New Epstein Files Get Even Worse, & Bad Bunny Super Bowl Reaction | Flagrant 691

Summary

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Flagrant 691 | New Epstein Files Get Even Worse & Bad Bunny Super Bowl Reaction

Podcast: Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Date: February 11, 2026
Episodes Guests: AlexxMedia, Mark Gagnon, Joey, Miles

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Episode Overview

This episode of Flagrant mostly dives into two topics: the explosive reactions to Bad Bunny’s historic Super Bowl Halftime show and the increasingly disturbing revelations from the newest Epstein files. The Flagrant crew brings their rowdy, irreverent take to both, weaving in satire, mockery, outrage, and conspiracy speculation. The discussion alternates between comedic banter and serious social commentary, shining light on the absurd and sinister aspects of pop culture and elite corruption—always with a heavy dose of Flagrancy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl Halftime: Culture Clash & Criticism

(00:00–14:00)

• Bad Bunny’s Dominance:
  • Alex claims he knew Bad Bunny would “conquer the Super Bowl” and calls it “one of the greatest performances of all time.”
    • "I said the biggest artist in the world and he would conquer the Super Bowl. 100% conquer. Let's go." (Alex, 00:13)
• Controversy Over Latina Representation:
  • Crew jokes about “thick Latinas shaking ass on TV” and how halftime’s increasing Latin vibes are "un-American."
  • Satire of complaints: only “liberals like fine ass kids shaking ass” (mock outrage at performative culture wars).
• Tokenism & Whitewashing:
  • Lady Gaga's appearance is criticized as the Super Bowl “throwing a bone” to white audiences.
  • “They gave us Benito, then they tried to throw you… a white person to do Bruno Mars.” (Mark, 02:23)
• Political Subtext:
  • Complaints about everything (even halftime) being “too political” or “cultural Marxism.”
    • “This is what Jordan Peterson warned us about.” (Mark, 06:16)
  • Satirical take on white beauty standards and joking about GLP-1 weight loss drugs threatening Latinidad.

2. Right-Wing Outrage & Bad Bunny Backlash

(09:12–13:31)

• Trump’s Scheduled Post:
  • Trump’s response to the show is dissected:
    • “Worst halftime show ever. Nose creativity. This sucked. Also, we do need to fix the NFL kickoff rule. It's crazy. Make America great again.” (Mark, 09:12)
  • The crew suspects performative outrage and scheduled posts, not actual criticism.
• Jake Paul’s Anti-Bad Bunny Stance:
  • Jake Paul called Bad Bunny a “fake American citizen,” revealing ignorance about Puerto Ricans' US citizenship, then claimed he was “hacked.”
  • “I think there’s a lot of dumb Americans that think Puerto Ricans aren’t U.S. citizens.” (Joey, 13:31)

3. The Epstein Files: Unpacking Elite Corruption

The remainder of the episode (14:00–end) is a wild, sometimes dark, and deeply skeptical journey through the latest Epstein file leaks:

a) Searching for Names and Personal Distance

• Hosts admit to searching their own names in the files and joke about incriminating results.
• Jokes about the universality of powerful people being connected.

b) The Conspiracy Web and Systemic Rot

• No One is Safe:
  • “How do you actually even untangle the web of debauchery and criminality that's connected with all the most elite institutions and people around the world?” (Mark, 22:07)
• Partial Transparency:
  • Only half of the estimated 6 million files have been released. Conjecture on redactions, “sacrificial lambs” (Gates, Trump, Clinton), while real puppetmasters remain unnamed.

Memorable Quote:

"It's insane. My mom was right the whole time. That elite satanic pedophiles are running the government." (Mark, 22:43)

c) The Bill Gates Emails: Blackmail & Espionage

• Wild rumor discussed: Gates sought antibiotics to surreptitiously dose Melinda after he contracted an STD from Russian sex workers, asking Epstein for help.
• Epstein as Fixer/Blackmailer:
  • “It feels like he’s trying to extort Bill Gates... validates what a lot of people feel about this guy being, you know, some type of espionage spy blackmailing the operator.” (Mark, 32:00)
• Integration with global intelligence, money laundering, and powerful networks.
• Recurring speculation: Were Epstein’s financial/criminal skills “groomed” for use by intelligence agencies and global elites?

d) The Infrastructure that Protects Elites

• Satire about asset forfeiture, immunity deals, redactions, and the possible refusal to ever fully “release all the files” given the scale of societal fallout.
• Theorizing about why some names remain protected; fears the scope is “too big to fail.”
• Discussion extends to the likelihood of mass institutional coverup:
  • “You have to tear down the system.” (Mark, 80:56)
  • “Everyone's more interested in protecting their own than justice.” (Alex, 136:32)

e) Blackmail, Intel, and Lifeboats for the Rich

• Money laundering through digital economies (e.g., rumors about Fortnite, WoW as new laundering tools).
• Conspicuous Absence of Entertainers & Athletes:
  • “The real elite don’t see actors and athletes as actual elites. They see them as toys. They don’t actually respect them. They wanted his connectivity.” (Alex, 83:25)
• Satanic Rituals – Theater or Real?:
  • Discussion around whether alleged rituals are for blackmail, theater, or real "sacrifice" (high skepticism; “poison the well”).
• Victim Silence & Legal Coercion:
  • Systemic obstacles to victims speaking out: NDAs, trauma, lack of recognition of perpetrators, social and legal sabotage.

Notable Quote:

“The fact that this exists at all, I don’t think is an aberration from the system… This is a feature of it. It’s not a bug.” (Mark, 80:46)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You brought up a great point. If you like thick Latina shaking ass on TV, you’re a lit.” (Mark, 01:19)
• “They gave us Benito, then they tried to throw you… that’s what I said.” (Mark, 02:23)
• “The Super Bowl is just too political now… Why can’t I just watch football?” (Joey, 06:41)
• “We need to make GLP-1s illegal… to conform to white beauty standards. Which is not what we want as proud… you know, Rasa.” (Mark, 07:14)
• “If you’re more interested in keeping the system than justice, then what the hell are we doing here anyway?” (Alex, 136:32)
• “You look at these emails, everyone was kind of connected... they’ve only released half, and it’s enough to incriminate everyone.” (Mark, 23:01)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Topic | Segment Duration | Key Timestamps (MM:SS) | |-----------------------------|---------------------|-------------------------------------| | Bad Bunny Super Bowl Debate | 00:00 – 14:00 | 00:00, 02:23, 12:55 | | Trump/Jake Paul Reaction | 09:12 – 15:44 | 09:12, 13:31 | | Epstein Files Overview | 14:00 – 23:00 | 14:00, 22:07, 22:43 | | Bill Gates Blackmail | 30:00 – 36:15 | 32:00, 36:02 | | Redaction, Cover-Up | 24:00 – 80:00 | 26:32, 31:53, 80:56 | | Money Laundering Speculation | 66:00 – 69:56 | 66:06 (Fortnite/WoW) | | Systemic Impunity/Ending | 80:00 – 136:00 | 80:45, 83:25, 136:32 |

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Tone & Delivery

The entire episode is infused with sarcasm, satire, and irreverence—even (especially) when discussing extremely dark material. The crew self-mocks, overstates for effect, and refuses to take elite narratives at face value. This creates a conversational pendulum between laughter, outrage, and "podcast detective" sleuthing.

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Useful Takeaways for Listeners

• Pop culture and political spectacle serve as cover (and sometimes distraction) from real issues of corruption and perversion at the highest levels.
• Elites protect each other’s secrets: Many sacrificial lambs may fall, but the true power brokers—some with mind-boggling leverage—are likely to remain untouchable, unless social systems themselves are reformed or torn down.
• Conspiracy and reality have merged: The most outlandish social media rumors about elite sex rings and blackmail have been supported by leaked records and congressional statements, creating a level of cynical consensus rivaling satire.
• Reform is unlikely: Systemic inertia, legal maneuvering, and public indifference mean the odds are stacked against justice for powerful criminals.

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Final Thoughts

Flagrant 691 is a signature blend of bawdy and brutal: it’s comedy, but dares the listener to flinch at facts hiding in the punchlines. The hosts—both disgusted and morbidly amused—interrogate elite corruption, revealing not only hypocrisy in high places but a society resigned to laugh at its own helplessness.

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Next Week Preview:
The crew promises a "real deep dive" with an expert to break down the Epstein files in detail—"really get to the bottom of it."

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For further reactions or ideas raised in this episode, check Flagrant’s Patreon and social platforms for bonus discussion and updates on the Epstein saga and ongoing cultural flashpoints.

Transcript

[Alex]

What's up, everybody? Welcome to Flagrance. Your boy, Schultze. Alex Media. Marky gags in the building. What's up? Shout out.

[Mark]

Bad bunny.

[Alex]

He did it. I told y'. All. I told y'. All. Oh, yeah, I told y'. All.

[Joey]

You didn't tell us.

[Alex]

Did I not? You did. I said the biggest artist in the world and he would conquer the Super Bowl. 100% conquer. Let's go.

[Mark]

You were talking crazy. On my mans. On me and Al's mans. Right? On our hands. On our. On our. On our Latino man. Yeah.

[Alex]

I said that this would be probably one of the greatest super bowl performances of all.

[Joey]

Wait, really?

[Alex]

I think so.

[Mark]

I don't think.

[Alex]

I don't think.

[Joey]

Thanks to him, he kicked him out of Williamsburg so now he could perform.

[Mark]

That is true.

[Alex]

That.

[Mark]

That spot right there, by the way, that's a block from my house. Really? The. The Caribbean Social Club. Yeah.

[Joey]

She's holding off a dear life.

[Alex]

Dear life?

[Mark]

What do you mean, bro? She's in the Super Bowl.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah, but they don't pay them. They don't pay. Pepsi's not giving her any money. Pepsi's only paying Theo Vaughn. Giving no money to this poor woman.

[Mark]

What's her name? Tonita. Is that it? Yeah, yeah. My neighbor.

[Alex]

Stop of the show.

[Mark]

I know we know this. Right now.

[Joey]

Please.

[Alex]

You're not.

[Mark]

You're not about this.

[Alex]

You brought up a great point.

[Mark]

You're not about the Puerto Rican.

[Alex]

Really good point.

[Mark]

If you like thick Latina shaking ass on tv, you're a lit. You're a big time mama.

[Alex]

You lit the chair makes you do that. Hold on, hold on. Chair. Hold on. Now I get it. What the heck happen? Search Al's name in the file. Search Al.

[Joey]

I'm just giving you a little better.

[Alex]

All those girls, that's their idea. Al.

[Joey]

N. That's grown woman.

[Alex]

Nobody's ever said that. No one's ever said that. Coming back from the Virgin Islands.

[Mark]

If you like these thick Latinas, you're live. Dude. That's. You're a socialist. You're a Marxist. You're. You're a mental.

[Alex]

You're a traitor.

[Mark]

You're a vampire.

[Alex]

You are a traitor. You're a vampire. You are a vampire.

[Joey]

Vampire. D. All the above.

[Mark]

Yo.

[Alex]

Can we just be honest? Like, did they need. And. And I. Lady Gaga shouts to you. Unnecessary.

[Mark]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Alex]

Un. If it felt like. It felt like they were trying to throw the white something.

[Mark]

They were exactly. They were trying to throw something for you. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah, they. They gave us bonito. They gave us bonito. Then they tried to throw you. That's what I said.

[Alex]

Even know how to say it.

[Joey]

Benito. But you say with a V. Isn't it bendito. No, it's Benito.

[Alex]

Look at that idiot.

[Mark]

You're gonna let him do this to our culture, bro?

[Alex]

You're really gonna let him do this to our culture? Look at that. I can't wait for this one.

[Mark]

You said what is it, Benito?

[Alex]

Yeah, it. How you try to cont. Okay, we need. Luke. Need.

[Mark]

We need kids.

[Alex]

G. Brooks.

[Mark]

We need a.

[Alex]

When is the so roll going to be American again?

[Joey]

We need a party in this. That's what we need.

[Alex]

Quinn it with these fine ass Latinas. Shaking ass.

[Mark]

Yeah. That is extremely uncomfortable and un American lived up. Un American.

[Alex]

You are so right about it, though.

[Mark]

Come on.

[Alex]

Why do only liberals like fine ass kids shaking ass? Jesus is idiot. I thought you were a idiot. And let me just be. Hon, you thought you were one for about three seconds. Oh, no, no, I can't. Is there a deal I forgot about? I can't let my people die right now. I got nervous. I was nervous. I was nervous.

[Mark]

Mental retard.

[Alex]

Oh, yeah. But like, did we need Lady Gaga or were they just throwing a bone to the.

[Mark]

No, they're trying to throw a bone to the whites. It is white because they had Lady.

[Alex]

Gaga singing a Bruno Mars song, which is also confusing. But he is Puerto Rican.

[Mark]

Yes, but it's like, okay, we're gonna. We can't get Bruno Mars because it's gonna be too. We need a white person to do Bruno Mars.

[Alex]

Oh, that was a Bruno.

[Joey]

I thought it was her song.

[Mark]

That's what I thought. I mean, I might be Bruno Mars song. I might be off the fan, but I don't know. Someone check.

[Alex]

What was the song? See, we don't even know the words of that one. Stop acting like you know any of the words to any of the songs.

[Joey]

But he took one of his lyrics and said, oh, is this what you really want? And then cut it off. And then that's why you got a white girl performing. So in Spanish, he says, is this what you. I think, is this what America really wants? And then cuts to her.

[Alex]

How do you say it in Spanish?

[Joey]

I mean, let's just party, guys.

[Mark]

Come on. Come on.

[Alex]

Oh, I'm bailing myself out of everything today.

[Mark]

Got it. Yeah, let's go.

[Alex]

Party time.

[Mark]

Bernie Mack himself out of a bomb.

[Alex]

I ain't scared of you. Kick it, kick it.

[Mark]

How did you stand For a music cue that wasn't there.

[Alex]

They lay, man.

[Joey]

Come on, Joe.

[Alex]

All right, so wait, what's the. What's the logic with Lady Gaga? What's the lie is do they sit down with Jay Z and be like, yo, this is. It's been like six years without a white?

[Mark]

Yeah, I think so.

[Alex]

We need to give them something.

[Mark]

The last white was Eminem, I think. Didn't he do it with 50? Oh, yeah, yeah, that was the last one.

[Alex]

He's passing.

[Mark]

But what they. What? J.D.

[Alex]

He'S white passing. Eminem is white passing.

[Mark]

So is Lady Gaga this dallian?

[Alex]

I know, dude, you really didn't want to live this. Singing a Puerto Rican song on America's biggest stage.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Alex]

Come on, dude.

[Joey]

Oh, this was wonderful. This was wonderful.

[Alex]

Why don't we just embrace this part of Americana? Why? We too love big booty Latinas. We too love pure vibes. We too love dancing.

[Mark]

Amen.

[Alex]

We too love some chupitos from the abuela. This is what we love. Okay? This for example, right here. This we do not want to see. Right?

[Mark]

This is socialist for your. This is cultural Marxism. This is what Jordan Peterson warned us about.

[Joey]

This could literally be mad at this stuff.

[Alex]

No, but that's what we're discussing right now. Like when you look at these fine ass Latinas shaking it and you enjoy.

[Mark]

It, it's just too political. That's my issue. You get these fat ass Latinas shaking ass, making twerk wind go through the grass on the field and it's like, it's just so political.

[Alex]

Why does everything have to be politics?

[Joey]

Exactly.

[Alex]

Dude, why can't I just watch football?

[Mark]

Exactly. We don't get these hot Latinos shaking.

[Alex]

Ye that we want. Well, white chicks with no ass and zero tits with pom poms. That's not political.

[Mark]

That's not divisive.

[Alex]

Bad Latin. No, sorry. Look at that. Oh, come on now. Don't you hate America? Yeah. Don't you hate America and our decisions?

[Joey]

I hate it a lot.

[Mark]

Yeah, dude.

[Alex]

All right, all right. He throwing. He throwing. Yeah, that got him going. He's throwing it.

[Mark]

See, this is. We need to make GLP1s illegal.

[Alex]

Wait, why is that?

[Mark]

Because you got girls with thick Latina ass trying to get on a GLP one gonna ruin it.

[Alex]

For what?

[Mark]

To confine to white beauty standards. To get to white beauty standards kind of talking. Which is not what we want as proud. You know Rasa, right? We don't.

[Alex]

No.

[Mark]

Is that Mexican? You get what I'm saying?

[Alex]

They're not all the same. Discriminate. Who does this lawn? That's the reality. Okay, but why can't I get these.

[Mark]

People to do my lawn? Because they.

[Alex]

Well, in New York, we don't have lawns.

[Mark]

But they cleared out that grass so quick, though. Did you even see it?

[Alex]

Why did they make them do landscaping? I think that is a little bit. I think that is a little bit racist. And maybe that was throwing a bone to the whites. Maybe that was goodell being like, listen, if you're gonna have Latinos out there, at least make a move around some grass.

[Joey]

It's all white people in the. In the grass.

[Alex]

No.

[Mark]

Is it really?

[Joey]

There's nothing but whites in the grass. No.

[Alex]

You know how I knew that? The sway was a little off the way. Right. It didn't have, like, a nice little salsa bachata to it.

[Joey]

Every once in a while, white just.

[Alex]

Peeks into a little face out, like they're taking over. But this was good.

[Mark]

No, it was awesome. And he gave a shout out to my people at the very end.

[Alex]

Oh, now you Canadian.

[Mark]

They did. I'm just saying. What?

[Alex]

He questioned the question. Did. And did you guys. Did you guys put up anything on Cowshi for Trump? Just drone hooking him off. I didn't even know that was up on Kelsey. There was a part of me thought, like, in the middle of this performance, he's gonna jump out of something before his feet even reach the platform. He was just gonna get, like, claw machine. Claw machines right out of there.

[Joey]

Yeah, yeah, if I saw that one, I'll go. I would have been.

[Alex]

Okay, fair enough. Those are things.

[Mark]

Well, some people are saying that Trump's response was scheduled because look at the time that it came out. 8:00pm Central Time. It came out at 9:00pm Eastern Standard.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Mark]

But it basically says, worst halftime show ever. Nose creativity. This sucked. Also, we do need to fix the NFL kickoff rule. It's crazy. Make America great again. And people are like, oh, this was a vague scheduled post that someone made.

[Alex]

Hold on one second.

[Joey]

What time was the performance? Like, was this after the.

[Mark]

Oh, no, it did come out after the performance, but it was scheduled at exactly 9:00'.

[Alex]

Clock.

[Mark]

They're like, oh, yeah, it'll be done, and we'll just schedule it for the hour.

[Joey]

Got it. Okay.

[Alex]

We're supposed to sit here and believe that Trump doesn't enjoy watching some girls from the island twerk? Is that what you were supposed to believe?

[Mark]

Never did.

[Alex]

There's no way. Right.

[Mark]

These girls are the wrong migrants. All right? They need to be Eastern European on a private Jet.

[Alex]

But are you alleging or some people online alleging that he already had a response baked up prior to the performance? You're saying that he didn't watch the performance objectively and then react.

[Mark]

Well, it's funny is I think he did actually watch performance that people are calling Trump a traitor because he was apparently watching. He didn't put on the Turning Point USA One. I just saw that on Twitter. That might be not true.

[Alex]

Did you guys watch the Turning Point USA One?

[Mark]

Yes, of course.

[Joey]

Man.

[Mark]

That she was gas.

[Joey]

I saw, you know, white speaking English, you know, Bob with the bottom bang.

[Mark]

The bang.

[Alex]

I was on stage last night that was the same joke. It's like I turned.

[Mark]

I was like.

[Alex]

I was. Listen to the one in Spanish. And I was like, I don't understand any of this. And I turned to the Turning Point USA and it was just bomb. I was like, nobody's speaking English in America.

[Mark]

But that's the thing that. That's so annoying. People are like, dude, I don't even understand the lyrics. I've never understood the super bowl halftime show lyrics.

[Alex]

Never.

[Mark]

Like, do you know the lyrics? Like, Shakira did a Super. Super bowl halftime show. What is the rest of it?

[Alex]

I don't like how you actually tried to sing. I don't like. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. When I don't sing. Hold on. Talk it now. You're going back to Canada.

[Mark]

Canada. We say Canada.

[Alex]

You made an effort to sound.

[Mark]

I'm sorry. Okay? I'm sorry that God created me with these unbelievable pipes, dude. And I just know how to sing.

[Joey]

No.

[Mark]

Also, I do have an ear came out. I haven't. I have an ear clogged right now. So I was even maybe a little off pitch. But all that to say Shakira does his halftime show. No one knows what she's saying. Lady Gaga saying in English. I don't even know what song it was.

[Joey]

I mean, he got a little bit of a point, but I don't know the lyrics, bro.

[Mark]

Like, I don't know any of the lyrics.

[Joey]

This is us. Who's that on the right?

[Mark]

That's Erica Kirk throwing it down.

[Alex]

So what is these things?

[Mark]

Yes, bro, this is AI.

[Alex]

Please tell me this is AI.

[Mark]

Bro, it's not. She's a. She's a. She's a studio recording artist.

[Alex]

Stop it.

[Mark]

What? Branley Gilbert. Oh, Bradley. Gil. All right. Yeah. No, no. Joey, what is it?

[Alex]

Take the computer and smash it over your head. Take the computer, close it, and then break it over the top of your head. This Is Gabby Barrett.

[Joey]

Oh, yeah. But she got Erica Kirk face.

[Alex]

What does that mean?

[Joey]

It's like a little. You know what I mean.

[Mark]

Dance.

[Alex]

Dance, Al.

[Mark]

Dance. That was nice.

[Alex]

With the racism and Al allowing it, that. That made me feel uncomfortable.

[Joey]

I need to put that together.

[Alex]

He told you to tap dance, and you were up there.

[Mark]

He said, dang, Alex. And you immediately got up.

[Alex]

Whoa. Oh, man. You know, I was trying to get out of hell.

[Mark]

I didn't think about it either.

[Alex]

I know. See? See?

[Miles]

You know my heart.

[Joey]

Love beats. Hate, man.

[Miles]

Love does beat. Hate.

[Joey]

Love beats.

[Miles]

And these are haters over here.

[Alex]

Miles, watch 15 seconds of the Turning Point halftime show and immediately told a black man to dance.

[Mark]

I'm sorry, man.

[Miles]

That's on me.

[Joey]

I wasn't thinking.

[Alex]

Damn. So what do. So what is the. What is the argument against Bad Bunny doing the halftime show? Is it that he said things that are not supportive of America in the past and they're upset about that? Like, let's say he was, like, a Cuban American, Like, Die Hard America, conservative, love everything about America, and also performed in Spanish. Would they be that upset about that?

[Joey]

Well, I think there's a lot of dumb Americans that think Puerto Ricans aren't U.S. citizens.

[Mark]

That's part of it.

[Alex]

They can't truly believe that.

[Joey]

No, there's like, some. Some get punched in the head a lot, and then they think they're fake Americans.

[Alex]

Oh, wait, I feel like this is targeted.

[Joey]

You know, I'm just saying there's some people that are dumb and think that Puerto Ricans aren't UF citizens. To those people, I would say fuck.

[Alex]

You, but, like, who are you talking about?

[Mark]

No, I'm just saying about.

[Joey]

Bro, I'm just saying, if it feels.

[Alex]

Like you're talking about Jake Paul. That's what it feels like right now.

[Mark]

Friend of the show.

[Joey]

Wait, is he dumb? Does he not know that America. I mean, Puerto Ricans are American, too?

[Alex]

Well, he must know, because he lives there.

[Joey]

I mean, I would think he knows. Wait, what's this? Wait, wait.

[Alex]

Turn off the halftime.

[Joey]

A fake American citizen? Oh, no. He's a dummy. He's a fucking dummy. So fuck Jake Paul, bro, everybody.

[Mark]

You had him on the pod. You invited him on the podcast.

[Joey]

That was him. It was Logan.

[Mark]

No, you invited Jake on the show. You wanted to talk to him specifically.

[Joey]

Yo, y' all all look alike. Cause I thought we had the other one.

[Mark]

We had.

[Alex]

We had both of them on.

[Mark]

When.

[Alex]

We were talking to Tony Mayo and Uncle Murder last week. Did you think it was just, you Were seeing double.

[Joey]

They were twins.

[Mark]

I wouldn't say that.

[Joey]

No, but this is really corny, and I see you backtracking it now, so if you.

[Alex]

What did he initially say? Why don't you bring up the initial tweet, Joey?

[Joey]

I think this is the initial one. Yeah.

[Mark]

Was it?

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Okay. He goes purposely turning off the halftime show. Let's rally together and show big corporations they can't just do whatever they want to without consequences.

[Miles]

Which shows too much.

[Mark]

Mike.

[Joey]

Sorry.

[Alex]

Oh, sorry. Which equals viewership for them. Turn off this halftime. A fake American citizen performing who publicly hates America. I cannot support that.

[Mark]

Dude, he got hacked, bro. He said he got hacked.

[Joey]

No, he didn't.

[Mark]

Maybe he's a typo. Maybe he's a. Maybe he typed it wrong. Maybe.

[Alex]

Oh, yeah. That's what happens when you start talking about Jake.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Miles takes your mic. You shut your ass up and go back to dancing.

[Joey]

Yo, Miles, fix my mic.

[Mark]

There we go.

[Alex]

All right, we got.

[Joey]

We. We back. We back.

[Alex]

All right, so what happened? So Jake said, I don't understand the fake American citizen thing. That doesn't even make sense. He knows they're American citizens. He lives there.

[Joey]

I don't think he does. I think he got punched in the head too many times by Anthony Joshua.

[Alex]

So you think he forgot? Yeah, I think he's, like, acutely aware that it's part of America because there's a very favorable tax code there.

[Joey]

Oh, that's true. But maybe that's all he knows about the island.

[Alex]

Ah, so it's like a tax haven.

[Joey]

Yes.

[Alex]

Yeah, bro.

[Mark]

It's being misinterpreted, bro. He's literally said, the problem with my tweet is that the word fake is being misinterpreted. He's not a fake citizen, obviously, because he's Puerto Rican, and I love Puerto Rico and all Americans who support the country more. So Bad Bunny's fake because his values and criticisms of our great country. You were intentionally trying to misinterpret his tweet because you're a hater. Because you have JDs.

[Joey]

All right?

[Mark]

So if that's funny, you have JDs, dude, you got Jake derangements.

[Joey]

That is funny.

[Mark]

You're hating on a friend of the show, one of your homies that you invited to come on the podcast. You're just hating on him for views and clicks. You're rage baiting right now.

[Alex]

This was.

[Joey]

If his apology is genuine, I'll give him grace. But I think that came just because he got a lot of backlash, and it if that's the case, then fuck him.

[Alex]

This is an unfortunate thing because, like, Jake did just get knocked out, but lasted way longer than anybody thought. And people were, like, really supportive. I think, of Jake after that. Of course, there are people like, this is what happens when you fight a real boxer, et cetera. But I think deep down, there's a little part of like, holy shit, this kid's kind of brave. He starts boxing in his 20s, and he goes and gets knocked out by Anthony Joshua, Jawbroken. And maybe, like, the first time in his entertainment career post, like, Disney, where it felt like there was kind of unanimous. Not unanimous, but majority support.

[Joey]

Yeah. People didn't maybe had a little bit of respect for him.

[Alex]

Maybe respect is a better thing. It's like, I don't like your antics, and I don't like some of these fights, but I respect that you were able to go in there and get your ass kicked and tried your hardest.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And then he says this, and people are like, what the fuck you doing? It was so crazy. I thought he was trolling. Like, I was like, oh, Jake's working towards some fight with somebody maybe also.

[Joey]

And then if you go to his grant, he's doing a hard shift to that the MAGA crowd, he's doing a real hard shift.

[Alex]

Interesting.

[Joey]

And so, hey, if that's what time you on, then how about that?

[Mark]

That's it. Well, he says if you're publicly criticizing ICE for just doing their jobs, then he's gonna speak on it. So you might get clipped. You might get clipped.

[Alex]

So you think he's coming for us?

[Mark]

Yeah, bro. He might get punched in the head.

[Joey]

Fake citizen, bro.

[Alex]

Am I a fake citizen?

[Mark]

You're Puerto Rican. You're bode.

[Alex]

Hit the music. Miles, come on.

[Mark]

He's really calling us Puerto Rican. But, yeah, that is. It is funny because people are mad at Bad Bunny. It's like he's literally. I mean, I saw someone say he's more American than Trump. I thought that was a funny take because technically, he's been on Puerto Rico and, like, his family lineage in Puerto Rico goes farther back, and Puerto Rico is a part of America for. Farther back than Trump's ancestors.

[Joey]

O.

[Mark]

Because, like, they came from, like, Scotland in the 30s or something. I don't have the data.

[Alex]

I don't want to be critical of your take, but, like, not my.

[Mark]

Well, what? Not time.

[Alex]

I don't, I, I. But, you know, once you're American, you're American. Nobody's more American because their family was here longer.

[Mark]

No, dude, you're more American. If you're. If you're. If you're George Washington's kid, you're more American.

[Joey]

My ancestors were here for a long time.

[Mark]

100%, dude. Our ancestors were here for hell along. Yeah, yeah. Unlike your Scottish ancestors that came over. Yeah, yeah. In the 80s or whatever.

[Joey]

That's good. At least you.

[Mark]

They weren't.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So there's level masters. Exactly. I missed all the bad.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Joey]

You know, you're less American, but, yes.

[Mark]

You got to catch up. You got to make up for it. You got to start doing bad now. Even it out.

[Alex]

I can't.

[Mark]

I can't support that crime.

[Alex]

I did get lucky, though, because, like, my German side came here before for hitty. Before. Yeah. Before Tucker Carlson's favorite time in history. My Scottish family came after all the.

[Joey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

So this is, like, perfect. Like, they got after slavery before World War II. I'm in a nice little zone in terms of, like, low amounts of guilt.

[Joey]

We just got to get your name out of the Epstein files.

[Mark]

Good to go. Did you. Did you search people's names beyond.

[Alex]

Of course.

[Mark]

Everybody.

[Alex]

That's the first thing I did first.

[Joey]

I searched mine. See if I'm popping. Did you.

[Alex]

Did you get any shots?

[Mark]

Nah, nothing.

[Alex]

Nothing. Nothing.

[Mark]

Damn.

[Alex]

Nobody used the studio. What did Steve Bannon use when he did that interview with Epstein? He didn't go to WTF Media.

[Joey]

No, I think that might have been.

[Alex]

Bannon did the interview in Alex's studio, and, you know he would have taken that money in a heartbeat. They would have given it a discount. There's no. Give me some tax advice. Nah, nah.

[Joey]

We tax those guys.

[Mark]

But would you have built a studio in 2015?

[Alex]

You're saying. You're saying that you're looking into the criminal record of all the people that you build studios for? Or do you have a policy where if people have prior convictions, they're not allowed to record in your studio?

[Mark]

Traitor.

[Joey]

I think I'm going to dance now.

[Alex]

How many criminals. I'm not Korean. What the fuck is happening? Ever recorded in WTF meetings. Guaranteed. The next Epstein list, whoever the next EP scene is, like, 20, 30 years from now. 100%. Some of his cronies recorded there. Hey, it's a popular.

[Joey]

I can't help it.

[Alex]

Like the Island.

[Joey]

Everybody wants to go.

[Alex]

So we can't use his actual name.

[Mark]

The.

[Alex]

You doing. Can't use his actual name, even though we should search it in front of all of us. Yeah.

[Joey]

Nah, but I definitely. I searched everything. I searched the fake one, the real one, everything.

[Mark]

Nothing.

[Joey]

Yeah, clean. Clean. Damn, There a lot of gags in there.

[Alex]

A lot of gags in there, dude.

[Mark]

Mom was giving me so much, cuz. He was like, yeah, dude. Like, my family's not in it.

[Alex]

No way.

[Mark]

I searched his last name immediately. It was like, 10 results. And I was like, all right. Yeah. What say you that, Miles?

[Miles]

It's a woman on the board of trustees for an event that Epstein wanted to go to.

[Mark]

How convenient.

[Miles]

At like, a.

[Alex]

Is it a relative of you so.

[Joey]

He couldn't get into your family? Not that I survived.

[Miles]

You think I have. You think that my family is on the board of trustees in a prestigious New York charity?

[Joey]

The part of the family. I don't talk to your side.

[Mark]

But.

[Joey]

No, I looked it up.

[Miles]

I looked deep into that. I was like, all right, well, let's see if my last name's in here. I want to know what's going on.

[Mark]

But, bro, the Epstein shit is just so crazy. We were talking about this before. Like, how do you actually even untangle the web of debauchery and criminality that's connected with all the most elite institutions and people around the world? I don't know how. I don't know if there's, like, a singular thread that, like, ties everything neatly together.

[Joey]

Yo, sometimes he just puts together a set.

[Alex]

He love it.

[Mark]

He likes it.

[Joey]

Yo, I could try to recite this shit, and this is not gonna come out.

[Mark]

I'll say. It's insane. My mom was right the whole time.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

That elite satanic pedophiles are running the government.

[Alex]

Yo.

[Joey]

You know his mom's a lib now.

[Mark]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's fully swung all the way back around.

[Joey]

Respect.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Horseshoe theory. But, yeah, it's just crazy. Like, you go through the emails, and you're just like, okay, everyone's kind of connected.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Mark]

They've only released half, for the record.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Up.

[Alex]

And it's. It's enough to incriminate everyone. Isn't that crazy? Like, just.

[Joey]

It's only half. I thought we're, like, two thirds now.

[Alex]

I don't know. But there's, like, a few million more. Jesus.

[Mark]

I think the total, like, that was recovered was, like, 6 million individual files. And they've released, like, 3 million or something to that effect. Wow.

[Alex]

When Massie and Roe and the rest of Congress got to see unredacted files that were still redacted, those are of the 3 million that we've all seen.

[Mark]

I'm not sure. It's certainly that because they're looking at some of the stuff that's censored and redacted, that they're like, we're going to just go on the floor and say all the names. But it seems like to me at least, that they're also getting access to the unreleased, is my suspicion. I don't know exactly that, but that's what I think.

[Alex]

But you think they've seen those already? And then what about us getting. What about us getting the unreleased?

[Mark]

Well, there's conversation about are they going to release more and are they able to release more through Trump's administration still, you know, protect their interests, whatever they may be?

[Alex]

What are the odds we get. What does Couchy say? Is there a couch market for Will we get the rest of the Epstein files this month?

[Joey]

Month we not getting that shit.

[Alex]

There's no way. There's no way, right? Like, if it's this bad already and they're giving us and these are the sacrificial lambs, there's no way we're getting there. What is it?

[Mark]

There's this. That. Will Trump release more Epstein files this month? 37% chance.

[Alex]

I don't believe it. Until like some random account bets a million dollars the day before the release. Like you can really tell who has the insider information where the fucking trillion dollars get put on an obscure bet.

[Mark]

Is Maduro going to get captured and all of a sudden just a million dollars the day before. Yeah, I won.

[Alex]

Thought that wonder why you're willing to put up a million dollars.

[Mark]

And then Trump's talking about Baron. Like, yeah, he just does the stuff with the computer. He's a genius.

[Alex]

How does he figure it out?

[Mark]

So what does it say? 37%.

[Alex]

Trump will release more Epstein files this month. Yeah. No way. No fucking chance.

[Mark]

I mean, it was at 10%. It seems like it's going up.

[Alex]

But after this fallout, you think they're willing to release more.

[Mark]

In my mind, I'm like, what does Trump have to lose? Everyone thinks that he's already implicated. Everyone thinks that he's already, like, his reputation has already been drag through the mud so much.

[Alex]

Well, what's the other half? If, if, if we got the half already?

[Mark]

That's my point. Everyone already he's the President, United States. And everyone thinks that he's already done the most treacherous, debaucherous crimes.

[Joey]

What he has to lose is that all the information of him actually being.

[Mark]

All on the confirmation, but it affects everyone else also his reputation's already tarnished.

[Joey]

He don't give a about other people.

[Mark]

But I'm saying if if all the information comes out, like a rising tide lifts all boats, a lowering tide lowers all boats and he's already at the bottom of the ocean. So he's like, yeah, just bring everyone else to down and he's the last one standing because his reputation is already destroyed.

[Joey]

I don't.

[Alex]

So you think that what, so what is he worried that like there won't be enough room in the jail? Like what, what is it like? Yeah, we all go down. Maybe I won't go to jail because it's too full.

[Mark]

I mean, I'm just saying.

[Alex]

No. Is that what they're building those concentration camps for? What if it's not for ice? Oh, what if it's for the elites? Then we like all of a sudden we're okay with it. Right. If they just got all locked up in those building, that's fine.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Alex]

And we get to view them.

[Joey]

If they were building like pretty resorts, then I would believe that.

[Alex]

But no, make them suffer. Don't you think? Yeah, you want pretty resorts for the people that have been trafficking children.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joey]

Building his future home. So I think he would make it nice.

[Alex]

Yeah, but he doesn't think it's for him. But we know it is. Come on, man. Yeah, Allegedly, this is all. Allegedly all the people that are in power. We just want to let you know. This is all alleged.

[Mark]

Yeah, exactly. No one did anything wrong.

[Alex]

Wrong. No one has done anything wrong.

[Mark]

Which for the record, I'm not an expert on this, I'm not a journalist. This is just me with an Internet connection, Google and trying to figure it out. Yeah, we should get an expert.

[Alex]

Well, next week we're going to have a. We're going to have an interesting one for you, put it that way. We're going to do a nice little.

[Joey]

Deep dive so they can break down for real. But now we can just be.

[Alex]

Now we're going to talk our cuz. That's a lot of let's.

[Mark]

Let's us get to the bottom of it.

[Alex]

All of our tour dates in less than 30 seconds. Providence, Rhode Island, March 28th 8th Los Angeles with Jelly Roll the Greek Theater, part of the Netflix Comedy Festival. That's May 8th. August 8th. Halifax, Nova Scotia. Mark Go.

[Mark]

Washington, D.C. in Charlotte, North Carolina, the weekend of February 19th. I can't wait to see you guys there. Peace and love.

[Alex]

Are those images of the guy that looks exactly like him in Israel real?

[Mark]

Have you seen this?

[Alex]

No.

[Joey]

You guys are blowing my mind.

[Mark]

Somehow. Al doesn't know about this. You've been so Puerto Rican since the Half hour.

[Joey]

The only thing about S Team that's on my timeline is Jay.

[Alex]

That's the only fucking thing. Did you see everybody wearing? He's the guy from Twitter.

[Mark]

Yes.

[Alex]

Wearing the Epstein shirt right next to Jay in the booth at the Super Bowl.

[Joey]

No.

[Alex]

So him and Jay are in the.

[Joey]

Booth together as AI.

[Alex]

Wait, what is AI?

[Joey]

Stop.

[Alex]

So go get the picture of Jay Z and Jack Dorsey. I think his name is.

[Mark]

Yeah. Wearing an Epstein shirt.

[Alex]

It's just a black shirt with the yellow writing that just says Epstein on it. And then right next to him is Jay Z.

[Joey]

I'm sure the shirt means like, hey, release the files. Right? That's like some.

[Alex]

I'm wondering if it's like a protective thing, which is basically like, I'm going to be in a booth at the Super bowl. The chances that 90% of the people around me have fucked kids on an island are high. I need to wear this shirt to make it clear that I'm not down with that shit.

[Joey]

Okay. That's a weird way to do it.

[Miles]

Apparently it's fake, sadly. Oh, really?

[Joey]

Oh, see, Come on, you boomer.

[Miles]

He's wearing a shirt that apparently says Satoshi on it in the same like the crypto.

[Alex]

The bitcoin caught by. I asked if it was real. I asked if it was real.

[Joey]

You said. Did you.

[Alex]

Do you think they rolled out? Do you think they rolled out AI on purpose to with you, bro. That's a great conspiracy. What?

[Miles]

There's a great conspiracy around this, which is that like letting the epine files out at the same time that AI is becoming like incredibly hard to tell the difference between Was a planned timeline.

[Alex]

Yeah, because now you just completely distort reality. We don't know what to believe. We don't know what is true, what is false. And every bit of information we consume, it looks so salacious that it can't possibly be true. And we're consuming things that are not true that aren't even that crazy. Like him just wearing the Epstein shirt. That could be done. Not out of support for Epstein, but he's basically. It's like when people wearing the Epstein didn't kill himself merch.

[Mark]

Remember that?

[Alex]

Like, I thought he was doing it out of protest of the powerful individuals he might be seated next to in the booth.

[Mark]

This shirt's kind of tough, to be honest.

[Alex]

The Satoshi one's kind of fire, but yeah, it's like hell of a glow up too, man. He looks like Jason Bourne.

[Mark]

Oh, Dorsey. Yeah, he's got a piece.

[Alex]

You gotta go crazy.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Nice, dude.

[Alex]

Nice.

[Mark]

Good hairline.

[Joey]

He sees that forehead.

[Alex]

He's trying to make big foreheads.

[Mark]

Big brain time. That's what it is.

[Joey]

That's Stonehead right there.

[Alex]

All right, so let's go. What are the craziest things we've seen in the Epstein 5 files? Bill Gates catching an STD.

[Mark]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We talked about that on Patreon a little bit. Which, for the record, hilarious. Hilarious comments on Patreon.

[Alex]

Why would they say Patreon is.

[Mark]

Because we had David filling.

[Joey]

Okay.

[Alex]

Oh, God.

[Mark]

The comments were just.

[Alex]

They're killing them. They're killing them.

[Mark]

Because all the comments being like, I tried to give this guy a chance. What a douchebag. Put his foot on the table the first minute. What's wrong with him?

[Alex]

Who called. Who called David a hate sponge? Miles, He just absorbs all the hate. Yeah.

[Mark]

If you ever have a controversy, if people, you know, there's some heat on you, you hang out with David, people go, that guy's worse. And then just sucks to him, dude. Immediately. Yeah, it's kind of smart.

[Joey]

We need a little David.

[Alex]

Okay, so is the. Is the.

[Mark]

The Bill Gates things wild?

[Alex]

Is it true? Is it an actual email corresponding respondents?

[Mark]

Kind of. From what I'm able to understand, they did obviously meet up and talk post 2008 conviction.

[Alex]

Right.

[Mark]

But we know that there's, like, two different kind of things happening in the emails. There's the emails with Bill Gates reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein asking for stuff, and the story as it's coming up on Twitter, which, again, I'm not an expert, allegedly is on all this, don't sue me. But basically he's saying, basically Bill Gates is saying, I need antibiotics from Jeffrey Epstein so I can surreptitiously put it into my wife Melinda's drinks because I did contract an STT after being with Russian prostitutes. Now, why is he going to Epstein? What's all this about? The most interesting thing to me is that there's an email from Jeffre Epstein to himself, basically laying all of this out in very plain English about Bill Gates. And it seems like it's supposed to be sent to Bill or someone within his circle. Basically what feels like a blackmail email email, basically saying, like, you know, if you want to do this deal, that's fine, but, you know, let the record show that I helped you out with this, and you reached out to me for this thing, and you reached out to me about these antibiotics with these Russian prostitutes. Whether that email actually got sent to Bill, we don't know. But the fact that it's drafted to himself in such a way that makes it seem like he's trying to extort Bill Gates is crazy. Yeah. And just really validates what a lot of people feel about this guy being, you know, some type of espionage spy blackmailing the operator.

[Joey]

I think he meant to send it to himself because, like, for me, if I want some to keep something important, I'll text it to myself. And now I just go to my text history and I know all the.

[Mark]

Important and you keep it on. On deck. And that way if something happens, you can just fire it off to him immediately.

[Joey]

Exactly.

[Mark]

So that's sort of the. The story with that. Why is Bill Gates reaching out to Epstein specifically? So, yeah, this is to Jeffrey Epstein from himself, which je. Vacation is still just like the funniest thing to me, but he's doing like a vacation email is how he's like conducting like his entire criminal enterprise, like Jeffrey Epsy sweepstakes and Jeep. It's just like hilarious to me. Regardless, he basically says towards the bottom. I have not come to this decision quickly or without a great deal of thought. During the past few weeks, I've caught a caught up in a severe marital dispute between Bill and Melinda. I have the greatest respect for my friend of seven years, making the date very specific. I wish them both well in my role as his right hand. I have been asked on multiple occasions and in hindsight, wrongly acquiesced into participating in things that have ranged from morally inappropriate to ethically unsound, and have been repeatedly asked to do things that get near and potentially over the line into illegality. Though it was kindly suggested I would make a transaction to a new position over my six years of service, yada, yada, generous package. I felt it would be dishonest to myself. From helping Bill get drugs in order to deal with consequences of sex with Russian girls to facilitating his illegal tryst with married women to be being asked to provide Adderall for bridge tournaments. Hilarious detail. I feel I owe it to my friends and future colleagues to admit a moral failure to ask forgiveness and to move on with my life. So it's like this stepping down email to a bunch of people where he includes all the the Bill ever asked him to do, including getting Adderall for a bridge tournament, which is just so funny.

[Joey]

What's bridge?

[Mark]

It's like a game old people play, like a card game. But imagine hitting the best stream. Be like, yo, I need the addies.

[Alex]

That's I need the addies because we're.

[Mark]

Playing cars, Gates Is like, I'm not getting over by Larry summers and Tom Fritzker anymore. This bridge tournament on the island. Yeah. I need to be absolutely dialed. It's just so funny to me.

[Joey]

Okay.

[Mark]

Crazy, right?

[Alex]

Why would he send that email to.

[Mark]

Himself having it on deck so that he can fire it off to.

[Alex]

Is he sending a warning shot to all these different people?

[Mark]

Well, I don't know who got sent to. I'm assuming he got sent to himself to log it.

[Alex]

And does someone else, that is some, like, intelligence agency have access to his email? Email. And this is like a reminder to them. Hey, by the way, we got something on Bill in case you need it Possible. Why would he not just call. Was email technology so new that all these boomers were like, there's no way they'll be able to hack it. Right. Because they're speaking quite comfortably on email.

[Joey]

I mean, he's been navigating in this world for a long time, but the.

[Alex]

Other guys are also doing it. Yeah. Like, the other people emailing him are doing it with no regard for their own personal safety. Yeah. Especially if you're, like, involved in nefarious activity. You think you'd be like, I don't want there to be a paper trail. This.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, this is. This is Bill Gates, a billionaire, drawing a hooker.

[Mark]

Allegedly.

[Alex]

Allegedly. Like, isn't that, like, number one thing you don't do? Like, even if you have nothing, you don't raw a hook owl.

[Joey]

I'm saying, like, if he's a wild boy and he's moving around the cost.

[Alex]

Of rawing a hooker to all of your other. Like, fathering a kid out of wedlock. Yeah. Insane to a guy like that.

[Joey]

Yeah. But I also think he has the type of money, he can have people disappear if he wanted to.

[Alex]

So now you're adding, like, a crazier layer there, which is like, okay, if I do get this girl pregnant, they'll just be. Sulfuric acid. Yeah. Got it.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joey]

Wow, that's.

[Alex]

That's a gnarly.

[Mark]

Which apparently industrial amounts of sulfuric acid was sent to Epstein's Island.

[Alex]

Yeah. The day after he was indicted. Right. Like, he gets the indictment, and then, like, 30 gallons of it are sent to the. Yeah. And that's probably for other stuff. Yeah. You know, it's probably not to just melt the body.

[Mark]

A guy can't buy some sulfuric acid anymore.

[Alex]

Just for you and the boys. Yeah. You got a big bridge tournament. You don't know what's going to go on after that. You got to light some on fire.

[Mark]

Bro.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Imagine playing a card game with your boys being like, I need drugs from a pedophile. I mean, bro, you're taking it way too serious.

[Alex]

Also, there's no way you can't get Adderall at the office. Like, you work with engineers.

[Mark]

They're call the guy that invented Adderall.

[Alex]

Exactly. Why are you going to Jeffrey Epstein? Unless Adderall. Aderall is code for something else and bridge is code for something else.

[Mark]

Ooh, I need Aderall for bridge.

[Alex]

I actually need Viagra for kids.

[Mark]

Ah, they got them. You guys crack.

[Alex]

See, we crack the case every single time.

[Mark]

This is.

[Alex]

Why is he so happy about this? Cuz it rhymed at the end of the day.

[Mark]

Just like, O.

[Alex]

That was clever.

[Mark]

Just you guys being like, bro, we fucking got him.

[Alex]

That's the other part of this is like solving it. You do feel like Scooby Doo a little bit.

[Joey]

Yeah. You know, everybody's detectives with this shit.

[Alex]

It does put you in that position. And there is something like, imagine why kids are getting fucked.

[Mark]

Sorry. I know. Bad.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

This is not funny.

[Alex]

I look like Howard Lutnick. I know, I know what a fucking sociopath is. That all this is also is just like when you close collect sociopaths at the highest level and they're all engaging with one another, they can operate with somewhat normalcy while all this is going on. Like, the average person would be, like, shitting themselves, right? Yeah. Like, the average person that had sent insane emails to Jeffrey Epstein is probably not coming on the podcast and being a dick when Mark asks him what his stack is. The average person.

[Joey]

That was great. I just love the fact that he was on you.

[Alex]

But oh, my God, Mark was so happy when he read Peter and Tia's name all over the files. And Peter was acting like the loosest on the planet. He wouldn't even tell you what supplements he took. And he's fucking emailing Epstein, oh, I wish you had your life. You're such a naughty little boy. What was his personality that he was devoid of on this podcast. Podcast that he asked to come on.

[Joey]

I know.

[Mark]

Yeah, I asked him about supplements and he was like, I don't want to talk about supplements. And I was like, is carb free? And he was like, dude, I'm glad.

[Alex]

You know you asked.

[Joey]

Yeah, no, I know you felt good about that one.

[Mark]

N. Bro, come on.

[Alex]

No, cuz. You don't want.

[Mark]

I don't want bad things to happen to people. I don't want. I don't want this to be true.

[Alex]

Exactly.

[Mark]

I don't want the reality of the world to be that all of our institutions are run by satanic pedophiles.

[Alex]

But if that is the case, a.

[Joey]

Little P when they're mean to me.

[Alex]

Yes, yes.

[Joey]

That was God right there.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

See, God works very mysterious ways, very serious ways ever. This guy was sort of subtly passive to Mark. Well, guess what? He, him and his whole family's reputation is destroyed forever.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Shout out God. This is mysterious. This is beyond me, dude.

[Alex]

I don't get it.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Any other thoughts? I mean, it's just insane. It is insane the amount of people connected and how sick, pedantic they were towards him.

[Mark]

Yeah, it is. There's an interesting element of like, just like high school locker room dynamics never really changing. Like, obviously Epstein was running like this extremely vile and treacherous sex trafficking operation, much of which involving young women, and also was convicted for trying to procure a young woman for prostitution in 2008. So like, he's obviously, you know, debaucherous. Yeah. But the fact that he has access to women, women, prostitutes, drugs, most likely this island, extreme connections with all these people. That type of influence just draws in everyone. And the fact that everyone's like, do you think that's.

[Alex]

I think it's an influence that draws people in.

[Mark]

That's an element, at least from the Elon emails, that Elon's reaching out to him, being like, hey, is there a party? And Jeffrey's like, oh, maybe. And he's like, I want the craziest party of all time.

[Alex]

I want the wildest, wildest I've ever seen.

[Mark]

And Epstein's like, oh yeah, man, man. Like he's trying to talk in code.

[Alex]

Curbed Elon. He was too hungry.

[Joey]

Is Elon the corniest billionaire dude?

[Alex]

I mean, they're all wildly corny. It is.

[Mark]

Bezos is kind of lit.

[Joey]

He might be the corniest.

[Alex]

Bezos not in at all.

[Mark]

I'm really like, he's obviously like on emails and like different.

[Alex]

Cuz he was selling books online.

[Joey]

Is on to big booty Latinas, bro.

[Mark]

Exactly. Bezos is on. Is on the Bendito tip.

[Alex]

It's Bendito. It's Bendito. Get it right.

[Mark]

We're trying to figure out this web of pedophile elites. We can't figure out this guy's name.

[Joey]

He's so funny.

[Alex]

Hard getting so. So Basil's not involved at all?

[Mark]

I can't say that for sure.

[Alex]

Or his name isn't up in it.

[Joey]

I mean, I haven't heard anyone mention his name.

[Mark]

Seems like there's like an email for, like, dinners and like that. But I don't know if it's like, he's implicated in the way that Elon and the rest of these dudes are. But I don't know, the fact that Elon's trying to go to the parties and.

[Alex]

Wow, this one.

[Mark]

And Epstein's just like, hey, man, we actually canceled the parties. The island blew up. We don't do that anymore. And just basically deaded the whole thing. It's so funny.

[Joey]

He sent that email on Christmas Day.

[Alex]

Guy.

[Joey]

Guy got like 11,000 kids and on Christmas Day, he's wondering, where's the crazy party at? Ain't that crazy?

[Alex]

So here's the thing. Like, Elon's on this whole tirade where he's exposed everything online. Like, you see him doing, you know, PR on Twitter, and, you know, I'm going to pay for the defense of any of the victims if they want to talk out and they're worried about getting sued, etc. But it is. He is in, like, a unique situation because, yeah, he didn't go to the island, but he desperately tried to go to the wildest party. Like, if Epsine was like, ah, we just kind of have, like a normal party today. He was like, well, when's the wildest one? Right? And that means he must have heard that wild shit happens at the islands.

[Mark]

Absolutely.

[Alex]

Because why even suggest that? Yeah, like, if you're going over to your nerd friend's house, you're not going. When's the wildest dinner? Yeah, you know, your nerd friend has boring dinners and you're like, okay, I'll just come to any dinner.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Alex]

He's specifically asking for the wildest shit. So that means bare minimum. He heard some wild shit goes on. So bare minimum. It's hoes on the island. Legal hoes. Bare minimum. Bare minimum, right.

[Mark]

I mean, I think he says so much. He's like, the amount, the ratio or something like that is going to make your girl jealous or make her feel uncomfortable or something like that. He's like, just the amount of women that are going to be there is going to make Tallulah uncomfortable.

[Alex]

But does he try to. Does he try to go with his girl?

[Mark]

That's what one of them says. It's like, it's just gonna be me and. Me and my. My wife.

[Joey]

So he's basically writing back like, yo, don't bring your bitch.

[Alex]

Epstein was basically like, yeah, why is he trying to bring his girl? Yeah.

[Mark]

So it says, understood, I will see you at St. Bart's so this is not the ratio on my island. Might make Talilah.

[Alex]

Talila. But Tallulah is actually okay. Yeah.

[Mark]

Talila uncomfortable. And then ratio is not a problem for Lula.

[Joey]

Whoa.

[Mark]

Which. Lots of unpack there.

[Joey]

Whoa.

[Mark]

Also, how does Epstein type so bad? Every email has a typo. Like, what is. Well, it's very bloomer in contest. Every email is a typo.

[Alex]

Lots of dots.

[Mark]

Some of us.

[Alex]

Can we just hold on a second? Of all the things there are to be upset about this.

[Mark]

Okay. No, we've already talked about the things.

[Alex]

Selling and punctuation are the ones that really ring you up right now.

[Mark]

That's part of it. That's the thing that makes me most uncomfortable.

[Alex]

Epstein guy.

[Joey]

I know, right?

[Mark]

It's the hypocrisy.

[Alex]

Spelled people's names.

[Mark]

It's the hypocrisy. Okay. That's really what it is.

[Alex]

What was that? Who said that?

[Mark]

That's Norm. He's like. Yeah. You know, the Boris part of the Cosby thing is the hypocrisy. I think it's the child.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

It's like the fact that everything is misspelled.

[Alex]

I'm just trying to understand that. And we've been talking about this before, but I'm. I'm just trying to understand the leverage point that he has on all these people. Right. Like, you look at the. He did this interview with Steve Bannon, who's, like, trying to, like, rehab his image, right?

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And he's unimpressive in it. Like, you know, he doesn't seem like some, like, mastermind genius. You know, he just kind of seems like a. Like a goof a little bit. Now, I'm not saying that he can't also be a smart guy and understand finance or whatever the it is, but clearly he has some sort of leverage over powerful people. People. And that leverage might have nothing to do with the kid. Like, I think he must have leverage over the government.

[Joey]

That's interesting. I don't see it as leverage. I feel like he's just become, like, the fixer. He's the go to guy for everything. You want the hoes, you want the drugs, you want the weapons, you want fix my image.

[Alex]

How do you do that without fear of retribution in some way? And I think you need to have leverage. Right? So, like, my. My assumption with him is that, like, he was doing money laundering. By money laundering, I don't mean, like Breaking Bad shit, where you're putting money through a fucking car wash. You have to pay taxes. I'm talking about like moving weapons from different countries, right. In order to do that, like in order to get like American weapons into Iran so they can fight Iraq, you need some sort of middleman. Now I think there was a time back in the day where America could just do it itself. And then you were bringing up, it was like the Church act or something like that.

[Mark]

Yeah, Church committee.

[Alex]

The church committee basically where now you need to disclose exactly what's going on. And then the United States government is like, well we can't do that because we're fucking breaking the law around the world. World.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So they needed these intermediaries. So my assumption is they plucked this guy from finance. Now if you're a brilliant financial dude, you're just going to go make hundreds of millions of dollars in finance. If you're a guy who's not very risk averse at all, but might not think that he can climb the ladder of finance, but is still a sociopathic maniac who wants power and wealth, you might be willing to do a job like that. And, and if in fact he starts working for our government, other governments, and you would work with these other governments because in order to get these weapons over there, you might need to hit up Israel and be like, okay, we're going to pass through here and get them there. Great Britain is going to know about something going on because they're an ally of ours. So now you're interfacing with their spy networks, you're interfacing with their, whatever their version of like a CIA is, MI6. Like you're interfacing with all these intelligence agencies around the world and they kind of know you as this intermediate intermediary. And now we quote, unquote, have to have one so we can do bad shit around the world without it coming back to our pocketbooks, which you can check. So now all of a sudden he's in a position of leverage with the United States government because he gets to go, listen, if you guys arrest me for this little tax thing that we're doing over here, why would you do that? Is it really worth it to do that to me, knowing what I've done for you guys? And God forbid that got out. And as long as none of this stuff became like a massive news story, because my first thought is like, all right, well I don't just kill him. If they know that he has this leverage over them, just fucking kill him. Get him out of or no one knows who he is. And then I found out that once it became a massive story within A month. They killed him, Right? So, like, he gets indicted, and I think within a month of him being indicted, he's dead in jail.

[Joey]

But what about the first time around?

[Alex]

Well, the first time around, he gets that little sweetheart deal. He probably gets a sweetheart deal because he's connected, but it's not such a massive story that they have to get him out of here. And he's still useful to the government.

[Joey]

And they did kill the story because there was that one girl that was about to put story after, and then.

[Alex]

They killed the story. So, like, all right, if this doesn't become a national news story. And things were much easier to control, Remember back in the day, you have a handful of people that were organizing the, you know, what we're consuming on an everyday basis in these different media organizations. And those handful of people were probably on that island with him or doing other nefarious activity. Like, we see how connected the billionaire in elite class is. It's almost like every conspiracy that you could possibly concoct about the ultra wealthy has been proven true here. Like this idea that, like, there's this. What is it? There's a group of insiders. What was Julian saying? There's that famous quote. It's like, there's a great big club.

[Mark]

And you ain't in it.

[Alex]

Yeah. You know, and who said it?

[Mark]

George Carlin.

[Alex]

Carlin said it. Yeah. And so, yeah, to me, it's like, he must have some leverage on the government. And then I was speaking to Sagar about this, and he said that multiple times. He. What is it called? FOIA.

[Miles]

FOIA?

[Alex]

FOIA'd?

[Mark]

Freedom of information Act.

[Alex]

So multiple times. And then he pressed whom for that? The CIA, the FBI.

[Mark]

I don't know what anyone can do.

[Miles]

A FOIA about yourself, about anything.

[Alex]

Well, he did. He asked the government to look up his file or his connection. He did the Freedom of Information act. And he did that twice on himself. On himself. And to me, what that is, it's a messaging to the government. Like, hey, you might want to look up, like, things may have changed and the people in charge may have changed, but I want the current ones to know what I've done. So I want you guys to do a little research now, you know, you're gonna let me get away with this? Or now, you know, hey, listen, this bank, you know, they did some tax evasion, I think the Rothschild bank in Switzerland. There was an email and, like, they paid Epstein, like, 25 million bucks to, like, decrease the settlement for them. And it's like, well, why was he able to decrease the sentiment settlement? Well, it's like, well, maybe he knows some people on the inside and he has some leverage in the United States government. He's like, hey, can you do me a favor? Let's not make this ugly, you know, And. But again, in order for all these people to have such a sycophantic relationship with him, he needs to have leverage over somebody incredibly powerful. And then with that leverage he has over those incredibly powerful people, he can then gain leverage over all these other people. But he needs to come from a point of strength at one point.

[Joey]

Right.

[Alex]

Like, why else is everybody kissing his ass initially?

[Joey]

Come from.

[Alex]

Exactly. Because he's rich. It's like there's so many people that are rich.

[Mark]

Yeah, right.

[Alex]

Like there needs to be some. Some power structure that is put in place with him. And my assumption is that he basically had dirt on not only our government, but every other government that he was working for or working with. And that put him in a uniquely powerful situation where he didn't really have to abide by the law. And when he did break it, they would let him get off. And it seems to be that is the case until the story got so popular that they were like, all right, well, now it's just. It's cheaper to kill you is what they thought. Again, I don't know. Poke holes in this. Tell me where I'm off. Tell me where.

[Mark]

The thing that I'm so curious about is like, how early Julia goes. Because, like his whole come up is still so vague. Like we think we kind of understand it, but like he, you know, goes to school in New York, graduates, whatever.

[Alex]

I don't think he graduates. I think he doesn't.

[Mark]

Graduates high school.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Goes to college. Drops out of college.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And then is immediately hired at like.

[Alex]

The most prestigious, this private school, the Dalton School. Dalton.

[Mark]

And the headmaster at the time is.

[Alex]

Is William Barr or Donald Barr, which is William Barr's dad. Yeah. And William Barr Barr, before he was the headmaster, started what will be the CIA.

[Mark]

Right.

[Alex]

I think it was called something else back in the day. We can look at that.

[Mark]

Do you know what it was called prior to.

[Alex]

Anyway, it was under a different name at the time. The oss.

[Mark]

Office of Strategic Services.

[Alex]

You're right. Oss. Damn. My boy. Okay, forehead.

[Mark]

Come on, forehead.

[Alex]

You gotta hit that right here.

[Mark]

I gotta resolve.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Mark]

But yeah, it's like the. The fact that early on he's getting connected with these elite circles and from that school is allegedly when he starts meeting really prominent parents of kids that are going there and then is connecting with these parents and then moving up the ranks, getting to bear Sterns, etc.

[Alex]

So he gets the bears, but I'm.

[Mark]

Like he gets this first thing and I think people overlook that. How difficult is that job to get?

[Alex]

To get a job as a teacher.

[Mark]

At a private school, the most prestigious private school without having a college degree?

[Joey]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Mark]

So is he already being groomed at that point? Is he already being set up?

[Joey]

You don't think that's this crazy?

[Mark]

Is he getting set up by the time he's 19, 20 years old to run this life as a spy?

[Joey]

Like to be a teacher at a public school you need a master's.

[Alex]

Not back in the day. We're talking about like I think they would let any idiot teach back in the day. I actually think it was. I think it was actually quite common where like look this up. Cuz I think you just right now.

[Mark]

Also, weirdest thing about this photo. His name is spelled wrong. I always thought that was so weird.

[Alex]

What the.

[Mark]

It's I before E. No, this T I, N E. His name is T.

[Joey]

I, N. That's what I see, right?

[Alex]

That's what it says.

[Mark]

No, E, P S T I N.

[Joey]

E. Oh, you talk about on the board. Oh, oh, and he wrote that.

[Mark]

I was that like it's like a joke, like I don't know.

[Joey]

Oh, that's not even his name.

[Mark]

It's just a weird ripple to me. I'm like, why is that like that?

[Alex]

Anyway, that's. Hold on, go back to. Go back to the image. Cuz I don't know if people noticing. Okay, so it looks like. Oh, and zoom out a little bit. So it looks like a yearbook picture or something was taken. And at the bottom printed is his name. It says math science teacher. And his name is spelled correctly on the blackboard in the background of the image. His name is spelled E, P S T I N E. And the E is kind of cut off. And why would he spell his name incorrectly? Or is it a student that spells his name?

[Mark]

Does the kid write it? Is he doing like a joke like oh, I'm the teacher, I'm the new guy, I can't even spell my name. Like I.

[Alex]

Okay, so you're thinking that he could be groomed from a very young age. So the question is.

[Mark]

And then he gets on the Rockefeller board.

[Alex]

Like how soon after this? I don't even know.

[Mark]

Maybe like four years, something like that. And his explanation with Bannon is so weird. His explanation with This I think he's like, at Bear Stearns. And he's like, yeah, you see at the time, like, you know, if you had a calculator, one of the TI84 calculators, you could do all these very professional computations. You had a huge advantage. And so they poached me. And they say, you're going to be on the board of the Rockefeller thing. Because I had a calculator.

[Alex]

What?

[Mark]

Because you have a calculator, you're now like, on the board of this extremely prestigious organization.

[Alex]

At what age is he on the board?

[Mark]

Like 20 something.

[Alex]

So this is before Bear Stearns?

[Mark]

It was while he's at Bear Stearns.

[Joey]

Okay, so he spelled boob with his calculator.

[Mark]

Like, calculator. So got you in.

[Alex]

I'm like, what division was he working at at Bear Stearns?

[Mark]

I think he was just like a trader. And then like, he was like working his way up.

[Alex]

My understanding is that they placed him in a specific division, right? And that division could have been used if you were going to launder money to, you know, what's it called, transfer weapons around the world. Like, if the United States government is doing it, they're not doing it through their own banks. So you're going to have to find a bank with influence where you can't transfer these funds or do other stuff. I forget what, the division BRCC or something like that. Can you look that up? Like, what division was he at at Bear Stearns?

[Mark]

I think you just said one of the names of.

[Miles]

He swiftly move up from an ops and options trader working in the special Products division and then advised the bank's wealthiest clients.

[Mark]

That's all I have there.

[Alex]

What was it? Oh, yeah. Black Rifle Coffee. I think it was that. I think I know. Yeah, he was working with Black Rifle back. America's Coffee. America's Coffee.

[Mark]

Badass.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Special Products Division. Special Products division at Bear Stern quickly advancing to be wealthy clients on tax mitigation strategies before becoming a limited partner.

[Alex]

And then he gets fired, right, Following a violation.

[Mark]

But I'm like, look, we can all speculate how he gets his money. Is it Les Wexner? Is it, you know, Robert Maxwell's secret fortune? Or is he being set up from the time that he's 19 years old to be inserted into these institutions?

[Alex]

So why him?

[Mark]

That's what I'm. That's what I don't understand.

[Alex]

What does he show at 19 years of age that they're going to let him be one of the most powerful and influential people on the planet?

[Mark]

What? I don't get it. Could it just be coincidence in that, of course the person that's going to get connected to all these things is the person that's in these institutions. So therefore, it's just like, you know, survivor bias. I don't know.

[Alex]

Julian Dorey hit us with a fantastic. I don't even. What would you frame this as? Because he's not present, he's not presenting this as fact, a theory, a fantastic.

[Mark]

Story, a narrative, not like this soap opera.

[Alex]

So I guess the lawyer. What was his name? Edwards, who was representing some of the girls that he had assaulted and trafficked down in Palm Beach. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, the lawyer, something Edwards. I believe I could be butchering this. He gets access to interview Epstein's longtime house cleaner, house manager. Yeah. Bradley James Edwards. I'm pretty sure this is the case. And they do an interview with him, and one of the things he says is, like, yeah, Epstein was, like, kind of wealthy. Like, you know, when I knew him, he was living on the Upper east side or whatever like that. And then in 1992, shit changed. He gets the mansion, the houses. They're talking about buying jets and everything. So, like, something happened around that time. And then Julian says, In 1991, Robert Maxwell is. Is he found guilty or is he killed?

[Mark]

He passes away suddenly after falling off a boat.

[Alex]

Robert Maxwell is Ghislaine Maxwell's father.

[Joey]

I'm familiar with him.

[Alex]

And people are saying Mossad spy, but he was also like this media magnet in the uk and falls off a boat. Falls off a boat, dies, you know, always happens. But what had happened is that he was getting. Getting.

[Joey]

He just tried to do a backflip.

[Alex]

For the first time.

[Joey]

That was it that happened.

[Alex]

But what had happened is apparently his companies had gone broke and he was stealing money from the pension funds of people in the uk. And you've heard this story. What Julian posits is that that is not the case and that they didn't go broke and that he hired Epstein to essentially extract all of his wealth using his ability to, like, move and launder money without detection right around the world. And he takes the wealth on himself. And Ghislaine is at his hip because that's her access to his fortune, or which is really her fortune. But if it maintained under Maxwell's name, obviously it would go back and pay all those people that they stole money from, et cetera. All the wealth would be seized, like they seized everything else, even though there was, I guess, nothing there besides, like, real Estate. Anyway, interesting theory how he can go from 1991 to 1992, you know, be worth hundreds of millions of dollars of nowhere. Who knows if it's actually true. And having money is important.

[Joey]

Maybe she's the mastermind in all.

[Alex]

Well, some people say that, yeah, I've heard people say, some people say that, that he's actually working for her cuz.

[Mark]

It'S working out for her.

[Joey]

What was the Reddit you, you told me about the other.

[Mark]

Yeah, the Maxwell Hill thing. Did I say about this?

[Alex]

This is. No, that the account that was being.

[Mark]

Yeah, that this theory is that she's the one that is moderating world news and a bunch of other massive subreddits on Reddit controlling the daily narrative of what people digest about the world.

[Joey]

Learn different.

[Mark]

Her dad, her dad obviously a media mogul and yeah is basically just like learns how to control information. She starts the account shortly after Epstein is allegedly starts the account. If this is her shortly after Epstein is arrested in like 2006. And yeah, basically is posting every day, 12 times a day about world news, geopolitics, all this stuff under this account called Maxwell Hill. And then in 2020 when she's arrested, the account goes ghost. Doesn't post to this day. So people are like, yeah, it's pretty obviously her. She has like different sort of British little aphorisms inside the messages and things that she's posting. She says that her birthday is in December. Like the account person says that her birthday is in December. Her birthday is December 25.

[Miles]

There are gaps within when she posts that line up with her mother dying, like a three or four day gap and then also another gap where she's speaking at a, a conference of some sort.

[Mark]

So it could be coincidental, it could be the fact that there's an account with the Maxwell thing. Gain Maxwell. That's all lining up. It's possible.

[Joey]

And then moderators have so much power on Reddit to make some stuff more popular than others. So now you're controlling what people see.

[Mark]

Yeah, I mean have you, I mean the fact that Epstein is meeting up with the 4chan dude way early in the game.

[Alex]

Yeah. Can you break this down?

[Mark]

I mean to my knowledge, basically the emails reveal that like in 2010, 2011, something in that window, Epstein is meeting up with this guy Moot, who is the creator of 4chan, which is just another sort of anonymous messaging board that is massive and can really like sway sort of public opinion on the Internet. And basically after meeting with Epstein, the subreddit poll politics is created now, is that because Epstein wanted him to create? It is because he met this guy and was like, oh, this guy's like a power player. Like I should create a subreddit or like a, you know, 4chan board to like talk about him, yada yada. Why it was created. It's difficult to say it was created.

[Miles]

The day after they met.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah. But the fact that Epstein is like keeping tabs on these media power brokers in this new era of information and information transfer is very interesting to me that at this point he's probably like, what, like 50 something and he's tapping in with like deep cut Internet. Did you know about 4chan?

[Alex]

No.

[Mark]

In 2010. You know what I mean? So, like, he's more savvy about what the new wave of propaganda and media is than almost any anyone else. And to me, that's just like another really illuminating part of this whole thing that, like, if Ghislaine is doing the Reddit thing and he's tapping with the 4chan guy, it's like, oh, they're actively trying to control what the narratives are around this new generation of media. And they were completely right about how people were going to consume media in the future. A big bet that he makes, you know, 15 years ago on 4chan and on Reddit. Turns out that they actually are the hubs of where people get information.

[Joey]

I don't know.

[Mark]

I find that to be be very interesting. Now, it could all just be coincidence. And who knows? I'm not an expert.

[Alex]

All right, guys, we take a break for a second about how the Illuminati is actually real and the global elites are probably feasting on children as we speak. Mark's mom was right. We all owe her an apology.

[Mark]

Facts.

[Alex]

You wouldn't hire a barber to fly your plane, would you?

[Mark]

Plane to where?

[Alex]

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[Mark]

Okay, get back to the show.

[Alex]

That's allegedly. Let's get back to the show.

[Joey]

Just housing in so much.

[Mark]

Mm. I mean, the 4chan shit is crazy. Or the Fortnite thing.

[Alex]

Oh, go.

[Mark]

Have you heard about this?

[Alex]

I have. I heard that Fortnite debunked it.

[Mark]

Is that what it was?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

There's a theory that went around that.

[Alex]

Was fantastic that basically, like, Fortnite debunked it, but also is the CEO of Fortnite in the fucking file. You go with the Theory.

[Mark]

I mean, to my understanding, as it came up, okay, it says, Epic Games debunks viral. Epstein Fortnite account claims basically there was this thing, thing where Epstein had an Apple account, I believe, that was connected to an Xbox account or something to that extent, with the name littlestjeff1. And then someone found a Fortnite account with the same name.

[Joey]

Right.

[Mark]

And they made this jump basically to say that these are the same people. So Epstein legitimately had a littlest Jeff1 account. But then there's also this other Fortnite account, and the account had been buying, buying stuff through the time that Epstein was alleged to have died. So people are basically saying, is it possible Epstein's alive? And he got discovered via.

[Alex]

There's multiple cool wrinkles about the Fortnite thing because he recognizes the value of in game money and essentially is a form of almost like crypto. And he's seeing this and he's going, oh, wow. People are buying gold or whatever to buy products within the game game. And this, this money within the game is actual utility. Yeah.

[Mark]

There are robust digital economies that the FED or the SEC has no access to.

[Alex]

So now if you're a guy who's in money laundering and you're looking for clever ways to move money around the world undetected in a world that has become increasingly, I would imagine, skeptical of how money moves around, maybe not. Maybe all the elites are down and they're part of it and they're making it possible. But I don't think it's that crazy for him to be like, hey, I play this video game. I'm going to transfer you $20 million to do whatever horrible thing that you need to do in this game. Now, I wonder if they can track them in the game. I wonder if you can get Fortnite to hand over, I mean, whatever documents.

[Miles]

World of Warcraft is.

[Joey]

Gamer nerds are pedophiles. That's crazy.

[Alex]

You never saw that.

[Mark]

Who would think World of Warcraft is.

[Miles]

Also involved in this? Like the idea that people, they were buying money from a company that Steve Bannon owned in China that would get in game money for World of Warcraft that you'd be able to buy and then buy in game items and sell. So it was like a laundering idea that Steve Bannon and Epstein were laundering money through World of Warcraft in 2008.

[Alex]

I mean, again, I don't know how this exactly works, but let's say you are doing it. Let's say you're in China. Right. You need to get Your Chinese money out of China, you don't trust it. You're buying all this stuff within the video game. Maybe China allows this video game. And then someone on the other end you're buying that from, you're buying all these things that you don't even need and then some on the other end that you're buying them from now has your actual real money and that's turned into whatever currency you wanted to be turned into. So now your money's out. Now you don't have to buy a, a duplex in Vancouver. You have to go through this whole rigamarole to like, own real estate that you're not even going to use to get your money out anyway. He's clearly looking for clever ways to move money around undetected. Now why would you move money around undetected? Now you're a rich guy. You want to not pay taxes, which it seems like none of them do, and all them because of that. But what if you need to move money around because you need to do some pretty nefarious around the world, you know, what if you need to pay underage prostitutes? You know?

[Mark]

Well, that was another.

[Joey]

I don't think they were getting paid.

[Alex]

Somebody's getting paid, maybe not them.

[Mark]

Those are the. That was one of the emails, like the procurement process is what people are talking about. This, this is a guy, Seyad, if you could look at the files. Siad, it was his last name. And basically just went through this whole sort of system with this guy. I forget his first name, but last name. Siad or Syed, I think. And then Jean Luc Renel. And then, yeah, this guy, Daniel, Daniel Syed. And Jeffrey Epstein basically saying, hey, this guy's going to find us people around Europe. He's going to procure women for us. And then he will then be compensated $3,000 a month for these services. Say again?

[Miles]

Euros.

[Mark]

Euros, sorry. And basically in these emails it lays out this whole thing allegedly of how women would be procured through these modeling contracts to then get into Epstein's Web, which was just another thing that like a lot of people speculated, like, oh, how did this all work? It was a very systemic, organized process that was very businesslike. Whereas, like you had this person that brought in women and then women would then come in. They would likely be victims, survivors. And then they would also. Many of the women on the inside would then act as procures for other women. They would be on the inside. And it was like an mlm, like you would basically bring in women. Either they would get brainwashed they would be victimized, they would be given a deal. I don't know. And then they would then procure other women. And it was just this entire web and this email, once again, just kind of puts into concrete detail of how these systems work, allegedly.

[Joey]

Why aren't the women saying names?

[Alex]

Well, I think, one, that's a good question. But two, it's like, if it is a complex, complex web, why don't we know any of the other figures that are involved? Like, why are we just hearing about this Daniel Siad guy?

[Mark]

The FBI said there is no one else involved.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Oh, okay. So it's probably nothing.

[Mark]

Exactly. So, I mean, 2008, there was like other co conspirators that were named in that original conviction that all kind of got swept away. Epstein was the only one and then served like an extremely reduced sentence and like all of his charges were reduced.

[Alex]

Question about this, question about this specifically. And then I want to hear what you have to say. Sorry, it's like, okay, it seems obvious from this late. The latest tranche of files that just came out, right? You have all these people, incredibly wealthy, powerful people that are connected, right? And while they. While some of them might not have done anything horrendous, like maybe Piritia didn't do anything horrendous. Maybe he did. Who knows, right?

[Joey]

Nah, fuck that guy.

[Alex]

Well, fuck him for being mean tomorrow.

[Joey]

But like me tomorrow.

[Alex]

Yeah, but like while he maybe did do something horrendous, we don't know. There's no proof of that just yet.

[Mark]

And just being named in the files is not implication of criminal activity. It could be, but not everyone that's named is a pedophile.

[Joey]

But it is for everybody.

[Alex]

Except Jay Z. Yeah, except Jay Z. In the court of public opinion, you're immediately crucified. Right. And so they've given us names of very powerful people. Right. Yet they're still protecting names. Yeah. What that lets me know. Know is that these are the sacrificial lambs. Like the Gates is a sacrificial lamb. That's a power that was at one point the richest man in the world. Like, I know there are people that have more money and they're not even on these lists. Because if you were actually the richest man in the world, you wouldn't let people know who you are. Yeah, but like if Bill Gates is part of the sacrificial land crew, who are the people that are still redacted? I mean, Thomas Mazzi and Ro Khanna.

[Mark]

Shout out to them.

[Alex]

Shout out to them for Pushing this like crazy. They just. They just saw more files and they were like, their still names redacted. 70%, but they said there's six. Was it co conspirators? There's six names of co conspirators that were. That they. Did they get access to their names or they were.

[Mark]

I mean, Thomas Massey, it seems like, got access to all their names and is basically putting pressure on Chris. Congress would be like, either unredact these files or I'll just say who they are.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Because there's no reason that they should be redacted.

[Alex]

That guy got courage, bro.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Both of them got courage. And they're doing the right thing.

[Joey]

Yes.

[Alex]

But you know what they do? The reason it's courageous is, you know what they do to people who look like they're gonna cooperate. Because Epstein was cooperating. That's another important thing. Epstein, was he going to. That's what I think. We can look it up. But that's when I was talking to Sagar. He was saying he was cooperating. Cooperating. And then they murk them.

[Joey]

Oh, I thought we didn't even get that far.

[Alex]

My. That's my understanding from, you know, my convo. Is Sagar okay? Again, who knows? But that's even more of an indictment when you think about it. Like, the second the guy who's organizing it all goes okay, I'll let you guys know what happens. He kills himself in the prison.

[Joey]

That's why it's also weird. It's like Ghislaine speaks with Trump's former lawyer, and then all of a sudden, now she's in a nice, cushy place, and all of a sudden she's pleading.

[Alex]

The Fifth and she's saying, that's weird.

[Miles]

Lab. If you let me out, she.

[Alex]

No, she says, if he gives me immunity. Immunity or clemency? Is that the word? What's the difference between clemency and immunity?

[Joey]

I thought clemency, you take away the charges. Immunity is just like you still have the charges.

[Mark]

Take away the pun.

[Alex]

Anything I say can't be used against me. Got it. Okay. So she wants clemency to talk to clear Trump's name. And it's like, well, if his name was clear, yeah, why do you need clemency?

[Miles]

Immunity before clemency, he's after.

[Alex]

That's what they're saying. Got it. Okay. But like, to me, like, if she shrewd enough to indict him that way, like, is she smart enough to go, yeah, I'll clear Trump if you give me clemency well, if he's clear, why are you even putting that on the table?

[Joey]

That's.

[Alex]

Yeah, well, right, like just, she might.

[Mark]

Be shrewd enough, but she doesn't have to be because her attorneys are meeting with her being like, hey, just say this, you know, like, you have enough smart people working on her behest. Like, hey, here's what you're going to say in order to put pressure on the right people.

[Alex]

Okay? So now that we, we know that everybody from Trump, Patel, Bondi, Bongino, like everybody that was involved in this, ah, this is just a hoax. We don't have anything like, clearly lied. They're all on record saying versions of this. Right. With the latest tranche. All of that is a lie.

[Mark]

Yes.

[Alex]

Right. Has it been proven? Effectively. That is complete falsehood.

[Mark]

What exactly is a falsehood?

[Alex]

The statements that this is just a Democrat hoax and this is. I don't even know what that means.

[Mark]

I guess he's trying to frame like, this is a witch hunt against me. I did nothing wrong. They're trying to use this to slander my name.

[Alex]

And they wouldn't use it when they were in power. Like, to me, they also know, like, both sides are incriminated in this and that's why it wasn't brought up when Biden was in power. Like, they had the opportunity to go look into this stuff and they obviously didn't expose it. Now him framing it that way, I don't think is like, they're just waiting for Trump to be back in office so that they can do it. It just seems so peculiar. Like it's obviously you're protecting something. Maybe you're protecting your friends, maybe you're protecting yourself. Right. I'm being delicate with language here. Right. But like, bare minimum, if we have these six co conspiracy conspirators that their names were adapted. Right. And anytime Trump's name is in the files, almost it's redacted. Yeah, right.

[Mark]

I mean, we can talk about the 1D.

[Alex]

Oh, yeah, this is interesting.

[Mark]

Like there's just a random redaction on the word don't and you can clearly tell that it's don't. Like the sentence is like, I blank will go there or I don't want to go there, whatever, you get what I'm saying? And basically, don't is redacting. People are deducing like, oh, they just went through with some type of LLM to redact anything with Donald Trump.

[Alex]

Anytime, Don, Donald, don't, Auntie, don't just black it out. And you have so many files that it would be probably impossible to go through every single one with a human being talking about 3 million emails or something like that.

[Mark]

Right.

[Alex]

So you kind of have to leave it up to AI a bit, bro.

[Mark]

It's low key. Like, have you seen the Office? There's a scene where Michael Scott writes a whole book and he puts Dwight as like this dumb character and then command F changes all of it. But then they're reading it and then there's one that's DeWitt and he spelled Dwight wrong and he didn't change that one. So then they realized that he actually put Dwight as the dumb character in the book and then it became this whole drama. But literally it's the Office in real life, like in the files that like, they're trying to redact these things and accidentally redacting the wrong things that show their hand.

[Alex]

So Ricky Gervais was in on the whole time? Is that what you're trying to say? Is he implicated this.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Alex]

Well, like, so. So what happens like once it's like Kash Patel, for example, who said he looked at everything and there's. There's nothing there. Yeah. What did he say on Rogan? What kind of propaganda was he regarding.

[Mark]

That there's no credible evidence that there's co conspirators in a sex trafficking web.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Mark]

To something like, it's worded pretty peculiarly.

[Alex]

If you really look at it. Oh, you think that he's delicate enough where he can defend it?

[Mark]

I think so. Where it's like, technically there is no.

[Alex]

Da, da, da, da.

[Joey]

He's like, if I saw anything illegal, we would be investigating it right now.

[Mark]

Yeah, exactly. And it's like, no, the sort of sex trafficking operation was state sanctioned because it was done with impunity from the data, like some type of legal magic to try to make it seem like technically the statement is true, but the spirit of the statement is obviously not true because he of course had co conspirators.

[Alex]

Right. So he's been given orders to protect powerful people and devise language that will allow him to tell the truth while lying.

[Mark]

I think it's probably the most likely thing. There also might just be like a realization when you're in Patel's situation that you get in and you go, oh, if all of these files leak unredacted, all of the institutions that hold up the world order will change.

[Alex]

So that's. So that, that's. There was a part of me that thought, and I wonder if they're going to play this. This Hand. But there was a part of me that thought that they were going to bring in Congress or those of the people that were on the board that actually want to see all the files, et cetera. There's a part of me that thought they were going to bring them all in and go, here it is, you guys ready for the world to burn? And they were going to walk out and go, guys, there's nothing here. Now I don't know if they will. They're also so pot committed, their reputations are on the line. They're saying that these powerful people are involved and they're being protected by Trump and the administration and Trump is also protecting himself in it. But is there a version where it goes so high up and it's so entrenched in all these different countries that there's a version where government itself would implode if the information got out? Is there a version where even the people pointing it out, saying that they're going to expose it, try to protect it, Is it too big to fail? Is it the banks? Is it the housing crisis? Is it, Are we going to bail out these bankers? Are we going to do it again? Are we going to bail out the people that put us in this fucking mess?

[Mark]

If history tells us anything, probably. And that, I think is the most frustrating part. And I think if you ask the American public in general, would you rather uphold a system that exists for the purpose of child sex exploitation in order to do all the nefarious deeds that need to get done, or do you want to just tear down the whole system because it shouldn't exist in the first place? Everyone say, tear it down. And that's why I think they're not giving that as an option. Because the American people, and I think people of the world don't want to live in a system like this. The fact that this exists at all, I don't think is an aberration from the system. People are like, oh, the system failed. I think this is exactly. The system was set up to function. Yeah, like this.

[Alex]

We just got privy to it.

[Mark]

Yeah. This is a feature of it. It's not a bug like this is built into how it works is that you get a level of wealth, power and influence and you're able to operate outside of laws and regulation. Any of that shit.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Mark]

So I think it's a built in thing and that if you want the system to change, you fundamentally have to change the whole. You have to tear down the system, which.

[Alex]

So here's the question. Change the global order when people reach a certain amount of wealth and status where they have access to, to this insider club, right, the club that none of us are invited to, Are there people that have access to it and like, let's say like a, like a Bezos or whatever like that? Can they operate like Bezos is promoting Trump, you know, he's there at the inauguration dumping the money, and he's making the Washington Post change its narrative a little bit to be a little bit more. More favorable. Are these people, Is it possible these people are working within these systems of power because they go well, in order for me to get what I want, I gotta work with these bad actors, and that's the only way that I can achieve the things that I want to achieve. Is it possible that these people are doing it and know about the nefarious activities and are turning a blind eye to it? Or is it possible that they are unaware of the nefarious activities, meaning like child sex trafficking, this type of, like, blackmail, leverage? And they are going, but I'm still going to operate above the law because that is the privilege of the powerful and wealthy.

[Mark]

I think it's all the above and that every person probably has a different foray into it, but in my opinion, like, just the way that the system is built, that once you get to a level of power and influence, any other identifying feature goes away, like your nationality, your race, your sexual orientation, all that is gone because your entire motive is just personal growth, aggrandizement and protection of your own capital interests. So you just get to a level where, like, none of that even matters. It's just all alignment. So who's aligned with making me more money?

[Alex]

Oh, is it Trump? Okay, well, I'm going to give him whatever he needs and I'm going to stand behind him at the inauguration and I'm going to cozy up.

[Mark]

Exactly. And like, all this other shit is just sort of like a flowery kind of moral veneer that you put on stuff to make it look. Look like you're doing the right thing at the. On behalf of the people. But none of that matters.

[Alex]

There it. What's. What's interesting about the files is you don't really see any, any, like, athletes or entertainers. We were talking about this. Have you noticed that, like. Yeah, like, Jay Z's name comes up, but it's like, barely, and it's some, like, unverified.

[Joey]

Yeah, it was some.

[Alex]

Whatever.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

But again, you don't really see all these, like, actors or you don't see all these people that we view as kind of famous and influential.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And my assumption on that is that the real elite don't see actors and athletes as actual elites. They see them as toys. They don't actually respect them. They're like, you don't actually move markets. You don't actually create something. And meaning, like, you can actually generate and create wealth. Like, you can shoot a basketball into a hoop, but the second you're 40, like, you stop being able to do that and you're no longer longer of value. Whereas, like, if you're creating business and moving markets and changing geopolitics, now you're a player and you're someone that I have to fear. And I feel like at this level, it's not even, do I like you? It's do I have to fear you? And I think it's pretty obvious that Epstein had enough connections where you had to fear him. And there's this sycophantic. It's like, you. They wanted his connectivity, they wanted what he had, and it was obviously beneficial to them. Like, there was that strategic alignment agreement that you're saying. But I think that there's also something deeper which is simply, do I have to worry about that individual? If I do, I'll be nice to him. Because it's more beneficial to me to cozy up than to go to war with someone who can actually hurt me. An athlete can't do anything to me is what I think these billionaires are thinking. Like, they're just toys. We just, you know, we have fun and we watch them do their thing, but they don't need to be part of this system. Yeah, it's kind of interesting.

[Mark]

They're also easier to neutralize where it's like, okay, if this person is outspoken with a big public audience, that can sway public opinion, that could be dangerous. So.

[Alex]

So.

[Mark]

But I could also hire them for a birthday party and pay them an insane amount of money, become friends with them, and we're like, cool. And then that might, you know, neuter any type of bad pr.

[Alex]

So this is the thing where it's like, actors or entertainers never really had that kind of influence outside of, you know, saying what, whatever virtue signaling thing made them look good when they accept an award type of stuff. With the invention of, like, new media and podcasts, all of a sudden the influence of legacy media dips down, and now there are these new sources of influence which forced the elites to have to pay attention to what is going on here in the same way they forced to pay attention to what's happening on Reddit, forced to pay attention, happening on 4chan. They're like, oh, shit. Narratives are being moved outside of the traditional structures that we already kind of owned and operated with and were friends with. Now we got to worry about this other stuff because they can influence the world in that way, whereas they never had to worry about entertainers before because, like, Billie Eilish isn't really moving the needle that much. Like, she can say, no one's whatever illegal on stolen land or whatever like that, but it's not actually changing structures in America. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's kind of wild.

[Joey]

Yeah, I'm really interesting to see.

[Alex]

So bad.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joey]

Go, go, go, go with Bill Clinton and Hillary.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Joey]

Like how they're. They requested for the deposition to be public. Yeah, like, that's interesting.

[Alex]

Well, what do you think that means?

[Joey]

I think they don't want to be, like, used as pawns and like, not be able to control what comes out of. Of that deposition.

[Alex]

So they have a private deposition and then the powers that be leak whatever they want from.

[Joey]

Yes. Yeah.

[Alex]

Now also, if the powers that be are working against them, against the Clintons, if they're willing to just kind of discard them because they're like, you're the old world order. We don't need you anymore. You guys are about to die anyway. Who gives a fuck? We're gonna. You're the sacrificial lambs as well. Making it public. If the Clintons have anything on the other powers that be. Yeah, it. It all of a sudden makes them go, if I go down, you're going down. So asking for it to be public might stop it from happening at all.

[Joey]

Oh, shit.

[Alex]

Right. If it's private, they could redact all the shit like them are redacting from the emails.

[Miles]

It's going all in. You're gambling you go all in.

[Alex]

Yeah, if I'm going down, you're going down with me. And then all of a sudden they go, well, we don't really need you to do this.

[Miles]

Yeah, they'll fold their hands.

[Joey]

Interesting. I thought they were just going to be like, oh, well, this is public now. So now you guys are. It have to behave in terms of the questions.

[Miles]

No, you're also right, Al. But in the more nefarious version or like the more conspirator, conspiratorial version, it's.

[Alex]

I think. Yeah, it protects them. So it protects them in multiple ways. It's like one. You're not going to leak information that's going to be negative. About me. Right. I can control what goes out. And two, you know what I know?

[Joey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

And if you want to get cute, I'll get cute. Because if everybody knows. Right.

[Joey]

Like, I'm tuning in for that.

[Alex]

This is nuclear war without the new.

[Joey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

The war is your connect. The nuke is your connection to Epstein. Right. Like, if you are connected to him, if your homies with him and you've been lying about it, you're nuked. You know? Like, I'm curious what happens with Lutnick. This guy who. I think he said he stopped having contact with Epstein in 2005 or something like that, and he told this story about him and his wife or like, you know, went saw him. It was disgusting. I never want. And then I don't know when he goes to the island with his family, but I think he takes his family to the island, which is odd. But again, if you're lying about connectivity to that person. Right.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Well, on some level I get we're talking about lnck. On some level I get lying. Right. Because you know, if you're connected to him at this point, it's over for you.

[Joey]

Yep.

[Alex]

So for self preservation, you're creating as much distance as possible. I get it. But if these files are coming out, you would think that they would try to get ahead of this. These things are amazing, by the way. Shout out Nero Gum. I was like a little like, you know, out of it. And I'm locked the fuck in anyway, so God bless. But yeah, it's like Patriot. Yeah. But yeah, I think he said in 2005, that was the last time they connected. Then they showed that there was like many more connections, even up until. When was it 2013 or. I don't even know when the latest is.

[Joey]

But yeah, I'm a little disappointed at America right now.

[Alex]

Talk to me.

[Joey]

Because I keep seeing overseas anybody mentioned in the files is like, they're being either stripped of their titles, being fired, or even people like, fuck it. Well, we have Prince Andrew, of course, but then there's another guy right now they're Mendel's Wilson. Yeah. And like, they're upset at the Prime Minister just because. Just because, like, he recommended some guy who was connected to Epstein. I'm like, God damn. So just recommending a guy who was close to Epstein is getting you clipped. Like they're standing on business. Over.

[Alex]

He's ambassador to America.

[Joey]

Yes, I believe so. Right. So it's like they're standing on business and we're like, I think they're standing.

[Alex]

On business when they start clipping people with actual power and influence. The ambassador of America is like a cushy position where you do Jack, the being Prince Andrew, he's like a meaningless nutrition coming after the Prime Minister. They're being critical of the Prime Minister. They haven't asked him to step down.

[Joey]

They're trying to get.

[Alex]

But they haven't done it yet. Like, what I'm saying is we're doing the same thing. We're holding the people about like, we have people in Congress that are going, hey, the president is protecting a child pedophile ring.

[Joey]

That's true.

[Alex]

Right. Like, and we want the names. And they're redacting. And the FBI is stopping this from happening and all of his crony are lying about it. So it's like we're pushing too. I don't know how far the UK or any other country involved is pushing to get people actually ousted.

[Joey]

Okay. You know, it seems like they're doing.

[Alex]

More if Keir Starmer is forced to step down or they call some. I think they can do like, special elections with the parliamentary system. Right. Like, so if they can do that and they get them out of here, I'm like, oh, okay. That's a big move.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Alex]

What you got, Miles?

[Miles]

It's just so frustrating. No one's actually going to be held to any standard. Like, there's no.

[Mark]

That's how I feel. I'm trying.

[Miles]

We can ask your to step down. We can, like, kick l out. We got Acosta in trouble. There are so many people within these files that are like, actually bad people who did insanely bad stuff that we aren't going to be able to have. Like, there's going to be no jail time. And all the people that actually.

[Mark]

Were.

[Miles]

Ever in these files are dead or Ghislaine is in a cushy jail.

[Alex]

Those are so. So I think, Alex, you brought up this question earlier.

[Joey]

Earlier, Right.

[Alex]

And. And it's like, where are all the victims?

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And how can we give the victims a platform to speak? And will the victims recognize these people? And that is another question I think is important. Right? Which is like, 20 years ago, you hooked up with some, like, old, fat white guy. He didn't tell you his real name. You don't know who he is. Like, are they. And like, the owner of the Giants.

[Joey]

I forgot a few of my bodies.

[Alex]

Like, it's like, unfortunately, traffic. But no, but that's the thing. Like, unfortunately, this is like, horrendous that you're trafficked and you're like, with all these random dudes, like, are you able to point out the owner of the Giants? Allegedly? Like, I don't know what the owner of the Giants looks like. Could you tell who he was? And you know, how he's different from these other people. I wonder if there's a circumstance like that where, like, I went through all this horrible stuff. They didn't tell me the names of the guys. Obviously they're doing illegal shit, so I don't know who they are. And they weren't necessarily famous at the time. We're talking about rich and powerful people that weren't known. It's not like it was actors doing it. Then you'd be able to go, ooh, that's the guy. I wonder if that's part of the reason why they've been hesitant to come out and go.

[Mark]

I think there's a bunch of reasons. Like, of course, what you're saying, like, the nature of the operation is to going compartmentalized information. So, yes, like, Epstein knows one thing. These guys coming in for a party know another thing. And then the women that are actually being trafficked that potentially are a part of the blackmail operation only know what their specific duty is. Do this or else we're going to come after your family, destroy your life, your reputation, etc. All the other, like, intimidation and coercion tactics that go along with sexual.

[Alex]

And we're lying to you about who these people are.

[Mark]

Sure.

[Alex]

They're. They're purposely confusing these girls.

[Mark]

These girls might not know that it's recorded. They might not know, like, that there's a payment situation. We, again, we don't know the exact details of how it actually operates.

[Alex]

Also, where are the recordings? Apparently we had 80 cameras set up in every room or something like that. We don't have a single recording.

[Joey]

That's the smoking gun. That's the shit that keeps me going jail. I don't want to see kitty porn. But that's where the shit is at.

[Alex]

At this point. At this point, there's not a single person on the planet that believes he killed him himself. Right.

[Joey]

And some people still think, I mean.

[Mark]

He might have been allowed to kill himself.

[Miles]

He might have been allowed. That was going to be my saying. As they come in, they say, it's going to be us or it's going to be you. Tonight's your night. Are you going to do it? That would be like the most, I don't think.

[Mark]

Which is barely gracious.

[Miles]

That's the most gracious version of it.

[Joey]

Cuz didn't the coroner say like the way his neck snapped, there was no way you can do that?

[Mark]

No, he said that like the wounds were somehow connected with Axia through the. Like someone's hands. So like it's possible it could have been that. But also through a roof, yada yada. I don't think he comes up. Yeah.

[Miles]

Name.

[Mark]

And as time has gone on, I'm even less confident that he's dead. Like it's possible he might just been scooped up. I don't know. Yeah, that's just like my general vibes at this point.

[Alex]

I'm like, I could believe anything.

[Joey]

I mean, it would be easier to kill him than try to sneak him out and keep him alive.

[Mark]

Depends how much leverage he has. If there's a dead man switch, I don't know.

[Joey]

So I. I had a dead man switch.

[Alex]

I had person say this to me. Take this with a grain of salt because everybody. It's a person. Told you to talk to another person. So this is all like whatever.

[Mark]

The salt, I guess.

[Alex]

Yeah. The rumor was he had three dead man switches. And the intelligence agencies found two of them. And upon finding the third, they killed him. Who knows if this anything is true.

[Joey]

Whatever.

[Alex]

Like that. But like, I heard that joke.

[Miles]

Oh, sorry, I didn't.

[Alex]

No, his.

[Mark]

Wait, what?

[Alex]

Oh, I thought you were doing a pawn off of. No, it wasn't fun. Anyway.

[Joey]

We need deadman switches.

[Alex]

For what, Al?

[Joey]

I don't know.

[Alex]

Did you just incriminate us?

[Mark]

How would you need a dead man switch if you have a deadman switch? If people are trying to take you out and you want to compromise them with blackmail. So who's trying to take you out? And what kind of blackmail do you have that would ruin someone's reputation?

[Joey]

I mean, speaking of. I know you don't shower all the time.

[Alex]

That we did shower today, huh? I did. You know how I knew he showered? He came into the brilliant idiot studio and it was like a bouquet of flowers walked in. Like, I've never. I've never had him walk in a room. And it's smells so pleasant that I kept like sniffing around cuz I didn't understand what it was. But you and you use a fragrance. Shampoo. Shampoo.

[Mark]

No, that was just cologne.

[Alex]

I. I got a cologne. What? Rough at home.

[Mark]

Show, bro. Halftime show got me fired up.

[Alex]

Dude.

[Mark]

Bandito got me fire.

[Joey]

What happened to pheromones and all that hate you used to say, bro?

[Mark]

It became a problem.

[Alex]

Is it cologne? Just more pheromones?

[Mark]

No, bro, it's different.

[Alex]

Pheromones? Yeah, but they work better. It's like steroids.

[Joey]

His wife.

[Alex]

Oh.

[Joey]

Loves his natural pheromones and all this. No. You up to something, bro?

[Mark]

No, bro. The problem is my natural pheromones wouldn't.

[Alex]

They sell body odor if that's what women wanted.

[Mark]

And they do. I actually just talked to a perfumer not too long ago about this exact thing.

[Joey]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex]

So the stinkiest people made perfume and cologne. The people known for smelling like who? The French.

[Mark]

French.

[Alex]

Okay. We didn't know about those over there. You call me Old Spice. No, we didn't know about them just yet. So the French were known for smelling like. And they're like, we got to do something about it. So they made fragrances.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Alex]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark]

They tried to throw dirt on my name, but I grew up at it.

[Joey]

You French Canadian.

[Mark]

Exactly. Come on.

[Alex]

Dirty.

[Mark]

And you?

[Joey]

Nice. Nicer.

[Alex]

Okay, so what's the deal? Do we ever find anything? I mean. Oh, my God.

[Mark]

I don't think so.

[Joey]

No. But the videos. Where are those? Is that part of the other.

[Alex]

Hey, Cash Patel said there's no videos. Dude, there's not a single video. You didn't remember that the guy was recording nothing?

[Joey]

So the crazy. The crazy parties that Elon wants to go to, like.

[Alex]

No, he said there's no.

[Joey]

I want to see the videos.

[Alex]

He said there's no blackmail. He said something specific.

[Mark]

Why don't you look it up? That's what I'm saying. Using is just.

[Alex]

Is particular.

[Mark]

Yeah, I mean, he's an attorney. Like, the guy knows how to, like, sort of legally. Is up a little statement.

[Alex]

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[Joey]

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[Alex]

Yeah, you need some sunglasses. Okay. You need some sunglasses. Matter of fact, you might need some to completely stop you from seeing anything happening on that island. Full blackouts. That's not what this is.

[Mark]

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[Alex]

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[Mark]

No.

[Alex]

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[Joey]

Oh, okay, I do remember that. And I was like, I should have known right there.

[Alex]

Like, I should have known right there that they were. I mean, obviously I felt that they were covering it up. And that's why I was like, what the fuck is going on? But to even respond to me, that means that they're in like immediate oh, shit mode. Right? Like, I knew it. And I pushed and I was like, ah, what the fuck is going on here? But it was so peculiar because they campaigned so hard on exposing it. Like the buongino guy.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

And Cash and Trump are campaigning on exposing it and immediately getting office. Is there part of you that looks at it and goes, like, where do you take that? Do you go, the only way we can squash this is if we get an office. No, because the Democrats had it and they weren't going to expose it because all their donors are in it as well.

[Mark]

I think they underestimated how fervent the base was for truth on this specific issue.

[Alex]

How could they do that? Usually they're pretty calculated in understanding.

[Mark]

That's my, that's my assessment. They go, look, we're going to get all these influencers that control the narrative around your right wing discourse, and we're going to bring them in, we're going to give them these binders, they're going to have all these files.

[Alex]

This is what Pam, Bonnie invited all them to the White House.

[Mark]

And that's going to be what we need to get this whole thing covered up.

[Joey]

And I bet you that was the plan from the beginning.

[Alex]

I mean, how stupid.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

What an unbelievable miscalculation. And now you see Trump going like, hey, Bill Clinton's a nice guy. Why would he.

[Joey]

Oh, he's saying that now.

[Alex]

You haven't seen it. Yeah, I like Bill Clinton. You know, he's always been nice to me. They asked, they asked him, they're like, what do you like about Bill Clinton? He's like, he's always been nice to me.

[Mark]

What do you like?

[Alex]

What do you like about him? Hey, what do you like about those? I like that he could make me look like a dang 13 year old. I'm not nice to him. That's, that's what I like. Allegedly.

[Joey]

Oh, man.

[Alex]

So what are the chances? What are the chances that he's okay, here's something. Do you think that Trump's time timeline with his friendship with Epstein makes. Is. Is accurate.

[Joey]

No.

[Alex]

Meaning you think he maintained the friendship after.

[Joey]

Yeah, I think they just had, like, a small falling out because they were, like, fighting over that woman or girl. I don't know.

[Alex]

Go on.

[Joey]

And that's.

[Alex]

That's not the falling out. The falling out is even you would hope that that was the falling out.

[Joey]

Oh, it's like they wanted the same property or something like that, and you stole the property from him.

[Alex]

Like, so.

[Joey]

So the.

[Alex]

I think the illusion with of a lot. Lot of, like, the. The Trump, like, loyalists is like, he saw that Epstein was trying to take girls from Mar A Lago and he kicked him out. He said, no, no more. And that would be really great if there was somebody with that type of moral compass in the office.

[Joey]

Yeah. The fact that he said that, I do think there's a little truth to it. It's like, I think he just took one of his girls out of the place and he was upset about that.

[Alex]

Fair. But apparently they were beefing over a piece of real estate and that was the. The final straw. It's like, you can take the teenagers out of here, but if you go after that property, it's hypocrisy.

[Mark]

You hate it.

[Alex]

It's just. Okay, so the timeline being like, they stopped being friends after that real estate thing, do you believe that? Do you think that they maintain?

[Joey]

No, I think they maintain because I think if, like, for Epstein to be such a big player, especially in Florida, because he's right there, the island's right there. So I'm like, you can't really just be like you. It's like, I'm not with you. But, you know, we still share a lot of friends. We can be cordial. I just don't really mess with you.

[Alex]

How powerful are the people that he's protecting that he's willing to. Let's say, for example, hypothetically speaking, the timeline is. Is. Is accurate, meaning stops being friends with him after that. I think that's when 2005 or something like that. Then he gets the pedophile charge in 2008.

[Mark]

He gets convicted in 2008.

[Alex]

2008 conviction, never talks to him again after that. That. Right. So how powerful are the people that Trump is protecting? Or does Epstein or the powers that be have incriminating evidence on him prior the 2005 evidence of him doing any. You know, I don't even want to mention horrible things where he's willing to go down with the ship instead of the just exposing it, because if he did stop Being friends with him. And he was sure that they didn't have anything. Knowing Trump. Yes. Wouldn't he just sell everyone else down the river?

[Joey]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mark]

It might be such that it implicates literally everyone, like monarchs and heads of state. But if he's like, we have this oil deal and these people are pressuring me saying, hey, if you don't redact our, you know, King King's name, we're gonna not sell you this oil, and then oil price in your country are going to go up. Like, we can extort you through economic means if you don't get rid of our stuff or this, like, financial.

[Alex]

How much leverage do these other countries have over us?

[Mark]

I don't know. It might be. It might be personal. It might be like, hey, we're gonna give you this jet, or we're gonna give you this, like, private thing in order to cover up this thing that someone in our country did.

[Joey]

The problems these files are giving him right now, it's if he wasn't implicated. Yo, put this shit out.

[Alex]

This shit is quick. Look how quick they folded on ice, right? They get pushed back on ice, and immediately they send home, and in there, they're probably. Maybe they fire gnome. I don't know. If they do, they take out the other guy. What was his name? Bavino, Right. They go, we're going to prioritize criminals. We're going to do so it's like they do bend to the whim of the people and to the markets. Right? So, and that is. That is somebody I was talking to, Michael. Michael Moynihan, who was saying this, and he was like, shout out. And he was like, that is to the. To the argument about him being authoritarian. There's no question he has authoritarian tendencies, but authoritarians don't bend to the whims of the public. Like, the leader of Iran is an authoritarian. You guys are rebelling. I'm gonna shoot you. All right? So they're bending to the markets. They're bending to public perception. Knowing Trump, you. You don't think that he would just lay all these motherfuckers out in a silver platter?

[Mark]

Unless, in my opinion, I think, like, 20 years will go by, and we'll be like, how did we ever think that he wasn't? Yeah, but I think he's obviously implicated in some way by proxy. But I also think it implicates legit everybody.

[Joey]

So if Epstein is the guy to go to, if he's a fixer, he's the guy who can like, massage your reputation to the public. And I'm about to for presidency. You don't think I'm hitting up this guy?

[Alex]

Also, like, his. The guy who was going to do a PR rehabilitation for Epstein is a guy named Steve Bannon, who was Trump's campaign manager for the 2016 term and his White House. What is the position when you essentially, what is. What was Bannon's position in Trump's White House in 2016? And then I think he eventually gets.

[Mark]

Fired, and then right after he gets.

[Alex]

Fired, he goes and rehabs Epstein.

[Mark]

Links with Epstein White House chief strategist.

[Alex]

He was White House chief strategist.

[Joey]

Come on, now.

[Alex]

So come on. The tentacles are in.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Mark]

I mean, it seems pretty obvious from all the circumstantial evidence. It's kind of shocking that there's not, like, one singular. Like, yes, look, you know, but what about his Bandit?

[Joey]

Is Bandit getting from his people? Like, yo, why were you trying to help this dude?

[Alex]

I mean, he got to be out of here. I don't even know why people let that dude speak. I've always felt this way about Bandit.

[Mark]

He operates as such a weird kind of murky figure. I don't even know really his story super well. And, like, all the details around him. Say again?

[Miles]

He's also rich in his 70s. Like, he doesn't. There's no, like, company he's going to get fired from.

[Mark]

And I don't know if he has, like, fans. I just think he's an operative and he's probably a spy.

[Joey]

Oh, I thought he has, like, a huge fan base. I think he has, like, he's like, he's maga.

[Mark]

I think he's co opt as a MAGA people.

[Alex]

He's like a mouthpiece for existing.

[Joey]

But doesn't he decide, like, what's MAGA or not?

[Alex]

Like, I don't think he has that type of polar. I don't think he has that type of gravity. I think that he. He can, like, organize thoughts for these groups and then be the most sensational about them. Probably say things that the politicians can't say to really, like, rile up those bases. But I don't think that he's actually moving people or markets.

[Joey]

Oh, okay. I thought he was, like, one of the main guys trying to kick Tucker.

[Alex]

Out the shit when he's too unhealthy looking. Like, you have to. He looks. He's dying.

[Joey]

That'll stop him. Look at Trump.

[Alex]

So here's.

[Joey]

Here's my question. How healthy you look.

[Alex]

You know how we, like, look Back at, like, history. And you look. Look about, like, the Greeks, right? And like all the. The Greek aristocracy. The. The rumor is that, like, they had these little boys that they would fuck. These, like, little eunuchs that they would fuck. And we're like, oh, this was commonplace at the time that, like, the rich and powerful would have sex with children, and all of them had a little concubine in a thousand years. Do they look back at history now and be like, oh, yeah, the rich and powerful would just fuck. Has nothing do to changed in 2000 years?

[Joey]

Yeah, but I still thought that shit was disgusting and nasty.

[Alex]

No, we. Of course we think it's disgusting, nasty, but we think it's like, the past. We go, oh, look how weird the past was. Look how obscure and, like, look how just. I don't even want to call it primal. Just, like, disgusting this behavior was. But it was commonplace 2,000 years ago. But we're dignified.

[Mark]

This is ancient. We've civilized over time.

[Alex]

Yeah, we're civilized beings. We would never do something like this in. In a thousand years. They're going to look back at us like, with the fucking Greeks. The. We just switched to girls. They're like, oh, they stopped being gay around the year 2000, and then they just kept it with young girls.

[Mark]

Did they?

[Alex]

Actually, that's the other thing. That's wild. It's like, we don't hear about none of the gay shit. There's nothing.

[Mark]

Well, there was some email leak that talked about Epstein and Wexner, I think, having a relationship. Like a sexual relationship. I heard.

[Alex]

Well, the rumor about Wexner is that he's been sweet.

[Mark]

Right.

[Alex]

This whole time, and that's part of.

[Mark]

The reason why he was so tight with Epstein, pun intended. Is because. Because they were Epson waxer. That's what I was reading on.

[Alex]

So we're supposed to believe that, like.

[Joey]

Your timeline is this, bro.

[Alex]

That does not come across my at all. What?

[Mark]

He's been so Puerto Rican since Bad Bunny happened. He's like, I don't see anything. I don't have Internet. My electricity.

[Alex]

Don't. Don't make fun of the electricity.

[Mark]

They put it on the super bowl sensitive top. They put it up there.

[Alex]

They did have the electric poles up there for that reason.

[Mark]

Right? Yeah.

[Alex]

Okay. And it was a metaphor for what?

[Joey]

The bad infrastructure that they have in Puerto Rico because we're supposed to be connected to America, but we can't get funding for electricity.

[Alex]

Yeah. Well, tell those guys, stop playing dominoes and start working on some electricity. We need Those guys.

[Mark]

Those guys are retired, bro.

[Alex]

Engineers. We need them still.

[Joey]

They busy. They fought in World War II.

[Alex]

Yeah, man.

[Mark]

So I think the web is deep. I don't even know if anyone knows, like, the story. Like, I think it's, you know, something.

[Joey]

You know a lot of this story.

[Alex]

Yeah, tell us. What are you thinking?

[Joey]

Come on, forehead. Come on.

[Mark]

Take your hat off. I mean, again, I don't know if anyone knows. I think anyone that's like, here's what happened is lying, because I don't think there.

[Joey]

I bet.

[Mark]

I'm willing to say this is probably so compartmentalized that people intimately involved might not even know. Like, does Jean Luc Brunel know how deep Epstein's like, intelligence ties go? Or is he just like. Oh, yeah, he's just like a rich guy that likes young women. Like, does his connection with Alexander Acosta, that gives him the sweetheart deal. Does he know about his, like, foreign passport with Vienna? Like, does anyone actually know the whole story? And does Epstein himself know how he's being utilized by these foreign actors? Like, he obviously knows the most, but now he's not there. Ghislaine probably knows the second most, but she's in prison taking her fifth Amendment. Right? So to me, I'm like, does anyone actually know the entire thing? Yeah, and I think it'll be years until all of it is unpack.

[Joey]

They got to take down his team because it takes us 15 people to do a podcast for him to have.

[Alex]

That type of ring with two people. Yeah, like, coming.

[Joey]

Come on, bro.

[Mark]

Yeah, Like, I mean, and of course there's people that are connected to it that are just quiet. Like his assistants, his co conspirators, his former girlfriends that are just not being affected by this. Like that to me is also crazy. Like, they must have known or at least should be questioned about what they knew and they're going to just get off scot free.

[Joey]

Oh, yeah, the ex girlfriend, that's. Yeah, Karina Shulia Miles got his eyes on her.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Joey]

Cuz she kissed.

[Alex]

I mean, she. She got her.

[Miles]

She's got 100 mil.

[Alex]

What was her thing? She just started. She's like, I'm going to reveal it all. Then it was just like a crypto.

[Mark]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. She was on Twitter talking about how she's going to reveal it all, but she's a dentist. She's a Belarusian dentist that apparently was doing dental work on the island.

[Miles]

You seen the pictures of the dentist's.

[Mark]

Office with the mask with all the weird faces and shit? It's so weird. Some people say, oh, Epstein was just super particular about teeth and he wanted everyone to have perfect teeth. And so if someone needed dental work, he wanted to have a dentist on the island at all times who he coincidentally was also dating. Allegedly. Now, is it also possible this was used to like remove people's teeth so they couldn't be identified and then thrown in the ocean?

[Joey]

Yo, how do you go to a dentist office with that?

[Mark]

Weird, right?

[Joey]

That's strange.

[Mark]

This is just on the island.

[Joey]

I just like a cover. Oh, this is actually. Yeah, that's on the.

[Mark]

To my knowledge, this is on Little St. James.

[Joey]

Oh, I thought this was like her practice.

[Alex]

No, but weirder.

[Mark]

That is on an island. Like, imagine someone gives you an island. Like you won Beast Games.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

You got an island.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Would you put a dentist on? Like, it's just so strange to me.

[Alex]

Okay, so I saw some pictures on the island. I saw this take on Twitter. I thought this was a great take. It goes. If anybody, if you believe that any of these billionaires are going to this island for the views of the amenities, you're out of your fucking mind. And I saw the pictures and it does just look like an all inclusive of resort. It doesn't. It doesn't look that fancy. It's like a Marriott somewhere.

[Joey]

Yeah, but still. Private island is fire.

[Alex]

Well, well, well, well, well.

[Mark]

There's a use for it.

[Alex]

Why is it fire?

[Joey]

I think just being on a private island is kind of fire.

[Mark]

And why is that?

[Alex]

Why is that?

[Joey]

I ain't doing no. I don't know where you get that.

[Mark]

But you could do drugs.

[Alex]

No, it's the same reason why being on the boat is fire. Being on someone's yacht is fire. Because there's no rules.

[Joey]

Okay?

[Alex]

That's what people get. When you're in the middle of the sea, there's no cop that's pulling up and telling you what to do. So if you're going to the island, you don't need all the fancy amenities because the amenity is. There's no rules and we can do anything here.

[Mark]

You want to go skinny dip? Sure. You want to do drugs out in the open? Do it.

[Alex]

It's like, like when we're kids, you build a treehouse or something like that. It's this idea that you have a space and there's nobody there watching. You can do whatever the you want. That's what old. You know, this is what these billionaires are doing. So the question is, if you're not going to make it fancy in this, like ultra luxurious Experience. It's not a. The Amman. Right. If it's just a place that has beds and sleep and some food, what is there that's bringing the people there?

[Mark]

What's the value prop.

[Joey]

What was that big square thing? That's the color of the Israeli flag.

[Alex]

Oh, the mosque. Yeah.

[Joey]

What is that?

[Mark]

It's a empty temple with nothing in it.

[Alex]

That was the wildest wrinkle where they found, like, there was like, a piece of the cloth that covers the cabba at Mecca. Yeah, like some. They gifted it to him or something in the store.

[Mark]

It was the huge. Was using as like a. Like a. On his foot rug or whatever. Prayer rug. No, that he was using as like. This is a story. I don't know if this is true, but it's extremely sacrilegious if it is, that he was using it on like a. Like a floor mat.

[Alex]

Oh, my God.

[Mark]

That's what the story was. I saw on Twitter someone fact checked me on that.

[Joey]

But Muslims come for. Yeah, no, but what was that structure? Like, what happened in there?

[Mark]

No one knows. There was a building, an outhouse, a shed.

[Joey]

But, like, it's empty inside. Like, is it furnished? Like, what. It's just.

[Alex]

They did Invisalign. That's where they were doing the whole thing was a dental operation.

[Miles]

It wasn't even finished inside. Like, it was like, partial walls. And on the inside.

[Joey]

Oh, they weren't done. Okay.

[Miles]

Or that out.

[Alex]

And then we see. Exactly.

[Mark]

They busted it down. They built it to make it look crazy. I don't know. I also think there's an element of, like, the satanic ritual abuse stuff that I've heard people say this. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't even know necessarily how prevalent satanic rituals abuse is. Like, this kind of got, like, kicked off with, like, the satanic panic through the 80s and then kind of got, like written off like, oh, this is just like, you know, mentally deluded people or schizophrenic people with these crazy delusions that are not true.

[Joey]

And then your guy bust into that spot in Cali.

[Mark]

Wait, which guy?

[Joey]

The. The one we had on the podcast with the weird voice. You were just quoting him? No, fat guy. We had him in a pot crazy dude conspiracy theory somewhere.

[Mark]

Alex Jones.

[Joey]

Alex Jones, yeah. And he busted into that place, same.

[Mark]

First name as you, and you couldn't.

[Alex]

All right. Yeah.

[Mark]

He. He snuck in a. Bohemian Grove.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And saw this ritual. It's difficult to say necessarily of what was happening in Bohemian Grove. Was like, Ritual abuse. It's possible, but I don't think he necessarily documented, like, children being sacrificed or sexually abused. With that said, part of me goes, is this done to pull poison the well? To make these claims seem so absurd?

[Joey]

Is what done?

[Mark]

Like, satanic ritual abuse? Like, it's possible that these people are interfacing with, like, a spiritual satanic force that controls the whole world. I'll leave room for that. I'm less moved by that theory. I'm more moved by the idea that these people do these things in a ritualistic way that seems absurd and theatric, so that if someone ever snitches on them, they go, what are you telling me? There was, like, all these famous people and there was a fire and everyone was dressed up like, this is obviously absurd, but it allows them to get away with it with some impunity because the story is so crazy. And then, not to mention the victims of any type of sexual abuse typically have trauma from it. And if they stay in the system long enough, they oftentimes will develop, like, you know, emotional attachment issues, you know, chemical dependence on drugs or alcohol. And that also affects their faculties later on, so that their testimony of what happened to them is even more stripped from reality. So you basically have this pool of the most vulnerable people in our society that can be abused with impunity because 20 years down the line, when they go to testify, nobody will believe them. No one believes them. Their story is crazy. There's holes and there's gaps in the stories because potentially they were on drugs when it happened, or they had a substance abuse issue after it happened, after they survived this trauma. And then on top of that, you have a suspension society that's like, ah, these be lying. So all that. And then on top of that, it's like, oh, they signed a deal that they would basically not testify against Epstein in 2008, because that's a part of his settlement with them, and that they can't say anything and implicate anyone else. So you have all of these things. You have the legal system going against you, you have the court of public opinion going against you, and you have, I mean, straight up, like, biology and physiology in your own psychology, psychology being done against you through this trauma. So I'm like, yeah, why are women not coming out about it now? Like, look at Virginia Giuffre. She got killed. She is dead.

[Joey]

And suicide.

[Mark]

She might.

[Miles]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, I did I say she got killed?

[Mark]

I said, yeah, she's dead. Sorry.

[Alex]

I mean, it is wild. Like, the most Famous one who comes out, just ends up killing Sean.

[Miles]

What was his name? Brunel.

[Mark]

Jean Le Brunel. Yeah. Also kill himself.

[Miles]

Suicide.

[Alex]

And what was Brunel again? He was the wrangler.

[Mark]

He was connected and had like a fashion house in Paris and then was close allies with.

[Alex]

So that's the other thing. It's like if you're a. If you're a congressman, you got to be worried about them taking you out. And at first, they're not going to take you out directly. Right. They're going to try to malign you and destroy your reputation and, you know, get the Internet to come for you and just try to do whatever they can to strip you of your power. If you can get past that, then you got to be worried about them just straight up killing you. And that's. If you're a sitting member of Congress. If you're a girl that has been trafficked for her not only adult, but like juvenile life, they already think of you as disposable. You can't even imagine what they would do. And you would hope that your lawyer would have some sort of protection. But there's also a version where it's just like, what law agency is taking this claim up, knowing full well the people they're going up against, you don't think that they're getting some nods and some phone calls like, hey, it would be in your best interest not to take. Take up this case. Yeah.

[Mark]

Which is why I think, like, the material conditions that underline all this, like wealth inequality and all that is something that should be acknowledged because Epstein was able to do so much of what he did. He was able to travel on a private jet to a private island to commit crimes because he was rich. He was able to meet and connect with all these really powerful people because he was rich and just aggrandize more power. When these victims were doing these things and taking these modeling contracts and in many ways were being. Being coerced because of their.

[Alex]

They had nothing.

[Mark]

Their financial conditions, they weren't able to get lawyers because they were poor. The other people that were surrounded from.

[Alex]

Their families, they were.

[Mark]

They were intimidated. Coerced.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

They couldn't get legal support. And then all the other people surrounding this, that all are hush about it, are also hushed because the material conditions put them in a position where they need the money and they're not going to speak out against generational wealth for their family.

[Alex]

Also, they're in a very peculiar situation where it's like, if they do speak out about it, they indict themselves. Themselves.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Right. So it's going to take somebody who's willing for the whole world to be like you aided and abetted pedophiles in the destruction of children. That being said, by doing it you maybe get to expose it. So it's not, you're not going to be ever looked at as a hero. But it is a brave act that doesn't take away from the horrible destruction you did, but it does. Before you die, you get to at least do one good thing. But then you go, okay, well those people now have families. They, they have kids in school. Like what happens? So all these people that ate it embedded, that might not even be doing that. They might even be in the business anymore. They might be selling insurance somewhere, they might have a fucking coffee shop somewhere. But they know what they were part of. Are they going to speak up? Are they going to stay silent till their name is revealed? Think about it.

[Miles]

There's a woman going through that right now. She's a former New York City based da and she's the one who like argued for Epstein to have a lower level of sexual, whatever that's called.

[Mark]

Charge.

[Miles]

Charge. Basically so that he would either be like a sex predator for a year on the list or for like his whole life levels within it. She argued it should be lower, yada yada. And then she's backed out of the DA and like got herself out of it. Cuz her name's all over the list and it's like, was she. It was a compartmentalized. Was she aware? Was someone talking to her? In her ear? It's a tough thing to navigate. Was she a bad person?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Doing bad stuff.

[Alex]

I don't know what, what person argues for you to have a lesser charge for trafficking children?

[Miles]

The argument is she only had the data in front of her from the Florida thing. And in the Florida thing it's a super light charge. So she's arguing. Yeah, it should be fine. But apparently if you look into her past and her history, she's attached to Weinstein and all these other things. There's people in the files who are actively changing the. Their lives right now.

[Joey]

Yeah, Some guy bought Epstein Island. Did you guys go?

[Alex]

Would I go to the island? No.

[Joey]

I mean now it's not Epstein. Now wait, now it's just an island.

[Mark]

Well, who buys it though?

[Joey]

That's what I'm saying. What if it's. What if it's a cool guy, A cool billionaire? I'm just saying. Why don't you just go in General, some guy bought. Bought it.

[Mark]

I mean, for what purpose am I going? What's the. What is it? What is the condition?

[Joey]

Hey, this is like. This is the new saint parts.

[Mark]

Do I get to investigate? Can I get to go around and check out the bunkers and report all of it on?

[Joey]

No, I'm pretty sure everything's knocked down. It's just new. It's just like.

[Miles]

Oh, no.

[Joey]

They just.

[Alex]

If I get to go do like.

[Miles]

A cool YouTube documentary, explored around. Like that guy, I don't remember his name on YouTube, did this where he's stuck on the island in 2023. And that's where we get a lot of the images.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Hell yeah.

[Miles]

That's awesome. You're like a part of an uncovering. You're part of the.

[Mark]

Yeah. Getting the information out there is fire. Yeah, but just to go part in an island, bro, at this point, I'm good. I got a kid.

[Joey]

What did the island do to you?

[Alex]

Dude, you are Puerto Rican, bro.

[Mark]

Like, islands are beautiful. Nothing wrong with an island, you know.

[Alex]

Really? The ladies island was there before Epstein.

[Mark]

Exactly, exactly.

[Alex]

You got to pull a Billie Eilish, dude.

[Mark]

No one's a sex trafficker on stolen land. You know what I mean? Come on. Come on.

[Alex]

That's a good point. Are you never going to go to Germany? You know, you're never going to go to Poland?

[Mark]

No, you got to. You got to give it some time. You got to give it some time.

[Alex]

You got to sit on the island for a little bit. Yeah, you can't build anything there. What do you even put there? What could you put there too?

[Joey]

Yeah, we got to at least wait 18 years.

[Mark]

Exactly. 420. I mean, we don't need to put that specific. A number.

[Joey]

But I'm just saying we. Silly or not.

[Alex]

Our topic be silly. But you're finding it, though.

[Mark]

I actually respect this effort immensely.

[Alex]

True.

[Mark]

I do.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

But I mean, no, I'm probably not going to go. Probably going to skip on that one.

[Alex]

Has there been anybody who went to the island that described their experience?

[Mark]

Yeah. Who? I think Brett Weinstein. I don't know if he went specific with the island, but he met with Epstein and has been like very forthcoming with the entire. The nature of their conversation.

[Alex]

And what did he say?

[Mark]

Basically like Epstein just had an interest in. I mean, this is again, paraphrased.

[Alex]

I don't. He had a hilarious thing. He was talking about the way that they were speaking about non Jews in the Epstein files. Did you see his tweet about that? And he's like, I've known Jews my entire life, grew up with Jews. We have never spoken about non Jews like this once ever. This has never happened. This is something completely unique to Epstein and his cronies. This has never happened. This happened, has never. And it's just like, dude, just watch Jackie Mason's comedy. It's not that crazy. This is what people did back in the 70s. You're just like, this is our group. And other groups are different, and we'll make fun of them because of it. I grew up in a Jewish family with many Jewish friends. There was Jewish pride. But I never once heard anything like the derisive, exclusionary talk in the Epstein files. It is grotesque. Anti American, anti Western. There's no place in our society, especially near power. That is true. But to say you never heard that.

[Mark]

Yeah, sounds like a go to me, dude.

[Alex]

He's just spitting goy slop.

[Mark]

Because now everyone uses goy. You know what I mean? We've kind of reclaimed our word. We've taken it back, dude.

[Alex]

We finally found a word for white people that were offended by really. Black people have been trying to do this for years. It's just.

[Joey]

Oh, I gotta tell all my people.

[Alex]

Just start. Start calling white dudes goy. Yeah, that hit. That's our N word. For real? Yeah, it is. Now the problem is you're also a goy.

[Joey]

No, no, no.

[Alex]

What do you mean?

[Joey]

She said no. I don't want to be that.

[Alex]

You are a. You're a big old.

[Mark]

You're an island goy.

[Alex]

That's what you are.

[Mark]

You're a goy, dude. You're a little goyum. You're a little goy cattle. Did you like the Super Bowl? Watching a little goy slope. Just eating it up N.

[Joey]

Chris Tucker. I think he spoke about it.

[Alex]

What he.

[Joey]

About his time on the island. Can we find that?

[Mark]

Cuz I think also as an ad.

[Joey]

He went on the plane a few times.

[Mark]

It was Eric. We son that talks about it, not.

[Alex]

Not Brett. Eric got it.

[Mark]

Brett may have talked about it also, but the guy I'm talking about specifically was Eric.

[Joey]

I blame Epstein for the reason why we never got another Rush Hour.

[Alex]

But aren't we getting one now, bro?

[Mark]

Did you see Jackie Chan talking about Rush Hour?

[Alex]

No.

[Mark]

Just so funny. John Khan is doing an interview talking about Rush Hour. And he's like, I went and I did this movie. I'm not gonna do the accent. He's like, I went and I did this movie. And it was the worst movie I'd Ever read. I thought it was a terrible script. And then my agent calls me and goes, the movie's number one. They want to do a sequel. Immediately I was like, what? And then we did the sequel. He's like, I just don't understand American humor. American jokes make no sense to me. Never touch a black guy's radio. Why he's white. He did the whole movie. Three of them didn't understand anything. Jackie Chan has no idea why it's funny.

[Alex]

Maybe that's why it's funny. Yeah, dude, he was acting dramatically.

[Mark]

Yeah, he wasn't acting, bro. It's unbelievable. Oh, man.

[Alex]

All right, let's see what Chris Tucker got to say. You know, we flew Bill Clinton and a lot of different. Well, that was a humanitarian trip to Africa. Africa. And I. I met him on that trip because it was his plane. I didn't know who plane we was getting on, but it was a whole.

[Mark]

Bunch of dignitary people who's with a delegation. And, yeah, I met him.

[Alex]

And, you know, you don't know people, what they do with their private lives.

[Mark]

So, yeah, tell me that he was on this private plane, and you could.

[Alex]

Tell that it was a private plane.

[Mark]

Because they called it.

[Alex]

What?

[Mark]

This looks Malika Express. Oh, yeah. It was a private plane. Yes. Oh, yes.

[Alex]

Wait a minute.

[Mark]

You didn't never go to that island, did you? No, no, no, no, no.

[Joey]

Oh, I thought he. My bad. I thought he talked about. But I thought he was on the plane multiple times.

[Mark]

With all due respect. Who is he talking to? Is he talking like the bad guy and true detective.

[Alex]

But he's on Instagram live getting interviewed about the Epstein.

[Mark]

So you went to the plane. Chris is like, yeah, man, I went. I jumped on the plane. It's like, this is news.

[Alex]

I'm just.

[Joey]

Why would you do black scent but you won't do Asian accent?

[Mark]

Come on, bro, because I'm trying to get on snl. I don't want to do Asian accent. You know what I mean? You can do blacks, and that's fine.

[Joey]

That's fine.

[Mark]

All the black people are Americans. All right. Asians. Wow. Dig.

[Alex]

Yeah, keep digging.

[Mark]

Yo, shut up, boy.

[Alex]

Yeah, you got a sex.

[Joey]

He just said to all ages, they're fake citizens.

[Mark]

P. Jake Paul. No, I don't know why. Why is that? I guess I wasn't. Cuz. Yeah, no, I didn't really have a leg to stand on here.

[Joey]

Go ahead, hold.

[Mark]

Let me thank. I might be doing a Puerto Rican accent. Who's really to say y.

[Alex]

So you went on a plane.

[Mark]

Who went is that guy?

[Miles]

So we're going to have someone break all this down for us next week in a much better way.

[Mark]

Exactly. We're going to get the guy that interviewed Chris Tucker.

[Alex]

He's going to get to the bottom of it.

[Mark]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joey]

I do want to know the real, though. Like, I think. Well, you know a lot, but I still think it's like, surface level. I want to know the real.

[Alex]

What is the real.

[Joey]

Reading all these documents, That's.

[Alex]

What's the real.

[Joey]

Real, like, who actually read the documents. That's. That's what I want to know.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Miles]

It'll also be awesome to see if Thomas Massey starts naming in the next week.

[Alex]

Yeah. What does he have to lose outside of getting murdered? Like, what does he have to lose by doing it outside of that? Not much.

[Miles]

I mean, his family, but, like, I don't know.

[Mark]

Yeah, I mean, his life, his reputation. They'll find a hard drive on his computer that's like, oh, look what we found on your place. Isn't that crazy? You were projecting him this whole time.

[Alex]

People, this dirty game, wouldn't they have already done that?

[Joey]

That's what I'm saying.

[Alex]

Now that he's.

[Joey]

He's clean. He know. He knows he's a dirty game.

[Mark]

I don't know.

[Alex]

I don't know.

[Mark]

You go up against the institutional powers that be, they have many ways to take you down. I don't know.

[Alex]

But then he would have stopped already. It seems like he wants to do it. Him, Ambrose, I think if they did it.

[Miles]

Man, just start naming on the Congress floor.

[Alex]

You're saying, yeah, like. Like, are you. You're a hero now. Granted, you have to make sure that these things are investigated. What if they're. Who do you trust to investigate? That's also the thing. It's like, who do you trust to investigate? How can you make sure that they're actually investigated? I'm sure that's what the FBI is saying. It's like, oh, the reason why we're redacting is because there's a current investigation into this. It's like, oh, is there a current one? Have you been investigating this for the last fucking 20 years? Is that what's happening?

[Joey]

Oh, yeah. Didn't they, like, open up another investigation just so they can, like, not release certain.

[Alex]

I would be surprised.

[Joey]

I remember, like, right before they were gonna release it. Yeah, they, like, opened up another investigation.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

And then there's all these people that, like. I basically was saying this thing on camp where I was like, yeah, I just, like, what do I do? Like, what do you do with this information? Like, how do you react? Like, knowing that the world is run by the most evil people ever. Like, how do you deal with that? And I was like, you focus on what you can control. And then people were mad. They were like, no, man, you can't do that. You gotta speak out, you gotta revolt. What does that mean? Like, I. The people I talk to don't want to, like, destroy everything. Don't want to, like, protest. People are expecting that. People want that to happen.

[Joey]

I was gonna make a bad joke. It's like, I mean, it's the same way. You still go to the Catholic Church every time.

[Mark]

So they got rid of those people. They moved them to a different parish.

[Joey]

I'm sure they just all stopped being pedophiles.

[Mark]

Exactly.

[Alex]

Well, the Catholic Church is a good example. It's like, let's say that they didn't. Let's say they didn't just move them to a different parish. Is it called a parish? Yeah, let's say they didn't. Let's say they locked them all up. The Catholic Church still exists. The institution still exists. And I think that there is this. Like, you even heard Massey and Roe talking about it. Like, you know, if these names come out, we could look at the implosion of foreign governments, all this other stuff, and it's. I don't know if that happens. Like, I think a lot of these people in positions of power, we replace them regular, early. So we can replace these people. And the whole idea of democracy, if we're actually going to have one, is that people are replaced. We don't want Pelosi in there for 60 years. Right? We don't want these lifers. We want people to be in and out, ideally. And the new people are coming in reflecting the problems of the people currently, not people that are talking about managing or maintaining the status quo because it just benefits them and their cronies. So the idea of, like, the system imploding, I don't think the same system implodes. I think that you get a new version of people who are running the system. And they will ultimately, if they're not already ready, be corrupted, of course. And then those people need to be shedded again. And that's just how it goes. I mean, because when we don't shed the people in charge, if you look at the countries that have these, like, dictators for long periods of time, it just gets more and more corrupt. Like, absolute power corrupts. What is it a power corrupts Absolute power corrupts absolutely or whatever the answer is. Animal Farm quote is. But. So, yeah, this idea, like, everything falls apart. I don't know if it does. Oh, the CEO of some bank needs to step down. Okay. What, does the bank also close? No. Right. People are gonna still pay their mortgage. The bank's gonna still lend out money that they just print and the system continues. Yeah.

[Joey]

At the end of the day, at least there'll be justice.

[Alex]

That's what I. That's what I hope for. But this idea, like, we can't. What if we let these names out? The whole. There'll be a global financial collapse and governments will fall apart.

[Joey]

The.

[Alex]

It's like, no, they won't, actually.

[Joey]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, every four, eight years, we have a new dude that just goes in and takes charge of the most powerful country in the world. It's kind of like an insane concept. Right. You don't think we can manage locking up a couple of these pedophiles? Yeah, lock them up. It seems like. It seems like a stoking fear to pacify the public.

[Mark]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, for too big a fail thing, it's like we're just going to bail them out. Because the alternative would be disaster.

[Alex]

Disaster very bad. He's like, oh, will it? Well, let's try it out. Let's try it out and see. Yeah, I'd imagine we'd be pretty resilient knowing that powerful people were given justice for their heinous crimes. Yeah, I'd imagine that we'd be okay with. I don't think that we'd be. I don't think we'd be riding in the streets if we know that there was justice that was given to them. Yeah. I think we might be riding the streets if we know that they were avoiding justice.

[Mark]

Another cover up. Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Mark]

I don't know if Epstein's dead or not, but I know he's in hell, and he's proven to me that we're all in hell with him.

[Alex]

You know what I mean?

[Mark]

Just looking around like, all right, what do we do? This whole thing is run by the worst people ever. All right. It makes me sad, but the super bowl was good, you know, at least we got that.

[Miles]

The circus was good.

[Alex]

That scared me a little bit.

[Mark]

No. Super.

[Alex]

Well, all right, guys. We're going to go on a patreon. Talk about to Tony A.O. and Uncle murder. Ja rule. Yeah. Okay.

[Joey]

Before Mark slits his wrist.

[Alex]

Love y'. All. Appreciate y' all hang with us over there.

[Mark]

Peace.