“Diddy Doc is Worse than Life is Prison” | How 50 Cent Ended Diddy's Career

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Andrew Schulz’s Flagrant with Akaash Singh

Episode: “Diddy Doc is Worse than Life is Prison” | How 50 Cent Ended Diddy's Career
Date: December 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Flagrant features Andrew Schulz, Akaash Singh, AlexxMedia, and Mark Gagnon breaking down the explosive Netflix documentary about Sean “Diddy” Combs. The discussion covers the doc’s most shocking revelations, alleged crimes, Diddy's quest for power, 50 Cent’s role in Diddy’s downfall, and the shifting landscape of music industry gatekeeping. The group debates whether Diddy can recover from the doc’s impact—even more than his prison sentence—and touches on hip hop history, accountability, and power dynamics, all in the show’s signature unfiltered, comedic style.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Diddy Doc: Initial Reactions

• Timestamps: [07:06]–[10:01]
• All four hosts watched (or at least skimmed) the new Netflix docuseries on Diddy, with Andrew admitting, “I watched one episode.” The doc is described as “a worldwide Sensation. It's number one in 32 countries according to 50 Cent, who texted me.”
• The opening reaction: The sheer amount of new information and the “phenomenal” slant of the documentary caught them off guard.

2. The City College Tragedy – Diddy’s Early “Getaway”

• Timestamps: [11:02]–[14:27]
• The hosts dissect the 1991 City College incident where nine people were crushed to death at an oversold Diddy-promoted event, noting:
  • Diddy’s alleged overbooking (by 2,000 tickets) and under-spending on security led to tragedy.
  • “Only $500 spent on crowd control.” – [13:57]
  • They assert this was Diddy’s first brush with evading accountability, using positive PR to shield himself: “He would use that as a shield. Like Pablo Escobar did charity. He still was a drug kingpin.” – Akaash, [14:14]

3. The Biggie-Tupac Murders – Diddy’s Alleged Involvement

• Timestamps: [14:27]–[19:47]
• The pod unpacks the doc’s argument that Diddy played an indirect and possibly direct role in the deaths of Tupac and Biggie.
  • Notable alleged claims:
    • Diddy placed a million-dollar bounty on Pac and Suge; Kefe D and Southside Crips were entangled.
    • Diddy pressured Biggie to stay in LA for a party “to show that he wasn’t pussy,” leading to Biggie’s death: “Diddy thought it was important to say fuck you to them and throw a party in la. ... And that's the party where Biggie gets guy.” [17:47]
  • “Documentaries can edit, but, like, they make that seem fairly strong.” – Mark, [15:56]
  • The cultural shock of their deaths recounted: “This was shock. This was like sadness. You just couldn’t believe that this was real.” – Andrew, [19:37]

4. Diddy’s Ruthless Power Game: Control, Jealousy, and Exploitation

• Timestamps: [21:04]–[32:10]
• Hosts discuss Diddy’s predilection for controlling those around him, both professionally and personally:
  • “He’s always kept like one foot in the streets.” – Andrew, [21:23]
  • Diddy’s career characterized as a quest for absolute power, manipulating artists’ careers, financial dealings, and relationships.
  • “He would take money out of your deal for recording time in his studio. ... He would appear in the music video and then pay himself a talent fee for being in the video.” – Akaash, [27:56]
  • Manipulation extended to artist relationships, exemplified by his withholding of financial or career opportunities.

5. Gatekeepers & Hip Hop’s Old Power Structure

• Timestamps: [32:21]–[34:46]
• The doc and the hosts describe the label system’s tight grip in the ‘90s and early 2000s:
  • “Only two ways you can make legacy money in hip hop is through Russell Simmons or Andre Harrell. Think about that level of power.” – Andrew, [33:02]
  • On MTV/BET era: “If you wanted to see music, you had to turn on one of those two channels. ... There was no YouTube stuff.” – [33:36]

6. Power and Sexuality Allegations – The Cassie Situation & Others

• Timestamps: [22:12], [38:39]–[42:31], [45:44]–[47:41]
• Several segments discuss Diddy’s alleged use of sex as a function of dominance and power, including:
  • Claims of grooming and abuse toward Cassie; physical violence is discussed as “disgusting.”
  • Notoriously bizarre behavior, e.g., “the Stud, the bull that they brought through” and collecting semen for unknown reasons:
    “They collected my nut in a cup... for months at a time until one day I was like, ‘Why are you guys collecting my nut?’” – [46:00]
  • The doc and guests highlight how Diddy’s sexual exploits are portrayed as “a power thing,” not love or pleasure.

7. The Doc’s Destructive Power – Worse Than Prison?

• Timestamps: [61:32]–[66:17]
• The hosts assert the Netflix doc is potentially more damaging than Diddy’s (surprisingly short) 50-month prison sentence:
  • “He could watch this doc while it's still trending. ... The doc is way more damaging than jail. ... I don't know if anybody can recover from this.” – Andrew, [61:19–62:06]
  • Diddy’s attempts at persuasive PR and public image rehab are discussed, but they doubt he’ll regain his public standing.

8. The 50 Cent Factor – How 50 Ended Diddy’s Career

• Timestamps: [66:11]–[66:48]
• The group howls at the poetic justice of 50 Cent, himself a product of New York street beef, orchestrating Diddy’s downfall:
  • “Becomes a phenomenal storyteller, ... just to build up the cachet to make a documentary about one of his arch nemeses and destroy his life while profiting off of it.” – Andrew, [66:17]

9. Can Diddy Rehab? Pardon Schemes, Media, and the Future

• Timestamps: [69:02]–[75:07]
• They speculate on Diddy’s next moves:
  • A jailhouse conversion? “He could convert to Islam.”
  • Leaning into controversy or a PR comeback, perhaps “doing his own thing” or a podcast circuit.
  • Pardon possibilities and how “the doc makes him so radioactive he can't get a pardon.” [72:00]
  • Commentary on presidential pardon powers and how public perception (and virality) can now override old paths to redemption.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “The doc is way more damaging than jail. ... The doc just cooked him on a level that a prison sentence never could.” – Andrew, [61:32]
• “You guys watched the entire thing. ... What do you guys think will be the most interesting content for our listeners? And how many episodes each of us watched or discussing the actual documentary?” – Andrew, [09:45]
• “Diddy's career characterized as a quest for absolute power, manipulating artists’ careers, financial dealings, and relationships.” – Paraphrased, summary of [21:04]–[32:10]
• “If I am Jay Z, I am terrified.” – Andrew, on 50 Cent’s power with documentaries, [66:49]
• “I think I'd rather my enemy have a gun than a documentary. ... Imagine someone gave you a Golden Globe for shooting you in the head. That's what documentaries are.” – Andrew, [65:55]
• “Do not mess with 50. Do not make him a mortal enemy of yours. … That is a horrible decision.” – Andrew, [77:41]

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Timeline of Important Segments

• [07:06] – First reactions to the Diddy doc
• [11:02] – City College incident and Diddy’s evasion of responsibility
• [14:27] – Diddy’s role in Biggie and Tupac’s deaths
• [21:04] – Diddy’s quest for power and connections to the streets
• [33:02] – The old gatekeeper system of hip hop
• [38:39] – Sexual abuse, Cassie, and power dynamics
• [61:32] – Is the doc worse than prison?
• [66:11] – 50 Cent’s “God’s work” and the art of revenge
• [69:02] – Diddy’s likely attempts at comeback and the power of PR
• [74:58] – Presidential pardons, legal deep dives, and redemption mechanics
• [77:41] – Closing advice and Patreon tease

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Tone & Style

True to Flagrant’s branding, the conversation is irreverent, explicit, and quick to shift from comic bits to thoughtful breakdowns of hip hop history, systemic abuse, and the realities behind celebrity. The group is self-aware about the lines between gossip, industry rumor, and documented fact, often punctuating claims with “allegedly.” Throughout, they weave in their own New York upbringing, comedy instincts, and skepticism about media narratives.

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Final Takeaways

• The Diddy doc is framed as a culturally seismic moment—potentially more career-ending and reputation-obliterating than jail.
• Diddy’s legacy, according to the pod, is a cautionary tale of unchecked power, manipulation, and eventual reckoning.
• The episode blends genuine outrage and fascination with relentless, wild humor… and a clear message: never make an enemy of 50 Cent.

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Transcript

[A]

Yo, are we drinking or what?

[B]

It's all it is.

[C]

We can't start. Please.

[A]

You might have to get something, please. Because Al is saying sentences with more than three words. And once. Once you get past three words, you don't know what's coming out.

[C]

You never know.

[A]

Let's go, Secret Santa.

[D]

That's good. All those are three Santa.

[A]

Hey, man.

[B]

But once you get into the multi salamic, bro, you get fucked up. You do get fucked up.

[C]

That was fire, what you just said.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

Yeah, I was watching. What was the guy Gene Deal. Do you know who that is? Know? He's like a Diddy guy. I don't know. He's like working with Diddy in the streets or some.

[C]

Okay, wait, was he on the dock?

[B]

No. You got cut out of the dock or. He did. He couldn't make it work his money. But he did an interview where you talking about it. I mean, New Yorkers are all the same, cuz. He was just trying to say what the director's name was and it up 30 times.

[A]

What was it?

[B]

The director's name is Alice Stapleton.

[A]

No, it's Alexandria.

[B]

Right, whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

He couldn't even get irony and the evidence.

[B]

Literally, he couldn't even get close, bro. He was like, yeah, man. You know, Al, Alice. Alice Staples. What's her name? And I kept on having to cut off trying to talk about.

[A]

Question is, is the gentleman you're talking about black? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Black people make no effort with white names. It's astonishing the amount of times when I would go up in hood shows that they would bring me up. Oh my God, Adam Schwartz. Don't y' all have enough amash?

[D]

I got a mosh for weeks in a row.

[A]

I was a mosh. Amash is good.

[D]

And no, not even sing. Y' all give it up for Amash. You Smokey? Smokey.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Shout out, Smokey. You're still Oshkosh for a lot of black comics.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait, don't we have enough?

[D]

What?

[C]

Oshkos. You have enough stuff like we can get your name wrong. It's fine.

[A]

Yo, I hate this Marxist mentality. That's. Yeah, that has seeped its way into the podcast.

[B]

Postmodern Marxism.

[A]

Yeah, this is Marxism.

[D]

We're leftist now.

[C]

Happy about this?

[A]

No, but Al and his Marxism.

[B]

Yeah, he's a fucking cultural Marxist.

[A]

You're a cultural Marxist. Don't you have a. No. Yeah, dude. Don't you have enough? No, we don't have. Don't you have enough podcast studios? How many podcast Studios.

[B]

Don't you have enough pockets on your pants?

[A]

Don't you have enough pockets, Al?

[B]

When is it enough?

[C]

What do you have one more holding suit? So I'm just letting y' all know.

[A]

I'm just letting y' all know. I keep always trying to follow his gun.

[C]

Y' all keep up with the jokes, all right? Keep up.

[A]

Yo, can we just say. Can we just announce on the podcast that Alex got a license to carry a concealed weapon?

[B]

Yes. Let's go.

[A]

Concealed weapon.

[B]

So do that.

[A]

The government thinks I'm safe. All right, so you. You can carry a. When does that come in?

[D]

Actually, he's not getting a gun.

[A]

They're still doing more background checks.

[D]

Not going to happen.

[C]

You have to write a letter for me.

[D]

But don't.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

How is he? Why is he going?

[A]

Because he did, like, a good.

[C]

He does, like, good, like, best men speeches and all that type of stuff. I think he's gonna write a fire letter.

[A]

I'm not writing a letter.

[C]

A recommendation.

[D]

Yeah, he's gonna write a letter.

[A]

You're gonna shoot somebody.

[C]

He's gonna get a.

[A]

You're gonna shoot somebody. And then it's gonna be partially my responsibility because I was, you know, the one who got you the gun.

[B]

There you go.

[C]

Now, that's more street cred for you.

[A]

Do they know that you were arrested in Sweden? Do they know that you were arrested in Sweden? Do they know that you were arrested in Sweden?

[C]

They do not.

[A]

But do they know that. Month in jail in Sweden? Do they know that you spent a month in jail in Sweden?

No, it's not. They have no clue that your name is. There's no way they could possibly know that.

[B]

You got to blurp that.

[A]

Yeah, blurp that. You could blurp two out of three times that I said his name is.

You got to blur all that, bro.

[D]

Stop.

[A]

So they're going to give you a gun, nail polish and a gun. Are you playing up the gay when you go in there?

[C]

Yo, Big Ant.

[A]

Yeah, Big Ant. Oh, yo, Big. Yo, shout out, Big Ant. Yo, we got big. Only gay drill rapper. Yo, big ass.

[C]

I'm not gay, so don't try me.

[A]

You're what?

[C]

I said I'm not gay, so don't try me.

[A]

Why you even say that right now?

[B]

We're not even talking a little bit.

[A]

You think he could take it?

[C]

He looks. He. He. You know, he's a size. I sizing him up.

[A]

You know what his nickname for you is?

[C]

No.

[A]

Food bank.

Big Ant is hungry. Shout out to the food bank in New York City. Shout out to Food bank nyc. But real Big Ant, we need you to pull up on a podcast, get a clip of Big Ant up. We need to watch that one from Patreon because. Yes, because big ants really do too.

[B]

That one right there.

[A]

New Yorker the week. New Yorker the week goes to Big aunt.

[D]

Yeah. New York City gay drill rapper. Like la la boom.

The first New York City gay drill rapper. I'm always valid at any street side walking. You heard what they said.

[A]

Muddy? Like what that means?

[D]

That's my n. Like, that's.

[A]

That's.

[D]

That's my. Like, what's up?

[C]

Okay, hilarious.

[D]

I got the 380 in my purse with me.

[C]

You better duck.

[B]

With the head. Woman is fire, bro.

[A]

How did I learn that? How did they learn that?

[D]

I love this guy, dude.

[A]

Oh, Big Ant.

[C]

See, and then they turn that off.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Now you know how we feel.

[C]

The yo.

[A]

Yeah. Now we know how we feel.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

What you mean by that?

[A]

Yeah, what did you mean by that? You said it back. You cuz you're white and so am I and I just thought it was the right thing to do.

[B]

Well, you never been talking to a black guy and he gets scared really fast.

[A]

No, I was scared that Alex is wearing his pants right now. I want to know how he got him. I want to know that you and Big Ant got the exact same bottoms on. I want to know if you've been. I want to know if you've been tr. Changing a little bit.

[C]

Big get swaggy.

[B]

Big take you shopping.

[A]

Be honest. Yo, did he take you shopping? Did he take you shopping or not?

[D]

Is he on your Pinterest, though?

[C]

I took Big Ant shop.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[C]

Come on, man.

[A]

Yeah, right.

Look at Big Ant. Come on now. Fly n Big A. Take you shopping, bro. Get what you want. Take you in a zar. Get what you want.

[C]

N. Don't do that. Because.

Is it.

[A]

Don't do what he or she?

[B]

That's Big Ant, bro. What do you mean?

[A]

Big Ant? Is it he. And he'll clap your cheeks, spit on your back. You want to get your back spit on? No, but you know how Big Ant just clap your cheeks, rest his Glock on your head. Yeah.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yo, look at Big Ant, bro. A superstar is born.

[D]

Truly, dude.

[A]

Superstar is born.

[C]

Glocky boo.

[B]

Is that what they g said?

[A]

Yo, New York of the week. That's a good one. That's New Yorker the Week. 100%. Big Ant. Listen. Also New Yorker of the week, Diddy.

This shit was phenomenal. How Many episodes have y' all seen?

[D]

I saw the whole.

[A]

You saw the whole?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Four down.

[A]

Four down. Okay.

[D]

We all saw it.

[A]

Holy moly.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It's funny how this.

[A]

In the group chat, everybody make sure.

[C]

You watch the Diddy shit. How many episodes you watch?

[A]

I watched all four of them.

[C]

Why you lying? Did you this motherfucker seen one episode?

[A]

No, it's motherfucker. What I say in the group chat? I said, make sure y' all have seen at least one episode. This shit is amazing.

[D]

I think you said. Then you said. Then you said actually watch two. You know what?

[A]

I knew.

[D]

Who not gonna watch four.

[A]

Did I say maybe watch three?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I got a child. Okay. I got a child. Mark's in Chicago. Amanda, his children. Yeah, I was in the Chicago. That's right. Big ant, clapping cheeks, spinning on your back. That okay.

[D]

Oh, my God. So you watch one episode?

[A]

Yeah, I watch one episode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's. Wait, what's wrong with that? Why are we shaming me for watching one episode?

[B]

He lives in New York. He's from the streets. He knows what happened.

[D]

You know how rarely he sends mandates on pod. Everybody watch three episodes. Everyone on the couch? Yeah. Why you. Why you separating the couch, by the way? Why you separating the couch?

[A]

Taking a separated couch. What does that mean?

[D]

Everyone on the couch watch at least one episode. Oh, just because you got a chair.

[A]

Get rid of the couch. I'm trying to get rid of the couch. No, I'm trying to get rid of the chair. I mean, I'm trying to get rid of the chair. I am trying to get rid of the chair. This should be all couches only.

[C]

Yo, Wait a way to couches.

[A]

Yeah, I've been asking for couches for three fucking weeks. How many people are going to ask for a goddamn couch? Can we get back to this, though? Have you guys ever watched anything I've asked in the history of this podcast? The first time you do it is you did it.

[D]

You told us to watch.

[A]

I should have been doing that in the past. I should have been doing that in the past.

[D]

Oh, God. We miss Yellowstone. Oh, I'm so, so. I'm so sorry. The fucking cultural phenomenon of Karen Costner as a cowboy.

[C]

That shit didn't slap the way you thought it slapped.

[A]

What? Yellowstone?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't hear anybody talking about it.

[D]

You gave up on it. What you talking about?

[A]

Who gave up on it? Who gave up on it? I've watched all the other things from Yellowstone world. I watched 1923. I watched 1948. I've watched all the Yellowstones.

[B]

I didn't even know what that is.

[A]

Yes, the Yellowstone world is. You know, the Dutton Ranch has existed before our time. Really. And I found the story of how it came came to be.

[D]

You watch one episode of that, too?

[A]

I watched, yeah. No, I watch. I cleared through those seasons. I'm just. I'm going back on Stranger Things right now, but back to Diddy. Stop trying to get off the topic.

[B]

Why are y' all trying to cover.

[D]

Anybody getting off like Diddy?

[A]

You guys watched the entire thing. You guys are both on flights across the country. Yeah, exactly. So you have no excuse. Okay? You. You watch it.

[C]

Yeah, I was sick, so I had something to watch.

[A]

All right, do you guys want to discuss it or do you want to discuss how many episodes we watched?

[C]

Fucking.

[A]

What do you guys think will be the most interesting content for our listeners? And how many episodes each of us watched or discussing the actual documentary? The worldwide Sensation. It's number one in 32 countries according to 50 Cent, who texted me.

[C]

Yeah. Whoa. How long did it take you to.

[A]

Get through the fourth episode?

[B]

What do you mean?

[C]

No, I'm just saying we were still talking about.

[A]

Oh, from the top, from the top, from the top. I'll bail you out. All right, all right. Don't even bail him out.

[B]

I know.

[C]

We need sound effect.

[A]

Joey, right there.

[C]

We need sound effects.

[A]

I needed to know.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I needed to know. How many episodes you think it would take Joey, to find one Sound effect?

You know what I mean? We're not gonna get single. We're not gonna get another couch. I've been asked for another couch for a month.

[D]

Here we go.

[C]

Real talk.

[D]

You've been asking for couch since pre Australia.

[A]

Pre Australia, Right, son.

[D]

Seasons ago.

[A]

I've been asking for Internet for the last two months. We finally had Internet. There was a woman in a Hillary Clinton suit walking around here. I was like, the Internet about to get worse. There's no way in hell this lady knows how to put the Internet in.

[B]

That was the WI FI lady.

[A]

The WI Fi.

[D]

She was just hacking emails, dude.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it was very interesting. Anyway, so documentary.

[B]

I mean, I. There's so many things that I did not know.

[D]

Like what?

[B]

Well, the city college thing, I had no idea about.

[D]

Oh, yeah. I had no clue about that.

[A]

I'll be honest, I didn't know about that either.

[C]

I knew about that. I didn't know nine people died. I thought people just got hurt.

[A]

Clue about the city College day. Why are we making a big deal over the Shine murder?

[B]

Well, that's also bad.

[D]

That's just one because Shine was awesome.

[C]

That's why you were talking about the shooting.

[D]

Yeah. Shine guy took the fall for it.

[B]

That was also more directly Diddy's involvement than the City College thing. Allegedly. I also don't know what is true and what's not, so I'm just gonna throw a million allegedly's out.

[A]

What's the allegation, Sean? Did you guys see how many allegedly's Netflix put out? Every time there was a statement about Diddy, it went to black screen. And then writing on the screen, beginning.

[D]

And end of every episode, same thing throughout.

[B]

Yeah. Ye.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I don't even know what every episode means.

[D]

What do you think I meant when I said every episode?

[C]

Two different things.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You're talking about how Netflix says, hey, we asked for a comment, and you're talking about at the end and the beginning of every episode. They said he got convicted.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You fucking dumb idiot. Okay. Oh, wow.

[C]

This shit is.

[A]

Al, just relax, man. Al, this is too much. That's too much for your brain. Al. Al, your brain can't do too many things at one time.

[D]

Yo, your nail polish pressing that shit looks crazy, dude. It looks crazy. Silly string coming out of nail coming from your region.

[B]

Why is it. Come on. All right, back to City College.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

It's fun, though.

[B]

What happened?

[A]

Give me the other one, Mark. Yeah, give me the other one.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

What happened at City College? Did you not watch any of the fucking episodes?

[D]

No.

[A]

No.

[D]

What are your thoughts on it? Because you said that was the crazy.

[A]

I was trying to. No, I think that was the crazy clarity to listeners who might not have also watched. Oh, okay. Sorry. This is a little disorganized here. Mark brought a toy, people.

[B]

Still.

[A]

And this is. We're not. We're not sure enough to do this podc guess with this toy here.

[B]

Have no idea.

[A]

There's a toy in the room. And people who didn't watch the doc.

[C]

Don'T know what the City College.

Sorry, Audio listen. N. My bad. Mark really brought a fire toy.

[D]

All right, so Diddy started as a party guy. He would promote parties. And then him and Heavy D, who was the biggest rapper maybe in the country at the time, definitely in New York. Had a power through.

[A]

Power through.

[D]

Had a rapper, like a musician. Basketball game at City College in Harlem.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And then they were filled up. They at capacity was like $12 to get in. But so many people tried to bum rush the doors, and they didn't realize the doors don't open out. You can't bum rush the doors.

[A]

That's exactly Nine people died. Crushed.

[D]

Nine people died.

[A]

And then I guess I. Diddy was like, 19. I'm trying to understand why this is Diddy's fault, I guess, for not hiring enough security.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And is like, do you blame him for that, or do you blame the people that are pushing into an event that they don't even have tickets for that crushed the other human beings right in front of him?

[B]

I think they also said he overbooked. That was the allegation.

[A]

He sold more tickets than he should have.

[B]

That's what the allegation was.

[D]

Well, he's approved that by more than 2,000.

[A]

Oh, if you if that, then that's.

[D]

Definitely only $500 spent on crowd control.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Also, this is the first time, I think they say, like, this is the first time you see him get away with some shit and just kind of deflect on the narrative and be like, I'm a positive black man trying to do positive things, and they're trying to bring me down. Which is kind of his go to narrative. Anytime he got in trouble.

[A]

I mean, he was doing positive things for the neighborhood.

[D]

Yeah. But he would hide behind that. He'd use that as a shield. Like, what's his name? Like, Pablo Escobar did charity. He still was a drug kingpin.

[A]

Killing. But at this time, he didn't do anything negative just yet.

[D]

No, but this is the first. I think they look at that as, like, oh, that's when he realized, oh, I can get away with some shit.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the first episode, there's a great thing about, like, his envy of Tupac.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And I forget exactly which character is saying it, but he's. He's basically saying he's like, here's the thing with Diddy. It's like Diddy is a marketer, which, at its core is a manipulator. And he has a resentment for talented people because people like them without manipulation. And this idea that, like, Diddy really treated everybody that was around him as his, like, wife. And to have that relationship with Biggie where he's envious of Tupac because Biggie and Tupac are connecting, obviously they're gonna connect more. They're both artists. They're both great at rapping. This is the thing that they've dedicated their lives to. Like, why would Biggie look up to Diddy over Tupac? It makes no fucking sense. Right? So. But him being so envious and so protective and maybe Looking at this massive investment that he just made, potentially leaving him for someone he respects more.

[D]

And he was trying to sign Pac and Pac was not with it.

[A]

Oh, yeah, obviously.

[C]

And Tupac was also putting Biggie on game in terms of the music business, how it operates, and he should restructure his contract. So that also was another piece of the puzzle that like got Diddy upset.

[A]

Is that episode two?

[D]

Yeah, I'm not even lying. Episode two, they really make it seem like, like Diddy's the reason both of them died.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

And again, documentaries, they have their slant you can edit, but like they make that seem.

[A]

I will.

[D]

Fairly strong.

[A]

I will say this. I don't think.

I don't know. I don't think, I don't think Diddy was involved in Tupac's death. I think it was a little bit more simple. It's like Tupac snuffed. Let me just get it out. Yeah. Tupac fights a high ranking.

High ranking Crip. Send some guys to go kill Tupac.

[D]

So what they say is that guy was a Southside Crip who was affiliated with Diddy. Diddy was got cool with the Southside Crips with somebody high up.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And then that guy had robbed one of Pac's people, I think, Right. And then Pac's Pac's boy that got robbed is like, yo, that's the motherfucker that robbed me.

[A]

Right?

[D]

So Pac just goes, gets his get back. But they're like, oh, this is the opportunity and then we can use this. And what's fucked up, man, is in weeks before that.

[C]

So Keefe D allegedly says that he had a conversation with Diddy and there was either a $2 million, $1 million or $1 million bounty on PAC and Shook.

[D]

Diddy said, I'll pay a million dollars you kill Pac and Suge.

[C]

So if you know that hit is on the street already and now he just started a fight with your guy. It's like, oh, this is perfect. We can get our get back and get paid. Imagine if there wasn't the incentive of making money.

[A]

Maybe I might not have taken it to that far.

[D]

It's a brutal scene, man. They, they say it, they, they shot him. Then they just pulled off, watch the ambulance pull up. And it was just like a brutal scene, man. It was brutal. Like it's just heartless.

[B]

And then apparently they stood there the whole time.

[A]

Yeah, they just watched it.

[B]

KVD says allegedly, like after the shooting, he was like, yeah, we just stood and watched the ambulance take him out.

[D]

Well, ambulance, but yeah.

[A]

So you think Diddy was involved? Yes. You think he was involved in Biggie's death too?

[C]

His involvement in retaliation? Death is more so ego. He's like, wanting to show that, hey, we're not scared. So Biggie was supposed to fly out to London to shoot some shit.

[D]

And he was like, they were gonna do European press. The first time a bad boy artist is doing the European press. Biggie was hyped. Biggie didn't wanna be in Cali. But Diddy was so upset by Hit him up. So upset by Suge taking shots at him, he was like, nah, we're gonna go there. I'm gonna make you do press. And then the day Biggie's supposed to fly out, Biggie wants the fuck out of Cali. He's like, this isn't safe for me. Everybody's told me I shouldn't be here. Diddy tells the guy that says number two that he eventually squeezes out of the company, his childhood friend. He goes, yo, Biggie's not going to LA or to London. He's going to this party with me. Staying in LA another day, Diddy thought it was important to say fuck you to them and throw a party in la. Fuck you to Death Row. We're gonna throw a party in enemy territory. And that's the party where Biggie gets guy.

[C]

So not like he ordered the hit, but because he just wanted to show that he wasn't afraid to be in.

[A]

The west, he wasn't pussy.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

That's what got Biggie.

[B]

Murder and then retaliation, obviously, for the pac.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Why retaliation for the Pac shit?

[D]

Well, people killed Biggie for a retaliation for Pac because they thought Biggie and Puff were behind us.

[A]

Got it, Got it.

[D]

And PAC thought Biggie and Puff, or Biggie and Puff were behind the first shooting. Especially Puff.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

The first time he got shot, that's where the whole rift started.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you remember when they died?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Like, could you put it on a scale? Like, is it the. Like, obviously rap is different now, but, like, I'm trying to wrap my head around the moment. Is it the equivalent of, like, the biggest rappers in America now getting killed?

[A]

Abraham Lincoln. That's the only thing I would compare Kendrick.

[C]

The. The amount of highlight that was on that. It was.

[D]

But tragedy. But, like, tragedy, I would.

[A]

I would say. And anger, I would say way more.

[C]

No, I don't think I like.

[A]

No, Drake. Kendrick is different. Drake. Kendrick was like, excitement around it. There are people like, oh, we got a beef. Here we go. This was shock.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

This was like, sadness. This was like, you couldn't believe it. Like, I remember we were. I was in middle school, so you must have been really young. Yeah, yeah. You were probably in, like, third grade or something like that.

[C]

Yeah, but I still remember.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was just like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You just couldn't believe that this was real. Also, at the end of the day, we're like kids and, like, we're, like, derivative from the street, right? Like, yeah, we're in New York and we see things happen, but it's not. Nothing really is gonna come of it. Right. These guys are in MTV with Carson Daly, who got painted nails.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it's not. It's not real. Two box in fucking movies that we would go watch. It's not real. Yeah. And then I got very.

[C]

We would be playing around, like, and be like, oh, West Coast, east coast, like, fighting with one another type of shit.

[D]

Like.

[C]

Yeah. It was a joke to us, right?

[A]

It was wrestling. Yeah, it was wrestling. And it was cool to have, like, you had, like, an identity in it as a kid. It's crazy how, like, people get wrapped up in the cult. But, like, just because we're from New York, we're like, man, fuck Tupac. He rhymes Hennessy with Enemy every song. You know what I mean? Like, we're just finding these reasons not to like Tupac. But, like, I like Tupac. I thought the music was great.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, it was. It was very. It was a weird time, man.

[D]

And again, edits are edits. But they really put this on Biggie. I mean, on Diddy. Like, Diddy was the guy, was the catalyst for this whole thing and poured a lot of gas on everything. And may or may allegedly put a hit out on Pac and Suge. And then he only paid 500, 000 because he's like, well, you only killed Pac.

[A]

That's far. I mean, it's tragic, obviously, but, like, this guy's so such a lunatic that he would do something like that. Like, what I thought was crazy about it was the. I never knew that he. I knew he was from Mount Vernon, but I never knew that. Like, his dad was a hustler.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I never knew that. And, like, he's proud of that. Yeah. You know, but it's kind of who got, like, killed. But the way that they frame it, that. That he was trying to be this hustler. Because I've spoken to other people who remain nameless whenever they've talked about him. They've always Said this about Diddy. Like he's always kept like one foot in the streets. And I go, what do you mean by that? Like what he's like, he's like, yeah. Like he's always. He's still connected with the street. And I'm like, I thought this guy's from like Mount Vernon. Like, I never connected him with streets at all. Right. And but seeing that, that was the aspiration and like seeing everything as a function of power. Like him trying to the hottest rapper's girl. It's not even because he likes a girl. No, it's just this, it's this, this expression of power. Yeah.

[B]

I.

[A]

The hottest rapper's girl.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm that powerful. And I think that's why he was doing the gay. Like sex just became a function of power.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like, what is more powerful than just a dude? Yeah, yeah, that's true. I don't even know if that sentence.

What is a greater expression. What is a greater expression of how powerful you are a straight guy.

[D]

Right.

[A]

So willing to you. Yeah. Simply because what you have spit on your back.

[D]

Well also a lot of times with one guy was saying in the last episode is like he'll drug you without you even realizing it.

[A]

Right.

[D]

And you'll just wake up and be like, what's going on? I'm sore what the happened. And it's just like, I think there's also. You hear this with sexual assault type. There's power dynamics involved in that.

[A]

I would say that too. If I was a guy who got by dick, I would say I got drugged too. Guys, I have a live stand up show announced. Great outdoors Comedy festival in Halifax. I've never even toured in Halifax and I'm coming out there. We got Mark Gagnon, Come with me. Cam Patterson is coming. Lucas Zelnick is coming. We're gonna put a hell of a show on out there in Halifax, Nova Scotia. The pre sale is tomorrow. The code is Andrew. It's going to be August 8th. That's the show. Halifax, you guys already know we're coming through and we're gonna light that on fire. I cannot wait to see you guys there. August in Nova Scotia as we all dreamed it. Also Rhode Island Comedy festival coming there March 28th. You can get tickets for all these [e-mail] Peace, guys.

[D]

I am done touring for the year 2025. Thank you guys so much. This is the biggest year we've ever had. Next year gonna be even bigger. I'm so excited. We Start off, it's going to be a lot of shows. Maybe too many. I might kill myself. So we're trying to still work out some schedule stuff, but January 8th through 10th, I'm in Pittsburgh. January 15th through 17th, I'm in Phoenix, Arizona. January 23rd, my favorite theater I've ever done. The only theater I've ever done until after this, but I'm at the Wilbur. Tickets are almost sold out for that show, so hurry up and buy. We added a show in Seattle. It's a Neptune Theater. January 30, January 31, Revolution hall in Portland. February, we're going to New Zealand and Australia. I cannot wait. We've added some shows there. And then obviously Radio City. Keep buying tickets. I love seeing that you guys are still copping. That's April 18th. Chicago theater tickets are running out. April 24th. All those dates and [e-mail] I love y' all so much. Thank you, guys.

[B]

What's up, people? Mark Agnon here just want to say thank you to everyone in Chicago that came out to the shows. It was fantastic. The amount of people that asked to suck my dick is getting out of hand. Dudes coming up to me like, hey, dude.

[A]

Oh, gosh.

[D]

That I had to say.

[B]

I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is not that kind of meet and greet. All right? Just come out, take a pic, say, what's up?

[D]

People ask me why I keep trying to get them to suck your dick.

[B]

It's become very confusing. You don't have to do that, all right? All you gotta do is buy a ticket, come to the show. And I'm going to Hoboken on December 12th. I'm also doing my monthly show in the East Village at Mary Lou on December 16th. Is the best lineup in the city, all the best comics. I'll be there working on some new stuff. And then in the new year, Salt Lake City. And then also.

[D]

Where are you doing?

[B]

Salt Lake City, wise guys.

[D]

Fun club, dude. Go see them.

[B]

And then Washington, D.C. and then Charlotte, North Carolina. Those are going to be announced any minute now.

[A]

All right.

[B]

You're on the edge of your seats. I know you are, man.

[D]

I said that last week, dog.

[B]

Just wait. Any minute now. It's coming. Thank you guys so much. See you there.

[D]

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[A]

That's the thing that, like this generation that's watching right now, they don't understand it because the young people grew up with Spotify artists and TikTok art and like pro tools and you make your own beat and you just put it out. You couldn't even record anything without a professional studio back in the day. Consider that you couldn't even speak into a microphone and record it with a beat without a studio. So having. They had so much power, so much access to people's dreams, and I think that Diddy's like, lust for power is the reason why he didn't try to be a. He eventually was an artist a little bit. But initially, remember, they show him dancing and he was trying to be a dancer and he was in the music videos. And then he pivots. He makes this hard pivot to be like Andre Harrell's side guy, like his right hand man. And to me, what that says is, is Diddy has this like undying thirst for power. And he goes, ooh, the power is actually there. It's not in the artist. These artists don't have control. When they put an album, when they get studio time, what time, songs they get, when they go on tour, it's that guy over there that tells them what to do and they're all kissing that motherfucker's ass. Fuck dancing the videos. I want to be that guy.

[D]

But this is where the power never stops. When he's insatiable, then it seems like he gets jealous of the artists. Now I want to be the A and R guy. I want to have all the. And I want to be the biggest artist. And I'm going to have all these people write raps for me and I'm going to make sure my artists never get bigger than me on my songs. Dog. There was a thing, I think this was after Biggie died, you know, Puffy saying, it's my brother's my best friend. He tells the number two at his company, Biggie's supposed to get a Rolling Stone cover. He says, nah, fuck that. I need to promote the no Way out album. So I'm getting Rolling Stone. Make sure they put me on the COVID box Biggie out after his death of a Rolling Stone cover. And then he took it.

[A]

That's fucked up.

[B]

And then made Biggie pay for the funeral?

[A]

Yeah, I heard that one. That's. That's fucking crazy, Doug.

[D]

He would, he would charge you for like he would take money out of your deal for recording time in his studio. So he would just find a way to never pay anybody.

[A]

That's what they all do though.

[B]

Yeah, but like he would appear in the music video and then pay himself. A talent being in the video.

[A]

No, so. So here's something to that. Here's something to that. What? There's that line that's like.

That happened. I think it was at the Source Awards or something like that. I don't know if it was.

[B]

Yeah, come to Death Row.

[A]

Come Death Row if you don't want your producer all up in the video. Etc.

Diddy was bigger than his artist. You want him in the video?

[D]

Not at that point. He wasn't bigger than Biggie in 95. Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't bigger than Craig Mack. Flavor in your ear, you think?

[C]

It's hard to think, but try to go back. Like, if Diddy wasn't next to Biggie, he. Biggie would have still been that guy. He had so much swag to him.

[D]

Puffy might have marketed Biggie better.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But seeing Puffy in a video didn't mean shit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Let me clarify. At a certain point in time, like when Puffy first breaks off and does Bad Boy, nobody knows who Biggie is. Puffy puts Biggie on.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. Yeah. So like he is effectively a much more powerful person in the industry and much more known person in the industry. So him co signing Biggie is massive for Biggie. So being all up in the video.

[C]

I don't know about that one point.

[A]

But no, hold on. How can anybody know who he got.

[D]

Fired from Uptown Records at that point?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And Andre Harrell said, I'll let you keep Biggie.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Which is a massive gift. But he got fired from. He was the king. He was. Andre Harrell's the kingmaker. He's the number two. Then he gets fired and he got one artist. So I don't think he's got heat like that.

[A]

Oh, no, no, no, no. He had the parties. This is where I think a lot of people don't realize like Andre Harrell like was selling lifestyle. That was what uptown was doing. And then Diddy did that better than anybody. Right. And it was Diddy presents this. So he owned the culture. And owning the culture is how you can break artists. It's how you can control. It's another power flex. Like I can't get. If you piss off Diddy, you're not gonna be able to go to his parties. And that's where everybody goes, et cetera. So like, when he broke off from uptown, what he didn't have is the funding of uptown, but what he still had is the culture and the cachet. And then when he connects with. Who is it? Clive Davis. Clive Davis. So he connects with Clive Davis. Now all of a sudden he has the money. So he already has the culture. He has the parties, has the places people want to be. He has the places to break the records to the people who are going to listen to them.

Why does he need Andre and clearly he doesn't? Because he takes Biggie and they go crazy.

[D]

Yeah, he got. He got Clive after under fire. But yeah, I see your point. I still think.

[A]

I know that's what I said to.

[D]

Most record buying audience, which is kids in suburbs like me. Biggie was a guy you knew of. I didn't know who the Puff Daddy was until I don't even think they.

[A]

Were the ones buying the records initially. I think suburban whites buying records. Later comes later. I think it's when it's like completely MTV ified, when the UMTV raps, like really kind of takes over. I think initially I don't think, like, I don't think hip hop was that big. I think NWA makes it fucking explode. It's like loud. It's rebellious. But like before that kind of niche, it was this like new, like weird type of music that like white people.

[D]

Were like, that's fair. But this is six, seven years after nwa. So rap is out there. And maybe not gangster rap, but rap is a thing.

[A]

No, no, of course, of course rap is a thing. There's no question. But it's not what we know it as now.

[B]

Does Diddy have to charge to pay to be in his own artist video? I guess that's the thing where it's.

[A]

Like, I don't think you should. But what all these. I mean, how these labels make money is they do this kind of like Don King type where like you get charged for every single towel.

[D]

I think the thing also is. And you just see this, this is where the editing is like, okay, it could be edited. But the recurring themes of a lot of this. Yeah, everybody's like, I didn't get the money from Diddy. Yeah, I was supposed to have 25 of bad boy. He shows up with a bat and says, hey, man, I need you to sign this over. I'll give it back to you. I Just need to do this deal. Never gives it back. That guy, that producer, I'll pay 250,000. And then they play voicemails of him being like, yo, man, I'm gonna get it to you. I just gotta handle this thing. Hey, man, some shit came up. Hey, man. And then when the guy gets mad, he's like, I don't like your energy, dude. Why are you acting like this?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, the tricky. Yeah, the tricky thing is that, like, once you know, you can people over and you're like a maniacal sociopath like him, that's just power hungry. You just go, all right, I just won't pay you.

[D]

And I think that's the point they try to make with City College. Whether it's true or not is this is when the sociopath realizes, I can get away with anything. Nine people died. And I come out looking good.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, shit.

[B]

Gets more famous.

[D]

I got more famous. I'm dying now. Now I can do whatever I want.

[A]

That's the thing that I think this generation really doesn't understand, and I think it's like, I don't think they really understand how important the gatekeepers were to the music industry. And even after he left Uptown, he was massively powerful.

[D]

Oh, yeah?

[A]

Yeah. Massively powerful. Because think of the artist that he broke. Like he breaks Mary J. Blotch. Right? Like he breaks Jodeci.

[D]

Jodeci, yeah.

[A]

So all these other people. What's that?

[C]

112 mace.

[A]

But did those come with Bad Boy? I think they're later, right?

[D]

Years later.

[A]

Years later.

[C]

But it's still him breaking.

[D]

Of course, Uptown, he's still the guy.

[A]

Just because he's not attached to Uptown doesn't mean he's not massively powerful. Right. Because at that moment, the only two ways. And they say in the documentary, the only two ways you can make. Make, like, legacy money in hip hop is through Russell Simmons or Andre Harrell. Think about that level of power. Yeah. What if the only way to get on TV was between two channels? Think about how much power those two people were.

[B]

Yeah, we're getting to that point, by the way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Foreshadowing.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But we're just getting back to what it used to be, because MTV and BET was it.

[A]

That was it.

[C]

Yeah. If you wanted to see music, you had to turn on one of those two channels.

[A]

You're 100% right.

[C]

There was no YouTube stuff.

[A]

And we would flip back and forth from. What is it? TRL.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then 106 apart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we watched 30 seconds of a music video. Hit me baby one more time to make it fit the half hour segment, whatever it was. We couldn't even watch the whole music. But wow.

[D]

And we were complaining then about attention spans being too short.

[A]

There's this guy named, like Douglas Adams. He wrote the Hitchhiker's Guide. I forget. Anyway, he. There was something in it that he said, like, the different stages of life. I'm gonna this up. Maybe you can bring this up. But. But because I was doing just some kind of like, reflection, like, what's happening in culture? And I'm like, what the hell is going on? It was so normal back in the day, and things are so extreme and crazy right now. And he had said that, like, this is the life cycle. It's like when you're young, you're. You're. You're not really paying attention to things around you. You get into like your 20s and early 30s and you're like, like, this is how things should be. This is perfect. There's all the opportunity. Then you get in your 40s and you go, things were so much better back in the day. These things are so crazy right now.

[D]

And because you were a part of the change.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, exactly. Now ours is maybe the most drastic in history because we live pre Internet and post Internet.

[D]

Yeah, pre AI, post AI.

[A]

It's. It's insane. Like, especially our age because old people live pre Internet and with Internet, but they don't really use the Internet. Yeah, they just have like, bigger fonts on their phones. Right. Like, that's it. That's an old people's change. Yeah, but we actually use it and we'll actually kind of use AI, we'll admit. But like, our generation is.

[C]

Yeah, it was fun.

[A]

It's like stone age. Right? It's crazy what we. And kind. Yes, things are crazy on the Internet. And yes, we see all this kind of wild stuff and conspiracy everything. We're handling it pretty well, all things considered.

[D]

All things considered how? In important caveat.

[A]

But yeah, you can make a video online with all of us having an orgy with each other.

[C]

Come on.

[A]

That is indistinguishable from your regular life. Nah.

No, but like, think about that.

[C]

Like, don't put me in that.

[A]

I know we just brilliant idiots and call them gay for like an hour.

[B]

Baby oil.

[A]

But yeah, I don't know. We're handling it okay.

[C]

And it's too easy to do that now. One of the fans is gonna actually make the.

[A]

Org video. Yo, run it. Run it. Top me. Top Me?

[B]

Get on my back. I saw an article that watching fucked up videos online can actually give you ptsd.

[A]

Hold on one second. I've come with a set of rules to describe our reactions to technology. Anything is. The world when you are born is normal and ordinary, and it's just natural. Natural part of the way the world works. Anything that is invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary, and you can probably get a career in it. That anything invented after 35 is against the natural order of things. I mean, tell me that isn't. Yeah, it's brilliant.

[D]

Yeah, brilliant.

[B]

I'm shocked that you let him get through that whole quote without calling him gay or something. That was, like, really respectful.

[A]

Well, you'd be calling Douglas.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, that's what Douglas said.

[C]

I ain't gonna put that on, Big Doug.

[D]

You put work.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm getting to that point. I can feel it. I'll listen to a new song. I'm like, this sucks. Like, it's just getting closer every year.

[D]

Dude, I said this.

[C]

Are you 19?

[A]

Like.

Are you 30 yet? How old? Almost.

[C]

He's not even 30.

[B]

I'll be 30 in a few months.

[A]

You're 29 years old?

[B]

29, bro. Damn. The right side of 20.

[C]

You ain't aging good.

I'm sorry, but you not.

[B]

I think I'm gonna look like this for a while. I think I'm pickled.

[A]

29. And you're wearing a beanie inside. What does that mean? No, Al's wearing one, too.

[B]

Val needs it. I get it.

[A]

Oh, you.

[C]

Everybody.

[A]

Al looks like Tim can't swim in a pool.

Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.

[D]

I didn't get it.

[A]

Nobody knows. You know what Tim Pool is.

[C]

When you gotta explain.

[A]

You just got so defensive a joke was coming at you. You don't give that to him. You tried to bomb that. No, that wasn't.

[D]

Tim Pool is.

[C]

I do know who.

[D]

Okay, there we go.

[C]

But you have to explain it.

[A]

I did have to explain. I did have to. I agree with you on that. A lot of words. But it was a lot of words. It was a lot of words. So many words.

So many words.

[B]

Can we get back to Diddy, dude?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Was there anything that surprised you guys in the.

[B]

I thought it was gonna be more gay stuff.

[A]

Talk to me.

[B]

It was very little gay stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Because you don't really know Diddy. I know nothing. Yeah.

[B]

And everyone's like, dude, Diddy's Epstein. And I was like, dude, this is gonna be crazy. Then they were like, well, you like, you know, probably kill some people and beat some women. And I was like, oh, all right.

[A]

But this is the thing.

[C]

No guy wants to talk about getting butt fucked.

[D]

So it's like one guy didn't. Andrew was like, nah.

[A]

He's like, that's what I'm saying. That's why nobody wants to come up.

[C]

He's like, yo, I gotta admit this embarrassing shit. And so people ain't gonna call me.

[A]

A liar, like, that sucks.

[C]

But multiple people admitted to it. His co founder, he says he got molested.

[B]

He got tried. Or did he get.

[C]

Actually, no, but he says throughout his time there, he got.

[A]

Remember when I itched my butt during Brilliant Idiots? I, like, did a deep scratch in my butt.

[C]

Before we started.

[A]

Before we started recording flagrant, I went to the bathroom. Cause I was like, I gotta check on something. And I sat down without pooping and I wiped and there was a full. I think I might have forgot to wipe before we did. Brilliant Idiot. So I did a whole pod with full shit on my ass after a shit. Okay? That's how I know that guy wanted to get butt fucked.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

No, you can't see it because that's what guys butts look like. That's what guys butts look like. And Diddy's not sticking his dick in that doo doo.

[C]

Oh, that's yours.

[D]

How do you know?

[C]

Clean asses.

[D]

Diddy might like a little dirty ass. Yeah, he got off on some weird shit.

[A]

Yo, can I make a point, though? This is an interesting thing. This is where black people using the little washcloth. Okay. In the shower hurts you. No, because it's always a clean ass to fucking. Oh, you guys always got a clean ass to fucking. You knew when you went to a Diddy party, Diddy knew if he chose a black guy, he's like, yeah, that ass.

[D]

You don't think about the clown size of hygiene.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You don't think about it with a.

[A]

With a white guy. You know, I'm only washing to my abdomen. You don't know what's below. You don't know what's below. So if you're gonna try to take this ass, good luck.

[B]

Which race is the cleanest ass, you think? Probably black, right?

[A]

Oh, without a doubt. Cuz I don't even know if they really. I think it might be different.

[B]

America.

[D]

Y' all don't use the bidet like that. Al does. But it's just not a general bidet thing.

[B]

But Y' all are washcloth culture. So I can see you guys having bidet culture.

[D]

Clean as that ass.

[B]

Yeah, so probably Asian, Middle Eastern, cuz.

[D]

They got infrastructure for bidets. They all got bidets.

[C]

Yeah, they wash all the time.

[A]

No, no, no. They wash before they pray. And they wash with soap. They just rinse. Yeah, it's better than you. You'll do. I don't know if it's better.

[B]

They wash their feet.

[A]

They wash their hands when it's raining outside. Did I wash? Smell your finger. Raining out. Oh, I guess I'm clean.

[B]

I've counted that before.

[A]

No, if you don't use soap, you.

[C]

Didn'T want to smell your finger.

[D]

Smell your finger.

[A]

Which one?

[D]

It was a different finger and it was still disguised.

[A]

No, that was what he was digging with. I was digging. I was digging that one.

[D]

Oh, God, dude.

[B]

Oh, come on, bro.

[A]

Stop being nasty.

[B]

Yo.

[A]

Why is that nasty?

[B]

This is gonna be in the dock, bro.

[A]

Why is that nasty in the dock? Why is that nasty? I keep my. My nails low, so I don't know. Say again?

[B]

He's invented illness, bro.

[D]

That.

[A]

The bar is so low for him. He just connected two things.

That was fire. I made a whole sentence. He's it anyway.

[D]

Good.

[C]

You liked it a lot.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then the. Cassie was crazy. Cassie. I didn't realize all that.

[A]

Did you know that that happened with Cassie?

[B]

No. Also, I thought. Did he?

[A]

Allegedly.

[B]

But this is gonna sound bad. Was he involved in Kim Porter's untimely demise?

[D]

That's what a lot of people think. Think.

[C]

Yeah. They didn't cover it here. And. Yeah, I don't know about that.

[D]

Yeah, it was more.

[C]

I personally think.

[D]

I thought it would be with the Cassie stuff. Like, they say he groomed her and all that. But then they'll say, like, what? They'll show, like, emails of Cassie sending things that could be interpreted as, like, it was consensual or she was into it or whatever. And a lot of people say, like, she's. She tried to leave and got the kicked out of her once, yo.

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[A]

The.

[B]

The Stud, the bull that they brought through. Yeah, that was. That was doing all the. The freakiness with Cassie. He was like, yeah, at one point, the punisher. Yeah. I don't know if it was him. I think it was a different one. He was like, yeah, after every session, they collected my nut.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And they would collect it in a cup. And then he was like, this went on for months at a time until one day I was like, why are you guys collecting my nut? And he was like, oh, I just like to see your play with.

[D]

With it. What's wrong with that? Diddy goes, what's wrong with that?

[A]

He said that?

[B]

Yeah. He was like, after that, they never asked again. But I was like, bro, they've been collecting your nut for four months.

[A]

And he never makes her play with it on a random day.

[B]

Like a yo, yo.

[D]

You know how big a freak did he is? That's the one guy who got paid. Everybody else, he wouldn't pay, but he needed that. Get back, dude. I need you come back. I need you to come back. I need your comeback, bro.

[B]

But collecting in a cup is just hilarious to me that he's bringing this guy in. It's like, all right, but you got a nut in the. In the receptacle, and then we're going to use it for later. And he was like, saving it. They'd, like put in the fridge and mark it and put the date on it.

[A]

No, they wouldn't.

[B]

I mean, I presume I'm going to.

[A]

Cut you out my life.

[B]

I mean, you don't want to get it mixed up. You know what I mean? You probably got other samples.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

He's like, yeah, if we want to play with the right one.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, like, what do we do?

[D]

Like, if.

[A]

If we can find out that you have a genetic disposition to this.

[D]

This.

[A]

To this behavior. Yeah. What do we do with them?

[D]

I don't think this is nature as much as nurture. I think this develops over time.

[A]

As you said, the power thing, I think it's Nate. I think it's. You're born with it.

[C]

Yeah. I think it's nature. Who do you learn this from?

[A]

Yeah, I think it's what.

[D]

I believe what he was saying earlier, which is like a power thing. Like, I'm just controlling this whole situation.

[A]

But I think you're born with that, like, socio. Sociopathy. You have a sociopath. You have a sociopathy. And maybe there obviously are, like, nurturing elements.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

No, this push you towards that. But, like. Like, you have to, on some level, just not have any care for the people around you.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And just this insatiable desire to, you know, it's not even be loved or appreciated. He likes being Diddy, the figure, but it's more like the power that being loved and appreciated.

Gives him. Because if it was just be love and appreciated, he would just be an artist. Yeah. They get loved and appreciated. End of story. Nah, he needs to tell what to do. He gets off on that shit.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

That infamous phone call.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think that was savage. That was built up. I think after rewatching, it was like. Yeah, they. I don't even think there was anyone on the phone.

[A]

No. You know how then I know there was because he slams it, he screams, I'm a savage. Whatever. He notices the phone is off of the thing and he corrects it. He's like, oh, I hope they didn't hear that. Like, there's a moment. Yeah.

[B]

But. Yeah, I don't know. Like, this just feels like a little performative to me. But I don't know.

[C]

But it was because this was being shot for making of the band, so he probably was turning it up a little bit.

[D]

Oh, yeah. And. But also, I think this is when he was, like, using drugs. He started using drugs heavily in, like, what, 2011 or seven or something like that.

[C]

I see. I think he was always using drugs.

[B]

To be honest with you.

[D]

His boy said he wouldn't even drink before, and then at some point, he just went all the way with it, maybe.

[A]

I have a hard time believing that a guy that aspires to be a gangster does not consume alcohol or marijuana. I have a hard time.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, I think the opposite.

[D]

Yeah, I think so.

[B]

He's a control freak. He loves control.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And alcohol and drugs take you out of control.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

So he's, like, constantly in control until he's realizing how fun Molly is. And he's like, all right, I'll try a little bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then gets on a wave. I can see that.

[D]

That was like. He would work for, like, 14 days straight. And his whole thing on all his IG lives, that they're playing how hard he works, how non stop he goes, I'm doing xyz. You're doing some kind of uppers to keep that pace up.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And ride that way. If you call and like.

[C]

And not to compare them, the two of them, but it's like Trump likes. Also likes to be like and control. And he's a no alcohol, no drug guy also.

[A]

That's very interesting.

[C]

And he also doesn't pay people when.

[D]

He.

[A]

Worry about these sober.

[C]

Oh, yeah. If somebody's sober. I don't trust you.

[D]

I do shrooms.

[C]

Yeah, you need something. Something like something, something. Yeah, if you sober. Sober. I don't trust you. Oh, man, you gotta drink it or something.

[A]

I don't know.

[D]

Do you look at everybody who's with Diddy in a video? Like some rapper that's famous? I'm not even want to name names, but they're next to Diddy and it's like, you gotta know something.

[A]

So I thought about this because, like, you know, there's one way of looking at this and going, why are all the people that are in this documentary that they're doing 30 years later? Why are you guys speaking up now? Where were you for the last 30 years?

I don't think we can make these people heroes in the documentary. Obviously, like the women that like, were sexually abused, assaulted, like, you know, they're terrified, they're trying to speak up and nobody wants to take a powerful guy. Yeah, it's very different. But like none of these people speaking up now are heroes. But they did, did. They did the right thing in that, like if the things that they're saying are true, even if it's 30 years later, saying what happened is the right thing to do. Yeah, it doesn't make you a hero, but it's better than not saying also, he's still brave. And it's still brave because there's motherfuckers that don't want to see.

[D]

He also destroys you. He takes everything. He takes your credibility. You can't get a job. He's the kind of guy who fucking ruins you.

[B]

Also, he allegedly kills people.

[D]

People.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like, I'm in this industry, he knows where I live. I'm not gonna say he's getting away.

[D]

With all this stuff. So it is. I completely understand why you're not saying anything. Male, female, whatever, it doesn't matter. I completely get why you're not saying anything. I'm actually asking famous rappers who are with Diddy and there's. We've. Everybody I. I think I heard whispers. We all see some crazy, and it's like, oh, you're still next to him. Do I. Do I look at you? What's the empathetic way of looking at that guy?

[A]

That guy?

[D]

Because there's a part of me that's judgmental, but it's easy to judge from here, from the couch. But the part of me that's judgmental is like, you had to know something. You're right there.

[A]

So what I would ask you is, how bad is Diddy compared to the dudes that they grew up with that might be involved in criminal.

[D]

I would think worse, because maybe the lines he's pushing are like, yo, this is crazy.

[A]

Maybe depending on how you grew up. But, like, if you grew up in the hood and, like, you know, you're affiliated with the gang and, like, you.

[B]

Know, I'm gonna blow some guy's car. And you go, well, yeah, that tracks. You the gangster. And I grew up around gangsters, and.

[A]

They would kill people and, you know, sell drugs and shoot at the house.

[C]

Also, I don't think Diddy went around saying, hey, I just beat up Cassie and did this and did that. It's all rumor shit. Like, we all heard the rumors about the shit, but just being out at a fucking brunch party with Diddy doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna see all the shit that he's up to.

[D]

Maybe you're right. I just. I think. Well, from my understanding, some of the shit was public. He was like. He hit his first wife. Wife. Just punch her in the face in public or whatever out on the street. And maybe you're right that these guys are.

[A]

That wasn't public. Like, he was indicted for it. That's a buddy of him who was with him, who's talking on the dock saying that that thing happened.

[D]

And look, I'm not convinced of my position, but I'm gonna push back to the Shine thing. There's, like, so many things that you're like, yo, this guy. There's some weird shit going on with this guy.

[C]

Yeah. But with Shine, there was enough, like.

Bloodiness. Yeah. Plausible deniability where it's like, hey, maybe it could have been Shine. They both had their guns. In, out. They both shot the guns. So it's like, we really don't know who really shot him.

[A]

That's the other thing is this. It's very possible Shine did do it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But. But again, the point is that, like, at this time in hip hop now, it's different. It's all theater kids. But at this point in time in hip hop, like, if the dudes rapping weren't real, their crew was real. Yes. And the money backing a lot of these hip hop labels was drug money. So it's like, who, if you, if you were to get signed to someone in New York, how are you not going to be affiliated? Name the label that's not affiliated. Like, just name it.

[C]

I'm telling you, it went back and forth.

[A]

He made money in the shit. What is it? Biggs put the money up for rock. Right. And that's drug money. So you're connected with drug money and nefarious actors no matter how you do it. Maybe Def Jam towards the end had gotten really cleaned up up. But like, what was a murder Inc. Yeah, you know, they had.

[C]

Even with Def Jam, they were just the label that's signed, but they know all the artists was up to. They were aware of.

[D]

That's fair. I just want to have the conversation because it does. It did cross my mind. I didn't have a hard position, but I was like, ah.

[A]

I just think when you see foul with regularity, you become numb to it, you know, and. And in retrospect, you look back and you're like, oh, my God, that's a fucking evil ass dude.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But also, like, just talking of 50 from, you know, what life was like in New York between the gangs at that time. Like, he told me, like, some of these guys are like real life schizophrenic serial killers. Like, he would go meet with some of these dudes in jail because, you know, he does like life right stuff for all these shows. And they would say shit like, yo, man, I'm out in 20 days. And he'd be like, what? He's like, yeah, man, I can't wait, man. I'm out in 20 days.

[D]

Days.

[A]

And 50 would be like, is he really getting out in 20 days? Like, this guy's spending the rest of his life here. And he'd be like, oh, these guys are completely crazy.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And either they lost it before or all the they went through made them lose it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Or they were already.

[B]

Yeah. But like, there's actually like the trauma I don't think goes away. I mean, like, you kill people in the streets. Like, that affects your brain.

[A]

Yeah. And every day you're thinking that retaliation is coming.

[B]

You're paranoid.

[D]

To your point. That girl Capricorn Clark was like, I grew up with a mom that that was. I forget how she was like Diddy, but she was A lot like Diddy. So I just knew how to navigate that, and I knew how to deal with that. So that's why I could be his assistant. So. Well, so a lot of these guys probably, like, yeah, I know how to deal with this trauma.

[C]

Exactly. And also, let's take Fabulous, for example. Like, Fab would get money from doing ads for Ciroc, but Diddy would confront him, be like, yo, why we never party? Like, what's up with you, homie? It's like. So he was keeping his distance, but he also knew how to play the game. He's like, hey, I'm gonna get my check over here. So it's like, I think there was a lot of people. People navigating like that.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But what did he eventually actually go to prison for? What do you remember what the actual charges were?

[D]

Violations of the man act. They said this. This is the thing they said, beginning in the end of episode. Violations of the man act. And I think prostitution.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think that is the man act.

[D]

You're like, hey, man, the last episode, where was that guy from, that juror? Because if he's Indian, that's a bad fucking look for us. He's like, he said they're asking the juror. Two jurors are willing to come forward, and one of them has an accident. I can't tell him it might be Indian. But he's like, yeah. I don't know. It just seemed like it was the. Him and Cassie, it was just a hot and cold relationship. You know what I mean? They just loved each other, you know? You're seeing these text messages. I don't know. She sells. Sure, it's not consensual, but then, you know, he's beating her up. But then she said she loves him.

[A]

Sometimes the Internet has a hard time understanding unconventional relationships, okay? They jump to conclusions about certain things. Okay. Diddy, Cassie, other people. Maybe on his podcast. You don't know anything.

[B]

Jury selection must be not comparison.

[A]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Exactly. You're Cassie.

You are 100 Cassie. Oh, man. I will say, the hotel room you're getting dragged through is much more expensive than a fucking Motel 6 or whatever she was getting ripped through.

[D]

So that was crazy. You got her at an Intercontinental. Yeah. Come on, dude.

[A]

You got to take her to a place where guys are also beating their wives so it doesn't seem that.

[B]

So it blends in with sound. Exactly.

[C]

Also, I heard. Heard he would pay for the floor he's on above him and below.

[A]

You can't rent out the three floors of the four seasons. But you can do that, you know?

[D]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah, man.

[D]

When I'm watching that video, every time I'm like, take the stairs, dude. What are you doing? Taking the elevator.

[B]

Yeah. It's like a horror movie.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Leave the shoes.

[B]

You don't need your shoes. Run.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then he's just lurking in the towel.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's crazy.

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[D]

Dude, I thought about that.

[A]

He's certainly here. So that's the power of the documentary.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because what Diddy wants. And he says it in the beginning of it, he's talking about losing the court of public opinion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he says some stuff like, you know, we gotta, you know, get some propaganda going or whatever. And what he's saying is actually not.

It's not wrong in that he's going, hey, you guys are. To his lawyers. You guys are going to CNN talking shit about me. But TikTok and social media is where the conversation is about me. And we lost that. Yeah. As he should lose that. Yeah. Right. But. And he's telling him, he's like, you guys got to do something about this. And I think that the beginning is interpreted like he's saying, hey, we gotta lie and trick and do these things. Which he probably is saying 100. But I think at that point in the case, he thought he's getting off.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And all of us thought he was doing 40 years. Think about when this case first started. We thought he was locked up. Yeah. 20, 40 years. The guy gets 50 months. He's gonna be out of jail in two and a half years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like he'll be on the streets soon. He could watch this doc. Yeah. While it's still trending. Think about that.

[D]

Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like.

[C]

Like that's why. Allegedly. Allegedly.

[A]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[B]

Everything but like.

[A]

But think about this. So I Think what he's. What he's doing is going, I still want to be Diddy, and I can't be diddy if the perception of me is a certain way. The doc is way more damaging than jail.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Bingo.

[D]

Jail.

[A]

I honestly think, I know it sounds crazy, but if it was just the jail, there are people that would go, oh, Cassie was into it, and yes, you should never put your hands on one, but she was down to do these parties and that kind of stuff like that. That this is. And he might have a way to come back.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if anybody can recover from this.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He got to go to Bali with Russell Simmons. He got to find a foreign country that he could just meditate at.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Cuz I don't know. You can't walk the streets of New York anymore after this.

[D]

You know, it's crazy. I think he can flip it. I think he's. Cuz they. And they bring this up too in the fourth episode. By the end of the trial, PR was largely on Diddy's side. They got really. Do you remember all this stuff?

[C]

Like, hey, paying a lot of PR. He was paying people like 25 just to wear free Diddy shirts outside the Trout. I saw what it looked like.

[A]

I drove by. I saw them like, that's crazy.

[D]

But he's still a billionaire. He's not broke.

[B]

We don't.

[C]

This probably. This is hurt.

[A]

These, these trials cost so much money. And also when you're in jail, your money goes away. Yeah. And like.

[C]

And Bill Zone's stop. But all his sok got taken from him.

[A]

But, but he won that lawsuit. Remember? He won the.

[C]

They didn't say how much they settled for.

[A]

I thought it was like in the bees. I thought it was crazy.

[C]

I don't think it was that crazy.

[A]

I would look, it's what, Diageo or something like that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Diageo. Yeah.

[C]

I don't think it was that crazy, cuz Imag. Diageo has heavy pockets. They could be like, yo, let's just go to trial. But I thought, you don't have it. You can't last.

[A]

I would look that up, but I, I. This could be like Internet. But there was like a clause in the contract, like if he, if he was criminally indicted for anything that could waive whatever. I don't know. Or convicted, not indicted. Yeah.

[C]

Crazy thing about this doc and about all docs is like, it's all in the edit because imagine this.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

They use footage that he was gonna use to make himself look good. They used the same fucking footage to make him look like a fucking savage. And I'm like, it's all in the fucking edit. And what can you really believe when it comes to the docs at the same time?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I've learned this.

[C]

Nuts.

[A]

Ye.

Dogs are terrifying.

[D]

This is why I think he's doing the PR thing. And again, maybe this Netflix thing changes everything. But even as this trial is going on, he's getting so much love in the streets over and over.

[C]

Oh, you're talking about in the dock.

[D]

Like, in public when he's, like, riding his bike. Not this guy.

[C]

Yeah, but this is before.

[A]

Yeah, this was earlier.

[C]

Yeah, this is before he was guilty because, like, it was just the Cassie tape. We didn't know anything from trial yet.

[D]

Say that sentence again.

[C]

I understand, but if you didn't see the Cassie tape, you just still love Diddy.

[D]

Who didn't see the.

[C]

There are some people that didn't, apparently.

[A]

12 jurors.

[B]

Also. Diddy is so famous.

[D]

No, this is what they did. That was smart. It's not about the. He can't. He's not on trial for abuse. Sure, he abused her, but that's what they did.

[C]

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that was one of the questions. Have you seen Mean that tape?

[D]

No. The girl. The juror says the tape was damning. The tape let me know he wasn't a good guy. But that's not what he was on.

[A]

Use it. It's in his inadmissible evidence.

[D]

She said, I saw it and I know what kind of guy he is from that. But that's not what he's on trial for.

[C]

No.

[A]

So you can't use it to go.

[B]

And he's so famous that I just think in general, people melt in the face of that type of fame.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I feel like Diddy could walk around on the streets and there'd be a handful of people like, yo, can I grab a pic?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, just. Just because you're around a famous person, you're like. Immediately you forget everything. You're like, I'm. I'm in front of Pete Diddy. This is crazy. And I think people would go up to him and try.

[C]

And all he was guilty for is some orgies.

[D]

Like, yeah, prostitution.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, people go look at that and be like, it's not that bad.

[A]

This is. This is just character assassination to a T. Yeah. Documentaries should be. Are more dangerous than weapons. Like, I remember you said. I did say that. Like, that shit is. Is dangerous, bro. That is like.

Yeah, yeah. I think I'd rather my enemy have a gun than a documentary. Right, because, like, you can't. It's hard to shoot someone in public.

[D]

You can make me think whatever you want me to think.

[A]

But also, if you shoot me, you go to jail. If you make a documentary about me, you make money, you get an award. What? 50 is the. Imagine someone gave you a Golden Globe for shooting you in the head.

That's what documentaries are. This guy's life is done. How diabolical is 50 Cent?

[C]

Bro?

[A]

Enters a field of entertainment that he has no expertise in at all. Becomes a phenomenal storyteller, curator of worlds, incredibly successful. Maybe all just to build up the cachet to make a documentary about one of his arch nemeses. Yes. And destroy his life while profiting off of it.

[B]

50 is patient.

[D]

God's work, yo. God's work on this one.

[B]

50 is patient, bro.

[A]

Yeah, just don't cross it. Yo, if I'm Jay Z, I'm shaking in my galoshes or whatever. I know you don't want to hear this, but if I am Jay Z, I am terrified.

[D]

Let me tell you the difference between jay Z and 50. The elevator footage is very different with Jay Z. Jay Z got elevator footage is with the polar opposite of Diddy's elevator.

[A]

How much you think he paid Beyonce's sister to hit him and him not hit her back?

[D]

Oh, shut up.

[A]

That might have been the greatest move in the history of the world. Now we see this poised, composed man that would never put his hands on a woman, ever. That was genius. If that was pr, that's genius.

[C]

That wasn't pr.

[A]

He gets some licks off, they know that the cheating side is.

[D]

I will say. Now, did he pay, like, 10 million or whatever to get that tape? If I was Jay Z, I'd be like, I'd pay you 10 million to leak that TV.

[A]

Send it to Harvey.

[B]

Yeah, it is funny seeing all the, like, daytime TV people, the thing that they took an issue with in the doc. That's so funny. Like, I've seen, like, three clips already, and they're like, yeah, I watched this Diddy documentary, and he saw a guy took on his jacket and then tried to get hand sanitizer. This guy's a demon. Oh, I was like, that's the part that you thought was bad.

[A]

Char brought that up, too. Like, he was in Harlem shaking hands and hugging people. And he gets in the car and he goes, I gotta take a shower. And I gotta take a shower. Boiling water. And I think the feeling is, like this is a community you really say you're part of and you don't even want to touch them. And it's like I thought that part.

[D]

Was unfair editing because he might have just done that all the time. And he might have been like, man, I don't. These people are hugging me. I don't know you. He might just do that with everybody. But they only did said that after he was in Harlem. And then the whole point was you use the black community. And that could be true. But I didn't think the edit that was a very strategically timed.

[A]

Did he been at Burning man every single year. Ain't no fucking showers. And every time you meet somebody, you gotta hug him.

[C]

Actually, he would always have the most extravagant camp that probably hatched. I was in it.

[A]

Yeah, sure, but you're hugging every single person that you meet.

[D]

That's customary showers after.

[C]

Yeah, but he wasn't him. That's the thing.

[A]

He wasn't the people he met in Harlem.

[C]

No, that's what I mean.

[A]

Like, you know, he's out so you gonna save come. But you can't hug an auntie in Harlem. This guy got some weird hypochondria, man. I don't know what you bro did. He's different, man.

[C]

Any different.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

Well, he's gonna be on the streets in two and a half years. He'll be a burning man soon, son.

[D]

If he's good behavior, he might be out in a year.

[A]

Dude, what's the first podcast appearance for Diddy? Who's bringing them on? Oh, who's bringing them on?

[B]

I mean, doesn't have his own because.

[C]

You want him here.

[A]

I'm not. Hey, I'm not saying that. I'm just asking you who's gonna bring him on.

[D]

Call her Diddy.

[A]

Who do you think brings them on? That's a good question.

[B]

I think he does his own thing. I think he does because what is revolt like, isn't that his.

[A]

Yeah, but does he have step down from it or what?

[B]

Yeah, I guess.

[A]

But still, like there's. There's an interview out there someone's gonna want.

[B]

Yeah, he's gonna do his own thing.

[C]

He kind of like people that they don't care what people think of him. Like ak I can see sitting down with Diddy.

[D]

AK would actually do a great job.

[A]

Also just act interviewing him about the gay shit would just be. You cannot miss.

That stream would have 100 million views just. And we'd be just waiting. We'd be getting edged right until he gets to the gay Talk. And the whole feed is just gonna be like, yo, ask him about butt. Ask him about butt. And just have an ax. Save a sentence.

[B]

No, I think D's gonna lean in. He's gonna pull a like, Kevin Spacy vibes. You know when Kevin Spacy does the. Plays the character from House of Cards, Frank. What's his name?

[A]

Frank something Underwood.

[B]

And just does like the most ominous video you've ever seen.

[A]

Yeah. That was crazy.

[B]

This is the greatest toy.

[A]

This is awesome.

[D]

Now. This is so cool.

[B]

Like.

[C]

This is a modern marvel.

[A]

This is what you get when you join Ice.

[C]

Yo, shout out to New York police.

[D]

Why?

[A]

What happened?

[C]

They arrested I ice.

[A]

This is how you get one.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Going back. Going back. Akash now.

[D]

He reversed that H1VC. He reversed that H1VC.

[A]

Oh, yeah. We going to keep him?

[D]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

Shout out to Indians, man. Y' all made it.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yo, can I take a. Can I take a. I'm about to shit my pants. Can we take a break, cuz I'm about to. My pants.

[A]

All right. Aash. Taking a little dump skis. All right, so what are his options, right when he comes out? He could convert to Islam.

[C]

That's one.

[A]

That seems to be what a lot of people get canceled have been doing recently. Convert to Islam. So he can convert to Islam. He could ask. He could convert to MAGA and ask for the pardon from Trump. I don't know if Trump pardons him, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They used to be boys, though.

[A]

Did they?

[C]

I'm pretty sure. Like back in the day on some TV shit.

[A]

Yeah, interesting. All right, so then what are the Kaushi Give us the Cauchy odds for a Trump pardon. All right.

[B]

Trump pardon himself is pretty high.

[A]

It's pretty high.

[B]

Oh, Sam Bankman freed Baron. What did Baron do?

[A]

No, I need to calm. So 19%, but it's going down since the documentary. O, wow. So that's another thing. Like, God damn if the doc makes him so radioactive he can't get a pardon because it looks so bad on the person that's in power. Yeah.

[B]

Ooh. And he's only got one crazy pardon to go. You know what I mean? It's either Diddy or Ghislaine.

[A]

Yeah, you gotta.

[B]

You gotta go Ghislaine on that.

[C]

You really think he only has one pardon to go?

[B]

I mean, in terms of crazy pr.

[A]

Where'S the political capital in giving a Diddy part? Like, I think that should be zero, guys.

[C]

Son, he's been pardoning. He don't even know who they Are they?

[A]

Ask him about that.

[C]

The Asian dude, the crypto guy. He's like, I don't know who that is.

[A]

Oh, the Binance dude. Like, that's crazy. Yeah, that is a little wild. That is wild. That's a little wild. You, you can't pardon someone. You don't know who they are unless you're Biden. Why did he pardon Santos?

[D]

The.

[C]

Oh, Santos is a good time.

[A]

Let him out. Santos was a good time. He just seems like, like, yo, that's got, there's got to be like, oh, he's going to snitch. Like, I, I, this is what I imagine the pardons are. It's either like a favor from someone close to you before you get out of there, somebody who has been loyal to you and got hemmed up in some shit and you're like, I need to protect them, you know, or there is political capital in the pardoning. You know, January 6th, people, there's political capital in pardoning. All them. Right. The rouse up the base. Base is excited and I think some.

[C]

People just straight paying for it. I think there's a price for it and.

[A]

But what's the price, though?

[B]

Well, allegedly, I heard this with the Binance guy.

[C]

Two mil, right?

[A]

Yeah. What's the binance one?

[B]

Like, allegedly, it was like he got pardoned and then he has all these funds that he's able to like reinsert back into Trump's projects. Yeah, like his, like crypto projects. Allegedly. I don't know if this is the case. This is what I've heard.

[A]

I mean, that checks out. So then you're paying for it. Like Al saying, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's like a little, you know, you.

[A]

Scratch my back type, I scratch yours. Did this run out of battery?

[B]

Probably.

[A]

Thank God. Yeah, Yeah. I don't know, man. This shit is crazy, right? Shouldn't we get rid of that? Why does the president just get to say you're allowed to do illegal shit? Right. Like why? That's weird. The part of it. What's the justification for it? It's one of the checks and balances.

[B]

He can push back against, like the judicial. So if the judicial is going after someone, that he can then pardon them.

[A]

But that doesn't seem like a balance.

[B]

Well, the idea is like, oh, the.

[A]

Judicial seems like total power.

[B]

The, the judicial is going after people unfairly. And then you have. The president's able to be like, no, no, you guys are overstepped.

[A]

How can they go after people unfairly if it's decided by a jury of their Opinion.

[B]

I guess the idea is like you're levying all these charges that are frivolous and then you're able to get them on something.

[A]

But ultimately the jury of your peers is the check against the judicial system. So if you think the judicial system is doing something abusive, then a jury of your peers sets in and goes, no, that's not the case. I just think it's like a weird amount of power to bestow upon the president.

[C]

I would do away with parties.

[A]

The founders intentionally designed it as a kind of emergency break on the justice system. So just in case the justice system got out of whack. Lack.

[B]

Well, also they can only forgive federal crimes. So it's against the federal judicial system.

[A]

Like state crimes.

[C]

You can't.

[A]

I think the governor can let you.

[B]

Out for state crimes of your state.

[A]

Interesting. And then like what would a federal crime be? Is that based on jurisdiction or is that based on the type of crime?

[B]

I think jurisdiction. I'm gonna go.

[A]

If like you go across state lines, it becomes federal.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like Luigi is up for state crim crime and federal.

[C]

See, but then there's times where pardoning is good. Like the Central Park Five. That was a good pardon.

[D]

Sorry guys.

[A]

A federal crime is any act that violates a law passed by the US Congress, typically involving national interests crossing state lines, occurring on federal property or affecting federal agencies, and is prosecuted by the federal government of federal court. Unlike state crimes handed handled locally. Common examples include terrorism, mail fraud, kidnapping, cross state lines, drug trafficking, counterfeiting, tax evasion and cyber crimes.

[B]

So stuff you need to get pardoned for little. You know what I mean?

[A]

You do a little.

[B]

You do a little drug trafficking, some tax evasion, some kidnapping, and you need someone to step in and cover you, you know?

[C]

Yeah, let's be honest, this shit is tax evasion.

[A]

Like is this. That's what it is, right? I mean now probably this is like a white. It's white collar shit so you could look after your homies before you get out of office. Because what terrorist is getting, oh I guess January 6th.

Kidnapping across state lines. No one's pardon you for that. Drug trafficking maybe like I could see you pardoning someone if you were drug trafficking, but like the CIA was the one that was importing the drugs from like some sexual American.

[B]

What if you like a whistleblower lower and you come out and you're like, hey, this company's doing some terrible. Or like the CIA is doing something up, they put you in jail and then two years go by and we go like Actually, he doesn't need life in prison.

[A]

They put the right jail for treason. Right. But in reality, you did the right thing. It was patriotic.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they bail you out.

[A]

Got. Okay. All right.

[C]

And I think that's how they used to use it. And now they just abusing the.

[B]

They gotta let us vote. I think we gotta put it up to a vote, like America's Got Talent style. You bring five of them out and be like, all right, what did you do? Why should you be out?

[C]

And then we decide.

[B]

It's. It's call in Ryan Seacrest host America's Got Pardons. Exactly. And you bail people out. And then we get to choose. Be like, all right, this guy can come out.

[A]

Yeah. This is late stage capitalism. It might be.

[B]

We run ads on it. It'll be great.

[A]

It might be a rap.

[B]

And then we just let people out and see what they're going to do when they get out. What's going to be your first order of business, you know?

[A]

All right, that's all the Diddy, man. That's. That's enough Diddy. Enough Diddy. Do not mess with 50. Do not make him a mortal enemy of yours. That is a horrible decision.

Also, don't beat and abuse and guys against their will or women against their will. That ends up biting you in the long run.

But, yeah, listen, we got a lot to talk about on Patreon. We got to talk about Matt Barnes getting. Sending $60,000 to a AI chick on Instagram. Allegedly. Give him his money back.

[D]

Back.

[A]

He should donate that to charity. Matt's. You know, Zuckerberg should give him his money back. And then Matt donates that to charity.

[D]

That'd be sick.

[A]

Yeah. For online awareness. That's a good thing to do. I think that's a good thing to do. That we could all support. And it's a great charitable donation. You were already throwing it to charity. You might as well continue that. Okay.

[D]

That was her name.

[A]

Yeah. But yeah, we got a lot to talk about. Patreon, man. Quentin Tarantino coming on. Tell us more actors he hates. So we gotta talk. Poor Paul Dano just waking up that morning going on the Internet. Yo, what was that? Great actor me for it. Exactly. What. What movie did you turn down of Tarantino?

[D]

Had to be.

[A]

It had that.

[D]

Because Paul Dano is a beast dude.

[A]

There will be.

[D]

He's unbelievable.

[A]

Good actor. Good actor. He was good as the Riddler.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

We're gonna. We're gonna get through it. And we gotta talk about Netflix.

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

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