Jude Law

Summary

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard: Episode Featuring Jude Law

Release Date: November 11, 2024

Hosts:

• Dax Shepard
• Monica Padman

Guest:

• Jude Law – Acclaimed British actor known for roles in The Talented Mr. Ripley, Sherlock Holmes, Fantastic Beasts, and his upcoming projects The Order and Skeleton Crew.

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1. Introduction and Guest Overview (00:00 - 05:07)

Dax Shepard introduces Jude Law, emphasizing his successful acting career with notable roles and upcoming projects. He reassures listeners that despite Jude not venturing into law-related fields (a humorous nod to Jude's last name), he is far from a failure.

Notable Quote:

• Dax Shepard [00:45]: "Jude Law, though, is not a failure despite not going into jurisprudence."

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2. Jude Law’s Upcoming Projects (05:07 - 09:32)

Jude discusses his new film, The Order, slated for release on December 6th, highlighting his diverse roles and the demanding schedule with multiple projects launching concurrently. He touches upon Skeleton Crew, part of the Star Wars Universe on Disney+, and other commitments.

Notable Quote:

• Jude Law [07:33]: "It's a true story about a group of idealists led by this very eccentric doctor that I played."

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3. The Emotional Spectrum of Acting (09:32 - 16:27)

Dax and Monica delve into the emotional aspects of acting, particularly Jude’s newfound propensity to cry both on and off the set. They discuss how vulnerability and emotional honesty are integral to Jude’s performances.

Notable Quotes:

• Jude Law [05:49]: "I just cry all the time."
• Dax Shepard [10:28]: "It is so scary sweet that in this mean-ass world you still sing 'Call Me Crazy.'"

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4. Early Career and Transition to Hollywood (16:27 - 27:00)

Jude recounts his early days in acting, starting in theater influenced by his parents' involvement in local theater companies. He discusses his initial skepticism about leaving school for a soap opera role, the rigorous demands of acting in a highly intensive environment, and his first foray into professional acting with the soap opera EastEnders.

Notable Quotes:

• Jude Law [22:06]: "I auditioned, I got it. Next thing, as exactly as you point out, I'm in this machine. It's churning out, demanding."
• Dax Shepard [26:10]: "But she was probably just nagging you 'cause she liked you."

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5. Mentorship and Influential Figures (27:00 - 45:14)

Jude speaks about significant mentors in his career, notably Matt Damon and director Anthony (likely Anthony Hopkins or another prominent director). He shares insights on how these mentors helped him unlock his potential, embrace confidence, and handle the pressures of fame and acting.

Notable Quotes:

• Jude Law [43:18]: "With Ant, that was the first time I was aware that was the case."
• Dax Shepard [44:41]: "That's something I've learned."

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6. Personal Life and Family (45:14 - 62:10)

The conversation shifts to Jude’s personal life, including his relationship with his wife, a behavioral psychologist. They discuss the dynamics of balancing a high-profile career with family life, the importance of empathy, and Jude’s transformation into a more self-aware and loving individual after meeting his wife.

Notable Quotes:

• Jude Law [86:32]: "She's a very awesome person and hugely patient. She puts up with me."
• Dax Shepard [85:18]: "But the skill set that I have observed and appreciate the most is her calm in that scenario."

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7. Navigating Fame and Privacy Invasion (62:10 - 94:04)

Jude opens up about the challenges of dealing with fame, including intrusive paparazzi and a traumatic incident involving phone hacking that invaded his family's privacy. He reflects on the psychological impact of such invasions and the struggle to maintain normalcy for his children amidst the chaos of public scrutiny.

Notable Quotes:

• Jude Law [91:07]: "They paid out the thing, clothes. They put one of the guys in prison."
• Dax Shepard [94:30]: "It's just really curious because, like, you have more legal protection there."

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8. Reflections on Substance Use and Cultural Shifts (94:04 - 110:43)

The discussion turns to substance use across generations. Jude and Dax compare their experiences with alcohol, noting a decline in younger generations' alcohol consumption in the US while it remains steady or increases among older adults. They explore societal attitudes towards drinking and the personal challenges related to substance use.

Notable Quotes:

• Monica Padman [75:35]: "Your resume is insane."
• Jude Law [94:40]: "I'm trying to live by what I keep telling the kids, which is, hey, we're a team."

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9. Upcoming Projects and Collaborations (110:43 - 126:42)

Jude discusses his upcoming involvement in Skeleton Crew, a Star Wars project, and his previous collaborative work with directors like Jesper Borgmann. He highlights the creative process behind these projects, including improvisation and character development, and expresses enthusiasm for future collaborations.

Notable Quotes:

• Jude Law [94:42]: "We fell into a style that worked and built from there."
• Dax Shepard [125:52]: "Have you read Benedict Cumberbatch's thoughts on it? I did a little."

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10. Parenting and Emotional Regulation (126:42 - End)

The episode concludes with a heartfelt discussion on parenting and emotional regulation. Jude and Dax share personal anecdotes about teaching their children emotional intelligence, managing vulnerabilities, and fostering supportive family environments. They emphasize the importance of communication and understanding within the family unit.

Notable Quotes:

• Jude Law [137:08]: "We make sure to always have open conversations about how we feel."
• Dax Shepard [138:20]: "We are a team. When one of us shines, the whole team shines."

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Conclusion

The episode offers an in-depth look into Jude Law's multifaceted life—his illustrious career, personal struggles with fame and privacy, impactful mentorships, and his dedication to family and emotional well-being. Through candid conversations, listeners gain valuable insights into the complexities of being a highly successful actor balancing public life with personal growth and family responsibilities.

Final Notable Quote:

• Dax Shepard [140:37]: "How I ended up in a race against time to warn those whose lives were in danger."

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Highlighted Quotes with Timestamps:

• Dax Shepard [00:45]: "Jude Law, though, is not a failure despite not going into jurisprudence."
• Jude Law [05:49]: "I just cry all the time."
• Dax Shepard [10:28]: "It is so scary sweet that in this mean-ass world you still sing 'Call Me Crazy.'"
• Jude Law [22:06]: "I auditioned, I got it. Next thing, as exactly as you point out, I'm in this machine. It's churning out, demanding."
• Jude Law [43:18]: "With Ant, that was the first time I was aware that was the case."
• Jude Law [86:32]: "She's a very awesome person and hugely patient. She puts up with me."
• Jude Law [91:07]: "They paid out the thing, clothes. They put one of the guys in prison."
• Dax Shepard [94:30]: "It's just really curious because, like, you have more legal protection there."
• Jude Law [94:40]: "I'm trying to live by what I keep telling the kids, which is, hey, we're a team."
• Dax Shepard [140:37]: "How I ended up in a race against time to warn those whose lives were in danger."

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Overall Insights:

• Emotional Vulnerability: Jude Law embraces emotional honesty, shedding past reservations to enhance his acting and personal relationships.

• Mentorship Impact: Influential figures like Matt Damon and directors like Anthony have played pivotal roles in Jude's professional and personal development.

• Navigating Fame: Jude discusses the dark side of fame, including privacy invasions and the psychological toll it can take on individuals and families.

• Cultural Shifts in Substance Use: The conversation highlights generational differences in alcohol consumption and societal attitudes towards substance use.

• Family and Parenting: Emphasizing teamwork and open communication, Jude and Dax explore effective strategies for emotional regulation and supportive family dynamics.

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Recommendations for Non-Listeners:

This episode is a must-listen for fans of Jude Law and those interested in the intricate balance between public success and personal well-being. It offers a rare glimpse into the life of a celebrated actor, providing inspiration and understanding for navigating one's own challenges and relationships.

Transcript

[Dax Shepard]

Wondry plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad free right now. Join Wondry plus in the Wondry app or on Apple podcasts or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Ms. Monica Law.

[Monica Padman]

Hi. What's that?

[Dax Shepard]

If your name was Monica Law and you were like a. You were like a DA and town, I would have.

[Monica Padman]

If that was my last name, I would have no choice but to go into either law enforcement or prosecution. Yes. Or Supreme Court.

[Dax Shepard]

Or Supreme Court or physics. There's a lot of laws.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, sure, sure.

[Dax Shepard]

Jude Law, though, is not a failure despite not going into jurisprudence. I just want to make that very clear. He is a Tony and Academy Award nominated actor, the talented Mr. Ripley, the holiday Sherlock Holmes, Fantastic Beasts, Cold Mountain, and a movie that he is truly, from the bottom of my heart, spectacular. In Chameleon. This happens once in a while. It certainly happened with Vice. Do you remember Cheney? And you're like, you're trying to find.

[Monica Padman]

Yes, Christian.

[Dax Shepard]

Christian Bale in there. And you're like, is that, is he in there? Jude pulls that off in this. He's, he's. It's such a kind of departure from what we've seen and it's really a great movie. It's called the Order and it is out December 6th. Okay, so that's a good bit of lead time. Put that in your calendar now. Also, he has a new series coming out on 12 3. He has a very busy December. He has Skeleton Crew, is in the Star War Universe on Disney plus.

[Monica Padman]

Busy bee.

[Dax Shepard]

A lot of blessings he's giving us. Please enjoy Jude Law. We are supported by Audible. We know you love audio content. Thanks for listening to the show. But if your ears are craving more audio, Audible is the place to go. I probably, in truth, spend more time on Audible than any other place, any other app. Yeah, I'm listening every night for an hour before bed. There's more to imagine when you listen. Whether you're searching for the latest bestsellers and new releases or you want to catch up on a classic title, you can find it all in the Audible app. And as an Audible member, you choose one title a month to keep from their entire catalog.

[Monica Padman]

What are you listening to now?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I'm just finishing the Worlds I See by Fay. Fay Lee. It's so good and moving and I love it so much. I'm. I'm sad it's ending. Now listen. New members can try Audible for free for 30 days visit audible.comdax or text DAX to 500. 500, that's audible.comdax or text Dax to 500. 500. We are supported by Audible. I love Audible. I've been listening to so much Audible lately because I've been taking these naps a lot. I always like to listen to Audible to go to sleep. Now, look, it's a special feeling when you encounter a story that truly sparks your imagination. Whether it's imagining new worlds and possibilities or discovering new ways of thinking, there's more to imagine when you listen. That's why we love listening to the amazing titles they have on Audible. Right now I'm listening to WIM hof.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. And you are really into it. You were explaining a lot of the pieces to me.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And I lost you a little bit.

[Monica Padman]

I'm listening to Intermezzo by Sally Rooney.

[Dax Shepard]

Is it great?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, it's great.

[Dax Shepard]

Audible truly has the best selection of audiobooks, without exception. From bestsellers to new releases to exclusive Audible originals, there's always something to discover. As an Audible member, you choose one title a month to keep from their entire catalog. New members can try audible free for 30 days. Visit audible.comdax or text dax to 500. 500 that's audible.comdax or text Dax to 500. 500. He's an object.

[Jude Law]

He's an object. I'm a little fatigued and a little frazzly. Kind of jet laggy. Slightly over emotional. Oh, God.

[Dax Shepard]

That's what we.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, we love. That's great for us.

[Jude Law]

Over emotional. You got me right at the.

[Dax Shepard]

Over emotional is a perfect.

[Monica Padman]

That's our sweet spot.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jude Law]

If I start crying.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, let's hope. Fingers. Fingers crossed.

[Jude Law]

Have you had. Have you had any tears?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, God, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Plenty.

[Dax Shepard]

I've cried in here several times.

[Monica Padman]

But our guests too, we got a lot.

[Jude Law]

I've never heard anyone cry on it. I feel like I've missed out.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, we'll give you some Anna Kendrick.

[Dax Shepard]

Give you a hit list.

[Monica Padman]

Number one.

[Jude Law]

I just read an interview with her in an English paper and she cried twice in the article.

[Dax Shepard]

Ah. Well, she's very. Emotionally. It's there on the surface.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Are you jealous of that? Because I did not allow myself to cry for about 30 years. And then I think with having kids and a friend went to the hospital and it started.

[Jude Law]

Just comes.

[Dax Shepard]

But I'm like, yes, give it all to me. I really would love a full. I haven't had that yet. Yeah. Like ugly Fay. Embarrassed. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I thought you had watched one of.

[Dax Shepard]

Those female docs, the Sinead O'Connor one, I was just like pouring tears. And then I do this thing again because I beat it out of myself. When I start, I go. I start laughing uncontrollably. So it was a mix of laughing and crying. What's your history with crying?

[Jude Law]

Good question. So there was definitely a time. And it's funny, isn't it, how it's related sometimes to being an actor. You want to be able to cry as an actor. And then the first time, if you're a kid and you're being asked to do it, it's kind of nerve wracking. And then you squeeze out a couple and you're really pleased as a person. No, I was always emotional, but not a weeper. I am now. I just cry all the time.

[Dax Shepard]

What are you.

[Jude Law]

It's great pleasure when I'm happy. When I get just moved. Music, film, my kids. Of course. I can genuinely now really empathize with characters I play and I can just tune in and it can just poor out, really. I'm on the brink of being a bit gushy.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Jude Law]

I need to rein it in a touch.

[Dax Shepard]

In life or in performing?

[Jude Law]

Both. And I worry that that maybe is also to do with. I just feel like I've been tired for two years.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I was looking at your slate of things we're here to talk about. I don't know how you made them, but there's no way we can even get through all the shit that's coming out. I mean, there's three big, big, big projects all landing around the same time.

[Jude Law]

A couple of them were very small when I made them. They had big ambition and they're being received in such a generous way that now like, oh, it's going to be a busy year.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. But the smaller ones, that can be more draining.

[Jude Law]

Yes. Well, less time, less money because they're small. They're usually high content of cerebral demand.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. In the morning you're crying. In the evening you're kicking someone's ass and then you're making love at lunch.

[Jude Law]

Like, fuck.

[Dax Shepard]

I've done everything a human can do.

[Jude Law]

That's right.

[Dax Shepard]

In 10 hours. And we have 22 days. And if we get bad weather, we're so. You have the anxiety of it all.

[Jude Law]

I just did a film with Ron Howard. We had a very tight budget and tight schedule. And he said the funniest thing. He said his plan B was shoot faster. That was all. It was like there was no cover. Just go, go, go.

[Monica Padman]

And that's Ron Howard.

[Jude Law]

That was Ron.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, that movie. Fuck it, we're right here. That is also a very un Ron Howard movie.

[Jude Law]

Yes, it is. It's Ron in that well deserved chapter of his life, doing exactly what he wants to do. It's a project he was curious about for, I think, nearly 15 years. And it was a tricky one to get made.

[Dax Shepard]

And it's like a modern Lord of the Flies. Ish.

[Jude Law]

It's set in the 30s, actually. It's a true story about a group of idealists led by this very eccentric doctor that I played. This guy saw the rise of fascism coming and wanted to get away. He was an obsessed Nietzsche fan, and so he bought a little piece of land on the Galapagos and moved there and lived literally like Adam and Eve for three years with his girlfriend. Made everything by hand, caught rainwater to drink by, grew crops, meditated. And then he wrote these articles about his life, sent them back and they got published. And he became, unbeknownst to him, kind of a bit of a celebrity. And suddenly all these acolytes turned up because the last thing he wanted was anyone to be there. So suddenly his family arrived and then this bizarre woman arrived who claimed to be a baroness who wanted to take over the island. They ended up killing each other.

[Dax Shepard]

So it's real. Yeah, that story's true.

[Jude Law]

All the characters are real?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Jude Law]

And this is how extreme the personalities are. Ritter, who I play, extracted all his own teeth before he left because he didn't want any dental issues and wore metal dentures to eat with. So I have these metal teeth. And he was a nudist, so he's sort of strolling around butt naked most of the time.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, with bionic teeth.

[Jude Law]

Right? With bionic teeth.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God.

[Jude Law]

I mean, the characters in it are larger than life and highly unlikable for most of it I found thrilling.

[Dax Shepard]

It looks awesome, but it also doesn't look like any previous Ron Howard movie at all. But it looks fantastic. People are loving that one, right?

[Jude Law]

We debuted at tiff. I think it's divisive. I think it's a challenging piece. I think it's not a spoon feeder. The characters are unusual. What they do to each other is pretty dark, but there's a really pure message in it. There are these three camps in the end. One is very much led by the head, one by the balls, and one by the heart. And it's very much about where and what we need to do to survive today. That's really what's at the heart of it. What do we need to listen to in ourselves to survive this crazy world?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Okay, now back to your crying. Do you have a couple? I'll just start. So I have two that are going to guarantee set me off. One is when people are incredibly earnest in the face of how hard it is to be earnest. The Olympians were flying to the Olympics. Some team. And they decided to reenact the video for Call Me Crazy but here's my number, so call Me baby. And they had choreographed it on the plane. And the camera's moving, everyone jumps out of their seat and they're singing.

[Monica Padman]

It's just a group dance.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, group dancing. Group dancing. This wedding proposal that was very much like that. I'm like, you know, there's so many assholes in the world that want to fucking beat you down for expressing that exact kind of thing. And when I see people be brave enough to just do it anyways, I can start crying. I'm like, that is so scary sweet that in this mean ass world you still sing Call Me Crazy.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. Yeah. And there's an unapologetic joy and innocence actually. It's people just going, I'm having fun. Not the sort of cynical. Oh yeah, but am I cool? I get that. Absolutely.

[Dax Shepard]

A how well do you understand American schools and how much were the English schools like my junior high? You just got fucking beat down. If you showed any earnestness or you declared you liked something.

[Jude Law]

Oh, same in the uk.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Jude Law]

I thought that was a very British thing. Enthusiasm. No way.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Jude Law]

I mean to be passionate and kind of get it all over excited and people would then be looking at you going, calm down.

[Dax Shepard]

You were emasculated by liking something.

[Jude Law]

That's right. That's very familiar to my experience of growing up actually. Because I am an enthusiast. I've realized, and unapologetically so, the older I get, I love allowing my enthusiasm to burst forth and sharing it. And I love seeing it in my kids. You know, I love it when they get overexcited about stuff. But it is interesting looking back over childhood.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you have any daughters that are consuming Taylor Swift in front of you?

[Jude Law]

Actually I do. She said to me just the other day she was number one.

[Dax Shepard]

I urge you to watch the eras.

[Jude Law]

Movie with her and experience it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I took my 11 year old to the theater to watch it and about six minutes in I stopped watching the movie and just stared at her in profile and wept the whole time.

[Jude Law]

What is that zeitgeist that she's Plugged into. It's very interesting, isn't it? Because I think I'm right in saying it's not planned. She's not manipulated it.

[Dax Shepard]

It's very authentic and real.

[Monica Padman]

She's just so relatable to all eras of women and ages of women. As you said, it's not manufactured. No, but she is a brilliant business person.

[Jude Law]

They can coexist. Absolutely. Authenticity and then just being able to see it as a business and monetize it.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Pulp Fiction was still a hit.

[Jude Law]

Totally.

[Monica Padman]

And it's still a genius. And it's pure. It's just. She knows. Oh, this is how I connect. And she likes to. She talks to people. She holds these singing events for big fans. Like she really is connected and people feel very seen.

[Dax Shepard]

I have seen the movie with my daughter and I went and saw her live. And so my conclusion, I think there's three things. One is she isn't Beyonce. Beyonce is this creature that fell out of the sky and she looks like that and she dances like that. And most people can't ever imagine themselves being that. So there's this kind of wow. So how did she get there? Well, she got there through her gumption and hard work and her skills as a writer and her dedic. I could do that. I could be a star. That's, I think, a big part of the appeal. And then she might be the only true matriarchy that we can observe, that a little girl can observe, which is it's her world. She's got the biggest tour in the world, she makes the rules. That's a woman in total charge of everything. She's like her own one woman matriarchy. And I think that's really powerful.

[Monica Padman]

Using it either.

[Jude Law]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Yet.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, we're just in the foothills.

[Monica Padman]

That's true.

[Dax Shepard]

There'll be a hot pool boy as well, you reckon?

[Jude Law]

It's linked also to something you just mentioned, which is the Olympic team performing in an unabashed way. There's also something uncool, weirdly, because of course she's ultimately cool. But there's also something uncool about her.

[Dax Shepard]

I couldn't agree more.

[Jude Law]

Which makes her incredibly cool. It's like, I'm having fun and I'm doing what I want to do. It's not considered to the element of like, is this going to be seen as being overly considered?

[Dax Shepard]

I think it's just very different than the other pop stars they were given, which are largely. You either hit the genetic lottery or you didn't. I think that's very special.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

What thing are your kids into that you've joined them in and kind of got wrapped up in? Because for me, it's this swift thing. Like I went, I get it. I'm in.

[Jude Law]

Well, my two little ones. Bluey.

[Dax Shepard]

Bluey. I'm hearing that.

[Jude Law]

I weep at Bluey. I love Bluey.

[Dax Shepard]

You do? Tell me what happens in Bluey. That came right after my kids left that space. 9 and 11.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. So at an age where suddenly actually that is for little ones and they're not quite old enough to realize actually they can indulge themselves like a 50 year old guy.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. But you're the second adult I've heard say they love Bluey.

[Jude Law]

Bluey is at its heart, it's about families playing together and enjoying each other's company and making time for each other and coming up with crazy make believe games. And then there's occasionally little morals at the end of it. The kids teach the parents something or the parents teach the kids something or some kind of equation within that. It's got really good humor and great heart and it's made in Australia and it's about an Aussie family of dogs. And it's got this beautiful Aussie grounded earthiness and humanity. And they embrace the dad Bandit wonderfully.

[Dax Shepard]

Bandit.

[Jude Law]

He's not an idiot. You know, it's interesting if you look at quite a few of those kids shows, even Simpsons early on, there's a trope and pepper, the dad's a bit of an idiot.

[Dax Shepard]

He's a dumb dad. Oh, dad.

[Jude Law]

And in this one, Bandit, they laugh and he is kind of smelly old dad, which you know, is familiar to me. But he's right in the middle of the play and right in the middle of kind of being a bit of a hero too. It's just got beautiful heart. They know the parents are watching and they know that parents need to be entertained too, because kids are going to want to watch this every day if they're allowed.

[Dax Shepard]

Those are such blessings when you can enjoy it.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. So Bluey wrapped us up pretty tight as a little troop.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm going to give it a viewing. I want to see.

[Jude Law]

It's well worth it. It is well worth it.

[Monica Padman]

I bet I'll cry if I walk in and you're like, just on your own.

[Dax Shepard]

Nine of Bluey.

[Jude Law]

That's me. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

So if England is like the US in smacking down earnestness, you start acting at 14, kind of. Because people ask me like, did you know? I'm like, I stayed so far away from that drama department I didn't want to get beat up by six guys.

[Jude Law]

I was doing it out of school. It was more to do with my family. So my parents were teachers but they were keen members of a local theater company. They were putting on plays and my house was always full of people kind of rehearsing. And then I got involved as a kid and my sister got involved as a kid and it was just something we did. So to me it was this language that just felt very familiar and safe and fun. And I loved watching adults goofing around and you were aware, like, oh, adults play as well. They can be silly. And it made them really human and magical in a weird way because it felt like play. I said magical, I suppose in that sort of Peter Pan type way that it just felt like, oh, you don't have to necessarily grow up with earnestness or with some kind of sobriety. It could be goofy. But I left school at 17.2Acts. So at school school I kept to myself. I was usually hiding under the stairs so I didn't get beat up.

[Dax Shepard]

For real?

[Jude Law]

Oh yeah, for real. That' where I have my lunch.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, hold on a second. Were you. We've had this in the past.

[Monica Padman]

You've had one or two of you.

[Jude Law]

The way you said that was like, it's okay, you're safe here.

[Dax Shepard]

I feel like the appetizer just arrived and it smells delicious. We've had some heart throbs on that. Didn't necessarily identify with that when they were younger and that's a very fascinating thing.

[Jude Law]

I get it. I look back now, I was very pretty. I was called Jude. I wanted to be an actor and I was also pretty cocky. I fancied myself a bit.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Jude Law]

But you can't fight the whole school. So after a while you realize it's probably better to stay out of the way. Especially when you're like 14 and the 18 year olds kind of.

[Dax Shepard]

That's the problem.

[Jude Law]

They want you to shut the up.

[Dax Shepard]

Also, when I was young and older girls like me, those older boys wanted to kill me.

[Jude Law]

Older girls fancying this weird little kid, they don't get that.

[Dax Shepard]

What's funny is what they like about you is that you're kind of artsy. So the solution to the other boys their age is like, I'm going to beat the out of them. Show the opposite quality that she just told me she likes.

[Jude Law]

That's right.

[Dax Shepard]

I just squashed. Get him out of here.

[Jude Law]

My manhood under the stairs. It's taken me a while to remember that. And I was talking about it, I think to one of my kids and suddenly I remember sitting under the stairs and I had my friends with me. I had a couple of buddies who would come sit with me under the stairs, but it was just a lot easier. There's a funny thing about that relationship with the opposite sex at that age because it's so uncharted. You don't really know what you're getting into. All the stimulation that you're getting is firing, but you don't necessarily know what it's leading. Yeah, I'm talking pre sex, obviously that moment where you're getting something back. So that's good. What you're talking about is bringing something out of you. You can't even at that age necessarily say, I'm good at this or this is what I'm gonna be or this is why people like, you know what I mean? It's all just happening. You're suddenly alive.

[Dax Shepard]

I found that girls were such a refuge from the boy Ness. I'm with dudes all the time and I'm jumping my bicycle and I have to fight this other kid. And then I talk to these girls and I could just be this whole other side of myself.

[Jude Law]

And I love that side of myself. I have a fantastic big sister who was so generous with me.

[Dax Shepard]

Natasha.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, she's a painter and she's just an awesome human being. But I look back now, I can't believe how generous she was with me. You know, she'd take me out with her girlfriends, take me to their parties and that was a taste of what you're talking about. And a really influential mother too who was loving. But you're so right. And really looking back and discussing it like this, so sad that there are these poor guys who had no idea that that's side of themselves existed or weren't allowed to show it or had any interest perhaps in investigating it. Just wanted to be the girl. Because I like that too. I was good at sport, I didn't mind a fight. I like getting my head bust falling off things. But I love this other side too. And that to me made me good and whole.

[Dax Shepard]

You were cute. You had an older sister. That's the biggest hack any boy can have is to have an older sister. Every boy I knew with an older sister did just fine.

[Jude Law]

Interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

But think of all these boys that weren't confident or they weren't good looking. It wasn't even an option for them.

[Monica Padman]

They go home and their dad is like, don't do that.

[Jude Law]

One male to the next just passes it on, that's right. Don't show that you're weak.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, don't let anyone see that.

[Jude Law]

Don't let anyone see that.

[Monica Padman]

Put that doll away. And then, yeah, it just continues on and on until someone breaks that cycle.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, breaking the cycle. That's a big part of my family because my parents were both adopted.

[Dax Shepard]

Both.

[Jude Law]

Both were adopted. My dad actually, literally, it's like something out of Charles Dickens, his childhood. And he had every excuse to be a total nightmare of a father because it was in his background. His was one of being left behind, of being abandoned and sort of having nothing. He just turned out to be the most incredible dad. Completely loved the family, devoted to it. To the point actually where it was.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, let me go.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, yeah, let me go. My mum too. I bring up my parents a lot because I get really pissed off when people say, oh well, this is what happened to their parents. It's a psych. I'm like, you know what? That's a fucking excuse. You can always better yourself. You can always replace something or don't have to repeat something. I looked at him, he had it so tough. He had nothing and he totally turned it around.

[Dax Shepard]

But it also makes sense if he didn't have that built in family that he would have cherished the one he built and not taken for granted because he didn't have it. And he was the youngest schoolmaster in London.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, something like that at the time. Now, head teachers in the UK are very different to principals. They are still very much part of the teaching team and part of the ethos of the education environment and create more of the atmosphere of the school. And you. He was very hands on teacher and that was in the 70s. He worked in an inner city school in an area of London where there was big black community. And he would just be like, who wants to go camping this weekend? And kids would just meet. He'd take me to and we'd just drive out of the city and go camping. Eight kids, 10 kids. That can't happen nowadays. Nowadays it's like you need all the documentation.

[Dax Shepard]

I hate to say it, I'm not letting my male teacher take.

[Jude Law]

No, no, sure.

[Dax Shepard]

Your dad was a good guy.

[Jude Law]

He did it with my mom. I mean, they went as a couple.

[Dax Shepard]

If they were both teachers, how did they feel about you dropping out of school?

[Jude Law]

Well, they were passionate about theater and passionate about performance, so they knew that I was. And when the opportunity arose, the one conversation I remember us having was, look, if this doesn't work, will you go back? And I Was like, of course.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you leave for the soap opera?

[Jude Law]

Yeah. You've done your homework.

[Dax Shepard]

Listen to me. One of my favorite things to talk to actors about is actors who have been on soap operas. Because at least in America they shoot like 100 pages a day.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

It seems like the most insane experience.

[Jude Law]

If you think about it. What a great place to learn. Fuck, yes. I had done a bit of theater. I wanted to act. Someone saw something in me, asked me to audition for this thing. I auditioned, I got it. Next thing, as exactly as you point out, I'm in this machine. It's churning out, demanding. I know what the hell is going on. I don't know what a mark is. Find your light. What are you talking about? And learn the lines and deliver.

[Dax Shepard]

Do they have the same crazy schedule in England as they have here?

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And do they pay you okay? Were you like 17, going like, I'm fucking rich.

[Jude Law]

We didn't have a lot, you know, we were never wanting as kids, but we didn't like, you know, have money coming in. Teacher, parents. I couldn't believe it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. What were you doing with all that green? Blowing it. Clothes or do you buy a cool car?

[Jude Law]

No, I didn't drive for a while. A lot of records, clothes. Just going out.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah. Bringing friends with friends. Probably never got better.

[Jude Law]

Oh, my goodness. I was 17, living in Manchester in 1988. The hacienda was down the road. There was the rise of.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah.

[Jude Law]

And you could drink and Happy Mondays. And it was a lot of fun.

[Monica Padman]

Suck it under the stairwell.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

You came very far even then. You could have ended your career then and it would just.

[Jude Law]

I ran from the stairwell.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So you were in Manchester making that. So you had your own flat, I presume.

[Jude Law]

I did. I mean, can you imagine? And that they were paying for, you know, they paid my rent.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my Lord.

[Jude Law]

Amazing. This is fun to talk about this. What's nice is with enough time pass, you look back and go, dang.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And you wanna run from it, Right? I came out on a show called Punk'd, which was a reality show. And I didn't want anyone to bring that up for like 10 years.

[Jude Law]

Isn't it funny? Cause it sits too close. It's like looking at photos of yourself when you were a kid and you've only just turned like 15. You kinda go, I'm an adult now. I don't look like that anymore.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm a big boy now.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, it was a very formative time. And I love that you bring up the actual Technical demands. They're a big part of what you're learning from. I went from that back to theater. I learned so much from that job.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you probably shot our. Yes, it is.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Looks like beer, but it is water. Yeah, it sure does.

[Dax Shepard]

We can get one of those for you too, if you want. Really get you crying. Yeah. Nine or ten of them in you.

[Jude Law]

I'm cheering up now.

[Monica Padman]

All right.

[Jude Law]

I'm going to cry, I'm afraid. Just cheering me up.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, man, Dax.

[Dax Shepard]

But if you added it up in two years, you probably did more content than you did for the next eight years doing features.

[Jude Law]

It's true. I did it for a good few years.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you probably did several hundred hours.

[Jude Law]

Oh my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Of acting.

[Monica Padman]

And how was your ego then? Were you.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you insufferable?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, I think most people would have been at that age.

[Dax Shepard]

17, with your own apartment, going to the pub and you're fucking buying rounds.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, that's a really good question. And I'll be absolutely honest, when I've not kind of thought about oddly. Actually, I think I would be right in saying that my ego was probably a little more out of control before I got that job. And I was a member of like the youth theater company. When I got into the theater and doing all this stuff as a kid, I felt so confident that I'd found my place and sort of fitt. And it was so different to that experience of school that suddenly I was like, I could fly. I knew I was pretty good at it. Yeah, I knew I was good and there I was getting good parts and I was getting good response. But I wasn't in the professional domain once I stepped into that and there were adults suddenly in this show and there were people who had huge experience. I was always quick to sit back and be very happy to learn and watch. Having said that, I have a very clear memory of one of the women in it who was slightly older than me just by a few years. But I remember telling me to cool my boots.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, really?

[Monica Padman]

Oh, wow.

[Dax Shepard]

But she was probably just nagging you cuz she liked you.

[Monica Padman]

Probably.

[Dax Shepard]

That's my guess.

[Jude Law]

In retrospect, I think she was probably wrong.

[Monica Padman]

What if it was like Kate Blanchett?

[Jude Law]

Sorry?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you basically just described you were like a star college athlete and then you got to the NBA and you're like, I need to recalculate just a bit. I'm going to have to learn a bit.

[Jude Law]

It's interesting too, isn't it? When you're a kid in an adult world. But you're being paid, so you're being treated like an adult, as you should be. I gotta really step up here, behave like an adult, fit in like an adult. Watch and learn.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. They're not taking it easy on anyone.

[Jude Law]

Not with that kind of.

[Dax Shepard]

They don't have time. No. No. Even if they wanted to.

[Jude Law]

I remember being late once. I think it's like the only time I've ever been late because I could just tell it was not done. And that's never happened again.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. So you leave that and then you get yourself in a play that ends up in the West End and then ultimately Broadway with a different title and a little bit of reworking. Yeah, you have a couple kind of breakthroughs and that play, certainly. Yeah. You win a Laurence Olivier Award at.

[Jude Law]

Some point or something like that.

[Dax Shepard]

Newcomer Award.

[Jude Law]

Newcomer Award. That was a game changer. I'd done a bunch of theater leading up to that in these wonderful, what we call off West End, like Off Broadway theater houses around London. Most of them tended to be above pubs, but very famous theaters at the Gate, the Royal Court, Upstairs and several others. That was a place I really learned my chops. I mean, that was doing proper theater with fantastic directors and actors around me and the discipline of theater, which is so much an actors medium, learning how to turn up every night and deliver it and really feel the room. And that led to Les Parent Terrible, which I did at the National Theatre.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And then it became Indiscretion. Indiscretion.

[Jude Law]

They thought that the Broadway audience wouldn't understand Les Parent Terrible. So they called it Indiscriminate Stupid American.

[Dax Shepard]

They might have been right. Because when I read the title of it this morning, I was like, I don't know what the that is, but I know.

[Jude Law]

I said, they should have just called it the Terrible Parents.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, there we go. I could have got on board with that. But then you go and you do it on Broadway. And there's some great people in that cast, right?

[Jude Law]

Yeah. They recast and asked me to join the cast.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you the only person who went over?

[Jude Law]

Yeah. That was a little awkward. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you feel like survivors guilt from that?

[Jude Law]

Only in front of the ones I was leaving behind. No.

[Dax Shepard]

Then when you met these other folks, you're like, thank God they were.

[Jude Law]

It was an amazing experience, actually doing it again because, you know, a piece and it's sort of in your system, and then you get to re rehearse it, but rediscover it with a whole new group of people.

[Dax Shepard]

I have never noticed this about you in the past, but now that we're sitting face to face, you have the exact same eyes as Joaquin.

[Jude Law]

Really?

[Dax Shepard]

Anyone ever told you that?

[Jude Law]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Fuck, it's driving me wild. That's crazy fun.

[Jude Law]

That's interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it's exciting.

[Jude Law]

I don't really know Joaquin. I've met him a coup couple of times years ago. I don't really know him know him.

[Monica Padman]

I'm surprised you guys haven't worked together.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, that would be.

[Dax Shepard]

There's not a flame retardant enough lens to capture them both in a two shot without the thing exploding. That's why.

[Monica Padman]

Although he's been in a movie with my boyfriend.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, we're gonna get to that. His big breakthrough. Her boyfriend's Matt Damon.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, you'll have to check out the bathroom. Don't tell Lucy.

[Dax Shepard]

Don't tell Lucy.

[Jude Law]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

There's a big standy of Matt in.

[Dax Shepard]

The bathroom kissing Monica on the floor. Ah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Pretty good.

[Jude Law]

Pretty good standy.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh yeah. Should we bring it up?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, let's pull him out for this interview. He won't mind.

[Dax Shepard]

Let's get him on the scene. You're gonna like this. I've known Monica for a long time and I've never ever seen this look on her face.

[Monica Padman]

Look at that.

[Jude Law]

And that's just fantastic.

[Monica Padman]

I gotta tell you, best moment of my life.

[Jude Law]

He looks comfortable and he looks very happy.

[Monica Padman]

I like to think so. You know what's weird? I'm wearing this skirt in that you can't see it, but I think that's the last time I wore this skirt.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, wow. Well, good for you.

[Jude Law]

So this is your lucky skirt.

[Dax Shepard]

I guess so. Oh my God. I'm expecting a shot with you and Jude that can arrival that maybe we'll.

[Monica Padman]

Get a second talented Mr. Ripley skirt.

[Dax Shepard]

It makes me proud of you because you buy a lot of clothes and I worry you're not wearing the ones you've already bought. And this demonstrates that you.

[Monica Padman]

That's a fair one.

[Dax Shepard]

Once every five years do that?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, sure.

[Jude Law]

When did it start? What was the performance and why?

[Dax Shepard]

You know. You know.

[Jude Law]

Oh, I wish I. It was. What? Good wheel hunting?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Yes. And I watched it fair dudes so many times. Vhs. I just watch it and rewound it and watch it and rewound it and I could like watch it in my head. I had seen it so much in school.

[Dax Shepard]

She would be in class and just watch the movie from beginning.

[Monica Padman]

Kind of like just glaze over and.

[Jude Law]

Just watch it on the inside.

[Monica Padman]

On the inside of my Eyelids.

[Jude Law]

There's a connection between that character and a little bit of what we're talking about or have been, isn't there? The guy breaking the mold. The guy who could end up on one path and actually needs to rewire and he makes his own path.

[Monica Padman]

Totally.

[Dax Shepard]

So my conclusion, I have a theory on everything. Everything. As you'll learn, that was one of my favorite movies as well. It was my girlfriend of nine years and I's first date was going to see that movie. So it was also special for that reason. But I left and I was like, why is that movie so powerful? I think it's because we all think we're special and we're just waiting for someone to notice. And he was just so special and no one would notice and he's a janitor. And then finally, and I think there was some wish fulfillment in that movie that was really sweet, which is like, I'm special too. This could happen to me. In some version.

[Monica Padman]

I'm a genius too.

[Dax Shepard]

And even if it's not intellectual, it's just I'm worried worthy of someone finally acknowledging I'm special.

[Monica Padman]

We all want that.

[Jude Law]

We do.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Jude Law]

That's huge.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Jude Law]

I realize there's a bit of a connection there to my father's story, actually. I wonder whether he's seen that recently. He was given a chance to sort of walk away from a life that would have taken him on a completely different path. He got that opportunity and he took it. Yeah. It runs deep, that film. And they wrote it.

[Monica Padman]

That's the part that's like, oh, I.

[Jude Law]

Bet that was the clinch when you saw it and you loved him. Not only was this kind of movie star performance, the guy wrote it. Which means he's really bright.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

And he went to Harvard.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. And he's so funny and hot.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

He's so strong, too. Did you see School Ties? No. Is that the one he was in.

[Monica Padman]

Right before he was in School ties with talented Mr. Ripley? I know we're not there yet.

[Dax Shepard]

We're really close.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

This play he does where he gets nominated for a Tony. I can land the plane on that. And that opens up the door to talented Mr. Ripley. Proceed.

[Monica Padman]

Well, I was just going to say, because I was so in love with him, that movie was tough for me. He's so good in it, but he's so. Disturbing. Yeah.

[Jude Law]

Creepy.

[Monica Padman]

And that's not who I needed him to be.

[Dax Shepard]

And he's gay, so he's not looking for you.

[Monica Padman]

That wasn't really the issue. It was more the real creepiness factor. And you were so good in it that I'm like, who do I. What's going on now?

[Dax Shepard]

I kind of like my boyfriend's boyfriend.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, yeah. It was too confusing. I think it was a lot for.

[Jude Law]

Little old me, but he played it with such a charming innocence. It was so interesting seeing the Andrew Scott version because it's like Shakespeare. Good material can be interpreted in any way and they were just not related. I mean, it was so interesting. And Andrew found this sort of sinister psychopathy.

[Dax Shepard]

Was that the new one?

[Jude Law]

Yeah, the one on screen, which was great.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And you're right, completely opposite.

[Jude Law]

Matt almost played it like, oh, please don't make me kill you. Oh, I'm so sorry. He apolog. I was smiling while he's doing it, like, oh, I'm in this jam again. And I guess I was just gonna have to kill you. It was kind of loose and creepy.

[Dax Shepard]

Even darker. We were darker. It actually made it more believable. You would have been sucked into his whole thing from the get go. So does that opportunity come directly off the heels of that play? I know you were in Gattaca.

[Jude Law]

Gattaca was a big turning point. I was really only doing theater and film just wasn't on my radar. I didn't really know how one got into film and I loved theater and I was happy in theater. So it didn't feel like it was something I was seeking out. But a couple of little films came my way in the UK that led to Gattaca, which took me to Hollywood for the first time. Coming, living here and making a film and rehearsing of shooting at the studios.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you get on with Ethan?

[Jude Law]

Oh, so well. I mean, Ethan was another great teacher in a way. Generous and a great leader and enthusiastic and smart.

[Dax Shepard]

Talk about a guy who is chasing everything and critics be damned. I like poetry, I like music.

[Jude Law]

Written two books and just a great inspiration to be around for me at that early formative time. And then I did a few of these little movies.

[Dax Shepard]

You also had Night of the.

[Jude Law]

Oh, yeah. Clint Eastwood. Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

She became weirdly.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, it did.

[Dax Shepard]

It did. I know you're playing a gay lover of Kevin Spacey who he murders. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of weird.

[Jude Law]

Moving on. Next project, Ripley came about.

[Monica Padman]

Chugging along.

[Jude Law]

There's no way of moving on from that subtly.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, it's as crazy as you having been in a movie with Bill Cosby and It was about him drugging you. I mean, that's how bonkers that is. But we'll move on.

[Monica Padman]

That would be a question for Kevin Spacey. Acting in a film where you're also doing it, see, secretly. Whoa.

[Dax Shepard]

Let's be clear. He hasn't killed anyone, though.

[Monica Padman]

That we know of. Allegedly.

[Dax Shepard]

Allegedly, yes, allegedly. He hasn't killed anyone. You don't hear that often. No. You don't murdered anyone.

[Jude Law]

Is that legally.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Jude Law]

Freeing.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. You just say allegedly.

[Jude Law]

Say allegedly to anything.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Before and after any sentence. You're fine.

[Dax Shepard]

Remember you said you liked my house? And the next time you see me, I don't have it anymore. That'll answer that question. Well, someone made that decision for me. And I guess, in a way, I made it for myself. Anyways. Okay, so how do you meet Mengele?

[Jude Law]

I'm making a film that is being produced by his wife. This is at the point in my career life when I'm in my early 20s. I'm just happy to be asked to work. You're gonna pay me to. Great. I'll turn up. He was from Hong Kong. It was this weird film. Kind of a vampire film, really. But they never kind of named him as a vampire. But he was sort of addicted to women's blood. And you couldn't work out whether he was just a psychopath. Anyway, doing this oddball film. And Anthony's watching the rushes over Carolyn's shoulders, and he's casting Ripley and just reaches out and says, I think you'd be great for this role.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow.

[Jude Law]

And that's how it started. And foolishly, at the time, I'm thinking, I just want to be taken seriously as an actor. I've got so much to prove. I had this foolish agent at the time who said, look, this is just a kind of pretty boy role. Are you sure you want to go there? It'll be a big introduction to Hollywood, but you'll just be the kind of golden boy. And for a moment, I thought maybe not. Maybe I shouldn't.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you tell him to his face? I don't think I can do this, Anthony.

[Jude Law]

I don't remember. I just remember there being a moment where he came and saw me and we. Over a period of days, because I was filming still. He would come and hang out and we would talk about it. He was pulling together this incredible cast, all of whom I knew, but they weren't household names. Cate Blanchette, had she done Elizabeth. We were all just on the cusp. Philip Seymour Hoffman. He hadn't even done Boogie Nights.

[Dax Shepard]

He had probably done Happiness and twice.

[Jude Law]

And hard eight.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah.

[Jude Law]

Was hard eight.

[Dax Shepard]

P.T.

[Jude Law]

Anderson'S first film or early film. And Gwyneth had just done Shakespeare in Love.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Jude Law]

He was pulling together this incredible group.

[Dax Shepard]

When you list those people in that junction, it's almost like the Outsiders. It's like every one of you ended.

[Monica Padman]

Up doing huge stuff.

[Jude Law]

Interesting, huh?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So of that cast, Matt was the big star.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

It already sounds that you're this way. I know you do it with directors. I read enough about you. You really do avail to instruction.

[Jude Law]

What I've realized more and more is I'm just a very keen student. I love learning and I hope improving at what I do. And to me, film is a director's medium, and I'm in their film. So what do you want from me and how do you want to get there? I have a process, but I do a lot of that on my own. I don't then impose that on what you want from me. And to me, each experience is an opportunity to say, okay, how do we do this? How do you do this? But Matt was absolutely the lead of that movie. And if anything, the challenge for me that I rem going through with Ant was to find the confidence to be that confident guy and have that swagger.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you gotta be the dude that the movie star Matt Damon's in love with and wants to be.

[Jude Law]

That's right. Anthony kept saying, I want you to glow. I want you to shine. And so finding that kind of sense of confidence, security, was a challenge. Obviously, it changed my life because the film was successful and critically acclaimed. But it changed my life also because Ant taught me about unleashing certain qualities in myself that I had, I think, probably locked away. Actually, it felt like a kind of superpower that I'd been scared to handle, which is sort of just turn on the charisma chops.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jude Law]

Do you know what I mean?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, do you think you were learning, like, okay, you're not supposed to do this in real life, but it's permissible here in this space. I can do all the things I've trained myself to stop doing.

[Jude Law]

That's it. It's like going back to the cocky.

[Dax Shepard]

Kid who all the older girls like.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, I guess it is. No, I was going to say it goes back to the board. You rewire and you think, oh, I'm allowed to turn all that stuff on that's been shut away. And it's a similar, I suppose when you play someone who's, say, very dark or sinister, it's like opening up those chambers. You peek in there and you think, oh, I gotta keep a lid on that. But it's interesting. It is allowed in this environment. It's a safe environment for you to unleash.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll say you were given two gifts. One is you have a director who's already directed the English Patient. You know, you're safe to do whatever and you'll be protected. Protected. That's not a gift a lot of young actors have from a director.

[Jude Law]

No, that's so true. And it's something I've learned. In a way, you evaluate that at every juncture in film, because sometimes you're looking at a project and a young director and you're thinking, well, you haven't proven yourself yet. But there's something here. And I know it's a risk. And it could be three months just down the drain.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jude Law]

But let's go for it. And then other times, like a Ron Howard situation, where you just go, well, this is Ron Howard. This guy made films for breakfast. I'm gonna learn. And I can really just get on with what I've got to do because I know I'm in great hands. And absolutely. With Ant, that was the first time I was aware that was the case.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Jude Law]

I have worked with a couple of decent directors before that. I think I was too young to recognize that I was in these qualified hands in a safe environment.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I'll never forget the first time that happened to me is I was working for Mike Judge, someone I idolize, and I'm like, if he tells me to stick a banana straight up my ass, then pull it out, peel it and eat it, I will do it. I actually trust his sense of comedy more than my own. And it's a.

[Jude Law]

It is a fun feeling. It's operating on so many levels because it's incredibly empowering that you're there. Anyway, you suddenly realize, oh, I really rate this person, and they must rate me, because here I am, and they're just telling me to do my stuff. And that alone emboldens you and empowers you.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you have to buy in. At first you think, oh, this person fucked up. Yeah.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

This person I idolize thinks I can do something that I probably can't. You have to buy in.

[Jude Law]

I think that's what was going on in those early moments of fear that, oh, I have to be really. I have to step up. Do you know who taught me a lot in that environment was Philip. Philip was so shocking to me because he was Kind of rude.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. He didn't have the best bedside manner, Right?

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Jude Law]

I'm someone who needs a really kind of safe, cozy atmosphere to feel like, okay, I can make a fool of myself here. I can cry. I'm safe. He quite liked it. A little prickly, or at least in the films I made with him. And what was interesting was he taught me that it's whatever it takes to get the truth, Whatever it takes to make it real. I remember I had this amazing scene in Cold Mountain where it's the middle of the night, the night shoot. It's like 2am it's getting cold. They've converted this whole town down in North Carolina back to the period. So there's mud all over the street. And I've got this huge 18 hand horse in one hand and a gun in the other. And the scene is, I've got to move him down this street, but I've got no hands. Anthony says, action from down the end of the road. And he just turns around and goes, I'm not moving.

[Dax Shepard]

That's what Phillip said.

[Jude Law]

So I had to kick him so hard to make the scene work. And of course, it was just real.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Jude Law]

But most people have been like, oh, pretend. He just looked at me in the eye. I ain't moving. And so suddenly it was like, we're gonna really do this. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you meet Ethan on that movie Suplee? You probably never worked together.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

He's one of my best friends.

[Jude Law]

Oh, you're kidding me. He's a lovely man. There was a very fond memory of that whole experience because true to Ant, he created a real family atmosphere. And we were there in Romania for many, many months because he wanted everyone to really play the music. Jack White's in it playing guitar. The brilliant Brendan Gleason was playing the fiddle. Ethan learned guitar or banjo or something. So we were all hanging out playing and singing those beautiful bluegrass tunes. And he was a joy to be around.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Jude Law]

Special heartbreaking in that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jude Law]

The scene when they shoot him. Stop smiling at me. Oh, it's so sad.

[Monica Padman]

Your resume is insane.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it's pretty Bond.

[Monica Padman]

It's like we're just like talking about random ones. I'm like, oh, yeah, that. Oh, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

What I think is unique about you, yours, I wonder if you agree. The great gift of your 25 years doing this is inordinate amount of really special directors. Clint Eastwood, Soderberg. I worship Spielberg. Right out of the gates, you've got to sit front road couple of times.

[Jude Law]

Scorsese I know you're crazy.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that's rare. I think even for huge movie stars. They've had three or four of the legends and you've really been with a lot of them.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, fun after.

[Dax Shepard]

So after Radio Ripley and I already know because I've read but your 20s, it's like you need to. I wouldn't even advise 20 year olds to not do this, but boy, you care so goddamn. You're so certain of where you've gotta go and what you can't be. And so how hung up out of 10 were you about being good looking at movies, which now both of us.

[Jude Law]

At 50, you know, listen, it was something that was also a crutch to lean. But I realized looking back, I was in my head so much and insecure, but also desperately ambitious to be recognized in an art form that I love growing up watching. Sean Penn, Gary Oldman, Daniel Day Lewis, Tim Roth, these actors who I just wanted to flex my acting muscle as much as them and show my ability to do different things and play different parts, that it just felt like this distraction and that if that's what people were thinking or if that's all they were saying or it's a great part, he's this beautiful guy, I just thought immediately Christ is all going to fall apart if that's it. If that's the perception that is out there.

[Dax Shepard]

It's the great comedy of life though, because it's like when you're Oldman, you're like, well, if I look like Harrison Ford, I'd be indie. If you're you, you think this. We all got this stupid story, stupid. And we got to be someone else other than ourselves. It's comical cuz it's happening to everyone. Brad Pitt's knocking his tooth out to be in Fight Club, so no one thinks he's gorgeous.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, grass being greener. I know, it's a bizarre journey. And then the dust settles as you head into your kind of late 40s. You look back and think, I don't look like that anymore. Hey, just give me a couple more chances. If I just get a little nip and tuck.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, give me one more round.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

My wife will say like, God, I should have done a lot of nudity. Before you get past the point where you're trying to fight, you're gonna want me to get naked. I don't want to get naked. And then you're like, man, I blew it. I looked hot as naked and everything. Okay, so the one I want to talk to you About? Because I read the biography and I don't know if you have, but the Mike Nichols biography.

[Jude Law]

Oh, yeah, I read it. Isn't it wonderful?

[Dax Shepard]

What a book. And I don't really read many Hollywood books, but enough people told me, do.

[Jude Law]

You know, I had to read that because I wanted him in the room one more time. He was the most beautiful man. I remember before I worked with him, Ant actually knew him and said, you wait. You are going to hear the best stories. You are going to laugh more than you thought possible. And he was absolutely right. This guy's warmth and humor and perspective on the world. And then add to that this boundlessly generous intellect. You know, really smart people that make you feel smart rather than make you feel stupid. They kind of bring you into their perspective and share it. And then all these crazy stories. I mean, also so naughty, like, so much bad.

[Dax Shepard]

The guy was a functioning crack addict. While directing oh, Addicted to Halloween and losing all of his finance. I mean, he was on a wild fucking ride.

[Jude Law]

He touched every cornerstone. He did it all and would talk openly. The rehearsal process for Closer was mostly him. And I realized now what genius it was. He was just talking about his experiences and making us all, like, hoot with laughter about his loves and losses and tragedies. And what he was doing was creating an environment that was totally safe and free, where when we then reenacted this pretty hardcore drama about falling in love and splitting up, we were safe. Oh, my God, we laughed so much. And another thing he did, after we shot the film a couple of years later, we'd stayed in touch and I'd seen him a few times, and I was in a bit of a dark spot in my personal life. A little bit down, and I felt like work had gone a little awry. And I just felt like I was in a blip. I remember he reached out to me and took me out for this incredible lunge. It's like he just fucking knew and gave me this incredible generous perspective on life and the pendulum nature of life. It swings here and then it swings back there, and you just know it's gonna swing back nx way. Just hold on. And it was beautiful and very warm and much, much needed.

[Dax Shepard]

That makes me so happy that he lived up for you to the guy I read about in the book. And I was completely ignorant on Mike Nichols other than I had seen his movies. I thought he was a movie director. I didn't know he had been a humongous comedian.

[Jude Law]

Have you listened to them since? You must go and listen to Nichols and May recordings.

[Dax Shepard]

I haven't.

[Jude Law]

You can buy the recordings of their radio shows. And you must look, look up on YouTube. There's an acceptance speech, I think at the Emmys or something, where Elaine May presents the award for mundanity and jumps up, runs down and accepts this award. But the two of them were rocket ships of intellect and humor. Groundbreaking comedians.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, embarrassingly, I didn't even know that he came from being a comedy. I mean, this fucking guy gets put on a boat at six years old with his little brother by himself crossing the oak. He's got alopecia. And the fact that that dude turned all that into everything he did to.

[Jude Law]

Break the gates of comedy the way he did and trample a new path and then say, I'm going to direct films and does who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? The graduate. Catch 22 onwards. I mean, what a talent.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, unbelievable. I recommend everyone read that book, even if you're not into movies or any of that. What a life story to me, because I'm an addict. To me, the crack smoking is the best fucking part.

[Jude Law]

Insightful. You mean to who he was?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, just I was a really high functioning addict myself and I was getting A's at UCLA and getting into the Groundlings and also smoking crack on the weekends. I applaud anyone juggle those fucking ball. I mean, I couldn't. I had to retire at 29 from it. But I find that to be one of the most fascinating aspects of it is how much he was juggling.

[Jude Law]

But equally I can fully understand and I can recognize that need for everything. It's appetite for life, but it's also addiction. But it's how do I this? I want to consume it all. I want to feel it at the max until you realize it's at the detriment of health.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I want life to be an all you can eat bar. And I'm just going back up. Up, up, up.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, I think buffet.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, buffet.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, they just put fried chicken out. You already eat spaghetti. I don't give a fuck it.

[Jude Law]

Let's go back. Yeah, chicken legs.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh my God, they have banana splits at this place. I'm having that too.

[Jude Law]

With toppings.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't want to miss a tip.

[Monica Padman]

Do you relate on the spectrum? If Dax is a 10, which I think he is, where would you land.

[Dax Shepard]

On this needing to gobble up everything?

[Jude Law]

Yeah, I've definitely gotten better. But there was a time in my life when I was way up at sort of 7, 8.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you ever scare yourself?

[Jude Law]

Yeah, and I still do a little bit. I'm an Englishman, so I like a drink.

[Dax Shepard]

It's your birthright.

[Jude Law]

But then you get to an age where it's like, oh, this is a young man's game, it's got to stop. Young person's game, Sorry.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Because I drink as well.

[Dax Shepard]

She's right, right. She's on the ladder. Yeah. I get to observe people who stuck with it. I say this a lot. I feel worse for people who can ride the line of moderation. Plus, because you don't have wreckage, there's really nothing you can point at to say this is taking more than it gives. But for everybody, even if you're moderate, there comes a point at an age where it actually is taking a little more than it's giving. And that's hard.

[Jude Law]

You're absolutely right. And I think a lot of that is also just how long you've been doing it. You get middle aged and you just think, yeah, I just feel so much better if I didn't. And the problem is the social reliance, the crutch it offers socially, the lubricant is, although more years ingrained, the idea of going, oh, I've got to learn to go to these things sober. Oh, you're like 50.

[Dax Shepard]

It's overwhelming.

[Jude Law]

I just won't go.

[Dax Shepard]

Or how about my big thing was vacation. I remember going with my girlfriend on vacation. I'm like, well, what in the are we going to do for seven days? I know what's supposed to happen. We go to the bar, we get a few drinks, we meet weirdos, we end up doing this. That's the key. You turn. I don't need plans. I need two Jack and diets. That's the plan. That for me was the hardest, where it's like, I don't really even know what to do. Yeah. I don't have a game plan to amuse myself without this.

[Jude Law]

There's a pattern, isn't there too? Well, I can only talk for myself when it works. Waiting for the time when you go, well, I'll reset then because I'm really good at keeping fit and healthy. It's a big part of my life. I love training, I love running, I love swimming.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, it shows your physique. Looks fantastic. I have a note I'll get to in your new movie about your bums, but we'll earmark that.

[Jude Law]

Naked. A fully naked. But the reset of not having a drink because you've had a really hard day's work and you deserve. I really deserve this. The reset is not okay. So I had a G and T last night. I still got up and I trained. And the reset is. No, no, no, no. You would just feel so much better if you just stop.

[Dax Shepard]

It's a leap of faith, weirdly.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. I'm really closing in on that. And funnily enough, I wonder whether a bit of it has been. I know you joked about my birthright as a Brit drinking, but that I've been living away from the UK for the last few years.

[Dax Shepard]

That's a very solid footing because I've had many dudes in AA over years.

[Jude Law]

Who are English now living here.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. And they go. I go home and I tell people I'm an alcoholic. And they're like, that doesn't even exist in England. Conceptually. A lot of people even. What does that mean? I remember being in Italy, there was a British kid in our hostel and I was explaining to him, I'm an alcoholic. And he's like, well, what does that mean? And I go, well, you know, I'll go out and I'll drink a fifth of Jack and then I'll have a 12 pack and I'll get Coke. And he's like, yeah, I guess at home we would be proud of that. You're telling it like you're embarrassed by that, but we would very much be proud. And you woke up the next day.

[Monica Padman]

Part of the culture.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I do think culturally it's much different.

[Jude Law]

It's why it's such an interesting time, actually. There are all these different perceptions of Gen Z and the parents generation trying to get a handle on them. And certainly in the uk, I don't know if it's the same here, but their lack of wanting to get high in the uk, judging them, but almost like going, oh, they're so boring. You think maybe, maybe that's helping. Maybe they're still going out and having fun. They're just not getting wasted.

[Dax Shepard]

Maybe they like waking up and not recounting everything they said in the comments. Conversation with so and so and thinking like, oh my God, is this worthy of clothing?

[Jude Law]

Yes, exactly. That's a big shift. Certainly in the uk, that's impressive.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it's happening here too. I keep reading that it's down, which it's gotta be good. Although I hope they go fucking hard for at least a decade like I did. I'm still delighted I went hard.

[Monica Padman]

Well, I think it's because they're so much more emotionally regulated that they're not using substances to sort of.

[Dax Shepard]

They have an outlet. They can actually talk.

[Jude Law]

I think you're right there. The opportunity to actually share and analyze, rather than you're either sharing and analyzing while you're high or you're hiding the need to share and analyze because you're high.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, again, that's why I like drugs. It was back to talking to girls. I sit down with you with an eight ball. I got no fear of telling you all my fears, my vulnerabilities. I'm impenetrable when I'm on coke. I'll give you the whole me. I'm not worried at all. That's what I liked about it. I like the intimacy it could immediately give you with another male. Sitting down with some dude you just met and you're hearing about his dad. You know, the shit you talk about on coke. You're like, your dad was a firefighter, and I'm so interested.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

What are you talking? Like, did he come home?

[Monica Padman]

Smokey, do you remember the stuff when you do, you do.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the many business plans I hatched. You're very entrepreneurial when you're on coke. You've got a lot of good business plans.

[Jude Law]

Did you ever make promises, though, like, start them?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh.

[Jude Law]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I've written a thousand checks my ass couldn't cash while gacked up, for sure. Oh, fuck. Well, while we're on this, the other one, I just wanted to touch in before we get into the 10 new movies you have. Downey's a good friend of mine, and so you got to do those two Sherlocks together.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Was it a party? And I've also heard from, I think. Was it Jake Gyllenhaal was telling us that Guy has a set that's pretty fucking radical. Was that the case?

[Jude Law]

Yeah. I'm sitting back smiling because they were very, very happy experiences, those. First of all, it was an interesting time looking back, because Iron Man 1 had just landed.

[Dax Shepard]

And people forget that was the first big Marvel movie.

[Jude Law]

First big Marvel movie, first big Turner around for Rob. So it wasn't like he had gone stratospheric, but it was pretty clear that the rocket ship was full of fuel and everyone was standing around.

[Dax Shepard]

They were cleared for takeoff.

[Jude Law]

But, you know, it was. It was sort of happening.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. It's a sweet moment you got to share with him. The sky again was open for him.

[Jude Law]

Exactly. And Guy, too, was sort of figuring out this step up from these really cool. He's one of those directors who. It's hard to have a signature style and you watch five minutes and you go, oh, that's Guy Ritchie movie.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Jude Law]

You know it straight away. Like a. Where's Anderson? He has his own particular style. I'm pretty certain in saying it's the first time he's sort of been headhunted and put in charge of a big piece with a big budget and a big movie star. And the first time I'd stepped up to something like that. So we were all sort of finding our way with all these new toys. And it really was incredibly creative. We had a script that we used as a sort of blueprint. We'd go in, we'd improvise all morning trying stuff out. I had this big tome of. I'd try to read most of the tomes books, and I'd made all these notes of great little quotes between the two of them. So we had this sort of bible, we called it, where we would look for banter between them that was pure Conan Doyle. And Dione was just coming up with the craziest idea.

[Dax Shepard]

He's on another planet.

[Jude Law]

Right. And so fast. But also brilliant at looking at something through a smart, funny lens. You know, like. But look at it from over here. How do we put that into the scene? And then we'd edit the thing down and go shoot it. That became our pattern. It was really creative.

[Dax Shepard]

How fun and what ownership you must feel over those movies.

[Jude Law]

Absolutely. And then to get to do it again felt like this oiled machine. It was like suddenly the engine was running and we could just accelerate again. Again. Again. It was a lot of fun and one I. I really hoped we'd do again. I mean, there's been a lot of conversation about whether we will with scripts that have come and gone, but at the moment, I don't know.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you must.

[Monica Padman]

I hope so.

[Jude Law]

I hope so.

[Dax Shepard]

Also, what an easy thing to greenlight the charisma between you two motherfuckers. Like, I might even argue you're the only person with as big of a sparkle. Downey's such a weird little fucking unicorn. God, is he a special weirdo. And I'm going to add, just to bring him back down to life, he's also a dumbass. So he's like the most brilliant person you met. Like, I'm sure he was giving the most brilliant ideas. And I bet he was hitting you with a couple of like, what the fuck are you talking about? You want crystals in this scene?

[Jude Law]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's where the genius lies. And it goes back a little bit to. We've mentioned some of the great film actors and directors already in this conversation. But being bold and brave and brilliant enough to offer a stupid idea, you know, you throw a stupid idea in, that means you're gonna have a genius idea in three seconds. It's firing. And if you're safe and everyone goes, what? We're not doing that. And then, well, what about this? Oh, okay. It's freedom of kind of flow thought. And again, learned a hell of a lot from that. Cause I definitely had some of those moments where you look around. What did you say? I think there are moments in the film where I'm like, what are we doing that whole bit in the second one with him dressed as a woman and us then fighting. I'm on top of him dressed as a woman, trying to kill him. I mean, and there's moments where you go, wait, how did we get. Aren't we doing Sherlock Holmes?

[Dax Shepard]

Doyle's rolling over in his grave. Are the mechanics of a Guy Richie movie at all laborious? Because it is visually so specific and.

[Jude Law]

Cool, it never felt laborious. Sorry. You asked a much more specific question because of what Jake said about his sets.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, he told me he's got like his own grill he invented. I think I saw it in the Beckham documentary. He has.

[Jude Law]

He hadn't got to that quite then, but he was always, yeah, what are we having for lunch? Let's cook our own lunch. He was inventing at the time a kind of plush, decked out trailer that you could cook your own food on with a little wood burning stove. All of that going on.

[Dax Shepard]

He's from like a bygone era. That's so great. Okay, I watched the Order last night. Gosh, couple things right out of the gates. Just delighted to see a movie like this because we haven't made one of these in a long time. This was a standard fare in the.

[Jude Law]

Early 2000s and more so in the late 70s and early 80s. And that was the films I grew up with, that Justin the director grew up with. If you think of Lumet and freakin early Michael Mann, a time when the genre film could also carry incredible content and substance. I've been referring to it as sort of elevated genre that people aren't scared of. Genre being some sort of excuse just for thrills that in fact you can bed in. Really interesting commentary.

[Dax Shepard]

You are. I'm gonna fluff your pillows now, so buckle up. You're not unrecognizable because clearly it's you, but you're unrecognizable. In this very fun. This role, I'm like, this is like Gene Hackman or like late Paul Newman. When you walk up your face, I'm like, he's a real dude. This is not a movie star. This is very Gene Hackmany.

[Jude Law]

That was the aim. I'm completely thrilled that you made those two references. Those were references that Justin and I both sort of circled around.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, really?

[Jude Law]

The whole time, for so many reasons. First of all, this idea of, for me, as a Brit, trying to create a very particular American man of that time, the kind of cheesy reference is Marlborough man, But, you know, that kind of lived in grisly, macho, but with a really good heart.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, this is such a good trope. I miss it. It's like the life is a disaster because you've dedicated it all to one thing you're good at.

[Jude Law]

That's right. Well, that was exactly at the heart of what we wanted to find in him. It's why we didn't base him on the real special agents that were in that case.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, let's get a plot.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, great. So it's a real story.

[Jude Law]

So it's based on a case that the FBI uncovered in the early 80s about this White separatist movement that was breaking out in Idaho. And they discovered it because of a series of bank robberies. And these robberies actually amassed more money than had ever been stolen from Brink.

[Dax Shepard]

Matt.

[Jude Law]

At the time, it was up to nearly $4 million.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, yeah, one of their armored car jobs was like 3 million bucks in.

[Jude Law]

83, but they were using it to finance an army. And they were following a book that had been written a few years before called the Turner Diaries. This goofy, almost kids like book, which was seven steps to taking over the country. And they got to number five.

[Dax Shepard]

It's still the bible of white nationalists. I watched docs as recently as last year where that's still the bible of the white nationalists.

[Jude Law]

That's right. But it's this kind of kids book. It's really odd. It's not got great content or gravitas to it. So Bob Matthews was the leader of this group that called themselves the Order or the Silent Brotherhood. Nick Hol plays him.

[Monica Padman]

Love him.

[Dax Shepard]

Be still my beating vagina. I mean, he is this goddamn sexy.

[Monica Padman]

I do love him.

[Jude Law]

What a brave actor to take on that role. He had to go to pretty dark places. I felt for him because he found a humanity in this guy, but he was sort of unrelenting in commitment. It was a remarkable performance.

[Dax Shepard]

I agree.

[Jude Law]

So that's a real guy. There were a couple of special agents that bust this case, one in particular who's written several books about it. And it was just important that we use this character in the film and add to his vulnerability, add to his personal life, to really make sure that the story and his role in the story hit home. And so to sort of hang that or invent that on the back of a real agent just felt wrong. So we sort of amalgamated him and invented him ourself. And going back to your point, we constructed him in such a way that there's this sense of this lost family, this incredible career that he's physically in ruin and kind of falling apart. Smoking too much, drinking too much. He's taking pills to thin his blood and his fucking noses.

[Dax Shepard]

He's bleeding, gushing blood in our mess.

[Jude Law]

And I like the idea that a lot of us felt like the big fight was behind us, and in fact, it's kind of in front of us. It's becoming more and more apparent globally. I wanted him to be us in that sense, that he thinks he's done his job and he's going there to fish and hunt and chill out. And suddenly this army is in front of him and he's on his own and he's got to take him on. And you, the audience, are thinking, is he going to survive the afternoon? He's falling apart. And there's also this interesting mirror of giving everything up, devoting everything to a cause, and what the cost of that is, that things do cost in life. Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

The bill comes due.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Jude Law]

Justin Cazell directed it. We couldn't have found a better director. He was so suited to the material and handled it with such consideration and lent on the genre aspect, created this real edge of your seat cat and mouse thriller. But all the work and the emphasis certainly on the set was always about character and authenticity and background. And so at the end, I don't want to give too much away, but he kind of does get his man. He doesn't get his man. And so there's this suggestion of the hunt continuing, which I just thought was so elegantly conducted by him as a director. That sort of open ending with just the breathing of husk back out in the wilderness. And I felt like it lent itself beautifully to exactly as you said, the fact that this book is still being looked at by separatist groups and urban terrorists as a bible.

[Dax Shepard]

Were you in Coeur d'alene?

[Jude Law]

No, we shot it actually in Calgary.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you did? Because I think it's still alive in Coeur d'alene.

[Monica Padman]

I'm sure that group.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, like I think that's still a real hotbed of white nationalism. And I would have been a little.

[Jude Law]

Nervous making that Actually going there now. Indeed. This is the scary thing. Obviously it's a piece of American history, but it's a global problem.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, I just watched a Frontline on this thing called the Deutschland.

[Jude Law]

Oh, Christ.

[Dax Shepard]

Deutschland something. They've gotten some officials elected. It's thriving on the millions. It's very fucking scary.

[Jude Law]

I have belief that what galvanizes these individuals, it's sort of going on at the moment around us. It can sometimes be a single voice that gives them an excuse to suddenly be public about it. Someone in the agency said to me, the reason that got so far was because of Bob Matthews. He was a sort of once in a generation voice and he somehow managed to speak to them all.

[Dax Shepard]

Charismatic leader.

[Jude Law]

As soon as disappeared, they all disappeared into their little holes and they shut up. And I have a faith if people vote right this year, a lot of those people will. Their voices will disappear too.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. There's so many forces at work. This current rise of this Deutschland. I wish I could remember the name of the party. It coincides perfectly with them deciding they were going to be a home for refugees, which is beautiful. And a commitment at that time by maybe Markle saying, we have this past and here's one of the ways we're going to talk about it.

[Jude Law]

She was extraordinary. She really led the way with the refugees.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. That's like a force that happens. And then. Then now this breathes oxygen into this other thing and then. Yeah, Charismatic leader pops up and rides on the fumes of all this other stuff that's going on.

[Jude Law]

I thought what Justin did very well in the film was really quick.

[Dax Shepard]

How did you find him? Because he's going to direct a couple episodes of the Bateman Show. So he's an Aussie.

[Jude Law]

He's an Aussie. My company had a great relationship with Zach Balin, who's a wonderful writer. He wrote King Richard and Creed and Marley. He did a great run and gave the script to my partner Ben, and we just wanted to get it made. We couldn't believe this story hadn't been told. We couldn't believe that he had packaged this message within a genre. And it was just a beautiful piece. So we loved Justin's work from Snowtown and Nitram and Macbeth. And he'd done some amazing work on film and just seemed so suited to it. He's an awesome guy. He brings incredible heart and ferocity and energy to films that he works on. And we got on very, very. I hope to do many, many more projects with him. I intend to and I hope to but yeah, he also stepped in and shot the last two episodes of the show that I just shot with Jason.

[Dax Shepard]

Are you guys done?

[Jude Law]

Yeah, we finished two weeks ago.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. We interviewed him three days before he.

[Monica Padman]

Left to go start.

[Jude Law]

To go start with his big beard.

[Dax Shepard]

He looked insane. Yeah. And then I saw him.

[Jude Law]

You know what I find insane now? I've seen him without it because he's been my big brother Vince, and big brother Vince had his hair and his beard and suddenly he shaved it all off for a flashback we have later in the show. And I was like, who the hell are you? You're Jason Bateman.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jude Law]

Where's my brother?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Jude Law]

It's such a great part for him. He's playing a recovering addict who has this nefarious past who kind of blows the lid off everything he goes near. You know, in the wrong hands, it could have been that kind of character where everyone goes, why does anyone give this guy time of day? He's a walking car wreck. It's Jason Boehner.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, you love him, so you fucking love him.

[Jude Law]

You can't resist him. And the charm and the humor. You just suddenly go, I forgive you. Do it again.

[Dax Shepard]

In fact, nobody does shitty like he does. Yeah, he is the very best.

[Monica Padman]

There's like just a few handful that can pull off unlikables so well.

[Jude Law]

And by the way, the first time I've worked with someone who is directing and acting, that is a juggling act. That is a skill set.

[Monica Padman]

He's directing the show.

[Jude Law]

He directed the first two.

[Dax Shepard]

He's doing what he did on Ozark.

[Jude Law]

That's right.

[Dax Shepard]

You've not wanted to direct.

[Jude Law]

I would love to, but I really enjoy the producing side. I really enjoy bringing folk together and ideas to life. Directing requires much work. I will, I hope one day you.

[Dax Shepard]

Have something with Monica's new favorite. Was it writer or director that wrote what's your threesome movie you love so much? Challengers.

[Monica Padman]

Challengers.

[Jude Law]

Oh, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

That was such a good movie.

[Dax Shepard]

Who are you working with now?

[Jude Law]

Justin Kitzkis, the writer. I'm working with him on something based on the 1968 debates between Gore doll and and Barkley Jr. That's a great doc.

[Dax Shepard]

That's one of my favorite doc.

[Jude Law]

Best of Enemies. Yeah. That's what were inspired by.

[Monica Padman]

Wow, that'll be awesome.

[Dax Shepard]

Have you seen that, Monica?

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Jude Law]

It's an incredible documentary.

[Dax Shepard]

It's also very interesting in today's times to watch that because you have two people that are polar opposites and they're both brilliant and just to Watch them go at it and the way they could go at it and how entertaining that was. And yet it wasn't like file into this camp and declare yourself this. It was like fun discourse at the.

[Jude Law]

Highest level of insight and wit. But my goodness, the respect with each other just slowly, well, slowly disintegrates in real time.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, that's fun.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so Black Rabbit's the show with Bateman, right? Yeah, that's on Netflix. That's coming.

[Jude Law]

It'll be next year on Netflix. Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

And then the third thing is a Star wars project.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Called Skeleton Crew. The Order and Skeleton Crew come out with it. Three days of one another.

[Jude Law]

That's right. The Order will be in cinemas from December 6th and Skeleton Crew is on that week on Disney Plus.

[Dax Shepard]

This just my own selfish curiosity. When you did Peter Pan and Wendy, was that supposed to come out theatrically or do you always know it was going to be a strange.

[Jude Law]

I assumed it was going to come out theatrically and it was shot in such a way. I mean, this is David Lowery, he's a real filmmaker. And the scale of the thing was just magnificent. And I was lucky enough to see it in the cinema. When they screened it for me, I don't know what went on there. It was one of those many unanswered questions that people seem to be posed at the moment about streamers, making movies for. I don't know. I assumed that Disney had enough confidence that every holiday, every parent wants to go to the movies with their kids. Right. And if it's Peter Pan and Wendy, you're gonna all go, you're gonna watch it on Disney too. I've never quite understood why one would.

[Dax Shepard]

Stop the other, but a lot of actors got fucked. There was like a two year window where people were signing up for big movies and presumably they had box office bonuses or they had participation and success. And then they were like, well, guess what? That's completely off the table. None of them really stepped up and said, here's the money you would have normally.

[Jude Law]

No, to me, it's more about the responsibility also of the bigger companies who. Disney are a tent pole organization that people will go to the cinemas to see that. It's not like it's an odd arty film, it's a Disney movie. And like I said, I mean, if that comes out on the holiday, everyone with a child and everyone who's a Disney fan will go see it and go support it.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, they have to. They have to fill up those days with the kids.

[Jude Law]

Yes, twice.

[Monica Padman]

That's Jack's scariest time of the year. The week between Christmas at the end of the holidays.

[Dax Shepard]

I'll tell you what I did, Jude. Two Christmases ago. We go hard for Christmas. We go hard for everything. You just saw my yard. There's skeletons everywhere.

[Jude Law]

We go hard prepping for Halloween.

[Dax Shepard]

And the problem with going really hard is we went hard all of December two years ago. And then we get to the big day and it's Christmas. We unwrap our presents, and I go, I could feel everyone's door dopamine leave. There's nothing more to look forward to. And I go, my God, we've got 10 more days together.

[Jude Law]

How do we do this?

[Dax Shepard]

It's all downhill. So two years ago I said, new family rule. Every year on Christmas, the second we finish opening the presents, we get on an airplane and we go somewhere. And we did that last year, and by God, it worked. And it's a great day to travel. No one's there.

[Jude Law]

It's a great idea. I do it because in the UK the weather is so awful. My wife loves Christmas, wants to be near the family. I do, too. I just don't. I do too.

[Dax Shepard]

I love them. But you gotta keep everyone busy.

[Jude Law]

Gotta keep everyone busy. And I always find the role of dad is usually unpacking and packing things. So I'm also suddenly going, why am I filling the car up? And now I'm emptying the car. I don't know. I'm filling the car back up and stuff. And now I'm empty. Like, this is a lot of time out here.

[Dax Shepard]

Do we need all this to go out all these places?

[Jude Law]

I know we've got to carry all the presents out to Auntie Julie's house, you know? Okay. But because of the weather, getting out of the UK on Boxing Day is a must. Go find some warm weather.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, let's get the fuck out of here.

[Monica Padman]

Ooh, this just reminded me, I have a question. What is the movie? Because as we've discussed, you've done so many incredible ones. I have a guess as to the one that gets brought up the most to you on the street. Is it the holiday?

[Jude Law]

It was Christmas themed. I like the segue there.

[Monica Padman]

I mean, I just remembered it because of that.

[Jude Law]

It's a remarkable thing. I had a feeling making that. Nancy Myers, the director, has a really forensic, sharp eye for creating those cute meat, sweet but not saccharine movies. They satisfy from the aesthetic to the dialogue. There's just enough humor, there's a little romance. They're smart, but she goes about them with a real attention to detail. So you hope it's gonna be a success when it opens. You do not think it's gonna become, for decades, a Christmas kind of routine?

[Monica Padman]

Yes, it's in my routine. I watch it every Christmas. I still love it.

[Dax Shepard]

Ms. Monica Wright. That's the one.

[Jude Law]

People so popular and they make it part of their Christmas. It's a lovely thing. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You gotta learn to be grateful for Hell yeah. Yeah. All the little things.

[Jude Law]

Totally.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. When you're part of the fabric of someone's holiday. That's lovely.

[Jude Law]

My one big issue with it was the name Graham. And I apologize to everyone called Graham out there. But in the uk, Graham's a little bit of a. Okay. I really do apologize.

[Dax Shepard]

You gotta be careful here. I get name trouble all the time.

[Jude Law]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Jude Law]

I was just like, can we just call him Jack or John? You know? And Nancy just really wanted Graham.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. She got it.

[Jude Law]

Because, you see, at least in the States, you say Graham, but in England, we call him Graham.

[Dax Shepard]

Ew.

[Jude Law]

Graham.

[Dax Shepard]

Graham.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. That's not Graham.

[Dax Shepard]

Apologies to Graham's.

[Jude Law]

Sorry, Graham.

[Dax Shepard]

Y'all should move here to the States where we'll call you Graham. So, Graham M. Norton.

[Jude Law]

Oh, grab. Grab.

[Dax Shepard]

You just. Yeah, I think every year, because we have a routine. I told you, we go hard in December. It starts with family vacation, the Christmas vacation movie.

[Jude Law]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, it's Chevy Chase.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. Yeah. I can imagine being in it and then being upset about it, but on the outside, as an actor that's not in it, I'm like, what a goddamn blessing. Every year. I appreciate Chevy Chase for two hours every year. And I'm going to until I'm dead. That is such a gift.

[Jude Law]

Where do you go on holiday when you live in California?

[Dax Shepard]

We went to Mexico. I'll tell you exactly what I do. It's so embarrassing to say out loud, but as I've gotten money, I've become a total hotel snob. So all I do is I go to four seasons.com and I look at the list of hotels and then I go see which ones are booked and how long it'll take us to get there. I don't give a fuck where we go, as long as there's of Four Seasons there. And so it turned out the one that was closest and had availability was in Mexico. And we went. And then it was delightful and it's.

[Jude Law]

Great climate, lovely water, Everything was great.

[Dax Shepard]

It was a big win. And you're in Mexico, so they'll let you do something they would never let you do in the States, which is. I got a couple's massage with my then 8 year old daughter. They won't massage a minor, especially on an 8 year old in the States. But they're. My God, everything was great and I'm laying next to her and it was one of my. I mean other than watching Lincoln at the ERAS tour, listening to Delta Go. Oh, wow, I like this. Oh, oh, daddy, I want to get a massage all the time. Yeah, that's not how it works. This is a very special thing. You're getting so cute. Wow, it was so fun. I got to be in the room with her like experiencing her first massage and she loved it.

[Jude Law]

I bet that's really funny.

[Monica Padman]

She's going to get a couple's massage when she's married. And I used to go with my dad to get couples massages.

[Jude Law]

This one's not as good as the one I had with my dad.

[Monica Padman]

Oh my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, great. So let's just for one second talk about skeleton crew because that's also coming out. But I doubt you're going to come see us again before December 3rd, which breaks my heart. So let's talk about it now.

[Jude Law]

What's there to say? I'm not allowed to say anything.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you're not? Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[Jude Law]

Now I can answer anything you want to know.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I just think it's pretty cool to step into that world, I guess.

[Jude Law]

Star wars, it was really cool. I'm not like an insane Star wars fan, but I grew up. It was a formative part of my childhood. I remember seeing those films, first three and they blew my little mind. And I probably ran around my yard for the next 10 years going, Pew, pew. And you know, I'm Han and my friends going, you know all of that. Who did J being very jealous of my neighbor Daniel, who had a lot more figures than me.

[Dax Shepard]

Same.

[Jude Law]

I think he even had an AT app, which really pissed me off.

[Dax Shepard]

I know that's like $200.

[Jude Law]

I befriended him and went over there and melted a few of them as they got laser. But you know, but it was formative and made enough of an impression that stepping into it was just honestly a real joy. And I was lucky that the character that they wanted me to play has a really interesting contradiction and he's got a swagger and he's interesting, he's got a lot of sides. But the genius was that the protagonists of this show are kids. So it doesn't have the sort of worthiness that some of the latter Work I think had, which I, by the way, enjoyed. But it's through the eyes of these children who get lost in that world. I just thought it was a stroke of genius. It adds a kind of innocence. It adds an awe with real jeopardy still that I just think really breathed some sparkle back in.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Okay, my last question for you is about your wife. She is a behavioral psychologist. Ooh, that's so hot. Our favorite gal.

[Monica Padman]

That is so hot.

[Dax Shepard]

We do experts, experts on Wednesdays.

[Monica Padman]

We've had a few behavioral.

[Dax Shepard]

We constantly have psychologists on. And I love it. But of course, I'm always most intrigued, if I'm being honest. You have this playbook. You kind of understand emotions, you know how to articulate how you feel, but then you're also just a real human in real life. Like in some weird way, you think they would have the answer key for existing. But I've never really got to interview the husband of someone with the answer key. And when you guys get in like a spat, can she just go like, here's exactly what's going on. You're responding to this thing when you were 9 years old that you already told me and I already fucking know this, and jump to it.

[Jude Law]

The short answer is absolutely. But the skill set that I have observed and appreciate the most is her calm in that scenario. I was so immature before I met her. You know, I thought a row, an argument or a fight was getting really angry and shouting a lot and storming around. And what she taught me was that you can row and be perfectly calm and sit down. It's just a conversation where we really disagree. That was like an epiphany for me that blew my little mind. Oh, this is called being adult.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. What age were you when you guys met?

[Jude Law]

I was 40. And it was an ability to suddenly slow down and really look at what was being discussed, what was being disagreed on. She's also incredibly generous. So she has a wonderful empathy. So much more so than me. And so at any given time, I also know that even if she sees the root of the pathetic little decision I've made, or all stubborn little foot stomp I'm making, she kind of goes about it with great embrace. She's a very awesome person and hugely patient. She puts up with me.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. If I put myself in your shoes, I'm very opinionated on how we should raise the kids. It's very important to me. I have a lot of opinions. I care more about that than anything.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And I might have a chip on my shoulder that in theory she probably would be right. Theoretically, if we were debating this course of action with the kids, I might feel like, hey, just because you have all this training and knowledge doesn't mean my opinion isn't as valid.

[Jude Law]

I'm lucky in that I've done it before. So where we are a pretty formidable team, I like to think, is that she has this study, she has patience and sort of wisdom. And I been in the trenches and gotten muddy and bloody, so I sort of go, yeah, that ain't going to work, let me tell you. You know, we could go down that path. We're going to lose teeth.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, in theory it's great. In practice, this is going to happen.

[Jude Law]

And it's a good mixture.

[Dax Shepard]

Is she a Brit or an American?

[Jude Law]

She's British.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, she is, yes. Okay.

[Monica Padman]

What's that do to your brain?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I don't know. I like it, I guess, that she's British. Yeah. Because I like exotic things. And if I had the option for exotic, I don't know. There's something nice about the fact that.

[Monica Padman]

You'Re with a true cuz. Look at your wife.

[Dax Shepard]

She's pretty American.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Some might argue she's America's sweetheart.

[Monica Padman]

Some might like the world, the world.

[Dax Shepard]

Says, you know what I'm saying? I thought there was something there. And there's an fishing.

[Monica Padman]

That's all right.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I don't know. Well, all I know is the sky was the limit for your options and you got yourself a hometown girl. So I think I like that.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. I was just very, very, very lucky to meet someone at that moment who had the generosity just to sort of get me and love me. For me, that was the big mind blowing moment.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you struggle at all? I had this hang up. I was with the girl for nine years. She was with me through all the struggle and then we broke up. And I was really quite bothered by the fact that I would meet someone that already knew the successful version of me. Already knew someone potentially on tv. Does that make any sense to you?

[Jude Law]

Yeah, it does make sense, but it was pretty clear from the get go. First of all, I'd been pretty successful and known for quite a chunk of my life.

[Dax Shepard]

Your whole life, really?

[Jude Law]

Yeah. And in a way, I sort of thought that that was the issue moving forward and finding someone. And to be honest, I'd gotten to a place where I thought, well, you know, I'd been pretty lucky. I felt like I'd fallen in love before a couple of times. It hadn't worked out. That's fine. I was Healthy and happy. I was sort of starting to like myself again. I'd forgiven myself for some stupid behavior and moved on. So what was key was that she was clearly not interested in this public person or any of that, but in me. And that was mind blowing to me. And we became really great friends very, very quickly. But that was the first step.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I don't want to bring this up because it's not a fun topic and I don't want to bring up anything scandalous at all. All I want to ask, the one curiosity I have is during this fucking phone hacking thing, were you ever getting suspicious at any point? Like someone's got to be like, were there moments where you're like, this is inexplicable.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. They would turn up at places in the middle of nowhere. Or I'd be taking kids on holiday.

[Dax Shepard]

Mentally freaky.

[Jude Law]

Very, very freaky. You start to circle the wagons and really start analyzing who in the circle is doing what. You get a little.

[Monica Padman]

Make you paranoid. Yeah.

[Jude Law]

You get a little antsy about things. It just spins your head out.

[Monica Padman]

It's pretty traumatic, really.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I think it's hugely traumatic. It's so nuts that someone greenlit that I know.

[Jude Law]

On such a huge scale.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. They were doing the Prime Minister and.

[Jude Law]

They figured out that paper, plus I'm sure some of the others. The content they were publishing every week, 80 to 90% of the content had been illegally sourced. I mean, that's how much they were outsourcing and paying for these people to provide these stories. Illegally crazy.

[Dax Shepard]

I honestly think it would run the risk of making someone lose their mind.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Because you're already. Let's just be honest. And I deal with it to some extent. Not the degree you do, but reality's already been augmented. Like I go to Starbucks and people there know me. That's its own thing to come to terms with and integrate into your existence.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. I've got to remember it. I've got to think back. The color that I'm seeing. I was just pissed off. Yeah, a lot. There was a good 10 years. I was angry. I got kind of animal primal. Because the thing that really pissed me off was the invasion in my kids lives. And then I realized that I was the one actually upsetting the kids because they were seeing dad being like, get the fuck away, go away. What are you doing here? All of that stuff. Whilst trying to provide a great. Hey, we're all going to the park. Let's go to the park. Oh, fuck off. What are you doing here? It was just A messy time.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, the kids. That's a really important piece because I will say I'm really not nice in general in public.

[Jude Law]

Me too.

[Dax Shepard]

And the times I've been really aggressive.

[Jude Law]

I want to be a nice guy. I want to be good and kind.

[Dax Shepard]

Same, same, same. The only times people have seen really bad versions of myself is when I'm with my kids. I'm sorry they didn't sign up for this. I know you think somehow that's a price they should pay for having me as a parent, but that's. That's sins of our father stuff.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, that's right.

[Dax Shepard]

And, yeah, I've been my worst self because I'm already a suspicious person. So I'd be like, oh, I know who it is. I know what's happening. Something's happening. I would feel it. That would be maddening. You really went through something.

[Jude Law]

Yeah. And it's interesting to discuss because, again, I'm someone who tends to genuinely just look forward. I don't dwell on the past much. I don't really look back over old work or old experiences. It is kind of therapeutic and interesting to discuss. And I remember the anger. I also remember it was inevitable that a once the line was drawn under it, or it seemed to subside, there needed to be a time, a space away from everything I needed. A lot of healing had to take place. And it was a big turning point. The responsibility was also on me. Meaning I didn't want the kids to see that stuff, so I had to learn how to deal with it in another way, too.

[Dax Shepard]

That's the thing I really relate to you, is like, I do that thing. I'm defending them in quotes, but really all they've done is seen me go from normal to really agitated and aggressive to someone else. And now they're just absorbed all that energy.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So whatever damage this person that was filming my kids, which I was pissed about, did to them, what I ended up doing was worse. And then having to accept that, now it's like another layer. And I was like, that person took away my control and power. But then I did something even worse with it.

[Jude Law]

I know. Big old knot. What a chapter.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Wow. You live through that. I bet there's still residual decompression.

[Jude Law]

Yeah, probably.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, thanks for telling me about that. So I read that and I was like, oh, man, the things I've had.

[Monica Padman]

I just can't believe it was allowed.

[Jude Law]

Well, it was highly illegal.

[Monica Padman]

Well, exactly.

[Jude Law]

They paid out the thing, clothes. They put one of the guys in prison.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, that someone Went to jail for. Oh, good.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I mean, it's like, good. But it still happened. You can't undo.

[Jude Law]

Do you know how they found out in the end? So there had been complaints, there were suspicions arisen, aroused by various people in the public. Public eye. And we were sort of told, sort of, shut up. You guys are famous. This is what you deserve. A young girl was murdered and they hacked her telephone.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God.

[Jude Law]

And so they'd listen to messages, which meant the police thought she was still alive. And when that got out, they finally realized that's how low they went. Oh, that's her child's phone. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my. Oh, my God.

[Dax Shepard]

I know w. England's a weird place. I've only sued one of those magazines, and it was a English magazine. It's interesting because you guys actually have more protections than we do.

[Jude Law]

Yes, A moral thing. Right. They just decide, let's really push the line.

[Dax Shepard]

It's just really curious because, like, you have more legal protection there.

[Jude Law]

That is bizarre.

[Dax Shepard]

And yet they seem to offend worse than anyone else.

[Jude Law]

I think they pushed that boundary of freedom of speech, or hideous behind it, rather saying, this is freedom of journalism.

[Monica Padman]

Right?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, yes. As if we need to know, like, you're in a position of power or in the government. Well, dude, this has been a blast. I really like you.

[Jude Law]

Do people normally come in and just start talking? I feel really.

[Dax Shepard]

No, that's exactly how it goes.

[Monica Padman]

This is how it goes.

[Dax Shepard]

I loved it. That's how it works.

[Jude Law]

What a joy.

[Dax Shepard]

But this was fun because we have some mutual friends and I've never met you, and you're delightful.

[Jude Law]

Well, you too. It's been such a thrill to be on this. Really. I've loved it. Now you need to tell me, other than Anna, who else cries? I didn't cry. I got a little teary.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, I'm gonna have to send you a list. I mean, not to brag, but we've had 800 people, and I bet you a good 30 of them have cried at least. Yeah, maybe more.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

Did I make Prince Harry cry?

[Monica Padman]

No, he didn't. The Brits, I guess, don't cry.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, they're kind of known for that. They cry at the pub, in the bathroom.

[Monica Padman]

Six pints under the stairwell.

[Dax Shepard]

They let it sneak.

[Monica Padman]

They let it all out there. That's it.

[Jude Law]

When they're hiding.

[Dax Shepard]

Your autobiography should be called under the Stairwell. From under the stairwell to the top of the stage.

[Jude Law]

My life.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, this has been a blast. I hope you'll come back the next time you have Three movies coming out at once. All right, be well.

[Monica Padman]

Bye.

[Jude Law]

Thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

He is at our Pair X, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's gotta let him have the facts. Hi, is this Venti?

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Brand new regular right off the factory floor. Darn it.

[Monica Padman]

What?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, this would be a spoiler for a future episode. But I was gonna put my cashmere in a little bag and bring it in so you could save it for that episode. That episode. Okay, great.

[Monica Padman]

I have big update.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you do? So the way you're steadying yourself for this update.

[Monica Padman]

Well, I need visual. I need line of vision. Field of vision.

[Dax Shepard]

Field of vision. Line of sight.

[Monica Padman]

Line of sight. Look.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my gosh. Is that the bear?

[Monica Padman]

This is the black bear. Well, hold on.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

It's not the black bear. The original black bear is still out of your reach. Impossible. Except. So I went to the restaurant.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I chatted with my friend who works there.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. A server or a manager or the owner. I think the owner or the valet.

[Monica Padman]

No, owner, manager. All of it. He does all of it.

[Dax Shepard]

All the above. And the bald guy, Is he missing hair?

[Monica Padman]

I think so.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. I've got a great product for him.

[Monica Padman]

No, he looks great.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, great.

[Monica Padman]

You know, we chatted about the mug. Obviously, word has got to them about what's been going on.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, they got active in the comments. I don't know if I. I think I didn't tell you that.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Because I wanted to preserve your overall relationship with a place you love.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

But they got active in the comments. They were like, don't steal our mug. They were a little. They got a little.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

They really didn't get the joke that I was suggesting. Steal the mug and leave money.

[Monica Padman]

I see.

[Dax Shepard]

And they got. I think they got a little worried. So they got busy in the comments.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Not Chuck. That they know about this whole thing.

[Monica Padman]

Also, definitely don't steal anyone's anything unless.

[Dax Shepard]

You'Re gonna leave $1,000.

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

I bet they would be proud of.

[Monica Padman]

No, actually, this is so. I think this is so of part of the issue. Like, they're sold out completely. The mugs are sold out. Every single mug on the website is sold out.

[Dax Shepard]

They're gone.

[Monica Padman]

I don't know if that's arm cherries.

[Dax Shepard]

Were they sold out when you went and looked? Well, I know they weren't because you read from me the website.

[Monica Padman]

They were not.

[Dax Shepard]

They weren't. A lot of them were available.

[Monica Padman]

Yes. So I have a feeling our beautiful arm cherries got Active and are supporting this wonderful company. It's all DC Dogs.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, that's what it's called. A lot of people are curious. Salt.

[Monica Padman]

If they want to know more about my stuff, they can follow me on Instagram.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, right. Okay. Because you were tagging people and things.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

I do believe that we had something to do with that, and that makes me really happy and my heart feel very full.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, good. So this is many parts. This is a thank you.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. This is a huge thank you. I went to the restaurant, we talked. The owner said potentially that if they get more in, like, more mugs in general.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

He'll give me an original black bear. There's two. Oh, two.

[Dax Shepard]

Two different bears.

[Monica Padman]

No, there's two only left in the world. In the world at that restaurant.

[Dax Shepard]

That's one of them.

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Sorry.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. So that there has sort of a. Like, what's this shape? Triangle. Sort of. That's not the right shape. That's not the right.

[Dax Shepard]

What if you didn't know the name of a triangle?

[Monica Padman]

Well, it's not a triangle, but it's like.

[Dax Shepard]

Thank God. It was on the cog test. A trapezoid.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God. Speaking of the cognitive test, you know what I could not identify? Did I already say this? I could not identify for the life of me. A seahorse.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, interesting.

[Monica Padman]

She showed. You know, there were pictures of things, and there were, like, ball and cat. Like, so obvious.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And then one was the thing, and.

[Dax Shepard]

I was like, oh, a pelican, a sandwich.

[Monica Padman]

A sea lion. Like, I could not remember.

[Dax Shepard]

Sea lion. Makes sense, because that's a thing.

[Monica Padman]

It is a thing. But it's not that. No, no. I never got. She had to tell me.

[Dax Shepard]

She told you?

[Monica Padman]

Yes. And then I was like, I think this is racism. Oh, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Not misogyny.

[Monica Padman]

Indians don't learn. No, this is an Indian thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Because women don't like horses as much as men. According to Barbie, women love horses. That is true. But according to Barbie, men love horses. Are the patriarchy.

[Monica Padman]

Sure.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. I guess it's both per usual.

[Dax Shepard]

Right? Right.

[Monica Padman]

Per usual. It's both things. Laundry list, really. I was like, indians don't know about seahorses. I'd be curious if you're an Indian.

[Dax Shepard]

Indian listener and you grew up in Atlanta, Georgia.

[Monica Padman]

No. You can have grown up anywhere in this country. Like, because. And I wonder if this is Indian for real.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, now we're transferring into real.

[Monica Padman]

Okay, we got to get back to the black bear.

[Dax Shepard]

But one second, because, like, I'll suggest that Genetically, you're probably more tolerant of high heat. And you're like, that's preposterous.

[Monica Padman]

I didn't say that's preposterous.

[Dax Shepard]

What'd you say?

[Monica Padman]

I said, stop talking.

[Dax Shepard]

Just shut up about only I'm allowed to talk about being Indian. Yeah, that's. That's fair.

[Monica Padman]

But I think you're right about that potentially that I have some genetic disposition to high heat. But also, I grew up in the south. And also.

[Dax Shepard]

But I'm going to argue it's not a great argument because the US Is also surrounded on three sides by ocean.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

Because India, this is a goddamn peninsula. This is a subcontinent. This thing is submerged in water where seahorses are roaming free and wild. I would even think you'd over index in seahorse knowledge.

[Monica Padman]

Seahorses there.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

And. And also, you know, when I would babysit young kids like yours?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

You know, here in America, there's a big emphasis on teaching.

[Dax Shepard]

Your position is just like, you've arrived. You almost sound like Steven Seagal. How do you say in English, that is not fair.

[Monica Padman]

I am Indian. Okay. I think there's a big.

[Dax Shepard]

Now I sound like Trump when he's talking about Kamala Harris. I don't know. She's Indian. That's fine.

[Monica Padman]

No, she was.

[Dax Shepard]

She was black. Now she's Indian.

[Monica Padman]

She used to be black, now she's Indian.

[Dax Shepard]

God.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God. I think there's a big emphasis in America for American schoolchildren and American. Okay. Preschool. When you're like, have babysitters and your parents are reading you books and stuff.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

There's a big emphasis on animals.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And like, identify this animal. What's this? What's this? I. I didn't have that.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, to be clear, I didn't either. From my parents. I had it from my grandparents. I would go to my grandma yolos and she had those National Geographic books.

[Monica Padman]

And she wanted me to know she's white.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm very, very smart and educated. It's the most educated of my lineage.

[Monica Padman]

Right. Oh, right.

[Dax Shepard]

Only master's degree. Hold on.

[Monica Padman]

I thought you said I'm very, very smart and educated.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you are. And you're my grandma.

[Monica Padman]

This was like Massimo, I thought you said the words I'm very smart. Not Monica is, but I'm very smart.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm the average intelligence. Except the cog test.

[Monica Padman]

I know you're very smart.

[Dax Shepard]

But back to. So I didn't have that either, but I did have it from my grandma. I'm just adding context. For your American. Because I grew up in America and you didn't. So I'm telling you how it worked.

[Monica Padman]

It's more American. People put emphasis on animals. I think that's real.

[Dax Shepard]

Is it?

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Because pets, you might totally be right. But I really want to know the thought process of how you came to that.

[Monica Padman]

I am coming to it real time. I don't think pets are a huge part of the culture at all. I really don't.

[Dax Shepard]

In India.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Well, God knows they have dogs. We saw a lot of dogs.

[Monica Padman]

Dogs.

[Dax Shepard]

And they have cows walking around the street.

[Monica Padman]

They're roaming, though. They're not pets.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So here's the one I was going to launch really, really quick. And this is not thought out and probably full of holes like Swiss cheese, preferably on pastrami with coleslaw and a little Russian dressing. We don't have exotic, exotic animals. You know, we don't have lions and tigers and elephants and monkeys. Monkeys. And so they're very exotic and interesting to us. But maybe if you grow up in Africa or India, where these things are indigenous, they're not that interesting. So that could be kind of an argument. Like, they're so exotic to us. They're almost like fairy tales, dragons and whatever.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm not standing on that argument, but I did just come up with it.

[Monica Padman]

I think it's more America's obsessed with pets and, like. Because I did learn about elephants.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Because elephants are a big part of that culture. And so my grandparents, you know, there's elephants everywhere.

[Dax Shepard]

Big symbol.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. So I knew about them.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Here. I got a new one that just came off the assembly line. We were raised on Disney cartoons, and the stars of the cartoons are generally animals. They're Wile E. Coyote and all these fun and dumb. And what's the little deer? Poor bamboo. So I do think our cultural products are pretty rife with what I said. But I don't watch any cartoons in India, so I don't know if those two are populated. I bet they are. Kids like talking animals, don't you think?

[Monica Padman]

I don't know. Unfortunately, I'm not. I didn't grow up there.

[Dax Shepard]

Should we call your dad an ass?

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Ask animals when he was a kid, were the cartoons or the characters in cartoons mostly animals or were they humans?

[Monica Padman]

I don't think he had TV or movies. He went to school. No, he didn't.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, let's get it straight from the horse's mouth. Ding, ding, ding. Horse. We call people horse's mouth.

[Monica Padman]

Men love horses.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Patriarchy.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, boy.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, if your dad goes, well, how the fuck would I know? I'm American. And then he hung up.

[Monica Padman]

I would like that.

[Dax Shepard]

Me, too.

[Monica Padman]

He won't. He never hangs up on.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't know why you're asking these questions there. Hey, Monica.

[Monica Padman]

Hey, dad. You're on air. Well, not live, but we are recording.

[Dax Shepard]

Hi. Hi. Hey, how are you? I'm in a meeting.

[Jude Law]

Oh.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, no. Okay, Daddy, you want to call me back, I will. Okay. All right, bye.

[Dax Shepard]

That's so cute. He's in a meeting, but if his daughter calls.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Ding, ding, ding. Future guest.

[Monica Padman]

I know.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

You got to pick up when your daughter calls.

[Dax Shepard]

That's right. Also, she could be running from an attacker.

[Monica Padman]

I don't call a lot. He's like, now's my chance.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, something's wrong. No, he thinks something's wrong.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, he does. He does think something's wrong. But nothing's wrong, dad. Just on. You're just on the.

[Dax Shepard]

Just trying to figure out if everyone likes animals or just Americans.

[Monica Padman]

What if I said, put me on speaker at your meeting.

[Dax Shepard]

I want to pull the group you're with. Yeah, certainly, you must. I think you need to extend this to Westerners, because certainly when I'm in Europe, people. Everyone has dogs.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

In fact, if you go to, like, Nice and all these little French Riviera towns.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

There are mechanized dog poop scooper uppers, like in can and stuff.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

These French let their fucking dogs waist just fall all over the ground.

[Monica Padman]

They're so willy.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, French.

[Monica Padman]

They're so romantic.

[Dax Shepard]

So sexy. They dog poops on the side and they're all so. Honey, let's go into the. Oh, okay.

[Monica Padman]

Anyway, I don't know, maybe times have changed in India, but we were just there. By the way, we did go to someone's house and I didn't see any animals there.

[Dax Shepard]

No, but they weren't hosting guests. They probably put their cats and dogs and seahorses away.

[Monica Padman]

They don't have them. I really don't think it's a. Should we ask Husson, or do we know. I don't think he.

[Dax Shepard]

But he's going to be in the same boat as you.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly.

[Dax Shepard]

He'll tell us what it's like in fucking Stockton, California.

[Monica Padman]

I was going to say the culture. He didn't grow up. His parents didn't bring cats and dogs around. My grandfather was a. For a long time a vet.

[Dax Shepard]

Legally or just.

[Monica Padman]

No, I didn't.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, I'm a doctor.

[Monica Padman]

No, he, like, he was a genet he was a. He was a. Don't laugh at him. He's dead. He was a. He was a professor of genetics.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. But I don't think. I think that's different than a veterinarian.

[Monica Padman]

No. He did a lot of work with animals.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

And at one point he was a vet. I don't know all the details. Okay, okay. But listen, even him who was like, knew a lot about animals and was around them, they didn't have pets.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Monica Padman]

It was. That's like a separate thing. Anyway, Indians don't have pets. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Monica Padman]

We're going to have a guest on next year who I'm going to ask.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

And I'm really excited to ask.

[Dax Shepard]

She won't know either. Are you talking about she'll know if she had pets in America.

[Monica Padman]

Talking about.

[Dax Shepard]

I thought we're trying to figure out if Indians in India know about seahorses and have.

[Monica Padman]

Well, it's all related. It's all related. If they themselves weren't around a lot of animals or it wasn't a big part of the culture. They're not teaching their little kids about animals. They're not like, picking that out as something. Oh. Identify all these animals as something important to do. They don't care about that.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

So it's why I don't know about seahorses.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm not pushing back on that. I'm introducing a new thing which I think helps your argument. Which is? I don't know if other countries have aquariums. Aquariums are huge. Wabi, did you have an aquarium? Yeah, at one point I had a little.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, at your house?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. And you must have had many friends that had aquariums. Yeah, I had an aquarium. I had an aquarium phase and my buddies all had aquariums.

[Monica Padman]

Sure.

[Dax Shepard]

And you, you dump some seahorses in there. I think you like, you throw them in, like, powder and then all of a sudden they're alive. There's something really interesting about seahorses where they, they can be transported as a powder and then become seahorses. God was spared that seen them moving throughout. Aquariums. Aquarii.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Anyway, back to the bear.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. The original bear mug has like, basically a triangle, square bottom, rectangle. Salty Sea dog sent me this new bear.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh.

[Monica Padman]

And they said it's only for me.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, wow. Congratulations. You know who that bear looks identical to? Did you ever read this book To Lincoln or Delta, the Great Paper Caper?

[Monica Padman]

Ding, ding, ding.

[Dax Shepard]

What?

[Monica Padman]

Books about animals? Yeah, sure, I did read that to them. Yeah. That's how I learned about bears.

[Dax Shepard]

That's how the bear's drawn. It looks very similar to that.

[Monica Padman]

It's such a cute bear.

[Dax Shepard]

The Great Paper Caper is one of my favorite children's books. The drawings are so cute and playful.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Remember the owl? They're all like. They show that wide of all of them what they're doing on their own. Like, I don't remember. Well, someone's cutting down trees and using it to make paper. We don't know who. And they show all the suspects and like the. I think the owl's just staring at a tree or something. One of them's peen like the snow's yellow where he's at. So cute.

[Monica Padman]

That's so cute.

[Dax Shepard]

Have you read his Halloween book, Oliver Jeffers? No. What's it called? There's a ghost in this House. Oliver Jeffers is the guy who wrote that and illustrates it. And it's got transparent pages, so there's ghosts when you turn them.

[Monica Padman]

Ooh, exciting.

[Dax Shepard]

Scary. I need to order that. Too late.

[Monica Padman]

No, you can still love it.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, I guess it'll be. Well, look, we're really far out already. For Hollywood. Hollywood, Hollywood. Halloween 2025. We already have a lot of balls in motion, as you know, in and out truck.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So might as well just go. And then we'll also have this new book.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Get it now for next year.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Now for.

[Monica Padman]

Anyway, I really want to thank Salty Sea Dogs for this incredible gift. They also. They made a brown bear as well. That's the new one that went up on the website. They sent me that too.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God.

[Monica Padman]

Just in case. I like that one more.

[Dax Shepard]

So I don't understand why you don't have all of them. You have a brown one and a black one, but there's still one.

[Monica Padman]

You don't have the original black bear. Why can't. This is so easy to follow.

[Dax Shepard]

Kind of. You've now got two bear mugs and you're telling me you don't have.

[Monica Padman]

There's a third. This one is a one of one which is very special. The original bear is. There's two.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

But that live at Budanoki, the restaurant. And then brown bear went up on the website, but it is sold out.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you think they could make me a ball set cowboy mug maybe? Because like the mug part would be the balls and then there'd be a handle and then there'd be a penis sticking out.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, God.

[Dax Shepard]

And then that cowboy would be on just the. What are you saying? Oh, God. That's a nice I don't wanna make.

[Monica Padman]

Them make you a penis. Why?

[Dax Shepard]

It's so playful. You have a painting and we had merch.

[Monica Padman]

I love it when you make it, but I would feel very uncomfortable asking somebody else to make a penis mug for you. But because Salty Sea Dogs is so nice. Also, I guess some. A listener sent you a robot mug.

[Dax Shepard]

What?

[Monica Padman]

Maybe you haven't received it yet. Spoiler.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, God. I didn't know that.

[Monica Padman]

Because they sent gifts for the team.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh. Oh, my heavens.

[Monica Padman]

Wabi, come in here. You got a really, really good one.

[Dax Shepard]

You're jealous of him.

[Monica Padman]

Am I?

[Dax Shepard]

Am. That's a cool.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, it's a Sasquatch.

[Dax Shepard]

It's. Oh, but it's a playful little boy Sasquatch.

[Monica Padman]

So cute.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God. These are horrible.

[Monica Padman]

So cute.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you get a little story about the person?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, you can. It's a certification for.

[Dax Shepard]

These are like Cabbage Patch dolls.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. And they sent you that nice note.

[Dax Shepard]

I love that we're all locked into our generation. He said, build a bear. I said, cabbage Patch. What if. Hold on before you pull it off. Because I was being rascally about the whole mug thing and steal it and everything. What if the mug they made me was a middle finger? That would be great. And they just had eyes on the middle finger.

[Monica Padman]

Let's be clear. Salty Sea Dogs is not upset.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, great.

[Monica Padman]

They are very grateful.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay. Good, good, good.

[Monica Padman]

Good Buddha Noki. If people are stealing from their establishment, I understand if they're upset. Please don't do that unless you're going to leave.

[Dax Shepard]

1,000. No.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Don't do that. Okay. Is there a price they could leave?

[Monica Padman]

I really don't think so.

[Dax Shepard]

$1 million, Monica.

[Monica Padman]

Because they are the reason that these mugs are a thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Monica Padman]

And they brought them to America. They're Canadian. They brought these to America.

[Dax Shepard]

The mugs are the restaurant.

[Monica Padman]

The mugs. Okay, well, the guy is Canadian, so he knows these people and he did a nice thing and he stocked his restaurant with these mugs. And it turned into such a feeding frenzy because now they're like, we don't.

[Dax Shepard]

Have enough because people are stealing them.

[Monica Padman]

Well, I don't know if that. They're stealing them. Well, no, they're very durable.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, but really quick. Do you know what payola is?

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Rob, will you read the definition of payola? So in terrestrial radio, there would be DJs who would get in trouble for payola, which is they would start talking about products and they. In the side, we're getting money and it's against the law? Yeah, it's the practice of bribing someone to use their influencer position to promote a particular product or interest.

[Monica Padman]

Bribing?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Monica Padman]

They were getting paid.

[Dax Shepard]

They were getting paid. Oh, you're like straddling the line.

[Monica Padman]

No. How dare you.

[Dax Shepard]

I just think you need to announce that you've received no money from anyone.

[Monica Padman]

Of course not.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. Just a couple thousand dollars in mugs.

[Monica Padman]

I. It's not, it's not a bribe though, because these are things. I like talking about them.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, but you started talking about how durable they were and I was like, now it sounds a little bit like they are durable.

[Monica Padman]

They're a great product. Everyone should buy them. And I get a kickback.

[Dax Shepard]

She uses URL code. I get 10%, but it's not payola. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert. If you dare blink and get more. Blink is your go to value brand for smart home security made simple Blinks wired and wire free smart security devices work together to create affordable, convenient whole home coverage when and where you need it most. With Blink, you're able to see, hear and speak to people and pets right from the Blink app. With two way audio and crisp HD live view, you even get real time motion alerts on your smartphone so you can react and engage from anywhere. That's key right there.

[Monica Padman]

It's huge.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

Now yours. I don't. You're not going to love what's happened. I think. I think you are. And you're also not okay, because this is. Let me read it to you. Hi Dax. We wanted to send you a mug as a huge thank you for the exposure on Armchair. However, one of your amazing fans already sent you a robot instead. We sent you a mug for Kristen. Perfect if you wish to give it to her. Oh, also, we wanted to mention that we pulled our audience to hear what their favorite armchair expert episode was. 95% of your fans said day seven. It was a beautiful reminder that when we are open, honest and humble, we are able to make the biggest impact. We will carry that lesson with us forever and we thank you for that.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, now I'm super on board. Now I love. Well, yeah, now. Now I know where there's spirit heart is. Oh, it's a. It's a. It's a three toed sloth.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, what if you couldn't remember it? Like, what if it was a seahorse? It's a cute sloth.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, that's very.

[Monica Padman]

I love it. Give her her certificate of adoption.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so Rob got one. You got one. Kristen got one.

[Monica Padman]

Where's your robot? You need to go find it because.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm asking Carly if she.

[Monica Padman]

I haven't even seen a robot on the website. I'm nervous you got like a special one.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm nervous you got a special one.

[Monica Padman]

I mean, I got a special one, too.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Anyway, we love salty ac.

[Dax Shepard]

We really do.

[Monica Padman]

It's sweet.

[Dax Shepard]

It is very sweet. I have updates. Great. So this is a rare case where I listened to the arm cherries. I listened to you as well, but I also listen to the arm cherries, which is. We. We talked a lot about my toe fungus. And people were. Some people were almost a little panicked. Got to go to the doctor. Melanoma. Melanoma. Melanoma, everyone. Melanoma. I know some. Right. So a lot of melanoma stuff. Okay. There's a lot funny here. And this really kind of ding, ding, dings it as well. This is. This is tied in, in a weird way.

[Monica Padman]

Sloth.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So I go to my. Now he got really mad when I called him a gp. He's not. He's an internist.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

And I hadn't realized that that was so offensive, but I. Oh, but that's neither here nor there.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. Is it like canceled? Like the word is canceled?

[Dax Shepard]

No, just. He made a lot of analogies I'm not going to repeat because then I'll offend some gps. But. But just. He was. He's. I'm an internist. I pull the toe out, he looks at it and. And while he's looking at it, he goes, okay, so you tell your wife. She's our shika.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

And he's an older male doctor.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

And so.

[Monica Padman]

So he looked at the toe and then he said that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yep. I think he. I think probably he was waiting as long as he could wait before he brought it up. And then it just kind of came up. So he. He me how much he loves Kristen as a shika, which is so funny. So then he goes, there's a guy across to the hall. There's a podiatrist across the hall. And I'm pretty close with him. I'm going to run over there and see if he's got a minute to look. He's like, I'd rather have him just look at it. Privilege, privilege, privilege. The guy's got 10 minutes. I'm with my mom too. I brought my mom with me and I brought her in the room with me, which was really fun. It made me feel like I was a little kid again.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, you should have taken. You should have gone to the pediatric.

[Dax Shepard]

I should have. And then we should have gone to McDonald's and got an ice cream cone afterwards. Cause I was a good strong boy who was not afraid of shots. And so I said to her on his leaving, I said, hey, you want to go to the doctor with me? Pretend that I'm eight again? And she goes, yeah, I'd love to. So we went to breakfast first and then we went to the doctor. So then we go across the hall and we go to the podiatrist and he starts looking and he stops and he goes, I gotta tell you that your wife is a stop back to back within 10 minutes, both of them very older doctors. And I was like, this show is magic.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, it's huge.

[Dax Shepard]

It's magic. Magic. How is this guy? And then I'm seeing young kids in New York. It's very. I've not seen a show that's like everyone. The nets that wide and dads. Dads is the weird bullseye because the aforementioned guest Easter egg whose kids called. Yes, he too. He had seen it and his kids had it. That's neither here nor there.

[Monica Padman]

Be honest.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Were you a little like, can you just like, can you be a doctor for a second?

[Dax Shepard]

No.

[Monica Padman]

Really?

[Dax Shepard]

No, no, no. I thought he knows her and I got squeezed in. And I'm only benefiting from the notion that this gentleman just loved my wife's show.

[Monica Padman]

Don't you think that like maybe it's like rose colored glasses, like when he looks at the toe, he's just like, oh, it's perfect. Like her. And it could be melanoma.

[Dax Shepard]

What if he goes, what if he looked at my tone? He goes, I can't believe she's with you. What? She deserves so much better than that would be hysterical. No. You know what's funny? And I'm going to credit my good friend Kevin Zers. Kevin Zers. If you don't know who he is, he's a great actor. He's a good friend of mine and I absolutely love him. And he's got this Incred. He's on a new Taylor Sheridan show and he's a, like, Marlboro man cowboy. He looks incredible. Keep seeing pictures of him. He looks gorgeous. Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Shout out.

[Dax Shepard]

He texted me like, three weeks into the nobody wants this phenomenon. And he said, I'm so grateful things are going good with your career. Right. Right now, because otherwise you'd be suicidal.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And I was like, that's. You know, that's probably true. So to answer your question, I'm not above that feeling bad, but I feel very. My self esteem is very good currently.

[Monica Padman]

That's great.

[Dax Shepard]

And as we know, it's very fluid.

[Monica Padman]

Sure.

[Dax Shepard]

And on another day, I might feel bad, but I felt just fine about it. And I am. I'm trying to live by what I keep telling the kids, which is, hey, we're a team. When one of us shines, the whole team shines. We go to a party and Delta's the big hit because she's dancing. That's the Shepherds.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. For sure.

[Dax Shepard]

Team Shepherds won.

[Monica Padman]

That's a beautiful way of looking. I think that's correct.

[Dax Shepard]

And I feel that. I feel like, you know what? This thing, it's a team. And if she's. Everyone loves her. The team. That's great for the team.

[Monica Padman]

I know. It is great. I guess there are things, there are.

[Dax Shepard]

Places that you want your own attention.

[Monica Padman]

It's not about attention. I don't want you to know me or anyone in my life.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh. Like if I was in there for anal warts again. No. Shamed people get anal warts. It's not their fault.

[Monica Padman]

Like my waxer.

[Dax Shepard]

But if I was on all fours and my butt cheeks were spread and he's looking at this and he's like.

[Monica Padman]

Your wife's my sh.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God. I was watching a show. If I spilled my popcorn, I was laughing so hard at whatever part.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. It's like I'd. I wish you just didn't.

[Dax Shepard]

I want to be anonymous. That's fair. I wasn't too humiliated by this. So great distinction. Yeah. If I was in there for erectile dysfunction. Again, no shade. It happens to tons of men. These things that would be hard for me to go in and talk about.

[Monica Padman]

Sure.

[Dax Shepard]

I might want to be anonymous.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

He looked at the toe. He goes, not melanoma. Right away. Mo not melanoma.

[Monica Padman]

Your wife's too hot for that. And so here's can definitely not be.

[Dax Shepard]

What'S your wife doing right now? And I'll say this is a bit of a psa. And this Is not a. I'm not saying it can't happen another way, but what they did tell me was it when it's melanoma, if you have melanoma under your toenail, you'll generally see it'll start kind of growing into your cuticle. Now we've got a different thing. Like, you'll be able to see some of the darkness in your cuticle probably also. So then he got. After that, now he got a pair of little sharp pliers, and he just started going. No shot of numbing agent. Oh, yeah. Oh, we're talking about the show and what's good about.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God. Jesus Christ.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you want to see it?

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God. This is so exciting. And also, this is Paola. This is like getting people to watch us on.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't have any songs to do. Okay, maybe I can hold it up to her camera for one second.

[Monica Padman]

Hold it to camera.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, look, guys, it's not great, but I got to tell you, that is an enormous improvement. No, here we go.

[Monica Padman]

Can you see it?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, he sounded just like a camera operator. Yep. Like, he's in the sweet spot of it. Total sharp razor focus. Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Okay, let me. Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, because you've seen it in a lot of iterations now. You've seen the enormous, like, thick. Oh, oh, oh. Here's a brag.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you know what the doctor had by his side, like, the closest image instrument? He had the toe doctor. A Dremel. Exactly what I've been using. Yeah, I felt very vindicated by that.

[Monica Padman]

That doesn't mean you know how to use it.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I don't know. There's not a lot of ways to use a Dremel. Go ahead. Not as bad as I was expecting. Well, did you see the photo?

[Monica Padman]

You should have seen.

[Dax Shepard]

Here, I'll show you the photo. Do you. Do you want to zoom in on that, too? Hold on, let me get you a photo.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, it looks way better. It's not black anymore, right?

[Dax Shepard]

It was the black.

[Monica Padman]

There is some red, but that looks like blood.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. Here you go, Rob. That's what it looked like.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, that looks big improvement, right? Yeah. Dare we gonna.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God. Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So that's where I was putting the safety. Hot safety pin through. And then there's soot gathered in the holes, as you see. But that. See all that darkness, that's what we were worried about. What an ugly toenail. But anyways, I skipped out of that. A point appointment. I skipped. Yeah, because it's fine.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Everything's fine.

[Monica Padman]

So there's nothing more for you to do?

[Dax Shepard]

I don't think so. Oh, I'm gonna go see him in three months.

[Monica Padman]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Follow up.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I hope the black doesn't come back, by the way.

[Dax Shepard]

That's. That's. This. This is nothing. But it's funny. I just said three months because he said. Okay. So do you want to come back in three months or do you. Do you want to make an appointment.

[Monica Padman]

And I come back in three months, or can we wait till season two is out?

[Dax Shepard]

Should we. You want to coordinate it with the drop of season two? I said yes. And he goes, which one? I go, I want to call and schedule it in three months. Basically, I got this, like, I got this commitment phobia right away. I was like, I don't. I can't. I don't know what it was. I was like, I can't commit to coming back in three months right now. Again. You know, I already know my issue. But I'm like, but I'm committing to call to schedule it in three months. He's like, what? Just leave. Like, I don't. I don't know why it makes sense.

[Monica Padman]

Why she with you. I just cannot understand.

[Dax Shepard]

I go home and read, watch it, and try to wrap my head around Hawaii.

[Monica Padman]

Wait a minute.

[Dax Shepard]

Wait. No way. Carly.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, Bo is so cute.

[Dax Shepard]

I like to drink hot coffee. It gives me a charge in my boots.

[Monica Padman]

Look how cute.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my goodness. That is adorable.

[Monica Padman]

He's.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, whoever bought this for me, I don't deserve it. My toe's disgusting. No, thank you.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my God. That robot is adorable.

[Dax Shepard]

That is adorable. Okay, so there was. That's the toe update. And I. Sorry, I scared. Cherries melanoma free. I went to New York last weekend and was a part of the New Yorker Festival.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. How cool.

[Dax Shepard]

It was really cool. Not just my thing, but just even being in the green room. And then Tyler. And I'm afraid to say her last name and I'm embarrassed, but it's F, O, G, G, A, T, T. She is a senior editor at the New Yorker and she's under 30. Oh, and she is.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my dad's calling.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, great. Cat eyes. Remember calling about cat eyes? Hey, Monica.

[Monica Padman]

What's going on? We just have a quick question about.

[Dax Shepard]

Cartoons from your childhood.

[Monica Padman]

Did you. Did you watch cartoons? Did you have cartoons in India? Television cartoons? Yeah. No. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

I grew up. We didn't even have a tv.

[Monica Padman]

That's what I. That's what I said. That's what I told Dax. And he didn't believe me.

[Dax Shepard]

So when's the first time you saw a cartoon? Probably. Well, I'm British.

[Monica Padman]

I mean, I can't be sure, but.

[Dax Shepard]

I think only after coming to this country.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Dax Shepard]

There are many right now.

[Monica Padman]

I'm still right, but not back then. Back then now. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

As I said, you know, I was in past college when we moved to.

[Monica Padman]

New Delhi when I first tv.

[Dax Shepard]

And that was black and white. Ashok, we're beating around the bush. Monica didn't know what a seahorse looked like and she's blaming her Indian heritage. And I think that's bullshit.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Dad, do you know what a seahorse is? I don't see. Exactly. Because also I was saying.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't.

[Monica Padman]

I was saying that one of the.

[Dax Shepard]

Smartest men in the world.

[Monica Padman]

Yes. Because in India, don't you think, dad, don't you think they put less of an emphasis on animals, like. Like pets than they do in America?

[Dax Shepard]

That was the case.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Not anymore.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. At least, you know, it's.

[Dax Shepard]

It's really associated with wealth. You know, people get.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, they have more money. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Extra food to get. Give to an animal.

[Monica Padman]

You have, you know, they have dogs and domesticated pets.

[Dax Shepard]

You know, we had a dog when I grew up. Tell them India.

[Monica Padman]

Really? You had a feral dog that ran around the house? Obviously now there are, you know, people.

[Dax Shepard]

A lot of pets.

[Monica Padman]

I know, but then I'm talking about my generation of parents like you guys. You guys didn't have animals, domesticated animals as much, I don't think. Because I was saying with kids here, they read storybooks, like from early on and they're identifying animals. It's like part of the curriculum. And that's not what you guys did. No. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

We did not do that.

[Monica Padman]

I'm glad to talk to you because I am right. It's very clear and rare. It's very common and it's just another one to add to the list. Anyway, sorry we interrupted your meeting. That's okay. I know I got killed. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

That was the other thing.

[Monica Padman]

Else. Everything else good. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Have you. Have you watched Nobody Wants this? No. What is it? I think I've heard about it.

[Monica Padman]

It's Kristen's new show on Netflix. It's. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Monica Padman]

I've not watched it now. Yeah. Dax thinks. Well, it's been coming up that a lot of dads have secretly watched it. And so we're. We've been asking around.

[Dax Shepard]

It's good.

[Jude Law]

Good.

[Monica Padman]

It's a great. It's a good Show.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I will, man. Watch it.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. It's already on Netflix. Yeah, it is. It is. All right, dad, we're gonna go. Oh, well, bye. Love you.

[Dax Shepard]

Bye.

[Monica Padman]

Love you, too.

[Jude Law]

Bye.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so I was talking about Tyler. She's so impressive. I ended up reading a bunch of her writing before I went and was. She interviewed me, and she was so smart and wonderful and impressive, and I had so much fun. She made me cry a bunch of times. And it was really, really lovely. But that. Because now I'm remembering the very funniest thing that happened when we were in New York. And I have all the photographic and video evidence of this. Okay. So we went to Robert Downey's play on Friday night. McNeil and Raffy, my friend Raffy's also in it. And we're sitting in the theater before the show starts, and behind us is, I don't know, four or five women. And they see Kristen, and so they start telling her that they loved her Netflix show. They don't say the title out loud. Now there's three older women in front of us, and they just kind of detect someone's famous behind them. Right. Because there's a hubbub.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So now they're really curious. I'm watching the whole. I have the best vantage point for this entire thing. So I'm watching that, and then I watch the woman pull out her phone, and it's just directly in front of me. It's four feet away from me. And she. Monica. And I filmed all this. It's so I. I haven't been laughing so hard in so long. She wrote her first search on Google was like romantic movies. So she searched romantic movies. And of course, where's that going to take her? That's Harry Met Sally Sleepless. And she's just. I'm watching her scroll. That's not it. That's not. And then she refines her search and she writes, what's on Netflix? Now all this stuff comes up and she's. And now I'm like. I'm nudging Kristen. Like, oh, my God, look at this woman's trying just like the most carpet.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Bomb search to try to figure out who you are. This is so funny. So she's scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. I've got probably nine minutes of her searching the entire Internet. She starts whittling it down. And then she realized, because movie. She. That was her. Her cardinal sin is she was usually including movies. Sure. In her searches. Somehow, by the minute nine, she gets to TV shows. And I'm watching. And I have the exact moment where she's scrolling and she sees nobody wants this. And then she hits it really excitedly. And then she moves to her friend and I dolly write and I get it. And I see her thing. And then her friend sees and now they're really excited. Then she pulls her phone. Now this is the knockout punch of all. Knockout punch. And she texts her friend, oh, my God. You're not going to believe it. We're sitting in front of Zack Shepard and Kristen Bell. We have the video. We're going to post it. It's. Nothing could be funnier. Then the person she's texting writes back, it's Dak.

[Monica Padman]

D. Oh, no, my God. Oh, my God.

[Dax Shepard]

When we saw the correction was, no, it's Dak with a K. Holy cow, was I laughing. So. And we have the entire thing on video. Oh, my God. Was that funny? I could not get over that. Oh, no, it's Dak. I'm in front of Zach Shephard.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, jeez. What did she say that made you cry?

[Dax Shepard]

I think it, it started with. And this came up in yesterday's episode. You know, there's going to be a few that they're going to single out of episodes we've had, my mom being one of them. I end up having to explain how special my mom is to me, that's. And how she's the foundation of why I'm curious. And she's so empathetic. And I mean, next level empathy, where it's like, even the bad guy deserves some compassion. Even that kid who killed another kid in a drunk driving accident, what's happening with his family, that, that, that spirit of hers. But of course, in trying to describe my mom out loud on a microphone, which I don't do often. Yeah, I couldn't get through it. And then I'm trying to tell about the episode, which I can barely kind of get through.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

And. And then she's reading some stuff, some reactions to things that were, you know, I was just. I was a mess. The first third of it. I was still funny, I hope. I think people were laughing enough. But yeah, I got, I got pretty emotional. What I was thinking when I left was I was like a. That of course, I just immediately get insecure. Like, God, that's so self indulgent to be like crying on a stage. You don't make time to sit down and go over your life. You would never, like, sit there and then just reflect on your life. But then in an interview like that, it's Kind of this, I mean, I don't know why I'm saying this is what we do for a living.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

But you're forced to walk through your life a little bit.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And I'm at the old age where that makes me emotional now.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, that's very sweet.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. It was really, really fun. And she, she's incredible. We should interview her at some point.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, I would love that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. She's a powerhouse.

[Monica Padman]

That's a ding ding, ding to Jude because we talked about crying a lot.

[Dax Shepard]

We did drop. We did. We did talk about crying a lot.

[Monica Padman]

I really liked him.

[Dax Shepard]

I really really liked him too.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. He was a very cool person. Okay. A few things. Had Cate Blanchett done Elizabeth by the time she did Talented Mr. Ripley. Yes, she did. Was hard8pt Anderson's first film, his first feature. Yes. Drugs and alcohol are down with younger generations. That is true. Young adults in the US have become progressively less likely to use alcohol over the past two decades with the percentages of 18 to 34 year olds saying they ever drank, that they drink in the past week and that they sometimes drink more than they should. All lower today.

[Dax Shepard]

Well those are the three categories.

[Monica Padman]

At the same time, drinking on all three metrics has trended up among older Americans while holding fairly steady among middle aged adults. That's interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. It would be too blanket of a single explanation of why older people drink more.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

But I do wonder and I think a lot of people are like I'll retire. It's going to be great. Life's going to be a blast. No work. And they get there and like huh, that's a little boring. I don't really know what the to do.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Why doesn't this feel the way I was anticipating for the last 40 years of my labor? And then what are you going to use? Well, let's get drunk.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Also in like the rate of drinking in homes is very high because also like they're social with each other.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh yeah. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

So that's kind of interesting.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you. I wonder if your hangovers get. They must. It seems like they would get worse and worse and worse because mine just got worse and worse. And as I hear from everyone as they age they get worse.

[Monica Padman]

They can sleep in a lot but they don't.

[Dax Shepard]

They wake up at 3:30 in the morning. They're having lunch at 10:00am oh God.

[Monica Padman]

You talked about a group in Germany called the Deutschland something group but I. Which I couldn't find. But there is a really big group forming in Germany. A far Right. Group called afd. What's that stand for? The far right. Alternative for Germany. Alternative for Deutschland, I guess. Is that the one?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, got it.

[Dax Shepard]

Alternative Deutschland. Yeah.

[Jude Law]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

There's millions of people. It's a very concerning. I mean, it's a healthy chunk of people.

[Monica Padman]

So scary.

[Dax Shepard]

Great. Frontline people should check that out. Oh, yeah, Everyone should just watch more Frontline in general. It's so good.

[Monica Padman]

We did not talk about the substance, so we'll have to talk about it next time because I saw it and we have stuff to discuss.

[Dax Shepard]

We do. We do.

[Monica Padman]

People should try to see it, see it between now and next time, which.

[Dax Shepard]

Is dicey because we also told people to watch Chimp Crazy and then we were a little late on our explanation.

[Monica Padman]

Well, we also want to give people time to see it. Yeah, we.

[Dax Shepard]

To give people the time they need.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, people need time. And that's it.

[Dax Shepard]

All right. I love you.

[Monica Padman]

Love you.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Jude Law]

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[Dax Shepard]

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