Rerelease: Dax's Mom (Laura Labo)

Summary

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard – Episode: Rerelease: Dax's Mom (Laura LeBeau)
Release Date: December 30, 2024

In this deeply personal and heartwarming episode of Armchair Expert, host Dax Shepard reunites with his mother, Laura LeBeau, to explore her life story, resilience, and the profound impact she has had on his own journey. The conversation delves into Laura’s challenging upbringing, her struggles with abusive relationships, her triumphs as a single mother and businesswoman, and her enduring strength in the face of adversity.

1. Introduction to Laura LeBeau

Dax Shepard opens the episode with heartfelt enthusiasm, expressing his deep love and admiration for his mother. He shares that Laura is a favorite among listeners, particularly resonating with women who have faced significant challenges.

Dax Shepard [04:00]: "My sweet mom, Laura LeBeau. I love her so much, it hurts."

2. Laura’s Early Life in Livonia, Michigan

Laura recounts her childhood in Livonia, Michigan, growing up as the third eldest of five brothers in a bustling household. She shares nostalgic memories of playing in the basement as a goalie during her brothers’ hockey games and the camaraderie with her siblings.

Laura LeBeau [08:06]: "Livonia, Michigan, 29583 McIntyre. Little bungalows. And he would pull me on the sled and deliver all his papers."

3. First Marriage and Motherhood

At a young age, Laura marries Dave Barton, a relationship marked by both love and hardship. Despite her aspirations to travel and pursue her dreams, Laura dedicated herself to raising Dax and his brother David, often feeling confined by the responsibilities of motherhood.

Laura LeBeau [11:22]: "I always knew I was going to be a mom. Always."

4. Challenges and Divorce

Laura’s first marriage becomes tumultuous as Dave struggles with alcohol addiction. The relationship deteriorates, leading to physical abuse and eventual divorce. Laura bravely navigates the complexities of single motherhood, facing financial strains and emotional turmoil.

Laura LeBeau [69:02]: "I was so ashamed. So ashamed. And it was just beyond me to like, I'll just try harder. I'll just try harder."

5. Second Marriage and Building a Business

Determined to create a better life, Laura marries Dave Barton again, who proves to be a supportive and patient partner. Together, they establish a successful business in fleet management for General Motors, showcasing Laura’s remarkable resilience and entrepreneurial spirit.

Laura LeBeau [91:44]: "I went from day shift to afternoon shift to midnight shift... and I was on afternoon shift for a couple years."

6. Struggles with Mental Health

Despite her outward success, Laura grapples with severe depression, exacerbated by past traumas and ongoing challenges in her personal life. She shares candidly about her suicidal thoughts and the pivotal moments that led her to seek help.

Dax Shepard [117:10]: "It really was a three-year process."

Laura LeBeau [118:33]: "I decided to have her. So then I was single and pregnant with two kids, and it was just... awful."

7. Overcoming Adversity and Finding Strength

Through unwavering support from her second husband and a strong network of friends, Laura confronts her depression and begins the journey toward healing. She emphasizes the importance of resilience, honesty, and the gradual process of rebuilding her life.

Laura LeBeau [120:25]: "I feel like if you have your story and you share your story and something comes of it that someone else hears it, it's like, gosh, that would be great."

8. Legacy and Lessons

The conversation highlights the invaluable lessons Laura imparts to Dax, including empathy, cultural relativism, and the importance of understanding beyond surface-level judgments. Laura’s perspective shapes Dax’s approach to life, relationships, and his endeavors.

Dax Shepard [130:10]: "What I'm thanking you for is setting me up to be interested in anthropology... understanding the nuance and the details and the context."

9. Conclusion: A Bond of Love and Resilience

As the episode concludes, Dax reflects on the profound bond he shares with his mother, celebrating her strength, compassion, and the pivotal role she has played in his life. The episode serves as a tribute to Laura’s enduring spirit and the transformative power of vulnerability and honesty.

Dax Shepard [132:57]: "I hope to God I can do half the job with four times the amount of resources that you had. So, I love you. Thank you for coming on the Armchair Expert."

Laura LeBeau [132:58]: "Thank you."

Notable Quotes

• Dax Shepard [04:00]: "She talks about some really gnarly stuff that she's gone through, and she does it without shame. She does it with compassion towards herself."

• Laura LeBeau [11:22]: "I always knew I was going to be a mom. Always."

• Dax Shepard [117:11]: "It feels like someone else's or a movie or something."

• Laura LeBeau [120:32]: "It's frightening. It's a real confusing squirrel cage."

Key Takeaways

• Resilience in Adversity: Laura’s journey underscores the strength required to overcome abusive relationships, financial hardship, and mental health challenges.

• Importance of Support Systems: The unwavering support from family and friends plays a crucial role in Laura’s healing and success.

• Empathy and Understanding: Laura’s empathetic approach to understanding people’s stories beyond their public personas fosters deeper connections and insights.

• Legacy of Strength: Laura’s life story serves as a powerful example of how vulnerability and honesty can lead to personal growth and betterment.

This episode of Armchair Expert offers a poignant exploration of a mother’s unwavering love and strength, providing listeners with profound insights into resilience, empathy, and the complexities of human relationships.

Transcript

[Dax Shepard]

Wondry plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad free right now. Join Wondry plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Mrs. Moose Brown Mouse.

[Monica Padman]

Brown Mouse.

[Dax Shepard]

Brown Mouse. You probably caught that in the fact check Pantone color, huh? Okay. And Wobby Wob. The one and only Wobby Wob. So what we're doing in these in our one week off is we thought we would. We all got to pick our favorite two of our favorite episodes. And so the episode you're going to hear today is My sweet, sweet mom, Laura leau. Laura Louise LeBeau. LL Triple L. Triple L, L Cubed. Yeah, I think this is why you pick it. Well, because I love my mom so much. And beyond that, um, this is probably number one episode I hear about from people when I bump into them on the streets. I think it was uniquely powerful for a lot of women who have been through a lot. Yeah, agreed. So please enjoy My sweet mom, Laura LeBeau. We are supported by Audible. Audible's best of 2024 picks are here. Audible's curated list in every category is the best way to hear 2024's best in audio entertainment. Like a stunning new full cast production of George Orwell's 1984. This is the one I am most excited to indulge myself with.

[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

Well, there's so many good ones on the list.

[Monica Padman]

We love Audible. This is how you go to bed.

[Dax Shepard]

I love Audible. I swear by Audible. I can't wait to listen to the Orwell 1984 off this list. I'm also doing Fleas by autobiography right now, which I'm obsessed. I can't get enough Audible in my life every night. Go to audible.comdax and discover all the year's bests waiting for you. That's audible.com Dax we are supported by Quint is the season of holiday gifting. But finding the perfect gift can be pretty overwhelming for timeless gifts made from premium materials at an affordable price. Quint has your back. Quint's lets you treat your loved ones and yourself to quality essentials like their Mongolian cashmere sweaters, which start at just $50. That's an elevated gift at a price that won't break the bank. Or for more winter coziness, try their super soft fleece sweatpants or Their packable puffer jackets. Both perfect for anyone who's traveling for the holidays.

[Monica Padman]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

Hi.

[Dax Shepard]

Hi. Monica. Padman. Today is special day. It's very, very special. A lot of people have asked for this, and it makes me happy that they wanted to hear this because my number one love of my life is on today.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

My mom, Laura LeBeau. Oh, my God. I just welled up even saying you.

[Monica Padman]

Love her so much.

[Dax Shepard]

I love her so much, it hurts. And I just want to say you're gonna, you're gonna hear all the reasons I love her. She's so honest and open and brave. You know, 100 of that I get from her. She talks about some really gnarly stuff that she's gone through, and she does it without shame. She does it with compassion towards herself. And I don't know that I've ever really heard someone tell their story as honestly as she does here today.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And it was very emotional and wonderful for me, and I hope all of you guys get as much out of it.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. And, and just disclaimer. There's a portion, a very small portion that d us to go potty peepee. Yeah. And, but we kept rolling and, and, and I was talking to your mom and we, I decided to leave it in because she says a couple of pretty profound things during that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So don't think when I like you hear me get up. I haven't had a heart attack or anything. I haven't left on a stretcher.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Because if you stop talking, people are going to get concerned because they're used.

[Dax Shepard]

To hearing your voice ever present droning, nonstop voice. So. Yeah. My sweet, lovely mother. Enjoy. My mom, the love of my Life, Laura Louise LeBeau, who's here upon popular demand. I think a lot of folks have. Well, not. I think I've, I've gotten a million tweets asking for me to talk to you, which I would have done anyways. But I just want you to know that you're highly desired by arm cherries.

[Monica Padman]

Because he talks about you so much.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, she listens. You listen, Mom. Right. Just recently you kind of binged. You binge, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes, but I had been listening here and there, but I had a real good binge on the drive up.

[Dax Shepard]

You're busy. I'm not expecting you to listen to it. But yeah, you had a. You had a 16 hour drive from Oregon to LA two weeks ago.

[Laura LeBeau]

I think to say that I'm not your number one fan would be an outright lie.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, but how many did you plow through in that ride?

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, quite a few. I listened for two days straight and I drove. Wow, that's a lot. Yeah, I got through a lot of them and I really, really enjoy. The thing I like most about your podcast is that I learned about these people in a much different way than their public Persona. Like, I get to hear their vulnerabilities and the things they've overcome and their fears and I don't know, it just seems like so much more interesting. Like they're real people.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, because when I look, when I watch tv, I'm like, oh, that guy's a millionaire. He's got it made. He's. He wakes up and starts cheering. Right. Must feel awesome.

[Laura LeBeau]

Exactly. All his problems are solved.

[Dax Shepard]

In what? What? Knowing that I was going to record with you. I did have a little bit of sense memory of the last time I thought one of the love of my life's would be a really easy interview, which was Kristen. So I have prepared for 50 shot of this going up in smoke.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, I would have thought you would have hired someone to take me to Michael's yesterday to head that off at the past.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, yeah. Is there any grievances you have? Am I keeping you from it? Doing anything in LA that you.

[Laura LeBeau]

No, no.

[Dax Shepard]

You were born in 1951. You have, you have five brothers. And you're. You were the third eldest, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Uncle Larry, Uncle Uncle Tom, and then, then you, then Uncle Alger, then Uncle Joel, then Uncle Robbie, right? Yeah. And as a little sister to two.

[Laura LeBeau]

Boys, infatuated with them, you were. Oh my God, they were so. Who wouldn't have been? They were so good to me.

[Dax Shepard]

They were.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, I mean, I could tell you a thousand stories. Not just the ones where they use me as a goalie in the basement when they played hockey and I had a zillion pads on and stuff and they just kept shooting pucks at me. But the better Stories are, you know, my brothers both had paper routes, which was common for boys in the 50s in Michigan.

[Dax Shepard]

By the way, this is all in Michigan. Oh, yeah, this is all in Livonia, Michigan.

[Laura LeBeau]

Livonia, Michigan, 29583 McIntyre. And in the wintertime, my brother Larry would put me on the sled with all his papers and he would pull me the whole neighborhood. I'm talking this neighborhood was probably, I'm going to guess, a thousand little after the war. Three bedroom, brick house.

[Dax Shepard]

Bungalows.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, little bungalows. And he would pull me on the sled and deliver all his papers. And then there was a guy, rain or shine, even in the winter, would come around with his truck that sold cotton candy and caramel corn and stuff. And he would always say to me when the truck would be approaching, do you want some caramel corn? And he would reach in his pocket and buy me a caramel corn. And I would sit on the sled and he would pull me. And then my brother Tom also had a paper out and he would put me on the. Think about this, my brother Tom, even though he's four years older than me, people in the neighborhood thought we were twins because I was the same size as him.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, really?

[Laura LeBeau]

So he had little.

[Dax Shepard]

Because you were a big girl or he was a small boy?

[Laura LeBeau]

He was a very small boy. And a lot of health issues when he was a little kid.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so anyway, I would sit on the front handlebars of his bicycle, which he also had the paper bag with all the papers on this handlebars, and he would pedal me all over his route. And when he would take me to the paper station, he would stop at this little, I don't know, like a beer and wine store. And he would buy me a RC Cola and a Moon Pie. And I would sit there and watch him fold papers and load his paper bag. And I never asked for anything. My brothers just always, they just.

[Dax Shepard]

Were they being coached to do that nice stuff by Midgie or Joe Lobo, the patriarch of the family?

[Laura LeBeau]

I don't think so. I think they genuinely. I mean, maybe I'm delusional, but I honestly think they just really liked me. Like they were just out of the.

[Dax Shepard]

Goodness of their heart.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, we were real close. We often did things together. Like we had a. A shopping center that was two blocks from our house, and it was 57 stores all under one roof. Wonderland Shopping center, which was really a big deal in the 50s. And they would walk up there with me and we just, you know, look in all the stores together. And stuff. And come. I mean, we didn't things regularly.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. Do you think that made you a tomboy? Because I sometimes look at Carly, my little sister, your third offspring, and I think, you know, in some way, I'm sure I irreversibly damaged her by being like the who she was trying to be like. As I was trying to be like David, she was probably sometimes trying to be like me. So consequently, she fist fought on the bus. Right. She sometimes got in trouble for.

[Laura LeBeau]

She kicked that boy in the face.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, she kicked the boy in the face. You know, she.

[Laura LeBeau]

With her little vans tennis shoes.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Really cute little pink Vans 10 shoes. And I just wonder, you know, if that was for the best or not.

[Laura LeBeau]

But.

[Dax Shepard]

But you. You kind. You played. You played field hockey and shit, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, I did, but I wasn't like a tomboy. Like, I really like doing everything with the boys. However, I loved dolls. I was very much a girl in that respect. How. But yeah, I guess I was.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you always want to have kids?

[Laura LeBeau]

Always. I always knew I was going to be a mom. Always.

[Dax Shepard]

Even though you are, you were saddled with a ton of child rearing yourself. Right. Because you had three younger brothers and you had to do a ton of mom stuff, which you didn't always appreciate, did you?

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, that's a tricky question. No, I did not always appreciate it. I mean, I. I loved my brothers and I genuinely did things on my own that I loved and enjoyed with them. But when I started to get into like junior high and high school and my friends were doing things after school and I wanted to do it with them, I did not have the option of going with them. I was to report back home because my mom needed help and that I was a little resentful of that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And then the last baby, she had, Rob. My mom, I'm gonna guess, I think my mom was 38 or 40 when she had Rob.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, wow.

[Laura LeBeau]

And she did not recover as quickly. I don't think she wanted to recover. I think she was. I think she was really enjoying the hired hand.

[Dax Shepard]

Also, if she were to recover, there might be a fucking seventh child on the way. Right. Pippi just would not stop.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, yeah, they were. They had a good romance.

[Dax Shepard]

They had a high fenty. Right. Like. Like rabbits.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. So I, when I was in, got to think if I was eighth grade or ninth grade, you know, Rob was in my room in his crib, and we shared a room. And so when he came home from the hospital, he was born in August and he was a preemie so in September when school started, he was still on a real every three or four hour bottle schedule.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And my mother will tell you to this day she thinks she was very clever, which I suppose she was, that when she would hear him cry, she would pretend to be sleeping and wait for me because I'm not going to let him cry. So I would go downstairs. Back those days there was not a microwave. So you heated a bottle on the stove and then you.

[Dax Shepard]

It was a glass bottle, I assume.

[Laura LeBeau]

Glass bottle. You put it in a pan of water and you heat it up.

[Dax Shepard]

And you're also changing diapers with cloth and baby pins, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes. And my brother Rob was. He had quite a few bouts with a thing they called Rosie Ola, I think Rose. Have you heard of that?

[Monica Padman]

Delta had that. Did she did Rosioli. Remember we kept calling it Aioli. Yes. In New York last summer.

[Laura LeBeau]

Fevers.

[Monica Padman]

She didn't. Well we, we did some. It was self diagnosed Rosioli as.

[Dax Shepard]

As are most medical conditions in our house.

[Monica Padman]

But we think it was. She did have a fever one day or she was sick and then she just had this crazy. Remember her face looked crazy.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh yeah, yeah. She got that crazy rash.

[Monica Padman]

Crazy rash, yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Real rosy cheeks like.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, Rob and Robbie had that.

[Laura LeBeau]

Rob used to get it frequently. Well, I look back on it, maybe he had it a couple times, but in my memory it's frequently. And he would run these ridiculously high fevers and back. The theory was that you give them ice baths. So you would take a pan with water and ice in it and put bath towels in it. You'd lay one bath towel on the floor and put the baby on top and another ice towel on top of him while he screamed his lungs out.

[Dax Shepard]

And so medieval.

[Laura LeBeau]

It was medieval and it was the cruelest thing. And he would just scream, he's just a little baby. And so my mom and I would do that during the night and then I'd go to school the next morning.

[Dax Shepard]

You know, after torturing the little baby.

[Laura LeBeau]

Or giving him bottles during the night. So again, yeah, I feel like.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I similarly changed many of Carly's diapers. Not similarly. I never had to torture her with icy towels. But. But I did have to use those cloth diapers because that's what we use when Carly was born in 1981 or whatever. And boy, with my. I was very nervous about putting that big safety pin through the cloth and I thought I was going to stab the little baby. And she was so cute and she had a temper too.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, And I, you know, looking back on that, I mean, I really didn't have any options at the time. As you remember, you and David were my support system. However, looking back on it and knowing what I know now, I feel really sad for you guys because I feel like I put you in the same position that I hated being in.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, well. I have all kinds of things that I look back on and think could have been better. That's not one of them. And I definitely, you know, when. When Kristen and I brought Lincoln home from the hospital, I think generally new parents have a moment of panic when you leave the hospital and you glance in the backseat and you go, jesus Christ. They let us leave that hospital with a little human that's dependent on us. Or at least I've heard that from a lot of friends of mine who are dads. I did not have that at all. I was like, oh, I know how to do this. I was doing this at six and a half years old. I can totally. Yeah, you change their diapers and you give them food and you're good.

[Laura LeBeau]

Do you remember how great you guys were? I worked midnights at the GM proving grounds, and I would come home, I'd get off at 8, and I would fly home. I'd be home by like, 8:15. And I would come in and little Carly would always be dressed in a dress with pat leather shoes and tights with ruffles on the butt. And I'm talking. She was very little. And I would say, why didn't. Why didn't you put her in her little jammies? And it was like, she's a girl, mom. But if she would wake up, you know, before I got home, they would take her and they. Inevitably, babies always fill their drawers during the night. And so in order not to deal with it, like, I'd walk in the bedroom and there would be the changing table with her jammies from the night before and a poopy diaper, and there would be like 6,000 wipes all just packed on top of it. Like, they just touched it once and. And they would take her in the bathtub and just dunk her lower half of her body in the water to get her clean and then dress her. I mean, that. Come on. How loving is that?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I remember enjoying caring for her. So you were a little bit of a troublemaker, even though you were a nice girl. Yeah, we like you. And you're a nice person, a nice girl. But you also had a rebellious streak. And you were. You were a little. You were a vandal at times.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, there's that.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah. So you. You use. Well, what we would label now is a terrorist attack you performed in your high school. Because you. Go ahead, tell us you didn't like that. You were expected to take typ, Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

So when you say, are you a tomboy? Here's the things that I was a tomboy about. I.

[Dax Shepard]

Explosives.

[Laura LeBeau]

Explosives, by the way. We'll get to that. But my. I. I thought it was just so boring and awful and nasty that they expected girls to take shorthand and typing. It was like, I don't like this. I'm never going to be a secretary. And please, for anybody out there listening. I've had administrative assistants that worked for me that were far, far better at spelling, typing, and everything. And I depended on them, and they are awesome people. But for me, it sounded like going to the guillotine, and I just was not going to do that. So I had gone to my counselors, this is at Whitman Junior High, and I had gone to my counselor several times and said, I got to get out of this typing class. I hate this typing class. I hate it. I don't want to type. And they would say, you know, well, you know, it's middle semester or whatever. They give me some excuse. So finally, I had this boyfriend, Steve Stanley, who, by the way, had a 61 Chevy Biscayne.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, that's a great drag race car.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, and he had 409, painted the wheel wells white and put little lights in and put little spacers. So it was raised a little. This is a great car. But anyway, that's neither here nor there, except for the fact that that was the vehicle. We used to go down to Toledo when I skipped school the day before. And we had bought a bunch of cherry bombs.

[Dax Shepard]

Ohio in those days. I don't know what their stance is now, but very liberal fireworks policy compared to Michigan. If you wanted to get the good stuff, you had to go south.

[Laura LeBeau]

Right? Right. So here I am, 14 years old, and I have a boyfriend with a car. And so we go down.

[Dax Shepard]

Already a great recipe, but continue.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we. We skip school, and we go down get these cherry bombs. So the next day, of course, I have a few in my purse who. Who wouldn't carry them? And I went in. It was in between classes, and I went. And Mr. Stoner was the typing teacher. And I went in, and I was alone in the classroom, and I took out a cherry bomb and I lit it. I put it in between the keys, and it actually bent. This is an old fashioned typewriter. It actually bent the keys and blew the Formica off the desk. And as you know, cherry bombs are great for sound effect. They really give a lot of boom for the.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, Yep.

[Laura LeBeau]

So everybody in the school heard it, and everybody came running down. And I could have pretended that I just ran into the room and I was the first one there. Mr. Stoner came in and said, you know, he was crazy. You know, who did it? Who did it? And I said, well, I did, of course.

[Dax Shepard]

And really?

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh. Because I wanted to get out of that club.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay.

[Laura LeBeau]

It was deliberate.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, interesting.

[Laura LeBeau]

I wanted to be thrown.

[Dax Shepard]

You were like the person in a relationship who cheats just to get out of the relationship. You want to get caught so you don't have to deal with. Wow. So you just go, yeah, that. I did this.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Monica Padman]

Did it work? Did you get kicked out?

[Laura LeBeau]

I. I did get kicked out, and I actually got kicked out of school that day, which this is hilarious, because I came home from school, I walked home, and it's like noon, and I come in the back door of our house. My mother's in the kitchen. And my mother turns and gives me that hated look. And she. And of course I was nervous about it. I got kicked out of school. I started laughing. That didn't go over well. And she looked at me and she said, if anybody asks you your name, it is not Laura LeBeau.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, she disowned you.

[Laura LeBeau]

And she said, go sit on the couch and wait till your father gets home. So I went into the living room, sat on the couch.

[Dax Shepard]

By the way, that's going to be a long wait if you got home at noon.

[Laura LeBeau]

Heck, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I couldn't even go to the bathroom. I mean, it was. I was. I was stapled to the couch. So when my dad came in. And this is. I know we all have different memories of my dad, and him and I were co conspirators on many things. He had a great sense of humor. And he.

[Dax Shepard]

I was going to mention that you were head over heels in love with your dad, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And he came in and he sat in the chair opposite me, and he put his hand on his knee and his hand on his chin, like his elbow on his knee. And he looked at me and he said, you blew up a typewriter? And I said, yeah. And he just started to laugh and I laughed with him.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, boy. Oh, what your midgie must have been.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, my. I could feel it. I could feel her from the dining room staring at us with the daggers. And he just laughed hysterically. And ever after that he would come home from work and we had a thing at our in our family. Like he'd sit at the dinner table and my dad would say, you know, tom, what'd you do today? Larry, what'd you do today? You know, did you make the world a better place? And he said, he would always say to me, laura, did you blow up anything today? So it was great.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Laura LeBeau]

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[Dax Shepard]

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[Monica Padman]

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[Laura LeBeau]

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[Dax Shepard]

Ladies and germs, boys and girls, the Grinch is back again to ruin your Christmas season with Tis the Grinch Holiday Podcast. After last year, he's learned a thing or two about hosting and he's ready to rant against Christmas cheer and roast his celebrity guests like chestnuts on an open fire. You can listen with the whole family as guest stars like Jon Hamm, Brittney Broski, and Danny DeVito try to persuade the mean old Grinch that there' lot to love about the insufferable holiday season. But that's not all. Somebody stole all the children of Whoville's letters to Santa, and everybody thinks the Grinch is responsible. It's a real Whoville whodunit. Can Cindy Lou and Max help clear the Grinch's name? Grab your hot cocoa and cozy slippers to find out. Follow Tis the Grinch Holiday Podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts unlock weekly Christmas mystery bonus content and listen to every episode ad free by joining Wondery in the Wondery App, Spotify or Apple Podcasts.

[Laura LeBeau]

They say Hollywood is where dreams are made. A seductive city where many flock to get rich, be adored and capture America's heart. But when the spotlight turns off, fame, fortune and lives can disappear in an instant. When TV producer After Roy Raiden was found dead in a canyon near LA in 1983, there were many questions surrounding his death. The last person seen with him was.

[Dax Shepard]

Lainey Jacobs, a seductive cocaine dealer who desperately wanted to be part of the Hollywood elite.

[Laura LeBeau]

Together, they were trying to break into the movie industry. But things took a dark turn when a million dollars worth of cocaine and cash went missing. From Wondery comes a new season of.

[Dax Shepard]

The hit show Hollywood.

[Laura LeBeau]

Hollywood and Crime, the Cotton Club Murder. Follow Hollywood and Crime, the Cotton Club Murder on the Wondery app or wherever.

[Dax Shepard]

You get your podcasts.

[Laura LeBeau]

You can binge all episodes of the Cotton Club Murder early and ad free.

[Dax Shepard]

Right now by joining Wondery plus. So you make it to high school, shockingly, because you should be in a juvenile home, probably, probably from that pyrotechnics. But you go to high school and you meet a guy who's not conventionally handsome, is he? He's not, is he? It's not that he's like the most dashing guy there. He's a little heavier than your average Gene Kelly type, but, boy, he has a sweet car. Right. What's the first thing that attracts you to Dave Shepherd? My father.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, he had a great personality. I first noticed him on the bus. I don't know if you know all these stories, but I first noticed him on the bus. We rode the same. He was around the block for me.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you guys lived one street over.

[Laura LeBeau]

He was like, you say he was a large guy. He was a 6:1 or 6:2, and he was a big guy. And he would always very, very friendly to everybody. Always. And so he would always sit up front and talk to Barb, the bus driver. And so whenever Barb needed, the door didn't close. Well, on the bus, she would say, dave. And Dave would get up and he.

[Dax Shepard]

Would close, put some weight behind it.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yep. Fix the door for her. Anyway, so I knew him from the bus. And so one day, this girl Cindy, I can't think of her last name, but anyway, she sits next to me and she says, dave Shepard has a little crush on you. And I said, who's Dave Shepherd? And she says, you know, the big guy on the bus. That always helps Barb.

[Dax Shepard]

And I said, barb's best friend, Dave Shepherd.

[Laura LeBeau]

And like I said, I knew him from school. He was on the football team and stuff. I knew who he was. And I said, really? He's got. And I was new. We had just moved in. And I said, really? And she says, yeah, he wants.

[Dax Shepard]

What is this? 10th.

[Laura LeBeau]

10Th grade. Her name was Cindy Mitchell. And he says. She said, he wants to ask you out. And I said, oh, really? So a couple days go by, and I'm sitting on the bus, and he sits down next to me on the bus on the way home. And he says to me, would you like to go to a grasser? And a grasser in those days, you went to Edward Hines park and you laid on the grass and you drank. And it was usually happened on curriculum day, where he got out early. And I'd never been to one, but I'd heard about them. And he said, would you like to go to a grasser? And I said, oh, I don't know. I've never been to one. And he said, oh, I'm not asking you. I'm just telling you where there is one.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, he pulled the rug out.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. So I was kind of. All right. So then you think, okay, I got hit on the nose with the newspaper. I'd learned. But no. So spring comes and the prom. We didn't have a senior class that year. We had a junior class, and he was part of it. And so he comes and sits down next to me, and he says, do you have a date for the prom? And I said, no, thinking this is the setup question.

[Dax Shepard]

Sure.

[Laura LeBeau]

And he says, oh, I do.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, he's just sharing.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, wow.

[Laura LeBeau]

Anybody playing a real game, anybody in their right mind would have said, this guy's a jerk. So a little more time goes by, and I had. Was serving detention for skipping a semester of gym Again. Cindy Mitchell comes up to me and peeks. Her. She peeks her head into the principal's office.

[Dax Shepard]

She was a real cupid. She really wanted to see you paired up.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, I think your dad was leaning on her.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Laura LeBeau]

So anyways, he. He. She sticks her head in the principal's office and says, you know, hey, do you need a ride home? Well, I did need a ride home. I lived far. And. And this was not in the days where moms picked you up. So I said, sure. She said, There's a blue 61 or a 62 Chevy Impala. Meet me out there. She says, meet me out there in the Impala. And I said, okay. So I go out there, and the windows are rolled down, and nobody's in the car. But I get in the passenger seat, and I think it's Cindy Mitchell's car. Well, a couple minutes later, your dad walks out and gets in the driver's seat and starts the car. And I said, where's Cindy? He says, oh, she doesn't need a ride. I just had her go in there to ask you. So I got a ride home from him.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Laura LeBeau]

And then to follow up that he had asked Cindy for my phone number, but he forgot my name. So he called my house and my dad answered the phone and he said, is your daughter home?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, geez.

[Monica Padman]

Like, some of the parts are romantic, and then some of the parts are not romantic.

[Laura LeBeau]

I'm gonna say they're real. 15, 16 year old courtship.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah. Thank God he wasn't courting one of your brothers. Because if he had called and said, let me talk to your son, he'd say, well, I have five to choose from. He would need. Needed to know a name.

[Laura LeBeau]

Just FYI, at that time, he was driving that. Your grandma Yolis's car.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Laura LeBeau]

But shortly after that, he bought a 396 Chevelle 1968. And it was. With the fastback, it was just white.

[Dax Shepard]

With a black roof, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

No, no, no. White on white on white on white. Bill Grumpy Jenkins, that was the drag racer then, that always drove white Chevys. So it had. It had cragger mags and it had.

[Dax Shepard]

You know, dual exhaust, walker chamber exhaust.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[Dax Shepard]

And you were wild for that car, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, my God. It was like a love machine. He put in a little Sergio Mendez, you know.

[Dax Shepard]

What, what, what? Let's just say what. What a guy. He. Who's. What, what? 1968 high school kids listening to Sergio Mendez in a Chevelle. This is all very weird, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

It was very unconventional. I mean, most people were listening to the who, and I would get in and it was eight track tape decks, and he would literally like stick in a tape deck, and it's like, girl.

[Dax Shepard]

From ip, the fool on the Hill.

[Laura LeBeau]

And it's like, what the heck is he playing? But I liked it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Were you attracted to that? He was so confident.

[Laura LeBeau]

I was attracted to many things about him. He was, ah, was extremely kind to me. And he was. If I even like, hinted that there was something I liked or so. And so had this. I mean, he always worked. He. He would go out and buy it for me. And I don't mean it like, oh, he bought me things. I don't mean like that. No, it was more tender. It was more like he wanted to please me, wanted to make me happy.

[Dax Shepard]

And he was listening to you?

[Laura LeBeau]

Very much so.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

But your father was very, very in touch with his feminine side. This is a man that could have a conversation on the phone for hours and hours, huh?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, me too. He passed that on to me.

[Laura LeBeau]

Both you. Both you and your brother.

[Dax Shepard]

So things are going great. You guys are having a blast. But this, this. This all takes a turn. As much as you wanted babies, you unintentionally yeah. Became pregnant in 12th grade.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, kind of. Kind of not okay. I would say that I eventually wanted to marry your dad, but your dad was. When I was in 12th grade, he was in the Navy and I had applied to Western and I'd gotten accepted and I had big dreams of being a flight attendant. And so I.

[Dax Shepard]

Because you wanted to travel. You love traveling.

[Laura LeBeau]

Love to travel.

[Dax Shepard]

I. Yeah, that's not stopped.

[Laura LeBeau]

That's not stopped.

[Dax Shepard]

You have wanderlust.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes. I think in part gypsy, but. So I had intentions of going to college and being a flight attendant and doing all these things and then getting married and having kids while he came home from boot camp. And to say that it was unintentional is sort of true and sort of not because, oh, I was also supposed to go to Europe that summer. I had worked at Sears saving money to go to Europe on this student exchange program. And so I definitely did not want to get pregnant. But at the same time, at the moment, you know, I knew I would get pregnant and I made the conscious decision of, well, so then we'll get married. You know, like. So I can't say it was unintentional, but it was unplanned.

[Dax Shepard]

Cognitive dissonance. You were juggling two different goals that were contradictory in pursuing both at the same time.

[Laura LeBeau]

I think this is what you would call 17 year old experience and logic. Making a good decision. Yeah, I. When I graduated, I was four months and no one knew I was pregnant.

[Dax Shepard]

No. But give me just a context. How many girls. Because that was Vietnam. How many girls were getting pregnant in high school back then? Was it like 10? Is it less? Is it more?

[Laura LeBeau]

I don't know what the percentage was in my.

[Dax Shepard]

It was common, though.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. And it was common for both males and females. I mean, I. There were probably six or seven of us in my senior class that were married at graduation.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

That's pretty wild.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, it was a different time. It was, you know, like, I can remember in my senior year, maybe in the fall or not positive, but in my senior year I can remember there was a girl in school that. What was his name? Dan. Anyway, it doesn't matter his name, but he was killed in action and she was engaged to him. And so here she is engaged in senior year, which is not uncommon. A lot of girls in my class were engaged to guys from the upper class that had gone to Vietnam. And I just remember being so sad for her that she had lost him.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah. That's brutal.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

At 17 or 18.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

So, dad, somehow he gets out of the Navy, right? You guys write some kind of letter and say, no one's going to support this kid. Isn't that how it kind of worked?

[Laura LeBeau]

Kinda. He went to his regular Thursday night meeting and your dad was quite a salesman. And he went up and bold face lied, told the commanding officer that he loved the Navy, wanted to be a lifer. And he just really, just was really concerned about me, that I might lose the baby and stuff. I was never sick a day.

[Dax Shepard]

The whole time I was crying, Jesus.

[Laura LeBeau]

And the guy said, well, listen, listen, Dave, I'll tell you what. And he gave him the paperwork and he said, have everybody in your family over 21 sign the papers that they will not support her and the baby if something happens to you. We'll get you an honorable hardship discharge. When she has the baby, come on back. I'll make sure you get all your time that. Yeah. And he was like, you know, are you sure? You know, he really, you know, played it up really good and he had a deferment. And within days of getting that deferment, they stopped giving hardship to vermis.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, really?

[Laura LeBeau]

So he just got in under the wire.

[Dax Shepard]

So you have David, my older brother.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And you guys moved to a little apartment?

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, actually had a little house.

[Dax Shepard]

I thought you moved to Deer Creek first.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, that was a few years later.

[Dax Shepard]

But yeah, it was okay.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, we lived in.

[Dax Shepard]

Started in a house.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, it was a little two bedroom house in At Ford Road, middle belt in Garden City. It was.

[Dax Shepard]

You were happy.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, so happy.

[Dax Shepard]

You are. You loved being a mom.

[Laura LeBeau]

I loved being a mom. I loved being a good wife to your dad. Like, I mean, I remember, like, you know, I got. Would get up in the morning while he was getting dressed and I would pack him a lunch and make him breakfast and I would walk him out to the car and he would back the car up and I'd close the gate behind him. And when he would come home, I would have bath water waiting for him and I would have dinner ready. And it was, I don't know, is like playing house, I guess.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how long of playing house before you go like, oh, okay, well, that was fun, but I got a whole lot of life ahead of me and maybe I want to do more stuff.

[Laura LeBeau]

And kind of happen in increments. As years went by. He became very successful selling cars. He was really, really good at it and he made very good money. And we bought a bigger house and all that thing. And we had friends that traveled and went Places and did things and. How do I say this it. We got distracted. We got distracted by running fast, you.

[Dax Shepard]

Know, having things and going places.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Hosting parties.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. And it was just.

[Dax Shepard]

We have lots of pictures of my childhood and we lived on a couple acres and there were these gigantic outdoor parties and right. Halloween there would be hay rides and there were a lot of drunks around and there were dune buggies and motorcycles. Sounds so fucking fun. By the way, I hope my retirement is exactly like it was, very fun.

[Laura LeBeau]

But we lost track of things and alcohol became a more ever present thing because in the early years, I mean, we were 17 and 18 when we got married, we weren't legally able to drink and so we didn't do anything like that. And you know, pot became a bigger thing and we even grew our own pot out there and.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, and you weren't a big drinker, but you love smoking pot and growing pot, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

I did, but I was a social pot smoker. And so it went from being like, oh, we would have people over, you pass a joint around to. Then it was a good escape. It was real easy if he was high, that I could get on the other couch and zone out and listen to music. And then I feel like, you know, in between, I had started going to college. You know, your grandma had really encouraged me to go to college. And it was like, wow, there's more out there. There's more out there. And I. I feel like I was lonely for him. I was lonely for the communication that we used to have. I was lonely for.

[Dax Shepard]

And he was gone. He worked pretty far away.

[Laura LeBeau]

He worked far away and he worked a zillion hours. I mean, there came a point where I remember, you know, saying to him, you know, I don't. I don't care about the money. You know, I just want you to be home with me. I just want to have that. That. And you know, it's. It's hard, you know, once you've.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Well, you get on the treadmill. He got a cool truck, then he got an ltd, then he jacked up the truck, then he got a great tractor, then he got dirt bikes then, you know. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

It's all the things that you would.

[Dax Shepard]

Think he loved things.

[Laura LeBeau]

Symbol of success.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And again, providing for me.

[Dax Shepard]

And his parents were very modest, so this was kind of like the way he had wanted to live, probably.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yes. And so you. I come along.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. And I'm a hard baby. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, the first, the first four or five months with you was Treacherous. Because there was a.

[Dax Shepard]

You almost kill me. Right. You. There were times where you were nervous I was gonna die of shaking baby.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. I was gonna say. Let's just say shaken baby hadn't been identified yet, but I may have invented it.

[Dax Shepard]

But you brought me home to a single wide mobile home.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes. Well, let's back up here. Okay. We had been living in Deer Creek, that apartment, and I got pregnant with you. And your dad came home from work one day and he had sold a car to a guy named Kenny, and he managed a mobile home park out in Highland. And he said, hey, I've got.

[Dax Shepard]

Which, by the way, is the country compared to where you guys were living. Island was the country.

[Laura LeBeau]

Very much the country.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And he came home and said, you know, Kenny says he's got this repossessed mobile home that we can get into for dirt cheap. And I really wanted a house. And he said, you know, we can get into this really dirt cheap. And at that time, there was a lot of stuff on the news about mobile homes burning down really quickly.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Or they were always blowing away in a tornado.

[Laura LeBeau]

You name it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I mean, they've come a long way. But anyway, so at that time, I was very terrified of that. So he said, you know, on this Sunday afternoon, he says, come on, let's go out there and take a look at this mobile home. And so we get out of the car and I walk in the front door, I walk through the mobile home, I walk out the back door and I go sit in the car. And he says, he gets back in the car and he says, I don't think you're being very open minded about this. I said, I'm not living in a tin can that's going to catch fire, you know, that's just not going to do that. And he said, well, if you can afford the rent on the apartment, you're welcome to stay because I'm moving here.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow.

[Laura LeBeau]

He bought it without me.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay. Which was his kind of his move. Right. He wanted motorcycles. You said, no, I want a house. We need a house. And then you came out Christmas morning, there was two motorcycles in the house. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

They were out in the parking lot. He said, look out the window. Your presence out there. And I looked out there as two months ago, I said, I didn't want motorcycles. And he said, oh, it's gonna be great fun. And he was right. It was great fun.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You really took to it once you got.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, God, I loved it. Yeah. But anyway, when you brought me home.

[Dax Shepard]

To a Mobile home. And you're out in the country and you don't have a car. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

There was a recession. That. That. The. Guessing. That was the Christmas. Where you weren't allowed to have Christmas lights and stuff and the oil embargo and. Yes, yes, yes. So here. Yeah. So your dad's not selling any car. So we only have his company car. So I'm literally in a mobile home with a kid that's got colic. Colic that you screamed night and day. It never ended. And you could just. And I didn't know the tricks that you have put the babies on reset.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, right, right. The five S's and all that.

[Laura LeBeau]

I didn't. I wasn't aware of that stuff. And I would just walk with you and I would pat your back and I would rock you, and I would.

[Dax Shepard]

Also, you were strongly, strongly urged by Migra, Grandma Yolis, my dad's mother, who you worshiped. Right. Because she was a double master's degree holder in history and science. And she said, you do not breastfeed these kids.

[Laura LeBeau]

She said, you're. You're too high strung. You're too active. You're. You won't have enough milk for them, and you'll be.

[Dax Shepard]

Just be tethered to these babies.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I. So I believed her and I didn't breastfeed, which maybe had I breastfed, you wouldn't have had all the stomach issues, but you were in dire straits, and so they tried you soy milk. They tried, you know, this, this, this, all these different kinds of formulas. And finally, well, we ended up settling on. The first few months you were alive was caro syrup and water.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, that just can't be enough for a baby to live on. Right.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, my gosh.

[Laura LeBeau]

That's all his stomach could tolerate. I mean, he just was in misery.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. But can you imagine? I mean, what's in caro syrup? Just sugar.

[Monica Padman]

Sugar.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes. You're getting calories.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. But I mean. Yeah. And just that.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, God.

[Dax Shepard]

And you were just a miracle. I should have been six. Five, maybe.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, you were a screamer. And so there were times that I would get so frustrated that I just couldn't. That I would. It's January. I would put on my coat and sit on the step of the motorhome mobile home outside because I was afraid I would hurt you. The crying was just more than I could deal with.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I finally went.

[Dax Shepard]

And you weren't really smoking pot yet, so you couldn't have.

[Laura LeBeau]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Fired up a dubious.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, I had smoked pot at that Point. But I was not. Obviously you weren't caring. Yeah. And I wasn't self medicating to get away from it, which maybe might have been a good idea, but yeah. Anyway. But I remember going to the doctor, to the pediatrician and saying. Because I took you a thousand times, like something is wrong with him. He's screaming bloody murder, you know.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I finally said to the doctor, I said, I need you to give him something to make him stop crying. If you can't give him something. I need you to give me something. I'm afraid I'm gonna hurt him. And I was dead serious. I mean, I was just at the end of my run rope and so he finally begrudgedly gave me. I think it was called paregoric.

[Dax Shepard]

Paregoric?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, it was these little blue drops. And I would put one or two. He said, use this very sparingly.

[Dax Shepard]

He said, oh, it was for me.

[Laura LeBeau]

And he said, yeah. And he said, if you. Because I couldn't even get a babysitter. I told him, I can't even get a babysitter. Nobody will sit with him. Nobody. I mean it was. Oh, it was. And if I would like go to the grocery store, I would say to his dad, I need to go to the grocery store. I need to get out of the house and I need to get groceries. He would say, well, take that kid with you. Don't leave that kid. So I take you to the grocery store, up and down the aisle screaming bloody murder.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh boy. Oh boy.

[Laura LeBeau]

And you were.

[Dax Shepard]

I couldn't do it.

[Laura LeBeau]

Can I just throw in the part about you not being a really pretty baby?

[Dax Shepard]

Right. Yeah, yeah, right. I was breech, so my head was very deformed when I came out.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, you, you were, I think carried with me.

[Dax Shepard]

I have a lot of incongruity in my face.

[Laura LeBeau]

You are a beautiful person. But you were, you had a Carl mold and nose and you look like somebody. You look like a tomato that somebody had thrown down on the ground. One side was small.

[Dax Shepard]

It's not an exaggeration to say one side of my head and face was at least 60% bigger than the other side. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

You, you were a little rough looking.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

As your dad said when you were born, he's ugly, but he's ours. But I would take you to the grocery store places. I'm not exaggerating, Monica. People would like, like lift up the blanket and take a peek at his head and they would go, he's a big one. Or. And I. And it got to me.

[Monica Padman]

Where?

[Laura LeBeau]

It was funny to me because I knew they were not going to say, oh, what a cutie. They would say, is it a boy? I mean, they would.

[Dax Shepard]

What is this thing?

[Monica Padman]

They would search for words, but you.

[Laura LeBeau]

Can see their faces.

[Dax Shepard]

Is it a plantain? Is it a rhubarb? What is.

[Laura LeBeau]

But then by the time he was like four months, he was the cutest little. Oh, he was so adorable. Cute.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, my cheeks really came in powerfully.

[Laura LeBeau]

Right, and your head straightened out.

[Dax Shepard]

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[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Dirt bikes, a day out of Mom. Everything was great.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, in fact, even now, in my current home, when I ride my tractor to cut my grass, I often say a secret prayer to myself and say, don't be an idiot. Don't. Don't blow this this time. This is your happiest. Because I remember on Middle Road being so happy, riding the tractor, cutting the grass and two little boys. I. We had a dump cart on the tractor and I'd put the boys in the dump cart and I would take them out in the woods and we would find wild pear trees and pick pears and it was just like heaven. It was like everything I ever wanted. It was just. I was so incredibly happy. It was perfect.

[Dax Shepard]

And then things go sideways and we don't need to get into that. Yeah, just 23 year olds being married with two kids. Pressure. He's not home, you guys. God knows what kind of Hanky panky are both up to. But suffice to say, you leave dad.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

In 1978. I'm three. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yep.

[Dax Shepard]

This is a very bold decision. How much fear did you have going into it? You did.

[Laura LeBeau]

I would have left sooner had I not been afraid. I was very afraid of how I was going to support you and David. I was well aware that it costs money to rent an apartment, to buy groceries, to do things. And I had been a housewife. And although I had two years of college, I did not have a degree. I did not have a skill set other than waitressing. And I really didn't know how I would support you. And I started sending resumes once a month to the GM proving grounds. And every 30 days I'd send a new one in. And I got this call and it was in July. And they said, we have a position, a per diem position as a janitor. And I thought, jesus, I got two years of college. Do I want to be a janitor? And I said, how much does it pay? And they said, 50, 75 a day.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, that sounds pretty good for $50.

[Laura LeBeau]

And 75 cents a day. That was gigantic. It was like winning the lotto. Well, in my world, anyway, I said, yeah, I'll come down for the interview. And I got the job. Your dad called me. He called that afternoon. He said, how'd your interview go? And I go, really, really good. I got the job. And he said, so you're leaving, aren't you?

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, wow. Just like that. Yeah. He knew it was in the tea leaves.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. And I said, yes, I am. And he said, okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow. Here's the part that confuses me and of course is exhibit A. When I. I used to build my case against dad and why I hated him. How on earth is the decision. You're getting divorced. He'll. He'll keep the house. He'll stay there. He'll stay in the three bedroom house on the property and you'll move to a little apartment.

[Laura LeBeau]

An ADC special.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. I. I don't even remember. I don't remember.

[Dax Shepard]

You just feel like you felt guilty about leaving and taking the kids and you thought then I didn't want to take. Just keep that house.

[Laura LeBeau]

He had worked hard. He deserved everything. I walked away. Okay, I took maybe guilt, motivated maybe, maybe guilt. I mean, yeah, possibly it could have.

[Dax Shepard]

Been guilt because you deserved, first of all, you deserved half of everything.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, I didn't feel that. I felt like he had worked really, really hard. I knew how hard he worked.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. But the part of the deal was you were a house slave who cooked all the meals, cleaned the house, raised the two kids, so he got to have everything he wanted. Cut the grass. His life was turnkey because he went and worked. So it was a partnership. But. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

At any rate, you didn't ask for anything?

[Laura LeBeau]

I didn't ask for anything.

[Dax Shepard]

But that just. That's always been hard for me to swallow because let's just say if, for whatever reason, Kristen and I got divorced and she left with the two kids, and my two little beautiful daughters were gonna go live in a welfare apartment, and I was gonna stay in our house. I just. I really will never wrap my head around that.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. Maybe it was different times. I don't know. Maybe I raised you better. Not that his parents didn't say. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

They could not have been proud of that decision.

[Laura LeBeau]

They were. Your. Your papa Bob was very angry with him, huh?

[Dax Shepard]

Because they loved you.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So you start out on your own. You have a job as a janitor. We moved to this. You know, it was. It was the. I don't think I'm exaggerating. Say it was the worst apartment building in our area.

[Laura LeBeau]

It was pretty bad.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it was pretty rough. That one of the. One of the tenants who was crazy, wanted to murder my brother.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. Drove a car up on the grass, chasing him with a car, tried to kill him.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Real crazy stuff happening right out of the gates when we got to this place.

[Laura LeBeau]

You've seen that movie about a boy? It's. It's a. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

It's similar to that, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. It was a rough go.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

So it's a pretty boyhood. Boyhood.

[Laura LeBeau]

Is that what it is?

[Dax Shepard]

The one boyhood? Yeah. Yeah. That Richard Linklater. Yeah. Yeah. Such a great movie. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

When I saw that movie, I cried my eyes out. I thought, oh, my God, I'm not the only one that lived this life. And she wasn't bad. She just kept making bad decisions.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I've never, ever related to a movie more. The scene in that movie where they're at the table and that stepdad is drunk and they're all waiting to see how bad this is gonna get. I was just like, oh, my God, I've sat in that chair a hundred times, and I know. Oh, man, did it bring me back.

[Laura LeBeau]

God, that movie. Just to me, watching the professor come up to her. Then professor, but later, husband come up to her and just be so kind to her and tell her how he thinks the boy is Just a wonderful person. And oh, all boys do this and stuff like that. And just baiting her and then seeing her out in the garage and him just talking so horrible about her children and just being slapping her and stuff. It's like, oh my God, this is my life. This is my life. I fell for it every time.

[Dax Shepard]

I've always been dying since seeing that movie to talk to him and ask if that was his life. I don't know how he could do that, that authentically without having had that experience.

[Laura LeBeau]

It was a great movie.

[Dax Shepard]

So you now, when you start as a janitor, you don't start on night shift, do you?

[Laura LeBeau]

No, I started on day shift and I worked six weeks as a janitor and there was a posting for an opportunity to go into material control. So I applied for that. And they had never had women in material control. And what material control is, is not only do you unload trucks and you put parts away, but they send you to school and you learn how to build a car top to bottom. And so when you're in an environment that they're using current model cars and that are a mix of future model cars, you're always trying to figure out parts when they're.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, they're using old parts to create prototypes.

[Laura LeBeau]

So you have to realize. Yeah. And so anyway, so I went through that training. So I went from day shift to afternoon shift to midnight shift and then after the training was done, then I was on afternoon shift for a couple years and then I was on midnight shift shift and in midnight shift then I went to fleet operations and I started working with computers and.

[Dax Shepard]

And how are you juggling? Because you didn't have babysitters when we lived in Middle Road, but now you have to like have pretty full time assistance. Right. Because we're. Yeah, because I'm three. So you're dropping me at the. My little cottage or whatever.

[Laura LeBeau]

When you were three, you went to.

[Dax Shepard]

My little cottage in Milford and David went to school.

[Laura LeBeau]

And David went to school. So that was day shift. And when I went to afternoon shift, that's when I ended up with the babysitter cycle. And that was.

[Dax Shepard]

It must have been so stressful.

[Laura LeBeau]

I. When I think of moms today that work. It's your job is not the hard part. Keeping the house up is not your hard part. The hard part is solving daycare. Yeah, it's a constant solving daycare.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Because these are young hourly employees. So they're calling in all the time. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

Or they're just not quit. They don't show up, you know, just. And you know, you're constantly. At first, you start out with these. I'm not leaving my kids with anybody. That's not, you know, I interview them and make sure they're really good.

[Dax Shepard]

By the end, you're like, oh, their eyes were open.

[Laura LeBeau]

If you find a stranger on the street that'll sit there with them, you've got to be at work because, you know, you're on probation because you've missed days because of babysitters.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, man, sounds so stressful.

[Laura LeBeau]

It's horrible.

[Dax Shepard]

So you're also, you're at work on, I assume, afternoon shift one time and you get a call from one of our babysitters and what, what happens?

[Laura LeBeau]

I hear this for the babysitter was Robin Wakeford. And she says, I need to put Dax on the phone. And I said, what's happened? And she says, I'm going to let him tell you. And she was clearly upset. And I hear this little voice, come on. And you're like three and a half, four years old.

[Dax Shepard]

And I. Delta's age. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I hear this little voice, I said, dad, did you do something bad? I threw a rock through the auto parts window. And I. Now, I want you to know I did not condone him using this language and I did not encourage this language. And so I said, wait a minute. And I pressed speaker and I let my co workers hear this. So hilarious.

[Dax Shepard]

And I was presumably. First of all, my older brother urged me to throw the rock through the auto parts window. And then I have to imagine he also gave me the line to tell you. I mean, he must have suggested I say threw a fucking rock through the. Yeah, he and I got. We were really.

[Laura LeBeau]

You were terrified.

[Dax Shepard]

I was starting to feel the first part of being unsupervised, which, by the way are some of the highlights of my childhood, is that we were also. We would just stand on the side of the road and we'd throw shit at cars. And I threw a mat. My David told me to throw this car mat and it hit a guy's windshield and the guy swerved off the road. Then he chased us. My brother left me in the dust. The man caught me. There was just, you know, it was the beginning of a lot of mischief, I think.

[Laura LeBeau]

Suffice to say that I just was in Florida the other day and my brother Tom was telling me stories about you and when I wasn't around, when you would visit Grandma for the summer, in the summer. And suffice to say, everybody that knows you and David would Say things behind my back that I'm now learning about how awful you guys were.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

They were terrorists. They were a tag team.

[Dax Shepard]

This isn't in defense of my bad behavior, but because I started saying when you were on day shift, you came home. I'm sorry. Afternoon shift. We were asleep and you shook us awake and you said, come on, let's go. Let's get in the car. And it's like 2 in the morning.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I know where you're going.

[Dax Shepard]

You have cans of spray paint. And we go to a apple orchard that is down the road from our house. And this apple orchard. What did the sign say?

[Laura LeBeau]

It said, pick your own apples. And so I encourage the kids. We sprayed over the word apples and we wrote the word nose so that.

[Dax Shepard]

The billboard said pick your own nose for 5 cents or something.

[Laura LeBeau]

And we.

[Dax Shepard]

But it was like a middle of the night operation.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, and how about when we took the sign and put it on Ray Barnes store that said hard salami because I knew he was courting that girl. And we brought that. And I painted the water tower. Happy birthday, David. In Milford.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I scaled a fence to paint the water tower. Spray paint.

[Monica Padman]

So it was in your.

[Dax Shepard]

It was in blood, I think came by it honestly.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, there were many, many scotch taping. The placemats and the napkins.

[Dax Shepard]

That's one of the funniest ones. My mother always carried Scotch tape in her purse for. For. I don't know why, but one of the things was we were at an ice cream shop in Greektown in downtown Detroit, and there were two workers. One of them was behind the counter. The other one was dead asleep, clearly hungover at a table. And the guy that was alert kept nudging him, going, hey, man, my shift's over in five minutes. You gotta wake up and run the place. And the guy's like, oh, yeah, no problem, I'm on it. So that the responsible one leaves his shifts over, the other guy goes right back to sleep. So we're just in this ice cream parlor with unattended. And so my mom goes, oh, I have tape in my purse. Let's make signs that say, build your own all you can eat Sundays 25 cents. Which at the time was. They were. That was free. That was a hell of a bargain. So we sat there. We must have took 30 minutes. We made big signs with crayons. And then we taped it to the window. And then we went across the street and we just sat there and watched.

[Laura LeBeau]

We sat on the curb and watched.

[Dax Shepard]

And more and more People start going in there right now. The place is getting very full of people who want this incredible deal. And of course, the guy sleeping's now up, but he. He can't put two and two together. And there. There's a lot of folks in there before you finally see him go to the window and tear the signs down where he figures out why.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, boy.

[Dax Shepard]

That's a good prank, Monica.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, you guys are good pranksters.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So we are. You know, again, in my memory, we're there for a while, but probably we're not, like, by my now timeline, we're not in those apartments long, huh? We're in there one year. One year. Okay. Oh, and I just want to add one thing that was so great about my mom. My brother was obsessed with Kiss, and she knew he was bummed that we were leaving Middle Road and everything. His motorcycle. So she hand painted murals of every member of Kiss on her wall. And she did a phenomenal job. It was really sweet.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I used metallic paint and I painted it on the wall opposite of the street light outside. So at night the light would come in, and it's pretty darn good.

[Monica Padman]

That's cool.

[Dax Shepard]

You probably didn't get your deposit back because of that.

[Laura LeBeau]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

So we then moved. We moved to at the end of Main street, which was a step up. This is. I told the story the other day that we had Jewish neighbors and that was the first Jewish people I met. And I couldn't figure out what was different about them other than that they drove a beetle bug. And I assumed all Jewish people drove beetle bugs. I was like, oh, I guess that's what's different about that. I don't really know what's different about them.

[Laura LeBeau]

You were a human scab in that place because you were learning to ride a two wheeler.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. Crashing regularly. But you, at this point now you meet. We can say his name because he's passed away. You meet Greg, who's a friend of my dad's, and you guys fall in love quite quickly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quick courtship. And then you get married. And when you guys are dating, he has two jobs. Very productive. And then you guys get married and.

[Laura LeBeau]

He has zero jobs.

[Dax Shepard]

And then he has. He goes down to zero jobs. Right. And we're not there too long either. Right. How long are we at the end of Main Street?

[Laura LeBeau]

A year.

[Dax Shepard]

A year. And so this. This marriage goes south quickly. And I think you could be very illuminating to a lot of us, because when I have been on the outside listening to women who are caught in A cycle of an abusive relationship. It's so hard for me to comprehend how you could stay in that. And you are a very, very strong woman. And so I think it would be enlightening to know what, what is happening mentally when you're going through that because you don't take shit from anybody, yet you ended up taking shit from somebody, Right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, boy. I think what goes through is I had kids. Again, I'm thinking about one of the things that was an issue with him was he was unable to tell the truth and he was a drug addict. And so I had gone from being self supporting with you and David to marrying him and taking on a ton of debt because he was constantly charging things at a gas station that the guy would give him cash so he could put it up his nose and things like that. So. So by the time I was aware that this was not a good situation. I need to leave. I need to get my kids out of this. I need to get me out of this. It was like I was so in debt. What am I going to do? How am I going to support this? How am I going to move on? That was one issue, and that was a big issue because again, you know, I'm pretty logical.

[Dax Shepard]

That's a pragmatic issue.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, right. But the emotional issue is I was brought up super duper Catholic and I being divorced from your dad was, to say sinful and a disappointment to my parents would be an extreme understatement. And I felt a lot of shame about that. And so now here I am, married less than a year. It's a very bad situation. I've been kicked around the kitchen, bounced off the floor. Humans do bounce. And I, I need to get away. And yet I cannot not admit defeat. I cannot the foul. The second failure thing was so. I was so ashamed. So, so ashamed. And it was just beyond me to, you know, like, I'll just try harder. I'll just try harder. I'll figure this out.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And it was just a very bad situation.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you guys go to counseling or anything?

[Laura LeBeau]

The first time I was physically abused, I kicked him out and I stayed in the house. This time I was getting smarter. I kicked him out and his mom called me and really pleaded his case and how sorry he was and he would go to counseling. So, okay, I took him back and we went to counseling. I'm gonna say maximum two times. And that was the end of the counseling. He was not up for that. And so then the behavior was repeated again.

[Dax Shepard]

Sure.

[Laura LeBeau]

Counseling didn't work. Talking about it didn't work. And then it happened again. And when it happened again, I didn't know it, but I was pregnant with Carly. And I. Right away, the next day, a friend of mine came over. Nels?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And he. Yep. He changed all the locks on my door, and he bandaged me up. He was so nice. And I went to the lawyer, and I was sitting in the lawyer's office, and they said, are there any children from this marriage? And I said, no. And then I started thinking, oh, my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Like, it started occurring to you at that moment. I'm pregnant.

[Laura LeBeau]

It occurred to me, when was my last period? Oh, God. Oh, my God. If I'm late, I'm pregnant. I'm never not pregnant. Oh, my God. And I just had this real, like. Oh. And I didn't say anything to the lawyer. I went down in the lobby, I called your dad from a pay phone, and I said, oh, my God, I think I'm pregnant. I just. You know, I just filed for divorce, and I think I'm pregnant. And your dad said to me, tell them it's mine. I won't deny it, and I'll take care of it. Just go ahead and divorce him. And. And he said, unless you want to have an abortion, and if you do, I'll drive you, and, you know, I'll be supportive. So I said, I can't afford three kids. I just can't. This is no way I can do this alone.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

So I scheduled. I went to the doctor, scheduled an abortion. And when I went for the abortion, my doctor said, let's just see if we can get a heartbeat. See how far you are. And he put it on speaker, and I heard the heartbeat. And I believe very much in abortion. I think it's a necessary option for people that need an option. But for me, I could not do it right. And so I decided to have her. So then I was single and pregnant with two kids, and it was just like I would. I remember riding my bike in Oxford Acres, and I would ride past people's houses, and I would see their lights on and think that they were all having dinner together as a family. And I would cry on my bike and say, why can't I have this? Why. Why am I. I'm so not good at this. I just can't figure this out. It was awful.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

It was a bad time in my life, and financially, I was just so. Because I had to provide him a car. I had to pay him half the house.

[Dax Shepard]

But. But. But. But that's. That's down the road because he then joins us in Tara and he lives there when Carly's born.

[Laura LeBeau]

He came back for a short period of time.

[Dax Shepard]

Again, that's my memories of him being violent is in that house.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, yeah. Yep.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And he was a very physically imposing guy. He was like a athlete. He had played in the minor leagues for Red Sox or something. Yeah, yeah. And he was. You'd come home from work and Carly would be crying and he. Carlit pooped her diaper. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

The worst one was I. Well, he. He kept the car, so he had a car. So he would drop me off at work. I work afternoons and he's supposed to pick me up at midnight. And on several occasions, he would get hammered and not show up. And there was a time I walked from the proving grounds at midnight back to Oxford Acres.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, Jesus.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. And there were times that Nels would be suspicious and Nels would come back and give me a ride. Nels was my gay friend. He was just the most wonderful buddy. Anyway, this one particular time, he did not show up. Did not show up. And Nels and this other girl, my little buddies, they were suspicious and they came back to the proving grounds, like, at 1:00 in the morning, and I'm still sitting there waiting for Greg to pick me up. And they came and got me and they drove me home and they said, you know, we'll come in the house with you. Because again, Nels was very suspicious of what would be the situation. We opened the front door again.

[Dax Shepard]

What a brave, sweet guy. Because he was not physically imposing. Throw himself in that situation.

[Laura LeBeau]

Such a good friend. And we opened the door and smoke is billowing out the front door. The smoke alarms are going off. The stove is on fire. Flames shooting out of the fire. And my children are asleep. All three of them are asleep in the house. And he is passed out drunk on the family room floor. And there's.

[Dax Shepard]

The house is on fire.

[Laura LeBeau]

This. The stakes are on fire in the stove.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God.

[Laura LeBeau]

And it was like, okay, so, you know, Nels is putting out the fire. Diane's helping me get the kids out of bed and out on the front lawn to breathe. You know, I just. It was like, that's.

[Dax Shepard]

That's very chaotic.

[Laura LeBeau]

It was very chaotic. So shortly after that, there was the. The breakfast departure, which we all know the story of the breakfast departure well.

[Dax Shepard]

But there was another. There was another moment in that that I. I think you considered killing him at one point. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

One time I had been beat up pretty bad. Badly And I. I was really in bad shape. And I was up in the bedroom, locked in the bedroom. And he eventually passed out on the couch in the family room. And I got up because it was quiet, and I came down into the kitchen and I had a cast iron skillet that Grandma Yoles had given me. And I took the skillet and I went to the couch and I stood over him and I was so black and blue all over. I mean, my logic was, I'm going to take the cast iron skillet and I'm going to hit him on the head and I'm going to smash his brains out. And when the police get here, they will see how physically beat up I am and it will be self defense and it'll be okay. And I stood for a very long time. And then two thoughts ran through. The first one, which was not the most overpowering, which was, if I don't kill him in the first swing, he'll get up and use the pan on me.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

The second thought, which is the one that won, was if you kill him and if you don't get off on self defense, the kids will be alone. I cannot lose my kids. I went back upstairs and locked the door and I did not do it. But that's how desperate I was. I was very.

[Dax Shepard]

And we saved you a couple times throughout your life, right? That same rationale where you were contemplating hurting yourself and that kind of was the life raft.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, that's it. Because I knew because at that time, your dad was using very heavily and my family lived far away.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And it was like I was literally all that you guys had, Right?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And I knew that Carly, dad couldn't raise the three of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I knew that this was. Yeah. I could not.

[Dax Shepard]

If you're wondering why would I just drag my mom down this terribly traumatic memory lane? I think what's really powerful and amazing about your story is if you are 28 years old right now and you're getting beat up and your life is miserable and you think that's it and that's the rest of your life. What's coming is so beautiful and there's so much ahead. There was so much ahead for you. I can't imagine in those moments you felt like there was so much ahead for you.

[Laura LeBeau]

There was so much. I was so far in debt and it was such. My self esteem was so smashed. It was so. It was such a horrible, horrible time that looking back on it, I'm amazed. That was my life. I'm amazed.

[Dax Shepard]

You know, because it feels like someone else's or a movie or something.

[Laura LeBeau]

It really does. Yeah, it really. Because, you know, well, even I would say even at 17, you know, being pregnant and my father was very disappointed in me and made some very hurtful remarks to me. And I would say to anybody that is in that situation, any bad decisions that you've made that you got yourself there, that was that decision. And tomorrow is another day and you can choose again.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

Dust your knees off. You can choose again.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You keep picking.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yep. You're saying to yourself, Monica, that, oh my God, I've met this lady a lot of times. I would never think she'd be that stupid to be in a situation.

[Monica Padman]

No, that's. That's the opposite of what I was thinking. I was thinking that how easy it is to get there.

[Laura LeBeau]

So easy. Yeah, it is so easy.

[Monica Padman]

And I think it's easy to say, like, I would never. It would never be me. I would be stronger.

[Laura LeBeau]

People that are like that, in my opinion, are such top drawer bamboozlers.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I mean, there's been books that have been written called Smart Women, Foolish Choices. And it's like, I know really smart women that are incredible. I worked with a lady that. She was like my role model. And she was really a great person and sent herself to school to become an engineer, then got a master's in business and just did all sorts of things. And I know two different times that she was in relationships that she just like would come home from a business trip and her husband was in bed with another woman or met this guy and he promised her the moon and all he did was ring up her charge cards and stuff and not work. And she left her in complete debt. Like it happens. Because we want to believe. We want to believe.

[Monica Padman]

Exactly. I think that people underestimate that power, but also that I'm sure what is maybe hard to admit after the fact that he was also giving you something he was in or at some point did.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

So there's also that. That. Well, maybe that'll come back or that was.

[Laura LeBeau]

Well, I. I think that there's. There's something else involved here that maybe. I don't know if anybody else can relate to this, but maybe it's only the time or the era that I grew up in. But being prom queen or being the head cheerleader or all those things that we, when we're very young and impressionable and, you know, we haven't got things figured out, those things kind of cement like, I don't want to say maybe Values or criteria to judge yourself by. Yeah. And so I think that we become, for me, somebody telling you you're pretty and that they want you to be desired. And those butterflies that you feel in a relationship become very addictive.

[Monica Padman]

They're absolutely.

[Laura LeBeau]

I mean, it's a. It's a high, for sure. It's a drug.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so, like any other drug, it's like, I feel like when I would get in that situation and what would happen was the cycle was that I would get out of a very bad relationship, and so then I would be alone because I'm not going to be bamboozled again. And I just need to protect my kids and be with my kids. And you get so lonely that the first person that comes along that suspects that, that feeds into that and supplies you that drug again.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so there you are, down that path again.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. That validation, I think, is the most powerful.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I. And. And I. And while I take responsibility for my own actions, I. I think that a lot of our society really sets females up for that. I mean, every advertisement is, you look hot, and then a guy, you. That's how you get that validation.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. That's how you find love. Yeah. It's rough.

[Laura LeBeau]

So when I finally met Dave Barton, by then, I was so jaded.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

That when a nice guy came along, I mean, like, I remember we went a couple years where he had an engagement ring for me that I just would not accept because every time he would say. I would say, I'm not good at this.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I'm not good at this.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. The pattern shows one thing.

[Laura LeBeau]

So how could. I'm a failure at this. I'm. I. I can't. I can't. I don't know how to be married.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. But you did it.

[Laura LeBeau]

I finally did it. And it's surprising that I did do it, because even that can tell you the day of my wedding, David begged me not to do it. He said, I can't pick you up again, Mom.

[Monica Padman]

Wow.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I'm sure we'll talk about it, but I want to know how you met him.

[Laura LeBeau]

Blind date.

[Monica Padman]

Oh.

[Laura LeBeau]

I'd never figured out on my own.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. That's what it took. Somebody.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Honestly, if I had to figure it out on my own, I. I still believe that, like, that's. If I should ever date again, which right at this moment, I have no intention of. I would not date without, like, Dex picking up the person or something, you know, like somebody I trust.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

That's how I feel.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. The one little thing I Want to go over before we move off of Greg and Tara and all that is, to me, I feel like this is where my first introduction to being a love addict kind of starts. Because. And by the way, these are my fondest memories alive. So I'm not being critical of this. I'm just aware of it. You worked so much. You had so much going on. You were so fucking tired. You were cleaning the house. You were making all of our meals. I sincerely don't know how you do it. Kristen and I can barely do it with Carly helping and Monica helping and everyone helping and having money. I don't know how it was done. I don't think you do either. But the way we dealt with that is Saturdays, we would often just get in the bed. We'd get. We'd be allowed to come to your room, and we would lay in bed virtually all day long and snuggle. Is that your memory of it?

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, my. It's my favorite, favorite, favorite, favorite, favorite memory in my whole. If you know how. If you could time travel.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes.

[Laura LeBeau]

The moment I would go back to would be those weekends where we would start in the morning. We would have breakfast in my bed, and Carly was little and she would crawl around on us and David was reading David Copperfield in school. Required reading. And I would read chapters of David Copperfield and we would all be snuggled under the covers and we would spend the whole day. It would be like lunchtime. Oh, I'd go down to the kitchen and bring more food back up and we would just, just. It was just so, so happy. It was the best.

[Dax Shepard]

It was. And it was euphoric and it was drug like. And it was so opposite of the rest of the week. Like, I got this association with, like. I don't even know how to describe it, but just like real highs, lows, highs, lows, highs, lows. And not even like, I, I. When I think back in that time, there is a period of my childhood where I do remember being lonely, which is coming up. But at that time, I don't feel that. I remember being friends with Trevor and I had all these friends, and I felt like you were around enough. And then I remember those Saturdays. But clearly now that I have kids and I'm aware of how much time my job affords me with them, and I recognize, well, there's no way yours could have afforded that much time. I was probably on my own more than, say, my kids are or whatever is even.

[Laura LeBeau]

I just remember when I was on midnights that I would try to stay Awake during the day with Carly. And that was why I took midnight, so I could still be with Carly. And then I would leave at, you know, 11:45 to get to work. But after dinner and Carly was in bed, I would lay on the floor with you and David because I wanted to have time with you and be with you. So we'd put the pillows on the floor by the tv and you guys would watch your TV show. And I'd have one of you on each side of me with my arm around you. They were such terrorists. I would be so tired and I'd be asleep and I would hear them. They would like clap their hands really loud. Or they'd say. Or I'd hear them say, mom, Mom. And I'm half asleep, I'm so tired. And they would say, we're taking the car. We're going up to Kroger. Can we have money? All right. And I'd say, sit in my purse.

[Dax Shepard]

Let me also add, on top of all the jobs and the divorce and everything that was going on, David and I were also fucking terrible kids. I mean, we fought non stop. We were constantly in a fight that was separating.

[Laura LeBeau]

You wanted my attention?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. Boy, do we. We fought non stop. Oh, I can only imagine what it was like dealing with that. So anyways, you and Greg, you get divorced and then you meet another man. We'll keep him anonymous because he's still alive. And you've now been through this twice. What was it that this time around you're like, fuck it, I think this. I'm gonna go for it again. Did you have to talk yourself into that or.

[Laura LeBeau]

I. Very candidly, I will tell you that we had a visit from my in laws and they were sitting in the family room and they started openly talking about how good my two stepchildren were and how awful my three biological children were because we had custody of all five. And they started talking about it and I said to them, I'm very uncomfortable with you speaking badly about my children and I need to ask you to stop. And they kept going. And I asked him again. And when they kept going a third time, which I actually think it was choreographed by my ex husband, and I just stood up and yelled down to your bedroom, dax, pack your shit, we're out of here. And I went in the kitchen and got a garbage bag and I went to Carly's bedroom and started throwing her in and my shit in. And. And we. Dax came running up from the lower level with his bag and David ran out of his bedroom with his bag and we got in the car. But what had happened just prior to this happening was all in one weekend while they were visiting. And I was so, just really quick.

[Dax Shepard]

As we skipped over it. You met a man at work and you married him and he had two kids. So now there were five of us kids. And this man had to travel during the wintertime. And so you were often throughout the winter left with five kids now and also a full time job.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I was going to school at night.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I did not have a problem with his kids. I actually loved his kids very much. And I felt very much like in that movie. I felt bad when we separated that I had to cut off that relationship.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And did you get a different awareness about how hard it is to be a step parent? Oh, like prior. Right. Because before. It's just. You're seeing it through the lens of you would probably want Greg to be a better stepdad or whatever.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And until you're in a situation like that. Right. It's. It's hard to imagine what a hard fucking role that is.

[Laura LeBeau]

Hard. I, I don't know how people do it, honestly. I, I admire anybody that can do it successfully and I, I gave it my all. I, in fact, I remember seeing a therapist at the time and saying, I, I just can't bake enough cupcakes to make this right. It just was the hardest. You're dealing with kids that have a lot of baggage because they've been a battleground for their parents to fight. You know, their property in a divorce and they're damaged and you're trying to blend them with your kids and you have a partner that has his baggage and your kids that have their baggage. And it's everybody living in one house and it's just. Yeah, it was horrid.

[Dax Shepard]

And wow. It's just striking me as you were talking about this because I have this terrible chip on my shoulder about rich people that I wish I could get rid of. I aim to get rid of it. But I do wonder if it was. That's where it maybe started, is that they were perceived as higher class than us. He had been raised, the stepdad had been raised in a, in a family with money and they were kind of upper class and we were shitty.

[Laura LeBeau]

Or maybe we were even reminded. No, she, she even made Rick comments about how bad our English was and.

[Dax Shepard]

Our manners at the table.

[Laura LeBeau]

Manners and our grammar. Her. Mine as well. And what she even said when we got engaged, she said to me, she said, well, of course, congratulations. I want Rick to be happy. And she said, of course we would be happy for Rick to remarry if he. If he should find a nice girl. And I heard that pretty loud and clear.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. And then his father actually told me one time that I was the worst thing that ever happened to their family, so.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, really?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. And then the fact that we went at Christmas and we watched them open presents and everybody got presents except my children. And Carly was like 3 years old. And Carly kept waiting very patiently for her turn to open a present.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, wow.

[Laura LeBeau]

It just ripped my heart out. It was just so.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that.

[Laura LeBeau]

That.

[Dax Shepard]

That go around was very hard on my self esteem. Yeah, hard on your self esteem because this was a much different version now and again, we'll edit out his name. This was. Whereas Greg was physically abusive. This was very mentally abusive. Right. This person was incredibly intell. Very, very type.

[Laura LeBeau]

I looked up to him.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, he was very. And. And he jogged marathons and he raced motorcycles. He was like.

[Laura LeBeau]

He was incredible.

[Dax Shepard]

He was crushing at life.

[Laura LeBeau]

And he was. He looked like the Marlboro Man.

[Dax Shepard]

He was.

[Laura LeBeau]

He was everything a girl would want in a husband. I mean, when you were shopping, you would think, oh, my God, this guy is a deal.

[Dax Shepard]

He's like one step away from a surgeon.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, he. He was excellent. And then it became very apparent to me very quickly in the relationship that he was very, very. To dump out the silverware drawer on the floor and say that I was a pig because I didn't stack the forks in the drawer or the meat wasn't filed in the freezer. As in beef all goes with beef and pork all goes with pork. And chicken all goes with chicken. And I'm a very neat person, very clean house, tidy. I was often told I was a pig. And controlling is super.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And also me up because I started really believing it. I started reading trash. I did believe I was really trash and low rent and that.

[Monica Padman]

How long were you married to him?

[Laura LeBeau]

Two years.

[Dax Shepard]

Again. Now this is something that in my mind occupies.

[Monica Padman]

That's what I was about to ask.

[Laura LeBeau]

20 years.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. It's like a chapter, but it's not. It's like a few pages.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And I'll also say this. Tons of great stuff came out of that.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

That guy who, you know, I disagree with all the ways he treated my mom and us, taught me how to be very present and mindful of what I was doing and thinking about how I was moving through the world. And he was so smart. He could answer any question. He. He was a crazy good example of, like, just the intellectual life and in pursuing things passionately. And he got. He's probably why I race motorcycles and race cars.

[Laura LeBeau]

Very physical, physically fit. He believed in exercising, running marathons.

[Dax Shepard]

And, yeah, there were, like, all. It was such a mixed bag of things. Oh, this is what I was going to say. The number one thing he gave me is that I am like him in. In a lot of ways. And I will be on the verge of saying, who didn't squish the sponge out before they put it back? That's how it gets mold, right? I'm like, the sentence is on the tip of my tongue. And I go, oh, I know what it's like to live with someone like that. And it's fucking miserable. Deal with the fucking mold on the sponge or whatever thing I want to say. It's not being done to my standards. I'm grateful I had an example of what it feels like to be on the business end of that. It's grueling, it's exhausting, and you just can't do it right, and you're never going to do it right. And it's. So I thank you for giving me somewhat of an awareness for that.

[Laura LeBeau]

I got to the point living with him, and we were in therapy, you know, almost our whole marriage, and I just got to the point where I just realized this is not going to get better and there's nothing I can do to make it better. And then subsequently, the next thought in my head was, and I cannot go home to my parents and tell them I'm getting divorced again. I cannot tell people at work I'm going to get divorced again. I cannot drag my kids through another divorce. I cannot do that. The only option is to die. And so I had a friend at work that had given me a key to her house. And I told me she. I never confided in her, never told her anything that was going on in my house, but she had an antenna. And we were not close girlfriends. We were just work friends. And she walked into my office one day and said, here's the key to my house. She was single. Here's the key to my house. If you ever need a place for you and your kids to come, you are always welcome. And your children are welcome as well.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, that's Anne. Oh, that's so cool.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. Well, she ended up being a. A therapist. A. Yeah. Alcohol and substance abuse therapist.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

But anyway, she walked out, and I thought, why would she do that? I. Nobody knows what's going on she knew. I mean, it was so obvious.

[Dax Shepard]

She was an angel.

[Laura LeBeau]

She was an angel. And I'm so forever grateful for her. I mean, there's so much she gave me.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so anyway, I was having just a horrific day one day, and I went to her house. She wasn't home. I opened her garage, and I pulled my car in to. I was going to run the exhaust and kill myself. And I went in and I knelt down on the floor to. I forget what I was doing. Kneeling down on the floor to get something or. Oh, to suck the tailpipe.

[Dax Shepard]

And you wanted to get close to the tailpipe.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. And I.

[Dax Shepard]

This is brutal.

[Laura LeBeau]

It is brutal. And I had on white pants, and all of a sudden I realized, jesus, her garage floor is dirty. My pants are getting dirty. And the absurdity of that, that I was going to kill myself, but I was concerned about my pants getting dirty. I went into a hysteric, laughing thing, opened the garage drawer, drove the car out and said, no, I got to fix this.

[Dax Shepard]

You.

[Laura LeBeau]

You can't just run away from everything. You have to fix this.

[Dax Shepard]

Now. While all that's happening, which is the personal life is not thriving, you are climbing the ladder at General Motors very successfully. For someone without a college degree and a woman, against many odds, you end up, at this point, you're a fleet manager. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

Which is a good supervisor over three departments.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. So you're a baller now at gm. You've done very well. And they start. They. They have this wonderful thing for the employees at the GM proving grounds. They have a family day, and they invite everyone to bring their family. And the proving grounds, if you have no awareness of it, is this, you know, dozens of square miles of racetrack. It's Disney World for cars. There's hill climbs, there's tracks that you don't have such steering wheel. If you're going 70 miles an hour, it's just a blast. And so you started volunteering because you wanted overtime, if I remember it correctly, to start organizing this huge event that they would have at the proving grounds. So you're doing that. You do that a few years in a row, I guess.

[Laura LeBeau]

And. And the Longley press show. Yeah. That they had out there. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. So you're dabbling in this side thing just for overtime, which is basically event planning and execution. So you get an offer to go work at an ad agency in Detroit, which is Cambly Wall, which at the time had the General Motors account. Account. I don't know if they still do or not, but Chevrolet account. Chevrolet account okay. And then you are now working in advertising, which again, pretty miraculous because there's no reason they should have hired you for that. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

I started as an account executive in. What do they call that? Product information. And by the time I left two years later, I was vice president in motorsports, merchandising and marketing.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And you loved that job, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Loved it, loved it. But the only drawback was that to be in that job, you really should be a single person. Those you really needed to put in a lot of hours. And it was very, very hard for me with three kids.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah. And just having left a husband and trying to. So let me also fluff your pillows. So with all that going on, a divorce, a new job. My mom says I'm gonna build my own house.

[Laura LeBeau]

Always wanted to.

[Dax Shepard]

This is something I can do myself.

[Laura LeBeau]

Since I read Henry David Thoreau when he in high school and he said that it's as fitting and proper to build your own house as a bird builds a nest. And I said to myself, I'm gonna do that someday.

[Dax Shepard]

Uh huh. And you decided to do it right in the eye of a hurricane.

[Laura LeBeau]

I actually paid cash for the property because my brother David had given me a stock tip. He was in high school and he was taking a class in school and was watching stocks and he told me to buy Consumers Power and oh really? It went. It, it, it. Like I forget he'll tell you, but it tripled or quadrupled or something.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, no kidding.

[Laura LeBeau]

So I had the cash and I paid cash for the lot off of Herb and Margaret Hoover. And then I went out and thought. Because I didn't think there was going to be any issue with building my own house.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Be my own contractor. And I went to the banks and.

[Dax Shepard]

As a single woman with zero building.

[Laura LeBeau]

Experience, they laughed at me outright. I'm just going to say there was some snickering, but, but so I went. When I had bought the property, Herb said, if you need a building loan, I would be happy to loan it to you. But I thought, I'll go to a bank. I'm not going to do that. So I went back to Herb and said, are you still interested in giving me a building loan? And he said absolutely. And the guy had met me just two times.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow.

[Laura LeBeau]

But he just believed in me and so I took that loan in.

[Dax Shepard]

So while you were doing that job, which was very labor intensive, it was fabulous. You then started building a house. And we did stuff like Run the Wire, us kids. And my favorite part is there was a painter who you had employed that we regularly had to go. We knew what bar he hung out at, and he in the most. The loveliest man ever. But we would have to go as a family and urge him to leave the bar and continue working on the house, right?

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes. He didn't just paint. He roughed it in. He did a lot of things in his voice. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

But you built a house, which was our first really nice house.

[Laura LeBeau]

It was a turning point in my life because I found out that when you build a house, like anything in life, that you dig the hole. One day, you don't build the whole house. You just dig the hole, and then, you know, you can get a book on it, which now you would go online, but I had bought a book. And the next thing after building the house, you need to, you know, pour the basement walls, and then you have to. To, you know, put the cap on the floor, and then you build the walls, and then you do the rough Plum, and you do the rough. And I learned that everything was just one step at a time and that you didn't have to conquer the whole thing. And then pretty soon, you actually have a house. And it was like this huge victory to me. It was this, look, I could do it. If I could do this, I could do anything.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it's the climbing a mountain one footstep at a time metaphor, but I'd.

[Laura LeBeau]

Never internalize that concept prior to this. It was really a big, big moment. And.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And if you focus on the little steps and not the overall project, you can kind of do things.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I want to give credit where credit is due. I want you to know that while I was doing this, I worked for Brent Morgan. And Brent Morgan, I probably could have done it without him. However, thank God for Brent Morgan, because Brent Morgan would give me so many.

[Dax Shepard]

Little tips, like, any new guys and stuff. Oh.

[Laura LeBeau]

He would recommend people, and he would tell me, you know, like, did you. You. Did you go prop those basement walls? You know, you got to walk out basement. You really need to brace those walls before they do this, because, you know, you could have trouble with. And it was like, how do I brace the walls? And he would tell me, and I'd say, okay. And I'd go out there and do it, you know, but, like, what a great person to be in my. I've had so many really awesome people in my life.

[Dax Shepard]

A lot of mentors along the way.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, so grateful.

[Dax Shepard]

Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you did there. So while you were working at Cambly Wal, you've now built this house that we now live in. And to me, weirdly, when I think of my childhood, even though time wise it's not the bulk of where we lived, my childhood is those three years in Milford, Michigan before I moved.

[Laura LeBeau]

It's your middle road.

[Dax Shepard]

It's my middle road, totally. We had a big yard and a nice house. I was so proud of it. It and half pipe in the I met Aaron Weekley, the love of my.

[Laura LeBeau]

Life when I hired in at Camblywald. One of the things I said in the interview was that I was starting a business and that I would need time off for that business from time to time. And they agreed to it and I was on salary with them.

[Dax Shepard]

That's great.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, I had a great interview and a great. It was a real good thing. But what it was was Brent Morgan called me, said, hey listen, there's a new person at Chevy PR doing longleat and I bet if you called her, she could really use some help putting it together. And so I called Janet Eckhoff and I said, hey, you know, I understand you're doing long lead. I've done it before and I would be happy to contract. And she went in to talk to Ralph Kramer, who knew me, and that afternoon they called me back and that afternoon I went in and I had a purchase order. And that was the start of the business.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. So that was your first bit of business, your first job. And this starts. You of course, do a great job because you're so competent. It's crazy. You do a great job on that and that starts leading to more and more shows. And how long are you working at Campbell Ewald? And before you decide, I'm going to quit Campbell Ewald and do this full time. And how scary is that?

[Laura LeBeau]

Two years and it was very scary. When I finally did make the release, it was. It was tough financially. The first year of shows and shoots, I think I made 31,000 gross.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh boy.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so I had to pay payroll out of that and expenses and feed you guys. It was, it was a little sketchy.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

But we did it.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

But we did it. And then we doubled the next year and we doubled the year after that and pretty soon it was a real full fledged business.

[Dax Shepard]

But you did not heed your father's best advice, which was the, the tube steak steak story, which he told all members of the family. And he. We very much urge people that when you can afford a steak, just go ahead and eat steak and stay in your position. Don't, don't climb up and then eat tube steak again. Right. Just at some point, eat steak and be where you're at. But you didn't follow that. Right. Anytime we had an opportunity to live somewhere nice, I guess what I'm saying is we were never like on super solid ground when we would make these leaps out of Main street to Tara. That was by the skin of our teeth. And then obviously this house was by the skin of our teeth. Teeth.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. My theory has always been, I think because I was a waitress when I was young, is if, if I have to bet on me, if, if it's a 50, 50 chance, if I'm going to make it or I'm not going to make it, if I'm the, if I'm the variable, I bet on me any day of the week.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And that's how I felt like, okay, I'm going to start this business. And yeah, I read a lot of businesses fail, but if I've got a 50, 50 chance, I'm going to, I'm going to tip the scale. I'm going to, I'm going to do that.

[Dax Shepard]

And so one show leads to another and then you quit. And then you're now doing, I don't know, six or seven shows a year at some point when I'm in 10 or ninth grade or something. And then you take on David, my brother, as a partner, and you guys start growing this business. Spoiler alert. So where it ends up is that this turns into many, many shows throughout the year.

[Laura LeBeau]

25 years.

[Dax Shepard]

For 25 years, you had this business and the shows where the events turned into a fleet management business where we would house all these, these General Motors cars that would get lent to journalists around the country. So then we were delivering cars, managing fleets, receiving cars, prepping them. And then you get asked, because you do a great job at this, to service other zones in the General Motors world. And then at its height, there was a shop in Chicago. You had a partner shop down in Atlanta. You had some set up down in, no, not New Jersey, but down in Texas. Down in Dallas, you had a shop. And at one point you had how many employees?

[Laura LeBeau]

42.

[Dax Shepard]

42 employees. And you're managing hundreds of cars.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And it was a big, big company. It's so impressive.

[Monica Padman]

It is.

[Dax Shepard]

It's really, really mind blowing.

[Laura LeBeau]

Thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

And I was in the catbird seat because I was 14 years old and I went to work for you and I obviously got way more leeway than anyone would give me other than you. And I got to drive all These cool cars, which is all I cared about my whole life is cars. And I'd go on these, we'd go to racetracks and I get to do photography with the journalists. And I was encouraged to get sideways in cars and act like an idiot and do donuts. And it was all. Everyone was happy when you did that. You got paid at the end of the week. But also suffice to say, the hardest job I've ever had where you would regularly, you turn in your hours at the end of a week on Long Lead in Wisconsin. And I was regularly working 105 to 120 hours in one week. It's almost impossible. You'd have like three hours off a night.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. When I tell people in Hood river that know me now as a retired 66 year old woman that well, I own my own business And I worked 100 hours a week, you know that sometimes more than 100, they look at me and I think, they think that's not possible. You're not working 100 hours.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

That's an exaggeration.

[Dax Shepard]

But you did, you worked seven days a week. So we had a car show in New York this central launch and we did three weeks, seven days a week, at least 20 hours a day. And it was just. But the culture in the environment at shows and shoots was such a party. It was so fun. It was all young people. As many of my best friends.

[Laura LeBeau]

I loved every one of them.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And do you think that that was. Being around that many young people for that period of time was like energizing or did it change your life?

[Laura LeBeau]

It was lifeblood. When I would be with my shows and shoots crew, I just would be so happy. It was just was so fun. It was hard work. But we, we always joked and we always had stories and it was just, they were all so beautiful. Every one of them were so beautiful and they were so invested to do a good job. And I don't know, it was just, it was like magic.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And you're the best boss I've ever had. Any boss. That. And I've tried to model you when I've directed movies like I try to work the hardest so that you're encouraging other people.

[Laura LeBeau]

I never asked anybody to do something I wouldn't do.

[Dax Shepard]

No, you were always, if you had to do, we would go on these shows and every single night have to prep 120 cars and you would do wheels, which is the shittiest job. You know, whatever it was. You always did the shittiest job with all of us. And you never went home early and you were always up with all of us. It was great leadership training for me. But as the business is growing, we're in this house, you meet Dave Barton. Dave Barton comes along and he is thus far opposite of what you've generally been attracted to, because you're attracted to kind of people who are bucking the system, who are living out loud, who are attention getters. Right. And here comes this sweet man, an electrical engineer, who dresses terribly, drives a minivan and is just soft spoken and not looking for attention.

[Laura LeBeau]

He's just the most wonderful human being.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes. And you.

[Laura LeBeau]

But I didn't know it at the start.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you didn't.

[Laura LeBeau]

He didn't have a fast come online. He didn't. He wasn't the fast dancer with the hottest moos and, you know, clothes that he couldn't afford and charged. He just wasn't that person.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. And. But slowly he wooed you and you guys got married when I think I was 16, 15 or 16.

[Laura LeBeau]

90. Yeah. In 90.

[Dax Shepard]

In 90.

[Laura LeBeau]

I think that's right. Because it would be 28 years this November. So 90.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. And now let me just ask you, because, you know, in aa, there's this concept of contrary action, which is if you've seen the results of your instincts enough times, at a certain point you have to go, who? Let's try doing the opposite of what feels right as an experiment, or at least that's been my experience. I go, oh, yeah, this feels really right. I'm going to turn away from that because when I do the thing that always feels right, I know where it ends up. Up. So Barton was very much contrary action, whether you were aware of it or not.

[Laura LeBeau]

Very much.

[Dax Shepard]

You were aware of it.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

And you thought maybe this might just work because he's the opposite of.

[Laura LeBeau]

No, I never thought it would work. I totally went into it feeling that I'm not good at this. I'm never going to be good at this and just enjoy this moment and not even looking to where it's going to go.

[Dax Shepard]

And then you ended up marrying him.

[Laura LeBeau]

I did, but he asked many times.

[Dax Shepard]

Huh.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I resisted because I was sure I would end up in divorce.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I just, you know, it was a whole different thing. And he. He taught me so much.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, me too. He had a. An internal confidence, not an external confidence, not a, look how great I am. But he, he really was confident in. On the surface, you wouldn't have guessed that. That.

[Laura LeBeau]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

But he had an internal belief in himself and he knew what his. He was very, very intelligent and he knew that and he did, but yet he had zero impulse to. He's the opposite of the Dunning Kruger effect. He would, he would know the most about a topic and just let everyone else talk about it and not have to. Right. Be the show off and tell everyone. And it took me a long time. I don't know how long it took you, but it took me a long time to recognize what was going on. That, oh my God, he's the smartest guy in the room. That's interesting.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah, absolutely. One of the things that I liked about him and when you say this quiet confidence. One of the things was no matter how busy I was with my business, no matter how many things I did, he was never that person like previous partners I had had. He would always say, oh my God, that sounds so perfect for you. Go do it, go do it. You know, he was always encouraging and.

[Dax Shepard]

He wasn't threatened by.

[Laura LeBeau]

Hey, what? Threatened at all. And all the times I was on the road and anybody who's worked for GM or probably any industry, when you are on the road a lot with a lot of the same people all the time, there is much.

[Dax Shepard]

Everyone's fucking.

[Laura LeBeau]

That's right. It's much fooling around. And I never, ever did because I would never want to have seen his face had he found out something like that. But the thing is, he never ever, ever even remarked like, do people fool around or would you ever consider.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

He was so confident with himself.

[Dax Shepard]

Is attractive. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh my God. So it made me even more so I would never think of.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Then a super patient guy because you were gone a ton.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, you're gone so much.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

I regret that now. I. I feel like I'm lucky I didn't lose him. I mean, he was a married man that didn't have a wife off often.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. Yeah. And you were kind of. We were watching a John McCain documentary last night, which we both loved. And I was saying, man, the dudes in the 50s, they had a different program. Like they just pursued that career and they saw their kids 10 minutes a week, and that's what it was. And. But you got to try on an unconventional hat, which is you were building a fucking business. And I knew, we all understood that. Like, we knew our roles, we knew that you were doing this thing and we were going to have to be patient about that and that was going to happen. Happen.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

As if you were a 50s dad.

[Laura LeBeau]

And. And by contrast, Barton was the one and he never Ever balked about it. He stayed with Carly. And he didn't just babysit her or, you know, cohabitate with her. He taught her things. And he was gentle with her and he was patient with her. I mean, she tested him. I mean, you think about a stepchild.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

She throw pencil at his eyeball and tell him she couldn't do the math. And he would just very calmly, well, that's not gonna be. You know, that's not gonna work. And you need to take a breath. We're gonna try this again.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. He was an amazing stepdad to Carly.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, God, he was fantastic. When Carly was in Outward Bound at Cranbrook and in her 10th grade year.

[Dax Shepard]

Which is a thing where you go hiking out in the woods and you kind of learn self.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. It's like you go for a couple weeks out in the woods with a compass and a sleeping bag.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

It's a real deal. And they do it in March. And the previous year, there had been an incident with the Cranbrook crew, and they got stranded. They got stranded. And somebody got frostbite. Yeah, it was real bad. So when Carly went. Here we are watching the news back in Michigan, and we see that there's snowstorms in the mountains. And I think about my little 5 foot 2 Carly, and she's so little. And I say to Dave, you know, Dave, they're having snowstorms. I'm so worried about her. She's going to get hypothermia. And Dave says, she's not going to get hypothermia. She's going to be fine. And I said, dave, you know, I'm not like that. I need to know why she's going to be okay. Give me something logical. And he says very calmly, she's not going to get hypothermia because her clothes are going to be dry. And I know her clothes are dry because I unpacked her bag before she left, and I put everything in individual Ziploc bags so that everything is dry in her backpack. And I thought.

[Dax Shepard]

And again, didn't tell anyone he did it. Didn't want the credit. I would have been bragging all day about having done that.

[Laura LeBeau]

And to me, it was like, that's you guys here.

[Dax Shepard]

I put Carly's clothes in Ziplocs. Guy delivering the mail, hey, man, what's your name? I just did a good thing. I need to tell you about it.

[Laura LeBeau]

Exactly. But to me, it was like, this is what real dads do. Dots that really love their children do.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And I Also want to applaud because I found myself in the same situation in life, and it is hard. In fact, I wish I would have been able to talk to him about it more. But for a man to have a wife who makes more money than him and is basically driving the ship, you got to go in her direction, because ultimately, it's worth more to. You know, if someone's going to sacrifice something, it's going to be me, not Belle. It just doesn't make sense for the family, and that has. That took me years to get comfortable with. And Barton seemed to. Just. Never bothered him that his wife was paying for things or taking us on vacations or buying stuff. All that stuff. Didn't. Didn't bother him.

[Laura LeBeau]

No. Yeah, he just totally. Or even when you're.

[Dax Shepard]

He was smart enough to go, oh, this is nice. She's gonna buy a house in Bloomfield Hills.

[Laura LeBeau]

Even the day that your brother got married, that day your father called and on the phone and said, hey, when they do the dance where the bride and groom dance and then the parents dance also, I want to dance with you. I don't want you to dance with Dave. I want you to dance with me because he's our son and he's our baby that we're giving up. And I said to. He said. I said, well, let me talk to Dave about it. And I said to Dave, how do you feel about this? And he said, I don't have a problem with. Go ahead. He was so secure.

[Dax Shepard]

He was so gangster.

[Laura LeBeau]

Never, ever got in that. That testosterone.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And I just want to. I want to add that layer. Is that one thing I'm. I'm so happy that you did. Was that you? My dad, you always kept him in the fold. He was allowed to be at the house on Christmas night if he wanted to spend the night, wake up with us.

[Laura LeBeau]

All our family vacations went on our family vacation. I even bought his tickets.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You always kept him. You never badmouthed him. You always kept him around, and I can't imagine that was always the most pleasant thing, but that was just a really nice, evolved thing that you did. And I would pray I had that.

[Laura LeBeau]

Kind of thank you. To me, it was like, you kids didn't get divorced. We did.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

I didn't ever want you to have to choose.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. That was nice. Okay, so you marry Barton, you have this thriving business. You guys have a pretty storybook life by my estimation, from 91 to 2000. Whatever. Your left Bloomfield Hills. Right. You really found your stride. You made good money. Carly went to Cranbrook. She then went to Michigan State. I was in college. Things were great. You and Barton were happy. Life's damn good. You guys decide to retire. What year do you retire?

[Laura LeBeau]

I retired twice.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. The first time.

[Laura LeBeau]

The first time, I think, was in.

[Dax Shepard]

2002, maybe for a bunch of reasons that don't really matter. The business ended up crumbling after you retired, and then you had to come out of retirement, and now is a phase of kind of just a really long period of pretty darn good happiness. Yeah. Instability.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Is your depression at through those years, can you remember it being intolerable at any point?

[Laura LeBeau]

I definitely had depression right during that time.

[Dax Shepard]

But did you realize you had depression because.

[Laura LeBeau]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. Because in retrospect, we could all go, oh, yeah, you wouldn't get out of bed sometimes.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. So apparent. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. There's all these things you would do. We just. Same with dad. Like, all of a sudden, when dad goes, oh, I'm going to treatment. I'm an alcoholic. I'm like, oh, yes, of course you're a flaming alcoholic. But I don't know why until that moment, like, yeah, you took us in the morning to the bar, and we hung out there all day long. That's not what most dads do with their kids. So. Yeah. So I'm just gonna jump ahead. When you had to come back out of retirement, you had then some really bad bouts with depression.

[Laura LeBeau]

Really, really.

[Dax Shepard]

Bad enough to force you to finally confront it, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes. And just like you're saying about your dad, it's like, I never really thought of it that I had depression until I had a really, really serious episode. The long and short of it is I had someone say something to me that really triggered from my past being sexually abused as a child. And I went into a real severe, severe depression. I honestly went to work in my pajamas for a couple weeks and did not bathe. When you own your own business, you can get away with that.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

And Dave was taking care of his mother at the time in Florida. I was alone at the house, and I just got to. I mean, I don't know how explicit you want me to be on that.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, you tried to kill yourself again.

[Laura LeBeau]

I tried, but a real serious attack attempt. This was not. I mean, other times, I thought at the time it was serious. This one was. I did the double whammy. I mean, I heat duct taped all the vacuum cleaner hoses to the car to make sure I would get asphyxiated. And I took every single pill in the medicine cabinet. To make sure that I would die.

[Dax Shepard]

And by the way, what I just want you to think of is this is someone who's. Now both kids are in college, I'm a working actor. I have a great life. You've built an incredible business, you have a successful.

[Laura LeBeau]

David has children.

[Dax Shepard]

So just. I just want to point out that you can have all the indicators that everything you told yourself will make you feel great, and that you'll love yourself and have self esteem and all those things and those outside things all of a sudden will be absolutely powerless, Right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Dax Shepard]

It's because even. Are you even building a case in your head, like, well, you shouldn't do this. Your life's good. You. Your kids are doing great, and you're. You're happily married.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, so many. Yeah, absolutely.

[Dax Shepard]

And they just have no weight. Right. You list those things, and they don't mean in that moment.

[Laura LeBeau]

In that moment. Honest. The only way I can describe it is it's like if someone took you and put you in a black garbage bag and cinched the top, and you are in a garbage bag, suffocating, and you're so hot and so miserable, and it's so black and so that the only thing you can think of is, I have to die because I can't keep going like this.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

And again, like you say, I had all the indicators that my life was successful, but I wasn't able to feel it. I was only able to feel that I was suffocating and that I just could not take another step. I was so tired. Just could not take another step.

[Dax Shepard]

And you, luckily, you did not die. I remember getting a call. I was in New York at the time, and David called me, like, this is for real. You need to get involved here. We need to circle the wagons. And you went to an outpatient treatment?

[Laura LeBeau]

I did. They wanted to put me inpatient, and I did not want to. I did not want to be away from Barton. And so I did an outpatient program.

[Dax Shepard]

Which that would make sense then, but.

[Laura LeBeau]

For me, it was like, here's when the lights really went on. Is. First of all, as soon as Dave Barton came home and he was his wonderful self, he wrapped his arms around me and I asked him to take. I surrendered. For the first time in my life, I surrendered. And I said, I need you to take care of me. And he said, I've been waiting for you to ask. And so he immediately drove me right from there to our family doctor. We had no appointment, went to the nurse, explained it, the doctor came out, told US of a psychiatrist that he wanted us to go to. We left there and went to this office and we sat down and the guy first words were, you've had a suicide attempt. I assume you were sexually abused as a child.

[Dax Shepard]

Really?

[Laura LeBeau]

And to me that was. I was so pissed off at him. Like that's to me, like, oh, you hate too easy. Oh, and you hate your mother. I mean it was like, are you kidding me? What a cheap shot. And I was sitting there just steaming and I. I answered his questions very curtly and short and he wanted to put me in treatment and I agreed to go to the outpatient. We walked out the door, I got in the car and I said, I'm never seeing that guy again. And Dave said, what? What's the matter? And I go, are you kidding me? Ask me if I was sexually abused. What a crappy thing. That's just crappy.

[Dax Shepard]

It feels lazy. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

Or cheap shot or something.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

It was like, you can't take the easy road.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And like you're not paying attention of what's going on my life.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. Because you're pretty convinced in those moments that it's all the things around you right now.

[Laura LeBeau]

Right now.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And then the lights went on and I connected in the car in that same moment. All of a sudden the light went on and it occurred to me that the comment that the me too moment I'd had with a GM executive and that sexual abuse as a kid, the powerlessness of being a kid. And it was my dad's boss and I could not tell anyone because I didn't want my dad to lose his job.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so I am with a GM executive and he did it and it's.

[Dax Shepard]

Like I can't tell exact situation.

[Laura LeBeau]

I can't lose my, my purchase order. I can't tell anyone.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And it was so the dots connected and it was like, oh my God.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so then I went very open mindedly.

[Dax Shepard]

We share that and sadly many members of our family share this experience. For me, what it tells you is, oh, wow, the world's not a safe place and people will take advantage of me if I don't have my guard up. And the whole world changes in a moment. You are still an Impala on the plains of the Serengeti. It's just very. It changes your worldview really quickly. That I can be outsmarted, I can be overpowered, I can be outmaneuvered, I can be all these things and that I'm vulnerable in this world and it.

[Laura LeBeau]

Doesn'T matter how smart and how cunning you are.

[Dax Shepard]

No. That's. For me, the biggest chunk of the shame is the embarrassment that I could be out outsmarted or outmaneuvered or outwitted.

[Laura LeBeau]

That you can't see it, that I.

[Dax Shepard]

Couldn'T see it, that I didn't realize what was happening. All those things are so shameful to me because I hang all my self confidence on my competence.

[Laura LeBeau]

To me, it's a real confusing squirrel cage. When I said that to Barton, that I need you to take care of me. Me. What in that. The longer version of that is. Is when I said that to him, I said, whatever everybody else has learned in life, I was absent that day. I can't tell the difference of who to trust and who not to trust. I need you to be that person that tells me who's untrustworthy because I don't have broken. I don't have that skill set.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And that's how I've gotten myself in the jam of all these marriages and everything else, because I don't have that skill set.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And. And so when you say like, that feeling is like. So not only is it vulnerable, it's like you just want to keep looking in the backpack for the tool, and everyone else has got the tool. Why don't I have the tool? And maybe it's down here somewhere. No, it's not down here. I don't have it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And it's so. It's confusing to me and it's baffling and it's vulnerable and it's horrible.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

It's frightening.

[Dax Shepard]

One of your worst qualities, and we share it, is just a complete inability to ask for help. Help.

[Laura LeBeau]

Oh, God.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. It's just. You'd rather bleed to death than pick up the phone and admit you cut yourself. And I always thought it was. I didn't really want to be helped because I didn't want to owe someone to help them in return. But I realized I don't think that's it. I think it's just my. My ego and being able to be vulnerable and be flawed and. And admit I'm flawed.

[Laura LeBeau]

Flawed. Yet you're not capable.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

Why can't you take care of yourself?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. It's really embarrassing. Yeah. We all need it. So you went to this treatment center and I'm gonna readers digest this for you. But you. One thing they asked you right away is how do you. How do you sleep? Right. And you didn't sleep, right.

[Laura LeBeau]

No, I have very hard time sleeping.

[Dax Shepard]

And you started learning A lot of the warning signs of depression, you learned how it worked. You learned about medication. You got on medication. You learned how to make a game plan. Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

Or in a program. It's not just medication. Is that. That you do need to get outside and get vitamin D. You do need to be walking or exercising so that you can get rid of the lousy chemicals you're producing and bring in good ones.

[Dax Shepard]

Right. It's imperative. And also what I've noticed you've gotten great at over the years is this is a mistake a lot of people make in aa. I made it my first few times of trying to get sober is failure to plan is planning to fail. So if you're going to go to a party, you're newly sober, you can't wait till you get to the party, and the guy, you really want his approval, hands you a drink, and in that moment, you're going to figure out your game plan. You're done. That's too late. You got to go. Friday, I'm going to a party. As I pull into the driveway, that party, I should probably call someone in AA and just check in and remember why I'm in AA and blah, blah, blah, and then just expect that that thing's going to happen. And when it happens, I'm going to. I have this plan. You. You can't. You cannot expect a different outcome unless you have a completely strategized game plan going into these situations. Right? Right.

[Laura LeBeau]

Absolutely.

[Dax Shepard]

So you just dealt with the most heartbreaking thing ever, which is Barton died a few weeks ago, and we shared that together.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

And going into that, I think all of us. Which is great, because you've opened yourself up to be checked in with, which is wonderful. So all of us are like you. What's your game plan to work out? You know what. What's your game plan for this? What, like what? We know what's coming. That's not. That's unavoidable. We can kind of be prepared for it. So.

[Laura LeBeau]

And I think I did make plans. I think I was really looking ahead, and it wasn't like I was planning Barton's death or looking forward to his death. It was when he dies. What is my game plan? You know, how am I going to get through this? And I know that it's going to require a lot of faking it until I make it. And so how am I going to do that?

[Dax Shepard]

It's going to require you acting your way into feeling different. Right?

[Laura LeBeau]

Absolutely.

[Dax Shepard]

You're not going to sit in your house and just Wait for. To feel different, because that's not going to. For us. Work.

[Laura LeBeau]

I have rules and rules that I didn't have before he died. Like when he was actively dying, we had a lot of sleepless nights because of the pain he was in and stuff. So it was on. It was not uncommon for us to take a nap during the day together because we had been up all night.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And right now it's napping and sleeping. Are.

[Dax Shepard]

They're. No, no, I'm not allowed. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I can't allow myself because that's the sliding.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I'm not allowed to stay under the covers.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. That's like putting one foot in the trash bag.

[Laura LeBeau]

Absolutely.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And so. And what's great is you got a dog. You smartly got a dog.

[Laura LeBeau]

You did that ahead of time.

[Dax Shepard]

Something was going to be reliant on you.

[Laura LeBeau]

If I won't get myself out of bed to exercise, that's one thing. But I will never. I mean, you know, with you kids, no matter how depressed I was when we were going through all that, when you were growing up, up, I would get up and go to work to feed you guys. I would get up for you guys. I might not have gotten up for me, but I would get up for you guys.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

So I have the dog.

[Dax Shepard]

Codependent.

[Laura LeBeau]

Absolutely. It's my specialty.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, what's really funny too, and I haven't pointed out yet, but you. You never met an addict you didn't love. Right. You just love addicts.

[Laura LeBeau]

I could find. If you buried one addict in Cobal hall with a couple million men that were all healthy. I will find, find the guy and I will take him home and try to fix him.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Do you think. Well, a. It's a little more exciting because there's like a. An element of the unknown. You really don't know what's coming day to day with an addict, but do you think there's some. There's some relief or there's some peace in having to focus on someone else's issue that gets you out of having to think about any of your own issues. Is that part of the appeal subconsciously?

[Laura LeBeau]

Maybe. Maybe. But usually if you're with an addict, they have the same. They like the same drugs you do. Most addicts love the butterfly feeling that drug that you get in a relationship. They love a good codependent relationship.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

I do. Singing a lot of my song when I. Yeah, but.

[Dax Shepard]

But I do applaud. And again, it's worth its own whole podcast. But you, you were Very present during the whole thing. You were checking in with a lot of people. You read books, you. You felt like you owed this experience a lot of attention, and you didn't want to just wake up and it be over and have not experienced it. Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

One of the things I'm very, very grateful to Barton for is we made a pact. We consciously talked about it and we repeated it often. We would talk about it and reiterate what our pact was. And that was. Was that we would be 100% honest, even if we didn't want to during the process, and that we would experience it together. Because I said to him, I can be by your side and I can be supportive, and I will. You make all the calls to all the shot. You know, you call the shots on this, on what your treatments are and how you do this, and I will be there and be with you, but I need you to be honest all the way with me, and I need you to share it with me. And this is a man, he's an engineer, you know, not necessarily foaming at the mouth with. With discussion.

[Dax Shepard]

He's not oversharers like you and I. Right, right.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so it was probably the very best, other than that first few months when the butterflies are crazy in the beginning, but probably the best part of our marriage because we talked regularly, openly, and really shared the experience. And just like sharing an experience like a pregnancy and a birthing of a child.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

The bond that we were able to, you know, forge from that experience is extremely intimate, very, very close and very intimate. And I'm actually grateful, I feel really grateful for that experience with him, even though it was living hell. Yeah, I'm grateful for it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And it was a long. It was a three year process.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So it was a big. It was a big chunk of your life. Life. Before we go on, I want. I just want to pass on some of the things I feel like you gave me that I'm most grateful for. And one of them is, I realized, really set me up to be interested in anthropology, because anthropology, at least when I went, it's probably changed. But they were very into cultural relativism, where your goal was not to judge or label a group of people as primitive evil backwards. You could look at something like infanticide, which on the surface seems absolutely unimaginable. Who could kill a child that's just been born? They must be evil. But they didn't have that interest. They had the interest of understanding, why would that have happened? And you can't understand things if you're only there to label them. And you were this crazy example of that. We'd read about a murderer. Like, there'd be a. There'd be a murder and a murderer, and it'd be in the paper. Paper in your first line of thought was always, wow, that guy was a little baby one day. Right. What do you always say?

[Laura LeBeau]

That somebody passed out cigars for that baby.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

You know, that was somebody's little boy. That was somebody's son. And he was loved and celebrated. What happened? What went wrong?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, the tragedy on both sides. The tragedy that a victim was killed and then the tragedy that a life with a lot of potential went down that road that's. That's equally worth mourning. And you kind of always had that perspective. There'd be like, you know, kids would kill other kids in drunk driving accidents in our town and in the town is going, oh, that drove drunk about. And you would go straight to like, holy cow, he woke up in jail cell this morning. Yesterday.

[Laura LeBeau]

He was going to college.

[Dax Shepard]

What his parents, who saw that potential in and put all this time and energy into it and just. You never seem very interested in just labeling something good or bad or black and white. Evil, Good.

[Laura LeBeau]

Thank you. That's wonderful.

[Dax Shepard]

Sinful, heavenly. Whatever the things were, you didn't live in this binary thing. And you were very interested in the nuance and the details and the context and all this stuff. And it's such an awesome way to process the world and just very empathetic. And it was such a great example for you to have given me. It's very interesting. It's weird. And you and I went through this. I start sharing my story publicly, and it overlaps with your story, and it's a little. In one time, I offended you, I remember, and I felt really bad about it. And then you called me a week later and you said, you know what? I'm wrong. That's your story. You're allowed to tell me.

[Laura LeBeau]

You've earned it.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. So do you even remember what it was?

[Laura LeBeau]

I forget. It was something that you said, something, oh, my mom's been married a lot of times. And because I'm so ashamed. Ashamed of that. You know, I, you know, it was. It was hard for me that, oh, geez, that's the dirty laundry, you know? Do we have to air that?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

You know, yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

It's weird, right?

[Laura LeBeau]

It is. But then again, at the same time, it's like, you know what? You went through that too. I didn't go through it on my own. You kids I. I drug you through it and I. It's one of my regrets, but it is what it is and we got where we got because of it. And.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

It's yesterday.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And. Yeah. So I just. I thank you for giving me, you know, the permission to drag you into this. And I bet it's a weird scenario. I'm sure if Lincoln or Delta gets famous, I'll start hearing all these things about myself.

[Laura LeBeau]

You know what, though? Just, you know, not to keep being beaten it to death, but. And I haven't talked about that movie in years, but that movie that we were referring to. Boy, when people do art and when people do come out and talk about things like that since that movie. Yeah. I'm still ashamed of how many times I've been married and all the things I went through. However, that made me realize that I'm not an idiot. I just made some bad choices. And a lot of other people made those bad choices too. And guess what? What? They're not idiots. They're nice people.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so I feel like if you have your story and you share your story and something comes of it that someone else hears it, it's like, gosh, that would be great.

[Dax Shepard]

You know, I think everything that's good about me is something that you taught me. I think I'm genetically was destined to be my father. We have the same broken shoulder, the same missing knuckle, the same everything. The same crazy, stupid alpha male get out of the car to stop wonder.

[Laura LeBeau]

And so much wonderful from him. Him.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I'm sure. But I. I credit you with taking all that and adding your perspective in, your empathy and your in, and how endlessly loving you are. And you're the greatest thing that's ever happened to me in my whole life.

[Laura LeBeau]

Thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You're the. You're the number one love of my life.

[Laura LeBeau]

That's so nice.

[Dax Shepard]

Through all that stuff that I complained about here on the show, I. I.

[Laura LeBeau]

Didn'T hear any complaining.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. I would not. I can't imagine being luckier than having been born with you as my mom.

[Laura LeBeau]

Thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

I hope to God I can do half the job with four times the amount of resources that you had. So. I love you. Thank you for coming on the Armchair Expert.

[Laura LeBeau]

Thank you.

[Dax Shepard]

All right. It now begins my favorite part of the show. Fact check with Monica Padman. This is my mommy's fact check.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, that's right.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, boy. Shall I bring you in with a song?

[Monica Padman]

Yes, please.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I'm scared because I don't really have generally Speaking. I have a song. Song circulating through my mind all day. And then I just plug your name into that. Not to give away the recipe or tell you how the sausage is made.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. You don't have no songs in your brain.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I guess Delta was singing one this morning. Still kind of in there a little bit. Okay, here she comes. To tell us all of the facts. Singing Do I did it. She's holding some papers with some corrections. Singing Do I did it.

[Monica Padman]

Okay, that was good.

[Dax Shepard]

It was enough.

[Monica Padman]

That was good.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, thank you.

[Monica Padman]

All right, let's begin this very special fact check. Most special, very special episode. I'm so glad we did that.

[Dax Shepard]

And you really instigated. I mean, I had always wanted. We always knew we were going to interview her, but you really seized the. The moment when she was visiting to set it all up.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, because I think it's. Well, for one, she's super inspirational and interesting and she is so. And eloquent and is good at telling her life story. And I already knew that. So I knew that would be fun and interesting. Good. But it's also. It's also so endearing and nice to. To have a little peek into your relationship with her.

[Dax Shepard]

But I did have some anxiety in that. Like, I certainly know how she talks at a dinner table, but, like, quite successfully. She can hold court. But she's never been interviewed.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I was like, is she gonna. Like, once a microphone's in her face, is she gonna start feeling self conscious or weird or.

[Monica Padman]

No, she did not.

[Dax Shepard]

No, she crushed.

[Monica Padman]

She did. Great. And it was. It was. It was lovely to be sitting here through that. I enjoyed it. So your mom mentioned RC Cola. RC Cola is short for Royal Crown Cola is a cola flavored soft drink developed in 19055 by Claude A. Hatcher, a pharmacist in Columbus, Georgia.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, all the way home for you.

[Monica Padman]

Yes. Columbus is where I won two state.

[Dax Shepard]

Championships in your cheerleading career.

[Monica Padman]

Correct.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And you said you balled after both of those, Right? Or was it that you bald when you lost?

[Monica Padman]

No, we won both times.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, okay. You got hurt, though.

[Monica Padman]

I got hurt before the second. My senior year. I got. I pulled my hamstring before the state championship, but I pulled a hand. I did it anyway.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, you just.

[Monica Padman]

It wasn't an option through it.

[Dax Shepard]

You had to because you were the high flyer.

[Monica Padman]

I was a flyer? Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh.

[Monica Padman]

And then. Yeah, and then. Well, it. We knew it was going to be very close between us and the. And Peachtree Ridge, our rival. We knew it was going to be so Close, close. It came down to one point.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh my goodness. Out of how many? What if he said out of. Out of 10,000 points.

[Monica Padman]

No, that's not how. I don't, I don't know what the perfect score was. You could.

[Dax Shepard]

Is it in the hundreds or.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, like maybe it's like 300 or 200.

[Dax Shepard]

That is significant. And that's like 99.8%.

[Monica Padman]

Yes. And I. It was, you know, they were like fourth place, third place. And so then waiting to hear who second place was is.

[Dax Shepard]

Have you ever been more alive in your life?

[Monica Padman]

No, no, never. Like truly never. And I never will. Even if I give birth, I won't.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I agree.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. And then I just like lost control over my whole body.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you go wee wee in your slack?

[Monica Padman]

Maybe in my. In my bloomers?

[Dax Shepard]

In your bloomies?

[Monica Padman]

In my grandmas.

[Dax Shepard]

In your grundles. Your grinders. Anyway, we should call them grinders.

[Monica Padman]

No, that's not, that's not what they should. Should. Well, I guess. Yeah, you're right. Never mind, never mind. I was gonna say it's not what they should be encouraging these young girls to be doing, but they. We should be, I guess.

[Dax Shepard]

Absolutely.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, you're right.

[Dax Shepard]

Let's have some fun.

[Monica Padman]

But they're not very careful, those young girls. That's why.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, it is.

[Monica Padman]

Why, like I wouldn't encourage.

[Dax Shepard]

Why can't you just encourage them to be careful?

[Monica Padman]

Yes, that. Yes. Yeah, most of my friends were really careful who were having sex at that time.

[Dax Shepard]

Just pop on birth control.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. You know, but you have to be able to, you have to feel comfortable to tell your parents or I don't.

[Dax Shepard]

Think you have to.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, you can just go, yeah, but that, that require. I'm saying that requires a lot of. A 15 year old. A 15 year old brain is gonna think, drive me to planned parent. Like it's a lot item you gotta hide. It's a whole secret. It's easier to just.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it is easier to. I think it's one of the easier things to do. You remind me though of this invention I created at 24 years old. And I just was positive it was a hundred million dollar idea. And here's my thought. A lot. In my twenties, I was regularly coming across women who are like, ah, shit, I forgot my birth control today. Or they would be like, they'd spend the night in my house and be like, oh, I forgot my birth control. People never forget their toothbrush. No one ever forgets to brush their teeth. Teeth. I'm never running into women like Ah, fuck. I forgot to brush my teeth this morning. Everyone brushes their teeth. So I thought, how about the birth control toothbrush? They also. Let me tell you why it works on a couple different levels. Toothbrush manufacturers also want you to replace your toothbrush every month or something at some rate that no one's doing.

[Monica Padman]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

So this would be a perfect tie in with like an oral B. Because you get your toothbrush from the pharmacist, it has 30 pills in it.

[Laura LeBeau]

It.

[Dax Shepard]

And every morning you just pop one out and then you brush your teeth. And then when you travel, you like you go to your boyfriend's house, you throw your toothbrush in your purse. It's all great. Isn't that a trillion dollar idea?

[Monica Padman]

It's.

[Dax Shepard]

Why would you be hating on it?

[Monica Padman]

I'm not hating on it. I think it's good you're trying to poke holes. I am, because I know that there are some. But for some reason, none are popping out.

[Dax Shepard]

It's a solid idea.

[Monica Padman]

But also, why. Why not just the.

[Dax Shepard]

Some inventor in Columbus, Georgia is going to hear this and he or she is going to make this Claude Hatcher. And the next time we see them will be on a 400 foot yacht in St. Barth's. Someone's gonna take my idea and run straight to the bank, to Deutsche Suis Bank.

[Monica Padman]

They might. But look, also, if you, if you get in a routine that in the morning I take my birth control before I brush my teeth. Like it's the same. You can train your brain. Yeah, but part of your routine.

[Dax Shepard]

But let's just. I say let's build on what's already working. As opposed to reprogramming people just go like, well, everyone's holding their toothbrush in the morning. Why not put your. The thing you need in that thing?

[Monica Padman]

You're gonna hold the girls that are coming over who are forgetting their birth control are remembering their toothbrush, but they're forgetting their birth control. See, that, to me, for me, that would not happen.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, but you're a uber responsible person. You recognize people have different levels of response. Responsibility.

[Monica Padman]

They're responsible if they're bringing their toothbrush. They're very responsible for their teeth.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Monica Padman]

That's incredibly responsible.

[Dax Shepard]

I'm reminded of what my dental father's favorite thing to always say to young people. He would always say, be true to your teeth or they will be false to you.

[Monica Padman]

That's cute. Yeah. Okay, so you said Ohio when you were a little kid had a very liberal fireworks policy. And you say you don't know about today, so I. I don't know if they do. I think they kind. I think they do. But the top five states that are most that are easiest to get fireworks are. You want to guess?

[Dax Shepard]

I do.

[Monica Padman]

I know you did. Go.

[Dax Shepard]

Idaho is one of them. No bullshit. I've bought like quarter sticks and dynamite in Idaho on my way to Wyoming.

[Monica Padman]

Well, it's probably. I'm sure many have are easy, but these are like.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay, yeah, hit me.

[Monica Padman]

Indiana.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, sure, sure. Also a border state of Michigan, Missouri, Missouri.

[Monica Padman]

Missouri.

[Dax Shepard]

If you're from Missouri, you say Missouri.

[Monica Padman]

I know. I don't like that.

[Dax Shepard]

You don't want to do that?

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania, Texas. Tejas.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, Tekas.

[Monica Padman]

And most importantly, South Carolina.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, that makes those all kind of. They're pretty much what you'd expect.

[Monica Padman]

I feel like, like, yeah, this. According to this website, it said home to more fireworks outlets than McDonald's.

[Dax Shepard]

We think that's great.

[Monica Padman]

There's a lot that's great.

[Dax Shepard]

They're probably having. They're gonna have a great fourth of July there. Yeah. I always stop in Idaho on my way to Wyoming and I get these mortar tubes and I spend so much money. You know, I'm typically cheap, but so one of the things I. I will just blow so much money on is pyrotechnics.

[Monica Padman]

And these mortar.

[Dax Shepard]

These mortar tubes are awesome. And you're dropping this like, like pool ball size explosive in the mortar and then it's just like you're at the Detroit River. I mean it is a. It is a civic level pyrotechnic. It's great. And I get way too many and then I have them the whole year and then they sit in my trailer and then I worry about the fact that I have all this gas in my trailer and I'm just waiting for the whole thing to blow up.

[Monica Padman]

I don't like that at all.

[Dax Shepard]

Living on the edge. As Bon Jovi said. Living on the edge. Jon Jovi.

[Monica Padman]

Living on the edge. He said. Living on a prayer.

[Dax Shepard]

We also said that.

[Monica Padman]

I think I used to love Bon Jovi.

[Dax Shepard]

You did?

[Monica Padman]

Oh my God. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You're so American it's amazing. You couldn't be more American. You love friends and Jon Jovi.

[Monica Padman]

I went to Matt Damon concert.

[Dax Shepard]

You did?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. My friend Gina really turned me on to him. And we were also in love with him.

[Laura LeBeau]

Right.

[Dax Shepard]

And is what I've. What I've gathered from hardcore Jon Jovi fans is the thing they are particularly attracted to is doesn't he have infamously great buns Isn't that one of his?

[Monica Padman]

He does. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

He always shows him off. Like he really always has his.

[Monica Padman]

His worst tight pants.

[Dax Shepard]

His denim is like tailored.

[Monica Padman]

He also has lovely hair.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And a beautiful face.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh yeah. He's very good looking dude. And I don't know how tall he is. He might. He might underwhelm you if you. You. I. I'm speaking out of my ass. I actually don't know. But something tells me he might be.

[Monica Padman]

Most people don't underwhelm me in their height. Because I'm so short.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, because you're sub five foot.

[Monica Padman]

No.

[Dax Shepard]

I know you claim you're not, but I claim you are. It'll be revealed. One episode. We'll get a tape measure in here.

[Monica Padman]

Hashtag, how tall is Monica? Okay. Oh, the story about your dad helping the bus driver was so sweet. The story of mom told in high school. He would help the bus driver. He would sit up front and help the bus driver.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

That's so nice.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, no wonder.

[Monica Padman]

Does that make you think you got all these ladies?

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

No. Delta would never help the bus driver.

[Dax Shepard]

She's so social and.

[Monica Padman]

She's social.

[Dax Shepard]

She like notices when people get new jackets and haircuts and stuff. Like, I actually disagree. I think she'll sit right next to that.

[Monica Padman]

You do?

[Dax Shepard]

I do. Yeah. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I hope she does, but I don't think so. I think she's going to be too popular to sit up by the bus driver. Like she's going to be in the back. She's gonna want to talk to her about her day and trade erasers with her.

[Dax Shepard]

My mom said that Delta reminds her so much of my dad.

[Monica Padman]

Really?

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

She thinks it's my dad reincarnated. Yeah. Which is kind of sweet.

[Monica Padman]

That's really.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, I hope she doesn't develop.

[Monica Padman]

I didn't never got to meet him.

[Laura LeBeau]

Him.

[Monica Padman]

He could have been one of my too.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, you would have found a way that you would have found all of his. His idiosyncrasies endearing, I think.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. He had a big heart.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. And also one more side note. Your mom's recall of names.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh.

[Monica Padman]

Is as good as tulips.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Especially for like people. She went to elementary school.

[Monica Padman]

I know.

[Dax Shepard]

It's boggling.

[Monica Padman]

First and last name she could remember. I was shocked at first. I was like she was making up names. I guess we wouldn't know. But she's not.

[Dax Shepard]

There's the same names. I hear. I almost know her names more than I know my. I mean I have best friends from junior high. Can't remember their names. Yeah, it's crazy. Like I've been wanting to apologize to this kid in elementary school. Like I want to find him, be it on Facebook or something. Put it out in the universe that I want to make an amends for, you know, fighting him in like third grade. And I can't. There's no way I'm going to remember his name.

[Monica Padman]

What about.

[Dax Shepard]

But went back. The photos I had have. Remember they were just like one sheet of glossy paper with 30 kids faces on them. There weren't names.

[Monica Padman]

Oh my God. There were no names in the yearbook.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, no, no, in elementary it wasn't from junior high. It was from elementary school. I could maybe, you know, maybe my sixth grade yearbook. I think he went to the same junior high. Maybe I could locate his name there. But it does plague me. I think about it all the time and I need to.

[Monica Padman]

Well, you're saying it now.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, but he won't even know.

[Monica Padman]

Might know.

[Dax Shepard]

We fought and you know what happened is we were. We were on the Spring Mills. Occasionally they let us play in the parking lot and I can't remember why. Maybe when the field was too muddy or something, but we. It was one on one of these days where we were playing in the parking lot for recess and I got into it with this kid and I punched him in the stomach. And when I punched him, it knocked the wind out of him and he fell down on the ground and he was. I don't think he'd ever had the wind knocked out of him. And he was really scared. Like he was crying and he was laying and. I'll never forget it. I have the picture in my head is. He's right on a manhole cover in the. In the parking lot. And it was so sad and I felt so bad as soon as it happened. And I just think I got to imagine for him he remembers that and that was terrible. And although at the time I did not think that. I'm sure he feels like I was a bully. He was really scared. Those fights were fine. Both kid brushed it off. But this was. He got. He got very scared.

[Monica Padman]

Scared that is. Well, we can. We'll find him.

[Dax Shepard]

And his name is. You know, anyone's guess.

[Monica Padman]

Jake.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, that's him.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. Your mom brought up Sergio Mendez. Another thing your dad, I guess listened to in the car. I didn't know who he was.

[Dax Shepard]

Did you listen to any of his music?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. And then I realized I did know that one song.

[Dax Shepard]

He did a famous version of Girl from Ipanema, I think.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, I didn't find that. No. There's a song called Never Gonna Let yout Go, and I can't think of how it goes right now.

[Dax Shepard]

Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you go Never gonna run around and hurt you. That's Rick Ashley.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

That's not him. Sergio Mendez is a. Is Brazilian, and He has over 55 releases. He plays bossa nova heavily crossed with jazz and funk.

[Dax Shepard]

It's awesome. I have some Sergio Mendez CDs.

[Monica Padman]

All right, so you talk about shaken Baby syndrome. You just call it shaken baby, but, yeah, it's shaken Baby syndrome, also known as abusive head trauma, shaken impact syndrome, inflicted head injury or whiplash shake syndrome. All these are terrible. Yeah. And it's kind of. It's itself explanatory.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Of what it is. You shake a baby and.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. And before having kids, that always seemed like the most insane thing that could occur. But when you have a baby and they won't stop crying and you really are, like, in a weird panic, I. Although I never shook my kids, you.

[Monica Padman]

Could see how people end up there.

[Dax Shepard]

I was like, man, If I was 20 years old and I was drunk or whatever, I could see where it happens.

[Monica Padman]

Yikes. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, one thing I wanted to clarify because of. Because of the structure, just the way you guys were talking, because you have such a familiar knowledge base. You can, like, hop around and you both know what you're talking about. So I just wanted to clarify the timeline of your houses, because it's. So when your mom and dad had David.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

They lived in a small house, she said. And then they moved into an apartment. And then I think they moved into an apartment.

[Dax Shepard]

And maybe Deer Creek was the apartment.

[Monica Padman]

Yes. And then they moved into the mobile home where you were born.

[Dax Shepard]

Brought home. Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Yes. And then you moved into. They moved into the nice house.

[Dax Shepard]

Middle Road.

[Monica Padman]

Yes. So it kind of seemed at first like the nice house was there and then you were born, but it seemed like it was confusing. So that's the. That's the timeline.

[Dax Shepard]

Yep. And then we left the Middle Roadhouse when I was three. We went to those welfare apartments for a year. Then we went to Main street for a year. Then we went to Highland, and we lived in a house for three years. Then we moved into unnamed stepdad's house for a year. Then we moved into our friend Ann's house for about six months. We stopped at my dad's there for a few months until they fought too bad and we left. And then we lived in Highland. I'm sorry, Milford. In the house she built herself for three years. Then I moved back in with my dad. Then I moved back to. So I. Yeah, we had like.

[Monica Padman]

You moved back in with your dad after the nice house that she built?

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, because my dad had gotten in a head on collision and he needed assistance. And I was afraid that everyone at Milford High School was going to murder me because so many guys hated me. And so it was a dual motivation. I. I went to Walled Lake Central and took care of him while he was recovering. But then when he and I got in such a bad fight and then I moved back in with my mom in 11th grade but continued to go to Walt Lake Central. But anyways, because of that, I lived in my apartment in Santa Monica for 10 years and I've lived in this current house for 12 years. I do never want to move. It gives me so much anxiety because we move so much as kids.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Okay. I think your mom mentioned a Christmas where like couldn't turn on Christmas lights. And I think she's talking about the 1979 energy crisis.

[Dax Shepard]

That makes sense.

[Monica Padman]

Time wise, that makes sense, right? 1979 oil crisis or oil shock occurred in due to decreased oil output in the wake of the Iranian revolution.

[Dax Shepard]

They call that the oil embargo. Is that.

[Monica Padman]

You called it that, but it's called the energy.

[Dax Shepard]

And you continue to call it that.

[Monica Padman]

Oh, you talk about colic. I think people know what colic is, but it's just like incessant crying from babies and it just. They won't stop.

[Dax Shepard]

Which I got. I outgrew.

[Monica Padman]

Well, yeah, not if we show some videos of them singing. Yeah, flash mobs. Dax cries at flash mobs.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, not flash mobs. When those Olympians choreographed a routine to text me.

[Monica Padman]

No, to call me maybe. Call me maybe.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I cried when we watched it because. Yeah. So embarrassing.

[Laura LeBeau]

Why?

[Monica Padman]

It's not embarrassing. It's so sweet and endearing. Okay, you mentioned the five S's for resetting babies and we talk about that on Ashton's fact check. So you guys can go listen to Ashton Kutcher episode if you want to learn about the five S's. So you had a. You had to persist on a diet of Karo syrup.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, when she was telling that, did you not just. I was thinking, how am I even here?

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Not feed a baby sugar water.

[Monica Padman]

I know. I was shocked to my core that you spent so many, so much of your little tiny baby life.

[Dax Shepard]

I would truly be. I would be 6 5. There's no way that didn't shave off a couple inches.

[Monica Padman]

It could have been the next Einstein or something.

[Dax Shepard]

I could have been so smart. And I could have played basketball for the Pistons.

[Laura LeBeau]

For Sure.

[Monica Padman]

For sure. 100, no question.

[Dax Shepard]

Thanks. Caro syrup?

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, Caro syrup has corn syrup, salt and vanilla.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my God. I mean, it's poison.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I'm so proud of you for outliving that.

[Dax Shepard]

I guess a little. This is a little bit of feather in my calf that I could have persevered on that diet.

[Monica Padman]

I know.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, and then what a constitution that little baby had.

[Monica Padman]

I know. Because also your mom gave you paregoric because of your colic.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay. And what was that?

[Monica Padman]

And that was an opiate.

[Dax Shepard]

Yes, it was. Well, Jesus Christ, no wonder I'm a recovering. I did.

[Monica Padman]

I literally thought that when I read this. I was like, of course. It's a. It's a. It's a camphorated tincture of opium.

[Dax Shepard]

Oh, my Christ.

[Monica Padman]

It does say. It does say here that it's a traditional parent remedy known for its anti. Dire. Diarrheal.

[Dax Shepard]

Diarrhea.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Monica Padman]

Diarrheal and some other things, but it's. They do give it to babies, I guess.

[Dax Shepard]

But I was on heroin and syrup.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow.

[Laura LeBeau]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

Wow. I really, really should be smarter, I think.

[Monica Padman]

Which. You're pretty smart.

[Dax Shepard]

I was like Burroughs.

[Laura LeBeau]

Who?

[Dax Shepard]

Burrows. William. William Burroughs.

[Monica Padman]

Bill Burroughs.

[Dax Shepard]

He was a famous writer and heroin addict. Oh, he's part of the beat movement. They all kind of worshiped him. Naked lunch. He shot his girlfriend. There's a great, I believe, radio lab on him shooting his girlfriend at a party down in Mexico. And he just didn't deal. Have to deal with that.

[Monica Padman]

Killed her.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Dead. Doing, like a trick with a gun. Some people say it was. He was an accident. And some people say it was not an accident.

[Laura LeBeau]

Wow.

[Dax Shepard]

But there's all this great tape and interview and. Yes, it's a wild story. Story.

[Monica Padman]

I hope you don't kill me by accident.

[Dax Shepard]

It's not inconceivable. Right. Because we do like, you go to the sand dunes with me. You've ridden on a motorcycle with me. There's not been any gunplay, but I would just say. Yet.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

You know.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

That's a big yes.

[Monica Padman]

I don't want to die by your hand. Okay.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Okay. Does cambly walled also. When you were. When you were saying it, I pictured it. C A M B E L. Wait.

[Dax Shepard]

LL like the soup.

[Monica Padman]

LL Y A L D like one big word. Cambly walled.

[Dax Shepard]

Two people's Names. Right.

[Monica Padman]

And it's Campbell Ewald.

[Dax Shepard]

Okay.

[Monica Padman]

Yes.

[Dax Shepard]

Great. Great. Cleared up that lawsuit for us.

[Monica Padman]

Campbell Ewald. And they don't have the Chevrolet account anymore.

[Dax Shepard]

It's Campbell Ewok.

[Monica Padman]

2010. General Motors moved all its important Chevrolet business to another agency after 90 years. 90 more than.

[Dax Shepard]

That's a big hit.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

I think they're up there as the biggest spenders. Advertisement spenders.

[Monica Padman]

You brought up Aaron Weekly, but you didn't call him by his full name.

[Dax Shepard]

My best friend Aaron Weekly.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Because. Because Dax brings up Aaron Weekly all the time.

[Dax Shepard]

A few times a day.

[Monica Padman]

Old friend. His oldest friend. But he always says, my best friend Aaron Weekly. I was. I was visiting Michigan. I went to my best friend Aaron Weekley's house. At first, I was offended.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, because you thought. I thought you didn't remember.

[Laura LeBeau]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

Like, of course I know who that is. You talk about him all the time. Name, like, what? And then it became sweet.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, but what's funny is, while I was in Michigan, you would, like, ask what Delta's up to your soulmate because I was with her.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Send me pictures.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I sent you pictures. And. And every time I had done something with my best friend Aaron Weekly, I would say to you, oh, I met my best friend Aaron Weekly at Highland House, and we had dinner. Now, I met my best friend every week. And even in a text, I would take the time to type out my best friend.

[Monica Padman]

But you did. I don't think you knew you were doing it until I called it out. I. You weren't. It was not a bit until I.

[Dax Shepard]

Said, yeah, now it's become a bit.

[Monica Padman]

But now it's a bit.

[Dax Shepard]

But it's very sincere.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Which is sweet. And also.

[Dax Shepard]

And. And I. I talk a lot on this podcast about people I love and how much I love people, but just tr. Truthfully, Aaron Weekly. My best friend, Aaron Weekly. I just don't know that I've ever felt about a human being the way I feel about him. Him. I just.

[Monica Padman]

That's nice.

[Dax Shepard]

I just. I feel like we have the same cells in our body. When I see him, even, it'll be like a year and a half. And I see him, and I just. My whole body is electric, and we can't talk for more than four seconds without laughing so hard we're gonna cry.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. What a feeling. I hope everyone has a best friend like that.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. You mentioned tube steak. Tube steak is a hot dog.

[Laura LeBeau]

Dog.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

I didn't know that.

[Dax Shepard]

You didn't. I've also never heard that, that was my Pippi. My mom's dad always called it a tube steak.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, I've never heard it. It's a hot dog.

[Dax Shepard]

I mean, clearly a euphemism. We all know it's not a steak. It's like the hooves and snouts of a pig.

[Monica Padman]

And also, I don't think hot dogs are claiming to be steak.

[Dax Shepard]

That's what I'm saying. It's probably the worst meat product out there. I love them.

[Laura LeBeau]

Don't get me wrong.

[Monica Padman]

You can get a hundred percent beef.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. Beef. Beef intestines, beef eyeballs. It's not. Just because it's beef doesn't mean it's, it ain't. Filetman Young.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, you're right.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, it's whatever. That they couldn't sell to somebody.

[Monica Padman]

I'll still leave them. Yeah. The John McCain documentary is John McCain For Whom the Bell Tolls. It's on HBO. You can find it now. It's phenomenal. It'll make you love him so much and appreciate him.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, I, I tweeted about that documentary and then I, of course got a bunch of my fellow liberals, you know, tweeting all these fucking insane things about what a terrible person he is and everything. And the whole reason I tweeted is, is, you know, fucking watch it before you, you jump in your party line. It's like the reason I like the documentary so much is that I am not ideologically aligned with him.

[Monica Padman]

Him, yeah. Politically there.

[Dax Shepard]

But I am so aligned with him as a human being. I, I, he had so much integrity, so many admirable qualities, and I think it's a great thing for all of us to watch to remember what little percentage of our existence as humans is our political views. There's so much more to us than that, and it's a great reminder of that.

[Monica Padman]

But also, he's that like, he often not, you know, he, he, he, he has a lot of conviction for the things he cares about that I may not agree with politically.

[Dax Shepard]

Right.

[Monica Padman]

But he also votes against his party, and he does, he really does do the thing that he feels is the right thing.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah.

[Monica Padman]

And doesn't feel like it's for political gain. It's just what he thinks is right.

[Dax Shepard]

And even more impressive is that when he has been wrong, which he's been wrong, he owns it, which is so attractive. Every single politician, I feel like, though, I mean, they literally the bed in front of you and then explain why they didn't do it or, you know, it's just there was a level of ownership over his mistakes. That is. That was very admirable.

[Monica Padman]

Absolutely. Yeah. That's it. I mean, I. I also wanted to say that her story was full with cheerleaders and angels and people who helped her and could and saw her and, you know, she did so much, but she had people, and it's good to know that and recognize, like, those people in your life and that you. It's good to be that for other people if you have the chance and opportunity to do it. I just thought that was for me, that was sort of a takeaway.

[Dax Shepard]

It.

[Monica Padman]

You gotta help people.

[Dax Shepard]

Well, especially in times where you've lost your perspective, as she has to have a network of people that, you know, you're connected to, who will sense. Oh, this is. Okay. This person needs help now.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Like circle the wagons.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah. Just be aware of. Yeah.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah. You can't be an island. I think that's the message.

[Monica Padman]

You guys are that for me. Me, you and Kristina.

[Dax Shepard]

Yeah, I hope to be for life.

[Monica Padman]

Yeah, me too.

[Dax Shepard]

Until I kill you.

[Monica Padman]

Until you kill me with a handgun.

[Dax Shepard]

On the back of my motorcycle jumping a dune buggy in the sand dunes. I love you.

[Monica Padman]

I love you, too.

[Dax Shepard]

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