E485 A Biblically Accurate Batman and a Birthday Bark Mitzvah

Summary

Podcast Summary: "E485 A Biblically Accurate Batman and a Birthday Bark Mitzvah"

And That's Why We Drink
Hosts: Christine Schiefer & Em Schultz
Date: May 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

This playful birthday episode weaves together personal stories about birthdays, canine “bark mitzvahs,” and the joys and anxiety of Gemini season with the podcast's signature blend of true crime and paranormal fascination. Christine and Em celebrate their milestone birthdays with laughter, self-reflection, and—true to theme—a chilling Spanish paranormal case, a deep-dive into astrology and serial killers, and an honest, heartfelt discussion about sobriety.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Dog Bark Mitzvahs and Gemini Birthdays (04:07–16:41)

• Em describes celebrating their dog Hank’s “bark mitzvah” for his 13th year, complete with games like “Pin the Tail on the Hankies” and a dog-friendly dreidel.
• Christine shares anticipation for her own birthday, plans for a neighborhood history walk in Newport, KY, and jokes about aging into “full nerd” territory.
• Both hosts riff on throwback prom stories and the mania of Gemini season, with lots of banter on quirky party themes, family secrets, and upcoming travels.

"Are you sure? Because I feel like it's almost like you can kind of like get people. You're like, see, I throw a good party and then you can, like, amp it up and be like, you're thinking, okay, now, now you want to come because you're gonna have fun."
—Christine (18:08)

• Vacation Announcement: The hosts are taking their “first holiday week,” pausing releases during their birthday celebrations. (15:01–15:57)

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2. Introducing the Para Pods Parasocial Club (19:41–22:52)

• Excitement about launching the “Para Pods Parasocial Club”—a new YouTube series featuring collaborative chats across the Para Pods network, letting hosts from different shows riff together on topics from true crime to nostalgic movies.
• Segment features playful wordplay on “parasocial relationships,” upcoming crossover topics, and jokes about accidentally broadcasting private voice memos.

"We're introducing by parapods, the brand new parasocial club. Okay. It's so good. And, like, we don't mean parasocial in, like. Oh, it's gotten way out of hand. Parasocial. We mean parasocial. Like, I want to be friends with that podcaster."
—Christine (20:38)

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3. Birthday Traditions and Cake Talk (23:42–26:55)

• Christine muses about her favorite birthday desserts—leaning toward carrot cake, while Em and Christine vent their relationship pet-peeves about the phrase “you’re right.”
• Tangents about songwriting, poetry workshops, and the unexpected chaos of the “Kundalini awakening” pop up, as do tales of the long-defunct ChaCha SMS answer service.

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4. True Story: The Paranormal Case of Estefania Gutiérrez Lázaro ("The Vallecas Case") (37:02–68:36)

Timestamps:

• Intro to the Case: 37:02
• Backstory—Ouija Board Incident: 38:45–44:20
• Onset of Possession/Illness: 44:22–46:03
• Escalation and Her Death: 44:49–45:42
• Post-Mortem Hauntings: 46:03–51:01
• Police Investigation and Official Report: 60:58–65:46
• Legacy and Skepticism: 65:56–68:36

Summary:

• Estefania, a Madrid teenager, attempts to contact a late boyfriend via Ouija board with friends in a school bathroom. A nun interrupts, breaks the board, and a mysterious “white smoke” is reportedly inhaled by Estefania.
• She soon suffers seizures, hallucinations, personality changes (including barking, biting, memory lapses), and dies after a year of escalating symptoms.
• The haunting in her family’s apartment intensifies after her death: doors slam, shadowy faceless figures appear, strange noises, moving furniture, and even attacks on family and pets.
• The case climaxes with the family fleeing the house and calling police, who officially report unexplained phenomena including temperature drops, banging sounds, a flying cupboard door, and crucifixes rotating upside down.
• The incident is notable for being among the only Spanish cases where unexplained occurrences are cited in official police records.
• Discussion includes theories of mass hysteria, mental illness, family trauma, and the possible role of environmental factors or suggestion.

“...this was during the 80s–90s Satanic panic... I mean, it makes sense to me why a thought would be demons.”
—Em (43:26)

• The case inspired the film Verónica (2017) and its prequel Sister Death.

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5. Serial Killers & Astrology: The Signs of a Killer? (73:28–105:36)

Timestamps

• Astrology Signs & Serial Killer Stats: 73:28–92:26
• Reddit Research—Which Signs Are Overrepresented?: 89:29–94:10
• Discussion of Victim Signs: 98:21–103:37
• Personal Musings and Stereotypes: throughout

Highlights

• Christine fulfills Em’s birthday wish (“No crime!”) by investigating the intersection of serial killers and astrology—riffing on zodiac sign memes, pop culture perceptions, and actual data mined from Reddit and crime sites.
• Sagittarians top one Reddit tally for serial killers, but Cancer, Pisces, and Scorpio (the “water signs”) are highest by raw count.
• Geminis, despite the public meme of being villainous, appear much less frequently in one comprehensive count.
• Tauruses, to the hosts’ amusement, sit at the very bottom for both killers and victims.
• Spirited debate ensues about Scorpios being “deep” and unreadable (“they freak me out!” –Em, 76:11), while Tauruses are described as intimidatingly blunt.
• The group dives into personality traits, the intricacies of sun/moon/rising signs, and whether certain signs escape prosecution due to social skills.
• The potential influence of birth months, environment, and “butterfly effect” factors in human behavior is also discussed.

"I've always gone, I totally, totally understand. We sound like nightmares. But a fun nightmare, you know, it's like when you kind of want to keep looking back at."
—Em (105:11)

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6. Personal Reveal: Christine’s Sobriety Journey (121:27–145:39)

Timestamps

• Christine’s Announcement: 121:27
• The Turning Point—Eclipse Night & Withdrawal: 122:31–126:49
• Discovering New Joys & Facing Grief: 127:42–131:48
• The Shame & Social Complexity of Quitting: 128:59–131:59
• Reframing Life Without Alcohol: 137:00–144:49

Summary

• Christine candidly shares she has quit alcohol (as of 82 days), spurred by a profound, almost mystical feeling during the spring eclipse, followed by several days of intense withdrawal.
• She reflects on the overwhelming role alcohol played in her daily life—both for celebration and emotional coping—and the grief of giving up a central pillar of her “identity,” including as a public podcast persona.
• The journey brought unexpected physical, emotional, and spiritual challenges, but also renewal—Christine now explores new hobbies (watercolor, qigong, jiu-jitsu, mocktails), reconnects with family, and seeks to be gentle with her own process.
• Em expresses pride, sharing solidarity and highlighting non-alcoholic drink recipes.

"If I can do it, you can do it. Believe it me or not. Believe it or not."
—Christine (142:04)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Birthday Season:

  • "I guess that's why I drink. I was. I was actually struggling on, like, why I drink this week, but I guess it's our birthday week. Yeah." (19:31)
  • "Can you guys tell it's Gemini season? I know. It's riling me up, dude. I'm, like, unstoppable. It's so annoying." —Christine (14:01)

• Regarding the "Biblically Accurate Batman":

  • Christine describes seeing a costumed man during a ghost tour, calling him "the most biblically accurate Batman I've ever seen" (10:00), riffing on memes about “biblically accurate angels.”

• On coping with change:

  • "It feels like I've just been, like, kind of reassembled, and so it's very kind of maddening, but also exciting." —Christine (138:55)

• Astrology & Crime:

  • "I think the thing with Taurus is specifically is that, like, anytime they have been, like, direct, they've never been wrong..." —Em (80:35)
  • "I would love to see a discussion between a bunch of them talking about, like, based on the intricacies of your houses and planets..." —Em (94:48)

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Theme & Tone

The episode maintains the hosts’ signature blend of irreverence, vulnerability, and gallows humor. While moments of personal confession provide depth, the predominant mood is lively and unfiltered—a celebration of messiness, milestones, and what it means to keep “drinking” (or not) through life’s wild ride.

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Notable Sections & Timestamps

• Birthday/Bark Mitzvah Banter: 04:07–16:41
• Parasocial Club Announcement: 19:41–22:52
• Beginning of Vallecas Case: 37:02
• Police Report & Paranormal Debate: 60:58–68:36
• Astrology & Serial Killers: 73:28–105:36
• Christine’s Sobriety Reveal & Reflections: 121:27–145:39

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Final Takeaway

This episode is a quintessential "And That's Why We Drink" experience—funny, tangential, spooky, and poignantly honest, perfect for both seasoned fans and newcomers. From analyzing haunted Spanish apartments to grappling with the astrology of murder and the courage needed for personal change, Christine and Em remind listeners why we love tuning in for their unique brand of wisdom, wit, and compassion.

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Why do they (still) drink? Because the world is weird, birthdays are weird, and sometimes, the bravest thing is learning to dance (and heal) through it all—one ghost story, drink, and laugh at a time.

Transcript

[EM Schultz]

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[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

Even prescription ones. And so you can have fun. You can have fun.

[EM Schultz]

I'm not kidding. Like, the, the possibilities are endless when it comes to frames. I've never been on a website that had, it seems like this many different options and they're all, I don't know. I don't know if this is your vibe or not, but for me, I love a statement piece and every single one that I see, I'm like, oh my God. Like, who is she? I wanted to shout out the name too because it was so silly. It was Called like Voo Glam or something. Like the whole glasses looks like mosaic tile and then there's another one that's like just neon. You know, I love neon.

[Christine]

And so you can't tell me about these cuz I'm going to go have to look them up at that price. What are you going to do?

[EM Schultz]

What are you going to do?

[Christine]

What are you going to do?

[EM Schultz]

Not buy.

[Christine]

Not buy the neon. Don't be ridiculous. Don't be a fool.

[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

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[EM Schultz]

Just like I already look disappointed. You have a.

[Christine]

You already know I'm high. Like you looked at my eyes and

[EM Schultz]

went, well, I was like, I've tried to play along and be on your side against your mother's will this whole time, but it's gone too far. I have to side with her. This is getting really gross.

[Christine]

It's finally time for you to step in and I'm so sorry I've disappointed you, dad. Welcome to our podcast. It's called and that's why We Drink. Things are tough out there, man. But you know what? We're still making it work. I'm Christine and I'm here to bring you some bad news about true crime. Here with my co host dad, the

[EM Schultz]

one who's apparently always trying to be the fun parent but is put in a sticky situation every now and then.

[Christine]

That's how you've been typecast. Yes.

[EM Schultz]

I'm EM Schultz and today is a big day for us. This is our birthday episode.

[Christine]

Speaking of which, how was your son's birthday? The bark bark Mitzvah. I saw the pictures I did. It looked delightful.

[EM Schultz]

He is a big boy now. He's a man. Because he's technically 13, right? It went very well. I was shocked how many people bring gifts to a dog bar mitzvah at their own dog park.

[Christine]

I guess if you don't write no gifts, you know, people are just gonna.

[EM Schultz]

I truly just. I mean, I even told people at the park. I was like, oh, we're gonna have a little thing, you know, just, you know, want to invite you to know what time to be here. And everyone just started showing up with gifts. It was I was like, you should make a thing. I know.

[Christine]

You'd be like, actually. So he had his bar mitzvah. Now what's next?

[EM Schultz]

Now it's my birthday, and I'll be. I'm just having a little thing at the dog park.

[Christine]

So, yes, it. Hank will be there, and he will be accepting presents. Thank you.

[EM Schultz]

No, it was a very nice time. And actually today, now we're going to another doggy birthday at the dog park.

[Christine]

So it's so. It's all the rage. I hear these dog birthdays, I, you

[EM Schultz]

know, and I thought they're doing the one thing I did not do where they're. The owner is bringing little mini, like, solo cups with the shot glass size, and she's going to be for pup cups.

[Christine]

That's so smart.

[EM Schultz]

I was like that genius. Whipped cream was the only thing I didn't bring at my party.

[Christine]

That's the only thing you didn't bring. Okay, well, now that begs the. What the hell did you bring? That's the only thing, the only thing missing. Did you have a bounce house? Did you have, like, a petting zoo?

[EM Schultz]

Like, Barney, the dog park is a petting zoo.

[Christine]

Oh, you beautiful. Check.

[EM Schultz]

So I. We had a dreidel. Sorry, you can hear the birthday boy himself chugging.

[Christine]

He's like, let me tell you about my day. It was really extra special. I'm a man now. Actually, he's a birthday man.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, he's been acting like it. He's like, I'm the boss.

[Christine]

Mm.

[EM Schultz]

There you go. Okay, he's done drinking. Thank God. Oh, I, I. We had dreidel for to be a bark myself, which I don't even know if. I don't think they play that apartment, but I was trying to think of anything Jewish that was dog friendly. Yeah, and I also had to make my own poker, like, game chips, because usually you play with chocolate. And can you imagine if I brought chocolate to a dog park?

[Christine]

Oh, my word in heaven.

[EM Schultz]

I. We brought Pin the tail on the Hankies.

[Christine]

M kills an Burbank resident.

[EM Schultz]

It would really put, like, a not so spot on my mayoral resume.

[Christine]

Your Burbank newspaper would have a different

[EM Schultz]

headline from Brad Corb finally steps aside to let you know.

[Christine]

Brad Corb knows things have gotten bleak. Okay.

[EM Schultz]

Brad Corp wouldn't kill your dog.

[Christine]

I have. I mean, really. Like, it speaks for itself.

[EM Schultz]

No, it was, it was very fun. But this. This time around, it's RB days. It. Our. Mine is in two days, yours is in three.

[Christine]

Oh, my word. That's right. I told Liana today as we record this, that my birthday's in 10 days. And she was like freaking out. She was like, we are so behind preparations.

[EM Schultz]

I like how she's already stressed because she knows the importance of a theme.

[Christine]

I know. And I'm like, girl, you don't have to do anything. And she's like, step aside.

[EM Schultz]

Do you think she is at an age where Blaze has like told her like, quote, secret, like surprises about like, what we're doing for mommy for her birthday? Or does she not know what's going on?

[Christine]

No, she. She does. It's just a secret. We're all in on the moment. She's in on the secret. Everyone's in on the secret.

[EM Schultz]

Got it. Okay.

[Christine]

But it's still a secret. So, you know, like, I wouldn't know.

[EM Schultz]

So maybe the secret is like, we're gonna have fun, you know?

[Christine]

Yeah. Or like, you know, mommy wants to do something. Like, or, or. Or the secret would be, I bought this. Let's pick this out for mommy. But let's make sure we don't tell her. And so then she comes home and says, mommy, I'm not gonna tell you about the beautiful flowers we just bought at the store. You know, like, so it's a secret I will never know.

[EM Schultz]

Right, right, right.

[Christine]

It's just accidentally been already told to me. So she's really working on kind of semantics. And she'll get there with me as her mother. So we'll get there.

[EM Schultz]

Are you excited about your birthday? Do you know what you're gonna do yet?

[Christine]

Have I do Because I'm a huge nerd. There is a history walk on Monmouth. My. In my main. In my neighborhood, they're doing a big history self guided tour. And I'm gonna go to the self guided tour and go into all the old buildings and look for creepy little ghosts and stuff and just wander around and learn about the history of Newport, Kentucky.

[EM Schultz]

That's awesome. I did not know you were a history buff.

[Christine]

I just. I think I just have had to finally accept that about myself.

[EM Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine]

Like, that I'm just a huge fucking nerd sick brother.

[EM Schultz]

Well, then I.

[Christine]

Thanks, dad.

[EM Schultz]

Let's be trying to be the fun parent after the harsh talk we had.

[Christine]

Sick. You like history too? Not the Civil War kind.

[EM Schultz]

Okay, well, is there any. Okay, last question. I'll ask. But since you're nerdy about it and it's your birthday and it's something you want to go do, is there a building you're hoping you'll learn more about that you think has good History.

[Christine]

I hadn't thought of that until this very moment. Absolutely. So I have two answers. First of all, I'm opening my Blood orange.

[EM Schultz]

Blood orange. I love a bo.

[Christine]

Oh, it's my favorite. I love a bo. And it's my favorite. Blaze has been getting. Blaze has been getting at the store. And I. The day he bought them, I. Yeah, I turn. I'm kind of like, Leona, I know. It's shocking. Turned him. And I said, buy more.

[EM Schultz]

And he's.

[Christine]

I just bought like, four. And I was like, well, buy more.

[EM Schultz]

Well, you know what? He's. I'm sure he's used to it between you and Leona. Just everyone always wants more of whatever he's doing.

[Christine]

It was actually shocking how little he reacted. Yeah, it was kind of. I had to look inward. Yeah. I'm hoping to go into that building that you and I learned about on that ghost tour. That creepy auto printing building, which every time I drive past, I'm, like, expecting to see something in the windows up there. It's where, like, they said that ball bounced around and they made it sound horrible. Oh, it was so creepy. And that was when that Batman the full fully.

[EM Schultz]

Yes. I remember when Batman.

[Christine]

Batman walked past.

[EM Schultz]

It wasn't like a Batman. It was.

[Christine]

No, no.

[EM Schultz]

It was like, most biblically accurate Batman I've ever seen in my life.

[Christine]

He was a biblically accurate Batman. And he walked right past us as we were learning about the building that. And the place where I went to prom, which was. It's called the Syndicate. And it's an. It's called gangster. It's a gangster's dueling piano bar is what it's called.

[EM Schultz]

Incredible.

[Christine]

I mean, you can quote me on that. I don't think they have Internet, but essentially this building is just this creepy old building where a bunch of, like, mobsters back in the day died. And it's very haunted. But I had my prom there.

[EM Schultz]

That's very cool.

[Christine]

So, you know, maybe I'll get to go inside.

[EM Schultz]

Did you have an after prom?

[Christine]

I don't know, because I wasn't really cool enough for that. So instead, my date, when I went to his prom, his high school, had an after prom. And I was like, this is the coolest thing that's ever happened to me because I didn't drink in high school. So, like, I wasn't. I was totally straight edge and really, really proud and insecure about it. And so then I went to this afterburn.

[EM Schultz]

Duality is crazy. A proud and insecure.

[Christine]

I contain multitudes. What can I Say, cool and sick brother.

[EM Schultz]

Wait.

[Christine]

I love you, sick brother. Rock and roll, brother. They had Skyline Chile there, and it was in this huge gymnasium. I mean, it was this huge high school called Oak Hills that I had never even, like, heard of. And then they were like, oh, there's like, 3,000 kids that go to the school. And I was like, what?

[EM Schultz]

Crazy.

[Christine]

And so I went to the after prom there, and I was like, oh, my God, this is awesome. They had, like, snow cones, and it was just this huge gymnasium, and they had, like, all this sh. Like, carnival games, and we had games all night long. I was like, that's awesome. Because they didn't want people to drink.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. Ours was at, like, a trampoline house or something.

[Christine]

Yeah, it was at, like, a fun park or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[EM Schultz]

Which I. I feel like in hindsight, as an adult, I'd be like, of course. Let's put all of the people. All the kids with way too much energy.

[Christine]

Let's, like, totally.

[EM Schultz]

It was. It's just the adult version of, like, let's.

[Christine]

Well, they're all, like, hormonal, and they're all, like, eyeing each other. It's like, danger zone. Danger zone. Let's not bring beer into the mix, you know? I mean, this is gonna end badly. I get it.

[EM Schultz]

Agreed. Agreed.

[Christine]

What are you doing for your birthday? Are you going to an after prom?

[EM Schultz]

I'm not going to an after prom. That would be very illegal, I think.

[Christine]

And also, like, so troubling.

[EM Schultz]

I think Chris Hansen would be at that after prom. You don't.

[Christine]

Finally. You'd get his autograph.

[EM Schultz]

It'll be on, like, the judge warrants. Yeah.

[Christine]

Can I just take a picture of that for my.

[EM Schultz]

If I had a judge's warrant of Chris Hansen and I went, oh, my God, seriously? I have his autograph, and it's like, he's signing you over to prison, actually.

[Christine]

So, like. Yes. And both two things can be true. First of all is what you need to know. And you also contain multitudes, and I want you to remember that.

[EM Schultz]

Thank you. Thank you. That's not good. That'll be my defense. Be like, your honor, you don't get it. I contain multitudes.

[Christine]

I'll be your attorney. Don't worry. Things will go very well. I'm sure nothing bad will happen.

[EM Schultz]

No. So no after prom for me.

[Christine]

No after prom. Because I'm going to the building where I went to prom, and I'm going to learn the history about it, which is a super cool thing to do on your birthday. Not.

[EM Schultz]

I would like, to go back to where I went to prom. I went to a bougie school, and I. My prom was on a cruise. I know.

[Christine]

Oh, like. Like a river cruise.

[EM Schultz]

Yes.

[Christine]

We had a river cruise dance, too.

[EM Schultz]

It was very fun.

[Christine]

To a bougie school, but we didn't get to do the fun trampoline thing. I don't know why.

[EM Schultz]

It was me and one other school, not me and another art. My school. Me versus a whole.

[Christine]

What if you were homeschooled? What if you were homeschooled and this is your way.

[EM Schultz]

And I just, like, jumped onto their prominent. Me and this other.

[Christine]

My boug teacher, and we had a prom on a cruise because she had a work event. Me at another school, which was your cousin.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, man.

[Christine]

Can you guys tell it's Gemini season? I know. It's riling me up, dude. I'm, like, unstoppable. It's so annoying. My.

[EM Schultz]

Okay, so my birthday. Well, Allison. Poor Allison. Because now that Hank's in the picture, she has two Geminis to deal with.

[Christine]

I know. It's really delightful.

[EM Schultz]

I'm sure she's sweating bullets. I bet. I. I don't know what she has planned for my birthday. Next year is3.5 for me, and I'm gonna make that a milestone birthday. And so I told her this. This time around, she. We can play it cool. We could be chill, but next year, I want to go do something crazy. I don't know what we're. What. What her plan is. She. She said that she's taking me on a. On a trip at some point. I think it's next weekend. We're going on. On a little getaway, but I don't know where.

[Christine]

Bring your pillow.

[EM Schultz]

I literally. I know. I was like, so far, I'm nervous. Tell me there will be a hotel this time. And she won't tell me where we're going. So I am a little nervous about that. But.

[Christine]

Well, I'm getting nervous. I'm getting nervous, too, because I did want to add one thing, and I feel like we're going to make the listeners very nervous if we don't mention this, which is that we are also taking one of our holiday weeks next week. We have never really had holiday weeks. This is the first year we've had them and built into our schedule. I think most podcasts do have them, and we're just the weirdos who've never had one. So we were like, why not birthday week? And since you're going on a trip anyway, maybe it'll be a Good coinciding. But I don't want people to be like, did M die? And then there's no. You know what I mean?

[EM Schultz]

Like, that's excellent. Where my last words were, like, I'm a little nervous. And then all of a sudden, they're not recording.

[Christine]

And then everyone digs back and is like, oh, my God. So before that happens, just FYI, there's not an episode coming out next week. But it's not. Hopefully not, because M's dead.

[EM Schultz]

Well, you know, both things can be true and contain multitudes.

[Christine]

Contains multitudes.

[EM Schultz]

No, we thank you for reminding everybody, but yeah, so on. Oh, God. You know what week it says? The week of six, seven.

[Christine]

Oh, me. Well, no wonder we're taking time off.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, we didn't even want to be around for that.

[Christine]

Certainly too old for that.

[EM Schultz]

We will not be here, but we will have another episode out on the 14th the following week. Yeah, but, no, I don't know what I'm doing. My only request has been that we go to a Brazilian steakhouse where, like, the meat just keeps coming.

[Christine]

Right? Like, bring it on.

[EM Schultz]

That's my only request.

[Christine]

Good for you. Good for you.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, that's. That's it. I. And the next year, I mean, I already told you I want it to be a big one, but next year, hopefully, if I've finished all my states, it will. My birthday will be in Alaska. That's my plan.

[Christine]

Oh, now that would be cool.

[EM Schultz]

I'll finish it out. And I've been warning. I've been telling everybody. I'm like, if you are thinking about ever going to Alaska, and you, like, just don't have a reason, you just need to, like, pull the trigger. Just know that somebody you know will be in Alaska in June. If you need, like, a home base or if you want to share a hotel, you say.

[Christine]

Because it does sound like you're saying in Juneau. And so sorry. It's. It doesn't really. I think my brain just is mental.

[EM Schultz]

But I think you just did something, though, because now I have to spend June in Juneau.

[Christine]

It's supposed to be. I mean, come on. You can't not.

[EM Schultz]

But it's. So far, a weird assortment of people have said that they're. They're thinking about coming. Because me, like, one person from the dog park, Allison's sister. Only, like, it's like, she's like, I'm

[Christine]

leaving the child behind. And the family. Yes.

[EM Schultz]

Like, I think it would be like, a family trip, but Allison told me, like, she doesn't want to go to last.

[Christine]

Oh, you're saying her sister only not Allison.

[EM Schultz]

Correct.

[Christine]

What she know Love Alaska. I feel like. Not that I've ever been there.

[EM Schultz]

Well, she's. She's been before and she said it was her favorite place she's ever visited, so she wants to go back. And I was like, oh, well, I'll be there. And she was like, oh, that's interesting. I don't know if it'll actually happen, but. But everybody. Everybody that's been considering it at all, even for a second, I'm like, this is gonna be a weird group of people.

[Christine]

It's gonna be fun.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. Anyway, so if you, for some reason you want to catch me in Alaska, your best chances in June, 2020.

[Christine]

June and Juno.

[EM Schultz]

Okay, June and Juno. Exactly. That's the theme now. Excellent. I finally have a theme.

[Christine]

I mean, it's pretty good.

[EM Schultz]

I would say that's my B day. I, I, that's. I. You know what's so weird is because I just was doing Hank's thing and I don't, I don't know what's going on, but this year, it didn't even occur to me until like two days ago. That's my birthday. So I'm. I feel ill prepared to even like, celebrate.

[Christine]

That's what happens when you have a child. Suddenly you're like, oh, wait, I've misplaced my own self concern.

[EM Schultz]

Worst thing I did was get a dog, who I plan on giving birthday parties to. And it's the week before my birthday because. Now.

[Christine]

Are you sure? Because I feel like it's almost like you can kind of like get people. You're like, see, I throw a good party and then you can like amp

[EM Schultz]

it up and be like, you're thinking,

[Christine]

okay, now, now you want to come because you're gonna have fun.

[EM Schultz]

If you don't. If I did this for a dog, imagine what I'm doing.

[Christine]

Imagine and think about. And do you think about how much the pup cups are weighing on you that you forgot these? Dumb. I mean, they are like, you might

[EM Schultz]

have actual alcohol if you want to come.

[Christine]

So I will not. For the dogs. Please don't do this again with the chocolate and the alcohol. Be so careful. Oh, your birthday ones.

[EM Schultz]

My birthday ones? Yeah. Okay, well, I, that, that. Great, great.

[Christine]

Good job.

[EM Schultz]

You didn't ask. But I'm drinking coffee bean today, which, it's tea, but from a place that starts with coffee.

[Christine]

So I really, really, really, really, really was confused. I thought you were drinking coffee, and I was like, I'm actually leaving it's

[EM Schultz]

like getting coffee from a tea house, but it's tea from a coffee house.

[Christine]

Gotcha.

[EM Schultz]

Whatever.

[Christine]

Whatever.

[EM Schultz]

But she's really. She's really getting me going today. I took a sip and I went, wow, that's.

[Christine]

So you also poured some down your leg?

[EM Schultz]

And my leg said, yummy.

[Christine]

Lest we forget. You said, that was gonna be a good sip. Straight down the leg.

[EM Schultz]

It was gonna be a good sip. And I watched her fall all the way down.

[Christine]

Uncomfortable to watch and listen to.

[EM Schultz]

Anyway, so that's. I guess that's why I drink. I was. I was actually struggling on, like, why I drink this week, but I guess it's our birthday week. Yeah.

[Christine]

Happy birthday. Next year you'll be in Alaska. I love this. I love this energy.

[EM Schultz]

Already exc. Scared from my wallet because that's going to be an expensive B day. Oh, one last thing we have to announce is that as our network, ParaPods. Ever heard of it? We have started something that's so fun. We did not come up with this by. This was an Eva Megan Jack concoction of sorts. Was this a Jack concoction?

[Christine]

I think.

[EM Schultz]

I think he.

[Christine]

So the name was a Megan creation. Okay. But the invention was just kind of like. It just sort of came down from the heavens.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. So we've been doing a lot of trying to collaborate with the podcasts on our network and get their name out there. We've also been on their shows and it's been very, very fun to get to, like, chat with all these people, but we want to be able to put those in their own little space and have what we're calling a club of sorts. But, Christine, I want you to say the name.

[Christine]

All right. We're introducing by parapods, the brand new parasocial club. Okay. It's so good. And, like, we don't mean parasocial in, like. Oh, it's gotten way out of hand. Parasocial. We mean parasocial. Like, I want to be friends with that podcaster. So let's have them on. We're gonna do a little breakout chat. Okay. We're gonna do breakout chats between all the different podcasts. And, you know, there might be, like, true crime talk on between certain podcasters, like, if Taylor and I want to chat true crime or if M wants to chat ghosts with somebody or movies with, like, that's pretty dark or whatever. It's just fun to have, like, a new space where we can explore other topics and things and not, like, bog the feeds down themselves while also promoting

[EM Schultz]

the shows that we're super proud of that. Happy to have joined us. But also, I mean, you know, we love a play on words in para social. The Para Pods Social Club. Are you kidding me?

[Christine]

Geminis. Like, it all just really works. I mean, presented by Parapods Parasocial Club. It's. It's just really fun. And so Em and I recorded some fun little intro, like word vomiting when you hear it.

[EM Schultz]

Jack will have masterfully edited it to sound great, but I promise the rough cuts are us giggling through the whole thing.

[Christine]

Because I literally was reading my own acting notes. I was like, get creative about this. Oh, wait, that's not a line. So maybe it's in there, maybe it's not.

[EM Schultz]

Well, our first official big launch of the Parasocial Club will be on YouTube. It'll be on Thursday, June 11th. So go check it out. Out. And yeah, watch us chat on YouTube and discover a new show that maybe you don't know of yet. That that could be a new favorite to binge. You don't know.

[Christine]

Or just watch this chat, like, sometimes. I mean, I'm for sure gonna try and request a chat about Brave Little Toaster with. That's pretty dark. Because I need. I have a lot to get off my chest.

[EM Schultz]

Fair enough. That's a. I would listen to that

[Christine]

and, you know, like, some true crime I've been dying to discuss with Taylor, who's also very, like, you know, up. Up on the news when it comes to true crime. She and I text and voice memo about true crime, but it would be cool to actually put that out there as content and stuff like that.

[EM Schultz]

I think the first episode the two of you do should just be a constant feed of all of your audio chats for the public.

[Christine]

Oh, we should just play them. Yeah, that's actually a great idea.

[EM Schultz]

Just play your phone and then you don't have to say anything. You just sit there and hold your phone.

[Christine]

But then it'll be like, oops, spilled tea down my leg, like. Or whatever the hell.

[EM Schultz]

That was gonna be a good sip.

[Christine]

Oh, it's gonna be a good sip straight down the leg.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Christine]

Well, thank you for remembering that. We're very excited about. Eva was like, are you sure about Parasocial Club? And we were like, yup, it. I think it's a fun name. I love it. I know it's kind of like parasocial has a bad rap, but generally parasocial is just a word. It doesn't. It's not inherently negative. Like, I have parasocial relationships with all the podcasts. I listen to because I'm like, oh, I mean, hopefully they're not out of hand. But you know, the best part about

[EM Schultz]

having a podcast network is getting to work with all the people you do have some sort of like healthy parasocial relationship with anyway we can to know

[Christine]

each other outside of that. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, welcome to the parasocial club. It'll be starting soon on YouTube and we'll link it in the show notes.

[EM Schultz]

Well, I ask, I think every year. So I'm just gonna end on this before we get into the story, but for your B day, is there a cake flavor you're hoping for or dessert flavor? Because here's the thing. This is a few days in advance. Blazell has a chance to get you exactly what you want if he hears this come out.

[Christine]

Oh, shit, you're so right. I gotta be so careful, Alison.

[EM Schultz]

If chocolate covered strawberries aren't there, I'll simply lose my mind.

[Christine]

Oh, we don't want that. We don't want that. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, I'm feeling like a little carrot cake this year. Going back.

[EM Schultz]

I think you said that last year too.

[Christine]

I don't think I got it last year.

[EM Schultz]

Interesting.

[Christine]

And now I think Blaze is going to be like, yeah, you did dumb.

[EM Schultz]

He's going to be like, I bought

[Christine]

you six carrot cakes. You ought. No, he's. He will. He'll get me exactly what I want. He's a lovely, lovely man.

[EM Schultz]

Well, he's nice enough. He'll probably. If he. If you even think you didn't get it last year, he'll probably just make you two.

[Christine]

He'll just be like. He'll actually say, you're right, even if I wasn't right. And then be like, here are three more. And I'll be like, you're too good to me.

[EM Schultz]

It's my favorite when they just say, you're right. It's my favorite.

[Christine]

It's my least favorite. Makes me so mad.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, really?

[Christine]

Oh, yeah. I'm like, fight me.

[EM Schultz]

Oh.

[Christine]

I'm like, fucking fight me.

[EM Schultz]

Wow. I'm like, I just desperately. I just desperately want to be seen. And as soon as Allison goes, goes, you're right. I go pause earth. What are you talking about? I need to hear that.

[Christine]

See, I love that you said this because that's all I want to, is that I want to be seen. But then when someone says, you're right, I'm like, you're just placating me. And that's not seeing me. That's just what if they actually think you're right, well, I don't believe you.

[EM Schultz]

Okay, prove it. All right. Like, actually show me documentation of when your brain synapses decided this.

[Christine]

Work harder. Exactly.

[EM Schultz]

Got it. Okay.

[Christine]

Okay. Write it down. Put it on a pin board. I don't care. Show me the evidence. Show me the work. Show me your work. Don't use a calculator. You're using a calculator.

[EM Schultz]

It's, like, under my lap right now.

[Christine]

You can't. Texas Instruments, my love.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, now that is fallout Boy, that is holy.

[Christine]

You know, it's so crazy.

[EM Schultz]

Tell me.

[Christine]

I was just thinking. I signed up for a poetry class, and I was like, what if I took a songwriting class?

[EM Schultz]

I mean, so here's the situation.

[Christine]

What if I taught a songwriting class?

[EM Schultz]

I need you to lock the in right now. Tick tock. Silly town is. Has departed. We've departed.

[Christine]

Silly town jokes out of the room.

[EM Schultz]

I need you to know that you would be shockingly good, and you would. What would piss me the right. The off. Here's what would piss me off.

[Christine]

Here's what would t. You o.

[EM Schultz]

It would. It would freaking t my O t me. Oh, is that you would. You're one of those people where I think the less you tried, the better. Like, it would just naturally come. Like, if you're trying, just stop. Because you just say, like, oh, you can't. Texas instrument my soul or some. And all of a sudden, that's incredible. Like, don't even try. Like, you should be. You should do poetry where one night you try and one where you later.

[Christine]

The graph and calculator of my. To my heart. Yeah, I mean, I get it. Okay, but, like, you know what? Also, like, what is it? But I'm placating. You see what I mean? I need, like, real depth, not Texas Instruments level depth.

[EM Schultz]

Wait, I'm placating you? Are you?

[Christine]

No, I'm placating myself. I'm having a mental break.

[EM Schultz]

I hope your therapist is on speed dial, because, like, I. I'm telling you, there's. That's not placating. You're just like. Like, lucky that, like, you just have a skill. And you're like, no, no, no. Like, simply must be placating myself.

[Christine]

Earlier, I webmd some of my symptoms, and it said. And it said, kundalini awakening.

[EM Schultz]

Kundal what?

[Christine]

I started cry, laughing. It was like, maybe you're having a Kundalini awakening. And I was like, thanks, Korra.

[EM Schultz]

Did you gather information on what that means at all?

[Christine]

Absolutely. And I'm absolutely having one okay, well, you know what?

[EM Schultz]

It sounds like Korra was on. On spot.

[Christine]

I know. WebMD helped me zero. It was like, you're probably having an aneurysm. And I was like, that can't be right. But Kundalini awakening feels real.

[EM Schultz]

Sometimes Korra or even throwback Cha Cha would have been able to diagnose us immediately.

[Christine]

Do you have any idea how many times I'm like, you know, chat gbt? I want Cha Cha to tell me what's going on.

[EM Schultz]

Cha Cha, help me.

[Christine]

Do you want to know the scariest thing that ever happened on Chacha? This is a real story.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Okay, here's. Here's two real stories. The first one isn't scary. The second one is I got custom Nikes in high school. I don't know why. Nobody knows why. It was a waste of my money on the back. I didn't know what to write. And I came up with all these. You know, I was trying too hard, as you suggested, with the songwriting. Trying way too hard. So I asked Chacha what should I write? It said, jumbo shrimp. And I went in, done. Okay.

[EM Schultz]

And you know, that was a person who got paid a quarter to just piss off 100%.

[Christine]

But they just, like, they nailed it. And I was like, great.

[EM Schultz]

Can you imagine if the person who was your Cha Cha answerer that day is listening to this and found out just now that they were. They jumbo shrimped your shoes?

[Christine]

The person I want to find is this person. Actually, if we're going to find somebody from the Cha Cha, now, that would be scary. Platform user, server, server side. One day, I asked Chacha something very inane. Like, I said, I don't know, like, how many I'll find the. There's a screenshot or whatever the early version of a screenshot was back then.

[EM Schultz]

You taking a picture with your camera. 100.

[Christine]

Yeah, it was a picture of my flip phone, probably. But I said something like, how many degrees Celsius is something in Fahrenheit? Some conversion. It responded, stigmata is the. And it gave the definition with blood pouring out of the. Where Christ was nailed to the cross. And I was like, hey, that's the

[EM Schultz]

shit I would pull for sure.

[Christine]

That is the person where I'm like, who are you? And why would you do such a thing?

[EM Schultz]

If you're getting paid a quarter to come up with answers for people, you know someone, and obviously we do, because you just mentioned them. Someone is having the time of their life just giving you the wrong answer, and now you have to text Another Cha Cha person.

[Christine]

You gotta be. I gotta be honest. You. You with me time, whoever you are.

[EM Schultz]

So, honestly, actually in the comments, if you worked for Cha Cha or know someone who worked for Cha Cha, I would kill to know what responses.

[Christine]

So I applied to Cha Cha and I got to like, the final round and I. I somehow didn't make it. Like, I didn't make the cut, but I got through the first couple rounds and it was very exciting. And then the service, like, shut down, but. So that might be what happened, but I was like, really in it. I was like, I'm going to be the newest. I'm going to be the newest Cha Cha supervisor.

[EM Schultz]

How did we get here?

[Christine]

Where am I?

[EM Schultz]

What? I truly don't know. The. The path we took.

[Christine]

I'm gonna call my mom to pick me up.

[EM Schultz]

Okay. Oh, no, I remember. You're songwriting or poetry writing or something.

[Christine]

Oh, right. Literally, I'm gonna be.

[EM Schultz]

I need you to know that, like, truly, you have a gift. And you need to just close your eyes and not think and just essentially automatic write shit like this calculator shit.

[Christine]

Maybe I'm channeling somebody.

[EM Schultz]

Maybe. Maybe it's Pete Went himself. I don't know.

[Christine]

I'm just like. I'm like, tapping all his creative reserves, followed by never releases an album again.

[EM Schultz]

I. Oh. Oh, my God. I know this is the longest intro in the world, but it's our birthday. Shut the fuck up. Final question, because everyone needs to know because last time you were going to update us. How the hell did your.

[Christine]

Little.

[EM Schultz]

Hiyako. You're.

[Christine]

Oh, I. I gotta be honest. I am a walking bruise. Remember, I'm. Now. Now I'm a literal. Remember when I said I feel like a walking bruise? Well, now I'm a liter, so me. I guess, because now I'm a walking bruise. I literally from rolling around on the floor. But did you have fun?

[EM Schultz]

My prediction was you'd have fun.

[Christine]

It's so fun.

[EM Schultz]

See, I told you. Maybe like, oh, I'm nervous. And I went, you're literally gonna be good at it. Shut up.

[Christine]

I've literally gone like six times.

[EM Schultz]

See, it's.

[Christine]

It's like. It's like unwell. And the episode came out yesterday where we brought it up, so I'm super nervous because tomorrow is the women's class. And I'm like, oh, my God, are people gonna come to the women's class after I mentioned it? I don't know.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, at least I kind of have like six classes ahead of them to defend yourself.

[Christine]

I literally Think to defend myself. I was like, at least I'll be prepared to show them the ropes. You're like, at least you'll be prepared to defend yourself.

[EM Schultz]

Punch now, right?

[Christine]

You think they're gonna attack me? Our listeners are like, all right, finally, I know where she'll be, so don't mess with her.

[EM Schultz]

She's a brand new white belt, everybody. Okay.

[Christine]

She has not a belt in sight. Don't worry. She is not even a belt.

[EM Schultz]

So wait, you still. You still have to learn a white belt. I thought you just get handed a white belt.

[Christine]

I don't think you get that. I mean, I certainly did not. So it may be one does, but. But Christine does not. That's entirely possible.

[EM Schultz]

Like, you're too powerful with this.

[Christine]

Sure. Yeah. I like your perspective. There's a lot of rolling around on the floor, so I'm learning about how to, like, actually do things like a. A roll. Like roll sideways. So I'm. I mean, this is not. I'm not gonna. Please don't come and punch me, anybody. Cause I'm.

[EM Schultz]

She's almost a white person belt.

[Christine]

I'm.

[EM Schultz]

She'll get you. Look out

[Christine]

to Tickle Blaze. He was like, here, this is how you do it. And I was like. Then I would go, tickle, tickle. And it didn't work. And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, you can't just tickle me off of. Like, that's not how. And I was like, I really thought that was going to be, like, my secret weapon.

[EM Schultz]

I want you to know that. I wanted you to finish your sentence, but what. What? What? I just held in with all my might, was bursting out laughing at you, saying, tickle, tickle. I think that was. That would have. I'm tell. If I ever text somebody and they tickled me, I'd be like, you fucking win. Get away from me.

[Christine]

He was like. And then you. You put them in a triangle to choke them. And I was like, tickle, tickle. And it didn't work. And I'm really. I thought, like, surely I would see my. Like, surely he'll let go.

[EM Schultz]

I don't know how you would save the day through comedy, except I do. And it's because you would defend the entire room by going, tickle, tickle. And the guy.

[Christine]

And then I would.

[EM Schultz]

Would go, oh, my God, I have to get out of here.

[Christine]

And then I would get choked out and just lay unconscious on the fl. It would be really sad.

[EM Schultz]

I. What a. What a.

[Christine]

What a. I mean, what a.

[EM Schultz]

Listen Path we've taken.

[Christine]

Anyway, let's get back to you and your thing. It's more. More important.

[EM Schultz]

Not really. I just want to hear all of your tactics you've learned so far with Tickle. But it has to work at least

[Christine]

once, at least on someone who isn't expecting it.

[EM Schultz]

It's like, I've heard a few people in my day, especially in high school, I had some friends who like to fight, and they. One of them always said that his secret tactic was that if someone ever tried to, like, fight him, he would just get naked immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, just freak them out.

[Christine]

Yeah, totally. You're just, like. You're just, like, up their whole brain. You're like.

[EM Schultz]

It's just like catching them off guard when they least expect it. I mean, Tickle. Tickle is. Is the equivalent to me. Imagine if you're naked and you say, tickle, Tickle. That would really break me. Chris Hansen comes out with a judicial warrant.

[Christine]

I got his autograph finally. And what are you doing in this prison cell?

[EM Schultz]

How did you get in here?

[Christine]

We're both in prison, but the coolest thing happened. You'll never guess whose autograph I got today.

[EM Schultz]

I. Truly, I.

[Christine]

And also, why are you naked?

[EM Schultz]

We have to tell a story.

[Christine]

I got a white belt.

[EM Schultz]

We have to tell a story at some point. Okay.

[Christine]

I don't wanna.

[EM Schultz]

You know, since we went on that New York trip, I feel like I should have just had a microphone in my mother's face when she was talking to my aunt about Rocket Money.

[Christine]

Ah, to do the Adamine.

[EM Schultz]

She was flabbergasted.

[Christine]

I know it, because it sounds magical. I mean, it is kind of magical, but, like, it does sound, like, ridiculous. Like, oh, what do you mean? They can literally cancel things for me and also lower my subscription.

[EM Schultz]

Like.

[Christine]

Like, haggle down a bill for me. But they do that.

[EM Schultz]

They do. For those who don't know. I don't know where you are. Are you Patrick Starr because you live under a rock? Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. I mean, truly, if you don't know about subscriptions you got going on, Rocket Money does. And all you got to do is log in. It tells you.

[Christine]

And they're so gentle with you. They're not, like, going to be mean about it?

[EM Schultz]

No, I. Like, I. It's funny that you and I feel the same way about a website being mean to us, but it really does

[Christine]

mean intimidating I think millennials really need a lot of, like, tender touch these days. You know what I'm saying?

[EM Schultz]

We've unfortunately, like, humanized everything in our brains. I feel maternal towards Rocket Money.

[Christine]

I almost feel like I'm so dehumanized. I just need everything to, like, try and humanize me back to the reality. Anyway, let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. [e-mail] Drink that's RocketMoney.com Drink RocketMoney.com Drink

[EM Schultz]

Here is. Well, I found one for you because I was trying to find a. Because it's your birthday. I was like, I gotta do something that involves Christine. I know. Because I was like, I've already typed in, like, I think one year. I was like, cases with where the character's name is Christine. Right.

[Christine]

We've covered all the easy bases.

[EM Schultz]

I've done Kentucky, I've done Ohio. I like.

[Christine]

So I made up stories about. Exactly.

[EM Schultz]

And so this year I was like, I don't know, 1991. Yeah, the year of the crystal.

[Christine]

It's a good year.

[EM Schultz]

And this is apparently one of the most famous paranormal cases in Spain. I did not. I've never heard of it before, but it happened in 1991.

[Christine]

And this is next to France. Huh? You said I've never heard about it before. I said it's next to France.

[EM Schultz]

You're so stupid. Do you know that?

[Christine]

Yes.

[EM Schultz]

Okay. Okay. The. God, that was a real tickle tickle to my.

[Christine]

I did my medic. I did take my medication today. I did, I promise.

[EM Schultz]

Really threw me off there.

[Christine]

I'm sorry.

[EM Schultz]

Here we go. Spain, which is next to France. If anyone needed to know that in 1999 there was a case in Madrid and it was called the. I think I'm saying it right. B, I already up again. I would think vieikas, because it's two Ls, but the guy who I just saw on YouTube said the lakes. But V A L L E C A S case, if you would like to look into it. And the reason it's called that is because that's the city in Madrid that this happened in. And so we. The main character today, her name is Estefania.

[Christine]

Beautiful. And.

[EM Schultz]

And again, this is one of the most famous paranormal cases or parapsychological cases that's ever happened out there. So if you know it and let me know if I do it justice there. Every source seemed to have like kind of a different chronology of how things went. And I was like, oh, well, I'll go watch like a YouTube about this, but every single one is in Spanish. So I was like, oh, fuck me. So

[Christine]

he stopped at Vallejas. Yeah, that's enough Spanish for me.

[EM Schultz]

I went and that's enough. So Estefania, she's in high school at the time that. This starts in 1990, 1991. And Estefania's friend, she has a boyfriend. The boyfriend passes away in a motorcycle accident. And so what Estefania and her friends decided they're gonna do is that they would like to use a Ouija board and try to contact her boyfriend.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is the most 90s story already. Holy.

[EM Schultz]

And it starts quick. I mean, the first sentence is, someone's dead.

[Christine]

I mean, literally. I mean, wow. Okay,

[EM Schultz]

so we are now in the school's bathroom. That's where they decided to do the Ouija board session.

[Christine]

I mean, this is. This literally is 1991 in a nutshell.

[EM Schultz]

This feels like something Sabrina the Teenage Witch would do. It's like, this is what I wish

[Christine]

I had been doing in my life at that time.

[EM Schultz]

Run to the bathroom. I. I would never think to do a Ouija board in a space where, like, people are notoriously going to be in and out. And they could be like, teachers. And you're probably skipping class.

[Christine]

I mean, that's exactly where you would do it. Isn't it, though? Like, I like to imagine, like, kind

[EM Schultz]

of grunge 90s kids with, like, cigarettes doing it, though.

[Christine]

Totally, like, hiding the cigarettes in the stall. I don't know what people did. I remember I was straight edge against my will and also for my will. I. Yeah, I think, like, I've heard a few stories on Jim Harold and other places where people say they did. Like, especially in Europe. There. I've heard a couple where they hang out in the bathrooms and do, like, an Ouija board. I don't know nefarious activities, if that's like, just a weird pattern or what. But.

[EM Schultz]

Well, they were all in the bathroom together. I don't know how many people were there, but I know that her sister, according to one source, was also in there, like, guarding the door.

[Christine]

Yeah, you've got to have a door. You've got to have a door guard.

[EM Schultz]

Well, you got to have a good one. And the sister wasn't. Because the teacher walks right in.

[Christine]

Oh, my gosh.

[EM Schultz]

And which. I don't know what her name was, but in my mind it's like, Tiffany. Like what? Like, come on.

[Christine]

You're the worst guard ever. You're never allowed back. Back.

[EM Schultz]

Well, okay. Also, Only one source mentioned this, which I feel like is important. So if it's true, this is like. This makes the story so much juicier, is that this is a Catholic school and the teacher was a nun who walks in and sees all these kids doing a Ouija board session.

[Christine]

I mean, as someone who went to a Catholic school. Yeah, that is basically how it was. You would be like, sneaking very on non religious things. And a literal nun would be like, what the.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, yeah. So she walks in, she sees a bunch of children and a Ouija board. She grabs the board and the planchette away from them, which, if you've ever played Ouija, the. You know, the whole rule is like, you have to close out the circle. You have to say goodbye. But that didn't happen because the nun stole the board. And not only that, but broke the board in front of them. Like, which is. You might as well just like light it on fire in the middle of a session or something.

[Christine]

You might as well just summon the devil himself.

[EM Schultz]

I don't know if she broke the board or the planchette. I think the board would certainly be easier to break with your bare hands quickly. So I'm gonna go with board, but

[Christine]

also more of an effect.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, Crack over the knee. And so when she broke it, though, all the girls in the circle said that the board all of a sudden started emitting this thick white smoke. It started pouring out of the board and Estefania breathed a lot of it in.

[Christine]

She breathed in the ghosts.

[EM Schultz]

She breathed in some spooky stuff.

[Christine]

Oh.

[EM Schultz]

After this. This is when Estefania started experiencing some serious medical issues at home.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[EM Schultz]

Including a series of extreme seizures where she would be foaming at the mouth. I mean, it was like. It does not seem good. Estefania's family tried taking her to doctors, presumably for an epilepsy diagnosis. But doctors could not determine a solid diagnosis. I will say in 2026, a reason for why she probably didn't get diagnosed is because epilepsy can be really hard to diagnose. Although I feel like if you're getting seizures that intensely, like, they must have an idea of what's going on. But maybe not in 91. But on top of the convulsions, Estefania also started seeing dark figures following her that nobody else could see. So now she's also having hallucinations.

[Christine]

Oh, God.

[EM Schultz]

And finally, as Stefania began having. Having some outbursts where she became violent with the family. She would start, like, biting the. The siblings and barking, allegedly not remembering any of it after the fact.

[Christine]

That sounds like rabies.

[EM Schultz]

It does sound a little. Something's going on.

[Christine]

I mean, the foaming at the mouth, even.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, I. I don't. I. I've seen people have seizures, but never a foaming at the mouth situation. I don't know if that's common. I don't think it is. I don't know.

[Christine]

I have no idea.

[EM Schultz]

I have no idea. Altogether these issues that she was having only appearing after a seance where a Ouija board was broken, and then the other kids claimed that they saw her breathing in this white smoke that came from it. It all led to people thinking, estefania is clearly obviously possessed. Couldn't be a mental health situation. Whatever. Also reminder that she apparently went to a Catholic school, and this was during the 80s 90s Seatanic panic. So, I mean, it makes sense to me why a thought would be demons.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah. Well, and I look at, like, the nun, like, cracked a Ouija board, and, I mean, it's the start of a horror movie.

[EM Schultz]

I know. And, I mean, I don't know if any of that is actually true, but it is certainly a big part of the story now. But, I mean, imagine being a kid saying, I was in a. I did a Ouija board session, and the nun came in and broke it in half. You know, the story spiraled, and so, like.

[Christine]

Yeah, I mean, it's a great story. Worry.

[EM Schultz]

So. So her symptoms did not go away. In fact, they actually got worse. So not only is she having these intense seizures, she's hallucinating. She's now having insomnia. Her voice is changing sometimes, and the dark figures are getting more intense. Eventually, she would tell people that these figures were walking through the family home. They had no face, and they would tell her to come with them.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[EM Schultz]

Yuck.

[Christine]

Yuck.

[EM Schultz]

Well, one night, presumably after these figures are kind of luring her over to the other side, Estefania has a very intense, hostile moment with her sister. The one who I think was at the seance attacks her sister, I guess, knocks her sister out. And the whole time this is happening, Stefania is again, foaming at the mouth. Mouth passes out, falls into a coma.

[Christine]

Oh, my gosh.

[EM Schultz]

Is brought to the hospital, and within 24 hours, passes away.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. What?

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. And she was only 18 or 19 at that point, which also means they were dealing with these issues for, like, over a year, because now if she's 19, she's not in high school anymore.

[Christine]

Whoa. Oh, my God.

[EM Schultz]

So there was no official diagnosis on why she passed, they just kind of deemed it a suspicious death because she was physically a healthy 18 year old kid. And. But I mean, I also can see like, well, someone had a seizure so intense they fell into a fucking coma. That's a pretty good reason.

[Christine]

Yeah. I mean, it sounds like something was wrong, obviously very wrong.

[EM Schultz]

I'm no doctor, but I would throw that in the ringer as an option of what happened here. Um, and unfortunately, her death would not be the end of all the situations going on at home because the family was now experiencing some very creepy activity that Estefania had been talking about that she claimed to be able to see.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[EM Schultz]

So like your first of all, you spent the last year, maybe two years with a daughter who was sick child, at least sick, like if she wasn't possessed, she was struggling.

[Christine]

Clearly ill. Yeah.

[EM Schultz]

And then it didn't seem like, I don't know what the situation was to get medical help, but it sounds like no one was really. The hospitals didn't seem to be advocating for her to find a diagnosis or they just couldn't find one or they couldn't find one. So she's struggling in that way too, of like not knowing what her situation is. Now you're grieving that person who was your baby and now your house is also haunted.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. Big year for them. And not in a good way. The family felt something often grabbing them or sitting on them while they were sleeping. They would feel something try to drag them when they were in bed. One of the kids woke up in the middle of the night to her wrist being slammed into the wall as if someone was trying to hold her down forcefully. The family would see their doors slamming open and shut. Appliances would turn on and off by themselves. Objects would move on their own. They would hear knocking, banging noises coming from inside the walls, but they can never locate the actual source. It seemed to move on its own. Glasses would break on their own. They heard a man laughing in their rooms and they even started hearing Estefania herself screaming. Oh my God. I can't imagine the torment.

[Christine]

My God.

[EM Schultz]

One time the mother heard knocking in Estefania's old room and she went in and quote, all the belongings in the room had been scattered around. It's like everything's just getting thrown around the room. Other items that would get thrown around include the family dog. And one time even one of the other kids just getting thrown in the house. Another time, this like, impossible gust of wind flew through the front door, like, broke the. The Door's loc. And flew the door open, and it, quote, scattered their furniture everywhere. It's like a hurricane came fucking through.

[Christine]

Yeah, like your own mini tornado.

[EM Schultz]

And I think this is one source that put these two pieces together in that big windstorm or whatever the hell happened. One of the items that flew off the wall was a framed picture of Estefania. And when they looked at the picture, the face had been burned away.

[Christine]

What?

[EM Schultz]

The frame was fine, the glass was fine, the outer parts of the picture were fine, but her face was missing, just like how she said all those figures were missing faces.

[Christine]

Yuck. Yuck, Yuck.

[EM Schultz]

They also. Speaking of things that she said she had seen, they're now seeing apparitions walking through the halls, just like how she said she's seen dark figures walking around. One sister actually described these figures as, quote, glued to the floor, dragging itself towards the them.

[Christine]

H, hey. H, hey. Now that's not super good for me.

[EM Schultz]

Like, you. Like, you're scary enough just being there. You don't have to do anything big.

[Christine]

You don't need to be so dramatic about it, really.

[EM Schultz]

You don't have to show out. Like, we are already scared the dragon towards us, and we know you can move faster than that. So, like, you're just. This is for show.

[Christine]

Give me a break.

[EM Schultz]

They also started seeing what looked like an older man walking around in the house.

[Christine]

Oh, great.

[EM Schultz]

And remember, they heard a man laughing earlier in random rooms, and they would also hear an older man, his voice, speaking to nobody.

[Christine]

What was he saying?

[EM Schultz]

I think they just kind of heard, like, a voice muttering. I don't know if they really heard anything specific, but this had them wondering if the entity here, maybe Estefania, was there. But they thought another entity might be their grandfather, who allegedly hated the family. Oh, and according to one source, cursed them on his deathbed.

[Christine]

Well, that seems maybe relevant.

[EM Schultz]

If. If that happened, I would certainly put him in as a suspect.

[Christine]

Yeah, I would say he's on the list.

[EM Schultz]

He apparently said something to the family along the lines of, quote, if I can't harm you in this life, I'll do it in the next one.

[Christine]

Why even.

[EM Schultz]

First of all, why are you even at that hospital to hear him say that? If he's on his deathbed, why are you.

[Christine]

Good point.

[EM Schultz]

If a man. If he's gonna say that, don't go. I don't know.

[Christine]

That's what. You know what? That's gonna be my new jiu jitsu tactic. I'm gonna say that as I'm getting like, well, I guess I'll be getting

[EM Schultz]

choked out in between or after the

[Christine]

tickle, tickle, I'll go, tickle, tickle. If I can't hurt you in this life, I'll hurt you in the next. And then. And then I'm out. And then. You know what? They're haunted. And they. They're cursed by their own fear. I've instilled the ultimate fear.

[EM Schultz]

So I feel like in like. Like, I don't know the acronyms. WWE or whatever, like, where they all, like, while the boys dress in, like, what's. Obviously costumes and play pretend that they're fighting the one.

[Christine]

The one with the capes and stuff, right?

[EM Schultz]

Where they're like, we're manly. And I'm like, okay, this. I feel like your theme. It would be incredible if you had a themed outfit when you're fighting these your people, but you're dressed as basically a planchette. Or you wear, like, wood grain, like a Ouija board. Words. Because then your cat. Your catchphrase could be like, I'll get you in the next life, you know, because you're going to die. But, like, as a ghost, then I'll

[Christine]

spell it out on a Ouija personal.

[EM Schultz]

Your calling card would just be you spelling it for them.

[Christine]

I just roll. Hang on a sec. I'll be like, there's a space here.

[EM Schultz]

So it's just an extra pause, pause, space. And then at the. Oh, you know, it would be really good. So that's how. That's how you start them. That's your intimidation tactic. Before the fight even begins. Then the fight happens. And right when they think they're winning, the board should again. I imagine this on the Jumbotron, you have the Ouija board spelling so everyone else can see what's happening. You're slowly blacking out. And then on the Jumbotron, Ouija board spells out tickle, tickle. And then you come back and you win. You know, it's so possible. I believe in you.

[Christine]

What could go wrong? And then they're like, who is this lady in a costume? Like, she's not even a white belt. Get her out of here.

[EM Schultz]

You can do a costume change at the end and be a ghost, and

[Christine]

that will be naked.

[EM Schultz]

And then you realize you've been wrestling Chris Hansen all along.

[Christine]

He's like, I'm not. Yeah, prison, prison. Straight to prison. Em's already waiting.

[EM Schultz]

We are so funny.

[Christine]

Okay, so I feel like Gemini season is the best. Don't you guys agree?

[EM Schultz]

Wherever the stars are, I'm manic for sure. Something's happening.

[Christine]

Anyway, I'm surely activated, I can tell you that much.

[EM Schultz]

Activated is a great way to put it. Not cosmologically unwell, cosmologically activated.

[Christine]

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[EM Schultz]

It's also the hair growth supplement that makes my mother and I feel like we're 20 years ago when we're like trying to rip things away from each other's closet and we keep stealing each other's Neutrophil now, so.

[Christine]

Oh, that's cool.

[EM Schultz]

Life goes on and we're the same people. But it's not just a one size fits all approach. Neutral offers multiple formulas for men and women tailored to different life stages like postpartum or menopause lifestyle factors like that. And also like a plant based diet. So you get the support that's exactly right for you. My mom is going through her own stuff. I don't know what's going on with me, but I got some stuff going on my, myself and both of us are dealing with a little hair loss on the dome these days and I don't like it. She doesn't like it.

[Christine]

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[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

A word an hour. Why?

[EM Schultz]

Okay, sorry, I'm trying, I'm trying to learn 24 words a day.

[Christine]

Okay, what's your, what's your newest word? But then after this you're gonna have to learn. Four words. It just feels like a lot. You're.

[EM Schultz]

One of them was cyclo. And it. I, I, I, I. That sometimes feels a little like how I'm. How my brain feels it.

[Christine]

What does it mean? Can you teach me?

[EM Schultz]

I'm trying to go back into the. The thing.

[Christine]

To cyclothymic.

[EM Schultz]

Let me see. What was the definition? Oh, wait, I think they gave me the wrong definition, because this one says a rare chronic mood disorder. Never mind, never mind, never mind, never mind. Jack cut out.

[Christine]

Wait a minute. Were you diagnosing me under the table? Can you imagine? It's recording me, and it's like, oh, I've got just the thing. It's not a Kundalini awakening. It's cyclothymia.

[EM Schultz]

No, the definition. I swear to God, I have to go find it in my stupid app now. But it was. It said, like, oh, when you're, like, feeling, like, really heightened, like, like excitement and, like, jazz about. Or. Or you have, like, little lows. Oh, wait.

[Christine]

Oh, a mild chronic form of bipolar. Yeah. That's relevant to the conversation.

[EM Schultz]

Well, I do feel it sometimes. Intense sign and intensity.

[Christine]

Hey, question. Is the app actually called WebMD and you're just misreading.

[EM Schultz]

It's stupid. It's like. Like, the last one I just got is. Do you know which one of these words is a synonym of. Of enophile? No, I don't. I don't even know what aile is.

[Christine]

No. Is this another mood disorder?

[EM Schultz]

Oh, here. Here are the options. An unophile wine buff, Paranomasia or Liquid City.

[Christine]

Hold on. Let me look at the word.

[EM Schultz]

Wine.

[Christine]

No. Triloqua City. I could be wrong.

[EM Schultz]

It was wine buff.

[Christine]

You're so much smarter than me.

[EM Schultz]

So I guess you are an anophile or you've been an.

[Christine]

At least I'm a idiot is what I am.

[EM Schultz]

Any. Sorry, I didn't mean to, like, say, though, like, oh, look at me. Like, I need to make, like, light of that. I thought the. I obviously need to pay attention to my vocabulary better before I just start saying words.

[Christine]

I love word apps. Don't worry. I clearly need more of them to learn what an in a file is.

[EM Schultz]

But anyway, I've been feeling this Gemini season, I have been feeling, like, a higher high. Like a. I'm on a. A whole other level. I'm feeling good.

[Christine]

Yeah. Romanic. It's what it's called. It's okay.

[EM Schultz]

It's Romanic.

[Christine]

I said it's called manic. But, yeah, also Romantic.

[EM Schultz]

I, I, I feel like I'm microdosing mania just a little bit, but.

[Christine]

Oh, what now? Talk about Follow Boy lyrics. Micro Dosing mania. Are we ourselves right now? Come on.

[EM Schultz]

Whatever. Maybe it's just because I finally don't feel like a bruise. I think maybe I'm just, like, at a normal level of happy currently.

[Christine]

Write all of that down. That's a fall boy song.

[EM Schultz]

Dosing mania. Because I finally don't feel. Feel like a bruise.

[Christine]

Yeah, it's just really. It writes itself. You're really channeling right now.

[EM Schultz]

Apologies if any of that was offensive. I was not trying to cause a thing. I, I just need to read my vocabulary words before I start using them. Okay. Anyway, where were we? These.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[EM Schultz]

I know the. If I can't harm you in this life, I'll do it in the next.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah, yeah. My new jiu jitsu move.

[EM Schultz]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Christine]

So I'm gonna spell it out on a Ouija board.

[EM Schultz]

This. The. So this guy, he was not dressed as a planchette, per chance, but he was the grandfather who allegedly cursed them on their deathbed. And he might be the man that they keep hearing and seeing throughout the house.

[Christine]

Yep, just might.

[EM Schultz]

Just might. And there was actually, they. The family had a few mediums and psychics coming in during all of this because they're like, what do we do with this activity? And one medium came in and said, without knowing anything, that they thought the grandfather was haunting them and that Estefania was also in the home, trying to stop him from hurting the family. Family. And so what they were saying was almost like this battle between, like, Estefania protecting them and Grandpa, like, overtaking the situation.

[Christine]

There was even a battle for good and evil. Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[EM Schultz]

There was even a female evp, Like, a female voice caught on EVP that said, beware of grandfather.

[Christine]

Essentially, gasp.

[EM Schultz]

After living like this for months. For months. Like, I think, like, nearing a year. One night, the activity gets even worse. The mother of Estefania, I think her name was Conception. Never hear that name anymore. She said that she felt something in her room, told her husband, said, something's here, and then felt something grab her hands and feet. And the fact that, like, it happened after you said, something's here means, like, yeah. It's like they want to be like, oh, you got me.

[Christine]

Yeah. It's like, time to move. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[EM Schultz]

They then felt and saw a shadow staring at them from down the hall, which, like, I can't imagine. And crucifixes literally on the wall began rotating upside down.

[Christine]

No.

[EM Schultz]

Like out of a movie, something grabs you. You see something staring at you from the end of the hall, and the crucifixes between the two of you start twisting.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[EM Schultz]

One source said they didn't actually. Well, mainly in most stories that I. I read about this, they said that the family was so overwhelmed and scared about this that they called the police. One source said that they didn't call the police, but neighbors actually called, complaining about loud pounding coming from the family's walls.

[Christine]

Oh, either one is bad.

[EM Schultz]

Either is bad. But when the police got there, the family was literally waiting outside in the rain. They were like, we don't want to be there anymore. Look, there were a few officers. I think it was three or four officers who went in, and the case was being handled by Inspector Negri. N E G R I so they go in and they investigate, and they've heard the family telling them, like, we think there's a ghost. We think there's a ghost. Can you be a cop? Imagine being a cop and, like, you literally go to a house, and they're like, oh, no, nothing to see here, except, I think there's a ghost in there. Like, what would you do? I. I'd be like, I don't handle ghosts. House. What do. What am I supposed to do?

[Christine]

I'd be like, finally, an interesting day on the job, maybe.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. Or I'd be like, at least someone's not gonna, like, hurt me. Well, I don't know. Maybe.

[Christine]

Yeah. I think I would be like, oh, there's probably either someone in the house, or maybe there's, like, a carbon monoxide leak, you know?

[EM Schultz]

Right.

[Christine]

Or, like, I mean, if I knew that they were going through something so traumatic, maybe I'd be like, oh, it's grief does funny things, you know, like, if they'd lost their daughter and, you know, so. I don't know. I don't know.

[EM Schultz]

I. I agree with you. I think. I think I would also. Not to placate you, but you're right, Christine. Well, I was like. I realized. I was like, oh, I just said, you're right, basically. But I don't want to. You. I do. I totally agree that. I think my first thought would be, I think you are getting carbon monoxide poisoning.

[Christine]

Or.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. Something is dealing with a mental health issue.

[Christine]

Right. Because it's. It's like, yeah, it's just a strange occurrence.

[EM Schultz]

Even though I believe in ghosts, I would almost hope that what was happening as you were having Because I don't, I don't want the answer to be, oh, it's for sure ghosts.

[Christine]

There's a demonic civil war happening in your home. Like, that's not really where I would go straight away.

[EM Schultz]

Now the reason that this case is so popular in Spain is because that this was the first time, at least there, that a police report, a doc. An official police report, documented, documented unexplained activity.

[Christine]

Oh, okay.

[EM Schultz]

A lot of people say like, this is the first and maybe the only case in Spain where police reports say like the cause of the issue is something paranormal. That is not true. The technical situation that they wrote down was that there was phenomena.

[Christine]

That's a good word.

[EM Schultz]

But they, they never actually say what they observed was paranormal. They keep it very vague. But people have.

[Christine]

Not enough for me.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, people have twisted it into like, this is a case where like the police determined it was ghost. But these here are some events that are actually from the report and this is translated so I, I don't know how accurate all of it is, but from what we know, the, the officers all went into the bathroom, which the family said was the most haunted area of the house, and they felt a severe temperature drop that none of them had experienced before. They went through the rest of the house and felt a weird presence. Some of them said that they felt sick, which you might be right, might be carbonoxic poisoning. They heard pounding throughout the home, but nobody was there to make a noise. The one of the cupboard doors flew open and almost hit a cop in the face.

[Christine]

Oh, lol.

[EM Schultz]

They saw an odd, like, I guess he ducked in time. They saw an odd stain appear on a tablecloth before their very eyes. They saw a cross rip itself off the wall and then three scratch marks appeared where the cross was. This is a quote that their observations were recorded, stamped and filed by the inspector, who has never redacted their statements and has confirmed the validity of this report. So, okay, they're not saying this is for sure paranormal, but they have put it in a report with or without a known cause, saying this is what happens and we're not, we're not taking it back what we said.

[Christine]

Okay.

[EM Schultz]

So although the police were there and did make a report and did witness some things that they can't explain. There was nothing they could do. They're constant exists.

[Christine]

So they, yeah, that would suck if the police come out and said, yep, it is haunted. Anyway, have a good night. Like, what the fuck? What are you can do? What can you do?

[EM Schultz]

So they left and they wrote a Report. Okay. And the family very quickly moved out. Basically, they were like, well, our only way of getting help came. Yeah, we've had mediums here and they've said, something's going on, so we're gone. And when they left, they had no other paranormal experiences happen. And new families who moved into the house haven't had any activity. But some investigators have gone in, in between people living there and claim to get activity. I don't really know what that is. There's apparently a ghost hunting show in Spain that has covered this house. And I tried to watch it, but it was in. Well, first of all, it's in Spanish. Second of all, the only place that I could watch it, my computer wasn't letting me. I think I need to update something. But it was like, you can't actually watch this. It was like an error. So I don't. I don't know.

[Christine]

You need a new flash plugin. I know.

[EM Schultz]

Anyway, I like to think they're the Zach Bagans of Spain.

[Christine]

We do have to watch that at some point. That sounds delightful.

[EM Schultz]

But they said that they caught something. I don't. I didn't see it, so I can't tell you. But since this case, it's been speculated, obviously, if the family really experienced anything paranormal or if their daughter was just suffering and then they were grieving. Or maybe they were just exaggerating the story in some way.

[Christine]

Way.

[EM Schultz]

The siblings have obviously gotten older, and some of them have suggested that the situation was definitely exaggerated and their sister was not possessed.

[Christine]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[EM Schultz]

The mother, though, seems to have maintained that the story is true, but she's also had her own separate psych eval. And apparently it, quote, showed emotional instability, anxiety, and need for attention that. That makes people think that she was making up this story.

[Christine]

First of all, that feels really rude.

[EM Schultz]

Like, so rude. I was like, I feel weird saying this out loud.

[Christine]

Yeah, it feels gross. Yeah. Your daughter's dead. Sorry that she's trying, but whatever. I mean.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, I wonder. I wonder if it was just like a bad translation. And it's just.

[Christine]

I mean, it could be. And also, like, I don't know her. I really don't. So why do I. I don't know

[EM Schultz]

anything, but I would imagine too. I. I think I saw one source. So, like, the mother was also. Had had some mental health stuff or was maybe suffering and hadn't had that looked at. And so maybe it was two generations of people who were hurting and didn't know. I'm not totally sure, but it sounds like people have Reason to question. So, that being said, the police did seem to observe activity in the house that lined up with what the family. Weird to witness. So, like. Like, it. It is interesting that even if this was all, quote, made up, then how come, like, on a police report where people are not willing to redact their

[Christine]

statements, if it were exaggerated, then why would the police be part of that?

[EM Schultz]

Exactly. Like, they clearly saw something and it did line up with what others had seen. So.

[Christine]

And if they've, like, since confirmed it's not a hoax document or something.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, so it's. It's.

[Christine]

Wow.

[EM Schultz]

Eerie. And they didn't know what was. Like, you just said they didn't know what was going on, but they still had similar experiences. So maybe some of it's just true. My last bullet point is just to say, in 2017, a horror movie came out called Veronica, which is loosely based on the case, and I guess it also has a prequel called Sister Death. Yikes. Oh.

[Christine]

Oh, is that the nun? Oh, because I thought the sister, but then I thought, oh, wait, that's what you call a nun? Like, Sister.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, maybe I didn't watch them, but in case you wanted to watch movies and then have a fun fact about them, you can tell them if it's based on this case. So, yeah, anyway, that is the case of Estefania.

[Christine]

Wow, that is a startling story. I feel like that's the kind of thing that would. Would have made me avoid a Ouija board as a kid. Like, that's the kind of thing that will do it for me. That's scary.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully it. Hopefully I did it justice. I was really working off of whatever English sources I could find.

[Christine]

So, yeah, I wonder, has anybody ever thought to theorize. I mean, maybe this is a stretch, but thought to theorize about whether the board had some, like. I mean, I don't know what that would be. Asbestos or fiber. Something fiberglass in it that, like, she inhaled. And maybe it was. I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's stretch. I don't.

[EM Schultz]

You know, I mean, I'm with you. I also wonder, like, first of all, I wonder if she broke the board. Did anything even come out? Or were these teenagers that just, like, wanted to, like, end it with a spooky ending? Or maybe she broke it and, like, dust came off of it.

[Christine]

Right? Like, it was like, cardboard or who knows what it was made of, and

[EM Schultz]

they just turned it into, like. No, it was this, like, thick white smoke versus, like, dust smoke. Or it could have been, like, whatever they use to make the material of a Ouija board. It could have been toxic. I don't know.

[Christine]

Yeah, it's weird. I don't know.

[EM Schultz]

I don't even know if there's like, a part is true. It could have just been like, oh, I heard that she's used a Ouija board and. And now she's possessed. I don't know. Wow.

[Christine]

Well, I guess it's. That's how stories get told. Good job. Good job covering it, though.

[EM Schultz]

Thank you. Thank you. Well, happy birthday. I was. I was trying to find something somewhat connected to you in 1991.

[Christine]

1991 Ouija board story in the girls bathroom. I mean, I think that's of a Catholic school of a cat. I mean, Sister Death. Are we kidding? Like, come on,

[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

No. No, you're not. You know why? Because I'm also the town crier. It's the olden times, right? You're a town crier and they. You need an understudy. That's me. Okay. Hi. So anyway, I'm going to add to what Em said and say that we love ZipRecruiter, even here in the middle medieval times. We also hired Eva through ZipRecruiter. And we've talked about this so much. We did look at a lot of resumes and those were helpful. But then when it came to, like, actually narrowing it down, ZipRecruiter was like, Here are 10 people that, like, believe in ghosts that literally, like, want. Like, they filled everything we needed. And Eva was on that list. I mean, it really is magic. And now you can try it for [e-mail] Drink and ZipRecruiter has a new

[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

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[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

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[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

Yeah, me too.

[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

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[EM Schultz]

What?

[Christine]

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[EM Schultz]

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[Christine]

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There's no catch 45 upfront payment required equivalent to 15amonth. New customers on first three month plan only. Speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Additional taxes, fees and restrictions apply. CMIT Mobile for details. Hello everyone. We just had a wonderful yappy hour in in astrology mode and it's a good thing we did because we are here to talk about serial killer star signs today. Happy birthday M. We're doing astrology. We're doing some astrology today.

[EM Schultz]

You said no to crime. No crime on my birthday.

[Christine]

We're going to talk about star signs in serial killer and how they. How they. What's the word? The Venn diagram.

[EM Schultz]

I don't know how they mesh, how they.

[Christine]

We're gonna list out the stat star Sign stats. Okay.

[EM Schultz]

I'm so excited. Well, for those who don't know, there was some recording recently where we talked about. I. I don't even know how we got here. But this was a request. There was a request one of us

[Christine]

made that, like you said, why don't. I would love for you to look more into astrology as, like, a topic for the show. And I thought, well, next week's our birthday episode. I'll look in to see if anybody's done any research on this. And there have been a few. Not enough to do an episode. So I only have, like a little intro bit. However, it's fascinating and I was doing some digging. I found a couple articles that claim to have done the research. And then I found somebody on Reddit who really did the research and had the receipts. And I went, okay, no more of the memes, I guess, because ironically, it was in our astrology memes. But this person put like, all their research. So crime and investigation.co.uk which zodiac symbol has the most killers? Do you have any guesses here? Because I feel like this is the exact kind of thing that's gonna stir up opinions. And I wonder if you have any opinions before I bias you in any way on, like, if you were to. And listen. Judgment out of the room. We're just, It's. We're just playing, folks, where this is all alleged. Nobody's calling you a serial killer, but if you had to pick a star sign that was most likely in your mind, serial killer energy, which one would it be?

[EM Schultz]

Prob.

[Christine]

Murderer.

[EM Schultz]

I. The. The gag would be Gemini, wouldn't it?

[Christine]

So the gag would be. I thought you were going to say Scorpio.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, that's too easy. I mean, obviously, people. I, I already. Scorpios scare me, but they don't scare me in a serial killer way. They scare me in a. I'm. I'm uneasy and I don't know why way, and. But I feel the same way about. I've said this before. Tauruses, they freak me out.

[Christine]

Oh, me too. Me too. But they intimidate me.

[EM Schultz]

Tauruses. I. I mean, I've met people who are Scorpios, and we're fine. Like, Like I can. Actually. I think some people truly think I can't sit in a room with a fucking Scorpio. Like, I, like, really fucking hate Scorpios. No, I'm just. I can't. I don't even really want to.

[Christine]

It's a bit. I mean, it's a bit I really

[EM Schultz]

don't even want to have to like, play pretend and defend myself.

[Christine]

Scorpios are very. Scorpios are very deep. And so you're, you're making a joke with people who are very deep and you're troubling them.

[EM Schultz]

I guess so. Or maybe I've just been. It's been too long.

[Christine]

Scorpion. M. Like, think about what you're doing. You're poking at a scorpion and saying, I don't know what your problem is. Like, that's what you're doing.

[EM Schultz]

No, I, I. Scorpios freak me out.

[Christine]

And they like that.

[EM Schultz]

They want that, I guess, until I say it enough times and they go, don't be mean.

[Christine]

And I'm like, here's what I'll say. You've said I hate Scorpios. You've never said they freak me out. I think those are important distinctions. And as a Mercury and Taurus, which we famously know, I don't know what it means, but I've decided it means you got to be very clear with your words. So if you're trying to say they scare you, I think we can all agree on that. And I think they would be more pleased than anything you.

[EM Schultz]

I. Scorpios make me very nervous because I don't know what the. You're thinking.

[Christine]

They're so deep.

[EM Schultz]

I guess I don't. Not that I've ever thought, like, oh, they're not deep. I just, I don't know what it is. I, I can't put. I can't read you. And I hate.

[Christine]

That's their whole thing.

[EM Schultz]

And, and, and Tauruses, I freak me out in a different way because they're are very, very blunt a lot of times to a point where they are not worried about hurting your feelings. And I feel like I do a lot of like.

[Christine]

Do you want to know something?

[EM Schultz]

I feel like in a lot of, like, conflict, I like to almost like, be honest, but still, like, gentle parent through it. And Tauruses are like. And they just say it. And I go, oh, my God.

[Christine]

I think that's where my Missy, Mercury and Taurus communication in Taurus. That's startling.

[EM Schultz]

It is because I'm like, oh, we're not like, both trying to, like, be warm about this.

[Christine]

Like, it, like you say that. I just, I just hired a trainer to help me with some. Literally, like, how to breathe and stuff like that and like, public stuff. And she's like, helping me with. And I really like it. It's really cool, like doing some strength training and like, rehab stuff, and she's a Taurus. And of course, I found that out immediately. And then one of the first things she said to me, she says, that sounds like something for your therapist's office.

[EM Schultz]

And, yeah, like, they're like. It's. See, okay, so here's my thing.

[Christine]

And I was like, why? This is why I hate you. You scare me.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, that's ex. That's a perfect example. One of my things, and this is like a Gemini thing. This is just, like, however I operate thing is that the number one quality I look for in a person is, like, warmth.

[Christine]

That's your cancer moon.

[EM Schultz]

Okay. To me, it's just like, there's. If I'm at a party, I will walk away, have, like, feeling weird about somebody where I'm like, I don't know what it was.

[Christine]

Probably also your psychicness.

[EM Schultz]

Sure, it could be. It could be them psychic. I don't know. But anytime I meet somebody and they're Are not at least attempting warmth, I'm like, shouldn't we both. Even if it's like. Feels a little like we're doing a dance while we get to know each other, it's like, shouldn't we both be putting in effort to, like, make each other feel comfortable? But I feel like there's a lot of people who.

[Christine]

For.

[EM Schultz]

For whatever reason they have. I'm not saying it's a bad reason, but a lot of people are like, I don't owe you that yet. Like, and people are just, like, a little more cold. Or at least I read it as cold. And then I want. Really.

[Christine]

I'm, like, turned off so interesting because I used to be. Because I feel like that's a lot of also masking. And, like, if you meet someone masking at your level, it's like, okay, we're both on the same wavelength. And I feel like that's something I've also been picking up on is like, as I draw, like, stop masking so much. I almost sense discomfort sometimes in other people, and it's like, oh, I have had to just learn to, like, live with that or, like, to, like, feel that. Because sometimes I'm like, I don't. I. Like, I'm. It's too draining to be masking right now, or. You know what I mean? But, like, it's interesting you say that because it's like, oh, I. Because I. I was always on the same level. Like, I'm uncomfortable if you're. And you know what's so funny is my. Is the trainer said that, and I was like, three years ago, I would have gotten so spun out by that comment. And like, now I'm like, oh, whatever, she just said something. And, like, it's probably true. And I was probably over.

[EM Schultz]

Well, that's one of the things that freaks me out too, because, like I said, it could be for whatever reason. I'm sure people like, you have good reason to, like, not. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have thought about it as masking until you just said that. But, yeah, like, I don't put it on anybody that, like, you should be this way. But the way that I'm coming across,

[Christine]

I just hope people are totally.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, we just don't, like, it's no. Like, I don't hate them later, or I don't, like, crash out about it and think, like, I can't believe they were this way. I just think, like, oh, we operate differently.

[Christine]

I'm kind of drawn to a certain energy and vice versa. And, like, if you sense. I mean, same here. If. If I sense even a little bit that somebody's like, I don't feel like talking to you, I'm like, great, me neither. By, like, I don't want to talk to you if you don't talk to me. So, yeah, I totally understand that.

[EM Schultz]

I think the thing with Taurus is specifically is that, like, they. Anytime they have been, like, direct, they've never been wrong. Like, they, like, that's what freaks me out too. Is that, like.

[Christine]

That's so true. It's like, accountability part.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, they're direct and. And it. That alone freaks me out because I'm like, there are warmer, nicer ways to have put that where, like, you're putting people more at ease. Although, like, I shouldn't expect that. That's something people want to put on their own shoulders.

[Christine]

But. But, like, it's like, you should.

[EM Schultz]

But at the same time, what they're saying is so fucking true that I'm like, could you at least be a little kind? Because you're calling me out and kind of in a mean way.

[Christine]

Well, and you can't control your own. I mean, whether you understand it on an intellectual level, which I've had to learn as a airhead all this time. But, like, yeah, even though you understand, like, oh, I shouldn't expect. It's like, you can't control how you're NER. System reacts or how you're comfortable or how you. Exactly. So I just.

[EM Schultz]

I respect a Taurus, but I fear them because I know they're gonna say something and not be.

[Christine]

I Love that. You're totally true. It's so true that they're. That they're.

[EM Schultz]

I have.

[Christine]

They're. Right.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, I have a lot of Taurus friends, but I am scared of ever, like, being vulnerable around them because they're just. And, like, sometimes you need a friend who's just gonna call you out on your. Like, I'm not saying, like, Tauruses are bad because of this. I'm just saying you guys freak me the fuck out, because sometimes I just want, like, a gentle landing space, and a Taurus is not. Not often that.

[Christine]

Well, maybe they are if they, like, work on themselves, which I feel like Gemini often get. I'm serious. Because I feel like Gemini often get cast as, like, these, like, totally flaky, like, insincere, like, fake people. And I was like, I think maybe on a surface level, that could be somebody who, like, Donald Trump is a Gemini. We're gonna get into this today. Speaking of villains. Okay, so, like, you know, there are some very terrible aspects. Aspects, like, of Gemini as well. And we get a lot of. For it, rightfully so. But, like, also, you get. There's so much strength there, too. And if you use your powers for good or you work on yourself and you're like, oh, this is something, like, I can form and, like, you know, have fun with, rather than. I don't know. I think it depends. But you're.

[EM Schultz]

You're right.

[Christine]

I feel like Taurus can get a little intense. I don't really know many. And then I got a personal trainer, and I went, oh, my God. Odd astrology is real.

[EM Schultz]

Taurus is actually one of the only people that I confidently and accurately always guess when I meet somebody, like, it's actually scary. I'm like, are you a Taurus? And I can't do that with any other sign. I always know when I'm talking to a Taurus.

[Christine]

I said to her, are you. She said, I'm a Taurus. And I went, yeah, I can tell. And then she said, and I'm a Scorpio moon. And I went, oh, my God, I don't think so.

[EM Schultz]

And then, like, the kill bill music plays, and there's sirens everywhere.

[Christine]

I was, like, backing.

[EM Schultz]

No, I know. I just, like, went on a whole tirade. Hopefully, like, notorious. Feel totally attacked or anything. I just, like, I. We just.

[Christine]

I think it's when you said. But they're always right. That again, like, as long as Emma, you're using your words so carefully to say Scorpios don't like them because they scare me. I think now we can all come to an agreement that. Yes, that is true.

[EM Schultz]

They freak me out. I mean. And, like, I'm sure you're lovely people. I know lovely Tauruses, but I. You. Your exterior is a. A little tougher than others. And it. It frightens me because I know what you're going to say is going to humble me. And I don't really feel like being humbled. Like, that's it.

[Christine]

It's not from. Not today. And, like, that's why when I hired a personal trainer, I was like, I'm here to be humbled, and you're doing your job. And, like, it's like, you're in the perfect spot, you know? Like, I get it. I get it. I feel like, towards my mercy consultants,

[EM Schultz]

because they'd be like, this is. What the fuck's the matter? Fix it. Here, do this.

[Christine]

Oh. And she is a consultant, and she literally does. And she has a button on the wall that says, I hate it. Hate fun. And she says. And she says, I press this button when it's time to be quiet. And I said, okay.

[EM Schultz]

Wow. See, that would horrify the literal out of.

[Christine]

It was hilarious, because then I said, so, how was your weekend? And I was like. Like, I literally caught myself. I went, damn, I really can't shut up. Like, I really can't shut up. And so she was like, I hate fun. And I was like, oh, my God. She's like, yeah, someone gave this to me. And she's like, I'm not offended.

[EM Schultz]

I actually, the more we talk about this, the more that you are very Taurus and that you're like, the. Don't play, Katie. Because I. I think one of the many reasons that Geminis get accurate bad raps is that, like, we come across as fake. But I think in my mind, I really don't think of it as fake. I think I'm like, I'm desperately trying to make sure that everyone feels comfortable in this. And therefore, it feels like being placated.

[Christine]

Yes. And it's sort of like.

[EM Schultz]

And Tauruses are like, I don't have fucking time for this. Just tell me what's going on. And I'm like, I'm trying to keep you comfortable.

[Christine]

I think it's also like, no, I think Taurus is also like, you don't need to keep me comfortable. Yeah, I can keep myself.

[EM Schultz]

And that is just a. I just. We can't understand. Understand each other.

[Christine]

But now I'm, like, at a place where I'm like, I Don't need anyone else to make me comfortable, you know? But that came with many years of discomfort and learning to sit there and go, oh, this is a really uncomfortable moment. And I guess I didn't die. So. Yeah, once your nervous system realizes you're not gonna die every time something's like, uncomfortable or scary, you sort of like, I don't know, let your guard down, I guess, and things just seem less scary. It's like, oh, you can say that. And like, I don't know. And then I saw her later in the day and she was so sweet and she had her daughter there and like, Leon, I was just like. I was like, I love it. I don't know, I probably would have spun out and, like, never seen her again a few years ago because I would have been like, so insecure or whatever. And now I'm like, whatever. She just said something stupid and, like, funny.

[EM Schultz]

I feel like she either gained or lost all of our Taurus listeners through this. It was like a 10 minute tirade specifically about Taurus, but I mean, of

[Christine]

all things too, because it's funny. Like, we're literally here to talk about Geminis. And so was that the re.

[EM Schultz]

Was that the answer? That Gemini are the main serial killers.

[Christine]

So Geminis are usually cast in that role in the memes and in the kind of like, pop culture. Ted Bundy is a Gemini. Donald Trump is a Gemini. We've got a lot of Gemini. Samuel Little. There are a lot of Gemini serial killers. Like, it's not cute.

[EM Schultz]

Okay, okay, got it.

[Christine]

But this website, crimeandinvestigation.co.uk they did their own running of the the numbers and they landed on number one being Scorpio. Well, number two, Gemini.

[EM Schultz]

Maybe that's why I freaked me out, because I'm like, we're a little too similar.

[Christine]

Well, you're very similar. And they're very deep. So they're like, come with me. They're scorpions. Like, they're under rocks. Like, they like to be in the dark and they like shadow work and they like to be. And like, we don't like that. We're. We like to be up here. We like to be having fun.

[EM Schultz]

Like, I can't. Shut up. All the information is at your disposal.

[Christine]

Like, what do you mean?

[EM Schultz]

You're not matching me here and telling me everything.

[Christine]

And they're underground. You can't hurt me. Yeah, it's really interesting. I love it. I find it so interesting. So, okay. Scorpio, they said was number one. Was. And they did some roundup of serial killers. 17 was the total for Scorpio, Gemini and Sagittarius tied with 14 each.

[EM Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine]

Virgo and Libra. Very Virgo and Libra coded to tie at 13 each. Aries, Cancer, Capricorn 11, Pisces 10. Taurus 9, Leo and Aquarius 6.

[EM Schultz]

So that interesting. I. I could see why Taurus is closer to the bottom because they get all their directly out there anyway. They don't got to kill you.

[Christine]

They just say they don't exactly kill

[EM Schultz]

your spirit a little bit when they're a little too tough on love, that's all.

[Christine]

Yeah, they're straightforward. But part of that is so interesting, right, because it's like, oh, but then they're less toxic because they're not keeping all that shit in there.

[EM Schultz]

You know, they're seem to have healthier boundaries.

[Christine]

Yeah. Okay, so then from our astrology memes, and even though, by the way, Aquarius was down at the bottom with Leo, Aquarius I think, was the most often cited cult leader.

[EM Schultz]

Interesting.

[Christine]

Which fits totally because Aquarians are very like, you know, kind of like off the beaten path. Like their whole thing is, is like they're different. Right. And they see the world differently. And so that kind of did change.

[EM Schultz]

And they're a lot of fun. I would absolutely follow. I'm more likely to end up in a cult if the leader's fun.

[Christine]

Yeah. I think most people probably agree. Serial killers by zodiac sign. Now this is from our astrology memes, the subreddit, which. This is not a joke. This person is very serious about their sources. Sources. They put their sources. They even wrote a note down here at the bottom of their graphics that says note includes individual, known or confirmed serial killers, including those who are not convicted. Excludes serial killers who remain unidentified, such as the Atlanta Ripper and the Zodiac Killer, for whom birthdays are not known and who killed in pairs or groups. So they were like, I didn't around. Yeah, I love this energy.

[EM Schultz]

I should be on JSTOR.org or something. Or something. Yeah.

[Christine]

Oh, my God, you're. Oh, wow.

[EM Schultz]

Feels like an abstract. Feels like a. For a paper.

[Christine]

It does feel like an abstract. And so they made this beautiful graphic Serial killers by zodiac signs. Now this is going to turn everything topsy turvy. Not everything. The Tauruses. You're still completely at the bottom. Okay. Fewest of you are serial killers. We get it. Okay. Taurus 27. Guess who's tied with Taurus? Gemini.

[EM Schultz]

Okay, interesting.

[Christine]

Now this person was trying to put to bed a lot of the flak that gets thrown around toward the signs, including Gemini, including sag. Unfortunately, SAG maintained its spot at the top of the list and Gemini went all the way down. So I don't know.

[EM Schultz]

You know, I feel like if you're gonna write something like this, I feel like this should be a law. And everybody hear me out. This is, this is a take that I don't think is particularly hot. That I think that if you are someone who is writing about astrology in a way where you're using stats like this, or an opinion might come out that you have, like, it's a. It becomes personal in some way, I think you are obligated to tell everybody the sign of the author.

[Christine]

I'm so happy you said that. Because they gave the sign and they

[EM Schultz]

Libra, because they seem like they're really trying to find balance.

[Christine]

I love that they're actually a Sagittarius and they say said this is how, you know, I'm doing this because I want accurate information. Even though SAG is at the top of the list and I'm a Sagittarius and I didn't like that I was at the top of the serial killer.

[EM Schultz]

I like how they're like. But see how I could have channeled my energy somewhere else in a really bad way.

[Christine]

Yeah, but see how much worse this could have been.

[EM Schultz]

You're welcome for this, by the way.

[Christine]

Yeah. And so what's interesting is that, like they're spread out very evenly near the top. So we've got 20. So at the bottom we've got Gemini and taurus tied with 20. 27. Now the next highest up is Aries with 38 in the list being Aries.

[EM Schultz]

Geez.

[Christine]

Really surprising to me. The top number, by the way, is 46. So 46. We have ties between four different signs. Cancer, Pisces, Sagittarius, Scorpio. All 46 serial killers.

[EM Schultz]

Jesus.

[Christine]

In those split amongst those signs equally.

[EM Schultz]

Wow.

[Christine]

Yeah. Or 46 each. Then we've got Aquarius and Libra with 44. We've got Capricorn with 42, Virgo with 40, Leo with 39, Aries with 38, Gemini and Taurus with 27. Now, interestingly, we also have a discussion point here and I thought some of these discussions were very interesting because now, now it goes into the rabbit hole. It's like chicken egg type conversation. We're saying, is it because Capricorns just aren't getting caught? Is that why they're so low on the list? Is it because Geminis are actually.

[EM Schultz]

Well, because Geminis are charismatic and can dance around it, maybe.

[Christine]

Oh, right. Or are they just like off leading cults? Like, who knows, you know? But it's like, is it like Sagittarius? Like, they aren't good at planning and that's why they keep getting. They're at the top of the list because they're the worst serial killers, not necessarily the most. You know, like, people started these whole big conversations and it was very, very. So now this is. It's so crazy that we brought up Taurus because we weren't going to talk about Taurus. It's not Taurus season anymore. But the only comment I brought from this subreddit, which I'd forgotten until now, is somebody who commented, taurus staying all the way out of the drama, both as the killer and the victim. Because this person also created like a victim's per killer by sign. Which I'm like, I'm not even gonna go there today.

[EM Schultz]

What a shame. Because I literally almost said earlier, I'm like, I wonder if they've ever.

[Christine]

We can go into that for sure. Happy to.

[EM Schultz]

But I was curious. I was like, I wonder if this type of person is the most likely to be a serial killer. And like, we go off of like, well, people who align with each other, that would mean that they're probably more likely to be victims. Right?

[Christine]

To be victimized. Interesting. Yeah. So that Taurus comment saying, oh, saying all the way out of the drama. And then the Taurus, a Taurus responds with the flare of a Taurus sun. And Taurus at home in my bed, not getting in trouble or murdered. Painting nails emoji, way too much work. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, like that's fair. And it said, it's a good thing they don't include dictators. And I was like, yeah, okay. If they included dictators and like people who have killed more than three people on that level, like a geopolitical front. Yeah. We'd probably have like a lot of Geminis and all sorts of stuff going on. I don't know. But. So it's hard to pin this one down is what I'm trying to say. Like, it's hard to nail this down

[EM Schultz]

down to stats, but it is. I would say this is like one of the most fascinating conversations we could have. This is such a.

[Christine]

Well, then you think, oh, good. Because then you think, what if their Mars are like an all in one sign? We just don't even realize. You know what I mean? Like, what if we layered all the signs on top of each Other. And we were like, whoa, there's a sextile. Oh, my God.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. Unfortunately, once you start bringing things into it, other than like, someone's big three. You lost me. And then I feel like I'm the least, least educated person to have the conversation with. But, like, but if we're just doing fun sleepover, like, oh, my God. Well, he's so like, such a Gemini. I can totally. I could vibe with that. But I would love to have, like. Have you heard of these, like, lectures and libations meetings?

[Christine]

No, no.

[EM Schultz]

Where it's like, people are now hosting, like, essentially PowerPoint presentations at bars. And so, like, you can go on a day where, like, the topic is interesting to you. This would be a great one if like, like someone in, like, the psychic world who, like, knew enough about or medium world or something, Tarot world, someone who knew about all this astrology stuff. I would love to see a discussion between a bunch of them talking about, like, based on the intricacies of your houses and planets.

[Christine]

Hey, listen, what's our new chat called? Our. I keep wanting to call it Antisocial Parasocial Club. Parasocial Club. Like, that would be a great topic. I wonder if we can. Because I know that.

[EM Schultz]

Get a bunch of psychics on or whatever.

[Christine]

I just mean, like, even within our group, like, I know Jerry does a lot of. She's very actively psychic and it, like, works on that regularly. And then we've got kin does tarot and. And astrology. So, like, we definitely have. We could definitely do breakout chats. It's sort of like breakout chats. We're going to have fun with that. Yeah. So that. That's like the main discussion now. I also pulled up, like, because then I thought, well, okay, if we're going with past serial killers just to bad people, which, like, this is going down a slippery slope. And it's also like, where's the line? Where's the line? But. And also, how do you even, like, categorize any of this? But this link came up of 100 most infamous Geminis. And I was like, ooh, now we're talking. You know, like, infamous. This is the most ass list. I don't know who invented this. Who's voting? Okay, we've got number one coming in hot. Number one. Charles ii.

[EM Schultz]

What? No. What? He belongs maybe on the list at all, but, like, not number one, the list at all.

[Christine]

At like, page 400.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, like, I.

[Christine]

Please be. Don't be ridiculous.

[EM Schultz]

I don't know. I mean, like, Angelina Jolie should be up There more.

[Christine]

She has my birthday. Thank you. Okay, so I think you know what you're talking about. And you.

[EM Schultz]

Chris Evans. Captain America. Fucking.

[Christine]

Are we joking?

[EM Schultz]

Technically, Captain America's birthday is July 4, but no Chris Evans.

[Christine]

Now Chris Evans.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, he's certainly. I think people would argue they care more about him than now.

[Christine]

Tell me about Chris Hansen. When's his. When's that? When Zafella's birthday?

[EM Schultz]

I don't know, actually, but I feel he's giving, like, Capricorn vibes.

[Christine]

I do feel he's giving to me, like, Virgo vibes.

[EM Schultz]

Something. Something where he's, like, all about the book. Oh, September 13th.

[Christine]

Is that Virgo?

[EM Schultz]

I think that's Virgo.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[EM Schultz]

If it's not, he's on the cusp.

[Christine]

No, that's Virgo. Yeah, for sure. Because. Yeah. Abby Wambach. What the. How do we say her name? Abby Wambach Wombach is next. Number two.

[EM Schultz]

Okay, I disagree.

[Christine]

Also, Charles, the second Abby won back and then Donald Trump.

[EM Schultz]

I think someone just Googled people who are Geminis and then highlighted the entire article and put it in a chart and said, here's some of them.

[Christine]

Charles ii, Abby Wambach, and Donald Trump. Like, what are you doing?

[EM Schultz]

I'd love to see all of them in a room together.

[Christine]

I mean. Yeah, I guess so. I would hate it. I would really hate it.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, here are two other people that should be on the list before them. Us.

[Christine]

Yeah. Really?

[EM Schultz]

It's like, not that hard. Like, do your research.

[Christine]

Do your own research. Um, Insanity. I love, I love when people say, like, do your own research, and then feel like you are the research. I googled it, and you were the research. That's why I'm here.

[EM Schultz]

I, I remember when I, I, I've. The amount of times that I had when I was doing the QAnon research, every single fucking article somewhere, and it said, do your own research.

[Christine]

And I was like, yeah, it's like you're an article J store. What do you want? Yeah, so we do have the victims here. Victims per killer by sign. Okay, okay, okay. So we have the same abstract at the bottom that, like, this includes the same serial killer. So the serial killers that we have mentioned in the above category, these are their victims. Oh, that sounds like a fucking SVU intro. I didn't mean for two.

[EM Schultz]

Where are the 500 Japanese men jumping?

[Christine]

That's a true thing. Look it up. Do your own research, okay? Please.

[EM Schultz]

I'm so fucking tired of doing the research for you.

[Christine]

Okay, so this I am unclear of how this really works, but it looks like victims per killer by sign. Okay, we've got Capricorn with the most at 19.

[EM Schultz]

They're the most likely to be a victim based on.

[Christine]

They're the most, yes.

[EM Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine]

Lowest was Virgo at 7.

[EM Schultz]

Lowest is Virgo a 7. That's interesting.

[Christine]

Capricorn's 19.

[EM Schultz]

Interesting. That's interesting because in my mind, I would think, well, Capricorns are like, so studious and always prepared. And so I'd be like, oh, they're definitely not going to.

[Christine]

Well, that's also like Virgo. So they're at the bottom. That's true. But then Capricorn are also known to be very.

[EM Schultz]

They're smarty pants.

[Christine]

They're smart, but you got street smarts.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, damn. Damn. Spoken like a true Taurus something. Wow.

[Christine]

Then we've got Aquarius, which hurts my heart a little bit because I know Aquarians are. Can be kind of like out in their own world and kind of like detached from reality. We've got Scorpio next with 12 instances. Aries with 11 and Libra with 11. Pisces 10, Cancer, Leo 9, Sag 8. Taurus 8, Gem 8, Virgo 7.

[EM Schultz]

Shocking. I really, I mean, I did not expect to be so low, but also. So I guess we're so high on. As you said, we're so high on the killing list. So there's none of us to kill for all the killer, I guess.

[Christine]

No, we're the lowest. We're Gemini. We're the lowest on the list.

[EM Schultz]

I wonder if again, that's because we're. We can.

[Christine]

Are we though We're.

[EM Schultz]

Socialize her way out of that.

[Christine]

So yappers. Like, what you mean like we're not killers or like we're good at getting away with it? Because I don't think we're good at getting away with it.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, I guess we're not that good. I mean, especially if we're yappers. That sounds like exactly at some point

[Christine]

point you're gonna, you know. And it's interesting to see here at the bottom that, like, the fire signs are lower on the killer list than. Than some of the air and water signs. The water signs are higher up. I guess they're deeply feeling.

[EM Schultz]

Well, you mean like. So the fire signs are the ones less likely to get killed?

[Christine]

No, sorry. I'm back to the serial killer graphic where Gemini and Taurus and Aries and Leo are all like, near the bottom. And then up top you've got like Cancer sees Scorpio. You Know like more watery, but they're more likely.

[EM Schultz]

Sorry. To be the killer or the victim.

[Christine]

The killer.

[EM Schultz]

Interesting. Well, I would imagine like if you're a fire sign, you've got like a fiery personality. Maybe like you're more hot headed or more like temper.

[Christine]

Maybe that's like more violent rather than serial killer. You know, like maybe we are dividing into like because of course killers, okay. That crosses a whole nother threshold. Serial killer, you can at least put like a capital on like how many names you have because.

[EM Schultz]

Right.

[Christine]

News reports.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, because then also you could divvy this up into. Which would be fascinating in its own way. And this is like obviously this is just like a fun conversation. We're not saying like if you're a fire sign, you're like more likely to be an abuser or something.

[Christine]

No, no, for sure.

[EM Schultz]

Someone's gonna read it that way. So just disclaimer.

[Christine]

I have apparently a Mars in Leo. Okay. So whatever. I'm apparently I'm very aggressive. So whatever.

[EM Schultz]

It would be interesting saying if we're for the sake of conversation, what numbers look like and like based on each crime, like who's more likely to be a robber, who's more likely to be an arsonist, who's more likely to be someone who you know, does like petty crime.

[Christine]

Like, and I think that's also so complicated because it's like, well, your sun sign is one thing and then it's like, oh, but like maybe you are more. If you believe in astrology, which I do. Maybe you are more, you know, like I have a rising and moon. Maybe sometimes you're more in like that zone. Right. And sometimes you're more in your like sun. I don't know. I think it's so hard that you could ever even pin that down to like someone's sun sign. Which like also is such a limiting.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. So it's interesting that the methodology they used was just going off of that one sign sign because I wonder if

[Christine]

you would even have everybody else's rising or moon.

[EM Schultz]

You know, like the numbers must be the act. The information could drastically holy be totally different. It could all not even be about that one sign. It could be about like your who's what your Mercury is in. Like it could be anything. It could be.

[Christine]

I mean Mars is aggression and sex. Sex and aggression. So I feel like that's a big one, I would imagine.

[EM Schultz]

Interesting.

[Christine]

I imagine your moon because that's like your shadow side. That's like your dark side. Your intuition, your deep wounds is what your moon Is So I bet that would have a big play. Very sensitive.

[EM Schultz]

Someone who is not me. I feel like it would be a really interesting midnight project to go through and do everything. Everyone's like, full chart and then really see the overlap at every level.

[Christine]

And then. Well, the problem, too, is that you would need, like, birth times, and I don't think you would have that exactly. So many.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, that's why I say someone who's not me. Maybe, like, everyone's. All the serial killers in general, maybe.

[Christine]

I mean, a lot of them are Gemini. There are a lot of Gemini villain energy out there, which, like, again, I spent a long time being, like, kind of resentful about that, and now I'm like, oh, no. It's just, like, a matter of, like, what you're showcasing to the world, what you're using for good versus evil.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. I've never taken that personally. I could totally see why the stereotypes of Gemini could be bad reps. Like, that's so easy to see.

[Christine]

So I think the problem for me was I always. I felt so much more aligned with other parts of me that I was always, like, very, like, what? No, like, Geminis aren't like that. And it's like, oh, no, they are. I'm. I'm just, like, not a sis. Like, I'm, like, seeing it. I don't know.

[EM Schultz]

Anytime anyone's ever said that they have a problem with Geminis, I have never. I've always gone. I totally, totally understand.

[Christine]

I get it.

[EM Schultz]

We sound like nightmares.

[Christine]

I get it too.

[EM Schultz]

But. But a fun nightmare. You know, it's like when you kind of want to keep looking back at.

[Christine]

At least we have a good time.

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[EM Schultz]

What did they say? Where does Aries fall in both categories?

[Christine]

So Aries was. You know, it's interesting, Gemini and Taurus in the serial killer list were at 27 at the bottom. And then it jumps up to 38 with Aries. So they're second or third to last or. Yeah, third from the bottom. But they also also have like a big jump up from Gemini, Taurus. So interesting.

[EM Schultz]

My mom's an Aries and also Aries also. They scare me. But I think that's just because my mom.

[Christine]

Well, yeah, yeah, and 38, 39 Aries. Leo. Like, yeah. So that's next.

[EM Schultz]

Was there anything that you were surprised by reading this outside of Geminis?

[Christine]

Yeah, like that the fact that like Pisces and Cancer. Cancer are the highest number. When typically people joke like, oh, Gemini serial killer season. I don't know because Ted Bundy and a lot of the famous ones are Gemini. So I was really shocked by this that we were at the bottom of this list that includes, I don't know if you add up all the numbers,

[EM Schultz]

how many and sorry, Pisces in Cancer. That's most Likely to be a serial killer. That doesn't really surprise me, though, because aren't they both known to be, like, really, really emotional?

[Christine]

Yes.

[EM Schultz]

So I would just imagine, well, they just like, third snap or something faster. I don't know, like, what the thought would be.

[Christine]

Like, all three water signs are in the top are in first place.

[EM Schultz]

That is weird, because they are supposed to, like, go with the flow more, right? Isn't that the other thing about them?

[Christine]

It's interesting. I feel like they. I mean, I guess cancer makes sense, right? Because the point of. Of cancer, the crab is like, oh, you have a hard ext exterior, and then you have, like, a soft underbelly. Like, you're, like, so sensitive inside, but you don't necessarily portray that. So I guess that's an interesting way to look at it as, like, maybe you have, like, armor.

[EM Schultz]

I don't know.

[Christine]

You're armored. But yeah, Cancer's PI. Sorry, Cancer, Pisces, and Scorpio, all with 46. But then tied with Sagittarius, which also has 46. And then, like, Sag, you're all the way up there with 46, and Gemini's down there with 27. Like, that does not track to me. I'm like, I'm shocked by that.

[EM Schultz]

It is so, so fun to just play speculating, though.

[Christine]

Like, I mean, it's all. This is all made up, guys. I'm telling you. I promise. But, like, it's fascinating, like, because again, we don't know anything by someone's just their sun sign. But, like, it is an interesting pattern.

[EM Schultz]

It's certainly a cool study to be like, oh, yeah, Fun fact, as you know, a lot of people happen to be like this. I wonder why. Or like, I know it's. And it could even be. I mean, I'm absolutely just bullshitting off the dome here. But it could be environmental. Like, if you're born in June, that's because you. You know, you're.

[Christine]

Well, I was going to say, what if we added head injuries or the. The tri. The homicidal triad, right? Like, what if we added that into the mix? That could completely change everything. Like, who had a head injury, frontal lobe injury.

[EM Schultz]

Or you could even do, like. Like, how many of them. What are. Maybe it's that they're all Geminis, but what are all their relationships with their parents? Or, like, oh, God, what are their relationships with their siblings?

[Christine]

Or all their moms were Aries. Oh, we're both screwed.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, it could even be like. Because, like, it could be like a butterfly effecting. Like because they're ge. They learned at school this way and like, it's just like a ripple effect. They ended up turning out this way because they were Geminis and that affected their behavior in some way. Like.

[Christine]

Right.

[EM Schultz]

That would be also super interesting.

[Christine]

Exactly. So it's like far too simplistic, of course, to look at it just as the bare facts or to mean much more than like just a fun talking point. But it is also. You're right. Like you could go down so many rabbit holes. You could do. Yeah. Why? Right. Because I mean, if you read. Did you read that book? Oh my God, whatever that Malcolm Gladwell thing we all had to read where it was like, maybe it was blink. It was the one with 10,000 hours or whatever.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, 10,000. It was like his fourth book or something.

[Christine]

It was one of them. And he like talks about like, oh, well, I think it was him who talks about like, oh, the hockey teams in Canada. It's like it ended up being more important when. What month you were born in because if you were older, you are automatically or at least typically bigger. And so you're more likely to make it on the hockey team earlier at. In elementary school, like in. Whenever they start in like second grade. And then, you know, and then by the time you're at like a professional level, it's people are like, why are all of them born in September or whatever? The month was like October and it's like, oh, it just happens to be the cut off for the right correlation

[EM Schultz]

is not causation or something.

[Christine]

Exactly. That's beautifully put. Yes. Science has already given us the terminology. Thank you. That's really.

[EM Schultz]

It's always like, well, more. It's like when there are more serial. I'm butchering it. But one of the examples that like I always learned in my psych classes was like, more people get murdered. When more people get murdered, they're like ice cream sales go up. And it was like, let's just. Because both things are happening in the summer when people are outside and it's

[Christine]

like, it's like more people.

[EM Schultz]

There could be a totally different third factor you're not paying attention attention to.

[Christine]

And there probably is.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, there probably. I would. I would bet some money there is.

[Christine]

Yeah. So cool. I know. It's so interesting. And like even just to get to know people based on like little things and connect with them on. And even when people don't necessarily believe in astrology, I think it's interesting that like people will still know things about themselves. Like they'll say, oh, like, I think my moon is this. You know, like, it's still interesting on some human level, I think, to have, like, those kind of categories.

[EM Schultz]

I did hear someone once say that Geminis are really interested in astrology purely because since we're yappers, it gives us a small. It gives us a talking point for people.

[Christine]

Oh, interesting.

[EM Schultz]

So it's almost like, like, the stereotype could be, oh, Geminis love astrology. It's like, no, we just love to have, like, a conversation piece in our back pocket if we need it.

[Christine]

Yeah, it's like.

[EM Schultz]

It's like, things like that. So I. This. I'm eating this up.

[Christine]

Yeah, it's like one more hobby or interesting that we can, like, flip over to and, like, it's just learn a little bit about.

[EM Schultz]

If I go to a party and I don't know people, I can at the very least be like, oh, here's. This is what our signs are like. It's just something nice to have.

[Christine]

You know what's interesting is my. My trainer, she was like, well, do you do. Do you know your human design? And I was like, okay, now this

[EM Schultz]

is a new thing to fall in love with.

[Christine]

Yeah, do you know your human design?

[EM Schultz]

No, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Christine]

Oh, really? Well, it was all the rage when I was in Egypt. Everybody, we had people on the bus who were, like, kind of experts on it, and I was just, like, learning. Look up human design. I am a projector.

[EM Schultz]

What is my human design?

[Christine]

And it gets really wild, like, in depth. If you need another, like, fixation.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, there's 17 questions to this.

[Christine]

Oh, well, you're so supposed to just put in your birth date and time.

[EM Schultz]

Okay. Okay.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[EM Schultz]

Get your human design chart. Oh, here we go.

[Christine]

Yeah, I'm curious because I am a projector, which I don't necessarily know what that means yet. I'm learning.

[EM Schultz]

Well, look it up while I'm doing this. Okay, well, because I want to. I want to see if we. What our vibes are.

[Christine]

Okay, here's mine. Let's see. And then there are different, like, aspects to it. So you have. So my energy type is projector. This is how your energy function, functions. You're. I have. I best make decisions. Emotional intuition.

[EM Schultz]

Okay.

[Christine]

My profile type is the easy breezy genius.

[EM Schultz]

Damn. Okay, that's nice.

[Christine]

How do I add?

[EM Schultz]

Okay, I just got mine. Mine is manifesting generator.

[Christine]

Okay. Yes, I think that's. Yes, I know that one.

[EM Schultz]

My strategy is to respond. My inner authority is a Emotional. I don't really know what I'm looking at here. My. My d. My digestion is closed. Oh, my God.

[Christine]

Oh, no.

[EM Schultz]

I. I have. My motivation is fear.

[Christine]

Oh, God.

[EM Schultz]

My environment is mountains. Now that one I can confirm.

[Christine]

I love that for you.

[EM Schultz]

I. I don't know. Perspective is wanting. I don't know if I'm. Any of this makes sense to you, but anyway, apparently it doesn't to me. Generator.

[Christine]

I bet by next week I'll be fascinated. And like, you know, it's interesting. I just pulled up the app and I guess I had downloaded before because I have blazes in here.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, really?

[Christine]

Putting. I don't remember putting this in, but he's a generator with sacral authority and his profile type is the great life experimenter.

[EM Schultz]

Well, that's very intense. It's intense. I just looked up human design manifestor and projector related relationship thrives on a push pull dynamic where the manifestor initiates and the projector guides.

[Christine]

Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

[EM Schultz]

The manifestor brings energy to create, while the projector offers wisdom to streamline it. I mean, that's literally how this podcast started.

[Christine]

So that's kind of exactly right. Yeah, that's. And that's what my trainer said too. She's like, oh, projectors take like the energy and like, almost guide it. Or like, help shine. Shine it on other. Help shine light on other people to help them understand their own. It's. It's reflective a little bit, I think.

[EM Schultz]

So that's saying. Interesting.

[Christine]

Yeah, I'm, I'm intrigued by this because, because, you know why I'm. Because I am, but I just find it really interesting. And then she said that and I went, okay, see you Tuesday. And I'll be back with like. And she's gonna hit I hate fun. I'm gonna be like, but I have so much to say.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, you should, you should. There's no way to, like, build your own button. I guess you could just draw one, but you should just tape it next to hers and it says, I don't care.

[Christine]

I like, I'm a Gemini.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Oh, my God. Yeah. And then she's like, oh, God. She was like, you'll like Marianne or whatever. Like, because sometimes there's two people in the studio at the same time. She's like, you'll like Marianne. She's all into astrology. And I was like, okay, Marianne.

[EM Schultz]

Marianne and I are going to talk about you, by the way.

[Christine]

We're going to bitch about you anyway.

[EM Schultz]

Well, very cool.

[Christine]

It's very fun. I Wonder if I can, like, add people to this. See, like, this is when I get unhinged. This is the most Gemini and projector behavior to add everybody into my app and, like, then look at their charts and be like, here's how you all get along. Like, I don't know.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, I would do that. Why not?

[Christine]

You would do that, too?

[EM Schultz]

Of course.

[Christine]

It's so fun. I don't know. Half the shit is happening on this app. I feel very confused by its existence.

[EM Schultz]

It's just a new look, language to learn.

[Christine]

I know, right? And it has, like, this fancy chart. Of course. Oh, I need a subscription. Well.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, good, good, good.

[Christine]

In that case. Interesting. Yeah. And especially, like, I've been doing Reiki training.

[EM Schultz]

Yes.

[Christine]

It's great. But it's, like, fascinating because I think I really didn't know if it was real, and it's real.

[EM Schultz]

Really?

[Christine]

Yeah.

[EM Schultz]

How so? What, like, what was the moment for you?

[Christine]

It's almost like I knew it was real, but I didn't, like, know it was real. Do you know what I mean?

[EM Schultz]

Sure. When did you know? When were you, like, oh, this is different.

[Christine]

I laid down. She's like, I'm tune you. And I was like, oh, the Virgin Mary's here. That's cool, huh? And then my grandma showed up. I mean, it was, like, really crazy. And then I had this flashback memory of choosing, losing my life. It was like, I mean, I'm not kidding. I've spent. I mean, this is crazy. And then I got home and I went, so blaze. I'm having sort of like a. I like, a existential crisis, you know, about everything. Because I just sort of had my world kind of flipped upside down and I was attuned, or I guess it depends on the word you use. Raise you. Raise you, I think. And it's like you can, like, feel it. Like, I was doing, like I was doing. I had this stomach ache and I was like, oh, my God. I can, like, feel energy.

[EM Schultz]

It's like, essentially like you feel like a. Like if your stomach hurt, does that mean like, a. Like a stomach chakra isn't aligned or something?

[Christine]

No, I just, like, had a tummy ache. So I was like, oh, I'll try to, like, lay my hands on and just, like, intend to do Reiki. And it was like, oh, I can, like, feel, like, my hands tingling and, like, weird, you know, I put it on my head and at one point I was doing this, and I, like, put my hands on my face and I just, like, tears were, like, pouring down and I was like, I do not know what's happening. Like, I don't feel sad. I'm just having, like, huge emotions. It's trippy, dude.

[EM Schultz]

And so. And it feels different than just, like, mind over matter. Like, just, like, weird.

[Christine]

Yes. It's.

[EM Schultz]

Who's teaching you? Sorry, I'm asking too many questions.

[Christine]

No, no, no. Thank you for asking her name. Maria.

[EM Schultz]

Maria. You got a lot of trainers left and right and all this, and you're breathing and you're em.

[Christine]

I don't know what is happening. It's like I turn. Well, I haven't talked about this on the podcast. Happy birthday to us. I'm gonna just completely derail now.

[EM Schultz]

And, I mean, I. I. I think we're. Yes. Go for it.

[Christine]

Okay. I'm gonna say an announcement, which I wasn't even sure if I would ever come up on the podcast. And now I'm gonna say it. And now I have to find my right app to make sure I get the statistics correct. Hold on, please. One moment.

[EM Schultz]

I'm. I'm ready.

[Christine]

Are you sat.

[EM Schultz]

I'm literally. I'm on.

[Christine]

Do you remember when. Hey, I watch a lot of snark channels. Do you remember when Michaela Naguera was like, you're gonna want to sit down for this. When she announced her own divorce? And everyone was like, are you about

[EM Schultz]

to announce your own divorce?

[Christine]

Can you imagine? No.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, my God.

[Christine]

Remember when I accidentally almost make people think I'm divorced, like, every five minutes because, like, I never wear a wedding ring, and neither does Blaze, and I'm like, I don't know. Know. I just don't.

[EM Schultz]

I never notice, actually. You don't wear a wedding ring. I never noticed in my.

[Christine]

Well, I do usually, but, like, I'll take it off for a shower, and then I'll, like, forget, and it's, like, kind of small on me, and then I, like, don't want to wear it, and then people are like, why aren't you wearing a wedding? I mean, it's mostly like, my mother, and I'm like, I don't know. I just.

[EM Schultz]

Like, we have a baby in a house.

[Christine]

Literally.

[EM Schultz]

Animals.

[Christine]

I just kissed him on the mouth. What more do you want as proof of my love? Okay. And anyway, well, apparently, I lost the app, which. You know what? I guess that is enough to say what I'm trying to say, which is that I actually have quit drinking alcohol.

[EM Schultz]

Really?

[Christine]

Surprise. Yeah. Yes. And today. Well, that's what I'm trying to find.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, okay.

[Christine]

Is my app that tells me. Oh, here it is days since 82 days.

[EM Schultz]

Holy shit. What are you going to do for a day? Day 100. You gotta do something.

[Christine]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I never thought I'd make it this far.

[EM Schultz]

Is it. Is it just to see if you can, or is this like a. Like a. Like, what's that?

[Christine]

I'm out. I'm out.

[EM Schultz]

Wow.

[Christine]

It happened very suddenly. It was not planned. It sounds like I'm pregnant. I'm not. It sounds like I'm divorced. I'm not.

[EM Schultz]

You just decided one day, like, oh, I'm just over it, or what? Or do you know you don't have to talk about it. You don't have to if you don't want to.

[Christine]

It's so weird that we're talking about this, because it was the night of the eclipse.

[EM Schultz]

Okay. I mean, cool. Sorry. Sorry. It's just like. I don't know why I even look like that. Where are we going? Is what I'm thinking.

[Christine]

And I thought to myself, I can tell there is something I need to let go of, and I cannot figure out what it was. I was having, like, weird dreams, and I was like, something's up. And I'm sitting there drinking wine, right? And I'm like, well, this certainly. This is not it, but something. Something must go. And so I was getting so frustrated that at one point I was, like, really trying to, like, let go and surrender and just be like, okay, take the wheel, God, whatever. And I'm sitting there and I was like, okay, it's the eclipse, so tonight I'll do a little ritual. And I said to the universe, to the world, I give up. You take over. I can't figure out what you want me to do, what you want me let go of handing the reins to you. Figure it out. That night, I woke up with what I thought was the flu. It was alcohol withdrawals. I was vomiting, I had a fever. I was sick for, like, two or three days. And it finally occurred to me.

[EM Schultz]

How much did you drink the night before?

[Christine]

I mean, the same amount I had always drank, which was far too much. And it was like. I don't know what happened. It was almost like I got, like, pushed into this. And maybe I did have, like, a type of flu. But then, because.

[EM Schultz]

Because.

[Christine]

Or if. Because I wasn't drinking, I had a reaction, you know? But I had these, like, nightmares of my maternal line and my paternal line, like, all the way back, drinking alcohol. It was bizarre. Like, my stepmom. I mean, just like all these things happening at once, like these weird flashbacks and I was having literal fever dreams and like sweating through all the sheets. I mean, it's disgusting. I went through like full on withdrawals. And then at the end of like two days when I was like, finally like waking up from us, I was like, okay, I get it. Like, wow. It was like I just woke up. I was like, fine. And it was so weird because I had already had in place like this very Aquarius of me, like, very mentally had already planned behind the scenes of my brain, like all the sort of things I was going to. Like I knew the Creator on TikTok. I was going to DM real quick to be like, hey, I remember, like you put posting about quitting drinking and like, I just want to touch, you know, just like little things where I was like, oh, I can go back to her content and see, like, remind myself of like the tips that she had posted, you know. And I like texted Blaze and said, just get rid of all the alcohol, no questions asked, you know, And I don't know, it just suddenly happened very aggressively. And I guess whether it was just a coincidence or not, I said like, I give up. I can't figure it out out. And the. I said, just take the wheel. And it did. And it spent my life into quite a spiral. In a good way, bad way, all the ways. I think it's like the. I pulled the tower card like three days in a row during that and I was like, oh, like, everything's just falling apart.

[EM Schultz]

Oh my God.

[Christine]

Like a good way. How do you feel? Well, my Crohn's went crazy. I got like, really sick. It was like my hormones were, were out of. Because I'd been drinking so much for so long that it just got to a point where I was like, you were like, normal. Yeah. Like, my body was like, what's happening? Like, you've put us into shock. And it was, it was just very bizarre. And like, I always knew that one day I would stop drinking. I just didn't know when. And I was like, I'm not gonna do it till I'm ready. And like, I knew no one else could tell me to do it. So it was sort of like I had to make a call. And I remember thinking, I have to like, now or never. Basically, like, it's it. I just have to do it. And yeah, it was. I initially said, I'll just try it out, but I think like, pretty immediately was like, okay, I know that I had to do that. I have been Reliant on thc, especially for sleep. So, you know, I'm not, like, stone cold sober, and I still have. You know, I still have a good time at weddings and stuff. But, like, the drinking, man, I think it was just. And I'm getting old, you know, I was just starting to. And I don't want anyone to feel discouraged because, like, when I would hear people talk about, like, quitting drinking, it, like, really triggered me, like, when I was drinking a lot. And so.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, really?

[Christine]

Yeah, because it was like, I should. I know I should be doing that, but, like, oh, you know, you kind of, like, get this.

[EM Schultz]

Like, I had no idea. Wow.

[Christine]

There's something validating about other people drinking, right? Because it's like, okay, especially people you follow. Like, if you're drinking and you don't feel necessarily. At least for me, I didn't necessarily feel comfortable with my drinking, but I was, like, comforted by watching other people drink and being like, it's normal, like, to be a mom who drink, you know, and there were all these things where I would, like, just normalize it in my own head to kind of avoid looking at it closer. And then. So I don't want anyone to feel like that because it. I. At least for me, I was like, it's only gonna happen when I'm ready. And I guess I was ready. I didn't think I was ready, but my body was like, we're just done. Wow, that's crazy. And ever since then, I mean, I started watercoloring. I do qigong. That was the week I started. Like, I started all these things to be, like.

[EM Schultz]

To distract yourself or.

[Christine]

Yeah, a little bit, or just. It was almost like I. Like, this fog kind of lifted, and I was like, oh, I'm finding dopamine elsewhere. Like, I think I had just dulled so much of my own self that, like, I didn't realize what was fun anymore. And it. It was like, relearning. Like, I didn't have an appetite. I still don't have an appetite. And, like, I can only eat, like, crackers. Like, it's so weird. It's like everything has been topsy turvy weird. And I haven't really talked about on the podcast just because it's like, well, it's personal. Yeah, well, it's personal. And we talk and we usually record during the day and, like, early day anyway, so it's like, sure. You know, it just didn't seem like. It didn't. It didn't come up, but. And I also wanted to, like, Know that it was official before I, like, said anything, you know, I was gonna say.

[EM Schultz]

Does this make you feel nervous? Like, this is gonna.

[Christine]

No.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, do you tell me.

[Christine]

No, I'm bringing. No, I'm bringing it to the table as an open subject.

[EM Schultz]

Do you miss it at all?

[Christine]

What? That's a great question. At first, like, horribly. And it was sort of like there was a lot of grief because it was like, oh, I just don't get to be that person that, like, walks up to Jerry's Jughouse, like, our local bar, and grab a beer, you know? Like, it's just like they're little things that, like, not that I ever really did that.

[EM Schultz]

That.

[Christine]

But there, you tell yourself these stories, or you have these, like, ideas in your head of like, oh, one day I'll go to, like, Spain and drink real Spanish wine. And it's like, you know, part of me is like, you can still do that. Like, nobody's making you not do that, you know?

[EM Schultz]

Right.

[Christine]

You can still do that, and it's not the end of the world. But also, we'll get there when we get there, like, one day at a time, you know?

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Christine]

And it's been a big learning curve.

[EM Schultz]

I mean, I could also see it, like, it's certainly a grief. I mean, you're losing. Losing your. Your current. Or was your current identity. I mean, you have to, like, re. Learn what's fun or what's fun about you or what you like doing outside of that.

[Christine]

It's amazing. I don't like going to bars anymore. Isn't that shocking, really? That's, like, the least shocking thing ever, that people don't like going to bars when they quit. Obviously, like, you must be so bored at a bar.

[EM Schultz]

M. I. I'm used to people wanting to go, so I just go, yeah, but I. I mean, I'm not. I'm not having the fun. Fun they're having. No.

[Christine]

Yeah. It's sort of like you really have to get to a point where you're like, am I having fun? No, it was a. More of a. It became way more of a. And, you know, I had to kind of, like, come clean to blaze. Like, I was like, I'm. I was drinking more than I intended to. I realized there was, like, so much shame around it. Also, when I quit drinking, I didn't realize how much space it took up in my brain, like, actual active thinking, because it would be like, oh, well, when can I drive? And, like, I'd be calculating hours and, like, oh, what time would that End. And then I'll come home and have a beer. Like, it just was, like, constantly in the back of my head. And, you know, some people can have a healthy relationship with alcohol. I think I'm just not that person. Or maybe I, you know, maybe I thought I was. Maybe I can. And I just. I'm choosing not to any try anymore. But it was taking up a lot of brain space, and a lot of it was like. Like, one of the earliest things that really convinced me, like, oh, this is the best possible thing, is that Leon and I were during bedtime one night, and she fell and, like, just scraped her knee or hit her head or something. Like, minor, right?

[EM Schultz]

Like, just. Oop, you fell.

[Christine]

It just like a bonk. Yeah. And like, the, like, the immediate shame and fear that took over. And then I went, what is that? And then I went, oh, my God. Normally I'd be drinking and I would have thought to myself, shit, was I not paying attention? Was I, like, you know, too buzzed to, like, be looking? And it's like, no, I was completely, completely sober. She fell, she scraped her knee, and I was like, wow. So I'm carrying, like, so much weird, personalized like, internalized shit. And then she got up and played, and I was like, I would have been sitting here like, oh, my God. Like, I might. It's almost like I just peeled off this, like, very toxic layer of my life that was fun and had its time, but now. Now is, like, just doing more harm than good.

[EM Schultz]

Wow. Well, I mean, you do realize how many people you've probably just helped by talking about it.

[Christine]

I mean, I. I want to at least be open about it, because it's horrible.

[EM Schultz]

I think you're about to accidentally get an influx of messages.

[Christine]

It's so hard. It's so hard. And, like, I've. I've not been, like, super vocal about it. Like, I post. I've been posting more on Instagram. I'm really trying to, like, get a feel. A feel for. This is, like, kind of corny, but, like, a feel for myself back. And I think that's why, like, all these random, like, jiu jitsu and things. I did not plan any of this, and I didn't. It all happened so fast. It was almost like I pulled one, like, Jenga piece and everything kind of, like, collapsed, but, like, rebuilt very quickly. It was like I pulled that piece out, and suddenly I'm, like, seeing a trainer for, like, diaphragmatic breathing, which is, like, completely changing my anxiety levels, and I'm, like, going to jiu jitsu with Blaze and Leona every other day, just for fun. Because he said, why not? Like, I don't know. A lot of things have just opened up that I think I needed to let that go. And I got to a point where I knew I needed to let go, but I was holding on so tight that I was like. I basically told the universe, like, do it. You have to do it for me. And it felt like it got pride out of me. I'll tell you what, it felt like it got pride out of me. But, like, now that it's gone, I'm like, okay, I feel better. So if you're out there and you're struggling, me too. And also a lot of us, too. And also, don't feel ashamed if you need, like. I mean, I'm not a doctor, but, you know, I've used THC regularly to help at least get through this period. And, you know, eventually, that might be something I hopefully look closer at as well. But at this point, it's sort of like, let me get through this chapter of it. And. Yeah, so don't feel, you know, ashamed, but, you know. Yeah. Feel free to DM me if you. If you want to. And again, I don't want anyone to feel, like, discouraged or whatever. I don't know. It's like. It's also hard because it's like nine years of my literal, like, job identity, too, you know?

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. So what you're saying is your team milkshake now.

[Christine]

Sure. That's crazy. I'll be. How about I. We finally have a pothead on the show. How about that? I'll become the.

[EM Schultz]

And that's why we don't drink.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[EM Schultz]

That's why we smoke.

[Christine]

Yeah. And I just. I don't know, there's just something very. That has naturally, very much, like, opened up in. In, like, the. In my interest, like, in finding joy other places, you know, and having kind of more openness and feeling more in my body. So, yeah, anyway, I. I felt like that was either going to come up sometime or not. And I. I said, you know, what? If it comes up, it comes up, and we.

[EM Schultz]

It's your journey. Yeah.

[Christine]

Hey, let's talk about astrology. And here I go.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, my gosh.

[Christine]

Probably derailing. But anyway, so that's. That's my update. I post more about it on Instagram because I'm just trying to keep that more my, you know, personal life. But I don't know, I feel like I'm kind of coming out from under

[EM Schultz]

a rock, you know, not A rock bruise.

[Christine]

I mean, huge bruise. That is also part of why I'm a walking bruise. Because it is so much easier to just numb yourself out, dude. It is so much easier.

[EM Schultz]

I believe it. And I don't think I would have ever been able to climb out of that, which is why I avoided it. I, I, I know I would not. I, I, the struggle would be very tough. So that's, that's, I am, I'm very proud of you. And also self. Especially this, this works out really well for me because now you and I could literally finally go drink together. Because you, you, we would have mocktails together.

[Christine]

It's.

[EM Schultz]

I can finally give someone my recipe.

[Christine]

It's shocking because I'm like, I've never understood your plight,

[EM Schultz]

everything you just said. No, no. My plight. No, no, no, no, no.

[Christine]

But it's true. Like, I'm like, omg. But I will say I waited long enough that there are some very good non alcoholic beers. I never thought I would be a non alcoholic beer beer person, but there's something at like that certain time when it's like kind of hot out and I'm like, I'm thirsty and I want a beer and it's like, it. I think my br. Our brains are just dumb. They're dumb animal brains. Right? So, like, you really can. Oh, and there's an app called Reframe that that I will also recommend highly. It's not an ad, but Reframe app has, like, completely helped me look at the science of drinking. And I think that was what really, really. I knew whenever. I knew, whenever the day came that I quit drinking, that I would need to look at the evidence to really convince myself, like, oh. Because I knew it was there, but I was like, I'm not gonna look at it.

[EM Schultz]

No, no. The mirror is the hardest part to look at.

[Christine]

Yeah, exactly. It was the mirror. It was a mirror and the universe was like, here's a giant mirror. A fun house one.

[EM Schultz]

Well, I mean, truly, next time you need a fun little drink and you an FLD and you don't know what to do. I literally, literally have 30 now as of this week. 34 years of experience of all the fun things I could pass along this week.

[Christine]

I'm so proud of you and I'm proud of us.

[EM Schultz]

The Raslums are going to be incredible.

[Christine]

The Raslums? Yeah. I've gotten into some, some match. Remember when I was drinking Matcha, and I'm like, I don't know. This is all new to me. Like, I'm Literally, I feel like. I feel like I'm kind of a kid again. Like, I'm, like, experiencing things literally.

[EM Schultz]

Like, I. It's the only. It's the only way I can. Can relate to this personally. But, like, the amount of mixing of juices you're about to do is going to blow your mind.

[Christine]

Listen, I can't wait. And I think Leona's, like, on board for the ride.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. You and Leona can do, like, Kitty drinking together.

[Christine]

Yeah, we like tea parties galore. Yeah.

[EM Schultz]

When. Well, summer's right around the corner and Trader Joe's. Do you have a Trader Joe's near you?

[Christine]

I do.

[EM Schultz]

I'll send you some stuff because there's.

[Christine]

I would love that.

[EM Schultz]

There's one that. It's my favorite drink, but it's, like, seasonal stuff that only Trader Joe sells.

[Christine]

So when it happens, I love that we'll have to.

[EM Schultz]

It's a big make it together on the show.

[Christine]

Yes, that would be fun. Oh, we do a.

[EM Schultz]

We could do, like. And that's why we drink and actually do, like, mocktail recommendations back and forth. And finally I can tell you.

[Christine]

I know, I know.

[EM Schultz]

Finally you can suggest drinks to me, and I can tell you as the expert here, you're not going to want to have that. That one.

[Christine]

Tell me how to do it. Tell me how to live.

[EM Schultz]

Sorry, that's not. That's not what I mean by it.

[Christine]

But tell me how to live.

[EM Schultz]

Finally, we can relate a. A little differently. Right?

[Christine]

At least I'm getting it, though, because, like, I'm under. I'm like, oh, it is fun to just go try something and take a class and learn something. Like, I don't know. I just feel like I've gotten a renewed appreciation. But also, like, a lot of things have been, like, upheaval, you know? Like, it's almost like also, I cut that out and it's like, oh, now everything's different in my family. Not everything's different, but, like, I relate to life differently. I relate to family dinner differently. I relate to birthdays and events.

[EM Schultz]

Well, your whole life is. You have to. You have. You're rewriting how you operate under every circumstance.

[Christine]

Right. It feels like I've just been, like, kind of reassembled, and so it's very kind of maddening, but also exciting. So I've been posting a lot, but sometimes I'm like. Like, am I, like. I'll, like, post something where I'm like, this is hilarious, and it's so me. And then I'll share it and, like, fear I was like, I'm like, what does this even mean? Like, what am I doing? I don't know. I feel like I'm just kind of, like, experimenting with things. So it's kind of fun. Yeah, it's like, fun. And. And. And I had resigned myself. I told myself I. There. There is no way in hell I'm gonna ever quit drinking. I was like, there's no way. It's just, like, not possible. And I remember thinking there was a point in my life, it was so dark. I'm sorry, but this is probably one the. Of my Taurus trainer was like, you got to say that in therapy. Please, not here.

[EM Schultz]

I like how this is therapy.

[Christine]

I mean, whatever this is. Okay, it's our birthday. No, I think. I think the thing that really struck me afterward was like, I remember being in the kitchen, being like, well, this is a generational pattern that, like, Leon is going to have to break, not me. Like, I can't do it. And I was like, I don't think you're alone.

[EM Schultz]

And having taught something like that, it's.

[Christine]

It's really scary. And like, it's. It's one of those things where, like, afterwards, word. It's like, oh, I just, like, want to hug myself. At the time, I was like, oh, my God. I was, like, beating myself up and being so cruel. And I think, like, just be gentle with yourself. Even if you are feeling like you're doing everything wrong. It's. It's hard. It's so hard to be a human. Okay.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine]

It's. It's hard to not rely on, especially

[EM Schultz]

when the system is against you. Totally.

[Christine]

And they want you to be drinking and doing, you know, they want. It's like. I mean, they, you know, but, like, it's just easier to numb out, right? Like, it is, absolutely.

[EM Schultz]

Especially when, like, it's so glamorized that this is the way to cope and this is the way to be social. And if you don't do. I mean, there's a. There's a very big reason. There's many reasons, but one of the reasons why a lot of people don't quit is because they're like, well, then what else is there? And which. It feels dark, but, I mean, that's

[Christine]

what I always thought. I was like, what's the point even?

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. It's like, this is how I operate in this situation. This situation. This situation. And it's a big action task to take someone's plaything away and completely reinvent themselves.

[Christine]

Totally. And it's like, it's like, for why, for what? And, like, that was always my thing. And so when it, like, kind of happened, I was like, I need to know for why, for what. And I feel like that app, especially was so helpful because every day would be like, well, it knows your dopamine's low, so it's, like, ready to, like, hit you wherever or help you wherever you need, like, to, like, deal with that. But then it also is so helpful because it'll be like, hey, it's been five days. And this means, like, the inflammation is down by this much or, like, you know, so it's very, like, cerebral, which I appreciate, and kind of like, shows you the literal physical evidence of, like, hey, your sleep is better. Your. You know, my aura ring is like, wow, what's happening? And I'm like, shut up.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, shut up.

[Christine]

I know. You know, and it's. But it took a long time, and sometimes you just gotta wait it out for your nervous system to be ready. But, like, damn.

[EM Schultz]

No, that's a journey. Your journey. I mean, I'm just. I'm sure people are super happy that you're talking about it.

[Christine]

I. I hope so. And, like, if you're out there and you're like, I couldn't do that. Well, I couldn't either.

[EM Schultz]

So.

[Christine]

I don't know, man. I mean, if I can do it, you can do it. Believe it me or not. Believe it or not.

[EM Schultz]

No pressure. It's. Somebody has probably taken everything you just said as, like, a sign or.

[Christine]

You know what's so funny is the day I quit drinking, I was like, I want signs. Every fucking five seconds, I would open my thing, and it was like, how to stop? And I was like, fine.

[EM Schultz]

It's like, I need a different sign. I need a different sign.

[Christine]

It's like, that's not specific enough. And it's like, here's a sign from your guardian angel that you should stop drinking. I'm like, it still doesn't quite do it for me. It's like, that's not direct enough specific, but. Yeah.

[EM Schultz]

Well, when is your hundredth day, then?

[Christine]

I have no idea.

[EM Schultz]

Well, it was almost like, what, 82.

[Christine]

82. I was so, like, counting every minute for a while, while. And then it.

[EM Schultz]

That's gonna be a good sign of growth that, like, now you're not looking at them.

[Christine]

Yeah, I couldn't even find the Find the app at first, which was kind of shocking, but. Yeah. So I guess I have 18 more days, and then it'll be a hundred.

[EM Schultz]

How are you gonna celebrate?

[Christine]

Go Drinking, get wasted. Yeah. Oh, geez. Yeah. You know, maybe. No, you never know.

[EM Schultz]

Juice box.

[Christine]

Juice boxes. Get high on life, you know, get high on the marijuana. Marijuana. I don't know. There's.

[EM Schultz]

We'll go do something. I mean, there's a look. Because the world is ass. Even if you, like, you're like, I'm in such a good place. I don't really feel like I need to celebrate that. Asides, like, anytime that this world gives you a reason to, like, just be whimsical, like, I love it, just take it.

[Christine]

I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna plan my hundred. I've gotten myself a lot of treats because it's just been very healing to be like. But then. Then it's also like, oh, I lost my yoga mat years ago, and I was too embarrassed to, like, go get it back from the yoga studio. So, like, I'll go to yoga this week. And after two weeks, I bought myself a new yoga mat. You know, like, I've been very. So. It's. If it sounds so corny because it's like, I didn't do any of it on purpose. Really, I didn't. It sounds like I did. But I also want to say, like, if you feel, like, so stuck, literally, ask the universe, be prepared to get thrown on your ass. But, like, they'll. It'll pick you back up.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah. No, the world adapts with you.

[Christine]

So, yeah, it'll kick your ass, but it'll help you up. But. So, yeah, if you ever need.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Feel free to reach out on. On Instagram or. That's usually. I mean, I still have a hard time finding. Re. Responding.

[EM Schultz]

Reach out and maybe you'll get a response.

[Christine]

You never know. Maybe one day when I'm feeling whimsical, so.

[EM Schultz]

Well, I. I. Speaking for anybody, we're all very proud of you. I know that's not what you're.

[Christine]

You dare.

[EM Schultz]

I feel like I'm placating you.

[Christine]

No, you're not placating me. No, no, I. No, I believe you. I don't. I don't feel that way. I. I mean, when people are placating me, then I'm like, don't play me. But I know you're not placing me, but.

[EM Schultz]

No, we're all very proud of you. I. It's. That's a long. That's a long time. That's a long time.

[Christine]

Thank you. I'm shocked by the number. It really is, like, shocking that I'm approaching 100, but it does get easier. I will say, like, almost immediately. Within a couple days, it was like the grip of it was gone. Or not gone, but at least, like, within. Way lower.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine]

So in the moment, it feels like there's no possible way. Like, your body is like, we actually don't know how to live without this. And you're like. So it. It's like a real thing. You're. And by the way, your brain is tricking you. If you're. It's telling you things. I used to Google. Is my brain tricking you? And it was like, yes, your brain is literally tricking you because you get dopamine from this. And it's like, do it again. Nothing else will do. Nothing else will do.

[EM Schultz]

Of course. Well, especially the confirmation bias of. Well, last time, it made me feel a lot better. Better, so.

[Christine]

And why don't we just do that again? Yeah. And it's, like, easy, and, you know, so don't beat yourself up. It's hard. If I can do it, you can do it.

[EM Schultz]

Very proud of you.

[Christine]

Thank you.

[EM Schultz]

And also, I know it's, like, gotten kind of lost in the sauce at this point, but well done on the discussion about horoscopes as well.

[Christine]

I know, right? I'm like, this. I swear to God, this was not even. And by the way, folks, for next week, because I was like, I think I'm just gonna do the astrology today because we already have a long episode. But I do actually, actually have a topic for next week on two criminals called the Gemini twins. Okay, so we can get to that. Next week's off, but the week after, we'll probably be leaving Gemini season. It'll be the perfect time for me to force more Gemini talk into the ether.

[EM Schultz]

Well, the plot twist is that we're the Gemini twins, and we haven't actually committed the crime yet, so we have to go do that before you can report on it.

[Christine]

We better do it soon before.

[EM Schultz]

Well, I've got some time on our birthdays, so.

[Christine]

Excellent.

[EM Schultz]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Okay. You guys have to be our alibis.

[EM Schultz]

Well, I'm proud of you, Christine, and happy birthday. Next time I talk to you, you'll be 35.

[Christine]

So. Elderly, half of 70.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, wow. Okay. Hey, Sorry.

[Christine]

Sorry to ruin everyone's day.

[EM Schultz]

Wow. I want to die.

[Christine]

I almost said that earlier when you talked about Alaska, and I was like, zip it. Zip it. I hate fun. I hate fun. And now I just. It burst out. I'm sorry.

[EM Schultz]

Oh, well, I. Anyone? If you want to come to Alaska, you have a year to plan it. See you in June and Juno.

[Christine]

And that's why we don't don't

[EM Schultz]

drink.

[Christine]

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[Christine]

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