormal legend that balances history and the absurd, while Christine’s true crime deep-dive exposes small-town corruption, misogyny, and one of Florida’s most chilling cold cases. Both stories shine with vivid description and pointed commentary—plus plenty of laughs to get you through the chills.

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Useful Links:

• ParaPods Patreon for ad-free episodes
• Yale New Haven Living Donor Program: ynh.org/organdonation or 866-925-3897 (Listener Mali is in need of a kidney donation)

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"We always want you to be part of the conversation… and that is called a Mercury in Taurus." – Christine (24:01)

"Just the story of a successful woman everyone hated… and the men got away with it." – Christine (117:00)

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And that’s why we drink!

Transcript

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[Megan]

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[Katie]

need to tell you I bought a cobblestone electric fireplace. Well, well, well, you know, I want in my witchy cottage, I needed a cobblestone, nice dark wood mantel on top, electric fireplace. Now it feels like I'm just, I'm hiding from all the villagers with my potions. It's very wonderful. Thank you Wayfair.

[Megan]

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[Katie]

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[Megan]

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[Katie]

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[Megan]

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[Katie]

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[Megan]

Hello and welcome to and that's why We Drink. We are here today to discuss all the things that make us imbibe.

[Katie]

That's right. Yes. Today I'm imbibing on a raspberry lemonade. A raslum, as you know, as a.

[Megan]

As all the really hip people call it. Sure.

[Katie]

It's just one of those little powders. It gets me going every time I take a sip. I apologize to the YouTubers because you'll see me roll my eyes into the back of my head every time I sip it. It's so delicious.

[Megan]

Oh, it's apologies. I would like an apology just for myself. Also, while we're here, just.

[Katie]

You can look away. You just look over there. Right over.

[Megan]

Just close my eyes.

[Katie]

It's. Yeah, I'm not kidding this. Like I'm trying. I have to stifle my. The sounds that come out of me when I'm drinking. I'm like, it is so delicious. Oh, you know what? You'll. You'll see. They'll all say, do you have any?

[Megan]

Do you have any? First of all, calm down. Second of all, I don't know that I want to see. Third of all, do you have any Taurus in your chart? Because you're really getting. You're giving me some Taurus vibes.

[Katie]

And you.

[Megan]

As you know, I've been studying my astrology, and I'm just like, you know, a lot of sensory. You're very into, like, tastes and feeling. Feels of like.

[Katie]

Well, thank you. I take that as a compliment. I don't know. I really, other than my big three, don't know anything. Just I don't know.

[Megan]

You'll see. You'll all see.

[Katie]

I'll see. I'm telling you. What about you? Do you have any Taurus in your chart?

[Megan]

I do. My mercury is in Taurus. Isn't that fun? I think I didn't realize that, and I learned that and I thought, that's strange. It doesn't fit me. And then I kind of thought about it and I was like, I guess it sort of does. It's like direct communication. Like, kind of like straight to the point. Like, very like grounded communication. But I'm also like, I don't know. I'm kind of a total airhead, so I feel like most of my conversations are far from grounded. So I'm kind of reconciling with Taurus. But you have Gemini. I mean, not to just know your chart, but you have Gemini Mercury. Yeah.

[Katie]

Interesting.

[Megan]

Yeah. So that makes sense for you as

[Katie]

I'm pulling the hair.

[Megan]

Gemini energy.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Megan]

But I don't know what the Taurus about me says, but, well, that's exciting. I'm glad you got your eyes rolling to the back of your head over that gross looking water bottle.

[Katie]

It does look gross. I. Every time I see someone with a water bottle and there's something not clear in it, I'm like, different color is going on.

[Megan]

Same.

[Katie]

What is.

[Megan]

Oh, my God. I took a sip of Blaze's water bottle. He didn't know this. And I was like, what the. It wasn't like gin, but it was like some Raslam situation. And I almost, like, vomited. I was like, I didn't. I don't like that. It's a mystery liquid in this water bottle. Like, a water bottle is for water.

[Katie]

That's.

[Megan]

I know a lot of people disagree with that, but it. For me, I'm like, I have my cups for powder stuff, and I Have my cups for water.

[Katie]

I have my. I have that same feeling. Well, I have the anxiety of that happening every time I go to a restaurant and get iced tea. Because I'm like, what is your version of this? I don't want it.

[Megan]

Could be anything. Could be anything.

[Katie]

I ordered it, but I don't want it. I would prefer safety read the room.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Because some people are like, like, there's one mirrors where there's a restaurant down the street where we're like, oh, can we get nice tea? And they're like, oh, do you want the. What's it called? Like the Fiesta tea? And I'm like, I don't want that at all. That sounds like hell. Please just give me some dirty ground dirt tea water, please.

[Megan]

It sounds like hell. Yeah. Oh, boy. So. So you drink your Razzlemen. Okay. Well, do you have a reason why you drink this week?

[Katie]

Not an interesting one. It's just. It's so effing hot. The summer has come. I don't like it. I was really last. Last week, two days ago, I went to the dog park and I went with a blanket wrapped around me and it was like nice and chilly and like everyone was cozy. All of a sudden, hottest experience of my life.

[Megan]

Roasting, sweating.

[Katie]

Like then yesterday, then I went to the dog park within. It was a 24 hour period yesterday when everyone was like, the dog gets 20 minutes and then we're all going home. It's like two.

[Megan]

Oh my God. We've got a passionate. I mean. And like, that's when I see the raslan come out and I'm like, I get it. Because sometimes you really need like a hydration supplement and like the vessel is going to be a clear water bottle. And it's just how it is today because it's just summertime. Get over it.

[Katie]

I mean, is that your catchphrase now?

[Megan]

This is my Mercury in Taurus. Maybe it's cut. It's coming into its own.

[Katie]

Get over it.

[Megan]

Get over it. Close the door and kick a rock or two.

[Katie]

You where you try to Jersey Shore that for a second and then forgot halfway through. Probably open the door and realize it.

[Megan]

Realize it. Step through it. Kick a rock or two and get with the program and fly the kite

[Katie]

while you're at it.

[Megan]

So fly a kite up your own ass if you will.

[Katie]

Oh, my. You know, and all I said was, they'll all see. And that was crazy for you.

[Megan]

Wow. And that sent me into a tizzy. But you know what? It was also inspiring.

[Katie]

Thank you. You know what? I miss wake up and smell the coffee.

[Megan]

Now that's good.

[Katie]

Now that was a good one.

[Megan]

That's really good. That's really good. Remember that weird Folgers commercial where, like, the brother and sister, like, were, like, making out? You made a face like you didn't know, and then you said, yeah, they banged, and I went, oh, thank God we're on the same page here. Yeah, I mean, it's for sure.

[Katie]

Like, the banging part is certainly not on camera, but it's before and after.

[Megan]

Read the room. Boo. Buddy, if you don't mind.

[Katie]

They should be kicking rocks in, like, separate rooms.

[Megan]

Like, oh, they should be separated for sure. They should open the door and then close it between them.

[Katie]

What's this? They say, like, oh, my Christmas gift is you. I did. I. I dare you. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I dare you. For Christmas. It's around the corner. I want you to.

[Megan]

Just don't say that.

[Katie]

I just need you to put a bow on your stupid head and walk over to Sandy.

[Megan]

If you don't think that we have already played this joke on our own family. Like, listen, when that came out, we were both. I think it was like, we were in high school or something, and it was the worst possible time for everyone to make. Be making, like, sibling incest jokes, and we were like, this is not funny. But for a while there, it was the joke. And I think probably Renee spearheaded that campaign. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, you're on to something. And I don't necessarily look forward to the reboot, but it might have to happen for the views.

[Katie]

You're telling me you don't want to throw a bow on Zandy's head and say, you're my gift this year?

[Megan]

Yeah. Read the room, people. It's. The vibe has shifted.

[Katie]

God, I'd pay so much. I would pay so much to see that.

[Megan]

It would be, you see, sibling incest.

[Katie]

Okay, well, no, just the bow part.

[Megan]

Okay. Just the. Just the bit.

[Katie]

Just, like, the bit I just want to see.

[Megan]

Got it.

[Katie]

Just the one liner and the reaction and then fade to black. That's all I want.

[Megan]

Okay, well, we'll. I'll make sure to put a crossfade in there just for the fade to black. And I'll put credits at the end with your name on it just to give you the kind of. Kind of credit.

[Katie]

Thank you. I appreciate it. Now, other than the very specific vision I just put in your head, why do you drink?

[Megan]

Well, certainly that's now top of the list. There are so many reasons, you know, it's like, every day I'm, like, finding a new reason to just have an existential crisis. But I think we're all in the same boat, right? And then today I woke up and I thought, I'm going to post a tarot reading on TikTok. What? Who's that? I don't know. I'm a Taurus. My Mercury's in Taurus, so nobody knows what that means. And so I am sort of trying to, you know, find out. And so I posted this video, and I'm kind of freaking out because I'm like, what am I doing? You know, that, like, imposter syndrome. Because I don't know. I do a lot of tarot, but I do it, like, at home by myself or with, like, Blaze or my brother or my mother, and that's about it. Or Leona, but she usually just ignores me. But so I'm, like, used to doing it, but then I'm like, oh, it's so. It's odd to, like, have people, like, watch it, you know?

[Katie]

Well. Cause you, like, who's gonna mansplain it to you in some way? Tarot story.

[Megan]

It's like, putting yourself out there, you know, a little bit in a new way. And so it's fun, but I'm just expl. And then also I drink, because speaking of exploring, I've been trying new things, kind of like you. Like, I've. I've been practicing watercolor for fun, like I mentioned, and I'm actually today, and I'm literally, my. I'm gonna just poop my pants. I'm so nervous. I'm going to Blaze's Jiu Jitsu gym later to do.

[Katie]

To watch him.

[Megan]

To do a class. Okay, I know.

[Katie]

That's fine.

[Megan]

Help.

[Katie]

Why are you scared just because you don't want to. It's performance anxiety.

[Megan]

I'm. Yeah, I guess. And I'm just like. I don't know. I've never been to his gym before.

[Katie]

Like, okay, are you worried he's gonna see?

[Megan]

I'm, like, worried he's gonna see and also not see. I'm like, I'm worried he's gonna be there, and then I'm worried he's not.

[Katie]

Like, are you worried his friends are gonna say something?

[Megan]

Yeah. Well, no. Okay, so his friends are the ones who are. So. Okay, so Blaze has been going to gym for a while, and I. I've been. We're very blazing. I are very independent in our own ways. Like, we're very close. Like, very close when we're together. But then, like, we have like, you and Allison, right? Like very separate. Like, we do our own hobbies and then we like, reconvene, discuss. And so he's been doing Jiu Jitsu for years now and he teaches a foundations course. And by the way, shout out to their gym because it's lovely. It's called Bendu and it's in Northside Cincinnati. And they are so welcoming. And that's why I'm going, because I'm just proving to myself, like, hey, Blaze. And his friend Blaine, by the way, shout out to Blaine and Blaze.

[Katie]

Like, actually, that's like, don't even anime get me.

[Megan]

Thank you. Don't even get me started. Okay, so Skyla also teaches. Shout to Skyla. She teaches the women's class. And I'm excited and terrified. And they have kids classes. It's just a very welcoming environment. And they built it, Blaine built it out of like, a place that they were before that was not quite such a welcoming environment, let's say. So today I'm finally joining the women's class for the first time. And Blaze is like, excited. I'm excited and I just am nervous. But yeah, if anybody wants to. And apparently it's very low key, like Blaze said, just, you know, it's just more about technique. There's no like, crazy training or like, exercising. It's like very just kind of focused on like the basics of Jiu jitsu. And I have no clue what I'm doing, but I'm really in this era of figuring out what the fuck is going on with, you know, the world. So I figured, why not? Fuck it.

[Katie]

That's very cool. I think you'll be really good at it.

[Megan]

Thank you. I don't think so, but it's fun. And it also looks a little bit like I'm like, everyone's just like rolling around with each other on the floor. It feels a little bit like, no, hey, gay. And Blaze said, I mean, soon be

[Katie]

able to roll around together. I don't know.

[Megan]

Oh, for the first time.

[Katie]

First time. I, I, no, I have a friend not out here, but she came to visit and she does Jiu jitsu. And she was like, let me just show you. And then kablam. I was on the ground, on the floor and she's itty bitty and oh, that's not. And she, that's. I mean, that's like the whole thing. It's like, it's not about. Anyway, I, I was k owed before I was even aware what was happening.

[Megan]

I know. And like, that Happened to me when I was little. I was like 13. And my. I had this cousin, or I do have this cousin Magda, and she's like just one of my faves. No offense to all my other cousins, but Magda is just like one of those people where you're like, oh, my God. And she would take me under her wing for the best and for the worst. And one time. So she won this. Like, she won, like, the Austrian. I'm probably misquoting this, but, like, the Austrian judo champions, like, that's incredible. Yeah. At like, age 20 or so. I don't know. Something like that. And one day I. I kind of, like, jokingly was like, I could beat you up. Literally. I don't remember. I just suddenly couldn't breathe. And I was looking at the little

[Katie]

tweety birds circling around you 100%.

[Megan]

And I was just like, I couldn't breathe. I'd like. The wind was knocked out of me and I was like, cool. Yeah. Never, never making that joke again.

[Katie]

But how cool if you get. Not even really good, just a little good, and all of a sudden you just go, oh, by the way, Magda, I think I could kick your ass again. And then.

[Megan]

I love to kick her ass. She, you know, she would destroy me. She coaches, like, the national. No, she doesn't coach the national. Women's soccer. She coaches some sort of high up coat women's soccer. She probably still kicked my ass, but, man, I want to try it.

[Katie]

I mean, I really do think you would be very good at it. I don't know. What. There's something in your spirit. Must be that Taurus and Mercury or some. Can you imagine if after your first, like, big spar or, I don't know, battle, whatever they call it.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Katie]

Imag. Imagine you throw some girl on the ground and they go, sorry, I'm a Taurus in Mercury. You wouldn't understand.

[Megan]

Oh, my God. And she'd be like, oh, my God, me too.

[Katie]

I love girlhood. I love girls.

[Megan]

That's why I'm excited. I'm like, and Leona's gonna come because they're gonna pick me up. And then I take Leona home and Blaze teaches his class. And I'm like, oh, my God. We're, like, all going to the same gym. And I'm so scared and so excited.

[Katie]

Is Leona in class?

[Megan]

She's not yet, but I think, like, in the next couple years, she's gonna start. She really wants to.

[Katie]

Yeah, no, I. I always told Allison that I don't give A shit if our, like, what hobbies our kid has. Like, I'm not gonna force them into like a quote, common sport. Like my only non negotiable. Especially, Especially if we have a daughter. Would be self defense. You just have to know it.

[Megan]

Yeah. I just think at this point, like if you're gonna pick a hobby, like,

[Katie]

let's might as well protect you.

[Megan]

Let's do that one. Let's do that one. Yeah. And then watercoloring and poetry also for the softer side, you know, to cut with a knife. But like, like psychiatrically. Yeah, that sounds bad. Sounds bad.

[Katie]

But it's just be philosophical and try to talk things out and be interested

[Megan]

in your feelings with words, you know?

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Megan]

I'm an air sign. I don't know if you know that about me.

[Katie]

Okay. I'm very proud of you. I. How long does it take for someone to like, get like. I'm such an asshole. I was gonna call it a ribbon. What's the belt? Go over to blaze and be like, oh my God, your ribbons are so.

[Megan]

Oh my God. Can I tie it in a bow? Can I tie it in a French knot? Can I braid it? I know. It's like. Well, I get. I don't know. I don't know anything.

[Katie]

For the dopamine spike though, like, how often are you getting them, you know, like. So I've been taking guitar.

[Megan]

Oh, right. Oh, wow.

[Katie]

Yeah. Fun fact.

[Megan]

Did not know. How is that going? Are you singing too or just playing bad? Do you get a metal. A ribbon for that?

[Katie]

Well, so they go by like. It's literally. I go to a little kid's guitar place.

[Megan]

Good lit.

[Katie]

And I told them, I need you to. I'm. This is not a moment where you get to like act all cool and you know chords and I. I need you to treat me like I just got my brain.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

And if you think what you're about to say might be technically complex at all for like, make it dumber.

[Megan]

Dumber.

[Katie]

And one of the things they do at this like, meant for children guitar place is that they go by like the one of them. Jujitsu, karate, whatever. They go by the same belt system, but they use.

[Megan]

Oh. Oh.

[Katie]

So I'm currently a white pick. But then. Oh my God, after you like learn a certain amount with them, then you get like. You have to. There's a whole ceremony of the swap with a different color. I don't. I think it's purple. I don't know.

[Megan]

Wow. But.

[Katie]

Oh, there's a bug. I'll kill it. Later. Anyway, I. Wow. It was a gnat.

[Megan]

We're fine, Mr. Miyagi.

[Katie]

That'd be crazy if I just picked it up and just went, oh. Anyway, I'll get that later.

[Megan]

Anyway, good luck with your martial arts. Okay. I'll be at the guitar with my black belt.

[Katie]

Anyway, I. But so they. That's the closest.

[Megan]

I can't wait till you're a black belt in the guitar and I'm a black belt in jiu jitsu.

[Katie]

That would be sick. And I'll play all your theme songs when you walk out.

[Megan]

Oh, my God.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Megan]

It's gonna be like nothing anyone's ever

[Katie]

seen, by the way, when you get your black pick, there's, like, literally, like, you get your name on the wall. I know.

[Megan]

I cannot wait for that day memorialized forever.

[Katie]

So, anyway, I'm glad. Anyway, I'm very proud of you, and I. I hope you stick with it long enough to get one belt, because then I just know in the magic that is ADHD is all of a sudden, you'll be a black belt very quickly.

[Megan]

It's just, you know, it's like the slippery slope that we love and hate.

[Katie]

You need a. You need a reward, a fun little treat. And if the fun little tree is something you can also wear. Are you kidding me?

[Megan]

Exactly. And it comes in colors. Oh, my God. I just want to beat up a boy so bad.

[Katie]

I get it.

[Megan]

Okay, I want to say one more thing before we get into the episode. This part is, like, awkward and uncomfortable, but we have to discuss it because we want to be as transparent with you as always. We're discussing ad placement today very briefly. We. First of all, if you're like, ads all the way, I get it. Go to Patreon. Ad free episodes. Took us a while to get there because it took a lot of logistics, but Megan and Jack are kicking ass making ad free episodes on Patreon. Go to Patreon if you are like, no ads for me. That being said, the episodes here, obviously are still free as always. Still long as f. But we do want to give you a heads up. We are tweaking the ad placement a bit. And I know that, like, unsettles some people's routine and way of listening, so we want to make sure you know that before it happens. Unless we've already put an ad in this episode, in which case, surprise. But just so you know, we are shifting the ad breaks to basically keep up with industry standards. And we've done this. We've held back from this for a long time. But we're going to give you the. The reasoning behind it and the explanation of what's happening. Our network Q code, one of the reasons that we even signed on with them, also known as Daylight, is because they have this very ethical, collaborative sales model. They're. The way they do ads is meant to sustain. They're called commercial islands. They're meant to really sustain, especially smaller shows, independent shows, small businesses like ours, where we have other shows on the network. All of our podcasts on parapods are already doing these commercial islands. But we wanted to let you all know first before we, like, made that transition, because we don't want to just, like, upset the Apple cart. Right. So it's not going to affect any, like, distribution platform ads we don't have control over. If, like, Spotify and Apple are, like, harassing you on their own terms. Right.

[Katie]

We apologize in advance for that.

[Megan]

Yeah, that's not. That's not us. If you hear a cut, like in the middle of one of our sentences and it goes to an ad, that is not us, we did not do that. Jack is a very good editor, and he knows extremely well when to place the ads because he also gets all this feedback from listeners. Right. So he was actually the one who really helped work out this plan for us. We do these commercial islands now. The format, the pre roll is going to be the same. There's going to be a first ad island after the intro dialogue, a second ad island halfway through M story, third and fourth between our stories, and then a potential fifth island during my story. If. If one is. Yeah, it depends. Some episodes there will be, some won't be. So we just want to let you know that we know you're, like, not here for ads or ad talk, but we don't want you to feel like we pulled the rug out from under you and, you know, taking a break from. And all this is, you know, ads are what kind of keep the podcast alive. And we don't want to bother you with them, but we at least try to make them fun. Like, we do have fun with the ads and we. We do care about our sponsors a lot. So if you don't, if you really hate them, I'm sorry. You know, I know that it's kind of a pain, but you can fast forward if possible. I know on my AirPods you can do, like, the skip forward. Sometimes I do that if I'm, like, doing dishes or whatever. But anyway, we just wanted to keep you posted. And we're trying to do this really as mindfully as Possible, but it's kind of like we've reached a point where we just to adapt to the standard that our network has and that our other shows have and uphold. Then we want it to be the most like, easy listening experience. Like, we don't want this to be like a huge pack of ads all in one that you have to skip like minutes over. And that's kind of the whole idea. So all that to say sorry for the blabbing. We won't talk about it again. But I just wanted to make sure I really familiarize myself with all this before bringing it to you all so that you can know what we know behind the scenes. And please know we're trying. We're going to hear your feedback, we're going to listen and do what's best. But we just love you and we always want you to be part of the conversation. Oh, that is called a Mercury in Taurus.

[Katie]

You really locked in. You went, I'm on it. And don't worry, I had a lot

[Megan]

of fun with that.

[Katie]

Oh, good. Well, great. Okay. Would you like a story?

[Megan]

Please.

[Katie]

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[Megan]

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[Katie]

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[Megan]

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[Katie]

Z-E-N-N-I.com podcast promo code podcast15I. Let's see if you recall this is a part two.

[Megan]

I do recall.

[Katie]

Oh, okay. That would have been real silly if I went. Anyway, here's a random topic and you had to call me out. That would have been.

[Megan]

You've never had to call me because neither of us ever remembered the three times I failed at bringing up a second part of a story that I was meant to. So don't worry about that. I do remember it's a part two, because before every episode now I ask myself if it's a part two for myself because I have to. Otherwise I will forget.

[Katie]

You know what? You do what you have to do.

[Megan]

That's okay. Thanks.

[Katie]

Do you remember what the part two. What the part one was?

[Megan]

It was the Egyptian theater. Holy.

[Katie]

Okay. Memory really just going nuts today with the brain, huh?

[Megan]

Funny is I didn't remember and then you asked me and I said, I don't, but let me take a wild guess, and it just kind of came back.

[Katie]

I feel like I just saw, like, the. All the synapses in your brain, like, really go into overdrive to find it. Yeah.

[Megan]

Yep. The file folder. Yeah, Found it real quick. And. Yeah. So I do remember it's the Egyptian theater, but it's not the Idaho one. It's the other one.

[Katie]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[Megan]

I forget where that is. Iowa.

[Katie]

Illinois. Wow.

[Megan]

Fuck. I'll see myself out.

[Katie]

I'm. Why don't you just do the notes at this point? Like, you really just killed it. You just. Every single little beat there. You. Okay, well, whatever.

[Megan]

Thank you so much. Listen, what can I say? There is no rhymery reason for any of it.

[Katie]

Well, you're right. This is the Egyptian theater, but this one is not in Boise, Idaho. This is in DeKalb, Illinois.

[Megan]

Okay. I feel like I've heard that.

[Katie]

I. I think I've. Nope. I don't know. I know it's near Chicago.

[Megan]

Okay, sure.

[Katie]

So once you hear the word Chicago, all the other ones feel smaller because

[Megan]

Chicago sort of feel like just a suburb.

[Katie]

Yeah. So. And remember, the reason that this even came to be, this story, was because I thought I was covering one Egyptian theater. And then the information kept sounding just a little off. And so I kept going, what the fuck is going on? And then I ended up finding out I was covering two topics by accident at once. And I told you that that information, when I say it was just a little off, everything was only off by like one or two years. The same reasonings for things, the same chronology was like, all of it just was a little too close that it took me a while to realize maybe it's not the same place. So. So I will try to rush through the history of this, because I already did it last week, basically.

[Megan]

Right.

[Katie]

But this theater was open in 1929 versus 1927 at the other one. And this is also on the National Registry of Historic Places, which it happened in the 70s, just like the last place. And again, this was designed as an Egypt with an Egyptian theme after the United States Egyptian craze in the twenties, when King Tut's tomb was discovered covered. At one point I mentioned this last time, but at one point there was around like a hundred Egyptian theaters. And in my mind, I would think, just make this a franchise at this point.

[Megan]

Yeah. Like, it's just crazy because you would

[Katie]

think, oh, these are all clearly one of the same thing, but they were all different. And everyone just thought they had the original idea.

[Megan]

I mean, I guess back then you don't have like, godaddy to check if the domain is taken. So, like, they're already kind of like Egyptian theater, but nobody knows that there's 100.

[Katie]

I'd be tripping if I worked on an Egyptian Theater and then traveled somewhere and saw another Egyptian theater. And I'd be like, prove this. Oh.

[Megan]

Like, same pillars or columns and like, same decor. I'd be like, what the is going on? Yeah.

[Katie]

So apparently they were all just individual theaters. Just all with the same idea. And now there's only seven left in the country. There's la, Boise, this one, and then there's one in Colorado, one in Oregon, two when you turn Utah.

[Megan]

Okay, fun fact.

[Katie]

So the cost for the total design of this place was a quarter million dollars, which today is about $5 million.

[Megan]

Jesus. Yeah.

[Katie]

And the original plan, which the other one did not have, the original plan was that this was going to be kind of the beginning of a mega complex in the 20s, where, like, a hotel was going to be attached to it, restaurants were going to be attached to it. It was just going to be one

[Megan]

of multiple Margaritaville and resort, if you will.

[Katie]

Yes. I think.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

You get it. You see?

[Megan]

I do.

[Katie]

Why did I even. I can't believe I was going to give you an example. That's so embarrassing.

[Megan]

Ridiculous.

[Katie]

So it was going to be essentially a bit of a resort kind of thing, but then the stock market crashed. Whoopsie daisy. And the whole plan was canceled. But this theater was allowed to finish its building because it was literally in the middle of being built when the

[Megan]

stocks market crashed and they're spending $5 million on it. It's like you kind of sunk cost here. Like, what are you gonna do? You gotta keep going, I guess.

[Katie]

Exactly. It's like, well, let's. Let's see what happens.

[Megan]

You do? Yeah.

[Katie]

So, yeah. So the. The stock market crashed, and they were like, well, let's just keep building. I guess it was originally supposed to be. Although it was a theater, you would think movie theater. It was supposed to be both vaudeville and a movie theater.

[Megan]

Okay, okay.

[Katie]

And not just both vaudeville and movies, but in the movie realm. It was gonna be both silent and the talkies.

[Megan]

Ooh. That.

[Katie]

The talkies, which was the first theater that was going to be doing that around here, so.

[Megan]

Oh, exciting. Exciting. Big news.

[Katie]

Big deal. Not just motion picture, but motion and sound pictures.

[Megan]

Love that.

[Katie]

And another fun fact for you. The opening day admission was a quarter or 50 cents, based on if you were an adult or child.

[Megan]

Oh, okay. It was like, based on what? Exactly.

[Katie]

Okay, fair enough.

[Megan]

That's fair. That's fair.

[Katie]

But yeah, 50 cents for a movie. Incredible. Incredible.

[Megan]

Yeah. Wow.

[Katie]

That being said, within a couple years, like, literally two years, they realized that the vaudeville thing wasn't working. And I Mean, once you've got the talkies, you're really pushing. Like, vaudeville is just old, old, old. No one wants that anymore. They want the talkies.

[Megan]

It's funny, those kids aren't coming for vaudeville anymore. Not with the talkies. No.

[Katie]

They even tried for a second to make it where, like, vaudeville would be the act in between the movies while they were, like, putting in the new reel.

[Megan]

Oh.

[Katie]

And then that way.

[Megan]

So embarrassing.

[Katie]

Yeah. But it's like, oh, so now you're just like the jester on stage in

[Megan]

between bits, and you're like. It's like, awkward. You're like the vamp guy, you know, you're like. Yeah.

[Katie]

You're like the MC or something.

[Megan]

Vamping. Yeah. And like, everyone's like, when's the movie start? Oh, that sucks.

[Katie]

Yeah. Yes, exactly. Right? And I feel like it was probably maybe they were really excited that, like, nobody does vaudeville anymore. This is my big break to bring it back. And they were like, oh, we're gonna

[Megan]

actually, like, I'll finally prove it. Yeah.

[Katie]

Well, well. So it went straight to just begin a movie theater. The first movie was a horse racing comedy. I would say the name, but apparently it is a now racist term.

[Megan]

No.

[Katie]

Yep. But it was a horse racing comedy where I guess. What the. It's hard to understand what the movie was about, but it sounds like it was some guy who happened to share the same name as a famous jockey. But this guy doesn't like horses, he's horrified of horses, and he ends up rescuing someone who's, like, on a horse by accident. And because of his name, which is the name of, like, a famous jockey in the area, they thought he was the jockey. And he was like, I think, trying to impress a girl. And so he pretended to be the jockey, and then he ended up being, like, signing up to impress her for, like, a horse competition.

[Megan]

And then like, every Disney Channel original movie, literally.

[Katie]

Because I'm assuming that the real jockey was also there being like, what the hell are you doing here? Signing up for me, you know?

[Megan]

Oh, my word. Oh, my word. It sounds hilarious. What can I say?

[Katie]

I do say. I can't tell you everything about this movie. I'm, like, really guessing a lot of that plot because it is Lost footage. Oh, so all we have is, like, the description of what it was.

[Megan]

Do you know what's so weird is that I have a whole bit. Not a bit, but like, a segment on my a story today about Lost footage.

[Katie]

Fun.

[Megan]

Weird.

[Katie]

Love that. One thing that was not lost was the movie poster. And let me Tell you, the tagline, the gasps of an earthquake, the yells of a mirthquake. It just sounds like something hopefully someone says about us. I don't know.

[Megan]

Not mirthquake.

[Katie]

There's also on IMDb two fake reviews about this movie.

[Megan]

Movie cool.

[Katie]

Which I did think in the to and it is an homage to issue Sandy. I thought I would read the reviews to you, but.

[Megan]

Yay.

[Katie]

But the reviews were not actually that good. Like you're not like not fun.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Which I'm sure you've run into all the time. So the two reviews seem to be like. One was more informational about like anything we can find on this movie.

[Megan]

Great.

[Katie]

The other one was funny in that it rated the movie a 5 out of 10. Having obviously never seen it it.

[Megan]

Right.

[Katie]

Because the movie was lost a hundred years ago. So anyone who was alive to see it certainly isn't operating IMDb. So it's definitely.

[Megan]

Well, you don't know that. It could be a very tech savvy 104 year old.

[Katie]

You're right. As a toddler you were totally right.

[Megan]

I, I remembers it to this very day like it was yesterday.

[Katie]

He's like, I gotta get on that IMDb and talk about this movie.

[Megan]

What if he just ended up bitching about the vaudeville act in the middle? Like if they got rid of that vaudeville, I would have been able to enjoy the movie.

[Katie]

All he did was juggle the cane. Took forever to get out.

[Megan]

So embarrassing. Like get rid of this guy.

[Katie]

So yeah, fun fact. Somewhere between the 40s and 50s the film was destroyed because it was like contaminated. But then like do you know in that moment, like this is the only copy forever.

[Megan]

Do you care?

[Katie]

Do you care? Like all that money, like Warner Brothers themselves destroyed. Enjoyed it.

[Megan]

Wow. It's just. Why did they just. What do you mean? It was what, what was wrong with it?

[Katie]

I guess the film negatives were deteriorating.

[Megan]

Oh, so it's just like busted. It's not like, it's not like they

[Katie]

were just like this movie.

[Megan]

Oh wow, that's just pretty wild.

[Katie]

But you would think they wouldn't they have had.

[Megan]

Okay, no. So what they did apparently because at least for my story today, what, what I talk about is television shows. But they used to just tape over them or throw them out. Like once the footage got deteriorated enough, they would just toss it and they would record over things. So you would never get like a hard copy of anything until you were able to record them at home. Because the net, the, the studios would just like re tape over them. Which Is why so much I don't know about movies, but for TV shows, a lot of shows are lost because they would just tape over them.

[Katie]

So there was just no ability to make a second copy.

[Megan]

They just didn't. You. They just didn't.

[Katie]

That's so weird to me that that wasn't anybody's first thought.

[Megan]

I think it's like they just thought like, oh, this is kind of like temporary media. Sort of like nobody thought. Thought, that's crazy. Save it. I know, True.

[Katie]

Especially like all that money into it. Like, you don't want this to be.

[Megan]

It's just so bizarre. I guess, like, once you lose the original and your copy is deteriorating, what are you gonna do? I don't know.

[Katie]

Well, one of the, I guess solutions was a fun fact about this movie, which the only reason I brought it up is because it's the first movie that played in this theater. And I thought it would be some nice banter, but fun fact, I guess they could tell the. The negatives were deteriorating. I'm guessing on that. But before it ever became lost footage or before they ever decided to throw it away, in 1938, they remade the movie.

[Megan]

Oh.

[Katie]

But under a completely different name with completely different cast and completely different character names.

[Megan]

Was it like shot for shot or was just like totally different movie?

[Katie]

I think it was a different movie because even like the characters names are totally different.

[Megan]

So they basically were like, fuck this movie. I know you said they weren't like that, but like, in some ways they were kind of like, this movie. We'll just redo it.

[Katie]

I wonder. They were like, I always wanted it to end differently and then they just decided to redo it. But they also, they cast bigger people. Like, they had like Louis Armstrong and like Ronald Reagan when he was an actor in it.

[Megan]

Like, oh, my word.

[Katie]

In this new version. So anyway, if you want to watch the remake, it's called going places from 1938. Okay. As I mentioned earlier, the theater was opening was in the middle of construction as the stock market crashed. So there were a lot of budgetary cuts. I need everybody to hear this because the gasp that came out of me was just gobsmacked. So for one to cut out of their budget, they had the ceilings lowered so it wasn't taller and more grand.

[Megan]

Lower the ceilings.

[Katie]

We don't have enough drywall to keep going.

[Megan]

Like, just duck. It's fine. We'll duck. They'll duck the.

[Katie]

No balcony for us. Just.

[Megan]

Yeah, they're gonna be sitting anyway. Who cares? Stairs. Crawl to your seat.

[Katie]

There was, there was. They originally planned to have like these really fancy. I think it was like marble floors, but then they couldn't afford the marble and so they literally went to other construction sites around the area and collected the scrap tile and then like had to mosaic it all together on the floor.

[Megan]

Oh my God.

[Katie]

Which it ends up actually looking very beautiful now. But like imagine thinking, oh, I'm just gonna throw one slab of marble on the ground and call it a day.

[Megan]

That's literally out of one of those shows. And now it's like you actually do it.

[Katie]

Puzzle.

[Megan]

Yeah, that's. But that's what out of one of Those fucking whack TV shows from the 90s or early 2000s where they're like, Sandra took tissue paper and made this lamp out of it for. Because one time 10 year old Tanya did a school project about lamps and now her room is called the lamp room. And we've made it all out of tissue paper and it'll probably set fire the moment leave.

[Katie]

I know exactly what show you're talking about.

[Megan]

Right? Like that show A T. Talking sense or something. Sense with C E N T S. Yes, it's. It's like so making sense to what?

[Katie]

Maybe talking sense was it. But I know exactly what you're talking about. Where it was like everything was unnecessary

[Megan]

and you're just like. Are you just like. It's like stapling curtains to the wall. Like, it's like how I behave and I'm like, who paid for these people to go into other people's homes and behave this and like behave this way.

[Katie]

You know what? I hope you write a letter to them and go, how do you behave this, this way? How.

[Megan]

Who let you do this? Because I'd like to do this and I don't. I haven't been given this kind of budget or. Go ahead.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Megan]

How. Who greenlit this and can I take over? Thanks.

[Katie]

So the other, the thing that really floored me and only for personal reasons was that the other big cut that they did was they got rid of the ac. Oh my God. Like just bulldoze the building.

[Megan]

I mean they've got those tile floors, em. And if you're already crawling, you could, you could just put your face down,

[Katie]

rub your belly on the cold mosaic tile. No, they, they. But I. First of all, AC in 1929, that's blows me away. Didn't know that was even an option.

[Megan]

Good one.

[Katie]

But now I, I'm finding out here's the thing that really made me guffaw is that I want you to tell me because this, the theater still stands. It's still a theater. I want you to guess what year AC was finally put in after being cut in 1929, 22.

[Megan]

1988, 2000.

[Katie]

I don't know, like six years ago. I'm not kidding. Six years ago I was like, are you telling me in 2019 that people were volunteering to be here and it, there was no ac?

[Megan]

I mean, I feel like that's not that weird, is it?

[Katie]

I promise you in my brain, it's the weirdest thing one could do.

[Megan]

Okay, I guess that's fair. I mean Chicago is notoriously pretty cold, but I guess that's true.

[Katie]

Like imagine being. It's the summer you're there, not in

[Megan]

a packed in a theater.

[Katie]

Yeah, they do concerts there.

[Megan]

You got to read 1 star reviews from pre 2020to see like what the, what the deal was. Like if it was hellish or if it was like manageable somehow.

[Katie]

I wonder if the shows were just so worth it. I don't know.

[Megan]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Katie]

Remember that one time we had a live show and the AC went out sort of the LA show where like we were already super delayed. But like it was like, oh, everything was going wrong.

[Megan]

Oh my God.

[Katie]

It was like. That was also the bathroom situation was at that theater.

[Megan]

By the way, someday we gotta have Tales from the Road because there is so much. I think my Mercury in Taurus is really like finally reaching a point where I'm like, oh, I can just say out loud. So I'm like, let us just tell you. Someday we gotta tell you about that ass day and the time that we almost. There was a rat. We didn't get a bathroom.

[Katie]

Oh yeah. Well, that was enough.

[Megan]

Another.

[Katie]

Yep, that was crazy.

[Megan]

That was terrible. And it wasn't. The show was great, but the, oh, and then remember, I don't know if you remember this because it was, it was a rough day. I on my way out tripped over like a metal thing and I was holding a bunch of stuff and I face planted and like my whole face and I was in front of the Uber and I remember so vividly, it was such a bad like fall and smack that somebody else got out of their car and ran over and I thought it was my Uber driver and he was like, no, I, I just parked my car in the middle of the road.

[Katie]

I gotta be honest, I didn't see that.

[Megan]

I, I, I, you guys left before me. Nobody saw it except for the entire downtown Los Angeles area. And then I wiped out face first. And then I just started to cry because I was like, this would happen. And I was like smiling and crying and laughing like a buffoon. And then my Uber driver came and I realized he was pretending like he didn't see me fall. Cuz like he like, looked away and I was like, oh my God, this is the most miserable. And the next morning we got onto that train to San Diego.

[Katie]

That was that. I remember there was something about, well, they can get into that later.

[Megan]

I was, hey, we could do a yappy hour about all our bitching. Does anyone want to pay for extra bitching? Yappy hour details.

[Katie]

I remember specifically. But the ac, didn't they say, like, the only way we could. Like, it was like something. The AC broke the night before.

[Megan]

We had to reschedule.

[Katie]

We had to reschedule because they were also saying, like, the only way it's. It could happen. Weren't they trying to say something like, oh, well, we could have the show if we could fix it today and you help us pay out of pocket or something?

[Megan]

And it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, you can do the show. It'll be 118 degrees inside. And we were like, yeah. And I was like, and kill everyone. Okay.

[Katie]

Crazy.

[Megan]

Yeah, sure. No.

[Katie]

Anyway, I imagine that's what this theater felt like, even though it was not Los Angeles post climate hell. But whatever, whatever. This theater had no AC until 2019, so it was hot at least once in there.

[Megan]

It didn't even have a marble floor. Okay. It didn't have any of the essentials.

[Katie]

The only reason this theater ended up doing well, by the way, I already mentioned this earlier, but because it was the Great Depression, nobody could afford to go to the movie theaters. And if they did, they wanted like a class A experience. And so because this was the only place that had the talkies, it was like the only theater that survived in the area, I think from during the Depression.

[Megan]

Wow.

[Katie]

Even so, the theater eventually, of course, got into bad shape, was already without ac. I'll tell you that. It was going to close down, but then the town rallied together like it's Stars Hollow. And it eventually was able to get renovated similar to the last case I did. Case theater I did. It was right around the same time too, where the whole town got together and renovated it. So.

[Megan]

Mm. Hallmark style.

[Katie]

Before I get into the ghosts, I will tell you some fun facts. This is still the town's biggest movie screen.

[Megan]

Oh, wait, that's pretty. That's pretty impressive.

[Katie]

It's also the town's biggest auditorium.

[Megan]

Okay, it is.

[Katie]

Oh, just like how AC didn't exist until 2019. I've talked about that enough. The original chairs from 1929 were also there up until very recently, and they only recently replaced them except for one one, which I'll talk about in a second. And it's still in use. They do all sorts of events there to do like proms and graduations and weddings and history tours and all this stuff, so. And actually for a while it had a haunted house attraction during Halloween, but then that went away. I'm not totally sure why. And then I don't know if they still do this, but I thought this was so cute. During Christmas, they would often play It's a Wonderful Life and at the end have snowfall from the sea ceiling.

[Megan]

That's cute. It's just asbestos from the old, old ceiling tiles.

[Katie]

It's actually because there was no ac. They needed something cold to drench on

[Megan]

you, so I just dumped dump frozen water.

[Katie]

Please let it snow in here.

[Megan]

It's nice.

[Katie]

So, okay, now on to the ghost. It's most popular for their ghost tours or the investigations that they let people do. They're known today.

[Megan]

Do you think they ever had a clue when they were building this place? And they're like, oh, it's most successful purpose in 100 years is gonna be all of us on ghost tours. Yeah. With you guys dead inside. Oh, my God.

[Katie]

I do wonder. I did see like a post online recently though. It's like, how come there aren't. They don't make houses anymore that are worth haunting. Like, they don't look glamorous enough.

[Megan]

I mean, truly.

[Katie]

And part of me is like, maybe that's why so many theaters and old places are haunted. It's because they were so beautiful. Why would you want to leave?

[Megan]

It's like glamorous. Hell, yeah.

[Katie]

Now if, like I just had like a farmhouse style bungalow like the one I live in now, I'd be like, I'm not haunting this fucking thing. That's just not happening.

[Megan]

Well, yeah. And it's like, if I've got this big white dress, if I'm a lady. Yes. What am I gonna do? Haunt like the suburbs? No, I mean, maybe for fun every now and then just to scare the kiddos, but like, I belong on a grand staircase.

[Katie]

And you know what? Keep that energy. That's exactly right.

[Megan]

Thank you so much.

[Katie]

It's known as one of the most haunted theaters in all of Illinois. There are several ghosts here, many sources. Before I traveled on over to YouTube. Many sources said that they. That is, there are six very popular ghosts here. And then when I went to YouTube and I saw, I watched like a bunch of people do investigations. Every single one of them said there's only two main ghosts here, so. Oh, I don't know if I did my notes wrong again. I don't know.

[Megan]

No, maybe it's that thing again where it's like they get mixed up and stories cross over.

[Katie]

And I feel like there are six ghosts there, but two of them really steal the show. No pun intended. Intended.

[Megan]

Okay, so it's sort of like these are the two main characters. Yeah. Okay.

[Katie]

One of them is named Irv Comerfeld.

[Megan]

Yes. Well, no wonder he's a main character.

[Katie]

Of course, Irv and his wife Barbara are from the 1980s. They were a power couple here at the time. The wife was like some fancy director. She was a suit of the theater.

[Megan]

Wow.

[Katie]

And he also, he was always there. He loved volunteering there. And together they started the non profit that actually restored the theater.

[Megan]

So they're like patrons of the theater?

[Katie]

Patrons of the theater, yes. They're part of like the Silver Society or whatever they'd call very chic.

[Megan]

The Mad Hatters. No, red hats. Mad Hatters. Never mind.

[Katie]

So one night after a show. Fun fact. It was west side Story, in case you care.

[Megan]

I do.

[Katie]

One night after a show, Irv was in his seat, his favorite seat there. And he got up, walked into the aisle, had a massive heart attack as well. People were clearing out of the show.

[Megan]

Oh, shit.

[Katie]

And he died where he'd been watching the. The show. And so now people.

[Megan]

Yeah, he's gonna haunt it.

[Katie]

So people see him constantly walking up and down the aisle right where he passed.

[Megan]

I wonder in that case, because it's such a direct link. Like, we know he died there. I wonder if that is residual of that day or do you think that's like it's residual of just his entire energy in the place? Does that make sense?

[Katie]

It does. I. And I kind of have an for you because I don't know if that one specifically is like from the day he died or because he was constantly at every show walking up and down the aisles.

[Megan]

Right.

[Katie]

But one thing that seems to be more generally residual of his is that after he passed, people see a lot of shadow figures standing in the doorway at the back of the theater. And on his shifts when he was volunteering there, he would regularly try to sneak in and look through the door to watch a show. So.

[Megan]

Okay, okay.

[Katie]

So that feels more like the general one and the aisle is maybe of the day he died.

[Megan]

I mean, it's kind of amazing to think, because we never really think about that, that a ghost could have like multiple ways of expressing itself in one place. Like a residual haunting, but then also, or I guess they're both residual, but then like doing different things. I don't know, it's kind of cool. It makes sense, I guess.

[Katie]

Or for all we know, both of them, like I, I'm not this.

[Megan]

Or it's the same, right? True.

[Katie]

They could be both intelligent. They could be from different timelines. In which case like, oh my God, ghosts can haunt, haunting themselves or.

[Megan]

Well, I think you already know that. You already know that I know psychic. My time travel theory and your time travel interests, like you already know. That's the thing.

[Katie]

But thank you. The fact that I'm already haunting myself is crazy every time.

[Megan]

But it's like such not a surprise to any of us.

[Katie]

Like literally if I trip and I feel someone catch me, I know that was me going get up like.

[Megan]

And you know who else? It was you who tripped you too, probably.

[Katie]

You know what? Just for the attention. I could see that.

[Megan]

Yeah, it's like you doing a three person like stooge act. But it's just like you and your future.

[Katie]

It's just me, my past self and my future.

[Megan]

And then like I, I future me comes along with the vaudeville hook. Just gets all three of you out of there.

[Katie]

Vicky, just drag an organ out and go or something.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's do a little nickelodeon action.

[Katie]

So he is the one who has the special seat where all but one have been replaced since 1929. His seat that he used to sit in is the 1929 seat.

[Megan]

That's pretty special.

[Katie]

And I don't know if it's like cause he died there or if it's just like that was his favorite seat and he was a good guy and a patron.

[Megan]

I feel like that happens like at theaters. Someone has been like involved for so long and they pass not necessarily next to this.

[Katie]

That's just a double whammy.

[Megan]

I feel like they were like, okay, we gotta like plate this. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I feel like they theaters do that. Right. Like even if it's not happens in

[Katie]

house, he has also. I only saw this on one source and I didn't hear about it anywhere else. But I thought it was interesting that he apparently had a desk when he worked worked here. And after his death there seemed to be a lot of energy around the desk. Oh, People would still find, like, cigarette butts on the desk, and they would find, like, things in the desk had been moved around and stuff. And then when they moved the desk down to the basement, I guess all that activity either ended or ended up. Started happening. It started happening in the basement. Something like that.

[Megan]

He's like, why the. Did you move me my office downstairs? Yeah.

[Katie]

Now I'm in the boiler room.

[Megan]

What the hell is that lot?

[Katie]

Sometimes people also smell smoke, and they assume that's attributed to, like, the cigarette butts. But some other people argued, like, this. This was before things were smoking free. Like, oh, the theater probably just reeked of cigarettes at one point.

[Megan]

True. Yeah. Probably everyone is smoking.

[Katie]

Yeah. So it probably has nothing to do with, like, him specifically. And it's just. Well, that's what the theater.

[Megan]

The era. Yeah.

[Katie]

Okay, so he is one of the main characters. The other main character that everyone talks about is the lady. Lady in Guess a color. It's not red, finally. Or white.

[Megan]

Is. Is it. Is it aquamarine?

[Katie]

Can you imagine? Can you imagine the lady in lavender? No, it's.

[Megan]

Oh, she's such a. I mean, she needs so much attention.

[Katie]

She's in green. This one's in green.

[Megan]

Okay. Okay. Well, you know, she could have been aquamarine, but she chose. She chose a simpler. I appreciate that.

[Katie]

You know, we have yet to meet a lady in yellow or a lady in orange. I feel like those are the only two left.

[Megan]

What about pink? Have we done that?

[Katie]

Pink, Purple? Have we done lady in purple?

[Megan]

F. Maybe not. Brown, red, white, gold.

[Katie]

I feel like. I feel like we've found the lady in gray, lady in black, lady in white, lady in blue, lady in red. Now lady in green.

[Megan]

And, you know, the beautiful thing is we've got so much ahead of us. Polka dots, gingham, you know, a lady in flannel.

[Katie]

Now, that's the one I want to meet, for obvious reasons. Okay.

[Megan]

A lady in moomoon.

[Katie]

I already have one of those in my farmhouse, Allison. So lady in green. She has no name. And people have even asked, what's your name? And she just won't tell you, but she's apparently very happy. She's seen a long green dress. She's seen in the balcony of the theater a lot of especially, like, workers in the morning when they go and do, like, checks on the building, they'll see her just sitting there in the audience, and they think, like, she is early for a matinee or something. Something.

[Megan]

And imagine, though, like, seeing someone in a dress, too. Like a beautiful green Dress. It's like, what are you doing here at 8 in the morning? Or whatever time the workers show up.

[Katie]

And as someone who is often a. A non fancy patron of the theater.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

The way that attire has changed over the years. Like the way like people wear like athleisure to the theater. That's crazy.

[Megan]

And like for a matinee or eight in the morning especially, like you wouldn't see somebody typically in like a gown, you know.

[Katie]

No. But like she like do at the theater. And so sure, that would really blow me away if I saw someone dressed like you and me sitting in the theater. Sadly, in 2026, that would be less shocking. I'm sure someone in vaudeville would be like, what the are you wearing?

[Megan]

Yeah, I mean, I'm literally wearing like underwear as pants right now. So I. I think that like they would be pretty understandably upset. Yeah.

[Katie]

But shockingly, that would be less for me to swallow. I'd be like, oh, someone's just sitting and observing me working.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or they're. They. They got in here somehow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katie]

But so anyway, they think someone either snuck in or is confused about showtimes. She seems to be very chatty. She's very often intelligently responding to people's requests when they go on investigations.

[Megan]

Except not her name.

[Katie]

Except her name. She doesn't. She keeps some things to herself.

[Megan]

I like it. I like it.

[Katie]

Performers have even seen her during rehearsals and shows. They see someone watching who like stands out because she is dressed for Broadway, which is crazy.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

I keep saying Broadway. Just theater. Sorry, It's.

[Megan]

It's Chicago Broadway.

[Katie]

Yeah, yeah. And also people also see her smoking one of those very long Cruella De Vil cigarettes, which like, she's so out of place. But yet she's in her world. She's so in place.

[Megan]

She's like in her element. Like, wow, that is just stunning.

[Katie]

Everyone else probably looks so off to her. In fact, there is, but I love

[Megan]

that she just doesn't even mind.

[Katie]

There's one story later that I tell. I'll just say it now that there's one ghost there. I wonder if it's Irv. But there's a guy who is dressed old timey and he's leaning against one of the columns and he just looks at the stage, watching you. Especially if you're investigating. People have said that they see a man watching them while they're. And they've found out through spirit box sessions or EVP sessions or whatever it is that he is very curious about people's Clothing. And part of me is like, because they're from another time or because they are just so embarrassing in a theater dressed like that.

[Megan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it like because. Because like, what is wrong with you people? Or is it like, oh, you look like a futuristic.

[Katie]

Right.

[Megan]

Robot. Yeah.

[Katie]

I mean, imagine, you know, back in like when people were for the first time on commercial airplanes and they would dress like their Sunday's best. Imagine you just showed up in like your gym shorts and a hoodie, like we all do now. They would be disgusted with the look and like.

[Megan]

And like your whole duvet. You know how some people bring like an entire duvet and like six stuff. Squishmallows. And you're like, did you find.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Megan]

And they're barefoot. Exactly. They'd be. They'd probably. But you're right. Like, like, it's like you look like a different being entirely.

[Katie]

Yes.

[Megan]

And you look like a little bit. Okay. Wow.

[Katie]

Wow.

[Megan]

A little extra like.

[Katie]

Okay. I'm very clearly have different cultural interests.

[Megan]

We. Yeah. Cultural interest is a nice. Yeah, sure.

[Katie]

Yeah. So she's very friendly and. And is like. I think she kind of. I like to think she loves the bit of being a ghost because there have been times. I saw it in YouTube videos last time night that as soon as you. The. The guide will bring them up to where people see her and he starts talking about her. The lights only in her section turn off by themselves. H. She's like, and what, darling?

[Megan]

Showtime. Smokes the cigarette. Yeah. There's just. Oh, my God, I love her.

[Katie]

So those are the two main ones, but these are the others that people on other sources said that there's the ensemble cast. Well done. Yeah, absolutely. That's. What. Why didn't I just say that? Okay. God, sometimes you just have the words.

[Megan]

I'm channeling you.

[Katie]

Thank you.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Katie]

There's apparently a little girl that haunts the theater, but it's because her family used to actually live on the property before it was a theater.

[Megan]

Oh. So she must be confused.

[Katie]

She must be. So she's like, where is the couch?

[Megan]

And also like, where is my marble floor? I was promised.

[Katie]

And where is my mom?

[Megan]

Oh, God. And where. Where and where.

[Katie]

Where are my shoes? Where are my clothes?

[Megan]

Where am I? Where's the potty?

[Katie]

Where am I?

[Megan]

Oh, my God.

[Katie]

People have said that they've seen this little girl singing and playing in the lobby and. But they only see her during the summer because I guess when they lived on the property, it was a summer house. So people only see her when she would have been there. There's also apparently the ghost of a little boy. I don't know if he has anything to do with the little girl.

[Megan]

I love that people can still summer in the afterlife. Yeah, like what? She's summering in the afterlife? Like, she gets to go to her summer home.

[Katie]

What the fuck was that sound?

[Megan]

Probably like somebody's souped up vehicle because they have a huge penis.

[Katie]

That was crazy. That from the other side of the country. I heard their tiny penis drive by.

[Megan]

I didn't think you'd be able to hear that, but it must have been like, at the exact right register. Sorry about that.

[Katie]

No, but that's a great point that you can summer even in the afterlife.

[Megan]

But it feels like some people can't, doesn't it? Like, it feels like sometimes people are just stuck somewhere or residual or whatever. But then, like, you hear about this and it's like, oh, she's only there sometimes because it's her summer home. And I'm like, what?

[Katie]

And where the does she go?

[Megan]

Where exactly.

[Katie]

Yeah. I wonder if there's what the privilege hierarchy is in ghost world. Because if some people are stuck, but someone else gets to travel, it's like, that has to be a ghost that you don't care for because you're a little butthurt about it. Right?

[Megan]

But who's deciding that?

[Katie]

I don't know. I don't know the politics. I don't.

[Megan]

Someday we will.

[Katie]

Yeah. And yet we won't be able to tell anyone.

[Megan]

We'll find out.

[Katie]

So annoying. Yeah, they'll see. They'll all see.

[Megan]

I'll see.

[Katie]

So there's a little boy there. I don't think he has any relation to the little girl, but I hope that they see each other and play.

[Megan]

I do too.

[Katie]

He's been seen wandering the theater. He was first scene. This is so creepy. When the building was doing Halloween jump scare attractions, and people thought he was a lost kid and were wondering where his parents were.

[Megan]

Oh, God.

[Katie]

And then the real. The real scare is that he was never there. Babe.

[Megan]

That's like the world's best haunted house, though.

[Katie]

Truly. Like, you. And you pay all of these teenagers to do some. Some spooky, scary work when, like, the main character was like, all do it for free.

[Megan]

Yeah, sure. Like, step aside.

[Katie]

He's apparently often seen in the costuming dressing room area. And so they wonder if he was ever a vaudeville actor here. Oh, the fifth ghost here is. There's a janitor and blue coveralls. A lot of people see on the stage, sweeping. And I guess he's become known as Charlie.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Katie]

There's also a lot of blue orbs that float around in the theater. And so maybe that's Charlie. I'm not sure. And then the sixth one is certainly the most horrifying and somehow neglected a lot in the YouTubes that I watched the YouTubes on my mom. But in one of the bathrooms downstairs, there is this haunting female spirit who actively tries to keep people away. Like, is wants you to be scared of her. People say that they feel someone glaring at her. I actually saw someone, saw this one investigation where they were like, we were just trying to be girls. Girls. We were gonna go hang out with her and be like, it's not that bad, babe. It's fine. Because apparently it's a woman, and it's always happening in the woman's bathroom.

[Megan]

And they're like, it's like moaning myrtle.

[Katie]

Yeah. And they were like, let's just go hang out with her and show her. Like, it ain't that bad. But as soon as they got to the stairs, where they would have gone down to the bathroom, they felt something so hateful that they were like, okay, noted. We won't go.

[Megan]

Oh, my God. To go from the energy of let's go, like, early pop, swap lip gloss in the bathroom to like, okay, the dread is physically blocking me from walking further. Yeah. There's probably something that doesn't want you down there.

[Katie]

Well, apparently people who have gone down there anyway, they have experienced the bathroom stalls. The doors will slam, slam, shut. And then if you even try to close one of them, there is a pounding on the stalls, and you hear a woman scream, crying.

[Megan]

Oh, God.

[Katie]

She's like, she is. She wants you out of there.

[Megan]

She is like moaning myrtle. I mean, really?

[Katie]

Well, some mediums have said that. I mean, she's clearly going through it, but the mediums have said, like, she feels like a poison to society. Whoa.

[Megan]

What the.

[Katie]

Like, she's. She hates herself, and she's trying to scare you off so that you're nowhere near her. It's almost like she's trying to, like, save you from herself.

[Megan]

Right. So she's like, self sad.

[Katie]

She's.

[Megan]

Okay. This is a very psychoanalytical interpretation of a ghost.

[Katie]

But you were about to say self sabotage. That's exactly right. Where it's like, you would. You could have friends in the afterlife if you're not so damn scary.

[Megan]

You can borrow my lip gloss.

[Katie]

Yes. This, like, we. We're trying to help you, but maybe

[Megan]

she doesn't you know, she's got to help herself, man.

[Katie]

Now you said it.

[Megan]

Period. And that's on.

[Katie]

Period.

[Megan]

Oh, God.

[Katie]

Okay, so I'm just gonna give you a quick rundown of some of the other things that ghosts do. I know. I'm going over time. I'm so sorry. So.

[Megan]

No, go. Please go. I want to hear the ghosts.

[Katie]

Many shadowy figures darting around, many apparitions of people watching the shows. People have straight up just seen a man standing on the stage that they think, is there not a different man?

[Megan]

Oh, okay.

[Katie]

There's one apparition that has talked to investigators, saying that he's curious about their clothing. This was a show, I guess the host is named Sarah because it's called Sarah Normal. I think that's hysterical.

[Megan]

I love that.

[Katie]

And they responded by saying, like, oh, our clothing. It's because we're from 2025. And then their phones died, as if, like, their exact words were like, he clearly crashed out, that it was 2020.

[Megan]

Say they fucking lost it. Yeah, yeah.

[Katie]

He was like, well, I can't stand this.

[Megan]

That's enough of that.

[Katie]

There's footsteps, faint voices, sounds of applause, feeling touch. Door slam right next to you. There was one video I watched where literally, as they're walking by, like, the door just slams. Like, it's just. And. And then the. The tour guide was like, yep, there they go.

[Megan]

Like, that shouldn't be normal. Don't normalize doors slamming on their own.

[Katie]

I like the normalization of, like, them being mysterious about it, where a door slams in a room that you're not in, but they clear. Clearly don't give a. They were like, here's the door. Bam.

[Megan]

When it slams right in your face, and you're like, yep, another day at work. It's like, I don't think so.

[Katie]

And maybe they were being mischievous, but without context. It just feels threatening.

[Megan]

Like, it's not. Yeah, yeah. You know, read the room.

[Katie]

Yeah, please. You know I'm gonna be scared now.

[Megan]

Yeah. Quit fucking around.

[Katie]

Objects move. There are clear photos of, like, misty bodies sitting in seats. Motion activation equipment trips up. Batteries and cameras die. And then if you, like, mention it, then more batteries and cameras. Cameras die on stage. People hear. This is a common one. People will hear crinkling paper around them, like, what the am I hearing? And then when they think back on it, it sounds like a script was being flipped through. And right when they rehearsing and right when they give up trying to find the sound, bam. Right next to them, they'll hear whatever it was. Maybe the script or a book getting thrown onto the ground right next to them. And Jesus, I should have kept the clip ready to show you. But there. Someone did get it on camera where they're like, do you hear that? Do you hear that? And it's clearly like, rust papers. And then at the very end, you just hear, like, bam. And it's like slams right on the ground next to her, as if he's like, what do you mean my scene got cut? Bam. Or something like that.

[Megan]

I feel he's not off book yet.

[Katie]

Not off book.

[Megan]

He's not off book, and he's got to fucking get off book.

[Katie]

One of the most common things that people experience here are the most success investigators get is through spirit box sessions. These ghosts love a spirit box.

[Megan]

I love ghosts who love a spirit box.

[Katie]

I love the Chatties, Chatty Cathy's.

[Megan]

So I wonder why.

[Katie]

Here is a collection of multiple. I just put them all in bullets. So. So these are from multiple investigations. But when talking to the lady in green, they said, were you a singer? The spirit box says, singer. And then everyone went, oh, my God. It said singer. And then the spirit box went, that's right. Yeah.

[Megan]

It's like, well, yeah, it did, because

[Katie]

you asked another one. When people try to approach that bathroom where, like, there's, like, the meat. Mean ghost, the spirit box will say, stop here.

[Megan]

Oh, geez. Yeah, I will. I will.

[Katie]

The REM pod, which, as you know, it has, like, different lights on the top of it in different colors. They were using a REM pod, and they asked if they could. If the ghost could change the REM pod's colors. And the spirit box said, four. Which there are four colors on top. And so.

[Megan]

I know.

[Katie]

So they said. The investigators went, yeah, there are four colors. And the spirit box said, the dots. Dots, right. As a full sentence. The dots. Right.

[Megan]

That's super cool.

[Katie]

That one freaks me out. That one actually just never the dots, right?

[Megan]

Oh, my God. It's like.

[Katie]

Because it's literally four colorful dots. It's so creepy.

[Megan]

Creepy.

[Katie]

Then they were talking to Irv, and they said, do we feel you go up and down aisle one? And the spirit box said, yes, it's me. Then they said, what's your wife's name? And the spirit box said, barb.

[Megan]

Whoa.

[Katie]

And they said, thanks, Herb, for talking to us. And the spirit box said, thanks.

[Megan]

Holy. Hey. Is like, active. Yeah, he's there.

[Katie]

Another time they were saying, are you the one making this machine light up? And the spirit box said, probably yes. Then they said, did I see you walking around just now? And the spirit box said, maybe.

[Megan]

It's like, I don't know. Did you see me? I don't know.

[Katie]

Everyone hears a sound, and then they said, are you moving chairs? Because I guess the chairs nearby, and they thought they heard it shift. They said, are you moving the chairs? And the spirit box says, it will was me. Ooh. They said, do you want to keep talking to us? And the spirit box said, no.

[Megan]

Okay. That's a dangerous question.

[Katie]

They're about to. Investigators are about to head out, and they say, we'll leave now. But then they get a voice saying, wait. And when they ask, who's on the stairs, they get a voice that says, Freddy. And they. It's a clear Freddy. It's like this. It's like, freddy.

[Megan]

Is Freddy someone we know or.

[Katie]

No, no, just.

[Megan]

Okay, the name.

[Katie]

And, I mean, think of how many people have been in and out of that theater, either working there or visiting. And.

[Megan]

Yeah, someone's just going to the bathroom real quick. And then, yeah, some futuristic person's like, what's your name?

[Katie]

Freddie. Well, there was. They go into the dressing room that has all these vanity mirrors, and they say they're talking about, oh, mirrors are supposed to be a portal for spirits. And the spirit box said, that's right.

[Megan]

Oh, no. Confirmed.

[Katie]

That freaks me out.

[Megan]

Breaking news. I mean, we all knew the witches were right.

[Katie]

Everybody.

[Megan]

Of course they were. That's distressing.

[Katie]

One time they asked, how many of you are here? The spirit box said, a lot. Are you right by me? The spirit box said, indeed. What are you doing here? The spirit box said, fate.

[Megan]

Oh, that's heavy.

[Katie]

One thing I thought was also cool, also involving the REM pods is, as you know, I just said, colorful lights everywhere. They had it on. And the spirit box immediately said, game ready. As if, like, oh, my God, we're gonna play a game. I'm ready. Oh, my God. Because it looks like an arcade game. Like, it's.

[Megan]

It looks like you're about to play. It's. It's like the one where you have to land on the.

[Katie]

Yes. Colorama.

[Megan]

That's right.

[Katie]

But so they said, oh, you think it's a game? Maybe because of the lights. And then the REM pod goes off. Like, they went to go, like, point at the lights and be like, this

[Megan]

is why I think it's. You think it's a game, you idiot.

[Katie]

Another time, the spirit box said, grab. When they said, what are you gonna grab? Then the REM pod went off as if, like, someone grabbed the rem pod. Oh, and then can you give us a sign? The spirit box said cannot. I mean, there's so many. So I'm just gonna end on the creepiest thing that happened, which is there was one team that was there, and they were all standing on the stage, and they had a camera on a tripod facing the stage in case anything happened that night. Nothing ever happened at. Except when any of them, especially this one guy on the team was on the stage, the tripod and camera would move itself the whole time they were on stage.

[Megan]

And what.

[Katie]

And as if they ever left, the tripod would stand still. And it wasn't like it was on the stage or they were accidentally knocking it by stepping around and everything. It was like, on the other side of the theater, and it was like something was trying to, like, adjust the frame and to get them in the. And then they left, and the camera stayed still for the rest of the night. They went back and were on stage for, like, 15 minutes, cleaning up their equipment, and the whole time, the camera was shaking by itself.

[Megan]

Very strange. Very strange.

[Katie]

I wonder if that was like, an old theater tech being like, okay, let me get the shot right.

[Megan]

Well, you're not doing a very good job if you're shaking it around the

[Katie]

whole time for 15 minutes.

[Megan]

I feel like it's that child.

[Katie]

Oh, yeah. Just playing with the equipment.

[Megan]

I mean, that's what I would do as a child. Yeah.

[Katie]

It's like, I can see you on this thing.

[Megan]

Unattended video camera. Yeah.

[Katie]

Anyway, okay. That is the Egyptian theater.

[Megan]

That was awesome. I really liked. I. I mean, I like both of them, but this one, I don't know. I really. That one. There's so many characters in this one, you know, like, characters. Irv and all this. Jeez. I feel like this one feels, like, the energy, even with the lady in the basement. Like, I think I. I'd rather spend the night at this place than the other one.

[Katie]

Yeah, I agree.

[Megan]

I don't know that I barely remember the last episode, but I feel like the vibes here are better.

[Katie]

I feel the same way.

[Megan]

Like, okay, good, good, good.

[Katie]

And, yeah, as long as I avoid that one bathroom. It seems like everyone else is, like, pretty jazzed to just talk.

[Megan]

I feel like what I would do with the bathroom is just not even being facetious. I'm serious. I would probably, like, if we were investigating, I'd probably just, like, toss a tampon down, toss some chocolate. I don't know.

[Katie]

What are you on the rag? Is it what you.

[Megan]

I mean, no, I know it sounds like that, but like, I know you mean I would be like, what can I offer you that doesn't involve human interaction?

[Katie]

You know, like, like there's a candy bar, babe, like, or something.

[Megan]

Yeah. Or do you want like me to move you to the light? I don't know, like, what's going on here? Cuz I'm. I'm about to get all intellectual on psychoanalyze you ghost. You know, I'm about to. Otherwise, like, just tell me, tell me you're. You have cramps and I can get you a Midol. I don't know.

[Katie]

You know what I would do? First of all, I agree. I would absolutely be. And like, what does that say about us, the people pleasers that like, I'd be gifting her anything to not be mad at me?

[Megan]

Well, I'm just like, concerned really. I'm sort of like, I don't even want evidence from you. I just kind of want to make sure like, you're not in like hell and can't escape. And I'm supposed to like, help you out with. I don't know, this.

[Katie]

That's a lot nicer than. I would still be trying to get evidence, but I, I think I would do it the way.

[Megan]

If I get evidence, that's great, right? But like, also I'm a little scared and I'd rather she just kind of make her way to the. To the afterlife if that's her plan.

[Katie]

If I were to get evidence though, I still would not go down there. I think I would do the Zach Bagans move of like putting a microphone on a huge boom pole and just slowly weaving it down there and just be like, if you want to genuinely

[Megan]

thought you were going to say do the thing. Zach B. Doesn't send you or, or Eva down there. And I was like, thanks a lot.

[Katie]

Like a camera on a stick and just like kind of fish it over and just.

[Megan]

You and I would literally tie a GoPro onto a tampon and like roll it down there and be like any, anything. We're not trying to bother you. We just want to help. But also like, will you do us a solid and say hi? Yeah, that's where we'd land.

[Katie]

I think I. I understand. I would. I. I'm glad that we would both at least do something. Even if it's not good stuff.

[Megan]

I think we have to interact with her. I'd be like, what is the deal? Yeah, what's the deal?

[Katie]

Let me hear your ears, babe.

[Megan]

Spend me, spend me. Spin me a tail.

[Katie]

Spin me a Tail. Oh, that one needs to come back too.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah. I need to learn how to say it first, but then we can definitely bring it back.

[Katie]

Sure. Just like how before my story, Christine had an announcement. I also have an announcement.

[Megan]

Yes, yes.

[Katie]

It's okay that I put it here.

[Megan]

Please. That's perfect. That's actually way better, I think.

[Katie]

So we had a listener reach out named Sydney, who has a best friend, Mali. I think that's how it's pronounced. Mali's also been a listener for a long time, but recently got some news that her kidneys are failing and she needs a training transplant. And because of her blood type, doctors told her that it could take like six to eight years to receive a kidney through the standard wait list. So it was just devastating. So Sydney reached out and was saying that Mali's best chance is finding a living donor. And Sydney actually wanted to donate herself but wasn't eligible. So we're just reaching out to the community to see if this moves anybody to go find out, you know, for Mali or even for somebody in your own life to see if you're a match. And you don't have to be a direct match, by the way, for to help. Yale's kidney exchange program can match incompatible donors within a larger network. So that can also help Mali receive a transplant. So don't count yourself out just because you think you might not be a match. But if you're 21 or older and you are interested at all, again for Mali or again somebody else in your own life, if you're curious about organization, donation and being a living donor, you can visit Yale New Haven's Living donor [e-mail] Oregon donation and you can also call the center for Living organ donors at 866-9-25-3897. All the donor related medical costs are handled by the hospital and obviously there's zero pressure here. But we just wanted to help Sydney reach out to the masses. She's trying to do a really good thing for her friend. And Mali, if you're listening, we hope that you're doing okay with all this. And yeah, if you are a match or if you know somebody who might be or is interested, how would you know if you're a match? But if you know someone who's interested in finding out, if they are, then, then please reach out through those sources.

[Megan]

Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you for putting that, putting that so coherently to you and Katie who've kind of like were in contact with her. So yeah, that's really. That's really scary. And I hope. I hope somebody. I hope this moves somebody or, you know, at least gets. Gets the word out. And lots of love to both of you.

[Katie]

Yeah, I. It's. You know, we're. Thank you, Sydney, for also reaching out and being a real homie and trying to help out your friend. But I. I'm sure that the two of you are not the only dynamic going through this right now that listens. So it's just a general PSA to anybody who might need it.

[Megan]

Yes. Yes. I love that. Love that.

[Katie]

That.

[Megan]

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[Megan]

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[Katie]

Here we are again, talking about Reddit. Somehow, I don't know how we became enemies to lovers, but it happened.

[Megan]

It happened. And I knew it was gonna happen because every time I get on that Reddit by gone it. Is that a word? I don't know. I find I found out something new that I didn't even realize I was interested in. Or I get to practice my intuition you know how much I love my intuition, practice, subreddit, even just, like, the homepage where they just, like, recommend stuff. I'm like, okay, fine, I get it. You understand my soul. Okay, Reddit, fine, take it.

[Katie]

I feel like there's quite a lot of subreddits that I was not letting myself love for quite some time.

[Megan]

And you just gotta lean in.

[Katie]

These days, I'm falling asleep. Because it's. It's. Instead of reading books, I read Reddit, and I've been diving deep into this one called what is this? And basically, people take a picture of something, they don't know what it is.

[Megan]

I love that subreddit. I love that subreddit.

[Katie]

And it's like a gasket. And I'm like. Like, that changed.

[Megan]

And you just scroll.

[Katie]

I'm so glad.

[Megan]

And, like, you find, like, wisdom and humor in the comments and you're like, what's hap. What book is this? I forget what book I'm reading. It's. Yeah, I know what it's like. It's really fun. That's why we turn to our favorite subreddits. Whether that's the intuition practice or. What is this?

[Katie]

Whatever question you're dealing with, whatever problem you're stuck on, Reddit always has the answers. Download the Reddit app and get answers on what this is.

[Megan]

What is this?

[Katie]

Download the Reddit app today.

[Megan]

Today. Okay, so I'm going to tell you a story now. This is the story of Athelia Poncel Linsley and her brutal murder.

[Katie]

Good.

[Megan]

Yeah, great. Good times. This one's a weird one. It's a doozy. Okay, so Athalia, first of all, love the name Athalia.

[Katie]

It's just something ethereal.

[Megan]

Very ethereal. Athalia was born Marianne Fetter on July 25, 1917, in good old Toledo, Ohio. Her father was a wealthy utilities magnate. So she grew up in money. Like, she was wealthy. She lived in a wealthy family. They actually were so wealthy that they lived in something called a marble palace. So, okay, speaking of, like, the marble floor of the Egyptian theater that was. And that ended up being dumpster tiles.

[Katie]

Right.

[Megan]

Mod podge together. This one was actually a marble palace on the Isle of Pines, south of Cuba. Like, this is the. Yeah, of course. Natural.

[Katie]

So is mine.

[Megan]

So, yeah, same, same.

[Katie]

Also, like, first of all, you never hear Magnate anymore. I would love someone to just be honest and tell us who they are. And they're like, I'm a magnet.

[Megan]

Sexy. It's a sexy word, I think. Magnate.

[Katie]

Oh, which magnet? Oh, the one in the marble palace.

[Megan]

Oh, my God. I thought you said a witch magnate. And I went, yes, I. That. It's that. I want that. A witch mag.

[Katie]

I. I would like there to be a magnet involved in magnets. A magnet magnet.

[Megan]

A magnet magnet.

[Katie]

That'd be very funny.

[Megan]

Stupid.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Megan]

Sorry. I'm the heir of the magnet magnate fortune. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Yeah. So her father was a utilities magnate. Boring. Um, but they lived in a marble palace, of course, on the Isle of Pines, south of Cuba, and grew up in this environment. She was tall. She was described as willowy, beautiful, attended private schools, was raised very creme de la creme. She moved to Jacksonville, Florida, as a young girl and ultimately ended up in New York City becoming something called a Powers moment model. And I guess what I want to say here is, like, this was. I don't know how else to put it, except that she was very much hated. Like, it reminds me of someone divisive today. Like, someone successful and divisive. Like.

[Katie]

Like using their powers for evil.

[Megan]

No, more just like some people are like, go, girl. And some people are, like, hateful. I don't know the right way. She was. She was.

[Katie]

She was interested in making friends.

[Megan]

Yes. Thank you. Thank you. That is so well put. Okay. I knew you'd have the language for it. So she became a Powers model. And at the time, a Powers model was, like, quite an elite thing. This guy, John Robert Powers, was an American actor, and he founded a modeling agency in New York City and a modeling school. And so those who wanted to be successful, successful in Hollywood would often attend his sort of training programs. Okay. And his Wikipedia is interesting rabbit hole. And definitely has, like, quite a bit of controversy in and of itself. Like, so if you want to go down that rabbit hole, I definitely recommend it. But I'm just kind of giving you an idea of her backstory here. During World War II, she played bit parts in Broadway musicals. She was a chorus line dancer. Yep. And then her probably most prominent role. And this is where we get into that. Found. I almost said found. Footage that lost footage. Hopefully someday found. Yeah, footage. Because she actually was a television personality for a while.

[Katie]

Get out.

[Megan]

I know. And she was on the show, a game show called Winner Take all, hosted by Bud Collier.

[Katie]

I think it's Bud Collier.

[Megan]

Bud Collier, Yeah. Obviously.

[Katie]

Sorry, I just surround myself with magnates, and that's how they say it.

[Megan]

So you're a game show magnate. I mean, you of all people would know how to pronounce, like, old, old,

[Katie]

gay and Maybe it is Collier, but in his transatlantic accent, I think it was bod Collier.

[Megan]

That's definitely it. Then let's go with that. Okay, so thank you for that correction. During. So during this time, she was sort of like a support role. Unfortunately, we can't know for sure because there's no footage of it, because the studios would just tape over all the. All their shows. And once the tapes degraded enough, they tossed them. It was just like they saw TV and stuff as, like, disposable, I guess. And it was like, why would we save this? And now it's just like, has people on the Internet ripping their hair out, like, desperate for their thesis statement or their dissertation to find something. Like, I mean, I found forums where people were like, I'm writing my thesis on this person. This was in 2022. Somebody was posting that, like, they couldn't find the footage of this and wanted to. And were writing about her murder and wanted to find this footage. And I was like, me too.

[Katie]

I mean, without knowing anything, it, like, it just immediately feels suspicious that she is a murder victim and lost footage of her is missing. It just. It feels like it's intentional. And I know they're probably two completely separate situations, but it just feels odd.

[Megan]

They are definitely separate. And you'll see why I believe. I think unless there's something like, way deeper underfoot, which I'll always entertain. I think in this case it is just a coincidence, but it is kind of an ominous one.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Megan]

You know, it's just a little.

[Katie]

I mean, yes.

[Megan]

That there's no footage of it anywhere,

[Katie]

but just feels like missing evidence all of a sudden.

[Megan]

It does. And. And the show, winner take all is. I guess I don't. I didn't know the show. I mean, it sounds familiar, but it's also like a phrase. So I don't know if I knew the show. Essentially, it's one of the earliest televised game shows ever. It paved the way for a lot of other game shows, even though it was, like, very simple. And like I said, there's known surviving footage of the show. So we don't really know unless you're 105 and watched it in your toddler program or whatever.

[Katie]

We said, wouldn't it be crazy if it was like. Like it filmed over the. The movie I was talking about. Now they're both missing.

[Megan]

Oh, my God.

[Katie]

Just a constant recycled film of lost footage.

[Megan]

Talk about, like a haunting. Like, that feels haunted.

[Katie]

There's got to be a haunted movie reel somewhere.

[Megan]

Footage. Yeah, definitely.

[Katie]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Megan]

Definitely. I don't. I don't doubt that for a second. Okay, so this is kind of Athalia's whole deal, right? She was also reportedly a friend of the Boston Kennedys, and she wintered with them in Palm beach, which is why I was kind of earlier when you said, like, oh, this was the child ghost summer home. I was like, really? We can do that in the afterlife. So she's wintering with the Kennedys. She actually dated Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. And rumors suggested they were engaged, but then he died in that plane crash during World War II. Now we kind of fast forward at this point. You kind of know what you need to know about, like, her backstory. She had been married and divorced twice before. She moved to St. Augustine, Florida, in 1971. And in 1973, she married a man named James Jinx Lindsley, a successful real estate agent and former mayor of St. Augustine, Florida.

[Katie]

I'm sorry, but you just know his tagline is, like, we won't jinx you.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't. Don't jinx it. Vote for Jinx. Yeah.

[Katie]

Brad Corb in my town would hate Jinx Lindsley.

[Megan]

Now, that would be a fake fanfic.

[Katie]

That would be the.

[Megan]

For the ages.

[Katie]

That would be incredible. It's like Brad started again, but Jinx isn't a jinx.

[Megan]

Jinxed it all. Wow.

[Katie]

Something like that. Someone else in the comments. Someone smarter than me. Have fun.

[Megan]

He was gonna win it all.

[Katie]

There's your prompt.

[Megan]

His. His. His latest win was jinxed by.

[Katie]

There's something there.

[Megan]

We'll work on it. Okay.

[Katie]

It's like how. It's like how in Orange county, their car dealership is, like, in Orange, we're not a lemon. Something like that.

[Megan]

You know, it's just like that.

[Katie]

It's just like that.

[Megan]

It's the same thing. Yeah. So Jinx. And, like, I've had this conversation on this podcast with you before, but it never fails to amuse me when rich people have ridiculous nicknames like Jinx Lindsley. And then we've got, you know, I knew a Pants.

[Katie]

His name was Pants.

[Megan]

Her name was Pants.

[Katie]

Her name was Pants. Okay.

[Megan]

I knew a Jock. Oh, she's married to Jock. And then there's, like, Bunny. You know, like the kind of, like, nickname. Like the kind of, like, country club nicknames. And so Jinx just kind of reeks it. That to me. I mean, it's a fun nickname, but, like, just in the time period, knowing he's also, like, a real estate agent and the Mayor. So it just kind of like, you

[Katie]

know, I mean, Mayor Jenks, I'm sorry. There's just so much good promo you could do with that.

[Megan]

It's. It writes itself. It really does. I mean, apparently not because you and I cannot fucking write it.

[Katie]

But, like, give me more than 30 fucking seconds, you know, on the spot.

[Megan]

On the spot. You're right. This isn't the game show Winner Take All. Okay. Okay. So she moves to St. Augustine. She's on her third marriage. I say that to just say, like, she's kind of like done around with a lot of things in her life. Like you really well put earlier. She's not here to make friends, okay? She's newly married. Aelia and Jinx live in separate houses. Some people make a big deal of this. I don't think it's really that odd because they're wealthy and like, married and in this the 70. I don't know. I don't think it's that odd. But make with. Make of that what you will. But Athalia herself lived at 124 Marine street and this was a residence that was valued at about $75,000 at the time, which today is around 600k. It was a Spanish style residence. Meanwhile, her husband Jinx lived at the historic Linsley House, which, again, just to remind you, is his last name.

[Katie]

So, I mean, it's kind of like Schultz Swarth Manor. It's like.

[Megan]

Yeah, right.

[Katie]

Jinx Lindsley. I know you. We see each other. You know what I mean?

[Megan]

Except, like, I think. No offense, M, but I think his is more like. That's actually what the place is like.

[Katie]

Well, he is also a real estate person. I think he found ways to make it official. Mine's just.

[Megan]

You make a very good point. But he also was the mayor, so.

[Katie]

See, he was just. He had more power than I did.

[Megan]

That's all. That's what I'm saying. I think he just kind of had a bit little. A little more right to the throne. And I don't say that like. I say that with.

[Katie]

Let's not forget, I'm gonna be mayor. You'll see.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Katie]

All right. And you're gonna feel real silly by saying hi.

[Megan]

I will. I will vote for you.

[Katie]

Thank you. You're not in my district, I don't think. But that's okay.

[Megan]

I will.

[Katie]

I'm gonna collab with Mayor Max and

[Megan]

then that'll for you in my heart.

[Katie]

Mayor Max is a little nearby, by the way. Oh, I almost texted Mayor Max yesterday. I to have told you about mayor texted. Yeah, I, I told you a while ago. Mayor Max.

[Megan]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie]

Oh, I, I, oh, I recall the golden retriever.

[Megan]

I didn't know he has a phone, though.

[Katie]

He. Mayor Max is a golden retriever. He is the honorary mayor of a town nearby, and him and I now have each other's phone numbers.

[Megan]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie]

And I was trying to text RJ's wife, May, and so I asked my phone, hey, text Mayor. Mayor. And it said, what do you want to say to Mayor Max? And I went, so many things. Put it away. So many things. I can't do it right now.

[Megan]

Don't get me started.

[Katie]

Anyway, Mayor Max, if you're.

[Megan]

I haven't come to issue 2.3. What do you want to say to Mayor Max? That's hilarious.

[Katie]

I don't have the time anyway.

[Megan]

Oh, my God, I hate when my phone does that. What do you want to say to your old college professor? Why the would I be texting my old. Like, come on.

[Katie]

I know.

[Megan]

Okay. Anyway, way, let's get back to the story. So. So Jinx lives at the historic linsley House on St George street, while Athalia lives on Marine Street. She was described at the time as feisty, outspoken, and abrasive. So to give you the idea of, like, you know, she wasn't necessarily well liked among those who, who liked a mild mannered woman.

[Katie]

Yeah. If you're looking for a warm woman, it ain't her.

[Megan]

Yeah, people didn't like her very much. So in the Orlando Sentinel, she was described as, quote, a sharp tongued, aggressive woman who would not have won any popularity contests.

[Katie]

Damn. And she probably knew that about herself. And she was fine with that.

[Megan]

Big time. You have to know, if the newspaper is publishing it about you, you better know it.

[Katie]

Someone's telling you. Maybe not because you're friends, but whatever.

[Megan]

Yeah. Open the door and read the room. Read the newspaper, Take a rock, drink

[Katie]

some coffee, fly a kite. Yeah.

[Megan]

Wow, that was harsh. So in 1970, she actually made an unsuccessful bid for state senator, and she was planning to run for the St. John's County Commission. But in the meantime, she got very involved with her community. Unfortunately, that was often in a very abrasive way. And so she would show up at these weekly county commission meetings and she would just, like, denounce local officials. Officials, obviously, mostly men. And so specifically, one particular neighbor she had a problem with was called Alan Stanford, and he was the county manager and county engineer of St. Augustine. And the feud that the two of them had began over Athalia's pets because like any rough around the edges and slightly unlikable woman, she had a menagerie of rain, rescue animals and she had a goat. She had six or seven rescue dogs. And like, for a wealthy woman to be kind of collecting animals like this, the neighbor was really pissed. And Alan basically said the barking is incessant.

[Katie]

Say the sound, the smell.

[Megan]

The sound, the smell. It's like, you know, he's thinking, I pay for like a house here, yada yada. And so they get into this feud and like, she is not going to back down. Right, Right. So neighbors had actually like not just him, but other neighbors, including a Colonel McCormick, had actually filed noise complaints already and nuisance warrants because of these animals. She had whoopsies. Athalia would then retaliate by kind of being a little erratic. She would like cut the limbs off their trees, typically over the property line. But like, she was kind of antagonizing them, right?

[Katie]

Sure.

[Megan]

Whether she like knew it or not or whether it was warranted or not is not for me to say. But like, she was definitely not calming the fire. She was fanning the flames. Okay. She planted 10 foot tall bamboo to obstruct Alan's view. So she's just like, with the guy,

[Katie]

she really is saying like, just, she's just. It's a clear boundary. She's like, I just, yeah, I just want to separate myself from you. Deal with it.

[Megan]

Yeah. But also kind of to piss him off. Yeah. Kind of poking it, poking the bear, you know, like, she didn't need to block his view to like make a point. You know what I mean? Like, she's kind of, she's kind of antagonizing him. And she, for example, goes to, you know, county meetings and is like, he's not fit to run. Like, she's really taking it personally. Like she's, she's not engaging in healthy boundary setting, let's put it that way. From my humble opinion, I think she's. Maybe she's antagonizing him a little bit, which, like, fair. You can do that. It's just unfortunately in this case, it did not end well. Yeah, it's rough. So, you know, they have this feud going. I mean, it's like out of a sitcom. Right. Like, you build a really tall fence to. With your neighbor and then they get mad so you cut their tree down. I mean, it's like the classic just neighbor stuff. So I'm not trying to like victim blame.

[Katie]

No, it feels like, like for now, a bit of it could Be a buddy comedy so far.

[Megan]

Exactly. Exactly. And it's like, I wish it had just stopped there. Like, she's got a goat, right? He's pissed about the pet goat. I mean, it again, it's like out of a. Out of a movie. So the tension just escalated, though, because Athalia then made a report, a public report, claiming that Allen lacked the requisite certification to be the county engineer. So now she's like, coming for the man man's job.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Megan]

Alan reportedly told Athalia in her driveway, you're a vicious and evil woman, and one day, I'm going to fix you.

[Katie]

Fix you is crazy.

[Megan]

That's just beyond.

[Katie]

Fix you is crazy. I mean, really, there's some real vitriol in that last half.

[Megan]

Oh, it's alarming. It's alarming. At a county meeting in October 1973, Athalia basically told the commission, this man threatened my life. And. And like, it's not cool. So the date of the murder was January 23, 1974. And it was the first day of the Chinese New Year. It was Year of the Tiger, in case you're wondering, and I know you were.

[Katie]

I was.

[Megan]

Athelia and Jinx traveled to Jacksonville to buy frozen vegetables for a, quote, home cooked Chinese dinner.

[Katie]

Sick.

[Megan]

You know. You know, pretty exciting stuff. Aalia reportedly joked that it was considered unlucky that day to use a sharp instrument, especially. Especially a knife. But, oh well, they cut up vegetables and made dinner anyway.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Megan]

It's also unlucky to cut your hair on Chinese New Year. Is it? Yep. And you know how I found out?

[Katie]

Because you did it.

[Megan]

No. My brother had a haircut appointment and it got canceled last minute. And then the friend we were with was like, oh, you know, it's actually unlucky to get your hair cut on Chinese New Year. And we were like, what? So, you know, he was spared, but. But fun fact. So she jokes like, haha, we shouldn't even be using a knife on Chinese New Year. It just is a little bit too foreshadowing. I mean, too on the nose foreshadowing.

[Katie]

Hank, I feel like every time I'm telling you about this sweet little puppy of mine, it's that he has a new best friend. I mean, he's a Gemini, so it makes sense. He's got a new best friend named Kahlua. Kahlua loves tennis balls. And just chewing the fuzz right off. And swallowing.

[Megan]

Eating it. Yeah, yeah.

[Katie]

Hank has picked this up. Isn't that cute? I thought we evaded this, but now he's just taken big old gulps at the dog park of things he should not be gulping. And now I'm like, oh, when is hospital time? I'm nervous about that.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katie]

Sadly, I have to say when, not if that time comes. There is ASPCA pet health insurance for me.

[Megan]

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[Katie]

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[Megan]

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[Katie]

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[Megan]

The couple returned to St. Augustine. Jinx went to his home on Anastasia Island. Athelia went to her home on Marine street, and according to reports, she decided. Decided to take her pet on a walk. And what pet was it, you may ask? It was, of course, and I quote, her quote, crippled pet, blue jay, Clementine. Hmm. Okay, now, Clementine for a walk. For a walk.

[Katie]

Was the, the disability that he can't fly? It's a bird.

[Megan]

I. I'll be honest, I don't know. All I do know is that she carried him around in a cage, so I'm assuming. So I was like, walking.

[Katie]

A bird's fucking insane. That's just, I mean, jail to a bird.

[Megan]

Look at her. She's like walking around with a. I know, right? You're like, haha, look at what you.

[Katie]

Haha. You're on a leash when you could do so much faster.

[Megan]

I mean, I've seen that when you have like a. A bird that needs the. Needs that rehab or something. Rehab or like needs that sort of outdoor time. But like, yeah, this is not that this is certainly not that. And this is also Florida. And this is also rich people in Florida. So like it does feel like something

[Katie]

only a rich person would do. It's like I'm gonna go walk my

[Megan]

blue jay, my crippled blue jay in a cage. I mean. And like it's very Tiger King, all this. Like it's, it's, it's Florida. Okay. It's these rich politician people in Florida who all are selling real estate and like just naming things after themselves and like walking their pet birds and like screaming at the neighbors and like gossiping. I mean it's just a, like, like it could have been a reality show and I would have absolutely watched it, you know, understood. Unfortunately it ended up like in a much worse place. But as of like up to now, you're right, buddy. Comedy, like walking a pair, like walking up. What was it?

[Katie]

It just feels like something Jim Carrey would do. It's like.

[Megan]

Yes. Yeah, it's like a little bit like quirky, eccentric, offbeat. So, okay, she goes to walk her pet blue jay, Clementine. And as she exits the home sometime between 5:30pm and 6:00pm a middle aged man in a white dress shirt and dark dress pants quickly approach to Thalia, pulled out a machete and began to hack her to death.

[Katie]

Holy. And it. So it wasn't our, our main character. It's probably a hired situation since they're. We.

[Megan]

I'm just going to say right now, we have no idea.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Megan]

So this man in the white dress shirt and dark pants approaches, begins to hack at her with a machete. She was struck not nine times with this thing and sustained defensive wounds on her arms. One finger was severed. And when police arrived, they described her body as nearly decapitated.

[Katie]

Oh my God.

[Megan]

It was an extremely brutal and bloody murder. It was in public on her doorstep, just really shocking. Her blue and white dress was hiked up. When they found her, her shoe was lost, her pearls were scattered on the, the sidewalk. Clementine's bird cage was smashed and the bird was never seen again.

[Katie]

So someone stole Clementine or like those

[Megan]

like it flew away or, or. Yeah, who knows? Yeah, no clue.

[Katie]

So also you learn in that that they weren't robbing her because her pearls are everywhere.

[Megan]

Right.

[Katie]

Does feel like if it were a hired hit, it was not done well. I don't know. I was gonna say it wasn't done well because it was in broad daylight, but maybe they wanted it to, to

[Megan]

be a spectacle of like could, could very well be. And you know, that's where this Case starts to get really twisty turny is because you're thinking, well would they? That's what they would want you to think. But that's what they would want you to think, you know, and it kind of goes in that cycle. So you're definitely on to something. Unfortunately there was, well, fortunately there was a witness, but unfortunately was an 18 year old boy named Locke McCormick who lived next door. And he heard what he described as a peculiar slapping noise. While he was just reading a magazine. He looked out the window and saw a man swinging his arm downward and walking away toward neighbor Allen's property. So Locke ran inside and told his mother and grandmother, And I quote, Mr. Stanford is hitting Mrs. Poncel because from his perspective, yeah, you wouldn't think saw me has a machete with a machete hitting that person and walking toward Mr. Stanford's house. So he's like Mr. Sanford was just hitting her. But he didn't really understand. The McCormicks found a Thalia. They went over there and they found her in a pool of blood, just the worst possible scenario. And called the police, of course. And a trail of blood led from the body toward the driveway at the south side of Athalia's home, right near neighbor Allen's house. There was no weapon found at the scene. And In February of 1974, a county mechanic named Dewey Lee searched a marsh miles away to claim a 500 reward. And he did because he found a package in the marsh containing a blood stained white shirt, dark blue trousers, a belt, a purple tie and a wristwatch. And near this packet was a rusty machete. And when they traced the wristwatch watch back by its serial number, it went straight to neighbor Allan.

[Katie]

Oh, that'll do it.

[Megan]

The shirt and pants were also identified as having been purchased by Allen's wife. And his name was written in some of them. But this is when you start to get into the theory of is it too obvious she has a public feud with the this guy. Did someone else want her dead? And like say, well this is easy. Her neighbor hates her and says he's going to kill her. And then she went to the county, whatever, and said my neighbor says he's going to kill me. But then again, you know, you look at every other pattern and guess what? A man says he's going to kill you. He just might.

[Katie]

So, I mean, is it. So it could have been him. It could have. I mean, could it have been like a stalker who like was obsessed with her on TV or something? Like, I don't, I know it's like

[Megan]

random, but I think it was more an act of.

[Katie]

I mean, all the clothes say his name, you know, never mind.

[Megan]

I mean, yeah, it was definitely like an act of some sort of. But the alternate theory being like, maybe it was the new husband or somebody who wanted her out of the picture and found the neighbor to be an easy scapegoat. Do you know what I mean?

[Katie]

It feels too easy to me.

[Megan]

It feels too easy. But then I'm also like, but men have done worse for. Not worse, but like, men have done shit like this for like lesser insults or like, you know what I mean? So I'm like, it could very well just be he had no. He wasn't in control of his fucking.

[Katie]

I mean, I guess he, like, you have to have a very specific level of rage to not think twice. At least do it in a place where nobody's gonna see. Yeah, he makes you want Red to do that and think, I'm gonna get away with this, or I don't even think about getting away with it.

[Megan]

Right, exactly. My thoughts exactly. It's sort of like either he was so pissed that he, like lost any semblance of, I've gotta cover this up because I have an important job I want to keep and he just totally threw that out the window, or it was somebody like kind of pointing it to him.

[Katie]

So, like trying to peg it on him.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, I agree, because I just found strange. But, you know, sometimes it is just the simplest answer. So anyway, we'll get to it. So we get now back to the investigation. Allan, after finding. After this package was found and like that too, you know, people have pointed to like, oh, a packet with his clothes that have his name on it. Like, doesn't that feel a little obvious? But it's also like, well, yeah, if you have clothes you killed someone in, you would. You would hide them, you know, in the woods or something. Something. So I. I go back and forth either way. He's arrested because, of course. And indicted for first degree murder four weeks into the investigation. At the trial, defense attorney Edward Booth argued that the sheriff's office had planted the evidence to frame Allen. Which is like a huge claim to say that the sheriff's office planted this. But that's because they had this sort of alternate theory they were presenting to the the jury. Booth suggested that the mechanic who had found the clothes and stuff, Dewey Lee, could have committed the crime and then planted them to get the reward. He also claimed, like, maybe it was her, somebody else, because, you know, she's so Unlikable, Right? Like enemies. Yeah, anybody. Exactly. He actually characterized her as an obnoxious, strange and vicious woman with men, many enemies. And the neighbor, when they brought him up, Locke, under cross examination, he actually recanted that it was Mr. Stanford. And he said the kid, the killer he saw was actually heavier with more hair. So it's like, unclear whether resemble the guy. Like, which guy?

[Katie]

Sorry, that. So it does. That's.

[Megan]

So he's basically saying he's. He was panting, right?

[Katie]

But he wasn't the Mr. Stanford or what's his name?

[Megan]

Yeah, Alan Stanford. He's saying, oh, this guy was way heavier and had more hair than Alan Stanford. Couldn't have been him. And it was further complicated because the sheriff had actually had him interviewed under hypnosis. So now one's arguing, like, well, is his story now true or is it like, less true? It's just unclear. Like, he's changing his story. So that kind of makes it more confusing. Confusing. Witnesses provided an alibi stating that Allen was actually in his office at the time of the murder. And so whether these people were telling the truth or were part of some other plan, the jury deliberated for only two to two and a half hours. And interestingly enough, side note, during deliberations, the jurors were served a, quote, dinner on the. The county.

[Katie]

That's bribery, babe.

[Megan]

Yeah, like, the guy works for the county. The guy who's get on trial for murder, like, lest we forget.

[Katie]

I feel like. I feel like it could have been him. And even though the neighbor is saying, oh, well, I don't think it was him because he was heavier or whatever. I mean, I know what my neighbors look like. And.

[Megan]

And the sheriff, like, made him go under hypnosis to, like. It's just the whole thing reeks of something weird. If.

[Katie]

If I saw. If I looked out the window and I saw someone hitting or stabbing my neighbor, I would know pretty immediately if who it was, like, for him to so quickly go, oh, it was. It was Allan. And then like, oh, well, he's heavier and like that. Like, he also could have looked heavier because he was hunched over stabbing a dead woman.

[Megan]

Like, yeah, but then you wonder, like, he just maybe assumed it was him and never saw his face. Do you know what I mean? Like.

[Katie]

Like, maybe it was like, I guess so.

[Megan]

I.

[Katie]

Maybe I'm like, reading too much into, like, what I would do, but, like, if I saw someone, I. I would.

[Megan]

You're right. You're right.

[Katie]

I'd be like, who is that? Who is doing that?

[Megan]

You Wouldn't just say, that must be Alan. Like, you're like, if someone were attacking someone, even if it was on their front step, you wouldn't assume it's the next door neighbor. You'd be like, who's attacking my next door neighbor?

[Katie]

Especially if they're in a small town, everybody knows everybody and this guy is like a major player that everyone knows, knows you don't.

[Megan]

And they've got beef. And you know that he's two doors down from you. I mean, and one of the sources I saw him say, like that the stature or the walk reminded him of him. And I'm like, well, then I think maybe we can trust.

[Katie]

I think he was just a kid and he was scared of like accusing someone who has power and lives two doors down.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Katie]

I'm sure he was threatened. If this guy is paying the the jury or giving the jury all this really nice meal to like shut them up or sweet talk them in some way. I' sure he also bribed or secretly threatened this 18 year old kid who was like, your mom and your grandma live here and like some bl. And you know what I'm capable of, blah, blah, blah. Like he could have said anything or like, who knows?

[Megan]

Or even the sheriff said, you can't with, you can't with the count, like he's on the county. You can't. You have to do this or that. Like, what are you going to do, you know, if the sheriff tells you? Yeah. So I agree. It's definitely shady.

[Katie]

This feels like a closed case to me.

[Megan]

I mean, it's like once you put it out all out like that, it feels pretty obvious. So they of course paint her as having lots of enemies and it could be, could be anyone. And then like, you know, two hours of deliberation while they eat dinner on his dime. He's found not guilty. So share. The sheriff says he refuses to pursue anyone else. He says he believed he had the right, the right man when he did. And now it's just. Everybody's just gonna move on. So you think that's the end? Oh, it's not.

[Katie]

Okay.

[Megan]

So of course you can imagine that this murder stirred up some drama in town and stirred up a lot of talk. This woman was already divisive. She was well known. She'd been on, she'd been a television personality. She was married to the former mayor. Like she's, this is a big, big deal. She was murdered to death with a machete on her front step. Like, this is big news. So when reporters are going around like, talking to those who knew her. One of her friends, Francis Bemis was her name. She was like a friend who lived nearby. And she was like, you know what? I'm actually like, writing. She did have a lot of people that didn't like her very much. And I'm actually writing a book about this case on my friend's murder because I'm like, trying to get to the bottom, bottom of it. She was a 76 year old PR specialist, newspaper writer and fashion director. So she was very much, like, high up for a woman of that time, like in the career world, you know. And so she was like, I'm gonna write about this. And she was very open about that. She was gathering material for a book about Athelia's death. She claimed she had information pertinent to the case. But she told people, like, I am not afraid. Afraid of this beautiful community we have. I'm still gonna go on my daily walks. She actually even insisted that she had taken a walk the night Athalia was killed. And I was like, okay, I love

[Katie]

your commitment to the bet.

[Megan]

But like, yeah, it's a little bit like, that's not really a nice thing to say, but okay, yeah, sure. So anyway, she goes on these daily walks and she insists that, like, the community's still safe. And we fast forward 10 months. November 3, 1974. Francis goes for her nightly walk and disappears.

[Katie]

It's this guy. Like, what are you talking about?

[Megan]

It's this guy. Okay. Her body is found the next day in a vacant lot near the corner of Bridge and Marine streets. Her skull had been crushed with a concrete block.

[Katie]

Yeah, that's as violent as getting stabbed with a machete until you're almost decapitated. It's the same guy. Yeah.

[Megan]

And her body was partly burned to destroy evidence, but, like, it didn't work. So they just left everything there. Oh, my God. And like, remember, she's a PR specialist and a professional writer and was reportedly gay, gathering evidence about this murder and was going to write a book about it. And she went on her daily routine walk, like, and talked about it in the newspaper. I mean, it's just horrifying. So, like, of course the story immediately became like, oh, my God, Francis knew something. She knew too much and she was too open about it and, you know, she wanted to reveal it and was killed to keep her quiet. Especially because she was known for being. Being so outspoken and she even insinuated to friends, like, I have more information than I can even let on. Sorry, there's like teenagers outside, they sound

[Katie]

like they're having fun. This is their 10 minutes where they get to giggle with their crush and

[Megan]

scream and, like, play with each other. Backpacks. I know.

[Katie]

Karma. We were the same.

[Megan]

I get it. I do.

[Katie]

Someone's probably stealing a boy's baseball hat right now.

[Megan]

Yes. And, like, where. Oh my God, you're so right. And then someone's just, like, longingly, like, jealous.

[Katie]

That was me. Every time.

[Megan]

That was me too. Okay, so her murder occurred on November 3, 1974. I know I said this already, but it's important because roughly 10 months after Aelia's death is when this took place. And this was also while preparations were being made for the trial of Alan Stanford. So don't you think maybe she would have been somebody that was called upon to testify if she did have some intention?

[Katie]

Surely do.

[Megan]

So the killer had ripped off her clothes and attempted to burn the body to destroy evidence, but failed. But there was no evidence of sexual assault. So that, like, further pointed to this motive of, you know, trying to silence her. Despite the high profile nature of this crime and like, the compounding effect of the first crime, the initial investigation was described as flawed and basically yielded no suspects, no leads. Like, just fizzled out beyond me. Just Beyond. So the St. Augustine Police Department actually reopened the case in 2012 because they wanted to apply more modern DNA testing to the evidence, but they actually were not able to really get much. And so both cases to this day remain unsolved.

[Katie]

Like, that's the stupidest one to be unsolved. It's.

[Megan]

Isn't that, like, infuriating? And it's just the story of, like, a successful woman that everyone hates, hated, like, and the men.

[Katie]

Or like, a powerful man who gets away with it.

[Megan]

Got away with it just because of their feelings were hurt or what. There was a goat outside. I know. That's simplifying it. I know. Okay, guys, but like, come on.

[Katie]

It's crazy.

[Megan]

I'm just sick of this.

[Katie]

It just. It just feels so obvious to me.

[Megan]

Yes, it's so obvious. It's like we have a. We finally have a. Like a fun character with a bird and it has a TV show. And like, you know, it started so silly, right? Like, it was like a buddy comedy for a minute and then you had to go and it all up. Pisses me off.

[Katie]

Well, what are the odds that we're bummed again?

[Megan]

Well, my stomach just turned because now I have to go to Jiu Jitsu and I'm terrified.

[Katie]

Take a Clonapin. Like, A little. No.

[Megan]

Then I'm gonna just fall asleep.

[Katie]

Oh, right, right, right. I was thinking more like of a. Like a propranolol situation where, like, it just makes you a little less nervous, but I understand.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I'll. Maybe I'll just. Just do a breathing exercise. I don't know.

[Katie]

Well, you're gonna do great.

[Megan]

So. So why am I so nervous? I think it's because, like, Blaze's friends and stuff and like.

[Katie]

Yeah, you want to impress them.

[Megan]

Crowd and I just. I just don't even want to impress them. I just want to, like, be normal.

[Katie]

I would want to impress them. Or maybe it's not impressed. It's like I don't want to embarrass myself.

[Megan]

Exactly. Like, I just don't want to do something really, really dumb. Like I don't think anybody's judging me, but it's like, I don't. I just want to make sure. Sure I'm like a good representation of myself today, you know?

[Katie]

And that's why I got propranolol.

[Megan]

Yeah, I get it.

[Katie]

The stage fright of it all. Well, you're going to do great.

[Megan]

Thank you. Thank you. Maybe I do have some left. I'll go look.

[Katie]

Yeah, propanol never hurt anyone. It's a good time.

[Megan]

Yeah. Don't. We're not doctors. Don't take that medical advice.

[Katie]

And by anyone, I mean me. All right, well, and that. That's why we drink.

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