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Dax Shepard
Welcome, welcome. Welcome to Armchair Anonymous. I'm Dax Shepard. I'm joined by Lily Padman.
Lily Padman
Hi.
Dax Shepard
And today we have crazy stories from the water park.
Lily Padman
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Dax Shepard
Did anyone get that? Well, there was a. Some kind of a pathogen.
Lily Padman
There wasn't E. Coli that was confirmed.
Dax Shepard
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Josh
Hello.
Abby
Hi.
Dax Shepard
Hi, Josh.
Josh
How are you guys?
Dax Shepard
Good. We just noticed that on your little Zoom login you have a still from the Claymation or Stop Motion. I guess it's not Claymation but the Stop motion. Christmas.
Josh
Yes. It's one of my favorite Christmas time movies and clearly I'm behind on updating my profile picture.
Dax Shepard
Which one is it? Is it Rudolph?
Josh
No. So that's Santa Claus is coming to town.
Dax Shepard
Ah, that's the one that got you. How do you feel about Rudolph? Is that in the running that one's good.
Josh
Year without a Santa Claus. Oh, not a big Frosty the Snowman guy.
Dax Shepard
That's a pass for you. You like stop motion?
Josh
I do, yes.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. And where do you live, Josh?
Josh
I currently live in Connecticut.
Dax Shepard
Oh, okay. This is our first call from the east coast today. That's exciting. Does your story take place on the east co?
Josh
It does. My story takes place at Lake Compounce amusement park.
Dax Shepard
Ooh. Well, really quick. Were you close to New York or far from New York?
Josh
I'm pretty much like dead center.
Dax Shepard
Is ESPN around you?
Josh
Yes, actually, ESPN is in the same town as Lake Compounce.
Dax Shepard
Oh, okay, great. I just found my bearings.
Lily Padman
That was good. Yeah.
Dax Shepard
Thank you. Yeah. It was one time to bore you in New York and we had to do a bunch of press, and then one of the things was like, get in the car at 6. And then I got in. We're going to ESPN and I think it'll be in Times Square or whatever. Rockefeller Center?
Lily Padman
Yep.
Dax Shepard
No three hour car ride. We're going to Mid State Connecticut. You don't soon forget that. But what was this theme park that was the big summer destination? Was it just water park or was it everything?
Josh
So it's everything. It's actually the oldest continuously operating amusement park in the country. But yeah, it's really great. It's kind of a quaint place. It's right on a lake, and they have some really awesome roller coasters and amusement park rides. And then I actually worked in the water park and that's where my story takes place.
Dax Shepard
Oh, okay, great. I do love how all of us feel so much love and affinity for whatever amusement park we grew up with.
Lily Padman
Yeah.
Dax Shepard
So, like, of course, if that were mine, I would know that it was the oldest. That would be my claim.
Lily Padman
Yeah.
Dax Shepard
And I'll tell you, like, oh, Cedar Point has the most roller coasters.
Josh
Yeah. Lake Compounce also has one of the best wooden roller coasters in the world. And so I worked at Lake Compounce. My wife also worked at Lake Compounce at the same time, and she was the one that operated that ride.
Lily Padman
Oh, big responsibility.
Josh
So if you're ever in Connecticut, definitely try to go on Boulder Dash. That's the ride. Ride.
Dax Shepard
Oh, okay. I do love a wooden roller coaster. Yeah, that's my favorite. Okay. But alas, you were working there. What grade were you in?
Josh
So I had just finished my sophomore year of college. This was a summer job. I was a water park attendant. I was the guy on top of the water slide helping people go down the slide, making sure they get out okay and sending the next batch. I had nowhere near the responsibility that the lifeguards had. I was just sending people down the slide.
Dax Shepard
You're in charge of the gap too. Yeah, I'd imagine.
Josh
Yeah. I'm making small talk with the guests. It was a lot of fun.
Dax Shepard
I hate to be a perv, but you're talking to chicks in bikinis and stuff. That's got to be fun.
Lily Padman
Young man operating the wooden roller.
Dax Shepard
You still see the girls in bikinis even when you have a girlfriend.
Josh
It made me realize, replaying the story in my head, the water park is like such a vulnerable place for things to go wrong.
Dax Shepard
Yeah.
Josh
You're pretty much naked and things are going wrong.
Dax Shepard
Yeah.
Josh
So it adds this whole crazier element.
Dax Shepard
You're wet and naked. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Josh
And I'm just up there with like a whistle being like, okay, next.
Abby
Yeah.
Josh
It was a beautiful summer day and I was working what I think is probably the biggest and the most popular water park ride at Lake Compound. It's called Mammoth Falls and it is a huge green tube. Six people sit in a big yellow raft. The queue line for this ride can be like an hour, two hours long, especially on a busy day.
Dax Shepard
Whoa.
Josh
And when you enter this ride, you kind of walk down a path almost in the woods. And then there is a like four or five story tall tower of stairs. You climb all the way to the top to get to the top deck. And so that's where I am. And everything's going smooth. A family of four comes up. It's their turn to get into the raft. And I'm all alone up there, so I'm helping this family. Everything's normal. But then out of the corner of my eye, I notice a little bit of a commotion. And it was a woman and an 8 year old girl kind of pushing their way up to the top of this deck. In the moment, I didn't really think much of it. And I usually didn't intervene when people were cutting the line unless people around them started to really make a stink about it. But no one was saying anything. They were kind of just letting this happen. So I just ignored it, was focusing on the family in front of me, getting them ready to go down the slide. Next thing I know, let's say they're mother and daughter. They are jumping into the raft. They have made their way to the top, and now they are inserting themselves with this family of four. And again, like, I wasn't really thinking much in that moment. And there were two open seats. And I think if it was at capacity, I would have been like, please wait. But there were two open seats and they just jumped in. And I thought maybe they were confused and they can join now to try
Dax Shepard
to be really generous to them and make a good argument for them. Do you think it's possible that they were operating under the protocol of like a ski chair lift, where it's like, if you're a single, you know, you can get in that singles line. They're like, well, we're not six, so clearly there's going to be a gap for two. Is that possible? Or they were just assholes?
Josh
Well, it's kind of part of the story.
Dax Shepard
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Josh
Usually it's the stairs. And then right at the top of the stairs where you enter the top deck, there is kind of a barrier that is set up so that people aren't just flooding this top deck. Because also at the top deck, there's a pretty large pool with about a foot of water. And that's where the raft goes. And then it just filters down the tube. So usually most of the people are all on the stairs. So we really didn't experience people kind of going past that until it was their turn.
Dax Shepard
Gotcha.
Josh
And so I am ready to send this group of six down the slide. And it was almost as like, just as I let go of the raft, I get a better look at the mother and daughter, and they were completely covered in vomit.
Deidre
No,
Josh
as you really enter the tube, there's like a waterfall that kind of splashes you. And I just remember seeing the vomit splashing off of them and filling the inner part of this raft.
Dax Shepard
Ew.
Josh
It was bad. And then they just disappear into the darkness. They're on their way. And so I start panicking because my first thought is, oh, my gosh, we're gonna have to close down this ride. And the line is long, and that's the worst thing to have to do to people is be like, you've waited all this time and now we're shutting down the ride. So I quickly go and grab the phone that is at the top of this deck to call down to the lifeguard. I don't know if this is a universal thing, but at lake compounds any kind of vomit situation. We called it a rainbow.
Lily Padman
Oh, all right.
Josh
And so I called down to the lifeguard, I said, hey, we got a rainbow. I don't know what's about to come out of this slide, but we're gonna have to shut down the Ride. I'm gonna close the queue line. I'm gonna call the manager.
Dax Shepard
What is protocol? Like, what happens when that's flagged?
Josh
Usually it's scooping it out. It kind of depends on the severity of the situation. Sometimes it's kind of a temporary pause, like, let's clean it up, make sure it's okay. I remember being told that the raft at the bottom was covered, so that raft had to get pulled. But, yeah, we did end up shutting down the ride. But I'm on the phone talking to the lifeguard, and I'm kind of looking down. I'm away from the queue line and I get a tap on the shoulder and I turn around and there is a large gentleman, shirtless, standing in front of me. He is covered in vomit.
Lily Padman
What the fuck is going on? This is a horror movie.
Josh
He's very distressed. And then I see a few more people start to push their way up this staircase onto the top deck. What with some amount of vomit all over them.
Lily Padman
Oh, what is going on?
Josh
I'm panicking. Everyone looks horrified. And I asked the guy, like, what happened? What's going on? And all he said was, it came from up above.
Dax Shepard
Yes, it was booting over the side.
Abby
Oh.
Josh
What happened was this little girl waiting. Whether it was a heat related thing or feeling sick, she pretty much made it to the top of the deck, felt sick, leaned over, threw up all over everyone below her.
Dax Shepard
Oh, man, that surpasses. I've been pooped on by a bird on the Santa Monica promenade. That's rough. But I can't imagine getting hit in the face with vomit from a stranger's vomit.
Lily Padman
No, no, no, no, no.
Dax Shepard
It helps that it was a little girl. If I got to pick who I'm getting vomited on, I think that's my pick.
Josh
And I think for those folks, it was either let me leave this line and go to the bathroom or I'm coming to the top to try to wash, to get washed.
Dax Shepard
That would be my instincts. Like, I need to get in the water now. Was he really covered? Like, it sounds like it was a tremendous amount of puke.
Josh
He was covered.
Dax Shepard
Oh.
Josh
My first thought was, maybe this girl threw up and it got on people next to her. But no, he was covered. It was a mess.
Dax Shepard
Oh, and then of course, he wants to jump in the water.
Josh
Yeah. So I have all these people, they're jumping into this little pool with a foot of water, splashing themselves, just desperately trying to get it off in. My first response was to be like, you got to get out it's not safe. You're going to fall in the slide. But they didn't care. They were like, I need to clear myself off.
Lily Padman
Also, there was vomit in the water already.
Josh
So it's like the top of the deck was a mess, so I ended up having to clear the whole line, shut down the ride.
Lily Padman
Oh, my God, what a disaster.
Dax Shepard
Do you think people got free passes for that?
Josh
Circumstances like that? There would definitely be some sort of voucher that people can receive.
Dax Shepard
You would hope. Yeah. It kind of ruined the trip to the water park to get thrown up on.
Lily Padman
That's disgusting.
Dax Shepard
What a wonderful mystery, though. The first one's like, what's going on? They're pushing.
Lily Padman
We think something's wrong with them.
Dax Shepard
Yeah, they're bitchy. And then also, oh, they've puked. So they just want to get down before she pukes again. No, still not the right.
Lily Padman
I'm surprised they didn't say, like, hey, there's a situation.
Dax Shepard
Someone's puking from above.
Lily Padman
Yeah. The mother and daughter, when they got
Josh
in, that's what was strange to me too. It's not like they got at the top of the deck and they're like, hey, we're really sick. Like, we need help. I'm getting on this slide and I'm leaving. I'm going down.
Dax Shepard
Decorum.
Josh
Yeah.
Lily Padman
Do you think they were the cause of it?
Josh
One of the guests said that they saw the girl throw up over the edge that.
Dax Shepard
Oh, the girl who ran to the top. Yeah.
Josh
It was not good. And the worst part is that ride is so fun because working in this water park, you had a rotation of rides you worked. And so once you were done with your, like, hour block of working on a ride, to go to the next one. And I would always hop on the raft with a family and, like, ride it down to go to the next one. But that one had to shut down the ride. I had to get a bag of cat litter, go down the steps, clean up all the spots that had vomit on it, and make my way to the next ride.
Dax Shepard
That slide was probably down for the day.
Josh
Yeah, it was.
Dax Shepard
We didn't get that back up and running.
Lily Padman
Take a minute.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, grody.
Lily Padman
I hate thinking about what goes on in these public environments.
Dax Shepard
And to Josh's first point, they were exposed. They were nude, so it was getting all over their skin. It wasn't like, on their shirt that they could take off on their sides.
Lily Padman
Mouth, maybe.
Dax Shepard
Yeah.
Lily Padman
Wow.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. How long did you work there?
Josh
I was there for two summers.
Dax Shepard
Did you Want to work there forever?
Josh
No, it was just a summer job. There are so many stories at this water park.
Dax Shepard
Were there poop incidents? Did people have unauthorized evacuations?
Josh
I never actually saw or dealt with that.
Dax Shepard
Oh, that's good.
Lily Padman
That's encouraging because that's E. Coli, you know, that's an E. Coli scare.
Josh
That's a mess. There would be a few times where that would happen in the pools. That's when you really have to drain the whole pool. But I never like, dealt with that firsthand.
Dax Shepard
I went to a water park on the outskirts of Seattle and I was wearing a pair of shorts that I had been wearing way too many summers. I was probably my fifth summer in these shorts. So they were big with my friend Colleen. Yeah, they were really kind of thin. And we went down one of these really tall, like 45 degree angle, really fast, you know, cross your legs type slides and dueling slides were next to each other. And we go down and then we get into the water and then we come out of the water and we're getting the water out of our hair and then we just start walking. And then all of a sudden and we walk for a minute and she goes, oh my God, my entire butt cheeks were out. It had ripped the whole back of my fucking shorts off. And again, I left all my clothes in the car. I didn't want to get a locker or anything. So I entered in just that swimsu. So I had to walk through the park with my hands over my butt crack. Oh. And go back out to the car. And she kind of walked behind me.
Lily Padman
Pretty self conscious about your butt crack.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. Uh huh. So if that happened to me, I can only imagine. I bet there's a ton of swimsuit disasters there.
Josh
Oh, all the time.
Lily Padman
Thanks for sharing.
Dax Shepard
Yeah, thanks, Josh.
Josh
Of course. Do you mind if I bring my wife on to say hi?
Dax Shepard
Yeah, let's talk to her.
Josh
She's the one that got me into the podcast. She was a listener way before me.
Lily Padman
Oh, she's wearing a robot.
Deidre
Hi.
Madison
Yes, I'm wearing the robot.
Dax Shepard
It looks so cute. Welcome, welcome, welcome. We heard you worked the tallest, fastest wooden roller coaster.
Ethan
That's right. I sure did.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. Anything exciting happened there? I mean, people must have come back in all kinds of states of mind.
Ethan
Oh, absolutely. We saw a lot of things on that roller coaster. Cause that was the destination for the park. So you got a lot of people who would travel from across the country. We'd have roller coaster enthusiasts that would come to ride this particular wooden roller coaster. So it was Cool. You got to see all different types of people. Some having really great days, some not so much. Cause they were very scared.
Lily Padman
Did you get promoted to that position? Like that's like the best position you can have in the park?
Ethan
No, that's the first one I had.
Deidre
Wow.
Dax Shepard
First and last.
Ethan
I think I just got lucky. But it was fun. Cause we were working there at the same time and we were dating and so we sometimes would get lunch together or he'd wave at me.
Lily Padman
And then you get PQs.
Dax Shepard
I like it. Well, it's nice meeting both of you.
Ethan
Yes, likewise. Thank you guys so much for having us.
Dax Shepard
Take care.
Lily Padman
Bye.
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Abby
Hi.
Deidre
Hi.
Abby
Oh, my gosh. So nice to meet you guys.
Dax Shepard
Abby, where are you?
Abby
So I am in Boston right now.
Dax Shepard
Okay. That feels right for you. Yeah, that would have been in a top three guess for me.
Lily Padman
Really?
Dax Shepard
Yeah. You look Irish to me. Are you Irish?
Abby
Definitely, yes.
Dax Shepard
Very fucking Irish.
Abby
Yeah. Plays into the story just the tiniest bit.
Lily Padman
Oh, that's funny.
Dax Shepard
Okay, well, please take us through your water park experience.
Abby
Okay, well, so first I want to say I was born and raised in Wisconsin, so I really hope you guys get some story from Wisconsin Dells because it is the water park capital of the world. And sadly, my story's not from there.
Dax Shepard
Oh, okay. Now, we did just talk to someone from Wisconsin, but they had pooped their pants. That's why we talked to them.
Lily Padman
That was different.
Dax Shepard
On a tubing trip. Did you ever go tubing in Wisconsin?
Abby
Not in Wisconsin, but lots of good water adventures there.
Dax Shepard
Okay, great.
Lily Padman
Wisconsin is what I would have guessed.
Dax Shepard
Okay, well, you would be right.
Lily Padman
It makes sense.
Josh
Yeah.
Dax Shepard
Yeah.
Abby
You should have said that first.
Lily Padman
I know, but I'm just so shy.
Dax Shepard
Yeah, she's so timid and afraid.
Abby
Yeah, I've noticed that about you.
Dax Shepard
Okay. So not in Wisconsin, though, this water park story.
Abby
Yes. So my story takes place in Bali.
Dax Shepard
Oh.
Abby
Summer of 2019. I just finished my freshman year of college, and so I got the opportunity to work in a lab in Singapore with a bunch of other university students. It was like the opportunity of a lifetime. So I was like, okay, if I'm going to be in Singapore all summer and being paid to be there, like, I wanted to travel every single weekend.
Dax Shepard
And what kind of lab are we talking about?
Abby
It was antimicrobial resistance bacteria kind of lab. One of the places that we went to was Bali. I did a long weekend girls trip there, and it was as fun as you could, like, possibly imagine. Acai bowls every day, walking on the beach, surfing, hiking. All the amazing things you imagine about Bali. That's what that trip was.
Dax Shepard
Was it so hot, though? I went one time and I think it is in the top three prettiest places I've ever been in. My life. But also it's the hottest place I've ever felt in my life.
Abby
Well, so since I'd been l in Singapore for a few months at that time and kind of like acclimated, it didn't feel too bad because Singapore is like 100 and 100% humidity every day. So, yeah, it's brutal.
Dax Shepard
I was on a cruise ship, and when we got off the cruise ship to get on the little tender to go over to Bali, it was like walking into a blast furnace. It was just like, oh, my God, this is overwhelming.
Abby
Yeah, that's about right. So the first day we went surfing, and this is important because I got sunburnt over, like my entire backside. 50% of my body was completely sunburnt.
Dax Shepard
For the listener, Abby is very fair skinned, blonde hair.
Abby
In my defense, I did put on sunscreen, but I think I wasn't that good at surfing. So I did a lot more like, tumbling than riding the waves. And I think that maybe contributed to the sunscreen coming off a bit too quickly. So then the day that the story takes place, we had a driver because that was cheaper than having, like a taxi or anything. And he suggested this kind of like, cool, slightly off the beaten path, little water place for us to go to. And so, so we drove through the rice paddies and these like, pepper fields and stuff. And all of a sudden you are in the Indonesian jungle. And it's like so beautiful and green all around. And there's this huge gorge that goes through. And the gorge is two to three stories high, the walls for most parts, and this black gray stone. So it's this like super cool, shady vibe where like the vines are hanging down onto the rocks. And then they basically have it set up as this natural water park, like
Dax Shepard
a flume, like you're going through, like, carved out of volcanic rock.
Abby
Yeah. And there's like water flowing through there.
Dax Shepard
Made for Instagram?
Lily Padman
Yes.
Abby
Oh, for sure.
Dax Shepard
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Abby
Unfortunately, I was wearing a long sleeve T shirt because I was too sunburnt. So no good Instagram pics that day. But it was so fun nonetheless. Our guide was super nice and we were walking through and there's some places where the water's like ankle deep and you're kind of just hiking. And there's some places where it's like chest deep and so you're kind of like grabbing onto your friends, pulling them through the current and like climbing over the rocks and some places where the water is like deep enough for you to climb up the rocks and jump into the Water and cliff dive, kind of.
Dax Shepard
This is a heaven.
Abby
It was heaven. And our guide was really encouraging us to be brave and jump and have a good time. So I really appreciated that. And then the other part that I thought was really cool was that the water inside the gorge was all fresh water. And having spent the whole summer in that Southeast Asia region, everything is like salt water. And being a Wisconsin girl, I really like that freshwater feeling. It just feels nicer on my skin. I like it. It feels like at home for me. So I remember that being distinctly nice about being there.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. Yeah. I'm a freshwater guy too. The fresh coast.
Abby
Yeah, I love it. So now we fast forward six years. Oh, and this Bali trip and the time at the natural water park are just kind of like a distant fond memory. And I think about the water park. Oh, like that was like such a cool little adventure that we went on. Whatever. But. So it was 2025 and I was having really bad issues with pretty constant stomach aches. Like every single day I have a stomachache. I'm curled over. I feel so bad. I'm going to work pretending everything's fine, but it's really not. I feel horrible. And so I'm seeing my pcp. I'm seeing a GI doctor.
Dax Shepard
What's a pcp?
Lily Padman
Primary care physician.
Dax Shepard
Oh, great.
Abby
So I'm seeing them. I'm doing so many blood tests. I even got a colonoscopy. So kind of crazy that I can relate to your colonoscopy stories at age 26, but. So we kind of did everything and eventually we're sor of like grasping for straws. And my GI doctor asked me if I'd ever been to Southeast Asia or Africa. Oh, I said I had been, but it was like six years ago, so probably irrelevant. And then she asked if I'd ever been in fresh water there. And now I think back to the water park.
Dax Shepard
No.
Abby
No. And it turns out I for six years had had microscopic parasitic worms in my system.
Dax Shepard
Also, the irony that you were there doing antimicrobial work in Singapore.
Lily Padman
This feels unfair.
Dax Shepard
The microbes were like, oh, you want to fuck with us?
Lily Padman
Wait, what if the microbes actually got in from the lab?
Abby
It's so gross. They literally swim into your skin in the water.
Lily Padman
Really flesh eating.
Dax Shepard
So wait, did they? Okay, I have a lot of questions and you seem perfectly suited to answer them on a biological level. Do you think the people that live there and interact with that water all the time, are they all just infested with these worms or they somehow have some, some other microbe in their body that's keeping that in check. What's going on with those folks?
Abby
Yeah, so I did some research on it and there's at any given time like 200 million people in the world that actually have this. So it's super common, but it's not common for a tourist because you're not usually in that type of water. But like a lot of the young kids who are like bathing in that water or drinking from that water, like using that water for different things, they're getting this parasite and there's an anti parasitic drug to get rid of it. But for me personally, I didn't have the early signs that I had the parasite because the early signs are fatigue, rash and really itchy skin. But I had a rash over 50% of my body from my sunburn. Oh, literally, it was so gross. All of my skin peeled off within a few weeks because it was so badly sunburnt. And so. So I was super, super itchy after I'd gotten this sunburn. So I had kind of like rashes and I had really itchy skin. But it didn't really tip me off that it was something like that. I was like, well, obviously I'm just got a sunburn.
Dax Shepard
This should be in the textbook for correlation versus causation.
Abby
Definitely.
Dax Shepard
So I need to know about the treatment. But was your first thought was like, okay, all the girls on the trip, I need to call them and find out if they have this?
Abby
Yeah, I was actually having like a college reunion with them a few weeks later. So it was kind of the perfect opening line conversation starter with them being like, just so you know, like, I've had this parasite for six years. If you think you might have it, talk to your doctor.
Dax Shepard
Did anyone say they were having stomach issues or.
Abby
No, no one else said that they ended up getting it. But I might have also been more susceptible, like with the sunburn, because it really hurts your skin barrier. So probably wasn't as good with my defenses as they were at that time.
Dax Shepard
And what's the name of the actual parasite you had?
Abby
Oh, I'm going to butcher the pronunciation, but it's like shishto, something like that.
Dax Shepard
Oh, shit. Shit. Psomiasis.
Abby
Exactly.
Dax Shepard
And what's the treatment?
Abby
There's pills you take, but it's very specific the amount of pill you take too. So I had to go to the doctor and get weighed before I got prescribed the pills. And I had to take exactly 3.75 pills. And so like the pharmacist gave me four and I literally had to like chip off part of one of them and take the exact right amount for my body weight.
Dax Shepard
So how long did it take before you felt better? And then a really gross question. Do you pass them? Are they in your stool? Can you see them? Sorry.
Abby
Yeah, so I got better like pretty much immediately after you take the pills. It's like pretty much done within the next day or so, which is really nice. But yeah, you kind of like pass it through your stool. And the crazy thing is they can live in you for way longer than six years. Like it could live in you for up to like three decades. What? Oh, I know, it's so crazy. So I think I was probably pooping some out over time, but they just keep reproducing and stuff like that, so I didn't really know to look for them.
Dax Shepard
Okay, last question. Just cause I'm a little too into the microbiome. Did the treatment also kill off a lot of your good microbes? And did you have to repopulate? Was there collateral damage in this?
Abby
I didn't have to do anything. I wasn't recommended to do anything. And you maybe don't want to know if you're damaging your microbiome, just be happy with the fix that you got.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. Don't worry about the water leak, if the roof's on fire situation.
Lily Padman
We gotta get rid of these worms that entered through your skin.
Dax Shepard
As soon as you say worms, it takes it to another. I was preparing myself for a tapeworm story. What she said. Six years later, I'm like, okay, she got some.
Lily Padman
I thought you had Zika.
Dax Shepard
Oh no.
Abby
Thankfully no.
Dax Shepard
Isn't that from mosquitoes?
Lily Padman
I don't know, but it's in those areas.
Dax Shepard
Uh huh.
Lily Padman
Scary.
Dax Shepard
But you're now healthy as a horse.
Abby
Thankfully. You know, knock on wood.
Dax Shepard
God. I'm trying to decide how I move forward having heard this story. How many other gals were with you in this excursion?
Abby
Three other girls.
Dax Shepard
So 25% chance.
Lily Padman
Yeah.
Dax Shepard
And I'm trying to think if I would still do it.
Lily Padman
Go there?
Dax Shepard
Yes. I want to see it. It sounds so fun. Was it so fun?
Abby
It was so fun. And honestly it seems like based on the number of people that get it every year, you probably would get it.
Lily Padman
Oh my God.
Abby
If you get a rash and you get itchy and it's not from a sunburn.
Dax Shepard
Yeah.
Abby
Then that's like a good tip to like go to your doctor. It's worth it. I think it's worth the risk, guys.
Deidre
No, no.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. I recommend it, too.
Lily Padman
I'd like to be on record saying I do not recommend doing this.
Dax Shepard
Well, Abby, what a story.
Lily Padman
I'm so glad you figured it out.
Dax Shepard
And I guess the Irishness did come to play in the sunburn.
Abby
Yeah.
Dax Shepard
How do you do with anesthetic? Any wild experience? Experiences.
Abby
Oh, my gosh. It honestly is so bad. I've had issues with, like, a gum graft where it wasn't anesthetized enough. And post colonoscopy, I, like, threw up everywhere.
Dax Shepard
Oh, no. Wow.
Lily Padman
So you can't. It's not good for you.
Abby
Yeah, it's not good.
Lily Padman
But maybe you threw up because worms were in your body. We could start looking back and worms
Dax Shepard
could be caused of everything. Yeah. If you didn't file your taxes in 2022, could have been the worms.
Abby
It could have. Exactly. Exactly.
Lily Padman
Oh, wow.
Dax Shepard
Well, Abby, it's so delightful to meet you.
Abby
Thank you. Well, I really appreciate it. And I just want to give one quick shout out, too, to my fiance, Ethan. He is the funniest, kindest, most handsome, amazing cat dad ever.
Lily Padman
Oh, we love Ethan.
Abby
And exactly one month from today, he is gonna become my husband.
Madison
Yay.
Abby
Have to shout him out for that.
Lily Padman
Congratulations.
Dax Shepard
April showers bring May wedding.
Abby
Exactly.
Madison
That's what they say.
Dax Shepard
Well, congratulations, and we wish you a ton of luck on this union. And he sounds like a big babe, and I'm happy for you.
Abby
Thank you so much.
Dax Shepard
All right, nice meeting you, Abby.
Abby
Bye.
Dax Shepard
Bye. Hi. Hi, Deidre. Where are you in the country?
Deidre
I'm near Lake Norman in North Carolina. Huntersville.
Dax Shepard
Okay. Is that closer to Raleigh or to Charlotte?
Deidre
Charlotte.
Dax Shepard
And do NASCAR people live on that lake?
Deidre
I've heard NASCAR basketball country stars.
Dax Shepard
Oh, nice place to be. I follow a few NASCAR drivers, and I see them on their cool boats on the lake, and I bet it's that lake.
Deidre
Yeah, they have, like, helicopters on some of the houses around here. Little planes. We just have an suv.
Dax Shepard
Okay, well, that's all one needs. Okay, so you have a water park story.
Deidre
It's taken me a lot of years to tell it, so. 2013, we were on family vacation. My kids were 6 and 10. They are now 19 and 23. They begged us, can we go to a water park? It's not my husband and my favorite thing to do, but we thought, you know, what? What the hell? Bought tickets, went. So we're about halfway through the day, it's time to go to the tallest, biggest, darkest water slide they have. And I want to talk about the version of myself at that point in 2013. This is very important. I'm thick now, but I was an extra, extra thick piece of bacon then. That's very important.
Dax Shepard
Okay.
Lily Padman
Okay.
Deidre
We climb up the 17,000 stairs. We get to the top. There's about five families in front of us, and I get instant diarrhea. And I look at my husband and I and like, I've got to go. I've got to go now.
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Deidre
So I go down the stairs as fast can. I'm like pry dog in the whole way. Please do not let me in. This swimsuit will ruin the whole day. I get to the bathroom, we walk in and it is like a watery grave in there. They have not taken care of the floors.
Lily Padman
Disgusting.
Deidre
It's crazy. So I'm carefully trying to get to the stall. But at that time, and you may remember, this really was in style was these like foam wedge shoes that were kind of like flip flops which I wore. My husband is 6 5. I'm 5 7. Kind of always trying to be a little taller. I have that on. I have a cover up and a full piece bathing suit, you guys. I get to the stall, I lock the door.
Dax Shepard
I'm like, God, you consider just pulling it to the side? Because what a panic. Like I feel like having to get out of a one piece versus just pull it to the side.
Deidre
I actually had that thought and I was like, if I get shit on myself, I will gag. I can't do it.
Dax Shepard
Okay. You're sensitive to this whole also.
Lily Padman
Yeah. It does run the risk of it getting more places.
Deidre
Yeah. And you want to be clean. So took it offside. I'm like, thank God. Did what I needed to do.
Abby
Right.
Dax Shepard
Really quick. I do need a little more detail, unfortunately. Do you think all the motion of the day. Did you drink some pool water? Had you eaten something dicey? Was it a flu? How do we explain this?
Deidre
I think it was what I chose to eat mixed with an alcoholic beverage. It doesn't take me a lot. Okay, one drink, I'm done. So it's time to lean in. Now let's talk about the size. Okay. I want to get a clean wipe, guys. I have a long torso, short arms. So I am now on my tiptoe, leaning forward. Go to get a great wipe, you guys. When I do, I slip, I fall.
Madison
No.
Deidre
Oh.
Dax Shepard
Oh.
Deidre
It gets worse.
Dax Shepard
And you're bare. Naked.
Deidre
Bare naked. Okay. But behind us all, there's nothing grosser
Dax Shepard
to me in the world than a wet fucking bathroom floor. When you go to a public pool or a campground, it is the worst.
Deidre
It is disgusting. So I'm on my knees in a prayer, but my legs are wide open. As the universe would have it, it. There is a woman walking on the other side of the stall who falls.
Abby
No.
Deidre
Flat on her back. Her foot comes up underneath my stall and her toes go into my vagina.
Dax Shepard
No, no, no, no, no. What the.
Deidre
I swear to God.
Dax Shepard
Oh, my God, what timing. She was barefoot in the bathroom.
Deidre
She knows what she touched. I know what she's touching.
Dax Shepard
Oh.
Deidre
And we're I'm getting up and I'm like, are you okay? Yeah, are you okay? We're just talking through the door. She leaves. And I'm like, I don't even fucking know what just happened.
Dax Shepard
Yeah, I would go to the car if I were you. That'd be a wrap on the day for me. I just almost shit my suit. I fell on a wet floor. A stranger's toes went in my vagina. I mean, this is. This is impossible.
Deidre
It is impossible. And so I do what I need to do. I clean up, I get my suit back on. I'm like, I'm not coming out of this stall. Like, I don't want to see her. I need her to be like, far, far from the bathroom. And all of a sudden I hear, ma', am, we're going to need you to come out the other party and you need to fill out an incident report. And I was like, no. Oh, no. I was like, I'm good. I don't need to fall. Yeah, for liability reasons, you need to fill out an incident report.
Dax Shepard
Oh, you got to be on record a paper trail of this.
Deidre
Out I come, I see the lady. Basically, I just had sexual relations with.
Dax Shepard
What kind of gal was she? What age was she?
Deidre
In her 40s, I would guess.
Dax Shepard
Okay. A little older. Okay.
Deidre
She had her whole crew there. I was solo. I have to tell my story. She has to tell her story. I finally get out of the bathroom. 30 minutes, my family is waiting for me. My husband, what the hell happened? He's like, you look traumatized. I was like, think I tell him? He dies laughing. But instead of comforting me, he said, oh, my God, I hope she didn't have athletes feet.
Dax Shepard
Sure. It crossed my mind as a guy. I didn't say it.
Deidre
I'm already concerned about a possible yeast infection.
Lily Padman
I was about to say uti, Right.
Deidre
I had him swear to secrecy that day. Do not ever, ever tell this story. It took him about three years, and we were at like a cookout on
Dax Shepard
July 4th, and he's all tipsy.
Deidre
Yeah. He's like, hey, guys, you do wants to tell you a water park story that was in 2000 2016, and it has been told so many times. I hope the lady whose foot went in my vagina hears this and calls you.
Dax Shepard
What could be better? Like, we have one last caller and it's from Madison. It could be.
Lily Padman
I mean, I hope.
Dax Shepard
Fingers, toes crossed.
Deidre
Please message me back. We started off on the wrong foot. I guess we could have a nice little date or something.
Lily Padman
That's insane.
Dax Shepard
I don't know how I would recover. Honest to God, the foot in the vagina, to me is so secondary to being on the. A wet ground, naked in a bathroom
Lily Padman
that she was on it.
Dax Shepard
Her feet were in that water.
Deidre
Her feet were on it. What are the chances? Hence the title of when I wrote in, I was like, I was towed at a water park. But it's like, how does that happen? I have tried to figure out just how in the world. The timing.
Dax Shepard
It might be a glitch in the sand.
Abby
It does.
Lily Padman
It sounds like something possible. Like a true glitch.
Dax Shepard
A true glitch.
Lily Padman
Yeah, they happen sometimes.
Dax Shepard
CPU overheating.
Lily Padman
My dad. I'll talk to him about this.
Dax Shepard
Dear kids, were they aware of the story?
Deidre
Not at that age, but as they got older they did. And it's been repeated. I meet my daughter's adult friends and they're like, can you please tell the water park story?
Dax Shepard
Well, they owe you. You didn't want to go to the water park. You win. And then you got footed.
Deidre
I got towed.
Lily Padman
Wow.
Dax Shepard
Oh, wow. What a banger. That's fantastic. You know, we thought we were getting water parking. It was unauthorized evacuation, slip and fall. Tell us about a time you. You got a stranger's foot in your vagina.
Deidre
It was the first time I'd ever had a foot in my vagina.
Dax Shepard
Wow. Wow.
Lily Padman
What if you ended up really liking it and then it started becoming a kink?
Deidre
Oh, man. Part two. Part two.
Lily Padman
Yeah. Exactly.
Dax Shepard
Oh, well, it's a delight to meet you.
Deidre
Hey, great to meet you guys. Thanks for having me.
Dax Shepard
You're clearly a lot of fun. I'm happy for your kids. They got a. Clearly, a very fun mom.
Deidre
We like to have fun. My husband's not too bad either.
Dax Shepard
6 5. He's got no choice. You can't be a wallflower at 6 5. You gotta own it.
Deidre
He owns it. Monica, your podcast cast. Beth's dead. Best thing ever, I just want to tell you that.
Lily Padman
So happy you liked it.
Dax Shepard
It was the best thing ever.
Lily Padman
Thank you for listening.
Dax Shepard
Send our love to your family. All right, bye. Great meeting you.
Deidre
Great to meet you guys.
Abby
Hi.
Dax Shepard
Hi. Is this Madison?
Abby
It is.
Madison
Can you hear me okay?
Dax Shepard
Yes. How did you pick Madison?
Madison
It's an ode to a good friend, and I hope she appreciates it.
Lily Padman
That's sweet.
Dax Shepard
Where are you?
Madison
I am in Massachusetts.
Dax Shepard
Great. That's our second one today.
Madison
Oh, yeah. I wonder if it's the same water park. I wouldn't be surprised.
Dax Shepard
What was the name of this one?
Madison
This is called Water Whiz on Cape Cod.
Dax Shepard
No, no, that's new. This is novel. Okay, set the scene for us. What year is it? Walk us through it.
Madison
All right. The year is 2007. And I'm an awkward 15 year old girl, which is, is really crucial to this story. So I was at Water Wiz near Cape Cod with my best friend and her family and I was wearing this like cutesy bikini. And in the middle of the water park is this giant black enclosed slide. It's like at least 50ft tall. It's known for giving notorious wedgies. And if you've ever seen the movie Grownups with Adam Sandler, then like, you've seen it.
Dax Shepard
Okay, okay. And this is one you're in an entirely enclosed tube, right? And you're flying, turning, and then the fiberglass with the seams are cutting your back.
Madison
All of the above.
Lily Padman
Are you on a mat?
Madison
Nope. Straight body down. And there's always like teenage boys, you know, at the bottom looking to sneak a peek of someone's butt cheek because the wedgies are part of the ride.
Dax Shepard
Also, people are probably losing their tops occasionally.
Madison
Absolutely.
Lily Padman
Also, some people just take them off in there.
Dax Shepard
Well, I know maybe.
Madison
Okay, so I go plummeting down this slide and I get more than just the wedgie I bargained for. I get to the bottom and I immediately know something's wrong because I have this intense pain in the bottom area of my bathing suit and I can barely stand up.
Dax Shepard
Oh, no. Okay, now really quick is the pain in your butt or your vagina?
Madison
So that's the to be determined. So I go to the bathroom and there's like some blood.
Dax Shepard
Oh,
Lily Padman
no.
Dax Shepard
Monica's very sensitive to these vagina stories. Like the woman who fell in the movie. I know, I think about it all
Madison
the time of being 15 is really like a crucial part of this story. And I had no idea what was happening. Just like this general throb. And I was like a very inexperienced 15 year old girl at the time. So I laugh to my friend and tell her that I popped my cherry.
Dax Shepard
Okay, sure, sure.
Madison
And we're just like convinced. Cause when you're 15, you hear it can happen like riding a horse or other things. So I was like, this is my experience. It happened on Pirate's Plunge. So I tell nobody except her this is like our little secret that I popped my cherry on Pirate's Plunge at Water Wiz.
Dax Shepard
Really quick, Madison, the bleeding stopped or did you have to put like a bird's nest of toilet paper in there? Where were we?
Madison
At with the bleeding, I definitely put some toilet paper in there, but it's not like a heavy bleed.
Dax Shepard
Okay.
Deidre
Okay.
Madison
At the time. So I tell obviously no one. And days later I can tell that it's definitely my asshole that's hurting.
Lily Padman
Oh boy. Oh, you popped a different cherry.
Madison
As a 15 year old girl, I don't just go home and tell my mom, like, oh, my butt hurts.
Lily Padman
Never.
Madison
I would never exactly, like, not something you do. So days go by, weeks go by, and I'm in excruciating pain. And in the meantime, I'm going to school, I'm dancing. I climbed the Statue of Liberty.
Dax Shepard
Oh, wait a minute. How does one climb the Statue of Liberty?
Deidre
You could.
Madison
You used to be able to do that.
Lily Padman
Yeah, there were stairs.
Madison
So I resorted at this point to only going to the bathroom at my own house because I would literally need to bite on my family's hand towels that were hanging next to the toilet because of how much pain I was in.
Dax Shepard
And would you bleed every time you had a bowel movement?
Madison
Not really. Probably like streaky, but like, not like heavy. Finally, after, like shitting myself, I decide I tell my mom that something is going on. It's the end of November at this point, and this had happened in middle of July.
Lily Padman
Oh my, you are a trooper. And also, we just need to be able to talk to our moms.
Madison
I know since giving birth, I would say this topped it. Imagine the feeling of like acid pee on an open wound. No, absolutely horrible pain. Anyways, my mom ends up bringing me to like my family pediatrician. And I at this point won't let anybody like touch me or like do like an internal or external exam. So they tell my mom that it's like most likely a hemorrhoid. And after several more weeks of no relief from like this over the counter hemorrhoid cream that they kept saying, oh, it's going to take time. And I'm like, well, don't you think slowly over time it should be like getting better? So at this point my mom's like sick of hearing that my pain is like a 10 out of 10. And it doesn't help that I'm the middle child who's kind of like, like has the reputation for being the dramatic one, always looking for a little attention. Like, my mom's like, what do you mean it's a 10 out of 10? If that's serious, then we're gonna go to Boston Children's Hospital. So I'm like, okay, we do, we get the referral we go. And during the first visit in Boston, I met with this really amazing doctor who I would say this was non consensual, but definitely being a minor. My mom knew what was going down. He told me he was gonna just take a look, but instead he stuck several fingers up my asshole to determine the size of the hole he would be working with.
Dax Shepard
Okay.
Madison
So he determined that I had tore about 80% of my tissue from, like, an anal fissure and had exposed nerve endings.
Dax Shepard
No, no, no, no.
Madison
They had only seen one injury like this before, and it was someone who actually fell off the back of. Of a jet ski and, like, had, like, the water pressure, like, blown into their butthole.
Dax Shepard
Basically interviewed someone that that happened to.
Madison
Yeah, yeah. So I was like, the number two situation for one this bad.
Dax Shepard
Oh, and what did they do? Do they have to put stitches in there somehow?
Abby
Yes.
Madison
But a week later started what ended up being three surgeries to, like, have to go in and repair all this damage.
Deidre
Oh.
Madison
As a result, I had to be on a no food diet because they had to prevent me from, like, evacuating to help with the repair process. This. I literally was a zoo animal with, like, a sign on the door that said do not feed. Mine was on an ice chip only diet. It was awful.
Lily Padman
For how long?
Madison
I believe like, three weeks.
Dax Shepard
We're getting into Christmas now. Yeah.
Deidre
Oh, yeah.
Madison
We're past Christmas. We're starting second semester of high school where I don't return back for second semester. And that's kind of where this story goes.
Lily Padman
Who is this is so severe.
Dax Shepard
Did the doctor theorize on. Had the water ripped the inside of your ass or the fabric hadn't gotten up there or anything?
Madison
No, it was definitely water pressure damage. It really was not wedgie induced.
Dax Shepard
You never think that you could get that kind of pressure from a water slide. Wow. Okay.
Madison
I never returned back after Christmas break for second semester. And my sister, who is two years older than me at my same high school, returns back to school. And she was told by my parents that she was, like, sworn to secrecy, that she couldn't tell anybody what was going on to protect my privacy. So I don't remember exactly what she would tell people, but she was clearly my sister. And I don't know if it was that she told people. I don't know what's going on, or I can't tell what's going on. But, like, it was obviously sketchy, but it turned into like, she's in Boston getting help for something.
Dax Shepard
Oh.
Lily Padman
Like psychological.
Dax Shepard
Oh, Jesus. Like, you were At a rest facility a bit.
Madison
So then I finally return Back to school three weeks later, I'm down £20 from this liquid only diet and have to now deal with this rumor that the reason I've been out of school is because I was at treatment for an eating disorder.
Dax Shepard
Oh, yeah. Now it looks obvious. Yeah.
Madison
Wow.
Lily Padman
Are you like. I'd rather it be that.
Madison
That's exactly what I was gonna say. The sad part is like the fragility of this situation, that it was just easier to go along with that than for anybody to know where I really was for the past three weeks.
Lily Padman
Wow.
Dax Shepard
How's everything now? Rectally. We're good.
Madison
Great. We've done like childbirth, We've done other things. We've used it, you know, it's working.
Lily Padman
And you don't have PTSD when you're doing a number two.
Madison
I don't now, but I would say for a while it was hard to trust.
Lily Padman
Yes.
Dax Shepard
Yeah.
Madison
There was no stool softener that would make it soft enough. You know, in the beginning.
Lily Padman
Oh boy, that was a doozy.
Madison
Before we are done, I need to tell you that I am not a lifelong armchair. Okay. And a few months ago, my friend Lindsay, who's here with me right now to babysit my 2 year old while I could come into this fort for 10 minutes, she's here watching him. She a few months ago was like, I need you to listen to this podcast because I've been listening to it for the past five years in every single time I listen to it, I need you to go on there and tell the story of your asshole.
Dax Shepard
Oh, great.
Madison
In the past four months, I've listened to 80 episodes. Like I've become strongly addicted.
Deidre
Okay.
Madison
And then a week ago you post this prompt. What is the chance we call that sim.
Dax Shepard
If you listen to the shows.
Madison
I know. I became a fan just in time. She could not be be more proud that this has come full circle.
Dax Shepard
Oh. Oh, I'm so delighted. Nice meeting you.
Abby
Nice meeting you.
Deidre
Bye guys.
Dax Shepard
Take care.
Lily Padman
Wow. I'm kind of shocked in this litigious country we live in that they exist.
Ethan
Yeah.
Dax Shepard
I'm almost happy. It feels like they couldn't even exist here. But yet they do.
Lily Padman
Yet they do.
Dax Shepard
Yeah. Some of these huge places, they figure out how to navigate all the liabilities
Lily Padman
you sign away favor. I bet when you buy the ticket,
Dax Shepard
it's like if you're an tears don't come knocking, don't come running to me. That's your asshole's fault, not ours. Oh, blood.
Lily Padman
I hate when there's. Okay, I just really don't like when there's random blood.
Josh
Should we do a blood prompt?
Lily Padman
No, I'm good. Accidental blood stories.
Dax Shepard
Tell us about a time there was blood in your toilet. All right.
Josh
Love you. Do you want to sing a tune or something? We don't have a theme song.
Dax Shepard
Oh, okay, great. We don't have a theme song for this new show, so here I go, go, go. We're gonna ask some random questions, and with the help of armchairies, we'll get some suggestions on the fly rhyme dish. On the fire rhyme dish. Enjoy.
Host: Dax Shepard
Cohost: Lily Padman
Date: May 15, 2026
This “Armchair Anonymous” episode is all about waterpark stories—embarrassing incidents, physical mishaps, vulnerability, and human messiness that only an all-ages aquatic playground can deliver. Dax and Lily invite listeners to call in and share their wildest, cringiest, most traumatic or hilarious waterpark tales. The result: a uniquely raw, funny, and sometimes horrifying hour that plumbs the depths of bodily shame and aquatic disaster.
Setting: Lake Compounce Amusement Park, Connecticut
Timestamp: 02:13 – 13:34
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Setting: Jungle water gorge, Bali, Summer 2019
Timestamp: 21:36 – 33:36
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Setting: Family waterpark trip, North Carolina, 2013
Timestamp: 33:38 – 43:44
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Setting: Water Whiz Park, Cape Cod MA, 2007
Timestamp: 43:46 – 53:48
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In summary: The episode delivers everything from public humiliation to full-on bodily disaster, told with vulnerability, gusto, and plenty of laughs—a must-listen for anyone who thinks their last pool-day mishap was rough.