Roasting Met Gala, Last of Us goes Gay, & F1 is IS America

Summary

Podcast Summary: Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh – "Roasting Met Gala, Last of Us goes Gay, & F1 is IS America"

Release Date: May 7, 2025

In this fiery episode of Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh, hosts Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh, alongside Mark Gagnon and AlexxMedia, delve into a whirlwind of topics ranging from pop culture controversies to international politics. True to the show's unapologetic and unruly style, the hosts deliver their hot takes with sharp wit and unfiltered honesty. This summary captures the essence of their discussions, highlighting key points, notable quotes, and insightful analyses.

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1. Opening Banter and Rivalries (00:00 – 05:01)

The episode kicks off with the hosts engaging in their signature playful banter. Mark and Sanchez discuss their recent paddle games, teasing each other about performance and rivalries. This light-hearted exchange sets the tone for the episode, showcasing the camaraderie and competitive spirit among the hosts.

Notable Quote:

• Mark (00:00): "I played with Mark the other day."
• Sanchez (01:15): "Damn, bro. What the."

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2. Last of Us Goes Gay (05:01 – 24:00)

A. Analysis of Representation

The discussion shifts to the highly acclaimed TV adaptation of The Last of Us, particularly focusing on its portrayal of LGBTQ characters. Suspecting that the inclusion feels forced, Sanchez critiques the authenticity of the narrative.

Notable Quote:

• Sanchez (05:12): "There's a lot of things going on. Also, they didn't need to show the fingering scene. That was a little much."

B. Hollywood's Diversity Dilemma

Sanchez elaborates on Hollywood's reactive approach to diversity, arguing that initial brave moves—like those in "Brokeback Mountain"—often pave the way for subsequent, less authentic portrayals aimed primarily at financial gain rather than genuine representation.

Notable Quote:

• Sanchez (07:12): "Jordan Peele's stories really work because they're like, authentic, right?"

C. Authenticity vs. Commercialization

The hosts debate whether current depictions of marginalized stories in media are driven by authentic narratives or merely by corporations seeking profitability through perceived social responsibility.

Notable Quote:

• Sanchez (08:22): "When the force shit happens, we go, ah, this is stupid. And then we find reasons, we justify the blame."

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3. Roasting the Met Gala (24:00 – 73:41)

A. Purpose and Perception

The Met Gala, a premier fashion event, becomes the focal point as the hosts dissect its true intent. They argue that beyond being a fundraiser, it's a platform for rich and famous individuals to showcase themselves, often leading to extravagant and sometimes controversial fashion choices.

Notable Quote:

• Sanchez (51:14): "They make fundraisers as an excuse for rich and fancy people to celebrate themselves."

B. Critique of Fashion Choices

The hosts mock specific outfits, highlighting instances where historical figures are represented in inappropriate or exaggerated ways. This includes discussions about outfits mimicking civil rights leaders, leading to debates about respect and artistic license in fashion.

Notable Quote:

• Al (55:14): "So Rosa Parks is in her vagina?"
• Sanchez (55:15): "What do you think, with all due respect to Lisa, do you think the lips are dark?"

C. Societal Implications

Beyond fashion, the discussion touches on how such events perpetuate exclusivity and societal divisions, allowing the public to both admire and critique the elite's display of wealth and style.

Notable Quote:

• Sanchez (52:56): "These designers are trying to do the most provocative, ridiculous things."

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4. Formula One: America’s Greatest Live Sporting Event (73:41 – 113:00)

A. The Allure of F1

Mark passionately advocates for Formula One (F1), declaring it the greatest live sporting event. The hosts discuss F1's blend of peak athleticism, technical prowess, and global spectacle, drawing comparisons to other sports like NASCAR and basketball.

Notable Quote:

• Mark (32:57): "Formula one, the greatest live sporting event in existence."
• Sanchez (33:06): "Look at that tire change. This is in slow mo."

B. Technical Fascination

The conversation delves into the intricacies of F1 racing—from tire changes to engine swaps—emphasizing the rapid teamwork and precision required to succeed in the sport.

Notable Quote:

• Sanchez (43:07): "The engineers and the people working on the cars... a spaceship that can be completely rebuilt in a matter of seconds."

C. Accessibility and Exclusivity

The hosts debate F1's exclusivity, noting its high costs and limited accessibility compared to more mainstream American sports. They ponder whether the sport's grandeur justifies its elitist nature.

Notable Quote:

• Al (42:18): "So even if you wanted to, you couldn't do F1."

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5. International Politics: Burkina Faso Coup and Colonial Legacy (73:41 – 113:00)

A. Background of Burkina Faso

The hosts shift gears to discuss the recent political upheaval in Burkina Faso, detailing the country's history of French colonization, resource exploitation, and ongoing military coups.

Notable Quote:

• Al (74:00): "The French basically colonized them and started taking all the resources."

B. Rise of Ibrahim Traore

Ibrahim Traore's ascent to power through a coup is examined, highlighting his attempts to nationalize resources and combat jihadist threats, despite facing internal and external challenges.

Notable Quote:

• Sanchez (75:29): "He's nationalizing the gold. We're kicking all the jihadists out."

C. International Influence and Future Implications

The discussion probes into Burkina Faso's strategic partnerships, notably with Russia, and the broader implications for African geopolitics. The hosts contemplate whether such authoritarian shifts could serve as a model—or a cautionary tale—for other nations seeking stability and resource control.

Notable Quote:

• Al (83:37): "Russia's like, hey, you've been screwed over by the French. We're helping you out."

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6. The Rat Utopia Experiment and Societal Reflections (113:00 – 125:00)

A. Overview of the Experiment

The hosts recount John Calhoun's "Universe 25" experiment, which explored the effects of overpopulation on social behavior among rats. As resources remained abundant, social structures began to break down, leading to aggression, cannibalism, and societal collapse.

Notable Quote:

• Al (115:57): "There was a naming it a rat utopia."

B. Parallels to Human Society

Drawing parallels to modern urban centers and societal issues like the rise of hikikomori in Japan, the hosts reflect on how proximity and overpopulation can strain social interactions, leading to increased aggression and social detachment.

Notable Quote:

• Al (119:10): "Hikikomori... these people just live in extreme isolation."

C. Epigenetics and Behavioral Legacy

Sanchez introduces the concept of epigenetics, discussing how environmental factors and societal stressors can influence behavioral traits passed down through generations, potentially mirroring the maladaptive behaviors observed in the rat experiment.

Notable Quote:

• Al (123:04): "Epigenetics is like passing on genes having traits in your young that are environmentally influenced."

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7. Concluding Thoughts and Reflections (125:00 – End)

In the episode's closing segments, the hosts synthesize their discussions on societal breakdown, authoritarianism, and the fragility of social constructs. They ponder the balance between maintaining societal order and fostering authentic, inclusive communities amidst global challenges.

Notable Quote:

• Sanchez (126:26): "We need to treat it like a race."
• Al (127:03): "We owe it to the audience, bro. We got to step it up."

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Final Remarks

This episode of Flagrant masterfully intertwines pop culture critiques with deep dives into political and social issues. The hosts' ability to oscillate between humor and serious analysis provides listeners with both entertainment and food for thought. Whether dissecting the authenticity of LGBTQ representations in popular media, roasting the opulence of the Met Gala, championing Formula One, or exploring the geopolitical turmoil in Burkina Faso, Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh deliver a compelling and unvarnished discourse that aligns perfectly with the podcast's bold and brash identity.

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Note: Advertisements, product promotions, and non-content segments were excluded from this summary to focus solely on the episode's substantive discussions.

Transcript

[Mark]

I played with Mark the other day.

[Sanchez]

Paddle. Yeah, Sanchez.

[Mark]

Pure ass.

[Al]

What's interesting is Al might not have been the weakest link.

[Mark]

Vala wasn't bad.

[Sanchez]

So Vala's still the worst? No, Vala plays every day. There's no way. Oh, God. Oh, God.

[Mark]

He is gonna watch this and be crushing.

[Sanchez]

He's been working so hard.

[Al]

I know.

[Sanchez]

He plays all the time. He's on group chats. He's developing, like, paddle culture stuff. And you have a baby, you take seven months off and you wipe the floor with him. Now he's damaged to one of his legs. Was that present at all when?

[Al]

Both.

[Sanchez]

And he's not even here.

[Al]

I wish he was. Can we call him Saul?

[Sanchez]

Dude, yo, Mark is talking. He said you busted your ass and paddle. Stop. Stop. No, no, they're, they're. No, he's full of. First of all, I won with everyone I played with. That's not true.

[Al]

He played with Al. And they got Bagel, too.

[Sanchez]

He lost 62 because it was Alex. Mark said he came on the pod and he goes, I think Vala has nerve damage in both legs. That's what he said. I did not say, that's up. And he knew you weren't, so he knew he could talk shit without you doing your act outs. Let's set it up when I'm back on Wednesday. Let's set it up. All right, dude, we'll set it up. All right.

[Al]

Love you.

[Sanchez]

Bye.

[Al]

Bye, Ball.

[Sanchez]

Damn. You and Bala got, like, an interesting rivalry. What's that about, you think?

[Al]

I, I, I think.

[Sanchez]

Shifty is not allowed to have joy today. Shifty, we're being sad and bitter today.

[Al]

Yes, that's true.

[Sanchez]

Okay, Shifty's about to have the youngest hip and leg transplant in history. Something Vol should have done two decades ago. And he's today bitter, sad day. And then once we process all this bitter and sadness, we move on. But if you find Shifty laughing throughout the episode, we have to stop the pilot and acknowledge it.

[Mark]

Yo, but do it after the summertime. Don't do it now.

[Al]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Sanchez]

What do you mean?

[Al]

He's in pain? He's in chronic pain.

[Sanchez]

Every day, walk it off for a couple. Walking it off for a year. He got hit by a car twice. This idiot.

[Al]

Company'S denying defending insurance company Brian Thompson again. 100%. He's about to go at him, bro. I'm telling you, Shifty, no more joy.

[Sanchez]

Can we get a cam on Shifty? Can we get a joy cam on Shifty?

[Al]

He's In a Luigi vibe, doesn't he? Shifty's got super Luigi coded.

[Sanchez]

Oh, he does kind of look like it. Okay, Shifty, can you tell us why you were giggling when I said that Vala and Mark have a little rivalry. Can you tell us that, please? In the most sad, sardonic way possible.

[Al]

Mark, you remember when you crushed Vala's sushi in front of him? Wait, what happened?

[Sanchez]

We were filming that video for the.

[Al]

Toronto promo and we're all eating out there and Vala said something smart to you and you didn't have a slick comeback or anything, so you just took your thumb and he was eating sushi and he was all happy and you mushed his sushi. And Vala went from laughing like haha to truly serious. So mad. And then Mark, where did I learn that?

[Sanchez]

From you about it. Sometimes you don't need a slick comeback. Sometimes you need to put your palm in somebody's suit sushi platter and it works just as good.

[Al]

Okay? No.

[Sanchez]

Mark.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

You become a tyrant.

[Al]

No, Ballet always starts it. I don't like this idea that I'm bullying Vala. Okay.

[Sanchez]

Mark said. Mark said he mushed your sushi one day. You didn't do.

[Al]

Mark said.

[Sanchez]

He walked up to your sushi platter and he put his thumb in your spicy tuna roll and mushed it and you did nothing. You sat there and took it. No, no, no.

[Al]

I've been waiting for him to have.

[Sanchez]

A kid so I can push this. Damn, bro. You have to go full pocket stuff. I know.

[Mark]

He just gossiped your kids.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, bro, why you going after the kids? Damn. This is. I got to hang up before this gets too serious. Jesus. We were just having fun and this guy went nuclear. You can't. Hey, listen. Free cashmere, bro. I get it now. Hindustan. I get it now. Hindustan.

[Mark]

Damn.

[Sanchez]

Damn, bro. What the.

[Al]

He's a wild dude.

[Sanchez]

That he's still upset about that sushi. Yeah.

[Al]

Love 40, bro. That's. That's me and Paula's whole relationship.

[Sanchez]

You had him love 40. Yeah.

[Al]

Just in life. You know what I mean? It's just love 40. I'm just a point away from decimating.

[Sanchez]

Just love 40.

[Mark]

That is so fun. That is a bar though. I am going to use that.

[Sanchez]

I think it's 40. Love though. You're serving, right?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

That's your point.

[Mark]

Why did I do that?

[Sanchez]

I mean, love 40. Doesn't it sounds like he's losing.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah, but it was still fine.

[Sanchez]

We got it. We got it. We got it. We got It. But obviously now that everybody listens to the podcast is a. Is a, you know, paddle aficionado about that. Oh, guys. Okay, so what was gayer last night? Last of us or the Met Gala? What do you want to talk about?

[Al]

Oh, well, can you explain Last of Us.

[Sanchez]

Yo, can I tell you something about this? So the. The video game was that had like a lesbian thing in it and you.

[Al]

Had to do the mission Gay.

[Sanchez]

You have to do it.

[Al]

You gay.

[Sanchez]

That's really funny. They don't shifty. You're laughing and feeling joyful again. I don't like you laughing, feeling joyful.

[Mark]

Are you upset that the TV show is aggregate to the game and they.

[Sanchez]

No upset.

[Mark]

Why is it the first gay Met.

[Sanchez]

Gala on his show? But it might be positive. Look how gay the world is.

[Al]

Yes. Finally.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Okay.

[Al]

Look at this gay. He's sitting.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, look at me. You think I'm going to be upset at gay shit? 40 love. Suck it. 40 love sounds better. So no, like. Okay, so I had a thought about it while I'm watching the Last of Us because I played the video game. It was obviously very traumatic for me when the little lesbian girl started making out and having sex because I've known Ellie the character, since she was a teenager. I don't want to watch this girl. It's like a daughter to me practically, you know, now she's a fully grown lesbian and she's just fingering somebody dirty on horseback for four days, no shower. There's a lot of things going on. Also, they didn't need to show the fingering scene. That was a little much. I know I'm becoming an old man. See, but like, she's not even a seasoned lesbian. Like, doesn't even unbuckle her belt.

[Al]

What does she do?

[Sanchez]

She's like pulling at the jeans, trying to stuff the hand underneath. Her wrist is all caught. It's crazy.

[Al]

Like a puppet.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, you can't do that. Anyway, so, yeah, so I was watching it and I'm curious you guys thought of it. Okay, you know how like, Hollywood, okay, Hollywood wants to make money. We understand this is the point of Hollywood, right? And then, like, sometimes there's virtuous people caught up in every industry and they start, like, putting justifications on their actions. Like we all do that. Make them seem a little bit like more benevolent. Right? Fair enough. So. But in my experience, Hollywood is very reactive. Like, a movie about ice skating does really well. There'll be five more ice skating movies, right? Horror movies do well. They go, okay. Horror is it R rated comedy does well. Okay, let's make R rated comedy. So what I think is happening with like, the. The you call Di or, you know, like trans stories or gay stories, whatever it is. Like, what I think has happened is there was some very brave filmmakers like Brokeback Mountain, that could have been a huge fucking flop, right? You put this movie out, they're like, hold on, gay cowboys. Like, who's gonna go watch this? And despite the fact that it could have been a huge flop, they, the actors in it were brave for doing it. It's not like there's like all this reward for doing a gay scene at the time. Like, you could look at those characters and be like, ah, they're gay now. I don't want to see them in action.

[Al]

It's your role in Hollywood.

[Sanchez]

It's courageous.

[Mark]

Okay?

[Sanchez]

The movie, just as a theory movie, does really well because it's a good movie, but it's also like brave and courageous, right? The Hollywood industry reacts and goes, oh, that makes money. Let's do the gay, okay? And then the executives lower level start going, we have to share these marginalized stories. We have to do it. And they might actually believe that shit. But at the top, they're just reacting to whatever is successful. Once the top is forcing in stories that they don't actually really care about, they're just doing to make money. The people see it as forced. If it's an authentic, pure story. Doesn't matter if it's gay or not or it's DEI or not. Like Jordan Poole. Shit isn't dei. We just like it because it's cool. Jordan Peele, right? Yeah.

[Mark]

Stephen Pool.

[Sanchez]

Sorry, Jordan. Yeah, my bad, My bad, Jordan. One of them is. One of them is a really good. So Jordan. Jordan's Peel stories really work because they're like, authentic, right? And the crowd reacts to it because they're authentic. It doesn't feel forced. When the force shit happens, we go, ah, this is stupid. And then we find reasons, we justify the blame, why it sucks. We're like, oh, this is di. This is the other. No, no, it's just inauthentic.

[Al]

It's late. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And it's no longer rebellious. It's no longer shocking. It's no longer different. It just feels like they're cashing in on this idea. Here's the problem. When the tech industry wants to, like, cure cancer, they do it for money. And they're very open about it. They're like, we think we can make money curing cancer. Like this drug might help it or whatever it is. We can use AI to, like, locate it early and then remove it, whatever. If it can't make money, they're like, all right, we can't deploy cash towards that. Hollywood has already made their bed with. We're doing this because it's important to share marginalized stories. Once those stories stop making money, the execs at the top are like, damn, we already told everybody we're doing this because it's beneficial to the world, when in reality, we're just doing it to make money. So now we can't exactly pivot off of it too fast, because then it's going to expose the lie that we were doing this for some benevolent reason in the first place. Thoughts?

[Al]

Yeah. I mean, Bezos has a quote where he. It went viral on Twitter recently where he was like, in order to get outsized gains, you have to bat against conventional wisdom.

[Sanchez]

Yes.

[Al]

So, like, if you go against the grain, you're gonna strike out nine times, but if you hit it, you have potentially a thousand X reward. And so I think that happens in the film industry. We're going against conventionalism. Let's make a gay cowboy movie. It goes crazy. And then, of course, everyone chases. I think that happens in every industry.

[Mark]

To bring that up now, though, this is the game. They're being accurate.

[Sanchez]

Well, I'm. I'm actually saying the game is not a good example.

[Al]

Okay.

[Sanchez]

But it gave me. It just gave me, like, an idea about the industry in general.

[Mark]

Okay, but you're not saying that this episode of Last of Us felt forced?

[Sanchez]

No, no, no. When I first played the game, I'm sure we can look back at it, and I probably have a completely different opinion than I have right now, because it's me. Yes. Hypocrisy.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

But, like, when I play the game, I was like, is this forced? Are they trying to be progressive? Has it always been a kind of progressive pushing show? Like, was the video game industry very scrutinized? Like, what was happening at the time when it came out shifty? Do you remember, like, the reaction of it? Yeah. I mean, it hadn't really happened to.

[Al]

Have, like, a character, like a main woman character be gay like that in a video game.

[Sanchez]

Because I remember kind of like around this time, remember, there was this big thing in video games where they were super sexist, and this was, like, tangentially related to me too. And, like, they were over sexualized, etc.

[Al]

Yeah. So it was the complete opposite, but also the dudes.

[Sanchez]

So it was rebellious. You could make the dudes were gay.

[Al]

Before that though, right?

[Sanchez]

Who?

[Al]

In Last of Us, oh, they had the gay dudes.

[Sanchez]

But in Last of Us, it wasn't that big a deal. Right.

[Al]

It was like, kind of subtle.

[Sanchez]

It was barely even mentioned. And then the episode they made out of was incredible.

[Al]

Right.

[Sanchez]

And I think that was also transformed. They just made a dope episode and we all liked it and it felt authentic. It didn't feel forced. So here's the unfortunate thing. You do something that's no longer rebellious, it becomes the norm and it feels inauthentic. And then there are people that are creating authentic stories that are like that. But unfortunately, because everything around it feels so inauthentic, it gets jumbled into it.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

So while this was a rebellious story to tell in video games the five years ago or seven years ago, whenever they started writing it now because of like the trend around forced diversity, it can get looped in that which is like, it's unfair to that because it's authentic to the game.

[Al]

Yeah. I think it happens. Like you mentioned the medical industry. I think they also sometimes couch stuff in like, flowery language to make it seem like.

[Sanchez]

Like what?

[Al]

Like, oh, like our mission is, you know, someone in my family had cancer and so we' doing cancer research.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

And it's like, okay, it might be that also. Again, it's hard to like, judge people's internal intentions. But there's also the financial component, obviously.

[Sanchez]

Yes.

[Al]

So I think every industry, like, their motivation is ultimately financial, but they will kind of frame stuff and like, oh, our brand statement is, you know, make people fit or make people smarter. But it's like, okay, it's that plus money.

[Sanchez]

I wonder if they were honest about it from the jump. Like they are about different genres of film. Like if R rated comedies are popping and then a bunch of other R rated comedies come out, it's like they're like, yeah, yeah, this is really successful right now. So we're trying to do that. And then when they pivot away from it, we're not upset because they're not going. It is important for us to promote comedy at an R rated level. And dirty words are good and all.

[Mark]

These, but it would really undercut whatever thing they're putting out if they're like, oh, we're doing this. We're telling you in advance. We're only doing this because it's working.

[Sanchez]

You're right. They have to give us a little bit of a lie.

[Al]

I also don't think that these studios are like, ideologically, like consolidated.

[Sanchez]

Well, there's one ideology.

[Al]

Like, I think that they. I think they're bringing in different people. So, like, you'll have these, like, the executives and, you know, the finance people and the number people that are obviously, okay, we want to make money, make sure it's profitable. But then they're like, okay, let's bring in some creatives that are living in a car, you know, that are just making these beautiful movies and they probably don't give a shit. And then they're amalgamating this group of people that all have different strengths.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

So I think that, you know, obviously stratifying it. Uk you have people that just care about the money, but then you have people that are like, no, I care about only the mission. And then they butt heads, and then hopefully they make a good product.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Or you start, like, finding people that can execute the types of stories that you think are profitable.

[Al]

Yeah, that's what they do, right?

[Sanchez]

Yeah, yeah, but. And you're. But you're specifically choosing them.

[Al]

Yeah, exactly. But then those people.

[Sanchez]

But those people are authentic about the way that they.

[Al]

Exactly. They're not, I guess, you know, lying when they're out there being like, no, I. We need to make this story because this is important to me in my life. Yeah. They were just picked because that is what their mission is.

[Sanchez]

Right? Yeah.

[Al]

And then the studio brings them in and says, okay, let's make a film.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just an interesting way that, like, you know, once a trend starts, you see everything that's created through that lens. Like, we talked about it a lot. Even with, like, the Disney shit back in the day, like, none of us thought about diversity, and Disney was wildly diverse back in the day. Like Aladdin. The first thing that we're watching is there's no white people. And none of us were like, where do white people? I thought they were white.

[Al]

Yeah, right.

[Sanchez]

Like, someone had to tell. Akash was like, I really related to Aladdin because it was the first brown person. I was like, who's brown in Aladdin? I was like, aladdin was like, me, Wasn't it the Genie? Like, I had no clue who was brown in that movie.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sanchez]

But Mulan didn't feel like, I know it was Asian, but it didn't feel like, oh, we need to give you an Asian story so that the Chinese market will buy it and we can make billions of dollars. Here's what I watch anime.

[Mark]

Are the characters white, or is that what Asians think they look like?

[Sanchez]

You know, the eyes are too big to be like, which one is you making a good point. Because the eyes are cartoonishly big.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Which is not what they're known for.

[Mark]

And so why would all their characters not represent them?

[Sanchez]

Look at those eyes. It feels like they're making fun of white people, doesn't it?

[Al]

Yeah. These round eye.

[Sanchez]

Right. And then maybe they think we have superpowers because of the nukes or something.

[Al]

Oh, that's possible. Hold on, let's.

[Mark]

It is odd that a lot of their characters and animes are.

[Sanchez]

Well, there is that. That colorism. Right. In Asian culture, but which I don't.

[Mark]

Even think you can be the fair skinned Asians, but.

[Sanchez]

Oh, you think that they look white even outside of. Yeah, I got you. Okay. In Street Fighter, was. Was Ryu white to you?

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Right.

[Mark]

And his brother was white.

[Sanchez]

Ken is obviously white, but was Rayu white?

[Al]

I.

[Mark]

In my head. Yes. But I think his origin story was he was half white.

[Al]

Which one's Ryu?

[Mark]

The main one.

[Sanchez]

The guy.

[Al]

That guy.

[Sanchez]

Jesus Christ. What the fuck was your child? Street Fighter.

[Al]

Ours.

[Sanchez]

You have to understand Street Fighter for us, the Mortal Kombat.

[Al]

Just playing Mortal Kombat.

[Sanchez]

So that's the thing, like. And I'm surprised even you weren't more Mortal Kombat.

[Mark]

No, I had cousins.

[Sanchez]

Oh, so you were playing. Yeah. Street Fighter was like the OG Game. Mortal Kombat introduced blood.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And blood was like so badass. That was like the rebellious thing. Code.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And like low key. You know who did that too? The NHL video game. You could make their head bleed.

[Al]

Oh, really? If you drop mitts, you could fight. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

You fought and then you could make some. There was that scene in Swingers. Like, make him bleed. Make his head bleed. What's wrong with us? Even as kids, we're like, I want to play the game where you get to murder the person in the goriest way possible. Do you remember NFL Blitz? Oh, yeah, of course. You could break legs. And it was like, cg.

[Al]

Didn't they do the X ray thing.

[Sanchez]

Where, like, if you got a big.

[Al]

Enough hit, it would slow down, show.

[Sanchez]

An X ray and the leg would snap? What's wrong with us?

[Al]

Remember that TV show Scarred?

[Mark]

Oh, God.

[Sanchez]

I couldn't watch it. No, I couldn't watch it.

[Al]

The whole show was just people breaking their bones.

[Sanchez]

That show.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Al]

They're just like, what's up, guys? Welcome back to Scarred. And then a guy would like hit a ten step, like, you know, rail grind and then snap his leg bone sticks out. You know what it was?

[Sanchez]

It was the closest thing to A tick tock scroll.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Oh, like that was a TikTok scroll for that time.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Where it was like 30 second video. Something horrible happens next one 30 second video, something horrible. That's what America's Funniest Home Videos is, too, when you think about it.

[Al]

That's TikTok 100%.

[Sanchez]

Is that what the soup was, darling?

[Mark]

Whatever.

[Sanchez]

The soup?

[Al]

Yeah, sorta.

[Sanchez]

It was like reality show or. It was, I think talk show back in the day. Yeah. And he would just sort of go over the news, like quickly.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

That's interesting. There was just more like he would react to it a little bit more. But yeah, it is funny. We're watching the same content we did back in the day. Yeah.

[Al]

Yeah. It never changes.

[Sanchez]

Never.

[Al]

There's a gay character in Mortal Kombat, I think. Can you pull a Voldo? I think that was his name. Did you ever play Mortal Kombat?

[Mark]

Yeah, but I don't remember this Voldo, bro.

[Al]

There was one, he was like a BDSM guy.

[Mark]

I've been homophobic for quite.

[Sanchez]

That way, bro.

[Al]

Me and my dad used to play this and I would pick him. My dad be like, why'd you pick him?

[Sanchez]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Mark]

I don't even remember this guy.

[Al]

I remember being embarrassed because I picked him and my dad was like, why? And I was like, would pick him. I don't know. I thought, his hands are cool. He's got good attack volley.

[Sanchez]

Don't. No, it was Scorpion Rapper. There was. What was the other guy? It was the other guy.

[Al]

Sig Freed was one of them. What?

[Sanchez]

What?

[Al]

With the giant sword, bro. Some dude crushed me in the meeting group.

[Sanchez]

I still kind of want to know what that one is. I'm not going to ask. Let the comments tell it.

[Al]

No, some guy was like, bro, on the pod, y'all got Putin. I was like, why Putin?

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Said I got Charlemagne with the Justin Thoreau one. Real guy.

[Al]

That's a great one.

[Sanchez]

Legend.

[Al]

Yeah. Wait, who's this? Oh, these are all the guys.

[Mark]

I don't even think you play Mortal Kombat.

[Al]

But what are you. I was playing Soul Caliber, too. Caliber. I've been on fighting games more than y'all, is what I'm saying.

[Sanchez]

No, you haven't.

[Al]

Yes, I have.

[Sanchez]

Dude, you did like pillow fights until you were 19. Your homeschool ass. I don't want to listen talk about video. Trying to talk about lesbians getting after the last of us and not taking off the belt before you finger a girl. What kind of insane thing is that? Really? That's what you're saying?

[Al]

How do.

[Sanchez]

A parallel finger go?

[Al]

Do it.

[Sanchez]

Do it. Okay. Literally, this is exactly. She goes from on top of him. I'm going to do it. Lefty. She could just take off the belt, right? Hey, this is fastest. This is workplace for accident. Listen, I'm trying to teach Emily how to figure a bad bitch, okay? You dress just like Dina.

[Al]

You got the ski.

[Sanchez]

You dress for the apocalypse.

[Al]

We need a pillow fight immediately.

[Mark]

Bro, a man just took your belt off really quickly. And you ain't even budged too. You was going to let go.

[Sanchez]

You saw me do that. I know. That was.

[Mark]

Come on.

[Al]

But if I move. If I move, it's gay. That means I'm scared. You know what I mean?

[Sanchez]

Let me pull your underwear to the.

[Al]

Side.

[Sanchez]

Let your meat fall out. Do you think gay didn't do that. Is grab the boxers from here and scoop up and just let them meat Fallout.

[Al]

Oh, that'd be sick. That's kind of smart.

[Sanchez]

What do you think? Why do we switch to the blue two lights? Rainbow lights. Also, guys, tour date June 19th and through 21st. I'm being salt Lake City at Wise Guys. All those dates and plenty more@akash singh.com. now let's get back to the show.

[Al]

Hold on a second. Don't skip forward, guys, because it's the world's fastest ad read. My name is Mark. I'm coming to America. We got Raleigh, North Carolina, Poughkeepsie, Portland, Fort Worth, Austin, Stanford, Philly, Levittown, Chandler, and San Diego. More dates to come. You can get it at my website, markagnon live.com.

[Sanchez]

Anyway, Last of Us. Best show on TV. It's incredible. Yo, HBO on a run right now. They just announced Squid Games coming back June 27th.

[Al]

HBO.

[Mark]

HBO. That's Netflix.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, whatever. It's all the same. Yo.

[Al]

HBO's on a run.

[Sanchez]

Let's go put out this movie.

[Al]

Sinners the other day still thinks the TV is hbo.

[Sanchez]

Let's see if it's scripted, it's hbo. If it's scripted, it's hbo. He was like, I was watching a.

[Mark]

Knicks game on hbo.

[Sanchez]

It's crazy. Did you see the story? Arcade action.

[Al]

It was insane.

[Sanchez]

That was an epic fail right there, man. God damn, did I get that one wrong. And I really wanted to give credit to hbo. I was like, they're back. Yeah, y'all are doing nothing besides lesbian finger scenes for no reason in the middle of the Last of Us episode.

[Mark]

So if it was a dude, she just handy.

[Sanchez]

Son, son, stop Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. She just announced she's pregnant, right? She goes, I'm pregnant. They start and she's immed. Work that. Nobody look at that.

[Al]

Look at.

[Sanchez]

She got the rhinestone belt on. Oh, don't you look too young. They're too young looking. Yo, come on.

[Mark]

Why you just say stuff?

[Sanchez]

Oh, wait, my bad. She did unbuckle it. My bad. Look at you. Look at you. Hey, my bad. Oh, she got her arching and everything. You barely got two digits in there. Get out of here, bro.

[Mark]

Get the out of you to do.

[Sanchez]

Come on. It's the apocalypse. You fighting through bush.

[Al]

There's no way she got a UTI that's just.

[Sanchez]

That's just 100.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah. That's crazy, yo.

[Mark]

That's just morning of Burning man right there.

[Sanchez]

Whoa, look at this, look at this. And then they go for it. Wait a minute. Immediately she's like, finger me. I don't think she unbuckles that belt. I don't see any unbuckling. No, the belt's not unbuckled.

[Mark]

You just hate it because she did it so smooth. You ain't catching.

[Sanchez]

The belt has not been off. She tipping it off. Look at that.

[Al]

She is herself.

[Sanchez]

What show were you watching? Yeah, bro, I'm not gonna leave, bro.

[Al]

You're gonna take to leave.

[Sanchez]

I'm off.

[Mark]

Hey, I'm off.

[Sanchez]

Hey, I' I'm gonna let you know I'm watched. I thought I knew something. I don't. Your whole anger was because he didn't unbuckle the belt.

[Al]

In the video game she undoes the belt. And in this one I hit double X for belt. I was spamming X to get the belt off.

[Sanchez]

I got nothing. I got nothing. I'm wrong.

[Mark]

Nah, to cuddle it at the end was crazy though. Like you ain't even get your shit off.

[Al]

Oh, this is the video game version. Oh, hell yeah.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, yeah. Look at the most watched. Go to most watched.

[Al]

Yeah, that big one.

[Sanchez]

Yup.

[Al]

Look at this.

[Mark]

Oh, they made the Spanish chick ugly in the game.

[Al]

She had gay energy the whole time though. It's like not shocking that she's gay.

[Sanchez]

Which one? Ellie or Dina?

[Al]

I mean, I don't know about Dina. I haven't seen the show, obviously. Shut up.

[Sanchez]

Tell us about Burkina Faso or some man.

[Al]

They need a video game about that. That is crazy.

[Sanchez]

I'm going tell Dave Portnoy to send you to Auschwitz too, bro. Yo, Dave Portnoy, he's sending people to Auschwitz, bro.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah, true. Of all times. You go now is probably the better time.

[Sanchez]

Do you get to. Can you extend? Like, could you stay and then, like, just chill in Warsaw for a minute? Get a B and B, smoke Poles?

[Al]

Yeah, that could be sick.

[Sanchez]

I mean, because apparently Warsaw is like a good, fun time.

[Al]

Oh, yeah. I saw a girl on some tick tock. She's from Poland.

[Sanchez]

I've seen the same one.

[Al]

I've seen the same one.

[Sanchez]

I've seen the exact same. We're on the same algorithm. The hottest in Poland. And she's like, I'm a 10 in the United States. I'm a 6 in Poland. I was like, you're what in Poland?

[Mark]

Wait, you got to pull this up. Is she more six or more ten? Which one?

[Sanchez]

No, she's a legit ten that calls herself a six in Poland. You know all about this. Stop acting like. Stop. Can I. Can I front him a little bit? I'm trying to act. What, in Poland? God damn white woman in Poland, bro.

[Al]

Yo, you're dumber than a Pole.

[Sanchez]

I was a 6 in America, 10 in Poland.

[Al]

I can't.

[Mark]

That was mean.

[Sanchez]

This guy's a mean guy. He just called you dumb. Dumb?

[Al]

Yeah, because he's pretending he doesn't.

[Sanchez]

What we were just talking about looks like and him being a handsome black man in Poland, which they don't have. They're very proud of Noah. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Al]

Don't do it.

[Sanchez]

He's a little bitter.

[Mark]

You went to Atlanta.

[Sanchez]

I called you handsome and he. He went.

[Al]

No, I'm reacting because we're not doing this right now. I was making fun of him for.

[Sanchez]

Being dumb for having no legs. You made for Al for not being good looking.

[Al]

I'm the nicest guy, and everyone's trying to make me a bully.

[Sanchez]

No, you're a piece of.

[Mark]

Whatever you have to say happen this weekend, bro.

[Sanchez]

What happened, bro?

[Mark]

Yeah, he's bitter. Something happened.

[Sanchez]

Something happened. Where was the show?

[Al]

Charleston. In Atlanta.

[Sanchez]

Charleston, South Carolina.

[Al]

Charleston, South Carolina.

[Sanchez]

And then Atlanta.

[Mark]

And I wear volume from.

[Al]

Nope.

[Sanchez]

No.

[Mark]

Where is he from?

[Al]

Pakistan.

[Sanchez]

Pakistan.

[Al]

Yeah. Virginia.

[Mark]

Oh, Virginia.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Okay. All right, go. So what happened?

[Al]

Shows were wonderful. No issues.

[Mark]

What black guy hurt you?

[Sanchez]

Did a black guy hurt you?

[Mark]

Yeah. Heckled or something?

[Al]

No, they were wonderful. It was technically an Alpharetta, which is not Atlanta, apparently.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

I told many people Atlanta. It was just. I lied.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. I mean, it's close, and it's all. That's. Atlanta is like. How big is at Atlanta?

[Al]

Extremely.

[Mark]

You could go a little outside of Atlanta, and it's a way different death.

[Sanchez]

No, of course I'm just saying, like, it's. You would say that you're in greater Atlanta.

[Al]

No, of course it's freezing.

[Sanchez]

What is the goal? Have we spent too little on air conditioning this month? Is that the goal? Do we have a quota that we.

[Al]

Don'T spend it, we don't get it.

[Sanchez]

Back full hoodie on. Imagine what we're feeling, like we're getting blasted by the eight.

[Al]

See, he does it sometimes. We went to a nice dinner, had steaks. The other night, he had just had a hoodie.

[Sanchez]

My head hurts. And for some reason, wearing a hood makes it feel better. I don't know why you got that vaccine for me. Yeah.

[Al]

He's so.

[Mark]

Oh, man. Oh, is this the. This the.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Let's look at what a six in Poland looks like. In Poland, solid six. But in America, solid 10.

[Al]

Okay. You think other people would agree?

[Sanchez]

I hope. I mean, pause that. If that's a six in Poland.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

They're doing everything right with the immigration policies. You don't want to water that down. Like, you got a really good thing going and you don't want to water that down. Does that. How. What is that? What I just said sounds a little xenophobic. Can you be xenophobic for the sake of the attractiveness of your people? Because you can't guarantee every immigrant coming in is going to be a 10.

[Al]

Out of 10 unless you vet them.

[Sanchez]

If you vet them based on looks.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Then you go, okay, this is great.

[Al]

And so there's an app where everyone can just vet. And if you're above a 7:2, then you get to come in.

[Mark]

But if you mix that with a little melanin.

[Sanchez]

If it's the right melanin. If it's the right melanin, you got a bunch of seals coming in. No disrespect, obviously. Seal, incredibly talented singer. You know what I mean?

[Mark]

Speaking of Seal, he performed that. Where were we at live? I'm like, damn, Kiss. One song.

[Sanchez]

That's your thing.

[Al]

It is. It is.

[Sanchez]

Damn. How can you shut it down, though, right? Yeah, you really need one. You need one hit. He looked like he got kissed by the thorns. I can't be the first person that said that joke. I cannot be the first. He kissed the Stamina rose a few times before he made it up to the pedals.

[Mark]

So he was there. It was his daughter's 21st birthday, and they show his daughter, like, I don't think that's his daughter.

[Sanchez]

Beautiful.

[Mark]

Yeah, But, I mean, she's. Her complexion. I'm like, seal is Way too dark to come out with that.

[Sanchez]

I think that you're making a really gross allegation right now.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

Thinking about it.

[Sanchez]

Let me check. I'm standing on that.

[Mark]

Nah, see, you need 18 years back of that money.

[Sanchez]

Hey. Got you, kid.

[Mark]

That is not him.

[Al]

That's what? That's what Heidi Clune.

[Sanchez]

Yo, shout out Seal. Obviously, Seal. We're joking.

[Mark]

We're joking.

[Sanchez]

Of course he had. He had an acid attack or something, right? Like there was lupus. What do you have lupus? Oh, come on.

[Al]

It's a medical issue.

[Sanchez]

Oh, come on, come on, come on, come on.

[Mark]

An acid attack.

[Al]

Joey put.

[Sanchez]

He put in the notes. He put in the notes.

[Al]

Notes.

[Mark]

Jesus.

[Sanchez]

It was not my fault. It was Joey's fault. Look at. That's his daughter. Joey put in the notes. What?

[Mark]

That's his daughter.

[Sanchez]

All right, we got to look at it. All right, There we go. That don't make sense. Now we got to look into it.

[Mark]

Face ain't even scarred.

[Sanchez]

Seal has discoid lupus, a form of lupus that mainly affects the skin, causing coin shaped lesions and scarring. Don't even do it, Mark. Don't even do it. While not as severe as systemic lupus, which can affect organs, discoid lupus can still have a significant impact on a person's life. SEALS openly discusses. I swear, I thought.

[Mark]

I apologize.

[Sanchez]

I. I am sorry. I thought the story was he was a homeless guy and he was burned with acid. Was he homeless? Did I make that part up, too?

[Al]

No, I think he was a truly artist.

[Sanchez]

Black people.

[Mark]

You thinking it's Medea?

[Sanchez]

Was he homeless? Was he fucking homeless?

[Al]

Yes.

[Sanchez]

Okay. Singer Seal, born seal.

[Al]

Christopher Bullock, adopted.

[Sanchez]

Yo, if he was wrong on this.

[Mark]

One, too, you would have to leave.

[Sanchez]

Okay? He experienced homelessness during his youth. At 15, he ran away and spent time couch surfing with friends or staying in homeless hostels. Okay, yes. Where he was later attacked with acid.

[Al]

That's not.

[Sanchez]

It is AI over you Attacked? He chose to live on the streets, letting his acid heal on his own.

[Al]

Look at the bottom, though. It says, you can watch this video and learn more about a Navy SEAL who joined the French for Legion. What does that have to do with seal?

[Sanchez]

Also, Al might be right. Okay, so I might be right. Al, Seal adopted one of Heidi Klum's daughters, depending on the one you were seeing.

[Mark]

When racism works out.

[Al]

Come on, man.

[Sanchez]

Now they do get. I know, I know. He hit that like he was a conductor of an orchestra.

[Mark]

What a great guy.

[Sanchez]

No, I think I actually feel guilty about what I'VE said you should. I feel. I think he's a nice guy. He's a good father.

[Al]

Insane life. You like flight his country or some?

[Sanchez]

Now, now, now. I think now.

[Al]

Let's find out. You're doing double check.

[Sanchez]

You're doing squid games. You're doing squid games. Did he flee his country? If you're mixing up with Francis and Ganu, it's going to be very. He was born in London, but where.

[Al]

Does he live now in America? Fled his country.

[Sanchez]

Mark, take the L. Mark.

[Al]

No, he fled England.

[Sanchez]

Mark, take the L. He's in England.

[Al]

He left. Mark.

[Sanchez]

If you don't take the L, we'll never learn.

[Mark]

Well, banger of a performance man.

[Sanchez]

He killed.

[Al]

Shout out to his family. Yeah.

[Mark]

Shout out to his family. Beautiful daughter. Beautiful daughter.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Formula one, greatest live sporting event in existence. WWE two weeks ago.

[Al]

Prisoner of the moment.

[Sanchez]

They call me a prisoner of the moon. Formula one is the greatest live sporting event in existence.

[Mark]

No, it's not.

[Sanchez]

Name a better one.

[Mark]

Everything.

[Sanchez]

Formula one, way in two minutes theorem.

[Al]

You can't watch the sport. You can't watch the sport.

[Sanchez]

I could not. Now, listen, we look at this. If you want to see peak athleticism, look at this. Look at that tire change. This is in slow mo, by the way. I look at the. Oh, yeah. What am I doing? You're such a dad. What am I doing?

[Mark]

You are such a dad. Like, how does it.

[Sanchez]

Okay, now go to the next one. This. This right here is. I'll never live this down. I don't know what the.

[Al]

Like, it looked painful.

[Sanchez]

Son. There's a labor. I've watched that video 100 times. The guy that I'm talking to has a very thick German accent. When a white guy with a thick German accent extends a hand, I'm assuming fucking handshake. Or he's, you know, so it's one of those two. I'm not assuming he's going for the dap at all. If you notice, at the last second, he brings his hand up. Obviously he felt my aura. He was trying to match my aura. He's like, there's no way a guy this cool and this athletic and good at doing things he's never done before could possibly go for a tap up. Watch it one more time. I want you to focus on his hand.

[Al]

Oh, there is something. There is something happening.

[Mark]

You would have missed it by.

[Al]

By a mile.

[Sanchez]

By a mile. By a mile. But you're like, right there, son. Al, I'm. I'm. Got the glasses on. I'm feeling very Excited. There's a lot of fumes. Jet fuel we're basically working with. Now this is the other angle, which I think shows how quick we put the tire back on and how stupid I look accelerating. Yes. What? I don't know what I did. I wish I could justify what I did. I think I was looking for people to like, high five and everybody was like, this is pretty normal. So I was just like, okay, I'll just keep on doing karate.

[Al]

You never lose more Italian. It's the most Italian thing.

[Mark]

Like you celebrated, like you won.

[Sanchez]

I beat the other guy. I beat the other guy. Who's the last. The other cars are faster. So basically, stake this car. Next year, Audi takes over. And Audi is going to build its own engine. And they hope in four years they'll be able to be at the top. But right now they buy a Ferrari engine.

[Al]

Okay.

[Sanchez]

And who knows what Ferrari gives them. They probably give him some fugazi and there's no way to check on it, but it is probably a fugazi from Ferrari. So of course, if you're getting an engine that they purposely, you know, we give the shitty fighter planes to like the Middle Eastern countries, that's what far is probably doing us.

[Mark]

So all the teams, like, the, the builds of their cars are secret.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, secret. But then there's like certain standards that you have to uphold and you can call the other ones out for it. So there's. Dude, okay.

[Mark]

Cuz, like, why don't you just copy the best cars?

[Sanchez]

That's what they try to do. But like the tiniest little wind resistance thing can change everything.

[Mark]

Got it.

[Sanchez]

So there's a game of like milliseconds. The reason why I said it was the best event that I've ever seen, obviously we had like this unparalleled access. It's like, ridiculous what we got to see. Like, it's a different experience. I get it. But it brings out this like, juvenile part in you that when you hear the sound of the cars.

[Al]

Oh, yeah. Oh, okay.

[Sanchez]

I don't know what it was. I never thought I had that in me to be like, vroom. I was saying it. There was video of me, like, as it go by, you'd just. In my mouth go. So it brings out this like childish nature in you. And you're literally looking at like a rocket ship on the ground. That's what it is.

[Mark]

Like feeling that power pass. It's. It is something.

[Sanchez]

Were you able to go to any, like, good turns where they would do the passing?

[Mark]

Not really. I was just like, the paddock area.

[Sanchez]

So that's the one thing I would. I would think that they could. They could work out better with the sport, because when you watch them drive by you, it is fucking miraculous. Especially when it's raining. They're shooting up. All this rain and there's zero visibility. I was asking the driver, I like, can you see anything? And he was like, no, not really. And I'm like, how are you driving? He goes, we kind of have the tracks memorized. So you're kind of like, in, like, a flow state. So you're reacting. You can see, like, the. The lights in the car in front of you go red for braking. So, you know, it's kind of time to break. But he's like, visibility is almost zero when it's raining, and them setting each other up to do these passes. And, you know, like, there's a guy who just had a kid three days ago, Max Verstappen, right? So there's a little part of you going like, oh, he's gonna be a little safe today. And you're like, no, he's not. He's, like, cutting people off. He's like, it's. If you want to pass me, we're both going to crash or you're not going to pass me.

[Al]

Wow.

[Sanchez]

You had a kid three days ago.

[Al]

Do they do any, like, pageantry shit where, like, they start the engines all the same time? Or like, a flyover?

[Sanchez]

The whole thing is pageantry. They had a car flyover. I got to do this walk where you, like, walk, and I'm just in. The walk is just every. All these famous people and that kind of stuff, and everybody is submitting to the excellence of the cars. Nobody's doing the walk. Like, I'm the thing to see here. Everybody's doing the walk. Like, oh, wow, that's that machine that cost $300 million to make. That's that day. It just. It's just pure excess. It's like, everything Americans should like and nothing Europeans should like. Like, this is popular in Europe.

[Mark]

Oh, yeah.

[Sanchez]

But it shouldn't be like, Europeans should revolt. They should be like, all this money spent on this, we should put it towards health care and, like, feeding the homeless and giving them housing. Like, we're talking about 300 to $500 million a car.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Mark]

It should be just Russian and American shit.

[Sanchez]

We're the only ones that actually care about. And for whatever reason, it doesn't. Like, we have nascar, but NASCAR feels more working class. They're driving, like, police cars, right? The cars don't look fancy.

[Al]

Got fake headlights on.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, it's like, do they really? Yeah, cuz they're not driving at night. So why do you need headlights?

[Al]

Yeah, they got painted on headlights.

[Sanchez]

It's all one car body in nascar. That's so funny. They all have the same car body. It's just stickers make them look different.

[Al]

Stock car. Stock car.

[Sanchez]

I mean it was just. I'm no. And I am a prisoner at the moment, I admit. Was the coolest thing that I've ever seen. Live as a sport. I still don't know if the drivers do anything. Like there's a little part of me that's like, if you put me in the best car, I could probably beat the worst car, me. You don't think that at all.

[Al]

I think the drivers have like psycho.

[Mark]

Yeah. Because you have to be willing to go at those speeds.

[Sanchez]

Look at this.

[Mark]

And you're not going to do that. You'll get to 80 and be like.

[Al]

Oh.

[Mark]

Your wife drives you, bro.

[Sanchez]

What do you think you're going to do there?

[Al]

He got in an F3 car and then got claustrophobia.

[Sanchez]

I did. I couldn't breathe. But that's when we were having a lot of trouble getting pregnant and I was really stressed, but I had to get out. And you know what? It wasn't an F3.

[Al]

What was it?

[Sanchez]

It was like an F4. So before we went on the race, there was a. It's so funny because, you know, this is. These are big corporations. Everybody's a little bit like careful with their words, you know. So before the, the main race starts, there was like a woman's F1. Right. It's called like F1 special or some shit. I don't know. But they're trying to like get women into driving, which is crazy because it's not like they have to lift anything. Like the car does all the driving. So you think that they could do it, right?

[Al]

Is it like G forces? Like what is the justification?

[Sanchez]

I don't know. As far as I'm concerned, the G doesn't exist. No. So I asked him and I was like, I go, you know, I'm just trying to like make stupid jokes. And I'm just like. So you know, the, I'm sure the, the women. There's a lot more crashes than the women circuit. Like I'm just whatever, joking. And the guy goes, well, there would probably be some good Google searches about that if you'd like to see. And I go, what do you mean by that? And off camera, he's basically like. Yeah, they're fucking crashing all the time. Like we can't put them in a formula cars because it costs too much to fix for the amount that they crash.

[Al]

Wow. That's so funny. Is it during the race or just parking?

[Sanchez]

But it was sick. So you didn't like it? Al?

[Mark]

I mean it was cool. It's not, it's not bad. It's just not the best live sporting event. Like I would say Knicks game during playoffs is 10 times better.

[Sanchez]

I, I. The energy that you feel obviously during a Knicks game is, is really cool. I will say that that Knicks game exists for like three hours and this is like three days.

[Mark]

Oh, okay.

[Sanchez]

And like so there and then just all the different things that you are seeing and the amount of people that just kind of like submit themselves to the awe of the experience.

[Al]

Yeah. The spectacle. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And again it's like nobody is too cool for a fast car. Yeah. It just kind of levels the playing fields. Like Timothy Chalamet is there gawking at a car. The same car that Kirk Douglas is gawking at. All these NFL players are there. Just like you just can't believe it.

[Al]

I mean it must be the most expensive sport.

[Sanchez]

Has to be.

[Al]

Right. Like there's nothing even remotely.

[Sanchez]

It's like SpaceX. It's like if SpaceX was for fun.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Like that every one of these is a rocket ship.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And every single race something's going to break and they have to rebuild it.

[Al]

Yeah. There's also something about it. Like you can't just try it. You know what I mean? Like basketball. You like, you watch a game and then go try basketball. And virtually every sport has that. Whereas F1.

[Sanchez]

Like you'll just never barrier to entry is insanity.

[Mark]

Like we were doing go karting and we were like, it's. That's as far as we're willing to go. I'm not going fast into that.

[Al]

Yeah. Like even like I'm Abu Dhabi. We had the access to do F4.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

You know what I mean? Like so even if you wanted to, you couldn't do F1.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

So I think that there's also like for famous people specifically there's like an exclusionary aspect 100 where they're like. Yeah. You just get to watch the most expensive thing. Money that I don't have to do. A crazy sport that I'll never try. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. It's impossible.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. It's just, it was just really cool. I want to go to Another one.

[Al]

Who was the coolest person you talked to?

[Sanchez]

I don't know. Trying to think.

[Al]

Any interesting people? You're like, oh, this person's here.

[Sanchez]

To me, like the most interesting were like the engineers and the people working on the cars.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

The little things that, you know, can make such massive differences. How piecemeal the cars are. Like everything can be removed and a new thing put on within seconds. So your front wing gets up, there's another firm wing. So you have a spaceship that can be completely rebuilt in a matter of seconds. Yeah, it's just the monocoque that's really like the middle part, I mean, stays the same. You could have the engine and gearbox break down and within an hour they have a new engine and gearbox put into a car. Car. Everything rewired and you're racing.

[Al]

Wow.

[Sanchez]

So if they it up in the trials or whatever it is, it's just like.

[Mark]

Yeah, that's fascinating. That's. That's dope.

[Sanchez]

Unbelievable.

[Al]

And who are these guys? Are they like quants, kind of like socially awkward genius types?

[Sanchez]

Some of them are maybe. And then some of them seem like they were just kind of of like the. The guys who do like the. The union at the theaters we go. You know, it's just like a dude who. Like roadie. Yeah, like roadies, like for musicians. Like that same kind of vibe. Like, I just love cars. Like, mechanics. Like, what would be the coolest job if you were a mechanic?

[Al]

Oh, yeah.

[Sanchez]

You know, it's like I could fix cars in New York at a shop, or I could work on a Formula one team and travel the world.

[Al]

Are any of them like former athletes?

[Sanchez]

That's what I heard. And I looked at them and it didn't seem that way. But I heard all of them were like formula D1 guys or what? I was like, not at all. They're all kind small. All the drivers are really skinny. Yeah, like really skinny. Really lean. Some of them are tiny. Some of them may be my height, but like lean. Every single one.

[Al]

Oh, that's interesting. Apparently with NASCAR it's that way. It's like all like D2 football players. The guy that got drafted and then came out and now he's just like pit guy.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

Moving, you know, gasoline around.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

Which like, it's kind of sick if you're a former pro athlete to go around some cars and.

[Sanchez]

Same kind of. I wonder if lifestyle is more similar. It's like you're traveling every single weekend. Super high stakes. Part of this crew.

[Al]

Yeah. How much do they get paid?

[Sanchez]

You think? I don't know. I'm trying to. I, like. I was trying to crunch numbers on everything.

[Al]

Like, who gets paid the most driver?

[Sanchez]

No, I think it's the principal. Like, the person who is, like, the head of the team who has to, like, hire all the different positions. I actually don't know if the drivers are that respected.

[Al]

Yeah, that's what I'm curious about. Are they, like, a jockey?

[Sanchez]

That. Yeah. That might be, like, a harsh thing to say, but, like, I think that the leaders of the teams and, like, the. The top engineers are the more coveted people than the drivers. Interesting, because, like, you could take the worst driver and put them in the best car and they would be competitive.

[Al]

That's what I want. Like, horse racing. You know the horse's name? You know what I mean? Like, you don't know the jockey, but, you know, Seabiscuit.

[Sanchez]

I didn't know one of the guys that was driving a car for our team. I didn't know. I met him, and. And I didn't know if he was, like, a guy that does the pit stop or if he was driving a car. And I didn't want to be disrespectful, but I didn't know.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Do you know him now?

[Al]

Nope.

[Sanchez]

He didn't even finish the race. I was like, you got to finish for me to take a pin. What happened?

[Al]

The tire you changed flew off.

[Sanchez]

It's crazy, the amount of access that you get. Like, I'm surprised. Like, before, they just let everybody walk. Not everybody, but they let people walk on the grid where all the cars are set up, and it's like, you could sabotage another car.

[Al]

Right?

[Sanchez]

I don't know how you would do it, but you could walk up, look.

[Al]

At it, unscrew some, throw some acid on someone's face. Who knows what you can do. Acid attack.

[Sanchez]

I saw Seal there, actually. That's why I brought him up. Yeah. Handsome, great guy. Sweet, sweet guy. I can't believe I said that joke about the thorns. That was so rude. I think Al sets a really disgusting tone.

[Al]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Mark]

I definitely didn't.

[Al]

He's like a bully. I was like a bully. Brings out a very mean energy.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, you really do.

[Mark]

I think I was right to call out that his daughter looks very different from him.

[Sanchez]

Oh, cuz he's white.

[Mark]

She's whatever.

[Sanchez]

Anyway, it was great shout out to Carbone. Carbone hooked us up reunited with my boy, my twin, Ryan Clark and Jelly, also. Jelly is incredible. I actually got to see him do, like, a full show. Yeah, he's incredible. Incredible. Yeah, like, he's incredible. And. And I mean that in that, like, he understands. You could tell he's done decades of shitty shows. Yeah, this is. This is the difference maker. The people who've done decades of shitty shows know how to really, like, galvanize and rile up a crowd and play a crowd like an instrument. And the people who have just, like, are pop star and then they have their hit, without their hit, they don't really have anything.

[Al]

Yeah, they're learning how to live perform after they're famous.

[Sanchez]

Exactly. You could tell he's done the toughest, hardest shows because when. Because I was curious, I was like, what's he gonna do? Like, we're in this, like, at this. This Carbone beach dinner. Like, there's all these, like, fancy people there. They might not even know country music that much. Maybe they don't know some of his hits. I'm like, how is he gonna handle this? And within 30 seconds of bringing it up, he's like, kind of doing call and response almost crowd work as stuff really getting people excited of a song that maybe people know but didn't. But it had so much excitement that they're getting riled up.

[Mark]

You can even tell that he was a bit concerned because, like, he mentioned that a couple times. He's like, yo, I'm gonna turn this into a honky tonk. I didn't realize all you guys like country music the way here play.

[Al]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Mark]

Places where the whiskey.

[Sanchez]

Look how much. Pause right there. Pause right there. Go. Go back a little second. Why were you hesitant to, like, put your whole hand on him? It seemed like you were doing that. What is wrong? Is that not clear to you? It just. It felt like you wanted to. It felt like you wanted to embrace him, but you were, like, a little insecure.

[Al]

Years of trauma.

[Mark]

He was holding on to the camera. I'm a little strong. If I grab him, you know, he's delicate.

[Sanchez]

No, you want to cross that arm delicate over his chest and just hold him. But you look at your hand. Look how uncomfortable that hand is.

[Al]

It looks like not your hand.

[Sanchez]

Tell us what's going through that moment. Cuz you. You. You know, you obviously want to be part of this singing and you want to. Were you not drunk enough to just be yourself?

[Mark]

I didn't know the words, to be honest.

[Sanchez]

You.

[Mark]

I did not know the word. If you really look close to me, I'm doing one of those things where you just like.

[Al]

And how early in his set did he play this?

[Sanchez]

Now this is maybe like Midway.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

But now he just did. I mean, he did rap songs, he did honky tonk, he did old school classic. He covers like it was. It was truly amazing. And the next day, he went to go perform in a stadium in Las Vegas with Post Malone.

[Mark]

And then the next day came back to run a 5k in Miami.

[Sanchez]

That was crazy. I think in Tampa, right?

[Mark]

Some player. Florida. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

That's crazy. He's moving. He's moving different. He's moving different.

[Mark]

And shout out to Jelly. Lost him weight.

[Sanchez]

Looking great.

[Mark]

I said, yeah, Jelly's the man.

[Al]

And how was Ryan?

[Sanchez]

Ryan was great.

[Al]

Ever since y'all patched it up, everything's good.

[Sanchez]

Everything's great. We had. We had a great conversation. We had a great conversation. It was fire. Just great. All right.

[Al]

Oh.

[Sanchez]

Oh, yeah. I got to meet the most talented human being on the planet dressed like street fighter.

[Al]

Man. That is fire.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Jamie's a fucking man. Anyway, it was cool as hell. Definitely cool. I suggest if you guys have the opportunity, go check out a Formula One and root for team stake. And guys, if you're going to bet on Formula One or the NBA playoffs, obviously the Knicks, you already know what time it is. We already knew that was going to happen. We let Boston feel like they were going to have a chance. But if you're going to bet on Formula One or the NBA playoff stake is the leader in global betting in US Social casinos. Bet on top sports, political events and use the promo code flagrant for your welcome bonus. Now let's get back to the show. Do you all care about the Met Gallon?

[Al]

It's sort of, in a weird way, you see, like a crazy out. You're like, oh, that's kind of interesting. I still barely understand what it is.

[Sanchez]

Me neither.

[Al]

I barely. I barely get what's going on, what happens inside.

[Mark]

It's a dinner, right?

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Mark]

I feel like it's just like Carbone beach, sit down, dinner, then everybody gets up, somebody performs. But this is a fun same.

[Al]

This is a fundraiser.

[Sanchez]

I think it's one of those fundraisers.

[Al]

Right. But, like, that's the thing that I don't get. So, like, does it start as a gala?

[Sanchez]

A lot of these high society events, they make fundraisers as an excuse for, like, rich and fancy people to celebrate themselves. So I think it's more about celebrating yourself. And then you realize, oh, if we keep celebrating ourselves, poor people are going to shoot us in the back of the head. All right, so let's make it a fundraiser for a cause, right? But I think that's after the fact. I don't think that's.

[Mark]

And then the clothing brand picks a celebrity. I think they make the outfit for them, and I think they donate on their behalf.

[Al]

Right. Yeah.

[Mark]

Celebrity just gets to go and.

[Al]

Right.

[Sanchez]

But it's more about, like, a qualification, like, if you're invited to this event, that you must be, like, one of the most famous people, whatever it is. So I think it's, like, very exciting in that regard.

[Al]

And then I get why people go. I get why brands do it. Like, that part all makes sense. I'm so curious about, like, the fascination, like, the amount that it grips people.

[Sanchez]

People love fashion.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

They love famous people, and they love fashion.

[Mark]

Famous people and judgment, exclusivity.

[Sanchez]

But you also get to judge. Like, you get to be, you know, like one of those shadows chef shows. You get to say if the food is good or not.

[Al]

Right.

[Sanchez]

So I think it, like, puts us, all of us that are not invited, that are not the famous people, that are not, you know, part of, like, the inside circle. Not only do we get to judge them, we get to make fun of them, because a lot of them address, like, really foolishly.

[Al]

That's a good point.

[Sanchez]

So in a lot of ways, like, it's. And I'm guilty of this. Like, it's easy for us to just sit back, oh, look at these stupid people. But it's like, that's kind of the event's purpose, in my opinion. They're submitting themselves for. For judgment. And there are these designers that are trying to do, like, the most provocative, ridiculous things. And on some level, I. I like that. Like, I like.

[Mark]

I love it.

[Sanchez]

I like it when people try. Yeah. Like, what's his face? Bringing the piano on his back is. Yes. But I like that there's an attempt made to do something he's also not doing it right.

[Al]

Like, it's the designer being like, this is what you're gonna wear.

[Sanchez]

I think you could say no.

[Mark]

You have an idea of what.

[Al]

How does it work? Like, do the designers be like, this is what we're thinking.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Al]

And then they collab with them.

[Mark]

They collab with.

[Al]

Yeah. I didn't know that.

[Mark]

And I like this. He got music on his back like that. Shit. Just the messaging for that. I think it's dope. I'm surprised how easy he's walking around.

[Sanchez]

I mean, do you think it's an actual piano?

[Mark]

No, I know it's not, but.

[Sanchez]

No, no, of course.

[Mark]

Of course it's not. But he's moving Very easily around like that shit. Still as wide as. He's not bumping nobody. He's not knocking on.

[Sanchez]

It was real.

[Mark]

He definitely unstrapped it and started playing.

[Sanchez]

After, like, Definite did that of it, though.

[Al]

You got to take the L, dude.

[Sanchez]

He's walking around with a grand piano. How can he hold such way Walking up those stairs?

[Mark]

I hope there's a video that comes out of him playing that garage. I'm going to get.

[Al]

It might be playable, but it's not a full size.

[Mark]

No. If it's played, then I won.

[Sanchez]

No.

[Al]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

[Sanchez]

The point is heavy. You're concerned because it's heavy and it's wide.

[Mark]

It's uncomfortable.

[Sanchez]

He's moving around. When you see people walking around with, like, a bunch of balloons, so you're like, how are they doing that? Like, they're not flying away. They're staying on the ground. That must take so much strength.

[Mark]

Dude.

[Al]

I wish I could be in your head for a day and just see the world. You know what I mean?

[Sanchez]

You would love too much.

[Al]

You would love it.

[Mark]

You would just be staring down at.

[Al]

You like, how am I holding this thing up, dude? This is such a big penis. How did you know Seal's daughter wasn't real, but the piano.

[Mark]

A broken clock is right two times a day.

[Sanchez]

Oh, Mr. Milchick.

[Mark]

Who's this?

[Sanchez]

The guy from Severance.

[Al]

Oh, okay.

[Sanchez]

All right.

[Al]

Kind of swag.

[Mark]

Nice.

[Al]

In here we have Lisa from White Lotus.

[Sanchez]

Oh, yeah.

[Al]

She's.

[Sanchez]

This girl is unstoppable.

[Al]

Have you heard the whole controversy with this outfit?

[Sanchez]

Tell me right now.

[Al]

So Rosa Parks is in her vagina?

[Sanchez]

I've saw a bunch of people on.

[Al]

Twitter getting pissed off.

[Mark]

Wait, what?

[Al]

So she again, the theme is black dandyism. So on the outfit, there's different historical black civil rights leaders, and one of them.

[Mark]

Are we serious right now?

[Al]

Google it, bro. I mean, I might have got. But I'm 99% shirt. Did you see this?

[Sanchez]

No, but I do have a joke, so keep going.

[Al]

So apparently, what? There's many different civil rights leaders, and Rosa Parks is over her crotch right there.

[Sanchez]

Oh, but there's many of them.

[Al]

Yes.

[Sanchez]

Not just Rosa Parks, but to my.

[Al]

Understanding, that was the one that people were mad.

[Mark]

Why would they do her like that?

[Sanchez]

To who? Rosa?

[Mark]

No, this girl, the hot Asian chick.

[Sanchez]

I don't know if they're doing her.

[Mark]

Like that negative way, you know, she's. To get.

[Sanchez]

What's. What's wrong with the vagina? I think vagina is the most respectable Part. I think it's the most respectable part of a woman. No, think about it, like, there could be no more respectable part of a woman's body than the vagina. It's in many of our definitions what makes a woman a woman.

[Mark]

Yeah, but put it, like, not on a sideways one.

[Sanchez]

Like, come on. Ow.

[Mark]

No, but this is.

[Sanchez]

What do you think?

[Al]

Do you think.

[Sanchez]

Do you think. With all due respect to Lisa, do you think the lips are dark? Cuz then maybe they put her in the color section.

[Mark]

Oh, we're going to hell.

[Sanchez]

Which would be the most disrespectful thing to do to Rosa Parks.

[Al]

That's the worst thing to do.

[Sanchez]

You got to put her in the white section. Yeah, right.

[Al]

That's up.

[Mark]

That was.

[Al]

But all these people on Twitter are mad about being like, you shouldn't have put it there.

[Sanchez]

Oh, stop being angry.

[Al]

They're trying to tell Rosa to leave.

[Sanchez]

All right, put it. Let's. Sydney Sweeney immediately. Let's just watch it. And. Jesus Christ.

[Al]

Yeah. Personally, I think she ate and left no crumbs. Personally, her body is teeth. My honest opinion. Oh, that was good. That was good.

[Mark]

I thought she could have did more.

[Sanchez]

I hate you, Al.

[Al]

That is the most interesting critique.

[Sanchez]

How is everybody's jaw so perfect now? Like, how does everybody have, like, this immaculate jawline? I also have that question. Yeah. What is that? I also like to use fillers. Is that makeup? Like, what is giving everybody perfect jawlines?

[Al]

The ZPI maybe.

[Sanchez]

I don't know.

[Al]

I think it's.

[Sanchez]

But even oic, I don't know if it can actually restructure your jaw, but if.

[Al]

I think it's, like, depletes so much of the fat and muscle in your face, it kind of, like, brings her bones out.

[Sanchez]

Oh, wow. But the rest of her doesn't look oic.

[Al]

Yeah, true. She looks.

[Mark]

It's like Halloween.

[Sanchez]

Here's the thing about the Mecca. Once we accept that we're the ones that benefit the most because we get to make fun of and potentially humiliate the most famous, successful people on the planet. And that is, like, by design, what the show is about. About whether or not they know it, but it's what it is for, like, the majority of people. It's kind of great for us.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Yeah. They could just be like. And they just hate him because you're you.

[Sanchez]

Because you wasn't there. So it kind of, like, works out for everybody. And I like the designers trying to flex.

[Mark]

Why do white people Went so, like, go better. Go harder.

[Al]

What do you mean?

[Sanchez]

This Is a regular outfit.

[Al]

Yeah, but it's black dandyism is the theme. Just a little bit of a, you know, gotta be delicate camp of Rosa on your pubes and, you know, think everything's gonna be just fine.

[Sanchez]

Wait, did Kamala go? Whoa. What is she there?

[Al]

Obama, Half black, half white?

[Sanchez]

Oh, I didn't know that she went.

[Al]

That's kind of fire, dude.

[Sanchez]

Is that her first time? Like, is that her first public appearance since. Who is this?

[Al]

She's done, like, some speeches, I think.

[Sanchez]

Is that Lisa? Jenny?

[Al]

Another.

[Mark]

You thought you did an alpha tape, bro.

[Sanchez]

Like, seriously, you guys set me up for these things and you make me look so bad. It's a profile of this absolutely beautiful Asian woman at the Met Gallery.

[Mark]

Just seen Lisa, though.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, I think that's Lisa. And there's nobody that can prove me otherwise.

[Al]

DNA test.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Let's see the Penn.

[Al]

We already Mar Povich for Schultz.

[Sanchez]

Jesus, guys, stop it. You are not Lisa. Yo, let me tell you something. This motherfucker's too handsome.

[Al]

Oh, yeah.

[Sanchez]

This is too goddamn handsome.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Al]

Who is it?

[Sanchez]

Damson.

[Al]

What is the name?

[Mark]

Idris.

[Sanchez]

Idris Damson. Idris. I got enough of these British Idris's.

[Al]

Yeah, there's something about Idris it makes you so, so, so cute.

[Sanchez]

All right, hit that turnaround.

[Mark]

Nah, turn around with the little smirk. Like.

[Sanchez]

I'm just saying, if we gonna be real. I was joking around with a smirk. What is with a smirk?

[Al]

I was like. That was the hand on the shoulder.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, it was just embrace it. You wearing nail polish? This the most gay, non gay gay guy that we know. You can't say he's handsome. He is.

[Al]

Why you just.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, but now you're talking about charming. Like, he's also. That I'mma chok is like. I almost choked the dead on this.

[Mark]

I saw this. I was like, damn, I got to get that move down in the mirror or something like that shit is f.

[Sanchez]

Can you try it now? You got your camera? Camera's over here, Al. Remember, your camera's over here.

[Mark]

I can't. He's too smooth. He's too smooth.

[Sanchez]

Smooth.

[Al]

Pharrell.

[Mark]

He could have went harder.

[Sanchez]

I'm surprised.

[Al]

But he designed all the shits, right?

[Sanchez]

Well, he just designed the Louie, right?

[Mark]

Yeah, just Louis.

[Al]

But I mean, there were mad people in Louis. He did Sabrina Carpenter. He did doi.

[Sanchez]

He did a bunch of people, I think. What's her face? Lisa was in Louis Vuitton.

[Al]

Which one was that? Which alpha was it?

[Sanchez]

Lisa, Jenny, Rachel, Jessica, whatever. Asian girl I saw in the car mambo number five. Lisa's man is the heir to Louis Vuitton. Oh, did you guys not know this?

[Mark]

I was aware.

[Sanchez]

Did you guys not know this? Have you guys ever researched Lisa? You're busy learning about Jenny. I'm locked in on Lisa. I know that she is going to be the. Technically, the heir as well once they get married to Louis Vuitton. Did you not know this?

[Al]

I didn't know she was going to be the heir of Louis Vuitton.

[Sanchez]

Not only Louis Vuitton. Lvmh.

[Al]

Whoa. That's a lot of money.

[Sanchez]

Arnaud's kid is married or fiance up with Lisa.

[Al]

That's sick as hell.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Lucky him.

[Al]

Yeah. Are they married?

[Sanchez]

I don't know. Let's look it up. Why? What are you guys doing right now?

[Al]

You're plotting on something.

[Sanchez]

Lisa's reportedly in relationship with the son of luxury conglomerate LVMH boss Bernard Arnault, who is worth over $180 billion. You got to pull up a picture of both of them next to each other. Wait a minute. Sounds like you're making a joke.

[Al]

What do you know that we don't know?

[Sanchez]

Come on, now. Come on, Kenny. This guy is stupid like a fryer. What is he doing over there?

[Al]

He's accentuating his jaw.

[Sanchez]

I can't do that. Oh, no. Oh, no. That's not fair. You're just taking a shitty picture of him. That's not fair. That's not fair.

[Mark]

Yeah, that's every picture.

[Sanchez]

No, he looks better in that one.

[Mark]

Damn.

[Sanchez]

Yo, shout out to him for starting my space, man. Listen, Lisa. Lisa, is.

[Mark]

That is crazy. Nah, money really gets you everything, bro.

[Sanchez]

Nah, that is. Nah.

[Mark]

He got the baddest Asian in the world, right?

[Sanchez]

That look. He looks good. He looks like a young Wayne Gretzky right there.

[Al]

That's.

[Sanchez]

That's the angle he needs. Stop hating on him with those other angles and that. That haircut. Okay, you need to go. This is a little better now. We're doing a little better since you.

[Mark]

Got twin sisters, man.

[Sanchez]

Alex, you're being really insensitive. You're being really insensitive. Mark is littering. You're being insensitive. He's clearly with her girl group called blackpink, which is another way to describe where Rosa Parks was situated. Yo, how do we have a podcast, man? It's too many people that listen to this for us to be, you know, not. We need to be taking things more seriously.

[Al]

Yeah, we need to be more.

[Sanchez]

As Charlemagne says, you know, we're not Mature enough to have this conversation. And it is very true.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

You know, this is. This is an influential platform. You know, we decide who rules the free world on this platform here.

[Mark]

Oh, that's bad. Yeah, that's bad. Too much power.

[Al]

We owe it to audience, bro. We got it. We got to step it up.

[Sanchez]

What. How do we do better that?

[Al]

Just try to, you know, influence in selections here.

[Sanchez]

Have you ever flicked a zim.

[Al]

Can I have a fresh session?

[Sanchez]

Yes. I got you, my boy. I got you, my boy.

[Al]

Any other funny outfits? Like. Oh, they put. What did they put Stevie Wonder in there?

[Sanchez]

Oh, no, come on.

[Al]

I mean, every day is for him. Dude, what am I wearing now?

[Sanchez]

Are you gonna let him talk about one of your heroes like that?

[Mark]

Stevie's lying.

[Al]

Yeah, he's lying, bro. He's not even.

[Sanchez]

Ls L. You think he's been pretending to be blind all this time, bro?

[Al]

I was talking to dude in Atlanta about this. White people and black people conspiracies are so different, okay? Like, white people are like, 9, 11 the moon and black people, like, Stevie Wonders line.

[Sanchez]

The black people are getting into the flat earth shit, though. Have you been seeing. I've been seeing clips of Mark Lamont Hill on Joe Budden's podcast.

[Al]

No.

[Sanchez]

Have you been seeing him going back and forth?

[Mark]

I didn't.

[Sanchez]

This shit is hilarious. Because black people are just getting into the conspiracies from about, like, five years ago.

[Al]

Yep.

[Sanchez]

Flat earth being one of them. Have you seen any of this? Have you seen any?

[Mark]

I haven't seen it, but I'm already disappointed.

[Sanchez]

Okay. Why? Because.

[Mark]

Come on, that's. Just don't do it.

[Al]

It depends. If you're having fun, then it's great.

[Mark]

Are they having fun or do they really believe it?

[Al]

Let's find out.

[Sanchez]

You never know. It could be content.

[Mark]

Oh, if it's just for content, then it's fine because.

[Sanchez]

Wasn't Kyrie a flat earther?

[Mark]

Yeah, sometimes. Shut up and dribble is real. What? Come on, guys.

[Al]

I don't know if Kyrie was on flat earth.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, I think Kyrie was back in the day, remember? I think so.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

But he's on everything. He said some other wild. He's an Internet kid. Like, whatever's popping up in the moment. Yeah, you were right about that.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Like some guys over here.

[Sanchez]

He apologized in 2018 for his flat earth comments.

[Al]

Was he. What's the. What's the name of the. Of the God and the Nation of Islam that created white people. Have you seen this?

[Sanchez]

There's A God in the Nation of Islam that created white people.

[Al]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was looking into this devil.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, bro, you pull up Yakub.

[Al]

Pull up a picture of Yakub, dude. Oh, this is awesome.

[Mark]

Yeah, you got that up quick as.

[Al]

So this is Yakub. All right.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Stephen A. Smith. He's gonna be hosting first take this morning if you want to see what he got to say.

[Mark]

That is bad.

[Al]

That is. That is crazy.

[Sanchez]

God damn, bro.

[Al]

The God, like the alien God, even has a receding hairline. That's up. But yeah, apparently he, like. I don't know all the details, but he's like, like, invented white people, I think. Like, that's like a battle against black people, something like that.

[Sanchez]

Really?

[Al]

Yeah. I don't know what to do. Someone should fact check this. I don't want to be disrespectful to. To the nation.

[Mark]

You better watch out.

[Al]

I know they don't play.

[Mark]

They going to curse your wife out while you pass by.

[Al]

I mean, of all the Islams to piss off, the Nation of. I think is the least dangerous. Dangerous.

[Mark]

You know, they get down.

[Al]

Really?

[Sanchez]

Yeah, yeah. But they don't get down in the way that we're afraid of.

[Mark]

I mean, some would say they do. They have, like, the militant.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, but they're not gonna just blow up the plane.

[Mark]

Oh, okay.

[Sanchez]

That's the concern.

[Mark]

Yeah. In the hierarchy. Yeah, you're right.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark]

I think the ones the least afraid of are, like, the Kyries that they'll. They're Muslim today and then they're not.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, yeah. He's Native American tomorrow and all that kind of. Also, Yakub created white people because he brains, as you saw in that image. I just looked this up. Created white people with one half of his brain, and then his brain blew up and he died. So just want to let you know. That's the.

[Al]

Yo. My bad.

[Sanchez]

That's where white people come from.

[Al]

Yo went out for the dead dude. We put him on a T shirt. I believe that's what white people, too. Got him airbrushed on a talty. Let's go. Have you heard the Elmo's black?

[Mark]

No. I thought he was gay.

[Sanchez]

Like New York, New Yorker.

[Al]

They're saying, wait, what? Some girl. The show is like, no, Elmo is a black man. Like, there's a whole movement about Elmo being a black dude.

[Sanchez]

Why does the character have to be black? It's a Muppet.

[Al]

That's what I said.

[Sanchez]

Is it a Muppet? No, it's a Sesame Street.

[Al]

He's a sesame.

[Sanchez]

He's a sesame.

[Mark]

But the voice of Elmo is black, dude. That's why they say that.

[Al]

Oh, Kevin Clash. Hell yeah. But yeah, that's what. That's. This is what. Black turtles.

[Mark]

I thought they were saying he was gay, but maybe that's Ernie.

[Al]

Yeah, Burton ernie. Are they 100p?

[Mark]

Oh, okay.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

Dude.

[Sanchez]

No way.

[Al]

A weekend in Switzerland, just Bert and Ernie. You're telling me. You're telling me they're not gay. Sorry. Oh, God.

[Sanchez]

Also, everybody that's wondering where Akash is, we can't tell you. We cannot tell you right now. There's a reason why we didn't bring it up early in the episode, but we cannot tell you where he is, but we hope that he comes home safe. That's all. That's all I'm going to say.

[Al]

Yes.

[Sanchez]

We want to make sure that he comes home safe. He's not in Burkina Faso, where there has been a successful military coup that Mark will explain to us right now. He was diligently doing research before this podcast began.

[Al]

This is wild.

[Sanchez]

Didn't even say hi to any of us as we walked into the studio.

[Mark]

I was just.

[Al]

I was.

[Sanchez]

You were locked in.

[Al]

Face deep in my Mac, just getting hyped up. I'll be honest.

[Sanchez]

Okay.

[Al]

Because Ibrahim Tre. Yeah, that guy.

[Sanchez]

Here, come on. Come. Come sit here.

[Al]

Oh, hell yeah. Come here.

[Sanchez]

Come sit here. Break it down.

[Al]

No, we back.

[Sanchez]

Come sit here. Break it down. Come on, come on. All right, guys, stay. Break for a second. Okay. I want to talk about one of the healthiest sources of protein on planet Earth. That is the bone broth. Natural, loaded with nutrients. It's got gelatin and amino acids to support digestion, collagen to repair cartilage and support flexibility, immune health, and much more. And one of the most delicious ways to drink bone broth is with kettle and fire. Look at this delicious box of bone broth. Using real high quality bones, 100 grass fed beef bones, and organic free range chicken bones. This is the best tasting bone broth, hands down. Mark tried it. Mark did his bone broth fast. How did it go for you?

[Al]

It was amazing. I love fasting. I feel so great when I fast. I feel clear. I feel more sharp.

[Sanchez]

You don't have to believe any of that stuff, but it works out.

[Al]

It does work out.

[Sanchez]

It does work.

[Al]

It does work.

[Mark]

Okay.

[Al]

And I did the kettle on fire and I was like, oh, this is amazing.

[Sanchez]

See? Delicious.

[Al]

My wife makes bone broth. And then she was like, which one's better? I Was like yours. I'll be honest.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, it's the kettle and fire. Obviously, because she's not using the real bones. You don't know what your wife's probably using. Those bones from the bodies exhibit. Just Chinese slaves. This right here is beef bones and chicken bones. The real stuff. Okay? Don't use that homemade Chinese slave bones broth that Mark is using with him and his family. Okay? If you want to add some protein into your favorite dishes, Kettle and fire is a perfect way to sneak it in. Or if you're fasting, a little bone broth goes a long way to support your extended fast. Obviously Mark did it. Alex failed. He. He ate fucking carbonara. When we were down in Miami. This guy did not stop eating the second he saw sugar and dessert. He just devoured a whole platter of it. It was embarrassing.

[Mark]

You're not lying.

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[Al]

And we're back. Okay, you ready to talk about Burkina Faso?

[Mark]

Yes.

[Al]

And just, and just be mature about this. Okay. This is a serious issue and it's affecting a lot of people.

[Sanchez]

Where is Burkina Faso?

[Mark]

G. Teach us.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, let's, let's learn. But first of all, where is it?

[Al]

West Africa area like Mali.

[Sanchez]

Okay.

[Al]

And for years they were colonized by the French.

[Sanchez]

Okay.

[Al]

And the French basically colonized them and started taking all the resources.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

As they do.

[Al]

As they do.

[Sanchez]

Only them.

[Al]

Well, they apparently have. Their history of colonization is different. So like the British sometimes would like come in and like nanny state, but the French were just coming to be like we're taking everything, taking it all. So then they get independence in the 60s, but the French leave, but then prop up a bunch of their backed politicians that then run the country and just kind of siphon off all the resources to the French.

[Sanchez]

Right.

[Al]

Also the US kind of comes in, starts siphoning off resources and then they.

[Mark]

Leave military there that were able to like just like break up conflicts.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Mark]

Like even though they were free, there was like, no, we still going to.

[Al]

Leave some of our military presence. And then the president was, you know, backed by the French. And then they get this guy Sankara back in the day, he gets assassinated and he was trying to like liberate the country and nationalize the resources and then gets assassinated. And then basically from then until like, like 2016, they've just been under like kind of like French, you know, colonization, stealing all their. And then in 2022 this dude comes in and says, nah, that.

[Sanchez]

What's his name?

[Al]

Ibrahim Traori or Trori or something. And yeah, basically just takes back the country and starts nationalizing all the resources. So does a coup. Creates a government. And he's now the leader of. He's 37 years old.

[Sanchez]

Fire.

[Al]

And is just running the country.

[Sanchez]

Was he a military guy?

[Al]

Yeah, formerly military.

[Sanchez]

And then. So how did he get the loyalty of the military?

[Al]

Basically he was just like, yo, this is fucked up what they're doing, that all these presidents are like Mancharian candidates siphoning off of resources, leaving our country in squalor. Burkina Faso has, like, historically the lowest GDP or like, of the lowest GDP. 40% of the country lives below the poverty line. Everyone's struggling, but they have the fourth most gold of any African country. Just getting crushed. And they're like, what is happening? Why does this keep happening to us? And so then they do a military coup. And then the guy that leads military coup ends up getting out, ousted by him. So it's like a coup of a coup. Oh, of another coup. Like, there's just like all these different coups. And so he eventually gets appointed by, like, the coup board. And they're basically like, yeah, Ibrahim's gonna run it. And now why did the first guy get kicked out?

[Sanchez]

Do you know?

[Al]

They were unsure of his loyalty. Loyalty. And then also he wasn't going hard enough on the jihadists. So there's two problems happening in Burkina Faso, where the one is like, the French occupation. And then the other thing is you have jihadists coming in from, like, Mali that are now just placing these people in Burkina Faso. So they're coming through, like 2 million people have been displaced. Thousands of people have been killed by this, like, militant Islamist regime trying to create, like, an Islamic state.

[Sanchez]

What's their name?

[Al]

They're connected to Al Qaeda and isis. They have, like, super specific, like, you know, sets like, I don't know what the click specific name is, but yeah, basically he's come through and like, yo, we're nationalizing the gold. We're kicking all the jihadists out, and we're going to make Burkina FASA great again.

[Mark]

There's been like two assassination attempts on it. On his life.

[Al]

Oh, yes. So far, like, that we know. And they've tried to, like, coup him. So he got super popular recently, in April because they tried to do a coup on him. And he was like, nah, that and taken. So now what happens internally is that you have people within, like, your own regime trying to take you out. So there's Other people vying for power. Like people that helped you get to your position now trying to take you out.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

So now he's creating a system. I don't even understand how they're doing it. There's not even a ton of coverage on this. It's, like, hard to find. And he's basically, like, quelling and internal coups and basically appointed himself as, like, the leader of the country.

[Sanchez]

Holy.

[Al]

Kind of did away with, like, the. The democracy hit a quote where he was like, democracy's never progressed a country. No country's ever developed under democracy. We need, like, a strong king to, like, rule the shit. And it seems like he's doing it. So the people of Burkina Faso are, like, pretty stoked on it. And now this, like, authoritarian kind of thing is, like, spreading through Africa where people are like, we need this and every former colonist state because all of Africa has been now, like, beholden to their colonial ancestors or their parents, rather.

[Sanchez]

I imagine in the near future there will be no buying of the rights to your natural resources. There will only be partnering. Like, I think recently in, like, Trinidad, there was this leader who sold all of the. Because Trinidad has oil. So I think they, like, sold all the oil rights to the Chinese for, like, 100 years or, like, lease it for 100 years. And, like, the way this thing happened, happens is that they cut the deal so that that specific person gets super rich at the cost of the people. And this happens, I'm sure, all over the world. But I imagine as maybe one of the benefits of globalism is that there'll be these, like. There'll be these, like, like international policy, like, laws in place that will protect the colonial countries from doing this. But at the same time, these smaller countries do need the investment for infrastructure. So if you've got all this oil. Oil, and you need to find a way to get it out, but everybody's living in poverty. You need investment so it can operate in a similar way to. I'm trying to think, like.

[Al]

I mean, UAE is, in my opinion, the best example of this.

[Sanchez]

Okay, give me, give me.

[Al]

So, like, their British mandate the English control the whole area. And it's not even uah. It's all the separate emirates. And then they find oil in the 50s. And then Sheikh Zayed brokers a deal with the British and is like, hey, we're going to give you the oil. At first they started just beginning, like, taking the raw oil, not refining it in the country, not helping the people, just getting all the oil out of there. He goes, no, no, no, we're going to come together, unite all the Emirates and then nationalize the oil and refine it all here, and then partner with bp, so you guys get rights and then partner with the us, Exxon, all them. You guys get rights to the oil and then that's where the petrodollar comes from. So, like, hey, we're all going to trade our oil. We're going to give you guys good deals, we're going to partner with you guys and we're down to play ball, but we're going to help our people. People first. And was diplomatic enough to make it work. Like, he didn't get ousted or, you know, replaced.

[Sanchez]

I mean, there's a way where it's actually cheaper for the colonial countries to do this because they're like, hold on. So you'll organize it, stop all the warring factions? Because if there's war in the country, we can't extract oil. If we have to worry about GI is blowing some shit up or a coup happening, it stops the oil from coming. So there's a certain amount of, like, money that you have to pay for protection for your goods. So it's probably cheaper to have a leader that will give you access. And then that leader goes, okay, how much are you paying to protect all this? Okay, well, you don't have to pay that anymore because I'm going to protect it, but I want that Delta.

[Al]

Yeah. Historically, the cheapest thing was, let's just put our guy in who's going to give us everything.

[Sanchez]

Yes.

[Al]

And now we'll make him a millionaire.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Al]

And we'll just take everything.

[Sanchez]

But now the people are going, they're educated enough and maybe the Internet is available enough where people go, okay, this isn't fair and we're getting fucked.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And there's other examples, I guess, in Africa or even the Middle east where, like, there's a different system that actually benefits the people.

[Mark]

But then when you have situations like this happen, then they just take them out.

[Sanchez]

Like Gaddafi, that is. Yeah. I mean, that happens all around the world. But now maybe there's enough security where you don't get to do that, you know? And it's also, like, there's a lot of shame that goes along with that. Like, back in the day, you could take someone out and nobody really knows about it. But, like, if. If it's making news and somebody gets killed, you have to go, well, who killed him? And then if it trickles back to France, imagine how we're going to look at Macron. Or the leader ship over there that's basically okaying the murder of a. Not only the government official, but, like, the leading government entity in an independent country.

[Mark]

It's a yes and no, because a lot of people. It's over there, and we can just. It's like, out of sight, out of.

[Al]

And you kind of. You just fund a sort of separate military group to. And you fund five of them.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

And then whichever one wins, you're like, oh, great, we got a guy back.

[Sanchez]

But there's a cost, too, for that. It's like what the mafia bosses will always say. It's like when we're all war, we're not making money.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Brings way too much attention. Yeah. I think that the best. I really think that even for the colonial powers, it works better if you just take. Maybe making 10% less, maybe you're making 30% less, but you don't have to worry about. And you get to act like you're this, like, benevolent partner. Like, wouldn't you rather the world see you as somebody who's, like, lifting up these African nations instead of this, like, diabolical, like, I don't want to say like, terrorists, but, like, colonial. Colonial state, which, like, they.

[Al]

They kind of do. So, like, some of the colonists are like, no, no, we have, like, aid programs, and we're getting you guys aid and we're helping out.

[Sanchez]

But even that gets caught up by the people in charge if they're corrupt. Right. So then the food actually reaches the people. There's that great example of. I think it's Botswana, if I'm not mistaken. But there's this leader who was just like. I mean, you could argue, maybe look it up right now. But, like, one of the greatest leaders in history, and he basically took this African nation from squalor to, like, the highest, like, GDP of any African nation, the highest levels of education. He, like, slowly did it piece by piece. But first was. I think nobody actually had rights to their minerals. I think they had, like, diamonds. You can look at, see if it's Botswana. I'm not exactly sure. I forget this guy's name. I should know the name. But, like, great example of this. Like, you can do it. You can pull your country out of extreme poverty, but you cannot do it without the natural resources.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Like the number one. Like, because if without that, you just have nothing to pull from, what are you going to do? Tourism. Nobody wants to go there. People getting shot. They think your country's full of aids. They think. They think. No, no. But, like, unfortunately, that is the perception. Right. So people aren't going for, like, cute little vacations over there.

[Al]

Right.

[Sanchez]

One of the reasons why we can go to the Caribbean, all this kind of stuff, is because we're like, oh, it's safe. Yeah.

[Al]

Burkina Faso is in a tough spot because they're landlocked. So they require and rely on all their neighboring countries, transportation. Botswana, too.

[Sanchez]

So it's. It's. Those are the ones that are most difficult because they're also easily invaded.

[Al]

Yep. You're so dependent on the people around you.

[Sanchez]

Can you check to see if it is that guy?

[Al]

And then what's interesting is that a lot of people in Burkina Faso now, Ibrahim is kind of like, partnering with the Russians a little.

[Sanchez]

Oh, boy.

[Al]

Like, trying to, you know, get some infrastructure. Trying to, like, cozy up with them, because you kind of do need.

[Sanchez]

You need. You need a daddy.

[Al]

You need a little bit of a partner. Yeah. And so now Russia's like, hey, you know, you've been screwed over by the French. They Americans. Da, da, da. And the American diplomats are like, hey, this coup thing is crazy. And the Russians are kind of helping them out.

[Sanchez]

Yes. What is it?

[Al]

Say, comma.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, comma. And it was a commas elected as first president. And then he was just like. I mean, It's a great YouTube video I watch on it. And, like, some of these guys do these, like, really in depth, you know, historical accounts on YouTube, like, really, like, well researched with imagery and all this stuff. But this guy, comma, I think he's no longer in power. And I think the guy who followed him there isn't, like, tons of support, but I imagine he was in power for years. I think he had, like, a white wife, too. And that was a little bit snow bunnies, man. Yeah, he got snowbodied a little bit. I think he was educated in England, if I'm not mistaken.

[Mark]

I just hope we start seeing more of this happen in Africa and the countries just get their resources back, because there's so much wealth in Africa, and it's just being.

[Sanchez]

Well, that's why.

[Mark]

I know.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. But, yeah, you get them. You get people partnering. And, like, the tricky thing is you kind of need these people to be educated outside of their country, because if they're educated within their country, they're probably part of the propaganda machine that's kept people at bay. So it's almost like you want them to go to the colonial powers so they can learn what happened to their country in the most effective way, and then, like, go to these, like, institutions, like Oxford or Harvard or that kind of stuff. And, like, you'd, like, study business or geopolitics and you learn how trade actually works, and then you can start to broker these deals and build these relationships with the other countries. Especially right now, where, like, everybody's terrified of the value of currency. Like, I think gold is at, like $3,000 a pound or some insane price. So right now is the perfect time to own your fucking gold rights. Wow.

[Al]

You know, that's fascinating.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Because that's the hedge against currency.

[Al]

Yeah. And he's hooking up the farmers, too. He's, like, giving farmers free tractors. Like, he's like. So far, it seems like everyone likes him.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

This is since 2022.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

What he does with this sort of unchecked power, we shall see.

[Sanchez]

That's the thing. You need someone who's, like, truly benevolent.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Can you make sure that was right about that Botswana guy? I don't want to get that wrong.

[Mark]

And then I think there's, like, a movement in.

[Sanchez]

See if he's got a white. There's a YouTube video called Life and Legacy of Africa's Best president Ever. So that's the one. It might be, but there. There's a few that have been done on it. But it's specifically, like, what he did. Like, at a certain point, there was like, invasions. He's like, okay, well. Oh, the first thing was after natural. It was investing in education. He's like, because an educated populace is going to continue to innovate. And his wife was white, it looks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he had these. This, like, step to being a first world country or whatever it is. And, like, he fucking knocked it out of the park, you know? But naturally, having the. The resources was amazing. I think at one point, Batan was like, part of Zimbabwe or something like that. But, like, there was. He had to worry about invasions. He's like, okay, now we have to invest in military. Like, he just went through the process and he had enough support from the people. And it's possible. I guess that's the point is, like, it is possible.

[Al]

It's got to be immune to that corruption, though.

[Sanchez]

And that's hard.

[Al]

You get a seat at the table and they're like, bro, yeah, no, that's rough. Let's just give you everything you've ever wanted. Like, he grew up in a town of 2,000 people in the middle of Burkina Fasa, one of the most poor countries ever. And now people are going to them being like, yo, let's do a deal, let's work this out. You'll be a millionaire. Da, da, da. Billionaire. And you got to be able to be like, no, I'm good. I'm going to help my people.

[Sanchez]

What if you're that guy? What? You got something, Joy?

[Al]

Oh, that's right.

[Sanchez]

So, like, what if there's a. Like, I think about this all the time with Bukele. I would love to have the El Salvadorian president because it's like, did you see the.

[Mark]

I think it's him, but he just got caught selling a bunch of coke.

[Sanchez]

Bukele.

[Mark]

I'm pretty sure what.

[Sanchez]

I would look that up.

[Mark]

Yeah, look it up.

[Sanchez]

So it's like, before I congratulate him.

[Mark]

He owns some coffee business in Miami, and they just. There was a huge bust of, like, $30 million worth of cocaine that was supposed to be shipped to Germany. Like, these motherfuckers are crazy.

[Sanchez]

But check out.

[Mark]

Just double check. But I'm pretty sure that was. It's like Western media isn't covering it, only, like, Latin American news is covering it, and they're trying to keep it, like, super hush up.

[Sanchez]

And so he's doing what the CIA did. Make this country here nice.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

As I get back.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sanchez]

Like. Or what we did in Afghanistan where we took all the heroin fields.

[Al]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Don't sell it in your own country. But if Canada can sell asbestos to Thailand, then why can't El Salvador sell coke to some other countries? Like, it's what we tell people. People all the time. Like, the issue is taking advantage of your own people so that you can get rich over other people. We seem to look the other way. America's done it. A bunch of other countries done it. Seems like that's how you become a superpower in a way. Yeah. Whether it's through colonization or through selling, you know, narcotics. But, like, there's a market for this. The problem is, is when it just completely erodes the fabric of your society. Yeah. All right, guys, let's take a break for a second. I'm about to show you the most patriotic way to stay alert, stay energetic, and stay free. It's Black Rifle Energy. Yes. They have the coffee. Obviously, we've been running on the coffee. Okay. We've been running on the coffee for years. Keeping us up, making sure we vote, making sure we stay free. Okay. Storming the Capitol. I can't say that everybody was on it or they weren't. I'm not legally allowed to say that. My prediction is that just because it is so prolific, it was probably around Cacao. It did not cause it that at all. I'm sure. I'm sure during the Civil War, you know what? Black rifle coffee would be used by the North. By the North.

[Al]

By the north.

[Sanchez]

Okay. By the north. All right.

[Al]

Maybe that's why they won.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, that's I would think. But maybe there was times where the south maybe got a storage unit or something that the north had. Maybe they use it for a little bit, put up a good fight, but ultimately the north had it and that's why they were so prolific. Revolutionary War, 100% through that tea into the water, slurped down a black rifle coffee. Got the French to help us out. The French were drinking espresso. We're like, listen queers, why don't you take a black rifle energy drink or some coffee and let's win this war in a day or two. Done. That's what happened. Thank you very much. I need a little bit more on that. That was worse. Sounds like you use a black rifle. That's what it sounds like. Point that I'm trying to make is blackrifflecoffee.com use that promo code FLAGRANT. You get 30% off today and you're saving American energy. A lot of things. People think American energy comes from shale. No.

[Al]

Okay.

[Sanchez]

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[Al]

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[Sanchez]

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[Mark]

I'm pretty sure that is the bust, but apparently it was supposed to be in a shipment with this coffee that he partially owns, but we should put.

[Sanchez]

In allegedly right there.

[Mark]

Yeah, allegedly. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

The point that I'm trying to make, and I'm not trying to cap for him, but it's like, I wonder if on some level, let's remove this because I don't know what the truth is here, okay? You've taken your country from the most dangerous country in the western hemisphere to the safest. Okay? You have like 85% approval from your people. Okay, we'll, we'll look into one second. Believe that you have. I imagine it's a democracy, so there are term limits. Maybe let's say there are, you know, the next people that are going for election. You know them, you know them well. What if you see them and you're like, yo, they can't do it? Like, this guy's kind of corrupt. I've been like, looking the other way about it, but I know he's easily influenced. This guy's a fucking idiot. But the people like him, but they don't realize that he just doesn't have what it takes to do this. I understand the impulse to tyranny, even if it's benevolent. Now, I'm sure there's bad people that look at that same situation and they just go, I just want to keep my power. These people can't do it. But you really, you just want to keep your power. But is there ever a situation where you're like, I'm good. I don't think these guys can do it. Do I let it go because that is what upholds democracy, or do I create a tyrannical state because that's what Upholds the society that is benefiting every. Everyone. I guess what I'm trying to say is, like, there is a little bit more nuance to the. The. The. The need for power, and it is possible that there are certain people who are like, I don't even want to do this, but it's gonna fall apart if this guy gets in power, because I know him.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

I've seen him be corrupted already.

[Al]

Yeah. Well, everyone likes a good king.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

You know what I mean? Like, if you've got a good king that's running well and everyone's cool, like, yeah. Most people are down with that. They trust him.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

Like the wise king. You know what I mean?

[Sanchez]

I mean, Saddam ran into that issue with his fucking lunatic son, Uday.

[Al]

Oh, yeah. You know Uday.

[Sanchez]

No. He was like, an absolute fucking. Just evil motherfucker. He would have got him right there. I didn't say who I know. I said no. No. Uday was his actual son, and he was like, an absolute fucking lunatic. He tortured people, abused people, threw, like, crazy parties, would make people. He was, like, actually Game of Thrones King Joff Joffrey type shit.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And Saddam, like, to. Would try to, like, reel him in and would burn his cars. Like, he owned a bunch of nice cars, and he burned his cars one time to, like, threaten him. He put him in jail for, like, a night. But, like, Saddam couldn't really reel him in. But also.

[Al]

I'm gonna count to three. Uday. Torturing.

[Sanchez]

But Saddam would also then name other people his successor. His successor. And it would piss Uday off even.

[Al]

Even more.

[Sanchez]

He had his, like, crazy happen.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. When you know there's no repercussions to your actions, you're gonna act out.

[Al]

Yeah. And he was just.

[Sanchez]

He. He tortured the. The Olympic team.

[Al]

He's, like, one of the most brutal dudes ever. Like, the stuff he did is insane. There's old documentaries on, like, his atrocities where it's just, like, pulling people off the street, murdering them.

[Sanchez]

Also, like, where does he learn that? You don't learn that from the movies. Like, you're seeing that within your family dynamic, or at least you're seeing your. Your dad use power in that way, and you think it's okay. Got his uncle Sh. Wild stuff. Yeah.

[Mark]

Or you can just step it up, like.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Yeah, maybe. But maybe there's a version where he feels like stepping. Stepping it up is, you know, currying favor with his father.

[Al]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

I'm not trying to say that, like, Saddam is this, like. I guess my point Is he's not this like, great guy, but his son is even worse. Yeah, but I've seen kids like this on much like lower levels, where it's just like, you got this like, rich kid. You guys probably grew up with them, and where like, they never really get in trouble for every anything they get. You went to private school. Shut up.

[Al]

I didn't.

[Sanchez]

You went to private school.

[Mark]

No, I didn't.

[Sanchez]

It was private. Your bard was.

[Mark]

You have to take a test to get in. But there was no payment for it.

[Sanchez]

I thought bard is private.

[Mark]

No, it's public.

[Sanchez]

Not public.

[Mark]

I mean, you have to test to get into the school, but outside of that, there's no payment for it. Swear to God.

[Sanchez]

Come on, son.

[Mark]

I'm just smart.

[Al]

But the tricky thing now with Ibrahim is that all these other countries want authoritarian leaders. Like there's like a push towards authoritarianism because he's been so great so far.

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

That now are you going to have other countries in the region being like, where's our Ibrahim? And then are you going to get bad actors that are like, I'll do it.

[Sanchez]

I actually think he's right, though. I don't think democracy is the. Is the quickest way to progress. Like, democracy led us to civil war. Let's not.

[Al]

Maybe not the quickest. In fairness, he said no democracy has led to prosperity or something like that.

[Sanchez]

Well, that's the quickest way is what Singapore did.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Like 50 years. You go from a jungle to a first world country.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Like, the quickest way is you have like a party in charge and you hope to God they're benevolent. And then you ride that till the wheels fall off. And then maybe then once a culture is set, you could start to create some form of democracy. But I have a hard time believing that. Like, you just go, oh, yeah, we'll vote and everything will be perfect. It's like you haven't even established what the culture is, what you guys need, what the identity is.

[Al]

You need like, educated populace. You need people to have access to info.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. People are so easily manipulated, especially now with the Internet. You're going to just let democracy happen. Happen in Burkina Faso?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Just hand out cell phones to these people in the. In the middle of the. In the middle of wherever the they're living. And like. Yeah, you're going to see some get riled up. No.

[Al]

Yeah. No country is developed under democracy.

[Sanchez]

I also don't think that people give a about democracy anymore. I think that was like. No, like, I mean, that's funny with us but like, but no, I mean like, like, you know how like we used to feel like it was our, our job to spread democracy.

[Mark]

Oh yes.

[Sanchez]

Like, I don't think Americans care about spreading that shit. Like, we just want people that agree with our way of living. So if you got a dictator that agrees with it, bet. If you got a prime minister, bet.

[Al]

Yeah. It's so crazy. Even like Vietnam time, how they convince people that communism was like an existential threat.

[Sanchez]

I do think that is true.

[Al]

But like, how do they get people to be like, yo, we got to stop it.

[Sanchez]

Well, I got to look more into this like McCarthy or like the MacArthur. MacArthur.

[Al]

McCarthy.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, I got to look into those hearings because he might been right about that. Like, because I think that there is like, I think communism is very seductive. Right. Especially when it's not applied. When it's not applied, it looks like the best thing ever. Like we have to support people, we have to help poor people have a part of the industries in which they work so they're not just cogs in the machine. Like, and if you have a populace, especially a time like now which just feels like jobs are hard to get and they're slowly like being more and more taken advantage of, of by the wealthy, introducing an idea like communism, call it something else. Americans would be like really into it. This sounds great.

[Mark]

If done right, it's actually a great thing.

[Sanchez]

Exactly.

[Mark]

It's never done.

[Sanchez]

Never done right. But like the fact that it sounds like a great thing can easily sway an uneducated populace or even an educated one. Matter of fact, sometimes education is even better. Right. Because you'll see like what the true benefits of these things are. So I understand American at that time going ship. This is spreading because all these poor people around the world really want some equity in the industries that they're, you know, building up. If that continues to spread, it could easily spread over here because why wouldn't every American want that? But that could kill, potentially could kill American prosperity if it's not done right.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

So I, I get like it as an existential threat, us being over there in Vietnam. I don't know. I don't know why we think like, if Vietnam falls, then Kansas City does. But I do get the idea that like, oh, this is kind of catching steam. And then I furthermore get why the rich people in America would really not want that.

[Mark]

Yes. So it's like that's, that's the threat.

[Sanchez]

It's almost like double incentivized.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

You know what I mean? Like the rich people who are like, we. We definitely don't want. This is going to our business up and then like the. The permanent government people going, yeah, it hasn't really worked in any of these other places, but it's really seductive. All right, we're in cahoots on this one where there might be things that the rich people really like, but the American government is like, nah, you got monopolistic practices. We need to break that shit up. Because it's actually going to people over and the rich be like, no, no, that's what we do. We people over and like, yeah, you're not going to do it now.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

So when rich people in government are aligned, you're fucked. Right? When rich people in government are not aligned, there's a battle.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sanchez]

The video.

[Al]

Wait, which one?

[Mark]

The one with the.

[Al]

About the cocaine.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. What's up, guys? So pretty much Bukele owns a coffee brand called Beans of Fire, which is.

[Mark]

Based in Miami, and they just got.

[Sanchez]

Caught with $31 million worth of snow powder. You know what I'm talking about? $31 million in their shipment to Belgium. So the president personally owns.

[Al]

Bukele personally owns a coffee brand that's.

[Sanchez]

Based in Miami that's caught shipping drugs.

[Al]

To Belgium, but for some reason nobody's talking about it except Hispanic news sources.

[Sanchez]

So Bukele responded at saying that somebody's trying to smear him.

[Al]

So let me get this straight.

[Sanchez]

Somebody put $31 million worth of snow powder in a shipment just to smear a dictator wannabe? And why does he own a coffee company based in Miami?

[Al]

This is what I told you guys.

[Mark]

This is what do Huerte did in the Philippines.

[Sanchez]

Pretty much. They took out the competition in El.

[Al]

Salvador, he took out his drug rivals.

[Sanchez]

In El Salvador, and they are becoming the main providers of drugs, the main.

[Al]

Sellers, the main cartel.

[Sanchez]

And that's why he's best friends with Donald Trump. So our tax dollars are going to a drug dealer in El Salvador? I'm not. Yo, Loki. I'm not against this. It's fucked up.

[Mark]

Go on it, go on it.

[Sanchez]

It's fucked up, but the world is fucked up. Okay, so like when asbestos was banned in Canada, they were still selling it to like Vietnam or Thailand or something like that. Like, they already recognized that asbestos was causing cancer, so they banned in their own country, but they were still shipping it out to third world countries where they would eventually go get cancer. And I don't know if it was as direct as asbestos. Maybe asbestos was in like the drywall or whatever the they were sending, but, like, they knew that there was something was banned in their country that they were sending out to the world. I think this probably happens a lot. I think that there's probably chemicals that we create here that we're like, ah, this isn't good for our food, but we'll send it out to other countries.

[Mark]

But why are you okay with that?

[Sanchez]

I'm okay with it. I'm not saying it's good, but what I'm saying is I don't know if this is dissimilar to practices that we and other, like, righteous first world countries do.

[Mark]

Therefore, I get it, but I'm still against it. I would say, hey, of course, don't do it.

[Sanchez]

The right thing is to say, don't do it. But the other thing is to be like, okay, we have all these fields. We've seized the fields. We have all this cocaine. We can find ways to sell it, we can profit off it. Whether we continue to do it or not is, I guess, up to us as a country. They get to decide whether cocaine is illegal to sell for people or for the government in their country. Canada decided that it was illegal, but they still were producing it and selling it. So it's your product. If other countries want it, they can find a way to get there. Like, it's up. What to me is most important is that you're prioritizing your own people. So if you are uplifting your own people through what we would deem as, like, nefarious various acts. Yeah, maybe it's like a little bit. Maybe it's bad, maybe a lot of bad, but it is less bad than selling those drugs to your own people.

[Al]

Okay, is it possible that there's a cartel that's like, yo, we're gonna ship this stuff. We own the shipping, and we're gonna throw our own product in there, and then it'll get sorted out when it get lands.

[Sanchez]

I also don't. I. I not only do I think that's possible, I also think it's possible that there is somebody trying to smear him.

[Al]

Perhaps.

[Sanchez]

Like, I think it's very possible. You have someone with that much power, power, that much support. And he's saying certain things that are disrupting. I won't say disrupting governments.

[Mark]

$30 million to smear a person.

[Al]

Like, but again, these cartels make crazy money. Like, $31 million. It's almost tricky because it's like, it is a lot of money, objectively, of course. But, like, if you're a cartel with hundreds of millions Billions. Yeah, it's like, oh, we can use this for political leverage or yo, we're just going to throw this in our shipment and maybe that's the only one that got caught, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, they might have been too.

[Mark]

Well, the cartels and you take out all the criminals. Criminals. Like aren't they. They're supposed to be all locked up right now.

[Sanchez]

That's, that's what I'm saying.

[Mark]

It's like if this shit is still happening, so then does the government or you know what's going to happen or.

[Sanchez]

Does the government take it over and then it's like a national resource.

[Mark]

That's what seems more likely. Look, and I'm like, if America was.

[Sanchez]

Trade into the heroin in Afghanistan, which I, I don't know, I don't have like factual evidence that we did that. I think at some point in time we did take over like the poppy production, which eventually but becomes the heroin. Like, and if that was part of the GDP of Afghanistan and they recognize and they're like, well, we can either give them the money or we can sell this. Are we really going to on El Salvador for doing it? I guess to me what's most important is if you're trying to uplift a country from poverty, destitute poverty and violence, like there's probably going to be. You're going to crack some eggs on the way. Yeah.

[Mark]

Greater good is, is how are the people doing now?

[Sanchez]

The cost of how the people doing are how people in Belgium are snorting coke. I'm like, boo hoo. If he's selling asbestos to third world countries so his people can be okay. It's like, okay, you're over more poor people so that your poor people can get rich. I'm not saying it's okay to over rich people, but like I imagine in Belgium you have a choice whether or not you're gonna buy fucking cocaine and snort it when you go out drinking.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah. And then gatekeeping a different country doing the shit that a bunch of first world countries do.

[Sanchez]

Which what is that? What does that mean?

[Al]

Like if a bunch of first world countries do a bunch of to get rich and then other countries try to do it and then whoa, whoa, whoa, son.

[Sanchez]

We did that like low key. I kind of feel like we did that with the industrial revolution. It's like we were polluting the whole world, became an industrial superpower. Then the rest of these countries try to do it. We're like, we have to worry about the environment.

[Al]

Like China, what are you doing? Smog.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. I'm not trying to make some pro China argument, but it's like, what do you think our skies look like in from 1800-00s to 1960?

[Al]

But it is kind of smart.

[Mark]

100.

[Al]

It is kind of smart if you're like, if you're running it. If you're America being like, yeah, you guys can't do what we did.

[Sanchez]

This is what. This is what I'm saying. Like, it, like, the expectations for your country are different for the expectations for the world, and I'm kind of okay with that. And if we can use these different levers to apply leverage so it's more beneficial to us, I'm kind of okay with that. Like, we don't live in this utopia where every country just wants every other country to do well. We. This, this is a race.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

So we got to treat it like a race.

[Al]

I wouldn't say I'm okay, but I do recognize the game. Maybe okay isn't the right word, but I recognize game. I'm like, yeah, this is the game.

[Sanchez]

And we have to play it within the confines of our ethics.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And the ethics within our country are different and we acknowledge this than outside of our country. And we got allies. And then the ethics with our allies are like, a little bit closer to us. Like, so how we treat Great Britain is going to be a little different than how we treat some third world countries.

[Al]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

And what we're willing to do.

[Al]

And I'm not pearl clutching like, oh, this is the. These guys are the mafia. I'm like, everyone's the mafia.

[Sanchez]

Everyone's the mafia. Okay.

[Mark]

I, I hate when we get too far into Trumps, but this stuff is like, I feel he's moving in a way that it's just like, so in your face before, it's like, rich people just pay behind the scenes. You don't really know who was doing.

[Sanchez]

This, but now you think it's blatant. Yeah. Like, what. What are the examples of that? I'm not saying you're wrong, but like.

[Mark]

The crypto coin thing, like, where it's.

[Sanchez]

Like, what do you do?

[Mark]

So now it's the top 50 holders get a meeting with Trump that's just paying for access.

[Sanchez]

So he's essentially selling access. Yeah. Now I guess, is a little crazy. So I agree with what you're saying, which is, like, what you're doing is you are pulling away the curtain. Yeah. And like.

[Mark]

And I don't know if that's good or bad.

[Sanchez]

Well. Well, the thing is that we like curtains. We like curtains. Curtains help everybody. They keep your private ship private and my private ship private. And what we do behind those curtains, nobody really knows about. And if people don't know about it, we can pretend it's not happening. And the reality is the rich people always pay for access. Goldman Sachs did it with Obama. Somebody other company did it with Trump. Some other company did it with Com. Like, all these countries are paying for access. There's a reason why all those billionaire corporations were lined up behind Trump during the inauguration and they gave him the million bucks each, like they paid for access. But what he's saying is, hey, guys, we do pay for access here. And I think the American people are like, why don't you just lie to us and do it like y'all did before? We don't want to think that that's how things work. So I know it seems like I'm probably defending him. I'm not. I agree. I like to think that there is no access paid for. The problem is, is that I wonder if him and other. I wonder if his administration, specifically, since he was one of those people that paid for access. I wonder if he's like, doesn't everybody know this is how it works? Like now we're just letting people pay for access. Yeah, maybe.

[Mark]

Maybe. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

I don't know.

[Mark]

That's why I asked the question. It's like, no judgment. I was like, I don't even know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's just like, it's just so different than how things have always been.

[Sanchez]

You know what I'm like, whoa. It's like when you're at one of these fans fancy events and like, you know, somebody's like, somebody's eating their food the way you would just eat your food. Like if I got a chicken tender, I'm eating with my fingers. And all these other fancy people, like, why do they we eat this with a fork and knife? It's like, you're only doing that because everybody else here would look at you funny. But when we're all home alone, we eat with our fingers. Now, I don't know if that's, I don't think that that's a good justification, by the way. I think that there should be no pay for access. I don't think it's should be transparent or I don't think it should be face. Yeah, either way. So I get that you reaction you have. You're like, what the is happening over here? And I, I, I guess I Just wonder if, like, if they're going, yeah, this is how it is. Yeah, we're just telling you probably.

[Al]

Well, that's kind of the accelerationist thing where it's like, there's people that don't like Trump that are like, it's good what he's doing because he's airing it all out, and then hopefully people will see how corrupt everything is. Is, and then we can fix it. But let him air it all out. Let him do all these things where they expose how corrupt everything is and what he's doing is wrong. But the next thing will be better because we can stop it.

[Sanchez]

Oh, got it. So Trump is not airing it out in a way to expose other people. He's even exposing himself, is what they would say. But through exposing himself, he is exposing the system that does exist, just behind closed doors. And once we're all privy to the system that does exist, exist, then we could change it. Because that's what I feel like his administration does all the time. The second they do something with immigrants, they just go, oh, look how many immigrants. But I think Obama was like, I was. Obama's wife Michelle was like, I was crying when I saw the deportations. And then they were like, Your husband deported 4 million more people than he did. Right. Like, and I think that's what the Republicans get a lot of wins on, is that the Democrats kind of virtue signal without reflecting on the, like, what they've done. And then the Republicans come in and dunk. So what Mark is saying is, like, the next 10 years or whatever it is could be a reflection on what both parties have done, either out in the open or behind closed doors. And then we, as Americans get to go. Yeah, we don't like any of that. That's. That's ugly.

[Al]

You hope we either fix it or put up some more curtains. Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. Or. I don't know, maybe what. I'm curious what you think, like, do we just take all the curtains away and just kind of be honest with who we are?

[Al]

Yeah, I don't know if. I don't know if you can have a society function that way, though.

[Sanchez]

I. Probably not.

[Al]

I have no idea. I don't know if any country's really done that where, like, all the curtains are off. Actually, this is the Vietnam thing. I'm watching that documentary on Netflix right.

[Sanchez]

Now, but I want to hear about that rat thing, too.

[Al]

Oh, my God. That is fire.

[Sanchez]

Did you get into that? Did you do the episode on it already or. Okay, is it. Does it conflict if we talk about it here?

[Al]

Not at all. But the Vietnam thing, like they made an interesting point in the doc where they're like, that is the moment where America all like the curtain started to tear. Like that was the, the moment.

[Sanchez]

Cuz right after World War II, I imagine like we are heroic, virtuous, benevolent, kind, caring. Our Americans died for other people to live. And there's nothing more beautiful than that.

[Al]

And through the 50s you got some Pacific theater stuff, but it's like, oh, they're just patching up World War II. No one even really knows what's going on. And then Vietnam is the first moment where it's like, yes, we're going to do it again. We're going back out. And then they get out there and they're like, why are we, what are we doing? Why are we here? Like, why? What is the point of all this?

[Sanchez]

Yeah.

[Al]

And then you start to see like the, the tears come in like all the conspiracy stuff comes in around that time, like jfk, obviously, the Gulf of Tonkin stuff. Like, what is, what is America actually.

[Mark]

Yes.

[Al]

And is it good or bad? I don't know. You get like a rise in conspiratorial thinking.

[Sanchez]

I imagine.

[Al]

Good or bad? I don't know.

[Sanchez]

I imagine like upon learning these things like during that time, I imagine upon like once the. Once you see terror tears in that fabric, there's an extreme pendulum swing where everything becomes conspiracy, which is not dissimilar to kind of what's happening now, which is like, whoa, we've seen some fabric tears, like big time. And then the conspiracy shit went crazy. And the craziest version is flat earth. Like, but the fact that we could believe everything is a conspiracy, like Bukele said, they're smearing me. And my knee jerk reaction was like, that could happen. Like things have, have happened like that.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Or he could just be selling the co like.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sanchez]

Okay. So that's. So that's Vietnam era disillusion.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Have we ever recovered from that?

[Al]

I don't know. I'm. I mean, I don't. I mean, no. Like, I think the cracks are still there, but as long as everything's fine, you don't really notice.

[Sanchez]

Yeah. You only notice the cracks when the, when the economy.

[Mark]

I think we would have after 911 if they didn't expose the weapons of mass destruction stuff.

[Sanchez]

If we just went on believing it.

[Mark]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

The fact that there was this self reflection going, hey, there were no weapons of mass destruction. What we did was fucked up. And a bunch of these military companies got Rich.

[Mark]

Because I never saw the country together as one. After 9 11, everybody was like, American flags, pro America, everything. Everybody.

[Sanchez]

I'm so diabolical now. There's, like, a part of me that's even thinking, like, the real puppet masters, like, when there's no actual bad guy for us to fight out there, that's, like, threatening. Do we create internal bad guys and then rebuke them as a country? Now we're united again. Then a new internal bad guy rebuke united. So it's like weapons of mass destruction. That's we're all coming down and we got that bad guy out of here. And now we're heroes of our own story. Without needing a Hitler or without needing a Mussolini or without needing a Stalin. With Stalin. Weren't we kind of aligned, though, with Stalin?

[Al]

I mean, in World War II, but then the second war ended, and now he was the threat of communism.

[Sanchez]

But I wonder if you're, like, doing, like, next level. What is that? Like, country craft?

[Al]

Yeah. Statecraft.

[Sanchez]

Statecraft.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Dude, that's kind of scary. Yeah, but that's probably the conversations they have. They're like, yeah, we got 350 million people. How do we get these people to just chill the out?

[Al]

Yeah, yeah. And then kind of like the movie. The movie studio thing. You probably have real people that have, like, real honest opinions that we need to do this. And then you have the. The, you know, people at the top, maybe, that are like, yeah, we just need to keep the money coming in, keep everything moving economically, and they kind of team up, push an ideology, and they're like, yeah, we can. We can become number one with this.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Al]

I don't know.

[Sanchez]

Okay, tell me the rat thing.

[Al]

Here's the shortest version. Universe 25. You ever heard of this?

[Mark]

No.

[Al]

There's an experiment that this guy did in the United States, the guy John Calhoun. And he was a researcher at the National Institute of Health. And basically he was doing these rat experiments where he was trying to see basically, the effects of urbanization. So, like, post World War II, you have these cities propping up all over the country. They're, like, expanding. You got New York, Chicago, Louisiana. They're becoming these massive hubs where people are living, these small towns, tiny little apartments. And basically, he was doing these rat experiments to see if you had all your resources met, you had food, you had housing, all that stuff. Just by overpopulation, would it lead to social decay? And so he takes so real quick.

[Sanchez]

Because I think it's really important there's enough food there's enough shelter, okay. So you are met with everything you need or we thought that you needed to thrive.

[Al]

So he creates what he calls the rat utopia for the mouse utopia, where it's 10 square feet and they have all the food possible, they have all these compartments. It has a holding capacity of 3,000 mice. He drops eight of them in there with like robust DNA that they can procreate effectively. And for 100 days they just start, you know, banging. Just mouse sex everywhere. They have a bunch of kids and then slowly things start to decline. So around like two years in, it's like a 600 day, it's like a five year experience.

[Sanchez]

They're all helping each other, they're living great. There's like, there's everybody's happy and everyone's cooperating.

[Al]

So like the mothers have the kids, the, the males are like protecting their families. Da da da. And then at a certain point at like a thousand rats or a thousand mice, it starts to fall apart where now there's conflict and around like these high traffic zones. So like whenever the mice are coming in contact to each other, they're like hyper aggressive. And then the female mice are not protecting their young. And then they start getting into cannibalism and the mice are actually eating each.

[Sanchez]

Other when they don't have to. There's enough food, there's enough food.

[Mark]

Oh, even when the population grew, they just kept the food out level where.

[Al]

Everybody, oh, there's enough food for every mouse. So every time a new mouse is born, they inject more food, more food, more food. So everyone has enough food, but they're still fighting and they're still fighting. And then they're creating tribalizes, right? Yeah, yeah. And they have all their different compartments, they can all spread out. And then at these food centers, these like high traffic zones, they start to get aggressive. And then it goes even further. Once they get to like 2000, the birth rate starts to drop. They stop procreating. Mothers start stop protecting their kids at certain parts of it. There's a 90% mortality rate of young because mothers are not protecting their kids. And so then you have hyper aggression from the males, lack of maternalism from the females. And then the most interesting part is that you get some of the mice that become socially detached. So he calls it in the experiment the beautiful ones. And there's an interesting parallel with Japan. So the beautiful ones in the experiment are these mice that basically just checked out. They had food, they would go in their little compartments and they would just groom themselves like neurotically and they were pristine. They were like the most beautiful mice of the whole thing. Some of them were, like, chewed up and eaten up in battles and stuff. These ones were just fully detached. They were like. They had nothing to do with the society. Now there's a thing happening in Japan right now, the Hoku, the Hokimori, if you can look it up. And basically it's a group of people in Japan that have kind of like dubbed themselves these, like, detached people of society that don't really participate. They get, like, some assistance from the government, and they just kind of like live in their houses and they don't really go out. And they are completely isolated from any type of community. And as a result. Yeah, the hikikomori.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, hikikomori.

[Al]

And they just leave in extreme isolation. And people have pointed to this. Be like, this is basically the beautiful ones of the experiment. They just kind of detach fully from society.

[Sanchez]

But I would also imagine that the birth rate decline mirrors the decline of birth rates in urban centers.

[Al]

Right. Because what people have said.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, the violence, it's like, it's not like. And again, I can't speak for everyone in New York, but it's not like people, like, I see fat homeless people here. You know, like, you'd be like, there's food here, there's food centers. It's not like there's starvation happening.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

Yes. There are people that are worried about their next meal. But it's different than in third world countries, let's put it that way. And there is access to resources if you need it here. But you still see this reduction in birth rate. You still see the tribalism.

[Al]

You still see hyper aggression.

[Sanchez]

Hyper aggression. And it's funny that it's not about resources. It could be simply about proximity and how humans interact with one another. When there's too many of us and too small space, we're not just fighting over gold or water or food. It's simply we're not supposed to be around each other like this. It could literally be that.

[Al]

Yeah. And so the eventual conclusion of the experiment, it didn't even get to the holding pass. It got to like, 2300, 2400. And then the numbers started going down. They stopped reproducing until eventually the whole society just fell out. They call it behavioral sink. Behavioral sync is just the whole thing basically just like, crashed down. And the interesting part is they took some of the mice out and put them into normal enclosures. And even the mice that they took out never adapted to the new enclosures. They continue to have aggressive tendencies or non maternalistic tendencies. And so they still had the maladaptive behavior from the original experiment. And then the kids of the mice with maladaptive behaviors continued to have hyper aggressive tendencies. And so there was like an epigenetic problem within the mice where they could prolong the effect.

[Sanchez]

This is actually something we could, we should talk to Atiya about about with the epigenetic effects like where you could potentially pass on trauma. This is really interesting. Women are born with all the eggs that they'll have throughout their menstrual cycles. Therefore they're less susceptible to epigenetic factors. Meaning like whatever's happening in your environment and how it influences you, what you pass on. Since they're born with all the eggs that they'll have, it's harder to transform those eggs and then pass on those genetic differences. What essentially is happening is all of evolution is happening through sperm. So the things that happen to the male, remember we reproduce sperm every five days or whatever it is like you bust a few loads and then you continue having. So the things that are happening to in your life that are impacting your life, the food that you're eating, the environments you're in, the things you're experiencing, you could say it is passed through to your young, through the male because that sperm can be manipulated by the microplastics or all these other things that are happening in the world. Kind of interesting that like evolution is dependent on the man.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

You know what I mean?

[Mark]

Like it is happening to women just at a much slower rate.

[Sanchez]

Not saying that these things aren't affecting them, they 100% are, but they're not changing the egg in real time.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sanchez]

Whereas like the sperm can be changed like month by month. It's just kind of a crazy thing.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sanchez]

Like, and I don't know if this works, but like you going to war and coming back and carrying that trauma, I don't know how that affects your sperm. I, I don't know. But if there is some sort of societal or environmental effect on your sperm and it could impact it. Like is there a point where you go, I think you got to hold off five years, years so you can work through this stuff that's in your body. Like you were exposed to this thing in At War. It could be Agent Orange or whatever like that that's going to be in your sperm. Or you were addicted to heroin for X amount of years. Like you need to flush whatever you got out before that same thing gets passed on.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Sanchez]

I don't know if the research has been done to that level, but it's kind of cool to think about.

[Al]

Yeah, I've even read some stuff with like epigenetics. Again, this might be pseudoscience, but genetics is environment.

[Sanchez]

Right. It's just like epigenetics as I understood.

[Al]

It is like basically passing on genes and having traits in your young that are environmental from the parents.

[Sanchez]

Right.

[Al]

So it's basically like if the parents experience something possible to genetically pass.

[Sanchez]

That's just what I want to clarify. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Al]

But like through like emotional shit or like high stress environments, like high anxiety parents having children in high anxiety times could create high anxiety children even if they're no longer anxious or raised in a non, non anxious environment. I don't know necessarily what the data is on the current science, but I've heard these things.

[Sanchez]

This is the cool shit to learn about though.

[Al]

Yeah, we should talk to a T about it.

[Mark]

Just one thing. On the RAD experiment, I feel like people in condensed areas tend to be a bit more open minded and liberal towards other people because of the close conflicts. So isn't that like going against what happened in that experiment?

[Sanchez]

In terms of.

[Al]

The critics of the experiment would be like a few things. One, humans aren't mice. That's the opposite. One, they don't have consciousness or the ability to discern threat or not. They're just kind of acting on it.

[Sanchez]

Probably have lower capacity to change intellectualized situations.

[Al]

And then additionally people said that this is not a utopia. He called it a rat utopia. There's high density channels where people are bumping into each other. There's intentional conflict on these frequency corridors where One, if you can build an urban design well enough, you can decrease that. And two, in the wild, mice, when they're experiencing a threat, are going to run. They're not going to fight.

[Sanchez]

They have no place to run.

[Al]

Exactly. They're fighting because they're in an enclosure.

[Mark]

Gotcha.

[Sanchez]

That's, that's a good, that's a very.

[Al]

Like you can leave a city, you know, like you can run away from a conflict like that.

[Sanchez]

To wrap this up.

[Mark]

Go, go jail.

[Al]

Exactly.

[Mark]

More so nicely ran jail.

[Al]

But as a result, policymakers have taken the experiment and applied it to like theme park design, jails, all that kind of stuff.

[Mark]

Smart.

[Al]

Where they're like, okay, in the experiment there's only four zones where like they can get food. Something like that. And now they're like, disperse it, put it all over. So like now theme parks will have food, like tiny little like 50 person stands all over, rather than one giant spot where everyone can get food because they're trying to lower contact.

[Sanchez]

And I would also say, like, another criticism of the experiment and why you can't exactly compare it to the urban centers in America is that, like. And maybe this is why the urban centers continue to thrive is because people move here. If it was just us, it would fall apart. I genuinely believe that. And I think a lot of us end up moving out. Like, a lot of my friends that grew up in New York, like, have just moved. They went to the suburbs. They don't go too far, but they get out of it. They get out of the rat race. And like, even, like, you know, I mean, your sister went to Philly.

[Mark]

Yeah. But ever since she was young, she never liked being around people. Like, she was a suburban person. Right.

[Sanchez]

I mean, you guys grew up in a beach community, so there is. She's probably searching for that. But in all seriousness, I think that what allows these urban centers to continue this inorganic way of living is this influx of new people hopping on to the American dream. And I don't know if it was just us, I think about this a lot. We're used to it and we're accustomed to it, but it is unnatural.

[Al]

Well, then you look at Japan, you're like, okay, very low immigration, very low emigration, and what's happening? And now are you experiencing societal collapse? Are they having the super low birth rate? Are they having this social detachment?

[Sanchez]

And they are. Right.

[Al]

That's what people would say. And what is the eventual fallout of that? What is the conclusion of that according to these experiments? Not great.

[Sanchez]

Yes.

[Mark]

Just send some Mexicans, man.

[Sanchez]

Yeah, we love y'all. We appreciate you, man. And we're gonna see you next week. Peace.