New LEAKED Document Mentions Surviving Aliens - Jeremy Corbell | DEBRIEFED ep. 88

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Episode 88: New LEAKED Document Mentions Surviving Aliens - Jeremy Corbell | DEBRIEFED ep. 88
Date: May 15, 2026
Guest: Jeremy Corbell
Host: Chris Ramsay

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Overview: Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives deep into Jeremy Corbell’s latest experiences investigating and revealing government UFO whistleblowers, mysterious leaked documents, and the increasing pressure placed on prominent figures in the UFO disclosure community. The discussion zeroes in on a leaked government memo referencing “surviving aliens” and concerns over human symbiosis with non-human entities, plus the broader context of whistleblower protection, the risks faced by truth-tellers, government manipulation of the UFO narrative, and the emotional and personal toll of living under threat. Both Chris and Jeremy also review and analyze the new documentary about Jeremy’s life in the UFO space.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Surviving Aliens” Leaked Document

[01:11, 119:52, 125:44–126:56]

• Jeremy reveals receiving a package from the head of cybersecurity at Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL), which included a memo stating:

  "Local residents should be checked for evidence that they are being symbiotically manipulated by surviving aliens."
  (119:52)

• The document refers to “site investigation” for alien inorganic compounds and possible biochemical contamination:

  • There is a concern about "bio-synthetic" or "symbiotic" alien influence on humans, which both hosts agree sounds like science fiction, but is in an official memo.
  • The significance: This document was never meant for the public (“I trust that that is a memo that was never supposed to be in public domain.” - Jeremy, 131:35)
  • Discussion about whether the document is real, planted disinfo, or something else; decision to share for public discourse.

• Additional context: The file is one of many from a LANL cache, and hints at broader, multi-document leaks involving potential “alien biologics,” cleanup operations, and biohazards.

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2. Whistleblowers, Reprisals, and the Cost of Disclosure

[16:41, 20:36, 23:17, 32:02, 39:59, 47:44, 48:14, 160:01]

• Jeremy details his role in bringing forward UAP whistleblowers to testify at Congressional hearings (“I brought almost every single person you've seen in the UAP hearing up there. Almost.” – 17:10)
• He and George Knapp deliberately avoided entering SCIFs (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities), advised by their lawyer to prevent involuntary classification of what they’d seen.
• Corbell describes three categories of reprisals against witnesses:
  • Inert: Subtle pressure, such as repeated requests for interviews to “shape the UAP narrative.” (28:03–31:00)
  • Overt: Direct threats, harassing phone calls ("We're going to fucking kill you." – 34:26), and even physical intimidation at public places.
  • Covert: Manipulation through third parties (“agency covertly pushing a psychopath to hurt you… that is real, I know because I have personally experienced it.” – 46:39)
• He discusses the personal toll, including FBI warnings and the need to move houses for safety.
• Whistleblowers like Matt Brown and Dylan Borland faced entrapment, smear attempts, and risk to their families.
• Corbell reiterates that sharing the actual truths about UFOs may endanger both national security and individual lives (“…sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs and destroy your humanity.” – 140:16)

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3. The New Documentary – “Michael’s Movie” on Jeremy Corbell

[60:12–75:19]

• The film, directed by Michael Lasofski, explores Jeremy’s personal life, his relationships with figures like John Lear and Bob Lazar, and the emotional burden of secrecy and trust.
• Chris and Jeremy reflect on the value of “in-between moments” and authenticity captured on film:
  • “In this movie the focus was more on the in between moments… the main moments were kind of brushed aside…” – Chris, 60:31
• Jeremy explains his philosophy of trust and his methods of documentary journalism: “The trick to being trusted is to actually be trustworthy… you have to continuously reinforce, prove it, show the receipts and maintain it if you want a high level of trust.” (67:37)
• The film includes never-before-seen footage of Bob Lazar, rare interviews, and behind-the-scenes looks at big UFO personalities.

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4. UFO Footage, Satellite Evidence, and the Limits of Disclosure

[15:28, 117:16–117:48, 143:05–143:50]

• Jeremy and George have been the recipients of 13 classified “assets” (pieces of military UFO footage) they’ve deemed safely releasable.

• The footage available to journalists is just “the tip of an iceberg.” Some is so sensitive that even having it might be a federal crime.

• The "smoking gun footage" exists:

  "That would be clear as day UAP filmed by satellite … I have seen it … so have other people that you know." – Jeremy (143:07)

  • Describes “lenticular,” “triangle,” "Tic Tac," "oval," “spheres”—variety of craft.
  • However, due to classification and the structure of access, only a tiny pool could leak it.

• New film reveals the process: how Jeremy and George verify and debate what can be made public.

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5. The Game of National Security, Entrapment, and Narrative Control

[12:42–14:04, 168:28]

• Government agencies actively shape the UFO narrative—using selective disclosure, manipulation, witness intimidation, and even attempts to co-opt journalists.

• Jeremy describes various levels of “bad apples” within agencies; some want the truth, others seek to maintain control or manufacture consent.

• He details being pressured to amplify a false narrative about a “craft slowly making its way to Earth” (the “slow UFO invasion” narrative), which he assesses as intentional disinformation to prepare the public or misdirect.

  “Their job is to shape the emerging UAP narrative, to be able to utilize truth and untruth to their behest. That is the goal.” (168:51)

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6. The Emotional Toll: Living Under Threat & The Ethics of Journalism

[25:40, 47:44, 69:32, 140:16]

• Jeremy discusses the exhaustion, paranoia, and sadness resulting from being targeted, surveilled, and driven from his homes.
• Describes how he and others live with “FBI files, lawyer briefings,” secret recordings for their safety, and perpetual vigilance.
• Relentless threats require meticulous documentation, extreme operational security, and constant protection of sources (“…every moment of your life, unless you choose it to be, is documented, recorded audio, video pushed up to the cloud…” – 49:57).
• Quote:

  “You cannot live. You're not free... you don't have freedom of thought because you don't have freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech, you can't have freedom of thought. And that's what's at stake with the UFO game.” (140:16)

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7. Handling and Assessing UFO Evidence

[117:53–122:14, 130:31]

• All files received are meticulously verified to avoid disinfo traps and protect sources.
• Journalist ethics often mean holding information back for safety, corroboration, or strategic reasons.
  • “You always keep stuff to one, find out who's going to come to you with bullshit after, like names associated with those phone numbers or that's your uppercut or left hook.” (121:22)
• Discussion of the balance between journalistic transparency, national security, and the public’s right to know.

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8. Patterns in Whistleblower Disappearances: The McCasland Case

[160:01]

• When asked directly about missing General McCasland:
  • “If you mean by being murdered bad, yes, I believe he was murdered. I do. And I have cause to believe that.” (160:04)
  • Acknowledges the pattern of disappearances and pressure not always coincidental, often hidden behind ambiguous official narratives.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Information Control:

  "Their job is to shape the emerging UAP narrative, to be able to utilize truth and untruth to their behest." – Jeremy Corbell (168:51)

• On the Emotional Toll:

  "Sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs and destroy your humanity. And I've seen that pain in people's eyes, and it's not a way to live." – Jeremy Corbell (140:16)

• On the Leaked Los Alamos Memo:

  "Local residents should be checked for evidence that they are being symbiotically manipulated by surviving aliens." (119:52)

  • Chris: "That sounds like something out of a bad science fiction novel. Like, it's crazy."
  • Jeremy: "Exactly." (126:42)

• On the Existence of "Smoking Gun" Footage:

  "I would love that smoking gun evidence which does exist. I have seen it. So have other people that you know. And I'm not talking about one piece of footage. I'm talking about a lot of footage. But it is not mine to share." – Jeremy (143:05)

• On Whistleblower Threats:

  "You get a call and on the other end ... 'we are going to fucking kill you.' Full stop. Hang up. That's just a start. Okay, that's over, right?" (34:26)

• On Covert Psychological Operations:

  "All that needs to be done is to instigate, quietly, poke, prod, inflame, and then that person gets the bright idea to really hurt you." (44:06) "That is real. I know because I have personally experienced it." (46:39)

• On the Burden of Trust:

  "The trick to being trusted is to actually be trustworthy. The only problem with trust is it doesn't end once somebody trusts you. You have to continuously reinforce, prove it, show the receipts and maintain it if you want a high level of trust." (67:37)

• On Documentary Filmmaking:

  "You always want facts. You want specifics ... In this movie the focus was More on the in between moments. And the in between moments were put forward as the main moments." – Chris (60:31)

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Selected Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:11, 119:52]: The “Symbiotically Manipulated by Surviving Aliens” Los Alamos Memo revealed
• [16:41–20:36]: Describing the risk to whistleblowers and testifying process
• [25:40–40:50]: Types of reprisals – inert, covert, overt; hands-on examples
• [47:44–50:45, 140:16]: Jeremy on personal threats, FBI warnings, moving for safety, existential risks
• [60:12–75:19]: Deep dive into the new documentary, authenticity, and artistic choices
• [95:15–101:27]: Rare insights into Bob Lazar footage and the aftermath of his speaking out
• [117:29–122:14]: Journalistic methods – file verification, holding back, leak logistics
• [130:15–132:24, 143:05]: On the leaked memo and the existence of “smoking gun” satellite footage
• [160:01]: The disappearance (murder) of General McCasland
• [168:51]: “Their job is to shape the emerging UAP narrative...” – summary of government information tactics

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Tone and Language

• Candid, at times heavy and sobering, yet sprinkled with humor and self-awareness
• Direct, occasionally philosophical – both hosts often contemplate the nature of truth, trust, threat, and reality
• Jeremy is fluent in the “insider” language of intelligence community operations, sometimes slowing down to clarify for the audience
• Both stress the importance of ethics, the difficulty of living under surveillance and threat, and the necessity of public discourse

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Overall Flow

The episode begins with the bombshell of the “surviving aliens” memo and branches into the behind-the-scenes processes of leak verification, whistleblower protection, navigating disinformation, and narrative control. At each point, real-life risks and psychological costs are foregrounded, grounded by Jeremy’s willingness to speak honestly about both the evidence and his own lived experience.

This episode is invaluable for listeners seeking more than just the surface headlines of UFO disclosure—it opens up the mechanics, risks, and ethical dilemmas of revealing the biggest secret in human history.

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For Listeners:

If you’re looking for revelations, candid accounts, and the reality of the high-stakes UFO disclosure world, this episode—with its blend of deep background, memorable documentary moments, and real-world threat assessment—is essential listening.

Transcript

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[Jeremy Corbell]

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[Chris Ramsey]

Local residents should be checked for evidence that they are being symbiotically manipulated by surviving aliens.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I trust that that is a memo that was never supposed to be in public domain.

[Chris Ramsey]

So this is not the only piece of paper that was.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay. There's a whole other set of files attached to that, allegedly. Is it stressful?

[Jeremy Corbell]

What? My life. There's a pattern of people disappearing.

[Chris Ramsey]

Something bad happened to him.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, yeah. If you mean by being murdered bad, yes. I would love that. Smoking gun evidence, which does exist. I have seen it. So have other people that you know. And I'm not talking about one piece of footage. I'm talking about a lot of footage, but it is not mine to share.

[Chris Ramsey]

What does it feature? Does it feature a disc? A Tic Tac? A tube?

[Jeremy Corbell]

You're talking about a lot of different footage, Chris.

[Chris Ramsey]

Tell me.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, yeah, sure. There are. There's triangles, there's Tic Tacs, there's ovals,

[Chris Ramsey]

there's spheres, and that you've seen.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yes. So I think I have a little fear in me right now. So I'm, like, trying to speak thoughtfully, and that's hard for me sometimes. But there are consequences. And sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs and destroy your humanity. And I've seen that pain in people's eyes, and it's not a way to live.

[Chris Ramsey]

All right, so in 2008, on the 4th of July. I was on a boat with my father, who's in the Federal Aviation Administration, two retired commercial pilots, and a current commercial pilot. And off to our right is a baseball field, and the field lights are on. From these three lights, we saw three cubes appear, and they were rotating, and then they just vanished after about 20 seconds, I would say. It was almost like they came out of the lights and everybody in the boats that we were both tied to and the boats all around us, we all freaked out. Everybody saw this. It was incredible. And ever since then, I've been obsessed with the phenomenon.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Ramsey Corbell. Magician.

[Chris Ramsey]

Investigator.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Artist.

[Chris Ramsey]

Artist.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Smart guy. Same intuitive.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. I mean, I could say a lot of the same things about you, sir.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Strong.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Good at Jiu Jitsu?

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, I was really bad. But, I mean, I will. You. You do something 10,000 times more than someone else.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And you got a shot.

[Chris Ramsey]

It's the definition of a magician.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Is what?

[Chris Ramsey]

Doing something. An unreasonable. Putting an unreasonable amount of time into something.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Unreasonable to who?

[Chris Ramsey]

To the common person.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Who's that?

[Chris Ramsey]

Whoever you're trying to fool or just

[Jeremy Corbell]

the people not doing it?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, exactly. Same one and the same.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Do you try to fool people?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, of course. With magic? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, no. I think. I think fooling them is a part of the. Is one of the ingredients in creating wonder. But you don't always necessarily have to fool people. In fact, the best magic tricks is when people fool themselves. And the same could be said for a psyop, you know?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Is your aim to create wonder with magic? Because you said that. Magic. Okay. Right. Magic.

[Chris Ramsey]

With a G. With a C. With a G and a C. With a

[Jeremy Corbell]

G and a C. Yeah. How do you turn this down? You're so loud in my head, Ramsey. For a long time, you've been loud in my head, But I can turn you down.

[Chris Ramsey]

You're too. Let me know if this is. Hold on. I'm going to do this. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I want to have control. Turning you up or down.

[Chris Ramsey]

So this is me, and this is me. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Go again. Talk.

[Chris Ramsey]

1, 2, 1, 2. 1, 2. 1, 2, 1, two.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're loud, motherfucker. Right here.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right there is good.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Ooh, that's like saucy. I mean, it's all good.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. I like the headphones because they. They tend to lock you in. There's an immersion. And I didn't really get it before, and I was like, that's more freeing without headphones. But then the headphones makes it so that you're kind it's like kind of like blinders for your ears, where you're like, this is where I'm at. I'm not out there.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Fingers for your ears. This is where I'm at. Yeah. I. I now am experiencing that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Now you're aware of it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, now I'm here.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

Thanks for coming to the quote unquote skiff. I know you've been in a real skiff, and tell me the difference between a skiff. I never. As someone who's never set foot in a skiff. What. What is it? Is it empty?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Let's first be honest with everybody.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You took me into a snow globe.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. Just want to make sure we're honest with everybody.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yes.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And then you did bring me into this skiff fact.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, cool.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So your question was, what's the difference of a real skiff? Right. Because usually people don't have to be in skiff and.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. And they don't bring their phones in.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's a big one, I think.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, yeah. I wish I did.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. They probably check your pockets, though, before coming in, huh?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I mean, you go through. In some of them, there's an honor system. In some of them, there are metal detectors, and in some of them, there's more procedures done. But typically, if you're being brought into a scif, they already know that you're not going to be breaking the rules.

[Chris Ramsey]

They assume.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, they make sure to know. I mean, I can only speak from my own experience. My own experience is I was never in a skiff where all variables that were controllable were not controlled on both ends. And there's a lot of skiffs that I never went into.

[Chris Ramsey]

Is it stressful?

[Jeremy Corbell]

What, my life?

[Chris Ramsey]

No, I think you just answered that question. But, no, getting into a skiff, like that moment where you're, like, crossing the threshold, you know, you're in this sensitive compartmentalized information facility. It's. You know, you hear about the things that go on in the skiff, and the things that are talked about are obviously of the most sensitive nature. Do you feel that sort of reverence as you cross a threshold into one of these places? Do you feel anxiety or is there, like, a sense of relief or release that there's nothing recording anything you're saying, is there?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, that's not always true. That there's nothing recording what you're saying inside of a skiff? That's not always true. First of all, now you're asking me a personal question, and my personal feelings If I can be completely honest now, which I can be, is that my personal feeling is I've never walked into a skiff once invited. That I didn't feel 100% comfortable. I wouldn't. In fact, I didn't.

[Chris Ramsey]

You've refused to enter a skiff?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yes, sir. George Knapp and I refused to go into a skiff.

[Chris Ramsey]

This was mentioned in Sleeping Dog, Foxy.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I don't have a memory for it. Cause I just quickly.

[Chris Ramsey]

You're using this way before anybody. I get it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I processed anything.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, I'll refresh your memory. You were invited into a scifi and then you were advised by your lawyer not to go. Because your lawyer is like. If you go in there and you say this stuff, they might have a right to classify it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Made an assumption.

[Chris Ramsey]

I did.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

What was my assumption?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Nothing I could have said. Could have been classified. Okay, I'll explain it.

[Chris Ramsey]

But. But the lawyer in the movie, you said that the lawyer. That was one of the things he warned you about was that they can just basically classify whatever is said in there. And that that way you're never allowed to report on it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, I'm not trying to be mysterious.

[Chris Ramsey]

I just.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You don't have to be very specific. Because now you're asking my brain to unravel something which I haven't really seen in a way, in a big way. So let's go there. Let's go into this one little tiny hair and let's split it.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. I was supposed to testify in front of the American public. My caveat to that or condition was that the American public gets to see some of what I've seen and some of what George has seen. A tiny fraction footage. Footage that is absolutely non harming to American national security. And five eyes national security. The difference would be no satellite footage. Because satellite capability is like a submarine is really classified its whereabouts. And the capability of satellite, if you look at what's out there in the natural world, is very limited. Like extremely limited. So no satellite footage. If it had ever passed in front of my eyes, that's not something that is safe. Additionally, let's say there's two UFOs that swarm from the left of camera towards the right. Kind of make a half loop around a Russian asset. But that Russian asset, not just being satellite or whatever, actually it was low visual. So not not satellite, but that asset, they didn't know that we were and could see them. So that's a no go because.

[Chris Ramsey]

I see. Yeah, because now they're aware of, you know, whatever Drone or whatever satellite's looking at them.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So strategic surprise is one of the greatest threats that we participate with, dealing with on a daily basis as a nation and as five eyes. So when you have the ability to see and people don't think you can, that would be considered national security. What I was intending to do, and I guess now I've said it a little bit in the movie, because the movie member is a compressed amount of time, of course. So you get like the sentence that means the paragraph. So what I was talking about is I was to. And I went through a lengthy month, many months, process of this game of cat and mouse, of like, okay, if I had seen anything that the American public should see, specifically 12 assets, I figure were, you know, okay for people to see. You know, no one piece of footage is going to prove everything to everybody or even anything to anybody. Yeah, but you got to take your shot, right? So then there's no reason why UFOs should be. The existence of UFOs should not be classified. Nothing about that should be classified.

[Chris Ramsey]

None that I can think of.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Now, when you get into the implications and the technology, 100, like, you know, nuclear science exists, but can't give you the codes on how to write. So George Knapp and I were doing this dance of like. Well, so I personally will testify, but what I have to say is not important. So saying is not important. For me. It is giving and showing 12 assets. Now, the thing is, and here's the dance. How do you get into a locked room? And you're a puzzle man, so maybe you figure this out. I couldn't. How do you get into a locked room with no electronics and show what you think as a journalist? Because you don't gotta ask permission as a journalist. You don't. But you can do a lot of harm, not just to yourself, to other people, to our nation, that kind of thing. So let's just pretend. How do you get into that locked room and how do you show in front of other people's eyes if you're. If it passes in front of your eyes but you don't have anything?

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, that's an interesting conundrum.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Because it. Because you can't have something.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, I guess I never thought about that. That's a really interesting thing. So.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But they gotta know that something is there.

[Chris Ramsey]

Wait, so anybody who's been briefed on the UFO stuff has never been shown a video in a skiff?

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, I didn't say that.

[Chris Ramsey]

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[Jeremy Corbell]

What I said is how. I'm asking a question. If you're me.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And you're George, and you've said publicly to the world that footage has passed in front of your eyes, but you don't have it. Like, it's not at your home. Your home gets raided. It's not on your phone as soon as your phone gets taken. So you have. Oh, I see, you have access. Right. Because it's been in front of your eyes and you predict they should have access. So how do you then. Because, you know, in order for me to testify, my condition is that the American public has to see what I want to show them. Because my words don't mean shit. I mean, they do, but, like, that's not the point of.

[Chris Ramsey]

Why?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I got nothing really to say.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, of course.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So how do you get in there and bring something? Because by the time you bring in something, you've got something, so you have something.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, then let's say you're there. First of all, you're a journalist. The obtaining is fine. Obtain and release. I've never leaked anything in my life. Now, sure, people have leaked stuff to me and George. And that's a crime. That's a federal crime. It's got major punishment. And that's on whoever leaks.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, it's not on You.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, it's not. My wife's kind of reinforced that to me. You know, that you can't. People make choices for better or worse, hopefully for better, because they trust you.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And the one thing I am worthy of is people's trust. So here we go. How do we get into that room? And then how do you show it if you don't. If you don't have it, if you don't want to have it in there? Because then you have it. All of that. All of that. All of that. All of that can instantaneously be reverse classified. Even though it's once it's in the hands of journalists, it's already in the hands of journalists, and they have a duty to the public.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, yeah. It's a tricky line.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But me and George doing no harm to national security is important to us. Now, one more layer just to you. Tell me how you get out of this escape room. Okay, so now I've got a conundrum. I don't want. I don't need to testify. The American public. But if I did, they would see 12 things minimum. Okay? So I'm told by national security people after months and months and months of doing this dance, but also filling up, the people they're going to testify, going through this massive vetting process with each one, I brought almost every single person you've seen in the UAP hearing up there. Almost. Have I directly facilitated their sitting there? Almost. So with that said, I've got this responsibility, and I'm like, cool, let's. Let's see this through. Let's set this up so we get notified that there is a scif, and it's under my terms and conditions, which is that these are the people allowed and must be in the room. And you tell me who you want. And I need to know their names now. I need to know who they work for. And the thing about them is they know that if they tell me a lie, I will find out. And that's been the bane of the existence of the doj. And everybody, every agency, is that somehow, through magic, with like a fucking normal spelling, okay? This spelling. Okay. That George and I can do that. So then imagine this all set up. And by the way, this is the one where they had another journalist that wasn't George Knapp at it before. Right, Right. So it was for that. And then what happens is I get a call, I'm in the showers from a congressional person, and they say, we have a leak. Straight up, we have a leak. And I go, I know and then I'm gonna say this person said, do you know who it is? And I said, I do. I believe I do. And then this person said to me, I'm not even going to be in D.C. they're lying to you. And I said, didn't know. So I called my lawyer, my federal lawyer, who is Chuck McCullough III. And in that conversation, I don't think this is a good idea for you and George. Jeremy.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And. And he explained why.

[Chris Ramsey]

Seems like a. Almost like a trap.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Almost exactly like a trap.

[Chris Ramsey]

That sounds like standard operating procedure as well. Like, I mean, for this type of thing where it's like, hey, yeah, come on in.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, you know, no, it's not.

[Chris Ramsey]

You don't think so?

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, I know so. There's supposed to be mutual trust, for example. I'll give you another example when I say I'm going to give you 10 witnesses to choose from to testify. Now, this is highly sensitive because you're not going to choose 10. So I'm revealing to you out of 52 cards, you know, 10 cards, but you can only play with six. So I'm like, there are four people that will be exposed that don't need to be. So I've got one rule. If you ever break it, I'm never doing this again. The rule is nobody, because they got a lot of staffers.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Nobody tells Arrow, and nobody gets to know but the people in the room. And that's a trust thing, and that's the way it should and usually goes, accept every single one of them got exposed to Arrow, and Arrow went after them in different unique ways that I have documented and can prove in the court of law.

[Chris Ramsey]

In. In what? In, like, what way have they gone after them in. In sort of like public mocking. Is it like stalking or is it

[Jeremy Corbell]

threatening the unknown people that didn't testify?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, these are the unknown people. Like, how did they. How did they suffer repercussions or reprisals

[Jeremy Corbell]

from, you know, they suffered repercussions or reprisals. I said they went after them. So that means a few different things. Play the tape backwards, because sometimes I misspeak.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, no, that's my bad for assuming. Because, you know, you hear it a lot with witnesses, especially as of late, you know, Matt Brown and I assume Dylan Borland as well, because of the, you know, the movie as well. You know, you hear him saying, oh,

[Jeremy Corbell]

but nobody's seen it yet.

[Chris Ramsey]

After this.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, gotcha.

[Chris Ramsey]

This will go up. People. People will have seen it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Temporal dil. So I'm gonna Skip. And Chris Ramsey has a clock right there. But it's. There's a dilation.

[Chris Ramsey]

This is two months early.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I am positive there's a dilation of time.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, well, there. There temporarily is. We're sitting in a bubble that won't be popped until May, after May 18th.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I mean, it's like a month. No.

[Chris Ramsey]

So two months away.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No. May 12th.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, May 12th.

[Jeremy Corbell]

May 12th. The bubble bursts.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay, well, that's. We're sitting in that current bubble. But safe to say Dylan Borland in. In that documentary is clearly shaken up by what seems to be people coming after him. He has a fear of people coming after his wife. Even asks you, you know, on. On one of your calls, no matter what happens to me, take care of my wife. He seems really, really concerned.

[Jeremy Corbell]

He was. For good reason.

[Chris Ramsey]

And. And so what I'm asking is, like, these four people and maybe Dylan included, what sort of. Because we hear it a lot, you know, that they're being going at. They're being gone after by some, you know, organization, some agency. But what exactly does that mean? Is it straight up like brass knuckles and like, hey, we're going to beat you out in the parking lot if you don't shut up? Or is it more subtle? Is it like a little wink here and there? Or is it very overt, like, hey, if you don't stop this, we'll bury you in the desert. Like, what's. What does that look like? Help me understand.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right. So it's insidious, and that's the best word that I can use for it. And it comes in a variety of ways. And some are overt and some are covert, and then some are just almost seemingly inert. And it's really. So I would like to break that down for you, but I want to back you up one second, which is that Dylan raised his hand and got all the way there, and he testified. So clearly I'm not talking about him.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Although he did, you know, get messed

[Jeremy Corbell]

with and to be factual, actually Arrow was part of a significant operation to entrap him with a false fictitious. I don't know the right words. Just completely fabricated crime.

[Chris Ramsey]

Really.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And I don't know.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's pretty serious.

[Jeremy Corbell]

That's real. And so now talking to you, though, time dilation, we're not completely through that yet. So that just started being opened.

[Chris Ramsey]

By the time this airs, it might have been exposed.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, I don't know, man. This is going to take a little while. I apologize for this. So I don't know. And the reason I don't know is because my personal duty is to not harm where I live. And by telling the world what people in our country did to whistleblowers and who's involved, from the king all the way down to the soldiers, that could harm our nation's, in my opinion, security. You know, because it becomes a vulnerability for any adversarial nation to exploit if they know that we have dirty laundry.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So I don't know.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's interesting.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And so this section of the podcast might be sped up to nonsense because. I don't know. Let's find out. So now let me answer your question. Let's just get real terrestrial here, okay? What does it mean when whistleblowers or people are threatened by a multitude of private contractors as well as intelligence agency individuals? I'm going to say because there are bad apples in a barrel and the barrel is good.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Not to blame the whole agency.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right, Right. So. So what does that look like? Well, I think the way you define for me, in the world of magic, there are certain key elements of, like, a show. You broke some shit down for me this morning. Right. Like what your language is. Do people spell the word magic the same way? Kind of like that. Depending on the agency. Each agency has a Persona, so you can. You can say a. A CIA Persona feels like an orange mug that says the flying saucer. Okay. ODNI is like a glass of water. That's their personality. Doj, FBI. Odni, which oversees all intelligence agencies out of, like, let's pretend the 16 in the United States. Right. ODNI would be the top of that pyramid. Allegedly. Allegedly. ODNI would have oversight in a pyramid all the way down to every intelligence agency within the United States. Okay. Even ones that can only operate outside of the United States. So what does it look like? What? Depends on who you're asking about. So arrow is beholden or. Sorry, beholden? Yeah. I'd say beholden to the Pentagon, but I would typically say arrow is beholden to odni, and I could be wrong, by the way. So I'm just a bearded guy with tattoos who has a great mentor. I get things wrong all the time. So I'm telling you now, I believe this to be the case. When I think about it later, I'm gonna change my answer. So if odni, if ODNI is running and it's got arrow underneath and arrow's doing the pressurization of somebody, okay. That's going to have a distinct odor, feel, and smell. So the Way Arrow goes about it is they will have, for example, a colonel, and they will call, for example, a Navy, an active Navy guy. And the active Navy guy says, I decline to interview with you because I have said so. I'm going to somebody that did testify right now to be kind of safe about my words. But like Chief Wiggins, okay? He testified to the world, raised his hand, active Navy. So then Arrow, after the fact, under ODNI is my impression they would call him and he would respectfully decline an interview because he said, I told them everything I know. What are you interested in? And then Arrow would say, well, I'm not interested in people. I'm just interested in events. Right? So Senior Chief Wiggins would then be asked like, so who was with you in that room when that video was taken? Now, I know they're lying to him already because I provided them every name that was in that room, because I provide a lot of people every name because it's public record, because it's not a classified situation. Right? So now you've got this weird kind of pressurization that is beginning, and then if he declines again. And by the way, when they catch you on the phone and they pretend to be, like, driving in a car. They are driving in a car, but they're pretending like, oh, Mr. Magoo, everything's cool. They're weaponizing his answers to try to entrap him in something that isn't real. Right? They're. They're wishing because they don't know. And that's what's so cool. They don't know. So they're trying to create a situation to pressurize him. Why? Because ultimately they want to have. They want to be able to shape the emerging UAP narrative. So they want to have control of any naval person that would ever even dare to stand up and raise their hand about uap. Again, not that they're not going to let him. Yeah, they're just going to shape it.

[Chris Ramsey]

They have to. Yeah, yeah, they got to put out the fires.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, they need to have control of the burn. So that is one way that you apply pressure, and that is the inert way. Nobody can get in trouble. Nobody is getting in trouble. This is a high level thing. But what they're trying to do is spread a word on the wash that there are obstacles to you telling the truth in the Navy because things spread. Like when I kept.

[Chris Ramsey]

Commander, that's so subtle. Like, it feels.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm telling you the subtle one.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, it feels like that could almost be mistaken for. I Guess ignorance.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, I didn't finish.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Because then once you've declined and then your superior gets a call, and that call is simply, like, menacing. And then the superior says, well, what happens? Because the Navy's. So they got the backs of their sailors. They got the backs of them. That's true. That's fact about the Navy. So then the. We'll say senior person. I don't want to identify rank or whatever. They'll say, so what happens if he declines again? And the flex will be. Well, we'll go to Pete Hegseth.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

So they will go to, like, just flexing. That they have a direct line and,

[Jeremy Corbell]

you know his position.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. The Secretary of War.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. So that was their flex, which made me laugh. I got it. My sense of humor back when I heard that, man. Because that is the worst possible flex they could possibly do. Because it's such.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So now we're in the thick of that.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's like, I'll tell the teacher no.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, so I hate keep saying no, but yes and yes. And we are going to get the teacher to sit you in the corner and you will answer and you will interview with us, even though you've already said everything to the American public that you fucking know. And that's the end of story. Because they're trying to create a message that then flows through the Navy. Now, that is the inert. Right. I listed three types. Covert, overt, I think I said. And inert. Is that what I said?

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Play the tape back. Okay, so that is like the most simple version of inert. Right now you've got. We're talking about threatening witnesses. Is that what we're talking about?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Okay, well, I just want to know what they mean by that, because we've heard it a lot. We've heard about reprisals. We heard this and that. And it's kind of been like, never even, you know, when Grush talked about it. Grush has said that, you know, people have sustained injury and, you know, casualties have been taken, but, like, it's always kind of been vague. And I just want to know what exactly goes on with these interactions.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So it is always going to be vague because now we're going to move over from CO or we're going to move out from inert, and we're going to move to. I think we'll move to covert. Okay, so covert. Or should. What was the other one? I said overt. Overt. We can go to overt. Let's go overt and then covert. Okay. So

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[Jeremy Corbell]

You get a call and on the other end of that call is we are going to fucking kill you. Full stop. Hang up. That's just a start. Okay, that. That's over, right? Would you agree? That's over.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's pretty over.

[Jeremy Corbell]

We're gonna fucking kill you. Hang up now. That'll get in your head like a worm. Okay, so you get like a bunch of those.

[Chris Ramsey]

You don't know where that's coming from.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And let's keep going overt. You tell me if this is overt. You're at a bar and you're. You're there with friends that can read. I say they can read, they can read the room. Okay? Funny story about auntie. But anyway, they can read. And there is a violently murderous, quiet motherfucker just sitting by you and you can feel like pain Right. Like, it hurts. And you're like, oh, it's fucking in my head. You know, I can chill out, man. Get a sense of humor. Breathe, you know, it's fine. So you are so used to this that you go to the bar because you know all the locals and you just ask, have you ever seen this guy before? Nobody's ever seen this guy. Nobody serves there 10 years, never seen this guy. So you buy a beer, and you put the beer down right next to the guy, and you go, hey, man, I've never seen you around here. My name's Jeremy. Here's a cool sticker. It's a joke, but it's not. That's fucking flying saucer. You know, like that. And go. You live by hair and the mask. The charade just, like, vanishes. Totally unmasked, right? Totally unmasked. And you happen to have a reporter watching who can read. And the individual says something exactly like, yeah, just down the road. But like that. And you're like, cool. So bullshit. And then that guy would say something like, very, very threatening. Would stand up, walk away. Now, when I said. Let me clarify, I didn't say, like. I was like, come on, man. That was my version of. So that is very overt intimidation. Especially when you can find out later who that person was.

[Chris Ramsey]

You found out who that person was?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm saying especially when you can.

[Chris Ramsey]

Did you.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm going to decline to answer that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay, well, I mean, I'm sorry.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I mean, I need to hold something for myself.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

For my own.

[Chris Ramsey]

So you may or may not have found out who that was?

[Jeremy Corbell]

For my own sanity, sure.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So I'm not trying to be evasive. Give me the soda.

[Chris Ramsey]

Could you. Could you take this guy in a fight if it. No weapons.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No.

[Chris Ramsey]

He was big.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

A huge guy.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No way. I'm dead. So. Especially when. When. When your friend follows that guy because he can read and was hanging out by a car watching everything. Because I got good friends. I don't hang out with douchebags.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And they follow. And he notices that the guys. Because he's not like a trained guy. And when he notices, he walks up into the woods. Not yet. He walked up into the woods.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, that's creepy.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. So that's overt. Would you consider that overt?

[Chris Ramsey]

When you. When you called him out for bullshit, what did you say

[Jeremy Corbell]

the exact words were?

[Chris Ramsey]

Like watch your back or something? Or was it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, I think what I said was. I didn't say the exact words you said. I don't Recall what I. Yeah, you

[Chris Ramsey]

said, like, no way or whatever.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, yeah, I, I'm sorry. My brain. Yeah, whatever I said before, if I said it then it was in my mind as the exact. I don't want to put myself right there again because I'm just moving you through.

[Chris Ramsey]

Over. Yeah, you were like, get out of here.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So, so. No, no, I didn't say, get out of here.

[Chris Ramsey]

No. Like, when he said, you know, I live down the road, you called him out on it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right.

[Chris Ramsey]

Did he say anything back to you before he left?

[Jeremy Corbell]

And I already said it, and I. My brain is already.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, you didn't say what he said. You say what you said. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So let's just, let's just leave it at that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I want to move forward.

[Chris Ramsey]

All right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Um, I, I, I, I will do a disclaimer about my, my brain at the later.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's fine.

[Jeremy Corbell]

My memory.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, that's fine. I understand.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So I have to put myself there visually.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But I've already moved on.

[Chris Ramsey]

So, so now, Jeremy, first of all, as someone who spent time with you, like, I understand you don't have to keep explaining, you know, your, your, the way that you interpret how your brain works or anything. I get it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no, I know, but your audience doesn't know me.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, that's okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

I get it. And if they watch the movie, which by now they would have, they'll get a glimpse into who you are and how your brain works.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

And I think they can appreciate it, and I think, you know, just so that you don't have to feel the need to stop and address it all the time.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, but, you know, I usually have a pen and paper because I don't want to get off track when I answer your questions. I hate it when people don't answer questions.

[Chris Ramsey]

Of course.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But I need to take you somewhere so that you really understand it.

[Chris Ramsey]

You're pretty good at putting a pin in things.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so now here we are. Would you consider. I've given you two now would you consider that overt?

[Chris Ramsey]

I would consider that somewhere between covert and overt.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right. So now. Now we're there. It was covert before it was over. Okay. It became very overt. Okay. But so now I gave you one which is like the calls. Then I gave you one where the guy kind of starts off covert and then is over. Yeah. Now I've got another one for you to show you where the lines start blurring. So let's say you're standing somewhere and somebody, Mark. Bumps into you and marks you let's just marks you. We'll say, okay, I just want to

[Chris Ramsey]

be physically bumps into you.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Physically bumps into you. And like, you know, let's say puts something on you that marks you. Let's pretend it's a pin.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You know, bumping you. Next thing you know, you're wearing a pin. Okay. So then later you come to understand the meaning of that pin. Right. And so that is overt. Even though nothing is quite said now. So there's another version. We're getting into the real covert. Yeah, we gotta look around our bed.

[Chris Ramsey]

I'm making sure the camera's rolling. Giving you cover. Yeah, okay. I'm trying to be.

[Jeremy Corbell]

He's making sure the cameras are still rolling. There's a brand new camera. Chris Ramsey is nervous that the screen's gonna go out. Okay. Boom. All screens gone. Okay. So now we're kind of blending the COVID over. You know, you said brass knuckles. Sure. People get beat up, they get fucking killed all the time for what they know that does happen. And that's not just UFO related. That's like we have in the mob,

[Chris Ramsey]

there are thugs all over.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right. In the mob, you get killed simply because you know something. You will be murdered viciously to send a message. But sometimes when people just vanish, that is also a message to the people that need to hear the message. Poof, you're gone. You're McCaslin. Poof, you're gone. You're so and so. Poof, you're a guy at Los Alamos, you're gone. Poof, you were working on a science thing and all of a sudden, poof, you're gone. You're gone. You're gone. Question is, where'd you go now? We find bodies sometimes. Question is, is McCaslin a three body problem? Is he? Because there were two others that people are linking to him in some weird kind of way. And did it have anything to do with UFOs? I have no idea. I'm not read into that. But I'm just saying sometimes people vanishing is more of a message to those that need to know than if somebody gets killed. So the worst thing you could do is like Stab Dylan Borland in the neck 20 times in public. Because then that would make a lot of questions. So if you really were trying to hurt somebody, then the best way to do it is covert.

[Chris Ramsey]

Just make them go away.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, that's because remember, that's a big message too.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, it's a big message too.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right. So it would be covert. And the best way to get a result is to have people do it for you without them even knowing it.

[Chris Ramsey]

How do you mean?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so you've got somebody that is mentally unstable and already dislikes Chris Ramsey. We're gonna put it on you so you can feel it. Okay, so this guy is a UFO fanatic and this guy is unstable. And this guy fucking hates you, Chris. Okay, easy. This guy also has a history that history allows him to be close to intelligence. But he fucking hates you. And he ain't wrapped so tight. But that's why they chose it in the first place. For other jobs you have to be a little bit of sociopathic tendencies to be frozen, not loose cannon. They can't have that. Ask that guy that was in prison from the CIA. That dude who is famously a whistleblower about murders or sorry, about torture. What's his name? Come on, man, my brain. Kariakou, John Karriaku or something. So this guy was famously CIA and FBI tried to entrap him because he told the truth to the world, that we were waterboarding and torturing people. So he served out of choice, four years in prison as a CIA guy for, you know, disclosure going on the news of this fact because it was the right thing to do and he'd do it again. Right. So kind of reeling me back in to the story about you. So you've got somebody now that has close ties to intelligence, who is not a loose cannon, just has sociopathic tendencies, but is not sociopathic because you can't control those guys. Okay. All that needs to be done is to instigate, quietly, poke, prod, inflame, and then that person gets the bright idea to really hurt you.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So now that person is as an emissary, doing what's wanted by these intelligence agencies because he already doesn't like you, already has significant training and just needs a little poke and prodding. That's covert.

[Chris Ramsey]

Is that because you know those. Those type of psychological tactics, you know, is very reminiscent of like MK Ultra type, you know, behavior as well.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So I've heard.

[Chris Ramsey]

Is. Is there anything that leads you to believe that that is the case or is it a hunch?

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, I don't. I. I know with 100% factual.

[Chris Ramsey]

You were told outside of that person that this is happening by like some credible.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So the answer is yes. But hold on, let me process the time dilation and if I can ever be clear on this. Yeah, just let's pause the podcast right now. I mean, let's keep rolling, but just let me pause.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm going to speak Freely. But we need to check if this can be said.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. You will check that with me?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, a hundred percent.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so I'll speak freely. Ask my mom. I was told by an agency. Yeah. They brought a sincere, credible and urgent threat to my life to me. And so there's. There's some. I don't want to reveal certain words because then all of a sudden, that's the agency. You can imagine, but so imagine.

[Chris Ramsey]

I mean, there's not too many agencies here.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Imagine you have to sit down with your mom and your wife and. Because you've had to move twice because of threats to your life, most of them overt.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Some covert. Like moving into my new house and having it show up in a tabloid called dirt.com. okay, so. And only two people know because you bought it in a blind llc. And those two people, over three years, you found out for fucking sure they didn't do it. Then you found out who paid the $300 to get that ad in there. And that fucking sucks because. Because then you realize America's not what you thought it was. So let's reel it back.

[Chris Ramsey]

So the person who paid for the ad is a member of an agency.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So I can't prove that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right, but that's your hunch.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I would say. I know, but I still can't prove that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so. But, yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter. But here's the deal.

[Chris Ramsey]

But that's pretty significant.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, it's very significant to me in my understanding of the world. But let's get back to the Chris Ramsey threat and my mom and my wife. So you're sitting there and the FBI is informing you. You're informing them, too. But then they sidebar your mom, and they take that opportunity to tell her some truths. Right? They don't want to say it necessarily right there with me, but they kind of tell my mom what's up. Right. And the thing is that they really can't protect you. Because if there is an agency who is covertly pushing a psychopath to hurt you, Chris, and you were told that by someone you trust, meaning an agency that's supposed to protect you, that's what we're talking about as far as, like, covert using people, that is real. I know that is real because I have personally experienced it. But let's talk about the other witnesses and what's happened to them. I mean, I don't know where you want to go with this. I mean, am I making sense to you?

[Chris Ramsey]

You're making sense, definitely. And, you know, I Guess for me, it's, you know, I'm sure many people feel this way as well. You know, they want. They want specifics when it comes to this stuff. But I also understand that it gets sensitive around specifics because, you know, there are apparently lives at stake here and more than, you know, more lives than are publicly even disclosed. And so that's a.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Freedom of thought is at stake. Freedom of speech is at stake. Sure. Matthew Brown, his physical life before he went public. Oh, fuck. Yeah, was. I would say it was very clear that people didn't want him to come forward.

[Chris Ramsey]

So when you say that.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

What do you mean by that? Because when I hear that, I hear that a lot. It was very clear. And in the interview that you released with Matt, in both interviews with George as well, you, it seems to be agreed upon between the three of you that, yes, serious things have been implied and there has been sort of activity surrounding a threatening nature. But we're always just told that. We're never told the specifics. Is it because it's dirt? Is it like, what is it that. That they, that they have that.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, there's no dirt on that.

[Chris Ramsey]

No. But what, what I'm asking. Because I can only assume. Right. And. And it's always. It always seems like, oh, they're definitely threatening. But then we never get to hear like, you know, you said they called you and said, we're going to kill you. That I understand.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, that's. But that's overt.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's as direct as it gets.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, but a kid could do that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yes, but what I'm asking is at what point does it go from. It's actually happening to, you know, from an outsider's perspective, perceived paranoia.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, you know. Yeah. First of all, a perceived threat is as important as a real threat because it feels the same.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. So to the person. Oh, absolutely, you need to be pronoid or you're going to get paranoid. And you need to document everything fastidiously and check it with people who are not in your emotional state, like your federal lawyer. Like, for me, it'd be a bunch of people. Right. You also need to have evidence and proof. And so you. And you have to live that way. And living that way means that every moment of your life, unless you choose it to be, is documented, recorded audio, video pushed up to the cloud, spread out on servers, encrypted, and then spread out so anybody could see it if you ever say so or want them to.

[Chris Ramsey]

So you, you're saying that you have threats that are recorded Bro. Or that people, you know, have threats recorded?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, first of all, both.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Is the answer okay, I want to answer your question.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. And then let's move to my movie. So you, the movie opens with, if I recall, with a CIA veteran.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yes.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So let me, let me show you the, the shape of the orange cup now, which I said was CIA. Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Told you you were good at putting pins in things.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, I have tools. These are all tools for me to remember.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, you're good at that.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So my memory is this here's CIA. So CIA, if you meet with them and you know, first they try to enroll you as a patriotic American. Okay. But you're already enrolled. You're already like, I am. You know, I'm never going to hurt our country. You know, I'm going to do my best. And if I fuck up, that's on me, not on you.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. They don't like that so much. So then they're like, well, to enroll you, they want to give you incentive. Okay, so what does that look like? It's transactional, bro. It's simple, you know, maybe $10,000 a time. Now you have to understand too, I'm a, I'm a journalist, so I have different rules that I have to play by. And they have different rules in order to contact me. Some, some are like, there's a six month process for one agency. They're supposed to be rules. Okay. Also, CIA ain't supposed to be operating on American soil.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, that's true.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right? It is not true, but it is true.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, but I mean, that's supposed to be, that is supposed to be the nsa.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You know more than I do. So here we go. I mean, I, you know, I don't know. I just know that's a fact. So, you know, the thing is, people will get paid just to go talk to somebody just by like memorizing the streets of a small town. Right? Like, you know, they'll, they'll tell you we, you know, look for me, I don't give a shit because I get paid X amount of dollars just to memorize streets when I'm here, you know, but when it comes down to money. So CIA is the most covert. They're the most. I respect their methodologies because they never fully say what they're saying until they do. So at first it's like, enroll you. They, they can't enroll you because you're already enrolled. You want to protect America, you're a patriot, you live here. Then they'll be like, well, you know, people get paid. You know, it's a transactional thing. But you're like, oh, but I'm. I'm a journalist. And so, yeah, 100%. 100%. And then, like, you know, you don't even let people buy you a beer.

[Chris Ramsey]

No. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. Then when it gets heavier and they can't enroll you, and they can't incentivize you, the next thing they can do is make you uncomfortable. So an example of that would be you buy a house in a blind LLC, and then a magazine prints it, and there's only two people on planet earth that know that you're associated with this property, and you're moving because of a direct threat that has been proven to you, and you were informed about that. Then if that doesn't work, then the next thing is, hey, man, we really want to look out for you. And we are worried that just the bad guys, you know, like, other foreign nations, intelligence people, you know, they might try to honey trap you, man. You know, they might try to do this to you, that to you. But we, you know, we can, like, look out for you. So, you know, let us know. Let us know if something ever occurs like that. And then that shit they do, that does try to occur, you know, people. But, you know, you're on guard. You got friends with you. You have to live that way. So you got. They all eyes open. You make a joke, you say it out loud. You massad. You know, the whole thing. You didn't read my profile. You have to talk to me about my dogs first. You know, making jokes, making jokes. So then that's like, oh, fuck, you better report that to your lawyer. Like, you know, just the fact that someone was this close to you, you got to report that to your lawyer. You'd give that to doj. FBI, you'd go like that. Because you want everybody to know that fucking happened. Now the question is, and they affirm that that fucking happened, meaning you have your friend taking a photo of the Instagram of the girl when she's talking to you. So you then look at the Instagram profile, have her assumed name, pass it on to doj. Okay? So all of a sudden, you've got that kind of weird honey trap thing where it's just somebody's trying to get to you, real close to you.

[Chris Ramsey]

That seems exhausting for me. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, dude, bro, I'm done living like that. So. So that's part of why I told you I'm gonna be free, because I put my cards on the table. All 52, Chris. I might hold one, but that card ain't even supposed to be in the. That card right here, Chris. Ah. Okay. That one's not supposed to be in the deck. So now the next thing that occurs, because you ain't buying that shit, because here's why. Tell me if you already thought this, because if I can't operate on American soil, but Mossad can and does, then I might ask my friend to send their girl you tracking.

[Podcast Host]

Mm.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. That happens every day. And I'll finish it with this little honey pots. Not just that, we're talking all types of actions. So let me put it to you like this. There is an Upside down, and it is everywhere around you at all times. And the people that have trained officially and are part of it know that it exists. And it is the intelligence web that is constantly operating at high speed with time dilation. I mean, faster than you can think. Like, actually 100%.

[Chris Ramsey]

Like, when you're saying this, you're not just speaking in hyperbole.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, I'm speaking in hyperbole.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

There's no Internet under the ground.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, but I mean, time dilation, that.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no, no. I'm not going into weirdo land.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Whoa. I gotta be careful. I Forgot we're talking UFO shit.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, yeah. I'm 100% massively invested in weirdo land. So if you say. If you say they're using time dilation, I'm pretty convinced of that fact myself.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I have no idea.

[Chris Ramsey]

All right, you're not just entertaining my psychosis here. Okay, perfect.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I. I am outside of the scope of my knowledge base.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

If I said that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I have a theory base. We are talking theory right now.

[Chris Ramsey]

I thought you were gassing up my, you know, my insane mind right now for a sec, because I'm like, this

[Jeremy Corbell]

is what I want to talk.

[Chris Ramsey]

Let's talk about time dilation.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I hope I'm throwing. I hope you've got a fire burning in your brain, and I'm going to try to put it out with gasoline right now. So let's just finish this because this is way heavier than I wanted to start with.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So I want to, like, reverse it, you know, moonwalk from Z to A.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But I'll just finish this. This is. What you said the word hyperbole. Yeah. This is. I'm just explaining that. That thank God there is an intelligence network that is operating at all times. It's the Upside Down. You don't see it. And it's fucking happening all the time around You. And the only time it percolates to the surface or there's a puncture and you. And you see behind that veil is unfortunately, when you have to go into skiffs, when you've been involved, when you've had what I call badged contact, because it's literally badged contact. And they read your profile and they say, I got to talk about my dogs. You have to show them a video. You can't just do that. It has to be a video. And then you could talk to him because he's a journalist and, you know, he probably has a perfect audio memory that can be transmitted at any time verbatim. So just know that about him as well, because he always takes phone calls on speakerphone for the last more than 11 years now. And. And. And he's always talking speakerphone. So just know that about him. So that's how you approach. Right. So you have to understand. And now you do. Is that there is an upside down. And thank God there is. And it's so important. But the only time that we as normies, see a penetration or a poke, like the. The ancient Greeks used to say, stars were hummingbirds that would poke holes in the firmament. And that's what stars were. Right. The only time you get to see that I get to see that is when it's too late. When. When you've already crossed the Rubicon. Otherwise you have disbelief. You have the word you said, which is a weapon, which is paranoia, which I have never been one day in my life. Like the word conspiracy theorist is a dagger. It's a weapon. It's used to discredit you. But we can use those funny terms and we can make UFOs funny again because they should be.

[Chris Ramsey]

I agree.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. So that's just. Now that we've done the heavy thing and you understand at least that I believe what I'm saying to be true. Now we can lighten up. Talk about time dilation.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's. Yeah. Thank you for sharing all that. And I know, I know it's. Well, it doesn't seem easy to talk about, and especially, you know, after watching the movie. First of all, congratulations is a weird thing to say, but I didn't make the movie. No, I know, but the.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Michael Lazofsky made the movie.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, the movie is really good. Watch I. The art. Yeah. The artistic choices that he made were really in. Were really appreciated. I appreciated that.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You always want facts. You want specifics like you want.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure. I feel like in this movie the focus was More on the in between moments. And the in between moments were put forward as the main moments. And the main moments were kind of brushed aside. And I think that that's director or filmmakers approach to trying to find the authenticity. It is hard going in front of a camera and being authentic to say to someone, hey, just be real. Be authentic. Be yourself.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's never been hard for me.

[Chris Ramsey]

No. But I mean, in general.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Why is it hard?

[Chris Ramsey]

But in general, it is hard for people because people. Now you're conscious of the camera, and so you become self conscious and all of this. So one of the.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I get it.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. So a great way to go beyond that is, you know, this is something. I had a. I had a TV show we did one season of. And I was the executive producer and the creator of the show. And I remember we were doing some sort of hidden camera stuff because we wanted people to. Not hidden camera, but we wanted people to act naturally with cameras around.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Act naturally.

[Chris Ramsey]

Act naturally.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Hilarious.

[Chris Ramsey]

You know that? Exactly. It is. It is.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You can't be acting. You just have to be naturally.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, it is contradictory. But just sort of, you know that term, just act natural, which is hard for people to do if they're cognizant if the camera's around. So what we would do is the camera would be filming. And we noticed as soon as people yelled cut, everyone would relax and then they'd be themselves. And so we had a code word for cut.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Instead of being someone else, you had a code word for cut.

[Chris Ramsey]

So we had. We had a code word for cut. So when we said cut, it wasn't cut. It was cameraman, relax and look away while he's still filming. And then we get the real moments. Cause a lot of the moments we were like, what'd you. Can you describe what happened in that magic trick? And if the camera's there, they go, it was great. So, wow. It was amazing. You know, and then we're like, we can't use that. We need authenticity. And so we go, all right, we got it. Cut. And then we go, like, wasn't that crazy? They go, oh, my God, that was so insane. And they'd open up while we're filming, sort of slouched. And so what I'm trying to say with this is, during this, there were a lot of moments where, you know, there's a moment where you got very emotional, where you're like.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You said, that's okay years ago to me.

[Chris Ramsey]

I did. And you were like, cut this out, motherfucker. And you left the room no to me. And in this movie.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And he left that in the movie. Of course he fucking did me with tmz, too. Fuckers.

[Chris Ramsey]

But I also think that aside from that, there was also those in between moments with John Lear.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Hold on. I said fuckers in a good way. Like, I love you, Ryan. At tmz, you left it in, even though I was like, are you sure you want. So what happened with John Lear?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, with John Lear, it was much of the same. First of all, I didn't realize how much John Lear enjoys eating until we

[Jeremy Corbell]

cut out 90% of that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Every scene was. He was stuffing his face with something. It was unbelievable. He was either smoking a cigar or eating. And he was always. When he's eating, he's so consumed by what he's eating, he's just like. And he's. And he's listening. Half listening. He's like, yeah. And just back to. Back to food.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Did it capture the movie? Did you see a glimpse of his laughter?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You did. Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, yeah. Especially. Especially when. When he was asked, do you think you're nuts? Do you think you're crazy? You know, and. Yeah. Do you think you're nuts?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Warm nuts.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, exact. And he kind of brushed it off. And he's like, no. He's like, I know these things to be real. He's like, other people might think I'm nuts.

[Jeremy Corbell]

He didn't brush it off. He said, with absolute, like, pity on me.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, yeah. To him, it was all real.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Another laugh. There's another laugh that he gets. And I don't know if Michael put it in his movie, but let's. Let's myopic this for a second. Let's split a hair. Let's talk about Michael for one second. Because I've never been able to talk about this movie because it hasn't come out yet. This is the first time that I'm talking about this movie, and I don't know if I'm ever going to talk about this movie again. So I want to talk about this movie and about Michael. One other thing you said that I put a mental pin in. I want to come back to. But so Michael Lasofski, about being natural. So I wanted to ask you a question about being natural. I learned something about a camera. And I think that's what allowed me to never fear them or never know, just decline to admit them. Their existence. Cause I do. And you know me. And I have a purpose, and I use the camera like a weapon. So if I go on a news Show. I use that time like a weapon. And then I know the camera's going or whatever, but it's never about the camera. And there's a reason why. There's a reason how I got there. And I want to tell you that. But first, quick question. Why do you think that a camera inhibits acting normally or whatever? The word you said was after acting.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Why do I authentically, rather than just being with it? Why does that lens do that to people?

[Chris Ramsey]

Because you become self aware.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Why is that a problem?

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, it's only a problem for people who are afraid of how they're being perceived.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Exactly.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. So if you're.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Why do we. Why do we have fear about the way we're perceived?

[Chris Ramsey]

It's fear of not being loved.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Hold on, give me my brain a second. Fear of not being loved. Okay. Is it also fear? So yes. And is it also fear of being hated and ridiculed?

[Chris Ramsey]

Same one and the same thing. I consider the same thing. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so we're saying the same thing.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So agreed. Now we can move on.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

So, I mean, that was a really nice thing to watch unfold is these in between moments. There's a moment where John Lear's stuck in the kitchen with his wheelchair.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I can't get this out of my head. And then you go on with the wheelchair. So the reason why I don't fear the camera is because I learned from the first time I pointed it at somebody that in fact the opposite is true. That sometimes when you put a camera on someone, if it's that kind of person, it's like a pressure valve. The first time I opened a camera on someone, they told me shit that they had never even told their wife or their family. So my experience with a camera started for me on this end of it. And I realized that that's the kind of person that I want to interview. Cause I'm learning the stuff that is not supposed to be said or they felt it wasn't, and it was like healing.

[Chris Ramsey]

It was cathartic.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And I put that in a little box and I buried under the ground. And that person knows because I hyperbole. No, really?

[Chris Ramsey]

You really buried it?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I buried shit my whole life.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So I'm just making sure it's in the fucking.

[Chris Ramsey]

I know.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Finish the movie.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yes, but that's what I'm wondering. If you're. Are you referring to that as like a hyperbolic sort of anecdote or are you actually saying this is another thing I buried.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You're in Alice in Wonderland. Now, and there's no hope.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Remember, Lear said that. So here's the deal with that is that healing thing and my being on this side. I realized this camera is a passport. But I also realized that you have to act. The trick to being trusted is to actually be trustworthy. The only problem with trust is it doesn't end once somebody trusts you. You have to continuously reinforce, prove it, show the receipts and maintain it if you want a high level of trust. That's why I always tell people, if something I say sounds too fantastic, well, ask me right now. No preparation. And I will give you. I'll show you the receipt, but I brought a different phone if I can. But anyway, that is with me and my friends. We have this joke. We're all receipt. And it's not because we don't believe each other. It's because we need to know it's true. It needs to be reinforced. Like if miracles happen, Chris. And there was over 200 miracles. And, you know, because you've had your own miracle in magic, but you know that there's impact in the receipts. You would collect those and you would create a book and you would tell the world. So what I'm trying to say is that that relationship that I had to a camera, and then where I said, and I showed trust over and over, and I buried it, and I buried it and I buried it. Both hyperbole and not hyperbole at that time. What happens is that gets around. So when I kept Commander Fravor secret, when I could have been the person to break that story in the big scale, and everybody, including Fravor, started telling everybody, that kid kept my fucking secret. That spreads like a virus where all of a sudden everybody's got a contagion and that spreads and it's that this guy can keep his mouth shut. Because the biggest part of telling secrets is knowing how functionally and when to keep them. So now with the camera situation sorted that we've just sorted here on Area 52, you know, I think that you should feel authentic in front of a camera. And if you don't, don't get in front of one, because you can never take that back.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

That is something you can never take back. So anyway, with that said, now go back to your saying a funny moment.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, I mean, that's an interesting. You provide an interesting perspective, I think, into your personality as well, because you're clearly someone who has an ability to. You have the gift of gab, whether you think so or not. You have the ability to tell a Story in a very entertaining manner, in a cadence that demands people's attention. It's a. You know, when you speak, you have this. A rare ability where people lean in. They do.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

And some people. And this is for the people out there listening. Some people might think that's only for the camera because it's the only time you get to see Jeremy Corbell.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Gotcha.

[Chris Ramsey]

But I've seen Jeremy Corbell without the camera, and I think everybody who has met Jeremy outside of camera land understands that you're the exact same person. This is you off camera too. Um, but it might be mistaken for a lot of people to think, oh, this guy's being insincere. He's playing a part. No, that's Jeremy. Jeremy's being who he is on and off campus.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I can't be. I have not been able to be someone other than myself.

[Chris Ramsey]

And I can. I can confirm that since I've known you, like, that's. That's been who you are. And it's. It's a quirk that I've come to appreciate.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's a quirk.

[Chris Ramsey]

It is a quirk.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, my Lord, it is. This is too much self reflection.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, you're definitely.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Watch your podcast.

[Chris Ramsey]

You definitely have quirks. But, you know, it's an endearing quality, I think, in my eyes. But regardless, there is enough of me glazing you here is a very endearing quality to this documentary, regardless of, like, we spoke about this before I watched it and you're like, you said something to the effect of the first hour is just so you know who I am kind of deal. And then the last half hour is like, that's. That's the stuff.

[Jeremy Corbell]

That's what I think. I didn't make the movie, but when I had to watch it and endure it. Yeah, you know, I felt like. And you should ask Michael. Fucking Michael is the one that made it. But, like, it felt to me like he was just trying to make sure people understood that I mean what I say and I say what I mean, and that I'm worthy of your trust. I'm trustworthy. And then I realized that towards the end, he shows you some shit, and I think it's important, and I think that's why he set up the movie like that. But you're gonna have to ask him because for me, I don't have the same experience.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, there's. There's a. There's a few, like, really interesting artistic choices as well. The lighting, the music, like, okay, so let's Pick one.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So, like, I noticed the hands, right? So at one point, I throw my hands up as a young kid, and he cuts immediately to the same position. And I was like. I was like, what did I just see? And I'm like, shit. That kid's, like, putting some stuff in there.

[Chris Ramsey]

He has a lot of. A lot of footage to sift through to find that, too.

[Jeremy Corbell]

He is a master filmmaker. And that's what I realized. He's a. I've been through a process with him. I. I said, michael, there's no way. He's like, can I just have the drives? I'm like, I ain't gonna fucking trust you. You come into my life, massage. I'm like, I'm not gonna trust you. My wife's all, you gotta trust somebody. And. And she was right. Trust is a choice the first time. After that, it's repeated. So I gave him 20 years of footage. 99.9% I never put out. That kid has seen it all, except for what I didn't give him.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure. What was buried.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, I didn't give him stuff, but I gave him 99% of it. So he watched it all. So when I told him a story, and he's like, no way. He'd come back to me, and he goes, dude, it was cooler than you remembered. Check this out. And I was like, what the fuck? So I gave him 20 years of my footage. Then he. Stuff started happening, and then he's like, dude, we got to turn on the camera fresh. I'm like. I said, we're not doing that. And then he's like, we got to turn on the camera fresh. I'm like, I got to trust you. It was a trust exercise. So that kid, I just want to not get off him yet. Michael Lasovsky, right out of afi, I think is the term. Probably top of his class because he's an overachiever. Sincere sweetheart, but a very powerful man. Family, good, human. Worthy of your trust. I only put one. And I'll let him say it. I put one restriction on him for the movie, and I like leaving things undone. So you stay curious, and you should ask him what. The one condition I had was for him to make and use my 20 years of footage when you talked to him.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. There's a few choices there as well that I found really interesting as someone who knows you. One was he didn't cut around the fact you're cracking beers during this movie, and someone in your position might be like, hey, man, can you cut a few of those Out. I feel like I'm drinking a lot of beers on camera.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Really?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, maybe. But I think it shows once again, just who you. You're building, you're taking care of houses, you're cracking a beer, you're fixing stuff, you know, you're walking your dog. It shows you. Shows your mom, your relationship with your mom, you know, how close you guys are. Clearly, that comes across as well. And how much she cares about you, how much you care about her. That's very, very apparent.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I love her. I love my whole family.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. And it's very, very apparent. And so it was these small glimpses, and they weren't. I think, what a relief to me watching it was. They weren't all flattering.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

I think that that's good.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, I know that to be good because the last thing you want is a puff piece, right? You know, of you like, oh, that's not real. No, that's not real. Correct, Exactly. And this really showed. It really showed all the parts. So I was kind of really appreciative watching it from that lens and being like, oh, yeah, that's Jeremy.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Now I gotta kill the guy or what? What are you gonna show? Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, I'm gonna. You gotta thank him.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, I'm gonna thank him with action.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay, let's get into. First of all, I do wanna sidebar, go back to that pin that I put John Lear.

[Jeremy Corbell]

We got a whole map. Which pin.

[Chris Ramsey]

John Lear playing bumper cars in the kitchen was one of the highlights for me. When, you know, it is sad because you see his decline. You were there with John Lear through, you know, his unfortunate, you know, decline.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, we all decline.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, we do. But it is. It takes. It takes strength to be there, you know, and you see, you're fluffing up the pillows for him when he's shirtless on the couch. And, you know, all these type of moments, you know, that must have been. That must have been kind of difficult to witness and sit through.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, I loved John Lear. I love John Lear. He was a true friend to me in the capacity that he could be. He was limited in some ways. What really hurt was. But what really hurt was that I was his least favorite human on planet Earth. At least he tried to pretend I was. I probably was. But I'm might be a little delusional about that towards the end. And it made me really sad because even when we were friends, he'd get really mad at me and, like, yell shit, you know? And I couldn't find the voice messages for Mike was the one thing I couldn't find. But he would. Because, you know, everything in the movie you see is actual. That was the first time I drove to his fucking house. Was. We put the first time in because we said we're showing the first time. So that was kind of. I'm going to give you a hint. That was kind of the only condition is it. Fuck. I guess I'm just going to say it and see if Michael agrees. But I'm going to tell you, you may not do any movie magic. You may not put anything in there that isn't 100% accurate and true. That is down to the voice message of him telling me to get Philly Titans. Because now you're starting to understand me for a second here. Before I started filming with John, for some reason, I was recording almost every word that came to me at all times. Not a good way to live, bro. But that's how I have that message from John. So now you're getting a little insight into what I had said earlier back here in Time today. Is that everything in that movie is exactly as I say it and as you see it. And that was the only thing about Michael. Cause the thing about me with movies, I've always wanted to make one that fucks with Pete. I wanted to make one that seems real and is real, but has a weird undertone of the perforation and the fucking hummingbirds touching the fucking firmament to look like stars. But I've never done that because I started with a movie called Patient 17. And I was shocked, Very shocked. Then. Then I started. Then I went in on the, you know, Skinwalker movie, which is perplexing. And then Lazar. So I've never been able to make that movie. I want. And I'm. I think I'm done making movies, right? But Michael's movie, because it was partially my movie, because it was my footage, it has to be fucking honest. Brutally. Everything accurate, authentic and honest. Did he achieve his goal? Did he get it? Did Michael get it? Was he honest?

[Chris Ramsey]

Are you asking me?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, I'm asking you.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, I don't know.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's for you to know. Well, I know it seemed honest, but

[Jeremy Corbell]

maybe you'll find out.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, no, absolutely. There is a. I remember one part that I really liked, too, was this character that John Lear had been chatting with. The guy who told him about the afterlife. I forget. Sleeper. That's right. Was it Mr. Sleeper or just Sleeper or whatever it was.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I like that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Sleeper, He's a Sweetheart, by the way. He is an absolute sweetheart.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I feel kind of bad. That's the one part of the movie I feel kind of bad about. Because what Michael didn't say in the movie, he told what I felt.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

He told that I thought that it was a lie.

[Chris Ramsey]

It was a lie.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I think a knowing lie. But sometimes, like husbands and wives, they say these little pretty lies to make the other. And the other one knows that they're lying. So Lira's dying. Yeah. And Lear knows he's gonna die, and

[Chris Ramsey]

he's telling him, you're gonna go to heaven.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Sleeper gave him a ticket, bro. Sure, he gave him a ticket. So I felt like that was a knowing lie. I hope that's how the movie portrays it, because what happens is in reality, too. Sleeper is a really. The limited exposure I have to him. Very amazing, authentic, sweet, human. And he's not a liar. He's not a liar. So when that thing came up in that movie, it made me kind of squirm, but I'm kind of going, that's true, too. So I just wanted to caveat that before your audience is going to see it. So I got to caveat that, which is that when I. That really ungrounded me. And in comes the anchor. Like, the news anchor who's an anchor and a totem pole. George. Nap.

[Chris Ramsey]

I was just going to say there's a moment where that guy where you set the camera and you have him walk into the hotel and sit down, and then he immediately goes, how was that? Was that good? You're like, yeah, that was great. Seemed really natural, and that stayed in. And it's those moments that I really liked about this documentary, but I do

[Jeremy Corbell]

that, too, is like I make sure, like, I give somebody what they're looking for. So I don't think that says a lot about him being uncomfortable. I think it says more that he makes sure I got.

[Chris Ramsey]

Of course, I just like that the. The artistic choice of leaving that in versus starting on the talking head.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Understood. Sorry.

[Chris Ramsey]

Because you start on the talking head. That's what everybody does. And he had him walk in, sit down, and be like, did you get it? Yeah, we got it. And then nothing.

[Jeremy Corbell]

That's what we're talking about.

[Chris Ramsey]

And then. And then we cut out his entire interview. All we took was the authentic walk in, the sit down, the trying to act normal, and that's it. And I thought that was really endearing. And so it was those little moments that I really enjoyed.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Michael.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, he's.

[Jeremy Corbell]

He's great.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. It's a great choice. It was a, it was a refreshing take on, on, you know, you, you watch UFO documentaries, you think you know what you're going to get and it's not at all what I thought. And I liked, I liked the surprise there. You know, there's all this going on. There's the Edgar Mitchell stuff, which I thought was really interesting. You know, you kind of see that back and forth banter slightly between Edgar Mitchell and John learning and you know, the mutual respect which he talks about, but also this sort of like disagreement on the moon landing for obvious reasons, which, which is interesting. You have, you know, what's his face. Colonel John Alexander.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And with Lear eating. And Lear's eating, wearing a tin foil hat at the Atomic Testing Museum. And in the back.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh yes, it's, it's, it's Lear and Alexander, not Lear and Mitchell. That's right, yes.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And, and we get, yeah, it's, it's Lear and Colonel John B. Alexander. And Lear's there as an agent provocateur with a top hat. That's fedora. It's a top hat. That is a tinfoil hat at the Atomic Test Museum. And somebody says something like, is there food here? So he's eating because that, that's the truth. That's what was going on. And then if you look really closely, tell me if I'm wrong, world. But I think, I believe there's just one glimpse. And also because I just haven't watched the movie much, but I believe Nick Pope is sitting far away at a table, sitting there. And I believe, I believe that maybe his first or one of his first. That was my first encounter of ever seeing or meeting him, if it was that time. And man, he was in this bathroom before and he was so nervous and I had never met him, so I'd seen him before, obviously, so he must have been out there. But he was so nervous and I look at him and I go, bro, are you nervous? I dream. Words just come out of my mouth. What a cool moment. And you said, Edgar Mitchell, time dilation. I don't know what you saw in that movie, but what you didn't see was, oh, I don't know, the hour and a half phone call where he made me sit in a room with his psychic on the telephone.

[Chris Ramsey]

Edgar Mitchell's psychic?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, Edgar Mitchell had a psychic and he talked to her weekly. And there's an hour and a half he knew was being recorded as an hour half of me sitting there and the psychic who felt like a charlatan to me, was trying to convince him I was the reincarnation of his son who had passed away.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, my God, bro, it's on tape.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Play a tape back. Moonwalk Z to A. I'm just saying there's a compression. I'm sorry I keep cutting you off. I'm just really pumped up in this coffee again. Is this atomic?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, it's. What's the. What's the old paint they used to use?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Iridium.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. I mean, there's a lot of those little moments that are kind of cool because you see glimpses. People don't really realize how involved you were with documenting UFO personalities. You know, you get to see a lot of colorful personalities come in and out of John Lear's home, you know, which is really, you know, kind of sheds some light on, you know, the figures in this community. But also, you see a small glimpse of your interview with Oscar Wolf.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, yeah. You see a little handshake.

[Chris Ramsey]

A little handshake. And most people don't know that you filmed that, because I think, if I'm not mistaken, that was Richard Dolan's. Richard Dolan was on camera with Oscar Wilde. That's right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Because he was and is a thoughtful authority figure.

[Chris Ramsey]

Absolutely.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And nobody knew my face. And so we were like, damn, what do we do? We need somebody who knows shit, who can ask smart questions, because I didn't know what to ask the guy. What a great opportunity. And it was Reuben Langdon who set that all up. And Ruben Langdon did the Citizen hearing on disclosure in 2013. He is the force behind it. He is the producer, the Citizen hearing. A lot of people point credit to a bunch of people for it. No, it was Reuben fucking Langdon. Ruben Langdon literally went bankrupt because of misappropriation of funds. And everything that was going on came to me like a life raft. Said, dude, I need help. I need a brother. Like, we are in a bad situation. I am losing everything. And I said, as long as your past interactions don't harm me in any way, I will. I got you, bro. But you. We need to literally sign a document that says none of this will spill over to me. And, you know, I have my businesses, my life, my livelihoods, all this stuff. I'm not. UFO land can wait. Ruben Langdon is the unsung hero of the Citizen hearing and Oscar Wolf. So he is a guy with a story, and people will see that interview online, Right? And it is Richard Dolan, because he's a badass gangster, knows what he's talking about, and is Also heartfelt. That does the interview.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. And for those who don't know about this interview, you should definitely go check it out. But this is the one that Danny Sheehan refers to as, well, about this gentleman being on his deathbed.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

And, you know, saying that he was at S4. He spoke, he saw an alien. He saw what he perceived to be some type of extraterrestrial on the other side of a glass and, you know, had cue cards with questions on him and whatnot. Like this whole. He went underground at S4. There was floating UFOs.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Not at S4 or. I don't. I don't recall my memory. Okay. I don't recall. But let me tell you something. People don't know. It's a more important part. This has never been said that I know of. Maybe I've said it before, but what people don't know, if they don't know, I film that. What they also don't know is that he was, like, on dialysis or something like that for his kidneys. That's what was killing him. That he didn't have very long to live. We're talking weeks or something. It was told to us like, this is the last chance. And it was like a family member of his who kind of made it work. His wife violently did not want him to do this interview because of her religion. And what happened was this guy gets up out of his dialysis. I think it was dialysis out of this thing where he needs a machine. We get him in the room, he does this interview, and goes right back to the hospital type situation he was in. So think about this. This guy is going to gain nothing, you know, unless he's a plant trying to confuse it. And they're like, we're going to hurt your family after you die if you don't do it. That's always an option. Okay? But I believe from knowing the guy for this much time and being in that room, that he told it like he experienced it and knew it. And that even being an older guy with health problems, he was sharp as a dagger. And I can attest to that. I tested him. He's sharp as a dagger. And he went against the wishes of his most beloved for the fundamental reason of religion. She was against it, her religious views. And he is there, and he does the interview. That's his mic drop. Then he dies. That is one deathbed confession that saw the light of day. Now, I've been in many of those exact experiences, and some people are not dead, and other people are dead. And yet it is not appropriate, nor did they ask me to put stuff out. That shit's buried, and here's why. Let me just defend myself, because people are gonna be mad right now. If what I'm saying is true, which it is, people be mad. What people might not yet understand until the words are spoken, and hopefully they do, is that when somebody tells you a secret and tells you to keep it secret, unless you can't anymore, then you do just that. You keep it secret till you c A N T. Can't. Okay? Because it's not just the person talking. And to be. Sorry. I'm gonna bring it out of Dr. Seuss world right now and be very direct with you. Got a Sam's Cafe pizza. Order up. Mm, mm, mm. You know the best part about this spicy Italian sausage?

[Chris Ramsey]

I voted for this topping.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, just another perk of being a member. Come join us, Sam's Club. Close your eyes.

[Chris Ramsey]

Exhale. Feel your body relax. And let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[Podcast Host]

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[Jeremy Corbell]

And breathe.

[Podcast Host]

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[Jeremy Corbell]

Visit 1-800-contacts.com today to save on your first order. 1-800-contacts. If people have access to the closest guarded secret in human history that has been held back from the American and global public since they could hold it back. UFOs, what they represent, what they're a part of, if somebody has close proximity to that, A, you'll never know their name publicly. Good. Try never. B, they will be quiet. They will not be the ones you expect. And there's a reason they're put in that position. Because they are worthy of your trust. They are trustworthy. And usually, if it's military, they were born into that position because their fathers were trusted with this secret. And sometimes their father's fathers were trusted with this secret. Now, here's the rub. That person dies, you know, they procreate. And you know that their kin are also in a position of trust. So you release this, and I get chills.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Do you understand? Does your audience understand?

[Chris Ramsey]

I'm sure they do.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So sometimes to tell secrets, you need to keep certain ones, right?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. That's interesting. The Nepo situation in the Legacy program.

[Jeremy Corbell]

What does that word mean? Nepo?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Nepotism.

[Jeremy Corbell]

What does Nepotism mean.

[Chris Ramsey]

Nepotism is getting something basically based on a relationship. So you're getting ahead in life.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, but sometimes people are highly qualified to receive that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Of course, of course. But, but for the most part, you

[Jeremy Corbell]

know, sometimes better than their dads at acting.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, sometimes. But sometimes, you know, it's, it's, it's, it doesn't hurt. It's a bit of a derogatory term that people use.

[Jeremy Corbell]

That's what I feel in that I don't think that's fair.

[Chris Ramsey]

It.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Not always, but sometimes it is.

[Chris Ramsey]

I think so.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. Well, you have to live in someone's shadow is what I say. We say terrestrially sometimes they're big shoes to fill. We say terrestrially, right?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But sometimes people that are doing that, they're just. All they're seeing is their own big ass shadow thinking it was their daddy's. And that's the thing. I've noticed. I got a musician friend and his dad's got a gigantic fucking shadow, bro. And so this musician guy, you know, was kind of thought he was living in his, his father's shadow. But indeed he's now realized, thank God that it was his own big ass shadow. And so now you're going to hear his voice again.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Nice.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, like, let's go back to UFOS.

[Chris Ramsey]

I want to go back to UFO. Certainly want to go back to UFOs.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Am I derailing you?

[Chris Ramsey]

No.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, I like this.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I like the train.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. I like dynamic conversations and some people.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But we're not being sporadic. Right.

[Chris Ramsey]

I don't know, who cares?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. But I just, I hope that, you know, we can have a logical, straightforward conversation.

[Chris Ramsey]

We can have any type of conversation we want. Don't worry about it. Whatever. Conversations. To be quite frank, in the words of Rick Rubin, the audience comes last. Right?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Did he say that?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

What a genius.

[Chris Ramsey]

Because you gotta think about the task at hand. You gotta think about what you're doing, what you're passionate about, all that stuff. After you do that, if you do that, the audience will love it. Hopefully. But even if they don't, it has to mean something to you for you to do.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Rick Rubens. Rubik's Cube, bro.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, he's got some good thoughts.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay. And love the audience, by the way. Yeah. Don't be addict. Not trying to be a dick to the audience.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I think they paid for this set, bro. Unless it was a billionaire. You're not telling us, Ramsey.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, definitely not.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I know. You mean you self made.

[Chris Ramsey]

You mean daddy Teal.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, Daddy. Teal, let me ask you something. So your brain that I'm seeing outside of the closed skiff here, your brain that I have been beholding for more than 20 or almost 24 hours. Okay. Like, you created this. You weren't, like, through Neo, but you're not a Neo baby.

[Chris Ramsey]

A Nepo baby.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You're not a Nepo baby.

[Chris Ramsey]

No.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Might be a Neo baby, but not a Nepo baby. So all of this is your brain and you're going to say. And the team of people I work

[Chris Ramsey]

with, and, yeah, mostly mine. I'll say most of mine.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's impressive to see what you've created. Don't fucking stop.

[Chris Ramsey]

Thank you. And I won't. As long as my creative passion keeps getting fulfilled and my love for being creative is renewed, then I will continue being creative and passionate. But as soon as that ends, you gotta change gears.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Change gears?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, Like I did. Going from magic to puzzles to this.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But you never left that gear behind. So I've left some gears behind.

[Chris Ramsey]

It might seem that way for you to people.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no, I. I know. I know. You've never.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, to me, it's. It's the same trajectory exactly.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So these are all manifestations of a singular thing that all those things were born from. But here you are in this skiff now. I love it, dude.

[Chris Ramsey]

But enough about me.

[Jeremy Corbell]

This is.

[Chris Ramsey]

This is the pro interviewer who turning it on me.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I thought you said we're just talking.

[Chris Ramsey]

We are just talking, but I do have a lot of questions about this movie.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'll let you get to them.

[Chris Ramsey]

One point, I mean, which, you know, there's a lot of footage of Bob Lazar in this movie as well that I've never seen, which was really interesting. And, you know, there's that moment where you're in the woods with Bob, and Bob go, and you ask him flat out, you know, did you have a piece of 115?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

And Bob says, I did. Tell me about that day.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, shit. Okay. Well, first of all, Bob said that a bunch already. That's nothing new. And I think that's funny if people think so. Bob's told you it's all over everywhere. At one point, if you believe Bob Lazar, he had a piece. And how we know that is George Knapp is a witness to that in that the container that the 115 was held in was on the mantle of one of the interviews that George Knapp did as, like, an Easter egg. It was next to some aerogel. And there's no secret that Bob had a piece of 115. At one point, right? He even. At one point, I think George has told this story. But at one point they did analysis a cloud chamber test just to see if Bob. Bob was curious. He's like, can I get a reaction in a cloud chamber test to see if it actually does bend a laser? It does bend light. I mean, this is straight out of that movie with like Val Kilmore. Genius. Real genius. Do you remember that 80s movie?

[Chris Ramsey]

No, I don't.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You're welcome. So you're welcome. Real genius, the movie. So this is straight out of that. So Lazard as a test, right. It is no secret that at one time Bal Bazar had obtained a piece of 115. So, yeah, in. In the movie where I fast forwarded, there's a lot that the world will never hear, I don't think, unless Bob says it. But, like, there's no secret in that. So you asked me about that day, though, and that's a can. So let's just open it. Okay. So I'd been filming with Bob a bunch, but that wasn't easy. We're not going to get into that. One day he says, are you coming out or not, essentially. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll come out to Michigan. Let's do that. But I didn't want to ask and then get denied. So I really carefully just took my one camera and I put it underneath all of my clothes and I fucking went out there. And it's like this really awkward thing and I'm there. It's late at night and there's Joy and the pups and we're there and I'm in the living room. I remember this. And then finally I just said, bob, like, why? Why am I here? And he goes, what do you mean? And I'm like, are you gonna let me now turn on the camera so that the world can hear from you and not the bullshit about you from other people? And he goes, of course. That's why we're here. And it was this weird thing where I had become friends with him, but I didn't wanna disrespect that moment. I wasn't sure why. It's obvious, I guess, now. So I had my camera, my one or two cameras, and we filmed on that particular trip you're asking about was like a breakthrough. It was like he was ready to throw down for himself and you have to rewind the tape, bro. I mean, he had never talked like he did in that room with me and John Lear. He had never asserted himself in that way on camera. I know there are vehicles not made on Earth. I know they're made from a material we cannot duplicate, we cannot replicate, and we never have been able to. Now he goes, I was inside one. Now I was inside one. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That had never existed on camera. I'm not sure it existed in him yet. That assertiveness, that fucking pissed off ness. Anybody that knows Bob knows that he is a fucking fighter. He is a really strong human, stronger than people know. But because he's Bob, which only means someone to someone that knows him, because he's Bob, he doesn't feel the need. He doesn't feel the need to prove shit to you.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, he really doesn't care.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, he doesn't care. But you only know that because you know him. So now there I am and we're fucking doing it. Which, you know, which means like 4th of July, we take my fucking cool ass drone that I brought and we try to explode it, you know, with like fucking fireworks. But then we walk into the woods and you know, woods meaning like on his property there. And this was the day before I left, which is important. We'll get back. We'll get back to that. First whole day I filmed with him, by the way. My car just took a shit that night and it's never to be retrieved again. I tried for six months. So, you know that's kind of funny, right? First entire day, of course, at his labs. Yeah, yeah, took a shit. Never get it back. And when I say took a shit, I'll tell the truth. I think I fucking hit delete. I was so nervous that night.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, no.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And just. Yeah, yeah, I deleted it. So there you go. Truth's out, nobody asked. So I never had.

[Chris Ramsey]

Was that really you or was that something acting through you?

[Jeremy Corbell]

You know, bro, it worked out perfect.

[Chris Ramsey]

It did work out.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. So we're in the woods and just real talk, you know, got a camera, you know, put the phones way, way, way, way far away. We talked about a lot of stuff. And that's for Bob to talk about, not for me to talk about. But it was like an insurance policy, you know. I believe you have to ask him if he wants to even talk about it. So there's nothing that you see in my movie, Bob, Area 51 and Flying Sausage, you see this sped up, if I recall. Like, I don't think I've watched the movie since I put it out, but that clip and others I've put out that were kind of hit the Cutting room floor, as they used to say. Right? But Bob acknowledging He had 115, he's done acknowledged that a thousand fucking times. Other people have been on. Other people were there. They've all talked about it. That's not news, bro. But what people should understand is what happened next. Because it's real and it happened. And if you don't understand that, you're not seeing reality. What happened next is I filmed for another day. And we're at his store, call it like it is a laboratory and a store. It was in Michigan. And I pack up the camera, say goodbye, get on the plane, get home. I arrive at Burbank Airport. It's late, really late. So I go stay at my mom's place in Encino. And all of a sudden my phone starts going bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Like that, just like crazy text. I fucking told you, Jeremy. It was Gene Huff. I told you this would happen. I told you this would happen. And like George Knapp being like, motherfucker, I told you this would happen, motherfucker. Because they're protective of Bob. And then there's this guy saying like, talk loudly, talk loudly. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Get some photos. Photos are of an FBI raid. I'm in the bathroom, like all that stuff that's real. I didn't make that up for my movie. And everybody said that, everybody said I staged an FBI raid for my movie. Then they found out it was a real FBI raid, it was a multi agency raid. Then they said, well, they Weren't looking for 115 totally unrelated, nothing to see here. Move on. Okay. Except I know that factually to be true, that that was what they were looking for. How you're going to have to ask Bob and then if he wants to tell you, he'll tell you.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But essentially covert because that was the

[Chris Ramsey]

second time they raided Bob's house.

[Jeremy Corbell]

At least.

[Chris Ramsey]

At least, right?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Because in New Mexico they raided him and the reason that they gave was like shipping of hazardous materials. However, has Bob ever told you or Joy ever told you that the reason they were able to do that was because they were being do girders and said, well, we got this company and we're shipping all of these things and we might as well file the paperwork because I think there's a new law coming. They were ahead of the curve and that exposed them to the opportunity to raid them under that, you see? Awesome. Is that the word? Okay, so then now. So I'll put it. I am convinced that it was for element 115, it's not a retraction. It's a refinement. I am convinced, and there's reason for me to be convinced. Now just talk to Bob about it, see what he wants to say. But I'll tell you this. They grid it off every three feet of his space. They were really going through stuff, put it that way. They even mirrored his computer, which was very interesting to me and Bob. I'll leave it there. So now they mirror his computer. Still people are saying, I don't want to believe. I don't want to believe is what they're really saying. They're saying he got raided because some chick died because of some material, and this guy was a client, he might have the client list. If you talk to anybody in the FBI, which I called a bunch of friends in the FBI, and I asked them, is this usual? Nope. Is this normal? Nope. Is this protocol? Nope.

[Chris Ramsey]

You just.

[Jeremy Corbell]

What you do is you walk in and you say, hey, Mr. Lazar, there was somebody that died from a super heavy element, or not, you know, sorry. Died from a rare element that is toxic. And we see that, you know, you on your site, you sell this. But by the way, it's this tiny little sliver that couldn't hurt a fly. Like in these little collector's packs, right, that you can buy anywhere. So you call them and you say, can I have the list of your clients? And what. Exactly what they ordered that are associated with this federal case. And then Lazar goes, of course. Of course you can, right? That's not what happened. They fucking locked his shit down with. In a tiny ass town way smaller than your snow globe. Way smaller. And they locked that down and they fucking tore it apart. They went through everything, mirrored his computer. It's like beyond overreaction. It was a. It was a message. It was a message to him because they knew for sure that, like, if he ever did have possession, he would never have it in Michigan. You know what I mean? So. So there you are. Now, people still didn't believe, but there was what they call an assisting report of local, where they're assisting federal. And if you look at that report, what you're going to find out was the day before and the day of both his home and his business had the opportunity to be surveilled. Something happened that day in those woods that didn't make sense until you played the tape back, you know, like in your mind. So my point is, that day you asked, I just described to you that day. That's what it was, it was a realization moment for all of us. For me, for George Knapp, for Bob. Because the hilarious thing that you don't see is later in the woods in that footage. I don't think you ever see this. I go, bob, are you worried at all? For your personal safety? And maybe I'll find this clip now and I could put this out. If Bob says okay, but basically he says, no, my life has been great. It's been smooth sailing. I love my life. I don't want any disruption. I just want peace. I think they've forgotten about me, which is good, because I'm not doing shit. I don't want to be involved. That was like that sentiment was recorded.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

At the very end of that in the forest. I've never put that out. Holy fuck, was he wrong? Was he fucking wrong. And we all who, when we love somebody, we care about them as a friend. We all want them to have what they want if it's good for them. And for Lazar, it's peace. Right. So the worst thing he could do is let somebody make another movie about him. It's the worst thing he could do. Or is it the best thing that he could do? And I'm going with that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, I think, I think, you know, this is his final attempt to just be like, here's everything that I'll ever give you at all. Like, let's get it all out of the way. Let's go into the base. I'll reconstruct the base for you, the ship, everything. Well, I'll tell you what these people look like. I'll do this, I'll do that. I'll just give you everything. That way you can just leave me alone.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And you know that he's fucking wrong.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Because it's just gonna make people more hungry. Oh, come on, bro. You know that's true.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, I, I, so I see it both ways. I do see how.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Of course you do.

[Chris Ramsey]

He would. Once you give it all up, you think to yourself, well, I can't give you anymore. Of course that's going to make people hungry. Of course that's going to stoke the flame of people's curiosity. But I also think it's a valiant effort on his behalf and a very brave step to take to A, relive everything, B, dig it up and let people go through it again and see, try to go on with his merry existence. You know, post releasing a massive, you know, sort of project about, about his life.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Will this be good for him?

[Chris Ramsey]

I wish nothing but that for Bob,

[Jeremy Corbell]

Will it be good for him?

[Chris Ramsey]

I think Bob knows that. And this is before the movie comes out.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. We're gonna know by the time this airs if it was good for him as a human.

[Chris Ramsey]

Bob's a smart guy. I think he knows there's a storm coming.

[Jeremy Corbell]

There is a storm coming.

[Chris Ramsey]

And, yeah, I think he knows that. And I think he's, you know, like, we'll definitely see what happens. But, you know, there is no better antiseptic than daylight in a lot of these cases. And that's Bob's number one reason for coming out in the first place in 1989 was exactly. Just put it out there. And I think that's his way of doing that again, in a way that, like, also appeases people who just nag him for more information. Perhaps appeases a lot of the skeptics out there who had questions about certain aspects of the story.

[Jeremy Corbell]

He doesn't care about that.

[Chris Ramsey]

No. But also, you know, good riddance if that's the case. And if they're. They'll never be satisfied. But if some of them, you know, end up. If I could say this, you know, and the movie's been as people have seen it, but anyone on the fence. Anyone on the fence at this point watches that movie and goes, oh, no,

[Jeremy Corbell]

I haven't seen it.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And I don't know.

[Chris Ramsey]

And you will see it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I know.

[Chris Ramsey]

But anyone on the fence is now, you know, you've no reason to be on the fence anymore.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. That's cool. If the movie does that. Yeah. But that's my greatest fear for Bob.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

My fear is that more people will believe him because it's true. And my joke is, oh, Bob, look. What if everybody did believe you? How horrible. That would be horrible for you because the questions will never end. I do hope that he maintains a sense of Bob Ness, you know, in the sense of, like, he has what he needs, which is peace. Like, I don't think he gives a flying flag. Fuck what you believe. I know that should be true. And so, anyway, just look.

[Chris Ramsey]

But all this is in the past because the movie's already out.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Time dilation.

[Chris Ramsey]

And it's already out there and Bob's doing well.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

You know, we could say that because we're in the future now and Bob's doing well.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I can relate to it in the sense that the only reason I'm letting this movie come out is because I

[Chris Ramsey]

believe in this movie. You're talking about your movie.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. Yes. No, I'm talking about the movie about Me. Oh, yeah, right. That Michael made sure. So I'm just. I think the reason to do it is so that it's all out there. It's honest. It will leave people with big questions and they should be asking those questions.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, it's not all out there. You did hold some cards close to your chest and.

[Jeremy Corbell]

One card.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, there's a few. Okay, I want to. Yeah, well, I want to get to that as well. Obviously, the culmination and the pinnacle sort of moment, the critical mass of this movie, the where. Where it ends up peaking is you dig up this lab, this. This USB key, you plug it into your laptop. Now you're sitting in some abandoned park, you crack open the laptop.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I remember.

[Chris Ramsey]

And now we get to see. And here's the interesting part, too. This is a little subtlety to, you know, how guarded you are about this information. We're only seeing an over the shoulder view from the camp. We're not seeing the actual footage. You didn't, I assume, give access to that footage to anyone, which is why you're there showing it on camera, on your laptop versus.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But you're wrong. You do see some footage in the movie. You just forgot.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, you see the whole footage. I thought it was just cropped in, sort of.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no, you see some, some.

[Chris Ramsey]

You see some glimpses, you see the footage, but.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And it's not about the footage.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, but you don't. Do you see the actual file?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, yeah. You see clips of like. Let me give you an example. Okay. Because.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, yes, you do.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, I'm remembering now. My bad. Because a lot of it was like sort of over the shoulder. But then there are some things he punches.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I think it goes back in and it gives you what you think you want.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right. So, okay, let me start this again. You're at the park bench, you crack open the laptop, you put the USB key in. Now we're seeing this massive trove of files that you've been collecting. All sorts of very interesting file names. I must have paused it 12 times to just look at the names of the files.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Did you notice how I am dyslexic and misspelled a word three times?

[Chris Ramsey]

I did not.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Anyway, I did. And the funny thing was this. No, don't change anything. It has to be true. And so. Yes, continue. I'm with you. I'm remembering it.

[Chris Ramsey]

A lot of very intriguing footage. Now, my question to you is, does this footage also come out when this movie does?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, weird question. Hold on. Let me wrap my brain around that for A second? No.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Because some of it. First of all, we're talking about footage, so we've missed the mark, so let's.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, I want to. I want to talk about the footage first.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so the footage, yeah, you should have recognized some of it already.

[Chris Ramsey]

I have, yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so that tells you that some of it was worthy of public discourse. You would see nothing that would harm national security, even in. Especially in a movie.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yep.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. Will more full versions of some of what you've seen come out? Yeah, unless I'm fucking stopped.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

That is my intent as a journalist with George is to put out everything

[Chris Ramsey]

we can because there's some interesting stuff there, obviously.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. But part of this is a shield, like I'm trying to practice journalism in America. I have been very clear with every agency of concern that as journalists we believe we are living under the First Amendment. Right. And we also believe that we have been pretty trusted because we haven't fucked up and we don't intend to. And that we have a methodical multi year process, not just to protect sources, which is the. A number one things protect a source, especially when they do not. But it is also like protect America, but it's also like the truth fucking matters and that's our duty as journalists. So George and I did make a decision and you actually got to see the moment that decision was made that was real, that happened just like you saw it and we made that decision. So yes, Chris Ramsey, of course, after the movie comes out, whatever you had glimpses of, if we can make sure that it's worthy of public debate, then as much there is of that will come out. But you're seeing the tip of an iceberg.

[Chris Ramsey]

Of course.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But I want you to know that. I want everybody to know that because I need to make sure everybody believes that I live in America under the First Amendment, being a journalism, being in journalism. Because it's not just videos that are important.

[Chris Ramsey]

Nope. There's also a text file that I thought was really important as well.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, shit, you paused the screen, didn't you?

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, fuck. I knew people were gonna do that.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. And there's a note on the bottom of that shot as well, which is. I forget what it says, but it's something like to be discussed or.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, I don't know what you're talking about. You're talking about at the beginning, where I got a whole fucking treasure trove from.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, no, that I saw because from the Los Alamos stuff, I saw John B. Alexander's name on there.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right. Because he highlighted to make sure your eyes saw it.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But if you look at those documents, Understand the premise.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I get stuff all the time.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And I am not qualified, as my lawyer would say, to understand its value or not value. Sensitivity. So I have to take time to make sure that I do no harm. Right. That happens all the time to me. I have become a guy that people do that. Now when a package comes torn, it makes me wonder. So I have to verify that everything is exactly as is. Because then that just means it got torn in the way there or it's been ready. And by who? By our government. Who is our. You know who. It's our government. Or by an adversarial government. Right. So there we go. I get a package. Now this is from the person who is head of cybersecurity at Los Alamos National Laboratory. When they died, his son mailed something to me. And that's what you see at a beginning early scene in the movie. And that. That's real?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. The aerial anomalies and atmospheric anomalies was

[Jeremy Corbell]

one tiny little file thing tucked away, which is what the old schoolers used to do, is they took their UFO files and used to call them atmospheric anomalies, which is pretty cool.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. What Howard Menzel would call them.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Sure. But anyway, so then you're talking about something else that I am not tracking that was in the movie because I think you missed something.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, I'm talking about at the end there's another file.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right. Was it kind of like gold or was it kind of like old paper?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yep.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. Did you read the words?

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, talk.

[Chris Ramsey]

And it's. It's. It's. It's alluding to a cleanup.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yes, sir.

[Chris Ramsey]

Of an. Of alien bodies.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Alien. Bio.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm not sure what it said. Yeah, it didn't say bodies.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, no. Biosynthetic organisms.

[Jeremy Corbell]

The exact words.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

There's a word in there that's really tripping me out.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Symbiotic.

[Chris Ramsey]

Symbiotic, that's right. Yeah. They were afraid that the aliens. That the bio. Symbiotic. Alien whatever had infiltrated the local population, which is such a sci fi thing to read.

[Jeremy Corbell]

What does a symbiotic relationship mean?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, you get something and you give in return and you're both kind of. You're both getting something out of the relationship.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's that thing that goes into the grasshopper, I think, and takes over its brain and makes it go drown.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's not symbiotic. No, that's parasitic.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, thank God.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. I would say symbiotic would be more like the hippopotamus and those little birds that live on its back where they're

[Jeremy Corbell]

both benefiting, mutually beneficial for survival.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Is that right?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yep.

[Jeremy Corbell]

If we looked at dictionary.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yes. Yeah, that would be accurate.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Thank God.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Yeah. So that. What I also found interesting is that there's phone numbers on the bottom of that. Did you mean to not redact that?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, we redacted other things.

[Chris Ramsey]

You redacted the names?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. Well, those phone numbers must be okay. There's.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

People might want to call them. Yeah, they still exist.

[Chris Ramsey]

I'll call them.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But you always hold something back as a magician.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And you do that for two reasons. To sniff out bullshit, and as your right, or usually your right punch or sometimes your left hook because. Or an uppercut. Something you don't see coming. Right. So the jab puts people at distance. And everybody knows this bomb is coming. But then the other one's the hook or the uppercut. You hide those a little bit because they have so many knockouts from those. Right. So as a journalist, you always keep stuff to one. Find out who's going to come to you with bullshit after, like names associated with those phone numbers or that's your uppercut or left hook. The knockouts.

[Chris Ramsey]

Can I. Can I grab that screen? Grab real quick?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I mean, it's out.

[Chris Ramsey]

I want to.

[Jeremy Corbell]

By the time this talk is. It's out.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's true.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. You can read away.

[Chris Ramsey]

I want to. I'll take a second here.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Because of time dilation, I'm gonna put this phone this way so no one ever knows now if the clocks are accurate.

[Chris Ramsey]

Let me go.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Because that clock's supposed to keep you real. But I don't trust that clock.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, well, you can trust it.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Really?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yep. That's why it's there. Gives people a reference to when these conversations happened. Just like the Bob Lazar conversation I had recently. People will see on that if they, you know, watch that. If they look at the clock and pay attention, they know when that conversation happened. It was. It was over a year ago. All right, let's get to there. I'm fast forwarding. Take your time through your movie.

[Podcast Host]

Now

[Jeremy Corbell]

the skiff. Look at this place, man. I think there's sodium pental in this.

[Chris Ramsey]

Not enough.

[Jeremy Corbell]

And 115.

[Chris Ramsey]

Not enough, apparently.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, I'm being straightforward. Right. I'm answering.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, you are.

[Jeremy Corbell]

If I don't, just stop me as a friend and be like, dude, answer My question?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, I will trust you. No, you're doing a good job. Sorry, this has taken a second here.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I hate interviews where you ask somebody something they don't answer.

[Chris Ramsey]

What's. Who's your most evasive interview while I pull this up?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I mean, it was the first two years of filming. John Lear was the most evasive interview.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay, but who's the most evasive interview of somebody credible who you believe to be credible?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, I believe John Lear was credible at being John Lear, yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay, that doesn't go very far.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, I'm trying to really think here.

[Chris Ramsey]

Like, would you say, would it be a politician?

[Jeremy Corbell]

They're not public, so, yeah. The interviews that are the most evasive are like my everyday. I eat them for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I call people who are in the intelligence community and they have a job to do and sometimes they're trying to get dirt on me so that they can manipulate that later. And also sometimes people just have a duty. But the most evasive are like when an intelligence agent calls me up with badged contact and they tell me they're going to do something really great for UFOs, they're going to find the truth. And then, you know, nine months into these conversations, my lawyer's like, do not talk with that agency. And then nine months into that, when I told my lawyer, oh, fuck, no, I'm going to talk to him because I want to fucking find out what's going on. Even if I, you know, don't get to the last answer. It's when they try to entrap me with false information to see where I put it. That's the most evasive conversation because they're being evasive.

[Chris Ramsey]

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[Jeremy Corbell]

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[Chris Ramsey]

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[Jeremy Corbell]

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[Chris Ramsey]

Feels like. Feels like you gotta be a magician just to navigate this territory.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Fuck, dude, I hope I'm doing okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

All right, got it here. So, EPA Form 2070, 12.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right.

[Chris Ramsey]

Attached. EPA. What does that stand for?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Environmental Protection act, maybe.

[Chris Ramsey]

Whoa.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm not sure people are better acronyms than me.

[Chris Ramsey]

Cost estimate attached.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yes.

[Chris Ramsey]

Proposed activities. A site investigation. SI should be undertaken to determine alien inorganic. Alien inorganic compounds or other biochemicals have been disposed of at this site and to determine the presence and or extent of any soil and groundwater contamination that may be the result of materials disposed of at this site. Local residents should be checked for evidence that they are being symbiotically manipulated by surviving aliens. That sounds like something out of a bad science fiction novel. Like it's crazy.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Exactly.

[Chris Ramsey]

The word aliens is used so flippantly here. It's not biologicals. It's not, you know, extra tempestrial. It's nothing. It's aliens in lower caps. In lowercase.

[Jeremy Corbell]

How near would that have been? Curiously, people probably figure that one out. Like the online sleuths. What? You're right. I'm not asking you, I'm just saying.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm saying what you're doing by allowing that piece of paper to be shown is you're saying help. You're saying. So did you look at the file structures? There were some that were like high confidence or verified uap. There was a bunch of names in there. So this one I have and George has for many, many years. We got to a point where obviously we believe at least that is worthy of public discourse. I can confidently say at this time that that did not get transmitted through unsecure fashions. Okay, So a document like that would

[Chris Ramsey]

come in, that's an official document, like

[Jeremy Corbell]

it would be received in a skiff on a certain type of line to get it in from a Confidential. I'm going to say the word with a big C is confidential because I'm not qualified to say the other C word, confidential. Into another confidential area. You read in between the lines.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. So there we are. And then I know that there was a reaction in that room and I. Obviously somebody thought that fake or not fake, that it was worthy of possibly removing that from that confidential place where it comes to a journalist. So that's a big risk to take for. Bullshit.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, that's. That's a crime here.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Now, the other side of the. Yes, it is a crime. The other side of the coin, but not by me.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no, but that's a big risk.

[Chris Ramsey]

But that's a big risk.

[Jeremy Corbell]

That's a crime.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It doesn't matter what that is.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, you. You smuggled something out of a skiff.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So that's real. Now, the other side of the coin is I also know from personal experience. Not in this case, because the duration of which I sit on material and bullet test it and go as far as I can, and then I can't go any further without compromising things. So I get to a point where I have to stop. Okay. The other side of that coin is that I also know. Not a prank. I also know that there is intentional disinformation given to real, actual unknowing people in that confidential setting.

[Chris Ramsey]

Passage material.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, there we go. So for your audience and that. That is also real. This is not that, Right? This is not passage material. So now I am spinning. I'm spinning, right? And I'm like, okay, this is not passage material. But that's two on the nose. What's going on? I don't understand. You imagine that's one page out of many, right? You'd imagine that there's traceable things like bank account numbers to black programs. You'd imagine so if I imagined that.

[Chris Ramsey]

So this is not the only piece of paper that was.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay. There's a whole other set of files attached to that.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Allegedly.

[Chris Ramsey]

And is that. Is that what we're seeing at the end of this frame here? Is that like all these other biologics that are in this folder? Right. So there's quite a few. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Cache number four.

[Chris Ramsey]

Wow.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Cash number four. So as time progresses, you never revisit a cache unless you have to. Okay. So as you add to caches, your files grow bigger. Right. So I think I have a little fear in me right now. So I'm just. I'm not stuttering. I'm trying not to stutter. So I'm, like, trying to speak thoughtfully. And that's hard for me sometimes. What you see is what you get, dude. From the heart to the mouth. No filter. But I'm trying to put a little filter here. So your core question is maybe, why is that in the movie? For what purpose? And the other core question is probably, do you trust it? Am I accurate? Are those two important questions to you?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, those are both things I'm curious about.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay. So I trust that that is a memo that was never supposed to be in public domain. I trust that for whatever that means, that I know I allowed it to be in the movie because I think it is worthy of public discourse and investigation. And I have reached my limit for now. And I am hoping that with the tiny bit that is there, we're gonna learn what's True and not true about that page.

[Chris Ramsey]

Is this the biggest release in your opinion, that you've been a part of this particular document here, do you think?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I have not been a part of the release of that document. All you see is a page on a movie.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yes, but if this document were to be released, if this document were to find itself.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no, no, no. There's a lot about to happen.

[Chris Ramsey]

Really?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. And not just. I'm not talking about just me and George Knapp, you know that there's. When I say there is an army of whistleblowers ready to comport. I went on the news and I said, there are three firsthand people willing to raise their hands. Now we can debate all day what firsthand means, but when I say there's an army of whistleblowers, that's. To me, an army is more than 12, it's more than 24, you know, it's more than 36. I'm not. That's not, that's not a. That is a true statement. That is a factual statement. So is this the bigot? No, this is just a piece of paper that requires participation with magic with a K. Does that answer your question?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, it does. Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. I mean, that's obviously going to be, you know, that just to like get off that last document before we move on. It's one of those. To me, it's one of those things that like, you know those old MJ12 documents, those.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Ramsey]

That just read like. Yeah, they're, you know, the Psalm 1.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, let me back up. Yeah, it's fucking absurd.

[Chris Ramsey]

Absurd, absolutely.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yes. It's silly.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, it's silly.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's silly.

[Chris Ramsey]

It's whimsical. The whole, you know, symbiosis thing, so weird. I don't even know what to make of that.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Where I live in California, there are people who spent 30 years plus running companies for disposal, aerospace disposal. And if you were to infiltrate their ranks, you would find out that it is a known thing that there are what they'll call organic and inorganic compounds that have to be driven.

[Chris Ramsey]

What's an inorganic compound that can act as like some symbiotic. Have a symbiotic relationship with humans?

[Jeremy Corbell]

What do you know about carbon based life versus other forms of life?

[Chris Ramsey]

Right, but, I mean, but, but even, even other forms of life is still organic, cybernetic, you know, inorganic. So you're saying, you're thinking, you're thinking synthetic, like some type of, like this

[Jeremy Corbell]

is above my pay grade, but I'll Say this.

[Chris Ramsey]

Just, just. We're speculating here.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, speculate.

[Chris Ramsey]

Like what are we talking about? AI? Robot aliens?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so how the theory goes is that just as we print liver, heart cells, organs in space, which we do, you can print biologics. So cybernetic, if people have a dictionary, because I don't know for sure, but cybernetic would be this idea of an, like an organic compound that at its core is like a robot. Right? So an artificial intelligence within a biological bag. Right. So the idea with like the grays or whatever, you know, people often say, so they're like basically manufactured beings, right? And they're cybernetic, so they're, they're, they're organic.

[Chris Ramsey]

To me, cybernetic means like wires and stuff because. Oh, maybe it does because they're saying inorganic.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, that's different. We'll get into that.

[Chris Ramsey]

But you asked because inorganic means. Well, I don't know, not an organism.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Look, you do the math. What I'm telling you is that there are people that transport from California in, and I've seen them, these buildings that are nondescript and they have like high security. And you would never know what goes on in those buildings unless you get people that go inside. And those people that go inside in full hazmat suits, right. Sometimes they will do a cleanup and they will package it up. And now depending on its classification, they will then create lists. And the lists, if it's unclassified material, it's a very specific type of thing, 3.3% this, 3.4% that. I mean, everything's listed totally different protocol of classification for other stuff. If something is, you know, top secret or above as we commonly know it, totally different protocol. But either way, that shit's going inside of trucks. It is going to oftentimes, most often than not Dugway where they have a special burner, and that burner is a non. What is it called? Like, it doesn't.

[Chris Ramsey]

Non combustion.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, super hot.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

What it does is it's a non. Like where it permeates out whatever the word is. Okay, There's a word, a really good word, and it basically means that it doesn't leave that containment.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay?

[Jeremy Corbell]

So even to the point we'd crush up the carbon filters and just swallow everything like. Yeah, so it swallows everything. So it's non permeating. It doesn't go out. Right. And you know, you talk to people who have done this for their lives and they're part of this little club, and they'll walk in with like a full on Hazmat. And where's the bathroom? I mean, it's like right out of a comedy, right? Like, where's the bathroom? And then, like, people inside, they don't see the sunlight a lot. In a lot of ways, you know, they're. They're really. But if you're in there, you must be on the level, because if you're on the level, you wouldn't be. If you weren't on the level, you wouldn't be in there. And then they're showing you a fucking sphere that's fucking. Just hovering. And you're like, how does that happen? You know what I mean? How does that. Whoa, that's very cool. Where's the bathroom again? But they just can't stop. They get it off their chest. They can't stop because they don't have a lot of people to talk to that are new faces, right? So then you collect this stuff and then you take it out, let's say, to Dugway, the town. There's this burner out there and you got a list that doesn't say shit because it's, you know, because of classification. And you just, you know, you wouldn't really know tons of, you know, all the chemicals you deal with, you know, organic and inorganic compounds, which we'll figure out later. And you take it. And I'd be like, well, so what's the deal? What's the deal if it's a known secret that you are moving, what you're saying are alien organic and inorganic compounds? We're not talking like rocket fuel that needs to be, like, you know, perfectly fixed and, you know, run off from this or that. We're talking aliens here. Okay, so if that was true, right? Then I'd be like, how do you know? Like, how do you know that that is true? And somebody would say something like. And I'm like, why? Why is it so harmful? Other than I get secrecy. But that's not what you're doing. You're doing destruction. She's like, why? And they would say something exactly like, because of its ability to alter human DNA. And I would be like in a barbershop, getting a haircut, being like, what? Can you say that one more time so I can verbatim understand that? Because of its ability to alter human

[Chris Ramsey]

DNA, Kind of like an RNA thing.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I don't know, dude. I'm not a fucking smart pants guy. I'm not a smarty pants guy. So all that to say is that even within these circles of trust, there is this known thing that humans can't keep their fucking mouths shut. And human beings are the greatest leak to security than any document, photo, image, video. It's always human beings. And there are consequences. There are consequences to speaking outside of school. And sometimes they're covert, sometimes they're overt, sometimes they're inert or they appear to be. But there are consequences. And sometimes the consequence is just the pain you feel that the crushing weight of what you know to be true and can't say is going to destroy and snap your legs and destroy your humanity. And I've seen that pain in people's eyes. And it's not a way to live, man. You cannot live. You're not free. You don't have freedom of thought. You don't have freedom of thought because you don't have freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech, you can't have freedom of thought. And that's what's at stake with the UFO game.

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[Chris Ramsey]

All right, Jeremy, thank you. We're going to answer some questions from the audience.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Easy question.

[Chris Ramsey]

All right. This is part of the membership here. If you join and become a member, one of the many perks that you get is you're able to potentially have one of your questions answered by our guests, which we post in the discord. And then you can go see the. That. So the first one here. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how you're going to answer this one, but this is a.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Neither do I because I don't know the question.

[Chris Ramsey]

It's a good question.

[Jeremy Corbell]

The oh

[Chris Ramsey]

by G says, what would be the most smoking gun evidence you would like to release but can't?

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's a great fucking. Did you time that question? Like Zoltar, did you time that?

[Chris Ramsey]

No.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, then I finally get to do my joke on Chris Ramsey, which he'll only be the only one, really, that understands all cards on the table. I'm gonna I'm gonna risk a Bob Lazar migraine by taking my glasses off. I just. It's gonna fuck me. But the lights are bright in this skiff. Okay? No armor. What would be the most smoking gun evidence you would like to release but can't? That would be clear as day. UAP filmed by satellite that we're doing reconnaissance on adversarial and foreign nations assets. And I don't. I do not have that. In fact, I have nothing. And I've made sure of that. I have nothing. Nothing at home, nothing on my phone, nothing on my computers. I have nothing. However, I would love. I would love that smoking gun evidence which does exist. I have seen it. So have other people that you know. And I'm not talking about one piece of footage. I'm talking about a lot of footage. But it is not mine to share.

[Chris Ramsey]

What does it feature? Does it feature a disc? A Tic Tac? A tube?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm talking about a lot of different. Different footage.

[Chris Ramsey]

Chris, tell me. I. We're not. I don't want to know about where it is. I don't want to know about any. I want to know what is on these videos. Is it a triangle?

[Jeremy Corbell]

There are hundreds.

[Chris Ramsey]

Tell me one.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I just did.

[Chris Ramsey]

You said hundreds, Jimmy.

[Jeremy Corbell]

One. But I did before. So I told you satellite footage, or maybe I'm going back in time of two discs going by an adversarial nation's ship. Submarines are way more sensitive by the way. Position.

[Chris Ramsey]

These are discs, silver discs.

[Jeremy Corbell]

They appear to be lenticular in nature.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Not just orbs, not circular. But I mean, look. No, one piece. I learned this a long time ago. George Knapp and I released absolute scientific evidence of instantaneous motions. The first time in your life and mine and the world's that publicly. There's a piece of footage that has precedent, has origin, it has pedigree, and it is military filmed. And it shows you instantaneous motion. Now look, I could be wrong one day and I'm asking the public to bullet test that theory because our own government believed that that is a display of instantaneous motion. That's the piece that definitely they. Whoever the controllers didn't want out. The others were like balloon tests. Here's this, here's that, here's this, here's that. That one is important. And I think it will be seen that way in history. Or I'm wrong. And guess what? If I'm wrong, so was our entire intelligence community within the United States. And so I feel like I've put pretty good steps forward for People, man, you know, no one piece of footage has ever convinced me. It's the crushing weight of the cumulative footage, and I hope the public gets to see more and better.

[Chris Ramsey]

I'm gonna pin you down on this, okay? I want to know more about these. This footage that you. That you allude to. I've heard people like Lou Elizonda talk about footage. I've heard people in Congress mention it recently that they've seen footage. What's on? Give me five examples.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, I've given you 13.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, I want. I want, like, clear as day, basically,

[Jeremy Corbell]

given the public, with George Knapp, 13 assets that you were never supposed to see.

[Chris Ramsey]

But you said clear as day. Those aren't clear as day.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Clear as day. Day. Okay, so let's split another hair. So clear as day.

[Chris Ramsey]

Clear as day to me, is Independence Day, like, coming out of the clouds. That's clear as day.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'll promise you this. If I ever saw, obtained, and was able to release clear as day, Independence Day, hilarious piece of footage, and even if it's not clear as day, I would release it. George Knapp would release it. We'd release it.

[Chris Ramsey]

I know that, but I just want to know details.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Like, okay, because, like, what have I seen?

[Chris Ramsey]

For me, it's more about, like, what the craft looks like, because, you know, I get that there's sensitive areas, and then you can't give that up. Fine. I'm resigned to being very okay with, you know, not, you know, endangering people's lives by putting out information. Fine. You said you've seen footage. Yes, that is very clear fact. I want to know, do you see markings on these craft? Is it that clear?

[Jeremy Corbell]

No. No markings I ever seen.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay. Are you referring to craft that are of the triangular nature?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, yeah, sure. There's triangles, there's tic tacs, there's ovals,

[Chris Ramsey]

there's spheres, and that you've seen.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yes.

[Chris Ramsey]

You've seen clear.

[Jeremy Corbell]

100%.

[Chris Ramsey]

How clear are we talking? Are we talking iPhone footage?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay.

[Chris Ramsey]

Are we talking like, that clear, or is it all IR stuff?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Let's split another hair.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so first of all, you keep saying craft. Yeah, I don't fucking know. That's true.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure, Fine. Fair.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no, very fair. Because you will see, I hope you will see all five observables.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I've showed you one Georgian. I've shown you one clear as fucking day. Let's let people dissect that first and make sure it is okay. Military footage is always going to be through military assets. Those assets are Going to be at best, full motion video. Full motion video is the overlay of a bunch of types of sensors where then it creates for you night or day, a clear, full, high resolution image. Example, the Moso orb.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yes. That's a great high definition image.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Right. Well, okay, so that's your barometer. So now I'm understanding your.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, Color. It has texture, it has depth.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. So you've got thermal, which is heat. It's sensing the heat you have. I, well, it's ir, but like you think of like green. So you think about through. Yeah, so that's like an amplification of light, a little bit of heat. And then you've got full motion video. And then you have sometimes satellites which take something like full motion video. So you would say that's clear as day. Because the capability satellite to come in and like read a Coke can, they used to say in the 80s, sure, okay, so that exists. And so what you're looking for is full motion video.

[Chris Ramsey]

There's this, there's this video. Sorry to interrupt you, but there's this video of. And this gets brought up a lot in these discussions and these debates coming in from space. No, there's this video of a jet sort of fending off a Russian attack or something. Right. And it's like blasting something, but it's so clear. It's like the clearest 4K footage you can see. And we're seeing this from an airplane and yet the footage that we get is like, why do you think that is?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Can you say the words immaculate constellation with me?

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure. Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, so why do you think that is? Because of immaculate constellation. I'm fucking with you right now.

[Chris Ramsey]

I don't know. I don't know why. And that's part of the question is like, why are we getting this grainy infrared FMV when there exists footage like this? There should be.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Let me walk you through it. It's real fucking simple. Okay? So once things. So I get calls. I got a call. I need to walk you through it if you want to know the answer.

[Chris Ramsey]

I absolutely do.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Here we go. So I get calls from kids and their one sole job is to look at live feeds of Reaper drones. And they work at, I don't know, Wright Patterson, let's say it's a good place, generic. They do a lot of that there. And these kids will say to me, holy fuck, you're so reachable. And I'm like, yeah, that's the point. And they're like, well, check it out. First time in my career I Know, I'm young but like, you know, for 10 years I've been, you know, had this job and this is the first time in 10 years when we saw clear as day discs, UFOs and they were doing this crazy fucking shit. And there was a whole bunch of them, them. And we, we don't know how to classify them. What do you write? So we debated inside of this skiff for three, four hours. We finally come up with the designation and we're writing it down and we just want to replay it one more time. And for the first time in ten years you normally can go back in ten minute chunks. Ten minute chunks. Ten minute chunks. 10 minutes. Poof. It's not there.

[Chris Ramsey]

This is a real call in real

[Jeremy Corbell]

time, almost real time. I go back to thinking what Matthew Brown said. If he's telling us the way it is and if he's right, which are two different things, the way it is is he understands if he's right. And he said that we now have sophisticated ways, this is the smallest thing he said, to extract that data, right? So that it does. Right now I'm going to answer your question, but go with me here. I'm going to give you one more example. Real world. So during the height of the drone incursions on the east coast there is a sensitive critical infrastructure facility that has to do with energy. And I got word that there was lifting out of the water in a bay with cameras near this facility that were so high definition that it's like perfect footage because you need security at this facility. And a pyramid comes up. Pyramid by triangular, by angle of observation, pyramid in shape, okay?

[Chris Ramsey]

Like a tetrahedron, three sided pyramid lifts

[Jeremy Corbell]

up out of the water, rotates I think that's 90 degrees, goes over this base and hovers for maybe 10 hours.

[Chris Ramsey]

Whoa.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Goes back, goes into the water and there's what's called the Honeywell system, okay? Used by Department of Energy. And in the Honeywell system sits this file. And it's like burning a hole in the brain of a number of people. Remember during the height of all this. So George and I, we contact FBI because they, we see in the papers, they, they're being stonewalled. And we say, look, we have an individual who knows that you're being stonewalled and thinks you need something. This person's in agreement that they trust me and George, so we better not fuck this up. If there's no repercussions, he wants to do the right thing for America, then you guys in the FBI, can we do this Dance. And finally it's like, yes, we can do this dance. And the second that they said, yes, we can do this dance, and I go for this dance to be done. And this is like high, high trust that I have with somebody I care about and love.

[Chris Ramsey]

Understood?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay? When the agreement is made, that footage is doesn't go missing. It's taken from that system. And I just found out by the doe. So think about that. I'm setting you up for your answer now, okay? Think about it. So where does all. Why are we not seeing the good footage? Is your basic question. Everybody wants to know that. Why are we not seeing the full motion video? Satellite? Full motion, that's part of it. It full motion video. What you're looking for is fmv. Full motion video from a satellite. High fidelity, you call it color, day or night, doesn't matter. Color, clear. A craft, let's say. A craft. Why don't you see it? Well, George and I have given you 13 assets. What's different about those 13 assets? The number of people that have access to those 13 assets or whatever is very small for most of it. But it gets bigger and bigger when things get. When products get delivered. In search of answers outside of the intelligence community, sure. But that high fidelity shit. How many people do you think not only A, have visual access to it, B, would ever break their oath about fucking anything? Now we're getting a small population, C, have cause to break it smaller, D, thinks about breaking it. And finally, what comes after D, A fucking E. Takes the risk personally to give that to a journalist who never fucking asked for it. Now we're talking about almost nobody.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, one person.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So why aren't you seeing it, Chris? Because the pool is tiny. Unless there's some mandate to be honest. Now why would there ever be a mandate to be honest about UFOs?

[Chris Ramsey]

Because after that all we need is one man. It feels like.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no, but you're wrong.

[Chris Ramsey]

Five hour video of a pyramid floating over the Department of Energy.

[Jeremy Corbell]

That's just ours.

[Chris Ramsey]

I mean, that's ours.

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, that's what I'm like, dude, there are so many ways to puncture the truth.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, I see.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It doesn't matter what you do. I'm saying to everybody, I've never solicited in my life. I'm telling everybody, don't do it. There's other ways the truth can come out. We don't need our government and our military to figure out the truth. They don't fucking know the truth. And that's the bottom line. Bottom line? Is what do you tell people if you don't know? And what if that's true?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

What if you kick a sleeping dog? What happens then? What does the dog do to you?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Bites you.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Did that answer your question?

[Chris Ramsey]

Pretty much, in a way. Not. I'm not satisfied. But it answered my question.

[Podcast Host]

Well, you don't.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You don't, Chris. You don't. Okay, here we go. You don't see it because there's so many limited people that actually have access to that, that have motivation. Then Will.

[Chris Ramsey]

No, I know. And you. Why would you eloquently answer that question? I find myself frustrated regardless of the answer.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, join the fucking club.

[Chris Ramsey]

I know. I'm not even that frustrated. I'm vocalizing the frustration of people, you know, who have come before me. I'm actually. I'm just happy to talk about it, to be honest. Like, a story like that, especially with a floating pyramid. I mean, sure, seeing the actual thing would, like, rock my world, but a story like that, for me, kind of has the same effect. I go, oh, my God. Like, that is.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Chris, when people see UFOs for themselves, undeniably, does it rock their world?

[Chris Ramsey]

I would think so.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Sometimes it really doesn't, Chris.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, well, sometimes it does.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Okay, fair enough. Touche. As they say in sword fighting.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay, okay, okay. Oh, this is a really good question by Kazan. Kazane.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Cool name, Kazan. Thank your mama and papa. God, man, you make me. Whenever I see you got it. Makes me want one.

[Chris Ramsey]

I'll give you the link.

[Jeremy Corbell]

What the heck?

[Chris Ramsey]

Do you feel there's any information that you or George have kept from each other, or is it all full transparency?

[Jeremy Corbell]

We keep stuff from each other to protect one another. Seldomly, but assuredly.

[Chris Ramsey]

Cool. Interesting. I would love to ask George that question one day too. See if he has the same answer. And he goes, no, of course not, because I'm an open book. No, no. I would assume he does too. This is one we kind of answered during the podcast, but I thought it

[Jeremy Corbell]

was with a quicksand for some. Someone once said, anything.

[Chris Ramsey]

This is by TH Perry.

[Jeremy Corbell]

They literally say to you. Sometimes, like some of the intel guys, when they're working against you, they warn you before and they say, hall of Mirrors, man. Nothing is as it appears. How you doing? I mean, I'm just like, fuck, what do you do with that, man? Okay, go ahead.

[Chris Ramsey]

What do you think really happened to General McCasland? T.H. perry. Okay, now we're getting into speculative territory because I know that you can't answer that because you have no Idea. But what's your gut say?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Well, that he's missing.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah. Something bad happened to him.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, yeah. If you mean by being murdered bad, yes, I believe he was murdered. I do. And I have cause to believe that.

[Chris Ramsey]

What? Cause.

[Jeremy Corbell]

People that know far more about it than I do, who I trust and shouldn't have mentioned shit to me. That's all I got for you, man.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, yeah, I'm so. Let me back up Caslin, man. That's a real human man.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

With. With real family. And there's a pattern of people disappearing and their bodies being found later because exposure oftentimes masks causality of death, and it's fucked up. And there are cases the public doesn't know about, and George and I are on a couple of them and some of them are older. Right. But it's a pattern and it's really gnarly. And I will say that there are people who, if they weren't dead, were willing to testify, and they were. Would have testified and I don't know, like, you would probably.

[Chris Ramsey]

Well, you mentioned that in the movie. I did that someone.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I did.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah, there's a few people. But a couple things burn in the back of my brain and I don't know if they're related, but it's horrible fucking timing.

[Chris Ramsey]

Do you feel a sense of, like, personal guilt for that?

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, no. I'm not close to those cases.

[Chris Ramsey]

Okay.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Personally. And my wife told me, you make your own decisions and you have to. You have to contend with that, you have to wrestle with that. But other people make their own decisions and they're full on adults and they have to contend with that.

[Chris Ramsey]

That's right.

[Jeremy Corbell]

So I can't hold that. And I'm not personally close to any of those cases. I've been asked to be close to them and I don't feel it's right for a number of reasons.

[Chris Ramsey]

Sure. Well, that's good advice that your wife gave you, I'll tell you that.

[Jeremy Corbell]

She's a mystic.

[Chris Ramsey]

This one, I think, is on everybody's mind. So we'll go with this one here.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Everybody's but mine or something. Planet Earth, the greatest show in the solar system. Like.

[Chris Ramsey]

Kaz, can you tell us more about the claim that the government will falsely say that a craft is slowly making its way to Earth?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, shit.

[Chris Ramsey]

This is.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Can I say more than I already said? Is that what you're asking?

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, you kind of said, you know, that you were told in some capacity that a craft would. Well, that certain people would alarm us about some Impending.

[Jeremy Corbell]

You know, I sure did say that in January. Yeah, back.

[Chris Ramsey]

Right. Right before.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Six months before the Three Eye Atlas became popularly understood.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Yeah. Can I say more so, you know, it really bothers me. I've said more, and I guess I haven't said it loud enough or clear enough. So, yeah, I'll say more again. You know, I've already said how I came to that conclusion. I've said it a billion times. I'm not hiding anything about how I came to the conclusion. I am not psychic. I make the joke. I don't know when my coffee pot's going to go off, even when I set the time, you know, because I'm. I have no predictive ability. The reason I said that is because I was pressured for a long time for my mouth to be used for what I considered a false narrative. The false narrative being that there was a craft slowly coming, making its way to Earth. I think they said, like 2027 or 2036, you know, leave a big window, so everybody has to fucking guess. And if it doesn't happen 2027, then, you know, we have them until 2036. I think that is absolute bullshit. And my cause to believe that is the way that I was pressured to be used as a megaphone for that idea by the intelligence community, which I have mapped out. Everybody connected to that one specific lie to the American public, and I just said it out loud when I was in front of fucking cameras because I can't be, you know, what's the words you used earlier, Acting sincere. I'm just fucking gonna say it like. But I said. I told the guy, I don't think you want it in this fucking show of yours, but yet he puts it in. Thank you, Ryan. You know, so was the person who

[Chris Ramsey]

told this to you.

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's not a person, brother.

[Chris Ramsey]

There's multiple people.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Why do you think I would rely on my intuition?

[Chris Ramsey]

Were any of those people ever on this podcast?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I have no idea who's on your podcast. Bring out the book. I'd have to. No, you know what? Let's not play that game, because here's the deal. I already know your question. And not overtly. No to answer your question, but I've heard from other people that that was said overtly.

[Chris Ramsey]

Same information, same information.

[Jeremy Corbell]

But you have to understand, there's a mosaic of people who tried to have influence over me to say that with the same message, the ex, bro, down to the point where I have a catalog of seven books that I will not read because I've mapped out the network of people who have, who've said it. It's almost as if I could go through my memory and type in a word.

[Chris Ramsey]

Do you think Avi Loeb was implicated in this as well?

[Jeremy Corbell]

It's almost as if I could go into my memory and type in a word and cross reference 11 plus years of what's been said to me. So I know exactly the mosaic of that information. I do not trust it to be actual and real. In fact, I know the origin of at least the mythology, which comes from a 70s classified document. Now let's back up for one second, which is this. I could be wrong, right? That's mine and George's joke. Look, you know, I am adamant.

[Chris Ramsey]

You have a gut instinct beyond a gut. Yeah, well, a journalistic not instinct, but I would say maybe intuition.

[Jeremy Corbell]

This ain't my first rodeo and I've seen this movie before. Now, hold on one second, which is that fuck, I'm really trying to tell people I don't have information that you don't have. But yeah, I just look, and again, if I'm wrong, who fucking cares? It'd be the greatest day of my life. I would love to be wrong about

[Chris Ramsey]

that because it sounds a lot like what? You know, you can't help but overlap this sort of blue beam, you know, narrative that Stephen Greer has been talking about as well, where the government's going to fake an impending alien invasion in order to take away more rights for the American people. Well, I mean, isn't that kind of what they're doing when you have people from these agencies who are the government telling you that there's an invasion coming one step away from faking an alien invasion?

[Jeremy Corbell]

No, but that could also be personal belief based on personal.

[Chris Ramsey]

Are you saying they believe it?

[Jeremy Corbell]

I'm leaving open the possibility that the reason this messaging has percolated to yours and my ears and the public's is because that's a personalized assessment based on the information that they have. It could be that, right? I don't know, because no one would talk to me straight about it. You know, I have straight up asked people and it's all like that weird intelligent shit where they're not saying nothing and trying to say something, but saying

[Chris Ramsey]

nothing and it feels like just passage material.

[Jeremy Corbell]

I don't know. But I would tell you this, you're never going to be told the truth straight by any government agency, and not just because they don't know it. Because their job is to shape the emerging UAP narrative, to be able to utilize truth and untruth to their behest. That is the goal.

[Chris Ramsey]

And what's your goal?

[Jeremy Corbell]

My goal in what?

[Chris Ramsey]

When their goal is to shape the narrative. What's your goal?

[Jeremy Corbell]

Oh, my goal is to try to dig as deep as I can and find out what the truth is. That's my goal.

[Chris Ramsey]

Jeremy Corbell, thank you, brother.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Friend.

[Chris Ramsey]

Thank you, friend. Yeah, appreciate you. And I appreciate you coming here and opening up and. Yeah, wishing you lots of luck and safety and health with the rest of your journey.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Hope okay. My hope is that this is the last time that I ever have to do an interview where I feel stress and pressure in trying to limit my words, man. Because my goal is to live a different life now. I don't want to play this game anymore.

[Chris Ramsey]

Yeah, fair enough.

[Jeremy Corbell]

All right.

[Chris Ramsey]

Oh, wishing you all the best.

[Jeremy Corbell]

Thanks, brother.

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