UFO Researcher Details The STRANGEST Alien Encounters - Preston Dennett | DEBRIEFED ep 93

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AREA52 - DEBRIEFED With Chris Ramsay

Episode 93: UFO Researcher Details The STRANGEST Alien Encounters - Preston Dennett Released: June 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

In episode 93, Chris Ramsay welcomes longtime UFO researcher and author Preston Dennett for a wide-ranging, deeply insightful conversation about UFOs, alien contact, and high-strangeness encounters. The episode explores Preston’s evolution from UFO skeptic to full-on experiencer and researcher, delving into his personal encounters, findings from hundreds of interviews with contactees, and recurring patterns in alien encounters–including healing, psychic phenomena, and the controversial “ET agenda.” Notably, the episode also explores government cover-ups, the “publicity campaign” of UFOs, ET interaction with nuclear sites, and the intersection between UFOs, psychic abilities, and even cryptids like Bigfoot.

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Main Themes

• The transformation from skeptic to experiencer: Preston Dennett’s personal journey
• High-strangeness UFO and ET encounters
• Family and generational contact phenomena
• The “agenda” of ETs: healing, warnings, and spiritual awakening
• Government secrecy and the failure of disclosure
• Connections between UFOs, OBEs (out-of-body experiences), psychic phenomena, and cryptids
• Patterns in mass sightings and schoolyard encounters
• Notions of “publicity campaigns” by ETs to raise awareness
• The role of fear, skepticism, and societal ridicule

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Preston’s Journey: From Skeptic to Experiencer

• Preston began as a skeptic—even dismissing his own odd childhood incidents like missing time (03:02)
• A pivotal event: recalling a forgotten close encounter with a white orb in 1992, leading to missing time (05:17)
• “It's called UFO investigator's disease.” – Preston Dennett [03:52]
• Family encounters: his brother and sister-in-law had direct sightings and close contact (10:05, 13:23)

2. Personal High-Strangeness Cases

• Recurring orb and light phenomena, craft responding to flashlights (07:17)
• Spontaneous downloads and “missing time” incidents (06:12)
• Onboard experience: detailed memory of being pulled through a bedroom wall, flying through space, interacting with tall, hybrid, and “Mama” Grays, and drinking a mysterious green liquid (20:11 - 37:32)
• Discussion of how ET encounters differ from dreams or OBEs (22:24, 23:15)
• The “gentle benevolence” and telepathic communication style of the “Mama” Gray: “She is the most beautiful creature I’ve ever seen... She kind of chuckled. She was amused. I'm like, can I explore? Go ahead.” – Preston Dennett [28:42–29:12]

3. Mapping the UFO Phenomenon

• After interviewing thousands and formally documenting several hundred accounts, Preston sees clear patterns (15:35)
• Patterns in abduction/“onboard” experiences: physical exams often followed by healing, telepathic training, viewing of star fields, warnings about nuclear weapons and environmental destruction (57:18, 70:33)
• ET types encountered are overwhelmingly humanoid: “I'm expecting aliens to have tentacles—as a skeptic... but that’s not what we’re seeing.” – Preston Dennett [17:34]
• Remarkable consistency of the message: “We are you. You are us. We are one.” – [16:17–18:15]

4. The Healing Agenda

• ET encounters frequently involve spontaneous (sometimes medically verified) healings, especially for “healers” (social workers, medical professionals, activists, etc.) (57:18–78:07)
• “They're healing the healers.” – Chris Ramsay [76:45]
• Discussion of why ETs don’t simply cure everyone: karma, life lessons, selection of those doing good for humanity [76:45–78:07]
• Over 300 documented cases of healing—often in hospitals, with multiple witnesses or physical evidence (59:31, 62:19)

5. Psychic & OBE (Out-of-Body Experience) Phenomena

• Many contactees, including Preston, develop heightened psychic faculties, OBEs, and lucid dreaming after encounters (39:17–56:44)
• OBE mechanics, safe practices, and how these abilities can be learned: “Anyone can do this... all you have to do is applied knowledge.” – [56:33]
• The emotional intensity and dangers of OBEs, sense of instant manifestation, encounters with deceased loved ones (44:40–53:20)
• OBEs often serve as a “gateway” to further encounters or spiritual development

6. The ET Publicity Campaign

• Waves of sightings–display cases, schoolyard landings, drive-in theater encounters, mass displays near cities–are deliberate attempts to raise awareness (93:03–110:08)
• “They are putting on a very carefully orchestrated, vigorous publicity campaign. They really, really want us to know that we are not alone.” —Preston Dennett [93:03]
• Cases are found in every tiny, obscure town—a universal phenomenon
• Schoolyard landings are highly consistent worldwide, with consistent warnings about technology, environmental harm, and nuclear danger (97:55–102:31)

7. Government Cover-up, Disclosure & “My Lab”

• Secret-keeping is driven by hidden power structures/corrupt elements—military-industrial complex, energy, banking, pharma, defense (66:43)
• Admits futility of relying on governments for disclosure: “I don’t need lying liars to tell me what I already know is true.” —Preston Dennett [160:01]
• “My Lab” cases: military abductions (either as psyops, or to discredit/re-traumatize true experiencers), growing in number and complexity (82:15–82:46)
• “I’m worried about the government folks more than the ETs.” —Preston Dennett [84:31]

8. Cryptids, Bigfoot, and High Strangeness

• Cases of Bigfoot-UFO overlap: telepathic contact, poltergeist outbreaks, roaring and sightings in proximity to UFO encounters (174:57–179:52)
• Human-looking “ETs” among us, documented cases of hybrid and strange humanoids blending in public, often leading to subsequent abductions (152:20–156:34)
• Elves, gnomes, and other folkloric beings: explored as possibly real, interdimensional or separate phenomenon, not always “aliens” per se (181:19–184:17)

9. Audience Q&A Highlights

• Psyops & Military involvement: Preston confirms some cases are likely military-driven, especially those with overt negative or propagandistic messaging (164:46–169:23)
• Levitations after contact/OBE: numerous reported cases, some scientifically documented, even outside of UFO culture (169:23–173:34)
• “Do your own research. Don’t believe anyone, not even me.” – Preston Dennett [187:44]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you start investigating this, they might start investigating you.” – Preston Dennett [03:02]
• “I can see this kind of hole in the wall, and then I'm hurtling through space... I'm being taken. This is awesome.” – Preston Dennett [20:11]
• On human–ET kinship: “Grays are human. That's my personal message. So that answered something.” [18:15]
• “The message was, they are human. They have a different ancestry. They have damage done through radiation.” – Preston Dennett [18:15]
• “They're healing the healers.” – Chris Ramsay [76:45]
• “Almost every major researcher out there has cases [of ET healings].” —Preston Dennett [61:01]
• “They really, really want us to know that we are not alone.” – Preston Dennett [93:03]
• “Knowledge overcomes fear every time. That's why I do this research. People deserve to know.” – Preston Dennett [122:17]
• “One in forty people have been taken on board. I wrote this article for the MUFON Journal called 1 in 40... this is more common than we realize.” – Preston Dennett [79:21]
• “Anyone can do this...the steps are simple, it's just applied knowledge.” – [56:33]
• “I don't trust the government on this subject... I predicted this. We're going to see more fuzzy dots. And we did.” [65:05]
• “Do you think that there is an imminent human invasion that'll be sort of hoaxed in our lifetime?” – Chris Ramsay [142:34]
• “Our government should have our best interests in mind, and I don't see that sometimes they do not.” – Preston Dennett [146:48]
• “The evidence is mountainous. If they don't come forward and say this is real, they're ridiculous... they're irrelevant.” —Preston Dennett [160:01]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:00–03:02 — Introduction & Preston’s journey from skepticism to inquiry
• 05:17–06:28 — Missing time & orb encounter
• 10:05–13:23 — Family’s close encounters and evidence of generational contact
• 20:11–37:32 — Detailed, conscious onboard ET experience and confirmation of contact patterns
• 39:17–56:44 — OBE discussion, psychic openings post-contact
• 57:18–78:07 — ET healing agenda, medical verifications, healing “the healers”
• 79:55–82:46 — Prevalence and nature of experiences; “My Lab” cases, government psyops
• 93:03–110:08 — The ET “publicity campaign”, schoolyard and drive-in cases, deliberate mass sightings
• 110:08–146:29 — Government coverup, whistleblowers, reverse engineering, military bases, nukes, and the threat narrative
• 148:09–152:20 — High strangeness: phone calls from ETs, electromagnetic manipulation, prison break accounts
• 152:20–158:12 — Human-looking ET encounters among us
• 164:46–173:34 — Audience questions: Psyops, levitation, and religious parallels
• 174:57–184:50 — Bigfoot, cryptids, and the possible ET connection
• 184:50–188:28 — Wrap up, book recommendations, and closing philosophy

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Additional Resources

• Preston Dennett’s YouTube Channel & Books: [Find here [link]]
• Contact for OBE resources: [e-mail]

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Closing Thoughts

Chris and Preston’s conversation underscores UFO research as a living, evolving phenomenon–deeply personal and yet universal in its patterns. Preston, while objective and methodical, encourages listeners to investigate the evidence for themselves and cautions against reliance on any single authority, including himself—or the government. Listeners are left with actionable hope: overcoming fear, opening to knowledge, and recognizing the profound interconnectedness suggested by so many encounters.

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Summary compiled by Podcast Summarizer AI | June 2026

Transcript

[Chris]

The phenomenon, what is it we're interacting with? Are we interacting with more than one thing? And what's the goal?

[Preston Dennett]

100%. They are putting on a very carefully orchestrated, vigorous publicity campaign. They really, really want us to know that we are not alone. I honestly think we are dealing with people like us who certainly have a much better understanding of other dimensions. What does this mean? I think it means our relationship to them is a lot closer than we real contactees will get the message. We are you, you are us. We are one. And I saw his face kind of just melt away. The nose got damaged, the lips, the head got bigger, the hair went away completely. And the message was, they are human. They have a different ancestry. They have damage done through radiation.

[Chris]

I'm specifically fascinated by the mantids cases. Okay, we'll have the small grays, the humanoids, the tall grays. But then way back here behind the curtain, you got like these overse.

[Preston Dennett]

And he turns around, he said it was the scariest thing. They were sitting on these white kind of throne like chairs, stone on a dais. And he says, PRESTON, they were 15ft tall. He was trembling. And they said, would you like to go to our planet? He said, no.

[Chris]

I'm so mind blown right now.

[Preston Dennett]

I can see this kind of hole in the wall. And then I'm hurtling through space because I'm like, okay, I'm being taken. This is awesome. It turns out this is a thing. If you start investigating this, they might start investigating.

[Chris]

Ladies and gentlemen, we are joined today by a very exciting guest I'm looking forward to having a conversation with. This is Preston Dennett. You might be familiar with Preston's work through his various amount of books. Preston's been a researcher for a very long time and also has a really, really fun, interesting YouTube channel that you should check out where he talks about these experiences, UFO encounters of all nature. And it's really just. You cover high strangeness a lot as well, which I'm really into. And you have a really good way of connecting the dots and so I'm looking forward to this. My audience actually suggested to have you on multiple times. So I think they're really excited to have you on. Welcome, Preston Dennett.

[Preston Dennett]

Thank you, Chris. I'm excited.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah, this should be fun. I want to start. There's so many cases to go through which I'm going to eventually ask you about. I want to go through a list of like your top cases, your highest conviction cases. The high strangeness. This will be a really good episode for anyone who's looking to just get a broader sense of all the strange encounters that are out there. But I want to start with your encounter or your encounters, I should say, of which there were many. And maybe you can start. I'll let you take it away.

[Preston Dennett]

All right. I mean, it's hard to know where to start because growing up I was skeptical of all of this, didn't believe any of it. In hindsight, I'm like, okay. There was that incident of missing time when I was about nine years old where I missed lunch. I was in my bedroom and we're six kids in our family. You don't miss lunch because they're not going to eat. And I missed lunch. And everyone said, we called for you. I'm like, I was in the bedroom. They said, no, you weren't. I always wondered about that, but never really put, you know, the dots together and a few little things like that, but nothing I could sink my teeth into. And that all kind of changed once I started investigating the subject. And turns out this is a thing. If you start investigating this, they might start investigating you.

[Chris]

They being the aliens.

[Preston Dennett]

It's called UFO investigators disease.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Ed Conroy coined that term because he started having contacts after investigating Whitley Strieber's case.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Preston Dennett]

And I looked at other UFO researchers. I'm like, wow. A lot of them have had this. And I was in the middle of an investigation of the Topanga Canyon UFO wave, 1992. And I'm over at my brother's house and my sister in law and they're helping me through all this because I was new to this field and he had had an encounter. She had visitations by ETs when she was a little girl. It's in my family, so they're helping me. And I'm like, okay, it's late, it's Sunday, I gotta go home. I'm driving, you know. They were in Woodland Hills. I lived in Canoga park, six miles away. Maybe I'd leave their house. Going around this hairpin corner, can't go more than 5 miles per hour. And I see what I think is a. A bird. This is, you know, almost midnight. It's not a bird, It's a little ball of light. So now I'm thinking maybe it's a firecracker. It's July 1992, and towards the end of July, July 20th, thereabout. So people are still shooting up firecrackers. And that's where I went. This darn thing comes down and hovers right in front of my windshield. Like a foot away. I mean, much closer to than I am to you right now.

[Chris]

Whoa. How big was it? Roughly?

[Preston Dennett]

A little bit bigger than a ping pong ball. Okay. Not big.

[Chris]

And what color?

[Preston Dennett]

White.

[Chris]

White.

[Preston Dennett]

Soft white. Hard edges. And it's hovering and kind of wavering slightly. This thing goes back to the edge of the windshield, all the way to the other side, back to the other side, and then stops right in front of my face. I'm like, okay, it's intelligent. It's not a reflection because, you know, your mind starts, I'm stopped. I'm gripping my steering wheel and this thing scoots forward, almost touches the ground and goes straight up. And that's the last thing I remember. And here's the weird thing. I didn't remember this. I completely forgot about it out of my mind for, I don't know, four months. And then one day I'm just sitting there, I'm like, huh? I remember seeing this.

[Chris]

It just triggered randomly while you were just pondering.

[Preston Dennett]

There was no cue or anything. Like often people will say, oh, yeah, no, I just remembered it. You know, I'm sticking to this. This did happen. I'm now convinced I had missing time because I don't remember driving home. I would have turned around. I'm like, mark Christy, I've seen this orb, right?

[Chris]

Yeah, that's definitely not something you can just move past.

[Preston Dennett]

Right. So that was 1992, a big year for me. I had a sighting with my brother and sister in law a month later up in Crater Lake area. This light's blinking on and off and we're clicking our flashlights at it and it's responding. And then I joined cseti, the group with Stephen Greer, and we started calling down UFOs that same year. And it just rolled out from there. I started having sightings pretty regularly. I'll tell you a couple of really good ones. I was heading this meditation one year. This was probably 94ish. And we're all sitting in a group, there's five of us. And I just start getting. We're all meditating, our eyes are closed. This is in Topanga Canyon. Pretty beautiful hot spot.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And I started getting this message, look up, look up, look up, look up, look up. I'm like, I'm not looking up, I'm meditating. You know, I'm trying to calm them down. But this message just wouldn't shut up.

[Chris]

Was it audible? No, no, it was just an impression.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. But it started getting stronger. I'm like, fine, I'll look up. No, Sooner did I look up, there's this dot of light high in the sky. Star, like, but it expands, expands, expands, expands. And it's. I hate saying this, but it covered like a third of the sky.

[Chris]

Oh, my gosh.

[Preston Dennett]

So this is not a shooting star. It's like someone pouring milk on the top of a glass table. And you're looking up, it's just, it's man. And you know, later, talking to Dolly Saffron, she's like, oh, that's a light gate. That's ETs coming in or out. Which makes sense because that same night, one mile away, I ended up interviewing this couple who saw this major craft literally just over the other side of the hill, same darn time. So that was a good sighting.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Preston Dennett]

A couple more leading up to my major onboard experience. I'm driving home from a friend's house, San Diego to la, and I start to see this object over the freeway. This is a 405 freeway, never empty. And of course I'm maneuvering. Everyone's going 70 miles an hour. I'm like, what the heck is that? Because I know this route, I've done it a hundred times. And it's very low cloud ceiling. And there's this giant globe of light right over the freeway. Like, I don't remember that. And I'm so kind of coming closer and closer to it, looking for, you know, some sort of attachment of the street light. No. And I'm right under it. I'm like, okay, holy crap, this is something. I got a message. It said, your niece has just been born. How crazy is that? Turns out that's my sister in law who had a major face to face encounter with Gray's. Her son had a humanoid encounter on a sighting. So they're kind of carrying on the whole ET gene pool generational thing, but that was a weird thing and it kind of ties in.

[Chris]

And was. Was he?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, she was born.

[Chris]

Whoa. So how did you find that out? Did you call your sister and were

[Preston Dennett]

like, oh, when I got home, I'm like, alex, she was born, right? Yep. My brother had a close up sighting. That's what got me into this field.

[Chris]

Yeah. Can you tell me about that? Because that really left a mark on you.

[Preston Dennett]

It did because I was a skeptic. I'll never forget November 17, 1986, because I'm watching the TV news and you might remember this date. Kenju Terochi.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Preston Dennett]

Jal Airlines.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Huge case.

[Chris]

Yeah. Massive case. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Which the news just joked about.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Preston Dennett]

They're like, oh, yeah, this guy thinks he saw ufo.

[Chris]

One of the most credible sightings too.

[Preston Dennett]

None of that was in the news report. It was just joking, tongue in cheek. Now, of course, we know it's got radar. And they were followed for an hour and so forth.

[Chris]

96 was an interesting year too, I think. Was. It was.

[Preston Dennett]

This was 86.

[Chris]

Oh, it was 86. Okay. Not 96. Yeah. Okay, that makes more sense. Yeah, yeah. Because I was like, 96. It feels a little late for. For that sighting. But that. Yeah, that makes more sense.

[Preston Dennett]

21 years old.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And that got me to remember. Oh, my brother Mark came running in the house when I was 13. I saw a UFO, and I'm like, no, you didn't. The stars are too far away. You're deluded. I was. I bought the Air force, you know, party line. Hoaxes, hallucinations, misperceptions, mental illness. Yeah, you're all crazy.

[Chris]

That's right. Mass hysteria. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And then I went to Mark, I'm like, okay, tell me again. And he described this amazing sighting with his two friends.

[Chris]

Was it a disc or a ball of light?

[Preston Dennett]

It was a classic flying saucer.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Preston Dennett]

Little lights around it, dome on top, silent treetop level. They chased it down reseda Boulevard for 15 minutes, passing other cars. This thing would wait for them. They'd get real close, it would dart ahead.

[Chris]

Whoa.

[Preston Dennett]

They'd get up to it, it would dart ahead.

[Chris]

It was playing koi.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. So he's telling me all this. I'm like, mark, you're what? It's like, call Phil and Greg, his friends, you know them. I did call them and they confirmed it, added a few more details. So that knocked down the wall for me, opened the door, and I found out my sister in law had sightings. She had a sighting over Van Nuys Air Force Reserve Base three months later. Saw grays walking by Stag street elementary school.

[Chris]

What, in daylight?

[Preston Dennett]

No, this was around midnight. She went for a walk to collect an abandoned shopping cart. She wanted it. Walking with her little dog. Sarah sees these two kids standing right in front of the school under the floodlight. She's like, well, that's weird. They look bald, you know? Then she's thinking, do they have masks on? This is summer, it's not Halloween. She walks about 10ft away from them and they turn, look at her like that. And she said it was like being woken up when you're awake. Because these were grays. She didn't use that term. This was before people were really talking about this.

[Chris]

She described the same thing.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. She's an artist. Eidetic memory. She's going from top to bottom. I'm like, she says, the almond eyes,

[Chris]

the wraparound eyes, the giant heads. I had her draw them for me, slit like mouths.

[Preston Dennett]

So I'm like, oh my God. So that's. That was it. By then I knew they were real and I had all the books I could get my hands on and.

[Chris]

But you didn't suspect that you had anything to like. I mean, because at that point you just thought, oh, these are all just like unconnected, disconnected coincidences. But I mean, there's clearly something there if your whole family is.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, the first thing I did was like, have I ever seen a ufo? No, I never have. And it took me a year or two to remember that incident of missing time when I was like nine.

[Chris]

You got with a ball of light, get this.

[Preston Dennett]

My brother, my sister in law is sitting next to him on the couch and she's like, what's that on your arm? And you could palpate this thing. It was a little stick like object right under his arm.

[Chris]

Hard.

[Preston Dennett]

Yep. And you could see it if you pressed on it. So I took him to a MUFON field investigator who's a doctor. The guy's eyes went really wide. He's like, oh, my God, we need to X ray this. You know, you could remove this. And my brother Mark instantly clammed up and I'm like, gosh, you know, when someone's within a couple of hundred feet of ufo, I now know that's a huge red flag. A distant sighting is one thing, but if you're close up.

[Chris]

Red flag, you mean? What do you mean by that?

[Preston Dennett]

Probably a more extensive encounter.

[Chris]

Right. There's probably something else that followed or preceded it.

[Preston Dennett]

Right.

[Chris]

That was more direct.

[Preston Dennett]

So I'm wondering, I mean, how did that get in his arm and is it related? I can't say for sure, but it

[Chris]

disappeared because the sighting he had with his friends.

[Preston Dennett]

Right. It was pretty darn close to him. And I've come to realize it's no accident. Yeah. So it's in my family. Brought it up at work. That was a huge mistake because the lady I worked right next to, she's like, oh, yeah. I mean, my whole family saw one. My daughter, she had these things come into her room, you know, you should talk to her. It just happened. Like, just happened. You're kidding. She's like, yes, it was ongoing as I just got involved in this field, one of those weird synchronicities. And in walks Dorothy, who you would love. She's so, you know, outgoing, funny, and she's like, oh, UFOs went and followed me home from the library. We live five, no, ten minutes away. The weirdest thing, Preston. We left at 9:00 o', clock, right when the library closed. It followed us home. We saw it dart away. And her friend Carol turns, looks at the clock, says, Dorothy, it's 10:15. Where did the time go? So I'm like, dorothy, you were abducted. She's like, what? Because I learned to be a little bit more reserved than interviewing people, but I was young.

[Chris]

How many people have you interviewed in your career?

[Preston Dennett]

I mean, I've talked to thousands upon thousands. Formally, A few hundred formally.

[Chris]

And by formally you mean people who have had direct ET contact who would

[Preston Dennett]

allow me to record them. Yeah, and you know, let's do a full on interview with you. That's official.

[Chris]

Several hundred.

[Preston Dennett]

So, yeah.

[Chris]

And with all of that, you've been able to map out a clear, or at least a pretty clear picture of what's going on?

[Preston Dennett]

I think so.

[Chris]

So what's your gestalt on all of this? Where do we start here? How do you see the phenomenon? What is it we're interacting with? Are we interacting with more than one thing? And what's the goal, according to you? These are questions I want to know. These are.

[Preston Dennett]

It's a loaded question.

[Chris]

I know it's a loaded question, but answer it as you see fit. I would, you know, I give you the floor.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, I know there's all these theories. People are like, oh, it's a phenomena. It's an intelligence that wears different masks. I don't subscribe to that.

[Chris]

The Jacques Vallee sort of school you don't subscribe to?

[Preston Dennett]

No, I know that there are little people, fairies and gnomes, which I think are real. I don't think they're ETs. Personally, I don't lump all this phenomena into one thing. I don't think they're time travelers from the future. I've scoured the literature. I have no cases that really speak to that. So they're certainly not demonic. I know that's a very popular explanation. So I dove into all of that. I mean, I became a paranormal researcher.

[Chris]

Ghosts, demons, angels, exorcisms, levitations, all of that stuff.

[Preston Dennett]

Multiple personality even. They have missing time.

[Chris]

That's right.

[Preston Dennett]

So I looked into all of that. No, I don't think it's demonic. I honestly think we are dealing with people like us who certainly have a much better understanding of other dimensions, psychic abilities and things like this. But they're all humanoid. Almost without exception, I'm expecting aliens to have tentacles. As a skeptic and just the blob or something.

[Chris]

Sure.

[Preston Dennett]

And that's not what we're seeing.

[Chris]

We're seeing bipedal.

[Preston Dennett]

Some look just like us.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

So what does this mean? I think it means our relationship to them is a lot closer than we realize. And that certainly comes up in contactee accounts because contactees will get the message, we are you, you are us. We are one. That exact phrasing. I've heard that probably a half dozen times. Exactly that. But something along the lines of, we share a common ancestry. We're not that different. We used to look just like you. The Grays. Yeah. I actually had what they call a download once, which I always wondered about. People are describing their experiences.

[Chris]

It feels nebulous. A little bit. Ye.

[Preston Dennett]

I'm not quite sure what you mean because you can only understand so much through words, but I was just out of my mind trying to figure out who are these Grays. And I was lying there in bed just thinking about it. And then. It's hard to describe. Suddenly it's like a vision just pouring into my mind. A lot of knowledge all at once. And what they showed me was a human male, nice looking guy. Suddenly the next frame is he's losing a little bit of his hair. And it started going real fast, like a deck of cards. Image after image after image. And I saw his face kind of just melt away. The nose got damaged, the lips, the head got bigger, the hair went away completely. And the message was, they are human. They have a different ancestry. They have damage done through radiation. That was the message I got. But Grays are human. That's my personal message. So that answered something.

[Chris]

But not all of them, though.

[Preston Dennett]

No. But before I get into the whole agenda or you know, what I think's going on, can I tell you my own experience?

[Chris]

Please. Yes, yes, we skipped over that. Yes, absolutely. This is something. Okay, yeah. I didn't know this. And you know, I've watched some of your videos, I'm reading your books, and I'm getting familiar with a lot of your work. But I guess one thing that's somehow just eluded this is your own onboard ET experience. And so you shared this with me over dinner yesterday, and I had a visceral reaction to this. I was literally dumbfounded. Now, I mean, it is the craziest confirmation for me, for you, that you could ever hope for as a UFO researcher. You got to go on board a ufo.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. It's funny. People think, well, he's, he's a UFO researcher, you know, he's making it up. I can only tell you what I experienced. And like I said, I think if you get involved in the subject, you. I was circling around it, they were circling around me.

[Chris]

Where did this happen physically? In Reseda. Was it a remote area? No, no.

[Preston Dennett]

There's 2 million people in the San Fernando Valley. It's more densely populated than all of Wyoming. I mean there's.

[Chris]

And where were you when this happened?

[Preston Dennett]

I was in this little house in Reseda. 800 square feet, house on one side, another completely surrounded. And I'm in my bedroom, I'm dreaming, you know, just a normal dream, blah, blah, blah. And then I wake up, you know, and I'm fully awake now because I am being pulled through the wall. I can see this kind of hole in the wall. I'm like, okay. And then I've been hurtling through space. And here's the weird thing. I recognize this feeling. I knew that this had happened to me before. It's a very electric feeling, a mild electric shock.

[Chris]

Is this anything like an out of body experience?

[Preston Dennett]

No, I mean really, I've had a lot of OBEs.

[Chris]

That's what that was. My next question, because I know you've mentioned this last night as well, and I, being a little familiar with out of body experiences, having had a few of my own, I know that there is an objective difference between a dream and an out of body state. Like it is objectively different, but there are subtle similarities as well because you're in this sort of wishy washy, weird mind state, but you're completely lucid and you can look around, look at your hands, ask yourself questions, you can touch things. Like it's. It's very sort of real, but there is a dreamlike quality to it. I don't even like using the word dream because then people jump straight to, oh, must be a lucid dream. It's not. There's a difference. But you're saying that this experience of you being pulled through the wall was different from that as well. Was it more real?

[Preston Dennett]

When you're OBE there, it's the environment almost seems more real. I mean, it's super vivid. And as you progress with it, that dreamlike aspect kind of goes away and you really begin to get a control of what's going on, really where you go, what you can do. So it's dreamlike in the beginning, but it starts to really get more clear. And this was different.

[Chris]

It was different.

[Preston Dennett]

Oh yeah. I mean, I don't know how to describe it, but I felt like I'm flying through space in my body.

[Chris]

I'm so mind blown right now. Is it closer to this reality or closer to the OBE reality or closer to, like, something else?

[Preston Dennett]

It's a little different.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

I mean, it is a little different from just walking around.

[Chris]

Yeah. Okay. Obviously.

[Preston Dennett]

But I wouldn't equate it to the obeid.

[Chris]

Okay, Good to know.

[Preston Dennett]

Because it felt physical. I mean, I could feel it. And this was 30 seconds of me flying through space. That's a long time. Because I'm like, okay, I'm being taken. This is awesome. I remember this happening. This is crazy. I hope I get to stay with them. This is what's going through my mind. Because after I had that missing time experience, I did start to recall some of what happened. I remember being on a craft and they were showing free energy motors and the wall peeled back. They showed the Milky Way. I saw how they pull up water into their craft. They'll sit you in the pilot seat and fly you around. These are kind of dream flashback memories that I pulled back by just meditating. I never did hypnosis. I'm kind of interested in trying it, but I really wanted to do it the way I always recommend conscious people, you know, write it down, meditate, work with dreams. Betty Hill, she remembered her whole encounter by just dreaming about it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

So at any rate, I'm flying through space. I'm like, this is great. I am loving this. And suddenly I didn't see the craft. I'm on a table, and there's this very tall woman standing next to me looking down at me. She is rail thin, snow white jumpsuit, huge blue wraparound eyes, tiny little nose, tiny little mouth, very tightly curled blonde hair, very short and just really nice. And she's looking down at me. There's little guys around me, but I'm not really looking at him. And I'm trying to get up, and she puts her hand on my chest like, no, no, we need to make sure you're fine. I'm like, I'm fine. I've done this. Let's go. She's like, no, no, no, we need to check you out first. And I'm looking around, right? Like, this is a. There's the round room. Look, there's the walls. This is insane. I've talked to so many people, and here it is happening to me. This is my birthday, by the way. This is my birthday.

[Chris]

This is 2022.

[Preston Dennett]

Yep, May 6th.

[Chris]

So only four years ago.

[Ram]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

It's the ultimate, you know. Cause I, you know how long I wanted this? This is insane.

[Chris]

I can't. I can't imagine.

[Preston Dennett]

I wish for this. I'd be. I'd be out there at night, come

[Chris]

down, I'm ready and it's happening. Are you saying to yourself, it's happening? Oh my God, it's happening.

[Preston Dennett]

I did have a gray, I think once. Come to my bedroom. Scared the living daylights out of me. I woke up because I thought I felt a cat walking across my bed. I don't have a cat.

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[Preston Dennett]

And I opened my eyes and there's something standing next to my bed that's real thin. And it started out of my room like nobody's business. My heart went oh. Scared the daylights out of me. I didn't get up, didn't investigate. I've talked to so many people who were like, no, I didn't do anything. I'm like, what? I get it now. I get how People can completely forget a UFO encounter because I've had this. So I'm on this table and finally they let me up. And so I leap literally to my feet. This is a very low table and there is this very tall gray who I instantly recognize. Now you're going to be talking to Dolly Safran. She's a contactee I interviewed. I wrote a book about her case. And she describes this tall gray that she calls Mama. And that was her. I knew instantly. There's a weird knowing, you know, they communicate very effectively telepathically. She's 7ft tall, if not 8 and 10ft away. And I go right to her because she is the most beautiful creature I've ever seen. She is a gray. I mean, the big eyes, tiny little nose, she's full on ET not like this other lady who was clearly a hybrid. She looked human.

[Chris]

Half human. Yeah, half human.

[Preston Dennett]

But she's wearing this kind of smock. And I looking up at her and she tilts her head, leans forward and said telepathically. So is this what you thought it would be like? And I'm like, no, this is so much better. This is amazing. And she kind of chuckled. She was amused. I'm like, can I explore? Go ahead. Which is. So I'm looking around. We're in a 50 foot wide room, round.

[Chris]

Any features on the walls?

[Preston Dennett]

There was a row of windows all the way around.

[Chris]

Were there archways?

[Preston Dennett]

I didn't see any. Okay, there might be some stuff I don't remember. But what I do remember is going to the other side and looking down at the earth, which is round, by the way. And I'm estimating we're 500 miles up from looking at. Because I'm like, how high up are we? It wasn't a tiny little globe off in the distance?

[Chris]

No. Yeah, you're still in the orbit.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. And I'm like, wow, look at that. This is insane. So I turn around and I go to the center of the craft where there are two rows of people standing and they're in a daze, they're out of it. I'm like, well, that's weird. You know, there's a black guy, a lady, so different ethnicities. So I go up to this girl, I'm like, hey, my name's Preston. What's your name? And she's just ba.

[Chris]

No, not there.

[Preston Dennett]

No. And I wanted to like shake her

[Chris]

and like pick up. Lights are on, but no one's home.

[Preston Dennett]

I realized probably, no, don't mess with her. She's. I Turn and I look, and there's full on grays. These kind of five foot tall. And that one made my heart leap up a little bit because they look different.

[Chris]

How different? They don't look friendly or do they look. I don't know.

[Preston Dennett]

It was different from mama who's just. They just looked really alien.

[Chris]

Oh, my gosh.

[Preston Dennett]

I don't know. It's hard to describe. They're typical grays.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

But it's like, oh, my God, I'm here.

[Chris]

Jumpsuits.

[Preston Dennett]

Yep.

[Chris]

What color were they wearing?

[Preston Dennett]

Gray.

[Chris]

Gray jumpsuits.

[Preston Dennett]

I can see why people think they're naked. I don't think so.

[Chris]

Oh, you think it's just like a skin type. Yo. I see.

[Preston Dennett]

Because people aren't seeing, you know, the anatomy that is there. I do believe.

[Chris]

Right. Under certain light condition. Oh, you believe they have genitals?

[Preston Dennett]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

I've got reports of it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

It's rare, but, yeah. Then I saw this lady, you know, I think she's Korean. I worked with the Korean girls. Looked just like her. Don't think it was her, but she's fully conscious. She's like, whoa, look at. And she's over by the other side. So I walk over to her, and I'm about to ask her, you know, what's your name? You know, I'm Preston. I want to verify, you know, this is.

[Chris]

Yes, yes. Can you get a last name, anything?

[Preston Dennett]

Because that would be like, something else.

[Chris]

I mean, that would be one of the biggest cases ever.

[Preston Dennett]

Right. So I'm about to, you know, say, hey, when they drop the ship, you know, mine, we're like 500 miles up down to the earth in a second. Literally one second. And I'm looking down at this view, and there's these little symbols that's overlaid over the window on almost like Google Maps, kind of.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

These are like squirrelies and alien symbols. I don't know what they mean. But we're suddenly right down or 10ft above the. And the craft rocks like this.

[Chris]

Like it's on a wave.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. And I could. I felt that.

[Chris]

Like it's on the water.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. Because I didn't feel anything. You know, like when you're in an elevator and you're weightless. Yeah, I didn't feel that.

[Chris]

But the craft itself was behaving, though, as though it was. You hear about this, obviously, you know, one of the more famous cases being the Chuck Clark video. And the craft sort of oscillating.

[Preston Dennett]

I look for that when I interview someone.

[Chris]

And you saw that, you Felt that?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was so cool. And then, boom, we're going. We're back up, and the next thing. So I turn around and I. Because mama is calling. She's, like, calling to me. The tall gray. She hands me a cup like this, but half the size, and it's thick. It's a thick glass tumbler. And there's this green liquid. I'm thinking, okay, I wrote an article about this alien drinks. I know what's going on here. I don't. Well, I don't know completely. But there it is, the green liquid. And she's like, go ahead, drink it. I'm like, okay, I trust you. And I sniff everything. So I'm like, don't really smell it. It's thicker than water. It's almost syrupy.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

And light green.

[Chris]

Dark green.

[Preston Dennett]

Light green. Translucent.

[Chris]

Looks like ooze. Yeah, like the Ninja Turtle ooze.

[Preston Dennett]

It was maybe 3 ounces. It's not a lot.

[Chris]

And that was the same liquid that Dolly had described as.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, yeah, I've heard this from a lot of people.

[Chris]

Well, the same tumbler, even, right?

[Preston Dennett]

Well, I asked her about it. Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah. Because in symmetry, she writes about the tumbler as well, being thicker. And so that stuck out to me.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Huh. So you're getting all this confirmation.

[Preston Dennett]

It's different, though, you know, because you get this idea in your head of what people are. People are saying, oh, the walls are rounded. In my head, I'm thinking, it's an egg. No, it's not like that. The floor's flat, and then it rounds up. Well, this came down like a dome. I've had other experiences, though, that I recall. I mean, once I found myself on board. This is a memory, right? And there was a little table, and there was this tall, tall, white. I could not focus on his face. Wouldn't let me see it. And he said, do you want to see the other room? And they showed me what looked like a power source. That's what he said it was. And it was just slats kind of in a metal thing. And my vision was going in and out. But he pointed to the corner of the room and said, look there. I turned the wall transparent. We were underwater.

[Ram]

Whoa.

[Preston Dennett]

I'm like, oh, my God. I mean, I've got quite a few of these kind of things.

[Chris]

But let me ask you about the transparent wall, because that is a recurring thing as well. Whether it's. Bob Lazar talks about that in the craft. The wall going just transparent and becoming like some type of screen. I've heard another guy, Jesus Hofremia, who is from Spain, who talked about this as well as he got a tour in the ship which looked, you know, again, disc shaped by these human like entities and they were showing him around the walls just disappeared like they were. But there is also the Aztec craft was rumored to also have that through high powered tests, high powered voltage that it would go.

[Preston Dennett]

I suspect we have this technology somewhere.

[Chris]

And so. But a lot of the reports were that it wasn't completely see through. Was this completely like it wasn't there. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

It's not like looking through glass.

[Chris]

It wasn't like looking through like some fuzzy. No, no. It was clear as day.

[Preston Dennett]

You'd think you could stick your hand through it.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

I mean it was empty.

[Chris]

Understood.

[Preston Dennett]

But yeah, we were underwater. I didn't see anything but water. I'm like, wow, look at that.

[Chris]

So when you're back on this craft and the mama calls you towards her, you didn't get the other lady's name?

[Preston Dennett]

No, I didn't.

[Chris]

Do you kick yourself sometimes? I bet you do.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. I would have stayed with them, honestly, because there was a feeling there, like no one's going to lie here. No one's going to kill me. I don't have to pay money. You know, it's a different place. It's like advanced. I'm like, wow, I felt at home. Really unbelievable. It's just a different feeling. But she's like, okay, drink this. I'm like, okay. And I took a sip and I could taste it. A little bit of kiwi, a little bit of lime. That's the closest I can get to it.

[Chris]

Sure.

[Preston Dennett]

And you know, it wasn't bad.

[Chris]

A little. Yeah, a little sour.

[Preston Dennett]

And she takes it away from me. I'm like, hey, dude, I thought you gave me this was mine. And she's like, okay, you want another sip? Go ahead. She looked at me like I was insane. I'm like, no, really, I'd like another sip. And I did and blacked out. I'm up in bed, snapping fingers. I'm back in bed. So I asked Dolly about this. I'm like, they gave me the liquid. What is this? This is to prevent, you know, it helps with radiation exposure. That's kind of a medicine, nutrition type thing.

[Chris]

So you have radiation, you're exposed to radiation on the craft?

[Preston Dennett]

Apparently.

[Chris]

Yep. Through them. Perhaps because they might be radioactive themselves.

[Preston Dennett]

Yep.

[Chris]

Partially explains their physique and their, you know, why they look the way they do.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. Dolly can go into more detail about that. Yeah, that was My onboard experience, the best one, fully conscious.

[Ram]

Whoa.

[Preston Dennett]

A birthday present. Intentionally, by the way.

[Chris]

Four years ago, man, that is like. Because you hear about a lot of these cases and when people describe them you go, yeah, but you were nine or you were seven or you were four. Do you know what I mean? And after time, not that it has no merit, because I think it does. It's just that people, they have a hard time sitting on 50 plus years of memory and being like, you can't count on that. But this happened four years ago. There is no way that that is just some weird like memory trigger. That is objectively, you were researching UFOs and aliens and ETs and then you found yourself on board. Did you have your memories of your previous encounters unlocked after or prior to that?

[Preston Dennett]

Prior, Prior. I worked hard at it and I did a lot of meditation. Like I need to remember what happened during this missing time. This is driving me crazy. And I started to remember how many.

[Chris]

So you meditate still regularly?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

What do you use? You use like hemisync?

[Preston Dennett]

I tried hemisync, I didn't like it. Yeah, it felt like it was forcing the out of body experience. And to me it feels like it should unfold naturally. And I didn't really need it at that point. I was already doing it pretty regularly.

[Chris]

You're already leaving your body.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, yeah. Which incidentally and perhaps not coincidentally happened at the same time. I started doing UFO research and interviewing so many people who've had contacts and like, oh yeah, I started having out of body experiences at the same time. I'm like, okay, click, click, click, dots are connecting here.

[Chris]

Just blowing, this is blowing my mind.

[Preston Dennett]

I never talked about, you know, I'm doing a lot of research and people would say, oh, you've had your own encounter. I'm like, yeah, I saw this. Orbit came down. It took me a while to even realize that was a missing time incident.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Cause I'm like, God, I don't remember driving home. I've had a lot of sightings. I'll write em down, I'll tell people that no, that one slipped by me.

[Chris]

Very strange, very anomalous. Yeah, that would stand out. Because it's easy to say I don't remember something because we don't remember most things. But when it's something of that nature, something that you're studying that you take so seriously, you would, you would remember that, you know, so for you to not remember it, that would stand out going, oh, sorry, go ahead, you want

[Preston Dennett]

to get to the ET Agenda now.

[Chris]

Well, before we do, I mean, yeah, you want to circle back to obes a little bit later. Because I want to. I definitely want to dive into there because I have questions of my own. As you know, I'm exploring this space as well.

[Preston Dennett]

I love the OB's. I could talk forever on those.

[Chris]

So let's talk about it. We can save the ET agenda for a little bit later. I feel like. I feel. I feel like there's not much we can do about it. Anyways. The OBE stuff is really interesting. As you know. I explained to you last night. I had two spontaneous out of body experiences back to back. A month after interviewing Joe McMonagle where he talked to me about out of body experience. Up to that point, I had never heard of it. And it wasn't even in my mind when it happened. Like, I had no idea when people said astral travel or out of body, like near death experiences, that's where my head went. And I was like, okay. People floating in the hospital room seeing their body. That is as far as my head goes. When it happened to me, I was just. I didn't even know what was happening when it happened. It took me like several days to be like, was that what I was experiencing? Like an out of body? But like you said, I was researching this stuff when it happened to me. Um, and so that's really strange. But then even stranger is I remember and I documented this as I was meditating for months, trying to leave my body, trying to have that epic adventure, willfully doing it instead of some accident, you know. And when it finally happened, I was so excited. I couldn't see anything. Everything was dark. I was just. I knew, but I knew I was out. Right There was the vibratory sense. I knew I was out. And I remember in that sort of haze, I wanted to go to Paris for some. I was like, paris, Paris, Paris. But as I said it, my voice went like. I can only describe, like, deep. Like the devil. It was like, Paris, Paris, Paris. Like, it was like the darkest. And it scared the crap out of me, hearing my own voice. And I said this to you yesterday at dinner, and you go, oh, yeah, me too. That happened to you. You had the same.

[Preston Dennett]

In the beginning. Yeah, in the beginning stages. That happened a couple of times. Several, actually. It's the weirdest thing. I've tried to talk and come up. I'm like, what the heck? Can I not talk? I had a hard time in the beginning learning how to see.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Preston Dennett]

How to move.

[Chris]

Everything was fuzzy for me at first, like low saturated, almost like a black and white.

[Preston Dennett]

For me, how it unrolled was in 1984. My mom passed away. 49, pretty darn young, major heart attack. Devastated, of course, because I don't believe in life after death. We never talked about it in my family. I thought everyone was skeptical of all this stuff. Some weren't. They were kind of hiding. But two weeks later, I see her ghost, her spirit at the service. My dad's driving up in the car, and I see her sitting next to him and drives right up. I am right there. And she's, you know, she's got a great posture. She's always, you know, telling sit up straight. And I had people on either side of me, of course. And I'm looking at them, and they're not saying anything. And I'm not going to say anything because I don't believe in this. I think I'm hallucinating. You know, I've never taken hallucinogenics. I've never really hallucinated. So that's what I'm thinking because I can see her full color. Then she kind of pixelates away. I'm like, well, I've lost my mind. I'm clearly delirious with grief. This is my secret. I'm never telling anybody because, you know, it doesn't look good on me. And that's the first weird experience. You know, I did have a few paranormal experiences as a young kid, but that's an aside. Well, anyway, about a year after she died, I started waking up in my room. Because she would walk in and I thought I was sitting up in bed. I'd be like, mom, you're dead. What the. What is going on? And she just kind of smile at me and say, it's okay, you know, I'm okay. That happened 10 times, 20 each time. And then I would wake up for real. So false awakening. And now looking back, I'm like, oh, these were probably Pre Lucid or OBEs that I wasn't clicking to. And it got me interested in dreams. Lucid dreaming, which I pursued and couldn't really do it. And then I found Robert Monroe's book. Like, I'd like to give Robert Monroe a big thanks here. Cause he really helped me a lot. His book, Journeys out of the Body. I love his books.

[Chris]

Yeah, same.

[Preston Dennett]

But I read his book. I'm like, wow, this guy did it. He's clearly honest, mapping it out. I'm like, this is crazy. This sounds a little scary, actually. But he's like, you can do this. All you have to do. And he gave little exercises, relaxing and stuff like this meditation. I'm like, okay. Because that's the kind of researcher I am. I'm like, I went ghost hunting. I saw ghosts. You know, I went Bigfoot hunting. I had a Bigfoot experience. You know, I'm looking for UFOs, had those. I'm like, okay, OBEs. This is something I can sink my teeth into. I can do this because it's a natural human talent, you know, this is not something that only yogis can do. Anyone can do this. And he gave the exercises and I doubled down. I meditated an hour a day. And immediately my dream recall doubled and tripled and quadrupled. I started having pretty lucid dreams. I'll never forget my first actual ob. I go into my room. I'm a little depressed. A lot's going on. You know, I'm in college. My car's not working. I've got this UFO thing I'm trying to handle. And now I'm like, you know, still dealing with my mom's death. So it's a lot going on for a young man. I need to move out at this point because, you know, I'm still living at home. So, you know, a lot's going on. And I lay down on my stomach and all of a sudden I feel the vibrations. Robert Monroe talked. It'll be a mild electric shock. It wasn't mild. I was absolutely sure I had stuck my finger in the light socket next to my bed because I was being electrocuted. And suddenly there's this pop and I flew out of my body. I'm flying on control out of the room, across the hallway and into the bathroom. I finally managed to stand up and I grabbed the counter and I'm looking in the mirror. There's nobody there. I am out of body. This is real. There is life after death. This is amazing. It's a whole. In that one second, my life changed. And I got so excited. Whoosh, right back into my body. There was someone in my room, by the way, some five foot tall, maybe four foot. I'm like, who's that? What? My vision's so cloudy I can't see. And I'm, you know, horizontal. And I drop back into my body. I jump up, like, feeling really good now. Like, I did it. I'm doing examination.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

So I did that the next weekend. Same darn experience. Third time I wake up and I'm standing next to my bed in the middle of the night. I'm like, oh, I'M so dizzy. You know, what's going on? I'm disoriented. And I shake my head. I'm like, oh, okay. What am I doing standing next to my bed? And I look down and there's my body. So now I'm thinking, I'm dead. I died. This was probably not a good idea. I dived back in and I had to wiggle into my body. I'm like, oh, my God, this is taking. Where's my arm? It scared me. Yeah, it did. And I woke up and I almost forgot it. I came that close to forgetting it. But from that point on, I'm like, okay, I'm all in. I'd pop out. I'd be like, I did it. Whoosh. Right back in.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

It took me a year to just relax enough to calm down. I'm okay. And then I would be floating in the middle of my room like a spider. I'm like, this is not working. Finally, I learned just think I would go through the door or the ceiling, fly up over the house. I slowly explored, learned to get farther away from the house. And I wanted to see my mom is what I really wanted to do. Because this is why I wanted to do it. Like, is there life after death? And eventually she came and we hugged, and it was the most amazing reunion you can imagine. And eventually, you know, I popped out. I'm like, mom, where are you? You know, I'm here meeting you halfway. Where are you? And she appeared, looking. Yup. And you should see me out of body. You know, I'm mostly bald. I had great hair when I was young. I used to get compliments and, you know, I worked out. I'm. Oh, man, I look good, if I say so myself.

[Chris]

How do you know that you look good?

[Preston Dennett]

You can see. You're like, oh, yeah. And you can create a mirror.

[Chris]

Yeah. Oh, you can make one.

[Preston Dennett]

Oh, yeah. You can create anything you want. Once you get good at it. You can just. Thoughts are things you can create.

[Chris]

It's like instant manifest. Yeah, that's how I felt too. When it happened to me. It was a little scary. It was very scary. It was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life. The OB's, because there is a clear. A sense of careful what you think about. And it was like I. I knew that instantly. And as soon as it happened to me, the first thought was, I want to go into a UFO and see an alien. This is the first thought that I had, but it was such a micro second. And right away I was. I negated it. I said, no, no, no, I'm not ready for that. That's too scary. And I knew that if I did that, that might have happened.

[Ram]

And.

[Chris]

And so that realization hit me within like a fraction of a second that, careful now. Whatever you want, you're gonna get. And if it's good or bad, you're gonna get it. And so I was, like, very cognizant of this. And I describe it as, like, walking a tightrope of fear of like, I just gotta stay on this tightrope. And I literally. One foot in front of the other. I'm. I got blinders on. I do not wanna look over there for fear of seeing something I don't wanna see. And I'm just walking straight and narrow and talking to myself, being like, oh, my God, it's happening. Okay, just calm down and just. I'm doing this.

[Ram]

And.

[Chris]

And. And, you know, as I told you, I heard. I hear this, like, female voice being like, what are you doing? And that. Just scared, like, did not want to hear that. Please don't talk to me. And I went right back to my body. And that was the last time.

[Preston Dennett]

It's safe. You should know. I mean, it's as safe as sleeping. You're doing it every night.

[Chris]

I know that, though. But there's a difference between that and then as soon as you're in. And it's like. And you're in the upside down. And now you're like, oh, my God.

[Preston Dennett]

Like, it's.

[Chris]

It's terrifying.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, it's called the emotional body as well. And your emotions come in full force.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

When I say I was excited, I'm kind of dumb.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

I was beyond excited. And when you're afraid, it's biofeedback. Kind of doubles, doubles, doubles. And you're like.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And I would get really angry sometimes. I was ready to wreck the place.

[Chris]

Whoa.

[Preston Dennett]

I would get overcome with lust. And I could go into that, but it's too X ray.

[Chris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

But I dealt with that.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And I would create feasts. I get hungry. I would create feasts of food. Always the same. I'd create chick. My favorite foods. Chicken nuggets, brownies, sour cream and onion, potato chips, Neapolitan ice cream, a glass of orange juice.

[Chris]

And it would just all appear on a table.

[Preston Dennett]

And I'd just gorge, which disappears right around here. You can't get full. So I can kind of understand what, you know, a hungry ghost is. That's a term or people who die who are addicted to something you cannot can't feed it. You cannot satisfy it. But I got through all of that. And eventually my mom took me to the other side where it's more beautiful than words can describe. The green sparkle. Everything sparkles. It's all radiating light from within. You can't be in a good mood if you wanted to. There's no way. It is literally. I'm not a religious guy, but it's the heavenly realms. I'll take that.

[Chris]

So you can't be in a bad mood if you want to. Right? Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

Now there are lower realms. I've explored those. And those are dark.

[Chris]

So you've done quite the explorations you've done.

[Preston Dennett]

I've gotten good at it. I bought every book I could find. This became a big part of my life. It's like discovering a whole new world. It's like once you're in, you're in. Like, this isn't. I don't know why everyone isn't doing this.

[Chris]

It's the same feeling I had when it happened to me. I was like, I need to tell everyone about this. It would change your life. I think that's part of the Monroe protocol too, right? Robert Monroe had this. Was it. You call it like the tthat 1000 or something like that. Or the M1000. He wanted a thousand people or 10,000 people. I forget what the number was. To experience an obe because he believed that if you had an obe, if everyone had an obe, there would be no more wars. And I believe that. I truly do. If everyone felt that feeling crazy, it changes the lens with which you view reality.

[Preston Dennett]

It exploded my psychic abilities. I started having telepathy. I knew what people were thinking at work. I'm like, you're lying to me. I could hear them talking. They'd be talking to me, they're thinking something else and it gets garbled. I'm like, what did you just say? Because I'm hearing something else. I mean, it's crazy. I started having precognition dreams that come true visions. Driving to get some money out of the bank, right. I'm like, God, this vision is coming to my head of someone standing in front of the ready teller. And he's a six foot tall guy in a leather vest, bare chested, long hair down to here. And he's whipping it around like a maniac. What the heck, you know, why is this coming to my mind? This is insane. And I come around the corner of the bank and there, there of course he is, right in front of the ready teller doing exactly what I saw. I'm like, okay, I'm not going. I got the message. I'm not going to get cash out of that ready teller because this guy was dangerous. Clearly. But a lot of stuff like that, it's crazy, it's insane. So it ramps up your psychic abilities. And I'd come back, I'd feel what people were feeling. I had to be care. I couldn't watch violence on movies. It was just too much.

[Chris]

I felt that way after the Monroe Institute, after coming back from spending a week doing the gateway process. Have you been there?

[Preston Dennett]

No.

[Chris]

You should go.

[Preston Dennett]

I would have loved to do it at the time. I didn't have the time or the money.

[Chris]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure, like because you're in this field and have an audience and everything else, they would probably like. I don't wanna speak for them, but I'll speak for them. I'm pretty sure they would, they would do for free.

[Preston Dennett]

Oh, wow.

[Chris]

Yeah, I, I think they should. Anyways. Um, I think you should definitely. Because I, I feel like you would be also. Cause there, there are teachers and stuff there too. Coaches. But I feel like you'd have a lot of input based on your experience.

[Preston Dennett]

I, I teach people how to do this. Now I've got a little two page guide I put together.

[Chris]

Really?

[Preston Dennett]

Oh yeah.

[Chris]

Can we link that for the audience? Because I'm sure a lot of the audience is going to be really into that.

[Preston Dennett]

I always tell people, just email me. Preston UFO easy to remember. Gmail.com. perfect. And it's two pages. I really narrowed it down. There's ways to do this of your,

[Chris]

of your steps that you take.

[Ram]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

There's only four obstacles preventing people from doing this. Fear people. It freaks them out. Skepticism. Oh, I don't think I can do it. Ignorance. They have no idea. You know, it's applied knowledge. That's all it is. And laziness. I tell people the steps and they don't do them. You do these steps, I almost guarantee you will start having these experiences. I can't guarantee it of course, but yeah, some people have a steep learning curve. They're really afraid. Others I've told people like, you can do this. Come to my seminar. They come to the seminar. I already did it. All you have to do is even know about it sometimes. Yeah, so. But it's. I can't recommend it enough. You can visit your past lives. Enlightened masters. That is crazy. Healing temples. Oh, the stuff you can do is just crazy. Secret schools kind of classes to do. Telekinesis. And there's all those superhuman powers. You're there, you're flying, you're doing telepathy, you're doing telekinesis. Healing. That's a big part of it. I was taken to heal people occasionally.

[Chris]

Like, real people? Yeah, people that were, like, in hospitals and stuff.

[Preston Dennett]

One was my sister. A couple of people. I have no idea who they are.

[Chris]

Were you with anybody when this happened, or were you alone?

[Preston Dennett]

No. Oh, they guided me.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

I'm almost always alone. By the way, Robert Monroe, he's got his guide. I'm like, what the heck? Occasionally I would have guides, but usually no.

[Chris]

And they brought you to heal people. Now, that's interesting because you have a whole, you know. Was it. Your first book was the 300 Cases of Healing Extraterrestrials? It's very fascinating.

[Preston Dennett]

It was 100 in my first book. I reissued it. I found every time I'd speak, someone would come up like, this is more common than people realize.

[Chris]

You're going to get a lot of that after this. I guarantee you.

[Preston Dennett]

You're gonna have.

[Chris]

You'll have enough to write 10 books after this interview. There's gonna be a lot of people, I'm sure, that are gonna reach out with these stories.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, the healing is absolutely. And I can say this hands down, this is not speculation. It's a part of the ET agenda. This is why people are being pulled on board. For one reason, certainly, because people are taught if you're gonna get on an onboard experience, you're almost certainly gonna be examined. And this is so scary for people. I understand that these are aliens, and you're like, I can't move. What's going on? This is crazy. Evil.

[Ram]

Evil.

[Preston Dennett]

Evil. Well, actually, you know, they're saying to you right now, don't be afraid. No harm will come to you. First thing, that every time people are taken aboard, they will say that without exception. And this is when people. If you're panicking and you're in complete fear, you're probably going to have missing time, and that's all you're going to remember. And, yeah, it's a negative experience. And you can call the ETs evil. Actually, I've interviewed, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people. About 5%, three will say, oh, they were evil. They were there to hurt me. The very worst I hear, is this exam occasionally painful because. But you can touch a person, and if they're afraid, ah, you hurt me. You know what I mean? So I think one of the main reasons that people are being on board is a physical checkup because they will often heal you. One of my first cases, a lady was healed of an ovarian or cyst in her fallopian tubes. Well, verified she had. Went to the doctors and they're like, oh, my God, you had an operation. This was the day before she was supposed to have her operation. Grays came to her room, and so she goes to the doctor and like, well, we can't find the cyst. It looks like you have had an operation. Where'd you go? She's like, she played dumb. But they said, well, there's fluid here in your fallopian tube. We know you've had an operation. This looks like a laser scar. Oh, my God. This is not the only healing case I've heard of.

[Chris]

Whoa.

[Preston Dennett]

Because there's. Jacques Vallee had a very famous case of a medical doctor in France, was healed of ax wound on his foot and partial paralysis in the Algerian war. I instantly thought of that police officer. That's Robert good and Deputy McCoy, Damon, Texas. They're driving in their patrol car. A UFOs there sends down this beam of light, heals him of a wound on his finger. His son's baby pet alligator had bitten him and healed it instantly. I'm thinking of all these other cases. A case in Brazil of a little girl healed of cancer. Ralph and Judy Blum wrote about a case of a Peruvian customs official who's on his veranda. UFO shines down a beam of light, cures him of rheumatism and weirdly, myopia, nearsightedness. Crazy stuff. So I started. I'm like, I'm going to write an article about this because I've got my own case. And here's a few that this subject hadn't gotten any attention, really. There was one article written before mine, that was by Gordon Creighton of the Flying Saucer Review. And so I found that. But I found like, 30, 40 cases off the bat. I'm like, wow, I can't write an article about this. This is a book. I dug in. I found 100 cases now 300. Yeah. And I can tell you this. Almost every major researcher out there has cases.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

David Jacobs, he's not thrilled with the ETs.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

You know, fine. But he's got a case of someone cured of diphtheria. I found her case and she's like, well, he misrepresented it a little bit. My encounter was actually really nice. She loved it.

[Chris]

So there was some fitting it into that threat narrative on David's Behalf, you think?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, I mean, I love him, he's a great researcher. Anyone who enters this field, kudos. Yeah, I'm very happy to see that.

[Ram]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Because he helped a lot.

[Chris]

Definitely.

[Preston Dennett]

But Bud Hopkins, he never wrote about it. I cornered him in a convention. I'm like, bud, do you have healing cases? And he's like, well, actually, yeah, we've got quite a few. And I'm really encouraged. You know, this shows a good side of the ETs. Yeah, let's see. John Mack, Barbara Lamb, Yvonne Smith, Edith Fiore, Tim Beckley, Brad Steiger, I mean, Michael Hesselman, RD6, Killer Clark, you, name and research. I bet you they have a case if they're focusing on the onboard experiences in particular, they all have them.

[Chris]

And orbs too, just coming in and healing people. And in hospitals specifically, there's a lot of cases of that, of just these orbs coming in over people and just healing them.

[Preston Dennett]

Insane. Yeah. Any UFO researcher knows an encounter can happen anywhere. Yeah, you know, crowded suburb, it doesn't matter. But in a hospital. You're kidding me. I found about 10 to 15%, maybe up to 20, took place in a hospital room. Really well verified cases, some of these.

[Chris]

Yeah. Multiple sightings, like multiple people, multiple witnesses.

[Preston Dennett]

Yep.

[Chris]

And so, yeah, I. I can see how easy it is to conflate that with miraculous religious events. Yeah, I see how that ties in. And I see why maybe some researchers might be a little reticent or reluctant to want to discuss the healing stuff, because it does seem to cross over into the religious dogmatic spectrum. You know, we look at cases like Chris Bledsoe, a very famous case as of late, and clearly some healing elements there, not only with the ETs, but specifically with Chris himself.

[Preston Dennett]

Not unusual, by the way.

[Chris]

Not unusual. Yeah, we had Eric Dansteel who was here, who said that him, as a child in the hospital, healed another boy after an encounter with Norb. And so, yeah, I can see why people would be a little pulled back from that topic.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, look at it this way. When this subject became popular, most UFO researchers wouldn't even touch the humanoid cases. That took a while to bleed into mainstream research.

[Chris]

Right? You mean like the space brothers type at all?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, Donald Keyhope wouldn't touch humanoid cases, which, you know, I understand it was new subject and last thing you want to do is bring in the woo. But crash retrievals, no one would touch those either. And now it's the forefront of research and really the heart of the UFO phenomenon is, to me, firsthand contact cases. Same because that's where everything we know, let's face it, about ETs, comes from one source, and that's the people who've seen them. I don't trust the government on this subject. These recent disclosures. You know what? Three days ago, I looked at the films. I'm like, really?

[Chris]

Yeah. They're lackluster at best.

[Preston Dennett]

Let's see. The Air Force was. Edwards Air Force Base landing. Cooper was there when it was filmed. He saw the film. They have that.

[Chris]

Yeah, the Holloman stuff. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. Come on. Yeah. When Bray and Moultrie, the heads of the defense guy, said, well, we know nothing about Roswell, Malmstrom. What's that? Come on.

[Chris]

Yeah, exactly.

[Preston Dennett]

You're the heads of defense and you don't know the Bob.

[Chris]

You got the Bob Jacobs video, like all that stuff. Where's that? Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

I haven't gone through all the files, but I looked at the films, like, I knew it. I predicted this. We're going to see more fuzzy dots. And we did.

[Chris]

Yeah. Pictures and videos of amorphous objects behaving like. Behaving prosaically. The files, some of them are interesting. I went through them, but they're mainly just sort of. Some of them are interesting, I gotta say, because, like, they expound upon. They expand a lot of the cases that are out there already. The Lonnie Zamora stuff, so there's like, his whole thing, but then there's like, you know, the guy who he radioed into and like. So it adds a little bit more to some of these cases even. There are, I think, four other people around the same time that Kenneth Arnold had his sighting, that recorded discs. This is prior to Roswell. Right. So it's all in and around that area. I think that was pretty cool. But again, like you said, I'm not holding my breath. They promise more, but that's what their MO is.

[Preston Dennett]

Gun camera footage. We know this. If you talk to Frank Fascino, his book, Shoot Them Down.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

That kind of lays it out in black and white, you know. They've got plenty of footage that we're not seeing.

[Chris]

Yeah. I mean, we've seen footage from these aircraft of missiles that are clear as day that are, like, the best footage you'll ever see. It's 8K footage.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. I mean, some of these whistleblowers are talking about. They've seen these footage. Where's that?

[Chris]

Yeah. And they talk about how there's symbols on the craft that they can read. And I'm like, well, you got to have pretty Good cameras for that.

[Ram]

That.

[Preston Dennett]

And sure enough, we're not seeing that.

[Chris]

Yeah. Either it doesn't exist, they're making it up, or they have it and they're not sharing it.

[Ram]

Right.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. Well, here's the way I look at it. You know, we think of the government as three, you know, separation of powers. We've got judicial, we got legislative, we have the executive branch. That's not the government. The real government is the intelligence agencies. The military industrial complex. I'll name names. I think it's the energy industry, the banking industry, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry. These are the folks I think are behind it.

[Chris]

That is the government and the highest

[Preston Dennett]

levels of the military. That's who's running the 1 percenters.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

There is a cabal. There's no doubt in my mind. So those are the ones I think who are behind the COVID up ultimately.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

It's very hard to pin down, you know, because you can't use the Freedom of Information act on these folks now.

[Chris]

No. And there's a rotating door of this sort of fraternity of these people where they're in and out of these positions into another one. They go from one government contractor, they go from Northrop Grumman to SAIC to like blah blah, blah, blah, blah. In these. They're just constantly rotating doors at the top. And very few, very few of these people.

[Preston Dennett]

President. You know, I think there's some people in the loop who are within government.

[Chris]

Oh yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Who are bad actors.

[Chris]

I think you have to be.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

If you're controlling this.

[Preston Dennett]

But I don't know, it's, it's. That's not my specialty really. I'm more into the whole contactee thing.

[Chris]

I am as well.

[Preston Dennett]

But I can tell you for sure that healing is part of it. And here's what's also really interesting because the UFO phenomenon was. It's historical. We know this. It goes way back to, you know, ancient India, I mean, stone carvings. It goes back to when we recorded history. And you can see this all the way through the Middle ages and upward. The Romans called them flying shields. So forth. We know it goes way back. But 1947, something changed. And this coincides of course exactly with the atomic age when this huge super wave sweeps across the US and people start getting pulled on board. And we can pretty much predict what's going to happen when someone's taken on board. They're going to be physically examined. And if you don't freak out, if you can just remain calm, they will talk to you. And almost always Thomas Bullard outlined this. He was the first guy to really study 300 some cases. And this is what happens. And he's absolutely right. They will give you a tour of the craft every time. And it's the coolest thing. I've had it. I've talked to a lot of people. They will take you down to what we would call the engine room. The UFOs don't have much in them, but they will show you this, you know, how they fly or what powers their craft, which is almost always something to do with electromagnetics, free energy, anti gravity, harnessing the magnetic field lines of our planet. People give different variations of this, I think, depending on their own understanding and what they could grasp. But that's absolutely probably one of the first things that happened. Then they'll take you to what I would call the observation deck, the side of the craft, and they'll open it up and most people will see the Earth below, or no way. The first would be a star field. They'll show you the stars, then they'll show you the Earth, then they'll show you the moon. We've got a number of cases of people shown Saturn, which is so cool. It's a very recognizable planet, but they will take you even to other planets. So that's pretty consistent. I would say. That's the best word.

[Chris]

Yeah. But then they show you something else a lot of times.

[Preston Dennett]

I mean, there's. There's all kinds of things that can happen.

[Chris]

They. I mean, you know, from. From what I've gathered, too, is like, almost without fail, you'll be shown or told something like, terrible. Like, a lot of times there'll be images of, like, yeah, very bad things happening to the planet.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, that's the next thing. The conference is what Thomas Bullard called it. And they will start often with your own personal life, like, oh, you're going to meet this person. You need to move from this area. You're in a good place. You need, you know, to do this, do that, or this is going to happen to you personally. And then they will start talking about the world in general. And, yeah, the messages are incredibly consistent. Four main areas. And I don't care if you're talking about grays, mantids, little blue beings, tall whites, strange humanoids of all kinds, because there's an endless variety of what I would call ethnicities. I'm not sure they're different species personally, because the ETS will say it over and over again. That's one of the messages. We are you. Like I said, you are us. But they will the first thing, nukes. They don't like them. They say that we are damaging areas that we're not even aware of. We're on the pathway to self destruction. This is a bad idea. They know where all of the bases are, all the missiles. They will almost always mention the dangers of nuclear proliferation in any capacity, nuclear material and beyond that it would be war and aggression. They're very much concerned about how we treat ourselves and each other. Pollution and the destruction of the environment. Those are the three main areas right there. Greed and corruption. That does come up also. But basically, and this has been encouraging to me because people are like, oh, they're evil, they're evil. You know, they're trying to take over our planet. I'm like, I don't know. This seems to me that they're much more concerned about how we're treating our planet, ourselves, each other. Because that message is very consistent. And if you're a full on contactee, almost certainly they're going to sit you in the pilot seat at some point and like, would you like to try it or let's go for a ride. They seem to be very interested in elevating people's. I'll use that word, elevating, enhancing, encouraging people's psychic abilities. Because it's a rare contactee that isn't having mediumship precognition, astral projection, remote viewing, healing, the whole spectrum. And here's something really interesting that kind of shocked me because I'm looking at these healing cases. I'm like, all these people are being healed. Come on, I could use a healing. Millions of people out there are dying. Why aren't they being healed? Why don't they just hand over the technology? Of course that would be a huge mistake. We weaponize everything and everyone got healed. Well, we already have a problem with population control, but okay, who's being healed? Who's being healed and why? Who's being contacted and why? Well, we know it's generational, that's absolutely established. And there's a random aspect too. If you're driving down the highway late at night, opportunistic almost ETs. There's so many people who've had that and it's a one off for them, which is so rare because most people, if you're being taken on board, you probably had experiences as a child. But I was interviewing this lady from Norway, she heard about my healing research and she's like, I gotta tell you what happened to me. It's the craziest Thing I was in my bedroom and Gray's came through the wall. I could see this blue light outside. She said it was so scary. They flipped me over like a rag doll. She was screaming at them, like, what are you doing here? Didn't answer. Maybe she was in a lot of fear because I think they will talk to you. But if you're in fear, it's, you know, hard to communicate.

[Chris]

You're not hearing it.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, but she says that they put this thing on my back. And she described it, you know, what, like a lint remover. Looks like a little handle with a cylinder. I've heard people describe this, and that's what she described. She says they put it on my back and I felt this pulse of energy. And they filed out through the wall. She ran to the window and the blue light winked out. So a short experience. Three, five minutes, and I'm like, okay. And she's like, they healed my back. I'm like, oh, I've got 20 cases of back healings, right? Stomach aches, cut fingers, colds, flus, everything from cancer to liver disease, kidney disease,

[Chris]

arthritis, you name it.

[Preston Dennett]

Diabetes, tuberculosis. Pretty much this long list that's growing backs. I mean, they're going to come from light years or wherever to heal someone's back. Okay. I mean, they are. So whatever. But she describes this. I'm like, okay, let's go through the list. No, because there's 20 questions I ask people. Well, more. But, you know, main things to see if you're a contactee. Childhood experiences. Nope. Do you have, you know, light sensitivity? Have you seen orbs, UFOs, missing time? No, no, no. She had none of this. I'm like, okay, this is odd. She's not showing the markers of a contactee. And so I'm like, okay. I started asking, you know, the hard questions as I got better at this. You know, do you do drugs? What's your political affiliation? Just random questions, looking for patterns, because that's my specialty. I love finding patterns. And finally she's like, well, you know, I asked her, what do you do for a living? And she's like, I was a graphics artist. I'm like, oh, that's kind of interesting. I've interviewed quite a few artists. But she says, actually, you know, I'm retired and I don't want you to use my name. Because I'm pretty well known in my community. I worked as human for human and animal rights activism. That instantly rang about because I had just interviewed Reverend Michael Carter. Don't know if you're familiar with him. He's pretty well known in this field. He's written some books, had experiences. He was healed of a blood clot in his leg, a dangerous condition. He was awarded by President Clinton, I think, for his work against racism. I thought, oh, my God, there's John Hunter Gray, social worker. He had a major healing event. I started clicking, click, click, click. Jacques Fillet's case, that was a medical doctor. Ray Hernandez had a case involving a doctor, nurses. I'm like, oh, my God. Okay. People who are doing good work for humanity in some capacity. These are the ones being healed.

[Chris]

They're healing the healers.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, Well, I mean, let's see. I found doctors, nurses, writers, teachers, artists, artists, Musicians. They love musicians.

[Chris]

They love musicians.

[Preston Dennett]

It's crazy. But animal rights activists, environmentalists. I interviewed this couple who was in Sedona. They said, no, we weren't abducted. We were invited on board. They were human looking. There was nothing in the craft. You know, all the stories you hear. And she asked. He was healed of a carpal tunnel syndrome and a bad knee. He was a postal worker and did too much walking. And I'm like, okay. She's a herbalist, herbal healer. And he is a social worker. They live on Hawaii, and he helps out. And she asked them, like, why don't you just come down and fix everything? I'm like, we can't do that. You have to solve your own problems. Heard that in a million times.

[Chris]

Same.

[Ram]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And they said, well, why did you contact us? And they said, well, we're helping those who help others. We can only intervene to a limited degree. And like one lady, she had a car accident. The ETs told her, well, you basically died in this accident. We're healing you. We can't heal everything because some of these are karmic. You chose this as a lesson. Yeah. So that might be why some people are being healed and others aren't.

[Chris]

Right?

[Preston Dennett]

I don't know.

[Chris]

Yeah, Maybe a bigger plan, but there's

[Preston Dennett]

a lot going on here. You know how many rabbit holes there are in this film?

[Chris]

It is astounding, but nonetheless, I think each one of them deserves all the attention. And that's, you know, part of the fascinating thing about this stuff. It does seem like a giant untapped well of information. And it's exciting, but it's also kind of disappointing, you know, because as researchers, we're like, no, there's a sea of information here. There's a. I can't go through everything.

[Preston Dennett]

It's impossible.

[Chris]

No. And just the magazines we were talking about yesterday, and those magazines have gold in them. Like there's. There's cases in there that were written down once and never, you know, to be spoken about again. And you would find some of the, you know, some of the answers you're looking for in these cases. And just to dig them up and to find them, it's so time consuming. We were talking about David Marler and, you know, his, you know, UFO sort of archive. There's so much there, so much to look through. Not enough boots on the ground, not enough people doing it.

[Preston Dennett]

People have no idea. The general public has no idea how common this is.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

How much evidence there is.

[Chris]

It's so common.

[Preston Dennett]

It's funny. I heard a quote from Jalen Hynek. One in 40 people have been taken on board. Very. I'm like, you're. No, that's. You're crazy.

[Ram]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And I thought. I started surveying all the major researchers and, you know, but was it Bud Hopkins who called it an invisible epidemic? And Jacques Valle's like, well, you know, there's millions of cases, there's far more. So I wrote this article for the MUFON Journal called 1 in 40, which basically, you know, gave quotes from Whitley Strieber and all the major researchers. This is more common than we realize.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And it was one year later, in 1991, the Roper Poll came out. Major polling organization, they found 1 in 50. The editor of the MUFON Journal wrote me back. It's like, you predicted this. I'm like, well, no, I didn't, but it was timely. But when I heard that, I'm like, God, I must know somebody.

[Chris]

And mostly benevolent as well. Mostly like good experiences.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. I mean, that's a tricky. Very controversial. I'm not going to gaslight someone who says, oh, my experience was horrible. How dare you say that this was for my good?

[Chris]

Yeah, no, mostly good.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

By vast majority.

[Preston Dennett]

It's a bit of a mixed bag in the beginning because almost all these people will have some form of ptsd, nightmares, insomnia. It's difficult for people. It is very scary. But we're very fear based on this planet. And what I see is a very set pattern of evolution when people. If you embrace your contacts, you know, and you really want to find out. Almost always people kind of come full circle at some point. Like, well, I was healed. I did have a spiritual awakening. My psychic abilities are off the charts. You know, they gave me these warnings. I followed their guidance. And I've had a few people say, oh, this Was horrible. I mean, one guy's convinced they're demonic. I talked to him. He was up what we would call my lab. He admits it. He worked at a Pendleton. Shame on those folks. That keeps coming up. People went to Pendleton, come out with a not okay. And they hypnotized him. They gave him drugs. He had this weird reptilian experience. I still don't know if it's true or not, because he was a full on great contactee. Wonderful experiences. And those are the people who are targeted by these nefarious government folks into

[Chris]

believing that it's evil.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. So no, I don't think that they're here to hurt us, harm us. I'm not going to say this is all puppies and rainbows because people will come at me like, oh, you're an alien apologist. I'm like, no, hold on a second. I'm trying to be very objective. I'm reporting the facts. This is what people think. This is their experience. I'm not putting words into their mouth. You know, if you look at my books, they're largely quotes from the witnesses because I want them to tell their story. It's not my story, it's theirs.

[Chris]

So you think the my lab stuff, which is like, you know, the military's. For those of you wondering, it is the military pretending to abduct people, but with a sort of evil ulterior motive, basically psyoping people into thinking they're being abducted by evil aliens. That's like the whole my labs thing, right?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, I thought it was pretty rare. I'm kind of starting to realize, like, this could be a bigger problem than I originally thought.

[Chris]

There are many cases of military involvement with some abductions. Yeah, like you look at abductions, they're like, oh, they took us to a field where we'd play and with these other kids. But there were guards around with guns. And you go, wait, what? Like with ets? Like that doesn't make any sense.

[Preston Dennett]

It's really hard to unpack some of this stuff because that's another question I'll start asking people. Do you have military in your family? You know, is anyone in. In intelligence? Is there a military base pattern there? A little bit, yeah. But if I don't know, a lot of people have military in their family. That's right. I have rel. My great grandfather, my grandfather and my great grandfather were colonels. No, from that point, we none. Well, my nephew, he's in the military, so.

[Chris]

Yeah. But intelligence seems to be one of those things, like whether you look at the story of Harold Malmgren, which feels like he was kind of guided into these synchronistic sort of moments of his life, really key moments where he then found himself at the right place at the right time. And then I think a lot of

[Preston Dennett]

people who are contactees are in these elders, and I think that's intentional. I'm part of the ETs to sort of perhaps do what they can from the inside. Yeah, it's interesting. That lady I told you about at work was like, oh, my daughter's having encounters with grays. So I talked to her sister. You know, I like to dive deep. You need character references. Her father's an intelligence. Will not say what he does. Never did find out. The wife doesn't know. Nobody knows. But he does. So I wonder about that.

[Chris]

You wonder if there is a dark side of this stuff that's unfortunately very human.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. I'm worried about the government folks more than the ETs. It's. Yeah, let's face it. The ETs have been around forever. Are there evil ETs out there? Probably. Look at us. You know, we're not that great. We're living beings on a planet. Are they visiting us? I don't know that. I believe that there are. Remember the Brazilian face peelers?

[Chris]

Yeah, the Brazilian face peelers, but also Calaras.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. I'm wondering if that's sort of a precursor to the false flag, some of this. Because, you know, we are flying this stuff around, from what I understand. But if you look at, like, major waves of sightings in France, 1954, huge wave of sightings, landings, humanoids. If you look into the timing of that. I started looking into the timing of UFO events. Dolly, she's like, you need to really start looking at the dates of some of these incidents and see what's going on in the world. So I started doing that. That's when we were allegedly discovering anti gravity. CERN was put into place right in that area at that time. This is, to me a huge message. The Topanga Canyon UFO wave. June 14, 1992-94. June 14, 1992. There was an environmental summit meeting in Europe. The. Remember the Farmington wave, St. Patrick's Day?

[Chris]

Oh, yeah, right by Aztec. Yeah, yeah. 2, 200. A fleet of like 200 saucers.

[Preston Dennett]

I looked that up that day. They announced that they had just discovered artificial radioactive element. California.

[Chris]

Whoa. Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

Very day. Are these connected? I don't know.

[Chris]

Well, I mean, could be. And I think it's interesting too, because I think was Howard Menzel was, like, right at the scene immediately, which for me is a big red flag when you're, like, sending that guy around to, like, say, oh, it's St. Patrick. Donald Menzel. Sorry, now Howard Menzel. Yeah. And they send him along and then they go, oh, yeah, everybody was drunk. It was St. Patrick's Day. And that was Mylar balloons that were exploding in the atmosphere for two days.

[Preston Dennett]

You know, a big one releasing smaller ones.

[Chris]

Yeah, exactly. A red one.

[Ram]

And.

[Chris]

Yeah. Very strange. Now, I spent. I spent some time with the Ramses out. And, yeah, they're amazing people. I love them so much.

[Preston Dennett]

They spend so much of their own money.

[Chris]

Half a million dollars and more. Half a million plus, just researching.

[Preston Dennett]

People think, oh, you're in this for the money. I got a few books out there. I'm not rich. You don't make a whole lot. Some do.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Whitley did pretty well with Communion, but he was. The timing of that was perfect.

[Chris]

Yeah, but when you look into researchers, like, first of all, the Ramseys make their money elsewhere. They got a root beer company. They got, like, all sorts of stuff.

[Preston Dennett]

They work full time. Are you kidding?

[Chris]

Yeah. And so. But the work that they did was so substantial. And they're coming out with a new book, I think their final book. But they keep adding to it because they're like, just more stuff that keeps coming out about this case.

[Preston Dennett]

Frank Scully wrote about it, and, God, they debunked him so bad.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And that was a good book.

[Preston Dennett]

It was.

[Chris]

Yeah. A lot of Easter eggs in that book.

[Preston Dennett]

And William Steinman put UFOs over Aztec and proved that. Yeah. Gebauer and.

[Chris]

And Newton, Silas Newton.

[Preston Dennett]

They were absolutely framed.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

He got it down. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah. And people. People are like, no, those guys were like snake oil salesmen. You're like, no, they weren't. They were very successful, actually. One of them was, like, a real estate tycoon, and the other one had, like, oil money. Like, they had a lot of money, these guys.

[Preston Dennett]

It was a very effective method to squash any research into crash retrievals.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Preston Dennett]

And thank God for Marcel finally coming forward and Stanton Friedman breaking that story, because that opened the door for. There's a lot more crash retrievals, I think, than even within the public, the UFO community. People realize, definitely, if you were to.

[Chris]

If you were to name, like, five crash retrievals that you think absolutely happened, without a doubt, what would they be?

[Preston Dennett]

Well, Roswell and another one connected to Roswell. Aztec. The Paradise Valley crash. I wrote a series of books about various states. You know, California, Arizona, they all have them.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Colorado, Kingman, New York, Kecksburg. There was one at Greeny Mountain in Colorado that Chris o' Brien looked into. Really raises a lot of questions. Somebody died over that one.

[Chris]

Oh, really?

[Preston Dennett]

Committed suicide. Yeah. I think it happens a lot more than people realize. There's some really interesting California cases. There was a case up in Salinas, I think, in 1947, where this tiny little saucer, and they called it the Air Force, and they scooped it up and we never hear from it again. So there's a lot of these little smaller ones, like you said. These magazines have these jewels in them. I subscribe to the UFO News Clipping Service. Thank you, Lucius Farish and Rod Dyke, because they really helped, I think, for posterity, to save these cases. And that's been very helpful in my research. But, yeah, this is a lot more common than people realize. Mufon and Newfork, they're receiving for years, you know, 10, 20 cases a day. Talk to any UFO researcher and they will tell you, most people don't report.

[Chris]

Yeah, that's right.

[Preston Dennett]

And I'll be very generous in saying it's 1 in 10, because it's closer to one amount in a hundred, honestly. So times that by a hundred, ten, twenty cases.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

A thousand cases a day.

[Chris]

Yeah. And you don't have to look further than just like your own entourage. Go out and talk to somebody. They'll all of a sudden admit to you something so insane and like, you go, wait, I've known you forever. My father, before he passed, he also, you know, he was a staunch, like, skeptic for all of this stuff, and he was military, but he's like, nah, you know, very sort of. I don't know, he had a kind of jarhead mentality. Was just like, army, you know, get up, train, which I understand, do the thing. Yeah, he's been to war. Exactly. He, you know, he's done all the wars and stuff. And. And then, you know, he sits me down one day and he goes, I was talking about John Mack to him because I always talk to him about this stuff. And he'd always kind of just go, yeah, I don't know. He doesn't like engaging with it, you know, kind of. And, you know the type. And. But I'm. I'm very pushy, especially with my dad. And I'm like, no, dad, listen, this happened. Here's proof, you know, And I was talking with John Mack and he goes. And he's very sympathetic that Day. And this was towards the end of his life. And he goes, maybe one day I'll tell you about what happened to me. What? Right? And I go, hold on, tell me now. And he goes. And you can see he was like a little shaken up by it. And he goes, okay. And he goes. When I was around nine, I was on a paper route in Montreal, downtown and delivering flyers to apartment buildings. And I remember it was like noon. It was beautiful day, summer day. And I opened the door to the apartment complex. I put the newspaper, the flyer into the. Into the post, you know, boxes, mailboxes. And he's like. When I went outside, it was pitch black. It was like 11pm at night. He was like 9. So he had no idea what the hell happened. He doesn't remember anything. So he goes home. He, you know, suffered a savage beating from his father because his dad was like, you know, where have you been? And he thought he was lying. Because my dad's like, I don't know, I can't tell you. And he tried to beat it out of him, you know, and my dad's like, I still don't know. And so he's like, that's. He's like, never looked at it since, you know. And my dad had severe ptsd, like from war. Like, very, very severe. So I know a lot of people, when they heard me say that story, they were like, ask him if he wants to be regressed. I'm like, not a good idea. I'm like, not that guy. He does not. He wants to be repressed from what

[Preston Dennett]

he's telling you, because this is generational, so there's a sign there.

[Chris]

Very interesting.

[Preston Dennett]

Man, oh man.

[Ram]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

The whole missing time aspect. Parents out there, if they're listening, listen to your kids.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Because how many people have I talked to, had an experience as young kids? That's when it starts. And their parents, like it was a dream, you know?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Maybe not, Maybe not. But another agenda these ETs are up to.

[Chris]

Well, yeah, I was going to circle back to the agenda because I feel like it's not just healing.

[Preston Dennett]

No.

[Chris]

What else we got going on?

[Preston Dennett]

100%. They are putting on a very carefully orchestrated, vigorous publicity campaign.

[Chris]

A what?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

What do you mean? Okay, I'm on board.

[Preston Dennett]

They this. They really, really want us to know that we are not alone. Simple. And you can see this because people, you know, the amount of sightings is off the charts. I started, I put out a challenge on my YouTube channel. Name any town, any place on earth. I don't Care how obscure it is. One guy tried to fool me. He's like, I'm going to stump you. Name this town. And the Arctic Circle. I can't even pronounce it. It's an Eskimo name. I found a case there. Wow. I've got a list of over a thousand locations from viewers. And I'm going down the list. I've worked about 200, not quite. Check, check, check. Every single one of them, people are trying to stump me. Like, this town has 200 people. There's a couple who have stumped me. But I'm not giving up yet because I'm pretty sure. But, yeah, I'm finding a case in every single one of these places. So what does that tell you either? I mean, first, the main takeaway is it's a lot more common. It's all over the world. But why are they doing this on purpose? I think so. Because what we see across the world is every five years or so, maybe three, maybe seven, there will be a major UFO wave. Huge. I mentioned the French wave of 1954. On the heels of that, I just found out Venezuela had incredible wave from, you know, October through January of 1954-5. I just did a whole outline of it, really intense. Humanoids, the whole deal. In November, the second week of November 1957, there was a rash of sightings and landings and car stallings in particular across the United States and the world. And here's this weird connection to world events. Sputnik. So thinking that 1965 was a huge wave, of course, the Phoenix Lights, Gulf Breeze, Wytheville, Virginia, Hudson Valley, Topanga Canyon. All across the world are these major waves. And it's often these little towns kind of near big city centers. But this, I think, is part of their publicity campaign.

[Chris]

So you think it's deliberate that they're being overtaken?

[Preston Dennett]

Well, Frank Salisbury wrote the Utah UFO display. He termed, you know, invented the term UFO display because generally speaking, let's face it, UFOs are evasive. You know, they're not flying around any old time. Can't go outside and, like, there's another one. So. But that he found all these cases where they were deliberately showing themselves. They're chasing cars down highways.

[Chris]

Yeah. Or doing, like, incredible maneuvers for nothing. Like, what are you doing doing this? Where are you going?

[Preston Dennett]

You know what really drove it home for me? I'm, you know, I do this full time now, but all my spare time was spent on researching, working full time. And I do it on weekends and at night, and I Heard about this case in Zimbabwe. I know you know what I'm talking about. The Ariel Elementary School case. Oh, that's cool. What a great. Still one of my favorite cases where the UFOs land next to the playground. ETs come out, talk to a few of the kids. Oh, great case. Now we know there was a teacher who actually saw it, too. She did not come forward initially, but I thought, God, that's interesting, because there's that case in Australia, The Westall Case, 1966. April, right. I thought, wasn't there one in Florida? I had to look it up. Crestview elementary, one month or one year to that day after Westall. And I'm like, okay, I'm onto something here. Broadhaven, Wales. I remember that one. Same thing landed behind the school. ETs come out. The kids saw. I love their drawings. Yeah, it's so cool. And I thought, okay, there was that other famous case in Michigan at the college, Hillsdale College. Now, here's that. This is when it cemented it for me because I was looking into that case and I really dug deep. That UFO landed. Not a lot of people know that. This didn't just hover there. It landed by the school. It was there for two hours. 87 students, faculty, police saw it. This was there a while. This is another display. Jim and Coral Lorenzen, love those folks. They're our pioneers. Apro.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Said, well, gosh, we've got a lot of schoolyard cases. We think this is preparation of some kind. Maybe they're going to openly contact humanity. Raymond Fowler, another hero. You know, the Andrea Sinifer Allagash abductions. Great, thorough, objective researcher. Love him. He's like, I have 15 cases. This is in April. You know, the 1966. He says, I have 15 cases so far this year. Eight are over skulls. So he noticed it. John Keel mentioned it, like, well, these folks knew it long. No one's talking about this.

[Chris]

The Veronis sighting as well in Russia, that was another one.

[Preston Dennett]

Right. And so that was two weeks before Westalt.

[Chris]

Right. Oh, wow.

[Preston Dennett]

They're saying, oh, it's going to happen again. It did, yeah. So I started looking at this. I'm like, okay, let's dive deep. Because I had my own schoolyard. A couple of them. You know, kid was on Catholic school in Hawthorne and UFOs came down. He was taken from the playground. And I'm like, okay, I looked through the books or many cases in the, you know, the hundred books. I had two. Well, let's face it, it's 300. But I started going through the UFO News Clipping Service, you know, Apro, MUFON, NICAP, Q FOS, all those UFO reporting centers. I hit gold. I cried when I started discovering all these cases because this slid under my radar for decades. I'd been a researcher for a pretty long time and I found over 100 cases. It's now closer to 2 or 300. And these, this is so interesting to me because these cases are daytime. They are coming down very low level. They're long lasting. They're putting on a display. Little craft will come out, they'll dart around. Get this, they are landing and. Or humanoids are being seen in full one third of the cases. Whoa. How. You know, landings are relatively rare compared to sightings.

[Chris]

Yeah. Daytime landings on top of that.

[Preston Dennett]

And half these cases do involve teachers. Half.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And some really interesting aspects. Half the cases are primary schools, elementary kids. You know, there's argument. Are kids good witnesses? Of course they are. Yeah.

[Chris]

I think they're great witnesses. I think they're better witnesses than most.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. What I love about them is they don't say, oh, it's an angel, it's this.

[Chris]

Exactly.

[Preston Dennett]

They're like, well, it's a shiny. No, it's silver.

[Chris]

Two people you can trust to get the truth is a drunk person or a child, you know, and you can

[Preston Dennett]

tell when kids are lying if you're their parent. Yeah, certainly. But I started, I found so many cases and they were such clear displays.

[Chris]

There's. I don't know if you knew this, but recently I think George St. Pierre shared a story on his Instagram. George St. Pierre, famous UFC fighter. But he's very much into this topic and he started starting his own podcast. He. He recently spoke to Paul Trim.

[Preston Dennett]

Ah, Emily Trim.

[Chris]

Emily Trim's older brother.

[Preston Dennett]

Right.

[Chris]

Who was there?

[Preston Dennett]

Oh, he was.

[Chris]

And he was much older than the other kids and he's got a story.

[Preston Dennett]

God bless Emily Trim. So sad that she left us, but she went forward.

[Chris]

She did. And I think Paul was always pretty reluctant, but I think he's kind of ready to talk about it and. Yeah, so there's, I think there's something coming out there that. That'll be pretty. Yeah. I don't want to go too far into anything in case, you know, I don't want to break the story or say anything. I haven't talked to him, so I would love to talk to him, but I know that George did and Luigi did. Luigi has got a close relationship. He had a close relationship with Emily, you know, for a Long time. And Liesel still does with Liesel as well.

[Ram]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Who is another witness. And she was one of the two girls, you know, Emily and Liesl were the ones that, you know, got right up, full on. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Remember the messages they got?

[Chris]

Yeah. Same again. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Stop chopping down the forest. There's a good way to use technology in a bad way. You could do better.

[Chris]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

What?

[Chris]

Emily got a big warning against technology, which is wild, because in the 90s, we're like, yep, in Zimbabwe. Like, what are you talking about? Computers? Like, what do you mean? We're playing solitaire on these things? No, it turns out they were right. Technology was a problem, and we're seeing it now.

[Preston Dennett]

There was another case from Ray FOWLER where the UFOs came down over some school in Massachusetts that was his hometown. And it was during a football game. This was at night. One of the rare, rare nighttime cases. But a bunch of people saw it. It came down so low over this one woman, she soiled herself.

[Chris]

Oh, my gosh.

[Preston Dennett]

Blue Book called it Venus, by the way, without doing any investigation, like, Venus is going to make someone that scared. But that UFO went straight to the nearby college three miles away and scared the pants off of everyone in the quad there. There's a really interesting timing aspect to these cases. It is exactly like an artist or a book, you know, an author or a musician doing a tour. They go from city to city to city to city.

[Chris]

It's a plan. Yep.

[Preston Dennett]

It's very. The timing of this is insane. If you started to look at it in the locations, I'm like, okay. I mean, this is clearly organized. And then. And this is kind of a segue. Right. But I started looking. I got this case at work, you know, because we had a high turnover in my office. Terrible place to work. I'm so glad I'm out of there. I was a bookkeeper, basically. I did a full charge, bookkeeping, accounting. And they would always bring the new employees to my desk. Oh, Preston's UFO researcher. If you've got a story, he wants to know.

[Chris]

Oh, wow. How generous of them, though.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, I got a lot of great cases from there.

[Chris]

I bet.

[Preston Dennett]

And Claudia Blasios had this amazing story where she was, you know, a young kid, and they were at the Paramount Drive in Theater in 1972. I think it was Southern California. A UFO shows up. I'm thinking, this is. This is unbelievable. I've never heard of anything like this. Comes right down next to the screen. Classic flying saucer, chrome making a whooshing noise. They first noticed it because suddenly everyone's dropping their drinks, their popcorn, they're running to their cars. Remember the old fashioned speakers?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

People were driving off and bing. They come right off.

[Chris]

Oh wow.

[Preston Dennett]

That's how scared they were, right? And she sees her parents, they're hypnotized. They're looking at this thing and she's like, oh my God, what's that? And they're like, they stayed there. You know, some people stayed, some people left. They completely forgot about it, didn't remember it at all until Claudia and her mother were listening to the radio in the kitchen. Some years later, some guy comes on and says, oh, I was at the Paramount Drive in and this UFO showed up and it was right next to thing and this movie was on. And Claudia turns to her mother. We were there. Do you remember that? Why haven't we talked about this? Her mother's like, oh my God, I don't know. So there's that weird something else going on here. I thought it was a one off, like wow, driving, theater case. How crazy is that? And then I'm doing UFO, you know, research for UFOs over Colorado, this book I'm putting together And I found one case of UFOs over drive in theater, mile high theater. Dr. Zhivago is on and this UFO shows up. And I'm going through all the databases and found another. I found three in a row. I'm like, well that's kind of odd. I wonder if there's more of these. So of course I scoured the books, found one in Somewhere in the Skies by. Oh God, what is his name. Such a good researcher. He's going to kill me. At any rate, there was one there and I thought, okay. I was going through the databases, I hit gold with the UFO news clipping service. There's other news clipping services, the magazines, the journals. I found 100 cases again. My goodness. And this is just like the schoolyard cases in that they're putting on a display.

[Chris]

Yeah, they're seeing a group of people. Not too big. It is a controlled size of group of people. Right. Because it's not a stadium.

[Preston Dennett]

No, it's a captive audience too. They're all kind of parked. Yeah, you can't get out if you're in the center.

[Chris]

That's a really interesting.

[Preston Dennett]

But these are obviously. But in almost every case they come right down over the screen or either side. Pete Davenport Newfark had an amazing case at a drive in theater.

[Chris]

Really?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. And I started looking into these same darn thing they're there for a long time. They're releasing smaller craft, they're darting around. People will flash their lights at flashes back. It's insane. I have to tell you this case because this one went, oh God, here we go. Cover up. Right, right. Because none of these cases were ever declared unexplained by Blue Book. But they knew. And I found the proof. The terrorist drive in 1952, Bakersfield, California, UFO shows up right over the screen. This one's cigar shaped, they're usually saucer shaped, but you know, you get all shaped eggs shaped spheres right over the screen. It flashes its lights, set the audience, it came, drop down, flash the lights, took off. That one was quick. In terms of the average sighting, there was two or three hundred people in the audience. And back then the press wouldn't ignore you if you were a citizen, but if you were in the military, they'll interview you. There was an officer in the movie audience and Sheriff Leroy Hatfield starts getting calls from people who'd seen this thing. He's the closest police station to this drive in. And after the fourth call, he's like, hang up. You know, I'm going to come down there. So not thinking that anyone's going to still be there, but there's 100 people still there and they're jibber jabbering about this. And he gets 20 testimonies. They're lining up, they're like, I want to talk about it. He's like, no, no, I got enough. I know what you saw. They're all describing the same thing.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Preston Dennett]

So he writes up this report and sends it to the nearest airbase, which just happens to be Edwards. I found the report. It's marked action in big red letters. And it was sent to three places. To the commanding general at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Whoa. To the head of intelligence at Washington D.C. to the commander of ENT Air Force Base in Colorado, where we track incoming and outgoing traffic. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this because I found another case right after that same darn thing. They knew from the beginning that this was happening.

[Chris]

What year was that?

[Preston Dennett]

52. And see, this drives me crazy.

[Chris]

Well, I mean, you know, we have proof that they knew. Like, I mean, even if you look at you, you're familiar with the, the what's his name? Wilbur Smith memo.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. You know, Magic Magnet.

[Chris]

Clear as day. Clear as day in writing. You know, this is the Minister of Transport. He's got, you know, he's pretty high up in the Canadian government. Just Got back from the United States and says, all right, number one, flying saucers are real. Get over it. Number two, oh, yeah, it's mental. The thing, the phenomenon has a mental, you know, component to it. And yeah. Number three, Vannevar Bush is, you know, ahead of this and he's working on, like we have in 1950, a clear outline that, oh, they're not only well aware of. Seems to be priority right now.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. And then he drowns in a lake under suspicious circumstances.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

It's a shame. You know, there's UFO researchers who've met suspicious ends and certainly a lot of people, whistleblowers. Dangerous thing. Leonard Stringfield certainly would talk about that.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Another hero in this field.

[Chris]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Preston Dennett]

I love those older researchers. James McDonald. We go sprinkle June Coral Inik.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

There's a. There's a. There's no shortage of cases from what I'm hearing. And not only are there no shortage of cases, something that I find more fascinating is that you've been able to really hone down on patterns, and those patterns then start giving way to a potential agenda. Is there anything else in the alien agenda that sticks out to you other than they're healing people that can heal and help the world? They are displaying because they want us to know. I guess the part of me that's a little conflicted is there is also what feels to be some type of horrible end for us.

[Preston Dennett]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Chris]

Whether it's coronal mass ejection, whether it's atomic warfare, whether it's something there's this doomer sort of looming energy that they're potentially helping us through or hoping that we realize or that we get to that point. Right. But if that's the case, why bother saving us? Why bother giving us a light show? Like, what's the point if that's going to happen anyways?

[Preston Dennett]

I think that they feel a sense of responsibility, a sense of altruism, perhaps. Why not? I think in some ways they look upon us as their children or friends, certainly contactees. A lot of them I've talked to feel like, oh, these are my friends, these are my family. And if you saw someone trip down, are you not going to go and help them up? Most people will do that. I do think we're. This is a very common message. Again, they will show people atomic explosions. One guy I talked to, great case, a Navy medic, Kevin Kammen. I love his case because, you know, I got to interview him face to face. I talked to him over and over. Again, he had this very extensive encounter where his. He's on a Navy ship, right? 600ft long. His bunk mate's like, oh, I'm a contactee. And Kevin's like, ah, sure, sure you are. He's like, no, no, I am. You know, they've taken me around my childhood. I've been on their craft. They took me to their planet. He's like, oh, that's true. I want to meet your little green friends. Direct quote. He's like, I'll arrange it, I'll see. And so he comes back a couple. They're still on the ship, right? Somewhere in the Mediterranean. Or let me think. Outside the Bermuda Triangle. Okay.

[Chris]

In the Atlantic.

[Preston Dennett]

In the Atlantic. This is like 78 thereabouts. Okay. I think, at any rate, he comes back a few days later and like, oh, they took me to your house. And Kevin's like, what are you talking about? It's like, oh, yeah, you had a shag rug. There's a milk shake stain on the back seat of this car. The colors of the curtains, all correct. Ten years before, not now. So he, like, almost a weird time travel aspect. They showed him his house in the past, but it was correct. So now he's thinking, what is this guy time travel? Is he CIA? What is going on? And his friend's like, well, they agreed to take you, so they'll be coming in a couple of days. He's like, okay, sure they will. A couple of days go by. He shows up. It's like, okay, they're on deck. It's your lunch hour. You know, it's high noon. Their cabin is right near the deck, right? He's a clerk. I know his name. I tried to look him up, I can't find him. It's an unusual name. At any rate, Kevin's like, all right. Not thinking anything, right? Goes up on deck and there's this massive craft. It says it was bigger than the ship it looked, and it's got flashing colors, and it's just the most beautiful thing he's ever seen. So he does what I always tell someone to do. If you see a ufo, get another witness. You know, if you can get two witnesses, that's credibility to your case. If you can get 10. This is a front page news headline, you know. So he runs to the mess cook, starts shaking his shoulders, cannot get his attention. It's like he's not even there. And he's so he's freaking out when suddenly he's looking down at the ship and it's getting smaller and smaller. And he realizes he's inside this thing. He's like, oh, no, I'm awol. And he hears this male voice that says, no, they don't even know you're gone. So he's afraid to turn around. Now, I'll summarize this a little bit, because I can talk.

[Chris]

No, please don't. Please get into as much details you want. I'm riveted.

[Preston Dennett]

All right, so he's afraid to turn around.

[Ram]

Right.

[Preston Dennett]

He's seen metal walls. There's this console, very primitive, you know, a couple of lights on it. That's. It does almost look like a Star Trek set.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

There's just nothing in there.

[Chris]

Like Herbert Shermer type deal. And. Yeah, well, not.

[Preston Dennett]

Not even that much detail. He had a lot of. This is how people usually describe it. It's kind of what I look for. Empty. Right. Nothing in there. Because when they need something, it'll come out of the floor or whatever. Sure. And he said it was awfully high. It was like up to my neck. It's like, well, that's a little odd. And so he starts having this conversation with these folks. He's still afraid to turn around. Right. And two male voices talking to him in perfect, concise English, which, you know, they often do. They'll speak in your own language, usually. And he starts asking all these questions, like, where are you from? And he gave me. He said that a holographic star chart appeared and he could see the solar system and it shrank down and it just got bigger and bigger. And way off in the distance, this is blinking red light. And he said, that's our planet and it's called. And I'm like, well, what is it called? And he gave me this look. I can't pronounce it. It was a bunch of consonants. I'm like, I'll just try. And he went, couldn't do it. I'm like, all right, fine. I asked him how big was this room? And he gave me this look, like he's. How am I going to explain this to this guy? He's not going to believe me. And honestly, it changed size. The room changed size. I'm like, ding, ding, ding, ding. Here's a detail that I'm giving away this away. I shouldn't, but. Because it's kind of one of the things I look for, because they can do that. And so he's asking, well, you know, what do you eat? Are you going to eat me? No, you watch too many horror movies. We eat fish, we eat vegetables, We Eat the same things you do. He said, did Roswell happen? Because he knows a little bit about UFOs. He wrote a paper as a young kid, and they're like, oh, yeah, Roswell happened. And they said, since you started exploding nuclear bombs, this started a countdown clock and all these events will happen and you cannot stop them. And they showed him a window, and he said it looked real. He said, it may as well have been looking out at actual reality and showed him hurricanes, tornadoes, landslides, earthquakes, just a list of disasters. And they said, all of this will happen. You can't stop it. And this is because you've been messing around with nuclear power. And when you started, you really caught the attention of everyone out here, which makes sense because that's when the modern age of UFOs began. He asked them about politics. They're like, no, we don't discuss politics. We're not going to go there.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Which I thought was interesting. Smart. And so he's having this long conversation, finds like, well, what do you look like? I said, we're not little and we're not green, and sometimes our appearance will scare people. And he's like, well, what do you look like? They turn around. And he turns around. He said it was the scariest thing because these were mantids.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And he's like, they were sitting on these white, kind of thrown like chair stone on a deus. I've interviewed this guy over and over again. I finally got him on the radio, so there's a recording out there. Because he was very.

[Chris]

This was the skeptic initially, right? No, he was.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. I mean, he. He knew UFOs were real.

[Chris]

Yeah. But the other guy who told him, oh, you're going to have. He was like, you know, brush it off. Poppycock. There's no way.

[Preston Dennett]

Exactly. So now he's. He, you know, he's. He's a military guy. He used. Is it okay to swear?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

He said, I nearly shit my pants is what he said.

[Chris]

Oh, my God.

[Preston Dennett]

And so, you know. Oh, yeah. A few more events happened. I did kind of gloss over some. They took him to his hometown in Kankakee, Illinois, and showed him his mother working as a school teacher, which she did. It was daytime there, so this. The time wasn't quite aligning. She's writing on this. She was at a religious school and writing on the chalkboard phrases from the Bible and stuff. And then they showed him. His father, who worked at a bank, looked through several rooms into the center of where he was having an executive meeting. And tells him, your parents were good people. They did a good job with you. And he's like, what? You know me. You know my parents. So this is really like, oh, my God. This is very. They showed him as a little kid. Then they showed him what looked to him like a bombing range. He's thinking, where is this? This is Arizona. What's going on? But it was gray. And then they come over the horizon and there's the Earth off in the distance. And that's when he said, I nearly shit my hands. Because he realized that they're over the moon right now. Well, told you. They do this. They will show people the moon. So at any rate, he turns around. This is towards the end of his experience. And they're praying mantis. And one gets up off the dais and takes three steps and is right next to him. And he says, they. Preston. They were 15ft tall. Now I'm trying to talk him down because, you know, people can exaggerate.

[Chris]

It's very tall.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. He's six foot tall. Two or. He passed, unfortunately. But he's like, look at me, you know, you see how tall I am? I'm like, yeah. He says, they were more than twice my height. You know, it was like standing next to a basketball hoop and backboard. This thing's looking down at me. And he was trembling, you know, his was a very benevolent experience. They didn't even examine it.

[Chris]

Just scary.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

For obvious reasons.

[Preston Dennett]

And they said, would you like to go to our planet? He said, no. Okay. I'm still mad at him. And he said. He said they reached out and grabbed his shoulder. He got a really good look at their hands, which weren't, you know, normal. They were claw like and claw like. Yeah.

[Chris]

Were they, like.

[Preston Dennett]

Not so much. Like, I've heard from other people like

[Chris]

that, because you hear that a lot.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. But they had very long arms. He said, and one sort of section here and one section here. Put their hand on his shoulder. I'm like, why didn't you say yes? He's like, listen, I felt like a bug next to them.

[Chris]

Right.

[Preston Dennett]

I thought I was going to end up in some alien zoo.

[Chris]

Yeah. Or Stu.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. And I'm like, okay. You know. He's like, you know, this was scary. You got to understand that. Yeah, I guess so. You never know how you're going to react.

[Chris]

No, I mean, you'd like to think that you'd keep your marbles about you and your wits about you, but the truth is that you're probably going to have a Visceral, terrifying reaction to whatever it is you're saying.

[Preston Dennett]

I never did. You didn't.

[Chris]

But you also had decades of preparation.

[Preston Dennett]

Not everybody has that knowledge overcomes fear every time. That's why I do this research. People deserve to know.

[Chris]

I'm going to share with you something, though. I want to share with you something that I'm not going to.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, let me just end this.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

It's one more sentence. Sure.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Preston Dennett]

He wakes up, he's on his cot, he's sweating, he's hyperventilating. His friend whips open the curtains like, so, how did you like your ride? Grinning from ear to ear. He was furious. He ended the friendship with this guy and forgot a lot of this. He forgot a lot of the experience until he's watching a praying mantis show on TV and it comes flooding back. And he said all these disasters, you know, a lot of them did occur, including a motorcycle accident that they showed him. And he thought he actually died in his accident, but no, he didn't. He got a bad concussion. They showed him this and he remembered it right as it happened. But yeah, he's a good case. He's a twin. His twin brother had encounters. There's a twin aspect. Okay, sorry. I hope I didn't.

[Chris]

No, yeah, no, this is super. I'm specifically fascinated by the mantids cases. I mean, the human looking ones as well, all of them really. But the mantis ones seem so interesting. So interesting because they have this air of this sort of royalty about them for some reason. Like there seems to be.

[Preston Dennett]

People wear purple cloaks sometimes.

[Chris]

Yeah, cloaks, Capes, like they are. They're always in the back. They're never at the forefront. Like there's seems to be like, okay, we'll have the small grays, the humanoids, the tall grays. But then way back here behind the curtain, you got like these overseers. What seems like. And I'm not sure what that is, whether they're just like an older species, a more ancient and wise species, or

[Preston Dennett]

like, talk to Dolly about this.

[Chris]

She says, yes, it's the gestalt that I have from. You know, here I follow an account. I think I only follow one account on TikTok, and it's this one. It's Mantid encounters.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And it's just that. Right. It's just these encounters.

[Preston Dennett]

And I've had it. Yeah, they presented a couple of my cases.

[Chris]

Really? Yeah. I think it's so interesting. The one thing that is kind of elusive with this is first of all a Lot of these cases with the mantis happen psychedelically, right. And so it obviously puts like a negative filter on. Oh, did that really happen? You know, are these.

[Preston Dennett]

I'm not a fan of it.

[Chris]

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But you hear a lot of that, right? These bug like creatures. There's a case in Montreal and it's a case eventually that we'll dive into on this channel as I'm working with the witness and trying to. So this witness had an encounter and called the police the middle of the night because her dog, you know, woke her up. Squealing like, just giant dog, big animal reaction. Doberman. Yeah, just like this weird sound. She's like, what the heck was that? Goes out, dog's frozen. Like, she starts taking pictures of the dog. She's like, this is weird, my dog, you know, just like this in the kitchen, 1:30 in the morning. And her door was slightly ajar due to them. They're like replacing the lock or something in their apartment. And so there's the apartment complex hallway outside of that. And. And she. She kind of sees like a figure moving. And she goes, what is that? You know, she's kind of intrigued. And as she moves close to the door, she asks it, hey, you want to come forward? And she starts snapping pictures. Ends up seeing this thing, maybe this tall, very strange encounter.

[Preston Dennett]

The manted.

[Chris]

It wasn't exactly a manted. So it's like, I'll show you the photo and I don't want to put it up. And the reason is I do not have permission, so I won't put it up. But eventually, hopefully you'll see this. I'm working with the witness now, and who knows, you know, maybe this whole section gets cut. But she is. She's trying to like talk to it in different languages, in Romanian, in English and French, and she's like trying to communicate. Are you good? Are you bad? If you're good, please come forward. If you're not a demon. Like, she's religious at the time. And. And it comes. And it starts like moving its mouth like this. And it's. It's got a big head, big eyes. It has two things hanging here, like meat. She said, yeah, and arms like this, with a separate set of arms. Oh, and some type of carapace or some type of something on the back. And it was like, I've not heard that. Light skinned with like dots, like, very strange. And she takes a bunch of pictures and then she describes slipping into a dream. She's like, I slipped into a dream. After This. I woke up, it's now four in the morning. I've lost several hours. She's not into UFOs, by the way, at all. Like, she's not. She didn't want to be anything. You know what I mean?

[Preston Dennett]

It's gotta be so shocking.

[Chris]

Well, so she was afraid, but then she was also like. She's like, I was excited, like a kid in a candy store at one point. And she's like, I didn't feel like my apartment, even though it was my apartment. She's like, I don't know why. It's just maybe I was in their ship or something. I don't know.

[Preston Dennett]

That's a psychological response, I think.

[Chris]

Yeah. Maybe dissociation. And anyway, she wakes up, the dog's in bed, the thing's no longer there, and she runs and wakes her husband up. And they call the police, and the police. And she's like, I wouldn't have called the police if I didn't have the photos. She's like, you think I was crazy? You know, she's. And so she didn't want to talk about it for a decade because she's. She's like, oh, there's a demon.

[Preston Dennett]

That's still a popular theory that this is demonic. People will say, oh, you know, well, how come they go away if you invoke the name of Jesus? I'm like, well, if you came to me and you started saying, in the name of Jesus, go away. You know what? I will give you your. I'll respect that.

[Chris]

That's a good point.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Well, by the way, we're at two hours already. We're just gonna keep going. But whenever you feel like, hey, I'm spent, let me know. I could talk.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, that's not gonna happen.

[Chris]

Okay, well, let's go.

[Preston Dennett]

I'll try to be good. Yeah. Whistleblowers.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

There's a few people I've talked to. I'm like, gosh, we're not hearing the vast majority of stuff that's going on in government circles.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

There was this guy interviewed, Ray Sachs, and he's getting elderly. A lot of the whistleblowers I've talked to are wanting to do their part for disclosure because they're getting old. And I can tell you, most major researchers have these kinds of accounts. And it's always a blessing when someone comes forward to you with credentials, which you can basically fact check. You know what I mean? Because a lot of people have stories, and a story is a story.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

But this guy, Ray Sachs, I verified his Employment, you know, I did my due diligence to the extent that you can. A young man, 1971, he's on the USS Clamagore. This is a submarine and it had nuclear tipped torpedoes which this was not publicly known at the time. Going up the east coast of the United States, you know, some miles offshore at about 12 knots. They're on the surface. He's electricians, mate, I think on this Clamagore. Right. Young man. And he's up there with another petty officer and the commander. Commander, I know who it is. I looked Commander Boyne, you know, God bless you, but you covered this up so I'm calling you out on this. He's passed so and the second in command. So there's four men up there and this submarines booking along at 12 knots when a USO unidentified submersible object comes in at over 100 knots from the stern at an angle and starts pacing the Clamagore right off. You know, anything within a quarter mile is considered a near miss at sea.

[Chris]

Sure.

[Preston Dennett]

And this was right up, you know, meters away feet.

[Chris]

And we're live from the living room as Doug eyes up the mach, say spread. He's reaching for the buffalo wing.

[Ram]

Perfect.

[Preston Dennett]

Hang on, what's this?

[Chris]

Oh, he's gone for a can of Pepsi too. Incredible.

[Preston Dennett]

What a finish. Sensational combination.

[Chris]

Look at the delight on his face. There's no doubt about it. It just tastes better. Match days deserve Pepsi. Food deserves Pepsi. Grab a pack of Pepsi. Zero sugar for today's match. It's poetry in motion.

[Preston Dennett]

So totally silent. And the guy I interviewed, Ray Sachs, his job is to be in touch with the folks that's in the sonar office. And so the commander's like, what are they seeing? And he said they're not seeing anything. There's no evidence of this thing. It was a big white round light just under the water. They couldn't see any solid object, but something's there and it's not far away. And it was, you know, what did he say? Like 20, 30ft across, big. And they're all looking at it and he's jibber jabbering with the other. He's like, maybe it's Captain Nemo. Didn't think that was funny. The commander. And so they're talking and talking. The second in command's like, just shut up. You know, we're looking at this thing. And so they're all watching it. And one by one the higher ranking officers come up on deck because they want to see it too. This is just kind Of a. Like, I want to see it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And it paced this clamagor, he said, for about 10 or 15 minutes and everyone went below and there's still them four. And it darts off at like 80 knots. This is faster than our submarines can go, of course, even unofficially, because I've talked to some submariners and we definitely can go faster than most people think, but not that fast.

[Chris]

No, no. In 80 knots, that's equivalent to 80 to 100 miles an hour, essentially.

[Preston Dennett]

And I have to tell you, I've done a lot of research into USOs, and I've got cases where they're moving underwater as fast as people see it in the sky.

[Chris]

Yeah. Zipping, not disturbed by friction.

[Preston Dennett]

Right?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

I think they're probably partly interdimensional or something. Force field, I don't know. We can only speculate. And I don't like to speculate in this field because you're right off the deep end in seconds. But he saw this. And to me, this is another clear cut case of them showing their interest or warning people about nuclear capability. I'm like, did anything else strange happen? He's like, yeah, sure did. We were underwater and the engine went out. This can't happen. They've got backups. They're completely dead in the water. Scared the living daylights out of everyone. And then it all went back on. They didn't see anything, didn't hear anything. Just, what is that crazy? And he was on other ships and stuff and nothing happened until he got close to that nuclear stuff. I often think of that case because it's just another example. There's another guy, Dr. Gary Wagoner, was on the USS Long beach on the other side of Catalina Island. Nuclear powered.

[Chris]

Yeah, Very, very. A big hotspot as well.

[Preston Dennett]

And they had UFOs show up. Probably two other cases. I love these cases. One guy on his deathbed, my heart, oh my God, these people. I'm just like, what an honor. He says, I need to tell you this story. He says, I was a subcontractor at Edwards Air Force Base. I'm like, ding, ding, ding, ding. Edwards, if you research Edwards, it's a. Yeah, a rabbit hole.

[Chris]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Preston Dennett]

And I did. I wrote UFOs over California. And it's got everything that you could ever. You could learn everything you wanted to know about UFOs from just researching Edwards. That's how extensive the activity there is. And so I'm like, oh, my God. Okay, go on. And he proved his case to me because he had the lingo. I mean, he knew what he was talking about. I verified to the extent that I could his employment. It's like, yeah, they use us because we cut through all the red tape. They don't need any official things, the funding. They just hire people who are not part of the military. And they're like, we need you. He wouldn't tell me what he does, but he's walking across the tarmac there and hears this buzzing noise. Very low, whispery kind of whooshing noise, and turns and looks, and there's a hangar with a big open window, and there's a ufo. Perfect shiny mirror like, size of a little sports car hovering right above the ground. And he's like, oh, my God. And turns to his employer and says, look, what is that? His employer gets white as a sheet, jams his finger up against his lips, you know, shut up. Didn't even speak, wouldn't talk. And he kept asking, like, what is it? Was it. He's like, you shut up now. You weren't supposed to see that. If, you know, you start talking about this, we're both in trouble. So that's where it rested for a while. A couple of years go by, and his employer calls him again. It's emergency. We need you. You're the only one who can do this, Please. He's like, I'm not doing it. I'm not going to work for you unless you tell me what we saw. So they get into what he's called a pissing match. And finally he's like, okay, let's go to a bar, you know, someplace discreet, and had a couple of beers. And he says, if you ever tell anybody, this is trouble for me and you. So he waited decades. This was like late 1980s, I think he said, when this occurred. And his employer said, what you saw was not a ufo. This is reverse engineered from ET technology using the concept of counter rotating magnetic fields. We can create a magnetic field on the outside of the craft, which propels the craft in the desired direction. That's all I'm telling you. So, well, interesting, right?

[Chris]

That makes sense with Edwards Air Force Base, I'll tell you that. There's so much testing and stuff going on there, I don't even doubt that most of the sightings that happen out there are just all us.

[Preston Dennett]

Yep. And one more case, Mel Hanson, God bless him, older guy, he's like, well, you know, Malmstrom, he reached out to a number of researchers and I guess, yeah, not interested. I'm like, he reached out to me. I'm like, momstrom, Because I know Malmstrom. March 1967, they shut down the missiles, or they're all independent systems. You know Robert Salas, of course. His book faded. Giant, great guy. So glad he came forward. So Mel Henson saw this on Unsolved Mysteries, I think it was. He's like, oh, well, I guess I can talk about it. So he says he was there. Again, not military, a subcontractor. He maintains the missile bases. They were at one of the sites. Again, he had the lingo down, like this guy was for real. You never know for sure, do you? But you do your due diligence to try to fact check everything to the extent you can. And he sounded legit to me. And he was the supervisor. His team was underground doing maintenance when the stars started disappearing over the missile site. He's like, I don't know. I can't tell you how big this thing was or how high up, but there was something above the missile and it shut down. And she says it immediately went back online. He said there was this eerie silence right before. Really just everything ghostly quiet. The Oz effect kind of thing. And stars start disappearing. The missile shuts down. Now there's backups. We would hope so. There is. I think he said it was. First it went to diesel power because it's electric, and the diesel generator went on and all went back on site. That went out, and then it went back on the third, or the. I guess it would be the second backup, which was battery, and that went down. So boom, boom, boom. They knocked it out very much intentionally, and it moved off and it was still knocked down. They're an hour away from Malmstrom. Now. These are very widely separated areas. So he's radioing in. He's like, something happened. They're like, we're on our way. We'll be there in less than an hour. We'll pick you up. Took him and his team. His team didn't see anything. Just him and the security guard, who was, like, just losing his mind and didn't want. They told him, don't go out. Don't get out of this jeep. You are remain in the jeep. Because this thing was still there.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And he got out and looked at it, goes back to the base, and they gave him the riot act. You know, basically a full day of this didn't happen. This didn't happen. This didn't happen. So an amazing case. And another witness to this. There's a bunch of witnesses are still coming out for the Malmstrom case.

[Chris]

Yeah, I mean, most nuclear facilities have, you know, especially when you have any type of warhead or any type of like, weapon of mass destruction. I feel like there's a lot of activity around those places. Like, obviously, you know, thank God. I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking UFO and nukes. You know, how many cases are in that? It was like 116 or something, or individuals who've come out and talked about that stuff. We have next week here. I got Mario woods coming. Mario woods, who's. Are you familiar with his case?

[Preston Dennett]

Not off the hand, no.

[Chris]

Yeah, he was a senior staff sergeant, I believe, and he was working at one of these. One of these facilities housing nukes. And he was a security officer. And an orb the size of a Walmart, as he put it, comes right down over the silo and like, opens it up and like things are turning on now and everything's going live. Like this thing's going to launch. And he's thinking to himself, literally, the thought that he had that he told me is like, I thought I have to drive my truck into the hole. So to. To like trigger some fail safe to get this nuke to stop from launching.

[Preston Dennett]

Wow.

[Chris]

Like, that's how panicked he was, you know, and then, you know, it's a clear cut. Missing time.

[Preston Dennett]

Stop playing with newts.

[Chris]

Yep, missing time. And then also ET interaction through that. And this guy's like the most like, again, these people work around these facilities are. If you take so much as an aspirin, you have to write it down. Like, these are people with all their wits about them. Their mental faculty is constantly checked because you have to. You have to be a very sane, very normal, very psychologically balanced person to work anywhere around these facilities. And you are monitored like a hawk. And so, yeah, if you're looking for a credible witness, look no further than the people who work at these places because that is their entire life is being a credible witness.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, one guy wouldn't talk to me. I had to do it through a medium, you know, basically he would tell me. So it's a completely hearsay story, Right. But he worked at an underground base in Alaska. They gave him sodium pentothal. Hypnotistic.

[Chris]

No way.

[Preston Dennett]

Every single week. So they could know every single thing he did. He got out of it. They said they pulled him out of high school. He had fantastic scores on his sit.

[Chris]

He was Brad field of knowledge that

[Preston Dennett]

they were looking for. And he wouldn't tell me what his job was, but he said this was a base in Alaska that was seven stories down. They worked on Three things. Sensing devices that can see through solid objects. Biological warfare that what we know is nothing. And electromagnetic devices that are reverse engineered from ET craft that most of what people are seeing in that area is not et. I learned very early on some guy told me, like, you need to know that most of what people are seeing. Not most, he said like 20, 30%. But Michael Shradd is now telling me, no, it's closer to 70%. What people are seeing is, you know, us. So. Yeah.

[Chris]

Do you think that there is an imminent human invasion that'll be sort of hoaxed in our lifetime?

[Preston Dennett]

Oh, the false flag. Yeah, I sure hope not, but yeah.

[Chris]

Do you do think that that's a possible. How high is your conviction on a percentage scale that that's going to happen within our lifetime?

[Preston Dennett]

Oh, God. I could, I couldn't give you an exact number, but over 50. Yeah. I'm worried about it. I think we're seeing signs of it. I feel like our government is pushing

[Chris]

a fear threat narrative, militarization.

[Preston Dennett]

And the media certainly is very fear based, so they love a scary story. But I don't know, this is not my area of expertise. But ETs have basically said this, they've told people this. So I'm worried about it. You know, I've got so many darn ET stories from people like, a lady saw a 15 foot praying mantis while out jogging. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. Or the lady I worked with saw this little alien statue on my desk, screams like, what's that? I'm like, connie, what do you think it is? It's an alien. She's like, well, I saw one of these when my son was a newborn. There's that weird connection to, you know, children pregnant and a little bit. She said this thing tried to get open her window. It's a fixed window. It did not walk through the wall. It's looking at her little baby in a crib, trying to open the window. It woke her up. This kind of squeak, squeak sound. She sits up in bed, it looks at her, slams her down in bed. She can't move, she can't cry out. After three minutes, it walks off. She jumps out of bed, scoops up her baby and tells her husband something was out the window. That's a monster. We're getting out of here. And he's like, you just had a dream. She's like, I must know. A dream that was not a dream. She went to her mother's. She wouldn't come back for two weeks. She said, I'm not coming back unless we get guard dogs. And they did. And she's like, I'm. We have to move. I'm not staying here. I mean, that's how badly it affected her. She's like, I worked with this lady for quite a while, and she must. I don't, you know, preach like, I'm a UFO researcher, so I'm not really. Not at work, you know.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

But she saw that little statue that my boss had given me.

[Ram]

My little.

[Chris]

It just triggered, and it was a statue of a mantis.

[Preston Dennett]

Little gray.

[Chris]

Little gray.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. But, yeah, the lady we saw, mantis was a teacher, and she goes out jogging at 3am and she's in Fallon, Illinois. This is right around the time the o' Hara. O' Hara incident happened. So you can date that. Was it 2000?

[Chris]

2006.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. And Oak Fallon, Illinois, is a pretty country town. And she comes up to the T intersection, Kyle Avenue. I'll never forget it. She described it. I looked it up on Google. It was all correct, what she was saying. And she sees what she thought's a man on stilts walking down the middle of the street. This is at like 4:00am oh, my God.

[Chris]

The. The horrific image of a man on stilts, I think is more terrifying.

[Preston Dennett]

And so it walks right into the streetlight. I saw him. Streetlight. Whoa. And she said this thing came up more than half the street, so she knew how tall it was.

[Ram]

Whoa.

[Preston Dennett]

And she's like, it's 15ft if it's, you know, anything.

[Chris]

They seemed a mantis. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Had those little things. It's big triangular head, eyes the size of basketballs. Oh, that's what Kevin Kamen said. They told him they speak any language on Earth easily. They know that our governments do have ET Technology. They told them all kinds of stuff.

[Chris]

They're like, way more advanced.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

There was a tale of a. Another military guy who said that he heard. He overheard. He was at Area 51, and he overheard someone in their conversation saying, yeah, keep the humans out.

[Preston Dennett]

The.

[Chris]

The mantids don't like them. And so whatever that means. And he was like. He came out and said like, I don't know anything, but I heard that, you know.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, you know, that doesn't surprise me. I don't like a lot of humans myself.

[Chris]

I wouldn't like those humans either.

[Preston Dennett]

And I'm. I love people, but sure. And some of the folks on Earth are, so.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

It doesn't Messed up here.

[Chris]

That doesn't make the mantids evil. It makes whoever they're working With.

[Preston Dennett]

I told you before, I'm worried about how, you know, our. I hate to blame, you know, use the term governments because.

[Chris]

Sure.

[Preston Dennett]

But the way we're being treated is not okay.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

You know, our government should have our best interests in mind, and I don't see that sometimes they do not. Yeah, I'm concerned about it.

[Chris]

I think the individuals who make up the government are 99% really good people or believe that they're good people or, you know, some. But I think that they're very 1%, you know, poisons the. Well, you know, because when we use broad terms like the government. I know people who work for the clerical, you know, they're wonderful people in, like, you know, doing paperwork and just, you know, doing whatever. People work for the government. There's. There's transport. A lot of them.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

There's a whole. Like, the government does do things that are just normal, too, but lumping them all in together, like there is, like you said earlier on, there's a cabal at the very top that is unobjectively evil down.

[Preston Dennett]

Right. Yeah. I mean, there's no morals there.

[Chris]

No.

[Preston Dennett]

And so when ETs say, you know, don't like them, I think that they're very much aware of what we're doing. I think they're aware of every darn one of us on this planet. I really do. And, you know, I love finding patterns in strange cases. The high strangeness. Here's high strangeness for you.

[Chris]

Let's go.

[Preston Dennett]

ET phone calls, thinking this is, you

[Chris]

know, like, AET calling someone.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

I'm interviewing this guy from upstate New York. Doesn't want his name used. I think his first name was Kenneth. I'll go that far. Okay. Full on. Doesn't like this stuff. He had missing time. It's very traumatic for him. They ended up pulling him on board, showing him his hybrid child. Like, isn't this great? He's like, no. What? Horrified and, like, loving this child at the same time. So really, really hard for him. He's a nurse. At any rate, right before this happened, he's driving along and his phone starts ringing. His cell phone in a way that he's got a song set up for when it rings. You know, music, it's not doing that. It's going and it says no number. And he's, like, just ignoring it, and it keeps going. Finally, he answers it and here's clicks, click, click, click, click. That time is coming in this weird voice, not a normal voice. And he kept getting these weird phone calls and My mind starts thinking, my God. Bud Hopkins. His case with Debbie Jordan Cobble.

[Chris]

Yeah, right.

[Preston Dennett]

The Wednesday night phone calls. Wait, Ray Fowler. Betty Andreasen. She had this, too. These weird phone calls. She had lots of clicks and L's and T's. And. And I'm like, oh, my God. I started digging. Jack Sarfatti.

[Chris]

The famous call from the future or whatever that was. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

So I started. I found all these cases, which. Now this fits in because ETs are electromagnetic effects. Sure. I recently looked at a case where this guy saw a UFO on TV. The image came of ETs coming out. One week later, that happened to him. A lady in upstate New York saw Gray on et. On the television?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

It was coming through that I talked. I was at a convention once. This guy comes up to me. He's like, you're gonna think I'm crazy. I was in my house. The TV screen comes on and shows the interior of a ufo. Little Gray's walking around. So he runs up to get his parents. Wait. Can't get them to wake up. Running through the house. He's looking at the tv, losing his mind. Looks out the window. There's the UFO hovering overhead. Goes back to the TV and it fades away. She's like, have you ever heard of anything like that? I'm like, no, I sure haven't. Well, I have now. So. Yeah. They can affect electromagnetic instruments in ways that our VT contact can happen in a variety of ways.

[Chris]

What about the Ashtar Command? Not buying it.

[Preston Dennett]

No. I'm on one side of the fence.

[Chris]

Yeah, that's fine. I just mentioned it because it did fit into this.

[Preston Dennett]

I mean, there's a crazy pattern. They found a bunch of cases of UFOs hovering over prisons.

[Chris]

Oh, really?

[Preston Dennett]

Landing next to it. ET is coming out. One guy pulled from his jail cell, put became.

[Chris]

Oh, that must have been a good day for him.

[Preston Dennett]

It was for a while. I don't know why they didn't just take him out. Yeah, go, run.

[Chris]

Just on the other side of the wall.

[Preston Dennett]

Put him back in. He was in. I talked to him personally.

[Chris]

Wow.

[Preston Dennett]

He's. He spoke French. I. I speak French. Well, I can speak. I can't understand it.

[Chris]

Sure.

[Preston Dennett]

I took it for eight years, so if you speak real slowly. But he spoke in a way that I just couldn't get it. And the recording wouldn't come out. So mad. But he was in jail for smoking marijuana.

[Ram]

Oh.

[Chris]

Which now it's like, what a terrible offender. Yeah. Yeah. Lock him up for life.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. And they put him in his House or in some. Yeah, I think it was his house.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

I never got to record, you know, transcribe the interview, so I can't really use it.

[Chris]

Yeah, sure.

[Preston Dennett]

If you're not going to let me record you and. Yeah, you know, it's. I can't use it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Because I have to be very. I have to have proof that I at least talk to this person.

[Chris]

Of course, yeah, it's minimal journalism, but yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Colorado prison, they visited three, four times. I got cases of them landing the humanoids.

[Chris]

Tell me about some of those. I want to hear about. Maybe just like one or two because these ones fascinate me as well is the, the ones that look like us, that are among us, that you hear about, you know, that kind of just blend in. People don't seem to see them. And then somebody goes, oh, you look strange. And then they talk to them in their minds and go, you know, she can see us. Oh my God. Or have you, have you had some of those people call in or like,

[Preston Dennett]

or hit you up in terms of ETs walking on Earth among us?

[Chris]

Yeah. People who've had encounters with those.

[Preston Dennett]

I've certainly gotten human looking encounters. Human. But in terms of walking among us, I'm sure I have. I'm trying to think of one.

[Chris]

But like human looking ones, like you're speaking. Those were on board.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

Because I've had a few where people are like, no, I was, you know, at a grocery store and you know, they were wearing just the beautiful gar. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

So I do know about a whole bunch of them where peop. Like John Hunter Gray and his son, Richland Center, Wisconsin had a full on abduction. I don't like that term, sorry. Onboarding encounter. I, I stopped using it because I was offending people. I call them onboarding experiences and they felt it was friendly anyway, so. But prior to their onboard experience, they're at a gas station. They, you know, he remarked on this as being connected. There's this little guy, 4ft tall, wearing a fisherman's cap, covers everything. You know, gloves, it's a hot day, glasses, you can't see anything. Right. And he's, they could see his eyes through the glass and he had beady little eyes and they're, you know, context is almost always mentioned. The eyes, the eyes, the eyes, the eyes. So he's like, who is this? Why this guy? He's so weird and he's staring at us. This is crazy. So they go away from the gas station, this guy follows them. I think it was In a VW Bug all the way, turns off. That's when their car stalls. That's when the UFO lands and that's when they're taken on board.

[Chris]

Oh, my gosh.

[Preston Dennett]

And of course, Betty, or was it Debbie? Jordan Cobble met the ET on the bus. People have seen them in restaurants.

[Chris]

Ingo Swan has that one famous case.

[Preston Dennett]

Grocery store. Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah, there was Richard Dolan. Shared a few with me as well.

[Preston Dennett]

Timothy Good.

[Chris]

Yeah. And then I had one. I actually emailed this guy back just yesterday, but he told me about. Yeah, it was a hardware store. Two very tall, six foot nine, six foot ten women, beautiful twins, dressed identical, walking in lockstep in a hardware. The most insane thing. And nobody turned their heads.

[Preston Dennett]

Hans Holzer. He wrote a book about UFOs. He's got this. That's a pseudonym. Shane Kerr's student who is walking to school. This is Westmoreland High School in New York. It's funny, I can remember these details because the UFO stuff just sticks to me.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

But at any rate, this guy approaches her and he's weird looking. He's got this quite thin, blonde hair, pale, pale skin, large dark eyes, weird clothes. She couldn't describe him. She was too kind of like, who is this freak? Is how she put it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Starts asking all these weird questions like, where are you going? What are you going to do in there? You know, what's volleyball? You know, just off the wall questions. And she's like, he's a creep. He's a creep. And he said, well, come with me. Come see my white car in the field. She's like, I'm not going with you. And starts to walk away. Turns around, he's gone. There's nowhere to go. Her friends come running up to her, like, who was that weird guy? And she's like, I have no idea. This is right in front of the school. It's like three weeks later, she sees him in the liquor store and he's staring at her. Same guy. And she rushes out. Of course, shortly after that, taken on board, there he is. Ended up. It was a pretty traumatic encounter for her where I think they had intimate relations, but makes you wonder because I've looked into these cases.

[Ram]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

There was a guy I interviewed who saw this, what looked like a gray on a bus. And I've come to look for like three things. Their. Their behavior is unusual, their appearance is unusual and their clothes are unusual. And this thing was. And they'll talk to you telepathically.

[Chris]

That happens a lot. Yeah, that's what you hear most is just this clear sort of, oh my God, she can see me.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, he pulled his chapter I gave him. You know, whenever I write about someone, I send them their chapter. I'm like. And he fact check it. And I'm like, okay, we're gonna publish a book. He's like, I wanna pull out. I'm like, oh, really? Why? Whatever. You know, that's his prerogative, certainly.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

But I'm like, I was so disappointed. Cause I had worked so hard interviewing him and getting everything right. I mean, that's fine. I'm not gonna blame him. Cause it's a big deal.

[Chris]

Super strange too, for someone to go through life having to acknowledge that versus not having to. Very enticing to do the latter. I think for a lot of people, and I think rightfully so for some people. Some people are just, hey, I don't want to make my life about this. Like, I'm a person, I have a family, I have relationships, I have a job. I need to do these things. And so for me to derail all of that because of one happenstance that perhaps I shouldn't have even been a part of doesn't make sense. And I can't blame people for that.

[Preston Dennett]

I blame the government. Yeah. Again, in quotes.

[Chris]

For not allowing. Yeah, exactly. The ridicule.

[Preston Dennett]

Delegitimizing this whole subject.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah. And done so clinically.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. And effectively. I mean, I bought it. I thought I was a smart. No, I absolutely bought into it.

[Chris]

Yeah. Now it's this term of they're in our airspace with impunity. That term I'm kind of sick of hearing now.

[Preston Dennett]

Who's airspace? For one? They were here first.

[Chris]

Yeah. Our airspace. Our sovereign airspace.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. I don't think they present a danger to aviation either. No. They come around our crafts and it could be dangerous.

[Chris]

I'm like, yeah, we could have collisions. Please, let's have one. Let's acknowledge a collision then. You know, if they're flying around there with the amount of.

[Preston Dennett]

I looked into it. I found a few cases of people who hit UFOs with their car or ran over an ET. There's a few, but statistically speaking, it's insignificant. It's less than 1%.

[Chris]

Yeah. There's the case. There's a few Mexican pilots. There's.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, that one where they.

[Chris]

Up on top and on the sides. Yeah. And it damaged his landing gear.

[Preston Dennett]

I think that that plane was going to go down.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And they're like, it'll take you. I mean, I don't know.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, but I thought. I wondered about that.

[Chris]

Yeah. There's the other guy, too. Carlos. Forget his last name. But he was a young. It was his first solo flight that he was doing and he got commandeered by like some channeling entity. And then they recorded that call or whatever. But he's got a whole bunch of missing time there. Didn't know, like, his fuel tank was full by the time he landed. And like this. Yeah. Super mysterious.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. There's so much to unpack with this field. I'm really glad it's moving towards mainstream. I don't think we'll ever get disclosure. I think what we're seeing now is for one reason only. The secret government. That's what I'll call him.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Is losing control of the narrative now. There's an army of researchers out there. There's an army of experiencers. The evidence is mountainous. If they don't come forward and say this is real, they're ridiculous. They look not credible. Unbelievable. They're irrelevant. And frankly, I have zero sympathy. They dug their own grave. Here's the way I look at disclosure. To me is show us the Roswell craft. Show us the bodies. We know you got them. We're not seeing that. And until and unless they will admit to the capitol flyover of 1952. Yeah, 52. Until. Unless they'll admit to Malmstrom and Roswell and any of a dozen high profile cases that we know are real. I don't want to hear what you have to say. You are lying. I don't need lying liars to tell me what I already know is true. And there's a case from Virginia, Donald Shalcross. I love this case. UFO lands human looking. ETs come out and he's like, oh my God. Has this conversation with him and says, why don't you just disclose? They gave him a look like we already have. That's what they told him. We already have. And I think that that's true. They've done their part. This UFO's over Europe.

[Chris]

Oh, the ETs have.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Oh, yes.

[Preston Dennett]

This hometown series I put together proves that basically they visited everywhere on this planet. You can name any town. And I don't want to say any, but so far I'm batting 100%. They've been there. That's disclosure. You know, they've shown themselves pretty much everywhere on this planet. So come on, how much information do you need to know this is real? It's my feeling that anyone who objectively examines the evidence And I'll underline that objectively, and looks at it for a day, can only come away convinced. And for those debunkers and skeptics out there, I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but you haven't done your homework. You have not done your research. I mean, how they're like, why don't they show themselves to presidents and leaders of state and senators? They have, absolutely. I did a whole article in my Not From Here books, Take Me to youo Leader, because, yeah. They showed themselves to Senator Russell, Governor Gilligan of Ohio, the guy from Arizona, also the.

[Chris]

The president of Kalmykia, my buddy, Jesse Michaels. Yeah. Went out there and he's. He's a contactee, like a. Yeah. An onboarder, as you'd put it.

[Preston Dennett]

And a major chess champion, too, by the way.

[Chris]

Yeah. The head of fide, or at one point.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, yeah. But the Mexican president, the Brazilian president, a bunch of them.

[Chris]

As of today, the Japanese government is coming out as well. And no coincidence, Jesse's over there covering that story right now. But they're coming out and saying that they're going to start releasing things.

[Preston Dennett]

It's time. It's past time.

[Chris]

I think it's good that these other countries are taking a lead. I think that sets precedent, because if nothing else, it will entice the government that's been covering this stuff up to at least divulge something. Because if everybody else comes forward with really credible information, I mean, what other choice do you have? You have to be on top of this. Right.

[Preston Dennett]

Sooner or later, our whistleblower is going to break out with the actual hard proof.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

I think disclosure is inevitable for one simple reason. It's true. This is all true. You can hide the truth, you can distort it, you can lie about it, you can play around with it, but you can never destroy it. Truth is truth. Yeah. And there's just no way you can hide something forever.

[Chris]

Well put.

[Preston Dennett]

Certainly hope so.

[Chris]

We got questions from the audience. Preston, we got to get to. So I'm going to go turn that camera on. Give me one second.

[Preston Dennett]

Let's go.

[Chris]

Do we run the gamut?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Have we hit everything? Almost. We didn't. We did. Well, we did discuss ob. What haven't we discussed on your list? I'm just curious.

[Preston Dennett]

Bigfoot and UFOs over graveyards.

[Chris]

Oh, great.

[Preston Dennett]

Wonderful.

[Chris]

We'll bring that up. But before we do, you know, as a member, one of the perks, one of the many perks here is the potential to have one of your questions answered on air by our guests. And they always submit, as you probably know these audiences are.

[Preston Dennett]

They're sharp.

[Chris]

Oh, it's just such a great collective sea of knowledge that they ask better questions than I could ever ask. Ooh, okay, Tess has got. Tess is going right for the jugular

[Ram]

now.

[Chris]

I'm worried of the contact cases you've studied, which are most likely to be psyops. And to what end?

[Preston Dennett]

Oof. Well, let me think about this for a second. I would say that case of. He won't let me use his name. A Marine officer, joined the Marines at 17, had to get a parent's voucher, went to Pendleton, and they. I mean, they set him up. They had some guy come to his office, and there were papers on the desk that were all about UFOs that were fully confidential and. And just led him down the garden path to where he was taken and shown this UFO and ended up bringing out a reptilian officer who was like 7ft tall. And everyone, he says, they told him, don't break ranks. Whatever happens, don't break ranks. He was the only one who didn't break rank. And this thing came right up to him and stared him. I'm like, what did it look like? This poor man started weeping. And I'm like. I'm like, it's okay, you know, if you don't want to talk about this, that's fine. He's like, no, I really want to talk about it. He says, I can't tell you what he looked like because I couldn't look. I was too afraid. But it had reptilian eyes and skin and all. And diving into his case because he had a great experience as a child. He levitated. He was taken on board repeatedly. He had all this psychic ability going on. Amazing guy. He was very altruistic. He worked at a welding factory and got everyone there raises, you know, basically because they were gipping these people. He was Latino, and they were basically taking advantage of the Latino people who worked there. And after talking to him, we. He basically said, they experimented on me. They psyoped me. Why? I don't. I can't tell you for sure, other than to sort of paint this as a negative experience. They killed his dog. He said, that was it for me. I think they're demonic. He became very religious and had an encounter that. I don't even know what to think about because it's just so. I don't know.

[Chris]

It was my lab stuff.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, it was not okay. But here's an interesting thing which I didn't bring up, you know, because he worked as a welder. Right. He kept knocking that welding machine off, offline. This is a very, very expensive machine. They so said, we need you to go to the doctor. You're destroying our equipment. And they couldn't figure out anything wrong with him, except they did find an implant in his body. But I've talked to so many people who've had this problem. They're knocking out TVs.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

You know, one lady, she had her encounter with this little silver suited humanoid. This is Mount Rainier, Washington. Goes to work, knocks out her computer. It's like it. I come here, goes to the copier, knocks that out. And she's like, as soon as you're done, copier goes to the fax machine back when we had those, knocks that out. And she's like, I don't know what's going on. I finally figured it out. I think they're basically energizing or elevating our magnetic. Our bioelectric field, rather. Because people will knock out light bulbs.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

The guy I was talking to says, you wouldn't believe my light bulb budget. He was investigated by Thelma Moss. And they're like, he gave him the light bulbs, her. And they're like, well, it didn't explode, it imploded, whatever, you know, wild. But, yeah, people have poltergeist activity and they're like, that's you. It's not a demon. This is you doing telekinesis. Because when you're with the ETs, you're telepathically communicating. They're levitating. That's not technology necessarily. That's them. Because their technology is very psychically based. But I got case after case of people coming back from their experiences and they're levitating. Full on. Levitating happened to Whitley Strieber. Jacques Vallee's case of the guy who got healed. Levitated twice. Stephen Greer says, I levitated twice. Dolly Safran. I'm like, I don't suppose you've ever levitated. And she gave me like, oh, no, he's asking this when she was a kid.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And I got 20 cases of that. I ended up writing a whole book on levitation because this is absolutely something we can do.

[Chris]

And then, you know, Diana Pasulka, also pursuing the sort of religious lens through which levitation happened, because you have all these. I don't know. I don't know what to call them, but these. These holy. Sort of. Whether it's apparitions or whether it's whatever. But you had like St. Francis of Assisi, like the stigmata stuff. Were they also levitated?

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, there's weird bleed throughs a lot of this phenomena, but yeah, human levitation has been proven in a scientific laboratory setting repeatedly.

[Chris]

Really?

[Preston Dennett]

Oh, yeah. The experiments of Hereward Carrington using finger levitation. He put four people around a table or a chair rather, and you know, the breathing in and out and then what is it? Stiff as a board, light as a feather. And they lifted this guy up. He recorded a loss of weight of 47 pounds in the first attempt, 53 on the next, 48 on the third. Over and over. It's never been repeated. But there is the case of Carmine Mirabelli, Brazil's greatest medium. They had all the scientists surrounding them and he levitated. Actually went through the wall. Through a darn wall. Yeah. It's been proven a number of times. The experience with Eusapia Palladino.

[Chris]

I would love to witness one of these things myself. As a magician, obviously very skeptical of levitations when I hear about them because of the knowledge that I have. But I'm also very open to the idea of. Yes, please. Like, let's, let's.

[Preston Dennett]

I've seen, you know, Criss angel and some like, show us the sky, you know. No, they don't, because, you know, we've got wires.

[Chris]

No, there are. Yeah, but there are some. Like a friend of mine, Xavier Mortimer, he's a Vegas magician as well. He's known for levitating in the middle of a park. In the middle of a park.

[Preston Dennett]

Some of this stuff, I don't know

[Chris]

how they do it. Using a jump rope in the sky.

[Preston Dennett]

And do you know how it's.

[Chris]

I do, yeah, but it's a trick. Yeah, of course it's a trick. But you know, you can, you can, you can fool people like that.

[Preston Dennett]

I fool people at work with a simple technique. Yeah, they absolutely lost their minds at a certain angle. You can appear to levitate.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah, that's the Balducci levitation. That's where you lift one foot.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, it works really well.

[Chris]

Yeah, of course it does. Yeah. There's. But there's, you know, there's a large, large long list of. Levitation is one of the.

[Preston Dennett]

It's been photographed. You know, there are photographs and films.

[Chris]

But again, again, I remain dubious because of. And until I see it myself, I won't be 100% convinced.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, I had a family friend who swore up and down she levitated and that's what Got me into this, and then I found another one. Yeah, I got a lot of crazy looks.

[Chris]

I hear about it. Angela Ford told me she had levitated when she was a kid, too.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

I'm telling you, it's a thing.

[Chris]

Yeah. I'd love to see it. I want to see it. Or better yet, fly me to the moon.

[Preston Dennett]

Robert Monroe said he had two incidents of it. Yeah, he slipped on the stairs and floated down.

[Chris]

You know what? A lot of people have that memory of when they were a kid floating down the stairs. I have that memory.

[Preston Dennett]

There you go.

[Chris]

I have that memory of, like, not touching any of the stairs. But again, is this just, like, some psychological.

[Preston Dennett]

You know, the stairway thing is tripping me out because I have a dozen cases of this, really. There's called the floating stage. Age 5 to 10.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And the stairs figure in about most of these cases, actually.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Mostly down, but some going up.

[Chris]

Me, it's always down. Always going down. And like. Yeah, I remember like. Like large leaps and, like, just light it. Light as a feather getting down these stairs.

[Preston Dennett]

Well, the Native Americans had something they called Native Indian running, I think.

[Chris]

Oh.

[Preston Dennett]

Or that's kind of, I guess, the term we got. But, yeah, they knew this one guy who could do it, and they followed his footsteps, and they started getting wider and wider and wider and then disappeared. And they. Two days later, they met him in town, like. Oh, yeah, he's been here for three days.

[Chris]

Oh, wow. But I'd love to hear from the audience, too. If you've got any levitation stories, let us know.

[Preston Dennett]

All right. Yeah. The psyops. Gosh, that's probably the only real case that I can. Melinda Leslie. If we talk to her, she's had a lot of this kind of my lab stuff going on. She was on board, and she saw bull dressed Colonel there. Yeah, I interviewed her about that and put it in one of my books.

[Chris]

Jeremy Weeks, who was here as well, he had, like, an argument with an officer on board, and he knows what faction or what sort of compartment of department of military he was with. Like, you could see the badges and everything. He didn't want to tell me, but he's like. Yeah, he's like, I've. And there were. Apparently Gray's on board, and they were arguing. Why is he here? Why is he here? While he was there, he was confused at why he was there. And.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. Carla Turner, I think a lot of cases she was working on. Yeah. She also, like, Jacobs came away with, like, this is not great news. Yeah. But I think a Lot of her stuff was, you know, what we would call my lab stuff because she kept talking about seeing officers or her witnesses did, rather.

[Ram]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Okay, let's go on to something we want to talk about earlier. From Hex. Do you see any connection between UFO alien activity encrypted, such as Bigfoot or Yeti 100? Yeah, let's talk about it.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, you know, I'm doing a lot of UFO research and I started to hear about Bigfoot. I'm like, I'm not going there. That's a can of worms. What if it's real? I bet it is. I'm not ready for this. So I avoided it for the longest time. And then I get this guy from Canyon Country, California, living on the edge of the LA National Forest, 1978. He's a radiologist, you know, a smart guy. Had a ufo basically land in his or hover in his backyard and it took off. He says the next night Bigfoot showed up. Like the next night. He's like, yeah, I was in telepathic contact with it. I'd never heard of this. Telepathic contact with Bigfoot, that's apparently a thing in a number of cases. He said it was mad at his dogs, which were going crazy. Bigfoot and dogs don't get along for whatever reason. And he felt sure that there was a connection here. And he says, just so you know, after this, we had a poltergeist outbreak in our home. I'm like, okay, well, that's kind of what is going on here. And I started to get some of these Bigfoot UFO cases. I ended up becoming a Bigfoot researcher. You know, I had my own darn encounter with this lady who's having. She's a contactee, started having Bigfoot. This is on the other side of the LA National Forest in Acton. She's like, I know where it lives. Let's go, I'll show you. I think it's in this valley. We went up there. It's dusk. Or she brought all the sound equipment, right? She wants to record this thing. And she's pulling the stuff out of the back of the car. And I'm walking to the front of the car. There is no sign of civilization except for this dirt road. And this is maybe 5 or 10 miles off the BI freeway. But the LA National Forest is a million. I don't forget how many million of acres. But it's big. And I looked it up. Lots of Bigfoot reports there. And I'm standing in front of the car kind of surveying the Scene and something roars. And my first thought is, it's a jet going overhead. Of course, there was no jet. And she's petrified. She's stock still. She's absolutely petrified. She asked me, do these things kidnap people? I'm like, no, I've never heard of a case of that. I was wrong, it turns out. And I was still new to Bigfoot research. So I later told her. I'm like, well, yeah, maybe stay inside, because that has happened.

[Chris]

It's super rare, but we hear about, like, the missing 411 Paulides stuff, and

[Preston Dennett]

I mean, yeah, but then this thing roars again. And now I can triangulate it. This roar went on for, like, 20 seconds. That's a long time.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

If you've heard a lion roar, it's five, maybe 10 seconds. I was right next to the lion in the zoo, and it roared, and it's like, whoa. I had no idea it was that loud. This thing echoed in my chest. It had high tones. It had low tones. I felt almost ultrasonic, some of it, because it's like, damn, what the heck is this? You know, I'm all about bears. I've got all the books on bears. For whatever reason, grew up next to a cougar. You know, we Mercury cougar, the cars where they had a cougar advertising it. That cougar lived next to our house in a cage, sadly. But we would hear it all the time. I grew up in an area where there was a lot of wildlife in Topanga Canyon, but this thing was none of that. And then it roared again. Now I know where it is. I go running towards it. I want to see it. And she's like, what are you doing? Are you crazy? You know, get back here. That was my Bigfoot encounter. So we had to leave. She was hysterical, but I thought maybe for the best.

[Chris]

Who knows?

[Preston Dennett]

Hey, what better way to die than getting kidnapped by Bigfoot?

[Chris]

I can think of a better way.

[Preston Dennett]

But at any rate, having looked into all these Bigfoot cases, most people who see Bigfoot are not going to see a UFO. Most people see a UFO or ETs are not going to see a Bigfoot. But there's a smattering of cases, and I'll say 200, which is, again, statistically insignificant. But it's there. How do you explain this? People are like, bigfoot's an alien. I don't think so. Bigfoot's been around forever, and depending on who you talk to, it's sentient, it's psychic and so forth. But seeing some of these cases where Bigfoot's seen coming out of UFO walking in their width grades.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

I think. And this is going to sound crazy, this is my assessment. I think some are contactees. They're.

[Chris]

If they're intelligent from another planet.

[Preston Dennett]

No, I think that they are being contacted by ETs in the same way you or I would be.

[Chris]

Oh, like they live here already.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. I see. And we know ETS are studying our planet, from soil samples to collecting animals, rabbits, all of them, you know.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Picking up humans, taking genetic samples.

[Chris]

Yeah, it's an interesting take, I'll admit. There's also. We see them on board, too. Like there. There are Jeremy Weeks, who is here once again. Again, you know, this guy was military, he worked on radars. He's got crazy story of binary digits coming to him telepathically and that he had a. Which is a whole message and all sorts of stuff. But on board, one of these things, he did remember seeing, like a shorter that comes up. Yeah. Furry and dog men. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

That was kind of a relatively new thing.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Linda Godfrey.

[Chris]

Dog men, frog men, Birdman, cat people, there's all sorts.

[Preston Dennett]

Talk to Dolly. She saw a dog on board.

[Ram]

Wow.

[Preston Dennett]

We've only got a few. I've got a few cases of cat people, and I kind of put them on the back planet.

[Chris]

Yeah. I don't know the Lyrans or the. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

But I started to get more of those, so there seems to be all kinds of stuff going on here.

[Chris]

The one thing I think is interesting, too, is that you have all of these different species, Right. Or variations of the same species, whatever it is. But you find them all on Earth, like in their primitive form, whether it's the mantis, whether it's the bird, whether it's the cat, whether it's the dog. And what does that tell you? It tells you that, like, oh, we're all part of the family. The same family, 100%. Do you know what I mean? Like, we're all sharing a gene pool on some level.

[Preston Dennett]

We don't understand genes. Yeah, we really don't. But, yeah, I think there are little people, gnomes, elves, dwarves. Because I talked to this guy who saw. He swears up and down it was an elf because, you know, it had a big nose, bald head, little brown jacket, boots, the whole deal. And it would talk to him. He saw it four or five times, never touched him, but he knew it could manipulate objects. His mom's like, oh, you're just. You have an imaginary friend don't you? Which confused him because, you know, he's a little kid, but this was not imaginary. And he said, next time it comes, I'm going to have to tell him I'm moving and to come with me. This is in Colorado. And the elf showed up and he's like, oh, I'm leaving, you know, please come with me. And the elf got all sad and says, I can't do that. We're tied to this location. I put this story out, you know, in my books and on a YouTube. The response was crazy. I'm thinking, you know, elves are from the 1800s, right? Nope. Turns out a bunch of people like, oh, this happened to me. I had the same. We saw six little people and just a lot of them. One case that stuck out was this guy says, this may have been secondhand, but at any rate, an elf appeared and it's holding up his Matchbox car and looking at it. He wakes up and goes, oh my God. It runs through the wall with the Matchbox car in his hand. And Matchbox car hits the wall, drops the floor and spins. It's just a vivid detail. How do you make this stuff up?

[Chris]

I mean, it sounds so fantastical, but

[Preston Dennett]

what I want to know is who's making their little sweaters? Where are these? One guy's smoking a pipe. Really?

[Chris]

Yeah. That's the other thing too is there's a whole culture, Right. If you're wearing colors or tight fitting clothes, then to some extent aesthetics matter, Right? So if. If aesthetics matter, that means you have art, that means you have a palette. That means you have a history of art, a history of culture. And. And that's fascinating that there's culture attached to this stuff. For the most part, we hear about, you know, nothing in the ships.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah. They don't have paintings or anything, right?

[Chris]

No. Right. So we assume they're like, oh, you guys are just bland or something. But then you hear about other stories and you're like, oh, no, wait, there is something.

[Preston Dennett]

There's cases involving music. And these UFOs are aesthetically beautiful.

[Chris]

They are. Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Travis Wallen talked about that.

[Chris]

I mean, look at the sports model. Yeah, arguably, that looks like a Ferrari.

[Preston Dennett]

And their jumpsuits. The jumpsuit is the fashion of choice. That's right, with the ETs, but they have cloaks and capes and.

[Chris]

Yeah, And a lot of these. They're all fit, right? They're all fit. They're like in shape. And so again, obviously, health matters, but maybe also the way they look to some extent mattered at one point where they would, you know, breed in that, in that direction or something. Like, I mean, there's these questions have to be asked, you know, when you see them and they're like, okay, why

[Preston Dennett]

are all these tall blondes?

[Chris]

Like, what's the point here? Like, does this matter where you're from? You know what I mean? And so I don't know.

[Preston Dennett]

Interesting. But I think those are little people. I think they're probably interdimensional to some degree, but I'm not convinced they're ETs.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

And I know it goes back throughout history.

[Chris]

The elves, you mean, but.

[Preston Dennett]

Yeah, but when you're in the 1800s and 1700s and 1600s, you're not thinking ETs. So I think there's quite a bit of bleed through and misinterpretation of a lot of these things because we always look at things through the lens of our own culture.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Preston Dennett]

Like the airship wave of 1850, 1890, 1910, always kind of puzzled me because those are zeppelins. Well, zeppelins were invented in 1903 and I started really looking at that. There's not grays on these things. These are people. I honestly think that's US technology testing things out. That's my take on it right now.

[Chris]

It's probably a good take, but it's

[Preston Dennett]

hard to say for sure.

[Chris]

I mean, I always think Back to Aztec, 1948, New Mexico. The people who discovered the saucer who got. Or one of the air. One of the. One of the first people to come to the site. Who runs up on the ship.

[Preston Dennett]

A group of firemen, wasn't it?

[Chris]

Yeah. And at the same time you had a helicopter coming in. Now that's advanced military tech. Helicopters weren't out till 1948 or whatever, like up and around then. So that's like seeing a stealth bomber. He's seeing two UFOs. Right. He's seeing a helicopter and he's standing on a flying saucer. Like he's having the craziest day of his life.

[Preston Dennett]

It's got to be really confusing, you

[Chris]

know what I mean? Like it's, it's like the most modern human tech and like whatever that is. Yeah, I think back to that. All right. I think we've, we've hit the mark here. I mean, I could talk to you for hours and hours. This has been so much fun. Thank you so much for joining me. We do have a few books that Preston wrote which we will be giving away to some of the members as well. So if you're a member Just comment below. We'll choose one of you and we'll send that out. We'll have you sign those, if that's all right. And if you want to purchase one of these books, I would highly recommend it. First of all, go check out Preston's YouTube channel. I left the link below, but also check out one of his many, many books, because this is literally what we've been talking about. It is just the tip of the iceberg. You're going to walk away so much more knowledgeable and, you know, just entertained, if nothing else, by the. By the vast amount of stories that you have to, you know, share with us. Where can. Where can they do that, Preston?

[Preston Dennett]

I'm pretty easy to find. I do have a website. You can see excerpts of my books. Pretzendenit.weebly.com I'm on all. Well, I can't keep up with the social media platforms, but I'm on a bunch of them and my books are available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble bookstores near you, if you can find one. I remember the day when there were a lot of bookstores. Those days are over. Yeah, I used to spend a lot of time in those.

[Chris]

Now bookstores are in a little brown box or on your screen.

[Preston Dennett]

But, yeah, my books are pretty easy to find. I hope they are.

[Chris]

They came. I ordered a bunch. They came the next day. But, yeah, go, you know, go support Preston. And books are really easy and fun to read too. They're. They're really great reads. I really enjoyed reading them. And so I highly recommend that. Anything else you would like to say before we go?

[Preston Dennett]

No, I think we covered it. I would just say, you know, do your own research. You know, don't believe anyone. Don't believe me. Look into it when I say, you know, ETs aren't here to take over. Prove me wrong or don't, you know, just do your own research. I would not look to the government, but, yeah, just move past fear, love and truth to guide your actions because we're dealing with a lot of delusion and confusion on this planet, and we really need to work hard to, I think, come together and just do the right thing. So, yeah, love and truth. Love is the answer.

[Chris]

Thank you so much, Preston.

[Preston Dennett]

My pleasure. Thank you.

[Ram]

On November 11, 2025, my two kids and I went into the backyard in Savannah, Georgia, to try and get a glimpse of the northern lights. There had been this big solar storm, and what we saw instead was something that none of us will ever forget. In quick succession, we saw like five UFOs and the most striking was this giant triangle and it had this grid like pattern of white lights on the underside of it but the craft itself was like semi transparent like you could see through it when it moved in front of the stars you could see the stars behind didn't make any noise didn't have navigation lights my daughter who's 11 burst out into tears and said mom mom if I he I feel this humming inside of me it's like this loud humming I didn't experience that but she did it was unnerving for sure I would say the more striking event happened later that night my daughter and I had a shared dream experience where these three non human but human like beings spoke to us telepathically they had these big bright blue eyes and my daughter he said they look like Malfoy's family from Harry Potter so they're like fall and you know pale and blonde with long blonde hair and they said to us we've always been here but now you can see us.

[Preston Dennett]

Ram.