Minnesota ICE Killings is the Breaking Point: Flagrant Ep 689

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: Minnesota ICE Killings is the Breaking Point
Podcast: Flagrant with Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh
Episode: 689
Date: January 28, 2026

Main Theme:
This episode, the Flagrant crew drops their signature humor and irreverence to grapple with a very real and current crisis: the Minnesota ICE killings and the Trump administration's controversial response. After a typically wild first hour, the group wrestles with police violence, government accountability, and the American psyche in the wake of a horrifying incident. The episode mixes personal anecdotes and comedic relief with serious, impassioned commentary on civil rights, propaganda, and the state of political discourse.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Comedy & Crew Antics ([00:00]-[21:09])

• Opening Banter: The gang tells ribald stories about crashing at each other's apartments, shower etiquette, and cleaning mishaps. This includes a detailed, comedic account of a “sticky shower incident” and flat-out absurd confessions about jerking off in odd places, which sets a raw, raucous tone.
• Friendship Roasts: They riff on who’s worse as a houseguest and reminisce about times some were homeless or couch-surfing.
• Notable Quote:
  • Miles: "Can I be honest with you? To this day, my right heel is far smoother than my left. Something happened." ([01:36])
• Discussion on Religion: The hosts share experiences about communion, “wafer quality” at church, and religious guilt/policies, mixed with their characteristic religious irreverence.
• Comedy About Masculinity: A running joke on penis size propaganda and the Greeks valuing small penises, culminating in riffing on Michelangelo’s David.
  • Alex: "Ancient Greeks preferred small penises… the wisdom of the gods." ([17:59])

2. Transition - From Jokes to Outrage ([21:10]-[23:53])

• Switch to Serious Topics: After an ad break, the conversation abruptly pivots to the ICE shooting in Minnesota and the Trump administration’s attempted framing of the incident.
• Immediate Outrage: The entire room is appalled at what they see as gaslighting by officials, especially with so much video evidence available.
• Notable Quote:
  • Miles: “I murdered an American citizen in cold blood, and then the Trump administration called him a domestic terrorist.” ([21:10]) (portraying the governmental narrative for effect)

3. The Minnesota ICE Killings and Government Accountability ([23:53]-[36:42])

• The Incident Itself:
  • Trump officials immediately blamed the victim, an American citizen protesting while legally armed, labeling him a terrorist.
  • Hosts lambast the rapid official response without reviewing evidence, calling it “gaslighting” and “disgusting.”
• ICE Overreach:
  • “Little Gestapo-ish” conduct described—wearing masks, lack of accountability, and outright constitutional violations (notably Fourth Amendment concerns).
• The Numbers Spin:
  • Only 5% of those deported are violent criminals, yet officials justify broad sweeps on the basis of public safety.
  • Miles: "If you bring up another fucking pedophile about deporting and you’re not releasing the Epstein list, just shut the fuck up, all of you." ([23:28])
• Chilling Effect:
  • Many Americans—right or left—afraid to speak up publicly for fear of backlash.

4. The Flagrant Platform: Criticism and Responsibility ([26:13]-[29:41])

• On Having Trump On the Podcast:
  • The crew faces criticism for giving Trump a platform, but they defend their record of interviewing figures from all sides and maintaining critical independence.
  • Akash: "We’ve never been a podcast that’s like, hey, you should listen and do what we say… we’re just curious guys who wanted to have a conversation." ([27:04])
• Call for Humane Policy:
  • Hosts reminisce about pushing Trump for a focus on criminal deportations only, expressing betrayal at current mass ICE actions.
  • Comparison to Obama era deportations, which, they argue, were at least more humane.

5. Political Double Standards and Public Perception ([29:41]-[36:30])

• Selective Outrage & Hypocrisy:
  • Noting the right’s sudden pivot on Second Amendment rights when the victim isn’t “one of theirs.”
  • Miles: "Where was the same energy with Kyle Rittenhouse?" ([31:09])
• Imagining Reversed Scenarios:
  • What if a future Democratic administration sent agents door-to-door after gun owners? Conservatives would be livid.
• Systemic Cruelty:
  • ICE actions are “intentionally cruel,” supported by an administration that instantly closes ranks.
  • Alex: "Immediate knee jerk reaction. It was like a group text went out: hey, show strength." ([29:27])

6. Political Fallout and Potential Consequences ([36:30]-[43:17])

• Midterm Predictions:
  • Consensus: The administration’s handling is so unpopular, they are “going to get absolutely washed in the midterms.” ([35:38])
• Conspiracy Concerns:
  • Mark wonders aloud about “canceling the midterms” as martial law, acknowledging this sounds far-fetched but indicative of rising paranoia.
• Suppression & Censorship:
  • The hosts discuss the sudden throttling of ICE-critical content on TikTok immediately after U.S. businessmen take ownership—a “China, but make it American” moment.
  • Miles: "No videos about ICE, no videos about the shooting, no videos about political pushback… That’s like Russia. State-sanctioned censorship." ([48:15]-[48:56])

7. Faith in Institutions & The American Psyche ([43:17]-[56:36])

• Despair & Desensitization:
  • General agreement that official corruption and hypocrisy, even from both sides, has led to mass cynicism and apathy.
  • The Minnesota incident “feels different,” even in a sea of prior police violence—perhaps because this time the victim was white and the brutality is so blatant (“This guy was white, Alex. That’s very different.” [43:57])
• Gun Ownership Reconsidered:
  • They muse on how many now feel less secure in exercising “constitutional rights” like open carry.
  • Akash: "Because of what just happened, I’m second guessing whether or not I should get the gun I’m currently applying for." ([44:43])
• On Civil Courage:
  • They commend the Minnesotan victim’s decision to defend another (a woman pepper sprayed by ICE), while admitting it’s a near-impossible choice for anyone.
  • Akash: "I know myself, if I saw a wrong happening, I’m going to [act]." ([46:12])

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On ICE Conduct:
  • “You have a government-enforced militia with no accountability… What do you think is going to happen? More of this is going to happen.” (Miles, [24:03])
• On Official Deflection:
  • “Accountability for her [Ilhan Omar] is not accountability for this.” (Miles, [30:26])
• On Civil Rights:
  • “If you see it with your own eyes, you know exactly what happened… There’s no partisan bullshit with this. You know exactly what happened.” (Miles, [22:43])
• On Media Manipulation:
  • “It just so happens it’s the biggest political controversy of the year and the biggest social media platform in the world just isn’t working.” (Miles, [48:47])
• On Protest:
  • “The power of respectful protest… And the thing [is] midterms are coming up, they’re going to get absolutely washed…” (Miles, [35:03])
• On Cultural Observations & Coping:
  • “Politics is Real Housewives for men.” (Miles, [55:19])
  • “Sometimes just being happy in the presence of misery is an amazing fucking fight.” (Miles, [57:45])
• On Ethics and Pawnshops:
  • “No one’s ever given someone a good deal behind a bulletproof glass window.” (Mark, [69:10])

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Key Timestamps for Critical Segments

• [21:10] – Serious turn: Minnesota ICE shooting discussion begins.
• [23:28] – “If you bring up another fucking pedophile…” (on Epstein list).
• [25:00] – Constitutional violations by ICE.
• [26:13] – Platform criticism and responsibility.
• [29:27] – Instant administration deflection and spin.
• [31:09] – Second Amendment hypocrisy/Kyle Rittenhouse comparison.
• [35:38] – Midterms, protest fallout.
• [43:57] – Race and public outrage.
• [44:43] – Rethinking gun ownership after ICE shooting.
• [48:15] – Social media censorship (TikTok discussion).
• [55:19] – Politics vs. Reality TV for men.

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• The Flagrant crew delivers a rare, unfiltered condemnation of government and ICE brutality, refusing to hide behind partisan takes or podcast brand-building.
• They dissect the Minnesota ICE incident not just as news, but as a cultural and moral breaking point—where political excuses and “team” loyalty fall away in the face of undeniable horror.
• The contrast between the episode’s comedic chaos and the second-hour’s urgent, often heated analysis underscores both the complexity of public outrage and the power of honest discussion.
• The group remains committed to calling out injustice, regardless of prior associations, emphasizing that “not retreating to the security of a side” is critical—even if it comes at a cost.

Mark ([57:45]): “Sometimes just being happy in the presence of misery is an amazing fucking fight.”
Miles ([59:08]): “If he literally just came out and did exactly what he was saying on the pod with us… I don’t know a single American that would push back on that. But this is fucking heinous.”

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STRUCTURE REFERENCE

1. Opening raunchy banter and comedy revolving around friendship, cleanliness, masculinity, and cultural observations.
2. An abrupt, serious pivot to the Minnesota ICE killings and the government/media spin.
3. Dissection of the broken accountability system, the misuse of government force, and the relevance of personal rights.
4. Critical discussion of the public’s role, protest, and what it means to have a platform in these times.
5. Reflection on the American psyche, faith in government, the lure of cynicism, and the need for hope and action.

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Transcript

[Alex]

Can I be honest? If I had to choose who I would rather have in my place? No question. Miles over Mark.

[Miles]

Really?

[Alex]

Miles. Such a good house without 100%. Such a good Miles of cleanup after himself. Miles would probably do dishes and shit. He would, like, feel very guilty about it and really overcompensate. Mark would take this shit for granted. He came in your tub and didn't even walk.

[Miles]

That's the thing. Like, you don't want to go to take a shower after, like, a weekend on the road and then step in another man's tum. You're saying you don't want to walk into your shower, open up the shower curtains. I thought that was really interesting. Jerking off into the shower and not clean and then closing the curtains to, like, hide the evidence. And then I opened the curtains and I splat step my foot right into a pile of seat. A pile of cum that hadn't congealed yet. He kept that bathroom just warm enough. He kept it just warm enough to maintain. Yeah, the liquid form of come. And I stepped and I just broke it and splattered it. Thank you.

[Mark]

Still warm.

[David]

I didn't know that you were sitting outside the tub in, like, location, location, location. Into the tub, not in the tub.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah. Well, you had a choice to make.

[Mark]

I think I was laying down in the tub.

[David]

You had a toilet.

[Mark]

No, no, you can't go in the toilet. That's crazy.

[Alex]

Laying down in the tub is a crazy. That's a committed.

[Miles]

You were not laying down in the tub. There's no way you're laying down in the tub.

[Mark]

No, no, no.

[Miles]

So you're standing up in the shower, you jerked off onto the floor, and you thought it would drain in, and then you forgot to do the water. Yeah, and then I went to take a shower, and then I stepped on a sticky substance. Substance.

[David]

You've peed in so many sinks. How did you not think the sink was.

[Miles]

What are we talking about, pee here? We're talking about a man's.

[David]

No, I'm just saying he's already pee.

[Miles]

We're talking about a man's cum on the bottom of my foot that I've never recovered from.

[Akash]

He might have peed in your sink, too.

[Miles]

Can I be honest with you? To this day, my right heel is far smoother than my left. Something happened.

[Mark]

Something.

[Miles]

There was some sort of, like, lotion substance that hit my foot, and I have a softer right heel because of that. Don't even say you're welcome. Don't even try to own it.

[Akash]

I'M just saying you need bottle act.

[Mark]

That's what I'm saying.

[Alex]

Right?

[Mark]

It's a fountain of youth.

[Miles]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex]

Well, it kind of is.

[Mark]

Do you guys all want to be younger?

[Miles]

It is the fountain literally is the founding youth.

[Akash]

Got that beef towel on you, Literally?

[Mark]

Yes. Never have to exfoliate again.

[Miles]

This is all very.

[Akash]

You know who's crazy?

[Miles]

What? What is? What's crazy? What's crazy?

[Akash]

Miles was homeless and had a cleaning lady.

[Miles]

Yeah, that was fucking crazy.

[Alex]

That's fine.

[Miles]

That was crazy.

[Mark]

I was homeless and none of you guys took me in. What about that?

[Miles]

I took you in. I let you stay in my apartment for a night.

[Mark]

Okay.

[Miles]

You could stay in there as long as you want.

[Mark]

You mean that?

[Miles]

Yeah, because you got really comfortable. I feel like you thought it was your apartment that you could come in things and not clean them up. Where's going? Did you not shower after?

[Mark]

No, I didn't.

[Alex]

Dude, it was him.

[Miles]

That is the craziest thing. Isn't that the craziest thing? That he jerked off, allegedly. And then didn't wash after? Yo.

[Mark]

Wait, did you wash every time?

[Akash]

It takes more work than not.

[Mark]

But you wash every time.

[Miles]

If I had foreskin, I would wash it.

[Mark]

Right.

[Miles]

You just pee and blow a bubble. But you.

[Mark]

You wash every time you stroke your.

[Miles]

Well, I usually stroke my. In the shower while I'm showering. Okay. Okay. I don't go to.

[Akash]

You got naked, Got into a shower.

[Miles]

Yeah. Stroked your.

[Akash]

And didn't turn the water on and left.

[Mark]

You keep the hoodie.

[Miles]

Are you guys just getting this? No.

[Alex]

Yeah, I thought. I'm just getting this.

[Miles]

I thought you showered. It's a shower.

[Akash]

Then jerked off. But let the conditioner settle.

[Alex]

You really enjoy the time.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

You know what I mean? Five minutes. You're in, you're out. It's efficient.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Akash]

You had a dry jerk, but in a shower.

[Mark]

That's what I said. Laying down fully, lights off.

[Alex]

That is insane.

[Miles]

And that's the jerk off that we know about. There's no way that you only jerked off once that weekend.

[Mark]

Yes. That might have been more times. I don't know.

[Akash]

Is young. Young.

[Miles]

Mark, you empty the clip. This is might have been more done. This is how I know that he did it more than once.

[Alex]

Oh.

[Miles]

Because only if you did it several times would you forget about one.

[Mark]

That's a good point. That's a good point.

[Miles]

You did it like five or six times. You'll be like, oh, I got to make sure I clean up all my paper towels, my little tissues oh, if I got it on his pillow, I got to flip the pillowcase or something like that. And then you just forgot about flip the pillow. You know, he's jerking off in my bed. 100%. 100%.

[Mark]

If you flip it, it's like a new pillow for real.

[Akash]

See, y' all called me bad for going on the carpet.

[Miles]

That is impulsive because you don't even.

[Mark]

Know who's going in there. I know one person's going in there.

[Alex]

Yeah, that's up.

[Akash]

I did to strangers. Did to your friend.

[Mark]

Yeah, exactly.

[Miles]

Isn't that crazy? I don't think we've talked about this enough. Like, it's just hitting me again. Like, what happened to just drop a load?

[Alex]

You were in the most savage place in your life back then, and I don't think you fully processed how fucked up it was.

[Mark]

I know, but you're not mad about Miles jerking off in the studio?

[Miles]

You know, it's interesting, I. Because we did find the loop here. We all remember this story.

[Alex]

Yeah, right.

[Miles]

And, you know, obviously there's somebody here with an extraneous circumstance, you know, that they have to use lube.

[Mark]

Terminal gay. Wait, what are you talking about? Are you talking about Miles's terminal gayness?

[Miles]

No, not that at all. And I think they've.

[Alex]

Wait.

[Akash]

David's terminal gayness?

[Miles]

No, none of them are terminally gay. I mean, I guess you could make the argument that, like, if you're gay, you die.

[David]

Everyone's dying.

[Miles]

Everybody's dying. So heterosexual, homosexuality, both terminal illnesses.

[Alex]

Good point.

[Miles]

100%. But. But, yeah, there was some lube around here, and I thought that somebody was having sex in the studio. I did think that was happening. I thought you were doing it with that girl from Athens. The Greek girl from Athens. I thought you were bringing here to the studio. And I thought you were doing unthinkable things. Not Athens, Georgia. I thought you meant.

[David]

I was like, dude, I don't know what we're talking about.

[Miles]

I'm thinking having sex with a girl from Georgia. There's black women.

[Mark]

With.

[Miles]

What we know about you, you're going right to the source. European whites, blonde hair, blue eyes.

[Mark]

Yeah, true.

[Alex]

Yeah, it's true.

[Mark]

Okay.

[David]

No, I was having. I was not having sex in the studio.

[Akash]

But that would be smart. Homeless, fuck a waitress. Now she brings free food.

[Mark]

Mm.

[Akash]

God damn. That would have been.

[David]

I was doing a lot of away games at that time. Just trying to sleep anywhere.

[Alex]

Why were you homeless here, though? I don't understand.

[David]

It was between two apartments.

[Alex]

Well, how long?

[David]

45 days.

[Alex]

Again.

[David]

No, I was. That was at the time. I was homeless for 45 days twice.

[Alex]

The first time in Brooklyn. 45 days. Second time here. How long?

[David]

We were overlapping the leases at this studio in the old studio, so I was bouncing between them.

[Miles]

Oh, you were living large.

[David]

Living large. I had apartments.

[Miles]

You guys, we're not blaming you. Places to stay.

[Mark]

He's got so many spots. I say, hey, come over. He goes, no, it's fine. I got my own place. I want to have women over all the time. Philandering.

[Alex]

That's an out.

[Mark]

Is. Is. Is dozens of women.

[Miles]

You think that he would bring women back to your house to step in? Other guys. Do you know how emasculating that is? A girl goes to the bathroom to wash off.

[Mark]

Yeah. How do you think I feel listening to this guy banging headboards all night? I'm trying to sleep.

[Miles]

There's no headboards in this studio.

[David]

I don't even have a headboard at my own apartment. That's how I know I'm sort of.

[Miles]

Headboard is overrated. What are we thinking, this headboard thing?

[Alex]

Women make us.

[David]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Akash]

No, it's not.

[Miles]

What do you get out of a headboard?

[Akash]

It just doesn't look like you're a. Only fans, girl.

[Miles]

Tell me.

[Akash]

Yeah, like, if you just have a bed and nothing.

[Miles]

I just have a bed and nothing.

[Akash]

You might have another career we don't know about.

[Miles]

No.

[Mark]

Women forces get headboards. That is true.

[Miles]

My wife didn't. We don't have a headboard.

[Mark]

We have a nice bed module.

[Alex]

Yeah, they make. They make you class up the joint. That's like a thing.

[Miles]

I got it. Okay.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

It looks objectively things on the walls. Yeah.

[David]

No art and no headboard. I'm sort of. I'm drinking orange juice out of the carton. Feeling real good about, like, being a bachelor right now.

[Mark]

You want this guy to stay in your place.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

When you're like, can I be honest? Does it bother you at all?

[Mark]

What?

[Miles]

That you didn't let Miles stay and we tease you about it?

[Mark]

Yeah, it bothers me that Miles is hurt.

[Miles]

That's my favorite answer. That's my favorite answer. Just like it bothers me that he thinks something bad happens. I think nothing bad happens.

[Mark]

But if Miles says it's okay, then turns out I feel great.

[Alex]

Oh, my God.

[Mark]

Look, it's all very hazy, okay? It was a different time. I was abusing a lot of substances. I don't really remember everything.

[David]

All right?

[Mark]

I was going through a lot.

[Miles]

What were you abusing at that time.

[Mark]

A lot of. A lot of coffee. That's when I first started drinking coffee.

[Miles]

Yes, yes, yes. Sugar. There was a lot of sugar.

[Mark]

A lot of sugar. I was doing a lot of sugar.

[Akash]

Co. A lot of Jesus crackers or something.

[Mark]

Yes, exactly.

[Akash]

High off to Jesus or something.

[Mark]

It was a dark time in my life and I wasn't a good. A good enough friend of mine.

[Miles]

Are there places that have better wafers than others? Like, are certain churches known for, like, a good wafer?

[Mark]

I don't think so.

[Alex]

I think they buy them in mess.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Look at you.

[Mark]

But, yeah, no, it's all. It's all standardized.

[Miles]

So there's just one wafer. Nobody throws a little extra sugar.

[Alex]

What does it taste like? Is we're not allowed to eat it. Actually, I have to.

[Mark]

That's true.

[Miles]

Yeah. I got told I wasn't. I went to church with a buddy and I. I guess I didn't. I didn't know if I was.

[Akash]

You didn't do commune?

[Miles]

I didn't know if I had communion.

[Alex]

But when you go up there, you have to do this. If you're not Catholic. So, like, you're not allowed.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

You're going to hell. Like, even though you're at this church, I need you to know you're going to hell.

[Mark]

Even if you're Catholic, if you're not in a state of grace, if you committed a mortal sin, you haven't gotten a confession, you can't take it.

[Miles]

Oh, so if you haven't confessed, you can't take the body of Christ.

[Alex]

That's a mortal sin.

[Mark]

You killed somebody, you killed someone.

[Miles]

Had impure thoughts.

[Mark]

No. If you, like, acted on them, sex outside of marriage would be considered.

[Akash]

What about leaving your best friend homeless for 45 days?

[Mark]

I think the priest would look into it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What kind of friend? You know.

[Miles]

Oh, I heard a good story.

[Akash]

What about when you pound town, you.

[Miles]

Never want to, like, no, I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. Yeah, I'm married.

[Akash]

Married.

[Miles]

I'm married. I'm married. Sometimes I'm married. My wife has been pregnant for the last four years. There's no. Grab onto a headline and go to pound town. It's like, are you recovered yet? Oh, you are. Okay, let's get the doctor to put something else in there. The last five years of my life, I played no role in putting babies in my wife. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy? I mean, I don't even think I sent a Text to the doctor like, yo, thanks for this family, bro. Like, yeah, you got a shout out in the special.

[Mark]

That's nice.

[Alex]

That's huge.

[David]

I know.

[Miles]

I didn't even use his real name. I. I should have, right? Like, I don't know, I thought that maybe he wanted his privacy, you know?

[Mark]

I.

[Miles]

What if my kid goes up and shoots a school? Do you know what I mean?

[Alex]

That's actually okay.

[Miles]

We hope that that didn't happen.

[Alex]

We hope that that's okay to bring guns to school. Just not peaceful protests.

[Miles]

You can bring guns to school. Exactly. And the teacher should also have guns. But, yeah, if you're protesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do it.

[Mark]

Can I make this up to you? Can you stay at my house now?

[Alex]

No, no.

[Miles]

I'm so late. No, because it's not needed now.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

So you only need me when you need me, huh?

[David]

Desperately allergic to cats also, so can't do it.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah, there was some other.

[Mark]

We had a cat at the time.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

That's fair.

[Mark]

Thank goodness he didn't stay.

[Miles]

I think Mark has. Mark has thought about this. No, no, I think you. I think he's thought about this, and I think he feels fine with his decision. I don't think it bothers him.

[Alex]

I've told you, if Mark wasn't religious, he would be a, like, sociopathic, super powerful, super rich, evil. He'd be Lex Luthor.

[Miles]

Possible.

[Mark]

I'm already a piece of shit and I'm doing my best.

[Miles]

Why? Why are you a piece of shit?

[Alex]

Well, his friends are homeless and he makes them sleep.

[Mark]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's that for sure.

[Akash]

Spends a lot of time out outside of the house instead of being a father.

[Mark]

There's that.

[Miles]

Damn. Are we just banging on Mark today? What the hell is going on?

[Akash]

We're friends.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

That's how it happens, dude.

[Miles]

They love you.

[Alex]

You just notice things over the.

[Mark]

I'm not like, who's a great guy? You know what I mean?

[Miles]

Alex is a great guy. No, I'm a fantastic guy.

[Alex]

No one in the studio is a great guy.

[Miles]

He's got a gay podcast studio that he's expanding around the world.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah.

[Miles]

That's for all the years of homopho. He's making up for the 90s.

[Mark]

He's a Tony.

[Miles]

We gotta give these gay people voices. Yeah, I was giving them wedgies. They should be able to speak about it. Yeah, you gotta give a pod to, like, somebody you bullied in high school.

[Akash]

Oh, yeah, that would be funny.

[Miles]

I actually.

[Akash]

I never bullied really? Yeah.

[Mark]

You were accidentally bullied?

[Akash]

I tripped a kid one time, and then I felt really bad about it.

[Mark]

Really?

[Akash]

Yeah. But, like, he was, like, running down the hallway, and I was like, oh, this is gonna be so good.

[Miles]

Oh, no.

[Akash]

And then he went flying.

[Miles]

Big backpack, too. Backpack comes over the head.

[Mark]

Did you apologize?

[Akash]

I did, I did, I did. That was really.

[Miles]

When the kids get the backpack with the wheels, are the parents not involved in that? Are they not going, like, dude, you're gonna be fucking ripped apart in school? Like, I think about that.

[Alex]

I only knew one dude with a backpack with wheels, and it was the tight end on the football team. Six' two black guy. Yes.

[Miles]

You're not saying nothing.

[Alex]

He would just roll around the college campus.

[Miles]

That's kind of swaggy.

[Alex]

The back was fired, dude.

[Miles]

Some little white, and you got a backpack with wheels in it. It's like, yeah, you're gonna go through hell. Yeah. And the parents should know. They should be aware of it. They're like, this is a bad decision for you socially.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Akash]

But when you're a kid and you want something your parent, you just want to make your kid happy.

[Mark]

Also, weird kids oftentimes have kind of weird parents.

[Alex]

That's true. That's true.

[Mark]

I didn't realize this until, like, I went to my weird friend's house, and I was like, oh, your parents are also kind of dorks, you know? I was like, oh, this all makes sense.

[Miles]

What happened? Without saying names.

[Mark]

I mean, just, like, he was just kind of like my dorky friend, and I went over to his house, and then his parents also, right? Yeah, dude, Miles is never a dork.

[Akash]

But actually, that doesn't check out because his dad is super swaggy.

[Miles]

Miles.

[Alex]

Also, he was a dick. Remember the one everybody in the high school found out? Oh, yeah.

[Mark]

Swinging the hammer, dude.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Akash]

Yeah. There you go.

[Mark]

Reason number 10 not to stay in my place. There's no room. There's no room.

[Miles]

Also, God forbid he gets out the shower.

[Alex]

I know.

[Mark]

My goodness.

[Miles]

Dude, he's only seen one. Yeah.

[Mark]

He slips on seam, thing flies out.

[Miles]

She can't risk that.

[Akash]

She's like, they come that big.

[Miles]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mark]

You can't risk that. You can't risk that.

[Akash]

I would be rough.

[Mark]

We have to get a queen.

[Miles]

You ever have your girl talk about the size of your dick? And then you look at her like, man, you ain't seen dicks before? Your girls give you compliments. You like, I gotta keep her off, Braz, man. She does not know what is out there. She does not know.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

It's like the Native Americans who've never seen a ship, you know what I mean? They're just staring off in the distance like, is that a ufo? Like, that's like. Isn't it? Thank God.

[Mark]

Out of respect for men, I feel like I need to correct the record.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Mark]

I want to, like, pull up a video, be like, nah, this is. This is a piece I tell.

[Miles]

I tell my wife it's AI. I tell her it's AI. Like, nah, man. You can't believe that. That's sora. That's. No way. That's a real dick, that guy right there.

[Alex]

Oh, my God.

[Miles]

What would you even do with all. What would you even do with all that?

[Mark]

Oh, that's smart.

[Miles]

That's crazy.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

I would fucking hurt you. Dick like that. But then I might get you pregnant naturally. Dicks like that, you're not in your mind. What's wrong with you?

[Akash]

Like, the sperm barely have to swim.

[Miles]

It's there. They just gotta jump over. Remember when Jack and Titanic got onto the ship? They did that little leap. That's all you gotta do.

[Mark]

Yeah. It is dangerous.

[Alex]

It is dangerous.

[Miles]

Dangerous.

[Mark]

We gotta start that campaign. Like, big pieces are dangerous.

[Miles]

Well, didn't the fucking. Who was it, the Greeks or the Romans did that?

[Mark]

Oh, yeah.

[Miles]

Was it. Which one was it?

[Alex]

I thought it was the Greeks, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Where, like, they tried to do. They tried to gaslight women into thinking small dicks were more masculine. Yep.

[Alex]

God, what a time that would have been for me.

[Miles]

But, like, this is the. This is the beauty of propaganda.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Like, we. We forget that sometimes propaganda works for us.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Yeah. Like when the government's on your side, when the king is a little dick and he's like, these big dick motherfuckers are hoolig. They're like beasts. You don't want them around.

[Mark]

Michelangelo's David. Can we pull up David real quick?

[Miles]

Why does he just have a regular one? Yeah, you got a little one. He has a little one, got big hands.

[David]

And they say it's because he's afraid. And he's staring at Goliath. Goliath and that. Like, it's a fear.

[Akash]

His dick shriveled up.

[Mark]

Nah, hold on, hold on.

[David]

No, they're saying that's a fear response.

[Mark]

This is the supreme man. All right? This is what men are supposed to look like.

[David]

His hands and feet are twice the size of. Of the average man. And his penises.

[Alex]

God, that'd be a horrible fate, dude. Yeah, My shit matches you know what I mean? But if I had big hands, I'd be like this. I feel. I'd feel horrible. I want to ask the girl, do I have big dick energy? She said, no. I said, thank God.

[Miles]

I can't have that. I'm gonna dodged a bullet. That is a good ass point. Big dick energy can backfire. Little dick energy and then supreme prize is probably better.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Miles]

Like the Asian with a regular dick.

[Mark]

That's huge.

[Miles]

Probably gets the best reaction from the girl that they're hooking up with because they're going in. Whereas like the black dude with a regular dick, it's a disappointment.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Like every. When they see your is only like 8 inches and 3 quarters of an.

[Mark]

Inch, like, they're like, that's.

[Miles]

It's all I got.

[Akash]

It was all I got.

[Mark]

Disappointed.

[Alex]

That is wild.

[Miles]

That.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Miles]

Still at the base. Yo, why your dick running? Daycares. Tell your dick to stop. The daycare fraud does have a big ass forehead.

[Mark]

Oh, man. But this, this is the.

[Miles]

All right, let's see it.

[Alex]

Ancient Greeks preferred small penises as it was thought a man with a large penis was a barbarous half animal with no self control, while a man with a small penis was smarter and closer to the wisdom of the gods.

[Mark]

Let's go.

[Miles]

Let'S go. See that? And that got the foreskin on it. That's crazy.

[Alex]

Yeah, that's adding like a very groomed pubic hair.

[Miles]

Yeah, he shaves. Yeah, he shaves.

[Mark]

He got edged up.

[Alex]

Dude.

[Miles]

Yeah, man. Greeks, man. You tried it. That should probably work for a few hundred years too. Probably like big dick dudes were like tucking just out of sheer fear that someone would think they were part animals.

[Mark]

They're selling supplements. Like, dude, this would make your shrink immediately, dude.

[Miles]

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[Akash]

Yeah, that's it.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Like, plain and simple.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

I see the administration trying to spin it, and it's fucking disgusting. It's like they didn't even have a moment where they're like, hey, we're reviewing the footage. We're gonna try to see what's really happening. All of them, Trump and all the cronies put out collective statements that immediately blamed an American citizen that was exercising his first and Second amendment rights. He has the right to protest. He has the right to carry a firearm. He's a legal gun owner. Right. There's no question about this whatsoever. And the administration immediately comes out and they try to gaslight the public, which you cannot do when we have 15 different videos of what happened. Yes.

[Akash]

And that is what they do, though.

[Miles]

But that is what they do.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And I think that governments have probably been doing this for centuries, millennia. And now you have a public that is armed with phones, and we can see what Actually fucking happened. And you're not gonna just lie to us. Plain simple like that. And, yeah, it just. I mean, to me, it's like, you can have. First of all, I know we've had Trump on the podcast. I know there's probably people like, you guys are the last ones that I want to hear talk about this. I don't think any of us are having this conversation to, like, curry any, like, goodwill or, you know, get people to like us or something like that. This is something that is undeniably abhorrent, and you should be called out. Simple as that. Because. Disgusting.

[Mark]

I get the frustration. People are like, oh, but you guys were with them. Da, da, da.

[Miles]

Yeah, it's like, yeah, I get it 100%. I get it. Again, if you never want to watch another thing again because we have Trump, that is totally fine. Respect it. I completely get it. You're 100% allowed to be frustrated.

[Alex]

We made that decision knowing it was open to criticism. All right, there it is.

[Miles]

No knock on any criticism. That being said, like, moving forward, we don't just stay silent when something has this. If we do have a platform, there's people that we're talking to, and we see something that is just so blatant. There's no partisan bullshit with this. If you see it with your own eyes, you know exactly what happened. And there's something disgusting that's happening not only in Minneapolis, I'm sure it's happening in other parts of the United States where it's ICE is under the guise of security, right. Under the guise of safety. Because that's what they're doing, right? Is every time something horrific happens, they keep going. But look at the pedophiles we got. Look at the murders we got. Look at all the violent criminals we got. I looked at the numbers. It's 5% of the people they deported are violent criminals. Yes.

[Alex]

There's probably more pedophiles in the Oval Office.

[Miles]

If you bring up another fucking pedophile about deporting and you're not releasing the Epstein list. Just shut the fuck up, all of you. Yes. I don't want to hear anything else about, oh, we got to deport the pedophiles. They're right here. Yeah, they're right here. They're a list of them, and you're not exposing it. And this is the thing that we've been asking for even before Trump was in office. Anyway, point being is, you see this act, and then you see ICE and the way that ICE is operating, right? With. I mean, Masked guys? No.

[Alex]

Little Gestapo. Ish.

[Miles]

100%. Like I heard people bringing it up and like sometimes people are trying to go like, oh, you're exaggerating. No, no, you have to understand, it's like you have a government enforced militia with no accountability. Poor training, inexperience. Poor training. Obviously you saw from this circumstance no effort to de. Escalate. If anything, efforts to escalate the situation. And yes, just. Absolutely. It's absolutely disgusting. And then when you see the administration defending it, you go, well, where will the accountability ever come from? This is a government enforced agency and the government is backing them immediately, without even reviewing the tapes, saying that they did nothing wrong. So you have guys that, you don't know their names, you don't know what they look like that the government is backing with impunity. What do you think is going to happen? More of this is going to happen.

[Alex]

Yeah, Joey's from Minneapolis. Obviously he was saying they have more ICE officials or whatever than they do law enforcement, like actual police officers in Minneapolis and St. Paul. And apparently they have a quota of people and that's why they're in such a rush to arrest as many people as possible.

[Miles]

They're doing things that objectively. Objectively, I don't care which side of the aisle you're on. Objectively are unconstitutional. So no matter which side of the aisle on, you would like to uphold the Constitution a little bit. Right. Like you can't enter someone's home without a warrant and not some like federal administrative bullshit warrant that they're trying to like skirt around in.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

You cannot enter someone's own without an actual warrant. I think it's like the fourth Judicial.

[Alex]

Fourth.

[David]

The Judicial Amendment. Fourth or Judicial Amendment.

[Miles]

It's the fourth Amendment. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like. And they're just entering homes, dude, I saw them arrest somebody for having an accent. And the ICE agent that arrested him had an accent. Did you see that video? And the guy was like, you got an accent too, where you from? Exactly. And it was just like, you're seeing these. I mean, obviously you've heard of this situation of them deporting legal residents. Like we. At a certain point in time. And I think this is why there is zero support for this. I think it's important to speak up because I've spoken to a lot of people who are seeing it and they think it's abhorrent. And they go, I just. I don't know if I feel comfortable talking about it. I don't know if they feel like Exposure to Trump or whatever like that. I think those are the moments where you gotta speak up, especially because you.

[Akash]

See how Trump moves. It's like, hey, you speak up, you're up.

[Miles]

All right? Then you're out. Who gives a fuck?

[Akash]

And that's the problem. Everybody in his administration wants to be data.

[Miles]

Well, then I'm not even talking about people in the administration. I'm just talking about regular people that were sympathetic to some of the immigration reform that Trump was talking about and then are realizing, no, this is not what they wanted at all. And now they're just kind of quiet because they're worried about getting licks or getting public lashings or criticism on the Internet. Get it? Get it. And anybody who wants to criticize us for platform 100%, that is fair. 100%. But that doesn't mean you just stay quiet. It like if you see something that you look at and you're like, I don't think this is America that I want to live in. And which is the sentiment of everybody right now. There are a few, like, ideologues in the Internet that are trying to defend this. I'm sure you guys have seen.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

But I think the majority of Americans are looking at this and they're going, this is not a country that we believe that we are, and we can't continue to support stuff like this. And I think it's important to talk about it.

[Akash]

I'm just going to give you pushback. I don't think the criticism that we're getting for having Trump on is fair there. Because one, we've had people from both sides of the aisle and it's like, we've never been a podcast that's like, hey, you should listen and do what we say or tell you to do. We're just curious guys who wanted to have a conversation with the guy running for office, running for presidency. We wanted to have Kamala on as well. So it's like that criticism. I don't think it's fair. They're just. Because we had them on and now they're like, oh, everything bad he's doing, we're attributing that to you just because you had him on. And I don't think that's fair at all. Cuz that's not what you wanted. If he came in here and said like, oh, hey, we're going to forcefully remove all of these illegal immigrants the way that they're doing it, we wouldn't be for that.

[Miles]

I mean, we specifically push back. I specifically told them I Was like, dude, you hired illegals. I was taken care of by illegals. Like, let's have a pathway, decisions. Let's have some empathy. And he's like, we're going after the criminal criminals. And maybe I naively believe that he would do that, but it's very clear, like just by the numbers, that that's not what's happening.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And they're using this of like, we want to make sure you guys are safe and secure. How is this more safe? Tell me how this is more.

[Alex]

I don't feel any safer walking in any downtown of any city I perform in. It doesn't feel any safer.

[Mark]

Yeah. It's also, it bugs me when there's like a false dichotomy where people are like, yeah, dude, but you can't just let like the borders be completely open. So this has to happen, happen. It's like, well, there was a time when, you know, people were coming in illegally and then they were deported humanely. And that I think there is a way to do both.

[Miles]

Right.

[Mark]

Like Obama deported people that was done with civility and like keeping human integrity intact. Whereas this seems like it's intentionally cruel.

[Miles]

Yeah. And intentionally chaotic. Yeah.

[Mark]

Like. Like I don't know if, if someone comes in illegally and like, you know, they get caught and then they get deported. It's like, I think most people are like, yeah. You know, kind of, you know, GG.

[Miles]

And they were aware of that risk when they came illegally.

[Mark]

Right. And again, I don't want it to happen. I wouldn't want it to happen to my friends. Like, I think heist is doing is awful, but again, it's the cruelty. And like that cruelty is a feature of the system and it seems to.

[Alex]

Be rewarded by the administration.

[Mark]

Right, Exactly.

[Miles]

At bare minimum defended.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

With zero reflection or accountability. I was shocked that they each echoed the exact same sentiment. Not a single one of them was like, hey, we have to look at the footage. Immediate knee jerk reaction. It was like a group text went out. Like, hey, show strength.

[Alex]

That is exactly what happened.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Group signal text went out.

[Miles]

Out. Yeah.

[Alex]

Guarantee you.

[Mark]

And that's the most concerning thing to me because, like, we can see in like the line of duty, like happens. Right.

[Miles]

Like, yeah. I don't think the ICE officers are going out. How can we shoot an American citizen today?

[Mark]

Right. I mean, yeah, I think, I think they're going out to like intimidate people. But like, as far as like killing goes, I don't know. But as far as like the, the recourse that happens after an event like this, you would hope that there's going to be some type of fair third party investigation and holding people accountable.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

The Trump.

[Alex]

The grossest part of the Trump.

[Mark]

That's what you want to happen.

[Akash]

That's what you want to happen. The grossest part of it, his first administration, he doesn't like being held accountable for anything.

[Alex]

Right.

[Akash]

And I don't think it's any different.

[Alex]

The part that got me in a statement was immediately deflecting to Ilhan Omar and how she has so much money, which is a thing, but like, someone is dead. And then within two sentences, you're trying to deflect onto Ilhan Omar being crooked with money, which I do. I think she probably is.

[Miles]

Look into that, too.

[Alex]

Yeah. This ain't the fucking time in the same statement you're talking about.

[Miles]

But just as you want accountability for her, if that is fucked up or if it is crooked, then we want accountability for this.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Accountability for her is not accountability for this. Yeah, yeah, it's fucked up, man. That's just horrendous.

[Mark]

And by all accounts, he seemed like a good guy. Like, he's literally like, like a gun owner. He's a like, like, as far as, like the American sort of like, stereotype goes. Like, he's working with veterans, a legal gun owner protesting, doing all the right things.

[Alex]

Probably voted for Trump if we just look at the. The facts.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

This guy supporting veterans, he, again, legal gun owner, which in and of itself, usually that's a single issue thing.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So it's like, Mike, you got no.

[Mark]

Sympathy for one of your own, regardless.

[Akash]

Taking away your Second Amendment, man.

[Miles]

Yo, you saw them say that. I think one of them said, I forget who is like, why would you take a gun to a protest?

[Mark]

Yep.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And I've seen this all over the Internet, but people are like, where was the same energy with Kyle Rittenhouse?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

No problem. When he took a AK to the protest.

[Akash]

Yep.

[Miles]

So which I think is incredibly fair argument. Yeah. It's.

[Mark]

Yeah. Even talking to, like, my conservative friends, it's like, imagine in the future, which this probably wouldn't happen because I just don't see it being a, like a feature of the Democrat party. But like, imagine two cycles from now you have a, you know, Democratic president that's like, hey, we want to make sure every gun owner in America has, you know, the right paperwork, all the.

[Miles]

Right registration for the weapons of going after illegals. They're going after gun owners.

[Mark]

But you just want to make sure everyone has the right paperwork.

[Miles]

That's all stopping you in the street. They're like, you look like a gun owner.

[Mark]

And they're sending mass people around to people's houses that have guns. They're like, hey, we just want to make sure you have all your weapons. Is that cool?

[Miles]

Da da da.

[Mark]

Like, it would be pandemonium. Like, everyone would be like, why are you doing this?

[Miles]

And I'd be furious. I don't want to push back against that too.

[Mark]

I don't want to live in a country where you just have, like, mass agents going around like, checking people and rounding people.

[Akash]

Yeah, but because it's happening to brown people, people voted for it. Like, he said he was going to do this. Not in the manner that they're doing it, but he did say, hey, I plan to deport as much people as possible.

[Miles]

I think the argument would be like, deporting people that are not legally here in a humane or kind way would be much more digestible than this horrific shit that we're seeing. And not saying that those people that have been poured couldn't then get legal status at another time. Me personally, I would rather a pathway to citizenship. But if somebody goes, hey, we need a strong border and we should have laws. And if you enter the country illegally, you should be removed and then try to re enter legal. If somebody said that, I wouldn't go, you're crazy.

[Alex]

Yeah. And Fareed Zakaria, who is a liberal, who I think is awesome, came on here and said, yeah, the Democrats gave asylum to too many people. It was just like a very easy excuse to get. And we just let everybody get asylum. We shouldn't have done that. So again, I don't think what was going on before was good, but what is going on now is so undeniably bad. And I don't know if you remember, like, five years ago, we were talking about police reform during COVID and I was like, they're in. If this was happening to white people, it would get a much different response. And I think Black Lives Matter should highlight the times when there is like, police abuse or whatever toward a white person, a U.S. citizen. And I think that's part of why you're seeing so much outrage. And I think that's the one silver lining of this thing, is you're seeing abuse to US Citizens, white dudes. And it does. It hits people differently when they look like you. That's just what it is. If the guy looks like you're not a bad person for feeling this way. When you see yourself reflected in a guy that's a victim that's getting brutalized. It hits you differently. And that's the one, like, kind of silver lining of this very dark cloud is like, oh, now you're seeing it happen to everybody. It happens to everybody. And now maybe we should do something.

[Miles]

I mean, like, couldn't you just think about, like, if your face was shown on all those videos that are out there, if your, you know, name tag was present, if your badge number was there, wouldn't you act differently?

[Akash]

Yep.

[Miles]

And if it wasn't, you know, if you were a completely anonymous human being, you would also act differently. And we have to accept that given these circumstances and given the support and I would even say, like, the push of the administration to behave in a certain way, you're just going to get more of this if you don't change it. Like, this doesn't stop today. If they don't change it drastically, we'll just have more and more of this, plain and simple.

[Mark]

And it's probably safer for federal agents, right? Like, if they have their body cam and they're accountable to the law, they're going to operate in a way that's going to not get them caught up in shit like this. So I'm like, I feel like it's just better for everyone if you are operating within the law. I mean, I feel like that's kind of dumb that you have to say it.

[Miles]

No, say it. I just think it's important to say. I think it's important for us to say. And it's like, yeah, how do we.

[Akash]

Get the current administration to stop conducting themselves in the manner that they're doing it right now?

[Miles]

Well, I think that protest is the way to do it. I think you're already seeing them start to back off from. From it. Like Trump said. Trump's gonna fire, maybe my fire. I mean, he'll, you know, I think.

[Mark]

Bovino already got swapped for it.

[Miles]

So Bavino got swapped. Homan's going in. Maybe he fires Gnome or something. Somebody's gonna have to take the fall for it. And I think that there he said, he's like, I had a great call with Waltz, the guy he called for.

[Mark]

The last three months.

[Miles]

He goes, I had a great call with Waltz, and it looks like we're on the same page. And. But this is the example and the power of respectful protests.

[David]

Another thing you do is vote and, like, contest.

[Miles]

That's the thing. Midterms are coming up. They're gonna get absolutely washed in the midterms if they even try to defend this or Continue to defend this and continue these. They're gonna get. They were already gonna get smoked, and it's gonna be a fucking bloodbath if this continues. It's not popular. Have you met one person, like, an actual human being? Not some, like, ideologue on the Internet, like an actual human being that goes, yes, this is exactly what I wanted.

[Alex]

I haven't. But we're also in a fairly liberal place.

[Akash]

Yeah, I don't have too many conservative friends.

[Mark]

I mean, I reached out to, like, my people that are conservative, like ideologues, but also just, like, random, you know, like dads that live in Florida and shit. And even they were like, yeah, this is not a good. Like, this is not what I want.

[Alex]

Will the bad sentiment last 10 more months? Midterms are in 10 months.

[Mark]

The thing is, though, I feel like they already know that the midterms are lost and that. I mean, this is, like, now conspiracy land. But I'm like, is this a push to be like, hey, this whole country's in disarray.

[Miles]

Martial law.

[Mark]

We got to cancel the midterms. It's corrupt, yada.

[Miles]

Oh, my God.

[Mark]

Like, I know this is crazy, but.

[Alex]

I'm like, I think that would get met with crazy uproar.

[Akash]

Yeah, but he could do it.

[David]

This is also going to cause a shutdown, probably.

[Mark]

There's, like, a over the ICE funding.

[David]

Yeah, there's an ICE funding bill that's going to be pushed through in the next, like, 10 to 15 days, depending on snow and a few other things, and this will probably cause a shutdown. So, like, that will dramatically affect how this administration navigates that.

[Miles]

You know, it's really unfortunate because, like, Trump has this unbelievable ability to take a bipartisan supported issue and make it into a culture war. Like, it's. He's unique in his ability to take something that everybody supports and then make it divide everybody right down the middle. This one isn't even divided down the middle. I feel like most rational people are like, this is fucked up. This got to stop. This is not the America we want to live in. But, like. Like, if he literally just came out and did exactly what he was saying on the pod with us, which was, we're going to deport the criminals, I don't know a single American that would push back on that. I'm sure there would be people. But if they were like, we were going to go deport that, we have. They're arrested, they are in jail currently, they're awaiting trial. There are people that have committed crimes and they're still illegal, but they're back on the streets. If he just sent those people back, do you think that there would be culture war about this? Do you think there would be mass protests?

[Akash]

I don't think so. But like you said, there's only 5% of the people that's been deported. So then his numbers would look low and they will look like not a.

[Miles]

Like he's not doing the job.

[Alex]

Is that why they're just deporting everybody? Just so the numbers look good for him?

[Akash]

Yes.

[Alex]

Why Minnesota? Why is he going to Minnesota? Is there something went everywhere?

[Mark]

Yeah, he's the first place. But I think Minnesota specifically just had the most confrontations.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Akash]

Yeah, but a lot of blue states.

[Mark]

That's my interpretation.

[Akash]

At least a lot of blue states that.

[Alex]

Okay, that's what I was wondering.

[Miles]

Now I would, I would probably make the argument that the blue states are more often like sanctuary cities where they're looking out to protect. Protect the illegal immigrants that are there.

[Akash]

I mean, I think there's a lot of illegal immigrants in Arizona.

[Miles]

Yeah. But I don't think Texas. I don't think the state will protect them as much. I think the state would probably cooperate to get them the fuck up out of there. Whereas in Minneapolis, I think the state is a little bit more empathetic to them. And they're like, no, we don't want you to just do these fucking searches. And we don't want you to. We're not going to have law enforcement go support you on these raids. And I think that's where there's going to be some.

[Akash]

Okay, maybe not the state will push back, but I think the people, I think the people. When you start taking people that they have connections with, like, hey, you may be the home attendant or you may be whatever, like, I have a relationship with you. And now you're just grabbing this person that, that's grow loved and worked with all this time.

[Miles]

That's what you got to think about more like, it's like, you got to think about the restaurant that you're going to, the guy that works there. You got to think about your gym and the guy that you see working. They're like, you got to think about, about each one of those people that's being taken away. Not the violent criminals, get them the up out of here, but the people that are just being asked on the street. Hey, you have an accent. Wear your papers.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

When you start imagining those people as these people you interface with on your regular everyday life, it just becomes like, just horrendous yeah, it's up. Yeah, it's up.

[Akash]

It's up.

[Alex]

Yeah. And I don't have any, like, real faith in anything they do being, being out of any kind of goodwill anymore. I was willing to have that in before the election because I felt like liberals had kind of things up and then they're running commonly that nobody really supports, and they just foisted her on US and xyz. But that got used up pretty quickly, and now I don't really think anything they're doing is with any good intention. That's like, out the window for me.

[Miles]

Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think that they react to? Like, what do you think the way to get them to change course on this?

[Alex]

The NRA is apparently pretty upset, and I think the NRA sends them a lot of money and then that's going to make them react.

[Akash]

They haven't donated that much in recent times, so they're not as. They don't have as big of a voice as they used to have.

[Miles]

So then what does Trump react to? Like, what is, what is. Does he react to the stock market? Does he react to gdp? Like, what are the, what are the metrics that can be used to make the administration bend to the whim of the people?

[Akash]

I think stock market and popularity.

[Alex]

Yeah. I think if his own people stop buying the bs, then he's like, like, oh, now I need, I need to find another hustle.

[Akash]

Like you said, his own people are being quiet. They didn't. Might not agree with what's going on, but they're not talking about. Disagree.

[Miles]

I've seen some like, like, dudes who are like, yo, I was at January 6th and this is up. I'm not standing for this. I'm speaking out the fact you know people at January. I don't know him. I'm, I'm on, I'm on social media.

[Alex]

I've seen. He didn't say, I know.

[Miles]

My bad, my bad.

[Akash]

You just talking.

[Miles]

I go to one government protest. No, but like, I, you know, I've seen these people kept in touch on and Instagram, and I'm like, good for you. Like, that's fire. Because you're standing up for your principles. You're standing for what you think is right or wrong. Like, we might disagree on so many other things, but that's the thing. It's like, I don't need to agree with you on everything, but I need to agree with you on basic right and wrong. This is wrong.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

There's no way to justify this. And I understand that there's, like, a lot I understand when these kind of things happen, you know, most people just retreat to a side. Right. Because there's security in the side. Some things are so fucking blatant. It's just right or wrong. The side is right or wrong. It doesn't matter when you're left or right. The side is right or wrong. Nobody's watching this and be like, this is right. This is the America I want to live in.

[Alex]

Unloading a clip in a US Citizen.

[Miles]

Is wrong for exercising his constitutional rights.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Like, don't bring up any bullshit. I think fucking even Kash Patel said something like, why would you bring a gun to a protest?

[Mark]

Right.

[Miles]

It was him that actually said it.

[Akash]

He said. Said that. Exactly.

[Miles]

It's like, are they not even thinking before they're tweeting these things?

[Alex]

No, they're just following the company line.

[Miles]

But, but, but the company line would say you should be able to bring your legal firearm where the you want in America. So it's like they're not even. They're scrambling to defend something that's indefensible to the point where they're willing to rebuke their own constituents.

[Alex]

Exactly.

[Miles]

They're willing to insult their own constituents. Like, how dare you live a constitutional life? How dare you exercise your constitutional rights. You should just do whatever the fuck we tell you to do. Do.

[Mark]

Yes.

[Akash]

And that's why I wonder when his base is going to open up and see that this is the play that they've been playing since.

[Miles]

Yeah. Yes, it is a. It's like, it's. It's an interesting thing because I think that we have, like, an all time low expectation of government, and, like, we have an all time low expectation of. Of. Of faith or trust in government. You know, like government officials enriching themselves on both sides of the aisle. Right. So it's like, it's almost like, it's horrible when we see, you know, Trump's family make hundreds of millions of dollars on meme coins. It's horrible when you see Pelosi do it. It's horrible with the Nepo baby shit. Like, it's horrible. But for whatever reason, we're almost like desensitized to it because we're so used to it happening.

[Akash]

Right.

[Miles]

This feels distinct. This feels different. This feels like something I haven't seen in my lifetime.

[Alex]

I've never seen this.

[Miles]

You know what I mean? It's like this isn't like run of the mill political corruption and, and cronyism.

[Akash]

And to me, this doesn't feel different. Like during the BLM stuff. Like, I feel like cops were killing people and immediately they were trying to turn the person who died into the aggressor and like, make them the reason why that situation happened.

[Mark]

Like Philando Castile.

[Akash]

Yeah, like, like before an investigation happened, it was like, oh, well, wait, he sold drugs back in the day or he's a user or a gang member or something like.

[Miles]

That's, That's a fair point.

[Akash]

So this is not new.

[Miles]

That's a fair point.

[Alex]

This guy was white, Alex. That's very different. Cuz this guy.

[Akash]

Real, bro.

[Miles]

I've seen some idiots. I've seen some folk. Folks in Minneapolis, like, I've seen them some. I've seen like some liberal folks in Minneapolis, you know, say that they were buying guns and they wanted to make sure they could defend themselves against tyranny, et cetera. And it's like, again, I'm. I grew up in New York, we weren't allowed to have guns. I don't have any kind of like, infatuation with guns, but. What?

[Akash]

No, you finish your point. And then.

[Miles]

Because, but like, in a weird way, does this highlight, I can't believe I'm saying, but like the importance of an armed republic public.

[Akash]

And you know, it's crazy, because of what just happened, I'm second guessing whether or not I should get the gun that I'm currently applying for.

[Miles]

Because you're worried that if you had a gun in an altercation like this, it would put yourself literally.

[Akash]

He was just doing the right thing coming to this woman's defense.

[Miles]

Yeah, I know. That was a crazy thing. The ICE officer, I don't even know if anybody's talking about, like, throws the.

[Akash]

Woman, pepper sprays her, like, he's just trying to protect her.

[Miles]

No, there's no way you do that.

[David]

What's that the only pushback on that. And I just was reading online, like sort of things about what you wrote. Yeah, because I was reading what I wrote just a second ago under my burner account. But the. Some people, some concealed carry people are saying that he should not involve himself in an escalating thing while armed.

[Alex]

Go fuck yourself.

[Miles]

So that's. So that's the argument that we were saying. It's like, okay, okay, what would we say to our children? We would say that we would like, hey, don't involve yourself in a conflict like that. If you are armed, you're raising the stakes. What would we say to any of our friends? Comply with law enforcement. That's what we would say. To anybody that we care about, we love, because we want to see them come home at night. That's what we would say. There is a higher expectation that we have for law enforcement, of course. And the reality is that a lot of these ICE dudes, these aren't like lifers working for ice. A lot of them have, like, six weeks of training. So they're undermanned, under trained, and zero accountability for their actions, and no identity to reflect upon. You know, it's like.

[Akash]

And we would tell people, hey, don't get involved. But I know myself. If I saw a wrong happening, I'm going to.

[Miles]

I did that shit. And you ended up in prison in Swedenborg. I saw something wrong happen. I had to step in.

[Akash]

Yeah, I did that shit. And I ended up in prison, too. We weren't letting a black man in an establishment.

[Miles]

Well, next time we're in Ghana, I'll do it again. But yeah, so it's a noble thing.

[Alex]

He did, the heroic thing. That's what you hope. That's what you hope your son does in general. But even though the selfish part, he's like, no, just come home. But if you. If your son did that and survived, you'd be so proud.

[Mark]

He also has a medical background. Like, who better to, like, be around, you know what I mean, than someone that actually has, like, a medical training to assist?

[Akash]

So that's what I was like. I was really thinking. I was like, holy. Because I know once I have it, I' ma have it on me always. So I'm like, that could be me.

[Miles]

Me.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

I mean, that is something to consider, though.

[Akash]

Like, no, I'm still get it, though.

[Miles]

Obviously still get it. But it is something that is always concerning. I can imagine, like, you carrying a firearm. Things can escalate to death very quickly. Yeah, I think people say that. They're like, if you own or carry a firearm, the likelihood of you dying by gun goes up, like, a significant percentage. I think a lot of that might be suicide. So I don't know if that, like, skews the. The data a bit, but yeah, yeah, it's just horrific. And you want to know some crazy. Have you, you know, you know, like, and this is not to get conspiratorial, but it's pretty, like, blatant. So, like, the US just takes over TikTok, right? Like Larry Ellison and, like, a few other people bought it. Yeah, there's been all these people that are like, political commentators on TikTok and Instagram that, like, I follow some been very critical of Me and us, whatever. But I still follow because I want to know what's on going on. All of their political stuff is being throttled to zero views. If you talk about ICE or anything political, if you're even talking about the weather, zero views. You could talk about other so. And again, I'm not making some, like, China's the best argument, but like we.

[Alex]

Talked about, we are China too.

[Miles]

Like, we were concerned with China controlling TikTok because it was like they could control the algorithm what we can or can't see. And it's like the second America gets it, there is no. No videos about ice, no videos about the shooting, no videos about political pushback in this.

[David]

Right.

[Miles]

And now it's probably advantageous for China if those videos proliferate TikTok. Right. Because it's going to cause more unrest in America, et cetera. But it's crazy. The second that we get control of it, it just so happens to be a data outage at a data center. Wow. It just so happens.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Wow. It just so happens it's the biggest political controversy of the year right now in the United States of America. The biggest social media platform in the world just isn't working.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Wow. And people's views, they don't even know how to throttle it. Right? You throttle it to like a hundred thousand views, they throw that to zero. Yeah. That's like Russia. That is like state sanctioned censorship.

[Alex]

I don't think they care how it looks. I don't think they care about optics.

[Miles]

But you saw the CBS 60 Minutes thing. They're like, what were we going to do for. Did you see this? You get sent to the tweet. Robbie sent me this tweet.

[Akash]

They're like, what are we going to.

[Miles]

Do for 60 Minutes this weekend? This is this past Sunday, right? This is this past Sunday. They're like, we're going to do a movie night now again. Maybe they had this booked weeks in advance and they have to do it according to scheduling. They didn't have a story set up. Like, I'm sure there are other arguments you can make, but it looks incredibly tone deaf. Tone deaf and coordinated.

[Alex]

Who's the network that fired Stephen Colbert? Bear.

[Miles]

Who's the network that Larry Ellison also owns?

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[Miles]

So it's just like they're gonna.

[Akash]

I bet you CVS is gonna tank and probably they're gonna kill TikTok because now you saw that new terms and agreement. Whatever.

[Miles]

No, what is it saying?

[Akash]

Like now they can like track your geolocation. They can get so much more information from you. And, like, people are deleting TikTok now.

[Miles]

And I'll be honest with you, I don't think people care anymore about that privacy. I think that was popping for, like, a few years where people are like, I'm gonna put a sticker over the camera on my computer now. They're like, watch me. Like, I'm gonna stream 24 7. I don't give a. Like, I.

[Akash]

Maybe it popped up on my algorithm, but it seemed like.

[Alex]

I don't think people. I think he's saying people won't stick to it.

[Miles]

Yeah, there's a handful of people that won't, but I think at the end of the day, people are gonna gravitate towards attention.

[Alex]

Dopamine addiction wins.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Also somebody else, my boy Matt McCoy, pointed this out. If you have clear. Do you guys have clear? Clear?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Alex]

They got your full retina scan. That's a private company.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

They can do whatever they want with that.

[Miles]

It's crazy.

[Alex]

It's nothing. I'mma give you that you don't already got. You got my entire retinal scan, fingerprints, retina, it's all you. You can do whatever you want.

[Akash]

If it saves me five minutes getting on the planet, hey, you want my cum? You my DNA, that's what you want?

[Mark]

Yeah. I mean, Facebook kind of proved, like, the privacy shit, no one really cares about if it's convenient enough.

[Miles]

Exactly.

[David]

Exactly.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

You know, like, that was years ago that if it's like, this shit's popping, like.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah. The only thing that will matter is, is the Tick Tock experience still fun? And if it's not, then it's a problem.

[Miles]

But I wonder if it's so throttled right now that people just start to. I don't know what they'll weigh. Will they weigh distraction over information? Will people like, all right, I'll just watch, like, stupid cat memes. I don't care. I'll just watch Housewives clips. I'll just do this dumb distraction.

[Akash]

Unfortunately, most likely they will.

[Alex]

So then.

[Miles]

Yeah, I support that.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[David]

Apparently that. That privacy thing, like, is less egregious than possibly thought about. These are things that were already. Fuck you fact checking for.

[Miles]

No, no. That's a nice factor. I can sense the trepidation in you sharing this information. I understand. It's not coming from you, Miles. You're just sharing what exists on the Internet.

[David]

So, please, it's a little less egregious. Apparently, it's that the. The data is being stored now locally In California, and there are laws in California that tell you that your data is being tracked. So it's just a. Oh, so they.

[Miles]

Have to disclose more.

[David]

It's a disclosure.

[Akash]

Got it. So they were just doing it already?

[David]

Apparently so. I don't fully know.

[Miles]

I mean, of course they're all tracking it. Dude, have you ever got, like, a nonsense app? Like an app that, like, just opens a door to your gym and then immediately asks, would you like this app to track your other apps on your phone? I'm like, what the fuck are you. You just opened the door to the gym. Why do you need to track my other app? Every app on your phone is getting information from every other app on your phone and every place that you go.

[Mark]

And Palantir has it.

[Miles]

They got it.

[Mark]

It is what it is. We live in a police state. It's fine.

[Alex]

I don't know what Palantir is.

[David]

I know.

[Akash]

I feel like I'm missing out on selling data because I feel like that's the new hustle. Like, just get people's data. And everybody that signs up for my podcast studios, it's like, I have all that data.

[Miles]

Hey, can't we just sell.

[Alex]

Why can't we just sell you our data individually?

[Akash]

Guys, if you need information, I'll give you my sh.

[Miles]

People know where the gays are. They have neighborhoods. We don't need to find. We don't need to find it out. We got the loud ones that like.

[Akash]

To talk in front of bikes.

[Alex]

They have all of Manhattan below 168th Street.

[Miles]

God damn. So, yeah, so what do we do? What do we. What do we do moving forward? Look, here's the thing. And, like, obviously the Internet is going to, you know, frame certain things, certain ways, and that's completely fine. And people are digesting information in, you know, 60 second clip, etc. And that allows people to frame situations in a certain way. People in a certain way. 100%. I don't expect everybody who watches clips of us on the Internet to watch every single interview we do. Like, I'm sure there's definitely people who saw us interview Trump that never saw us interview Bernie Buttigieg or the handful of other Democrats that we've had on the pod. I get that. And that's totally fine. And that. That's the world we live in when we decide to put stuff out on the Internet.

[Akash]

Give us credit for getting Zoron elected.

[Miles]

Yo, we get no credit.

[Akash]

Big Zo elected.

[Miles]

Fix the bump on the Williamsburg brid. Yeah, that's us.

[Akash]

I want that credit.

[Miles]

No, but so, like, I. I understand that that is. That is just the cost of putting stuff out there on the Internet. And the Internet is so siloed that you're only going to get the specific things. And I get that. And there's. It. It might be frustrating, but it's no, like, complaints. But I think the. I think the important thing that we're doing is, like, not retreating to the security of a side. And I think that's what a lot of people end up doing in these types of situations is they just go, oh, there's a lot of criticism out here for having this tech take. And, you know, despite having Trump on the pod or something like that, I'm just gonna avoid the conversation entirely or I'm gonna retreat to the Trump side. And it's just like, I don't. I don't think that's anything that we've done. I don't think it's anything we will continue to do. I think from the day he's been in office, we've been holding him accountable and bringing on voices here that are incredibly critical of him and giving them a platform to speak on those criticisms.

[Mark]

Yeah, politics is just messy, dog.

[Miles]

It is.

[Mark]

I don't know.

[Akash]

I love, love it.

[Mark]

I mean, it's fun to talk about, but my issue with, like, having politicians, like, they just got a lot, like.

[Akash]

Yeah, I like Real Housewives.

[Miles]

I like Politics is Real Housewives for Men. Yeah. But say. Say your point. This is a good point.

[Mark]

But just like, having politicians, like, on any show, like, they kind of have to, like, bend the truth. They sort of are required to lie.

[Miles]

Right.

[Mark]

Like, they have private donors that are giving them hundreds of millions of dollars in order to lie. So I'm like, you ask them an honest question, and they're like, yeah, whatever.

[Alex]

They're also genius manipulators. I can't think of a politician we didn't like that. We didn't walk away being like, I like that guy Trump.

[Akash]

As a guy. Just speak for yourself with that one.

[Alex]

You didn't find yourself. I'm being serious. You didn't find yourself remotely charmed by him.

[Akash]

I just thought he was a lot more savvy than I thought he was.

[Alex]

That's what I was.

[Miles]

Charming. So he was savvier in his ability to charm, but you still looked at it through the lens of, he's putting something on. He's just trying to win. I think to Akash's point, it's like, like, yeah, you sit down with these people, like, you know, sitting down with a Buddha judge, you're like, wow, this guy's so smart and he's thoughtful and he like meets you where you are emotionally. And you know, Bernie's just coming in. He's just like a wrecking ball of like old school New York charm. And you just want to hang out with him at a, you know, play chess in a park or some like.

[Alex]

Bernie Charmy and how little he gave a. If we liked him or not. Yeah, I found that very nice.

[Miles]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark]

I don't know, I try not to be like too black pilled about this because I just get like, like, I don't know, like, I don't, I, I don't.

[Akash]

Sorry. What's black pill?

[Mark]

It's just like so sick. Honestly, nothing matters.

[Miles]

Nothing matters. They're all liars. They're all. Pieces of the world is going to go to. Why are we worried about it? Which is the easiest way to go through life?

[Mark]

That's how I, that's, that's my inclination.

[Miles]

Have you seen everything everywhere all at once or whatever? You know, the, the dark donut or the dark bagel hole or whatever? Yes. Yeah, I think that's what. Okay, I think that's a metaphor for it. It's like, yes, life is. Or life could be meaningless. We could choose to subscribe to this thing that we're thrown into the world and eventually we die. So what's the point in caring? What's the point in trying? And what's the point in trying to have a positive perspective on the world? And that is the easiest route that leads you to the most misery. And like the dad in the movie makes his choice to be fucking happy despite every reason to not. And that is the harder thing to do. And he's a fighter. And if you notice in like the, I don't know, not dream sequences, but the alternative reality is like, he's an amazing fighter. Right? Because like, that is the fight. Sometimes just being happy in the presence of misery is an amazing fucking fight. That's how I looked at it and I was like, oh shit, he is the bravest fucking character. I think the daughter realizes it, that.

[Alex]

His wife realized it too. She thought he was just like a little bitch the whole time and she's.

[Miles]

Like, no, that's the strongest motherfucker here right now is to not fall victim to this shit and to push through and to try to find some joy, try to find some happiness and try to find some positive perspective. Perspective.

[Mark]

So I try to hedge that with like optimism. Where Like, I like Zoron. I'm optimistic, but I'm also like, I just, I don't know, Like, I just, I want it to work out. And so I just choose to believe that it'll kind of work out. But I don't know, I get cynical in moments like this from, like, dude.

[Miles]

I. I feel that way. Yeah. I feel that way about Zoron. I've always felt that way about Bernie. And it fucking drove me crazy when they robbed him twice. And I even think there's, you know, things that Trump says are seductive, is I'm going to end the wars. It's like, I would like those wars to be ended. That'd be awesome. Awesome. Now here we go. We're going to start another war with Iran. You know what I mean? Like, when he says we're going to cap credit card debt at 10%, when he says we're going to stop institutional banks or whatever from buying up all the single family homes, I go, that would be. That would be awesome. And if he's able to do that, I'll give him credit for it. I'm not going to sit here and not call out a strike when it's a fucking strike, but this is fucking heinous.

[Alex]

I think he was starting another war within the US Less.

[Miles]

Exactly. And then you got to call that out too. You know, it's. And, and you're going to get the licks, and we're going to get the licks, and that's totally fine. That is what it is. Again, we're not. Yeah, but.

[Akash]

Yeah, but if he throws too many balls, then the strikes don't matter, in my opinion.

[Miles]

That's an interesting perspective.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

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[Alex]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

That's funny, right?

[Miles]

Like, if you are going to do some wild shit and you know for a fact that in a week or two, everybody's going to be focused on this big game. And then the week before it, all the media attention is going to be about the preparation for this big game. Like, will it squash the momentum of that very divisive conversation?

[Akash]

Interesting. I thought it was the Epstein file.

[Miles]

All this time, that is the only thing.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Where them at? Yeah. Yeah.

[Akash]

Conveniently not talking about.

[Mark]

We're on, like, the fifth level of distraction. Yeah, we have the distraction of the distraction.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

With a new distraction. Speaking of which, dude, Seattle and New England, right? We're back. Everything's fine. Football's on tv.

[Miles]

Football's on tv. The Patriots are back in the Super Bowl.

[Mark]

Yes.

[Alex]

They have given us a phenomenal playoff.

[Mark]

The playoffs are so good. Good. Forget everything.

[Akash]

Can you break that down? I know nothing about either team.

[Alex]

Both games were good. I felt bad. It was Denver and New England. Denver was the number one seed, and they. New England only beat them 10 to 7. But Denver lost their starting quarterback at the end of the game before. So they had a guy who had started like four games in his entire career coming in, and at first he was playing well, but then with an inexperienced quarterback, what you do is you just blitz them. Once you get really experienced, you love when they blitz you, which is like, you got your four linemen and they send other people. And when you're really experienced, you're like, oh, if you're sending people people, it's like double teams in basketball. And that means let me get it out and know how to break the defense down. But once they started blitzing him, he got flustered. He up, he made a couple mistakes, and that's the only reason New England won. They're a good team, but I didn't realize how good Denver was until I saw them just dominate New England's offense. New England is a good team. They got a great coach. That guy Mike Vrabel, who was a Patriots player, came back and it's like the chosen one, basically.

[Akash]

Oh, that's cool.

[Alex]

They went from, I think, 4 and 13 last year to 14 and 3 this year. Wow. Insane turnaround, Dan. He's the only real change they made. They got Stefan Diggs, a good receiver, but, like, it's him. And then they're playing Seattle, who I didn't think would win because their quarterback, everybody kind of thought choked in big moments. He was like, highly touted out, out of college. And his first game I saw him in college is a big game. He played really well. But he said this. This kind of his career for years he was not playing well, and he was playing the Patriots, and they caught him on a school high. Mike, he was playing horribly. And he goes, I'm seeing ghosts out there. Which is like the worst thing you can get caught saying is you're a quarterback. It's like, oh, God, this guy's. Mentally.

[Miles]

I thought they say that when there's a white corner, go long. Yeah.

[Alex]

Well, now then you're cooking, then you're wide open.

[Miles]

But what do they call Milk check?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

You heard that term?

[Mark]

No.

[Miles]

When a white guy's guarding you in basketball or football, they're like, milk check.

[Alex]

A couple good white corners now.

[Miles]

I mean, in history, there's been a couple.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. True.

[Miles]

Yeah. It's like Cooper DeJean, Cooper De John. I think Jason Seahorn had like a year.

[Alex]

Yo, he had a year. Who's nasty? Then he had a bad knee injury.

[Miles]

I think he just had a white knee. Yeah, he gave everything that one year. And then his knees are like, come on, guys. We play safety. That's what they do. The white quarters. Yeah. They realize they're slower.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Just stay in the middle and tell.

[David]

People what to do.

[Alex]

Yeah, that is true. True. But then this guy Darnold played and then everybody thought he would kind of shrink in big moments. He had a couple bad games last year in big. In big moments. This year the Rams pass events is not good. But he played his ass off in the championship game. So I don't know if he continues if he plays like that. Against New England they have a historically great defense. Seattle does. New England is good, but historically great defense, young quarterback who's really good. He's going to get better, but you can still kind of with him probably he's in like his second year. So I think. I think Seattle would win. I don't know. What are the odds? Seattle 68% and new 33%.

[Miles]

So right now, Cal, she's at Seattle 68%.

[Alex]

If Sam Donald plays well, I think it's. It's locked in and they beat the out of San Francisco the week before and he didn't have to play that well, but San Francisco is very beat up. So I don't know. I think New England is a really good team. I think I would pick Seattle, but it really is all going to depend. Depend on how this quarterback plays out.

[Mark]

Who do I support? Because on the one hand, and New England is like a legacy team. Everyone loves them, yada yada. But also their fans are annoying.

[Alex]

They had enough, but they're also the underdog. Yeah, they had enough.

[Miles]

They never. Yeah, I don't think the Patriots are ever the underdog in a Super Bowl. They're like the Lakes trading underdog.

[Alex]

You had a lot of success and then you had like five, four bad years and now you're back in the Super Bowl. Now you got a great quarterback again and a great coach again. Y' all can wait one more year.

[Akash]

Wait. But your hunch is that Seattle's going to win.

[Alex]

I think Seattle's going to win. Which means you're New England.

[Akash]

New England all the way. Go past all the way.

[Mark]

Yeah, I probably will.

[Akash]

Yeah, I'm. I'm going drop some money on New just because he thinks, yeah, he's going to win.

[Alex]

I got my camera equipment back, so if you'd like, to pawn it to get money. Let me know.

[Miles]

You got everything back.

[Alex]

I got everything back.

[Miles]

Wow.

[Alex]

I was honestly most concerned about. I mean, obviously the camera equipment sucked. All my drives, all my shows, all my sets, I'm trying to build the hour. That's the thing I was freaking out about. But I got it all back.

[Miles]

So owning a hard drive is. That is a dedication to gambling.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Right. Because how much you get for a hard drive?

[Alex]

Like a hundred dollars?

[Miles]

Not even.

[Alex]

Right.

[Mark]

Nice hard drive.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Akash]

Nice hard drives are expensive.

[Miles]

Really?

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah, we had a lot of on it.

[Miles]

And a pawn guy understands that. How do they have so much knowledge?

[Mark]

Right?

[Miles]

Like, the pawn guys, you have to give it up to them to, like, know how much everything is.

[Alex]

They're like Antiques Road shows, but for new, but even old.

[Miles]

Like, whenever you watch.

[Akash]

You guys ever heard of the Internet before?

[Miles]

Before the Internet, I'm saying, like, you. You would go with a revolutionary, like, war hero ring and be like, how much is this worth? That's it?

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Akash]

Oh, okay.

[Alex]

You never missed out on some. To be honest.

[Mark]

You never did. The Price is Right showcase showdown. Is that what it's called? Yeah, the pawn shop owner.

[Alex]

Just go on there and dominate everything.

[Mark]

Rinse.

[Alex]

Right, yeah.

[Mark]

Because you just know. Oh, that jet ski is obviously AK Bang. Then he gets a jet Skis out of here.

[Alex]

Okay, I'll give you three.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Miles]

What do you get for the pawn? Do you get the value of the good? Or is it 50% of the value? Is it 80%? Like, what?

[Akash]

No, it's usually a small, small fraction.

[Miles]

Like, really?

[Akash]

Pawn Stars, people go there, desperate cash.

[Miles]

I love Pawn Stars. But the idea is what, that, like, you're getting a fraction of it and you're going to eventually. So you're essentially getting, like, a loan.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah. And instead of the interest, it's just a low value.

[Miles]

Right, right, right, right.

[Mark]

So, like, you have this $10,000 item. Here's a thousand bucks.

[Miles]

Bucks.

[Mark]

And then if you never. If you come collect it. All right, fine. And if you don't, then I just resell it. Pawn Stars was fire, bro. I used to watch that show, little.

[Miles]

Eps or whatever, but.

[Mark]

Oh, it was fire, dude.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Some guy bought a bunch of camera equipment. He seemed like he was stressed. He seemed like he was really in a bad spot.

[David]

And they looked at.

[Mark]

They're like, this hard Drive is 100 bucks. And they're like, yeah, and it has comedy on. They're like, I'll give you five.

[Akash]

He's going through a hard time.

[Miles]

But, like, if you're the pawn. If you're the porn guy.

[Alex]

I didn't say anything.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

You think the pawn shop is what he's stressed about.

[Miles]

But if you're the pawn guy, like, are you judging the desperation and giving a number based on that?

[Akash]

I think so.

[Mark]

Oh, probably.

[David]

Yeah.

[Miles]

So, like, you're looking for, like, marks on his arm, you smell his breath for alcohol, like you're seeing how desperate they are. And then you're giving out mark money based on that. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

No one's ever given someone a good deal behind a bulletproof glass window. If you're going into negotiation with a guy with three inches of plexiglass in front of him, you're probably gonna get rinsed.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Odds are.

[Alex]

Is that ethical?

[Akash]

What?

[Miles]

The pawn shop.

[Alex]

Or is it predatory?

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

Probably predatory, but not unethical.

[Mark]

I mean, what is ethics? Right?

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Oh, God. Have a opinion. I hate when you do this.

[Miles]

You ask the question.

[Mark]

It's the formulated morals of the group. Yeah.

[Alex]

Question.

[Mark]

We live in a society illegal. So, yeah, it's ethical.

[Alex]

Oh, God.

[Mark]

I personally wouldn't want to do it.

[Alex]

Thank you.

[Mark]

But you asked me if it's ethical. If you asked me if I would do it.

[Miles]

But if you gotta ask the question, if something's ethical, then you already know.

[Alex]

I was hoping you say yes so I could open one.

[Miles]

Really?

[Alex]

All I wanted.

[Mark]

No, you don't give me that.

[Miles]

You don't want that.

[Alex]

No.

[Mark]

You don't want to be in the pond.

[Miles]

I would never go to an Indian pawn shop. Them cheap, you ain't getting nothing.

[Mark]

Yeah, exactly.

[Miles]

You try to give them your. A wife, they give you $5. Yeah. You pay me of dowry. Yeah.

[Mark]

You get your camera cooling back. Smells like curry. You don't want it. Come on, dude. You didn't like that?

[Miles]

That was.

[Mark]

No, come on. No, come on.

[Miles]

I need to be more specific. All right.

[Mark]

Yeah, you get your. Smells like turmeric. Smells like turmeric.

[Miles]

Turmeric is better. Turmeric is better.

[Alex]

I like it.

[Mark]

Give me a punch of clown.

[Miles]

You get your camera equipment. It smells.

[Alex]

That's what I was thinking.

[Miles]

Honestly. Honest thing is cultural. I want to be the one saying.

[Alex]

But that's what I.

[Miles]

My thought was.

[Mark]

That was better.

[Alex]

That was what I thought it should go. Just humorous standpoint. You know what I mean? If we're only talking humor, just lazy racism.

[Miles]

Try hard. Racism works.

[Alex]

Yeah, dude. This is educated, informed, nuanced racism.

[Miles]

Yeah, absolutely.

[David]

Pawn shop said good bikes. When I was a kid, I'd get my shit stolen all the time, and.

[Akash]

Then I'd go, buy your bike back.

[Mark]

No, buy another bike.

[Miles]

Sometimes you buy someone else's stolen bike back.

[David]

Exactly.

[Miles]

How does the pawn shop handle that? Like, how do they make sure it's yours and then once it's pawned to them, do they own it?

[David]

You have X amount of time to buy it back from them.

[Miles]

No, no, no. So I steal something, I go to the pawn shop, I pawn it. How do they make sure that it's. That it's mine to pawn?

[Mark]

No, that's what pawn shops are for. They're not cheap.

[Miles]

So it's all stolen. So what are the legal ramifications right there? Like, there's none. The cops aren't gonna go, yo, this is a stolen good. So we're take this back, and the.

[Mark]

Pawn shop loses money and they say, prove it.

[Akash]

Yeah, like, no.

[Alex]

They told me if I called the cops, this is why I didn't. They said the cops would confiscate the equipment.

[Akash]

Yeah, but you have to show proof that you bought it. Go through all that rigamarole and all that shit. Nobody wants to do that.

[Alex]

I'm amazed you got through rigmarole.

[David]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I'm so proud of you.

[Miles]

Can we just let it come? I'm proud of you.

[Akash]

In my head, the next word is going to be but I'm proud.

[Alex]

Proud of you.

[Miles]

I'm trying to give you a compliment. Yo, you're a bully. He said a multi syllabic word. He got through it. You know, Just let him get his w. Man.

[Mark]

I'm trying to comp.

[Alex]

I try to give love where I could give love.

[Akash]

Out here dressed like a y. N right now with a.

[Miles]

This hat Higher.

[Alex]

Hat is fire, right?

[Akash]

Yep.

[Alex]

I know.

[Miles]

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

[Akash]

Yeah, no, that was good.

[Mark]

No, he pulled a grenade on me, so now I got to get him back. Also, I got my. My Christmas gifts finally shipped up from Florida. Do you know what this is?

[Miles]

Let me see it.

[Mark]

Oh, no, you don't want to touch this tuning fork. This is a jaw harp. Yeah, the mouth banjo, Dude, I literally saw it go.

[David]

Sounds like the Australian outback.

[Akash]

Yo, white people, bro. I swear to God.

[Mark]

How sick is that, right?

[Akash]

Y' all need more fun. What is.

[Mark]

This is my Christmas gift. This is what I got for my secret Santa.

[Miles]

Why did you get this?

[Akash]

Oh, then that's an awesome gift. Then. Now I feel bad. I've on one of your family's gifts.

[Mark]

No, it's secretive. They don't know who it is.

[David]

Have you up yet and hit your teeth?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[David]

Oh, that shit'll rattle your head.

[Alex]

Miles, you know about this?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[David]

Mouth banjo.

[Mark]

It's called a heart banjo.

[Alex]

Truly do.

[Miles]

I've never heard of a mouth banjo.

[Mark]

It's called a Jew harp. The other name for it is a Jew's harp. I wasn't going to bring that up. Some people call it a Jew harp.

[Miles]

I personally is this.

[Alex]

Cuz it's a gift. That's from a cheap.

[Mark]

I personally don't use that verbiage.

[Akash]

Okay, but why is it called a Jew harp?

[Mark]

I actually don't know. I. I think it's supposed to be jaw harp. And then people kind of like 20.

[Akash]

That's not funny enough. No.

[Alex]

Southern. Got to go.

[Mark]

Can you get the etymology on that? In the meantime, this is a little ditty Jew harp. Here we go. It's from. It's uncertain if it's connected to Jewish people or Judaism at all. The old English word. The. The goo go.

[Akash]

Oh, yeah, you're right.

[Mark]

The Jewish hump. It's French. Dude. This is like European. This is a European instrument.

[Akash]

Now, are you actually doing anything with your mouth?

[Mark]

Yes, bro. My mouth is doing insane tricks.

[Miles]

Look.

[Akash]

Oh, okay.

[Mark]

Come on, dude.

[Miles]

Does it. Does it make another sound besides that one?

[Alex]

Yeah, it's. That sound is mildly.

[Mark]

Do you want an A? Can you play something? You want to play something?

[Alex]

Yeah, like something that sounds like a song.

[Mark]

Okay.

[Miles]

I mean. All right, here we go.

[David]

You got to tap your foot and your boy's got a spoon. He's playing spoons on his leg.

[Alex]

Okay. Maybe with the spoon.

[Miles]

It goes to a thing almost.

[Mark]

I'm just practicing.

[Akash]

I'm.

[Mark]

My lessons. I haven't started my lessons yet, but once I get my lessons, then it's going to be over for y'.

[Akash]

All. So it goes from that and then you guys have to climb buildings.

[David]

That's like.

[Miles]

Let's talk about that. Let's talk about Alex Honnold.

[Akash]

That was crazy.

[Mark]

We were debating the Alex Honnold climb outside.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Mark]

Because someone in the studio. I won't say who.

[Miles]

Hold on. Can we stop before and just say. Well, one thing.

[Akash]

Oh.

[Miles]

Have you ever seen a sporting event that was more anxiety inducing for a longer period of time than this climb?

[Mark]

You can say the World Cup.

[Miles]

So you sit in anxiety.

[Mark]

That World cup final, we all watched it. It was terrifying the entire time.

[Alex]

Wow.

[Miles]

I. I feel that with boxing matches sometimes. But at least you get a little bit of a break.

[Mark]

This was, well, for you, Pa. Specifically pacifically, because you hate heights.

[Miles]

Huge Fair of heights.

[Mark]

Yeah, but we were talking about it out there and someone said that this was selfish to do.

[Miles]

Why?

[Mark]

He has kids. He's doing this in Wiley's children.

[Miles]

Yeah, it's part of the conversation.

[Mark]

I don't think it's selfish.

[Alex]

But he's also. This is how he feeds him.

[Mark]

That's what I'm saying.

[Alex]

He's a high risk job.

[Mark]

Also. I don't even know if this is risky.

[Alex]

He made this look wild.

[Miles]

Easy to watch it, bro. You gotta get some clips of this.

[Mark]

It's risky for me to do this, but for all.

[Akash]

This is stupid, bro. This is so stupid.

[David]

It's a little selfish.

[Miles]

Just like. Just. Why?

[Alex]

Why do you think it's selfish, Miles?

[Miles]

This is.

[David]

Cuz I don't want to watch you die if you fall, bro.

[Mark]

He's so safe.

[Alex]

But then don't.

[Miles]

Well, we are watching to see if he dies.

[Akash]

Yes.

[David]

Well, I couldn't watch. I had to wait till he did it to watch on Twitter.

[Miles]

Oh, really? You made sure he made it.

[David]

I wouldn't. I can't watch that.

[Akash]

See, that makes sense.

[Miles]

You got to see when he climbs up like these little dragon portions, you see those like silver that are extending out past the building. There's. So the thing about this is like there's nothing that he can grab his hand on and like hook behind. So all the grabs he's doing, he's holding it like brick.

[Alex]

Fucking crazy.

[Miles]

Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

[Mark]

Just standing up there is insane shit.

[Miles]

Yeah. I think you need to see him go up. I think they're called like the dragons or whatever it was. Also there are people working in the office. How is like there's one crazy person. That's all it takes to do a jump to scare. Yeah. And he slips for one second. He falls and he dies. Yeah. And he does have a wife and two kids. And I get the idea that it's selfish. Like there are certain things I would not do now that I have a wife and kids. But I also don't do these things for a living. Like this is what he does to provide for his family different.

[Alex]

He's literally wind up there is probably crazy.

[Miles]

Crazy.

[Akash]

Weren't you saying that he's missing a part of his brain or something?

[Miles]

Yes.

[Mark]

I think he's Amy.

[Akash]

It's like then it's not that crazy then.

[Miles]

So you think the only thing that's crazy about about it is the fear factor. And once you eliminate the fear factor, it's just climbing. Like you're at the park he's just the.

[Alex]

That would explain the strength, actually. That would explain the strength.

[Miles]

Look at this.

[Alex]

Look at this. I mean, that's.

[Miles]

This is actually the worst angle for it, because right now he's extended off the side of the.

[Alex]

I want to be with you and make this, like. Oh, but this is awesome. Awesome.

[David]

Yeah.

[Mark]

I don't know.

[Alex]

Wow.

[Miles]

So there was an hour and 20 minutes of this straight.

[Alex]

Wow.

[Akash]

You watched it?

[Miles]

Yeah, son. I watched the whole thing. My wife tried to watch something else on the phone on the tv. I had it on my phone watching the entire time.

[Akash]

I wish we can, like, put a poll out. I just want to know the race of people watching.

[Alex]

I don't know if I'll be able to watch it.

[Akash]

This is single black.

[Alex]

No, this is fire.

[David]

I think it be more fun to watch with black people.

[Miles]

Yeah, it's like magic. Yeah, but it's too long.

[Akash]

It's too long. When you gonna fall already? Like, that's.

[Miles]

But the entire time you're thinking, man, this guy could die in front of the entire world and his family. Live on Netflix with crazy.

[Akash]

The smile is crazy dumb doing this thing.

[Mark]

I'm willing to bet this was. This was easier than most of his climbs. Yeah, most of his climbs out in the wild are way harder than this. El Capitan is way, like, by 10 times that.

[Alex]

El Capitan.

[Mark]

That's the one he did on Free Solo. It's like, the most difficult.

[Akash]

But, yeah, I really are just watching, like, I don't know if you're hoping that he falls.

[Miles]

No, you're not part of it. You're not hoping that he falls, but you know that. That is.

[Mark]

Those are the stakes.

[Akash]

Yeah, but it's like nascar. It's like, you don't hope they crash, but it's like, yeah, we get a crash. It's exciting.

[Alex]

Now I want to see him defy.

[Akash]

I think it's a little bit of that in y'.

[Miles]

All.

[Alex]

I want to see him defy death.

[Akash]

That's the stakes ingrained.

[Mark]

Like, you. You are sports because you're like, yo, someone's going to lose. Someone's dream is to win a Super bowl, and they're gonna lose.

[Alex]

Now, this is a physical feat that defies death, and that's a pretty cool thing. And it's hard. It's not like, again, this is easier than what he normally does. Fine. But this is hard and scary, and this guy just beats it.

[Mark]

Yeah, he's built different.

[Miles]

I won't.

[Akash]

But this.

[Alex]

That is greatness. I'm not even bullshitting that is greatness.

[Akash]

No, he's missing a part of his brain that makes him afraid to. To, like, if there's no fear, then he's just climbing.

[Alex]

I honestly think even if you didn't have that part of your amygdala, you couldn't. And with your grip strength, you couldn't do this. No, you got grip strength.

[Akash]

I wouldn't ever attempt to do this.

[Alex]

But if that part of your brain was missing, you, you still. The physical feat is still impressive.

[Akash]

No, I can do that.

[Mark]

Easy.

[Alex]

Easy. You know it requires leg strength, right, son?

[Akash]

I dropped a few pounds. I can lift my body.

[Miles]

That's.

[Akash]

No, there's no legs here. It's all arm strength.

[Miles]

I got that. He said an interesting thing. I was. I was watching him talk about climbing, and he said that he goes. Climbing is closest to going on the StairMaster. I go, what? And he goes, Most things that you scale, most rocks. Like if you're at, like, a climbing wall that's indoors somewhere, what they do is the walls often, like, extend out at a negative angle. So you're kind of like, yeah. He goes, but most of these. These walls that we scale, these mountains that we climb, have a slight decline. And you don't see it when you're watching the videos, but, like, essentially, you're using your hands to, like, make sure you're staying on the wall, but you're pushing yourself up with your feet, and you're kind of like leaning into the wall. I think that's missed in the way that they captured on video, the way they capture a video. Looks like it's flat, right? And you're like, how the hell is he holding on with something that's 2 centimeters? He's kind of like leaning into it. Not to take anything away from him. It's absolutely terrible. Terrifying. But.

[Mark]

And then their strategy. You gotta, like, figure out, okay, how if I move my leg here, up there.

[Alex]

Wait, what? Did he eat midway? No, I thought I saw some.

[Mark]

I mean, he might. There's been. I think, when in free solo, he's like.

[Miles]

He has a little bite. Yeah.

[Mark]

He's, like, grabbing, like a little trail mix snack. He's like. He's, like, having a great time. Literally the whole time he's having a.

[Miles]

What were you gonna say, though? Strategy.

[Mark]

Oh, yeah. Like, if you put, like, again, I don't know about climbing, but, like, if you put your one leg up, all of a sudden now you're like, okay, I gotta get my other leg over to this other hold. So you gotta, like, jimmy around in order to strategize the whole climb, to know where to put your body.

[Alex]

He must have visualized this climb a thousand times every step.

[Miles]

I think he did it prior with a harness, so he knows the route that he's gonna go. But, like, there's also things that you don't consider, like, the building is dirty and greasy, he said, and it rained, like, a few days before, so they couldn't do it. So they were gonna do it live a few days before it rained, so naturally you're not going to be able to do it. And he goes, yeah, but the building is dirty and greasy, and it's really interesting. So he has this chalk in his back. Right. But it's so windy. You see the chalk flying out of his bag throughout the climb.

[Mark]

Wow.

[Miles]

So there's a part of you going, like, is he going to run out of.

[Alex]

Run out of chalk?

[Miles]

And the is so greasy. Like, there's parts where he's climbing up and he's using his feet to wedge, but they're not wedged on anything. He's just kind of like, pushing against, like, a flat glass, and as he's pulling himself up, his feet are sliding down. No, no. It's crazy, dude. Like, I was looking at some of the climbing stuff.

[Alex]

That's awesome, dude. I wouldn't do it.

[Miles]

Look, there's a moment. There's a moment right here. I think you'll see it in a second. If we keep going where he does, like, a. It's called like, a bat hang or something like that. Watch. Both hands off.

[Alex]

What?

[Miles]

Both hands off.

[David]

Blood in your hands. And you'll see him sort of shake him out.

[Miles]

Yeah, he's flexing at that point. He's just doing, like, an emote or whatever.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

I mean, it's just sick. This is what it's all about, dude. Watching humans do awesome shit.

[Miles]

Yep.

[Mark]

Right?

[Akash]

You can do awesome without risking your life.

[Alex]

This guy's a dog.

[Akash]

Can you, though? Yes, you can.

[Miles]

I think y' all need stakes. That's the difference.

[Akash]

We not doing this.

[Miles]

What's the awesome thing that doesn't have stakes? And the stakes might not be physical. They could be, like, emotional. You know, it could be, like, public speaking is obviously terrifying for most people. So they see that. They're like, oh, my God, that's so unnerving. I would never to want. Want to do it. So what's the thing that you see with no stakes that you're still like, this is awesome.

[Akash]

I need some time to think about it.

[Alex]

But he Likes him. IG videos. What are the IG videos? You like the cooking ones. Cooking, Alex cooking. IG videos.

[Miles]

So like cooking is so. And look, I love food, but it's so mundane. All the cooking shows got to time it, right? Like they're like, you got to do this in under 30 minutes. And it's like, no, you don't just cook it in as much time as it takes to cook. But there's no steak. So they're like, it's got only got five ingredients.

[Alex]

You got to make something they got.

[Miles]

To create steaks for, right? Because I think humans react to steaks. It's like, we love boxing or MMA because we know it's the highest stakes. You can die in there.

[Mark]

You never watch the Humans are awesome compilations on YouTube. You never seen this dude. It's the greatest.

[Miles]

What are you saying?

[Mark]

This is I. They go viral every year, but it's just white dudes doing white people. And the whole title just humans are awesome. And it's guys just jumping off clips like cliffs and squirrel suits and see.

[Akash]

White people do white people.

[Miles]

I mean, there, there are some versions that like, you saw the one, we probably even watched it on the. On the pod where, like where the guy is in the squirrel suit and.

[Akash]

Oh, and he flies through the rock.

[Alex]

Crazy. That was crazy.

[Mark]

That doesn't get you fired up that you don't see.

[Miles]

Hell yeah. I go, that's. That's too. That one.

[Akash]

It looked cool at it because it looks fun. But also it's like if you only pay attention for when they do these life risking stuff. Now we're encouraging them to do the life risking stuff.

[Miles]

We got a population we don't see.

[Mark]

When they die, bro.

[Akash]

He's bad people dying, trying to impress you.

[Mark]

He does this alone. He's been climbing for years by himself.

[Miles]

Let me tell you something.

[Akash]

This is how difficult it is getting paid now.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Miles]

He's making money. But this is how hard it is to have two kids. Is that. That is his just time away, you know what I mean? Like, like he goes, it was so funny cuz everybody without kids kept going like he has a wife and kids. Why is he doing it? And like once you have kids, you're like, nah, you know, I get it. You want a few minutes just by yourself when he's on the top and no one can talk to him. Also, he's capping throughout the whole thing.

[Akash]

He's going through it with the newborn, right?

[Miles]

Throughout the whole thing, he goes, yeah, I think my headset's broken. I can't really hear you. Guys, guys. All right.

[Mark]

Yeah, I pulled that.

[Miles]

He can hear y'.

[Akash]

All.

[Mark]

I've done that.

[Miles]

You know what I mean? He just needs some time by himself so he can enjoy this. This beautiful climb.

[Alex]

Yeah, this guy's a horse dude.

[David]

You've heard of Pro Life Spider Man?

[Miles]

No, what is that?

[Mark]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

Pro Life Spider man is a kid who's in his, like, early 20s. He's like a very sweet looking kid. And he free solos buildings all over the world. And in New York City, he did some crazy ones here without the fanfare of, like, Netflix. And he films himself the whole time, like, repeating, I think, Bible verses and also talking about the fact that abortion's bad. And then he always gets arrested at the top and then hopes that the news will cover it and ask for his statement. And the statement is that abortion, Abortion is bad.

[Miles]

There's another guy named Alain Route. Robert.

[Mark]

Robert, yeah. French Spider Man.

[Miles]

French Spider Man. And he's. He's just. He looks like he's a hundred years old. No.

[Mark]

And he's been doing this since like the 70s, forever.

[Miles]

He climbs buildings. Like, that's his thing. No ropes, free solo. I don't even think they have a spectacle around him.

[Akash]

So this guy ain't even doing nothing new.

[Alex]

Fuck.

[Miles]

We tuning in for.

[Mark]

The Thing. That's new. The thing that's interesting is that it is live streamed.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah, we never seen that.

[Alex]

This guy.

[Akash]

So you just want to see him die on the spot.

[Alex]

Why?

[Miles]

We watch people go in circles in nascar.

[Akash]

That's what I'm saying.

[Miles]

That's how you prove my point. Y' all love this shit.

[Akash]

All right, so what is potentially see somebody die?

[Miles]

So what is the. I mean, the joke is obviously like, it's so dangerous being black that this is not what you guys do for fun like this. I've heard versions of this joke where it's like, white people, it's so safe that we gotta find death for fun. Yeah, but, like, what is the thing that you're like, okay, I gotta try that shit.

[Akash]

I don't try anything that I can die now. I used to, back in the day, like, what.

[Miles]

What would be skydiving? Bungee jumping?

[Akash]

Skydiving. Bungee jumping.

[Miles]

How do you get it?

[Akash]

Yeah, but that's when I started hanging out with y'.

[Alex]

All.

[Miles]

You didn't skydive until you hanging out with me?

[Akash]

Nah, I did it once before, but it was with me, a white dude.

[Miles]

There you go. Yeah, I don't think there's that Many skydiving instructors that aren't white.

[Akash]

No, I mean, the guy I went with, like, it was a group of us, and I was still one black guy.

[Miles]

If you saw a black skydive instructor, what would you. What would your interaction be?

[Akash]

Just as qualified. All right.

[Mark]

I would say more qualified.

[Alex]

Jump on the plane.

[Miles]

Yo. That is. That is interesting. Like, this mother. Not as he is qualified, but, like, if you saw. Saw him, would you. Would you be like, what brought you here? Like, would you have a moment where you gotta pull him aside and be like, how did you end up.

[Akash]

I would just think he grew up in the burbs.

[Miles]

That's it.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

You're like, you grew up with white people and you don't know how crazy this is.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Miles]

And what if he's like, nah, bro, I'm from the hood. Like, I just love skydiving.

[Alex]

It was this or drug dealing.

[Miles]

That's how you got out.

[Akash]

Hey, sling some rocks, bro.

[Mark]

Climb some rocks. That's what it's all about. Telling you. There's a. There's another dude. Oh, what's his name? I can't remember his name. Caveman something. But he's a black dude that goes and, like, interacts with the wild animals and like, he, like, goes and finds anacondas, like, in the Amazon.

[Miles]

Not real Tarzan, maybe. Maybe. I, I, I can't remember.

[Alex]

Remember brother Nature? What happened to that kid?

[Miles]

Yeah, I remember him with the deer.

[Mark]

Canela.

[Miles]

The deer is named Canela.

[Mark]

Adorable.

[Alex]

What happened? I missed something.

[Miles]

I don't know if you guys want.

[David]

To watch another great thing that sort of feels like this man on wire is.

[Alex]

I heard about this movie, great doc.

[David]

From, like, late 2000s.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[David]

Where a French guy, I think, put a wire across the twin towers and walked it and, like, laid down and did some wild.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Wow.

[Mark]

You ever seen the Alpinist documentary?

[Miles]

That is insane.

[Mark]

Yeah, that one's wild. You gotta check that one out.

[Miles]

Insane.

[Mark]

The album is. I think it's French Canadian.

[Miles]

That is insane.

[Mark]

He would do free solo ice climbing. Whoa. And. Which is, like, the most dangerous climbing.

[Miles]

I don't want to spoil it. But he dies.

[Alex]

Really?

[Mark]

Go.

[Akash]

There you go.

[Alex]

That's crazy.

[Mark]

But he doesn't do it for the dock. It's a.

[Miles]

What's his name? Mark Andre Leclerc.

[Alex]

Leclerc was a Canadian rock climber.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

That's sad. Yeah, he. That been so cool if he lived.

[Mark]

But he did live for a while, and then he died doing what he loved.

[Alex]

He died.

[Miles]

All right, here's the One that I. Where I start to where what you're saying resonates. Okay, ready? I think it's called sper.

[Mark]

Oh yeah, what's that?

[Akash]

What's that? What's that?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

This is crazy.

[Miles]

I don't like this.

[David]

Exploring caves. Oh, Schultz, have you seen the Nutty Nutty Putty?

[Alex]

Son, I'm too claustrophobic for this.

[Akash]

That.

[Alex]

That terrifies me.

[Miles]

Son. Sometimes they're going into these cave systems. I don't understand what they get out of it. I don't understand why they do it. I have no, I have no understanding whatsoever what compels them to go. Look, it's not like, oh my God, here's this beautiful view. Like maybe at the end you get to some cave where there's this underground beautiful site and you get to, to see just boogers hanging from the ceiling. Like there's nothing. To me, there's nothing exciting or beautiful. When you're at the top of that building or top of the mountain, you're looking the entire world as far as the horizon can see. I get that. That is appealing. At least you go to the top of the World Trade center or you go to top Empire State Building, you look out, you're like, whoa, this is an amazing view. So I at least get that a little bit. This shift right here. I don't understand why they do it. And sometimes they're going in these cave systems. Look at that. Sometimes they don't know where the cave systems go.

[Alex]

What the fuck is happening?

[Miles]

Son? They got to take off the helmet to get through and they, they can't get out. And sometimes they just die there.

[David]

Sometimes they gotta hold their breath to go under the water to come up the other side. There's some wild.

[Miles]

Yeah. Sometimes they just get stuck and it rains and now they're stuck in the cave and they drown in the cave. Cuz they didn't expect the rain. Yeah.

[Akash]

So when all them little kids went missing, they were just flunking.

[Miles]

They were. And. And it rained and it flooded the, the, the, the cave system.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Miles]

This is like, wow. This is like how you feel about him climbing is.

[Alex]

I don't like this. I can't even look at it, dude. It makes me uncomfortable.

[David]

There's one called the Nutty Putty Cave Incident. It's a really sad story.

[Miles]

It's really what happened.

[David]

You'll watch these videos where they describe what happened. And there's like, there's no video of it. It's just diagrams. It makes my chest.

[Mark]

Yeah, the Nutty Poy One is tragic, tragic. It stresses me.

[Miles]

Well, bring it up, guys.

[Mark]

There's no video. It's only an analysis and then a diagram.

[David]

There's a guy named John Jones, and he is in the Nutty Putty Cave. I think it's in Utah. Going deeper and deeper, thinking that he's going to, like, find either a way out or a place to turn around. He ends up getting so deep in there, he's sort of lodged upside down.

[Miles]

There's the image right there.

[David]

And his other buddy, he goes, dude, I'm stuck. I can't get out his legs. They have to, like, he's so stuck. So his buddy crawls back out and then goes to get help. And it takes hours to get help. And the people come in and he's been stuck upside down the whole time. And they start to try to figure out how to get him out there. They have rescuers, they put this crazy pulley system, and they're like, dude, we might have to break his legs the wrong way to pull him out. All of this awful, awful stuff. And the video will explain it way better. They finally get it attached to his legs, if I'm not mistaken, and they start to get a little bit of movement with them, and it's like. Like it's a wire attached to a thing. Attached to a thing, attached to a thing.

[Alex]

Still alive.

[David]

Still alive.

[Mark]

And he's on comm so he can talk to them.

[David]

Yeah, they get a walkie talkie down there to him so we can talk. They start to. They start to get him out. They start to get him out, and they. All the things break from the holds they were in, and he falls back deeper into it.

[Akash]

Nope.

[David]

They get him a phone, and they drop the phone down there, and he, like, slowly falls in and out of consciousness, tells his wife he's loves him, and he dies. And they seal the cave.

[Akash]

Wait, but why did he die? From what?

[David]

His head's upside down. Cold exposure. He's down there for like, 24, 48 hours. He's freezing. It's like. Can't breathe slowly. Like the blood is filling up in your head and lungs.

[Akash]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

That is crazy. Sorry to bring the mood down, but I watched that video, and straight up, like, that is sweaty palms. Yuck.

[Miles]

Yeah, I don't. I don't support that activity at all. We should make that illegal immediately. What is the benefit of that? What?

[Alex]

I guess you're. You're so tight, you can't even, like, move your arms to. When you're falling back down. Stop. Because you're stuck like this and you can't even move your foot. Because I was like, well, I need to stop himself. But you can't.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Cuz you're like this, trapped.

[Akash]

Why need back in if you don't know where that, like, where it's going to end, if there's even an end. Why didn't you back in?

[Alex]

Cuz I guess you need to see where you're going feet. I don't know.

[Miles]

I don't know.

[Mark]

Yeah, this one's stressing me out.

[Alex]

I hate this.

[Akash]

But how is this. The guy's climbing the side of a building, there's only two things going to happen. He makes the toggle, dies. And this stresses you out?

[David]

Both stress me out.

[Mark]

That one is stressed me out. But it's not as crazy, though.

[Alex]

My biggest fear is being buried alive. It's like my greatest fear in the world. Really? Yeah.

[Miles]

And. And how does that, like, manifest itself?

[Alex]

It's not like my actual fear, but like, if you think about what's the worst way to die, I'm claustrophobic. That scene in Kill Bill is like, I just die. I would just give up.

[Miles]

Yeah. When you watch the Mr. Beast thing where he's buried alive.

[Alex]

Watch it. Can't even watch it.

[Miles]

Wow.

[David]

David Blaine did it.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Nope.

[Miles]

Yeah, I hear you on that, dude. That is just.

[Mark]

But like, do you think backflipping is cool?

[Akash]

Yeah, it looks cool.

[Mark]

It's cool. Yeah, it's cool because it's hard to do. Like most people can't. And it's a little dangerous.

[Akash]

Yes, A little dangerous. Yes.

[Mark]

But if you can pull it off. And sick.

[Akash]

Yes.

[Mark]

This is just that times a bajillion nah.

[Akash]

But this is like death or you succeed.

[Mark]

That's a backflip. You get hurt or you do a backflip.

[Akash]

Yeah, but blackflip people aren't dying doing backflips.

[Mark]

But if you want to be more hardcore, you just stretch.

[Akash]

That's what I'm saying. You guys need to be more hardcore.

[Miles]

Why do we feel that need?

[Akash]

I don't get the people that jump.

[Miles]

From building to building. I watch that on Instagram all the time. I don't understand what they do. I saw a guy jump from a building onto a light pole and slide down.

[David]

I hate watching you like, like those, don't you?

[Miles]

I don't think I like it.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Miles]

I just think I can't look away.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I think watching humans do incredible things is cool. Football is cool because it's human beings doing incredible things. Basketball is Cool. Because it's human beings doing the free throw line.

[Akash]

Honestly, I feel this is a cultural thing. Like, I think you grew up seeing all the extreme stuff and then it.

[Miles]

Like we're desensitized to it. Yes. And we need a little bit more. It's watching porn. Yeah. It's like you're just watching regular fucking. And that's funny. And like. And you grew up culturally not watching these things.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Miles]

So when you see somebody, like, do a kickflip, you're like, what the. We need to see somebody climb a building.

[Akash]

That's why we're blown away by magic.

[Miles]

That's the wildest. I think it's cuz y' all believe it a little bit. I do think y' all believe it a little bit. A little.

[Akash]

I think we are very, like, spiritual. And it's like, nah, that may be the devil's work right there, so stay away from us.

[Miles]

That's what I'm saying, What he said. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

All right, you, that's granted. Ask your Caribbean person about like, like spells, and they'd be like, no, I don't with that.

[Akash]

Yeah, we don't.

[Miles]

So my, my, my nanny won't read Harry Potter Halloween books.

[Mark]

Wait, what?

[Miles]

Spot Spot has a Halloween party. It was around Halloween, and I was like, oh, yeah, Shiloh really likes this book. And she's like, oh, okay, that's great. And I was like, do you want to maybe, you know, give it a check? And she's like, I'll let you read that one. And I was like, are you not into this? She's like, no, no, no. Nothing with the demons. I know. I go, what about Harry Potter? Yeah. She's like, of course not. I don't. And then I was like, no, but I mean, I don't want to, you know, impose my cultural values on you at all. But, like, it's just like, for fun, whatever. She said something like, the devil's always fun. She said something like, there's a specific bar. What is the word?

[Mark]

Like, the devil's not a guy with horns and a pitchfork. He comes to you as everything you always wanted.

[Miles]

Exactly. Something like that. She said something. I was like, that was wild.

[Mark]

Kids that don't get get you.

[Miles]

I mean, it's easy for me to.

[Mark]

Make fun of because I'm like, oh, honestly, Halloween book. But also, I would never do a Ouija board.

[Miles]

Oh, I, I, I don't with that either. I'll with that. I don't with that.

[Mark]

Yeah, I wouldn't do a Ouija board.

[Miles]

Son, I don't.

[Mark]

Yeah. I've never seen a ghost or nothing like that but I wouldn't, I just would.

[Alex]

Why? It was like a thing.

[Akash]

What?

[Mark]

The way that you feel about it.

[Miles]

Climbing the building.

[Mark]

That's how I feel about a Ouija board.

[Miles]

We're walking down the street cuz Mark was dealing with this like existential threat of, of. Of. What is it? What is the word? What? When we were walking to Wolf Gangs.

[Mark]

Paranoia.

[Miles]

Yeah. He was dealing with this existential type of like paranoia. He's like do you ever get paranoid? Is that like something that affects you at all? And I'm like nah, I don't. Not really. I don't really get paranoid. Paranoid about what?

[Mark]

I wasn't dealing with it, I just brought it up. Yeah.

[Miles]

As I'm saying that I veer off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic. Right as I'm going I don't really. It's just not something I even think about. And then Mark just starts laughing and he goes what are you doing? And I go bro, there's a ladder right there. I'm not going to walk under a ladder.

[Mark]

Avoids the whole ladder onto the street.

[Miles]

I take oncoming Toyotas over a ladder.

[Mark]

And I followed him.

[Miles]

Because I'm not.

[Mark]

Going to be the dumbass to be.

[Miles]

Like well I'll go through the ladder. Like all right.

[Mark]

He knows some I don't know so I'm going to go around it.

[Alex]

Also when we were kids, 90s sitcoms always had a Ouija board episode where some they with the Ouija board and something bad happened and every time I was like why would you ever.

[Miles]

What's the point? That's my ladder. Shit. It's so easy to walk around the ladder traffic with cosmic karma.

[Akash]

I still don't step on cracks cuz I don't want to hurt my mom.

[Miles]

If you step on a crack you.

[Akash]

Break your mom's back.

[Miles]

That's what they say.

[Akash]

And I still avoid cracks to this day.

[David]

Damn funny.

[Akash]

I have to change the pace of my wall.

[Mark]

Really? You actually.

[Akash]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Swear to God. You don't want to crack her back.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

What?

[Akash]

Relax.

[Miles]

My mom watch. Relax.

[Mark]

Wait, why? I don't want anyone's back to get hurt.

[Akash]

My mom was telling me she don't.

[Miles]

Respect the all due respect.

[Akash]

I just letting you know the next time she sees you she going to have some words.

[Miles]

Ms. Media. Yes, Ms. Media. I love you Ms. Mrs. Media. You know I love you. It's with all due respect I feel.

[Alex]

I've only said kind things.

[Miles]

All right.

[Akash]

Let's just stop.

[Miles]

Mark was talking about getting your back crack, and I feel like, with all due respect, that is a violation.

[Mark]

Don't step on cracks. That's our whole thing, right?

[Akash]

We don't step on cracks.

[Miles]

Yeah, but you immediately jump to her back in a crack, which I think is not, with all due respect, conversation.

[Mark]

Yeah, I don't want her vertebraes. Get up.

[Miles]

From what? Slipping on some dick with this guy? This has been an episode. Close your eyes. Exhale. Feel your body relax. And let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[Alex]

Well, I'm letting go of the worry.

[Miles]

That I wouldn't get my new contacts.

[Alex]

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[Miles]

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[Miles]

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[Miles]

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[Alex]

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