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556. Don Lemon Invading A Church & Freedom of Speech
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Join us for the newest episode of Apologia Radio in which we talk about the recent invasion of a church worship service in Minnesota. We play through the footage and engage with some of the ridiculous commentary of Don Lemon.
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I would say if the authorities didn't.
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Want us involved in the public square.
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They ought not to have crucified Jesus.
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In the public square.
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Use humanistic principles. Same idea, same end, I would say. What's the problem with stardust bumping into stardust in the cosmic picture? No, there's no problem in the cosmic picture. It won't matter.
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No, Mr. President, you are not protecting reproductive freedom. You are authorizing the destruction of freedom for one million little human beings every year.
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Sin, not s celebrating it.
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You're going to love it.
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Cursed be anyone who moves his neighbor's landmark. And all the people shall say Amen. Deuteronomy 27:17. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode episode of Apologia Radio. This is the gospel heard around the world. I'm Jeff the Common Ninja. That's Luke the Bear right there. Welcome back, everybody. To so grateful for you to join us for this episode. If you would do all the things that YouTube and everything likes do, the likes do the shares and all that stuff. Let everyone know what's going on. And if you would run over to apologia studios.com when we're done here. Apologia studios.com you can get all the past episodes of Apologia Radio Shiologians Cultish and Provoke. They're all there for your listening enjoyment. Well over a decade of ministry there. We believe there's tons of stuff that's going to encourage you and bless you. Also sign up for All Access. When you do you partner with us in this ministry. You are doing this ministry with us. So everything you see coming from Apologia, whether it's the teaching ministry, the debates, the on the street evangelism, whatever you see, it is happening because someone just like you is a part of this ministry with us doing this ministry. All Access also gets you all kinds of additional content to bless you. The after show Apologia Academy, full episodes of Collision, Ask Me Anything. Everything's there for you guys and so thank you, thank you, thank you for doing this ministry with us. Just got back from Georgia Tuesday night. It's but it's such a blessing. Just an encouraging word for everybody what God is doing across the country right now. Bills of abolition happening across the country. Our bill in Georgia is happening. Emory Donahue is doing a fantastic job out there. We have a significant number of the pro life Republicans in the state of Georgia House of Representatives on our bill as co sponsors right now at 25% above. Even above 25% of the house of Representatives are on our bill of abolition and equal protection in the state of Georgia. So thankful for the pastors out there. Thank you gentlemen. So thankful for all the leaders in in Georgia, all the organizations that are part of this movement with us. God bless you and thank you to all the Christians who've been praying for us and who have been giving financially to make it all possible atendabortion now.com so it's been a wild couple of months. Goodness gracious. So much we can talk about. But of course we wanted to spend time today talk about a few things. One, we wanted to start the show today talking about what happened in Minnesota with Don Lemon and the protesters invading a church's worship service. We're going to talk about that relation to freedom of speech and biblical principles surrounding freedom of speech and property rights and those sorts of things. We also have our brothers from Dominion wealth on standby ready to Talk to everybody about, as a Christian, focusing on the future, building wealth, and for your family, for your grandchildren, and for the kingdom of God. So they're going to be able to talk about that. We also have Zach and D and Caleb on with us. They're going to talk about what's happening right now in the state of Iowa. So if you guys are in or around in or around Iowa, you guys can participate in what's going on there and abolition in the state of Iowa. So let's get right to it. So I'm sure you've seen what happened with Jonathan Parnell, pastor in Minnesota, and Don Lemon and the protesters. It's all over the news, and we're going to engage with that. So I want to just go ahead and just start this whole thing by getting into some of the video footage here. This is before the protest itself, talking Don Lemon talking to the protesters about this clandestine operation these protesters were going to engage in. So here is Don Lemon.
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This is an operation that is secret.
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That they invited folks out.
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This is Operation Pull up, more of a clandestine operation. We show up somewhere. They don't expect us to come there.
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And then we disrupt business as usual.
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So right now, it's kind of mayhem. We're not part of the activists, but we're here just reporting on them. Did they explain to you why they're here? They did not. They said that there is someone here, Easterwood, someone who is a member of ICE and he's a pastor of the church. Our church had gathered for worship, which we do every Sunday. We asked them to leave, and they obviously have not left. This is what the First Amendment is about, about the freedom to protest. There's a varying array of views in.
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This church on politics, of immigration.
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Recognize the complexity of the issue.
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This shows you just how divided America is when you look at the protesters here and then you look at the people there who are praying. And you know, what was the interesting thing? If these two groups could just get together, they might figure out what to do.
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I don't necessarily agree with everything that's going on in the twin circ, but.
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I don't think it's good to fight fire with fire.
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I think it's good to speak up.
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I think it's good to protest, but.
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I think it's better to do it in a peaceful way.
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Yeah, that was interesting to watch this.
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Guy here, look, hugging his kid.
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And, you know, I imagine it's uncomfortable.
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And traumatic for the people here.
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They think you lost, and this didn't accomplish anything. And you went into their house, the.
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House of the Lord.
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The reality is the house of the.
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Lord is a place where love lives. It's not a place where you can have a pastor masquerading as the director for the field office of ICE in St. Paul. Well, I like. I like how they call it Operation Pull Up. Operation Pull Up. That's what they called it.
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That guy really puts Lemon and Don Lemon.
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I even wears his.
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On his hat. He just. In case you're wondering who he is, he's Lemon. Yeah, he's letting you know. Big and bold.
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Yeah, he likes himself. Himself. Oh, my God. So, you know, obviously, this is just wild that people can. Can be this dull in their thinking. So when Don Lemon, as. As a. As a, quote, journalist, goes into a church worship service in the middle of service with protesters who disrupt the service on private property, he says, this is what the First Amendment is all about.
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Yeah. He's about to learn what the Second Amendment is.
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Yeah, this is what the First Amendment is all about. I would say, you know, I don't think you'd be talking like that if these protesters busted. You know, busted through your house and started chanting and protesting, and it's like, well, it's just freedom of speech, Don, baby. I mean, I. I wonder if he really is this dull and stupid or if he's just pretending to be. That's. That's really the question, because you would not have this perspective of this is what the First Amendment's all about. This is what free speech is all about. If somebody was doing it on your private property, inside of your business, or inside of your home. The freedom of speech does not give people the right to invade other people's property and start screaming and chanting and things like. So it's just. Like I said, it's either he really is that dull and stupid, or he's. He's only pretending to be for likes and views.
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And someone in the chat said they wouldn't do that in a mosque.
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True that. That's. Yeah, exactly. That's interesting. Right? Go try that. I'm sure it'll work out real well for you. Here's another clip. This is more extended conversation with. With Pastor Jonathan and Don Lemon.
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What do you think of this? I mean, this is unacceptable. It's shameful. It's shameful to. To interrupt a public gathering of Christians in wor. But there were folks who will say, I have to take care of my flock. Listen, we live in a. There's a constitution in the First Amendment to freedom of Speech and freedom to assemble and protest. We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus because that's the hope of these cities, that's the hope of the world, is Jesus Christ. I'm gonna be very respectful. Please don't push me, though. We're here. We're here to worship Jesus.
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Wait, what? What? He's really this dull and stupid, or he's pretending to be. You're on private property. This is not government property. This is not public. This is not public property. Right. So there are certain things that are true out there that are not true inside of private property. By private property is by invitation. At any point, if the leaders and owners and managers of that property don't want you on the property, then according to biblical standards and thankfully, the laws of these United States of America, they can tell you to leave, and you have to leave. And also, when you're inside someone's private property, you're not invited. They are allowed to put their hands on you to get you out of their property. And so just the arrogance there is to come into his church, disrupt the worship service, and say, please don't. Please, please don't push me. No, no, actually, I have the right to push you all the way outside the door. And so it's just. It's. Again, are you really this dull and stupid, or are you just pretending? Don Lemon.
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Yeah, he. I mean, if this happened at our church, he may or may not end up in a chicken wing or some kind of lock for sure.
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Wrist lock, arm, and about 30 seconds.
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And you'd be escorted out.
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Chicken wing.
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Yeah.
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I think he'd be asked very politely at first, let's go ahead and leave. And if you refuse, then you would. You would certainly get a chicken wing.
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Yeah.
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And you'd be on your way out the door and maybe even had. Had the door open with your head.
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Politely.
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That's a. Politely open with your head. So, yeah, it's. It's fascinating to me that. That. That there are people that actually are. Are so blind to. To the facts that they actually do this. And when you think about the verse that I read at the beginning of the show today, it's a critical one. And there's so much in scripture. We could just do this, a whole episode on property rights and, you know, people's ownership of their own things and boundary markers. I mean, that's in the law of God. You know, you have a neighbor's boundary marker. Don't attempt to move it. It's their property. That's Their thing. It's all really based upon, in essence, you know, the, the Ten Commandments have ways that you express those commandments in all different categories. But it's based upon the commandment of you should not steal. You should not steal has as the assumption underneath it that there is such a thing as private property, that what belongs to you is yours and not mine. It really is yours. It's God's gift to you. It doesn't belong to me. And it, it's. It's. It's even amplified in the commandments against covetousness. So you have. You should not steal. And in that is the assumption there, that there is such a thing. Private property. This belongs to me and not to you. I don't have to even share this with you. This is my stuff. What I do give away is by grace and as a gift. But this is my stuff as my. Socialism is stupid because socialism is all about theft. But then covetousness comes in there as well, because covetousness is that you are not even to desire to take your. Your neighbor stuff. I don't. You're not allowed to want their things that belong to them. You can emulate people. You can see people as man. That person is super successful. I desire to be successful like them. I want to. I want to do the world life like them. That's not coveting. That's people being a model, a role model, something like that. But covetousness is, is what. Well, is which plagues our society today. Covetousness is people saying, no, I want your things. I mean, that's what socialism is about. That's what Marxism is about, is that person has all the stuff and I actually want their stuff. Who was that legislator recently from Texas? The guy from Austin, I forget his name where he says, we're going to, you know, we're going to tax these trillionaires out of existence. And people applaud that. Right, because that's the, that's the zeitgeist. The spirit of the age is. Is just that is like, they have a lot of stuff. They have some nice stuff. They have a lot of money. I should have their money. Their money should be mine. And so that's covetousness on. On stilts, but. And so. So biblically speaking, when you talk about a scenario like this, it's private property. You don't belong there. It belongs to me, not to you. Here's the boundary marker. You have to get off of it. Now. You can go on the street and do all this. We have protesters that come to apologia. I mean, we had it over the many years schooled by our children. So yeah, our, you know, our church goes out to them, to witness to them and to engage with them in their arguments. And it's always such an inspiration and blessing to see that. But they have to stay on, on public sidewalk. We don't tell them, you're not allowed to be here in front of our church doing this because actually they are allowed to go in front of our church and do that. We don't say that to them. We just actually engage with them politely with love, offer them bottles of water and all that stuff. But they have to stay there because there's boundary markers in private property. And so in this case, this is not an exercise of the First Amendment. This is an exercise in foolishness. This is an exercise in being a scoffer, an unteachable person. You won't leave. You're going to stay there and you're going to hang out and dis disrupt the worship of Jesus Christ. They had every right to remove these people and to remove them aggressively if necessary if they wouldn't leave. But obviously, you know, the church should expect things like this. No one's saying that, you know, in a fallen world, we're not going to expect, you know, unbelievers and sinners to do these sorts of disruptive things. But we're supposed to be able to identify with the principal, principally wrong thing is, and what's wrong here is the invasion of private property. You do have the freedom of speech. We are huge supporters of freedom of speech. Let's make, let's put that down for the record. Freedom of speech is, is something that the Christian church creates within every society that the gospel transforms. The freedom of speech. You, here's the thing. You need freedom of speech. Christians need it to be able to promote, promulgate, teach, defend, proclaim the truth. And so the Christian church has always worked to make sure that that right before God to open my mouth for the destitute and the poor is always defended. I have the right to preach the truth, to proclaim the truth. We need that. Freedom of speech is vitally important. But freedom of speech does not mean that you get to violate other standards and laws as you do it. So for example, in this case, this is not an expression of a Christian form of freedom of speech, because Christian form of freedom of speech still recognize that there's a network of laws around freedom of speech, like private property. So for example, like the Right to bear arms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Exactly. So, like, freedom of speech in a biblical worldview is a necessity. We want that. We promote that. We teach that. We build that into our laws. We need freedom of speech. But freedom of speech is also, at the same time, surrounded by other laws and rules and standards of justice. So, for example, I say, as a Christian minister of the gospel, Luke says, as a minister of the gospel, that freedom of speech is a virtuous thing. It's a beautiful thing. It's a good thing. We need freedom of speech. But what Luke and I don't mean by that is that you get to open my front door uninvited, walk in, and start insulting my wife. Right. Okay. You can assault my wife all you want. You know, you can do that. I mean, it's. It's between you and God. Ultimately. You're gonna, you know, receive justice for that, and God's gonna. God's gonna address that with you on. On the last day, at the very least. But, you know, that's. That's something, of course, you can do. You can say it on the Internet. You can say it in. In. In message boards. You can say it out loud. You can record yourself and do live streams talking terribly about me and my wife or whatever the case may be, or Luke and his family or whoever. You can do all that, although there.
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Will be repercussions if it's slander or libel.
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That's the next one. Give me that. Yeah, so that's. That's the next point. So. So. But you can't. You can't do that. Freedom of speech. In. In. In violation of this other law where you're now actually breaking into my home to exercise your freedom of speech. Like everybody would realize how asinine this is, is if this was in some. If this is in Pastor Jonathan's home, where. If the protesters and Don Lemon crashed his living room and started shouting and screaming, and then Don said, well, this is just a beautiful exercise of the First Amendment. It's like, no, you're. You're forgetting so much. You can't truly be this dull and stupid, can you? You must be pretending, because what you just did here is you violated yet another law. You violate this law to ex. To exercise this right now. That's not how it works. And so that's. That's the. The problem here is. Is this defiance of personal ownership of property. And that's what's. What's being neglected in Don Lemon's own thinking is.
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Well, he does work for The Communist News Network.
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So, yeah, he did. He did.
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Oh, he did.
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He did. He's off on his own.
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You know, they're all about not having your own stuff.
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Right? That's exactly right. That's beautiful, Luke. This is an expression of your stuff isn't necessarily your stuff. Your boundary markers don't necessarily matter. And so that just won't work from a biblical worldview. A biblical worldview doesn't just have principles just suspended in midair on nothing. And nothing's. Everything's divorced from one another. All of this, all these righteous laws and standards are a network. They're all connected. And you have to be able to think in categories. So freedom of speech. Yes, please give me more. Right, but freedom of speech, not to the extent where you violate other standards from God's law, like property rights or freedom of speech, does not mean that it is freedom from the consequences of slander or false speech. And so. So, for example, people, well, let's do it this way, best way, freedom of speech. Okay, great. Amen. Yes, but in God's law, it also says something about a false witness. And it says that if somebody comes as a witness to testify against somebody else, they're saying things in accusation against this person, that the judges are supposed to come together, inquire, diligently, do cross examination. God's word says, and actually justice is, is that whatever the false witness would have done to the accused in terms of how they would have been punished, the false witness is going to get that punishment. And so God's standards amplify the beauty and the power and the glory of freedom of speech and speaking the truth and speaking boldly. That's what the prophets are all about. The prophets are all about that, right? Saying from God what the people of God don't want to hear and saying in the times in very harsh ways, cutting them and calling them to repent. You need that. And so the Christian worldview brings that. But at the same time, the law of God also has other laws and other standards where, like I said, with the false witness in court, well, the person. Would that person be able to say in court, I was just exercising my freedom of speech? No, there's limitations because you can say what you want, but it doesn't mean you're going to be shielded from the consequences of what you've said. And so if you're making a false allegation of, say, theft or murder or whatever the crime is against somebody, you can't, according to God's law, simply say, oh, freedom of Speech, That's a Christian virtue. That's what we. That we need that in this world. No, because God has judicial standards. He has righteousness and just law. And you can't make a false accusation in court against somebody without punishment. And so there are limitations, we should say, in terms of the network of laws surrounding freedom of speech. And so just a little bit more here with. With Lemon in this conversation.
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Jesus.
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Yeah, that's why we're here. Okay? That's why we're here. That's what we're about. Don't you think Jesus would be understanding? And we're about love, these folks. We're about spreading the love of Jesus. But did you try to talk to them as a. No one is willing to talk. Okay. I have to take care of my church and my family, so I asked. This actually would also leave this building. You don't want us to chronicle unless you're here to worship.
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I'm always worship.
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I'm a Christian. We're here. Well, we're here to worship. We're here to worship. Okay. Thank you very much.
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I appreciate it. I think everyone can see the lack of genuineness there on the tail end of that conversation there. But the pastor did ask him to leave. Gabe, do you know, did Don Lemon stick around for long after that? Did the protesters stick around for long after that? All right, so this is the exercise of freedom of speech according to Don Lemon. These people come in and crash this worship service. And here's what it looked like. Forgive me, everybody. Gabe notified me that he can't remember if there was a lot of profanity or language in this one. But just be aware of that. Be ready to turn down the volume if you have small kids around or whatever you need to do. Here is the exercise of freedom of speech according to Don Lemon, or apparently a righteous exercise of it.
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Renee, good. Renee, good. Good. Renee, good. Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Where are your people? Why are you not at Wibble every day fighting for the humanity, standing for our people? Where are you? You drink your coffee, you got your jewelry, you have your nice clothes, but what do you do?
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What.
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What do you do to stand up for your Somali and Latino communities? You have no comment. Exactly. Renee, good. Renee, good. We have a duty to win. We have a duty to win. All these comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're living real life, nice lives with your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters.
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You.
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You come here To a man wearing a suit is a preacher. Did Jesus wear a suit? Did Jesus profit off the words?
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No.
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Jesus would die within and see what happens. You are a fake Christian. Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities? Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity? Where are you? You're sinners. You're pretending to be Christians, but we know you live an easy life, don't you? A very easy life while people are starving. Save. Out now. Out now. Living real comfortable while the people starve. Living real comfortable while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're all living real comfortable, aren't you? Shame on you. Do something. Stand with the Somalis. Stand with the Latinos. Quit ignoring this injustice. He wears a suit and tie and he hangs out with Kristi Gnomes. How is that a Christian? You're supposed to accept all immigrants, are you not? Why are you not going down the Whipple and joining us in protest against this inhumanity? You claim to be a Christian. Act like one.
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That guy would. Would have got dropped real fast at our church.
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I'm watching some of this thinking this wouldn't have lasted as long.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what they did, but someone asked how we would have handled it. Well, one, I don't. It would have been hard for all that amount of people to get in there like that.
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They wouldn't. They wouldn't have made it in like that.
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We have a trained security team. But two, if they did, they would have been asked to leave. And if they didn't, they would comply very quickly.
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Yeah, they would have been.
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And I mean, even, like, the filming of that is against the law to come into a private building and film like that. Yeah, because we've had that. We've had people come that wanted to interview us for things, and we said, you're welcome to come in, but you're not allowed to film anything because you don't have all these people's permission to be publishing anything.
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Right.
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You know, so even that video. Even those videos that they filmed inside the church, which is illegal.
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Right. He says, yeah, there's a difference between what you can film in public and what you can do on private property, for sure. And so. So, yeah, I mean, there you go. There's. There's the expression of the First Amendment according to Don Lemon. And it's just such a contradictory thing. And I will say the guy's video of himself as he's talking to these people, and he has to identify the fact that they're white. He. He's white himself. And we talked about them eating well and everything, living lavish lives. He looks like he's been eating well, and he's. He's healthy. And so it's just. It's such hypocrisy. But that's what we're dealing with. And, you know, this is just the expression of a world that has turned away from God and God's law and God's standards. Christians are supposed to be able to hang all these things together in their minds in terms of, like, I have this right, but I don't have this right. I can do this, but I can't do that. I had to love my neighbor as I love myself. So even, you know, like, this is tough for us when it comes to, say, our ministry outside of the abortion mills. There's a tension. There's a tension there where, you know, they're going in there to murder their children. But we recognize that there are also laws, and we'd like to continue to do this mission and not violate other laws that put us in jail. So we can't continue to do this mission. So what we say to our team always is stay on public property at all times. Don't cross the boundary. Don't step across the boundary, because that right to private property is. Is a real thing that God honors and wants us to honor and protect. And so what we try to do is to do our very best wherever, whatever the circumstance is. And at times, we have to yell out pretty far away to these mothers and fathers going in because they're on private property and we're not invited there. We're on public property at all times, and God has still blessed that. And tens of thousands of babies have been saved as a result of the work of all these local churches around the world. Going to abortion mills just through and the work of an abortion now. But we've always stressed to the people that we're equipping and training to do this work, work that. Yet you've got a tension here. There's a conflict of things happening in a sinful world. Yes, they're murdering babies, and God calls us to hold them back from the slaughter. But we also have to do it in the context of the law itself that recognizes private property. And we're in the context right now where it's legal to practice these things and do these things in the abortion clinics. And so what we say is, we got to balance this so we can continue to stay on the mission field. Don't violate the law. Law right now, do it in this way so you stay within the boundaries of the law and save these lives and still preach the gospel. And so there's a tension, but it's a tension that we recognize as Christians. We have to try to honor and obey because private property is a thing, because you should not steal, because that principle is there, and we have to uphold that at all times. And so it's important. Yeah. And so, well, let's. Should be easy enough for everyone to recognize. Whose temple was it?
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It.
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Yeah, his.
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That should be obvious. Whose temple was that? He was actually the property owner. And. And so I think that should be. Should be easy enough to address. And in what Jesus did there is that actually it was his temple. And if you want confirmation of that, read Malachi, chapter three, where it says the Lord will come. Suddenly the Lord will come to his temple. After the Forerunner, it says the Lord himself comes to his temple. And so that's addressed direct scripture. That temple belonged to Jesus and he's Yahweh, and so that belongs to him. And so, yeah, there you go. Hopefully that answers that. Answers that. Well, I'll do one more clip here. And this is the Attorney General and Gabe, if you would. I'm going to bring you in here too, after this to have some discussion of what you were saying. Some of your insights are really good. Here's the Attorney General talking to Huli and Don Lemon.
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The protest is fundamental to American society. This country started in a protest. And, you know, it's freedom of expression. People have a right to lift up their voices and make their peace. And none of us are immune from the voice of the. Of the public. So I quite honestly, I think that you got the First Amendment, freedom of religion and the freedom of First Amendment freedom of expression. And I think that, you know, it's just. I think it's just something gotta live with in a sense.
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B
So here we have an example of a lawyer, an attorney, the attorney general, who doesn't seem to know the law itself. First Amendment freedom of speech is the.
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G
History of our nation.
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B
It's not unfettered. It's not unfettered without chains, for example, like I said, nobody has the right to bust into this man's home and exercise their freedom of speech and First Amendment rights by insulting him and his wife and chanting and all that and not leaving his house. There's the. There's the First Amendment, there's freedom of speech, and there's also private property rights. There's also laws against trespassing we all recognize that we have to honor that because fundamentally, you shall not steal, you shall not move the your neighbor's boundary marker. Those are laws from God. He knows it. But this is just a politically expedient thing. And yeah, it's just a mess. What an embarrassment that we, we think this way today. So we're gonna do a quick commercial break here, guys. Stay with us. Commercial break. Come back with the guys from Dominion Wealth. Important conversation that actually it's right right up the alley of this. And it's about private property, what belongs us and building for our future and those sorts of things. Stay with us. Don't do forget to do all the things that YouTube likes, the likes and the shares and all that stuff and make sure that everyone gets this content and YouTube also points to it. And so we'll be right back right after this short break. This episode's brought to you by ion layer@ionlayer.com Go and check out the health benefits, the wellness benefits and longevity benefits of NAD treatments. NAD is nicknamed the Fountain of Youth for a reason. You have an abundance of this in your system when you're young. As you get older, it drops off. And now we found a way to get NAD into our systems. They do it through IV treatments, but they're very expensive and it's also extremely painful and difficult. However, Ion Layer found a way to get a high dose of NAD into your system through a medical patch you wear on your arm. You wear it for about 14 hours. You get a high dose of NAD treatment into your system and no pain at all. And it is a fraction of the cost of what you would pay through for an IV treatment. In the coupon code, type in Apologia in all caps. They're going to hook you up with a great discount for an already amazingly cost effective product. And they bless Apologia Studios and help us to stay on the air and do all these programs with you. Don't forget. Also, Ion Layer has added a glutathione patch as well. Well, glutathione, the master antioxidant. Go check out the health benefits of glutathione. I'm doing this stuff anyways. It's blessed my life in tremendous ways. And so if you want to focus on your health, wellness and longevity, nothing better in my mind than ionlayer.com for your NAD and Glutathione treatments. Ionlayer.com don't forget to put Apologia in all caps in the coupon code. Welcome back everybody. So Gabe, what can you tell Us One of the questions was, was Don Lemon arrested? And I know some people were. And so tell us what you know about that. Yeah, I pulled this up. Gabe got this for us. It's Chrissy Gnomes X account says Homeland Security investigators and FBI agents arrested Nakima Levy Armstrong, who played a key role in orchestrating the church riots in St. Paul, Minnesota. She's being charged with a Federal Crime under 18 USC 241. Religious freedom is the bedrock of the United States. There is no first Amendment right to obstruct someone from practicing their religion. And so, yeah, that's from, from Chrissy Nome. What you were saying something else too, before the show, Gabe, about the, the face act.
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G
That's what I was wondering.
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B
Yeah. And yeah, you have obviously a lot of knowledge about that through when what your dad went through. And so tell everyone about that. What's going on with that.
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G
Yeah.
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B
Interesting. Interesting. Thank you for that, Gabe. All right, guys, so we're going to talk now. Take a, take a turn here and talk about what's going on with Dominion Wealth. You guys have heard us playing their, their ads in our, in our shows. You've heard us talking about them. And so we have on the show today, Josiah and Justin from Dominion Wealth. Welcome brother brothers.
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A
Yeah, thanks for having us.
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B
Absolutely. Thank you guys so, so much. Thanks for hanging online for us. And so I guess by way of introduction to tell everyone, we're getting into some, some of the important conversation about the blessing that you can provide for brothers and sisters who are thinking about these things. But first, tell everyone about Dominion Wealth. What is it? What do you guys do.
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D
For me?
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B
All right.
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D
Yeah, I'd be happy to. So Dominion wealth is, as far as we could tell, the only distinctly reformed financial consulting firm in the world. So Calvinistic covenantal conf. We help people with budgeting, debt management, savings, life insurance, retirement planning, legacy planning, kind of the whole nine yards. And through referrals, we could basically take care of everything that someone would need outside of like loans and mortgages. We're looking for a partner there potentially down the road. But that's like the only major money move that we don't fairly directly help with. So. And we do it all for free. We get paid via brokerage. So there's like no financial barrier to entry at all for getting access to our services. We'll help you plan for the future. I think we saved the average 1 of our clients like 600 bucks a month just by optimizing their budget, so not diminishing their quality. Of life just finding the money they didn't know they had and then we can actually help build. Since piety does not equal poverty, I think if it takes a couple of generations, which it might, then if we can leave something we could reasonably call an inheritance to our children's children, we'd love to at least be a part of that puzzle. Helping Christians on their respective paths toward building some multi generational wealth and then potentially deploying it down the road.
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B
Excellent. What else, guys?
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A
Yeah, well, ultimately what we wanted to build was something where Christians could have a greater impact on the culture. Obviously we want people to provide wealth for their families. And of course, Josiah brought up the multi generational aspect of. It's funny, I remember hearing like in dispensational circles growing up that the passages talking about like, well, your wealth should be for your children's children because like you shouldn't leave anything for yours because you know, then they'll, they'll want you to die. Well, if you raise children right, they won't feel that way. Yeah. So we, we're trying to counteract all of that. That's that nonsense we want. The point of that passage is there's enough to go around for multiple generations and it's not gone. And part of that is passing on well and making sure that families have a vision that they should have. But ultimately also meaning that all the things we're talking about here on the podcast today with, with the other guys that are going to be on it all requires money. And that doesn't come from that Money doesn't come from people that are impoverished. That comes from people that have means. And part of what we want Christians to be able to do to have a greater impact on the culture is to have the means to help pay for the things that need to happen. Whether that's. We're talking about abortion work or anti abortion work, of course, or other. Just it could be your local church, it could be missions work, it could be whatever it is that you're called to do. But these things aren't free. It takes resources and it takes the right people to do so. And we want Christians to be able to say, okay, there's a need, I feel called to this and be able to stroke that check. Right now, we're losing that game in the culture. A big reason why Christians don't have a bigger voice is because we don't have the money. I'd like to flip that. I'd like Christians to be the ones that hold the wealth because we're the best stewards of it and have the ability to, in a sense, fight fire with fire. Because if we're better funded, then we can sort of beat the. The world at its game right now. The funding for things like the protests we just saw and everything else like that, that there's big money behind what we see going on. Big money. And Christians have a fraction of that resource, and they're deploying an even smaller fraction of that. If we had the capability to deploy resources like what we see from degenerates, frankly, then that would be a whole different kind of story.
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G
Right?
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B
Very good. One of the things I've been preaching on brothers over the last couple of years is the book of Proverbs. And there's so much, much in that divine book of wisdom we call it. The study is wisdom from above. These are the words of God of how to live skillfully in his world. So much that is in the book of Proverbs is related to not being idle, not being lazy, being a hard worker, not being all talk and no labor. I mean, one of my favorite proverbs is in. In all toil, there is profit. In mere talk only poverty. So much condemnation against the sluggard. So much of what God says about, you know, look to the angels, ant, lazy person, you know, look at how the ant works, look how the ant prepares. Look how the ant is not overcome by obstacles. They, you know, that sort of thing. To study the ant and the work ethic of the ant, God says, just look at it. It doesn't quit. It keeps going. It will always overcome the obstacle. It repairs. And, you know, God's saying that. So my, my, the. The thing I've been stressing is that in the evangelical church today, just, I think in Christendom in general, is we've got this weird sort of perverse view of poverty where, like you said, brother, they're like, poverty equals piety, or the other way around, piety equals poverty. And that is just not biblical. I mean, poverty is unfortunately a consequence of a sinful, fallen world. But scripture never amplifies and glorifies poverty, right? It actually, specifically in the Proverbs, over and over and over again, God highlights the value of profit, and he actually talks about poverty in the negative. And when he does so, however, this is interesting. He does this in an interesting way. God does this repeatedly when he talks about poverty in the negative. He talks about it because of a lack of wisdom that put you there. So a bad work ethic, being a sluggard, being idle, loving your sleep right more than your work. And so God says, well, that leads to poverty. If you want the profit, then open your eyes, get up, get to work, toil, labor, because then there is profit. And so actually there's more condemnation of the issue of poverty because much of the time, not always much of the time, our descent into poverty, and you see this wildly applied today, is because of a lack of Christian virtue and work ethic and wisdom. You're poor because you won't get up. You're poor because you're idle. You're poor because you won't plan for the future. That's why that's your plight. And so repent of that, that follow God's wisdom. And God says, prophet, prophet. And then God and you, you highlight this verse, and I like to talk about this, you highlight the verse that is, I think, not very well known. And that's that a righteous man leaves an inheritance for his grandchildren. And that, that, that's a, that's a blessing, God's blessing that a righteous man leaves an inheritance for his grandchildren. And I've always said, as I've talked about this verse, brothers, and liked you guys to, to engage with this, this I've always said, of course, that principle there in the book of Proverbs has layers of application. Like, for example, you could be passing down an inheritance to your grandchildren, a spiritual inheritance, a love for the word of God, a love for righteousness. There's no doubt at all that that's true. But let's never forget that the, the proverb begins with. Before it gets to the layers. The proverb begins with, a righteous man leaves an inheritance for his grandchildren. And that has a specific biblical context. And it has to do with stuff. It has to do with wealth. So the first application of the proverb is money. Never forget that the next applications only come as you develop that principle and say, of course it's also spiritual. It's this kind of inheritance. No doubt whatsoever. However. But you can't just ignore the initial, the initial, initial principle and foundation and start talking about only the spiritual. Like, let's not ignore the fact that God is saying it's a righteous thing to have planned and worked and not been idle and have labored and risked and built stuff up so that your grandchildren are blessed by this and you give them an inheritance. Let's never forget that it's a good thing. Now if, last thing, I'll say this. If we're poor and it's through no fault of our own, and it's just part of this Thing we stepped into, we had no control over it. We're good workers, we're not idle. It's just, it's a providential hindrance. We are to be content in that poverty with God. Not grumble, not complain, glorify God, delight in God, even in the poverty. However, the poverty is not piety. Oh, that we all need to be poor for Jesus. That's just not biblical. You're not going to find that throughout the scriptures. And so brothers, I'd like you to speak to me that.
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Yeah, well, I mean, who wrote Proverbs? Solomon. And when God said, I'll give you anything you want, ask for it, he asked for wisdom. And as a result of his exceeding wisdom, he also had exceeding wealth, which blessed the whole nation of Israel such that if a gold coin was laying on the ground, it wasn't worth stooping over to pick it up. That's the result. That's the fruit of wisdom. So in his life it's clearly illustrated. But yeah, of course, like all the other things you leave behind, like not just stuff, but it. But that proverb leads with stuff. It should of course come with all of the wisdom that you can pass on to your children that is part of the inheritance you leave them. It also helps make sure that the wealth that you pass along is not a noose around their neck.
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G
Neck.
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A
Because if you do give a bunch of money to an 18 year old who has no clue how to manage money, it's probably more of a curse to them than anything else. So it's holistic, it's the whole package. You must provide as much as you can within your means and being faithful, something of material value. But what's more is also just the spiritual instruction and wisdom and how to handle these types of things. I just made a post on Facebook actually, I think yesterday it was along kind of. It's funny that we're doing this podcast today because it was along the lines of the pietistic false pietistic Christian who basically I've heard this so many times. I'm not going to leave anything to my kids because set aside anything for them, especially for their education or anything like that, because they're going to go learn from the school of hard knocks just like I did. Well, really, how well did that do for you? You and how much better might you have been if your father would have instructed you like he should and left something behind or striven to do? So it's not ideal for every Christian to have to start fresh with no wisdom whatsoever. No Spiritual benefit from what their father could have passed down to the lessons they learned. And with no Reeses whatsoever, the, the wisdom that, that you see in. And the great figures that we know of, like think of like Sproul and John macarthur. These guys were with us not long ago. They came from families with deep Christian heritage. Men like that are rarely produced in one generation. John MacArthur came from a family of how many pastors going back, I can't remember which generation he was. This is the result of multi generational Christian thinking. It doesn't come from, hey, I'm not going to pass anything to my kids. They got this, it'll be fine. Because that's what I had to go through. No, if you're that first generational Christian, then it especially pertains to you to pass on something because what you're basically saying is I'll just let God handle this in his sovereignty or whatever, which yeah, he can. But you are not a faithful steward if that's you. And where's the biblical support anywhere to pass on nothing. Where in the world does it come from to just let your kids move out on their own with absolutely nothing, no wisdom from you, none of the lessons that you've learned and no resources. Find me one verse that even alludes to biblical support for doing that yet. We can read in the Proverbs and elsewhere that, that the prime responsibility of parents is to equip their children for everything in this world that's spiritual, but it also includes whatever their physical needs may be. And on a practical note, with where we are economically, wages do not keep up with inflation. It is harder to make it for a young. I see young families getting married and trying to buy houses. I live in Washington State. It's very expensive here, here. And it's really, really hard to buy a house if you're 25 years old and you have a young family. Really hard, way harder than it was for me. And I'm not that much older than them. So if, if we were thinking this way before where we were, we actually were equipping in a multi, with a multi generational vision. This might be a problem for the world, but it wouldn't be for Christians because we would have had that figured out out. And yet we're seeing all these young families starting out in churches from, from nothing. And the shape that that might take can look different obviously for different people. But. And some people are, are dealt a rough hand where, yeah, maybe you're gonna, you should be content in your poverty. But this is America and there's a lot of opportunity out there. And if you're not trying, then you're not being a faithful steward. Faithful stewardship is not sitting on what you got, because it comes easy and sort of checking out because, you know, whatever you think that it makes you more righteous because you're happy with what you got, you can be happy with what you got while striving for more.
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B
Very good. And, you know, one of the things that I've been highlighting, it seems like a lot over the last couple of years is after Jesus gives us the Olivet discourse, it moves into final judgment. And these parables where Jesus talks about the master who gives the slaves these bags of gold. Gold. And he gives them the bags of gold according to each. Each according to what they're capable of. Of doing something with. And so when he gives it to the first one, that first one goes right away, immediate, it says, immediately goes to get it to work and starts doing whatever that looked like probably starting businesses, hiring people, investments, all the rest. And when the master comes back, he. He does nothing but praise the ones who took the bags of gold and actually made it work for him and turned it into a prophet. And what God says to those servants, the two, is that, you know, you were faithful over a little, and now I'm going to give you charge over a lot. Look. Look at what you did. You. You turned this gift that I gave you, this talent, you turn it into more. And let's again, never forget that the first thing on the table with that parable is that it is about money. Yes, you can apply it to all the other spiritual gifts God gives to you, all the callings he gives to you. Don't bury that calling. Don't bury that gift. Make it work, make it profitable for the Lord Jesus. But never forget, the first thing aimed at in the parable is money. It is talents, which is bags of gold. And the condemnation was towards that last servant that took the bag of gold and did nothing with. With it, buried it so that there was no return. And what does Jesus say to that unworthy servant? He says, you should have at least put it in the bank so that I could have gotten interest like you should have done.
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A
At least that something.
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B
Something like, you know, just don't let me come back to nothing. And so I think that that's the key thing. So, brother, I'm. Let's end on this thought so people will hear about what you're doing, which I'm so grateful to God for. So thankful for you, brother. They hear about what you're doing, but there's this tendency, and it's important. It's actually. It's a good initial response, I would say, but we have to be thoughtful with it. The initial response is you're hearing Christians talking about building wealth, establishing wealth, thinking about the future, trying to have an inheritance for your grandchildren, financial inheritance for your grandchildren. That's a righteous thing to do. And then people will rightly, initially go prosperity gospel. Right. Because we're so fearful of falling into that heretical, sinful way of thinking. God wants me to be happy, healthy and wealthy, which is not what we're saying. That's not the aim here. We can be happy in God and delighting in God in poverty, if that's what he's called us to. But there are other principles that God has called us to. So I just want to say this as you guys answer it. I want to say that what I'm arguing for is the life of wisdom that follows what God says to such a degree that we actually get the benefits and the promises that he says you'll get by being wise. That's what I'm saying. Not. Not the health, wealth, prosperity gospel of a Kenneth Copeland or a Hagee or, or any of those guys. I want to say that. No, I'm. I'm arguing for the law of God and the wisdom of God and the life of the believer that brings the prosperity and profit and blessing that God says that it will. That's how he's built the world. If you work like this, you'll get this. So what would you guys say about the whole claim to a prosperity gospel and the love of money and those sorts of things?
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D
Yeah, yeah.
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A
I think that one, like, clear thing in that passage is the stewards that made money went and did something. The guy who buried it is most like the health and wealth guys. He just had faith that the king would be happy with, with him. And so, like, that's the one. And probably the guys that had the greatest return were the ones that took the most risk as well, that strove the hardest for it. Like, that's. You don't. You don't get something for nothing. When God says to work, work was created, work started for man in the garden. God made a perfect world. And he puts Adam there and says, go work full time. Work is a blessing, it's not a curse. I think we're going to work in heaven. The great thing about it is there won't be toil. So imagine if all the work you did reaped benefit and reward. That's one. That's the only difference.
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B
Yeah.
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A
As it pertains to work, though, we're always going to do it.
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B
Yeah. Can you imagine an eternity we're just sitting there doing nothing? That would absolutely suck. Right. Like, we're going to be in this new, beautiful, renewed, created, like heavens and earth. Earth. And I think we're going to be doing things. We're going to be doing profitable things. We're going to be building things, creating things, you know, exploring talent and expression of music and all those things. Like, we're going to be doing things in eternity. Go ahead.
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A
Yeah, yeah. Josiah, I think you had something to say.
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D
Yeah. On the prosperity Gospel, because that's probably the argument I get into most consistently, at least when it comes to money. Because, like, how. How dare you say that, like, Christians ought to be rich. Jesus was poor. He had no place to rest. His disciples were poor. Like, the guy who held onto the money bag was the evil one. So, like, how dare you think that money is actually like a net good thing? But yeah, we have even, like all the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, all described as wealthy men. You have obviously Solomon, but also Saul, David, Nehemiah comes on later on, Lydia, seller of purple fabrics. You're not a purple fabric merchant and not having a lot of money. And again, the New Testament and the Old Testament never condemn wealth in and of itself. Even Joseph, like one of the richest men in the world outside of Pharaoh, never condemns wealth in itself. But what it can turn unrighteous men into when it gives them the freedom to be what they would be in the dark, in the light, just removes the natural barriers and consequences. And then their inequity can multiply because they can get away with more. And I think a lot of Christians are rightly, maybe scared of that. Like, we understand, especially as Calvinists, like, total depravity. And they think, well, if I'm wealthy, thee there but for the grace of God go I. And one of those graces is poverty. I can't get away with those particular public sins. And that's a grace and a blessing to me that I say, like, get stronger. Be a man of deeper character. Like, it's a. It's a burden to a degree, because it represents greater responsibility to, you know, do the right thing. You're. You are more of who you are when you have the means to get what you want to see in the world done. So I'm kind of constantly, especially in introductory overviews in our first Few meetings with people, just trying to let them know it's okay to be wealthy.
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C
Right.
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D
It's actually you're called to normatively be wealthy. That poverty should be like a relatively unusual thing because of external circumstances or because of God not blessing you with the faculties to get work done. You will always have the poor with you. But I do expect that to be a minority sort of membership there. But Christians who do have a right view of reality, who do have all of the advantages in the world, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, like the whole of creation, is more or less aligned with where we're trying to take it, should be the richest people on the planet. And the fact that we're not, I think, is just due to years of being catechized into this sort of gnostic asceticism, overreaction to the poverty gospel.
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B
Yeah, if you're being.
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D
Being.
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B
Yeah, yeah. If you're being like God, innovative, you know, creator and, and making good things, if you labor, you work, you're not idle. There can only be profit, profitability after that, there can only be some profitability. And so, and so we're saying, obey God, be. We're saying, be like God, obey God. And you'll see fruit from that. How much fruit? I'm not exactly sure. It's fallen world. Sometimes providentially, things happen that are out of control. But if you follow God's wisdom, God's law, his principles, then. Then you're going to see blessing. That's the key issue. And I think the real issue to address with money is of course, the famous verse, the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil, all kinds of evil. And what we're not advocating for is that people fall in love with and turn into idolatry money. We're not saying that or saying, actually quite the opposite. We're saying, obey God, be like God, and you'll experience blessing and fruit for your labor in this world. Okay, so everyone stay with us. One more section after this, a very important one with the guys from Iowa. I think it's really, really going to bless you. I just want to also tell you this, that we're going to have an after show today@ apologiastudios.com so sign up for all access. If you are all access. We're going to bring our boys over to the after show right after the show today and engage some more in detail on this discussion. Like what can Christians actually do right now to start thinking like this and what can they start investing in how would they actually start the process of doing this? Us. So the guys are going to stay with us. Very excited about it in the after show@ apologiastudios.com go over there, sign up for all access, get on it with us and quick commercial break. Be right back.
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Welcome back everybody. Thank you for joining us today. So lots is happening across the country. There are bills of abolition happening across the country in multiple states. We just had something happen in South Carolina. Unfortunately, the pro life establishment did what they do and killed that one. Again, we've got it happening in Georgia right now. We've got potentially it happening in Alabama. We have stuff happening in Texas. It's happening in Indiana, I believe, Tennessee, North Dakota, there's so many. I know I'm not going to catch them all. South Dakota, Idaho, Idaho, Iowa, and we just got Illinois. I'm going to be announcing on my social media platforms in the next day or two a meeting for pastors all across Illinois in Chicago, just to first have an initial meeting. We're going to be there a bunch of times to get this bill passed afterwards, rallies and those sorts of things. But if you're a pastor or you know, a pastor in the state of Illinois, Illinois, be on the lookout. So you guys can join me in Chicago for just for a quick meeting to get ourselves together and on the same place for, for Illinois. So we have stuff happening right now in Iowa. We have a representative on with us right now from Iowa. It is Zach Deacon. Zach, how you doing, brother? Great.
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C
Thanks for having me. Welcome me on.
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B
Absolutely. Also have Caleb Davis with us. Caleb, welcome, brother.
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H
Hey, thanks for having me.
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B
All right. So Zach, I'm so thankful for you, man. I'm so, so thankful for you. God challenged you and brought you to a place where you wanted to be courageous enough to put the bill of equal protection in for these children in Iowa. And so you've put that bill in and tell us where we're at. What do we need to do in Iowa to help. What's the status?
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C
Yeah. Perfect timing to be on your guys show. I literally just got back to my house. I live four hours from Des Moines. So I was driving back back and but this morning I, I, I dropped it in and so it should be read in given a number and should we, we should be off and running by tomorrow. Even though we don't gavel in, they still read in bills. But you know, so next week when we, when we gavel in on Monday, we should be, we should be rolling. And so I had a good conversation with some, some House leadership today. We got the speaker pro tem to co sponsor our bill again. We have eight total signers on to include myself so obviously me and then seven other co sponsors, which is more than, you know, we've ever had in Iowa. And so that's awesome. Not quite at the Georgia level, but that's all right. That's the most we've ever had in Iowa. And I am all but certain, 99 certain that I have a senator ready to co sponsor a companion bill.
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A
Nice.
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C
Have two bills running at the same time, which has never happened in the four years that I've been in. He is committed, I believe to he's a Christian man, godly man, and he is committed to dropping it in the Senate, which is huge in Iowa. Huge at the same time.
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B
Oh, that is great, Zach. Praise God for that. You guys catch that? One bill in the House, one bill in the Senate, equal protection. And just before I pull Caleb in here, Zach Tack, what does this build do? Why are you doing it? What's the point?
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C
Yeah, so you guys know b. But just in case listeners don't, I mean this is kind of the story of why I ran in the first place. How we, how we met, how we were able to build a relationship together. Which I'm thankful for obviously. But yeah, it's why we ran. And so it's just a simple bill. We've worked on it with Bradley Pierce, so shout out to him to in his organization. But it just seeks to treat unborn children like everybody else in the world. Everybody else in the United States. It's like a bill that's literally two pages long. It's kind of what I lead with when I'm asking for co sponsors and explaining it because people are used to just these lengthy Complicated bills with lots of nuances in it. And this is really just not complicated at all. It declares what's in the womb is human being from fertilization made in God's image and deserving of all the protections and due processes of everybody else.
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B
Simple, simple, unassailable. Can't be argued with coherently. Yeah, so simple. And for the pro choicers that are for this evil in society, they can't overcome it with any coherent argumentation, period. Because they can't argue with what is obviously a biblical fact, but also a biological fact, an indisputable biological fact that what's in the womb is human for fertilization. They can't overcome that argumentation. All it's going to show is that they are not for human rights ultimately and justice for all humans. And for the pro lifers, everything in this bill they're supposed to agree with. It's, it's, it's what they, it's what they raise funds about. It's, it's what they, they do their stump speeches about. And they say that what's in the womb is fully human fertilization and all life is sacred and worthy of protection. And that's what this bill of says. And so go ahead.
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C
Yeah, it's really, it's really. I mean, you make a great point. Like, it's just been my biggest struggle. And of course I mean this very respectfully, but it's been my biggest struggle as I was asking for co sponsors and asking for people to jump on the bill. I was always met with. Yeah, I have some concerns about it, but then I could. But then they could never actually give me what they were.
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B
Right. Right.
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D
Sure.
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C
Because there really aren't any. I just think that maybe it's people being uncomfortable with the fact that they're waking up to how much we've been lied to for forever. Yeah. About this issue. And I think it just makes people uncomfortable. But nobody has an ultimate issue with the bill.
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B
Very good. Zach, man, you're my hero, brother. Seriously. Thankful for you. So grateful for you and how hard it is to do these things and what a risk it is to your life, your future, your talents, everything you put on the table when you stand for justice for these preborn. And so I'm thankful for you and thankful for your wife. Seriously. Seriously. Thank you.
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C
Yeah, yeah. Just continue to pray for us. The couple weeks from now is our deadline for when the bill has to pass out of committee. And so just if I could mention that just one once real quick. Yeah, we, we have three weeks to really get this thing passed out of a subcommittee. So just pray that that happens and, and we can continue to make headway that way.
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B
Well, we're standing ready for you, man. You let me know you have my number. So you call me, let me know exactly what you need us to do, how we can mobilize the team out there. And I think to bring us to, to Caleb. Caleb, bring us into what's happening in Iowa and how the church in Iowa or even outside of Iowa can, can help you.
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H
Yeah, I think obviously just praying for us. This is kind of, it's not new territory. This is a third year. Zach's put in a bill. But as far as us trying to get mobilized as the church, especially as an organization, Abortion Iowa, I'm trying to figure out what that looks like. You know what, we're raising funds. You guys were talking about money earlier. We had none. So we're trying to figure out how to, how to do that. So trying to get the word out obviously about the bill and just what it does. Like, like you said, it's very simple. It's not a thousand page bill that comes through Congress. You know, it's a couple pages. And just the conversations I've had over the last couple years that we've been doing on this is when you explain equal protection to people, like it makes sense to them, something clicks for them. They, they get it. Like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. But for some reason there's something, something there that's stopping them from going all in on it. I don't know if it's the organizations they're with or whatever, but it's, it's common sense, it's biblical. It makes sense. So, yeah, so we're, right now we're just trying to get the word out to different churches. I've personally emailed and called over 400 churches around Iowa. We've got a couple guys on our board, Zach, Zach Frank and Aaron Hale. Been doing a lot of good work. I'm trying to get this thing going, get the word out.
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B
Good. Well, what can we do? Let's just say this right now so everyone can hear it. What can we do to serve you both right now, from where we sit, our states, what can we do to stand behind you guys? And obviously you said prayer, but there's probably more than that we need to do. I would imagine that if anybody knows Iowa pastors or congregations, they need to start informing them that Zach Deacon has a bill of abolition and equal protection in the state. We need to get everyone who knows pastors or everyone who's a Christian in Iowa to start supporting Zach and stand by and be ready to call legislators to encourage them to make sure this gets a hearing and passes the hearing and passes the household floor. But, but other than, than those things or emphasize those things, what can we do, Zach, Caleb, to make sure we're supporting you right now?
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C
Yeah, I think I'll go first. I think first of all, just thanks again for having us on because I know that people listen to you guys. I, I think that it's most impactful for legislators and I think you've probably seen this in other states too. When people physically show up. Emails are great and phone calls are wonderful. But if, if you're listening to this or if you continue to listen to apolog staff or Luke, reach out to you as a pastor. Encourage your Congress to physically show up to the Capitol and talk one on one with these legislators and talk to me and make, make your presence felt there. You know, you guys talked about your First Amendment right and appropriate areas to exercise that and not appropriate areas to exercise it. Coming to your state Capitol is an appropriate area to exercise it.
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B
That's right.
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C
So come, come to where I was state capital and show support for it and share. Share. I mean, I, I don't, I don't love that social media is kind of the gatekeeper to the First Amendment. It's just where all the conversations are having so. Or that, that's where we're having these conversations as to say so share this stuff on, on all of your social media and anywhere that you can. And then if you know of anybody too, I appreciate that you guys have an open line communication with us, but that's, that's, that works both ways. If you hear of anybody in Iowa that, that is interested in coming or wants to help out with us, just, just hand them my information and we'll get a hold of them.
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B
Absolutely. Yeah, just give me a call, Zach, let me know. I'm going to put the word out. Whenever you tell me you need something or someone needs to be called, you let me know and I'll put the word out across our platforms to make sure we get everyone mobilized to do it for you. Grateful for you both.
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G
You guys got a big event next week, correct?
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A
Correct.
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H
Yeah, we got actually two events technically. So we got next Thursday at three at the Iowa capital. We're doing a solemn assembly. So we've just been trying to get the word out about that. You know, we're gonna have a Couple pastors pray and speak and then we'll sing some hymns and things like that, try to get the church to rally around the, the bill. And then that's the 29th at three. And then the next day is the first day of our conference, our End Abortion Iowa conference that we're doing doing at Fellowship Baptist Church here in Des Moines.
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G
So can is registration still available for that if people want to come?
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B
Yeah.
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C
Yep.
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H
It's open on our website in abortion iowa.com pastors can get them free with the Code Iowa pastor and then legislators can get in free with the Code Iowa legislator and then any students can get in 25% off with end Abortion Iowa student when they check out. We're not trying to make a ton of money necessarily. We just want to make sure we can cover, cover costs, cover your cost.
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A
Awesome.
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H
Pay, pay for speakers and things like that.
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B
So very good.
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G
Daryl Gross, our vice president of Red State Reform will be there obviously. And then Nando Rangel's going as well. So we'll have some representation there. I would be there if we didn't have our man camp that weekend, but I couldn't, couldn't make it. So. Yeah, yeah, we're, we're excited for that. I think it's going to be a great event and we'll be praying for that.
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B
I'm thankful for you, brothers. Please let me know what I can do to serve you guys. We want to do everything we can to help you and so just know that we're, we're on standby and for you. So everyone, thank you guys for watching today. If you would go to apologiastudios.com check us out for the after show. I'm excited to do this after show with Dominion Wealth. It won't be very long, but it'll hopefully be some helpful information for you guys. ApologiaStudios.com Sign up for all access and get all the additional content. And most importantly, be a part of this ministry with us. Every time I go around, travel somewhere and someone walks up to me and says, hey, I'm an all access partner. I'm just so grateful. So, so grateful because none of this, none of this even happens without you guys doing this ministry with us. So we're very, very thankful for you. Luke, what do we need to tell everyone about?
- [72:29]
G
Yeah, so you guys mentioned Bradley Pierce earlier. He also is vice president of Heritage Defense and so we're grateful to be partnering with them as well. So if you are homeschooling your children, please go to heritagedefense.org and sign up to have representation in case a three letter agency comes to your door. You can go to heritage defense.org and put apologia and the coupon code and get your first month free. And we got all the sweet tracks and coffee and swag and swag shop. Apologies. There's a bug flying in my face there and most people are freezing their rear ends off right now. We got bugs flying in our face. Yeah, I'm still wearing flip flops.
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B
It is nice here. It is nice. I was in, I was in Atlanta and it did not feel good.
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G
No. Yeah.
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B
It did not feel feel good.
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G
Yeah. So anyways then of course, Dominion wealth. You'll see you guys on the after show. We're grateful for them as well.
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B
All right, everybody. So thankful for you. Make sure you guys continue to pray for what's happening across the country right now. Unless the Lord's build. The Lord builds the house. They labor in vain who build it. So be in prayer that God would do this, that he would establish justice. Pray for courageous men like Zach Deacon in Iowa and Caleb Davis. So thankful for them. Pray for all that's happening in all of these things states. Pray for what's coming up soon in Illinois and all the pastors we're going to meet with to get movement forward, going forward there in the state of Illinois. And everybody pray for us. Give it to end abortion now dot com. Help us to get to our goal, our budget goal. We need your help to pull all of this off. And we are lean, we are mean, we have a very, very small team that all rhymed and but I think we are very, very affected by the grace of God. God. But we need you guys to stay with us@endabortion now.com Just go there, give financially, help us. This costs a lot to do these things in these states. It takes a lot of work. It takes a lot of sweat and tears but also it takes money to be able to pull this off. And so I'm so thankful for you guys. Meet us over@ apologiastudios.com for the after show with Dominion Wealth. Thank you. I'm the ninja. That's the bear.
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G
Peace out.
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B
We'll see you next week.