Mom's Car: Tim Lovestedt

Summary

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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Mom’s Car: Tim Lovestedt (October 28, 2025)

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Episode Overview

In this “Mom’s Car” episode of Armchair Expert, Dax Shepard is joined by his old friend and improv collaborator, Tim Lovestead, for an unfiltered, nostalgic, and often hilarious conversation about friendship, career journeys, the unpredictability of showbiz success, and the quirks of their youth. With the signature Armchair warmth and vulnerability, the conversation digs into the contrasting experiences of Dax and Tim during their Groundlings days, their wins and setbacks, and the deep bonds that have kept them friends for three decades.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Brad Pitt Episode Recap (01:07–07:05)

• Dax’s Recent Brad Pitt Interview: The episode opens with Tim’s shock that Dax recently had Brad Pitt as a guest.
  • Dax describes Pitt as being in a great mood, relaxed, and fun—“even if I don’t get anything story-wise new, you’ve never seen him like this in an interview. He’s just having so much fun.” (Dax, 01:24)
• Dax’s Brad Pitt Bit: Dax shares the anxiety of Pitt discovering his famous on-air “crush” routine, including a story of guest-hosting Ellen where Pitt reciprocated the joke (“I have a pretty big crush on Dax Shepard”)—a surreal and validating moment for Dax. (02:24–03:33)
• Pitt’s Approach to Interviews: Discussion of Pitt’s rarity on late-night interviews and his affinity for topics like cars and Formula One, interests he shares with Dax.
• Behind-the-Scenes Notes: Recording schedules, episode releases, and Dax’s production process.

2. Drinks, Old Jobs & LA Memories (07:47–15:43)

• Tim’s Wine Job and Drinking Habits: Tim explains the odd reality of working in wine while not being much of a drinker, and his moderation approach.
  • “You have the healthiest relationship with drinking, annoyingly so, that I’ve ever seen.” (Dax, 08:07)
• Tall Boys & Movie Nights: Reminiscence about bringing Coors Banquet tall boys to see truck-driving movies like “Black Dog” and loving semi-truck flicks as kids.
• Grocery Store Tales: Tim’s stints at Vons and Gelson’s, and blowing out his ACL while working at the checkout—experiences emblematic of their pre-comedy grind.
  • “He has an impressively girthy head… smart, handsome and well endowed.” (Dax, 00:00—episode intro joke)

3. Finding Comedy, Groundlings Years & Friendship Origins (15:43–23:46)

• Getting into Comedy & Meeting at Groundlings: Dax and Tim detail their origin story: friends via Kareem, early improv experiences, and becoming close through hanging out, cooking meals, and exploring LA.
  • “I’m kind of proud of myself for that invite. Because it’s so romantic at that age—‘do you want to come over and I’ll cook you dinner?’” (Dax, 16:56)
• Groundlings Struggles and Structure: Tim describes the audition/review process, setbacks, and eventual acceptance into Sunday Company alongside Dax, after an initial disappointment.
• Importance of Teamwork and Shared Creativity: The value of being part of an ensemble where creativity flourished, even if recognition or commercial success didn’t always follow.

4. Survivor’s Guilt & Showbiz Luck (23:13–28:43)

• Hit the Jackpot Reflection: Dax opens up about his “survivor’s guilt”—feeling he won the career lottery while others, equally (or more) deserving, did not. (25:40)
  • "The notion that some people hit the jackpot and some didn't feels terrible on my side..." (Dax, 25:40)
• Handling Peers’ Success: Both recall witnessing friends like Kristen Wiig, Ben Falcone, Melissa McCarthy, Caitlin Olson, and others attain significant fame, and grapple with the mix of pride and bittersweetness that comes with being part of such a talented group.
  • “There’s so much in the world I can’t control... that’s timing and luck.” (Tim, 26:44)
• Magic of the Sunday Company Era: Both affirm that the joy of sketch comedy and being on stage with friends was as good as it gets, regardless of career outcomes.
  • “It never got better... That was it. Being in the Sunday Company, having a show to do on Sunday—it’s about as great as it ever felt.” (Dax, 27:34)
• Competitive Environment: The competitive nature of Groundlings is discussed candidly—counting sketches, fearing ejection, and how pressure equaled both stress and growth.

5. Friendship Longevity & Handling Setbacks (28:55–33:46)

• Famous Friends & Staying Grounded: Tim talks about coming to terms with friends’ varying levels of fame—“my friends are going to be my friends not because they’re famous, but because we are friends.” (Tim, 30:28)
• Maintaining Community After Groundlings: Dax admits envy at Tim’s ability to maintain deep connections to the Groundlings community, whereas Dax’s flourishing film career took him away from those roots.
• Processing Rejection: Both share the emotional and practical aftermath of being cut from Sunday Company, and how that energy drove them elsewhere—Tim went back to college, Dax into movies.

6. Lies We Tell & Borrowed Glory (40:32–47:13)

• Tall Tales & Self-Mythologizing: The hosts and Aaron (another guest) swap funny, revealing stories of the harmless (and not-so-harmless) lies they’ve told to appear tougher/cooler/more accomplished in new social circles—like Dax claiming to have trained at the famous Kronk Gym, and Aaron lying about being a Marine.
  • “With Guy now, going on 21 years. I still text him, he probably still thinks I trained at Kronk Gym with Tommy Hearns.” (Dax, 41:21)
  • “I have been telling people I was a Marine. Which came with a lot of stories, because once you commit…” (Aaron, 41:50)
• Owning and Letting Go of Exaggerations: They joke about adopting friends’ stories as their own and the confusion that arises from decades of overlapping memories.
  • “Half the stories that any of those guys tell about skateboarding, I have adopted because I love skateboard culture...” (Tim, 44:39)

7. Reflecting on Friendship & Fathers (48:20–end)

• 30 Years of Friendship: Dax and Tim acknowledge the rarity and depth of their decades-long friendship, surviving all the twists of life and career.
  • “We’re like 30 years into friendship.” (Dax, 48:22)
• Fathers, Mortality & Beating the Odds: The trio touch on their fathers’ young ages at death and how they’re outliving—or trying to outpace—their old men.
  • “We’re going to beat our fathers.” (Dax, 48:27)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “There’s no form of conveyance I wouldn’t have joined him (Brad Pitt) on. Carry me on a jackass’s back up a fucking hill just to hang out with you.” – Dax Shepard (02:01)
• “I have two of you in my head. I have a dude I know, and then I have Brad Pitt... Do you have that with anyone?” – Dax Shepard (03:40)
• “You have the healthiest relationship with drinking, annoyingly so, that I’ve ever seen.” – Dax Shepard to Tim (08:07)
• “Nothing ever happens. Oh, what an innocent era. We had a .30-06 and a 12 gauge shotgun in the theater.” – Dax Shepard recalling old sketches (22:08)
• “It never got better... That was it. Being in the Sunday Company, having a show to do on Sunday—it’s about as great as it ever felt.” – Dax Shepard (27:34)
• “My friends are going to be my friends not because they’re famous, but because we are friends.” – Tim Lovestead (30:28)
• “I always liked being part of a team... I just carried on with it.” – Tim Lovestead (31:52)
• “I boxed a guy on an I (beam) while building a skyscraper.” – Dax Shepard, mocking the escalation of self-mythologizing (46:17)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:07 – Brad Pitt interview revelations, helicopter story
• 07:47 – Tim’s wine job, healthy drinking habits
• 08:49 – Nostalgic tales of movies, “Black Dog,” and tall boys
• 15:43 – Groundlings era, meeting through Kareem, LA origins
• 23:13 – Survivor’s guilt and assessing who “makes it” in showbiz
• 27:34 – Peak moments at Sunday Company
• 31:22 – Maintaining (and missing) Groundlings friendships
• 39:39 – Cultural awkwardness, lying to fit in, Swedish/American differences
• 41:02 – “Lies We Tell”: Marine/Kronk Gym stories
• 48:20 – Friendship milestones & reminiscing about fathers

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Tone and Style

The episode is rich in camaraderie, loaded with self-deprecating humor, and unwaveringly candid about insecurities and nostalgia. Dax and Tim’s chemistry is easy and relaxed, alternating between raw pathos and absurd reminiscence, with frequent digressions into stand-up style bits and affectionate ribbing. The tone is warm, irreverent, and at times deeply reflective—summing up what longtime listeners love about Armchair Expert.

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Transcript

[Dax Shepard]

Hello and welcome to mom's car. Today we have another old friend of mine, Tim Lovestead, one of my first friends in la. We did a lot of the Groundlings together. He's incredibly funny. He has an impressively girthy head. He's smart, he's handsome and well endowed. Please enjoy Tim Lovestead.

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[Dax Shepard]

But now that Pitt did video, I think it's kind of over. We'll just tell people like, well, Brad Pitt did video.

[Tim Lovestead]

Wait, you f. Ing had Pitt?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, last week.

[Tim Lovestead]

No shit. So just give me a minute on that.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, let me fire up the app.

[Tim Lovestead]

Did you fucking spray? Was he fucking great?

[Dax Shepard]

He was awesome, Tim. It was so wonderful and all I could have hoped for. He came in in the best mood, so casual and he mostly just was really happy and having a lot of fun. And I was like, even if I don't get anything story wise new, you've never seen him like this in an interview. He's just having so much fun.

[Tim Lovestead]

And did he know sort of your legend with him and all that shit, like all the bullshit you've talked about?

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I had to tell him cause you know, I met him in aa, he found out I was going to a track day he was going to. And he asked if I wanted to ride up with him on a helicopter. And I was like, yes, I'd fucking.

[Tim Lovestead]

Go on donkey back. Are you fucking kidding?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, there's no form of conveyance. I wouldn't have joined him on carry.

[Tim Lovestead]

You on a jackass's back up a fucking hill just to hang out with you.

[Dax Shepard]

Absolutely. So I say yes to this. And now I have this new fear where like, what if he discovers that? My last eight appearances on Ellen, all I've talked about is him. Like, I don't want him to get scared that I'm a weirdo.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So I did have to say to him, I'm like, hey, you need to know I do this bit pretty often. I certainly have done it a lot on Ellen. Where I go on and I talk about how in love I am with you, but no reason to worry. And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah. He had a good sense of humor about it. Of course you wouldn't have seen this, but then I was a guest host of Ellen while she was out of town. And when I got there they said, hey, so we're gonna have a surprise for you while the show's going on. Just know that we're gonna show you a clip at some point. And I'm like, okay. So I do the monologue and everything. I sit down and I say, they're about to show me something, I don't know what it is. And then what they show Brad Pitt was on the week before and it hasn't aired yet. And it's a clip of Ellen saying to Brad Pitt, I don't know if you know this actor Dax Shepard, but he has quite a crush on you. And then they show him a montage of all the insane stuff I've said about him getting the painting of me and him together. Yeah, I'm like half terrified of what his reaction when they come out of the clip package. And he goes, well, I have to tell you something, Ellen, I have a pretty big crush on Dax Shepard. And they're filming me and I'm the host and I'm just like laughing uncontrollably and can't believe he said that in public. One of the things I brought up with him, I was like, look, I have two of you in my head. I have a dude I know and then I have Brad Pitt and I'm not letting go of that. And I just juggle those two things and they're different. Do you have that with anyone? And he's like, yeah, I do. I had it with Redford. He goes, I have it with Sean Penn. He's still the dude I wanted to be and he's still Sean Penn, but then he's also the guy I know. And I was like, okay, good. I'm glad to know that it's not just me.

[Tim Lovestead]

That's incredible.

[Dax Shepard]

That was lovely though.

[Tim Lovestead]

And is that a hard out on that? Is it like you get 60 minutes?

[Dax Shepard]

So they told us hard out at 3:30. I think he was 2pm But I had a hunch they're just being protective. So a, he was 10 minutes late. So then who knows where we're at in that? But dude, we hit the two hour marker and he was showing no signs of wanting to go or anything. So yeah, it was a good like 2, 20, maybe n. And what a.

[Tim Lovestead]

Fun like for him too, because he doesn't do at least as far as. I mean, I'm not the media connoisseur, but he doesn't do a lot of that stuff. So I'm sure you guys were going through all kinds of fun stuff and he probably gets a kick out of it more than anything.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, he just had a great attitude about the whole thing. And yes, I was shocked as I started doing my research on him. Usually I have so many different interviews I can watch of people, and there's shockingly little amount of him in interviews. He doesn't go on the late night talk shows, really. You know, he's done Ellen, he did Oprah.

[Aaron]

I can't think of ever seeing him on a late night. Yeah, I'm sure he's done it.

[Tim Lovestead]

Did you guys talk about Jesse James?

[Dax Shepard]

No. I knew he would want me to talk to. Oh, my God.

[Tim Lovestead]

I'd spend two hours just on that movie.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you might have not been the right man for the job. Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

Nope. I would have honestly been so specific and weird with my questions. It would not have been good.

[Dax Shepard]

You take a pause mid word. Not even a beat between words mid word.

[Tim Lovestead]

I'm having an argument with myself. Is that a trout or a salmon underneath the frozen lake when you shoot down at the wild? Yeah, it would have been bad, but.

[Dax Shepard]

I had read that in a previous interview when describing where he's from, Springfield, Missouri, he says, you know, it's Mark Twain country. It's Jesse James country. So I do think he definitely identifies with that part of it.

[Tim Lovestead]

God, that's a good one.

[Dax Shepard]

I think Monica summed it up best. Well, luckily, because all the Formula one stuff was at the end, and once we were talking about cars and motorcycles, he was like, ignited.

[Tim Lovestead]

Was that sort of the fulcrum of why he came on? Of course, you've always wanted him. But the F1 thing just sort of.

[Dax Shepard]

Delivered him 10 little things, right? Like he had to bring Cooper out on stage for something. And at one point he said, like, give me some things about Bradley. I have to bring him out on stage. And as a thank you, I'll do armchair expert. Like, he just kind of threw that out there. And I'm like, yes, here's 10 funny jokes about Bradley. Like, he's kind of flirted with doing it. But then if you're gonna talk about Formula one on a show, I'm not saying we're the best podcasts in the world or anything, but you're not going to find a single person in show business that knows as much about Formula One as I do. So if you want to talk about how nitty gritty they got, you really can only come to me. Arnett likes F1, but I don't know the specificity. It's true. Brad did a ton of the driving. We've been on the motorcycle track together, so I think that was a big element of it.

[Tim Lovestead]

That's amazing. I'm so proud of you.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, thank you. When are you daring it so it'll come out on Wonder Plus Monday, Monday. And then wide the following Monday.

[Tim Lovestead]

Let's say you recorded today with your guest. How long does that take? What's the turnaround on that?

[Dax Shepard]

It really depends where they're at in the schedule. So like we will interview people where their projects may be a full month out, a month and a half out.

[Tim Lovestead]

Oh, so you sort of time it for.

[Dax Shepard]

She just edits as we need to do the fact check. That's like her finish line of when the edit has to be done so that she'll have had gotten her facts and everything. And then also it's going to be coming out within five days. So all that needs to be. There have been like crazy quick turnarounds where it's like last minute we get a guess and it has to come out in four days. And the dream is when they give me a month. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like someone just pitched for a book in September. I'm like, yes, that's exactly what we need. What was your day, Tim?

[Tim Lovestead]

Well, I work in wine, so I was all over Burbank, Glendale and Eagle Rock just getting counts because it's the beginning of the month. So I was getting counts on the floor cases.

[Dax Shepard]

Like how many have sold?

[Tim Lovestead]

No, no. What we have on the floor, like displays. So my rep is in Budapest right now.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Tim Lovestead]

So I'm covering for her. And then that was it.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you think they couldn't have picked a better person to represent a wine product? Because you have the healthiest relationship with drinking annoyingly so that I've ever seen.

[Tim Lovestead]

It does get crazy when it crosses over into like. So are you a Merlot guy? Are you a Chardonnay? I'm like, yeah, I'm not really into any of it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I'm a high life guy. If forced to drink some whiske.

[Tim Lovestead]

I like to know duels. I don't know.

[Dax Shepard]

Do you have duelers?

[Tim Lovestead]

I'm a dollar.

[Dax Shepard]

But you also will party. Cause when we were first becoming friends, which I think we should get into the origin of that. You were definitely like, hey, there's a Patrick Swayze semi truck driving movie coming out. I'll come over with a six pack. Let's go to the theater with a six pack and watch this semi movie.

[Tim Lovestead]

Well, I don't mean to step on your toes, but they were Coors Banquet tall boys. This is where my drinking gets a little weird. If you make a tall boy available, I'm in. And especially, like at the ball game, the Kings game here in la, your hometown favorite. Oh, yeah, they have tall boys. I don't know if it moderates my drinking. Cause I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna have that.

[Dax Shepard]

You have plenty. You don't need to rush. You don't need to panic.

[Tim Lovestead]

Right. And I love a tall boy. And that's what we did. Was that Black Dog? Was that the name?

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Black Dog?

[Aaron]

I was just about to say Black.

[Tim Lovestead]

Dog with Randy Travis.

[Dax Shepard]

What a premise. Every truck driver will eventually see the black dog when he's too tired to drive. That was like the threat of the. Am I wrong? That was the whole movie was about. But also, oh, tired.

[Tim Lovestead]

Whoever wrote Black Dog. The great thing about any movie involving truck driving, you're just the potential gritty sequel to Smokey and the Bandit. Cause that's the only reason why we were there. Yes. Is we were like, well, it's trucks. But do you remember, first of all.

[Dax Shepard]

If you had semis in your movie? I was there also. Maximum overdrive. I don't think I was ever more excited for a movie. I'm like, wait, the semis go crazy. Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

Or Convoy. It's like, yeah, it's Kristofferson. I don't even know who the fuck that is. But it's trucks.

[Dax Shepard]

It is semi.

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Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

When you're a little boy, semis are awesome. Oh, man.

[Tim Lovestead]

I just remember, also, I had at a summer camp, this counselor. We would have to go to, like, a lake or out to the beach. And you're on the freeway. And he would want us on the opposing traffic. He'd be like, guess the truck before it gets close. And you got really good at, like, White Freightliner Kenworth or like Peterbilt or Mack. And so you'd be able to pick those trucks out. It was such a weird skill for you, weren't you?

[Dax Shepard]

Or you weren't a boy.

[Tim Lovestead]

No, no. I was nine. But you didn't know you were a big race.

[Dax Shepard]

You were a fucking sissy.

[Tim Lovestead]

But what a weird skill set to develop as a child.

[Dax Shepard]

So you could do that. Though you could eventize like having a six pack of tall boys and really dial into what is so joyful about that. Zero interest to have more than one or two.

[Tim Lovestead]

I was always good at moderating my alcohol.

[Dax Shepard]

And the irony that you got a DUI and I didn't.

[Tim Lovestead]

The.

[Dax Shepard]

No, I would be going to pick you up.

[Tim Lovestead]

True. And the worst part is. Yes. Bailing me out and the fact that I was in the jail that my dad worked at. Yes. And I'm sitting there, they're like, love's dead, huh? I'm like, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron]

Was he on duty?

[Tim Lovestead]

No, he had retired years ago. And there was probably two or three people who knew him.

[Dax Shepard]

He retired before he died. Because he died really young, right? He did.

[Tim Lovestead]

He retired in 87 at what age?

[Dax Shepard]

30, 28.

[Tim Lovestead]

No, but he did. He retired at like 49th birthday. 41 or 42. Like really young.

[Dax Shepard]

And was that standard back then?

[Tim Lovestead]

No, he had been in for, I would say maybe 18 years. And he had health issues. I mean, he did not take care of himself.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you said he was an LAPD detective. I think it's implicit that he didn't take care of himself. Right.

[Tim Lovestead]

In the 80s and especially back then.

[Dax Shepard]

Was he smoking cigarettes?

[Tim Lovestead]

Smoking and drinking every night. And I think it's probably the reason why I never liked drinking too much. We all have the drunk family members that ruin it for us.

[Aaron]

I love a tall boy, too. Well, you know, I'd love it how it came in any size, but I was always doing quick math. At the liquor store, you go to the cooler and you got a 12 pack a case that's maybe on sale. Three tall boys for five bucks or something else going on. And I go, all right, how many ounces is in this deal? Then I gotta add the fucking Michigan deposit on there.

[Dax Shepard]

Cause the most thinking you had done.

[Aaron]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Really kept yourself sharp by going there, crunching those numbers. Yeah, My thing was, you remember when you come see me when I lived in Santa Monica, my hack was I had figured out the 32 ounces of high life for $1.19 at Savon. I'm like, you model that out, that's a six pack for three bucks. Like, what are we talking about?

[Aaron]

You introduced me to the 32 ounce. I didn't even know they made such a thing.

[Dax Shepard]

A beer. Yeah. No one wanted it. So they were always slashing price. People like, what is that? I'll just get a six pack if I want to drink 30 plus ounces of beer. My preference, of course, is the worker. Now, did you and I dub it that or did Nate and I dub it that?

[Aaron]

I of course, feel like I was.

[Dax Shepard]

Involved in the worker. So the tall boy's 16 ounces and the worker's 24 ounces. Two. Two cans of beer.

[Tim Lovestead]

That's what I'm referring to is the worker.

[Dax Shepard]

The worker. Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah, I like that one.

[Dax Shepard]

The worker is the way to go. You got to earn that beer.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

That's made for the big boys who.

[Tim Lovestead]

Did a lot of work.

[Aaron]

When you get off work.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, you know what, you're allowed to have that at lunch also.

[Tim Lovestead]

You had to be deliberate with it because if you weren't, it got warm in your. And the beer tasted like piss by the time you got through.

[Aaron]

Yeah, you couldn't.

[Tim Lovestead]

You had to really get after it.

[Dax Shepard]

There's a time crunch. There's a ticking clock.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah, we're on the clock.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Ok.

[Aaron]

There we go.

[Dax Shepard]

But that's. That's a juice going to be an.

[Tim Lovestead]

All day one box.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that's.

[Aaron]

That's going to be like.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, this might get messy. Our favorite place.

[Allstate/Uber Eats Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

We have picked up from here about half dozen times now.

[Aaron]

What was the store you worked at?

[Tim Lovestead]

Vons.

[Dax Shepard]

Vons.

[Tim Lovestead]

And then I worked at Gelson's.

[Aaron]

Why do I picture you in there?

[Tim Lovestead]

Well, I worked there forever.

[Dax Shepard]

I know.

[Aaron]

I'm like, did we see you? Did I see you in there?

[Tim Lovestead]

You guys might have rolled in there.

[Dax Shepard]

There's some stories that have taken place at the grocery store that I always tell. Like first and foremost that Tim blew his ACL out just standing using the end of like hit the dash.

[Tim Lovestead]

It was one of those pains that was so whatever it was, it was something in my leg where I couldn't move or it stung me. And I was in the check stand. I'm like, what? So then they put me on light duty and I had to sit in the manager's office and like stamp these papers, you know. The punishment was way worse than the pain. By the way, that food smells fucking.

[Aaron]

Oh yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Go ahead, take a little bite.

[Aaron]

Yeah, open it up.

[Tim Lovestead]

Can we get a little careful.

[Dax Shepard]

What are we doing? But it was interesting, like when we were all at the ground lanes. So maybe I want to go chronologically how we get to the ground lanes. But just the notion that people had all these different jobs. Most people were waiters. A lot of people were doing enough commercials that they were kind of self sufficient, didn't have jobs. I was working at shows and shoots. And then Tim was in the union.

[Tim Lovestead]

Well, no, I was like A clerk and a checker throwing product, doing all that stuff. But, you know, as you get older and you look back, it's like there were people that didn't have to work. Like, what an advantage to have that kind of capital. Where you were like, yeah, all I do is audition and I take extra classes and I'm always available if you want to write a sketch. My time was so regimented. It was like, look, I can write for maybe an hour and a half in the morning.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. That had to be really challenging.

[Tim Lovestead]

Not just me, but for a lot of people. Because you didn't have that clean slate and all that money where your rent was being paid. And it was such an advantage.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, big time. Okay. So we met through Kareem, who we had met in Santa Barbara on our road trip. And then I looked him up when I got here and he had mentioned, like, groundlings is something. Like, I didn't know how to get into comedy. And he was who told me how. And then you guys had already known each other from a different comedy.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah, we were at a theater in the Valley where we were doing improv. But I loved Kareem. Cause he had a little bit of a fearlessness to him. I just wanted to hang out with that guy. Like, he was super funny.

[Dax Shepard]

Remember he was doing the alternative comedy thing. I just remember going like, oh, it's so scary. Like, all these guys are so good. Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

And he also pushed the limits on that. He was doing things that people back then were like, what are you doing? So then you and I had met, and I remember we hung out outside of Kareem, which is always a weird thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, that's the thing. I remember I invited you over to my house.

[Tim Lovestead]

I think even something that's simple to watch a movie or not.

[Dax Shepard]

I think I was cooking you spaghetti.

[Tim Lovestead]

Oh, with the carrots in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was delightful.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm kind of proud of myself for that invite. Cause it's so romantic at that age. I'm basically like, hey, do you want to come over and I'll cook you dinner?

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah. But again.

[Dax Shepard]

But you weren't scared at all.

[Tim Lovestead]

No, because I'm tuned into the Midwest thing and I'm like, yeah, this guy who I just met is going to make me supper. Let's go, like, party. Carrots in it.

[Aaron]

Might have a nap afterwards.

[Dax Shepard]

Tonic. We'll go for a light. When you leave there, you're going to see better than you've ever seen.

[Aaron]

Throw those glasses right in the garbage.

[Tim Lovestead]

You Made me like a beet salad with a Greek salad.

[Dax Shepard]

Greek salad, yeah.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

That was when I had gotten the recipe for the dressing. But it yielded, like, eight gallons because that's what the restaurant would use. I was cutting it down as much as could be cut down. But at some point, some of the ingredients wouldn't work. So I did have to commit to, like, I made two and a half gallons of distressing. So I was constantly trying to get people to have Greek salad at my house.

[Tim Lovestead]

It was delicious, that Greek salad. And then we hung out.

[Dax Shepard]

We hung out a ton in my memory. Yeah, we became really good buddies. I feel like we were similar in that. Like, it did not take much. Let's get in the car and go drive around Hollywood and see what kind of weird shit's happening.

[Tim Lovestead]

We also sort of work invested in it. I know that sounds weird to say. We liked making fun of whatever was happening for the sake of making fun of it. I don't really care that there's other people here. I just want to make that guy laugh. So we were just making each other laugh the whole time.

[Dax Shepard]

A lot of nights spent driving around, then a lot of nights going up to Kareem's. And then Kareem would move throughout the city and he'd introduce us to kind of a whole new way of things. And he was in Hollywood just like out of Swingers. We'd end up going to these parties in the Hollywood Hills that none of us were invited to. And you'd take eight cars. He was kind. Kind of our gateway.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I feel like I started Girlings before you, but then I had a big break. And you started after.

[Tim Lovestead]

I was thinking about this the other day. So we were friends. I had gone through that advanced part where you basically do two shows. And after those two shows, they're separated by five or six weeks. I forget the exact amount, but you do five weeks of classes, then there's a show, another five weeks, then you do a show. And based on those two shows, they decide if they want you in the Sunday Company.

[Dax Shepard]

What?

[Tim Lovestead]

They had decided that they wanted to have me repeat. And it was really disappointing. I loved the people that I was with. Andrea Savage was in that group. Jim Cashman, Steve Little. Those were my people. And I was definitely disappointed. And then I got reignited into it after a while.

[Dax Shepard]

Really quick. Was there a battle, though, with your pride at that moment? Like, I can't repeat.

[Tim Lovestead]

I don't know if I was like, oh, well, that was a big injustice or whatever. I didn't have that issue. But of course you're disappointed because in your mind you're like, okay, well those are my friends. I'm gonna go up with them and we're gonna be in the Sunday company. So then what happened is after some time they had called me and said somebody had quit from the current advance show. Did I wanna hop in? You guys had already started. And that was your group with Caitlin and Josh, which I had had a.

[Dax Shepard]

Huge gap between level three and four. Cause I was going to UCLA and whatever other reason.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yes. And I knew that you were in. It was mar. I said, you know, Mary Jo, let me call Dax. Because my thing was like, well, this is your experience. I don't want to be like your buddy showing up in your advanced late doing fucking Tim Lovestead shit. Like yelling and screaming at the audience. And you were obviously awesome about it. You were like, if you want to do it, I mean, we've already been in for a couple of weeks. It's one of those decisions where I was like, yeah, of course I want to do it with my buddy. Who gives a shit?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

And we did it and it ended up great. Like we both went on to Sunday. But yeah, it was a little daunting because you got. Had already known each other and I didn't really know anybody. Was Larry in our group? Yeah, Larry. I knew Larry.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah. I remember being so jealous of Larry because he was in like seven national running commercials at any given time. He like drove a Lexus and maybe had a condo. And I was like, this dude is fucking ready to retire.

[Tim Lovestead]

Larry was definitely. He had so many commercials.

[Dax Shepard]

He slayed. Not only did he do a good job with that, but he also handled quite effortlessly our clear jealousy. Everyone there is going to commercial auditions and not getting one. He had a great sense of humor and self deprecation about his raging success we almost suffered from. And I think this would be a problem, like if Aaron and I went through together too. Which is like our sense of humor is already 10 jokes down the road. It's so specific already to catch you up to why we started here. It's like you almost needed a year of inside jokes before you would think that was funny.

[Tim Lovestead]

But we had that stupid sketch where we were duck hunters and all we talked about was how exciting it was about to get. And then we kept checking in with the audience. Like right now it's quiet, but in about four to five minutes things are gonna get very exciting.

[Dax Shepard]

There's gonna be a fervor of activity.

[Tim Lovestead]

And Then we talked about how exciting the excitement was gonna be. Yeah. Stupid things.

[Dax Shepard]

Nothing ever happens. Oh, what an innocent era. We had a.30 06 and a 12 gauge shotgun in the theater. In the theater.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah. I didn't go to drama school. Like, I didn't know you couldn't bring.

[Dax Shepard]

Firearms weren't welcomed in the creative space. Yeah. And even the notion that we both had some weaponry to bring.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah, I had like, my dad's gun. Yeah. Yeah, your dad has a gun. I was like, yeah, he's got a bunch of them.

[Dax Shepard]

So this week, the people that we were chatting with, I've been kind of trying to think of, like a broad theme. Have you ever met my friend Ryan Hanson?

[Tim Lovestead]

Yes. But, like, glancing.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, so Ryan, when I think of him, I think popular. No matter where he's at, he's like the most likable. He's charming. He can do backflips. He was an athlete. He's kind, he's cute. And so I really wanted to talk about just like being popular. The one I wanted to talk about with you. Only if you're open to it, feel comfortable with it. I have an enormous amount of, I guess you would call it, survivor skill from the ground.

[Tim Lovestead]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Because I have Josh Nathan, who I just thought was a fucking brilliant genius.

[Tim Lovestead]

He was a machine, like a writing machine.

[Dax Shepard]

Every one of his were pretty damn good. His consistency rate was off the charts.

[Tim Lovestead]

And the gap between throwing something up on Wednesday and it hitting the stage on Sunday, he always had the smallest gap.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. And I'll say he was a better actor than I was. He just had a lot of skills that I certainly didn't have, as did many people in there. I don't think anyone could really be there. Unless you're Melissa, maybe.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Think like I'm the here.

[Tim Lovestead]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't know if you agree. I was just in awe of pretty much everyone's talent that was there.

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[Tim Lovestead]

And so you feel what?

[Dax Shepard]

The notion that some people hit the jackpot and some didn't feels terrible on my side.

[Tim Lovestead]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, I'm delighted I hit the jackpot and hit the lottery, but I also just feel like there is just no justice. There are a lot of people that certainly deserve to hit the jackpot, if not the same amount as me, more than. And I feel bad about that. And I was just curious what the experience from being in it and having some people around you pop in really significant ways.

[Tim Lovestead]

You know, there's a lot of people in our circle that not only got big, but got kind of massive. I mean, Kristen Wiig was in Sunday Company with me, and when she becomes this thing, it's crazy.

[Dax Shepard]

All in our tenure, like Ben and Melissa. Ben Falcone, Melissa McCarthy, even Octavia Spencer who hung around there. Was that one Academy Awards where Ben and Nat were not.

[Tim Lovestead]

Or Jim and Nat.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm sorry, Jim and Nat. Nat Fax and Jim Rash. There's four of us that are at the Academy Awards nominated. Caitlin Olson, she's incredibly successful.

[Tim Lovestead]

I just think there's so much in the world that I can't control. There's only so much that I can control. You know, there's a lot of it. That's timing and luck.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

But also what? Everyone I know is gonna become famous. Like, that's not reasonable at all. I get a kick out of people getting a Kick out of my friends. And to me, it was always more. I wouldn't give that time away for anything. And all the other stuff. Nobody knows what it was like for all of us to be there late on a Wednesday night with Guy Stevenson putting up another gorilla sketch.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

Or a robot. Or like Callie McEntire on a bike on stage doing a sketch that she had written on a dinner napkin. All of those things. Those are mine and they're way more fun.

[Dax Shepard]

What I would wanna say, but then would stop myself. Cause I would be afraid it would sound patronizing.

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Is.

[Dax Shepard]

And I've said it without you present a million times. It never got better.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

That was it. Being in the Sunday Company, having, like a show to do on Sunday. And actual people came and they paid money and they wanted to be there. And it was sold out and they loved it. That's about as great as it ever felt.

[Tim Lovestead]

And that theater sold out every night. We never had to say bring friends. My only. Cause I did two years in the Sunday Company, which is kind of unheard of. I just wish I knew at the time that two years, like, swallow it up there. Always felt like every six months there's this end game.

[Dax Shepard]

It's hard to enjoy it. Cause you're always a little panicked you're gonna get kicked out.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah. And it becomes this competitive thing.

[Dax Shepard]

And you're counting other people's sketches. Yeah. It's a competitive environment. Only so many are gonna get in.

[Tim Lovestead]

What a gift. Especially at that time. You look at the time we're in now and things have changed so much. But in that time, you could really. You could create to your maximum. Sounds weird to say, but potential, no matter how deep you wanted to dig on the weird things you thought were funny, you did have a space to do that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even more fun was Wednesday because you're putting up sketches that ultimately the director will go, you can't do that. And that's like what you want to do. You pretty much want to write the sketches that you can't do. Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

And also, like watching your friends try stuff and then also not try stuff. Where you're like, you're doing another one of those ones.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron]

So that's how you feel now. You never went through a depression or a sourness or anything.

[Tim Lovestead]

Bitterness. This is a funny memory. But we went to the Without a Paddle premiere, which was at. Was that at Warner Brothers, Paramount.

[Dax Shepard]

Paramount.

[Tim Lovestead]

And they had built a lake.

[Dax Shepard]

Flooded the.

[Tim Lovestead]

Flooded the parking lot or whatever it was.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. They had a tank that they Would film, like, naval scenes in.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah. And you could rent, like, a canoe or something.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, just. Yeah. People's seats were canoes.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah. And I remember being with Caitlin, we were walking to the bar for us, it was weird. It's like, what is this? And why is Dax in a movie? Like, this is fucking incredible. And why is there a lake? There was a lot.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Tim Lovestead]

And somebody walked by me that was on the crew of that movie, and they were talking to someone else, and they said, yeah, man, it's crazy. Dax has always been that way. And I was like, first of all, there's no way you've known Dax that long. But then it also set my mind right. As to, like, the trajectory of how these things go. That success or that experience is becoming its own thing. And it's not for me to covet. Like, I can't sit and fight against that guy's memory or the way he talks about you. It's like, yeah, he doesn't even know Aaron weekly. How the fuck can he say Dax? He's been like that forever. Right.

[Dax Shepard]

And he doesn't know 10 Aaron Weekley stories.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yes. So that sort of set me up for that famous friends experience. My friends are gonna be my friends, not based on the fact that they're famous, but because we are friends.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Tim Lovestead]

So that sort of set me up, that one guy, that grip on that movie.

[Dax Shepard]

And then, you know what you did a way better job of and that I'm quite envious of. Because, like, as we were saying, the poker game. I just started going to that poker game again. I think I've gone twice. And it was like a series of bumping into Ben enough, I guess, where he invited me, which is like, I couldn't wait to go. And it was so fun. But you did a much better job. Probably the most profound feeling is like, getting kicked out. I felt ashamed of that. I was embarrassed to have been kicked out of the Sunday company. And then in the embarrassment, I was also resentful at whatever group of people I determined were a part of that decision. I just left with a bad taste in my mouth. You know, I didn't not leave on great terms.

[Tim Lovestead]

More than half of the people probably have that experience.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it's gotta be right. Cause there's so few slots on the main stage. Through numerous reasons, I both got really busy. I got to go do movies all over the place. I was, like, starting that whole experience. But I didn't do a good job maintaining those groundlings friendships. And you did. You stayed very dialed into that whole crew. And I'm pretty envious of it. Especially like when I went to poker, I was like, oh, yeah, I fucking miss this so much. This is so fun. You and I stayed friends. I'll add that. Yeah, you and I.

[Tim Lovestead]

But I've always liked being part of a team. I know that sounds really weird when it all ended, since I was the sort of senior guy, like whenever we would do things, I had to help organize it. I always liked being part of a team. So that part of it, I don't know, I just carried on with it.

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[Tim Lovestead]

You know, I wish I could see those people more.

[Dax Shepard]

But did you go through any, like, when you were kicked out, what was your experience with that?

[Tim Lovestead]

Well, I mean, I did two years, so I definitely was not happy about it, but I sort of pivoted because I felt like after the Sun Company, I had developed a skill set that I had never had in my life, which was like a hard working. Every Wednesday I'm going to have my stuff written. Every Sunday I'm going to perform. I'm going to line everything up. And so I finished college after the Sunday company because I was like, well, I want a degree. So in order to do that, I'm just going to transfer. All that hard work and network ethic.

[Dax Shepard]

It teaches you a writing discipline which is almost impossible to learn.

[Tim Lovestead]

And the competitive part was, okay, if I'm gonna be doing this, then I need to do it. So that means investing time in the writing, investing time in the other people, investing time in making the show better. Because Sunday I remember having shows where I was only in one sketch and I was like, that just can't fly, right? I gotta figure out how do I get on stage.

[Dax Shepard]

And you can get a little machiavellian, like, oh, I gotta give so and so a sketch.

[Tim Lovestead]

Or I just yell more. I remember.

[Dax Shepard]

I guess I gotta be louder next week.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah, I remember Josh coming up to me. I think I had four or five sketches. It was really great for me. I did a couple of sketches that I really liked. And Josh was like, you're doing like four or five sketches where you yell. Do you think that's too much? And I was like, come on, man. I'm like, I feel so good right now. And you just killed me. Yeah, I'm just.

[Dax Shepard]

Are you concerned about your voice? Have you been taking throat yet? You weren't embarrassed when that happened to you or were you?

[Tim Lovestead]

No, I was worn out.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, you. Welcome to the reprieve.

[Aaron]

Meet at door.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you might get to meet Somebody I like to meet.

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Jacob's in for a surprise.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah, he is.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, this is so close. This was a freebie, virtually.

[Aaron]

Oh, dude, that's droppy.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Nice little bit of scratch. Nice little bit of Chad.

[Aaron]

Now, a guy can make a living off these kind of deliveries.

[Dax Shepard]

That's right.

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[Dax Shepard]

So I guess maybe in summation, minimally, I don't need to carry as much survivor guilt in regard to you.

[Tim Lovestead]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

You don't seem to be mad at me. Me?

[Aaron]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

But you've also gotten to witness that now firsthand. Front row seat to how dynamics change around people who get success.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't know. Is the chicken or the egg? Did other people change and then they change or they change and other people change?

[Aaron]

We changed here.

[Tim Lovestead]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

Which one are you.

[Tim Lovestead]

Are you leaving?

[Dax Shepard]

Let's talk about Jesus.

[Tim Lovestead]

That guy could not care less. Dax.

[Dax Shepard]

No, no one. Can nobody care. It's been a very humbling.

[Aaron]

No one likes to make eye contact anyway.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

Just to delivered it dope.

[Dax Shepard]

And then the people that do, they're more confused. That's that dude. But that's obviously not that dude.

[Tim Lovestead]

Why does he have all those cameras? Why does he have that?

[Dax Shepard]

Now, as you might expect, when Kristin was with us, that took all the guesswork out of it.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

100% of the people that saw her in the backseat were like, why is Kristen Bell in the back seat?

[Tim Lovestead]

Let me ask you, do you resent her for all her success?

[Dax Shepard]

No. I'm so grateful because there was a long period of us together where I don't claim that I was ever more famous than her, but I was definitely more recognizable than her. Kristen. For years, people would see her and I'd see them even whisper their friends like, that looks like that actress Kristen Bell. When they'd see me, if they recognized me, they're like, yeah, that's him. He's six, nine, the huge nose, still holding tattoos. There was a long period where I would get blasted more than she would. And so in general, I'm fucking delighted that there's someone that people are more interested in talking to than me, which is unanimous at this point. If you bump into both of us, unless you're an armchair, you want to talk to Kristen. Like, go get him, girl. I'll be over here checking my phone. I take pictures a ton. I'm delighted about it. I got to experience it. It's waning. I'm less and less famous every day. Longer I've not been on tv. I can feel it. And it's delightful. I almost feel like it's almost too good to trust. Like, wait, you don't get to be and then not get to be or get the perfect amount you want. You get into a restaurant, but then you're not taking a lot of pictures. I've seen from afar, even from Michigan.

[Aaron]

It's definitely the other people that have changed.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, well, the people around you that's comforting you.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

When Dax was first starting out on this journey and must be nice be on that movie Hollywood, you know, whatever.

[Tim Lovestead]

Must be nice knowing how you're gonna pay your rent.

[Aaron]

He's the exact same we got in the movie. This is what who only could fucking wish for any of us, right? Or this is why we get excited he did it. Cause we knew he'd be the one to do it. I always felt like I was the only one that stayed excited. I'm like, you guys suck, dude. And I'll spend my entire life sticking up for it.

[Tim Lovestead]

When I think back at the Crownlings, Caitlin told me one time, she was like, I always knew Dax was gonna be famous. And I was like, you did?

[Dax Shepard]

Right, Right. But based on what? His lack of headshots, lack of representation.

[Tim Lovestead]

And that's honestly.

[Dax Shepard]

I' that guy, the.

[Tim Lovestead]

Fucking dipshit I hang out with, I.

[Dax Shepard]

Was wrestling a pretty big drinking problem.

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That guy?

[Tim Lovestead]

You mean the guy who's collecting quarters so we can buy a tall boy.

[Dax Shepard]

Discharging his 12 gauge above the heads of some gang bangers racing to his apartment?

[Tim Lovestead]

Maybe it was a mistake. But none of that became tangible where it was like, I'm going to do this to get to snl. Everybody said that. But for me, I was always more present than that.

[Dax Shepard]

I have, in a weird way, felt like moving here is a blessing in a sense, because me, Caitlin, we left our family and all of our friends to do this thing. So if we left everyone for nothing, that was gonna be a big miscalculation. And I think for people like, Jess lived here, he had his friends from home, he could eat dinner at Mom's house.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And I do wonder if that prevents a little bit of the pressure you would put on yourself otherwise if you moved.

[Tim Lovestead]

There's truth in that.

[Dax Shepard]

But hence my devastation when that door shut. Like Saturday Night Live is completely off the table. There's no way for me to get there now. That's over. This whole dream that's been going on for 10 years is done to that point too.

[Tim Lovestead]

I do remember people would from time to time, audition for SNL while we were there. And you would find out they didn't make it. And I remember thinking, like, well, that's just crazy. So that guy can't be on snl. So it sort of spelled out a little bit of. Of randomness of it, I guess.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, that's what's funny. As you're even saying it. I'm remembering, like, I did not think I would get to snl. And yet I also was trying my hardest to get to snl.

[Tim Lovestead]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

Both things were true. I was, like, devastated. I was no longer gonna get there, but I never even thought I would get there. I'm learning you're not as neurotic as me. I think that's what I'm learning from this whole conversation.

[Aaron]

Tim's, like, psycho.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, totally the thing.

[Tim Lovestead]

He made it.

[Dax Shepard]

He would have killed himself.

[Aaron]

Jesus.

[Dax Shepard]

And I actively was.

[Tim Lovestead]

Aaron, you wanna take over wheel? I've got children. I think people being angry is funny. And I think people getting angry with themselves and embarrassing themselves is funny. It always makes me laugh. Saying things in the worst spot is funny. And for good or bad.

[Dax Shepard]

I know. I was just having this debate with Monica and Alexander Skarsgrd. Okay. It's very Swedish. So the whole time I was just, like, all I wanted to talk about was the difference between Swedes and Americans. So fascinating. But somehow it came up. I'm like, well, let me get this straight. When you guys walk into a room and you see a dude in a wheelchair, do you not immediately go, like, don't talk about running. Don't talk about jumping. Don't talk about how much fun you had. Like, on a hike. I just start listing everything. We gotta avoid saying. But that goes for almost anything that's in a room. It doesn't even have to be as extreme as a wheelchair. And they could not relate to that. And I thought that was, like, a human thing, but it's not. You do that, of course. The guy with an eye patch, you're like, don't bring up guns. Don't bring up pirates. Don't bring up Johnny Depp. Even my trigger, this guy. All right, you got a question?

[Aaron]

Yeah, Tim. And I'm wondering, because we don't know each other as well as we should.

[Tim Lovestead]

We don't know each other that well.

[Aaron]

No, of course. As well as we should. Just from today, I don't think you're as petty.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm feeling kind of bad about myself in a great way.

[Aaron]

Anyway, wrote this down because. Do you ever brag about things that you were good at? But it's a flat out lie and that no one knows.

[Tim Lovestead]

Oh, like something that I'm not good at. But I would tell a story about how good I am at it.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, we'll go first so that you know the bar.

[Tim Lovestead]

Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

I don't even know how we ended up admitting this to each other, but, like, I somehow admitted to him that at some point I told Guy from Groundlings, who was bigger than me and stronger than me. Yes. And I was trying to demonstrate my bonafides.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And somehow he's. I said I lived in Detroit. He said, oh, my God, did you ever go to the Kronk Gym? And I go, oh, yeah, all the time. I trained there. And I'm locked into this lie with Guy now, going on 21 years. I still text him all the time. He probably still thinks I trained at the Kronk Gym with Tommy Hearns. With the Hitman Hearns. Of course, I happened to just randomly say that to Aaron and then he hit me with this. Yeah.

[Aaron]

So I told him that.

[Dax Shepard]

So much better.

[Aaron]

I have been telling people I was.

[Dax Shepard]

A Marine.

[Aaron]

Which came with a lot of stories, because once you commit, you can't. People want to know because it's a good story. Like, of course I was overseas and he's doing it, and Dex can't just. You trained at the most fucking famous gym in Detroit. Like, there's more that comes along. So you. You keep digging, and then I hope it doesn't get to where someone knows me good enough that knows that. So I have to keep it only between a certain group of people.

[Tim Lovestead]

Hey, do me a favor. Don't tell my mom that I was a Marine.

[Dax Shepard]

Also, when he was a Marine, he boxed in the Marines. Oh, yeah, I boxed in the Marines.

[Aaron]

Oh, my God.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm sorry.

[Aaron]

Yeah, that was the case. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. I boxed in the Marines. Oh, my go. Yes. It makes.

[Dax Shepard]

You know what's funny is that a. It makes me so happy when you told me that story. And then also, like, my guilt and shame over having lied about that is 11. And when I heard that you said it, I'm like, oh, this is adorable. This is like a boy trying to be a big man as a Marine and his dad was a Marine. It's so obvious what's going on.

[Aaron]

I just told my dad, maybe your.

[Tim Lovestead]

Brain wasn't a Marine. Right.

[Dax Shepard]

He lied.

[Tim Lovestead]

It's so funny. Funny because it's semi small, but really big for you. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not like.

[Dax Shepard]

And it becomes almost untenable. Like, when Guy would bring it up, I'm like, oh, I'm panicked. Like, I can't remember what they tell him. I met Emmanuel Lewis or Stuart or whatever the trainer was. Like, I said I had one.

[Aaron]

That's one of the most interesting things about you.

[Tim Lovestead]

It really is. Have you had Tommy Hearns on the podcast?

[Dax Shepard]

Especially for Guy? That was.

[Tim Lovestead]

You know, one thing I have lied about.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, God.

[Tim Lovestead]

I loved when I skateboarded as a kid. It was a big deal. But I didn't skateboard for that long.

[Aaron]

And.

[Tim Lovestead]

My two best buddies, who I've known both since kindergarten, skated much longer than I did.

[Dax Shepard]

That's true.

[Tim Lovestead]

And their stories, I mean, we have a famous of Aaron got caught stealing wood from a construction site to make a ramp. And it was like at 2 in the morning, Aaron got caught by the cops and walked down the alley that everybody had hid and was like, all right, guys, come out. They know our names. They know where we live.

[Dax Shepard]

He rolled.

[Tim Lovestead]

And I always tell that story in the first person.

[Dax Shepard]

Sure.

[Tim Lovestead]

I was not there.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

And half of the stories that any of those guys tell about skateboarding I have adopted because I love skateboard culture. I love skateboarding. I got a job and I stopped skating.

[Dax Shepard]

I've had this moment within the last year where it's like, I'm meeting someone new. This is when I would lay out this lie. And I go, when are we going.

[Tim Lovestead]

To stop telling people this lie?

[Dax Shepard]

Like, when I met people out here and I wanted to drive fast, I'd just be like, oh, I raced for years in Detroit. Like, just lie so that you would trust me to drive like an asshole. Yeah.

[Aaron]

When you. You get far from home and you.

[Dax Shepard]

Got to keep them going, especially how you come out here, it's like you just write your own story. I was a fucking black belt in taekwondo in Detroit. I worked for the Edison. I invented the assembly line telephone wire as an electrician mundane.

[Aaron]

Someone was asking me, like, where I boxed.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, no.

[Aaron]

It never occurred to me, like, where I would be boxing. Right?

[Dax Shepard]

You didn't tell out that part of your story?

[Tim Lovestead]

Yes.

[Aaron]

I said I boxed up a ship. And.

[Dax Shepard]

And then.

[Aaron]

They'Re like, so you were on, like, a Navy ship? I'm like, yeah, exactly. The Marines. The Navy.

[Tim Lovestead]

You name boxing gloves.

[Dax Shepard]

I was boxing.

[Aaron]

We're all together on a balance beam.

[Dax Shepard]

I boxed a guy on an I while building a skyscraper. Aaron comes by this naturally. I don't know if I have such an excuse. But the best part was his dad told us this story when we were working for him. Cause his dad owned a roofing company and we roofed for him. He has his Uncle Tom, who's incredible. This is exactly what he sounds like.

[Aaron]

Mad. What are you motherfuckers doing?

[Dax Shepard]

Tim, it's that extreme. You're like, is he Cajun? Is he black? Is he any long, long gray hair? Looks like a bike. So his dad was telling us that one time they were both in Vietnam, and his uncle was a medic. His uncle tells this elaborate story about jumping out of a helicopter. And he's got his sidearm and he's gotta start using his sidearm. And then this happens and that happens. When I was hearing the story, I was like, I don't think they give the medics that. Smelling some bullshit.

[Aaron]

He said he was shooting these motherfuckers with his, you know, machine gun and shit.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yes, machine gun.

[Dax Shepard]

So Aaron's dad hears this story. It doesn't sit right.

[Aaron]

He said, I kill women.

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And.

[Dax Shepard]

By the way, I'm telling you, it's a smart tactic. When you're a liar, you gotta add some stuff that's unflattering to yourself to build credibility. Well, you wouldn't be saying that, right? I killed a woman.

[Tim Lovestead]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, children. So Aaron's dad is at home a couple years after he heard this story from Tom, and he's fucking watching a rerun of mash. And it's verbatim. Every single detail he told his dad was from an episode of mash. But to your thing with stealing stories, this is the God's truth. Because we've been together so much since we were 11. Sincerely, sometimes I don't know if it's his story or my story, but we were both there or we weren't, Especially car shows. We were mostly on all the car shows together, but sometimes we weren't. And it's just straight confusing without even trying to lie. Well, Timmy Love said, I love you to pieces.

[Tim Lovestead]

Oh, I love you guys. Thanks for having me.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, we're like 30 years into friendship.

[Tim Lovestead]

It is really crazy.

[Dax Shepard]

Still alive.

[Tim Lovestead]

Still alive.

[Dax Shepard]

Still. We're going to beat our fathers.

[Tim Lovestead]

I know. We.

[Dax Shepard]

You're in the club.

[Tim Lovestead]

How old was your dad? My dad. My dad was 42.

[Aaron]

Oh, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

That's the new winner. You just took the lead.

[Tim Lovestead]

What?

[Dax Shepard]

You have 54.

[Aaron]

54.

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Yeah.

[Tim Lovestead]

That's how old he was when he died.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Those are insane numbers.

[Tim Lovestead]

That was. Dad was 42.

[Aaron]

He was retired.

[Tim Lovestead]

Retired, 42.

[Aaron]

I don't know what's crazy or that.

[Tim Lovestead]

He died or was retired.

[Dax Shepard]

Then he died 10 years into his retirement. Right. Love you.

[Tim Lovestead]

Yeah, baby, too. Thanks, guys.