Mom's Car: Jackie Tohn

Summary

Armchair Expert – “Mom’s Car: Jackie Tohn”

Date: October 7, 2025
Guests: Jackie Tohn (actor, comedian, singer), Sam Morril (co-host/driver), Aaron Weekley (co-host)
Episode Format: Casual “carpool” conversation, interspersed with Uber Eats pickups, candid stories, philosophical questions, and listener advice.

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Episode Overview

This episode takes listeners on a ride—literally—with Jackie Tohn, best known from “GLOW” and Netflix’s hit “Nobody Wants This.” Joined by Sam Morril and Aaron Weekley, the hosts embark on deliveries around LA, discussing everything from breakout roles and awkward encounters to the moral conundrums of pet ownership and Instagram-era relationships. The tone is rowdy, unfiltered, and full of improvisational humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter and Rideshare Antics

• The trio jump right into the chaos of food delivery, poking fun at the “high performance shitbox” they’re driving.
  • Quote (Jackie Tohn, 01:29): “You pop three AAA batteries in the back of this bitch and she just—”
• They riff on odd food smells, restaurant mysteries, and near-misses with novice violinists.
  • Quote (Jackie Tohn, 03:21): “It smells like someone opened their asshole into my throat. Into the back of my throat.”

2. Electric Cars & Evacuation Stories

• Jackie expresses anxiety about electric vehicles during LA evacuations.
  • Quote (Jackie, 01:39): “Everything scares me. All the fires scared me. Us losing power scared me.… I just got a gas car.”

3. Hidden LA Gems & Odd Car Washes

• Jackie shares a funny story about being locked in a “car wash” that was just an empty parking lot (04:59).
• The conversation veers into the complications of carrying cash and digital tipping.

4. Jackie’s Breakout with “Nobody Wants This” & Jewish Representation

• Jackie recounts surprising recognition and the sensation of being on a “cultural juggernaut.”
  • Quote (Jackie, 07:32): “First one girl came up to me… 'I just love the show and the Jewish representation and the whole thing.'”
  • They discuss the show’s massive streaming numbers: “800 million. Most streamed comedy of all time.” (Jackie, 08:25)

5. Fame, Relatability, and Awkward Medical Moments

• Dax (via Sam) and Jackie swap stories about a notorious podiatrist (“parrot head,” “buffet head”) who was both highly skilled and creepily inappropriate.
  • Quote (Jackie, 10:10): “If you need anything else, you just bring that hot little body back in here.”
• They reflect on shared experiences, boundaries, and humorous medical mishaps.

6. The Glenn Saga: Passing on a Soulmate Dog

• A heartfelt, circuitous tale of how Jackie came to adopt Glenn—the group’s beloved, dander-heavy rescue dog.
  • Quote (Jackie, 24:54): “That’s my soulmate. There’s really no question that he’s my soulmate. I mean, on more than 20 occasions, I’ve cried looking at him…”
• Dax “locks” Jackie in with Glenn for a weekend, spurring her commitment and challenging her previous dog ambivalence.

7. Moral Dumbfounding: Would You Eat Your Dead Pet?

• Presenting the infamous philosophy thought experiment: a family eats their dead dog to “avoid waste.”
• Jackie’s Take (29:23): As a vegetarian, she finds the idea disturbing, but admits the taboo around eating dog is arbitrary compared to other animal meat.
  • Quote (Jackie): “If you eat all sorts of meat…and you are Richard Christie’s family. It’s not the end of the world. Especially if you didn’t kill it to eat it, that would be beyond.”
• The group summarizes: While it’s uncomfortable, food taboos are deeply cultural.

8. Trigger Warnings & Podcast Responsibility

• Sam reflects on listeners requesting trigger warnings on tough topics (e.g., eating disorders or trauma).
  • Quote (Sam, 31:16): “My show’s about addiction and trauma and molesting. That’s what the show is. Do you need to be reminded every episode...?”
  • Jackie empathizes, but stresses the need for listeners to manage their own boundaries.

9. Listener Advice: “Husband Only Wants Miniskirts & Instagrams Girls”

• The Dilemma: A woman’s husband (57) will only have sex if she wears miniskirts; he obsesses over Instagram models in similar outfits. She’s uncomfortable but confused—is this normal?

• Advice Highlights:

  • Jackie: Talk to your partner. Are you, yourself, getting your needs met?
  • Sam: Fantasy life is private—don’t police thoughts, but a lack of intimacy or empathy is concerning.
  • Aaron: Couples should have their own fantasy lives; honesty and communication are key.

• The group wonders if the age gap and possible power imbalance contribute to the dynamic.

  • Memorable Exchange:
    • Sam (38:54): “My just gut tells me this guy has some intimacy issues…objectify her in a way that she fits into this category of what he likes…”
    • Jackie (40:00): “This isn’t the way that I want to have sex all the time. I want to be looking at your face sometimes.”

10. Roleplay, Sexuality & Relationship Openness

• They riff on the awkwardness of sexual routines, fetishes, and fantasy disclosure in long-term partnerships.
• Aaron and Sam share stories of adolescent sexual adventures (“jacked under the table”), leading to humorous confessions and laughter (44:52).

11. Showbiz Anecdotes & “Celebrity Jeopardy” Bragging Rights

• Jackie shares her “Celebrity Jeopardy” underdog story—beating Neil deGrasse Tyson and advancing to semifinals.
  • Quote (Jackie, 48:32): “I won my episode. And then I went on to the semifinals which have not aired yet…”
• Old-school acting tales: booking “Sesame Street” as an 11-year-old after learning to pogo stick and breaking her nose before filming (52:04).

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On the stinkiest Uber Eats order ever:
  • Jackie: “It smells like someone opened their asshole into my throat.” (03:21)
• On fame from ‘Nobody Wants This’:
  • Jackie: “800 million. Most streamed comedy of all time.” (08:25)
• On a creepy doctor encounter:
  • Jackie: “If you need anything else, you just bring that hot little body back in here.” (10:10)
• On adopting Glenn the dog:
  • Jackie: “That’s my soulmate…on more than 20 occasions, I’ve cried looking at him.” (24:54)
• On the dog-eating thought experiment:
  • Jackie: “If you eat all sorts of meat…and you are Richard Christie’s family. It’s not the end of the world.” (29:23)
• On the Instagram miniskirt dilemma:
  • Sam: “My just gut tells me this guy has some intimacy issues…objectify her in a way that she fits into this category…” (38:54)
  • Jackie: “This isn’t the way that I want to have sex all the time. I want to be looking at your face sometimes.” (40:00)
• On “Celebrity Jeopardy”:
  • Jackie: “I won my episode. And then I went on to the semifinals which have not aired yet.” (48:32)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:09–05:30 — Car ride banter, electric cars, weird food pickups.
• 07:30–08:57 — Jackie reflects on fame, Jewish representation, and “Nobody Wants This.”
• 10:10–11:43 — Awkward podiatry stories and medical inappropriateness.
• 22:01–25:40 — The Glenn the dog saga: adoption and commitment.
• 29:23–32:09 — Moral conundrum: family eats the dead dog; wider conversation on food taboos.
• 31:16–32:09 — Trigger warning debate in podcasting.
• 33:19–42:12 — Listener advice: sexual habits, Instagram, and marital satisfaction.
• 48:32–51:18 — Jackie’s “Celebrity Jeopardy” adventure.
• 52:00–54:19 — Jackie’s “Sesame Street” story and breaking her nose right before filming.

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Conclusion

This episode is classic Armchair Expert: raucous, deeply human, and sneakily profound. Jackie Tohn’s comedic energy drives candid explorations of fame, commitment, food taboos, intimacy, and why every dog owner probably ends up in tears. Whether they’re swapping therapy-worthy Uber tales, fielding unfiltered advice, or learning pogo stick skills, the conversation is equal parts warm, self-deprecating, and uproariously honest. A must-listen for fans of sharp-edged vulnerability and the messiness of being truly human.

Transcript

[Sam Morril]

Hello and welcome to Mom's car. Today, one of my friends, Jackie Tone, is on. Jackie is an incredible singer. She's a comedian. She's also a great actor. You would have definitely seen her on Glow. And of course, nobody wants us, but everyone wants us. And everybody wants to hang out with Jackie Tone. What a party she is. Her and Aaron and I, we got it done. Please enjoy Jackie Tone.

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[Sam Morril]

Except.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Morril]

Except all that. Look, I jinxed ourselves in a good way. Here we go. Hang on tight.

[Jackie Tohn]

Kristen's car has never been driven like this. I've been in this car a thousand times. I've never taken that hard a ride. I'm gonna say that right now, this.

[Sam Morril]

Thing is really more capable than meets the eye. This is a high performance shitbox. Wow.

[Jackie Tohn]

Dude, you pop three AAA batteries in the back of this bitch and she just.

[Sam Morril]

Are you in a full electric? No, no, no.

[Jackie Tohn]

I pussed out. Everything scares me. All the fires scared me. Us losing power scared me. Not that you'd be able to get gas any easier if the world ended. I just got a gas car when.

[Sam Morril]

People were getting evacuated from the Palisades. And I was like, well, conceivably there's not a hotel within 60 miles that has vacancy. Cause everyone's leaving. What are these people that had like 30 mile charge on their car?

[Jackie Tohn]

No, there were multiple people stuck in the Palisades. I saw that.

[Sam Morril]

Now that would have been a good thank you.

[Jackie Tohn]

Uber eats. They were very hungry, but people were like, flagging other cars down and they were like, we have an electric car. Can you get us out of here?

[Sam Morril]

Right. Oh, look at this.

[Aaron Weekley]

Fish and chips.

[Jackie Tohn]

Or is it boba meat?

[Sam Morril]

Can I tell you what's already been fun about this? There's a lot of hidden restaurants in our neighborhood.

[Jackie Tohn]

And we only killed two people trying to learn violin. A mother and a daughter.

[Sam Morril]

Of the many people that would be sympathetic to kill. Yeah, a couple people trying to learn violin.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah, Just some sweet angels with backpacks holding violins.

[Sam Morril]

Cause you're not learning to play the violin to get pussy.

[Jackie Tohn]

No, no, no. That's especially if You're a mother and daughter.

[Sam Morril]

You know, you're not in it for the money, you're in it for the art.

[Jackie Tohn]

This has to be the quickest this person's food would ever get to them. We were 50ft away from this. Next time I might have to go in. Aaron already got it.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, he's fucking fast. Look at him, dude.

[Jackie Tohn]

He's already secured the fucking chicken.

[Sam Morril]

Let's go, dude. Now we do a hand up. Okay, so the system is Aaron picks up and I deliver. Oh, wait, ad delivery accept.

[Aaron Weekley]

Oh, yeah, accept that shit. Oh, we're going to El Palo Loco.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, fuck yeah. That's easy peasy.

[Jackie Tohn]

Am I good? Lunch?

[Aaron Weekley]

You're queen launch today already.

[Jackie Tohn]

We're not saying the name of the place we picked up from, right?

[Sam Morril]

Correct.

[Jackie Tohn]

Okay, so I will say out loud that it smells like someone opened their asshole into my throat. Into the back. Into the back of my throat.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, someone got stankered.

[Jackie Tohn]

Am I wrong?

[Aaron Weekley]

No.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, are you gonna be able handle smells? I know. Okay, we got the hot shit stir fry.

[Aaron Weekley]

I'm so afraid. What's in that order? I'm like, is that fish?

[Sam Morril]

My mind goes straight to fish, but maybe there's like some undulant feet in there.

[Jackie Tohn]

I'm gonna vomit. You know what it could be also though, when you cook broccoli, it sort of smells like absolute fart hole.

[Sam Morril]

Fart hole. I don't know how to say this gently, but I forgot to factor in you I didn't like. Maybe the food stink will be too much for Jackie, but now that we're here, I'm like, I'm a little nervous. I will, though, just to comfort you. That's the worst smelling item we've ever.

[Aaron Weekley]

It is, it is. Everything else has made us drool. It smelled so good.

[Sam Morril]

And we'll just have you put your nose in the El Pollo Loco bag to drown out the other smells. You want to move it to the trunk maybe? Yeah, maybe.

[Jackie Tohn]

Why don't we move it to this bus that's driving by? Maybe somebody's hungry on the old move.

[Sam Morril]

It to a trash can. But we still went to their house. And we're like, dude, you didn't want it, but we got you some El Pollo Loco.

[Jackie Tohn]

Cause we got it. We did you a favor. I have a fun see for leasing information on the right up here.

[Sam Morril]

Up there. Yes, yes, yes.

[Jackie Tohn]

So I yelped the other day where to get a car wash. You see those tarps? That's a car wash. And I was in the Area, I had an hour to kill. I was like, what the fuck am I gonna do over here? Middle of Hollywood? Yelp tells me that place is a car wash.

[Sam Morril]

It's a great place to park it.

[Jackie Tohn]

And I'm like, well, it's not a car wash. It's an empty parking lot. But I call one more time, and I'm like, hey, I'm looking for a car wash. And the guy's like, yeah, let me unlock the gate.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Jackie Tohn]

Comes out, unlocks a big chain, pull my car in re chains.

[Sam Morril]

Okay, now you're locked in.

[Jackie Tohn]

Okay. He goes, I lock it. Cause of, like, the people around here. And I said, okay. I hope you don't take any offense to this. I'm a woman alone in a parking lot that you've just chained. So if I could trouble you to just make it look like it's chained, but this way, just for my sanity. And the guy was so sweet. He was like, oh, of course. God bless him. Should I run in this time or. Aaron, you want to go? Nice.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, no. He's so good at this. That. It was crazy.

[Jackie Tohn]

You were so fast.

[Aaron Weekley]

Thank you so much.

[Sam Morril]

And I don't want to make you a target, but what kind of cash will we move around town with?

[Jackie Tohn]

Not a ton. I would say 40, 50, but I'm always refilling it. Joe and I went to an event the other night. We had no cash for the valet. And it feels horrible.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, there's nothing worse. That's what I'm curious about. All these people that are post cash, how they're dealing with tips. Because everywhere I go, it's grease time.

[Jackie Tohn]

Horrible not to tip valet. It makes you feel really bad. And I asked this last guy, I was like, do you take Venmo? I'm happy to block traffic for a minute and figure this out.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

And he was like, just Zell. And I was like, that.

[Sam Morril]

You can't do that.

[Jackie Tohn]

I can't deal with now. I'm opening my bank account.

[Aaron Weekley]

Sure.

[Jackie Tohn]

I'm up in Wells Fargo trying.

[Aaron Weekley]

I only do that for real close friends, truly. Oh, look, he gets to meet. That's Stephanie, I bet.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, my God, Stephanie's kid.

[Aaron Weekley]

Guess what? She doesn't know who the fuck he is anyway.

[Jackie Tohn]

I wish I filmed that. How'd it go?

[Aaron Weekley]

We're like, she doesn't know who he is.

[Sam Morril]

No, no. There's layers of humbling, which is great. Okay, I want to ask you, Jackie, before we get into some questions. You've been on a lot of different things. I'M presuming GLOW was the biggest prior to. Nobody wants this.

[Jackie Tohn]

That's right. Aaron came around and gave me such a shit eating grin. It was cute.

[Aaron Weekley]

I love Jackie.

[Sam Morril]

Let me add this. Aaron requested you.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, I love best friend Aaron Weekley.

[Sam Morril]

I think Aaron's horny for you.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, look, I'm here for that.

[Aaron Weekley]

I'm always fucked up.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

Blood.

[Sam Morril]

I think it's the roller skate party.

[Jackie Tohn]

That's what Danny.

[Sam Morril]

I was like, I talked to Jackie for a while. The feelings were mutual.

[Jackie Tohn]

Everybody knew. Everybody knew Aaron Weekley. He was looking good at that party. His little outfit, come on.

[Sam Morril]

His little captain's out.

[Jackie Tohn]

His little captain suit.

[Sam Morril]

Those big haunches on display, those powerful thighs and ass.

[Jackie Tohn]

I said, let's get involved. Powerful thighs and ass.

[Sam Morril]

Okay, so GLOW is very big show. But my guess is nobody wants this. Just the craziest phenomena to be a part of.

[Jackie Tohn]

I was getting my nails done this morning. First one girl came up to me, she was like, I'm so sorry to bother you. She was on her way out. I just love the show and I love you on the show and the Jewish representation and the whole thing. And she couldn't have been happ. And then I got my headphones back in, kept doing my nails. Then another girl was leaving. She was like, I saw the other girl come up, so I didn't want to come up. And I was like, this is so funny.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, I know.

[Jackie Tohn]

Like a moment and then it's on. It really is. And when the show first aired, see, the thing with Netflix and streamers is, come on, brother. No, this guy has to go at this pace.

[Sam Morril]

I got a lot of go to sayings. I yell out the window of these guys when my kids aren't in the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

Well, I'm ready. Literally got silent. I'm like, I'm tuned the fuck in.

[Sam Morril]

Don't hurt yourself. Don't pull anything.

[Jackie Tohn]

See?

[Sam Morril]

Feel free to go slower.

[Jackie Tohn]

I love them all. Yeah, so this one has been extra special.

[Sam Morril]

You're like in Frozen or a Marvel movie. I think the viewership's that many people.

[Jackie Tohn]

Well, it was 800 million. Most streamed comedy of all time.

[Sam Morril]

Whoa. What the fuck? What?

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah, Most streamed television comedy of all time. But not counting, like, seinfeld and other IPs on a streamer.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie Tohn]

So most people.

[Sam Morril]

Wait, can that be right?

[Jackie Tohn]

But it's times viewed and every time I meet someone, they're like, I've seen it five times. I keep it on while I'm making dinner. I Keep it on while I'm doing laundry. I put it on after my kids go to school.

[Sam Morril]

It's instantly a cult and a hit.

[Jackie Tohn]

And Kristen says, this is second to frozen or even maybe beating frozen. This is mass.

[Sam Morril]

It's so Goliath. We were in New York a few months ago, and I said to her, I'm like, hon, you're too famous to hang out with. Like, I can't walk down the street with you. It's too much. It's overwhelming. It's every third person, and you can't go anywhere. Every third person. And I was like, oh. I kind of thought we knew what it was like, but, no, this is nuts. And then you will love this. I have a very disgusting toenail that died at some point.

[Jackie Tohn]

I may or may not have seen a picture.

[Sam Morril]

Well, you've seen the hack job or mutual.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah, I've seen more pictures of your fucking feet than I literally care for.

[Sam Morril]

Also, we had the same podiatrist, the one who miniaturized one of my toes. I know you're aware of that.

[Aaron Weekley]

You're a guy, too.

[Sam Morril]

No, I've eyes.

[Jackie Tohn]

He miniaturized one of Dax's toes.

[Aaron Weekley]

So he sent you to him.

[Jackie Tohn]

How would you word how? He.

[Sam Morril]

He's chill as fucked up.

[Jackie Tohn]

Mm.

[Sam Morril]

He's a parrot head. No, he's a buffet head.

[Aaron Weekley]

Yeah, parrot head.

[Jackie Tohn]

He was sexually inappropriate with me.

[Sam Morril]

Well, that's where it turned. It was really fun.

[Jackie Tohn]

It was really fun.

[Sam Morril]

And he was so chill. Yeah, he couldn't be more chill. He's always in another country. I did 39 operations in three hours. And you're like, ow. You seem really big. Then he mutilated my tone. And then he said something very rough. I hate this story, but you should tell it.

[Jackie Tohn]

I was in there, and I was in workout clothes as I, 90% of the time am. He was like, so that's all I can help you with? I was like, yeah, thank you. And as I was leaving, he peeks his head back in, and he goes, and if you need anything else, you just bring that hot little body back in here.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, my God. I hate that. Like, that's really what you gotta hear when you go to the doctor from a dude who's, like, 20 years old.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah, I was really yucky. I think I called Dax immediately.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, you were out. That was the last straw. You were still there even though he mutilated my toe.

[Jackie Tohn]

Well, I wasn't having the guy surgerize my freaking toe.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, you're just having to massage your hip.

[Jackie Tohn]

I Was just having him do two in the pink and one in the stink. I would have been numbing with my toes.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, boy. Anyway, so I have this toenail on my left. I discovered this because I used to take Kristen on her birthday every year to get a manicure, pedicure, and we would go together, and that was my, like, offerings. I'm gonna do this with you, cutie. And of course, I would just get my toes done. I would always get this outrageous blue. Well, her birthday rolled around. I mean, this is how fucking blind guys are in general, I think, to their health, right? So we're about to go a year later. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna get blue. And all of a sudden, I realized for the first time, oh, none of my nails are blue except for my left big toe, Meaning they all grew out over a year. This hasn't grown one year millimeter in a year. It's like they painted it yesterday, and I was like, oh, fuck, that nail's dead as hell.

[Jackie Tohn]

I'm gonna vomit.

[Sam Morril]

And that's. That's years ago. Okay. That's years ago. I'm like, ew. I don't know. What do you do with that? Oh, where are we at 5?

[Aaron Weekley]

Don't they usually stay on or, I mean, fall off?

[Jackie Tohn]

They don't usually.

[Sam Morril]

That's what I would have thought.

[Jackie Tohn]

We just passed it on the. Oh, on the right.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. I'll be right back.

[Aaron Weekley]

It's hard to remember what we're doing.

[Sam Morril]

Here, by the way. This is a very upscale area that they got the shit food.

[Aaron Weekley]

Tell them to be careful with that.

[Sam Morril]

I'm gonna tell them to wear. Do you have a nose plug?

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah. Do you guys have a KN95 and.

[Sam Morril]

Some smelling salt and a menthol rub.

[Aaron Weekley]

For your upper lip? So going back to toes. His are the only feet that I'm not gross.

[Jackie Tohn]

Do you think it's. Cause you guys just love each other, and it's like, who gives a fuck?

[Aaron Weekley]

Because if his feet were on someone.

[Jackie Tohn]

Else, I would be gagging. Yeah, you'd be gagging. Your mouth would be full, and you'd have to. I'm trying to think with Kristen. Same thing. Although I don't think, like, any of my girlfriends really gross. Gross me out, boys. You guys are just so much more disgusting than we are.

[Aaron Weekley]

I know.

[Jackie Tohn]

It's just like, absolutely, like, your gross feet. Like, if my toenail died, I would notice the day of.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, y. I would know that.

[Jackie Tohn]

I.

[Sam Morril]

We've got, like, two things going. We've got Male, female. And then we've got like Jew, gentile.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yes, we really do.

[Sam Morril]

So at some point I'm like, I guess I'm gonna take a dremel. Do you know what a dremel is?

[Jackie Tohn]

Of course. Because your wife has her own nail.

[Sam Morril]

Kit and she's got like a nail dremel, but I use the one from the shop. And so I get going on this nail and I take it down and now I can see what's happening. There's a couple year journey with this where I'm dremeling. And now it does start growing, but it's growing disgustingly. It's very fungusy. And I get a spray.

[Jackie Tohn]

And you hadn't been to. I won't say his name.

[Sam Morril]

That was the end of our relationship. When he cut my toe in half and taped it back, it was weird.

[Jackie Tohn]

You didn't go back.

[Sam Morril]

It actually is weird. I didn't go back because I kind of would go back.

[Jackie Tohn]

Elementary school staple, gunned it back on. Got you. Okay.

[Sam Morril]

So the last time I dremeled it down, I could like really see through. And I was, oh, it's black under there. And I mentioned it on the podcast and then enough people wrote back like, you gotta go in. That could be cancer. That's what that blackness could be. So, okay, I go to my general practitioner, although he's not that, he's an internist, he's offended if I call him that. He's about to look at this disgusting tone. He goes, you tell your wife, she's our shiksa. And I'm like, you bet. And then he looks at me, he's like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna send you across the hall. I got a good buddy. I bet he might have an opening. And I'm delighted. I'm like, great, I'm getting a referral and it's happening right now. He's gonna walk me across the hall. I feel so tired. Get in with this guy. Don't know this guy at all. He's just about to get in there and he looks up and he goes, your wife's our shiksa. Same.

[Aaron Weekley]

This is pretty much saying they wanna fuck her, right?

[Sam Morril]

I think also These are like 65 year old doctors. That's when I was like, oh, this thing transcended everything.

[Jackie Tohn]

People in my parents, 55 and over, community. Yes. Every single person loves it.

[Sam Morril]

I've never been in a huge hit. I have no clue. Do you have any clue? When you watched it, did you go, oh yeah, buckle up.

[Jackie Tohn]

Don't you Feel like you're POD is a huge hit.

[Sam Morril]

Huge hit in the podcast world is like a couple million listeners. It's not 800 million. We have a billion streams. But after seven years, mazel tov, by the way. So, yeah, I would haven't told you, but I wouldn't have predicted it would have been successful. I heard it and I'm like, I don't know, is it better or worse than other ones?

[Jackie Tohn]

Should I say this? But it being a smash doesn't really even make it better than others anyway, which is crazy.

[Sam Morril]

Right?

[Jackie Tohn]

Right.

[Sam Morril]

Like, the best movie I've ever been in. The best movie is Zathura, and it tanked. But that's like the most well made.

[Jackie Tohn]

Here's the very quick answer is absolutely not right.

[Sam Morril]

Right, Right.

[Jackie Tohn]

Not only did we not know it was gonna be a hit, we were hopeful, sort of anyone would watch it. I wasn't involved at this point, but I was friends with Kristen and knew that she was. And then the strike interrupted it for, like a year. And then all of a sudden, it's.

[Sam Morril]

Also very Jewish heavy. We haven't seen a huge Jewish hit.

[Jackie Tohn]

Very Jewish heavy. There's obviously in a dicey town. I was gonna say, there's obviously a lot of political shit going on.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. The timing was incredible.

[Jackie Tohn]

Highlight dice. And so we were just like, is anyone gonna watch this? And the people who do watch it, are the numbers just gonna be high enough for the ends to justify the means here? So for it to explode the way it did, it's radical.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. I think it feels like buying a lottery ticket.

[Jackie Tohn]

People were throwing around the term cultural juggernaut.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, of course I was saying it's a cultural phenomena. That's crazy. This is what everyone's talking about.

[Aaron Weekley]

Was it random that you and Kristin got. It wasn't random, no.

[Jackie Tohn]

So I got the audition through my agent, and then I told Kristen, who is my best friend, who I knew was making this show. She didn't call me and go, like, you need to audition for this. She was living her life. And my agent was like, hey, we have an audition for you for this show called Shicks Up.

[Sam Morril]

Well, she was, like, going to the mat for Adam Brody.

[Jackie Tohn]

She was going to the mat, and she's executive producing and creating. And also the part that she thought I was right for wasn't even casting yet. My agents got this audition to play Adam's ex girlfriend, like, the perfect Jewish girl, Rebecca. So I saw Kristin one day, and.

[Sam Morril]

I was like, that's not your skis.

[Jackie Tohn]

No, it was Far more annoying.

[Sam Morril]

No, you're like a super sexy version of what's his ass's wife on Kerr.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, I'll take it.

[Sam Morril]

She's a queen.

[Jackie Tohn]

Cheryl Hines. No, no, Susie Esmond.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, Susie, who is that blessed mess? And she's awesome.

[Jackie Tohn]

Thank you.

[Sam Morril]

So you're like a sexy version.

[Jackie Tohn]

I'll take it all fucking day. So I tell Kristen that I'm auditioning for Rebecca and she's like, wait on that. There's a role. And it was only supposed to be a couple episodes. She's like, but there's a role for Adam Brody's sister in law who is not into the fact that there's this new girl in town. You should try out for that. And so I made a tape and I didn't find out I got it until January.

[Sam Morril]

I heard her on many phone calls going, you don't need to look any further. Jackie was born to play this role. We were on a hike and I said something, you know, bordering on anti Semitic. I said, they're not gonna find anyone that's gonna out Jew Jackie in this role. And she is like what Dice Clay is to the Italians. She's gonna fucking bend this over and ass fucking. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Jackie Tohn]

Ass fucking as falkh it.

[Aaron Weekley]

That's Although Dice is Jewish.

[Jackie Tohn]

Dice is Jewish.

[Sam Morril]

That terrible example.

[Aaron Weekley]

No one wants it.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, the Chappelle. Can we say Aaron, proud of you.

[Jackie Tohn]

For knowing Dice was Jewish. Oh, you know, I almost said it, but I was like, I'm not going to step on the bid. I mean, he is Jewish. Leave it to best friends.

[Aaron Weekley]

I'm going to say it in case you were wondering if I knew or not.

[Sam Morril]

Good for him too.

[Aaron Weekley]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

To me in Michigan, I was like, oh, he's Italian as well. Of course, as a Jew in New.

[Jackie Tohn]

York, I was like, this guy's Italian as well. I got the Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. Jack burnt off his fucking quick.

[Sam Morril]

Chris and I had like a moment where, you know, Dice isn't the most embraced comedian.

[Jackie Tohn]

He's not at the height of his spirit.

[Sam Morril]

Current culture. God damn, did I think he was hysterical when I was like 12. I couldn't get enough of it and so I decided to show her some videos and I'm like, she's gonna hate this. She laughed. That's what I love about Kristen. Her main ethos is funny. Comedy wins no matter what other things she's juggling ethics wise.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah, truly.

[Sam Morril]

Can you even believe? I mean, a big boy.

[Aaron Weekley]

Big bastard. Whoa.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, it's Right here. We're like an inch away.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, boba time. What time is it? It's boba time.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, welcome back, Aaron Manischewitz. What'd you get? What'd you get?

[Aaron Weekley]

Oh, a shit ton of smoothies.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, smoothies, not bobas.

[Aaron Weekley]

I'm tempted to order some for her, but.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, my man's got a bright red Corvette, dude. I hope he's getting some bulbs. Okay, so now we do two fun things. I think they're fun. One is we do a moral dumbfounding philosophical question.

[Jackie Tohn]

Okay.

[Sam Morril]

In a nutshell, moral dumbfounding is you can't really mount an intellectual argument for why it's not moral, but it just feels really bad.

[Aaron Weekley]

I think you're really gonna enjoy it.

[Jackie Tohn]

I agree.

[Sam Morril]

I think for the three of us, could we say, as a safe estimate, baseline, we have loosey goosey morals a little bit. Usually three, maybe relative to not like we're thieves or we hurt people.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah. I would say that certain things are gray area that other people would not think are gray area.

[Sam Morril]

Right. There we go.

[Jackie Tohn]

Nailed it.

[Sam Morril]

That's a gray way to euphemize our lack of morals. Okay, let's start with a moral dumbfounding.

[Aaron Weekley]

A family's pet dog dies in an accident. Instead of burying it or cremating it, they decide to cook it and eat it it to avoid waste. No one else finds out and they enjoy the meal.

[Sam Morril]

Am I wrong that you missed a part where it says they had heard dog was delicious?

[Aaron Weekley]

It's not in here.

[Sam Morril]

It's not? No. Maybe when AI didn't give me the poll, I think a part of that one, because I know this one.

[Aaron Weekley]

Yeah, okay.

[Sam Morril]

Is they also had heard dog was delicious.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, of course.

[Sam Morril]

Okay. So just know that they had heard it was delicious. The family dog died of natural causes in the backyard.

[Aaron Weekley]

Dies in an accident.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, in an accident.

[Aaron Weekley]

So they've heard ducks were delicious to eat, and instead of burying it, they decide to cook it and eat it to avoid waste.

[Jackie Tohn]

To avoid waste is an annoying addendum. It's like, what waste would there be? You'd put it in the ground and then the bugs would get it, and that wouldn't be waste.

[Sam Morril]

Anyway, you could make an argument, this isn't mine. But you could say, well, they didn't then go and buy some beef that night. So they saved their consumption of the beef and didn't waste this available meat they had. Yeah.

[Aaron Weekley]

I feel like it's someone who runs over a raccoon on the road and.

[Sam Morril]

They eat it like I applaud.

[Jackie Tohn]

Like Richard Christie from the Stern Show.

[Sam Morril]

Exactly.

[Aaron Weekley]

That's exactly what I was thinking of.

[Jackie Tohn]

Hi, Richard.

[Aaron Weekley]

We're having raccoon tonight.

[Jackie Tohn]

We're having coon tonight.

[Aaron Weekley]

Richard, this is your dad.

[Jackie Tohn]

This is your dad. Bring your appetite.

[Sam Morril]

And you're a dog owner. And maybe we should talk a little bit about Glen first. Glenn. Cause this is a very fun animal story. I think Glenn's my best guy. I love Glenn. He's the love of your life. No.

[Jackie Tohn]

Erin, can I speak to you?

[Aaron Weekley]

Because Glenn's my normal mom. Is this your Glenn voice? Your Glen talking voice?

[Sam Morril]

She has many Glenn talks.

[Jackie Tohn]

I have many Glen tog. I was just looking for a picture, the best picture of him.

[Sam Morril]

Do you know the history of Aaron?

[Jackie Tohn]

You have to hear this.

[Sam Morril]

Glen was our dog. First we rescued Glenn. And I don't care for dogs all that much, but I love, loved Glenn. Glen was such a sweet boy. He looked exactly like a Glen. I named him Glenn.

[Jackie Tohn]

I think you 100% named him Glenn.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. He was such a soft boy.

[Jackie Tohn]

By the way, best dog name. Anytime I tell anyone his name is Glenn, they fucking bug. And it's been happening about pat him for 10 years. And every time they go, God, that is such a good dog name.

[Sam Morril]

There's no way that you would look at Glenn and then hear his name and have an issue with it. Yeah. No one has ever owned a name as much as Glen owns his name. So the problem with Glen is he's a super dander creator. He has so much fuck dander. And I've never been as allergic to a dog as I was Glenn. Even if he just walked in the room, my eyes were red, my nose was running.

[Jackie Tohn]

And wasn't it happening to Delta, too? Like, wasn't she a baby, baby, baby.

[Sam Morril]

That would make sense. Because I doubt that my own allergies to it would have gotten him out of the house. Because I was allergic to the previous two dogs. And no one seemed to mind too much.

[Jackie Tohn]

No one gave a fat rat's ass.

[Sam Morril]

So I loved Glenn, but we couldn't have him. And then Jackie was visiting so often that she developed a relationship with Glenn. She was living in her house, basically.

[Jackie Tohn]

Was on the floor of the home at all times.

[Sam Morril]

And she fell in love with Glenn.

[Jackie Tohn]

That's true.

[Sam Morril]

And I was like, jackie, we're gonna get rid of Glen. I really think you should take Glenn. Jackie, go ahead. What were your initial thoughts?

[Jackie Tohn]

My initial thoughts were, by the way, this is Glenn's vet right here.

[Aaron Weekley]

Oh, Glenn.

[Jackie Tohn]

My initial Thoughts were, absolutely not. What's really interesting is not only were you not a dog person, you weren't. I was not a dog person when I was at a restaurant and like, someone's dog would be like, at your feet and other people would be like, cutie. I'd be like, we're in a restaurant. Yeah, get the fuck out, get the fuck out. Like you're not like, I don't need your paws on my knee while I try to eat. So I was not into dogs at all. And people used to give me shit and be like, do you think it's fucked up that you want a kid but you don't like dogs? People were giving me, people think it's.

[Sam Morril]

Amoral to not be in love.

[Jackie Tohn]

I was getting shit for it all the time. And because Kristen was rescuing dogs four times a week, it was chipping away at my like, oh, this one's cute. And Shakey, one of her first dogs, was the first dog I was ever friends with.

[Sam Morril]

Same Mac and shaky.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah, yeah. So Shakey was the first dog I was ever friends with. And then Lola, or at the same time. And then Glenn came along and I loved him and he took a liking to me. And I remember saying to them, like, first of all, I live in a one bedroom apartment. I am unemployed. This was in August. And I was like, I'm traveling in December. And Kristen laughed in my face.

[Sam Morril]

Uh huh.

[Jackie Tohn]

She was like, you can't, you can't take a dog cause you're traveling in six months, you'll drop him back off over here, you'll be fine. And Dax was like, listen, can you just take him for the weekend? I need my face to be able to clear up, please. And we'll figure it out. He would knowing full well I was never gonna give back the dog. I go, fine, just for the weekend.

[Sam Morril]

There was literally a moment on the porch.

[Jackie Tohn]

So I'm on the porch and he puts Glen in my arms. I was about to leave without him.

[Sam Morril]

She was not taking him.

[Jackie Tohn]

And he goes, just for the weekend. And he puts Glenn in my arms with a bag of food and puts the leash draped on my should.

[Sam Morril]

It's the most forceful I've ever been, I think.

[Jackie Tohn]

Closes the door, I hear a lock. Locked. And then through the door I hear, and maybe this will help with your commitment issues.

[Sam Morril]

I had two motives. A, I wanted Glenn to be happy. And I knew she loved Glenn. And then also we had had many talk about commitment issues.

[Jackie Tohn]

It was.

[Sam Morril]

And I'm like, this is the perfect way to fucking Immersion therapy. Commitment worked. You might have called with some questions in the morning, but you just never look back. Dog is never coming back.

[Jackie Tohn]

That's my soulmate. There's really no question that he's my soulmate. I mean, on more than 20 occasions, I've cried looking at him. I love this fucking dog.

[Aaron Weekley]

Did Dax say that after he locked the door?

[Jackie Tohn]

Yep.

[Sam Morril]

Nice.

[Jackie Tohn]

That is the cinematic timing that Dax shamble giving you. Every time I hear it go, and maybe this will help with your commitment issues. And I think through the door, I was like, you're a fucking asshole, dude.

[Sam Morril]

I'll worry about my commitment issues. None of your business. Okay, so I bring Glenn up because it's not like you. So as you vote for this moral conundrum.

[Jackie Tohn]

God, you're so good at bringing it back around. You really haven't smoked pot in a long time. I'm proud of you.

[Sam Morril]

You know what it's like to love and cherish a dog. Now, where the Fuck.

[Aaron Weekley]

This is 100, 111 right here at the corner. This is the one. Oh, yeah, 1907.

[Sam Morril]

See, I'm not gonna pull up in their driveway. Cause that's not a good 1907.

[Aaron Weekley]

Likes it.

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[Sam Morril]

At least the kids thought it was hilarious.

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[Sam Morril]

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[Sam Morril]

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[Sam Morril]

Okay, here we go. We've made a fortune today. We might even pay for our in and out.

[Jackie Tohn]

Dax was saying you do Uber in Detroit, and it's fucking madness.

[Aaron Weekley]

It's fun. This would upset Dax, probably, but I don't want to do it.

[Jackie Tohn]

Right.

[Aaron Weekley]

I don't think I'm trying to make ends meet. There is fun stuff going on.

[Jackie Tohn]

We're talking about his Uber.

[Sam Morril]

Dude got in the backseat with a full ski mask on it.

[Jackie Tohn]

No, no, no, no.

[Aaron Weekley]

Not in the morning.

[Jackie Tohn]

This is absolutely going to be a no.

[Sam Morril]

I didn't love that ride.

[Aaron Weekley]

That was my first ride ever.

[Jackie Tohn]

No, it wasn't.

[Aaron Weekley]

Yes, it was.

[Jackie Tohn]

No.

[Aaron Weekley]

And I was like, oh, man.

[Sam Morril]

You want to hear the punchline?

[Jackie Tohn]

Yep.

[Sam Morril]

He drove him to a place of employment. He took his mask off and went in and went to work. And it was a style thing. And I was like, how does one know if it's style or he just robbed a bank? We got to get you to vote on this moral conundrum.

[Jackie Tohn]

This is the thing. I'm a vegetarian. I personally don't eat any meat. I'm gonna sound like such a. A crunchy dickhead, but, like, I think if you're eating all kinds of meat.

[Sam Morril]

Like, what's the death?

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah. Is it that much different? So I obviously don't eat meat and don't think you should eat your dog. And I think that is not the most.

[Aaron Weekley]

When you say it out loud, they.

[Sam Morril]

Don'T want you to eat your dog.

[Jackie Tohn]

But if, like, you eat all sorts of meat, you eat, let's say, road kill, and you eat all this other meat, and you are Richard Christie's family. It's not the end of the world. Especially if you didn't kill it to eat it, that would be beyond.

[Sam Morril]

Now we got a real issue. I just think you have to admit it's very arbitrary what we think you're allowed to eat and not Eat?

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

It's like, yeah, we can eat a deer, we can eat a cow. We can't eat a camel, we can't eat a horse. We can't. You know, like, none of it makes a ton of sense. Aaron, where are you at on it? I feel like. I know, but what do you think? You also are a dog lover and dog owner.

[Aaron Weekley]

Listen, I think anyone is entitled to do that. I don't have a problem with it. I would, because I'm in fucking love with my dogs and they're my soulmates as well.

[Sam Morril]

But I can't imagine that's the other piece of.

[Aaron Weekley]

I would probably fucking sleep with their rotting body until it was in too bad of condition to eat.

[Sam Morril]

Someone said this the other day. I wonder what your two cents is. Let me own. I'm too sensitive to comments. My fault. But someone was mad because a topic came up. Boy, it felt kind of a name to me. But it was like, you should have done a trigger warning. God, I gotta remember the issue. I was like, really? But at some point, my show's about addiction and trauma and molesting. That's what the show is. Do you need to be reminded every episode or at what point could you go like, yeah, I know what this show is like. You're not watching Jerry Springer if you hate chicks fighting in bras.

[Jackie Tohn]

That's right.

[Sam Morril]

You can't watch the show and be upset that that happened.

[Jackie Tohn]

Is the person saying, like, oh, it was their first time listening, so they didn't know?

[Sam Morril]

No, they like the show. That's what's sad. I don't want upsetting these people. They're armchairs and I love them. But it was probably eating disorder. I get that a. That's a very common, like, they wanna be warned. But I'm like, it's Nikki Glaser. Her standup routine is about ED quite often. And this is a show where we talk about trauma. Like, I don't know, am I being overly sensitive or.

[Jackie Tohn]

No, no, I do get it. But it's that same thing where it just becomes a spectrum of, like, you have misophonia. So I have to let you know that someone's chewing. I can't do it and I'm not gonna do it.

[Sam Morril]

I want some responsibility for themselves, which is like, if it's triggering to hear about someone talk about ENI Sar, then listen to Smartless. I guarantee they're never gonna bring it.

[Jackie Tohn]

Up or listen to, like, come.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, there's so many. But if you're listening to one that in the statement is the messiness of being human. And it's all about addiction and stuff. I don't know.

[Jackie Tohn]

I do feel empathy for that person. I just think it's really hard to go through your life expecting everybody to, like, warn you of everything that's gonna happen in your daily life. Every radio show, every tv, everything. It's like, shit's gonna suck sometimes and things are gonna come up. And hopefully you could be doing the work with your therapist or with the people in your life to be like, ah, this came up today and it felt.

[Sam Morril]

I guess my broader point was every single episode would have a trigger warning. Oh, yeah, sure. And at some point, wouldn't everyone know, like, yeah, this isn't a show if you're easily triggered. Right, right, right. But I guess that's the assumption. Okay, let's do an advicey question.

[Jackie Tohn]

Okay.

[Sam Morril]

This is from a listener.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, God.

[Sam Morril]

Now I am sympathetic to the Misophonia people.

[Aaron Weekley]

I'm sorry. That fucker was stuck in my throat.

[Sam Morril]

You're joking.

[Jackie Tohn]

Dax. It's just you and me. Aaron passed. Oh, no. I'll miss him. I liked him.

[Sam Morril]

Should have been a trigger warning. That guy was going to choke to death in the episode.

[Jackie Tohn]

Now that was a trigger warning. I could get back somebody just.

[Sam Morril]

He lost a loved one in a joking accident.

[Aaron Weekley]

He died doing what he loves. He joking on bagels.

[Sam Morril]

Joking on mangoes that he thought was dry bagels.

[Aaron Weekley]

Okay, title is Husband's Looking at Sexy Girls on the gram. And, well, I have a little of a dilemma for context. I'm 37. My husband is 57.

[Sam Morril]

Whoa.

[Aaron Weekley]

Okay, yes, he is a great husband. No complaints. But for a while now, he only wants to have sex if I'm wearing some kind of miniskirt.

[Sam Morril]

Love it.

[Aaron Weekley]

Do it.

[Sam Morril]

But wait, hold on. Are you saying that or is the.

[Aaron Weekley]

No, I'm reading verbatim.

[Sam Morril]

She said, love it. Do it.

[Aaron Weekley]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

Okay, great.

[Aaron Weekley]

She loves it. She does it. But now that's the only way.

[Sam Morril]

Way.

[Aaron Weekley]

It's like, okay, I'm all for looking sexy and role playing. All. But all the time, like, no. So I went on his Instagram and saw he was looking at all kinds of sexy big booty miniskirt girls, whatever. Saw his YouTube and the same. It's not porn, just modeling tiny skirts, booty out, whatever.

[Jackie Tohn]

To be in so much pain and keep saying whatever, like eight to ten times.

[Aaron Weekley]

Okay, My issue is that now that's the only way he wants to do it.

[Sam Morril]

Do it.

[Aaron Weekley]

When and if I dress up, we have a healthy sex Life. No complaints.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, my angel.

[Aaron Weekley]

I will even take pictures of myself with the minis and send to him. He loves it. But for me, it's getting old and I'm feeling a little weird about it. And I don't know why. Is he thinking of them or me? I don't know. Do I have an issue with this? I do, but I don't really. I don't know. But something about this is bugging me.

[Jackie Tohn]

Interesting.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. Well, Jackie, what do you think?

[Jackie Tohn]

I go first?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

Okay. My first thought is, talk to your partner. Of course I'm wondering, has she already brought it up? Because I think if there was only one very particular way my partner was comfortable having sex, I would have to bring it up. Because also, there's two people involved in the relationship. And the way that I want to get started should be taken into account as well as the way that my partner wants to get started. For me, it's more of like a. Well, is she getting hurt, her needs met, and why isn't she bringing that up? And as far as, like, the Instagram and YouTube, you almost gotta break apart this thing. Yes. There's multiple different issues going on.

[Sam Morril]

I'm someone that is of the opinion that you shouldn't care if your partner looks at pictures or watches pornography. I think, like, what's happening in their imagination, you don't really have a right to own that real estate. I think what everyone's fantasy life is, is up to them. And I don't think that that's part of monogamy. I don't think you get to say you're not gonna enjoy pictures of people. Now, I know people who have actual porn addiction.

[Jackie Tohn]

Right.

[Sam Morril]

And it's very destructive to a relationship. So it's like, okay, what version is it? They watch porn a few times a week, or are they, like, watching six.

[Jackie Tohn]

Times a day and they're not leaving.

[Sam Morril]

The porn edging and that they have a free day. They spend eight hours jerking up. Like, that really gets in the way of your relationship and in your life in general. But yeah, yeah, it's an addiction. And there's wreckage. So there's not enough info for me to say, like, does the guy have a problem? I think it's interesting he's not watching porn. It's kind of like a PG version of this.

[Jackie Tohn]

But also, like, is he. And she just doesn't know.

[Aaron Weekley]

She would know.

[Sam Morril]

It sounds like she's all over his IG and his YouTube.

[Aaron Weekley]

A shocker. I agree with you, but I know that's what Makes this show so great. I agree with everything you say.

[Sam Morril]

That's why we have a guest.

[Aaron Weekley]

But I do. Yeah, I do want to say that I think it's so helpful for couples to have their own fantasy life. I can't see it being you're only thinking about your spouse.

[Jackie Tohn]

But also if you say you are, you're lying anyway. And is that worse where you're like, no, I've never thought someone else was hot? Because then.

[Sam Morril]

Right. Yes, you're being dishonest.

[Jackie Tohn]

Right. If you have a partner who's like, you better not be thinking of anyone else, it's like, well, okay, then I'm not. Do you want that to all me to say? I'm happy to say.

[Sam Morril]

Well, and I think people have, like, rungs of this. Right. Like, it seems that it's very common for people to be able to say it about Brad Pitt or Jennifer Aniston. Right, right, right, right. That there's some safe level. The idea of a hall pass is interesting. People are like, fine with that. Like, oh, my hall pass is Brad Pitt. And obviously it's safe because it can never happen. But you're okay with that. Most people are okay with that. Where it gets tricky is, do you think someone's attractive in your inner circle?

[Jackie Tohn]

At work?

[Sam Morril]

At work. Again, I know I'm out on the spectrum on this. I don't think what I'm gonna say is normal. I would think it would be nuts if Kristin wasn't attracted to guys. And I think it'd be nuts if she wasn't attracted to people she knows and works with. I think you just gotta be really clear about what is the thing that's being violated that you cherish. Like I've always said, if Kristen fucked a dude in a trailer and I never found out about it. I don't. If Kristin's involved in an affair and she's not present with me as my partner, and she's not present with the kids and she's lying and juggling this other life. That's a real problem for us. For me, it's not even the sex. It's just like, well, you're very distracted by something, and I need this level of partnership from you and that's getting in the way. But back to this person. My just gut tells me this guy has some intimacy issues. Like, he is objectify her in a way that she fits into this category of what he likes, which is girls in skirts Anonymous Girls in skirts. And he almost needs to make her be this so he can maybe Be sexual with her and not feel shame or something. I just think something is afoot.

[Jackie Tohn]

And so I also wonder if it's like that thing in mating and captivity where it's like, there has to be distance created for you to then be attracted to a person. Which is why it's.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, this is Esther Pere, like, why.

[Jackie Tohn]

Satisfaction die so much in relationships. Cause that person is so available to you and there's that sense of, this isn't her, this isn't them. There's like a little bit of distance there. They're literally like an anonymous bent over pee hole.

[Allstate Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Sam Morril]

And she says modern day romance is like, we want you to be our best friend, our confidant, our lover, our.

[Jackie Tohn]

Business partner, every single thing.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. I'm feeling bad for this girl.

[Jackie Tohn]

Me too. I just want her to talk to him.

[Aaron Weekley]

I'm in bed and I wish she would go to couples to get it out in the open with a third party. I'm a big supporter of that.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, me too. I can only imagine this dude's gonna get defensive when she brings this up. I don't think the approach is for her to go like, I'm worried that you have this thing.

[Jackie Tohn]

Right.

[Sam Morril]

I don't think his thing is your business, nor your right to say. What you should say is like, I need more. I desire more.

[Jackie Tohn]

This isn't the way that I want to have sex all the time.

[Sam Morril]

I want to be looking at judge the way you. You're into it, whatever your thing is. I'm not gonna try to threaten that or talk you out of it. But this is what I need. I need to be in other outfits. I'd like to look at your face sometimes. My hunches. He doesn't. I don't know. It feels very detached and kind of objectified.

[Jackie Tohn]

Cause I think also if they were having fun and she was getting all her needs met. You're only as needy as your unmet needs. You tell. I've been in therapy.

[Aaron Weekley]

Say that. Only as needy as he is.

[Jackie Tohn]

All right, so she doesn't feel seen by him. Cause if she did and then she looked over his shoulder and he was looking a hot ass in a skirt, she'd lean in and be like, oh, cute buns.

[Aaron Weekley]

Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

She would feel involved in the relationship, but because she feels sort of left out to drive.

[Sam Morril]

Sounds like she's been assigned a role.

[Jackie Tohn]

She has.

[Sam Morril]

Like, I need you to do all this and don't need all these people.

[Jackie Tohn]

Right. Which sucks.

[Sam Morril]

Do we dare talk about the age gap?

[Jackie Tohn]

That's the other Thing, I would just.

[Sam Morril]

Be nervous that this. Well, hey, this guy's on fire. I'm not looking at much stuff anymore at 50, this guy's impressive. But I'm gonna guess and it'll offend people. I'm worried about the leverage in the relationship. My hunch is 57. 27. Was it that one? 37, 37, 37, 57. My hunch is he's financially sorted. He's already been married or not. I don't know, I just.

[Aaron Weekley]

That's a good hunch.

[Sam Morril]

I worry about the leverage in the situation and this might just be a symptom of that leverage.

[Jackie Tohn]

Right. It's his house.

[Sam Morril]

Maybe 37 year old girls get deadbeat 57 year olds, but I don't.

[Jackie Tohn]

All right. I doubt exactly.

[Sam Morril]

I think it's low percent. And if you're like, yeah, I own the home and you came into my life and this is my thing, this is what I like. I just am. I'm a little nervous of the overall.

[Jackie Tohn]

Leverage, which I can't speak to, but do not care for and make me have even more distaste for this poor gal situation. Cause it's interesting. It's not the end of the world. It's like a lot of people are in just sexless marriages. It's a nightmare.

[Sam Morril]

It doesn't sound like she's asking for much. She's like down to partying. She'll wear it and she likes it, but she also wants some other variety.

[Jackie Tohn]

Feels like this guy's lucky.

[Sam Morril]

Sounds like this guy's got it made.

[Aaron Weekley]

Yeah, but you can't have it made much longer.

[Sam Morril]

Have you ever had a boyfriend that had like some very specific. It had to be one way.

[Jackie Tohn]

No, not in. It had to be one way. Just people liking certain things. Not that I was grossed out by or not into, but like, oh, that's a twist.

[Sam Morril]

Sure.

[Jackie Tohn]

Okay. Hi. Hi. No, but never, never something where I was like, oh, my God, this is the only.

[Sam Morril]

I would do it. But thankfully I've never been asked to like, wear a police costume and come in the house and role play and bad acting. That would be really hard. I would do it if that's what someone desires.

[Jackie Tohn]

It would be such a turn off for me.

[Sam Morril]

You haven't done any of that? No.

[Aaron Weekley]

Any of that means I don't know how someone can do it.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh, my God.

[Aaron Weekley]

I have a hard enough time.

[Jackie Tohn]

That outfit you wore to the roller skating party. Yeah. Oh, my God. Taking someone seriously.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah. That happens by accident. If you're both in crazy costumes, outfits that's cool.

[Jackie Tohn]

This is so crazy. This has popped into my brain. There's something weirdly hot about Anonymous.

[Sam Morril]

Yes, right.

[Jackie Tohn]

Like if you.

[Sam Morril]

Erica Yong. Did you ever read Fear of Flying?

[Jackie Tohn]

No. Maybe when I was younger. Years and years ago.

[Sam Morril]

Seminal feminists were of course. No, the zipless fuck was her term. She desired the zipless fuck. She wanted to meet like a guy on the train.

[Jackie Tohn]

I've always had that. With like someone in the supermarket.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

Like you just see someone across the supermarket and like within five minutes you're in someone's car. Yeah, but I've never done that.

[Sam Morril]

Aaron has done that.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yes, the supermarket. Fuck.

[Sam Morril]

Well, just. I've never seen records set like this where one time we were in high school and we were at this place we hung out at country boy or restaurant. It was like even lower end of a Denny's.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh my God, I didn't know you could.

[Sam Morril]

And she arrived and I think with my girlfriend Carrie. And then I swear to God, Jackie, five minutes later they were fucking in the bathroom.

[Aaron Weekley]

In 12th grade, I was getting jacked under the table.

[Jackie Tohn]

This is a great story. How did it happen? She just took it out.

[Sam Morril]

I'll eat it with my whole. After he tells you.

[Aaron Weekley]

Yeah, I don't remember.

[Sam Morril]

Aaron has the cutest, most innocent smile. And I have seen many times girls meet Aaron and they're like, oh, he's so safe. I'm gonna be the aggressor. Which is lovely. I've seen it so many times in 35 years. I think girls rightly so when they meet me, they're like, watch out, this guy's horny. He's got an agenda. I'm gonna have my guard up and great. And they should. But I think Aaron's cute smile, his a got us out of every issue we were in in junior high. Every time we were getting yelled at, he would SM and they would send me to the principal's office. Or he could fart in class. He would smile and laugh and the girls would be like, oh my God, that's so cute. How high pitched it was. He was the only kid who could fart in junior high and girls thought it was super cute.

[Aaron Weekley]

Thank you for saying that. Ruthie will never believe me that that happened 100%.

[Sam Morril]

And then we'd be at a restaurant and he'd just smile at a girl and she'd start jerking off onto the table and then they would go to the bathroom and. Yeah, it's hard not to be jealous of somebody.

[Jackie Tohn]

What a delight.

[Sam Morril]

Well, a lot of fast acting. 10 acting.

[Jackie Tohn]

A lot of fast acting.

[Sam Morril]

10 acting.

[Jackie Tohn]

No athletes to be found.

[Sam Morril]

You've had some quick, though. You've had some quick. Quick.

[Jackie Tohn]

I will not be talking about those.

[Aaron Weekley]

Talking about that.

[Sam Morril]

I know some 0 to 60s. 0 to 60s. I have some favorite.

[Jackie Tohn]

He has some favorite mems. Yeah, some favorite mem. In fact, you can cut them out.

[Sam Morril]

I. I told this story recently because, okay, I was filming. My name is Earl. I was guest starring for a week, and the lead actress was not shooting that week. And so I had her trailer. They gave me her trailer.

[Jackie Tohn]

Oh.

[Sam Morril]

And so it's like Friday. It's the last day I've been outside. It's 95 degrees in North Hollywood. That's where we're filming. And I'm outside the whole time. I get back to the trailer and I hear that they've called her in. We finished early and they've called her in. They're actually gonna pick up a Jamie Presley. Yeah. So now I'm getting out of my wardrobe and I have my clothes and I start dilly dallying. You know this story. Cause you're one of the people we told this to. Okay, now I'm really taking my sweet time. I'm naked for a while in a trailer. It's like I'm having an ethical dilemma about it. Just so sexy. I don't know. I'm in her trailer naked, and then I walk by the mirror where you sit at the little table, and I see that my testicles are lower than my penis. They were so fucking droopy from the 95 degree day of shooting in full wardrobe. And I was like, oh, my God, I look like taffy. It was so gross that I, like, ran and got my clothes on. But then Kristen and I get together and I tell her this story, and she goes, let me just tell you right now, no woman wants to walk in her trailer and see you naked. And I'm like, you're probably right, but I would love to walk in my trailer and see a naked woman. So we asked so many people, and the only person we ever asked was you. Where you're like, I don't know, let me see. I walk in my trailer, you're in there naked, and you're like, yeah, I'm up for seeing that. And so I held onto my argument for a decade based solely. You were the only person that said it was. But I was like, okay, there is one.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yes, I did. And Kristen always says she married me.

[Sam Morril]

Yes, exactly. But I just held onto it. And then Lo and behold, Jackie, I don't know if you remember the punchline, but Kristen and I go to Ethan Supleece kids birthday party. There's a hot tub, we're in it and I look to my left and Jamie Presley's in the hot tub. And I'm like, oh, hey, chat, chat, chat. And then I go, oh my God, you could settle about a decade long debate between Kristin and I. And I go, so I had your trailer. I was really dilly dallying. I was naked. What would have been your reaction? She goes, oh, terrified. I'd hate it. Okay, well that's the end of that. We have our resolution.

[Jackie Tohn]

I did not remember the poster we.

[Sam Morril]

Got from the horse's mouth. Let me settle this debate.

[Jackie Tohn]

Here's what's scary about my memory. I remember the story now, of course. And of course I stand by that. I would have been like, oh, cool.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, why not?

[Jackie Tohn]

I would have been like, oh, I'll be right back.

[Sam Morril]

You want me to come in?

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah. Listen, there was a time, gentlemen, I. I was watching myself on Celebrity Jeopardy. Recently, which of course has a hundred insane things about that sentence.

[Sam Morril]

Wait, Jackie, I haven't seen that.

[Jackie Tohn]

I played against Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, good luck. That's not fair.

[Jackie Tohn]

Do you want me to tell you what happened?

[Sam Morril]

Tell me.

[Jackie Tohn]

Well, it's already aired. That's why I can tell you. I'll beat him.

[Sam Morril]

You beat Neil DeGrasse Tyson? Did you win?

[Jackie Tohn]

I won my episode. And then I went on to the semifinals which have not aired yet. So I can't tell you.

[Sam Morril]

Oh my.

[Jackie Tohn]

Until you shut the cameras again, I can't tell you what happened there. But the point of this story is I had a couple friends over just to watch it. Cause I had my friend Brendan coach me because he's a Jeopardy. Champion on Real Jeopardy. So I had him come over and coach me. And as we're watching it on the air, they ask a question and I'm like, fuck. Fuck if I know. And TV Jackie buzzes in and goes, pendulum.

[Sam Morril]

Well, you had gotten dumber since you recorded it a couple weeks before.

[Jackie Tohn]

But I'm just saying, if it makes me feel any better that as you're telling me, it's coming back to me in pieces.

[Sam Morril]

I admire your bravery because a, I've been invited. I watched Jeopardy. For years. Of course I think I'm good. Honestly, I too vain to go there and find out I'm not good. It's too high risk for me.

[Jackie Tohn]

I think it's too high risk for you. Too. But I don't think it's too high risk for me because you're famously very bright. You're famous, Leland.

[Sam Morril]

No, you are.

[Jackie Tohn]

And like, what you've studied in your pod and you know, things like, that's not. That's not what I'm known for. I'm known for, like, having jokes. And it is what it is. And so I thought, if I Show.

[Sam Morril]

Up, couple zero to 60s now.

[Jackie Tohn]

Couple zero to 60s, couple backs, a couple cards. But I was like, if I show up and I just don't look like a huge asshole, I'll be fine.

[Sam Morril]

What I saw was the clip you posted, which is you being hysterical on Jeopardy. Taking huge swings and landing them. And I was like, this is incredible. I think this is the one wildest I've seen someone be on Jeopardy. I was really admiring what you did.

[Jackie Tohn]

When I got a daily double, I was like, ken, I'm never gonna be able to say this again. So I'm saying it now. I'd like to make it a true daily double.

[Sam Morril]

Yes.

[Jackie Tohn]

Even if I fucking lose. Cuz my charity was getting 30k anyway. I'm not gonna win against Neil Degrasse Tyson.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

So what are we doing?

[Sam Morril]

And guess what?

[Allstate Ad Voice]

You are.

[Jackie Tohn]

So guess what?

[Sam Morril]

There's no win for him. He like fought a woman, basically.

[Jackie Tohn]

Correct.

[Sam Morril]

You win, you lose. You lose. You lose, you lose, you lose.

[Jackie Tohn]

At the end of the game, he and the other gal was against Melissa Peterman. She's like, from Reba and stuff. They were Both at about 12 or 13,000 points and I was about 8,000. So I wasn't gonna win, but I was doing okay.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

So then for Final Jeopardy, I was like, well, I'm just gonna go for it.

[Sam Morril]

What was the question?

[Jackie Tohn]

Ready for the clue?

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

The Muppets.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Jackie Tohn]

Really? Celebrity Jeopardy. Like snl. So I was like, okay. In. I think it was Mike Muppets Take Manhattan or the Great Muppet Caper. One box is marked Frog. It has Kerman in it. One box is marked Bear. It has Fozzie in it. One box is marked whatever. And it has this in it. And Melissa said animal.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

Neil said snuffalophagus. And I said the correct answer, which was Gonzo.

[Sam Morril]

Gonzo. Really good work. I almost forgot about Gonzo.

[Jackie Tohn]

Gonzo the Great.

[Sam Morril]

Have you done Sesame Street?

[Jackie Tohn]

No, but I want to. And I was, well, excuse me, ask that again.

[Sam Morril]

Have you done Sesame Street?

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah, when I was 11.

[Sam Morril]

Oh my God. As a.

[Jackie Tohn]

But not as a grown. Not as a groan. When I was a little kid. My agent, Aggie Gold of Fresh Faces Agency.

[Sam Morril]

That was the name of it, Fresh Faces.

[Jackie Tohn]

And I was a kid actor. She got an audition for a kid for Sesame street who could pogo stick. So naturally she submitted me. And they called and they said, can she pogo stick? We really need someone to pogo stick. She said, of course she can. She calls me and she says, you gotta learn to pogo stick.

[Sam Morril]

And what's the heads up? How many days?

[Jackie Tohn]

Two, three, max.

[Sam Morril]

Okay. Wow.

[Jackie Tohn]

My mom, like, I think, borrowed a pogo stick from a family friend. And of course, of course I made this mistake. I pogo sticked on the floor. I would say marble, but we all know it wasn't marble in my house on Long Island. But that's what it looked like.

[Sam Morril]

Yes, it was a tile.

[Jackie Tohn]

The tiley granity moment. These boys shorts exactly the same. And I'm pogoing and I fall forward and I smash my nose. That's him. But still broken.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, wow.

[Jackie Tohn]

And I go to my next door neighbor. Cause my parents weren't home. I was 11. And I bang on his door. Sal Vinti. Salvador Venti. Okay. He lives next door.

[Sam Morril]

Got a goose.

[Jackie Tohn]

Called himself what Could Happen? Ready for what? He called himself Chucky the Love Grenade.

[Sam Morril]

What?

[Jackie Tohn]

Chucky the Love. This is a true story.

[Sam Morril]

Like he was a disc jockey.

[Jackie Tohn]

He literally was a cop.

[Sam Morril]

Okay.

[Jackie Tohn]

But he would be like, if you have any questions, ask Chucky the Love Grenade. Okay? So Sal comes over and I'm like, I bashed my nose. My nose was bleeding. He takes the bridge of my nose and just squeezes it.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, wow.

[Jackie Tohn]

And he's like, I felt something go back into place. And then he's like, wait till your parents get home. My parents got home, then the blood stopped. I never went to the doctor. Never got my nose fixed.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah, mine was broken. And it didn't get fixed.

[Jackie Tohn]

Yeah, it never got fixed. But I forgot. I forgot that the Chucky the Love Grenade thing. That may have been after I booked. I don't remember. Cause then they had to put makeup on me after I booked. Cause I was bruised and.

[Sam Morril]

Did you no longer have to ride the pogo stick?

[Jackie Tohn]

I still did.

[Sam Morril]

How did you do?

[Jackie Tohn]

So I think the order was, I got the audition. My agent said, you need to learn to pogo stick. I learned, then I booked. But all I could do was do it three times in a row, standing still. And then of course, when I got there, they were like, so we'll have you pogo in and pogo out. And I had to lie and be like these floors in the bottom of. It's that. But of course, I just didn't know how to mobile pogo. So after I booked, that's when I cracked my nose in between booking and filming.

[Sam Morril]

Oh, that's so weird. Cause that's my broken nose story too. I had booked a fucking Carl's Jr. Commercial, which I could not book anything. I was so bad. And on the weekend before we shot. How old were we? 22. On the weekend, a guy broke my nose in a fist fight. And I tried to show up and my nose was so fucking big. And my eyes were. I was like, makeup. And they're like, oh, my God. No.

[Jackie Tohn]

I'm like, no, dude, you have a backup for this very reason.

[Sam Morril]

Yeah.

[Jackie Tohn]

They're like, Brian. And the other guy comes right in, replaces you.

[Sam Morril]

Immediately the director just put on my outfit.

[Jackie Tohn]

100%.

[Sam Morril]

Well, Jackie, that was so fun. I'm so glad you joined.

[Jackie Tohn]

I'm so glad we did this.

[Sam Morril]

And you were really a good luck charm. Did you have fun?

[Jackie Tohn]

I had the best car and huggy boys.

[Aaron Weekley]

Delicious.

[Sam Morril]

I love you.

[Jackie Tohn]

I ate all my snacks. I love you, Sam.