Everything The Odyssey Got Wrong… & Why It’s Better

Summary

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Flagrant Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode: Everything The Odyssey Got Wrong… & Why It’s Better

Date: July 23, 2026
Hosts: Andrew Schulz, AlexxMedia, Mark Gagnon, Miles, David, Special Guests

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Overview

This episode of Flagrant takes an unfiltered comedic deep dive into Christopher Nolan’s new adaptation of The Odyssey. The crew (Schulz, Alexx, Mark, Miles, and friends) debate everything Nolan’s film “got wrong” versus the original ancient epic—and why maybe that makes it a better movie. Along the way, they riff on Greek myths, oral tradition, modern filmmaking, casting controversies, CGI versus practical effects, and slide smoothly into the World Cup and international soccer. Raw, unruly, and wildly entertaining, it’s both a roast and celebration of movies, myth, and fandom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Interpretations of The Odyssey and Oral Tradition

• No "Original" Odyssey: The team immediately tackles complaints about Nolan's vision diverging from the "real" Odyssey, arguing that the classic itself was always retold, misremembered, and altered over time.

  "We don't have a real one. Yeah, we have some guy's interpretation of the Odyssey, like, 700 years later." – Andrew, [00:33]

• Oral storytelling’s role: The Odyssey survived for thousands of years via retellings—each a remix. Nolan casting a modern poet (Travis Scott) to begin the saga is likened to ancient bards adapting stories for their own time.

  "The Odyssey was told...at bars and shit, basically. Retelling the story over and over big Greek festivals, and they would, like, kind of change it, add their little things, put themselves in it." – Miles, [03:55]

Riffing on Nolan’s Casting & Modernization

• Debate on diverse casting (Travis Scott, Lupita Nyong’o, Elliot Page) and modern cameos: some online critics lost their minds, but the hosts argue it's both in the spirit of oral myth and just a fun flex.

  "Also, there was probably mad black people in ancient Greece, right? It should have been more... Let's not get carried away." – Andrew, [02:45]

• On audience reactions and cameos:

  "The beauty of old people watching this is that the cameos don't take them out of it..." – Miles, [02:09]

The Character of Odysseus: Dick or Hero?

• Original Odysseus: kind of a jerk—prideful, vengeful, and not especially likable.
• Nolan’s Odysseus: softened, more relatable and honorable, but possibly less interesting, claim some (esp. Al):

  "Odysseus was an asshole... Nolan made it better than the original. If you read the original, Nolan's version is 10 times better because Odysseus isn't a dick." – Andrew, [08:17]

• The hosts debate whether Nolan should've leaned into Odysseus’s pride/ego or made him likable from the start.
• The symbolism of the Sirens and the lotus flower as stand-ins for ego, temptation, and the desire to forget pain via pleasure or distraction; also, how mythology simplifies and mythologizes basic human dilemmas.

Adaptation vs. Source: What Should Be Kept, What Should Change?

• Much is cut or rearranged: e.g., the "nobody" trick with the Cyclops is missed (to the group's dismay) ([21:47]); classic moments from the original are absent.
• Some epic and darker elements from the original are left out (Odysseus’s mother’s death, killing the unfaithful slave women, potential Penelope infidelity).
• The team debates which departures are brilliant, which are annoying, and whether the film should be more faithful or not.

  "I'm even more upset that Nolan kept this stuff out of it." – Al, [40:33]

The Art of Story: Simplicity, Archetypes & Why These Epics Persist

• The story sticks around because it's fundamentally relatable (“A guy is trying to get back to his wife before other guys fuck her”).

  "This story is the simplest, most relatable story in the world." – Andrew, [33:15]

• Modern storytelling, jokes, blockbusters—even sneakers—stick when they riff on the most basic, fundamental drama, just with a new spin. All good stories, they posit, are just new riffs on three or four primal myths (Bible, Odyssey, Shakespeare, etc.).

  "The only stories that will persist for thousands and thousands of years are that." – Andrew, [35:26]

Practical Effects vs. CGI: Filmmaking Then and Now

• Huge praise for Nolan’s commitment to practical effects:

  “He wants actors acting with the things...the best performance.” – Andrew, [68:09]

• But mixed reviews: some effects, like the Cyclops, fall flat for Alexx; others (the whirlpool, pig transformation) blow their minds when they realize they’re real.
• The democratization of CGI (everyone can do it now) means it no longer impresses; practical, hands-on effects regain their value for storytellers.

  “Getting AI to do that or CGI to do that is unimpressive. There’s something representative of human hours, a human being doing problem solving.” – Andrew, [71:44]

Movie Ranking Debate – Is This Nolan’s Best?

• Schulz calls it “one of the greatest movies I’ve ever seen...I think it’s his best movie” ([10:39]), and the group roasts him for recency bias.
• Long discussion comparing it to Inception, The Dark Knight, Interstellar, and others. General consensus: It’s epic, but maybe not #1.

Cultural Representation & Online Backlash

• Discussion of racial and gender casting in Greek myths, and right-wing YouTube takes on Elliot Page or Lupita’s roles.
• Their verdict: These “controversies” are overblown (and often clickbait). As long as it fits the world and isn’t forced, it’s fine.

  "The Elliot Page thing is like, it's like a nothing role...It's literally just like the Daily Wire saying so that they could react to it." – Andrew, [84:17]

Relatability and Myth: Why The Odyssey (and Bible) Survive

• Epic stories survive on their core resonance—the simplest possible version of human experience, done with singular flair.
• Comparison to how sports, jokes, sneakers, painting all have their roots in fundamentals (and AI/tech can't replace the value of human imperfection).

World Cup & Soccer Fandom Chaos (75:04+)

• The second half of the episode pivots into a passionate, rowdy breakdown of the World Cup, live experience vs. TV, and some very funny inside arguments between the Flagrant crew about fandom, soccer culture, and who has the right to wear a jersey ([101:01 – 107:56]).
• Extended riff on soccer corruption, match fixing, and which country’s fans are the wildest.
• Comparison of Spanish, American, and Argentine soccer, with recurrent jabs and playful squabbling.

  “Soccer fans are ruthless, bro. All we do is get shit wrong. That’s the mythology of our podcast. Just say some wrong shit. Who cares?” – Andrew, [100:47]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Myth-Making:
  "Nolan made it better than the original...If you read the original, Nolan's version is 10 times better because Odysseus isn't a dick." – Andrew, [08:17]

• On Human Motivation:
  "A guy's trying to get back to his wife before other guys fuck her. Like, at its core." – Andrew, [33:15]

• On Practical Effects:
  "Getting AI to do that or CGI to do that is unimpressive. There's something representative of human hours, a human being doing problem solving." – Andrew, [71:44]

• On Casting "Controversies": "It’s literally just like the Daily Wire saying so that they could react to it… As long as it doesn't feel forced...Who cares?" – Andrew, [84:17, 83:28-86:32]

• On Sports & Fandom:
  “Soccer fans are ruthless, bro. All we do is get shit wrong. That’s the mythology of our podcast. Just say some wrong shit. Who cares?” – Andrew, [100:47]

• On Recency Bias:
  "You're Mr. Prisoner of the moment. We all notice. That's why you think it's the greatest movie of all time. When you really put this up against all Nolan's films. There's no way you say this is the best one." – Al, [54:14]

• On Universal Themes:
  “Every movie is the Odyssey. And there's like a hot take that's kind of going around where it's like, what was the nuclear bomb movie? Oppenheimer. People are like, oppenheimer is the same. Kind of... Like, no, everything is the Odyssey.” – Andrew, [55:11]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:33: Opening discussion on myth & interpretation – "There is no real Odyssey"
• 02:45: Controversy on diverse casting (Travis Scott, Lupita)
• 08:17: Nolan makes Odysseus less of a "dick"—is that better?
• 21:47: "Nobody" trick in Cyclops scene missed by the movie
• 33:15: Simplest version of the Odyssey's plot—and why that's the point
• 40:33: What the movie leaves out: Sirens, Odysseus' mother, darker Greek stuff
• 55:11 – 56:11: Every Nolan movie as an Odyssey riff, the roots of archetypal storytelling
• 68:09: Nolan's commitment to practical effects and why CGI has lost its magic
• 75:04+: Shift to World Cup – shirts, fandom, keeping your jersey
• 100:47: Soccer fans and Flagrant podcast’s myth: "Just say some wrong shit. Who cares?"

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Tone and Style

• Playful, irreverent, heated-but-affectionate debate: The boys rag on each other constantly, drop “bro” and “son” left and right, and refuse to let any opinion slide unchallenged. The energy is "barbershop mythological."
• Deep but unserious: They routinely veer from intellectual to silly, always with a comedic edge.
• Total disregard for gatekeeping: Every hot take is welcome—this is not for classics scholars or football ultras, it’s for the fans.

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Final Words

Flagrant’s take: Whether Nolan was true to the epic is beside the point. Myths survive because every generation retells them their way. Nolan made The Odyssey for his own era—with new actors, motives, and methods. Maybe the gods will forgive him. Either way, no movie is safe from a Flagrant roast—or a little love.

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Transcript

[Andrew Schultz]

What's up, everybody? Welcome to Flagrant. It's your boy Schultze. I'm here at Daleks Media. Marky Gags Miles Media Shifty's lurking in the room somewhere. Spooky. We all just saw the Odyssey except for Mark. Mark is continuing his I refuse to watch movies.

[Miles]

It's not even on purpose. I don't know if y' all have time.

[Andrew Schultz]

Mark did a whole podcast for camp about the Odyssey without seeing the fucking Odyssey. Nobody cares about the old Odyssey source material.

[Miles]

Source material. I'm going to Ancient sources, son.

[Andrew Schultz]

The ancient sources are fake, too.

[Miles]

Nah, that's real to me.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is the funny thing about, like, everybody's like, oh, oh. Nolan's interpretation from the Odyssey is different from the real one. And it's like, we don't have a real one. Yeah, we have some guy's interpretation of the Odyssey, like, 700 years later.

[Miles]

Now, Zeus is supposed to be Greek, bro. You can't make Zeus fucking Asian or whatever.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wait, was he Asian in this?

[Miles]

But if they did make him different races, that'd be hilarious. People will still be mad about it. They'd be like, dude, Zeus is supposed to be a white guy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Did you guys think at all about, like, all right, so Alex saw it, obviously. Miles saw it. Al is. Al's going to take the win right out of his sails. I already know.

[Al]

He's like, I'm going to be fair. I'm going to be fair.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's very Greek. Can I be honest with you?

[David]

It's very.

[Andrew Schultz]

I ran out the theater because I was watching this theater, and there was literally 12 people in there, and it was a tiny theater. It might have been, like, 60 seats. So, like, the exact opposite of how Nolan wanted you to watch this movie. Right? It could not be more opposite. And they all had, like, cartoonishly gray hair. It was all. It was like, 12 old people.

[Al]

That's the theater you go to get some. You don't watch movies there, so.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, because they would have no fucking clue. But anyway, they were all watching it, right? And I don't even know why I brought this up.

[Miles]

You ran out.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, I ran out because I didn't want to hear any of the old people complain because I saw Superman that same movie theater, okay? And before I could get out and feel the joy of the movie that I really like, they were like, oh, it's not like the old Superman. So I ran out before I could have anybody mess it up. So when I hit the chat, and then you, later that night, said to me, you're like three and a half out of five stars. I was like, it's okay. I already had 24 hours of enjoying this before Alex ruins it for me.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah. Now, the beauty of old people watching this is that the cameos don't take them out of it. You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

I'll tell you one thing, Lupita Nyong' o took them out of it immediately.

[Miles]

How was that? Maybe a little. But, like, my buddy went and saw with his mom and she was like, the opening scene is Travis Scott.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And he goes, fucking Travis Scott. And she goes, what actor is that? So she had no idea. So all the cameos, Elliot Page, they're just like, human.

[Al]

My shorty didn't know that was Travis Scott until after the movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

But everybody got so upset about the Travis Scott pick. Like, I get it.

[Al]

No, they got upset about the black people.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, not even about the black shit. Also, there was probably mad black people in ancient Greece, right? It should have been more. Oh, really?

[Al]

In the movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let's not get carried away. What happened to all them when they went to hell. The only time everybody's black in the movie is when they're in Hades. That's kind of up, right? Come on, Nolan, you're better than that. But, but, yeah, like, I think, I assume the idea was this was an ancient poem and poets back in the day would retell this story to people. So they're taking a modern poet and starting the retelling of the story through him.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Is that that far fetched?

[Miles]

No, that's. That's the. That's what the defenders would say.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's the only rapper that fudgeing Nolan knows probably. Like, I'm. I mean, dead serious. Like, you would be surprised how many people get cast and things based on, like, their kids liking.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So Nolan's kid's favorite rapper is probably Travis Scott. He thinks that's the only rapper that exists. Yeah. And he's like, I got fucking Travis Scott.

[Miles]

I got the rapper.

[Andrew Schultz]

And everyone else is like, oh, it's because he likes Batman. There's nothing. There's no correlation whatsoever.

[Miles]

But, yeah, I mean, that's kind of how the Odyssey was told. It was a bunch of people, like, at bars and shit, basically, back in the day, retelling the story over and over big Greek festivals, and they would, like, kind of change it, add their little things, put themselves in it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Also, just want to clarify, no spoiler alerts this entire episode. So, you guys, if you haven't watched it, you will be you don't have to say that.

[Miles]

This is a 2000 year old story.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, I just wanted to say, say that because we're going to spoil the out. Yeah, like game. I was like, no spoil.

[Miles]

Heard anything about the honesty at this point?

[Al]

Dude, I know. Fast forward to this part right here if you don't want to hear about the.

[David]

No, we're not doing that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Passion of Christ Miles is going to

[Al]

put the time stamp right here, guys.

[Guest]

Right.

[David]

I'm going to put the time stamp where Al cuts something out of his body.

[Andrew Schultz]

Anyway, I didn't, I didn't have any issue with the Travis Scott like opening up. I kind of saw what he was going to do. And also if you think about it like if the history is oral, it's an oral tradition. Right. Like this story has been maintained over thousands of years before people were writing anything down simply because it was a fire story and people like to retell it. Right. So kind of the movie is all. Not all, a lot of it is told through story. Yeah. You know, so it's like Matt Damon's character is talking to Charlize Theron and she's like, tell me what you remember. And then look at this story. And then you heard John Bernthal's characters talking to Tom Holland and this is what happened. So the oral tradition exists within the movie, which I thought was kind of fire. It's a nice little.

[Miles]

The story in and of itself is a tall tale. Like it's all told flashback from Odysseus being like, nod, the craziest shit happened ever.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And then him just making up stuff.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Al]

Is it foul to say like this is the same way the Bible came together? No, because isn't it the same?

[Miles]

To an extent you could say, yeah.

[Al]

It was just oral for mad long and then eventually somebody wrote it down and then some interpretation of it is different from other people's interpretation.

[Miles]

You could say that the Bible is wholly true and pure.

[Andrew Schultz]

Was it oral forever? None of the apostles were writing down.

[Miles]

It was like shortly after the death of Christ, they were starting to like write down letters and stuff like that. It's a long time, maybe a decade, something like that. You know, sources differ on this is it. But then you got the Old Testament, you got the ot. You know, I mean, ot, they're writing that shit down.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, but like. So what are you trying to say? That it like didn't happen? Which one are you trying to say didn't happen? Which one got.

[Al]

Which one's More believable interpretation is all

[Andrew Schultz]

everybody's saying this story is unbelievable. You don't think a guy who's been away for 10 years at war is going to take the long way home. Like, I think people like, when you go home from work.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah. You take a scenic route.

[Andrew Schultz]

Fuck, I'm going to take the tribe. Sometimes you're not trying to get right

[Al]

back to the spot.

[Miles]

You got to see the Hudson a little and then come back.

[Andrew Schultz]

Enjoy the spoils of war.

[Miles]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schultz]

You win the war and you're not going to celebrate a little bit.

[Miles]

Exactly. It is funny because they're like, dude, the journey took 20 years. It's like it took a couple. And he was on an island banging Calypso for a decade.

[Andrew Schultz]

That was another thing. They didn't have any. And Cersei and went back, you know, he went back to the Cersei lady.

[Miles]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

And put a seed in her.

[Miles]

Hmm.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is crazy.

[Al]

I see that.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is. This is. This allegedly happens after. But he gets the pig lady pregnant without even knowing she is a kid.

[Al]

That ugly bitch.

[Andrew Schultz]

But back in the day, maybe it was different.

[Miles]

Yeah. You're at sea for a while, you know, sea goggles changes things.

[Guest]

Oh.

[Miles]

You know what I'm saying?

[Al]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David]

So.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then I guess maybe this happens. I learned it from the Internet, so who knows? But has a kid. Kid goes to look for his dad, finds Odysseus on an island randomly doesn't know his dad, kills him, marries Odysseus's wife, which is his mother. Kind of.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Half mom. And then Tom Holland's character goes and marries Cersei.

[Miles]

So hot. What version is this?

[Andrew Schultz]

TikTok, bro, don't ask questions. Yo, go see the Odyssey people that

[Al]

they write their own versions of Harry Potter and like that. Yeah, yeah, this is this.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's. Yeah, that's literally what this is. Oh, okay.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And the version that we got is just like low key. The original version could be ass.

[Miles]

I don't remember that.

[Andrew Schultz]

It could be ass. And the version we got was the first dude to write it down. And he might have been the greatest interpreter ever.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's why I'm like, anybody criticizing Nolan is like, Nolan made it better than the original. Like, this is. If you read the original, Nolan's version is 10 times better because Odysseus isn't a dick.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, if he made Odysseus a likable character you could root for that was like, vulnerable. That's not Odysseus.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Odysseus was an like, the whole journey is him dealing with his pride. Pride becomes hubris, and he thinks he could take on the gods and all this stuff, and they're, like, little glimpses of it in the story, in, like, in Nolan's version, and they don't even really make sense.

[Al]

That was one of the things I didn't like about it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Talk to me.

[Al]

So it's like you either have to make him the likable guy, or he has to be the asshole who becomes the likable.

[Andrew Schultz]

Tell me the two glaring moments for

[Al]

you when he shoots a fucking giant and. Fuck, what was the other one?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, not the psychopathic for no reason.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Fuck.

[Al]

And then I think I kind of felt this when he was, like, lying to his people, even though I know he was trying to protect them. But what's the second part?

[Andrew Schultz]

Why do you got to hear the sirens? That's pure ego.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

To me, it's pure ego. Now I get it.

[Miles]

I get it,

[Andrew Schultz]

right? Like, these people are willing to kill themselves.

[Al]

I want to be the only one to hear it in Lisbon.

[Andrew Schultz]

Pure ego. It's like, I thought you're trying to get home to your wife and kid, but you're gonna risk all that just to hear it?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So.

[Miles]

Nah, you want to hear it, bro. You just want to know.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, we all want to do a lot of things we're not supposed to do. That's the whole point of the Odyssey.

[Miles]

You want to hear. That's. That's the human instinct to be like, yo, I need to know.

[Andrew Schultz]

I want to take the lotus flower and forget everything that's happened. That's g me pain. Yeah, but the only way home is through.

[Miles]

Yeah, I know, but zan bars are fire. You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew Schultz]

So it's like, yo, that's what the lotus flower is.

[Miles]

That's what I'm saying. It's like, yo, you got to go home tonight, right? You got your girl back home. You're like, yeah, but my boy's got. He's going to keep me, sneak me. Do I stop it? That's what that. That's the human condition. And that's.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think, in the original Odyssey, the original fake one that the guy interpreted for himself. I don't think he takes the lotus flower.

[David]

He doesn't.

[Andrew Schultz]

And it doesn't happen with Calypso.

[Miles]

No, Those are two separate things.

[Andrew Schultz]

So the homies all take it because they want to forget what happens.

[David]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And then he's got to, like, tie him down to the boat and bring

[Andrew Schultz]

him back yeah, he's like, I'm determined.

[Miles]

So he's the good guy in that one. Yeah, yeah.

[Al]

What, you give the movie out of five stars?

[Andrew Schultz]

I think it's. I think it's. I think it's one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. I think Christopher Nolan is the greatest filmmaker that we've ever seen, and

[David]

I

[Andrew Schultz]

think it's his best movie.

[Al]

Bullshit.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can I. Can I make a. Can I make a little argument here? All right, okay.

[Al]

Best movie.

[David]

It's up there.

[Andrew Schultz]

Movies are bag. I'm done with this guy.

[Al]

Yo.

[Miles]

All right.

[Al]

Movies are done now, bro. Now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Movies are done now.

[Al]

I'm sorry.

[Andrew Schultz]

Movies are back.

[Al]

This guy. No, in all seriousness, do not believe anything he said.

[Andrew Schultz]

This could only this gu function in a theater.

[Al]

Okay?

[Andrew Schultz]

If you put it streaming, I think that we would be, like, scrolling. We'd be kind of distracted by shit. Because, let's be honest, it's about an hour and 45 minutes of build up, and then the last 45 to an hour is Jordan in a closeout game.

[Al]

Okay?

[Andrew Schultz]

But the first hour, 45, if you're at home with all distractions that you have, you have Instagram, you're Googling shit, your friends are saying, your aunt answering text messages. You got work you got to do. I don't know if you're hanging out through, like, okay, it's a Cyclops. Okay, here's some tall giants. Okay, here's a girl that turns people into pigs. Like, that part, like, to me, I was like, you got to honor the story. I get it.

[Al]

But it really sounds like you're describing the best movie ever.

[Andrew Schultz]

The last hour, you realize what all that meant. And he edges you for an hour.

[Al]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

Or edges you for two hours. And then the last hour, I was literally, like, getting up out of my seat. Like, I had my hands in the fucking air, dude. When he strums the bow in that final scene, and then it matches up with the music because there's two regular strums. Then he does the third beat. The idea. The only other times he strummed the bow in the movie is for what reason? To let the. You got to warn your prey.

[Al]

Yeah, the stupid as fuck.

[Andrew Schultz]

But again, this is a version of him being an honorable man. Which Odysseus wouldn't be. Like, the actual Odysseus from the Odyssey would never strum a bow. He'd see an animal, and it was like, you know, feeding its kid, and he would crack it over the head with a rock.

[Miles]

Hellfire missile.

[Andrew Schultz]

Stupid fucking idiot. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the fact that he's warning his prey and his prey are all in there, and the only person that gets is the person that's seen him do that in the past is Robert Pattinson's character. And he just dips immediately because he knows what time it is.

[Al]

But it's like he. All this time away, finally he's getting over his pride and his ego and he's making it home. And then I want to take on 100 niggas by myself. That is getting over pride and ego. Not trying to talk to them first, maybe, hey, do you guys actually respect me if I show you who I am?

[Andrew Schultz]

But he.

[Al]

But he let me lock you niggas in a room, and I'm going to take you on 101. Does that. Is that the actions of somebody who really wants to be with his wife? Well, here's trying to die.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I know what he's talking about. Maybe Penelope shit stink a little because, like, there's no reason you're going to war for 10 years and taking a long way back.

[Al]

That's why she need the gate.

[Andrew Schultz]

And he went,

[Al]

yeah, you just need a little distance. But from a distance, I'm a bad bitch. But don't get a whiff of it,

[Andrew Schultz]

you know, because there's. There is some. There's got to be some truth to that. Like, that's a crazy. That's a crazy journey. Okay, quick tour announcements. We're about to release a bunch of dates that we're going to in the fall. We've set up this system where you can literally text Schultz to 858-758-2309. Or you just go to theandrew Schultz.com and drop your phone number in the website and you will be notified if we are coming to a place near you or you'll be notified early when we are going to release those tickets. Okay. I know that we've been playing a lot of these clubs, and, you know, the clubs are not that big, so, you know, the tickets might go quickly. This is how we get the hour ready and how we get ready to do the the tour. So that's going to be happening the fall. I want to give you guys, obviously the people who are listening to the Soul Asshole army, the opportunity to get them first. So if you go text that or you go to the website, fill it out, they're going to give you first access to absolutely everything. And I want you guys to get that. I appreciate how much you guys support. Also, quick update. Remember this Weekend. We moved the shows from Brea last weekend to this weekend, and we added two more on Thursday. So when this is coming out, if you had tickets last week, and obviously they're still good for this weekend. If you guys need refunds or anything because you can't make it, the club will absolutely make sure that happens. You DM me if there is any issue at all, and I will get back to you, I promise. Sorry about the inconvenience. I really apologize. And we added more shows and more people could be able to go, and we'll work with their schedules. Also, Halifax will be there August 8th at Garrison Grounds.

[David]

Man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Halifax, Nova Scotia, August 8th. Gonna be an amazing show out there outdoors. Insane. And we've got an absolutely incredible show for you guys to go see. So come indulge and, yeah, go check that out for updates. And very excited to release this next batch of shows, man.

[Miles]

What's up, people? Great news. I'm gonna be coming to a bunch of CDs at the end of the year to do standup comedy. I would love for you guys to join me. I'm going to Plano, Texas, Chandler, Arizona, Pasadena, California, San Diego, Detroit, and Salt Lake City. I would love for y' all to come on out. I' you guys at the shows.

[Al]

Guys, this Saturday, I plan to see you guys all at my second tennis clinic that I'm throwing. First two sold out, so we decided to do a third one. The next one's going to be August 22nd, if you don't miss this one, because, hey, we're probably going to sell out again. Tickets [e-mail]. see you there. Peace.

[Andrew Schultz]

And, like, purposely takes the long way. He could have went with Agamemnon, right? Agamemnon's taking the trade routes. And he goes, nah, let's just see what's out there in the ocean. Like, no urgency to get back to the wife and kid or the kingdom. And I think Nolan's interpretation is fire, which is like, I didn't want to go home. I knew what we did. We broke Zeus's law. That's going to spill across civilization. We broke the one thing that holds civilization together, right this, like. And some people are trying to project, like, kind of Christian morality onto it. But I think that Zeus's law is like Xenia or something like that.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Video zinnia.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Hospitality.

[Andrew Schultz]

Hospitality. So it's basically like, you know, we're seafare people. You're gonna bump into some, like, town. You don't know anybody, but you need them to survive. Let's just make sure it's mutual and we'll all kind of get along. Yeah, works out great. And Christianity, probably in every other culture, adopts a version of this. Treat people how you want to be treated. But so, like, him going back and up all the suitors is also breaking Zenia's law, and that's why he's exiled.

[Miles]

But I think they broke Zenia first by eating a ball of trying to bang his girl.

[Andrew Schultz]

So I thought about that. I don't think they did.

[Al]

They didn't because they didn't attack him. As long as you don't attack any of the people there. Like.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, not even him. Well, technically, they try to kill his son or whatever, but, like, they held

[Miles]

back, but they were plotting to kill.

[Al]

Plotting, but then they held back.

[Andrew Schultz]

They didn't hold back. He held them back. He killed them all in Athena's tomb.

[Al]

They weren't in the house.

[Andrew Schultz]

It doesn't matter where you.

[David]

Nah.

[Al]

If you're outside the house, the rules

[Andrew Schultz]

don't apply no more.

[Al]

Now, now, we boys, Zeus's law is,

[David]

like, specifically towards eating and where you eat.

[Miles]

All right?

[Andrew Schultz]

So here, here, check it. They overstayed their welcome.

[Al]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Which is arguably breaking the law. Like, as. As a visitor, you got to come with a gift, and you got to not take too much. You got to respect the host.

[Miles]

They were drinking the wine drive.

[Andrew Schultz]

You drinking the wine drive. But here's the thing. They think Odysseus is dead. It's been 20 years. Anybody who doesn't think. There's one person that doesn't think Odysseus is dead.

[Miles]

The dog.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, Argos. And they got loyalty built in. Also Argosy Nagabi. That little.

[Al]

I started sounding like a doctor, but that was a scene.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I had to. That was crazy, bro.

[Miles]

That's how fire dogs are. He wrote that 2,000 years ago. Two thousand years ago, we were like, yo, dogs are the only ones that

[Andrew Schultz]

will rob you forever.

[Miles]

And you, mayus.

[Guest]

And.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you Mayus believed he was dead. He just rode for him forever.

[Miles]

But the fact that he took him in without even knowing who he was. Fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

Think about it. Because he still has the code. He still believes Zeus code. But the other thing is, think about Umas and the dog. They're metaphors for Ithaca and civilization. They're decomposing when you first meet these people, right? They are amazing warriors. The dog's this loyal, spry thing, and by the end, he's just lying in fucking shit. This is what has happened to your great kingdom. This is what happened to your society. And the second he comes back, I guess there's this like transfer. He's like Argos knows he can go because you know the king is home.

[Al]

This thing have been watching mad YouTube videos, son.

[Andrew Schultz]

I love it. I love it. I think it's.

[Miles]

You get why it's the greatest story. This is why Alexander the Great slept with it under his pillow, son. It was like it was the undergirding of all Greek civilization.

[Andrew Schultz]

So can I just respond to that fucking lie? This is the beauty. Beauty. This is the beauty of. Of ancient. You could just make it up.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And we can't say nothing about it. Like Alexander the Great didn't have a pillow. We're supposed to believe this is just marauding all around. Why did he have a pillow every night before he goes to sleep? Where's my copy of the Iliad and the Odyssey? Let me put it under here. Out of here.

[Miles]

But he had a pillow, bro. I'm telling you.

[Andrew Schultz]

You believe Alexander Degree was great. Was Greek. However.

[Miles]

Whatever.

[Andrew Schultz]

I. You believe he was straight. Nah. Not get carried away. Let's not get carried away.

[Miles]

One question about the cyclops in the movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, you were going to say something.

[Al]

I cut you off the. This was a movie that it was so long. Yeah, but it kept me engaged the whole time. I didn't feel like it was so long. So much so that I had to pee in a cup. Cuz I ain't want to miss a second of.

[Andrew Schultz]

I. I didn't get up to pee.

[Al]

I have to be real with the world. I got to get off my chest.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is the litmus test.

[David]

You keep.

[Guest]

I did.

[Al]

I did pack theater and the theater.

[Andrew Schultz]

Pack theater.

[Al]

Yeah, but I was. So It's a separate joint so nobody could see me.

[Andrew Schultz]

Fine.

[Miles]

How do you even do it? How do you do it?

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, you pull just out the side,

[Al]

hit the side joint.

[Miles]

So you pop it all the way out.

[Al]

Pop it out?

[Miles]

Is that a felony? Didn't Hughie Herman go to jail for this?

[Al]

I wasn't stroking it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, you don't shake it. You shake it. You displayed it.

[Miles]

Yeah, you displayed it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Displayed it. And there was kids in that fucking movie theater.

[Al]

I'm black. You couldn't see.

[Miles]

No, that's garnishing, right? That's technically garnishing. I'm pretty sure you can't do that.

[Andrew Schultz]

No garnishing.

[Miles]

You would.

[Andrew Schultz]

You would get hungry.

[Al]

On it.

[Miles]

Salt bed, dude.

[Andrew Schultz]

Anyway, you were going to ask so in.

[Miles]

When he's talking to Cyclops?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

He says, oh, it's. My name's nobody.

[Andrew Schultz]

He doesn't say it in the movie.

[Al]

I know.

[Miles]

That's, like, the best part. I love that. It's so clever.

[Andrew Schultz]

There are versions. So one of the things about Disus is he was the smartest, right? So, like, everything he did is clever. And he found ways to, like, outsmart the opponents. He's not like brute strength, like, you know, an Achilles is, or something like that. And his cleverness, I think there's. Is, like, his downfall in a way, because he thinks he's so clever that he can outsmart the gods.

[Miles]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

And he has to learn that lesson that.

[Miles]

No, you cannot. Because my understanding from the original, he's talking to Cyclops. He's like the cyclops trying to get him and all his boys. He says, I'm nobody. The cyclops yells out, nobody's hurting me. And then all the other Cyclops are like, oh, nobody's hurting you. Sounds like you're going crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

They said, who hurt you? He goes. He goes, nobody.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So they're like, oh, I guess nobody.

[Miles]

And then they say, pray to the gods you seem like you're sick.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And then he leaves. He gets on the boat and he goes, actually, I'm not nobody. I'm actually Odysseus, son of this guy,

[Andrew Schultz]

ruler of this kingdom, conqueror of cities.

[Miles]

Yeah. And then that's how the cyclops knows. And then the cyclops tells his daddy, Poseidon. Who's Poseidon? And then he fucks up the sails

[Andrew Schultz]

and the seas and Poseidon curses him, and that's why he has to go everywhere.

[Miles]

And all that's in the movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that. No, that's not.

[Miles]

That's the best shot. It also makes more sense because he doesn't take the long way home because he's being a dick. He's taking the long way home because the gods are cursing him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, well, yes, 100%. And in the movie, he takes. It doesn't take the long way. He takes a different way because he's like, I'm done being with Agamemnon. Like, I think he never want to go to war in the first place.

[Al]

But they don't explain why he would do that. If you're trying to get home to your wife and this is the trade route to go home, it doesn't explain why you would choose to take the long way. And I didn't like it.

[Andrew Schultz]

My understanding, the explanation, and I think he learned this when he's kidnapped with Calypso, is that he knew what he did. So let's go back to this Trojan horse thing. When we learned about. I think it's Fagles version of the Odyssey. I think that's the most common one that we all do. There's another version, Rachel Wilson, I think. And some say that, like, Nolan is working off her adaptation, which is like, maybe, like a little bit more soft. You know, the Internet is more feminized or whatever. It doesn't matter. Like, he basically has more trauma based on what happened and feels worse about what happened in Troy versus Fagel's interpretation is like. He's like, I'm the boy. Did you see what I did? So when we read the Odyssey, we thought the horse was this genius feat in war. That's how I always interpreted what a Trojan.

[Miles]

The enemy.

[Andrew Schultz]

We outsmarted the enemy. Nolan's interpretation is you broke Zeus's law. You offered up the horse as a gift.

[Miles]

Hospitality.

[Andrew Schultz]

Hospitality. And then took advantage of that. And then in the movie, while there, they cut Athena's head off and there's a statue of Athena. And when you see Tom Holland's wife. What's her name? Euphoria.

[Miles]

Zendaya.

[Andrew Schultz]

Zendaya. Throughout the movie, she's representative, I think of like a young priestess, like a young girl that lived in Troy that was, you know, a part of the Church of Athena or whatever it was

[Al]

another thing I didn't like.

[David]

I think she's supposed to be Athena.

[Al]

She's supposed to be Athena.

[Miles]

Well, well.

[Andrew Schultz]

But she is. Her look is supposed to represent this young girl that gets beheaded or whatever there. And it's a reminder to Damon or Odysseus what he did this act breaking Zeus's law. What he didn't. He has to deal with that every single second.

[Miles]

Interesting that he sees her.

[Al]

And that was another thing I didn't like. I feel like they just wanted to jam pack this full of a list. Zendaya added nothing to the story. This is the first time I've ever seen her acting where it's like, you didn't do anything. Like, she usually blows me away. She usually steals scenes. She's like an actress. I feel like they didn't give her anything to do that's interesting. I'm just gonna sit here and remind you of guilt, but really not say anything that important. Anything monumental. Can you remember a single line she said?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, but I do the scene where she's on the cross where they're gonna cut her head off. And then they juxtapose it with, like, slicing the head of the statue off I thought was acted like beautifully. I mean, she's also ethereal. Like, just the way that she looks. She has this heavenly look to her. So maybe there's part of that.

[Al]

But it's like the whole time you're thinking, oh, she's just reminding him of one of the people they killed in Troy. But the whole time, she's supposed to be Athena. She doesn't really make that.

[Andrew Schultz]

She doesn't have the death of Damon's character or Anne Hathaway. Who's the fucking goat? Anne Hathaway might be the fucking goat.

[Al]

She killed it, dude. She killed it. Damon killed it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Damon.

[Al]

Another thing I didn't like. They made Tom a pussy, bro. How you train, fighting, all. Like, all this training, and then the two times you fighting, you're getting your shit pushed in.

[Miles]

Yeah, that's Telemachus. Yeah.

[Al]

Like, both times he was fighting and he was looking like a pussy.

[Andrew Schultz]

And he's 20.

[Al]

But you've been trained your whole life. You should be nice.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, that's what I'm saying. By that time, he's 20. It's not like he's a little boy.

[Miles]

Yeah, he's a prime.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, he's. He's at least 21 or whatever. If she was pregnant right before he left.

[Al]

Something like that.

[Miles]

Interesting.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah, I got it. I got it.

[Al]

Like, another thing I like, Helen's supposed to be the most beautiful person who started wars and all this type of stuff. No, no, no, no, no. I like the choice that. That they scarred her face. Cause it's like, oh, look. Even everybody was vying for this person who started wars and look at the result of wars and all that shit. But then you give her an identical twin sister. It takes away from her beauty. Why the fuck we're all fighting over this one, though? When you got an identical baddie.

[Miles]

I didn't know this.

[Al]

They gave her an identical twin sister.

[Andrew Schultz]

You take away from her beauty.

[Al]

But this is baddie.

[Andrew Schultz]

In Greece. They did that in, like, the Greek version of it. I don't know.

[Miles]

I don't think there's a twin.

[David]

No, he doesn't get scarred.

[Miles]

I never read that.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, hold on. Let's back up.

[Al]

She has sisters, but not an identical.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can. Can we just look? You're sure of that?

[Al]

I look this up. That's stupid.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, I think what happens is he. He had reached the limit of black people.

[Al]

He was Gonna still temper 10. Still 10 for 10.

[David]

She had one sister.

[Andrew Schultz]

Is. But was it a twin sister?

[David]

Nothing Here says twin.

[Al]

Come on.

[Miles]

His sister was Clymestra, and they were not usually described as twins.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sounds like a venereal.

[Miles]

She did have brothers that were twins. Castor and Pollux. And in some myths, Lada laid two eggs containing Helen, Clymestra, Castor, Pollux, but the exact sibling family. Compare.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, I think. I think. Chip it, I. No, no, no. I saw that and I was like, identical twin sisters. Weird, because, like, why are we fighting over this girl? The way that. The way that Nolan would justify it

[David]

is,

[Andrew Schultz]

I think Damon says it like, this wasn't a war over Helen. This is a war over shipping routes. And they needed to break the stronghold. Like, low key. I was like, is this a metaphor for the Strait of War moves? Like, what is this going to predict in the future? But remember, he said that Agamemnon wants to break the stranglehold that Troy has over the shipping routes.

[Al]

I get it, but the way. The way the story has been told for ages is 100%. They're fighting over this side. 100%.

[Andrew Schultz]

But maybe he can justify. Maybe that was done on purpose to justify. Like, it wasn't made over a pretty chick. No one would fucking go to war over a pretty chick. To me, that's even dumber. Like, there's no girl so beautiful you gotta go over war. There's plenty of beautiful women everywhere. But if this kingdom had control of the shipping routes, we need a justification to go over there for 10 years straight and bang out.

[Al]

I get it. But then if that's going to be the reason to do it, then her face doesn't need to be scarred.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think that the scarring. How I would interpret is how you did. Which is beautiful. Which is like, all beautiful things age and wither or get destroyed. And then what was it worth in the first place? Like, look what hubris does, look what pride does, look what ego does.

[Miles]

My understanding is that in the original, Paris takes Helen from Menelaus and that's what causes it. It's not that she's. It is that she's so beautiful.

[Andrew Schultz]

Take her, bro. Well, she wanted to be taken. That's the thing.

[Miles]

It's disputed in the version. Some versions say she was kidnapped, some versions say she went willingly, but ultimately it's ego.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like, kidnapped the willing, bro. You know what I mean? Let's keep it a buck. She was tight to be where they were. John Bernthal at the end, she was tight.

[Guest]

She didn't want it.

[Andrew Schultz]

She wouldn't be with Orlando Bloom. Yeah, yeah, she was Detroit.

[Guest]

I get it.

[Al]

You get it?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I get it. No disrespect to John. Great actor, but Orlando Bloom. God damn.

[Miles]

But it's like. It's ego. It's like Bowser's castle. You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Miles]

Like, you stole the princess. Now I got to get her back.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that is, you know, the death of man. Yeah. Is tied to ego. Yeah. You know, and I think, like, I guess in a lot of ways, there is the story there. It's like how you can be humble, but I like Nolan's version better. I like the idea of, like, yes, Miles.

[David]

There are some versions that say she was born from the same egg and used the word twin, but not a ton. It's not very like.

[Andrew Schultz]

So he grabbed a version and went with it. But even then, it lends itself more to Alex's thing, which is like, you don't got to fight a war. Just take your brother's girl. Be like, yo, they took mine.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Actually, no. Agamemnon's. Agamemnon also had the equally hottest girl in the world. So his brother. His brother would. Would have to lose his girl. And he'd be like, hey, man, Sucks. Yeah. This is what it is.

[Miles]

I know what you're missing.

[Andrew Schultz]

Literally. Yeah.

[Al]

I did like how they depicted Agamemnon, though. Like, he looked like a badass. Yeah.

[Miles]

Do they show the land of the Dead when he sees his mom?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, no.

[Miles]

This is fire from the original.

[David]

His parents aren't in it all, really.

[Guest]

No.

[Miles]

So in the original, he goes to

[Andrew Schultz]

the land of the dead.

[Miles]

He sees Achilles.

[David]

Yeah.

[Miles]

The greatest warrior to ever live. And Achilles is standing there in the land of the dead and says a crazy line. He goes, I would rather be a farmhand working in someone else's field instead of being the king over all the dead. And so it's just a fire line where you're like, yeah. Like, all this war and all this fighting, is it really worth it? Is it worth. And then he sees his mom, and this is the most devastating part. He goes to embrace her, and she falls through his arms three times and says that she died waiting for him to return.

[Al]

Damn. Oof.

[Miles]

And when you have that in the original, you're all of a sudden like, oh, his motivation ramps up. He's holding his own mother who died waiting for him, and now he's like,

[Al]

I gotta go back, man. They should have put that in, right?

[Miles]

Like, how beautiful is that?

[Al]

They should have put that in.

[Andrew Schultz]

To this. Talking about, like, parents and lineage, Agamemnon's dad is. I don't know, his father, Atreus, Timothy, Chalamet, and Dune is House Atreides, which is the direct lineage. Agamemnon.

[Miles]

Oh, that's cool.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's multiverse. Yeah, that's fire. I mean, it's happening thousands and thousands and thousands of years in the few in the future. But the idea is you are descendant of a lineage of kings. I thought that was kind of fun. And that's also the influence of the Odyssey on every story. Yeah, I mean, the.

[Al]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

The coolest thing about, like, especially the oral traditions that maintain. And the Bible is definitely one of these, is like, an oral tradition is only maintained in the same way that, like, a street joke is only maintained over thousands of years. If it's great and relatable. And this story is the simplest, most relatable story in the world. A guy is trying to get back to his wife before other guys her. Like, at its core. Yeah, yeah. It's like, before they. Her and kill his son. That at its simplest, you're like, I relate to it immediately. And I want that guy to get back. I immediately want that guy to get back. Why was he away? Because he had to fight a war he didn't want to fight? Yeah, I want to get back even more.

[Miles]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, and. And it really made me think of any story. Any story. How can you. What is the simplest version of. Of what is happening here? And, like, how do you mythologize. And how do you mythologize that? Even things that are happening in. In our reality without magical beasts. Like, what is the simplest version of it, you know? Like, I don't know. Like, I. I always heard this about, like, Transformers. Like, the simplest understanding of Transformers is just like a boy gets his first car

[Miles]

far.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what I mean? And, like, the excitement, the connectivity, the freedom. Yeah, right. Like, okay, I can get on board with that. And then you make the magic around it. Like, even. It made me think of that Tom Hanks movie, big movie where he goes into the gypsy thing and becomes an adult. And, like, I don't know if this is it, but, like, as I reflect back on it, is it, like, is it like, youth is beautiful and I miss it. And it isn't until you are placed into the responsibility of an adult that you get to go, man, we really had it good.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And what we would do to go back.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Miles]

You know, wasted on the young.

[Andrew Schultz]

Youth flies away.

[David]

So.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, it's just such a simple idea. And Then you build in all this, like, magic around it. Yeah.

[Miles]

That makes it relatable to, like, the present day, but the underlying thread is a human feeling.

[Andrew Schultz]

And, and the only stories that will persist for thousands and thousands of years are that. That, yeah, that's the only I, I, I stand by that. It's like. And it made me think of things that we're working on and, like, projects that we've written. And I'm like, what is the mythology of this? Like, if I could make this a Greek myth, what would it be? And if I can't explain it, we got to change it. Yeah. Like, how do we simplify it? And how do we simplify in a way where it's like, for centuries, people could feel that exact impact? And I think oftentimes, like, the best joke or the best screenplay, whatever, it's taking something that is very obvious and doing the best spin on it.

[David]

It.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

The best joke is not, like, the most out there, arbitrary, absurd thing. The best joke is a relationship joke.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Al]

The most relatable stuff.

[Miles]

It's the most fundamental thing done in a new way.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's the most fundamental thing done in a way that you've never seen before. You're like, how the. Did I not point that out?

[Miles]

Yeah. I mean, I think that goes across everything. Like, any type of art design. Like, think about, like, Virgil's shoes, right? It's like, okay, this is a relatable thing. I've seen a Jordan, but he's done

[Andrew Schultz]

it in a way I've never seen enough, you know?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Whereas, like, the super abstract, weird thing, you're like, okay, that might be cool for a little. It might trend for a little.

[Miles]

It's pushing too far.

[Andrew Schultz]

But we're never going to remember it.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

We'll wear the Jordan ones, or Air Force ones will go in and out of popularity for our entire lifetime, a version of it will exist for our kids, their kids. Like. Yeah. So. So how do you simplify everything? That's, that's literally. I went back to, like, projects that we're working on, and I, I was talking to guys and I'm like, what is the mythology of it?

[Miles]

Yeah. I mean, even, like the Bible, if you look at it just purely as fictional mythos, it's like a perfect person sacrifices the most valuable thing, his life for people that don't deserve it. Yes. It's like the most fundamental, like, the most beautiful thing you could imagine a human being doing.

[Andrew Schultz]

And, like, and I would be honest, I think there's even, like, a More simple version of it. Like, he doesn't have to be the most perfect person.

[Miles]

Person.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's just like sacrificing yourself for someone else is just. And then what is the heightened version of that? Is the most perfect person sacrifice himself for the most imperfect people.

[Miles]

And then to add to it, a father gives up his child to die for those people that don't deserve.

[Andrew Schultz]

You know what I mean? So now you just build. Yeah.

[David]

The Bible's a trolley problem

[Andrew Schultz]

at its core. What irony. Alex o' Connor was obsessed with philosophy and trolley problems and has used a lot of his professional career to debunk the Bible. Yet the Bible is the greatest trolley problem that's ever existed.

[Miles]

There's actually a beautiful short film if you're interested in. You're 100% going to cry. It's like 20 minutes. But it's a train conductor that's literally a train bridge operator. And his little son is playing. He's like six years old, playing near the bridge. And the train's not supposed to come. And the train is full of bunch of people doing drugs and sex addicts and just heathens and they paint them in a very poor light. And then the train takes the wrong diversion and is going towards the track that his bridge is on. And the bridge is up and his son is underneath the bridge and now he's standing there like, what do I do? Do I lower the bridge and kill my son to save all these people on the train? Or do I leave it up, save my son's life and let the people on the train die and they're not even supposed to be there in the first place? And it's just like a beautiful metaphor. And save my son.

[Andrew Schultz]

Not even a question.

[Miles]

Well, you should watch it because it's pretty crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

I won't spoil it by fucking question. They're not supposed to be there. No, no.

[Miles]

Train takes the wrong. The wrong switch.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, the train took the wrong. Like the train is going to go

[Miles]

this way towards a road. Instead it goes this way towards the mountains where the bridge is up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, so it's the train and the conductor did that. It was his fault. Yeah, so it was the conductor's fault.

[Miles]

It was someone else's fault. Not the guy controlling the bridge.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, my God. Okay, now it's getting a little bit more. I thought that they were just like vagabonds in the middle of the track.

[Miles]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, God.

[Miles]

These are people on a train.

[Andrew Schultz]

They're innocent. Too.

[Miles]

Too crazy. But I have a question about the Other stuff that's in it? Yes. The Sirens.

[Al]

Yes.

[Miles]

How are they depicted?

[Andrew Schultz]

So you. You see them in the distance.

[Miles]

Really?

[Al]

In distance?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, they're like.

[Al]

Aren't they supposed to be a bunch of baddies?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, but there's, like, different interpretations. I've seen, like, birds with, like, a human.

[Miles]

That's like the OG depiction, which is hilarious that they're birds with human heads.

[Al]

Oh, really?

[Miles]

It's so fun.

[David]

OG mermaids.

[Miles]

Yeah. And then they're later depicted as mermaids.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Miles]

But the interesting thing that I didn't realize from the original is that he's not seduced by their beauty.

[David]

Beauty.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's the sound.

[Miles]

Not seduced by the sound.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, what is it?

[Miles]

They offer him truth. They say to him through song, we'll tell you everything about what happened to Troy. We'll tell you all the secrets of the universe. We'll tell you everything if you just come to us. And so he's ultimately seduced in the story by truth. It's almost like Garden of Eden type shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, that's a better explanation for why he. He himself doesn't put the beeswax in his ears because he wants to hear the truth.

[Miles]

And so they offer him all the knowledge that's ever to be had. And he's like, oh, I want to go. And then you see bodies of people piled up, other humans that did it. But he's so seduced by it. He's like, I want to go. Despite all the bodies. He's almost, like, in this illusion, not thinking about his imminent death.

[Al]

The more I'm hearing this version, I'm even more upset that Nolan kept this stuff out of it.

[Andrew Schultz]

I agree, because it just did seem like selfishness, why he did it. But there's another funny thing with Calypso. Oh, wait, before we go to Calypso, I wanted to just go to this. That one thing about. Cause what he said, the dialogue in that moment, they're like, what was the Song of the Sirens like? His, like, first mate on the ship who's gonna be playing a Greek soldier and didn't do a single pushup for six months of preparation.

[Al]

You got some nerve.

[Andrew Schultz]

Anne Hathaway learned how to sew a fucking thing like she. Matt Damon learned how to shoot a bow and arrow. The Indian guy couldn't do a curl. He knew he was gonna be in the movie. He wasn't, like, a late addition.

[Al]

You got Street Fighter coming up.

[Andrew Schultz]

I asked them if I. I asked them if I should get buff, and they said, you're a Comedian. He's a Greek soldier.

[Al]

Cause he knew.

[Andrew Schultz]

The guy goes, what was the song of the Sirens like? And Odysseus goes, all the things you wanted to be. And then all the things you wished, you never wished for. It was a delicious itch you want to scratch, but you find it under the skin and can't reach it. So the delicious itch becomes unbearable. I told you what you want is what you. It told you what you most want is what you most can't have. And that what you most can't have is what you already had and lost. It was a song of all the promises I failed to keep. And it told me I don't really want to go home. And the same song you hear at the Sirens is the one you hear when he sees his wife.

[Miles]

Whoa. What does that mean? Like, he didn't want to go back?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, it is like that. This is the thing I desire the most.

[David]

You.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is the thing that I need. This is the thing.

[Miles]

So it was like a partial truth, partial lie from the siren.

[Andrew Schultz]

So I was, like, messing with his head. He learns that, like, I didn't actually want to go home because I didn't want to see the decay of the society that I worked so hard to build up. And it was my fault that I destroyed.

[Miles]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Al]

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[Miles]

The thing with Calypso. Yeah, he's on the island for a while.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

There's a hilarious line one. There's a few. It says that she no longer pleased him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Shit out of Calypso in the real ver. It's like he's way more likable now. You want him to be like a faithful man. Yeah. But he was fucking the dog. Shot for years, got tired of the pussy and then went home.

[Al]

That makes way more sense.

[Miles]

It says she no longer pleased him.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Which means that at one point she was pleasing him a lot.

[Andrew Schultz]

A lot.

[Miles]

And then there's a hilarious line where she goes, why don't leave? Why are you going to leave? And he goes, I got to go. You know, I got shit to do. And she goes, I'll make you immortal. So gives him a deal that if he stays, he'll basically become a God. And then he has a line and says, I know my wife Penelope doesn't stand up to the beauty of Calypso.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, shit.

[Miles]

But I must go back anyway. It is my honor to go back.

[Andrew Schultz]

First of all, top tier gaslighting by real Odysseus.

[Miles]

The fact that he just threw that in there.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, but let me ask you this question. I mean, this is gonna be a little trickier for you to answer because you are like the real Odysseus. And they're like, nah, you're not real Odysseus. You have Nolan Odysseus. You're committed to your wife. The batt. I'm the fake of this. But this is something that's going to be more relatable to Al and definitely to. To Miles to you. Okay, Anthony, out of that question. Check it, check it, check it. Imagine. Imagine you're with a girl, okay? That you are locked on an island with her that you got tired of, okay? And then she offered you to live forever.

[Al]

Okay?

[Andrew Schultz]

Kill me. Being with a girl you don't want to be with, you already want to die forever. And then she's like, you can live forever. She kill me now. If I can't go, it's got nothing to do with Penelope. I don't want to be around you anymore. The only saving grace I have is I could die one day. You about to take that away from me? Get me off this aisle.

[Al]

We've been on a safe. But when he said that, I was

[Andrew Schultz]

like, who the want that? That's torture, bro. Once a dude's brain switches, like, he had a good six and a half years with Calypso, he was like, this is lit. She's doing Shit my wife would never do.

[Miles]

Bouncing on crazy stuff.

[Andrew Schultz]

Bounce on a crazy stuff.

[Al]

That was a long honeymoon face right there.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, like, so many different things.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And then he got tired of it. He's like, all right, I'm good. I'm done. The chat is garbage. Like, we don't have anything to do. I'm bored. Then she's like, I'll just make you live forever. He's like, this forever. Put me back in the horse. Get me the fuck out of here.

[Al]

In your version, did he know about. Did he remember his wife and kid the whole time he was with her? Penelope or whatever? I'm sorry.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Because he wasn't on the Lotus.

[Al]

He was even way more.

[Miles]

That's how he could survive, bro. It's the only way to survive.

[Al]

Yo, that's crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, how. You know, your wife and kid waiting

[Al]

for you back home.

[Andrew Schultz]

The whole rest of us do another year.

[Al]

Let's run it.

[Andrew Schultz]

The whole rest of the army went home, and he was like, like, yo, we gonna go check out this bar over in Hoboken real quick before we go back. He wasn't ready to go home.

[Al]

Nolan's interpretation of this, building the boat the whole time.

[David]

It takes him seven years to build a boat in the og.

[Miles]

Is that what it is?

[David]

And also.

[Al]

Oh, that makes sense. He was grabbing the pieces of the boat.

[Andrew Schultz]

He doesn't even go home after clip. So he goes back to Cersei, but

[David]

in the og, Zeus goes, yo, you gotta go get our boy. Sends Hermes down there. Hermes goes, goes, yeah, you guys can't be doing this.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

He gets let free.

[Andrew Schultz]

Also, in the original one time, when he went to Cersei the pig lady, he smashes her for a year. And then his boys go, yo, it's time. Like, we got it. We're not pigs no more.

[Al]

We got it on the door.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, please, like, can we go home? We got wives, too. He's like, yo, stop hating, bro. Like, just because I'm getting sucked.

[Miles]

Quiet piggy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, go.

[Miles]

Only

[Al]

it's super ambitious because it's like, there's no way you feel fit all the stories in a movie's time.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Al]

And so you have to pick and choose what parts you keep in or whatever. And it's like, you have to change the story in order to even make it cohesive. Because I do feel, even though it was long, it did feel a little rushed. I'm like, every time we go back to Matt Damon, there's another fucking big situation. You're going through.

[Miles]

It's a 24 book story.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is the. I forget who said this. I want to give credit to that. Them. I don't know if it was Trey Parker and Matt Stone or the Rick and Morty guy.

[Miles]

I think it's Trey Parker. I know what you're going to say.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right. It's like one of the. The tricks to selling. Telling a story.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's not. And then it's there for something I've always thought about after seeing that. Like, even when I was doing life, it's like nothing should be like. And we went here and then we did that, and then we did that.

[Miles]

No, this thing.

[Andrew Schultz]

Thing should force the next thing to happen. So there's. And this is. I think there's a little bit in the Odyssey that feels a little bit. And then it's like we got the Cyclops and then we got the Cersei, and then we got the whatever. Whereas when a story is really moving, there's no in. Then the Cyclops is causing. Is forcing you into the next thing besides.

[Miles]

And up the sails. And the wind takes him somewhere else.

[Al]

That sounds like the greatest movie of all time you're describing. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

[Andrew Schultz]

But this is now my, my, my feeling about it when I was watching it. And I knew going into it, because I remember reading it going, all right, all right, all right. And then you get to the last. When he gets home.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I'm like, all right. This is the greatest filmmaking that I've ever experienced in my entire life, where literally the sounds of the movie make me want to get out of my seat now.

[Miles]

Can I ask you about when he goes home?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Miles]

There's something in the original from Homer. He goes there, kills everyone.

[Andrew Schultz]

Homer?

[Miles]

Yeah, Homer. Whoever Homer is, kills everyone.

[Andrew Schultz]

Odysseus a dick. What he's gonna say? I just wanna let you know he's a dick. A modern society is not ready for Odysseus. Yeah.

[Al]

They're ready for the new Queensborough.

[Andrew Schultz]

They're ready for Nolan's. Odysseus.

[Miles]

Odysseus, his son Emmaus, another shepherd. They kill all the people. Right?

[Al]

Okay.

[Miles]

And then he calls all the slave women that are working on the property and says, hey, clean up all the bodies. Wipe off all the blood. And then he asks his boy, I think it's Emmaus. He says, or maybe it's one of the other other women. He says, who are those slave women that slept with the suitors?

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, hang them up. Too.

[Miles]

She takes all them, hangs them, kills them in front of everyone. Goes, these women dishonored me. They dishonored my kingdom. They slept with the suitors in my home.

[Guest]

Home.

[Miles]

But no one takes them all out.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nobody did that.

[Al]

He did. He did.

[Miles]

He did.

[Al]

He did that with the Mia Got.

[Andrew Schultz]

So just imagine there was a bunch of Mia Goth.

[Al]

Got it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, so he does include that there's a Mia Goth character. That was Robert Patterson. Also in a real version, Robert Pattinson and a few others getting the guts of Penelope. Penelope was not faithful either.

[Miles]

Is that true?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Is that true?

[Andrew Schultz]

Look that up.

[Al]

That kills the movie for be that it's not about.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's about ascending to the throne.

[Al]

I hear you, but come on, like tell the real.

[Miles]

All right, I'm asking Jipy right now.

[Al]

He made this shit fucking rated G.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, what he did is he made it a love story because that's what's going to connect to our civilization. We are not ready to accept that Odysseus got back home after all that time, immediately left. Left so he could go rob a bunch of other towns so he could refill his coffers and then immediately left again because he realized, I'm bored at home.

[David]

You got it?

[Miles]

I have it here. Correct me if I'm wrong, Miles. In Homer's original Odyssey, Penelope is faithful to Odysseus. She does not sleep with any of the suitors or choose a new husband while he's away. But there were later non Homeric traditions claiming Penelope was unfaithful or had a child with Hermes or one of the suitors.

[Andrew Schultz]

Suitors, yeah.

[Miles]

And a different record, a local story in which Odysseus expelled her for encouraging the suitors. But that's not the version.

[Al]

Wait, Hermes. Hermes, the God?

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah. He's like a little messenger.

[Al]

That don't count.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's like a vibrator.

[Miles]

But I think that's a version told by like a different bard in a different festival. That's like a red pill guy. So he was like, nah, Penelope.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, he was riffing a little bit.

[David]

Yeah, exactly.

[Miles]

He was on stream, just letting it fly. So I don't think that's the OG

[Al]

so you're Mr. Prisoner of the moment. We all notice. That's why you think it's the greatest movie of all time. When you really put this up against all Nolan's films. There's no way you say this is the best one. You can't say this is better than Dark Knight. You can't say this is better than Inception. You can't say. This is like, what's the one in space now?

[Andrew Schultz]

Interstellar. Interstellar is unbelievable.

[Al]

Come on, son. You're going to say it's better than those three, right?

[Miles]

Interstellar. Low key. The Odyssey, Odyssey, they're all located.

[Al]

I know they are. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's. This is. Can I. Can I just. I get what you're saying. The reason why I put so much credence on the Odyssey is just seen it?

[Miles]

No.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, yeah, yeah. I am prisoner of the moment, 100%. But all those other movies are the Odyssey.

[Al]

So he just redid his own. No, but, like, so give the credit to the ocean.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, to me. To me, it's like, give the credit to the source. Like, if you're doing the Odyssey with all the other movies, every movie is the Odyssey, okay? Like, everything is the Odyssey. And there's like a hot take that's kind of going around where it's like, what was the nuclear bomb movie? Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer. People are like, oppenheimer is the same. Kind of. Does this take off where Oppenheimer is? Or this is fired by Oppenheimer? It's like, no, everything is. Is everything is the Odyssey. And that's why it's so prolific. There's really, like, five stories. Like, most movies are just ripping off a version of Shakespeare, a version of the Bible. Like, Neo is the Jesus story, like in the Matrix. Like, so you get to see the guy who was clearly inspired by the Odyssey and use that as, like a reference point for all his other movies. Make the O.G.

[Al]

i get that.

[Andrew Schultz]

So there's a part of me, it's like I'm watching Batman, but I'm really watching the Odyssey now. I get to see the movie that he really wants to make. And that's why. And along with my recency bias, I

[Miles]

just put it as number one thing. I saw a clip of Odysseus going back as the old man. He just has a hood on. Like, how do they not know?

[David]

Long, white beard.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, he got this beard is long and white. Also, he's been dead. Like, if you're dead for 20 years, you're not even thinking about. You got to understand how long 20 years is, bro. Yeah, 20 years, you're dead.

[Al]

They ain't really age him that much.

[Miles]

They wanted.

[Al]

They wanted to keep him looking good.

[Andrew Schultz]

He gotta be.

[Miles]

They had goodwill hunting pull up at the house.

[Al]

He's a little too ripped.

[Andrew Schultz]

So the day before Matt went to go film the Odyssey, he filmed our promo for the Life Special.

[Al]

Oh, wow. So, wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

And.

[Al]

And.

[Andrew Schultz]

And I remember seeing him, I was like, damn, you look fucking lean. He goes, yeah, I gotta go tomorrow to go film. I was like, what are you filming? He goes, the Odyssey. I was like, oh, shit. Why are you here? Anyway, in this scene when we're eating at the diner, Matt only eats the bacon because he hadn't had a carb in, like six months.

[Al]

I know that, I know that.

[Andrew Schultz]

He only eats the bacon and. But you have to say, this guy had it in a carb in six months. And I just have a plate of potatoes and bread sitting in front of him about to ruin Homer's odysse.

[David]

That's how you know he's a real actor.

[Al]

You know, he got on that crazy stack before this.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, he has looked like 20, because he's in real life. He's like, what, 50 something years old?

[Guest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Al]

What?

[Andrew Schultz]

And he was just shredded?

[Miles]

Yeah. Now there's an alternate ending of the OG Odyssey.

[Andrew Schultz]

Hit me.

[Miles]

The alternate ending so most people consider the source where he sees Penelope. Olive Tree. Bed. I made the bed. You're my husband. The end, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

There's other versions that some people still attribute as, like, credible, where they say all the families of the suitors, yeah, they come knocking on the kingdom and they're like, yo, you kill our boys. These are supposed to be the heirs

[Andrew Schultz]

of our kingdom for doing nothing wrong.

[Miles]

They were just posted up. They didn't do anything wrong, and you killed all of them. So now we got to settle this. So then a massive civil war happens in Ithaca. All the families are killing each other. Like, Athena comes in, is like, yo, guys, chill. Zeus comes down, throws a lightning bolt. Everything stops. And then Athena drafts up a peace train treaty, says, all right, look, here's how we're going to settle this. Everyone on the island is going to have their memories wiped of what happened. And then Odysseus is going to be the king, and you guys are going to be ruled by him, and you're going to like it. The end.

[Al]

Leave that part out.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's too.

[Al]

Whoever added that sauce on it. Nah, he was a little.

[Andrew Schultz]

What is that term in filmmaking or storytelling? Deos ex machina.

[Miles]

Yeah, the hand of God. Yeah, but that's a lot of the Greek mythology, like the Iliad starts with the gods arguing about who's the host.

[Andrew Schultz]

Modest. Sure, sure, sure. But having just God come in and just save the day at the last moment is just like the laziest form of storytelling after arguably the greatest story of all time. Exactly.

[David]

That's calypso. It's too much to hand to God.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[David]

Also talking about this, I know it's, you know, halfway through the year, Oscar winner for the best picture. Yeah. We have Odyssey 100 calcium.

[Andrew Schultz]

Odyssey of 50, 100 part three.

[David]

And then we got a movie. I can't say Al, maybe you can hit that one.

[Al]

See, it's racist that you say. You can't say.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're just thinking about your favorite word. Look at it like.

[Al]

No, I see it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Cuz if I would have said it,

[Al]

if I would have said it fast,

[Andrew Schultz]

you would have got on me.

[Al]

I think big word coming out your

[Andrew Schultz]

mouth if you say it three times. Don't say it three times, bro.

[Al]

Like, that was crazy.

[Miles]

Yeah, it felt a little weird, right?

[David]

Thank you.

[Al]

Al.

[Andrew Schultz]

Do part three could be gas. Like, I don't see why it. Why I won't. But come on, we're not playing around. Did you. A lot is being made over the fact that he shot it practically. Practically meaning like without cgi.

[Al]

Love that a lot. But then the cyclops scene took me so far out of it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Talk to me.

[Al]

It just looked too fake compared to the rest of the day. But like the scene when they come out the ground and that was shot practically. I'm like, holy.

[Andrew Schultz]

What about the monster when he's on the boat?

[Al]

So yeah, monster on a boat look fake as.

[Andrew Schultz]

Dude, I don't think so. So real quick about the. So a couple things. One, what was the first one that you mentioned?

[Al]

The cyclops. Cyclops.

[Andrew Schultz]

I hear what you're saying. The cyclops thing was a little bit peculiar because, like there was like a character issue that we don't really understand. Like why he's spiking the ball in the end zone. Like, didn't make sense.

[Al]

The sheep even kind of look a little fake. I. I like the sound.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sheep are real.

[Al]

No, I think part of it, like when they were first coming in, it was like it was fake. Sheep.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, everything's practical, I'm telling you.

[Al]

I bet you look it up. I bet you part of the sheep is cgi.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's no cgi.

[Al]

No, the cyclops is cgi.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no, the cyclops is a puppet. You didn't know this? Let me blow your mind.

[Al]

The Psychop looks pretty fake.

[Andrew Schultz]

The cyclops, it's. Yeah, because it's fake.

[Al]

No, I know that, but it like, it looks.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, it is an actual practical puppet.

[Al]

Oh, really?

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's what's so fascinating about it. And I think that. And I think that's why it looks a little bit fake is because it's literally a gigantic animatronic that they're using. So they're using a puppeteer.

[Al]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

In the same way, like with interstellar. Remember tar? Remember. Remember the robot?

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So look. That's actually what it looks like.

[Al]

Ah. But you see, they put sauce on it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Actually, I think it's lighting. So what they do is they keep him kind of, like, absconded in the dark.

[Al]

Look at the left. Look at. Right.

[Miles]

I don't know if this is even real. This might be.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, just. Just. Just to clarify, he's not against using CGI to soften things or remove things, but the actual thing that you're interacting with, he wants to be real so that you have this real interaction with it.

[Miles]

You had a massive object.

[Andrew Schultz]

Your eyes dilate, you feel this visible cgi. Exactly. So, for example, in the. In the scene where they're all. Where the dead is buried. They were all buried.

[Al]

Yeah, I know.

[Andrew Schultz]

And they use, like, little snorkels to breathe, and then you can remove the snorkels. But if you also think about that scene, they film it in almost pitch black because that's the only way you could get away with burying 300 people. And they said an interesting thing about that scene. Like, if you put a little inch of soil on top of somebody or sand, they can get up whenever they want a few inches, and all of a sudden you can't get up out of that. So it was like a very delicate, you know, scene. Whatever. But so, yeah, so this is all. And then, like, this version of it, I imagine that you're looking at right now, since they're close up and there's no one else that you can see. See is a person wearing makeup.

[David]

It's the same guy that was in tars.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, really?

[Al]

Okay.

[David]

Inside. But there are. There is invisible cgi. They had to paint out, like, wires. They had to paint out, like, the things that are making the world.

[Andrew Schultz]

You ready? You ready? The whirlpool.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Practical.

[Al]

That's easy. Just a bunch of niggas just run around the pool. We've done that before. You ever do that?

[Miles]

Hot tub. That's so fun.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Al]

Yeah, that does.

[Andrew Schultz]

They took jet skis.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Al]

Oh, really?

[Andrew Schultz]

Drove them around a circle, created the outer ring. And then I'm sure they CGI'd the middle of it. Yeah. But what you're dealing with now is you're on a boat and you see this fucking, you know, water going, whatever. And it kind of like Feels real.

[Al]

Oh, another thing I don't like when they're getting around the whirlpool and then all they break all the paddles on the side.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Al]

But then they're still able to continue going. You don't have a bunch of extra paddles.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but you had the other side's paddles.

[Al]

Yeah. So now you're half paddles.

[Andrew Schultz]

You'll just.

[Al]

And they broke a bunch of paddles throughout. Like all of a sudden they had a brand new row of paddle.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's say you got 20 paddles on each side. You break these 10. Now you got five on each side. You going half the speed.

[Al]

Yeah. But every time they got into some.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's the most unbelievable part of the whole. I just didn't like it. The amount of paddles that exist. The other day I made one.

[Miles]

I said one thing about interstellar and you gave. Told me I was a dumb idiot for years.

[Al]

You are dumb idiot. But this if he practicals and all that, they should have had like one paddle by the.

[Andrew Schultz]

You ready for the. That's going to you up?

[Miles]

Yes. Yeah, them up.

[Andrew Schultz]

You ready for this? That's going to you up me up. The scene where they turn the people into pigs. Practical.

[Guest]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

You think I'm joking? Wait, you think I'm joking?

[Al]

What do you. What do you mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

Done practically explain.

[Al]

Cuz a human can't just turn into a pig.

[Andrew Schultz]

So Powell.

[Al]

I mean it's some girls in the

[Andrew Schultz]

P. But we ain't got no.

[Al]

No, no.

[Miles]

Come on.

[Al]

Married.

[Andrew Schultz]

Stop it. How would your wife be upset at you saying girls get turned into pigs?

[Al]

Yeah,

[Andrew Schultz]

look up, look up. Pig scene shot practically. So what they did is they started with the actors, right. And then they had these like. Like some sort of people. Like they're not actual people, but like some sort of like sculptable, mannequin, whatever where the actress Cersei could shape their faces and she would start to shape them and morph them and then eventually you get like the more pig looking like things there's. But there's no CGI in the scene at all. They're all eating the shit.

[Al]

I think it's a little bit of the invisible CJ shit.

[David]

There's no way that that would be. The camera's moving and there's wipes using like bodies and stuff like that so that they can switch out the head they're using to get closer and closer to the pig.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So watch them talk about right here. This shit is cool.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like we were there. We were part of it. Sometimes we participated in the shots and then we saw it and we're like, how did he do that? Yeah, like, when they turn the people in the pigs. That's all real wild.

[Miles]

It is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like all of that sculpting that she's doing, that's not that. That's not cgi.

[Al]

What do you mean? She's like me right now.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know.

[Al]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schultz]

That is a practical fact.

[David]

It's a.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's an animatronic.

[Miles]

She's like, going.

[Andrew Schultz]

And she, like, pulls her jaws apart.

[Miles]

That's real.

[Al]

They.

[Andrew Schultz]

They worked with an artist to create something that Samantha could sculpt with live on camera.

[Al]

Okay.

[Miles]

You just blew my mind.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's what I mean.

[Miles]

Must have used CG then. And then the movie ended and Christopher sat behind me.

[Andrew Schultz]

I literally turned around.

[Miles]

The first thing was like, how did you do that thing with the pigs?

[Andrew Schultz]

And he was like, oh, it's just camera angles and animatronics and a bunch

[Miles]

of actors that were really game to do so crazy.

[Al]

So.

[Andrew Schultz]

So pause right here. A lot is being made of shadow. Shadow shooting things practically. And I want to point something out. And I think this is like, when the movie came out, Marvel dropped its newest, like, doomsday trailer. And I think maybe Dune had already dropped their trailer or something like that. But specifically Marvel. And like, one of the things about cgi, and we kind of, like, grew up with CGI being implemented. You know what I mean? Like, CGI was mind blowing to us.

[Al]

Yep.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because you took things that literally could not happen and then you created worlds out of it. So every time we would watch, like a huge action sequence or something like that, it blew our fucking mind. Because we're like, how are you creating this? These are impossible things that you cannot create. I know. I can't create it at all. I can make anything on my phone now. I can do any. Tsunami wipes over New York City, destroys everything. Iron man defeats something, rips his head

[Miles]

off with one prompt.

[Andrew Schultz]

With one prompt on my phone.

[Al]

So now it's not as impressive.

[Andrew Schultz]

Now I don't think this is why Nolan is doing it. I assume he's doing it because he thinks actors acting with the things is the more realistic version. You get the best performance, whatever. But secondarily, the value of CGI is useless. Like if you're a porn star and you were able to stay hard for an hour back in the day. No, I mean that this will make sense.

[Al]

Let him cook.

[Andrew Schultz]

That was like. You were like, yo, like, how is he hard again, like, like you were blow. Like you couldn't believe it. You're like.

[David]

You are the.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're a God now with Blue Chew or whatever. Like, it's nothing to be. I. I could be hard for an hour. Like, it.

[Miles]

That seems soft is cool.

[Andrew Schultz]

Being soft is the coolest. But, like, so. So to me, it's diminishing returns for anything you do and see. Like, doing special effects in a movie is like, nah.

[Al]

I won't go as far to say that it had. The value of it has lessened, but there's still, like, Marvel still blows it out the park every time.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm not saying that they don't blow it out the park, but I'm not shocked that they can make a building get destroyed.

[Al]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm like, okay.

[Miles]

But back in the day, Michael Bay

[Andrew Schultz]

exploded a hospital son. Michael Bay. Bay exploding some. Or blowing something up or anything. Yes.

[David]

Christopher Nolan, he's. He's thinking the Dark Knight, but I'm

[Miles]

saying more generally speaking.

[Andrew Schultz]

I know, I know, I know, I know. I know what he's thinking. We just kept moving. Michael Bay. Michael Bay did do a lot of explosions.

[Miles]

He's known for it, I think.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And it would be crazy, the Transformers, seeing the thing transform. You're like, this is my Christopher Nolan. I can do it.

[David]

I took you off track and you're on a great point.

[Andrew Schultz]

Does it make sense what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I don't think he's doing it to shit on them, but it's already unimpressive. Like, the story is what's going to win. And now, weirdly enough, the effects are going to win because, you know it's real.

[Miles]

Yeah. We have an appreciation for how difficult it is to do shit. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And thank you for saying that beautifully.

[Miles]

Pour in. This is kind of my thing with, like, AI Art. Like, with now you can do AI Art. Seeing a sculpture that someone handcrafted, brother, has almost more power because you're like, wow, someone spent years working, working on this piece of marble. That's phenomenal. And maybe there was a time where painting was seen equal, but now that you can do AI Art, it doesn't have maybe the same. The same feel.

[Andrew Schultz]

The idea that one mistake and yes, there are little ways to patch things up, but one mistake on this massive piece of wood or marble would ruin the entire thing. Like, the level of perfection that you have to operate at to create these sculptures back in the day with, like, rough tools, too. We're not talking about, like, electric chisels and shit, you know, you're just banging away at something and to make something smooth. That fucking. What is it? Benigni or something like that. Like that, where he. He creates the.

[Miles]

Oh, the Veiled Virgin.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, he, like, creates the sculpture and then puts a veil on the sculpture. Have you seen this? Bernini, is it?

[Miles]

I think so. Giovanni Straza is the one that I'm talking about. But there's another one.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm sure there.

[Miles]

A few famous sculptures have done this kind of thing.

[Al]

Oh, I've seen this before.

[Andrew Schultz]

But maybe there's another one. Making a veil out of the same piece of marble. It's like. No, that's phenomenal. Yeah, that's.

[David]

I thought I was about to shit on.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, no, no, this is.

[Al]

I can recognize real.

[Andrew Schultz]

But my point is good that. My point is get in the getting. The getting AI to do that or CGI to do that is unimpressive. Yeah, but.

[Miles]

Because there's something representative of human hours, a human being doing problem solving.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, this is an insane problem, guys.

[Al]

The way that 3D printers are becoming everywhere now. Yeah. Even that is going to be something that people can just do.

[Miles]

But no, no, it's not the fact they can do it. It's the fact that this one was done without it.

[Al]

Oh, I get what you say. Okay.

[Miles]

And then you go, oh, there were hours poured into this. That is impressive to me that someone was able to do this.

[Al]

But I think even painters now, today, it's harder for them to, like, really break through or be huge because it's like, yo, the same shit. You can paint. I can make that like.

[Miles]

Like this to an extent. But, like, there's people even now, like, modern painters that are doing Carvaggios or a Caravaggio style, and people are buying it for big money because they're like, oh, this is impressive. Maybe it doesn't have the same casting, but.

[Al]

Yeah, I get you.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's a Japanese thing saying where it's like, imperfection is more beautiful.

[Miles]

The gold cracks.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, yeah, yeah. Where, like, you lean towards the things that are imperfect because they're more unique and their imperfection makes them more beautiful. And in a world where you can make perfect things all the time, time, the things that are slightly off and imperfect are actually more unique and more special. What is it called?

[Miles]

Oh, that's fine.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wabi Sabi.

[Miles]

I saw Kintsugi, but, yeah, same. But it's this idea, like, you highlight.

[Andrew Schultz]

Highlight the cracks. Yeah, they highlight the imperfections because that's what makes it unique. And like, back in the day, when they were doing, like, Cowboys versus Indians movies. There would be, like, one scene in the movie where, like, a train would crash going across a bridge. And they would do it practically, because back then they didn't even have it. There were versions where they would make, like, a smaller miniatures, miniature thing of it, whatever. But, like, anytime they did, like, a real one, it would, like, make waves in the industry. Like, they spent $500,000 on this one fucking scene. And then people excited to go see it because they're like, how the. Could they make a train crash? Because their brains couldn't conceptualize CGI or anything. Anything. Our brains are so used to cgi, we can't even conceptualize practical. I mean, so when I told you it was real.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're like, what do you mean?

[Miles]

I mean, you've seen this before, right? This is, like super famous Buster Keaton.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, yeah.

[Miles]

This is done practically where he's standing there and they have to measure it

[Andrew Schultz]

to, like, an inch or he dies.

[Miles]

An inch or he dies.

[David]

He's got a nail on the ground and it's holding his foot in place.

[Miles]

He goes, okay, I'm going to stand here, here. And then this whole thing is going to collapse on me. And I hope that I don't die. Can I.

[David]

If you guys like this kind of stuff, there's a great channel called Corridor Crew, and they do breakdowns of all

[Andrew Schultz]

the CGI every week.

[David]

It's the great, great show. And they're fans of flagrant. I've seen it in, like.

[Andrew Schultz]

Her teeth are practical.

[Miles]

This is a. This is a fascinating. Have you seen this before?

[Andrew Schultz]

No. Show me.

[Miles]

It's from a 1937 movie. All done practically, no post.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, that's cool.

[Miles]

That was fire crazy. And then they explain how they do it. They basically put, like, makeup on her and then they change the camera length, exposure, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Miles]

Like changing the color of the camera.

[David]

There's a red filter on it, if I'm not mistaken. And they pull the red filter away and then all of the blue or the green. Terrifying.

[Miles]

Which, like, look crazy.

[Al]

Yeah, that's dope. Anyway. All right, One more thing.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, Go.

[Al]

God, I do like the movie. I do think it was good. I don't think it was.

[Andrew Schultz]

You're offering good perspective to bounce off, but yeah,

[Al]

this. What's it called? Imax. Stop it.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, did you go to it?

[Al]

I didn't. But all it really offers you is just an extra inch above, extra inch below, below, like. Yeah, I think they're putting. They're going a little Too hard. Because first, what's his face from Sinners. He made everybody go crazy. He's like, oh my God. I shot this in IMAX and like it brought a lot of people out because of that. And that's why this one right now, if you try to buy an IMAX ticket, it's sold out for like eight weeks or something like that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yep.

[Miles]

But it's kind of annoying. It's like, bro, I want to see

[Al]

the whole movie, the visual and I'm sorry you might disagree. They were good. They weren't outstanding.

[David]

That's.

[Al]

They were good. They weren't outstanding.

[Miles]

I mean this looks pretty outstanding, bro.

[Al]

So Sinners was better. Avatar was better.

[David]

I mean, yes, but that's a whole different. Avatar versus this are completely.

[Miles]

Coco was better. It's like, okay, Sinners.

[Andrew Schultz]

What was better about Sinners?

[Al]

Visually? I think it was more compelling.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like what seems the cotton field scene.

[Al]

No, everything that was woo, woo, thank you.

[Andrew Schultz]

To me, that's the one that everybody talks about. Right. They're like, we actually are going to shoot practically on a gigantic field and you're going to need the entire like we need eight miles of this field to really show the scope of work that these people were doing.

[Al]

I think there were just way more scenes than Sinners that I was like, wow, this looks like visually stunning. I was never.

[Andrew Schultz]

What scene specifically? Like, not to knock Sinners, but like what scene specifically was like, you need imax.

[David]

Four centers is beautiful. No doubt.

[Al]

Yeah. I'm just talking about the beauty of it because I'm against needing that extra top and bottom. I don't think it's necessary. Like you enjoy the movie.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Al]

Just as much. I don't think.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I didn't miss anything because I don't know what I'm missing exactly. If I was the average person, I would go see it on a regular shitty screen. And then when IMAX is available, you're going to want to see this movie twice. It's one of those types of movies. Then you see it on the IMAX and you have a somewhat different experience the second time time. Like that's how I would do it.

[Al]

If anything, I think I missed out on the sound because IMAX even has like much better sound. And that's something I wish I got to experience imax. But I'm saying two things. I'm saying let's stop being extra because the way to shoot this you have. You only get three minutes of actual shooting and then they have to wait 15 minutes to change the tape and they had to create a whole new type of camera. Just so. Because the other. The old ones are too loud.

[Andrew Schultz]

They didn't have to create a new camera. They have to create a casing.

[Al]

Casing.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because you can't record dialogue in the IMAX cameras.

[Al]

Just shoot the regular. Stop.

[Andrew Schultz]

Shoot the regular. It was funny because, like, Nolan, like, told, I guess, Anne Hathaway she couldn't wear Uggs to set. And his logic was like, we're making a, you know, a film set in, like, early antiquity. Like, there's no Uggs back then. So like, exists within. In this world. And it's like. Well, there's also an IMAX camera and the characters have to perform into a mirror. Because the IMAX camera is so big, it's getting in between the characters for certain shots. So it's like. This is like the classic Daniel Day Lewis thing. Who I love. I'm filming this movie right now with this guy. Janusz Kaminski is the DP of it. So he's Spielberg's dp and so he

[Al]

has all his guys.

[Guest]

Guys.

[Andrew Schultz]

So I'm like, talking to all his, like, camera guys. And Yashin, like, he. You know, they work with Daniel on.

[Miles]

On.

[Andrew Schultz]

On Lincoln. Oh, wow. And like, it was. Daniel Day Lewis is, like, exists within Lincoln. And, like, if you, like, he didn't like tape. He didn't like blue or green tape. These are the mark things. Because he. That didn't exist for Lincoln back then.

[Al]

Yeah. Like, so.

[Andrew Schultz]

And like, he would be like. Like, move that. Like, he. But he didn't know what it was because he's in character.

[Al]

He's like.

[Andrew Schultz]

And it's like, yeah, I get it. But at the same time, like, there's all these black people working on this. You know what I mean? Like, what are we doing with the black people? Like, you know what? So, like, there's a certain amount of suspending disbelief. And maybe. Maybe they're just like, hey, I'm already suspending disbelief with this much. Don't make me do anymore. Maybe that's the version which I kind of get. But there is also like a. This performative nature. Yeah, Yeah.

[Miles]

I don't know how you can be method like that. If I was Method Lincoln, I would just be such a dick. Bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

Bro. Apparently it's. It's like the chick from Twilight said this. What's her name?

[David]

Kristen Stewart?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, apparently she was like, it's only guys that do method. Like, there's not one woman. She's like, it's just guys being gay. Like, it's just like she's like. I literally think it's guys egos, they don't want to be told what to do. So. So they'll be like in character. You can tell me what to do but you're not going to tell me what to do. Like there's not a single female actress and there's probably a female actress. Like I have to be fucking Harriet Tubman all day.

[Miles]

So yeah, yeah, I don't know.

[Al]

But yeah, still Nolan, he could do no wrong. The film was great. I just think people overhyping a little bit.

[Andrew Schultz]

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[Miles]

back to the show we did to address two things.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes, go.

[Miles]

People online of course were really mad about Elliot Page and Lupita.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't even think about it.

[Al]

You don't at all.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't even think about it. I actually think actually doing Lupita, having her be like one of the only black people in the movie to me, me, makes it stand out as the most beautiful girl in the world more because it's exotic. Because what is exotic?

[Miles]

What is different? The most unique person.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. If you just have another beautiful white chick in a sea of beautiful white chicks, there's gonna be someone watching that movie. Like, yeah, she bad, but she not that bad. Like there's a bunch of other ones that look just like that. Yeah. So. So the uniqueness I could make an argument for. And then the Elliot Page thing is like, it's like a nothing role.

[Miles]

Right. People were saying that Ellie Page is going to be Achilles and like that was floated out there.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's literally just like the Daily Wire saying so that they could react to it. Yeah. I don't know if they actually put it out, but it feels very like Daily Wire like I'm going to be angry about this movie.

[Miles]

Oh no. Yeah.

[Al]

The right was they was hating on this before it came out and they were like, it's not Even going to do well. And now they got to eat their words.

[Andrew Schultz]

Also, you can put whatever characters in. I actually really believe that, like, as long as it doesn't feel forced. Like if the Elliot Page character was like, as a trans soldier for the Ithacan army, everybody be like, what the am I watching? But just as some little twink soldier that's running to the horse that gets killed immediately. You don't think people on the right were like, well, they found good use for that little force. What was. What was.

[Al]

She's not a size of a army person.

[Andrew Schultz]

But, but, but that was the point.

[Al]

Yeah, but it's like, would they even let her put on armor? Like, you're just wasting armor.

[Miles]

They probably let kids fight back then, you know, let 18 year old get. No, they.

[Andrew Schultz]

They did. But like, the, The. The point of that character was Antinous. Robert Pattinson's character was supposed to go to war and then his family brought bribes, their shepherd's family to send their son instead of him.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So I imagine he's supposed to represent like the weakest, most defenseless parts of society that are taken advantage of by the wealthy to die in their place.

[Miles]

Interesting.

[Andrew Schultz]

So you have this at this point, it's this tiny little boy.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's like, he looks. He's 12 going out. And then by the time you see him as Elliot Page, she's just getting brutalized immediately. And it's like it actually looks. If he's this big monstrous soldier and he gets killed, you don't feel as bad.

[Al]

Oh, okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

But if it's a defenseless little weakling got. And they shouldn't have been there in the first place when this perfectly capable person should have gone. Okay, I, I assume that was the logic. I don't think it was like, we got to get a trans person here so we win an Oscar.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And even if that was the thing, thinking they found a storyline that I thought.

[Miles]

And the Trojan horse is kind of trans anyway.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly.

[David]

Right.

[Miles]

It looks like a horse on the outside, but there's a man inside trying to get out. You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's the trans experience, you know?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Guest]

But.

[Miles]

Yeah, I'm gonna go see it. I'm gonna see it this week, I promise.

[Al]

You know?

[Miles]

You know I will. I'm going to. This is right up my alley. I'm gonna enjoy it despite what you've done.

[Andrew Schultz]

All right, just last thing before we go. The idea of, like, there's this one part at the end where I think calypso Reminds him like Poseidon, you have to submit yourself to the gods, stop fighting the gods. Something you can control everything, like, this is not up to you. He constantly trying to control, constantly thinks he's more cunning and witty than the gods. And then she goes, you are not. And you have lost all of your men because they too thought that they were going to do it. You are the only one that's going to survive. If you submit yourself to Poseidon. Zeus will not let him kill you. He will you up, but he's not going to let you kill you. And like it was this really interesting message where like you can fight back constantly, but at a certain point submission is the way through. And like there is a version of forgiveness. Like the gods forgave him for breaking their rule as long as he was willing to submit and understand what he, what he did. And like that being the pathway through acceptance. Yeah, it's kind of beautiful. You know, like you just project. I don't know, did you find yourself kind of like connecting to stories within this and like projecting your life onto it? Yeah.

[Miles]

I mean even in reading it, like, even reading like the abridged versions that I read, I was like, oh, this is my experience with this thing. This is my relationship with this person. Like it's so, so tame, tangible.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's the thing like that I left from it. I was like, every project that we put together, it has to be on this level of human introspection because each character you have to painfully see yourselves in, in a way, you know, like your hubris has to be represented in their hubris. And like, you might not be them on their journey, but there will be decisions that they make that you know, that you've made that you either regret or are proud of and that you, if you were living through them, that's how you create connectability or connection, whatever with that, with the story. Yeah. And I think that's like Bible, the Odyssey, Shakespeare.

[Miles]

This is why reading religious history is like my favorite thing ever. Just like reading like, like the Ramayana.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is like the thing that like Marvel's based on.

[Miles]

Maybe.

[Andrew Schultz]

I actually don't know the Indian.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah. This is like Arjun is like trying to like fight this battle and he's then approached by a God and he like talks to the God about what it means to fight. Like it's just a thousand, two thousand, three thousand year old story that persists because it's awesome.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think, look it up. But I think like Marvel, they make the argument that Marvel the universe is I'm going to use the word inspired by. Let me see, interesting or something. I don't know. Or maybe Dove was wanting to develop.

[Al]

I'm excited for Marvel issue. Got Spider man coming out soon and Doom. Oh, it's going to be fun.

[Miles]

It says Marvel's mythos is heavily inspired by invisible new epics. Yeah. Marvel directly features the Hindu pantheon in the realm of nirvana. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Anyway.

[David]

Fire.

[Miles]

Should we rip some feelings and facts? How was World cup final?

[Andrew Schultz]

That was unbelievable.

[Miles]

Fire. Right?

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, like, outside of going to see the Knicks. Outside of going to see Knicks game 3, 4, 5, even just 4 or 5. Maybe there was like a UFC event that I went to to, but that was like the greatest athletic experience I ever had. And like, maybe it's different. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Al]

Let's go.

[Andrew Schultz]

Maybe it's different watching soccer live. You know, certain sports, like, watching NFL football live sucks.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's horrible.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because it's a game of inches that you're watching from.

[Miles]

You can't see the inches.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. So you don't know what a three yard run is. Yeah.

[Miles]

And yeah, for me, I need someone to explain what's going on. Like, oh, this rule was violated. It's a flag on the play because of this. And now they need to do this to win.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but I'm straight, so, like, I understand more or less what's happening in the game. Like a girl, it's a little helpful

[Miles]

to be like, oh, this number got.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I don't relate to that at all. Just because I like girls. For me, I understand when I'm watching the game, but I could totally imagine if you like stuffing in your butt, you would be confused when you watch soccer or football.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Anyway, that was crazy. You just said, this is hard to know.

[Al]

You don't even watch soccer. I know all the rules of saga.

[Miles]

No, how does offsides work? When the goalkeeper comes up, you can't pass the line. What if he becomes the last man?

[Andrew Schultz]

It's not offsides.

[Al]

Yeah. If it's in the box.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, but that never happens with football. You know what's happening? He hands him the. The roundish looking thing and he tries to go forward. That's good. When he goes back, that's bad.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah. That part I get.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's no other rules.

[Miles]

What's a tush push? What does that even.

[David]

No.

[Andrew Schultz]

How many times that happened that you got to worry about?

[Miles]

Who even knows?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't even know exactly what's going on. You just read that on the Internet. Okay, so. So so there was criticism about the game because it was like low scoring or whatever. And again, maybe being there, when you watch the sport live, you really enjoy it or something. Like maybe it's just a very enjoyable thing to watch live soccer. I haven't really watched it live, so I wouldn't know.

[Al]

Oh, I like live. Live is fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

I was mesmerized. I was mesmerized just seeing the buildup, like the 10 attention you have to appreciate almost. You know the best guys with women are the guys that enjoy hitting on them even if they don't get them because they enjoy the soccer of it. They enjoy almost scoring. That's fun to them. Yeah. Like the guys are the worst. Women are the guys that like need to score.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

But the guys that enjoy the chat, they enjoy the game, they enjoy the buildup. They are the best.

[Miles]

That's what soccer is. It's all tension and build up, you

[Andrew Schultz]

know, and even low scoring games.

[Miles]

It's like when you have sex, there's only one nut, maybe two. Exactly. You know what I mean?

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't need much more.

[Miles]

Yeah, but the whole experience is fire

[Al]

when you understand the sport. It's like boxing. It's like you can watch a Mayweather fight. Some people think it's boring. Right. I'm like, no, that's exactly impressive.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And the, the similarities with boxing do not have in there. You can absolutely dominate a fight on points in boxing. Meaning like your Mayweather style, outboxing the opponent. But there's always a chance you could get knocked out.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And when a game is zero, zero, always a chance. Even though Spain was dominating them. All it takes is one header off a corner, one header off a set piece, one missed anything.

[Miles]

No mistake.

[Andrew Schultz]

There was still excitement in it because even though Argentina was getting absolutely dominated, belt to ass, belt to ass, they were in it. And you knew if it went to penalties, you're like these are going to win.

[Miles]

Right?

[Andrew Schultz]

You knew it.

[Miles]

It's like a villain that won't die.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Miles]

It's like they keep on squeaking by every single game. Are they going to be able to do it again?

[Al]

Yeah, words, villain.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

People are not happy about him. Did you see the fight afterwards? Like you saw the brawl?

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah, we dipped, bro.

[Al]

Oh, you missed the best ball.

[Miles]

You love to have to.

[Andrew Schultz]

We missed the best ball. We, we watched the whole thing but the second it was over, we, we, we got up out of there. Yeah.

[Al]

The true winners of the World Cup.

[Andrew Schultz]

America.

[Al]

Israel. Tell me why, what country do people hate more right?

[Andrew Schultz]

Now. Oh, you think they hate Argentina?

[Al]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

So they handed off their hate to Argentina. Open up your timeline right now.

[Al]

Nobody cares about what Israel's doing.

[Andrew Schultz]

How do they hate the team that lost?

[Miles]

Because, I mean, they fight. They're sore losers. They're rough on the field.

[Al]

All of a sudden. We all know about Argentina and history. Yeah, we ain't know about that.

[Andrew Schultz]

We ain't know none of that, son. I'll be honest with you. There wasn't a single span Spanish fan in that. The whole thing was Argentina. And then people who hate Argentina. Like, there was maybe one section where I saw a lot of Spaniards and they had some drums going. Outside of that, it was white and blue, everybody. And then just people who hate Argentina.

[Al]

I know there was that many. Argentina.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Al]

Like, I was walking around New York, I'm like, where the. Where the Spanish.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think it's like, when you see people wearing a Steph Curry jersey, they're not really Golden State fans.

[David]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah. That's what I assumed it was because I was like, ain't no way. And the vibes there, it wasn't what I imagined a football game would be like. I thought it was going to be a lot of chance going the whole time. Like, I was. Maybe it's just Argentine fans. They don't really do that as much be chanting. So they tried to get some chance going, but you couldn't really feel it.

[Al]

Yeah, it's like Miles Chance, you know, whatever Miles would say, they. They be chanting like that.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, really?

[David]

Are you saying yo Alp in a cup illegally at a theater in New York City.

[Andrew Schultz]

I said that myself. Chant that out.

[Al]

See, now you snitching on a black man. Damn, bro.

[Miles]

I think. I think the price point probably maybe made the. The chanting a little hard if I had to guess.

[Andrew Schultz]

Got it.

[Miles]

Like the folks that are spending ten grand a ticket. Yeah, I don't know if those are the chanting types.

[Andrew Schultz]

There's some people in my comments upset that I went because of the cost of it. Like, I paid. I don't care about soccer that much to pay for that.

[Al]

Why would they be upset?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I don't know. Because it's like a ridiculous amount of money to go to these games.

[Al]

Damn it. It's like going to the Super Bowl. It's like, yeah, but how you're going to spend a ridiculous amount of money.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't think anybody was upset that I went to the Knicks finals.

[Al]

Ah, they're like. And you're taking up a spot that somebody else could have had.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I see that.

[Miles]

Well, you weren't really taking a spot.

[Andrew Schultz]

I wasn't really taking. You know what I mean? Shout out, Kali, bro. That's him opening in the booth. And it was. It was fire. It was stacked, bro. We had Martha Stewart up in there. Oh, Martha's the goat. Of course I chopped it up, man. She was vibes. And then I was. Martha came back to chop it up with me, and I had just eaten a BlackBerry or I put it in my mouth and my wife was like, there's a whole disease with fruits and vegetables. Why would you be eating blackberries off of this tray? And I was like, I didn't know there's a disease in fruits and vegetables. So I spit it back in my hand. Second I turn away to go throw in her garbage, Martha's coming over, trying to chop it up, but I got a mashed BlackBerry in my hand. So I'm like, I gotta get this out of my hand before I can have this conversation. Like, you're wearing all white too, bro. It was fantastic. So fumbled that. But she's the bomb. I also have no clue how to operate in a box. Like, I. When. When you're in a box, you get a ticket. Still with a seat.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

So I'm trying to be a rule follower, cuz I don't know how to operate in a box. So I got to my seat and it's Miles Garrett and Khloe Kim. Miles Garrett is the NFL player and Chloe Kim is. I think she's a professional snowboarder.

[Al]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

There are a couple. Miles Garrett's huge.

[David]

Miles Garrett Garrett, shirtless.

[Andrew Schultz]

I gotta, I gotta. You know, I go, Miles. I said, I said, I said, hey, man, pleasure to meet you. This is.

[Miles]

This is.

[Andrew Schultz]

Look, this is what my seat says. You know, I'm like, God, I don't want to get in trouble over here. I don't know.

[Miles]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't want to get in trouble. Okay, okay. Serena Williams walking in with her husband and started Reddit. I almost had to, you know, be like, yo, you caused a lot of pain for me on this act you made. You know what I mean? Like, I was at to check him on that. Turns out he's six' six, Armenian. I was like, all right, man.

[Al]

He would have sent Serena to take you.

[Andrew Schultz]

Serena might have been able to do that. Might have been able to do that. Anyway, so I said, hey, guys, we got to be in our seats. We got to follow the rules. Zeus's law. And so they're looking at me confused because they've probably been in boxes. And the rule in the box is just you sit wherever. Like, this is this family dinner. There's no assumption. Flying seats. So we go. We go. Okay, blah, blah. You know, you got to go there. And it's better seats, by the way. I didn't want to take the better seat. It was in the front row.

[Al]

Oh, wow.

[Andrew Schultz]

So I'm in the last row. I'm like, I don't want to take anybody's good seat. So they switch with us, and they don't really seem that excited about it. And I realized why is because the front row was the only row getting blasted by sun, and it was, like, 100 degrees.

[Al]

Oh, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

I started to feel bad.

[Miles]

Bad, man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Chloe was going to get water bottles and putting it to Miles's neck. Oh, Miles. The only black guy in the box. So he's absorbing the sun from everybody else.

[Miles]

She's like, snowboarder. She's used to cold conditions.

[Andrew Schultz]

She's Asian. They hate the sun. Like, it's the worst nightmare. So I felt bad, and at the first hydration break, I was like, yo, guys. I didn't realize what I was doing. Like, if you guys want to switch back, you guys absolutely can. But now. Now they said, are you sure? They hit me with the polite, yes, we'll do that immediately.

[Al]

Okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

So we switched back and let them go.

[Al]

Damn. Was that a real offer or you were just.

[Andrew Schultz]

It was a real genuine offer. Like, I spoke to him about. I was like, yo, I feel bad. Like, we didn't know the rules here. Like, and it seems like we wanted the shade. Like, they probably think we wanted the shade. Not that I don't know how to exist in these spaces. So. So it was just vibes. That's all.

[Miles]

You got to become a official soccer fan.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, football fan. I like it. I like soccer.

[Miles]

You need a Premier League team. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Who do I go with?

[Al]

FC Barcelona.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that's not Premier League. I was always a Barca fan.

[Al]

I don't care.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Always love Barca.

[Al]

You don't even watch this.

[Miles]

I think you need to get. I think we need the audience to give you a pitch.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Who should I go with, man?

[Miles]

Like, I've seen a bunch of flowcharts about, like, if you like this, if you want to win trophies, if you like history, da, da, da. And it tells you what team you are. Yeah. But I think you just need to get pitch from the audience.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me which team I should get, guys. I gotta know.

[Miles]

I feel like you're a Man U

[Andrew Schultz]

fan, but isn't Man U like, the front runners?

[Miles]

Not lately.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, I kind of want a Knicks. Like, I want a team with, like, legacy and pride, and then after decades, finally wins the championship again.

[Miles]

Okay. Is that Arsenal?

[Andrew Schultz]

Why you asking him?

[Miles]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a Premier League expert, to be honest.

[David]

Like, why?

[Al]

Oh, yeah.

[Miles]

Arsenal went to the Champions League final.

[Andrew Schultz]

So what league expert are you?

[Miles]

None, bro.

[Andrew Schultz]

What do you need to see, bro?

[Miles]

Maybe some history.

[Andrew Schultz]

Mark has PTSD from getting one soccer thing wrong. Yo, soccer fans are ruthless, bro. All we do is get wrong. That's the mythology of our podcast. Just say some wrong. Who cares?

[Al]

No, but soccer fans are ruthless.

[Miles]

How? What happened?

[Al]

So we watching the game. Spain versus France. Mark, David. They go for France. I'm going for Spain. I'm talking. I'm a talk in New York. I don't give a. About this. They were salty.

[Miles]

What did I do?

[Al]

They was getting in. They feeling. David was.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yo, David. David takes it serious. David, get in here.

[Al]

Ever since then, Mark been chipping at me.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, just n. You guys were getting a little.

[Al]

Yeah, he be just chipping at me. I'm like, bro, I'm rooting for my girl. I'm almost trying to get it up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Need to be sensitive about this.

[Miles]

You got to keep your. Your jersey. How fire is that? You should keep your jersey.

[Andrew Schultz]

Mark is being passive aggressive.

[Al]

He does this fake little. And I'm like, mark, we know he

[Miles]

had the tag on his jersey. I was like, bro, you got to keep that. It's part of World cup history.

[Al]

Wear TEU jerseys. And you bad that I.

[Miles]

All my jerseys are fake, for the record.

[Al]

Yeah, but you don't have to, like, I don't care.

[Miles]

You should keep the jersey from the World Cup.

[Al]

But soccer fans, you see, they. They really interest.

[Miles]

I want you to be a fan.

[Al]

Y' all need to be nice to bro. That's all I'm saying. It's not that serious.

[Miles]

My point was that I want you to be a fan, bro. You should become a fan forever. Keep the jersey for the next World cup, and then you have the O.G.

[Al]

yo, hold on.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm trying to find out.

[Al]

Forgive and forget. Jesus.

[Andrew Schultz]

I love when Al.

[David]

You know, Al's been drinking.

[Miles]

Oh, my God.

[David]

He's in the group.

[Miles]

It's just crazy, son.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm getting random shots at me.

[Al]

Cause y' all mad. Y' all team. Random shots.

[David]

He's out. Oh, this is the.

[Andrew Schultz]

The thing that fucking infuriated Here we go.

[Miles]

Here we go.

[David]

Here we.

[Andrew Schultz]

Now we're getting into it. David about to be Ecuadorian again. Was that it, Miles?

[David]

That was me.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Him.

[Al]

You were denying your fucking Spaniard history, and then all of a sudden, your team lost, so now it's like, oh, I'm a Spanish fan now.

[Miles]

Exactly. That's how the World cup goes. You just kind of root for it. Team.

[Al]

He said he was about to fight me when we was outside. He had to come over to me at a bomb. No, I'm still expecting an apology from you, man.

[Miles]

For what?

[Al]

Christian? You're a Christian or a Catholic?

[Miles]

What'd I do?

[Al]

You know what you do?

[Miles]

I put my hand out and say, hey, great game. And then Al goes, I'm a bad winner. And then all the comments flame him.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's like, what? Nah, I know.

[Al]

He does this little thing where he's just like.

[Andrew Schultz]

He asked if you still had the tag on your jersey.

[Al]

Yeah. Out of nowhere, because he was gonna

[Miles]

return the jersey, and I was like, no, you should keep it.

[Al]

This should happen four years.

[Miles]

It's part of the history.

[David]

I know.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's doing.

[Miles]

Explain. Explain.

[Andrew Schultz]

He's been a Southern blessing your heart. No, you doing the bless your heart. Passive aggression.

[Miles]

What did I say in response?

[Andrew Schultz]

France sucks.

[Miles]

I was like, yeah, they lost.

[Al]

And. No, no. And then he points out a spelling typo.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, yeah.

[Miles]

I mean, you can't.

[Andrew Schultz]

You.

[Guest]

You got. You can't.

[Miles]

You got to spell.

[Andrew Schultz]

You got to spell, right? You know you tight. You know you tight when.

[Al]

That's the move.

[Andrew Schultz]

You still tight right now, bro. Why you still. Oh, the hands. We got. We got distance, Z. And then the next day, and then

[Al]

the next thing, you guys, like, name a player on a team. No, that is it. That was David.

[Miles]

That was David. That was David.

[Andrew Schultz]

Hold on, I gotta get it out.

[Al]

He was like, yo, never played on a team. I'm like, bro, I'm just rooting for my wife's team, bro. It's not that serious. They was in their feelings.

[David]

Nah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You don't think it's fine.

[Al]

I know.

[Miles]

No. 100%. I want everyone to be a soccer fan. Next World cup, everyone has a team, and then as it goes, you pick a new team.

[Andrew Schultz]

Wait, what do you mean? He did it again. Wait, what? He did it again. He did it again, man.

[Al]

Glad this is over.

[Andrew Schultz]

Hold on. Let me understand. It almost broke us up. You want credit for liking the best team in the last 20 years? No, no, You've always liked the best team. So, like, what.

[Miles]

What credit you 2010, they were terrible. 2014, they were terrible.

[Andrew Schultz]

All right, so you had two World Cups where they weren't the front runners

[Al]

when you were five.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Every other one they in the finals.

[Miles]

I can't choose where I'm born, bro. We don't get to choose these things. This is just fate. This is the. This is Zeus, maybe a France fan.

[Al]

He was so tight, Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why are you angry at Al?

[Miles]

I'm angry. That was. Put it on me when I was trying to be supportive.

[Andrew Schultz]

You were not. You told him to return to jersey.

[Miles]

No, I said, keep it. He was going to take the jersey off and return it. I was like, no, you got to keep the jersey because it's fire. It's history.

[Andrew Schultz]

You.

[Guest]

You.

[Miles]

I tried to get him a Spain jersey. I literally had my friend drive from Bensonhurst to try to try to bring him a Spain jersey. Is that true?

[Al]

A Tubu used smelly jersey. Yes, you did.

[Miles]

From the last World Cup.

[Al]

You did try.

[Miles]

Because every tournament you go to, you wear the old jersey. And then it's like, oh, I've been a fan since all the way back

[Al]

before Spain bust for its ass. That was. And then it was.

[Miles]

It was before that game. It was before that game. I was like, bro, you got to represent Spain.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, so you wanted him to be in the loser jersey and wear it, have the stench of loss, and then it backfired.

[Miles]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schultz]

And now you're tight.

[Miles]

Exactly.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Al]

Yeah. You see?

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly.

[Al]

But I'm glad it's over. We're family now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Are we, though? I feel like Mark is still tight.

[Al]

Hey, now, I don't know. Maybe I gotta wait four years, we run it back and stuff like that, man, we good.

[Andrew Schultz]

I love you, brother.

[Miles]

It is honestly annoying when he's like,

[Andrew Schultz]

flipping it and I'm like, bro, you

[Miles]

gotta keep your jersey. And he goes, man, why are you so tight?

[Al]

And I'm like, that's not how to combo with. It's fine.

[Andrew Schultz]

The annoying thing is Al is so blue. Blatantly fake. Yes. And.

[Miles]

And I want him to be real.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, you don't.

[Miles]

No, you need to take New Jersey.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, you don't.

[Miles]

Wait, why don't I want to talk

[Al]

in New York about some shit I don't give a fuck about?

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know if you want him to be real or not, but you wanted to acknowledge that he's being fake.

[Miles]

No, I want him to become a Spain fan, then every world. Why would I not want this?

[Andrew Schultz]

No, you won't.

[Miles]

Every World cup that goes forward, we're all fans of a team.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't understand. I want to help be here. Yeah. But once. Once you start doing the.

[Miles]

What do I want for Al?

[Andrew Schultz]

That's up to you. To do soul searching, you got to be on the island with Calypso, bro.

[Al]

He's going to be playing poker and start bluffing like this.

[Andrew Schultz]

So, so. So, yes, in an ideal world, you would like Al to be like. Like, I don't care about any of this shit and nothing matters to me at all.

[Miles]

No. And the way that when the Knicks were winning, Al goes, yo, you need a Knicks jersey. I was like, yes, dude. I think I'm a Knicks fan. Seeing the Knicks win is so cool. Being in New York, the energy's fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

Are you Al, in this circumstance for the Knicks?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. So what you're trying to say is Al's not really a fan and he's jumping on the bandwagon of the spade.

[Miles]

No, we're all bandwagons. If you don't grow up watching soccer, eventually something gets you and you're like, wow, this is the greatest game ever. Like when you went to the final.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And then I want everyone to become a fan of the greatest game.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. I mean, it is an amazing game.

[Miles]

It's the best.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And so I want Al to become, like, a Barcelona fan. Go to the game, and then every time they're in the Champions League, it's like, oh, fire. We get to watch an awesome game

[David]

and actually feel it.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's the beautiful, benevolent side of you.

[Miles]

That is the only side I'm texting. I don't understand how that's a diss. To be like, hey, keep your jersey.

[Andrew Schultz]

But the dichotomy of man.

[David]

Well.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, how would you interpret it if it could be a dis. Like, let's say that if you interpret

[Miles]

it as, hey, return it, then it's a diss.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, let's say that you got a piece of dialogue written by Christopher Nolan, and Christopher Nolan said, you're a bad guy. How would you mean this exact line as a bad guy?

[Miles]

I would mean you're a fake fan. Return your jersey, because you don't even care.

[Andrew Schultz]

Now, do you find it odd that literally everyone but you interpreted that line in that exact line?

[Miles]

As I'm saying, I can realize how it's interpreted that way.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you're saying in your core, you did not mean it in that way. No. Why? Why would it take a shot, though?

[Miles]

I'm not a shot. He said I'm not a shot.

[Al]

Did you take the tag off the jersey like that in itself?

[Andrew Schultz]

Even if you took the tag off the jersey, he could still return it. Why are you so worried about the

[Miles]

no then you got to, you got to resell the whole time. You can't return without the tag.

[Al]

Yes, you can.

[Andrew Schultz]

David, would you like to chime in here?

[Guest]

Yeah. The day after Spain and France played, I, I apologized to you. I apologized to you. And I called Mark to apologize for my emotions, and he goes, nah, honestly, I wanted you to go harder at al.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, there we go. Why lie to our friends? Why lie to our friends now? You just been lying us this whole time. Look how red you is. You read it Miles, when he says the N word. So this is crazy. Why lie to our friends? I don't say why. Can't we just enjoy this moment?

[Al]

Yes.

[Miles]

When in that moment, Al was being annoying.

[Andrew Schultz]

What was annoying about Al?

[Miles]

That he was intentionally trying to rile up me and David.

[Andrew Schultz]

In what way was he intentionally trying to do it?

[Miles]

He said, you guys suck.

[Andrew Schultz]

Damn. Yeah. I don't know how you can recover from that.

[Al]

It's not like we're watching sports and

[Andrew Schultz]

you root for the team.

[Miles]

Anytime France made a bad pass, we go. I was like, oh, that's annoying.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, oh, oh. Live. You guys are watching it.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Al]

But once I know I'm under your skin. Oh, I am going to work now.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Al]

Yes.

[Miles]

But then after the game, I was like, hey, great game. Give you a handshake, but I know it's fake. It's not. It's a great game.

[Al]

Fume.

[Andrew Schultz]

I didn't shake your hand.

[David]

Well, also, that's David. David is fuming at the smallest.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why were you not ruining for Spain?

[Al]

I, I, He's a traitor.

[Guest]

No, I love Mbappe a lot. And I love the French team. They're amazing players. So I wanted also if Bobby got

[Al]

his second World cup before 30.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Crazy.

[Al]

Who's the trans from Euphoria. He loves her from.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, oh, and babe stole your chick.

[Miles]

That's, you know, it's a Helena choice.

[Andrew Schultz]

Launch a thousand ships, David. Launch the ships.

[David]

Talk about. You mean Lamal's girl Harp.

[Miles]

Heartbreaking heartbreaker. If it's true. Yeah, if it's true. We don't know if it's true.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's true, bro. Come on, get out of here.

[Miles]

But allegedly, she was with a guy three weeks before, like, the World Cup. It was like, I love you, baby. And then during the celebration, she's with Lamina Mall man.

[Andrew Schultz]

Whatever. Y' all see, in Temptation island, these Spanish women leave for less. Okay, Shout out Montoya. Montoya knows. Montoya. Montoya know. Montoya knows what these Spanish women will do given the right circumstances. And it's not even for the, you know, best player in the world. They're the best young player in the world. So come on, chill out.

[Miles]

With all that mean he's up there,

[Andrew Schultz]

is he not the best young player in the world, Lamine?

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

You said he's not.

[Miles]

You said he's not.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, I said he is.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, he is the best young.

[Al]

I was upset. He ain't really show out in the World cup, cuz they be talking about what he's doing in Europe. But he ain't show out in the World cup.

[Miles]

In the final.

[Guest]

Like, he came in with a hamstring injury.

[Andrew Schultz]

I thought he was doing work.

[Al]

He only had one goal and zero assist.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, in the whole World Cup?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh. In the final, though, I thought that he was doing, like. There were moments in the second half where I thought that he was kind of like fading from the moment, let's say, if I was to be hypercritical. But like, they were working through him and he was. He was guarded well, it seemed, and he was like, kind of creating opportunities. It's not like Spain didn't. Spain could have won that game. 5 0. Given the amount of opportunities. Like, the goalie did an unbelievable job, like, unfucking. You didn't think so.

[Guest]

He had one good save. Every other.

[Andrew Schultz]

Every. Every other.

[Miles]

Your shot was right at him.

[Guest]

The free kick save was amazing.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sure, sure. But still, like, we're talking about save off of a header, right? Like, that ball can go anywhere.

[Miles]

Also the whole tournament, if you count the whole tournament.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, Debu conceded like three goals

[Guest]

a game that tournament.

[Miles]

So I thought. You're talking about the Spanish goalkeepers.

[Guest]

No, no, no. You talking about.

[Andrew Schultz]

I'm talking about. Was it Emmy Martinez or whatever his name is? Yeah, but like, no, no Spanish. Spanish goalkeeper, too. I know Spain. This is what we were saying before. Like, he's just realized how far behind the US and low key. Everybody's far behind, you know, because, like, Argentina looks far behind. Like, Spain made Argentina look like the US like, literally like Spain's the midfield play. And I say this is a complete soccer, casual, complete and utter control.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Whenever they got the ball, it was either direct pass or one touch. When the guys in the US Midfield get the ball, it feels like it takes five seconds just to corral it before they Then. And you don't have a chance to build a play if you don't have the midfield setting it up. It's like having a point guard with no handle in basketball. That's what it felt like. Like, when you have a point guard that can get the ball up and then set up the offense, you're in really good position for your star players to score. If you can't get the ball up, how are you going to get in the hands of your star players? Yeah. And like, I don't know, maybe that's just a specific Spain thing, but it's interesting.

[Miles]

In my experience, it falls apart for America as at like 17, 18 years old. Like from like 14 to 15, you could get a collection of American players to play some of the best clubs in Europe and like, it's competitive or they win. It's when you go to college, you're trying to play in the mls, that's when it falls apart. You get a young Lamina Mall playing for Barcelona when he's what, 17?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, 16.

[Guest]

15, actually.

[Miles]

Yeah, 15.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Miles]

So he gets called to the first team at 15 years old. By the time he's 20, he's had five years on the greatest team against like real pros. Against real, real pros. Whereas you have our guys spending a year in college, maybe they go play in the mls and it's like you don't have the. You don't have the level.

[Andrew Schultz]

But how does that affect the touch you have?

[Guest]

The issue is that I think in the youth system in America, they focus more on athleticism and like, durability rather than technique. Like Brazilians, when they grow up, they play in indoors, like five aside, they play futsal.

[Miles]

It's also a big focus on game winning. When you're in the youth program in America, it's like you want to be on the best team that wins all the time. And that often can be from a coach that has a great sport system, but not necessarily developing the best individual players.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And so as a result, like, they'll win games against great competition, but then you get old enough, lose the decision making and the speed, and then it falls apart.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, I was watching that the Spanish midfield, none of them seemed like athletes.

[Al]

Rodri.

[Miles]

Have you seen Rodri? It doesn't look like he's the greatest

[Andrew Schultz]

player in the world. No disrespect to that at all. Yeah, they do not seem like athletes. Athletes, but they did this thing that, like, it doesn't really exist in, like, the sports that I care about where simply holding the ball is an act of aggression. Simply holding the ball and making the defense chase you is an act of aggression because you're not only making, you're not really making like the defenders chase you, you're making the midfielders run around.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And now those same guys have to go set up offense after they're exhausted from chasing you around because you've been holding 70% of possession or whatever. Like sometimes this works in football, like American football, but it's different because the defense and offense are completely different players. So yeah, your defense can be exhausted and then the offense can like, you know, impose their will. But like once the offense comes back on, they're fresh because they've been sitting down the whole time. Soccer is not like that. That midfield got to play fucking D. And then the second shit changes. Now you're just out of breath. You finally get the ball back and then you have to go and start to mount this comeback. Yeah, I thought it was so impressive. And even though there was no scoring, just the way that they would like methodically build up a play and then use their offensive like one on one players. The way that they use Lamine or Nico to set up offensive strikes.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Maybe they didn't execute at one. They had 20.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It felt like they had 10 that were like legit. This could go in maybe that's a lot.

[Al]

Seven.

[Andrew Schultz]

I don't know. But like, it was beautiful to see.

[Al]

So can we talk about the corruption? Because everybody's talking about that. I don't know the game well enough to be like, oh yeah, that should have been called this. And it wasn't called.

[Andrew Schultz]

Let me explain it. We lent Argentina $100 billion to stabilize their economy. We need to make sure that they made that, that money back. So they made the final and now they made enough money where they can pay us back the interest or whatever the vague is on that money. I think it's that simple.

[Al]

But I mean, it's. This has been the case for a while now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, we've been bailing them out for a long time. You know, this is, this is what we do.

[Miles]

Argentina is the only team to make it to the semi final without playing a top 10 team.

[Andrew Schultz]

This one and other times, or just

[Miles]

this, this one is the only one. The group stage was super easy.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Egypt, Cape Verde, great teams, especially Egypt, but not a top 10 team.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Whereas Spain is playing France, Portugal. Like they're playing some of the best teams in the world.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Crazy.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, America, if we beat Belgium, had to play Spain. What the fuck is going on? We have it at home. How do we not have the easiest bracket?

[Miles]

Right? Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, everybody made this big deal about, like, Trump asking Balagun to be brought back on. It's like, put us in the fucking right bracket. I don't want to play Portugal, Spain. I want to play France. I want to play any.

[Miles]

Real corruption.

[Andrew Schultz]

Real corruption. Yeah, yeah.

[Al]

We didn't. We didn't corrupt.

[Miles]

There is a conspiracy theory going around about Argentina. Yes. So this is a couple little layers here. Scaloni, the coach for Argentina, arrives at the stadium and gets off the team bus in tears.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes.

[Miles]

Allegedly, Messi misses every single shot. In the warm up, I saw that Messi's family didn't come to the stadium. Allegedly.

[Al]

Whoa.

[Miles]

The entire squad walked out of the dressing room with their heads down, completely taken. Enzo and Licha are both seen crying. Allegedly, Messi is heard saying, let's forget about everything. Let's just play. Forget about everything. Everyone around him looks very somber. Scaloni abandons the tactical approach that'll work throughout the tournament, leaving the midfield exposed against a team whose midfield is their best strength. Argentina has zero shots in 90 minutes and Latoro, one of their biggest, biggest attacking weapons, never comes in. Couti Romero and Lissandro Martinez asked to be substituted because of injury. Injuries. Yet according to this, neither of them look to be an obvious pain. They're two toughest players in the tournament. Spain commits over 20 fouls without receiving a card. Allegedly, Cucure somehow escapes a red card after covering his mouth, which is Spain's celebration, feels subdued. And they're suggesting that somehow they were

[Andrew Schultz]

talked to before the game, saying, hey,

[Miles]

you guys got to give it up.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is, this is the.

[Miles]

This is the conspiracy.

[Andrew Schultz]

Can I just say something?

[Miles]

I don't believe this. I'm just floating the conspiracy.

[David]

Conspiracy.

[Andrew Schultz]

This is the most Argentine conspiracy that could ever be concocted because it plays into their arrogance. The only way that they could lose is if they had to give it up. Yes. Like, the only way they could conceptualize their team being outplayed is if they said, okay, we'll just let them beat us. There's no fucking way they're saying that.

[Miles]

The Malvinas protest that. They did, like, holding up the sign that, like, the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina. They said that was in contempt of to FIFA's official rules.

[Guest]

They should have been fined and so

[Miles]

they should have been fined. So they were told that, like, hey, you guys gotta pull out these players. The two players holding the sign were the two Guys that were subbed off.

[Al]

Oh, shit.

[Andrew Schultz]

How, how. How much corruption exists in soccer at the highest level? It seems like a lot like real corruption, not like behind the scenes.

[Guest]

There was the whole set bladder thing, you know, rewarding the world cups to Qatar and Russia, and it was later found out that he was bribed for it.

[Andrew Schultz]

So to me, that's not. That's corruption. But it's not corruption that affects play

[Guest]

for, like match fixing.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah,

[Miles]

well, there are examples in the past.

[Al]

I feel like if you don't call a foul, that's clearly a foul, that's corruption during the gameplay, that it would be corruption.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, this would be the argument they would make for the NBA that the NBA controls which refs go to which games. It's not random. And that they might throw in a ref to extend a series because it makes more money for everybody. So that to me, I'm like, okay, this is corruption that affects the way the outcome of the game. Playing in guitar is. To me, it's like, yeah, it sucks,

[Al]

but sucks for everybody. It seemed like every single Argentine game, people were pointing out calls that weren't made. Like fouls that they committed that weren't being called. But then this theory was saying that, hey, Spain's calls weren't getting called. So I'm like, it's really just who makes the story.

[Andrew Schultz]

But, like, did you really think that Argentina wasn't trying to. Trying.

[Miles]

That's the allegation.

[Guest]

Argentina's the worst team to make the final in my lifetime. Like, truly.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Guest]

So, like, they were never going to win that game.

[Andrew Schultz]

They got there luckily, right? Like, they were getting outplayed in most of their games and then in the last few minutes they find a way to pull it off. So, like, they luckily got there and then they went against the best team in the world. Like, I don't think anybody would question that.

[Al]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Sorry, Mark.

[Al]

Dang.

[Andrew Schultz]

But it is right. Are they not the best team in the world? It's like unbelievable. So that's what happens now. What? I mean, it was miraculous that they were able to, like, stay in it. I think America would have done better.

[Al]

I don't know.

[Miles]

Better, but also, like, stay in it.

[Guest]

I mean, like, it was one nil and I don't. The game never felt close. Like, I don't think Argentina were ever going to win that game. Even with the late pushes at the

[Andrew Schultz]

last five, they could barely get the ball. Ball past the midfield. Yeah, they were never going to win that. What I didn't understand is, like, why? And I Was texting the group and also Mark about this. Like, why not feed it to Messi every single time and just let him do something?

[Guest]

That's a lot to ask for a 38 year old Messi against like the best defense in the world.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's the last game you're going to play. Leave it on the pitch.

[Miles]

Like he was just shut down. Like if you look at every time he gets the ball, there's three guys pressing hard.

[Andrew Schultz]

Go. You're already doing nothing. You can't do less than nothing. It's not like they were doing anything. It's not like they were getting shots on goal or anything. If I'm not getting anything at all. What it felt like is since it was 00, they're like, all right guys, we're going to play for penalties.

[Guest]

Certainly after the red card. That was their.

[Andrew Schultz]

Even before the red card, they. I felt like they just submitted. They were like, all right guys, we're going to play for penalties because once we're in penalties, it's even again because they're absolutely whooping us.

[Guest]

They're favorite in our penalties.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, maybe they're favored but like in my mind I'm like, it's 000. We can't get the ball past the midfield. Just give it to Messi. Let him draw attention because naturally he's going to draw more attention than the other players and then see what happens with that attention. Why the fuck wouldn't you at least try that?

[Guest]

The issue is that they weren't even given the opportunity to collect the ball and then give it to Messi. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

Like building out of.

[Guest]

If Spain lose the ball, they're going to press you high. They're not going to sit back and

[Andrew Schultz]

then let you, like, so then have Messi pull back to the midfield. That's what he was doing. Pull further back. Get in the goal, get in the goal. Like literally hang, hand the ball off to him at the goal and then just let him cook on the way up. Who gives? This is your last game. I'm sorry. Like, I know that there's a lot of people who love Messi, et cetera, but like, if I knew that that's my last game. If, if Jordan thought that it was his last ever game. Playing for your international team in a World cup final, do you think he's walking around counting blades of grass for 120 minutes like Messi was, no, yo, give me a rock. Every single time.

[Al]

But that is how he plays. He just stands there and then eventually he gets into the game once the ball gets near him, but when he. When the ball's not near, that don't do well.

[Andrew Schultz]

He need to be there, bro. I'm sorry. Like, I think you need a ball hog a little bit.

[Miles]

Unless they told him to stop.

[Andrew Schultz]

I mean, listen, if we're gonna get into it. Would Ronaldo let that happen?

[Guest]

Nah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Would he let it happen?

[Al]

Oh, that.

[Miles]

He would be. Be probably a little more tenacious. Certainly he'd be at least more mad. He would yell at his teammates more.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, get in there. Make it happen.

[Miles]

There's a famous match fix. Argentina, Peru.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but wasn't this about both were trying to lose or something?

[Miles]

Well, that was a different one. That was Algeria. They knocked out like, West Germany and Austria.

[Andrew Schultz]

So 19 without with Argentina. Peru.

[Miles]

Argentina needs to beat Peru by four goals to overtake Brazil. To get to the final, they have to score four goals. The way that the brackets were set up, it was on a differential. Argentina was ruled by a military dictatorship that wanted to win the World cup at home. The. The World Cup's being played in Argentina. Dictator Jorge Videa Vidella visited the Peruvian dressing room before the match. And then something happens. Argentina suddenly achieved exactly the huge victory that they needed. And then later accounts alleged diplomatic, financial, or political pressure on Peru to throw the. The game.

[David]

Fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's leadership. That's leadership. Not, oh, I'm going to get Balagun back in the game, and then we still get our ass kicked. This is leadership.

[Miles]

Or Diego Maradona putting sedatives in the goalkeeper's water.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yep. The three worlds. Real.

[Miles]

Yeah, he admitted to it, I think, in like 2004 or five.

[Andrew Schultz]

Right.

[Guest]

The three.

[Al]

That. That's. You really want to win.

[Andrew Schultz]

That is, if you're not cheating, you're not trying. Yeah, bro, You're. You're at. This is.

[Guest]

These are rats we're dealing with. This is bad for the game.

[Andrew Schultz]

Rats don't die. Rats will be here. They'll live through a nuclear holocaust.

[Al]

You watch a sport where they fake cry on the ground to get a call. Like, where's the integrity?

[Guest]

MVP of the league in the NBA.

[Al]

What?

[Guest]

Shay. He flops every possession.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's the same thing in every. We don't respect that.

[Al]

Yeah, we don't respect it. We complain about it.

[Guest]

We don't respect. You exaggerate contact. It's.

[Al]

And we don't like it. It's. We call it out.

[Andrew Schultz]

But you guys, like, you're making it seem like that's exclusive to soccer.

[Guest]

It's Not.

[Al]

It's really.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, they get. They get defensive about this.

[David]

I know.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's why I just kept.

[Guest]

The kids always die.

[Al]

That's why I kept doing it.

[Guest]

I remember I had a practice before with this big tournament in Germany, and I got hit and I didn't go down. And my coach stops the practice and goes, if you ever get hit like that again, you go down, you get a penalty. Really? Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

If we're trying to win the game, you got hit.

[Guest]

Go down, get the penalty.

[Miles]

We're trying to win this game.

[Andrew Schultz]

So they taught you to suck meat?

[Al]

Yes.

[Andrew Schultz]

Like, that's the thing I don't get about part of this.

[Al]

Part of being a great player. You got to be an actor. It's part of being a great soccer player. You got to be an actor.

[Miles]

Well, Lamin Mall, like, he sees that D is going up for the kick and he jumps in the way to draw the foul and get the penalty.

[Al]

Yeah, but I'm just saying. Oh, they all do it. But that's the fact that it's part of the game.

[Andrew Schultz]

Nah, Holland. Holland doesn't go down.

[Miles]

Yeah, he does.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's fire and he gets buckets.

[Al]

Well, I told you, he's going to be the greatest.

[Guest]

Bucket he up because in the Premier League this year, a player headbutted him. He doesn't go down. If that player were suspended on. On Arsenal, Gabriel Magal, they probably wouldn't have won the Premier League title.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's a hypothetical.

[David]

Yeah.

[Guest]

No, that's a very, very real situation.

[Al]

You don't want to win like that. You want to win on your.

[Andrew Schultz]

I won the Premier League because I pretended to get knocked out.

[Guest]

You would rather rather win by putting sedatives in a goalkeeper's bottle than diving

[Andrew Schultz]

one game out of here.

[Miles]

But doesn't every sport have that to an extent, like, even, like not drawing fouls, but, like, someone has the ball, you foul them to, like, put them at the line to then shoot.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Miles]

It's like, all right, well, now you're just winning. Who can shoot the best free throw?

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, but we think that that sucks too.

[Al]

Yeah. Like, this is a good part of

[Miles]

the game, but it just is.

[Al]

Yeah, but you guys don't point it out that it's a bad part of the game.

[Miles]

I think it's bad. Yeah.

[Al]

Do you?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, you're embarrassed by it, but you're. You're being defensive and you're to lose

[Miles]

on a dive, I'd be pissed. I'd be like, well, now with Var,

[Andrew Schultz]

there's no dives yeah, they are. They gave a guy a fucking red for. Yellow for.

[Guest]

Okay, there's been diving, exaggerating. He got hit, right?

[Andrew Schultz]

The yellow. Kubarc.

[Guest]

Second yellow. He got hit.

[Miles]

You think he simulated that? I think he.

[Guest]

He definitely exaggerated the flip, but he got hit.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, that's not the one I'm talking about. They gave someone a yellow in the final for faking a fall completely. I think it was an Argentine player.

[Guest]

Oh, no. They gave Enzo his first yellow card for descent.

[Miles]

Yeah, he was yelling at the.

[Guest]

He was yelling at the ref.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, really?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Guest]

It wasn't diving.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh. They did a review and it was, like, completely fake. No, it wasn't even Enzo. It was a different guy.

[Al]

I don't know.

[Miles]

Are you talking about the game against.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, this one that I was at, like, it was a complete dive.

[Guest]

The Switzerland, Argentina one.

[Miles]

Switzerland, Argentina guy dives and then gets a card for that sent off.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay.

[Guest]

And that was.

[Andrew Schultz]

Anyway, look, soccer is fun.

[Al]

Last thing. Yeah, this was funny to me. So Dov has an Argentinian jersey on.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Al]

And he's like, yo, I can't fuck with Spain. They kicked my people out in 1492. But then you're rooting for the country that accepted the Nazis.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's a very difficult situation.

[Al]

I think that one's kind of worse.

[Guest]

Spain has a Moroccan player.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, it's a very difficult situation.

[Miles]

Situation rocking. A hard place. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

But listen, aren't you going to choo?

[Al]

Like, that means this people that come from the descendants of Nazis.

[Miles]

But there's a lot of Jews in Argentina. So he's like, all right, these are. If I'm going to go to a country right now, they'd probably be vibing more than Argentina.

[Al]

1492.

[Andrew Schultz]

So long ago. 1491. 1491, whatever.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

What happened in 1492? Well, no, it's very important because in 1492, Spain becomes a global superpower. So maybe according to coincidence.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's obviously complete. Obviously a complete coincidence that literally a year later, they sail the ocean blue and then dominate all of Central and South America and parts of North America.

[Miles]

Maybe that's bad. Maybe the Jews would have stopped them. They were like, don't do that. Yeah.

[Al]

Right now.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah. Too much information, a lot of emphasis. Yeah, yeah. But there's. Look, there's a lot of beef, obviously, you know, in Spain, even between, like, the Moors and the non. Moors. Yeah.

[Miles]

But the Spanish beef all the time with each other. That's just a part of being Spanish.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Everybody in Europe and the Basque of the Catalonians. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's part of. It's. We don't get along. That's a very. Yeah, that's a normal thing out here.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Al]

Very Americanable. Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. I feel like we get along better. Yeah.

[Miles]

We're not trying to secede all the

[Andrew Schultz]

time because we don't have as individual identities. Like, the only people in America that have. That are, like, Texas and.

[David]

And.

[Miles]

Oh, New Yorkers.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, New Yorkers. New Yorkers don't think that we're separate from America. We think we're the best Texans in their. Part of their ethos is like, we are our own and we could be if we wanted. And you hate to admit it, but, like, they could. I think they have, like, the largest military complex in the world, like, including America or something like that. Like, it's in. They could easily.

[David]

Easily.

[Andrew Schultz]

I think we would. We'd play this game before, but like, Texas versus any country in Europe militarily, Texas wins.

[Al]

Yeah, but Texas versus the rest of America.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no. America wins.

[Al]

Oh, okay.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, of course.

[Al]

So just stay in your place.

[Miles]

Of course.

[Andrew Schultz]

And that's what we say to them. Yeah, but, like, they're the only ones in America. They're like, we're not. We don't have to be America. We have our own identity. And they weren't. We had to, like, pull him in. I forget who went down there. Sam Houston or something. Something like that Sounds right. But like. So. Yeah, but like, in Europe and even within Spain, it's like, the idea of Spain is kind of novel. It's like a new thing for them. There were all these little kingdoms, and they're like, all right, well, we want to just, like, bunch together and then we'll become a country. Yeah. And that's kind of all of Europe. Yeah. Italy, Italy, Italy. Yo, Italy just became Italy, like, 10 years ago. Yeah, not 10 years, but like, in the 1900s.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

I thought that happened in, like. Like 1600s. It was like, 1978.

[David]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

That's recent. Like, there are Italians in America that, like, have a lineage to a country that didn't even exist.

[David]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And now you get why they're all like, oh, I'm Sicilian, I'm Venetian.

[Andrew Schultz]

Because you weren't Italian. I'm from the papal estates or whatever. Like, Italy was. When did they become actual Italy? 50 something.

[Miles]

Yeah, I think it was, like, 56. Around Mussolini. After Mussolini.

[Andrew Schultz]

It was post World War II.

[Miles]

Yeah. That they became, like, the unified. Whatever.

[David]

They later became a democratic republic in 1946, but they were a country under the kingdom in 1861.

[Al]

Still.

[Miles]

But 46 is when America's older than them. America's older than Italy. Think about that.

[Al]

Fire.

[Andrew Schultz]

Respect.

[Miles]

Right. 250.

[Andrew Schultz]

Respect.

[Miles]

Fire.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Al]

I'm glad this World cup is over.

[Andrew Schultz]

Why?

[Miles]

No, imagine it just happened all the time.

[David]

Everybody, every year.

[Andrew Schultz]

But that wouldn't be a special either.

[Miles]

Expanded to 64 teams, which I'm a big fan of.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, more teams.

[Miles]

Like, I want random matchups.

[Andrew Schultz]

More teams? Yeah. Like what? Random.

[Miles]

I mean, I want North Korea versus Vatican City.

[Andrew Schultz]

Fire.

[Miles]

Right. Like, how sick would that be? Like, I did. I want random ass teams you would never expect.

[Andrew Schultz]

I completely agree about.

[Miles]

Maybe Italy can get in.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, that won't. That won't be possible. But, like, yeah, more teams because. Stretch it out. Make it go longer. Yeah, we like this. It's only. It's also one out of every four years.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

And the perfect timing for Americans because we have no sports that we care about for another few months. Yeah. So this is the gap.

[Al]

But can it go on for longer with all those other leagues? Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Then other leagues don't matter. And also, like, it's not like every team manages to make it through. Once you're out, you go play in your other little league.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Al]

What if you in? So now one team might be missing their best player.

[Andrew Schultz]

It is what it is, bro. I don't know what to tell you. Like, this is what matters. Fighting for country.

[David]

Right? The league shut down.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, they keep playing.

[Miles]

There's only one league that's in the summer.

[Guest]

European leagues are off from May to August. But, like South American. Mls.

[Miles]

Yeah, mls.

[Guest]

When they play.

[Andrew Schultz]

Oh, whatever. None of them matter. So just do it. Do it. All through and through. Yeah. Yeah. I think we need something.

[Al]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

Anyway, fellas, we appreciate you. We love you. We see you next week.

[Al]

Peace.

[Guest]

Peace.