In this episode BZE and BZW talk about perfectionism through their own habits and experiences, from the pressure to make the “right” choice to the way rigid standards can show up in everyday life. They discuss BZE's book *A Perfectionist’s Guide to Not Being Perfect*, written for middle and high school readers, and how it was shaped by her writing routine and the disruptions of early 2020.

They explore how perfectionism can lead to inflexibility, repeated checking, procrastination, and avoidance in school, work, and relationships. They also discuss treatment approaches that focus on flexibility, including exposure exercises, small acts of spontaneity, and learning to tolerate mistakes.

The two then look at perfectionism in students and families, including test anxiety, social media, college decisions, and parental pressure. They close by emphasizing practical ways to respond to perfectionism, such as time limits for avoided tasks and reducing harsh self-criticism, with flexibility presented as more helpful than perfection.

HIGHLIGHTS:

3:06 Eye Exam Epiphany

5:33 Writing Through Perfectionism

8:43 Flexibility Over Control

12:03 When Perfection Hurts

13:21 Building Flexible Habits

16:26 Social Media Pressure

19:01 Success Beyond Grades

23:27 Parenting Through Mistakes

27:41 College Choices Matter Less

30:05 Break the Avoidance Cycle

mentioned in the episode:

A Perfectionist's Guide to Not Being Perfect by Bonnie (East): https://a.co/d/0ajFPyrp

The Obstacle is the Way book: https://a.co/d/01abU2GT

CONNECT WITH THE BONNIE ZUCKERS:

Bonnie Zucker Ph.D.(west)

website: https://www.bonniezuckerphd.com

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Books by Bonnie West: https://a.co/d/04aNJFDZ

Bonnie Zucker Psy.D. (east)

website: https://www.bonniezuckerandassociates.com

Books by Bonnie East: https://shorturl.at/MxvRZ

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