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God, I love eva.
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I also love Eva. Thank God for Zip Recruiter because it was the matching tool that brought us all together. You know, it's hard to hire for a business. We know that because we figured it out. But thankfully we had the easiest lesson ever because our first hire ever was through ZipRecruiter and it was of Eva.
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When we say it's easy, we're not kidding. Like within 24 hours of thinking we should hire someone, we had Eva.
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Like, it's the best for people like us who just, like, do things.
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I can't right away. I can't imagine a world where you get a better ringing endorsement than from us. Where we literally went on ZipRecruiter and within 24 hours had EVA. Like the best thing that ever happened to us.
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If you need to hire for your business and want an easier way to find qualified candidates, head to ZipRecruiter and right now you can try it for.
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Four out of five employers who who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. See for yourself. Go to this exclusive web address to try ZipRecruiter for free. ZipRecruiter.com Drink again, that's ZipRecruiter.coM-R-I-N K ZipRecruiter the smartest way to hire. Bonjour. Oh, Christine. Oh, yes, that's. That's right. I've been learning French on Rosetta Stone.
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Sortila Pel. Take out the trash.
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What the. Folks, this is the best gift ever. I've given this to a few people already, which is a lifetime membership to Rosetta Stone, which is perfect for anyone looking to learn or improve their language skills.
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We made it. I hope at least, at least in theory we did because we're recording this a few weeks early. But we made it. If you're hearing this, we made it.
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We kicked those doors of 2024 off. Attentions, we are out of there. Thank God.
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Actually, I didn't kick it off the hinges. I closed it very gently and I put 17 locks on it and I said, okay, stay here now.
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And you blew it a kiss and you wish it.
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Bye.
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Well, hopefully 2025 is kind to us and we are starting it off by reading some of your stories as a good luck. So for those of you who maybe have, if this is your first time here, we do listen new podcasts. We do a a listeners episode at the first of every month where we read your true crime and paranormal stories instead of reading ones that we found off the Internet. And it's always a mixed bag. We never know what we're gonna get because Eva picks them for us. Thank you, Eva. And I don't know, is there. Do you have a reason why you drink at the start of this year?
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Well, I just discovered a little fruit fly in my coffee. Good morning to me.
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Are you someone who's gonna keep drinking that?
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Now let me take a little look at how many legs he's got. That'll determine. Yeah, that'll determine.
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I see what you mean.
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Just a little. It's just a little crumb. It's fine. I could keep drinking it. I thought it was a bug.
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Oh, it is not a bug. Okay.
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It is not a bug. It is a crumb. I thought it was a bug. It is not a bug.
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You know, I was sitting downstairs in my mom's house yesterday and I must have. Something must have happened. Three fruit flies were circling me like I was pig pen from Charlie Brown. Like I just smelled really bad or something cloud. And I was like, why the hell there's so many flies circling around?
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You told me your cat, your ev. The cat that was considered the evil cat at your house passed away. And I feel like your cat is out for vengeance in the afterlife.
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It's got to be something like everything.
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That'S happening over there. I keep thinking, like, things yesterday we recorded. Oh, yesterday you say yes. Every day for the past week we've recorded. And in the back behind M, something like fell off the shelf. And I'm convinced it's this cat coming back to haunt you.
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But the thing is, like, that dead cat did not, even when he was alive, did not care enough about me to. Maybe now he's just testing the water back to.
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Yeah, maybe. You know how they say, like, when you pass away that you end up kind of like in a time where you were more physically able bodied and maybe like, he went back to his kitten hood and said, I'm ready to do this all over again. Just find enemy number one.
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I was gonna say, if he went back to his kitten hood, I hope it's before his villain origin story. And now he just wants to be a fun happy.
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Maybe that's what's happening. Maybe he's just running around, like, knocking stuff off, you know, Maybe he's in a. A better place. You can tell Tom I said that. I'm sure it'll make me feel he'll know what it means. Feel a lot better about his deceased cat. I'm sorry.
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Well, hopefully you're telling the truth, but no, I. Yeah, there was a few fruit flies around me, and I'm not someone who can. The second it even touches the plate of food that I have on, I won't eat the food. I'm like, so grossed out.
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But I'm just a little high maintenance sometimes, and that's okay.
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100 of the time.
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That's. Yeah, 100 the time. All right. I was gonna give you a little, like, 90, but no, I'm high maintenance.
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About being high maintenance. For sure.
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Oh, my God, guys. It's exhausting.
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Which is weird because half the time I don't care, and then the other half the time I really fucking care.
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Well, and by the way, that gives everybody else a real run for their money because we're like, is this one of the ones?
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You never know.
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I never know until it's too late.
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That's exactly right.
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Okay, do you. How about I'll go first? I don't know why, but sure, I'm just going to do it. This is called a guardian angel. And maybe a glitch in the matrix colon full of little happinesses. That's nice.
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That's lovely.
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We got, like a good vibe for 2025 already. I like this Hi, all. April here. I started listening to your podcast a couple months ago. I'd binged all of the crime junkie podcasts and a friend suggested this one. I'm now to 125 and listen almost daily on my one hour commute each way. Yikes. Good times. I don't miss that. From LA life.
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Nope.
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And I love your show. It's great for commutes and road trips. However, if I'm driving late at night down a back road, I have to turn it off or I get all freaked out. Okay, that's fine because we're like fruit flies. There's a fruit fly in my coffee. Horror story. It is always comforting to me when people say our show is scary because it doesn't feel scary to me when we record it. But I always like a little spooky podcast. I'm glad we. I'm glad we make the cut. An unrelated coincidence. Is that your combined lucky number? Shut the up. Your combined lucky numbers make up my dad's birthday. 22249. Oh. So that always makes me feel a little more attached to y'all. I'm, like, sitting here trying to figure out the date.
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Okay, yeah, like, what does it mean? February 2nd, 1949. Was he born then?
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22Nd, but yes. So let's crack into it. My mother went into labor. Wow, what a good start. My mother went to labor in the middle of the night. She woke up my father. They dropped my siblings at my grandmother's house and drove to the hospital. They parked and walked in together to the check in. My mother gave the nurse her name, and the lady looked at her and said, weren't you here delivering yesterday?
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What the.
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Imagine, like, looking down at your stomach like, I don't think so.
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Yeah, right here.
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I think I'm right here right now. And my mother pointed. Oh, my mother pointed to her very pregnant stomach and back at the nurse and deadpan, said, does it look like I delivered yesterday? Yeah. Right. That is literally the exact response. The nurse shook it off, checked her in, and showed her to her room. My mother had a safe and healthy delivery with me and then went back into her room. She spent the night in the hospital. In the middle of the night, she woke up and was back at home, still nine months pregnant and in labor.
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What?
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Wait, what? I'm sorry, this is.
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Read it again.
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This is actually my worst nightmare. I'm actually really afraid now. She spent the night in the hospital. In the middle of the night, she woke up and was back at home, still nine months pregnant. And in labor. So it. Like, groundhog.
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Oh, my God.
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Imagine having to go through labor and then being like, groundhog Day.
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Like, I'd find that nurse and be like, can you tell me how this goes, please?
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Strangle you, actually is what I'm gonna do. What have you done? In the middle of the night, she woke up, was back at home, still nine months pregnant and in labor. She woke up my dad, and he drove her to the hospital. She checked in, and the nurse didn't say anything. This time. Again, the birth was uneventful. Later, she told the story to my dad, and he brushed it off. We would find out later when I went to preschool that there was another lady in our town with the same first and last name, with a husband, a similar name, first initial, same last name as my father that had a daughter with the same name as mine, April, who was born the day before me in the same hospital. Once we were old enough to be in activities, people would mistakenly call the wrong one because the phone numbers were right next to each other in the phone book, and the families had the same first initials and last name. I lived in the town until I was 12 and never met the other girl. My mother was never sure if this was a deja vu, a glitch in the matrix, or a weird psychic moment or what, but she always talked about how women in our family were just a little extra sensitive. Do you wonder if, like, the mom, like, went into the consciousness of the other? Like, her consciousness went into the one of the other woman as she gave birth the day before?
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Like, their brains astral projected into each other's bodies?
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Freaky Friday or something.
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It does feel like a Freaky Friday.
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Imagine having to Freaky Friday into multiple people giving birth. Like, why would you ever. That would. Like, what?
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What a cruel joke.
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Yeah, what a terrible time to pick that. But w. That's pretty crazy. My second story is about me directly. It happened when I was about 4 or 5. I was a very petite child and loved hiding.
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Jesus Christ.
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Okay, that's not scary at all. One day, my whole family went to the mall. Oh, God. And I hid in a clothing rack in the Sears. When I came out of hiding, my family was gone and I couldn't find them. Classic. Classic memories. My mother always had a rule that if we get lost in the mall, we were supposed to meet at the food court, but I didn't know where that was. Within seconds, I was upset and crying, and I left the store in search of my family and the food court. While I was Looking around, I saw my dad. He was walking around in his hat and trench coat.
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Oh, my God. What's happening? I'm sorry.
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It's your dad.
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At this point, I'm kind of hoping you astral projected again. And this is not your dad.
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It's the other April's dad. I just love that. Like, what's he doing going to the Bath and Body works in his trench coat? I don't know. Okay. I ran to catch up with him, but couldn't catch him. But I followed behind him all the way to the food court. And when I looked up, there was my mother and my brothers. They were all waiting there. But my dad wasn't. He was out searching for me. I asked where my dad was as I had just seen him. She told me he was at the mall security office. About five minutes later, my dad showed up with mall security. He told the man he could go as I had shown up and yelled at me for hiding. I told him I had seen him and chased him all the way back to the food court. And then I noticed he was wearing a windbreaker today.
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What?
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He didn't have a hat with him that day. I could have sworn this was my dad, but apparently it was just my guardian angel guiding me back to my family.
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Or it was other April's dad.
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It was other April's dad in his trench coat. The one that matches your dad's trench coat?
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Yeah.
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Looking back, that's the only thing that it could have been. And I've only seen him twice since. Oh, you've seen him again? When? I love that. The universe. Like, here. Here's just, like, a image of your dad.
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Yeah.
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This is your garden.
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You know this guy? Kind of.
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You've heard of him?
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He doesn't know you, but you know him?
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Yeah. You know, this trench coat, It's a whole thing. Looking back, that's the only thing it could have been. I've only seen him twice since. When? Speeding down the highway right before a hidden cop telling me to slow down. Now that's a useful guardian angel. Thanks for reading my stories. Hope they weren't too long. Y'all always do some heavy stuff, so I wanted to send a little lightness along. Love, April from Kentucky and her pets, Stormy Cat and Pancakes Dog. Hashtag Team Lemon.
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Now, what would be really weird is when you, like, run around with them one day, and then there's a whole other slew of animals, but they're in.
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A different trench coat, just slightly different trench coat. There's three cats in a Trench coat and they all ring your doorbell. What if it was your dad? What if that was. What if your dad, the guardian angel that you thought was your dad, was just three cats in a trench coat the whole time?
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And what if you. That cat that you think is your cat is actually three of your dad's in a trench coat? Now that's holy crazy, Hol. The trench coat bit will never be old for me.
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I always is always.
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Funny creatures in a trench coat really get me anything.
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It's perpetually funny every time.
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I think you and I should try the trench coat thing sometime. I think it should be me, you, and Eva at the top.
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You think that I. I love that I'm in the middle. I can just, like, take a nap in there then. Because I'm just. I'm not walking and I'm not talking. I'm just in the middle.
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Yeah, you just have to carry the. The weight. You're fine.
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I have one of those, like, German backpacks that carries toddlers.
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Okay.
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Hey, so Eva could fit in that?
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It could. You probably put Leona in that with Eva on top you. And it'll counterbalance.
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I feel like there could be a bad idea. I'll hold Leon on this side. I'll put.
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Even the backpack blazes is monkeyed around you.
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What are you doing this whole time?
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I'm just breathing, man. I'm trying to breathe.
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I'm just trying to survive.
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I had a. I actually had a dream last night where. Well, maybe I shouldn't say it because we still have another half of our tour to go, but without using. Without saying too much information, for those who have been to our show will know what I'm talking about. I had a dream where we were about to do our very last show.
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Oh, boy.
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And I forgot our tour suitcases with, like, all of the candles and all the subject, everything. And at the end of our show this time, we try to do, like, a finale at the end of our show this time, and we bring something out on stage with us. And I forgot that. And we were trying to convince Eva to join us on stage to do, like, some version of the finale.
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Oh, my God.
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Actually, Eva was not into it, by the way.
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Okay, good. I was like, this feels a little too close to home. Like, this might actually be a thing that happens. So it's making me a little anxious.
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I got really paranoid. Like, I. I didn't know that it was a dream, obviously. So in real life, it felt like real life. And I was like, oh, wow. Eva's like, pissed that we're asking her to do this.
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So, yeah, I don't blame her.
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Eva, just know that in a. In a pinch, that's what I. Apparently how I would have solved.
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Yeah, we're like, Eva, your plan. Your plan. D. If anything goes wrong, your plan.
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We need you to come on stage and. And do a finale for everybody because I forgot every single item that we.
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And that's on you. Eva, that's your fault.
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We're actually not going to be on stage.
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Put your trench coat on and get out here.
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Yeah.
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Do a little date. Do a little jig.
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Oh, man. Anyway.
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Entertain the masses.
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Anyway, that was. I. That was the dream I woke up from to then record with you right now. And I. I had to remind myself that, oh, no, the tour has ended. We're good now.
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We're all safe for now.
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Yeah. So anyway, sorry to half spoil it for some people, and that probably wasn't fair to say.
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Don't think you spoiled anything for anyone. I barely followed the train of thought. So. It's okay.
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Just know that if you do come to our shows in the spring and Eva is on stage at the end.
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That'S not part of it.
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I did, in fact, lose. Lose the.
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An emergency has happened and we were crying about it.
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A
Yes. And Eva's maybe mad and Eva's probably quitting.
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A
Because you're of the elite, I suppose.
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Yeah. Goodr has a one year warranty and it has 30 day free returns, which I love, because if you don't like them, you can just send them right back.
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Oh, that's lovely. I do. I do like that they have the no slip. There's nothing I hate more than feeling like there's always just something behind your nose that's keeping them from sticking to your face. So I appreciate that they stick to my face.
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So, okay, here is. I don't know why I called it a letter, but I suppose it is a letter. Here's email number two from. This is Alex.
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Here's a missive from Alex.
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Here's.
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Here's letters from the current to the Corinthians stationary.
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A correspondence from Alex. And the title is Fate and a guardian Angel. And apparently you requested this listener story back in June.
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Sure, yeah, I remember.
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Okay. Alex says, hi, all. I hope everyone is doing well. My name is Alex. She her. Thank you for normalizing pronouns. I have been a listener since 2017. I had my George Lopez fever dream demon listener story read maybe five years ago.
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Oh, my God, I remember. I actually remember that one. I don't remember many things about my life, but that I remember.
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George Lopez doesn't get mentioned quite often.
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No, he's like, just mysterious enough that he strikes a chord.
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And last month, Christine requested fate listener stories. And although not scary in the traditional sense, I do have a good one.
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Oh, nice.
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My entire life, I have been obsessed with roller coaster tycoon Imagine X. Imagine X and the desire to design theme parks, which is. I had that hyper fixation growing up. I wanted to be a roller coaster designer when I grew up. And then I realized I had to go to like architecture school for that. And I, I never.
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Well, I think also engineer. I don't think it's even architecture. I think it's engineering. Right. Because you have to get multiple degrees and all that.
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It was. It was animation and architecture school or animation and engineering school, something like that. Animation had to be one of them. But all of them scared me. So I said, well, I guess this dream is not being fulfilled. Anyway, I hope it was fulfilled for you. I read any and all the books on how to become a Disney imagineer. Another dream of mine, and one of my favorite designers had a degree in something called industrial design. I followed in his footsteps and chose this as my college major to try to get closer to my dream job. During college, I struggled to keep up with the class and got mildly bullied for my theme park interest.
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Aw.
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I applied to 40 jobs and only received one interview and then landed a job in Atlanta that completely sucked. I stayed at the job for a year and a half before getting completely burned out and quitting to become a nanny. I cannot express at this time how lost I felt and how. And how I had absolutely no clue on how to get myself any job of any type anymore. I ended up moving to St. Louis with my partner at the time, and I was jobless. And about a month after moving, my partner and I were attempting to carry our dining room table up the steep stairs of our 1890s apartment and seriously struggling.
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Pivot.
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Pivot. I know. Truly, in 1890s, I feel like every inch of that building is so, like, delicate.
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Yeah.
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A man on a bike was passing.
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By delicate because it's, like, made of, like, crazy old ass wood. It's just so narrow and, like, it's gonna ding up all your belongings because it's like. Like we were here first. You have to conform to our narrow landing.
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Isn't your house 1890s?
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1870S? Yeah.
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Oh, my God, that's wild. That's.
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I've certainly never tried to carry it. Well, actually, that's not true. I have absolutely done that.
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I'm sure you have dinged at that house in very special places.
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Let's just say it's dinged me up funny.
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About a month after moving. Oh, so they're moving the table. A man on a bike was passing by and stopped and asked if we needed help. I do not like talking to strangers, especially men. But for some reason, I felt the instinct to say yes. Okay, no problem, he said, and began helping my partner carry it.
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A year later. Wait, what?
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A month after moving.
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Oh, okay. You said a month after carrying it. I was like, they're still carrying that table up. Or, wait, but is it a couch or a table?
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A table.
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Okay, so they're mid carrying the table now.
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Mid carrying the table.
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Okay.
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He began helping my partner carry it up the stairs. I watched his bike for. I watched his bike for him, and when he returned, we made small talk. He asked me where I worked, and I said I didn't work at the moment. And he said, oh, well, what's your background and dream job? And I hesitated and told him I had an industrial design degree, mostly worked on themed graphics, but my job, my dream job, was decorating or creating theme parks. And he looked at me and paused. And at this moment, I felt the most visceral gut reaction I've ever had in my life. I'm not religious, but I do consider myself spiritual in a variety of ways. I'm not sure if this was a guardian angel. But it felt like time slowed and I heard a quiet voice tell me. He was about to tell me he could offer me my dream job.
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This is literally like the angels, like, holding your head still and being like, pay attention. This man, look, make eye contact.
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A
And he said, I have an industrial design background, too. I do thematic graphics, and I design theme parks with a firm downtown.
- [22:18]
B
Shut up.
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A
I actually put in my two weeks yesterday, and I'm moving to New York City with my family.
- [22:24]
B
No.
- [22:24]
A
I was in shock. And he proceeded to hand me his boss's business card, and within two weeks, I filled the position. That was never posted.
- [22:31]
B
No the way.
- [22:34]
A
I have not had anything even remotely close to this happen to me again in my life. But I truly believe this was a fate moment. I am happy to say six years later, that I am now a Walt Disney imagineer as a designer and illustrator in Orlando, Florida. Holy. If you all read this for The June episode, Jan. June 3rd is actually my first day as an imagineer. Oh, that makes June 3rd so much more special. Although this is not scary or creepy, I hope you enjoyed this story. P.S. if you do an Orlando show, I will happily give you all Disney guest tickets and all the nerdy fun facts. You know what's so wild is, first of all, as much as I would appreciate the Disney tickets, I just want to, like, walk around with an imagineer and see, have all that stuff, stuff pointed out at me because I know my dream job for a long time was exactly what you're doing.
- [23:25]
B
I think your dream job would be to just follow around somebody who does that.
- [23:29]
A
I just want you to point out everything and fun fact me to death. That's what I want. Yeah.
- [23:33]
B
Wow, What a story, though. Like, to be like, I don't talk to strangers. This man just happens to drive by as I'm holding a heavy object. Like, the way that the universe had to algorithmically, formulaically set that up is just so cool.
- [23:44]
A
That's wild. And Alex said at the end, while reading back, I realized that y'all always read these on the first of the month, not the first Monday. So my first day at Walt Disney Imagineering is still Jim third. But I wanted to clarify. Oh, okay. Well, congratulations anyway.
- [23:59]
B
Yeah, fuck this. I don't want to read this anymore.
- [24:01]
A
I'm just kidding.
- [24:02]
B
We're literally seven months late already. So.
- [24:04]
A
No, but that's, I mean, so cool. And also, I'm glad that somebody was able to actually go do that job, like, without having to do the triple majors. I Thought that you needed to be able to do that job. So congratulations. I'm very happy, but also very jealous of you.
- [24:19]
B
So industrial design. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Wow. That was crazy. Okay, this is from Elena. She. Her. And it's called My Interactions with Domovoy.
- [24:33]
A
Oh, my God. Okay. I don't know what that is.
- [24:35]
B
Hi, Evan. Christine. I. I love that. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
- [24:39]
A
Sounds bad. I don't know.
- [24:41]
B
I am in. Christine. I'm a newbie binge listening to your amazing podcast. I'm only on episode 54. Ah, these years before COVID and everything that followed. Please note this and that I'm Russian, living currently in Uruguay, so I don't use English in my everyday life. And it could be clumsy. Yeah. As you're like the most eloquent person I've ever read.
- [24:59]
A
Yeah.
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B
English is not my first language. Smiley face. So in your first episodes, you were often talking about the things disappearing and then reappearing mysteriously in your houses. You know, I love that. And it was strange for me, not because it's creepy, but because in Russian households, and I guess in any other Slavic households, really, but I don't know and can't speak for other cultures, it's somehow normal. Oh, this is just a thing that you guys like. Oh, it's just gone for a few days. Don't worry about it.
- [25:24]
A
Nope.
- [25:24]
B
You see, though Orthodox Church is very powerful in Russia, many, I think most people still hold to our cultural beliefs. One of the most popular is the existence of Domovoy. Domovoi, or sometimes domoviha, feminine, is a guardian spirit of the house, typically seen as a tiny old man. Have you heard of a Dom? You've not heard of A Domovoi is a guardian spirit of the house, typically seen as a tiny old man with a long beard, wearing traditional clothes. That's very cute. It sounds like a little gnome.
- [25:55]
A
It sounds like a little Santa. Yeah.
- [25:56]
B
Yeah. Every house has its own Domovoi. It's a given, though. I don't know how it works in recently built buildings. Must be some Domavoid distribution system, I guess.
- [26:06]
A
Like with cats. Yeah.
- [26:08]
B
So Domavoy is like an elder member of the family. You must respect him. Keeping your house clean. Oh, and behaving in your house. Well, or public. I'm upset with you and will cause trouble. Maybe this explains a lot. In my home, that's where the disappearing of things comes. Always, always when I lost something, my mother would say, go ask Domovoi nicely. And I. I would go and say into the air. Oh, gosh, here we go. Joseka, meaning host, father, play, play. And return to me my name. Insert name of the thing. It works more often than not. And sometimes it works a little creepy. For example, I clearly remember how one evening I was getting ready for the next school day and couldn't find my favorite hairpin. Naturally, I asked Domavoy nicely to play with it and then return it. But this evening, nothing happened. In the morning, I found it laying in the middle of my very tidy desk, where I for sure would have noticed it the previous evening. My parents just shrugged their shoulders like this is totally normal. The other time, my mom couldn't find either her shirt or blouse and asked Domavoy again nicely. After that, she went to do some errands and nobody was home. When she returned, the clothes that she was looking for were laying on her pillow.
- [27:19]
A
Is that the most. That's you and your retainer.
- [27:21]
B
It literally says just like the retainer from your story. E. That's so crazy. I was thinking about that last night, actually, weirdly, and it was your dumble.
- [27:30]
A
Voice saying it was.
- [27:31]
B
Actually, it was Mr. Chatfield, which is like way worse. I would rather be a dude. Let's see. Maybe Mr. Chatfield is my dumblevoi.
- [27:40]
A
Yeah.
- [27:44]
B
So it was perfectly folded on her pillow. And again, it wasn't a huge shock for her or frankly, anyone. Just a funny story to tell our friends. And I assure you, almost every one of my friends from Slavic households have a very similar story, either with them or their relatives. Another thing about Domovoy is that if you're moving somewhere, you should invite him to go with you to your new home.
- [28:02]
A
But that's nice.
- [28:03]
B
And you offer. Oh, this is really sweet. You offer him a new clean towel as a transport.
- [28:08]
A
That's precious.
- [28:09]
B
That's really cool.
- [28:10]
A
Just go. Hop on in.
- [28:11]
B
Hop on in, guys.
- [28:12]
A
I'll wrap you up, keep you.
- [28:13]
B
I love this bundle you like a little baby. I didn't do it.
- [28:18]
A
Oh, oh.
- [28:21]
B
I didn't do it. And now nothing vanishes in my house. But at the same time, it feels cold and unwelcoming somehow. Frown face. But I like to think that our Domavoy stayed with my parents and looks after them like a strict but funny and playful guardian spirit. This is so heartwarming. I have other stories about both Slavic folklore and my dead relatives predicting future deaths in the family in my dreams. But that's for another time. I'm returning to listening to you and hope to catch you in the following cold months. Thank you so much for making my immigration anxiety bearable. Hugs. That was just. What a story, Domovoy.
- [28:56]
A
I. I expected it to be scary. It's demonic.
- [28:59]
B
I mean, it sounds kind of like demon.
- [29:00]
A
Demon Domovoid to me without knowing what it is. Sounded like a name of a. Some sort of spirit entity. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's precious. I wonder, does a Dom. Do they. I wonder if they last forever. Like we've lived in this house for over 30 years now I'm wondering like, is the dumblevoi, like just so tired of us and waiting for a new family or like, like after 30 years do you get to tap out and someone else. Well, it switches in for you.
- [29:28]
B
It sounds like they're very like, that's their whole thing is they just protect the house.
- [29:33]
A
All right, I wonder like, what about abandoned houses?
- [29:37]
B
I know that's. And that's also what she was saying with. With. She doesn't know how it works with like an apartment or like new builds. Like, how does that work? You know what I mean? Like, are there curious. A distribution system as she said?
- [29:51]
A
I wonder if there's rooms that even the Domavoy doesn't like in his own house that he has to protect. And he's like, I don't want in that dirty little basement, you know?
- [29:58]
B
Well, that's probably why he takes all the stuff and is like, can you do something about this? Here's your blouse.
- [30:03]
A
I like to think your dumb of white hunkers down in the basement where nothing is. So he can just like try. He covers his ears and eyes. Have to think.
- [30:11]
B
Yeah, he just rocks back and forth.
- [30:13]
A
Just please leave me alone. Please.
- [30:15]
B
Just please. And I feel like he's probably hidden so many of my things and I haven't even noticed because I'm like, well, I mean like look around. I mean, it's just like I wouldn't even notice. You could probably. I mean the number of things I just lose. I remember I lost my like airpods and they appeared on my sink after the cleaning folks had like Lysol did and just some weird.
- [30:35]
A
I see. I don't think my dumb boy is. I think maybe he's hard of hearing because I will actively say out loud. I wasn't saying to the dumb of it, but I was saying whoever is here and maybe took my stuff, can I please have that back? I really didn't want. It doesn't work.
- [30:49]
B
It usually works for me, but maybe you need to be nicer to your Domavoy.
- [30:55]
A
I think mine just likes to take Naps. And always when I lose things, it's when he's in the middle of a nap and not working, he's like off the clock, you know, I see.
- [31:03]
B
He just like steals your. And then clocks out.
- [31:07]
A
This correspondence. As I said earlier, this is from Bri, who is a she. Her pronouns. Thank you for normalizing pronouns, Bri. And the title is which I love. An Embarrassing Third Man Experience.
- [31:21]
B
What could that mean?
- [31:23]
A
And Brie says hello, and that's why I drink family and lemon. I was listening to episode 360 where M talks about third man syndrome and was shocked to learn there was a name for something I'd experienced when I was six years old. I was even more shocked to hear it normally happens to those in danger or life threatening situations, because mine definitely was not. And for those who don't remember, a third man syndrome is when usually like, if you're in a car accident, you have. They think it's some sort of hallucination that, like someone helps you out of the car, but then that person never existed.
- [31:56]
B
It's almost like you have a companion in the. So, for example, it's oftentimes described to people who are doing very dangerous outdoor treks and things like that where, you know, you're on. You're in like a very solitary space. Like I think that guy who climbed Everest, like, he was one of the early, like writers of third man syndrome. And it's like you feel like there's a, like a presence there with you.
- [32:21]
A
Yeah. And then when something. If something happens to you, it's almost like a guardian angel experience where sometimes somehow people will end up outside of their car and they remember someone dragging them out of the car. But then when they come to, nobody was there and somehow they got out of the car on their own.
- [32:35]
B
And sometimes it's just like they're just there as a companion until you're like found.
- [32:39]
A
Yeah, sometimes. Or to talk you through it stuff. So anyway, curious what happens here. My terrible emergency at age 6 was getting stuck in my swimsuit.
- [32:50]
B
No, by the way, I know how scary that.
- [32:54]
A
I know that feeling.
- [32:55]
B
So scary.
- [32:55]
A
It's so suffocating.
- [32:56]
B
Six year old. Yeah.
- [32:58]
A
It was summer, which meant no one was inside when I experienced this mortal peril.
- [33:03]
B
We.
- [33:04]
A
We were at a lake with a small. With a small cove that held several houses in a semicircle. And everyone was talking, barbecuing or whatever it is adults did. We were off playing. I had been out of the water for a while, but my swimsuit was damp and I Had to pee. So getting the one piece off wasn't the problem, but getting it back on was. And I didn't know I could just pull it to the side until I joined my swim team years later.
- [33:27]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eventually you learn all the tricks.
- [33:30]
A
I feel like my mom taught me that early on because the last thing she wanted to do was the inconvenience of having to redress me.
- [33:37]
B
I'm barbecuing or whatever adult adults do. Leave me alone.
- [33:40]
A
I think I learned the pull to the side trick the second I could use the bathroom.
- [33:44]
B
Yeah, I already taught Leona that because she. She literally wears a leotard to dance class. And I'm like, I'm not taking your tights off and your ballet slippers and your leotard.
- [33:54]
A
I think. I think we. I had a quote. I don't know about lazy mom, but certainly a mom who didn't want to be bothered. And I understand it totally now. And I. I guess you're also one of those moms who doesn't want to be bothered if you don't have to be.
- [34:06]
B
Certainly. Well, I at least want to teach her the trick. Tricks. It's not that I don't want to be bothered. I just want to teach her the tricks so that these scary things like getting trapped in a bathing suit are less likely to happen because I've been.
- [34:17]
A
There, and it is nice of you.
- [34:19]
B
Scary experience.
- [34:20]
A
I just wouldn't want to be bothered. So I guess it runs the family.
- [34:23]
B
I mean, I know I was a.
- [34:26]
A
Chunky child, so this made this made the task more difficult. I got. It got stuck halfway on, and then.
- [34:32]
B
It'S, like, damp, and it's like, oh, it can't. Like, when you have wet jeans and you can't.
- [34:36]
A
Oh, it got stuck halfway on and didn't move, no matter how hard I tugged or pulled. And it hurt. No one could hear me crying. So I looked in the bathroom window that overlooked the neighbor's driveway to see if anyone was there, and no luck. I continued to cry and tried to fix the swimsuit. And just when I was about to give up, I looked out the window again, and there was a woman with curly red hair and a white dress standing there looking right at me, which.
- [35:03]
B
The universe was like, okay, who do we send? Who do we send? Oh, do we really have to send the intern? Bring her down free.
- [35:09]
A
Yeah. I didn't recognize her, but the neighbor rented their house out, so that wasn't strange for me. Okay. She smiled at me, and I remember an overwhelming feeling of safety, knowing that she was going to come and help me. I heard the screen door open and shut a moment later, and then there she was. She was. She never said anything, but her hands were gentle, and she never stopped smiling. As soon as she was done, she left.
- [35:37]
B
That's really nice.
- [35:38]
A
When I found my mom later, she was with our neighbor, and I asked who the pretty lady with the red hair was, and she didn't know who I was talking about. She wasn't renting at the time either, since she and her family were currently there.
- [35:50]
B
I have goose cam just like the pretty lady. Like, that's so sweet.
- [35:55]
A
No one knew who this strange woman was, and when I told my mom what happened, she said it must have been my guardian angel. That's really nice, because I. If I hadn't been there and I heard my kids say a random lady came in and, like, played with my.
- [36:08]
B
Bathing suit while I was naked, I.
- [36:10]
A
Would have been like, who the is this woman? Yeah.
- [36:13]
B
Especially nowadays. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But.
- [36:16]
A
But I like to think your mom just had, like, a glass of wine in her hand. She's like, oh, she helped you all right, then.
- [36:20]
B
Yes. The Linda move. Like, yeah, this is an angel. Don't worry about it.
- [36:24]
A
Every now and then, I think of the kind lady who helped me in my dire time of need. I've never really spoken about it, though I did tell my paranormally skeptic husband about it once. And what I've never told anyone is that I think the lady was me.
- [36:37]
B
I was about to say that. Okay. Wow. I was literally thinking, I'm gonna try to guess what who it is. And I was like, hey, I was gonna ask at the end of the story, do you think it could be your higher self?
- [36:46]
A
Maybe. Yeah. I've always believed that your guardian angels are just future use.
- [36:51]
B
Oh, interesting.
- [36:53]
A
So it would be interesting if you just needed help and they just decided to show themselves instead of just kind of. I invisibly walk you through it.
- [37:01]
B
Instinctual feeling. This was you this time. Because I don't think all guardian angels, at least I don't think are like.
- [37:06]
A
But I've always had curly hair and started dying it red so long ago that no one remembers when it was blonde. I can't explain how it happened if that's the case, But m did mention once how our brains can't make up faces we don't know. And who would I trust more than myself? That's a great point. I'm so smart.
- [37:24]
B
You're about to say, who would first of all, I said that. Second of all, I like the idea that that. Wait, wait, say that sentence again.
- [37:35]
A
I'm so smart.
- [37:36]
B
No, no, thank you, though. The one that you read.
- [37:41]
A
I can't explain how it happened if that's the case, but M mentioned how our brains can't make up faces we don't know. And who would I trust more than myself?
- [37:47]
B
I thought it was about to say, who would I trust more than M? And I was like, good question. Nobody. Certainly not.
- [37:52]
A
I hope it's not a Haunting of Hill House scenario where I'm appearing to myself after I die. Because she didn't look that old and I've never seen her since. Sense. I'd love to hear your take on it. And if you've ever read, if you ever read this on the show.
- [38:05]
B
I know exactly. I mean, I don't know exactly, but I have a very, very strong gut intuition that you're going to have either an astral projection or some sort of dream and you're going to relive this out in the other perspective.
- [38:17]
A
That would be crazy.
- [38:18]
B
I really believe it because I've heard stories like that where you don't realize for decades, and then later you have a dream and you see your childhood self and it like clicks, where you're like, oh, my God, it's the other side of that. So I would be so curious. I mean, maybe you won't even remember the dream, but I would be so curious if you. If you happen to remember.
- [38:34]
A
I mean, I'm always craving that. I'm always craving that. That Reddit story of the guy who ended up seeing his younger self and older self.
- [38:43]
B
That was a Jim Harold original, I think, where he said like, oh, he was making a sandwich and a little kid ran past and he was like, that was weird. And then years later, I'm sorry, he was a little kid, he ran past the door and saw a man in a hoodie making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Got scared, ran away. Then like years later, was home visiting home and was making a peanut butter jelly sandw. And he goes, is there a kid out in the hallway? And was like, wait a minute, that's me. I love that story. It's so crazy.
- [39:09]
A
I see it on when I used to go on Reddit, it would pop up on Reddit all the time. So in my mind, it's a Reddit original, but I don't know where it came. I don't know who started it, but it's definitely something I aspire to have in my life. And so if you're going to have this, I think your idea of having a dream and now seeing the other perspective is so cool. So if you get to have the sandwich story, I'm going to be very jealous of you.
- [39:33]
B
I'm gonna be very happy for you. But yes, we can. I hope you update us if that happens.
- [39:39]
A
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A
I'll judge. That's fine.
- [41:24]
B
Hello. I listened to M cover the Third man phenomenon and was so comforted and surprised to find out that thousands of people have experienced the same thing I did. So I thought I would tell you my Story I was driving to my hometown from college to hang out with my best friend for her birthday weekend. Long story short, it was storming very heavily and a semi jackknifed across the freeway, which I barely avoided as I pulled off to the shoulder. Unfortunately, I got rear ended really hard by somebody who wasn't looking at the road. Four different cars were involved in the accident and my car was totaled. I remember feeling terrified and profoundly alone, especially since my parents were traveling out of the country and I knew they weren't there to help me. I got out of my car and as I saw the damage, I started to panic. Then a kind looking man approached me and said, are you all right? To which I responded, I don't know, and continued to cry and panic. He came closer and said, can I give you a hug? I agreed, and the man hugged me and quietly said, I got you. You're gonna be okay. I distinctly remember how soft his flannel was and how warm and dry he was. Was. This was odd because it was pouring rain outside and I was soaking wet and shivering from the cold after stepping out of the car for only one minute.
- [42:30]
A
Wow.
- [42:31]
B
This hug felt extremely comforting and was exactly what I needed in that moment. He then said, you need to get back in your car and call 91 1, okay? I began to do as he said, and when I turned around to thank him for his help, he was gone. I looked around to see if he was helping the people in the other cars, but he was nowhere to be seen. Reflecting on this moment now, I believe this was either a guardian angel slash third man, or it was my grandpa's spirit in some form. My grandpa always wore the same type of cozy, soft flannels that the man was wearing. I like to imagine that this was a guardian angel. And before he came down to help me, my grandpa stopped him and handed him one of his flannels to wear on his journey.
- [43:09]
A
Well, that's precious.
- [43:10]
B
Now I'm gonna cry. Oh, my God. I thought he was gonna stop and say, let me do this. Yeah, it's like, just take this flannel with you.
- [43:16]
A
She'll know what it means.
- [43:19]
B
My grandpa stopped him and handed him one of his flannels to wear on his journey. And I like that your grandpa somewhere is, like, giving you that little wink, like a nod.
- [43:28]
A
Yeah. He was like, I'm busy playing bridge, but you can have a flannel.
- [43:32]
B
I had plans, but I didn't, like, want to totally dismiss you.
- [43:35]
A
Right.
- [43:37]
B
One of his flannels to wear on his journey. Since he knew that would comfort his terrified granddaughter. I've been a longtime listener and absolutely love your podcast and saw you in Anaheim for your last tour. You guys are the best. Love you. That makes me just, like, teary eyed.
- [43:51]
A
If something happens to you right now, do you know who would come down and appear before you?
- [43:56]
B
Probably. Probably no one. Just kidding. Probably. Well, my Domavoy is busy rocking himself to sleep in the basement, so, I.
- [44:04]
A
Don'T know, just rocking himself until we finally let him fill out his application to the institution to move somewhere else.
- [44:10]
B
Oh, yeah, I don't know. Do you know who?
- [44:15]
A
No. I always think it'll be my grandpa, but the last time he showed up was like, so long ago. None of mine ever tired of me.
- [44:20]
B
Yeah, none of mine ever show up. I don't know what they're think they're busy.
- [44:24]
A
I had a long period of time where I thought my grandpa was just always next to me. And maybe he is now, but he's definitely faded. And I'm kind of wondering if he's just bored of me or if it's like his time is up. I don't know what the deal is, but now I don't know who would appear inside it. I imagine to be one of my grandparents.
- [44:41]
B
Yeah, I would like to think so, but they didn't like me very much in lifetime, so I don't know if there's.
- [44:49]
A
If there's like a chance that it would be somebody I don't recognize. I think it would be my. My grandmother's aunt named Tilly. Aunt Tilly. Because I have some weird connection with her that I can't explain. I've obviously never met her, but. But there's something about her that really.
- [45:09]
B
I mean, we talked about it. You brought me photos, and I was like, this. This is a character you got here in your family.
- [45:15]
A
I think she was gay. Well, yeah, I think that helps. But, yeah, so maybe she'd show up. But also, like, I've obviously never been in that intense of danger for her to show up or anyone for that matter.
- [45:27]
B
You had your, like, heart restarted in an ambulance?
- [45:29]
A
Yeah, saw no one. So maybe they're just like, I saw Brad.
- [45:32]
B
Maybe he was your guardian angel.
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A
Thanks, EMT Brad. I like to think that my grandpa was like, brad's got it. I don't want to.
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B
Yeah, he's like, I don't want Brad to borrow my flannel. He's gonna get blood all over it.
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A
And you would think my grandparents would show up because they're responsible for this. Heart that I got. Like, they gave it to me. So you think they'd be in the corner going, I'm so sorry.
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B
Hey, it's not their fault. They were giving it too.
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A
Yeah, but I'm gonna blame them because I only know what they look like. But anyway, yeah, no one has appeared yet, so I guess they probably just watched from above and went, oh, this is formative. Well, I hope they have a good time alone with it. Let's see. I think this is my last one. This is. Is this my last one? Yes, this is, I think, our last one.
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B
Yep, I think it's the last one.
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A
Okay. This is from Megan, who uses your pronouns. Thank you for normalizing pronouns. And your subject line is, the third man saved my mom's life. Oh, cool. Everyone's got a third man but me, so.
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B
All right, let's say. Let's take a moment to count our blessings that we don't have a many opportunities to meet a third man.
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A
This. Well, what if I got. I got stuck in my swimsuit, too, you know?
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B
Well, you don't seem quite as traumatized about it as maybe this person was.
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A
Megan says hello. And that's why we drink. Team My name is Megan, and I just finished listening to M's telling of third man syndrome. This is something that has always fascinated me because the way I see it, there are two likely scenarios which are equally rad to think about. Either ghost slash guardian angels exist, or our brains can create intentional beneficial hallucinations as a form of internal meta communication.
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B
Yeah, that's. That's fascinating. That's like. That's what I think is so cool. It's like, even if it's not supernatural, that's incredible that our brains can create, like, a hallucination that can save you your own life. Yeah.
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A
Can talk to ourselves. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. That's amazing.
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A
I am 95 of a clinical psychologist. I am finishing my doctorate degree and graduating later.
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B
Yeah. When was this sent? Maybe they already got it.
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A
Probably did, since I. They just finished listening to my episode from a long. Oh, yeah.
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B
Congrat. If you. I mean, I'm sure you nailed it, Megan. Congrats, Dr. Megan.
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A
And even though I do believe in ghosts, I must say, the hallucination explanation of third man syndrome is the one I am backing, especially since it hit very close to me in 2021. In April of that year, I found out that my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. She ended up getting a double mastectomy, followed by chemo and radiation therapy. And the doctor's consensus was that if she waited a moment longer to see a doctor, the cancer would have met metastasized. Three years later, she's cancer free. But it will always stick with me. The story of how she first realized something was wrong. She was just having a normal day, felt totally normal and was doing housework, mundane life stuff. Then out of nowhere, she hears a voice around her say, go to a doctor. You have breast cancer. Oh my God.
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B
Oh my God.
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A
What a terrifying voice to hear.
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B
I'd be like, that's. Oh, that's my ocd.
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A
Wow. And her.
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B
That's my intrusive thought.
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A
Yeah, it's like you almost hope someone will say that because you almost have that. I at least I would have thought, like I at least have a moment of hope because if I heard a voice warning me, that means like, it's not too late.
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B
My brain didn't even go there. But that's a really good point. Like it's at least a hopeful thing. Like, oh, if they're warning me, there's maybe something we can do about it.
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A
There's a chance. Like you're not gonna. Hopefully my guardian angel wouldn't tell me after it's too late. Yeah. Whoops.
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B
Haha. Sucker. You're joining me soon. What?
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A
Yeah, exactly. Go to. Go to the doctor. You have breast cancer. And her hand, of its own accord, flies up to her bre and touches the exact spot. She would later find out where the tumor is. Oh my God.
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B
It's your intuition. It's your intuition.
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A
She hadn't been for her annual in three years. AKA get checked. Please, everybody.
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B
I don't think I've ever gotten checked for that.
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A
I think we're supposed to at 40.
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B
Okay. I was gonna say I think I'm.
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A
But maybe the numbers dropped. But they said she knew in that moment. Oh, she said in that moment she knew she had to go in. Two weeks later she's calling me with the official diagnosis and she's been expedited surgery. My mom is an adamant atheist and has never had a supernatural or paranormal experience in her life. She says she genuinely has no idea what this voice was or how it knew she was sick. But if it hadn't told her and shown her, she most likely would have gone to the doctor once it was too late. Unfortunately, the research on these experiences possibly being strategic hallucinations by the brain as a survivor, as a survival mechanism, is essentially non existent instant. But the possibility is right in line with how insanely complex and unfathomable the human brain is. And 2 it means that we all have a little. A little guardian angel 247 built in, which. That's very precious. So cool.
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B
It's like your higher self almost. Even if it is, like, just psychological, it sort of is your higher self. Your intuition is like, yeah, something's wrong, and I need you to know, even though it's just you, especially on a.
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A
Random day, to just have that thought, like, just pop in. The fact that your. Your something is working in overdrive and.
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B
You'Re not even aware of it and is, like, breaking through the monotony of the day, like, knock, knock. I have something. Oh, it's so cool.
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A
The second part makes me feel a bit nicer. The second part, that we have a guardian angel built in, makes me feel a bit nicer towards my brain, who is otherwise mentally ill and requires medication to function, because at least when the cards are down, maybe it can save my life one day. Thank you for taking the time to read all this and keep doing what you're doing, because we're. We. Because we got this. Brethren's in anxiety.
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B
Brethren's in anxiety. Hell, yeah. That's relatable.
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A
Anyway, thank you. That's. Thank you, Megan, for that story.
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B
Wow. I'm glad your mom's doing okay. What a scary. Because then you wonder, like, well, then why do some people get saved and why do some people nod and why do some people hear a voice and some don't? You know, it's just all very confusing and overwhelming to me, but I just. I love to hear these, like, anecdotes where It's. Where things ended. Ended well. So I do appreciate Eva for putting good vibes into this series of stories.
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A
Yeah, I. We never got an epilogue on your mom, but hopefully she's doing okay now. So.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Man, those are some. I love a third man story.
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B
I know. Me too. Those are great. And I love that they're. We got, like, the span of, like, psychological. Like, they believe it was psychological versus, like, an actual guardian angel.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Wearing grandpa's flannel. You know, like, what a cool.
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A
I mean, it would also make sense if it is your brain, that it would bring in comfort, like.
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B
Yeah. Something familiar. Yeah. Yeah.
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A
Yeah, boy. Well, I don't know, man. Those are. Those are all great.
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B
Well, we just broke our way into 2025, kicked the door off the hinges, and said gently, close 2024, and let's get into 25 and kick ass. Yes.
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A
Hopefully everyone's guardian angels and or third men and or brains are on high alert, and we're all looking out for each other.
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B
Let's be on high alert, but also rest.
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A
I'm going to be on high alert. You be on rest and then we'll switch off next year.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Happy January. Happy 2025. Good luck out there.
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B
We'll see you when we see you. You can go to and that's why you drink.com for any information you might need. We're on tour right now starting next month. Month. So go check out our tickets. And that's why we drink.com live. You can follow us on Patreon Atwd podcast, which is also our socials. You can find Mthz and me at Xteen Sheifer.
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A
And that's why we drink.