Listener Stories: Vol. 112 featuring. Aliza Kelly

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Listener Stories: Vol. 112 feat. Aliza Kelly"

And That's Why We Drink – Feb 1, 2026
Hosts: Christine Schiefer, Em Schulz
Guest: Aliza Kelly (Spiritual Empowerment Expert, Astrologer)

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Episode Overview

This special Listener Stories episode is a blend of chilling personal tales—both paranormal and true crime—with a heavy dose of astrological insight courtesy of guest Aliza Kelly. The hosts, Christine and Em, bring their signature humor, banter, and curiosity, exploring their own birth charts, listener-submitted stories tied to their birthdays, and probing questions about the intersection of astrology and eerie real-world events.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Introduction of Guest Aliza Kelly ([02:26]–[03:58])

• Christine introduces Aliza with a rundown of her many accolades in astrology and spirituality.
• Aliza jokes, "It's always so embarrassing when someone says [your accolades] in front of you." ([03:40])
• Christine: "You deserve the accolades because that's a lot of time put in. So. Congratulations." ([03:46])
• Aliza: "I'm a Capricorn Rising, so. Yeah, it never stops." ([03:58])
• Astro banter: The hosts admit to being astrology dabblers with recurring jokes about Gemini and Scorpio dynamics.

2. Listener Stories Tied to Hosts’ Birthdays ([06:44]–[14:29])

A. Haunted House and Gemini Daughter ([07:03]–[11:16])

• Story from "Yorgina" involving haunted happenings in a house after giving birth to a daughter on Christine’s birthday (June 4th).
• Creepy details: baby stares at stairs, says there are "eyes on the stairs", talks to "friends under the floor" (described as hot), mentions "the other mommy" and a "man in the bedroom".
• Gemini commentary:
  • Aliza: "The more she's able to talk, the creepier things got. That is a tale as old as Gemini. And that's not even exclusively paranormal." ([08:41])
  • Christine & Em riff on Gemini’s talkative, “double trouble” energy paralleling the story’s twins and “the other mommy”.

B. Astrological Connections to Paranormal Sensitivity ([11:19]–[14:03])

• Em asks if certain zodiac signs are more spiritually attuned.
• Aliza: "Every sign can be connected...it’s less about the zodiac sign itself, and more about chart configuration—levels of open-mindedness, identifying experiences as supernatural." ([12:04])
• Memorable: "Every sign is witching. Every sign just has a different way of being able to tap into that." ([12:44])
• Aliza personally relates: “I have a very spooky chart...astrologers of yore would have considered a hard, difficult, challenging chart.” ([13:07])
• Empowerment theme: “Making sure that people recognize the opportunities in their chart, even when they're more challenging ones.” ([14:03])

3. True Crime Listener Story for Em’s Birthday ([17:14]–[27:39])

Story: How Well Do You Really Know Your Neighbors? (Guelph, Canada, 2014)

• Listener "Tay" recounts neighbor Stefan Dietrich’s murder of his wife, Mimi, in a chilling, underreported Canadian crime.
• Key points: Mimi disappears; months later Stefan is arrested—her body is found buried in the yard. He had forged documents, misled family, and had an ongoing affair.
• Gritty humor in response, e.g.:
  • Em: "His writing really threw me off. I have a family. Yes, I'm happy. No. What sign is that? Because that's the worst sign." ([22:43])
  • Aliza: On Stefan searching “where can I buy chloroform?” on Ask.com: "If he's going on ask.com...say less." ([24:19])
• Discussion follows about event charts and whether major events shift astrological energies ([28:00]–[31:03]).

4. Astrology of Events vs. Births ([28:31]–[33:11])

• Aliza explains that significant historical events, like births, have their own charts. An event’s energies and a person’s birth chart of the same day share cosmic "weather" but outcomes differ.
  • Aliza: “Events also have birth charts… mystically, that energy is the same. Right. It's just manifesting differently.” ([28:31]–[29:15])
• She shares personal resonance: "I was born August 18, 1989, which happened to be the Menendez murders, at that exact same day."
• Notable: 2026 is a landmark year in astrology, "Saturn and Neptune connecting for the first time in 36 years...last time was 1989, corresponding with the fall of the Berlin Wall." ([31:06])

5. Special Listener Story: The Brownie and the Heimlich ([33:11]–[41:12])

• Amy’s story: At 9, Amy saved her brother with the Heimlich maneuver just after earning her Girl Scouts badge; 24 years later her own son did the same.
• Humorous but touching banter about badges, Girl Scouts, and trying (or not) to be handy in a crisis.
• Aliza speculates: “This feels very Aries to me...I will take the bear attack if I get the badges.” ([34:13])
• Amy’s story is validated with a newspaper clipping—prompting more joking, “I learned how to make rice balls in Girl Scouts. Not, not this.” ([38:17])
• Broader theme: skills, preparedness, and generational heroism.

6. Astrological Hot Seat: Sun, Moon, and Rising Deep Dive ([44:08]–[55:21])

A. The Hosts’ Charts, Explained

• Aliza gives a detailed breakdown of Christine and Em’s big three signs, reframing common misconceptions.
  • Sun: identity, ego, external traits.
  • Moon: internal state, emotional variability.
  • Rising: your lens on the world, not a “mask,” but the “why” behind you.
  • Virgo Rising in Em: “How we distinguish sun, moon, and rising...the world through your eyes.” ([50:01])
  • Insight: “Your commentary is also really, at its core, your mission is to help other people find the confidence to talk too...to communicate their truth.” ([55:21])
• Em: “Maybe I can see it now...I feel like I needed the reframe of what a rising sign was, I think, to understand that.” ([54:11]–[54:18])

B. Christine’s Chart: Double Aquarius ([55:34]–[57:36])

• Christine: Gemini Sun, Aquarius Moon and Rising.
• Aliza: “Let’s be real here. Like, nothing matters.” ([56:36])
• Christine laughs: "That's my favorite line... Usually I broke something and we'll always just say, nothing matters. It's fine. Nothing matters." ([56:44])
• Aliza: "For you, being lunar is actually a very important part of your identity...your feelings about things are an important part of who you are." ([57:38])

7. Chart Compatibility and Cosmic Connections ([59:08]–[61:54])

• Christine and Em are “twins” astrologically: born one year and one day apart, with the same Sun degree in Gemini.
• Aliza: "Every Gemini's pursuit is to find its twin. That is the mission of every Gemini." ([60:42])
• Aliza’s own signs revealed: Leo Sun, Pisces Moon—demonstrating the diversity in astrological types, even among astrologers.

8. Auspicious 2026 Astrological Forecast ([62:33]–[63:41])

• Christine is entering a “Jupiter return”—a once-every-12-years “lucky abundant” period, highlighting partnership opportunities.
  • Notable: Last Jupiter return (2014) was the year Christine met her husband.
  • Aliza: “So there’s gonna be another important partnership coming through this year.” ([63:20])
  • Em’s Jupiter Return comes in 2027.

9. Aliza’s Plug and Episode Wrap ([64:00]–[65:02])

• Aliza directs listeners to her podcast, Horoscope Weekly, for weekly astrological guidance.
• Classic group signoff, blending podcast and astrological humor.

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Selected Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• Aliza (on Gemini energy): "The more she's able to talk, the creepier things got. That is a tale as old as Gemini." ([08:41])
• Aliza (on astrological openness): "Every sign is witching. Every sign just has a different way of being able to tap into that." ([12:44])
• Em (on true crime story): "His writing really threw me off. I have a family. Yes, I'm happy. No. What sign is that? Because that's the worst sign." ([22:43])
• Aliza (on event astrology): “Events also have birth charts… mystically, that energy is the same. Right. It's just manifesting differently.” ([28:31])
• Christine (on existentialism): "Let's everybody be serious and remember that nothing matters. Yes, exactly." ([56:51])
• Aliza (about hosts' cosmic connection): "Every Gemini's pursuit is to find its twin. That is the mission of every Gemini." ([60:42])
• Aliza (forecast for Christine): “There’s gonna be another important partnership coming through this year.” ([63:20])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:40] – Aliza's intro and humor about accolades
• [07:03] – Gemini-themed haunted house listener story
• [17:14] – Canadian true crime story, tied to Em’s birthday
• [28:31] – Aliza on astrology of events vs. people
• [33:11] – Girl Scout Heimlich rescue listener story
• [44:41] – Deep dive into sun, moon, rising
• [55:34] – Christine’s chart and “nothing matters” Aquarius inside joke
• [60:42] – Twin Geminis: chart overlap, cosmic friendship
• [62:33] – Aliza’s 2026 Jupiter forecast for Christine

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Tone & Energy

• Warm, playful, banter-heavy: The hosts are unafraid to riff, roast, and share personal vulnerabilities and humor, balancing spooky stories with irreverence and camaraderie.
• Curious and reflective: The astrology Q&A brings out honest admissions about self-knowledge, skepticism, and personality.
• Empowering and affirming: Aliza’s approach to astrology is inclusive and uplifting, aiming to see potential in every chart—even the “spooky” ones.

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For New Listeners

This episode is an engaging entry point to “And That’s Why We Drink,” showing off their blend of horror, humor, genuine listener connection, and a deep-dive into an ever-popular topic: astrology. The cosmic angle offers entertaining self-reflection alongside true tales of the strange and chilling—from ghosts on the stairs to grim backyard secrets—making for a lively, relatable, and dynamic hour-plus of podcasting.

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Explore more: Listen to Aliza’s Horoscope Weekly for ongoing astrology insights!

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Episode. Welcome everyone to February 1st of all. This is our February 1st listeners episode. But we have a very special guest with us and I am gonna, I hope you don't mind, but I'm gonna rattle off a couple of your accolades because I was doing a little research last night and you have been busy. So this is Aliza Kelly. She is a spiritual empowerment expert. She's astrologer, She's a columnist for the Cut in Marie Claire. She's a best selling author five times over. She is the host of two podcasts, Horoscope Weekly and the Practice. And you also have hosted solstice retreats. You founded the Constellation Club for those interested in joining the astrology, spirituality and magic community. And you also, I hope this is okay saying, but I think my favorite thing you've done is that you also have offered a lot of online lectures for intentional intention setting workshops and tarot birth charts, astrology, manifesting and Astrology 101 workshops. So.

[A]

And that's all time we have for today anyway.

[B]

And that's Ala. Kelly, thank you so much for being here.

[C]

Thank you. Thank you so much. It's always like so embarrassing when someone says in front of you. Yeah.

[B]

I also feel uncomfortable when that happened. So I'm sorry I had to do that to you, but I, I, I could not stop finding more information about you and I was like, you deserve the accolades because that's a lot of time put in. So. Congratulations.

[C]

Thanks. I'm a Capricorn Rising, so. Yeah, it never stops.

[A]

Well, we famously talk a lot about star signs, but in a very uneducated manner. So I mean like semi educated manner. But it annoys many people because M has a problem with Scorpios and yada yada. We go on and on.

[C]

So yeah, we should talk about that.

[A]

We will. I don't think we have a choice. I think it'll come up.

[B]

But yeah.

[A]

Aliza was kind enough to also get us our birth charts made up. And I've always wondered because em is a June 3rd Gemini, I'm a June 4th Gemini. I can only imagine the kind of clashing that happens on that birth chart mashup.

[C]

Well, yeah, I mean that's, you know. And Gemini is the twins.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[C]

It's four. Right. Like practically this is a four. This is an orgy podcast.

[A]

This is. Oh, finally. Finally. We've been waiting for someone to acknowledge it.

[B]

I've been trying to get Christine and I to, you know, I've been trying to start rumors, but, you know, we.

[A]

Want TMZ to get talking. Yeah, we can put that on our, like, website. Like an. An orgy of a podcast.

[C]

Yeah, that's. That's the tagline.

[A]

I like it for sure.

[B]

No, we've had. We. I'm sure, like, just like Christine said, but I feel like there's a lot of overlap. But then I'm sure there's a lot of, like, too close.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

I don't know how to describe it, but absolutely. We would love your take on that. And before we get started, I also have to say I just sounded like I know exactly what I'm talking about by ripping into all of the cool things you've done. But I don't know, really, the rest of the format of today's episode because Christine came up with a bit of a. An idea last minute, and I'm. I'm going to find out with everybody else. And you, Al, what. What Christine's got cooking for us.

[C]

Exciting.

[A]

Yeah. So I did a fun little thing where, by the way, Al, is there anything else you want to share up top? Like, anything you're promoting right now or anything particular you want? Oh, no, no.

[C]

That's. That's enough.

[A]

That's enough. Well, I felt like we said so much, I didn't know if there was, like, one piece of it that you were like, let's focus on that one. But, wow, A woman of many talents. So, okay, what I did, em, is I put our birthdays into our Gmail inbox to see, like, what kind of stories would come up. And for me, it was a really cool ghost story, and for you it was, like a really horrific true crime story. So I. I have these for us to read as our listener stories. We needed a few listener stories today, and I thought, what better than to search our birthdays and see, you know, what's. What's up? So I have this document. M. I have one that I'm going to read first to get us started that has my birthday in it, and then one you can read the one that has your birthday in it.

[B]

Okay, perfect. Perfect. I have no idea what true crime has occurred on my. On my birthday, but excited to find out with everybody else.

[A]

Yeah, it's gonna be a doozy. So this one is from now. I tried to look up how to pronounce this in the Norwegian way. Okay. Horgina. Horgina, I think, is how you say it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Jorgina. Jorgina. There we go. So this one is called Haunted House and Gemini daughter. Hello, everyone. My name is. Here we go. Yorgina. It's hard to pronounce because I was named after my great grandmother from Norway. And, yes, I do have creepy photos of her hang up in my house. Good. So, long story. Long. But spooky things have always happened to me. Paranormal activity doesn't really freak me out anymore. However, back in 2018, I had my first kid on June 4th. That's my birthday.

[B]

An omen to us all.

[A]

An omen. I know the Antichrist was born the year before. I bought a house that was built in 1912 in Western Washington, and that is old for this part of the country. I'd already experienced some paranormal activity, like shadow figures and objects moving around. However, I didn't really get concerned until my daughter started to experience it herself. As a baby, she would stare at the stairs and sometimes laugh at them. Even her father noticed how creepy it would be when she started to talk. She would say, there were eyes on the stairs.

[B]

What?

[A]

I couldn't see anything. And I never tried to ask leading questions. I don't know if I would want to see. Do you know that moment where you're like, I'm going to look, but I don't know if I want to see what's there or if I do?

[C]

Yeah, just keep your eyes closed just right.

[A]

It's probably best not to look.

[B]

It's like, as curious. I'm probably the most curious, nosy person in the world. Magically. I. I am not interested.

[A]

None of your business.

[C]

Yeah, none of your business.

[A]

Eyes on the stairs. No, thanks. Yeah. Okay. So as a baby, the more she was able to talk, the creepier things got. One that also feels very Gemini, doesn't it? The more she's able to talk, the creepier things got. Yeah.

[C]

That is a tale as old. Gemini. Tale as old as time. And that's not even. That's not even exclusively paranormal.

[A]

That's just, like, built in. Yeah.

[B]

I do feel like I'm just kind of like a. Like a runaway tumbleweed. Sometimes with my words, it just keeps. Keeps going until.

[A]

And then I just show up and, like, push you further. And we just keep going forever.

[B]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So let's see. I couldn't see. One night, I woke up and saw her trying to get into my closet. I asked her what she was Doing. And she told me that she was playing hide and seek with her friends. I said, it's too late to play and that she needed to sleep. However, I had a hard time falling back to sleep next to my closet. Another time, I was playing with her on the floor of her room. She told me that her friends lived under the floor, but it was really hot down there after.

[B]

I'm sorry. Your friends are in hell.

[A]

That's crazy. Also, a Gemini thing. Okay.

[C]

That's something to call a contractor about also.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

That's, like, maybe an insulation issue, right?

[A]

It's, like, out of our league.

[B]

I pray they're just like raccoons that are cold for the winter or something.

[A]

Just like your squirrel friends or something, you know? Yeah. It gets worse. Okay. It says, she told me her phones. After a while, she started to talk to me about the other mommy. She would tell me, oh, my God.

[C]

This is so Gemini coded.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Everything about it. I didn't even know mommies.

[C]

I cannot double trouble. Doubles always doubles. For Geminis.

[A]

We always needed you as a commentator. I feel like this is really helpful.

[B]

Yeah. Where were you? You were busy doing all these other things.

[A]

Too busy. Okay, let's see. She talked about the other mommy. She would tell me that this mommy didn't look like me and she didn't like me. She would also point to where the other mommy was, which always seemed to be in my room or her room. On top of that, the other mommy doesn't like me very much. She once told me there was a man in her bedroom. He lives on the other side of the wall with the other people. The man was nice to her, but the others were not nice. Then she added that the man did not like me and I should not go into her room. However, I had to make sure a real man wasn't hiding in there. So I looked around, but didn't see anything. Again, thank God this kind of thing happened for a while, and she would just sometimes tell us that someone was watching us. When she was about five years old, she asked me if ghosts were real. I asked her what she thought, she thought for a moment and said, yes. I think some people just have a little more living to do. Oh, that was lovely. So, yeah, that is the story of. That's like the lovely ghost story from Yorgena. So thank you for sending that in. Definitely reeks of Gemini energy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Double everything.

[B]

Yeah. I. Do you. I don't know if this is a silly question. I'm sorry, but I'm probably Gonna embarrass myself when I say this in front of everybody, but is there any connection between certain astrology signs being more connected to like the spiritual side of things? Because I feel like as a Gemini who just won't stop yapping. I feel like in theory that would mean that we open ourselves up to more things if we're willing to talk to things, versus people who are more analytical and maybe shut off to that stuff.

[A]

But then there's Capricorn. Oh, you Capricorn Rising. But then I know some people where I'm like, oh, famously, they're very kind of like, you know, organized and whatever the other brain side is. And they are very connected and in tune. Yeah, so that's a good question.

[C]

Yeah. I think that every sign can be connected. I don't think that it's. I think that it's less about the zodiac sign itself. And I see more configurations in people's whole birth charts that would indicate being able to sort of have easier access to different realms, different levels of open mindedness. Right. Because that is also another big part of the equation is you have to identify the experiences that you're having as something more paranormal or magical or supernatural. So it's less about the sign, more about the whole birth chart configuration. But every sign is in my book, every sign is witching. Right. Every sign just has a different way of being able to tap into that.

[B]

Have you ever looked at someone's chart though, and gone, damn, that's a spooky person?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I have. I have a very spooky chart.

[A]

Do you?

[C]

Yeah. And what I call a spooky chart, astrologers of yore would have considered a hard, difficult, challenging chart. You know what I mean? So I have had to. And some of my first, my sort of foray into astrology was sort of like, okay, well, how do I make this work for me and how can I learn to understand my chart and who I am without just feeling like I'm cursed in like a non whimsical way? And I think that applying, like figuring out like, oh, I have a really spooky chart and that works for me was actually part of the empowerment that I experienced in my early days of working with astrology. And that's what I like to bring in to the work that I do now is making sure that people recognize the opportunities in their chart, even when they're more challenging ones.

[A]

Ooh, that's okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you for sharing. I can't wait to hear about what in my charts say I'm very curious.

[C]

Yeah, you. You guys have plenty of spooky signatures. Don't worry. You're doing the right thing.

[A]

We're like that twin. We're like that emoji of the two dancing pals. Like, doing the cancer.

[C]

Yeah, I love that's. That's actually the real Gemini emoji.

[A]

Should be the Gemini emoji. That's what I'm saying.

[C]

Yeah.

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[B]

Did you. You said I have there's The True Crime June 3 story for me, Correct? Did you send it to me? I did.

[A]

I shared it on Gmail. I hope it or Gmail. If not, I'll text you. I type. So here's I'll give you a brief explanation. I typed in. I didn't. Hadn't even typed June 4th. I just happened to find one that said Gemini and had my birthday and I thought, oh fun, I'll look up M's birthday. And then I saw Canadian True Crime. And Em famously loves Canada. So I thought, perfect. And then I started reading it and went, oh dear.

[B]

Oh, okay, excellent.

[C]

I'm buckling up.

[A]

It's a good story. Like, I mean, it's a horrible story, but it's like, you know, very well told and like really horrifying. But it is the one that I. It's a little less, let's say, whimsical than the one I read for myself. So sorry. Em.

[B]

Great. I was sick of the whimsy over here.

[A]

I know. And usually we swap place. Us. We don't swap places like this. So you're the True crime half right now.

[B]

I know it's a. It's a new time for me. New Year. New Me. So this is a titled A Canadian True Crime. And it's from Tay, who uses she her pronouns. Thank you for normalizing pronouns.

[A]

Sorry, it's actually my yellow. Okay. Yellow highlight is me interjecting. Which like, probably at the beginning half of it was yellow interjections. And I went, no, no, just pronunciations are fine.

[B]

I appreciate it. No, the. Okay, the title is actually how well do you really know your neighbors? Yikes. Okay. It says hello and that's why I drink family. My name is Tay and today I want to share a chilling Canadian true crime story from July 2014. That summer, I moved to my dad's house in Guelph to attend summer school in order to fast track some credits for grade 12. Our neighborhood was peaceful except for one unsettling resident, Stefan Dietrich. Nice how you gave me the pronunciation for Stefan, but not Dietrich. That one.

[A]

That one. I was like, you're on your own.

[B]

I'm gonna roll with Stefan Dietrich.

[A]

The problem is, I looked up Stephen Dietrich, and that was like, a famous author or like a well known author. And I was like, I don't need to be like, slander. You know, I don't want to be.

[C]

Like, church of slander. No one needs a lawsuit.

[A]

Not today.

[B]

You know, Suddenly, Canadian resident and famed author.

[A]

Yes, an acc.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The unsettling resident, he also.

[B]

Can you hear that, Christine? The revving of that machine?

[A]

I do not.

[B]

Okay. It's. My neighbors are doing some yard work.

[C]

Oh, no. Are they also authors?

[A]

They're certainly unsettling to the neighborhood.

[B]

I keep hearing a rumbling whenever they're nearby. Okay. An unsettling resident, Stefan Dietrich. He lived two doors down and always gave me the creeps. As Christine has said a million times, trust your gut. Whenever I saw him, he would stop and stare, sending shivers down my spine. Despite my unease, I kept my distance and stayed friendly with him and his wife. Sebla. Yes, or Mimi and their three kids. As summer progressed, I noticed something strange. Mimi was no longer outside watching the kids. Instead, a new woman had appeared, and I thought she might be a nanny and didn't think much of it. Summer ended, and I never saw Mimi again. Fast forward to June 2015. I was on the bus passing my dad's street when I saw police tape, white tents, and forensic investigators swarming Stefan's house. My heart raced as I called my dad, who told me with a chilling calmness that Stefan had been arrested for murdering Mimi.

[A]

Oof.

[B]

As weeks went by, more and more information was released to the public about what had happened to Mimi. The news disclosed that Stefan had beaten his wife to death with a shovel in the family's garden in the garden shed following an argument over a cell phone bill. Autopsy photos showed evidence of blunt force trauma to Mimi's skull, and it was those injuries that caused her death. Stefan then placed her body in a hole he had dug in the backyard and filled it with cement.

[A]

Yeah, this is like, next level.

[B]

Like, were the kids still out there playing over her?

[A]

Like, yeah, I think.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

To give you a little spoiler. Yeah.

[B]

Stefan had been having an affair with a woman from Toronto. And their relationship, by the way.

[A]

Sorry, I just realized this too. Like, that cell phone bill is your problem guy, right?

[B]

You were calling this woman from Toronto.

[A]

Yeah, with a woman who doesn't live in town. Like, you can't blame your wife for the cell phone bill.

[B]

Yeah, and also, how did. And what was the. Whatever. I can't even get into. I'm being too nosy.

[C]

And also, and also, who's the carrier?

[B]

And also, can I look at the bill? Because how.

[A]

Please.

[B]

This relationship blossomed in the months leading up to Mimi's death. And text between them revealed his unhappiness and intentions to divorce Mimi. Court documents revealed that Stefan and his mistress exchanged messages before and after he killed his wife. And the text spoke of one day living together as a family. In the early hours of June 3rd, the woman had. The woman had he was having an affair with wrote to him saying that she was lonely. Stefan responded, no, you have me if you want, I'm yours. I have a family. Yes. I'm happy. No. And my wife, on paper. Yes. We do not sleep together. If she's here, she sleeps in another room. Only a show for the kids.

[A]

Happy birthday, Em. Sorry.

[B]

Yeah. Woo.

[A]

Also, the only, like, date, specific date in this email and I went, well, it says June 3rd, and our box has no other June. Well, it's M's birthday. It is M's birthday.

[B]

And so we gotta mention also, like, I. His writing really threw me off. I have a family. Yes, I'm happy. No. What sign is that? Because that's the worst sign. The one who.

[A]

My father. It's like exclamation points, exclamation points, question mark, exclamation. And it's like, who are you talking to?

[B]

Like, it's like no one asked any of those questions to begin with. You're just giving yourself a little lecture. Okay.

[C]

Yeah. I feel like I've had. I had a lot of bosses over the years who wrote like that. I feel like that's like a very classic Boomer cadence.

[A]

Boomer cadence, yeah. Because they're like, am I happy?

[C]

Am I.

[A]

No. Do I. Am I working?

[B]

Am I answering my own questions? Absolutely.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I forget, am I annoying you?

[B]

So, okay, last part of the story is it was around the same time, I guess, that those messages was around the same time your birthday. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.

[A]

Just to specify birthday time, I guess our birthday time. Because one day.

[B]

Oh, it was around that same time that Stefan began researching ways to get a divorce. From Mimi. Just days before killing his wife, Stefan completed an online application in Mimi Dietrich's name to initiate divorce proceedings. Oh. So, okay. Forgery. He paid for it with his own credit card, police found. He also made several Internet searches regarding where he could buy.

[A]

I think it's diethyl ether.

[B]

Diethyl ether. Yeah. He really stopped helping me pronounce these things. And Chloroform. Pretty much things that would put you to sleep.

[A]

Things you shouldn't be Googling. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Or inhaling. On Ask.com, he wrote, where can I buy chloroform?

[C]

Okay, so, yeah, we know the profile of this person. If he's going on ask.com, fair enough. Say less.

[B]

That's a great point. Ask jeeves.com.

[C]

No, that's very incredible.

[A]

I'm MapQuest. The directions too. It's like, what are you up to, guy?

[B]

We may not know his astrology sign yet, but we do know his age. You are totally right. Yeah.

[A]

You're clocking it.

[B]

I think you were totally right. On July 10, 2014, the couple received an outstanding phone bill, which angered Stefan. He called the phone provider, and a recording of the call captured Stefan arguing with Mimi. It is the last time her voice was heard. Surveillance footage showed Stefan leaving Mimi's car with an envelope in his hand and getting in a taxi. He dropped the envelope in the mailbox of his employer, who was also a good friend of Mimi. And the envelope contained four letters purportedly typed and signed by Mimi, as well as her wedding ring, a SIM card from her cell phone, her car keys, a color copy of her German passport and her Canadian residency card. And the alleged letters from Mimi indicated that she was pregnant with another man's child and had run off to start a new life.

[A]

This guy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

She praised her husband and admitted to stealing money from him. She wanted a divorce so he could find someone better than her. I love how, at the end, he found a way to also praise himself.

[A]

I know. I was gonna say, like, it's the most narcissistic letter. Like, I can't actually write anything except how great I am.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even though. Even in a fake letter.

[B]

Great point. Yeah.

[A]

It's just sad and scary.

[B]

A month after Mimi's disappearance, Stefan's mistress moved into the home, and Stefan told his children that their mother had left to start a new family and no longer loved them.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

After this arrest, police formed an extensive search of the house. With the help of police dogs, they found Mimi's body buried under a recently poured cement pad in the Shed. She was curled up in the fetal position, fully clothed and dressed in rubber boots. Also, they discovered in the clandestine grave was a license plate frame that said, give Jesus a chance. He died for the opportunity. That's a.

[C]

That's a license plate.

[B]

A license plate.

[A]

They found that frame.

[C]

The frame of the frame. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It said.

[B]

It's a great point. It's like, why is there 50 characters? Yeah, interest. Like, I'm confused about.

[A]

I am in this.

[B]

In the story building, in the world building of this. Would she be holding that frame when she.

[A]

I just wonder if, like, he kicked it in. Like, it got cement on it or something. He kicked it in, you know, I don't know. I don't know. It's just a random fact.

[B]

Or he saw something that said Jesus and he was like, okay, maybe that'll help me later.

[C]

Yeah, I feel like that's like a quick repent.

[A]

Yeah. Ew. Good point.

[B]

Stefan was arrested and charged with first degree murder nearly a year after Mimi was first reported missing. Despite the original charges, Stefan pleaded guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison with no eligibility of parole until 2037. Thank you for reading my story. Read the last one. Yeah. Sorry if I pulled a Christine and ruined your mood. M. You know, happy birthday. It is, you know, common on a true crime podcast to be a little bummed out at the end of everything, but, yeah, I am bummed out. Thanks, Ty. But you know what? At least we got to say Mimi's name.

[A]

And, yeah, it's quite a shocking story, and I didn't see much about it. There's information online, but it's really not like a very, well, like, oft reported case, so. Tay, thank you for sharing that. And also, yikes, I. I do have.

[B]

A. I have another silly question. I'm so sorry, but you're here to answer my silly questions.

[A]

I guess we've got you on the clock.

[B]

Got you trapped. Well, I. I don't know. I don't even really know how to. Maybe if you can read my mind, Christine, and help me figure out a way to ask it correctly, but is. Does it mean anything when, like, something that intense, that big of an event, happens on a certain day? Does that, like, shift everything astrologically for everyone, or does that mess with the cosmos at all when big events happen in certain seasons?

[C]

It's an interesting question because a birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the moment someone is born based on their date, time, location of birth. But events also have birth charts. So for Example, I was born August 18, 1989, which happened to be the Menendez murders, at that exact same day. So I have the same chart as the Menendez murders, which is, someone has asked me before, like, oh, have you ever looked at the chart for that day? And I was like, you bet I have. Like, the back of my hand. Yeah, that's a chart I know very well.

[A]

Wow, that's weird.

[C]

But it's interesting because. Because the energy of that day, obviously you're gonna read it through the lens of an event that happens. You're gonna read it in terms of, like, you know, especially when we're looking at true crime dates or, you know, these. These big, powerful moments in history where there were big turning points. Right. Like September 11, 2001. Right. Like, but that's also. There's a kid born on September 11, 2001, too. But mystically, that energy is the same. Right. It's just manifesting differently in the form of sort of a crescendo moment that would happen in world history or in the collective versus in somebody's birth chart as something that they are embodying and carrying with them. And listen, like the Menendez murder chart, the charts for those days. As someone who has that birth chart, I have had power dynamic things happen throughout my life. Right, Interesting. I am not. I do not foresee sort of that playing out in a similar way whatsoever, but in a very different application, in a different reality, in a different circumstance. Like, I understand how those energies could manifest in a way that would create something like that. Right.

[A]

Like two sides of the same coin type thing.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And when we look at things that are happening in real time, you know, events that are unfolding currently, and, you know, the horror stories that come from concurrent events, it's like that energy. We're going to look at that energy through the lens of what we know happened. But that energy can also show up in other ways, too.

[A]

Interesting. Okay, that's very deep.

[C]

Yeah. And like babies, you know, in 2026 and this month, in February, we have some massive astrology happening, some landmark astrology. We have Saturn and Neptune connecting for the first time in 36 years. The last time was in actually 1989, corresponding with the fall of the Berlin Wall. So we are looking at. Astrologers have been anticipating this really big astrological happening for years, for decades. And also babies are going to be born with that signature in their chart, too. So, like, all of the things are true at the same time.

[A]

Pisces babies.

[C]

Pisces babies.

[B]

Yeah, I guess That's. I guess I was thinking about it if maybe in the inverse where the astrology comes first and then the events follow the stars versus like, oh well, the events caused the stars to shift. I don't know why.

[C]

It's kind of like a chicken egg situation. It feels like it would be.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because astrology is so much our interpretation. The way that I interpret astrology is going to be very different than some right wing maga astrologer would interpret. What's going on?

[A]

Is that a thing? Because that deserves a TLC show and I would watch it.

[C]

I would hate watching it all day. It certainly is a thing.

[A]

It is a thing. We gotta talk off. Or we could talk online, but I have questions about it.

[C]

There was a big. I think that it's always existed, but the rupture really happened during the pandemic.

[A]

Yes, I do recall. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

And yeah, it's, it's, it was a wild time.

[A]

A lot of things came out of the. Yeah, I remember people being like, wait, what? Like splitting, like groups splitting?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I also remember the, when the eclipse was happening, they, A lot of people took that literally. Quote literally from the Bible of being some big thing and.

[A]

Right. So yeah, so yeah, I guess, I.

[B]

Guess, I guess they do exist. I just, they're not in my circle. So it blows my mind that, that, that they're, they're out there, but they are interesting.

[A]

Well, Em, I have one last thing to read for you real quick. It's an apology because I, I did find one more email that came up in the search and it had June 3rd, but I couldn't find it. And then I realized it was in a newspaper clipping attached to the email. And this is my, this is your comeuppance tale. Okay, thank you. June 3rd. This is the email we received from Amy which says. Hi Em and Christine. I just finished listening to the episode where Christine covers the Oklahoma Girl Scout murders and I knew I had to send in my story. My mom had signed me up for Girl Scouts as a Brownie when I was nine. Even though I wasn't too thrilled about the camping part, I was convinced we were going to see a bear while camping. My mom reassured me that would never happen and said she would go on camping trips with me so I would feel safer. Well, the first time she couldn't go on a trip with me, we had a bear encounter at the camp.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

To lock ourselves in the mess hall. Wow, that should help my chronic anxiety, it says. Which I imagine it wouldn't it? The parts of the Girl Scouts that I really enjoyed was earning badges. That feels very like millennial. Like, like collecting.

[C]

Yeah. I also, like, if I. I'm always guessing, I. I have to like. I wish we had all the submissions of everyone's signs all the time.

[A]

Acquire it. We should. We. We put a thing for pronouns. We should put like date of. Well, maybe not date of time.

[C]

Social Security, Social Security, home address, last for a name. But this feels very Aries to me. Okay.

[A]

I love this. Okay.

[C]

I love collecting badges as like I will take the bear attack if I get the badges.

[A]

Oh, a little. Okay. We're gonna have Amy right back in and let us know because I'm very curious about that. Well, there's actually a lot more and Amy is the star of the story, so I feel like you might know by the end.

[C]

Oh yeah, yeah. Amy, Amy.

[A]

You gotta like do the reverse chart. Like just start drawing it as a doctor. Maybe it'll come through. Okay. This is crazy, guys. Okay. I enjoy. The part I enjoyed was earning badges. I can still remember the big book that we had that had new things we were going to learn about and what badge we would earn when we mastered the skill. One of these skills was first aid. The kind of survival stuff M would like, such as what to do if you get cut, stung by a bee, break a bone, hit your head, and what to do if someone is choking and how to perform the Heimlich maneuver. Less than a week later, little nine year old me ended up needing this skill to save my 2 year old brother's life.

[B]

Life. See, that's why we like to know these things. You never know.

[A]

I need to get back on that and learn that a little better. I think I need to take like a. This, this inspired me. Take like another little Red Cross refresher.

[B]

I'm literally taking a first aid CPR class next weekend, so.

[A]

See, it's important.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My brother and I were cleaning my room, but mostly just playing when I noticed that my brother was laying down on the floor, gagging and choking on something. He was starting to turn purple. And in that moment I knew exactly what to do. Since the high like maneuver practice was fresh in my mind to add that badge you. I quickly flipped him over and put my fist by his belly button, covered it with my other hand and started pushing in my fist in his stomach and pulling him towards me. He pretty quickly coughed up what he was choking on, which was a small metal weight from a toy. It was from one of those balancing eagles that you could put the beak of the bird on your fingertip and it would balance because of a metal weight in either side of the wings. Well, apparently the bird broke and the weight was lying on the floor and my brother found it and put it in his mouth. So after this happened, I could see that my brother was okay. I ran into the kitchen to tell my mom what happened. She was talking on the phone, so she waved me away and told me that she was on the phone. I told her it was really important and I think that I thought it was really important.

[C]

This Amy really, like, is. She did the right thing. She went in the right order. I'm so impressed to go get mom.

[A]

After saving her life, like once. He's okay. I've never heard of anything like it.

[B]

She deserves the badge.

[A]

Amy deserves, like a lot of badges.

[C]

I think a lot of badges.

[A]

Yeah. The golden one. I don't know if there's a golden one, but she deserves that one.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I could tell I told my mom it was really important and I think she could tell I was shaken up over something. So she immediately ran a check on my brother. She was so amazed that I was able to put to use something I just learned at Girl Scouts that week to actually save his life. We are convinced that if I didn't react as fast as I did, he would have choked to death on that stupid weight. My mom was so impressed that she called our local news stations and I ended up on the news and in two different local newspapers.

[B]

Hey, girl.

[A]

The timing of this is crazy too, because this happened almost exactly one year after my dad had died. And one of the articles talks about that and it was like a really tragic, like, sudden death. So. And they talk about in the article like it's a year later and I don't know how my family would have survived another death in the family. What's even more crazy is that 24 years after this happened, my 14 year old son saved my 4 year old son from choking on a Lego by performing the Heimlich maneuver on it. What the heck?

[B]

What is going on in this family?

[A]

Guys are just like saving lives left and right. Overall, Girl Scouts was great for me. For the first few years I was in it. I have so many skills I learned that I still. This has been an ad for Girl Scout. No, I'm kidding. It kind of is though. I'm like, honestly, I feel like this is a good ad for if it.

[B]

Teaches all the children across America to know how to save lives.

[A]

I mean, yeah, I learned how to make rice balls in Girl Scouts. Not, not this.

[B]

I learned nothing.

[A]

So anyway, it says you learned that you don't like to ride horses and that's an important thing to learn that.

[B]

I'd have to wait until I was 30 to actually take a first aid class again and then not get a badge.

[C]

By the way, Girl Scouts.

[B]

What's that?

[C]

Everyone was in Girl Scouts.

[A]

I did like Brownies for like a year and then I think I was just kind of socially ousted.

[B]

I did some knockoff YMCA version of Girl Scouts.

[A]

Oh, what was it called? Like Brownies. They called it like.

[B]

I think it was, I think it was literally called like stay prepared. Like it was like oh I see.

[A]

I see, I see.

[C]

But maybe it seeded that interest in you.

[A]

Interesting maybe. Interesting.

[B]

Maybe I do just like to be handy in a crisis.

[C]

And Em also loves a Virgo Rising. We love to see it.

[A]

Oh, Virgo, yeah. Loves a fun fact. Also loves, loves to collect a badge. For sure. I'll collect anything.

[B]

I love a tchotchke.

[A]

Love a chachki. And now I just want to read this last thing Amy said. I'm attaching the P.S. i'm attaching the news articles I just found a couple months ago while going through my aunt's things after she passed away. Of course she had them laminated and put in protective protective sleeve. And I have this literally. June. Tuesday, June 3, 1997 Brownie gives squeeze of life. Nine year old saves her baby. I'll use my journalism voice please. 9 year old saves her baby brother Ontario. Oh, this happened in Canada too. And what's happening? Your stories are Canadian.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

She keeps blanking on the name but 9 year old Amy Adkins used a Brownie lesson in the Heimlich maneuver to save her youngest brother from choking. Amy got a two year old, Colin to spit up a lead weight the size of an animal cracker that he'd partly swallowed. How did she do it? I did the she said Monday trailing off and looking at her mother. Heimlich maneuver. Kimberly Atkins prompted her Heimlich maneuver. Whatever. Amy said.

[B]

Words aren't important. His life has saved Amy.

[A]

I love her. Her Brownie leader Paula Hamilton has her own word for it for it. Amazing. Just Last Tuesday, Troop 547 had a safety lesson in which the girls learned how to stop someone from choking. We made our left hand into a fist then cover the right hand over it, Amy said. Then with your fist you find the belly button and you push up three times. She put that lesson into action Sunday morning While cleaning up her room. Colin was in the room too lying on his back playing with the lead weight that had dropped out of a broken figurine as small objects are want to do when young children are around. The weight made its way into Colin's mouth mouth. He was coughing and gagging. Amy said his face was turning purplish. She flipped her brother onto his stomach then got him to pop the way out. She ran to the kitchen to interrupt her mother on the telephone. Kimberly found Colin standing very solemnly quote one little tear coming down his cheek. Poor baby.

[B]

Baby's first trauma seriously.

[A]

Hamilton who was informed of her pupil's work noted that while not all choking situations are life threatening calls of Colin would have been too young to help himself. And it says this lesson was important for the Brownies because girls are often left with young children. So yeah if you don't have that skill. And it says Amy the oldest of the three Adans children helps out a lot around the house since their father's death a year ago. Colin likes to spend time with her. Amy is cooler with her affections. Quote he's cute but annoying she said.

[B]

But he's allowed to stay alive.

[A]

I love yeah I guess.

[C]

But we'll keep him.

[A]

But we'll keep him for now. Amy learned a lesson from all this. Did call me. He was still putting things in his mouth Monday but only lollipops. The end.

[B]

I would be pissed if I was Amy. I'd be like are you serious?

[A]

Take that out right now.

[B]

Again are we not learning?

[A]

Okay. I'm just like so amazed by this and the fact that it came with like a newspaper article. I just, I know I did. So Amy I'm sorry for your loss of of your father by the way. All of this sounds very traumatic. Yeah and we appreciate you and we'd love to know. Elisa do you have any like updates on like your take on like I.

[C]

Think Amy's an Aries.

[A]

I love this. Okay Amy right back. If you're an Aries I would love to know.

[C]

Yeah I mean she's a warrior. She's a hero.

[A]

Hell yeah. A hero for sure. Just like ready to jump into action.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[B]

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[A]

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[A]

Well, those are the end of my contributions to today's episode every day.

[B]

Well, no, thank you. Thank you for even finding those stories. That was awesome. I am more curious about your, about Elisa, about your take on our birth charts. All I've heard so far is that my Virgo Rising actually is within me. But I've actually never felt connected at all to that part of me.

[A]

I'm always surprised by that part of that part of your birth chart, but I don't really know.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

At all. And so it's so interesting that you immediately clock that.

[A]

Love that. Wait. Yeah. Tell us more about this Virgo Rising thing.

[C]

Wait, this is stunning to me because I feel. Yeah, I feel like you're so. Virgo Rising.

[A]

What does it mean? How does that come across?

[C]

So can you guys share with me like a little like, where are you in your astrology journeys? How much do you Know your charts. Where am I right now?

[A]

Where are we right now?

[C]

What is happening?

[A]

Get me out of here.

[C]

But, like, how much do you know about your charts? Astrology. Drop me in.

[B]

Take it away, Christine. You got a lot more to say than me.

[A]

Okay, I have. I've done some cursory research. I have friends who are very well, pretty well versed in astrology. I'm, like, on the newbie ish side as far as I've looked at my birth chart. I've had some people kind of point some things out, but I cannot read it. Like, I get mixed up when I try to actually understand it. I feel like it's in a language I can. I can't. Can't read, but I find it, like, deeply fascinating, and it's something I regularly. I follow. Like, I've been trying to learn more, so I'm actively learning. What about you, Em?

[B]

I. I know enough about the. The. The signs in there to hate Scorpios. To hate Scorpios. I. I have an ex who really ruined the entire group of people for me. I. I'm just hesitant. And then I become friends with people, and then they're like, I'm a Scorpio. And I go, ah, that one hurt. But it's okay. We can make it. I'm aware, I know enough about, I guess, the main classic stereotypes of each of the signs that if someone says I'm a Taurus, I can kind of guess what that means, but I wouldn't be able to look at anybody and go, I know exactly what's going on here. And I do feel very attached to the Gemini in me, only because when I read the descriptions of each sign, mine, I have, like, word for word.

[A]

I have agreed when people do, like, Gemini friend memes, and it's like they never stop talking, and it's like, oh, we're literally professional podcasters.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, professional talkers, literally.

[A]

So it sometimes is a little on the nose.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, the I and I. I know my big three, but any. Anything else beyond that, I have no idea what that means. I have nothing. So. But. But I do feel very. Maybe you do too, Christine, but I feel very in touch with the Gemini in me. And my cancer moon makes sense a little bit to me, but Virgo rising, I just.

[A]

It feels like out of nowhere, but I guess it's not.

[C]

Yeah. Okay, so for our listeners and for also you both, let's go through how we distinguish sun, moon, and rising, because I think it's really important. So. So your son Is you, your son is the sun. Right. It's consistent. It comes up every day. It's gorgeous, it's visible, it's radiant. It takes up the most space. It's like in your face. Right? So our sun represents the part of our personality that is sort of the essence of us, right? So our ego is tied to it, our sense of self, our identity, our external experiences. The moon is our internal experiences. So for some people, if you were born, for example, on a new moon and your sun and moon are in the same sign, that's really an interesting sort of like fusion of an external and an internal experience. But for the majority of people, the sun and moon are not in the same sign. And this shows the sort of nuances of our character. Right. I like to say that the sun is sort of our, you know, what we do during the day, and then the moon is when we're in bed at night, how we are feeling and reflecting about on those experiences.

[A]

Oh, that's such a better way to think about it, like, to remember, I mean, because I always get confused about. Yeah. Anyway.

[C]

Yeah. And the moon is also, you know, it's. It's very different celestially from the sun. The sun is. Other than during an eclipse, the sun is very consistent. You know, it shows up. It's this big, beautiful, bright ball in the sky. Even if it's cloudy, you're like, it's daytime. I get it. The moon is constantly oscillating. It's changing, it's changing in shape, it's changing location. It moves fast. Right. So the moon is also our sort of our ever present and ever changing emotional sphere. And that shows us sort of the wax and wane and the fluctuation of our own internal experience, which is meant to be something that is, Is. Is. Is fluid. Right. It's that there's more change in variability to. Than our identity. Right. The rising is a really interesting and misunderstood placement because the rising is incredibly sensitive. It's a very sensitive point that corresponds with the exact minute you were born. So oftentimes, you know, when I. When I go on podcasts or when I do sessions and someone gives me, like, I was born at noon, I'm like, just so you know, I don't buy it. Like, the odds of you being born at noon are like, that seems like a very easy way that someone wrapped it up. You know, that helped me.

[A]

I was eight minutes off and my, My rising completely changed. Yes, exactly. Were like, that makes a lot more sense. And I was like, really?

[C]

Yes. So the Rising is really delicate, and it can change within a few minutes. It actually changes degree and every two minutes. So for some people, it's like it can shift radically. And the sensitivity of the rising sign is really important for a number of reasons. One is that it establishes the entire architecture for your birth chart. And then the other reason is because your rising sign is the world through your eyes. And this is often misconstrued and misunderstood as the mask you wear in public, which is one of the more pervasive sort of descriptions of it. But I find that to be a very confusing way of thinking about it.

[A]

It.

[C]

Because a mask almost implies that it's like a facade or something you're putting on or something external that doesn't go deep. But your rising sign is your perspective of reality. So it is one of the deepest aspects of your chart. Your sun sign is a response to your rising sign. If your rising sign is like, I see the world, and I'm going to use you as an example here. If I see the world as a place where I need to create systems, I need to be prepared. I need to make sure that I'm actually doing good and contributing and helping and making the world a better place. My sun sign can do this by talking about things, by shedding light on things, by having conversations, by inviting people to open up and have more conversations. The reason that all of the other planets exist is. Is to satisfy the mission of your rising sign powerhouse. So the rising sign is less about even the way that we sort of coexist and more the why behind why we are the way we are. So to learn that you love to be prepared to learn that you, you know, like, that true crime stories could be, like, destabilizing for you is also for, like, very Virgo rising because you're like, how. Like this. Because these are upsetting things, right? You want to be prepared. You want to make sense of the systems of the world. And if something comes through and it, like, you're hearing about people being unprepared, people, like, you know, being duplicitous and, like, shifting and not being as they said they were and doing these, like, shady, very evil things, it's like, whoa, how can I trust these systems? And how can I? We have to avenge these stories. Which is also where the Gemini sun kicks in and also where the moon in Cancer, which is so sensitive, so much of wanting to. It's very compassionate. It's wanting to be the people's person, right? It's like, you want to make sure that People are being tended to and cared about and cared for. So for me, in the way that I've gotten to know you already, I feel like it makes so much sense to have these reflected as your big three.

[B]

That's.

[C]

And Virgo risings are very, very smart. And they're also very spiritual. Low key. They're one of the most spiritual signs.

[B]

Christine is convinced I'm a psychic.

[A]

No, I just know it. I don't have to be convinced.

[B]

There have been some.

[A]

I guess we play little fun games, right. We get the Zen. What are they called?

[B]

Esp.

[A]

Yeah, those cards. And. And you, like. Emma's, like, freakishly good at it. And it's like, I don't know. I'm not even trying. And I'm like, yeah, exactly.

[B]

No, I. And I mean, I am also a. We've all been, at this point, ghost hunters for a few years, so.

[A]

Oh, and when M shows up, you better not touch a single label that has been put on every single microphone. And everyone has a. Every single camera has a backup battery, and then every backup battery has a backup battery. And then I usually break most of them. And then he gets really upset and has to leave the room. Like, it's all kind of making sense now.

[B]

It does make sense. Yeah. Very spooky, but organized. Yeah.

[A]

And I've just, like, bump into.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. You've convinced me that maybe I can see it now.

[A]

I feel like I needed the reframe of what a rising sign was, I think, to understand that.

[C]

Yeah. And just to add a little bit more here with the Virgo Rising. You know, like a Virgo Rising is. Is. Gemini and Virgo are both ruled by Mercury, and Mercury is the planet of communication. And I like to say that Gemini is sort of the external version of Mercury. It's the output, and Virgo is the input. It's the processing of information. So for you, there is just, you know, it's very mercurial to have this sort of, like, give and take of. Okay, let me take in the information, learn about things, and then I'll offer my commentary. But your commentary is also really, at its core, your mission is to help other people find the confidence to talk, too. So you are talking as sort of this, like, your Gemini quality is really to invite and to inspire more people to talk and more people to find their voice and more people to be able to communicate their truth.

[A]

Truth.

[B]

We should have you on every week.

[A]

We should do a pep talk with you before every episode.

[B]

Keep going.

[C]

No, don't let me stop you. All right.

[B]

I gotta hear about Christine. I gotta hear about Christine.

[A]

Oh, God.

[C]

Okay, so Christine, double Aquarius energy. We know it's Gemini, right? It's a Gemini. Unless you gave me the 12:12am Right.

[A]

That's my. Yeah, and I thought it was 1204 originally, and that was Capricorn horn, and I just could not figure that one out. And then it turns out, nope, Aquarius also.

[C]

So there's an interesting relationship between Capricorn and Aquarius in that they're both Saturn ruled traditionally signs. And the translation of that is like, they're both very serious in their own ways. You know, they both are. No funny business with the Capricorns and the Aquarians, but the way that that manifests fests for Aquarians is very much about, like, it's ironically, like, trying to. It's no funny business. And, like, why are you taking everything so seriously?

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Like, yes. Like, let's be real here. Like, nothing matters. Everything is.

[A]

That's my thing.

[B]

I always run around and I go, so weird.

[A]

Nothing matters. It's my favorite line every time we've.

[B]

Had a crap crisis and there was just no way out of it.

[A]

Usually I broke something and we'll always.

[B]

Just say, nothing matters. It's fine. Nothing matters.

[A]

Let's everybody.

[B]

So weird that you just said that.

[A]

Be serious and remember that nothing. Yes, exactly.

[C]

Let's be serious and remember that nothing matters. Because, like. And then in the weird way, everything matters because nothing matters. Right?

[B]

It's like, eerie that was. She like, said that a hundred times. That's so crazy.

[A]

Nothing matters.

[B]

Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

[A]

Inside joke in our group because we'd be like, right? Nothing matters. Just come on. Wait.

[C]

That's amazing. That's amazing.

[A]

Really weird. And I don't think that's something I say on the podcast ever. It's only when we're in, like, crisis.

[B]

Like, it's when we were on tour and something would go wrong and nothing matters. Let's just get on stage. Nothing matters. It was. That's so eerie that you.

[C]

I love it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Be serious about that and be serious. It's like kind of like, snap out of it. Nothing matters. Like, let's go.

[A]

Just be.

[C]

So you were born with. So when you were born, because you have your rising and your moon both in Aquarius, the moon was coming up over the horizon. So you have your moon positioned in your first house of identity. So for you, being lunar is actually in a very important part of your identity. And when we say being lunar, it means actually being in that sort of like ebb and flow of things. Right. We are talking about the moon as this constantly undulating entity. And so for you, like, your moods are an important part of your identity. You know, whether you are in a mood where you want to do something or not do something, your feelings about things are an important part of who you are. Your instincts on things are an important part of who you are. Like, you get a download on something and you're like. Like, well, you know, that's kind of how it is. Change my mind. But it's. Once you have that experience, you hold that really close as data for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like a. That becomes a piece of it that is unshakable for you. So understanding, sort of like your emotional. Your first emotional response to something, how you feel about a person, a situation, a dynamic, and is part of your processing mechanism. And it's also sort of the first line of understanding a situation.

[A]

Yeah, I can totally relate to that. I know we don't have too much time. I don't want to keep you forever, but do you have any insight onto how our charts connect or overlap or anything like that?

[C]

Well, obviously you were born one year and one day apart, which is very cute.

[A]

Em always clarifies that I'm the year older. Yep. Just.

[C]

Yeah, of course, you gotta make sure the people. Not the same year.

[A]

Not the same year.

[C]

So you actually have the. Even though you were born one day apart, you actually have the exact same sun sign. In astrology, because there is 365 days in a year and a birth chart. And the sort of operating system of astrology is a wheel, so it's 360. So there's always a variance. Right. Of a few days and degrees. 365 days. 360 degrees. So you both are 13 degrees. Gemini, sun. So in astrology, this means that you have your solar return, which is your birthday, the same day every year. Whenever the sun is at 13 degrees, it's a shared experience for both of you. And some years that's going to be June 4th. Some years that's going to be June 3rd. Maybe one year it'll be June 2nd. Maybe one year It'll be June 5th.

[A]

But you really have a birthday month. Month. Just in case.

[C]

Just in case you really are. You're twins. You know, I always say that every Gemini's pursuit is to find its twin. That is the mission of every Gemini.

[A]

That's cute.

[B]

Precious. Yes, precious. With your own sign. Do you feel like that? It speaks volumes. To everything you've accomplished.

[A]

Yeah. What sign are you? Are we allowed to ask you that?

[C]

Do you want to guess?

[A]

Oh gosh, yeah. Are you going to be bad?

[B]

Well, I. You told us her birthday, so.

[C]

Oh, I did.

[A]

Oh, you did. Oh, so it's just a zodiac. It's just a Horus. A zodiac.

[B]

I can't. Is that a Leo?

[C]

I'm a Leo. Okay, I'm a Leo. But you want to guess my moon sign? The feelings.

[A]

At night she lays in her bed.

[C]

And an astrologer out podcasting.

[A]

Yes, you got it. Shut the fuck. I told you I'm psychic. I told you I'm psychic. I told you. Yes. And when I see a piece of data, em, I remember it and I know.

[C]

Yes, collect your data.

[B]

Well, I would assume it takes a lot of like. I know Pisces are stereotypically like the most emotional of them, I guess. Or they're. I don't know if that's even the right word, but I would imagine it takes a lot of being able to like discern with what you do. I would, I would. I kind of went off of the logic part of me there where I was like, well, I guess you would have to have a lot of feelings and know how to operate with all of them. So I went with Pisces.

[C]

But yes, but I, I also think, you know, there are so many great, very hyper analytical astrologers who don't bring any. You know, it's almost like they're, they approach it very clinically, like they could be almost mathematicians about it, where they don't put the feels and the emotions in like that would not be available for me.

[A]

Those are for the maga, as.

[C]

I mean kind of literally.

[A]

I mean, yeah, like if you're lacking.

[C]

In empathy in my industry.

[B]

But yeah, we won't tell anyone. No one tell.

[A]

Nobody will know.

[C]

No one will know.

[B]

No. Perfect. Well, yeah, we don't want to. I mean we would like to keep you for much longer and ask you more questions, but we don't want to take up your own time. But thank you.

[C]

One thing about 2026 for you both.

[A]

Please listen, we, we, we would love.

[B]

Never mind what I was going to say.

[A]

Yeah, we could talk as you know, we could talk forever. So please.

[C]

Well, I do want to say that Christine, you have a very big year coming for you because you are going to have your Jupiter return, which only happens every 12 years. The Saturn return gets a lot of airplay, but your Jupiter return is sort of like the lucky abundant version of that. And you only get it every 12 years. So the last time that you would have had it would have been. Well, what's 12 years ago?

[A]

Good question.

[C]

2014. 2014.

[A]

Last year I met Blaze, my husband.

[C]

And it's actually in the area of your chart associated with partners partnership.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

So there's gonna be another important partnership coming through this year.

[A]

Oh, my God. Am I gonna have an affair?

[C]

Just kidding. Just like that, the astrologer said.

[A]

Is Leona gonna say the other mom?

[C]

Twins.

[A]

Twins. Oh, I love that. Thank you for sharing. And then does that mean EMS is the year after that?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay, Em, back to back. We'll see what happens.

[B]

Well, thank you so much for coming on and. And chatting with us and all that. It was awesome.

[A]

It's just fascinating.

[C]

Thank you so much.

[B]

And is there anything you would. I know I gave you a lot of hype in the beginning, but is there anything in particular you would like to direct people to before anything else?

[C]

I would say. I'd say my podcast. Come from one podcast space to another. Head over to Horoscope Weekly. I have episodes come out every Monday and every Wednesday.

[A]

I need that because. Do you go over. I'm assuming you go over that week's transits and things.

[C]

I do, I do, I do. And then I am of horoscopes for every sign. And then on Wednesday, I do the astrola tea, which is when we talk about more specific aspects.

[A]

Aspects of astrology. I cannot wait for this. Okay, I'm behind on all my podcasts, but I'm preparing them for my big year, my big Jupiter return. I'll be listening to all the podcasts.

[B]

Well, thank you so much for everything. We really do appreciate you coming on. I know you're very busy, and hopefully you have a good. You're lined up for you as well. I don't know the stars to be.

[C]

Able to tell you something.

[A]

I hope so too. I can see it mpsychic and I think em. And I can tell.

[B]

Right? Yes. It's gonna be so powerful.

[C]

Yes, I'll take it.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

All right, thanks, everyone. And we'll see you next month with more listeners. Episode listener stories and.

[A]

Oh, that's why we. And then, Elisa, you can say drink, Drink. Yay. We never planned that part out.