Your Girlfriend Secretly Hates You, Here’s Why

Summary

Podcast Summary: Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh Episode: Your Girlfriend Secretly Hates You, Here’s Why
Release Date: February 19, 2025

Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh tackles the often unspoken frustrations men face in modern relationships. In this candid and humorous episode, hosts Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh, along with their co-hosts Mark Gagnon, Kiana, Tanya, Dove, and Eddie, delve deep into the dynamics of effort, expectations, and resentment between men and women.

1. The Valentine's Day Revelation

Andrew opens the discussion by referencing a viral Instagram post that garnered 12 million views, highlighting widespread frustrations women have towards men in general.

Andrew Schulz [00:00]:
"It turns out women aren't that happy with us. And by us, I don't just mean Alex, Mark, Akaash, and Andrew. I mean just men in general."

2. Effort in Relationships: Expectations vs. Reality

The conversation shifts to the concept of effort in romantic relationships. The hosts discuss scenarios where men are expected to go above and beyond simple gestures, such as cooking versus ordering food.

Akash Singh [00:36]:
"Because if your girl orders food for you or cooks food for you. Yeah. Which one means more?"

Andrew Schulz [02:03]:
"The effort is there. But even this time around, same thing happened. I do feel like there are some relationships where... they don't want us. They just hate being alone."

3. The Fear of Being Alone

A significant portion of the episode explores the idea that women's fear of loneliness drives them to stay in relationships they might not genuinely enjoy. This fear manifests as resentment towards their partners for simply keeping them from solitude.

Mark Gagnon [03:18]:
"Those are just the lonely ones celebrating Galentine's Day."

Andrew Schulz [06:53]:
"Women got the right to vote because there was one Tanya woman... I think that's why we're trying to figure out love."

4. Chivalry and Baseline Expectations

The hosts critique the modern interpretation of chivalry, arguing that what was once seen as thoughtful effort has become a baseline expectation. This shift has led to men feeling they must perform "extra" actions to keep their partners happy, often leading to frustration when efforts aren't reciprocated.

Andrew Schulz [72:16]:
"The expectation is that we all suck, right? You're gonna hate us anyway."

Dove [73:20]:
"Like, if a gross guy hits on you in the grocery store, it's like, get away from me."

5. Communication and Mind Reading

A recurring theme is the lack of clear communication regarding expectations in relationships. The hosts emphasize that men often feel blamed for not meeting unspoken standards, leading to unnecessary resentment.

Andrew Schulz [76:19]:
"You guys need to write it down. We need the expectations."

6. The Role of Modern Dating Apps

The discussion touches upon how dating apps have exacerbated superficial judgments, making it harder for genuine connections to form. The abundance of choices leads to overanalyzing potential partners, often resulting in dismissing them for minor flaws.

Kiana [57:50]:
"I see that. Tanya. Supporting P. I knew you were you're Jewess."

7. Navigating Modern Relationships

The hosts conclude by suggesting that both men and women need to set clear expectations and communicate more effectively to avoid unnecessary resentment. They advocate for understanding each other's baseline needs and not expecting excessive effort beyond natural partnership.

Andrew Schulz [78:03]:
"Listen, listen, listen. But your baseline isn't based on us like you said earlier. It's based on your mom."

Tanya [78:40]:
"Men are easy. It's like they want the most basic primal things in life... they want constant love and affection and attention."

Conclusion

In this episode, Flagrant offers a raw and humorous exploration of the complexities in modern relationships, highlighting the disconnect between perceived effort and actual expectations. The hosts advocate for better communication and realistic expectations to foster healthier and more fulfilling partnerships.

Notable Quotes:

• Andrew Schulz [00:00]:
  "It turns out women aren't that happy with us... just men in general."

• Dove [61:57]:
  "But that is a fair law."

• Andrew Schulz [78:03]:
  "You guys need to write it down. We need the expectations."

This episode serves as a thought-provoking commentary on contemporary dating norms, urging listeners to reflect on their own relationships and communication styles.

Transcript

[Andrew Schulz]

What's up, everybody? Welcome to Flagrant. I hope everybody had a wonderful Valentine's Day. I posted something on Instagram recently, and women had quite the reaction to it. I posted this on Instagram, not thinking it would get much. 12 million views later, it turns out women aren't that happy with us. And by us, I don't just mean Alex, Mark, Akash, and Andrew. I mean just men in general. It seems like there's some frustrations. Let's play the clip so that everybody has some context.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Everything about effort. Like, why is the effort? Doesn't matter when I go to work. What is this? I want you to write a card. What are you talking about? Write a card. Explain to me the effort. Right?

[Akash Singh]

Because if your girl orders food for you or cooks food for you. Yeah. Which one means more?

[Andrew Schulz]

I like it when she cooks, but if she was like, I'd rather just order. And I'm totally cool with that. I just like the fact that she put. She like.

[Mark Gagnon]

The fact that she puts what?

[Andrew Schulz]

The reaction from women about this clip was absolutely insane. You know, we could have had a woman on the podcast, but that would go against our principles. So I think it's just up to the boys to figure out what is going on. Are these. Are these women frustrated with us?

[Akash Singh]

It would appear so, dude. It would appear so.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Those are just the lonely ones celebrating Galentine's Day.

[Andrew Schulz]

What is Galentine's Day?

[Mark Gagnon]

The ones that they just hang out with their girls because they don't have a.

[Andrew Schulz]

See that? So you're saying that there was an emotional state that they're in, and they really wish a guy would go put out some.

[Akash Singh]

I think there's also a lot of women who got Shitty Valentine. Yeah, we're really driving this. I heard one comment was like, he's.

[Dove]

41 years old, mind you.

[Andrew Schulz]

And I wanted to be like, this.

[Akash Singh]

Is a long time ago.

[Andrew Schulz]

We were late 30s at that point. I still got a card I haven't written for my wife. Not only was it Valentine's, it was her 30th birthday. I killed it. I gave her a great fucking weekend. It was awesome. And that had put a lot of effort into it. That has nothing to do with the fact that I have an assistant now that I can outsource the effort to, but that's what I was doing. She didn't think it was weird that.

[Kiana]

Your handwriting was so nice.

[Andrew Schulz]

She kept, who are these flowers from?

[Akash Singh]

Testing me.

[Andrew Schulz]

I was like, me. I just say me no matter what is in the house. I did That. I got that.

[Kiana]

Who on the floor? Me.

[Andrew Schulz]

That was me. Definitely wasn't Kiana. We hope. Okay, that's actually my suggestion. First of all, get an assistant, cuz all the thoughtful ideas that come to your head, but you're like, but then I got to do it. You can outsource to them.

[Akash Singh]

Dude, I saw you walking out of the studio one day. Your system was like, hey, here's the birthday gift for your friend. And you're like, really? What is this? And she was like, they're the paddle shoes you mentioned. And I was like, oh, that's why you get.

[Andrew Schulz]

Stop snitching, man. J, I know. That came from me.

[Akash Singh]

Who knows?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but I. There's only one guy I played paddle with the podcast.

[Mark Gagnon]

Guys don't care about effort.

[Andrew Schulz]

That touched his soul, bro. When I showed him them shoes, he was like, shaking as he opened it because I thought he was going to be like, vibrators and dildos inside or something like that. But it was a real pair of paddle shoes. Anyway, I think it's a. It's worth to have this discussion. It seems as if, you know, women feel like we're not putting in the effort that we should be putting in.

[Kiana]

Yeah, yeah. I even saw a random TikTok recently after this conversation. We were talking about it and some girl was like, I can't even go on a date with a guy if he's not going to put in a reservation at a restaurant.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Kiana]

She said, that's a red flag. If you're not going to make a reservation, we're not going on a date.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. So. So this is interesting. You brought this up yesterday when we were discussing it. There are these things that have become very popular for women to talk about. Red flags. You said the ick.

[Kiana]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And all these things, I think, are really downstream from women wanting guys to put in effort right now. Here's where it gets interesting. And we do need to bring in the girls for this, so maybe grab them. But this is. This is. Okay. This is a kind of true thing. Women's greatest fear, I believe, is being alone. Men's greatest fear is being with a woman we don't want to be with.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay.

[Kiana]

Well, you could couch the women one. I think they're also a little afraid of, like, getting murdered and stuff.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, I'm talking about, like a relationship. Emotional kind of fear. That kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're speaking on relationships. Great exaggeration.

[Mark Gagnon]

And I still think alone trumps yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because when they're Alone.

[Akash Singh]

They dedicate hypothetical that women were like, would you rather be alone with a bear or a man? That everybody chose bear. I bet if you said bear or alone, they'd be like, I'd give me the bear again.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, guys, so now we have. There's a microphone right there with that, I need you all to return to.

[Kiana]

A Red Pill podcast.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Akash Singh]

We're kicking you out of the studio. 30 seconds.

[Andrew Schulz]

Imagine the second they started talking, Volvo just walked a single file out of the house.

[Kiana]

I mean, we got that on camera.

[Mark Gagnon]

We got that on camera.

[Andrew Schulz]

What is Tanya trying to somehow turn into a hose?

[Kiana]

And she was like, this is.

[Andrew Schulz]

We tried. We tried. Okay, so yesterday, at some point, I think that Mark was being very diplomatic, but there is no room for diplomacy in this conversation. At some point during our conversation yesterday, during our production call, you guys voiced this feeling that, like, a woman's greatest fear is being alone. You fear. You fear being alone more than being with a guy you don't like.

[Tanya]

Some women.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes. Okay. Tanya is a fucking guy. That's what I'm saying. All of our opinions are going to reflect exactly how we feel, which I think why, when we first met her, we were like, this shit's fucking awesome.

[Kiana]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

But I think it also depends on age.

[Andrew Schulz]

Point the mic towards you. We need Dove in here. Get Dove in here so we could sit next to them and manage the women.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, we need the four women in here.

[Tanya]

Depends on, first of all, age and where you live. I think that's like a big thing.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay.

[Tanya]

Like, if you're like, when I was like a 25 year old living in Montreal and everyone was coupled up.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

Then it feels like, oh, it sucks to be alone because you no longer have fun things to do with your friends. When everyone's coupled up and getting married.

[Andrew Schulz]

And buying houses and you're just lonely and dying.

[Tanya]

Yeah. And also everyone's like, pressure. It's like, societally, like, that is an age in Montreal where, like, you have to be settling down.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, okay.

[Tanya]

If you're 25 and you are, would.

[Andrew Schulz]

You rather be with a guy you don't like or not? I don't want to ask this question.

[Tanya]

Don't ask me that question.

[Akash Singh]

You know?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you don't. Tanya doesn't even want to be with guys that she likes. We were having this discussion yesterday and Tan was like, I'll be honest, these guys are so annoying. They just want to spend time with me.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And. And Alex was talking about, which I think is might be A common theme here that I didn't realize. Female Alex. This is not male outs. We have a female 1x Alex here. And. And she brought up this feeling about, like, girls would rather be with somebody than be by themselves.

[Dove]

Yeah. But I think it's also pretty.

[Akash Singh]

Point the mic up a little bit just toward your.

[Dove]

Oh, yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Sorry.

[Dove]

The lady mic that needs to.

[Andrew Schulz]

Dove's going to be shared.

[Dove]

Yeah. I think it's, like, subconscious that you don't realize that you hate him. You're just like, oh, yeah, Guys don't know how to plan dinner reservations.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. So.

[Dove]

So you resent him so much and you don't even know why.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, so this is. We're going to get to a good thing. This is good. And it's going to hurt a lot of our feelings because we're going to start realizing our significant other.

[Dove]

That's what I'm here for.

[Andrew Schulz]

But this is. This is an important thing. This is an important thing because I feel this all the time. Like, does my wife hate me? And it's like, yeah, no. But here's the thing. But it's not my fault. They don't want to be alone so bad that they will be with guys that they don't like.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

They don't even like us. They just hate being alone. And now they resent us because they don't want to be alone.

[Kiana]

It's their fault.

[Akash Singh]

It's their fault.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes. This is the Eureka moment yesterday.

[Dove]

No, I feel like because of you.

[Andrew Schulz]

We'Ve been telling you this this whole time. We're like, we're good people. We're trying to make you happy.

[Akash Singh]

I could figure out why Andrew was so, so excited about talking about it.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's like, I finally get it. I get it. Truly.

[Akash Singh]

Like, this guy's really excited. What's going on?

[Andrew Schulz]

I saw the light yesterday. I was like, you could finally blame them. No, no, exactly. Right. Because this whole time that I was thinking, my wife hates me and she's like, I love you more than anything. No, no, no. She hates being alone.

[Kiana]

Yes. Toxic femininity.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes. Now we're talking about it. Finally.

[Tanya]

We have women here just resenting stupid.

[Andrew Schulz]

Here we go.

[Tanya]

Stupid and lazy.

[Andrew Schulz]

But here's the question.

[Dove]

The messaging, like, society and the moms out there, especially Jewish moms. I think religion is a huge part of this.

[Akash Singh]

Are you Jewish also?

[Dove]

Yes.

[Akash Singh]

Yuck.

[Tanya]

By the way, we didn't know that.

[Eddie]

When we had her entire life.

[Andrew Schulz]

I just love watching somebody faces point out. This is so funny. We need to get dove in here. Real quick. So Tanya, Alex, and Kiana. Okay, yeah. Is my assistant. And she was here like two days, right? And we were staying super late. We're working on something, and she started bringing up this idea of like, she's like, yeah, but you're spending all this money on Ubers, and there's a certain situation where you could potentially get a car and you could, you know, have a driver for the car, and that driver would be available to you whenever you want, but actually less than all these Ubers. You should run that numbers. And we're talking and then. And dove just like stops. And he gazes at her, right? And Kiana is Chinese and Belizean, Right? And he gazes at her and he goes, are you Jewish? It was the greatest compliment he could bestow. Anyway.

[Tanya]

Anyway.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, so Jewish moms really want you to get married.

[Dove]

They really want you to get married.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because they want you to be miserable like them. Yeah, exactly. And they want to pass it down.

[Dove]

Like, women didn't just invent this of like, oh, I don't need to be alone. It's the messaging of like, oh, well, all men are terrible. No man knows how to make a dinner reservation or write you a note or send you a playlist that, you know, they had thought of. So it's just like, okay, well, then you might as well just pick one. You're gonna hate them anyway.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. So the expectation is that we all suck, right? You're gonna hate us anyway.

[Akash Singh]

That's solid for us.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. But when we live up to that expectation, you guys are still upset about it. I. Sometimes I just want to point that thing about the playlist, which is very true. We don't do that. But today I just want to point this out. We don't make playlists that you would like. But today Mark had a playlist ready on the computer. White songs that black people like just for Alex. We're very thoughtful for one another.

[Mark Gagnon]

Everything you made today was phenomenal.

[Andrew Schulz]

Come on.

[Kiana]

Come on, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Come on.

[Kiana]

Interracial effort is my big thing, okay? Not intergender. I don't believe in that.

[Dove]

That was a great display of romance, right?

[Akash Singh]

I had no fucking clue that a playlist was thoughtful.

[Kiana]

Y'all like playlists?

[Akash Singh]

And I think I do a lot of thoughtful things that didn't even sauce my mind.

[Tanya]

Here's the thing that seems like you're paying attention. Attention, yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

But here's the thing. We just pay. And. And that's. That's your guys fault.

[Tanya]

We want you to pay.

[Andrew Schulz]

Exactly. Well, that if. If.

[Kiana]

Pick one.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, here's the. If paying didn't matter, I really believe if paying didn't matter to you guys at all, then we would have to go the extra mile to elicit that same reaction. But unfortunately, paying for things works. Hold on.

[Tanya]

The paying is like a generosity thing. And I think biologically we haven't evolved over time. We still want to make sure.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, Tanya.

[Tanya]

We still want your paper shit. Because we want to know you're generous and when you expect us to have kids. Wait, think about it like this.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah, let's think about it. Eventually.

[Tanya]

Eventually your guys are going to want to have to have kids, right? Eventually you're going to want us to have kids.

[Andrew Schulz]

This is why women got the right to vote. Because there was one Tanya woman out there that was like spitting to all the politicians. They're like, I think that they could do it. Yeah.

[Tanya]

I mean, think about women like Akash's wife who are constantly on tik tok.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, this is another thing. If we make Akash's wife. We were talking about this. This is my goal now in life. I didn't know that Akash's wife was like a serious influencer. She's like a big deal, okay?

[Tanya]

I watch hours of her tik tok.

[Andrew Schulz]

So here's the thing. I didn't know this. Now that I know that she is like an influencer, hurt my feelings.

[Akash Singh]

I've literally sent a video. Remember she made it on Fox News, the flag group. And you didn't pay attention. You paid no attention. And I hurt my feelings. Hey, that really hurt me, bro. This is thoughtless.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what hurt me? I resented when you send me a video of your wife. That's what hurt me when you know that I have other shit to do and you're like, watch my wife talk about this shit. That was the insulting thing.

[Akash Singh]

I hate you, okay? I hate you.

[Andrew Schulz]

And you know what I'm gonna do with that hate? I'm gonna make sure. And listen, I say this to all the flagrant listeners out there, the flagrant viewers. Please, I beg of you. We need to make. What is her TikTok?

[Akash Singh]

Just lean with it. J A S L E E N.

[Andrew Schulz]

Just lean with it. We need to make. Just lean with it. Rock with it. We need to make her the biggest tick tock superstar on the planet. Okay?

[Akash Singh]

You guys saw this one? Her imitating me, right?

[Andrew Schulz]

My mom has the biggest titties. All right, Shut the up.

[Akash Singh]

Good dude. Make fun of other Indians. Are you Gujarati, you cheap little bitch? Are you Punjabi, you dumb fucking Bitch, are you Malu?

[Tanya]

You dark bitch.

[Dove]

It's me, it's me. I'm just like saying what he would say.

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't say that.

[Kiana]

Oh, look at me.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm Akash. I can't sleep.

[Akash Singh]

I'm so sorry.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's good, that's good, that's good, that's good. Yo, we gotta. Hey, just lean with it. We need to make that the biggest TikTok account in the world. I just want to see.

[Akash Singh]

I love that.

[Andrew Schulz]

If you thought you weren't sleeping now, wait till your wife is making more money. Guys, you should already know this, but if you do not. March 4th on Netflix. My new special Life is coming out. I'm very excited for you all to see it. It's the thing I'm most proud of ever creating in my entire life. Thank you to every single one of you that came out to see the shows on the tour. If you were able to see those shows, watch that anyway. And if you weren't, here's the opportunity for you to see what that hour is like again. Thank you guys all so much. Spread the word. We're running it up or watching it as a family. Go to Netflix right now. Hit that remind me button. That's helpful. Apparently, you know, tells the algorithm that people are interested and it sends it to more people. Be very helpful. But thank you guys so much for all the support and making this a possibility. So life is coming out on Netflix. March 4th. We are watching as a family. Let's get back to the show.

[Akash Singh]

We also got to do dates. We added a six show in br. Tickets are almost gone. They might be gone by the time you get this. We'll try to add a seventh, but there is no real real estate. So get tickets to this one. Also Zany's in Nashville. February 27th through March 1st. March 14th and 15th. I completely forgot. I got shows in Tulsa, Oklahoma. So buy tickets to that. 21st and 22nd, Omaha, a bunch of other dates. Aquash, sing.com. we're going to add more April soon. Oh, also hurry up and buy April 11th through 13th, I believe maybe 10th through 12th, but I'm pretty sure 11th through 13th in Tampa. All the dates got canceled when I was. I had the flu. Those tickets are almost gone. So get your tickets for that akash singh.com now let's get back to the show.

[Kiana]

What's up, guys? We're gonna take a break. Really quick. World's fastest ad read. All right. February 25th, New York City. I'm a Mary Lou doing My own show with a bunch of my friends. And then the 27th, I'm in Baltimore, Belmore, New York.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's already taken a while.

[Kiana]

No, I'm going. I'm trying to go fast. March 1, and then Rochester, New York, March 22.

[Akash Singh]

Where do they find these dates, Mark?

[Kiana]

Portland, Maine, April 27. Themarketyag.com Please don't submit it. Multiple people have done try to do that after the shows. I'm married, and I don't want this sexual interaction, so please don't do that. But please come to the shows. Come see me, smell me in real life. I promise it's pretty good. All right, I'll see you guys there. Themarkagno.com Bye.

[Akash Singh]

Find out what his dick smells like.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, so you need more effort from us ladies. And so what we're seeing right now is the complaints of a lack of effort, and that kind of, like, masqueraded as these other things, like red flags and icks, et cetera. And that's what I think Mark was talking about, where you don't really have red flags and icks. You just date guys you don't like because you don't want to be alone. And then you start describing the things you don't like about them. Yeah, but if you just don't date us.

[Eddie]

Agreed.

[Andrew Schulz]

Don't date us.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, I say so.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's what they're doing.

[Akash Singh]

We haven't heard from Kiana. Well, minority.

[Eddie]

It depends on how much is going on, like, in your life. Like, sometimes you just don't want to spend any time with anyone, and sometimes you're really bored, so you're like, oh, he wasn't that bad.

[Andrew Schulz]

See, that's standards, though. But what's crazy.

[Eddie]

But then it's like you get fed up really quickly. So then you're like, it's not worth the time.

[Andrew Schulz]

Alex, what do you think about this? What are your feelings about this? You're so quiet over there. What? What's going on in your head? I wouldn't know.

[Mark Gagnon]

I make a lot of effort with my wife. So it's like. It's one of those things where you.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can'T make the effort to make her your wife. What are you talking about, my wife? I don't.

[Kiana]

You don't get to use that word.

[Andrew Schulz]

Sign the paperwork. If you don't got paperwork, you don't get to call her wife.

[Mark Gagnon]

Okay, Fiance.

[Kiana]

Fine.

[Andrew Schulz]

Fiance. Yeah. Barely.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

What do you mean, barely? I don't know. I don't even like that word. Like, what does that mean?

[Mark Gagnon]

And once you put it online, that's.

[Akash Singh]

That's.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's efficient. That's efficient. Don't even show her feet, bro. Yo, I'm saying, with all due respect, I even put the dog.

[Akash Singh]

His mom's feet. All due respect.

[Andrew Schulz]

Imagine. Imagine treating your mom worse than your fiance, bro. Or better. Or better.

[Dove]

Or better.

[Akash Singh]

Welcome to being married.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, that's true. They get along now, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

That's how you know they've always gotten along.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once you get married, that shit gonna switch over to me. They still playing. They playing. Playing nice with each other. Really? Oh, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's not fun to look forward to at all.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. No, no, no. The second. No.

[Mark Gagnon]

But I had to create a game to show effort.

[Andrew Schulz]

So.

[Mark Gagnon]

Me and Beyonce do Christmas every month.

[Akash Singh]

Okay.

[Mark Gagnon]

On the 25th of every month, we give each other a gift. So we have to listen to one another throughout the month and see if you pick up on something that that.

[Akash Singh]

Person needs a lot.

[Kiana]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mark Gagnon]

You gotta gamify.

[Andrew Schulz]

Listen, Listen. Is brilliantly framed. You framed.

[Mark Gagnon]

Now you're gonna make on it.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm not doing this. But what. But this is genius. This is why you're really smart. Because you framed as this exciting thing for her and now she gets the effort that you want. But what you really did is create a device where anytime she wants to buy anything, you go. But it's. It's not the 25th of the month yet, so why would you get that?

[Akash Singh]

No, because he can still buy it, but he gotta listen. It's still his responsibility to get a gift that she didn't buy herself.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yes.

[Akash Singh]

So he gotta actually listen. Buddy, you dug yourself into a hole. It's fine. It's already too many days to give a Valentine's. Birthdays, Christmas, India. I got Diwali. I got a. Oh, my God, a funeral.

[Mark Gagnon]

But some of us like hearing from our partners.

[Akash Singh]

Is that your love language? Quality time? Because that shit. I did the test. That's my least important with any human being. Y'all get the. On my face. Tell me you love me. Let's hug.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, that's a lie, bro. We used to spend so much time together. We live together. We go out to eat until three in the morning every single night. You love quality time.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, I was lonely. I'd rather be.

[Kiana]

You didn't actually like hanging out out dudes.

[Akash Singh]

He don't watch the Tik Toks of my wife. This guy's thoughtless.

[Kiana]

Just didn't want to be alone.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's all. I didn't know they were that funny, man. I'll be honest. I will, I will subscribe. I just got Tik Tok back on my phone. Hell yeah. Cuz I had a new phone. You didn't get Tik Tok until like two days ago. So now I'm locked in.

[Akash Singh]

Can I ask you a question about the rather be with somebody even if they suck? Do you think it's rooted in biology and the biological clock?

[Tanya]

Yes and no. Hold on. I think yes, cuz it depends on.

[Andrew Schulz]

But let's let Tanya answer cuz her clock is.

[Tanya]

Two of my best male friends have been coercing me to go get my eggs frozen. My male friends.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but this is a hustle too. We were talking about this.

[Tanya]

Yeah, but also I think it is rude in that. But I also think it's like if you're in your 30s or mid-30s especially, and you've been with the guy for.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like a year and you're like, fuck.

[Tanya]

I only have a couple more years left. Left.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

So then it's true. It is rooted in that. And then there's also intertwined like all the other attachment stuff.

[Andrew Schulz]

What's our maternity leave policy?

[Tanya]

Yeah, I don't think you got one.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what's funny is freezing your eggs is probably cheaper than maternity leave.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And I wonder if that's why the businesses.

[Tanya]

Oh, they do do it that way.

[Andrew Schulz]

So in an. Oh God, that's the 100.

[Tanya]

Why the tech companies all do that.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's the worst type of sexism when it's framed as progressive. Progressive.

[Tanya]

It's the same as pto, by the way. Why do you think companies.

[Andrew Schulz]

Same as what?

[Tanya]

Pto.

[Andrew Schulz]

I don't know what that is. Don't even. I don't want to know if there's something we should be giving time off that I don't even understand that intellectually. It's got time off in the acronym.

[Akash Singh]

Or whatever that is.

[Tanya]

Basically, tech companies give unlimited pto.

[Andrew Schulz]

So how do you have a business?

[Tanya]

Because the whole point is when you give someone.

[Akash Singh]

Speaking of the mic for sake.

[Tanya]

When you give someone two weeks and then they don't take it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

You have to pay them out for it when it's unlimited. And they, they. Most people in tech companies, they won't even take their pto.

[Andrew Schulz]

Love that.

[Akash Singh]

They feel shame.

[Tanya]

Yeah, it's like. Oh like especially in America, it's like you're always working. You're always working. Even if you're traveling, you're answering emails but then the companies don't have to pay them out. So it's like a. They do it for like a tax purpose.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, you're saying if they don't take the two weeks off, they have to pay them for the time they work. So they do unlimited paid time off.

[Kiana]

Three days.

[Tanya]

So it's the same thing with the freezing. Your eyes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

We will chip in a freezer eggs, though, right?

[Tanya]

Oh, thanks.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Actually, would you 100. Yeah.

[Dove]

A jar in the office?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no, I would freeze. I could work out a freezing situation. No, no, absolutely. I will. I will definitely pay. Anybody here that wants to freeze this?

[Tanya]

Everybody.

[Eddie]

I hope.

[Tanya]

Zach, you're listening?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, 100%. I will. Well, no, Zach is gainfully employed.

[Tanya]

Yeah, you just offered.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Okay.

[Dove]

Is there a plan?

[Kiana]

Can we put them in the studio, though? Is that allowed?

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, can we store them? Yeah, be the one that store them frozen eggs.

[Kiana]

Like an aggro crag. Just like, in the corner.

[Akash Singh]

Before we forget, you had a great point on the call yesterday. This is why Taylor Swift women fucking love.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh.

[Akash Singh]

Because she seemingly doesn't put up with the shitty guy. She'll break up with you. She'll write a song, make all the money, but speak to you guys and your frustrations.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because she's more comfortable being lonely, I guess. Or the perception that she is. She is.

[Dove]

Because she's financially independent. There is an incentive to date the guy who can. Yeah, maybe he's not the most thoughtful, but he can pay for a meal. Maybe I can get out of this girl boss rat race. Like, that'd be great. And Taylor can leave the guy.

[Andrew Schulz]

What's the girl boss rat race? Well, just because I feel like girls are leaving this shit. Like, girl boss thing was hot five years ago, and I feel like that thing is dying.

[Dove]

Well, yeah, it was kind of a.

[Eddie]

Lie that was sold to us shift in social media. It's like the whole tradwise. Yeah, tradwise, like, super, like, into, like, raising your children, cooking for them homestead chickens, Everything from scratch. Everything's shifting.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Why do you guys think that is?

[Eddie]

Trump.

[Andrew Schulz]

The boy. Wait, wait, wait.

[Akash Singh]

Y'all are blaming your own shift in mindset on Trump?

[Dove]

I'm not. I'm not. I think it was a. It was a lie because it was.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, oh, into the mic. You're. You know, we have more of these, but it's really fun that they are all.

[Dove]

It's like we were told that you could like, girl boss and not have to, like, you know, be the mad men wife.

[Andrew Schulz]

At home.

[Dove]

But all a sudden, now we have to do both. No one's planning your dinner reservations or taking care of you.

[Andrew Schulz]

So this is interesting.

[Kiana]

Also, girls don't date down.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, I want to get to. I want to get to that in a second. But. But the. The. This is interesting about the girl boss idea. So maybe there's a little part of them, they're going, okay, if I go to work, I make that money.

[Dove]

Yeah, then you don't have to be with the loser.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, well, no, you don't have to be with the loser for sure. But then you assume that the guy would also pick up some of the slack. Oh, yeah, right. And then you found out that we won't.

[Dove]

Right.

[Andrew Schulz]

And now you're like, why am I working?

[Dove]

Yeah, like, I'll do all the thoughtful shit. I don't. I don't need, you know.

[Andrew Schulz]

But you're not gonna work as well.

[Dove]

Yeah, I don't want to work as well. Give me home or give me office. I don't want to do both. And I think now people are having to do both.

[Andrew Schulz]

Did we decide this like a million years ago or something like that?

[Dove]

Full circle.

[Tanya]

Yeah, to that point, biologically, we haven't changed.

[Akash Singh]

But to that point, would you rather work? You got a guy, maybe makes a. Maybe less. Maybe a lot less money than you, but does all the thoughtful or you do the thoughtful and they work. Which.

[Eddie]

Would you rather they do the thoughtful and they were. I mean.

[Dove]

It depends how good their job is. Honestly, like, I think if they're, like, really high up, then, like, great, I'll do the thoughtful.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Dove]

But, yeah, I think most people probably want to, like, be in love and have someone do the thoughtful stuff.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, Women. So if the guy has, like a really important job where it's very timec consuming, you'll do all that kind of stuff?

[Dove]

Yeah, I'll do all the home stuff. If you're just gonna let you know right now, things paid for.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're saying that I would. Until you guys get comfortable and then that goes out.

[Tanya]

The fuck I'll tell you right now, I don't want that.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, we know.

[Mark Gagnon]

Why don't we even call Tanya?

[Andrew Schulz]

You should be synonym. No, I. I think that everybody. You start to get comfortable and.

[Tanya]

Yeah, but the money comes with control also, which is the part that I don't like.

[Dove]

Yeah, that is bad.

[Tanya]

If they have.

[Andrew Schulz]

How do we have control?

[Tanya]

Oh, if you're paying for everything, Paying for the house.

[Andrew Schulz]

We're married.

[Tanya]

There's no prenup until you start Cheating. And then there's a divorce. And then the woman stuck with nothing. And nothing. They have to rely. Well, that's how you sign a pregnant prenup.

[Andrew Schulz]

I didn't have a prenup.

[Tanya]

Not you specifically. I'm talking about the world.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're saying what I should have done.

[Tanya]

And then. Because, I mean, this was my biggest resentment in Montreal. Girls, my generation, it's like our mothers all went through the same thing. They didn't work. The second they started a family, they didn't work. The husband's made all the money. The husbands are going off on business trips. They're around, they're cheating. Women want us to divorce. And then the women are stuck with nothing. And they still, even after divorced, have to rely on the husband to provide whatever they choose as, like, alimony.

[Eddie]

Right.

[Akash Singh]

And to be fair, I've heard this saying that makes a lot of sense. The courts are not in the collections business. So even if they award you half, the husband could just not pay. There's not really much you can do, which I think is fair to bring up. There's no. Like, the court's not going to come after you. They. Not really.

[Andrew Schulz]

Is that true?

[Mark Gagnon]

No, they do a little bit.

[Eddie]

If you have a child, like, that's why you want to have a kid.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay.

[Tanya]

But there's a difference.

[Andrew Schulz]

You got as a kid, apparently. She's Jewish. I knew it. Hold on. So if you trap him. If you baby trap him. Gotta go. Gotta go. Y'all both doing a good job. Let women talk. Stop silencing them.

[Eddie]

Is I'm the only one of color on this side?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes. Okay, go. Well, Tanya is something. Well, like, Tanya's from Africa. Yeah, yeah, she's part African.

[Eddie]

Like, kids who have divorced parents, like my best friend, her mom got alimony and got child support. The courts will go after the dad if they don't pay. If you have a child. And they'll take away your passport so you can't travel.

[Andrew Schulz]

What do you guys think of alimony as a concept?

[Eddie]

Fantastic.

[Andrew Schulz]

That is a criminal intelligence. I don't love it.

[Akash Singh]

I don't mind you getting half. I do.

[Tanya]

Wait, listen to this. Are you against half?

[Andrew Schulz]

Sure. But alimony?

[Kiana]

It depends who falls for divorce.

[Tanya]

That. Would alimony essentially matter too fast?

[Akash Singh]

Half is what we got now.

[Andrew Schulz]

One at a time. One at a time.

[Akash Singh]

You take half of what we got now in a divorce. Especially if we got kids. Yeah, absolutely. Child support, even if we got kids. Okay. Alimony.

[Andrew Schulz]

You need to do that.

[Akash Singh]

That's your fault.

[Eddie]

What happened?

[Andrew Schulz]

No, but hold on.

[Tanya]

Andrew, wait. This is a good question for Andrew.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

Okay. So you're successful.

[Akash Singh]

It's a dangerous question for Andrew that I think you mentioned.

[Tanya]

You met Emma, you made X amounts.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Right.

[Tanya]

And now you're significantly more successful than that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

And you are, have, you have a baby and you prefer that she stays at home with the baby because that's.

[Akash Singh]

How you want your assumption.

[Tanya]

No, that's what I'm saying. Assuming that that's what happened.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's not true.

[Tanya]

It's not true because a lot of fathers actually prefer that the mother raises the kid.

[Andrew Schulz]

So it was very, I was very specific about this. Like with, like Emma, you know, she got her mba, she was, you know, doing AI projects for Apple. Like, she, she was killing it, and this was her choice. So I said, you have to want to do this.

[Akash Singh]

Okay, fine.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, this is, it's not going to be my decision because if, if you don't like it, I don't want you to ever resent me for it. So this has to be your decision. If anytime you want to go back to work, obviously, like, I grew up in a family where both parents work. Now, was I, was I supportive of it a thousand percent. Like, the person I trust more than anything in the world is going to be the one looking after my daughter. Like, yeah, that's the ideal scenario of the world. But I'm not going to like, restrict her 100%. Right.

[Tanya]

But hypothetically, there are guys, if there.

[Andrew Schulz]

Are guys that go, you can't work. I need you to be at the be.

[Tanya]

Sometimes it's. They prefer it for the, for family purposes. Sometimes if you like, actually do the math, it almost becomes more expensive to hire nannies and everything than the mother's salary.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

At that moment in time. So she quits her job, she stays at home. And then let's say when she does, if she decides to go back to work eventually, after you've had three kids, whatever, she's now 10 years behind in her career versus where she would have been. So then that's where the growth of when you got married versus where you are now comes into play. Which is not fair to just get, let's say half of like when you started.

[Andrew Schulz]

So this is the way I look at these things. I think that's a. I think it's like a great, like more nuanced point. I think that there's a certain number where we don't need to worry about alimony. So let's say, for example, like, you got, you have $20 million between the two of you. You guys get divorced 10 and 10. You'll figure it the fuck out.

[Tanya]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You don't need alimony as well. But that's not how the law looks at it. The law looks at you split 50, 50, and you have to maintain her lifestyle. Whatever her lifestyle was with you, you that. It's not her fault. It's not her fault. It's the law's fault. Right. And these laws are kind of antiquated because they're built around a time where women weren't, you know, girl bosses. They weren't making all this money, and they wanted to protect women because they literally couldn't get a job to support their family.

[Kiana]

Also, most people don't have 20 mil when they get divorced.

[Andrew Schulz]

Exactly. So I'm just saying there needs to be, like, a little bit more nuance with it.

[Tanya]

But usually the way the judge looks at it, I'm pretty sure, is to maintain the same. To maintain. Maintain the same lifestyle as when you were married. So it's like if you were buying your wife a Chanel every year, you should stay married. You shouldn't have got a Chanel every year in the first place.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no. Like, you should if. But this lifestyle with us being married, like, for example, I got to maintain your lifestyle with us being married, but you don't got to come and cook me dinner every night. That's my own.

[Akash Singh]

That's the Chris Rock joke payments.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I don't want. I want dinner.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Do you know what I mean? Like, I want. I want the clothes. Clothes washed and folded. Like, if I have to pay you to maintain your lifestyle, you should still do things that. Maintain my lifestyle.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, I knew that. You made a choice or. We made a choice when we got divorced. This lifestyle is fundamentally different because of just one of you. And I think if women understood where some of this, like, red pill movement is rooted in this, like, this idea is crazy. Let's say Andrew's 20 million and most guys who are complaining about this won't make that kind of money. But 20 million, whatever job losses you have, valid they may be, is more than offset by the 10 million you just got. If you can't make that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, I think. I think that's essentially the point. But I agree with you that in circumstances where people are both, you know, like one person is a teacher, for example, and the other person is staying home with the kids, like, obviously, you can't let that person go back to this career that they haven't done 10 years, they have no way of making money. And now the kids are going to also suffer. So I get that point as well. There just needs to be a little bit more nuanced. And I think they just put like, what is it? The. The Bill of Rights.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Down.

[Akash Singh]

And precedent was set. And now we can't break from precedent.

[Dove]

All of this nuance. Wouldn't it be easier, like, isn't there some motivation for Andrew in that clip or everyone in the comments, like, men trying to, like, process this effort thing? Like, wouldn't it be easier to just learn how to send a playlist or make a reservation? You can avoid all of this.

[Andrew Schulz]

Here's the thing.

[Dove]

So easy. They're begging.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm gonna be honest with you. And I spoke about this. I think on the pod right there was like, it was like, my wife's birthday. No, no, no. It was Christmas or something like that. One thing I got her for Christmas were these, like, Crocs that had these, like, little jibbits in them that, like, pertain to her life and like our daughter and everything like that. And she cared about that way more, more than anything expensive that I got her. And it, despite that clip coming out six years ago, it hit me, I was like, oh, maybe I should, like, look into what she's, you know, likes or whatever and, like, get things around that and, you know, now, now, now that makes sense. But I think, Akash, you point this out, it's easier, it's less work. It's like we're being lazy when we buy the expensive gift. Yeah, but you're basically paying for their lack of thoughtfulness. Yeah, and. But even this time around, same thing happened. I agree with you. The effort is there. My concern is, and I, I think, like, when a girl really does love somebody, you know, hopefully my wife really loves me, it makes that much more of a difference. But I do feel like there are some relationships which girls are in, where they're like, they don't really like the guy. They just don't want to be alone. And they. These thoughtful things that the guys are doing are just like, how do I say? They just like, extend, send the unhappiness a little bit longer. Just like, break up with that guy. It's not. You don't have an ick. You don't have a red flag. You don't like him.

[Dove]

I totally agree. I think that's where you get to the point where she, she's been resenting this lack of effort thing. She's been begging for the effort. It's not clicking. And then even if he does do it, it's like, okay. Then she gets to a point where every word that comes out of her mouth is nagging. It's going to be just, like, miserable for both of you. And it's like, oh, yeah, just. Just break.

[Tanya]

Everyone get out of that.

[Dove]

But that feeling of fear of being alone is like, why you don't need to.

[Andrew Schulz]

One second. This is the thing that's interesting. We're so used to the nagging. We think that's what you guys are, and that's the problem. But, but, but, but think about that then. I'm not saying we're talking about our lives. Definitely not. No past relationships. But like, you look at every TV show. No, no. You look at every TV show, right? It's like Al Bundy and his nagging wife. It's like nagging wife in every single one. Right. But what. What you're saying is that this is like a downriver problem from picking this guy because you don't want to be alone. I'm just putting the blame on you, which is unfair. But you understand what I'm trying to say. If, in my experience, when a girl really likes a guy, nothing bothers her about that guy at all.

[Dove]

We're in 100. Agreement. It's not that, like, women nag or that, like, oh, I'm being a. It's just like, oh, you two shouldn't be together.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

They're tolerating low standards across the board.

[Dove]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

That, like, oh, she nags.

[Andrew Schulz]

Duh.

[Kiana]

And she's like, oh, yeah. Well, he doesn't put in any effort. Du.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

And they're both just accepting mediocrity.

[Dove]

Take a year to be alone. Someone better might pop up, someone might not. It's fine. You're fine.

[Akash Singh]

That doesn't happen, though. My wife's still gonna nag. I'll still be thoughtless sometimes. You know, I mean, the. Expect There's.

[Dove]

But you love each other and that's fine.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah. But, you know, it is annoying when you're. When you put some thought in and they still nag.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

That makes you.

[Akash Singh]

There needs to be a one week. Shut the up.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

You start one week. Shut the up.

[Dove]

Does that apply to.

[Akash Singh]

And here's the problem. And this is what. Here's what I'm gonna get in trouble for saying. There is a. There is a rate of inflation on thoughtfulness.

[Andrew Schulz]

Get a TikTok ready. Get a TikTok ready.

[Akash Singh]

There is a rate of inflation on thoughtfulness the amount of effort that is thoughtful. You get used to it as anybody would get used to anything. But that amount of effort increases. So sometimes it's like, all right, well, let me just pay the money because that will. Now thoughtful went from here to here.

[Dove]

I disagree.

[Akash Singh]

I don't think nobody been thoughtful for you. No.

[Andrew Schulz]

You just started working here. Damn. Akash, go. Can you tell us your fear? With respect, we have an HR department. Where's Dove? Where is Dove?

[Dove]

I think, like, yeah, you can. You can scale it up. You can do something more thoughtful. You can plan something more thoughtful, but it doesn't always go up. Like, sneak in a sticky note on her desk that says, have a great day. Like, just little things that actually. It ebbs and flows. Don't just keep that idea.

[Andrew Schulz]

You need to learn my handwriting. That's. We need to die. Yes. He's back.

[Kiana]

No, a fire one.

[Andrew Schulz]

Go sit down.

[Kiana]

Put sticky notes all over the apartment. And then she'll find two one day, and then she'll find three more the next day. And she thinks you're putting them down there all week, but really you just did it one time.

[Andrew Schulz]

And then a week later she's like, why do you leave so much garbage all over the fire? Can you clean up a little bit? Okay. Dove. Dove. I don't know if you've been listening to this conversation. Have you been listening from the outside? A little bit. We have a special coming out too, so it's a lot of that.

[Kiana]

A lot of effort from Dove.

[Andrew Schulz]

Thanks.

[Akash Singh]

Appreciate that.

[Mark Gagnon]

I kind of needed all three of.

[Andrew Schulz]

Dove, and I do have like a. Oh, God.

[Akash Singh]

Yes, you do.

[Andrew Schulz]

Bring this up. You really want me to notice the effort. You do want me to notice the effort. And I just want to see the results. I want the results.

[Tanya]

When mom and dad fight about the effort, they. Oh, God.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, okay. But I don't know why. Why did we want Dub in here?

[Akash Singh]

Oh, no.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Insulting people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Akash Singh]

When I said yuck and you didn't budge, I knew we were good. I knew we had that. We're good. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So we're trying to get to the bottom of this stuff. We're trying to figure out love. We're trying make sure that we enter these great, healthy relationships where both sides respect one another. Are you a thoughtful person when it comes to the women that you date? Of course you're smiling. You can't do that always. You know how thoughtful Dove is when it comes to dates.

[Akash Singh]

Oh, no, Dove.

[Andrew Schulz]

Dove would go on dates with girls because he is truly Trying to find love. He. I give him this a thousand percent. He's truly trying to find love. And I. I dove is fighting two things. He's fighting, fighting thoughtfulness, and he's also fighting ethnicity. And I remember like a week or two into living in New York, he would say, he would go. He'd go, do you know how much taking a girl out on a date is? He goes, I'm spending 300, 350 a pop on dinner. These girls are drinking like fish. Like, what is wrong with this city? Do you remember this experience, though? That number was.

[Tanya]

Is high what I told you do last week ratio.

[Dove]

That's.

[Akash Singh]

Some of mine.

[Andrew Schulz]

Has a lot. Hold on.

[Eddie]

Some of my guy friends, like, work in finance. And there was a joke because, you know, there's a roster and there's a lot of girls, and it's a cost per nut ratio. So if you were taking girls out on dates, like one through three, you know, sometimes you're getting up there, like, it's almost like $700. So if the cost per nut ends up higher than $800, they would ghost them, really.

[Andrew Schulz]

But that's because they don't really like them. They just want to have sex with them. Okay? So here's another tricky, tricky thing. And then I remember I was on Rogan once in this clip that Joe and I were talking about ended up going, like, pretty viral. And it was this. This idea that a million guys have talked about. There's nothing novel about it. But this post nut clarity. Do you guys remember that? Okay. And it's this unfortunate situation that you guys are in where it's like the guy doesn't really know if he likes you until after you guys have slept. Slept together. And it's. Yeah, Tanya is a God.

[Mark Gagnon]

I know, I know.

[Andrew Schulz]

She really is a guy. That's my. Right there. Dead ass. Don't you say it, Tanya. She can be walking around. Okay? So are women aware of that or not?

[Dove]

Yes, women are aware of that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay?

[Dove]

And I think that's what is the.

[Andrew Schulz]

Conversation amongst yourselves about. About that.

[Dove]

It's unfortunate that women actually, like, once they sleep with you, like, will then become more attached. And the timelines are completely opposite. So, like, once you have sex, the man is like, okay, yeah, like, okay, maybe that was fine. Maybe I don't like her that much. Meanwhile, once she has sex with you, she has all these hormones where she's saying, oh, my God, I love him. Oh, my God, I need to be near him. Even though they're illogical, you're like, fighting this, like, avalanche inside your body. Being like, I need to spend time with pre.

[Akash Singh]

Sex is different, where the man is more invested and you're kind of like.

[Dove]

The time lines are completely opposite.

[Kiana]

Men use love to get sex. Women use sex to get love.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, the other way. The other way.

[Dove]

Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

No, I think women use sex to get it right. You got it right. You got.

[Andrew Schulz]

So menus. Love to get sex. And this is the. What is that? The Playboy method or something like that, where you're really nice to them in the beginning. The love bombing or something like that.

[Dove]

I. I honestly don't think that you can look at that and say, like, oh, it's purposeful love bombing or, like, purpose.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, I think it's quite genuine.

[Dove]

I think it's genuine. I think they genuinely believe, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna get to know her, I'm gonna have sex with her. But then somehow, like, chemically wants. It happens. It's like, all right, and now we.

[Andrew Schulz]

Look like a boy, when in reality, we never really like that person as much as we truly thought we did.

[Dove]

Exactly. And then the women look like a psycho, but they're just kind of like, what's happening in my brain?

[Andrew Schulz]

And our ego gets hit like crazy because we're like, yeah, she didn't really like me that much until I gave her that.

[Akash Singh]

I think she's good at sex. I didn't understand. This is a guy who was a virgin.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes. When we're not, it's just this. Oh, how advantageous for us. A chemical gets released in your head after sex where you love us that much more no matter how bad the sex is.

[Dove]

Oxytocin.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Dove]

Billie Eilish has a song about it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Really?

[Dove]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

Even if it's bad sex.

[Eddie]

I don't think that's true.

[Dove]

I don't think.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. Is. Is there. Is there?

[Tanya]

Brother listens to this podcast.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right. Sorry, Gallus brother. We love you. So it is possible that. That sex can be so bad that you're like, I don't really want to. The oxytocin doesn't get released.

[Dove]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also think it's like, not all women, not all men. Like, it's just. That is a thing that can happen.

[Andrew Schulz]

Generalization.

[Dove]

Yeah. In generalizations. But, yeah, sometimes that can happen. And that's where the Taylor Swift, Lana Del Rey, like, getting fixated on, like, oh, like, I love him. This, like, I don't know, depressive.

[Tanya]

Let's tie in the effort to the sex. What if the. When you have sex there's no effort. And it's all about him.

[Akash Singh]

Define effort.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because I feel like for us, just not coming fast is the most effort we can make.

[Tanya]

Like, you can tell if there's like.

[Andrew Schulz]

How much more effort can we put into my dead grandma for three minutes, right?

[Kiana]

Come on.

[Andrew Schulz]

Three minutes. No effort in. Come on, she just died. We just got got over this.

[Kiana]

Come on, bro.

[Tanya]

Like, is he like, is he like, what's the foreplay? Like, is he going down on you?

[Andrew Schulz]

Is he thinking about these things?

[Tanya]

Like, if you're on a date with.

[Andrew Schulz]

A guy, you expect a guy to go down you the first night.

[Tanya]

Like, with anything, there's still foreplay. They're still all the way down, but there's.

[Andrew Schulz]

We go out partying, we're dancing, you're wearing, like, tights.

[Tanya]

Use your fingers.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. What for what? I use my fingers? You didn't see at dinner at the end when I went in, fingered your wallet. No, no, no. Okay. Yeah. So. So an attention to satisfying you, not just being satisfied.

[Tanya]

Once you guys come, game over.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo, facts though.

[Tanya]

Yeah, Facts. We have to come first. And that's effort.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Tanya]

And then I'll get that thing that you just talked about.

[Andrew Schulz]

What is this?

[Tanya]

The thing in the brain.

[Andrew Schulz]

That oxy, that weird thing that be happening to these. She's in denial, bro.

[Akash Singh]

I'll say that.

[Dove]

If the sex is bad, you're immediately, you're written off. Goodbye. I was assuming that was the case.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let me throw out an outlier. Okay, this is, this is a tricky one. But I, I have seen. Okay, I had a friend who hooked up with this girl. He was like, dude, I, I, I couldn't get it up. That girl became obsessed. Obsessed with him.

[Akash Singh]

Really.

[Andrew Schulz]

Daddy issues.

[Kiana]

My dad could never get it up, so. Reminds me a lot of him, to be honest.

[Andrew Schulz]

Now, now, is there a part of that where it's like, like they dated? Like, they dated for years. What? And now I, this is what I chalked it up to. I chalked it up to her going. That made me feel really rejected. And I'm wondering from the female perspective, is there a part of it where it's like, I've never had a guy not get it up with me. I feel rejected. I feel ugly. I'm going to win him over. I'm going to prove to him that I, that I can get him hard or whatever so that I like myself.

[Dove]

Maybe, like a very young person might think that, but that seems pretty, like, immature. Like there, there really is no correlation between, like, how you look or your Behavior to that right side.

[Akash Singh]

Would you still write that guy off? If you're saying there's no correlation between. Whatever. Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

100.

[Akash Singh]

Closing the mic. Like. Like a senator, dude, hold on.

[Tanya]

It depends. Is this like a kind of guy? Like, it's like you've been. Everything was perfect.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, you guys are getting along. It's great.

[Tanya]

You guys are getting along. And then one night you went out drinking till 5 o'clock in the morning, maybe did some other stuff. Forgivable.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. And what happens in those moments? Do like, does it like. Yeah, miles. But like, do you just like, bang it against it like I just. Sponsored by Mukbarn for a whole year of your life? No, but like, when you actually try to have the sex, is it like a. Have you ever seen like a baby elephant doesn't know that it can use it to get the water out of the watering hole and they just kind of like slap it against the pond? Is that kind of what. What happened? How do I laugh this off? Tell me. Do you go to the bathroom and then try to get it up? Or like, am I winning yet?

[Akash Singh]

Or like, what's up, noodle dicks? You know what probably just happened? You disappointed your girl. If there's anything thing we learned is that you've disappointed your girl your entire relationship. And you're probably not that good at sex. You just trap them emotionally and that's why they're sticking around. You know what can fix that? Blue Chew. It's got the same active ingredients as them other medications, but it's the ones rock with us from the beginning. So we rock with them. And you can get your first order for free. That's right. You can make life easier by getting harder and discovering your [e-mail] and because you are a listener of this podcast, you can try your first one to Bluetooth referral free. All you gotta do is visit bluechew.com for more details and important safety information. It's important that you stay safe while you're improving your dick game. You gotta do both. But if you her so hard that you die, you're a living legend. Well, you're not a living legend, but you will die a legend. So, you know, either way, you're probably okay. But get your dick game up. Step your emotional dick game up. These ladies deserve it. Let's get back to the show.

[Andrew Schulz]

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[Akash Singh]

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[Andrew Schulz]

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[Tanya]

The amount of times people do that. That is like the oldest trick in the book. That is the oldest trick in the book.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let me try.

[Dove]

I'll go down there for 45 minutes.

[Tanya]

This is when being dumb.

[Andrew Schulz]

Can you for that one?

[Akash Singh]

Yo, Dying.

[Mark Gagnon]

This is awesome.

[Akash Singh]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Schulz]

See? This is awesome. Okay, so guys try that shit. They go like, oh, I could never. Who?

[Akash Singh]

And you listening to women could be fun.

[Andrew Schulz]

We can fuck it up for 10 years. Okay, so. Okay, so that's not a trick that guys should use that, like, girls know about that trick already. Is that.

[Akash Singh]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay. If a girl ever said to us that they're like. Or assume you're gay or you assume you're gay. Yeah. Okay. But if a girl ever said to us like, no guy's been able to, you know, make me come from going down on me, I'd be like, you should jump something else. Save me some more.

[Akash Singh]

Thank God.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. So that doesn't work. All right, this is good. It's good to know. Is there anything a guy that you really like can do that you're like, immediately, no, I'm done.

[Akash Singh]

Actual Ick.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, like not like a oh, he rubs his hair or oh, he like, puts his shoulders up in the rain.

[Akash Singh]

Funny. They may be. Yeah. I don't think they're a lot of.

[Dove]

Sending food back at a restaurant.

[Andrew Schulz]

Really?

[Akash Singh]

What if they actually fucked it up.

[Eddie]

Being rude weight staff.

[Akash Singh]

Oh, I'm with that. I can see that.

[Kiana]

I see that. Tanya. Supporting P. I knew you were you Jewess.

[Akash Singh]

Oh, my God, dude.

[Kiana]

I also feel like this is New York contingent. Like, I feel like dating in New York guys in New York just kind of suck. Like, I hear my friends tell me stories about, like, dating guys in New York and it's just like, no guy ever wants to settle down your female friends. And like, no guy wants to.

[Dove]

Dating in Milwaukee is going to be better.

[Kiana]

I kind of do.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

I mean, I don't know, but this is my feelings that, like, the more like small town, like, Christian vibes, more guys are like, yeah, I'll get married.

[Mark Gagnon]

And you have less options out there.

[Dove]

Are those towns only Christian? Where are we supposed to go?

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay, so you're saying because the culture reinforces getting married and meeting someone that you want to be with. Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

Also potentially the culture. I remember you saying, I don't know if it still applies, but when we first started hanging out, you were like, girls move to LA to get famous. They moved to New York to live sex in the city lives. So to a guy it's like, well, these girls are just trying to anyway, so I'll find somebody else around the corner. As in a place where it's like, now these girls are trying to settle down, you might have to be on more on your P's and Q's.

[Tanya]

So talk like analysis paralysis here.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's like that's, that's what I say. Like talking to some. Easily talking to some of my guy friends here. They feel like, like dating is tricky because the girls are handling five or six guys and one guy could be better. And what are my options?

[Tanya]

Same, vice versa.

[Andrew Schulz]

But do I. I haven't heard you guys talk about that at all. Do you feel that way?

[Dove]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. So you're like, I don't really know if I like this guy. And now if you have five guys that you don't really know if you like, you're probably looking at these like icks or red flags way more than if you had one guy in your hometown that you were really into.

[Dove]

Yeah. It has me using things to rule people out that like, seem kind of cruel. I said this to your friend. I was like, oh yeah? Well, like he's so aa, so like he's done. And she was like, well, those people deserve love.

[Andrew Schulz]

I was like, not from me.

[Kiana]

He's trying to better his life.

[Andrew Schulz]

He's turn everything around.

[Akash Singh]

Like, it's just.

[Dove]

That doesn't fit into my life.

[Akash Singh]

That's scary, dude. Cuz one drink and then he's off the way. And now you're in it.

[Dove]

Like you're four other dudes who want.

[Mark Gagnon]

My time and they don't do it.

[Akash Singh]

Which one is it?

[Dove]

Actually, it's all of the above.

[Akash Singh]

Okay.

[Dove]

But it's like you're looking for things to rule them out because. Yeah, there's like seven other dudes on that. The silly little apps that want to take you in the next spot.

[Andrew Schulz]

So that is the problem with the apps is there's constantly a new person and when you think like that, what is it? The grass is always greener.

[Dove]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And the first time you meet somebody, you look at all the opportunity that presents itself. Right. It's like there's like hope in it. Like he could be perfect.

[Dove]

Look at all these also have Way too much information. You have their, like everything they believe in and their sense of humor and all these pictures and their religion and like, it's like, how much are you.

[Andrew Schulz]

Googling people when you meet?

[Dove]

Oh, zero.

[Eddie]

Just an Instagram. Just like look at their Instagram just to see if you have mutuals.

[Andrew Schulz]

So wait, you're looking at link. That is a good LinkedIn word. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Eddie]

Tanya said Raya. And.

[Akash Singh]

It'S so funny, dude, I mean.

[Tanya]

What you were saying earlier, like, I.

[Andrew Schulz]

We're just looking.

[Tanya]

I'm 34 years old, I'm not dating a bartender.

[Andrew Schulz]

God damn. God, yo. You know, it's so funny. This is. Dove is such a girl. Because the first thing he says when he meets a new girl, he's like, she's actually an engineer and she works for whatever. And I'm like, nobody ask what her occupation. Show us the video that doesn't have a filter so we can get like an accurate assessment.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, it's all visual. I knew a guy's girl was really hot when I said see a picture? And he just handed me the phone and he didn't hand select a picture.

[Andrew Schulz]

Picture.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's love. Okay, what do, what do you guys feel about, like how you look on Instagram versus reality? Like, do you, do you feel when you go to a date, like everybody looks better on Instagram for sure. But now with all these filters and shit, is there ever a moment, like, where you've only talked to this person online, he's only seen what you guys present online, and then in person you're like, is he gonna think that I'm as attractive? Like, is there any of that insecurity that comes out?

[Eddie]

There wasn't any. Until one time a guy showed up 100 pounds. Pounds heavier.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, no, I'm talking about on you guys.

[Eddie]

Oh.

[Andrew Schulz]

So guys are catfishing too?

[Eddie]

Wait, I ran for the hill. I laugh.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay.

[Dove]

I think I do hear from my guy friends of like, oh, she misrepresented herself. And I'm like, okay, that's a nice way to say that she wasn't as hot as the pictures. Yeah, I think everyone's using four year olds pictures. But I also think for us looking at a guy's profile, if I'm going to show my friends, like, they're all like, the first thing is like, oh, well, they look better in person. Like, men are given more permission to look shitty on Instagram because it's like, oh, like they don't take pics.

[Akash Singh]

What about this A lot of guys, some of whom are on this podcast, will lie about their height. How does that make you feel?

[Dove]

That does not make me feel good as a 59 lady. Like, I don't want you to come and be embarrassed. You know, I don't want to meet you at the restaurant. And you'd be like, oh, I shouldn't have lied. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Do you pay for dinner if you're taller?

[Dove]

I walk away if I'm taller.

[Andrew Schulz]

So the height is a huge thing.

[Kiana]

Like, you cannot honesty, I think. Right.

[Dove]

Or just honesty. But also, like, yeah, maybe I could date a guy that's shorter. But it's like, if I'm looking for reasons to rule them out, that's a big one. Because I don't want them to resent me for being taller than them. Like, I don't want them to have any male ego about how they think.

[Andrew Schulz]

You think a guy who's shorter would have a male ego about being with a taller girl? You wouldn't. You wouldn't see him as, like, a badge of honor. He'd be like, oh, my God, look at this.

[Eddie]

Well, that's why girls call them short kings.

[Andrew Schulz]

The ones who are not insecure about it. Yeah, got it.

[Eddie]

But, like, if they're shorter than you and then they misrepresent themselves, if they're shorter than you and then they misrepresent themselves, why would you want to continue to date them?

[Akash Singh]

That's how we feel if you're not as attractive. But for you, it's height specifically, not just.

[Eddie]

It's, like, fair. Like, so we're all just lying shallow, Especially in New York.

[Andrew Schulz]

But I think the apps have, like, really increased the levels of shallow, because that's the only thing that we can judge on. Whereas back in the day, you'd meet someone at a bar, you knew kind of how tall they were, immediately you knew what they look like. Pretty much, yeah.

[Eddie]

You just hoped you weren't drunk enough. Like, how drunk you were.

[Kiana]

What if a guy has a picture with, like, three of his boys and he's the least attractive one in the group?

[Dove]

Oh, my God. Bad.

[Andrew Schulz]

Always bad. Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah. What are you doing? What an idiot.

[Andrew Schulz]

Wait, why is that bad?

[Dove]

Okay. Okay, so then you're going to the date and you're hoping because. Okay, with all these pictures, I'm looking at all these different profiles. I'm not quite grasping which one you are. I'm just hoping it's the guy on the left. I'm hoping.

[Akash Singh]

I'm hoping you don't know.

[Andrew Schulz]

There's no way. You'll on a date and you don't even know which one of the three guys it is?

[Dove]

Oh, yeah.

[Tanya]

One picture with a group and the numbers are, like, solo, so you can figure out which one it is. Are you asking are we going to date the ugliest guy in their group or you're not sure who the guy is?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

Would that be an issue if he was the ugliest guy in the group?

[Andrew Schulz]

But what if he was?

[Tanya]

Oh, not at all.

[Dove]

It's not an issue. But you're doing yourself a disservice posting something on your profile where your. Your boy looks hot.

[Andrew Schulz]

What does it matter? We don't care about that.

[Dove]

No, you're out.

[Tanya]

You're supposed to. What? Not have.

[Eddie]

There was a girl.

[Tanya]

Funny one. I went for the funny, ugly one.

[Andrew Schulz]

There was a girl.

[Akash Singh]

There's a lot of women that feel that way.

[Andrew Schulz]

Thank God. Time about to get a lot of dms.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Make your profile private.

[Kiana]

I'm so ugly.

[Andrew Schulz]

You have no idea, girl.

[Dove]

I mean, a happy relationship.

[Tanya]

Don't DM me.

[Eddie]

There was a girl in my sorority who lost a ton of weight, and she kept her profile photo of her 20 pounds heavier so that they would be like, oh, my God, she's so hot. When they met her in person.

[Akash Singh]

How many people met her in person?

[Eddie]

A good amount.

[Akash Singh]

Really?

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, catfish. Exactly.

[Dove]

No, I think that's a bad idea because you want to get as many like you. You want to get the best you can get. Now that you worked hard for this body, go get what you.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but then there's also something to that. Like, if your mentality is get the. The best and you know, you're getting DMs or you're connecting with all these people on these apps, your brain is always going to be looking for a little bit better thing instead of looking for the thing that you want, and that's going to make you.

[Dove]

It's mental illness. What's happening is not a good thing.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's important to say. Yes.

[Dove]

I'm just describing what's happening.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Dove]

This is not a way to, like, meet your soulmate.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right. So maybe girls should get off the apps.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Seems like it's just making life harder for you.

[Dove]

You maybe, but I still want to drive home the point of, like, the effort thing is not that hard.

[Andrew Schulz]

But what if it's hard for us? Like, it wasn't.

[Dove]

I think that that's kind of like the. I'm like, why is it so?

[Andrew Schulz]

Why.

[Dove]

Why don't you feel like an intrinsic motivation to like, surprise and delight the person that you're with.

[Andrew Schulz]

It does feel really good. It does feel really good to do. I will be honest. It feels really good. And then when you make them happy, it. There is like a feeling of euphoria that comes from it. But I will say, say it is. It's not like the most natural instinct that we have. The more natural instinct is like, how do I provide? How do I make sure that we're safe? If somebody disrespects them, how do I make sure that, like, they don't know that I'm afraid to fight them? You know.

[Akash Singh]

You gotta move to red states. I need a gun.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

No, in all honesty though, I agree with what Andrew's saying. Like, when I'm like. When I was like dating, I thought about like the primary values first, not like the stupid other shit, you know what I mean?

[Dove]

What are your primary values? Jewish.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, yeah. The trick is to be Jewish. Yeah, that whittles it down.

[Kiana]

That's a cheat code.

[Tanya]

It was like, respect, generosity, like that need to like, care for me and I have a future. Not around, like, all that other stuff was more important than like, I don't give a fuck about flowers. I kill them in a day anyway.

[Dove]

Like, yeah, I guess that'll be given to me, like, if you're in a relationship with.

[Tanya]

But to me, that is a lot of the effort is like, like those like primary things first and then everything else is kind of like icing on the cake. Like if he doesn't send me a playlist or send me flowers. But like on a day to day basis, there's like respect and also like little things, I think, like effort. Like, for example, like Zach, like, when it's cold outside, he like walks Frankie. Cause like, I don't.

[Dove]

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

[Tanya]

But that's effort. But that also comes down to like, oh, he's gonna. He takes care of me, which is very valuable.

[Kiana]

Filling up your water. That's a big one.

[Tanya]

Which one?

[Kiana]

Filling up the girl's water.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's water.

[Dove]

So go to the kitchen, fill up both.

[Kiana]

Fill up the water.

[Dove]

Little stuff like that.

[Kiana]

Men, fill up the water. That's what.

[Akash Singh]

I totally agree.

[Tanya]

But like, that's not the same as like making reservations and sending flowers and like surprising me with all these other.

[Andrew Schulz]

Things, you know, it's kind of interesting.

[Dove]

I think walking your dog is like on that level.

[Andrew Schulz]

But we've, we've divided.

[Akash Singh]

I think y'all are getting neither as women in general.

[Andrew Schulz]

So you're like, no, hold on.

[Tanya]

It doesn't require planning. That's the difference.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, no. We've devised this system where we did things that showcase effort, and I think we started to call it chivalry, and then it just became expected. And now it's no longer seen as effort because it is the expectation of our gender. And so now we're going outside of our gender expectation. That is writing a card which is not natural to us. Right. Fighting some guy in a bar is an extraordinary effort. Right. That we have to do. That's expected of us. But we don't. I don't know if we get the same credit for doing it, because if you don't do it, you're a. How could you not support your girl? Whatever.

[Akash Singh]

I gotta pretend I'm willing to fight, even though we both know I'm not. It's a lie we both maintain.

[Andrew Schulz]

But no, on some serious. I wonder if we've done a bad job of that. Like, we should. Never coined it as chivalry. We should have never even spoken about it and just done it. And then when it happened to you guys, you'd be like, oh, that was so nice and thoughtful of them. But now all the things that are kind of like a little bit more natural, the things that we do, opening a door, obviously paying for dinner and doing these types of things are the expectation. But the problem now, we gotta do girly. So y'all know that we like you.

[Eddie]

You're buying a card is not in.

[Andrew Schulz]

Our wheelhouse at all.

[Dove]

Okay.

[Eddie]

Where's Gen Z? Chivalry in Gen Z is dead. They don't know how to open doors.

[Akash Singh]

You think that's more of a New York thing? Because I grew up in the South. That's an expectation.

[Eddie]

Hold doors open South. It's different in New York.

[Dove]

I. I think what Andrew's saying about the, like, being willing to fight someone in a bar.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's a stupid example, but.

[Akash Singh]

No, no, it's.

[Dove]

It's a fine point. But it's so rare.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dove]

Like. Like, that could happen once every two years.

[Andrew Schulz]

A fight isn't a real thing, but it's more about, like, somebody being rude to you.

[Tanya]

You want your man to protect you.

[Eddie]

Yeah, it's just.

[Dove]

That's just so rare. So the sticky note gets you to the.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, some guy gawking at you on the street and then making him feel uncomfortable for doing that is not actually a. But it's this little example of, hey, I'm going to protect or say a.

[Kiana]

Crazy guy on the subway and you're like, I don't like that.

[Dove]

That's awesome. Like, keep doing that. I, I, yeah, that's awesome.

[Akash Singh]

But in his, he's saying that count as effort expected.

[Andrew Schulz]

And you guys, maybe, I don't know, but maybe you don't see it as the same effort as like getting you a card. But in our minds we're like, hey, this is me showing that you're really important to me. And there's this weird homeless guy. We're walking down the street. I'm gonna move you to this side just in case anything happens. And I wonder if you clock it the same way. Like, oh, that was really thoughtful that he did that.

[Dove]

I think that that's not a, like a given. I don't think all the guys out there are doing that. No one has moved me around from a creepy guy.

[Eddie]

Literally only nine, though.

[Akash Singh]

You can fight shield me.

[Eddie]

I only date guys who are significantly older than me because men in our generation are the worst.

[Andrew Schulz]

This is interesting. Speak on this. Yes. So you said that your generation is known for, for dating much older men.

[Akash Singh]

Sorry, how can we ask how old you are?

[Eddie]

Okay, I'm 22. Like my last boyfriend was 31.

[Kiana]

So, okay, like an old guy, 31.

[Akash Singh]

That's my wife and me, we both started dating.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's funny. But you also said that as well, so. And is that, is that a thing that like your generation is known for? Do people talk about this or is this kind of like an unsaid statistic?

[Eddie]

I feel like a lot of my friends do. Like, I feel like it's like the norm.

[Dove]

I, I don't want to say that it's like, oh, like Gen Z, because it's like the biggest cliche in the book that like dudes in their 30s want to date 22 year olds. Like, that is how life kind of works. But I think it's happening for Gen Z because these guys, because no one is. Oh, sorry. Because no one's like, moving me away from the creepy guy or like doing those things. Maybe a 35 year old might know to do that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, wow.

[Dove]

Neither.

[Eddie]

Like walking on the outside of the sidewalk.

[Dove]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie]

Like when you're walking down the street, like they'll go on the out. Like that is just something that should naturally happen. Like if you date someone who's like 23, just moved to New York, it's.

[Dove]

Like, oh my God, like, this is the best.

[Eddie]

You're like playing tour guide and it's.

[Dove]

Like miserable and their only Socialization is video games. Like their, their brains are like, wrong.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tanya]

But do you think this is a problem of also how your generation kind of brought that on themselves with the whole like, equality thing? It's like you want everything to be equal and like, okay, shit, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

If this was an audio only podcast, like revealing the video of her and it's just one of us in a wake, we don't need to be here for this.

[Tanya]

But it's like that is a. I think that happened.

[Dove]

I need you.

[Tanya]

That happened with the whole society being like, oh, men and women are exactly equal. Everything is the exact same. And you guys made it seem like it looks they're looking down upon you if they treat you a certain way. So then they just naturally start. Stop doing things.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. So I think there was real, real quick.

[Tanya]

Sorry.

[Andrew Schulz]

But like, but I think there is a little bit of that. Like, I've spoken to younger guys about this and there was a little bit of a concern about doing some more chivalrous acts and it coming across as like almost condescending. And so I think there was a hesitation because they're like, oh, I don't want them to think that like they're this helpless little girl that can't do anything. So they pulled back from maybe some of these efforts. Well, we would, we call them chivalry. But like some of the effort the men did that actually did make you feel good. And now I don't want to say you're craving it, but it is comforting when you're dating the older guys and they do do it. Maybe.

[Dove]

I have like, really.

[Eddie]

Well, I grew up here, so I have like really woke friends and like normal people friends. No, I'm so serious. Like I have friends who like, if the guy pays on the first date, like she's going to insist, like she's going to shove it down there. So like I'm going to split. Like, no, we should split. I'm never going to do that because like Chines, I'm half Chinese. It's not my culture. Yeah, yeah. I had a guy one time, he was like, you know, I think when you're in a relationship, you split every single thing down the middle, even like a cup of coffee. And I looked at him and I go, that's not in my culture, unfortunately.

[Andrew Schulz]

We drink tea. Okay, so is that possible though? Is it your generation? The guys are actually trying to do the thing that they think you want, which is to treat you as equals and to get rid of these like, gender, gender restrictions. But Some of them actually make you feel good now you're dating these older guys just so you can get that nice, comforting feeling of effort and love.

[Dove]

I'm gonna voice something that I do not think is a good thing, but I think is true, is that there you get more permission to do those chivalrous things that maybe might come off as, like, creepy or too forward or, like, infantilizing you. You get more permission to do that the hotter you are.

[Andrew Schulz]

What? That's okay.

[Dove]

I do feel that way.

[Kiana]

Like, if.

[Dove]

If a gross guy hits on you in the grocery store, it's like, get away from me. Or, like. Or, you know, does a protective action. It's like, oh, I didn't need that. But if it's like a 65, you know, could be the one, you're like, yeah, I. I do need help.

[Akash Singh]

It feeds into, like, the fairy tales and all that.

[Dove]

Yeah, 100%. So I think. Yeah. I don't know what the advice there is, but I do observe that happening.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think the advice is there no rules if.

[Dove]

When you're hot. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

That goes for women, too.

[Andrew Schulz]

Finance.

[Akash Singh]

So here's a question about the chivalry thing that it became kind of the expectation, it feels like with men. The. The expectation back in the day was. This is where it was maybe smart on women's part. Expectation was, you cook, you clean, whatever. And now when a woman does those things, that's really thoughtful. And we ain't asking from. That's great. Yeah, get the chivalry. And you're asking for thoughtfulness. Whereas on the other end, if you're doing the things that were expected back then, you are like, that's thoughtful. So can you understand maybe our psychology of, like, well, we're being chivalrous? Isn't that thoughtful? What is this extra shit?

[Andrew Schulz]

That's an interesting point. Like, maybe we digested the same way. When a woman would cook, clean, and do all those things back in the day, the guy was like, well, yeah, I'm working. Like, what the hell are you doing all day? You better do it. And you're like, hey, no, I'm making this house beautiful for you. And I made this meal beautiful. And I went to the market. I got all these, you know, fresh foods. You get delicious meal, and you're not even in caring about it. And now it's almost reversed.

[Akash Singh]

Now you're like, how dare you expect that? So we don't. And when you do it, we're like, wow. No, but that.

[Dove]

But that is still expected. That is still expected. Women Are exhausted from working all day. And then, like, you know, when men get married to women, their quality of life improves. They remember to brush their teeth.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's true.

[Dove]

You know, they are taken care of in a way that it's just natural. If you're living in my house, yeah, I'm going to make sure the dishes are done. And like, you know, it's just like, I love you. It's a done deal. I think women are doing both. Both the domestic and labor outside. And then men are considering chivalry as equal to, like, cooking a crazy Sunday night meal. Like, that took hours and shopping and effort. It's like, you need to do more. If you're putting those as, like, the extracurriculars outside of working, the housework is way harder than, like, stepping to a guy at the mouth.

[Akash Singh]

Push it back. It does seem like a lot more couples. There's eating out a lot more uber eats, a lot more restaurants, date nights, cleaning ladies, even in. So for y'all, it is completely natural to say, I'm working. I'm not trying to do all that. I think in healthier couples that I see, it's very much like, well, yeah, so don't. We'll figure that out. You don't have to do that. That's not expected of you. But it's still us expected of men. Generally, the chivalry is expected now. Go above and beyond. Whereas if we. If you were working and cooking and cleaning, a guy was complaining to his dude friends, he might just do it. But a lot of dude friends be like, shut the up, dude. Your wife works, she cooks, she clean. What you. You're a fudgeing loser.

[Eddie]

I think it's a cultural thing.

[Dove]

Sounds pretty good.

[Eddie]

Like, like, think about the households where, like, Sunday dinners are really important. Like Spanish household Italians. Like, I think the. Where you were raised and, like, where you come from plays such a huge role into that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Curates the expectations you have for yourself.

[Eddie]

Because, like, I feel like I love cooking. Like, that's something like, I enjoy. Like, I don't mind clean kitchen, but, like, you should be carrying the groceries and, like, I could go pick them up. I could do whatever. Like, I'm going to leave bottom six. You should be carrying them up the stairs. So maybe, like, little things.

[Andrew Schulz]

So maybe the pendulum is swinging around a little bit and we have to just come to this, you know, kind of middle ground where you have to state clearly what your expectations are of us. What is the baseline.

[Dove]

Well, that's impossible.

[Andrew Schulz]

Then that's your fault. Because we. Yeah, we know what. Because I think we know what our expectations are of you guys. We know what is the baseline and we know what makes us feel good. When you go a little bit above.

[Dove]

The baseline and can you just tell me what the expectations are? Just so. I know because I don't quite.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, it's opposite way the same. No, no. But, you know, I think. I think it's like. I think it's like. It's like hygiene, obviously in the initial shaved.

[Dove]

Is that the hygiene? Like, what is the list? I'm curious.

[Andrew Schulz]

Shower smell good.

[Akash Singh]

Maybe it's because I date Indian women, but like, come on.

[Andrew Schulz]

Jesus. You know, I mean, shave heroin.

[Akash Singh]

You need to. Got it.

[Andrew Schulz]

I thought you talk about hygiene, don't.

[Akash Singh]

Come with your feet. That shaving is. Come on. Expected.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes. I think there are those, like, baseline, like, okay, just be hot expectations. Right? Which sounds like. I guess it even sounds annoying describing it to you guys. But if. If I don't say it, then I'm not being honest. Right? So I think that there is that like a. A care to look beautiful. I think that that matters. Right? And then just maintain it. It's not like saying you can't fucking like schlep around the sweats or whatever. That's fun too. But like, it is nice to know that that something you guys value 100%. I think like a curiosity and care about us. Maybe it's just because we're comedians, but that's important to me. Like me and my wife having conversation, her wanting to know what's going on in my life. Like me taking interest in what's going on in hers. Like those really caring and like supporting the cooking and the cleaning stuff is extra. It's like an extra added bonus. But do you care about me? Do you care about what's going on in my life? And do you want to support me in achieving my dreams? That's like, selfishly what I would. Would say. And once you have a kid, everything's out the window and it's different stuff. But before that, it's this feeling of like, okay, you're going to be my partner. Do you really ride from it? Oh, you're really supportive. You see all these things going on. You know, I'm having a hard time with this. And you're trying to make it as easy as possible. That's huge.

[Dove]

That's exactly the clip. That's exactly what she wants too. And the same sticky note is just like. Or a playlist. Like, it's just a little action that Shows. Hey, I got you. Hey, I'm thinking about you.

[Andrew Schulz]

It seems like not having those creates resentment. Where. If my. Where I don't know if, if a woman didn't cook or clean, if we would resent her for it. I don't know if it would like, it would be this like, uproar on a pot if that clip came out. We were describing that scenario, but you.

[Eddie]

Didn'T have like clean socks and underwear. How would you feel?

[Andrew Schulz]

But this is the thing where I'm just like, I. I can outsource that to somebody who can make your life easier. You know what I mean? Just. I'm just telling you like, where our baselines are. And I feel like our baselines are a little off. And it seems like you guys need a little bit more thoughtfulness than we think you need.

[Dove]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

For you to not resent us because we don't want to be resented, that's huge. Because in our minds, a lot of us, we feel like we're going above and beyond. So when you get resentment and you think you're going above and beyond, it creates a real future.

[Akash Singh]

Resenting? Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You're like, why do you resent, like, I do all that? Like, we think we're doing all this where your baseline is actually higher than what we expect of ourselves. I think that's exactly our baseline for you.

[Akash Singh]

You is lower than what you think.

[Dove]

No, it's hard to keep your weight the same and stay shame.

[Andrew Schulz]

Listen, listen, listen.

[Dove]

All that stuff is hard.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, listen. Cuz your baseline isn't based on us like you said earlier. It's based on your mom. So you're putting your mom on me. I'm not your mom. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't care what your mom said. So I think we need to find that, Like, I think we need to work on finding what that baseline is and, and work on. Okay. Wow. You went above and beyond. And this was really extra. You might like, fold all the socks and shit. I don't care if they're folded or not. I don't care if they're mixed. I don't care if they're inside out or not.

[Akash Singh]

But you might be looking at me.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like none of your underwear is inside out.

[Dove]

I did this for you. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

I never looked at my underwear. Left side. I don't.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Dove]

I think the solution for this, nobody wants the resentment. And I think women are confused when they open their mouth and everything is nagging. I think it's a bad point to get to. I think women should be more comfortable being single and like, like not take out that. That mom or societal pressure on their partner.

[Andrew Schulz]

You guys need to write it down. We need, we need the expectations.

[Tanya]

But it's also fair. Like we're like Mike, when, when we move in together, we're expecting.

[Andrew Schulz]

We're.

[Tanya]

We're doing all the cleaning because we want it to be clean, not for them. And they don't give a.

[Andrew Schulz]

And then, and then you get up.

[Tanya]

Garbage in his, in his bathroom. Until I moved in, he would use his washing machine as the hamper. Like his socks would go from the thing into the drawer with not wanting.

[Andrew Schulz]

You act like you're doing it for us.

[Akash Singh]

For us.

[Tanya]

Because I'm doing it for myself, not for him. He doesn't give a. So, so that cleaning thing is on me, not him. Cuz I want the house to be that way.

[Andrew Schulz]

So nice.

[Kiana]

And she's like, I didn't touch it today. I go, who cares?

[Andrew Schulz]

Compliment.

[Dove]

That's good, right?

[Tanya]

Yeah, but at least she wasn't around. Mark didn't have a two toothbrush for three days.

[Andrew Schulz]

Two days. Okay.

[Kiana]

You're shooting a thing. I got one.

[Akash Singh]

That's two days. Disgusting.

[Andrew Schulz]

But I think this is a good place to get to. What are your expectations? The baseline expectations of us? Right. So that we can understand. We might look at them and be like, you know, I can't do that consistently. It's just really not important to me. And I'll do it a little bit so you feel good, but know that it is not important to me. And the only reason I'm doing this, you feel good. That's different than you expect me to do it every single time. Because there's going to be resentment because of that gap.

[Dove]

Yeah, the. The expectation of mind reading is hard, but.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, but like even mind reading, I feel like is part of all this. Like to get to the point where she's upset that you didn't read her mind. She was upset about 10 things before that.

[Akash Singh]

Oh, interesting.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know what I mean? Interesting.

[Kiana]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Akash Singh]

So I just learned something.

[Dove]

You're so right.

[Akash Singh]

I had no idea.

[Kiana]

You need a man to explain.

[Akash Singh]

Finally.

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm listening. Finally. We need to know what you guys baseline expect from us. And right now it's more than we thought that you do. And you need to know that what we baseline expect from you is less than what your mom says you should.

[Mark Gagnon]

Bare minimal.

[Andrew Schulz]

For real.

[Tanya]

It's so easy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Honestly.

[Tanya]

Men are so easy.

[Andrew Schulz]

Bare minimum, like talking. Can you fucking talk?

[Tanya]

Men are easy. It's like they want the most basic primal things in life. And it hasn't changed, which are in thousands of years. They want you to look good. They want good sex and they want to be fed. And they want attention.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yes, we do love.

[Tanya]

Constant love and affection and attention. The way to listen. That's really it. Those, those little things on top are all extra that we think we have to do for them, but they don't really give a about those little things.

[Akash Singh]

None of that means anything to them.

[Mark Gagnon]

And peace at home.

[Tanya]

They're simple.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Tanya]

They're simple. Yeah. And peace and quiet.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

No, not you. No, no, General. Women. No. You're doing great. That was awesome. That was awesome.

[Andrew Schulz]

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[Andrew Schulz]

Of comedic drama happening in India right now.

[Akash Singh]

Yes.

[Andrew Schulz]

This started popping up on my socials because anytime somebody gets like canceled for a joke abroad especially, I get tagged in like posts that have like lettering I don't understand. And like it's always something in the translate is like, oh, if you think this is bad, yeah, right. Did you get those as well? It's like some shoal stuff.

[Akash Singh]

You got to save your boy or something. And they added run Veer Alabadia, who I've mentioned on this podcast, he's like a big podcast.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's Beer Biceps.

[Akash Singh]

Beer Biceps. He's India's Rogan.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, wow.

[Akash Singh]

So he's a big deal. He said, like, I only started podcasting because of Joe Rogan. He's a sweet kid. Help me get. And you did the pod with him Two episodes. But then there's this other Indian comedian, Sam Reina. Very funny kid. He won like India's version of last comic Standing. But it matters over there.

[Andrew Schulz]

Okay.

[Akash Singh]

Joke writer, purist, like, loves to crack. He started the show similar to Kill Tony, but he gives Kill Tony credit.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Akash Singh]

It's a crossover of Kill Tony and India's Got Talent a little bit. It's called India's Got Latent. Latent doesn't matter. It's just like a play on the word talent. But the idea is it's not just comedy. You as an, as a contestant, come up, you do a talent.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

Before you do the talent, you rate, you give yourself what score you think you'll get on a 1 to 10. So if you are self aware and you're like, I'm a four and we didn't like your act and we give you a four, even if we thought you're a piece of shit and that's why we gave you a four, you could still win because your score, it's not about who's the best, it's about who's got the most self awareness. It's really clever concept.

[Andrew Schulz]

I just want to point out one thing that's dope, Tony. Before you get upset that somebody has, you know, taken your show, I just want to point something out. This is very serious right here. India has taken Superman, Batman, every Marvel movie, every huge billion dollar blockbuster movie they've made, made into Bollywood and now they're doing with Kill Tony.

[Akash Singh]

That is like a fan. And he gives Tony credit.

[Andrew Schulz]

But that's the ultimate sign of respect.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Where an Indian cultural institution has taken your concept and ran with my understanding.

[Akash Singh]

Is he's truly like, I can't. These people can't make it to India to do Kill Tony. Let's bring Kill Tony over here. And the show, it goes bonkers. I'm talking like it's India, but like.

[Andrew Schulz]

It makes like $3,000 a year. Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

Yes. You deserve royalties on not dollars, but views. 20 million and f. It's like insanely big. It becomes a part of the zeitgeist.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like the cultural conversation.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah. Some a becomes this massive star. He was already a good comic, respected, but now he's out of here, Right? One episode they're doing. And just like Hill Tony, he's got his guests who are celebrities. One episode they're doing. Ranveer Al Abadi, who's a sweet kid. Asks the contestant a hypothetical. Hey, would you rather watch your parents have sex forever or join in to make it stop? Seems like a fun hypothetical. All of a sudden there's this massive uproar. They're threatened with going to jail. Legal issues. It's like getting fir. I forget where that stand that stands for. But essentially, like, we're preparing a legal case against you. Ranveer's parents, like people are so.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's not even some.

[Akash Singh]

Some both are getting threatened. But Ramveer did. And people who were at the taping said Ranveer, year after he said it, checked in on the guy. He's like, hey, that didn't hurt your feelings? Which is like, you didn't mind that too much. I wasn't too bad for you, right? Checks in again after the episode. Hey, you're okay with that? The guy's like, yeah, it's all good. They keep in the episode. Suddenly it just becomes this massive case of how dare you put something that obscene in entertainment. India has the most violent fucking movie. There's a movie called Animal that came out in 2023. Great movie. It's maybe the most violent movie I've ever seen in my life.

[Andrew Schulz]

But they're killing Muslims.

[Akash Singh]

No, no, other Indians, which is a problem. Joking about Muslims probably. Okay, but there's also. Dude, Indian comics have gone to jail for making jokes about like that are adjacent. A Muslim comic went to jail for making jokes like adjacent to Hinduism and not even really.

[Andrew Schulz]

So they're going through their comedy struggle, which happens in every country. Like this happened in America too. Yeah, I understand. Things are going to be inflated there at a different level and there's probably going to be more severe actions taken. But like, it's. It's not to say that this isn't a Common occurrence historically. Like there have been American comedians that got arrested for you know, what is it? The seven deadly words or whatever it is.

[Akash Singh]

Seven words you can't say on television.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. I'm not, I'm not saying it's not potentially way worse there. But what I am saying is it is common that as comedy pops up in a country and you start to say things that the, the society or culture does not digest with great frequency.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And a lot of those people not really understanding like the intention is to make people laugh. There is this knee jerk rebellion. This knee jerk reaction is oftentimes negative and punitive.

[Akash Singh]

There's a lot of people who have no idea what standup is and they're, they're getting offended by this. But what two things are different.

[Andrew Schulz]

One and sorry they don't have free.

[Akash Singh]

Speech as like a go go is the second difference. The first difference is back then they're not going to dox you. There's no Internet. You can find out who Lenny Bruce's mom is. Ranveer is like people are. His mom is a doctor. People are pretending to be patients coming in and then like threatening and whatever. Second difference is there is not a constitutional right to free speech. India's constitution. I'm going to fuck this up a little bit. But it's essentially like you have the right to make your speech and they have the right to get offended. And then we can kick it up to the legal battle and see what's going to happen. It seems like legally they're going to side against the comics and say the reaction toward them is not okay. You can't take violent action on your own. But they, these people should be censored. So that is where I'm not going to speak ill of the Indian government because I'm terrified of them. Whatever they. God bless. Yeah, absolutely. Whatever fear you have about Candace Owens. 100x so guys, hey, no ill will.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's not a knock on you. Candace. Listen, we have a lot of fear and we want to make sure that you keep on doing the great work that you're doing about the Baldoni case and also about Macron. Anyway, back to this.

[Akash Singh]

But what I will say is freedom of speech is not a real thing in India. They don't. It doesn't exist like that. So if you are a comedian that's a real fucking issue. I don't know any solution other than get the fuck out. Because this they're gonna pass a law and I don't know if this is anything I'm not speculating at all, but, you know, keep my family safe. But they're gonna eventually pass a law that is. You don't have. You don't get to say what you want. As a comic, we get to dictate what you.

[Mark Gagnon]

What was the answer to the hypothetical?

[Akash Singh]

I don't remember, but I think we all have the same answer.

[Andrew Schulz]

You get back in there, right? You were in there once. You know what I mean? You go home. You go home. You go home, you end it, and then you're gonna watch them forever.

[Mark Gagnon]

I think you get desensitized after.

[Andrew Schulz]

I didn't think about that move again. Come on, bro. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schulz]

Watch it forever. Does that mean, like, every night that you go home, they're doing it, or do you have to sit in the room forever? Because I couldn't sit in the room. Sit in the room forever.

[Akash Singh]

It's not fair. You got to watch it once a day for the rest of your life.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, we could do that.

[Akash Singh]

Absolutely.

[Kiana]

That's.

[Akash Singh]

To me, the. That's the worst part of the hypothetical. We all have the same answer. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Plus, my dad got a big addict than me, and, like, come on, I can't get involved.

[Akash Singh]

You better watch your dad.

[Andrew Schulz]

You worried about not pleasing your mom, bro?

[Kiana]

Disappoint your parents again.

[Andrew Schulz]

I know, bro.

[Kiana]

Oh, that sucks.

[Akash Singh]

That's what's funny to me.

[Andrew Schulz]

I hear.

[Akash Singh]

We hear this on public radio in America.

[Andrew Schulz]

America.

[Akash Singh]

And there. It's unbelievable. How could you.

[Andrew Schulz]

So they're taking it seriously. They're taking the hypothetical 100 seriously. They're not seeing that both situations are awful and vulgar and obscene. And the reaction they have is right. Like, yes, it's awful, vulgar, and obscene. That's why I'm asking it, because you have to choose between these two things that are horrendous, and you wouldn't want to do either one of them.

[Kiana]

Now, it seems like the Indian free speech law in the Constitution imposes restrictions on certain things like defamation, security of state, but also decency and morality. So now you have, like, morality police basically saying, hey, this violates the Indian law of.

[Akash Singh]

So, yeah, to be honest, any law the government passes is not unconstitutional, whereas here it'd be unconstitutional. It is a direct violation of the Constitution. That is freedom of speech. It's pretty absolute there. It's not absolute. So if the government passes a law, it's on you all for voting for, like, there's. The government didn't do.

[Andrew Schulz]

And this is the perfect thing for them to step in on. Because there are very few people that are not comedy fans that would be supporting questions like, would you fuck your mom so that your dad would stop fudgeing her every day in front of you?

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, they'd be like, we don't need this. They don't realize the trickle down effect of that.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right. So it's a very easy thing to get on board with if you're not a comedy fan. It's. Yeah, it's designed kind of brilliantly by the government if you think about it.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because I'm sure there's been plenty of other jokes that have caused an uproar.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, you've told me this before. There have been comedians that got in trouble. Even Veer, when he came on here, didn't he get in trouble with something?

[Akash Singh]

He wrote a thing called Two Indias. It's like more serious. But if he got in trouble for that, he got the firs thrown at him. They're threatening with illegal action. Like, and when people ask Indians ask, why don't you do a tour here? I hate that because I feel like I'm letting them down. But like, it ain't worth it. The risk reward is just not in my favor. So no, I'll do a pop up show, maybe like, like pop into a spot even. But I'm not, I don't want people there policing and looking for whatever, you know what I mean?

[Andrew Schulz]

But the concern is not your life, the concern is your family.

[Akash Singh]

My family's life.

[Andrew Schulz]

Right. Because you could do a show and then it's going to be like an international dust up. Yeah, but they're not going to arrest an American comedian that's going over there. It's going to make them look bad. Now Trump gets involved, you know, you know him. That's the homies. True. So Trump's not going to let an American.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Doing something that is core to our values. Right. Go over there, get arrested and get locked up.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

But he can't protect your cousins, your uncles and all these other people.

[Akash Singh]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, man, they kick Vivec out of there pretty quick.

[Mark Gagnon]

I don't know how much they coming to his defense.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a good ass point, bro.

[Akash Singh]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now if it's America versus India, we'll win. I'm American to, to Indians and I'm American.

[Andrew Schulz]

They'll clip it to them.

[Akash Singh]

And I'm American to them. If India's got a problem with me, then I'm American to Americans.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah. It's been interesting to see the, the international reaction to Trump, though. Like, Trump has all these international fans and I wonder if, like, some of the things that they believe that he's fighting against here, they hope that their government officials would fight against. Like, corruption is not a thing unique to America in any way. Right. Institutional distrust is not unique to America. So when you brand around this idea of like, hey, we're taking down these corrupt institutions.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know, we're, we're taking down these corrupt politicians, we're draining the swamp. Like, every country out there is like, yeah, why don't you drain this swamp? That's the reason I'm broke, because that swamp is so big.

[Kiana]

So, bro, speaking of Trump in India, did you see him talk to this report? This is one of the all time.

[Andrew Schulz]

This is so just a clip machine and never. You think that should continue here in the US as well? You're going to have to go louder, Mr. President.

[Akash Singh]

People in India would be welcoming your.

[Andrew Schulz]

Decision to extradite the Hub.

[Akash Singh]

Rana to.

[Andrew Schulz]

I can't understand a word.

[Mark Gagnon]

You see, it's not just me.

[Akash Singh]

I had trouble understanding.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. So this is an interesting. I want to get back to the, to the side. Like, this is an interesting thing that I've noticed with Trump is like, people always say this, especially liberals often say this. They're like, why the fuck do worse working class people relate to this guy? He's a billionaire. And I think an interesting thing with Trump is that, like, billionaires don't really relate to him. He talks working class. Right. Like, that's a working class thing to say. Like, a billionaire polished person would be like, would you mind repeating yourself? Like, because he understands the repercussions of saying some shit like that. But a dude that works at the plant and some Indian guys asking him a question is like, yo, can someone translate the English to English? I no clue what's going on. And that relatability allows him to connect to those people which financially he's not connected with at all.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

I was talking to the, the reporter that we had on. Was it last week or two weeks ago? Yeah. That he was here just about that. And it was like we had that conversation about, like, why can. Like, what is the fundamental issue. Like, what, what is the issue with the Democrats? And we were talking out in the hallway and it was like Republicans and not all of them at all, but like, Trump feels like he can hang. He feels like you could talk to him and you're not like, worried about what you say.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

With Democrats, if it was a private room and nobody's around, then we had fucking Tim Waltz in here. We got Buddha or something like one of these guys. Like, yeah, we could hang, we could say whatever, and it doesn't really matter. But the second the cameras go on, they're like, if I mention the pronouns thing is a little bit absurd, am I going to get blowback? And they don't know where the line is. I think, Mark, you said something like, like that they just don't know where it is. And when you don't know where the line is, you speak in this, like, unrelatable way. Yeah, right. And that is something that Democrats are going to have to figure out. You have to figure out how to just speak freely and relate to normal people. And you can't do that when you don't even know where your line is.

[Mark Gagnon]

I figure it's. They just have too many donors that have special interests and it's like, oh, if I see this one thing, I'm gonna piss off this donor.

[Andrew Schulz]

But, but, and I think, I think you catch Republicans with that, especially with, like, the gun stuff. Yeah, but there's a little bit more like. And it's going to get obviously too far and be annoying on the Republican side as well. But there's a little bit more freedom to be like, ah, shut up with that kind of nonsense. Ah, you're being ridiculous. And I, Yeah, whereas like Trump, Democrats are like, yeah, all right, I'm going to, I'm going to piss off the identity politics people. I'm going to piss off these people. I'm going to piss off those people. You're constantly concerned about the piss off. And he doesn't seem that concerned about pissing people off, which is really refreshing.

[Kiana]

He's also an easier spot. Like, right wing people in general are able to just be like, hey, let's just go back. We're conservative, let's not change. Whereas liberal people have to be like, all right, what are we changing? What are we pushing forward as policy? What are the new lines? They're literally trying to find new lines so they don't really have a sort of cognizant view of what the lines are.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, yeah. Like, when your party is wrapped around progress, you have to continue to progress and sometimes you maybe progress too far. Like, NATO's job is to expand. You know what I mean? Like, if you work in a NATO, they're like, all right, where else could we get NATO? And then maybe you go too far and then maybe there's a war that none of us want to be a part of.

[Akash Singh]

If the ACLU is like, yeah, it's pretty good. They're done. It's a wrap. We don't need you anymore.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. But you do need progressives.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because you need to get to a point where they're not lighting gay people on fire.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So it's. It's that. Yeah, it's that unfortunate pendulum swing. And they need to find a way to be progressive without alienating the majority. Because I feel like in their efforts to embrace minorities and embrace the people who don't really have a voice, they've kind of alienated the working class, which is the majority of people in the country. So they need to figure that out. And that. That ain't easy. It's not as easy as going. Get the pronouns out of here.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, that's a tough.

[Kiana]

It's the class issue that they're, like, tiptoeing around.

[Andrew Schulz]

What you mean?

[Kiana]

Like, they don't want to acknowledge the class issue and, like, try to go with, like, billionaires the way Bernie did.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, because they're in bed with the billionaires. Yeah. Like, the Democrats are. The Republicans.

[Kiana]

Democrats, like, I mean, kind of everything, but, like, Democrats, like, in America are, like, kind of right in comparison to the rest of the world. So, like, they're tiptoeing around the class issue and going at, like, all the, you know, like, pop culture shit.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah. Republicans being in bed with billionaires doesn't surprise us. It's in line with.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, that's. That's.

[Akash Singh]

They're the party for the rich.

[Andrew Schulz]

But that is a great point. Like, if they made their cause about the wealth gap and then let all the other stuff kind of go to the side. I'm not saying we just fucking ignore what gay people. Whatever. I'm not saying ignore. But if they made the core identity of it burnout me, which was, hey, you got these institutions, they're taking advantage of you, and you got these rich people that are taking advantage of you. I think that the average working class person could kind of look the other way about some pronoun shit.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know?

[Kiana]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

But because like you said, they're afraid to address it. They gotta lock into these other things that, unfortunately for those people, the rest of America really doesn't care about at the same level that they care about the wealth inequality.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah. I mean, frankly, bigger issue that affects more people.

[Andrew Schulz]

It is.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah. It just.

[Mark Gagnon]

And Republicans are the party of the rich. And a lot of them think, oh, I'm going to be Rich too one day.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's America. Every American think they're going to be a millionaire. Yeah. Okay, so then what happens in India? What happens with these guys?

[Akash Singh]

Like, so they've already taken down all the episodes. Like, that show is off the air. It's not. I tried to look up how many views there were.

[Mark Gagnon]

They took it down.

[Akash Singh]

Or I think. I think the. They were like the. The government was like, take down all the episodes and they were like, we will comply. I don't know for a fact, but that's. It seems like what it is based on reading like some may put. Sorry it. They both apologized. I wasn't trying to offend anybody. I wasn't whatever. Which was like, again, in America you don't have to do that. I think in India you have to do that. So I don't know. I just tweeted before I even knew what was happening. I was like, I don't give a what Ranveer said. I know him. I like him as family. I'm riding with him. Then I said something else and somebody was like, somebody should be fined every time they cuss. Suck my dick, you dumbass. Which I thought was a joke. These tweets made to the Times of India because here you can just stand up for those guys there you cannot. Nobody's saying anything. Oh, your tweets, My tweets, the whole article. Indian comedian who interviewed Trump.

[Andrew Schulz]

You need to chill the fuck out.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, but again, I can stand. I'm not going to criticize the government. I just know I can stand on what comedy is and what free speech is that I'm comfortable. I'm confident in that. The government, theoretically, if they do pass this law, they're not doing anything unconstitutional. So as much as I'm afraid of them, I wouldn't even say what you're doing doing is xyz, because that is the constitution. They are within their. Yeah, I can't call it some gross misuse of power. The constitution was written cookie.

[Kiana]

It's also fascinating how native freedom of speech is and like expression is in America that like even seeing the response from like Indian, like Twitter users being like, oh, this is disgusting. Like, this dude, this guy's a creep. He's issuing this apology. It was deliberate act in full consciousness.

[Akash Singh]

Like, yeah, keep in mind marital is legal in India. You can't wife in India. Impossible for that to be illegal. A hypothetical about somebody body. Wow, that's illegal.

[Kiana]

What is this word? Sanskar.

[Akash Singh]

Sanskar is, I think traditions.

[Kiana]

So decency culture and traditions are not his forte.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

So basically people saying you're violating what it means to be Indian, which is like decency and respect.

[Andrew Schulz]

Wow.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

But then you got to wonder like, is the way America does like freedom of expression in America, is that applicable to all people? Is that inalienable and human or is that just a cultural thing?

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a cultural thing.

[Kiana]

Yeah. I mean like so at a certain point, as Americans do look at this and go, oh, if that's what works for them.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

Or should we stand up for freedom of speech?

[Akash Singh]

That is the issue and that's the.

[Andrew Schulz]

Age old question, man.

[Akash Singh]

I think we are often. I was like, freedom of speech is under attack in India. It doesn't exist.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

It's such a crazy notion that we are in a country like cancer. Cancel culture is like people use it to make money I think here a lot. And it's a little annoying. There it is. Truly your life is in jeopardy. We'll throw you in jail.

[Kiana]

We'll fuck.

[Akash Singh]

We'll take everybody. Everything from everyone you love. Don't around.

[Andrew Schulz]

Is this one of those things where we're projecting our values in the same way that we're like, yo, you gotta let women drive in the Middle east or whatever just because we let them drive here. So now we're projecting our values on them and we believe that free speech is a good, righteous, kind thing that human beings should have.

[Mark Gagnon]

And over there they're like, we have way less accidents. What the.

[Kiana]

We're good.

[Andrew Schulz]

But it is the same. Like, what is it like in intellectual imperialism, if you will. Like, we're not over there boots on the ground. But we're basically shaming you if you don't get American with your.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

At the same time, as a comedian I'm like, I want comedians to be able to say way crazier jokes than that.

[Akash Singh]

I'm support every Indian comic saying, whatever. That's just a fundamental thing for me as an American who is a comic.

[Andrew Schulz]

And the government over there is like, that's cute.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So that's not the way we're going.

[Akash Singh]

To kill all of them. So we're. Yeah, what do you want to do?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Comedy isn't even part of their like identity as a nation. Like comedy is an American art form. I can't imagine America. I can't imagine like American cultural institutions without comedy.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And a restriction on that we reject almost instinctually.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's like, yeah, yeah.

[Akash Singh]

What's a viscerally. It makes me sick.

[Andrew Schulz]

But this is some new over there.

[Akash Singh]

It's like, comedy is literally. I've done comedy longer than the country of India. It started, I think, December 2009. They, like, know exactly when it started. It's brand new to them. I started 2007.

[Andrew Schulz]

I wonder if it's like, It. If. If they were like, you know, break dancing is vulgar. And we'd be like, what are you talking. It's not. It's just dancing. They're like, no, we outlawing that shit.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know, like, that's how new it is.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

To them, you know, so they're like, we can do without break dancing. We've been here for 5,000 years, and there was no break dancing. We'll be fine without it.

[Kiana]

And we're also, like, taken off guard by this because we're like, there's no way that could happen here. But then there, you almost have to wonder, like, did they know? Right. Like, I don't think that's what happened in this case. But, like, let's say there's a comedian that's warned two times, like, hey, the jokes are saying, you're gonna get put in jail. And then he says it a third time.

[Andrew Schulz]

Is.

[Kiana]

Is all of a sudden. Is our empathy for their, you know, restriction of freedom of speech the same? Because it's like, yo, you understood what the consequences.

[Akash Singh]

This is why. Sorry. The other thing, people are like, they're making an example of him. Maybe they are. I don't know. To me, it's weird because if they were doing. Doing that, he's been fairly. The criticism I hear a lot about Ranveer is he's very like, the government's. Whatever. Like, he does. He's pro government. Pro. Like, he's up their ass when people criticize him. So for them to make him the example, I'm like, well, that doesn't even add up to me.

[Andrew Schulz]

Well, is there.

[Akash Singh]

Could be possible. But it just didn't add up to me.

[Andrew Schulz]

Is there any. You said he's the Rogan of India, right?

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Is there any version where they're looking at America and. All right, let me. Let me bring it back. You know how, like, China locked up their tech CEOs?

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And I imagine they looked at America and maybe other countries, and they saw that the p. The power that these, like, tech CEOs had and their ability to influence culture laws, like. And they went, you know what? I don't know if we want to. I think we need to send a message to these tech CEOs in China that they still work for us.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And that we make the real decisions. So you lock them in a basement for a month and then you let them out and then they can continue doing their stuff. But now they know if you're saying that, that he's the. The Rogan of India. I wonder if this is just a message like, yo, you're not big than the system. And we're going to let you know right now you're not bigger. Even though you've been good, even though you, as you're saying, the criticism. He's been up their ass, it's just another reminder. Whereas with Rogan, you can't do that here.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You can't. They've tried. CNN have tried to like, shame him. All these different publications tried to shame Rogan. But, like, at the end of the day, the American people are going to ride with the, with the guy that they feel is giving them the truth.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And not the rhetoric.

[Akash Singh]

To your point, they could be. And what the theory. Conspiracy theorists are saying, whether they're right or wrong, I'm not. Not going to say. But the conspiracy theor saying, well, they're, they're. The law they're trying to pass is about online content and being able to censor that. Which would be, to your point, all online content we can't control. If I'm another country we can't control. We need to figure that out. Let's pass a law.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, look, if you, if you. Sorry.

[Akash Singh]

Theoretically use the guy that's been sympathetic to us so they know, like, it doesn't seem like a hit piece or it doesn't seem like we're making an example of him and sacrificing him, even though we might be. Nobody's going to say that because they're gonna say, oh, this guy's pro government. So they're just Marine really believe in this bill.

[Andrew Schulz]

But he's sympathetic now. You know what I mean? Like, you got to have some control. Right. You never know. And also, he might be sympathetic to the government, but he might be also sympathetic to the Ambanis or another very powerful family. And maybe that's the government going like, hey, we don't. Yeah, yeah, we're daddy. And you got to abide by this because putting too much power in one person. Have you, as you've noticed with in America, like, Joe has the influence, you know, can sway elections. He can sway culture even before the election. He can move culture in a way that will affect the election.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

The election's downstream.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So. Wow. Yeah. I wonder what happens in those rooms. Like, how Crazy. Is it that comedy is at this level where the government needs to potentially step in.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And apply punitive measures to scare people into relinquishing their power. Power and influence.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a crazy. What a time to be in a comedy. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Akash Singh]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a scary thing, man.

[Mark Gagnon]

But every institution has a version of that because it's like, there's words we don't say on here because we know the platform we put it on. Even though we want to say the joke, we won't do it because we know we can potentially get.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, we bleep it.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. That's a good point. That's a real man.

[Kiana]

It's not the government coming down.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's true. But Google, you know, government has their hand.

[Andrew Schulz]

Sure.

[Mark Gagnon]

Like, yeah. What's allowed? And we don't like these words being said. I can see that happening.

[Akash Singh]

I just think the leash is a lot shorter over there. And I just. I have to ride for comedy and the ability to do comedy. Otherwise it's gonna me telling every comic in India, well, you just need to leave, get a. Seek asylum, get a visa, go to what you love somewhere else because.

[Andrew Schulz]

So where is Samay? Why don't we get him on the pod?

[Akash Singh]

I would love to try to. He's actually. I was trying to get him. He's doing shows in Canada right now. I talked to him. He's holding up okay. But he's like a single entry visa, so we got to be able to figure out how to get him back here. But I would love to have him on. I don't know what he's going to be willing to say, but I would love to talk to him. I would love to, because I'm safe in America. I would love to bring light to this issue. I can understand why bigger comics in India are staying silent, but me in America, without trying to make too many enemies, I would like to have some conversation. And maybe he's just asking a bunch of hypotheticals and, you know, having fun and he can't answer them. And that's kind of fun.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's. Yeah. That's the tricky thing when it starts to affect your family.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like, most of us are willing to take it on.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You take on the criticism. And in America is different. It's online criticism, people making comments or saying stupid.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

It's like they're saying death threats, but it's like, okay, whatever. But when they pull up to your mom's job.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

You're not worried about that, like, your tweets are getting picked up in the Times over there. You have family back.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know how many things there are.

[Kiana]

It's true.

[Mark Gagnon]

I mean, that's true.

[Akash Singh]

And they'll probably. They can jump apart. No, they can't. They all think I'm in Japan. Be.

[Andrew Schulz]

Let them.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, I do. But yeah, I guess to me it's like, it's not anti government. What I'm saying is just pro being able to make jokes. And I, I guess to me, I hope that people can make that distinction of like, I'm going to defend comedy. I'm a comic. Unequivocally, this is what I will do. I don't know that they will, but like, I'm not going at the government. I would never do something that crazy. I mean, I fear them. So there you go, that's on record. Everybody, government, I'm afraid of you. I want no smoke.

[Andrew Schulz]

It was, it was like, I remember when we were in Russia and there was like part of me that was like really enticed by like doing. Now I don't have family in Russia, so it's fine. And I'm like, what's the international incident that's going to come from that? Like, it's not going to be a. I'm no bargaining chip or whatever, but at least it's in your brain.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

And it feels a little bit more exciting because the stakes are higher.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know, any joke feels more exciting even when we're in Middle East. Like, doing those jokes felt a little bit more exciting.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Because of the. The cost. But at the end of the day, I get to go. Yeah, all my family's open. I don't have any family. Russia. I have no family in the middle. Like, I'm not concerned about anything happening to them. And the worst thing that happens is, like, I get arrested and then it's this international news story and then I get to come back home. Like, that's the worst thing that's going to happen.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know? Yeah. Yeah.

[Kiana]

The family thing is crazy. I mean, this is like what North Career has on older people. You know, it's like, yo, you can try to run, but like, we know.

[Andrew Schulz]

Where your dad works.

[Kiana]

You know where your cousin is. Like, yeah. So you can be a martyr, but you want your whole family.

[Akash Singh]

They didn't sign up for this. I actually at Indian comic said that to me. His wife was getting sued. He was getting sued. I won't say he was just because it's not worth it probably. But he was like, they didn't sign up for this. That's the thing that me up. And that's. He's like, I'm probably gonna leave because I understand what I was signing up for. They didn't. Yeah, this person just fell in love with me. That's their crime. I can't do that.

[Mark Gagnon]

That sucks.

[Kiana]

Yep.

[Andrew Schulz]

That sucks.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, somebody. We'd love to have you on, dude.

[Andrew Schulz]

We'll try to figure it out. Yeah. As long as you're alive. Because they kill Indians in Canada.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the government will send you over. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

They'll send like a hitman out after him.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, it's true.

[Andrew Schulz]

Imagine he got killed because of your tweets.

[Akash Singh]

I made him a mortal. I made him immortal, actually.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, he'll come back. That's the other thing. Like, yeah, stressing so much about your mom getting killed.

[Akash Singh]

That's true. Like, do you believe it or not, I lose her this lifetime. I'm not worried about her soul. I'm selfishly like, I'm a miss her.

[Andrew Schulz]

But I'm also like, if you're the government, if you're like, killing somebody, ain't.

[Akash Singh]

Married, he could go, no, no, no, no. Who cares?

[Andrew Schulz]

I'm saying, like, if you're the government, just killing somebody, you know that they're going to come back as like a fish or whatever. Like, it's going to. They'll do something.

[Kiana]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So it's really not a good punishment. Keeping them alive and making them watch their parents have sex seems like a way better punishment. That is a fair law.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah. You got to deal with whatever your words were. Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's funny. Did any of y'all watch the sad ass NBA All Star game or.

[Akash Singh]

I didn't even. This is. I think the NBA is in trouble. I didn't even know it was All Star Weekend. I forgot. Completely forgot until I checked Twitter. It was apparently horrible.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, I tried to tune in Sunday. It was really.

[Akash Singh]

So what was the format? It was. My understanding is it was instead of two teams, east and west, it was four teams and then a tournament. One of the teams is rising stars and then the other ones, Chuck, Shaq and Kenny picked their own teams. And then they played.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, it was like the OG GS. So the older all stars, then the younger all stars, then the rising stars, and then there's like the Foreigner team. So they put like all the Djokovicians and all that type of on and then it was just first to 40 and then.

[Kiana]

And then they played the H1B visa team. That's fine.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why was the All Star Game exciting when we were younger?

[Akash Singh]

I don't know.

[Andrew Schulz]

And here's another question. Was it. Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

I remember watching in 2001, and I remember they. It was, like, kind of boring at first, and they said, these guys are gonna start trying in the fourth quarter. And it was awesome in the fourth quarter when they really started trying.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

And I. I don't remember them ever trying since then. Jordan and Kobe in like, 2003. Yeah, I remember that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

I don't think they were getting paid enough money. I mean, now you're getting paid so much money, you're like, I'm not gonna risk getting injured for nothing.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's a great point. It's an inconvenience. Yeah.

[Kiana]

Whereas back then, you're like, I'm playing for honor. Like, I'm Kobe. I'm gonna show everyone on Mamba. And so he, like, would go off.

[Mark Gagnon]

And they would really showboat for the first three quarters. And then the last one they're playing.

[Andrew Schulz]

And now it feels like they don't even care.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. It's like, no fans, just slow lobs. It's just, like, horrendous.

[Akash Singh]

It's like, I'm more excited for that than Super Bowl Sunday.

[Mark Gagnon]

And then.

[Akash Singh]

And now I'm like, I don't even. I don't even know.

[Mark Gagnon]

LeBron up the dunk contest. Because the year. The years that we wanted him in it, he's like, nah, it's too risky for my body. So then all superstars stopped doing the.

[Andrew Schulz]

Dunk contest, and now we got a white guy winning. Yeah.

[Kiana]

Mac McClunk's fire, though.

[Andrew Schulz]

No, he is fire. Shout out, Mac. But, like, that is a tricky thing. So. So the. The superstars stopped doing. Doing the dunk contest, so now we have less interest in that.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yep.

[Andrew Schulz]

The superstars aren't even playing their hardest, and some of them don't even play. LeBron tapped out.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Like an hour or two before.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah. Which Stephen A.

[Andrew Schulz]

Called out.

[Akash Singh]

And I love LeBron, but I agree with Stephen A. Here. It's like, you could have just not played and given someone else a spot. Why would you wait so long? Play or don't.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, but he wants that little byline.

[Andrew Schulz]

20 time all star.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

So how do they.

[Kiana]

Russell, what would you do? If you're advising, like Wemby or you're.

[Andrew Schulz]

Advising, don't play hard.

[Kiana]

Yeah, right.

[Mark Gagnon]

Like, exactly.

[Andrew Schulz]

I have a contract that is guaranteeing you $350 million. I don't want you playing in A, I don't let you play back to backs. You're not allowed to go skiing. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Kiana]

Like, I'm not going to let you play basketball hard. Like, nothing. It's crazy.

[Andrew Schulz]

No benefit to my team at all. Yeah, they're in a tricky situation. I mean, you saw it happen with the NFL All Star Game. That shit is flag football.

[Kiana]

I didn't know that they did that.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, the. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

I didn't know. Trash. Nobody watches.

[Akash Singh]

It actually would still get big ratings, which is really. Oh, that makes no sense. But still get pretty good. It would still get bigger ratings than every other sport.

[Andrew Schulz]

I thought it was such a problem that they had to move it to the week they did.

[Akash Singh]

The week between the Super Bowls and between the championship. And super bowl ratings weren't great relative to NFL games, but it was still shockingly high.

[Andrew Schulz]

Really?

[Akash Singh]

Relative to other sporting.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, fair enough.

[Kiana]

I like the celebrity game.

[Akash Singh]

It was embarrassing.

[Kiana]

Celebrity game more than anything is. I'm like, oh, I got to see Kevin. Hard play.

[Akash Singh]

Because you're trying.

[Kiana]

Yeah, like, they're trying. They have a little ego about it. And you get to see people play that you would never imagine playing.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, that.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's that, like, they tried to change it by making it, like, first to an X amount of points, because then there's a cap and people start to play defense to be like, well, you're not going to get closer than me. To the. They were attempting to make the game more competitive. All right, I got you.

[Mark Gagnon]

Which it was. I know how to.

[Andrew Schulz]

I think I could save this for one year. I could save it. I don't know if. If it goes past one year. But what do NBA vets, what do, like, retired NBA players always say, oh, back in my day with the hand checking rules, whatever. I would have scored 30 if it was like this. Or I would have done whatever. You. You make the game the current All Stars versus retired All Stars. Okay. And you give the retired All Stars some sort of, like, cushion some sort of lead, whatever, and now you're playing for pride. Now, all those guys that were talking all that on ESPN all year, how they would lock up Steph or what they would do to this person, what they would do that. Maybe you even switch it to, like, the old rules where hand checking is allowed or, like, you allow them to play the defense of their time. I don't know. You need to create rivalry that we want to see. Yeah, I want to see Kendrick Perkins talking all that about fucking Wemby and Then have to guard him.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, problem is they're all so out of shit. Not all. So many of them get so.

[Andrew Schulz]

But they knew if they knew. All you got to do is come up for one game.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

You know, you just need something else. Like make them golf.

[Kiana]

Like what if you had like Jordan versus Steph, like golf tournament.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Yeah. So basically don't. Don't do the sport.

[Kiana]

You guys are gonna get injured on. Like you can play golf. No one's really gonna get hurt. But I'm gonna see two people go at it.

[Andrew Schulz]

I mean, that would work. People would tap in.

[Akash Singh]

And I remember they played horse one time. They've been trying.

[Andrew Schulz]

What if you did like G league stuff and if you win, you get in the league or something Contract. I think. I think the only problem with that is that you don't have the stars and the stars are what make it, you know, like that's fair. Yeah. Just how do you do it? Or do you just. Do you just write it off? Do you do no game and just do challenges and dunk contest?

[Mark Gagnon]

They should just it. If no. If no superstars want to do it. Open it up to everybody on the Internet because there's some crazy. Like that would be like I IG dunkers. That would be nuts.

[Andrew Schulz]

They just don't.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And just do that. Just.

[Andrew Schulz]

That is the problem. The non NBA dunkers are better than the NBA jokers.

[Mark Gagnon]

So we're watching open that up to the best.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah, we're watching it. We're supposed to be watching the best of the best this weekend and we're watching worse dunkers in the dunk contest.

[Akash Singh]

And I would say, well, we don't know who they are. I don't know any of the dunkers really. They're all rookies or second year guys. I haven't heard them. I've heard their name, but I don't know about them.

[Mark Gagnon]

And who's that guy who does like all the crazy tricks shots online?

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo. Oh, God.

[Akash Singh]

Lethal shooter.

[Andrew Schulz]

Lethal shooter.

[Mark Gagnon]

Shout out.

[Akash Singh]

I'm such a fan of his.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yo. Mix it up. Put it for the. For the non like game games.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

Put people who are not NBA players up against NBA players. But they got to be nice.

[Akash Singh]

Three point shooting contest.

[Kiana]

Stephen.

[Akash Singh]

Lethal shooter. Get out. That's crazy. I got to see that. I figured it out now.

[Andrew Schulz]

I figured it out. I figured it out. No, that's fire.

[Kiana]

I think you him a ten day. Like if. If he beat Steph, you get a.

[Akash Singh]

10 day know if he needs that.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's fine, bro. You beat all the NBA guys at the three point con and you only need one guy to make it into the finals. Yeah. And now you got the NBA players actually giving an effort because they want to prove they're the best. You got to tap into their competitive instinct a little bit.

[Akash Singh]

Steph not letting some guy not in the league beat him.

[Mark Gagnon]

Exactly.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Oh. And if they do the talk that you get for the whole year and then the next year the NBA is like, all right, no, we're going to get this. We're going to get, we're going to get it back. We're going to prove what it is.

[Kiana]

I was interested when Steph shot against the, the girl, I've heard her name, Sabrina Inscu. Like that. That piqued my interest because. Oh yeah, I wonder how that would actually go.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And then with NFL, I think the Pro bowl, you should put it the week before the season starts. Get like all the best players to start the season off. Like, get like, just create the excitement for the new NFL season. Because they put it after, after the super bowl and the, after the super.

[Andrew Schulz]

Bowl, it's like, we're done.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. It's like to get in shape, get.

[Akash Singh]

Their bodies primed, whatever for contact.

[Andrew Schulz]

The NFL is just so tricky because these get injured every single game. Yeah. There was like, it was a running.

[Akash Singh]

Back back in the day. They were doing like a, not even the Pro bowl game. Kind of forget his name. Robert something. He played for the Patriots. He was good. Hadn't gotten his big contract yet, but he doing a beach football thing before the Pro Bowl. Tore up his knee. Never really played again. Was never the same. I forget his name, but exactly the point. He just became a cautionary tale. I think a lot of players were like, I ain't doing that. No.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah. Did you see Chris, Paul and Wemby sort of cheated on the first thing. Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

The skills challenge.

[Andrew Schulz]

Skills challenge. What was the idea that, like, if you do it under a certain time, it's more beneficial. Yeah. But you got more points by being faster. And they were like, fine, we'll throw the balls to the left and the right. You don't have to take shots.

[Akash Singh]

They just missed all the shots.

[Andrew Schulz]

Yeah.

[Kiana]

Wendy's high iq, bro.

[Andrew Schulz]

Chris False. Oh, really? Yeah.

[Kiana]

I, I, I don't know. I'm not familiar with this game.

[Akash Singh]

He's just a little scrappy, kind of shitty. Do whatever it takes to win guy.

[Kiana]

Fire.

[Akash Singh]

Which is great.

[Mark Gagnon]

Smart dude, though.

[Akash Singh]

I love you.

[Andrew Schulz]

What are we betting on now, man?

[Kiana]

Medieval martial Arts.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, have you been watching this?

[Akash Singh]

The end. Well, the real NBA season starts now.

[Andrew Schulz]

That's true now. Now the NBA games.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Can you bet on hockey fights?

[Akash Singh]

Because apparently.

[Kiana]

Yeah.

[Akash Singh]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

That. That. US versus Canada.

[Akash Singh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Schulz]

That was fire.

[Akash Singh]

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[Andrew Schulz]

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[Kiana]

But what if we bet on this.

[Andrew Schulz]

Though not as far.

[Kiana]

This is fire.

[Andrew Schulz]

Why is this.

[Kiana]

Miles put me onto this and it's crazy to me.

[Mark Gagnon]

This looks so stupid.

[Akash Singh]

This is.

[Kiana]

So they actually fight. So it's basically mma, but they also have swords and shields.

[Andrew Schulz]

Oh, Jesus.

[Mark Gagnon]

Stupid.

[Akash Singh]

Who cares?

[Andrew Schulz]

N. That's far.

[Kiana]

What do you mean? This is crazy.

[Mark Gagnon]

Have you ever seen a guy in a shield? It doesn't hurt.

[Andrew Schulz]

Boom.

[Kiana]

I mean, crazy. I like the. Where they are.

[Andrew Schulz]

Al says this doesn't hurt. Al fell skiing this weekend and it's like decrepit.

[Akash Singh]

Oh, yeah, I didn't have. What's going on?

[Andrew Schulz]

Iron.

[Mark Gagnon]

You fell?

[Andrew Schulz]

Snow.

[Akash Singh]

Now that guy might be.

[Kiana]

Yeah, he died.

[Mark Gagnon]

Hard snow.

[Andrew Schulz]

Wait a minute. Ow.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, it's hard to know.

[Kiana]

It's ice.

[Mark Gagnon]

It's very ice. Bad slopes. No, I'm fucking in paint. Everything's burning right now.

[Andrew Schulz]

All right, we got to go to patreon immediately. Yes. Listen, you all come fuck with us over at patreon. Com flagrant. We will see you over there in a second. Thank you all for tuning in peace.