Scott Eastwood

Summary

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Episode: Scott Eastwood
Date: August 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armchair Expert features actor Scott Eastwood in an honest, lively conversation with Dax Shepard and Monica Padman. The discussion centers on Scott’s unconventional upbringing, his career as an actor, his complicated relationship with legacy and fame, personal loss, experiences on intense film sets, and finding balance and meaning in life. The episode stands out for its vulnerability, humor, and insightful storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Childhood and Upbringing

• Moving Between Cultures:

  • Scott grew up mainly in California (Carmel-by-the-Sea) and spent formative years in Hawaii.
  • [09:09] "That comes with some age and perspective. Leaving, like, anything. I thought it was quite small, and I wanted more." — Scott
  • His mother, Jacqueline, was a flight attendant; parents amicably split, leading to a move to Hawaii.

• Navigating Hawaii as an Outsider:

  • [13:05] Scott discusses being a "haole" (white person) and struggling to fit in, facing fistfights, and ultimately earning respect through sports:
    "You need a roll. He's not wrong...at the beginning, you're one of two white kids on the team. Why are you here? Beat it. Howley. But then...you become part of the pack."

• Early Rebellion:

  • [15:31] Scott recalls a minor criminal episode—stealing and selling marijuana in high school, leading to expulsion.
  • [16:34] "I went to go live with my dad."
  • Despite his famous lineage, Scott emphasizes a modest upbringing and strict discipline from his father, Clint Eastwood.

Relationship with Clint Eastwood & Legacy

• Public Perception and Family Dynamics:

  • [08:00] Dax acknowledges the difficulty of being asked about Clint; Scott replies:
    "It doesn't upset me at all...if I get upset about something, it's the lack of thoughtfulness in a question."
  • Scott describes his father's frugality and generational habits (e.g., always turning off lights).

• Proving Himself in Acting:

  • [37:31] Early in his career, Scott went by “Scott Reeves” to avoid nepotism, wanting to prove himself:
    "I wanted to understand if I could make this work and do it on my own and, you know, you want to prove something to yourself, probably...then you realize it's more about doing the work."
  • [39:39] On being raised tough: "It was tough on his sons. Oh, sucker for his daughters."

Career Experiences & Industry Insights

• Finding His Path:

  • Pathway through Santa Barbara City College, Santa Monica Community College, and eventually Loyola Marymount, all while bartending and holding various odd jobs to support himself.
  • [33:33] "That's gonna be me, if I don't start working on my career now while I'm in college." — Scott

• Not a Hollywood Insider:

  • [41:07] Both he and his father preferred not to live in LA, emphasizing the importance of inner peace over proximity:
    "If it costs you your peace, it's too expensive. And this place was costing me my peace."

Notable Film Experiences

• "Fury" and Method Acting Stories

  • [42:01] In-depth behind-the-scenes: David Ayer wanted the cast to box, building “jungle monkey politics.”
  • [44:01] Tension with Shia LaBeouf, including nearly physical confrontations, and Brad Pitt having to intervene:
    "One day he was having an episode and thought that I shouldn't be spitting tobacco on the tank...finally I just said, enough's enough. I said, hey, fudge. You said, stop pulling your shit. I said, I'm going to whoop your ass. And then...everyone broke it up." — Scott

• Approach to Acting and Fame:

  • [40:26] Despite loving creative work, Scott says he doesn’t feel like a natural fit in Hollywood’s social scene:
    "Never felt like I fit. It still don't even feel right. Love the act of storytelling...intellectualizing about it? Not really for me."
  • On fame versus fortune:
    "Everyone wants to be famous. When you don't want to be famous, you want to be rich. Sure, sure...being famous, that's not really..." — Scott [78:21]

• "Lucky Strike" & War Films:

  • [64:08] Scott discusses his new WWII film Lucky Strike, his experience filming in challenging conditions in Bulgaria, and the value of honoring historical sacrifice through storytelling:
    "Anytime you're telling stories where people died and sacrificed themselves for our country, it comes with, like, a heavier weight...Let's honor that." [70:09]

• Fast & Furious Franchise and Relationship with Paul Walker:

  • [60:17] Scott describes his mentorship and friendship with Paul Walker, connecting over surfing and Jiu-jitsu, and what being part of the Fast family means after Paul's passing.

Dealing with Loss & Vulnerability

• Losing a Partner and Coping:

  • [48:42] Scott opens up about losing his girlfriend in an airbag-related car accident—a moment of striking vulnerability:
    "She was essentially shot by the airbag." — Scott [48:53]
  • [49:59] He explains compartmentalizing grief to keep working on a film set:
    "I did a classic defense mechanism. Just punt that to later. Compartmentalized that to later."

• Impact of Working Abroad:

  • [52:10] Dax and Scott discuss the “pause” effect of acting jobs—missing life events while on location and the psychological tradeoffs of a transient lifestyle.

• Spiritual Experience in Bali:

  • [54:55] Scott recounts a profound healing session in Bali helping him reconnect with lost loved ones:
    "It was an out of body experience with the people I have lost...More powerful than any drug."

• Reflections on Grief:

  • [53:20] On the challenge of unfinished relationships due to death:
    "Maybe I've become better at accepting life and death because I've gone through it a few times."

Personal Philosophy and Humor

• Handling Compliments:

  • [76:58] Scott feels uneasy being called handsome, echoing his father’s humility:
    "When people say it, I think I get them, like, uncomfortable."

• Meaningful Compliments:

  • [77:35] He values affecting people positively through his work rather than praise for looks:
    "If someone said, hey, I watched your movie, it really affected me. I lost a father. Or I. I connected with this. I felt...that's more interesting to me."

• On Fame vs. Riches:

  • [78:21] “When you don't want to be famous, you want to be rich. Sure, sure...But being famous, that's not really..."

Memorable & Lighthearted Moments

• [18:32] High school fistfight gossip:
  "A guy, a bully, singled me out because I was the new kid...we went down to the place where everyone fights. It was like a big field..."
• [73:00] On Burning Man:
  "The first time I did it was the very fancy...private plane to another private plane landing on the desert with a car. Right to your thing. Very cool. The second time, less so."
• [57:19] Playful discussion about being featured in Taylor Swift’s “Wildest Dreams” video.
• [77:10] Monica and Dax debate which celebrities Scott most resembles, with playful bickering and laughter.

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Notable Quotes

• On perspective and privilege:
  "Just because your dad has done something great doesn't mean you've done anything great." — Scott [20:46]
• On his relationship to acting:
  "My dad was never one to intellectualize about it. He's like, just go tell the truth, man. Figure it out. Come prepared, do the job." [40:53]
• About dealing with loss:
  "When someone passes or something happens, it's really tough. And this had happened before, actually. I had lost Paul Walker on Fury, and he was...a big brother." — Scott [49:19]
• On seeking authenticity:
  "You can't control how you look, but you can control how you affect people, what you put out there in the universe, whether you do good, whether you create art." — Scott [77:37]

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Segment Timestamps

• [03:28] Scott joins the conversation—early banter about teeth, parasites, and Hawaii.
• [08:00] Addressing the "Clint Eastwood's son" elephant in the room.
• [13:05] Adapting to Hawaiian culture and facing local hierarchies.
• [15:31] Early trouble and moving in with his father.
• [17:16] Frugality lessons and family dynamics.
• [18:32] Surviving a filmed high school fistfight.
• [32:54] Deciding to get serious about acting and career.
• [41:07] Preference for living outside Los Angeles.
• [42:01] On-set stories from Fury including cast conflicts.
• [48:42] Personal loss: Losing his girlfriend and friend Paul Walker.
• [54:55] Bali spiritual experience and thoughts on grief, closure, and ghosts.
• [64:08] On new film Lucky Strike, directing, and honoring war stories.
• [73:00] Burning Man—fancy vs. rugged experiences.
• [76:58] On beauty, fame, and meaningful impact.

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The episode is characteristically open, irreverent, and deeply human. Through candid reflection and self-deprecating humor, Scott Eastwood demystifies his Hollywood legacy, reveals discomfort with superficiality, and demonstrates a hard-earned focus on authenticity and real connection. The stories—of adventure, loss, tough discipline, and camaraderie on set—offer valuable insights into perseverance, humility, and what it means to carve out a personal identity amidst family legacy and public scrutiny.

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Listeners will come away with a richer understanding of Scott Eastwood, far beyond his lineage—a thoughtful, resilient, and quietly grounded human being who isn’t afraid to laugh at himself or confront life’s hardest moments with honesty and grace.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dax Shepard and I'm joined by Monica Padman.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

I love handsome actors.

[A]

Scott Eastwood. Oh, is he handsome? Scott Eastwood is an actor. Oh, and he hates being. I'm. I already. I forgot the lesson I learned in the interview.

[B]

He doesn't like being called when no one does too.

[A]

And I already knew that.

[B]

He called handsome.

[A]

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[C]

We haven't met before, have we?

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

Hi, Monica.

[C]

Monica, pleasure.

[A]

I remember meeting a man as handsome as you. It would see her in.

[C]

How are you guys doing?

[B]

We're good.

[A]

Just fresh from the dentist. Oh. My teeth were jagged at the bottom. I didn't really even think about it, but my man pointed it out. He's like, you know, I could make that smooth. And I was like, yeah. I felt like I got upsold a little bit.

[C]

Do you grind? Is that why I had a brush?

[A]

I mean, truthfully, I think when I've been in fights, I bite my fucking front of my teeth. There's a few events in my life where I'll bite the front of my teeth. And I think I just chipped off the ends.

[C]

You know, they say if you're grinding and you're not sleeping during the full moons, you probably have some sort of parasite, like worms. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[B]

Worms.

[A]

Walk me through that way. If you're not sleeping during a full moon. During the full moon and you grind your teeth.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Why are the parasites responding to the full moon?

[C]

You know, I don't know. But I do know that that's a thing. And they've been talking about it since the dawn of time.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Native Americans have had that. They've known about that. Every sort of ancient culture has been talking about parasitic stuff during the full moon.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Yeah. I think we chalk up a lot now to like, oh, that's woo, woo.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

But it's a thing.

[A]

It sounds adjacent to astrology. For sure.

[C]

It's definitely. But then you talk to, like, doctors who, you know, are pretty intelligent. They're like, oh, yeah. If you're grinding and you have trouble sleeping during a full moon, like, check your gut.

[A]

Have you had a parasite?

[C]

I have.

[A]

There we go. Yeah, there we go. It feels personal.

[C]

Yeah, it is. It is. And probably still ongoing. I've had H. Pylori multiple times.

[A]

It's called H. Pylori.

[C]

H. Pylori.

[A]

And tell Me about H. Pylori.

[C]

H. Pylori is a bacteria in your gut.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

A lot of people have it. They say one in four people have it.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Then I've also had, like, some sort of version of worms.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

From traveling.

[C]

Traveling.

[A]

Do you know where you got the worms?

[C]

I don't know where I got it. No.

[A]

How did you figure that out?

[C]

I've struggled with gut issues through the years. I mean, because of all the traveling. When I was, you know, much younger, I was traveling all the time for surfing.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So I would go to, like, Indonesia

[A]

as a hobby or you were like, competing.

[C]

No, as a hobby.

[A]

From what age?

[C]

I started surfing when I was like, 10, 11.

[A]

Oh, you were in Hawaii at that point. Right. You were in two areas that you could have. Really?

[B]

You're going to pick up some bacteria in those waters.

[A]

We just interviewed someone.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Who was in Bali on a trip. They got some kind of. Not an official tour guide. And this gentleman was like, let me take you ladies to this incredible, you know, about the such and such. And it's all these natural water slides that have eroded out of the volcanic. It was very cool sounding. And then pools of water and it's great. So they do this. They have a great time. She had also had an incredible sunburn, so she missed the rash phase. Most people would have recognized they got a crazy rash right afterwards, but she didn't because of all this sunburn. And then what was it, like, five,

[B]

like six years later?

[A]

Six years later, Staff. It had been. No, it was some kind of wormy

[B]

parasite that had just been in there multiplying and it had gotten, like, really debilitating. She couldn't move. And then they figured, totally fatigued.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No energy. And then they're like, oh, yeah, you've had this thing for six years.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

What actually got you to go to a doctor? Tummy ache. Something's fucked up.

[C]

Yeah, regular. I mean, okay, sure, sure, sure. Some issues.

[A]

Some bowels.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Evacuation schedule issues.

[C]

And then you think you're okay, and then all of a sudden you're like, maybe I'm not okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So what does one do if they have that?

[C]

You gotta get on a antibiotic protocol.

[A]

Oh, you do?

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I think you have to take, like, three antibiotics all at the same time for like, a couple weeks.

[B]

That's a lot.

[A]

I'm hopeful because I was on a pick line for, like, four months. You know, antibiotics where you gotta shoot it in your body a day or twice a day.

[C]

What from.

[A]

Oh, man, motorcycle accident that. Then I got a bunch of metal put in, and then that metal was infected. Then I got in a bicycle accident, which broke all the metal. And then they went in there to fix that. They discovered this huge infection. So I had to. Yeah. Do that for months, shooting it in. And I like to think that although it also killed. That it would have killed something like that as well, because I was just carpet bombing my body for months.

[C]

I mean, a lot of people still try to take turpentine for things like that. They'll drink it. It's medicine from the 1800s. Like, yeah, it might work, but it also might kill you.

[A]

Also strips pain. I mean, that's the primary use of turpentine.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So I want to start with an assumption and a disclaimer which is, if I were you, I would. Fudgeing. Hate talking about my dad. Or I'd just be so sick of it.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I know I'm going to get asked.

[C]

It doesn't upset me at all.

[A]

It doesn't?

[C]

No. I mean, you know, I think more than anything, if I get upset about something, it's the lack of thoughtfulness in

[A]

a question, in an interview.

[C]

You've experienced that, where you're like, have you done any research? Are you a thoughtful interviewer or intention.

[A]

You get the sense, oh, they're just trying to trap me into really bad soundbite I'm gonna regret.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah. I don't want to trap anyone. I don't want any clickbait.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You're 40 now, right?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

But there's been waves of it where also it's like, shut the fuck up about my. And then other periods where you're like, oh, yeah, I'm older now and I don't really.

[C]

Yeah, you kind of reach a tipping point where you're like, why do I care about that? Or I'm comfortable just being me now.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Okay, so let's start, though. Your mom's Jacqueline.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You're born in Carmel by the sea.

[C]

I was.

[B]

Oh, beautiful. Have you been Monica? Yes, I have. Gorgeous.

[A]

Can you have awareness when you're young and you're born somewhere that it's significantly prettier than everywhere else? I mean, it's just what it is there, Right.

[C]

I think. Yeah. That comes with some age and perspective. Leaving, like, anything. I thought it was quite small, and I wanted more.

[A]

It is tiny, right?

[C]

It is. It's connected to the larger Bay Area.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You can be in Santa Cruz in 30 minutes and then from Santa Cruz into San Francisco or San Jose.

[A]

But when you're there, you're there. I mean, it's like kind of. Yeah, it's a couple roads on an

[C]

island a little bit, or a peninsula, I guess.

[A]

What were the kids and the parents like? What do people do there? It feels very like you're there to retire. I don't know what the industry is there. Like, was it mostly, like, wealthy families and that kind of thing?

[C]

It's not just wealth. I mean, there's middle and lower class, for sure. Seaside and Marina and Salinas has got a lot of lower socioeconomic demographic. So it all sort of blends. Then. The closer to the coast you get, the more upper class. But, you know, people do the same thing. I mean, they look to find ways to get into trouble and sneak out and go drink and in high school and do things you're not supposed to do. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Were you there 0 to 10, then 14 to 18. Is that what it was?

[C]

Yeah, I was there, I think, zero to eight then my mom and I lived in Hawaii. And my sister.

[A]

She into dogs?

[C]

That's not the one that's into dogs.

[A]

Okay. Kristen's like, I think I know his sister through dogs.

[C]

Yeah, that's Allison. She has a big dog rescue in Malibu.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[C]

And then, yeah, back to Hawaii for eight or so years, and then back to Carmel for sort of the second half of high school.

[A]

Okay, so Jacqueline was a flight attendant.

[C]

She was.

[A]

With what airline?

[C]

She's gonna kill me. Cause I'll miss say this, but it's Hughes Air west, which then became maybe TWA and then Northwest. I think they sort of buy each other.

[A]

And did your parents meet on a flight?

[C]

No. No.

[A]

Damn it, no. That would have been good because you've had the fantasy. I have. You're chatting with the attendant. They're attractive, and you're like, oh, could this be a romance?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Could we have, like, a night in Paris when we land?

[C]

Yeah. I think you're thinking more of, like,'50s flight attendants.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Right now it's like, not so much the fantasy. It's like, get out of the way.

[A]

Move.

[C]

Get off the plane.

[A]

Yeah. Put your in front of your feet. Don't put it in the overhead.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

How long was she doing it?

[C]

She did for 14 or 15 years.

[A]

Okay, so a full career.

[C]

Yeah, she had a career.

[A]

So how'd they meet?

[C]

They were both living in Monterey, and they just, I think, mutual friends.

[A]

Where's she from originally?

[C]

She's from Washington State.

[A]

What kind of gal is she?

[C]

Simple. Now she walks and collects shells on the beach daily. Still single, she raised two kids after her career. You know, she was a mother and she did some interior design sort of on the side.

[A]

What took you guys to Hawaii?

[C]

She taught tennis there when she was in her early 20s and she always loved it. And then my dad and her split and she said, I'm going back to Hawaii.

[A]

So they had an amicable.

[C]

Yeah, they're great friends. Oh, lovely.

[A]

And what island were you on?

[C]

Kauai for a few years, then the Big Island. She moved to the Big island because the school system on Kauai isn't very good. The school systems in general in Hawaii aren't some of the best. And there was a good school that she moved to for us in middle school and high school.

[A]

And were you going to a public school there?

[C]

I was, and then a private school and then a public school.

[A]

How did it work out being a Holly? Because I've had some real dicey experiences down in Hawaii. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

That's a thing. Yeah, yeah, that's still a thing.

[A]

I'll give you an example. I was. I was sitting in paella in Maui and I'm talking to this skinny white dude that works at this paella organic pizza place. It's great. And he, like grew up there. I'm like, how'd you do as a skinny white dude on this island? And he's like, oh, man, you need a niche. I happen to be really tiny, so I would go pig hunting with the dudes because I was tiniest. I could get in to stab the boar once they had it down. Yep. He's like, so I had a roll. But you really need a roll.

[C]

You need a roll. He's not wrong.

[A]

Was it intimidating when you got there?

[C]

Yeah, I know. I mean, nobody liked me. Luckily my mom, I think she really pushed. I had to be in sports, so she put me in football. So early age I was doing Pop Warner.

[A]

Perfect. You've got built in friends, teammates.

[C]

Well, yeah, at the beginning, built in. You're one of two white kids on the team. Why are you here? Beat it. Howley. But then I think as time progressed and they saw, oh, cool, he's willing to put the work in and take some hits. You become part of the pack. So that's good.

[A]

And did you find your way into the pack?

[C]

Yeah. Then you go and play another school, they might be like, beat it. Howling.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta read.

[C]

So it's always touch and go in Hawaii.

[A]

Did you get your ass kicked?

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. From an early age, getting in lots of fistfights. You had to learn how to defend yourself, learn how to kind of navigate the waters and be like, okay, either I'm gonna get in a fight right now or I'm gonna figure out how to defuse this. Yeah, most of the time it was getting in a fight, but then I think you start to earn your stripes and then it is like anywhere it

[A]

seems scary, it still is.

[C]

The surfing culture in Hawaii, it's still very protected. Yeah, yeah. It's like a resource. Right? Waves are a resource. And there is a respect and pecking order that you have to respect and that's part of the whole thing. And white howly guys are at the bottom of the totem pole.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Unless you're. Who'd we interview? The big surfer.

[C]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Kelly Slayer. Kelly Slater.

[A]

Kelly Slayer.

[B]

Slater.

[A]

Kelly Slater.

[C]

I think even Kelly, he's not. You know, in Hawaii, they don't care about the champions. They actually probably want to kick his ass if he steps out of line.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

I've heard epic stories of dudes getting like, literally punched on their surfboard, like on a wave.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a thing.

[A]

And what about girls? Did you have girlfriends? Could you have romances?

[C]

Yeah, that's also, again, on an island. Could be a resource.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If you, you know, take interest to the wrong girl. Yeah, that's not.

[A]

It makes me think of. Have you ever seen Officer and a Gentleman?

[B]

Uh huh.

[C]

Of course.

[A]

And they kind of tell the backstory of why Richard Gere is such a badass, I think. And it's like he was a little boy in Thailand or Vietnam during the thing, and he's just getting his kicked by all the local kids and then, you know, you just had to raise up. It sounds a little bit like that.

[C]

It's a little bit like that.

[A]

So what grade did you leave there?

[C]

I left when I got in trouble. I got in some trouble.

[A]

What kind of trouble did you get in?

[C]

I like to think it was my first entrepreneurial experience, selling pot.

[A]

Oh, great. Where were you getting it?

[C]

We raided a pot farm.

[A]

Great. You stole a ton of. Yeah, yeah, perfect.

[C]

We weren't going to buy it.

[A]

No, no. Who had the capital where exactly?

[C]

Yeah, so we did a little boo bo.

[A]

How many of you?

[C]

There was I think five or six of us that hatched this plan in the night under moonlight. Gonna steal the pot. Stole the pot. Took it down to the beach, dried it out and then we divvied it up and then we were gonna make some dough.

[A]

And were you gonna move it on the beach or in school?

[C]

No, at school.

[A]

At school.

[C]

Sure, sure, sure. It'll be easy to move things. And then I don't remember. Somewhere along the line, someone got pinched and then they ratted. Yeah, they rolled on everybody.

[A]

Rats, right. That's why eighth graders don't make great criminals, because they roll pretty easy. They rol police involved?

[C]

No, they didn't really have any actual evidence, but they still kicked us out of school. I think there was enough people. I denied that. Still, you didn't do it.

[A]

So were you sent now to live with dad or did mom go with you?

[C]

I went to go live with my dad.

[A]

It sounds like you. Were you living a pretty modest life in Hawaii?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, comfortable, but we didn't live lavish.

[A]

I guess I'm wondering if I knew my dad was your dad. I was like, where's the golf carts? Like, why don't I have all this? You don't have a golf cart. Yeah. Why are I living out the toy?

[C]

Well, my dad's not like that. Even if when I was living with him, or at all, he's not a material guy. He comes from a very different generation. I mean, you gotta remember he was born in 1930. Yeah, yeah. So he saw the real lows of the Great Depression and that stuck with him forever. He still to this day would be telling you to turn off a light if you left the house. Like, why the hell didn't you turn off the light?

[B]

Yeah, dads love to tell you to turn off the lights.

[C]

They do.

[A]

I do too. I'll go waste a ton of money in one domain and then I'll be like, that lights on.

[B]

It's so crazy.

[A]

I mean, it's like primitive. There's something going on. I was like, put the fire out or there's something weird is going on. I care more than I should about

[B]

this weird frugality in just this one area.

[A]

That's pretty insignificant in your total nut. It's not like you're going to move the needle if you really tighten up your electricity bill.

[C]

Especially now with LEDs, right? I mean.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Bottom rip.

[C]

Sometimes I'll just leave them on just to spy that I do.

[B]

I literally will. I'll just be like, going to turn the light off. I'm like, you know what? I can leave it on. I get to make this decision now for me, for myself.

[A]

How was it when you dropped back into Carmel? Going into high School.

[C]

You know, you jump into a new high school, that's always a little wonky. Are you going to be the one who's going to get picked on? And that actually did happen, I think one of the first months or two of high school, a guy, a bully, singled me out because I was the new kid. I didn't want to fight. Cause I was like, I'm a new kid to school. Why are you picking on me? One day after school, I said, enough's enough. Let's go. And so then we went down to the place where everyone fights. It was like a big field.

[A]

Okay, great.

[C]

I remember it actually vividly, because he's now one of my best friends. But he had an old camcorder, and he was gonna film the fight.

[A]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

There could be nothing more awkward than you're going to fight a kid. For us, it was the Milford Cinema. That's where we all went. And he's like, yeah, just give me five. I got to set up my tripod. I mean, let me just block this really quick. Do you think you were going to fight over there, or. I'm just trying to figure out why my frame. So he set up his camcorder.

[C]

No, he had it in his hand.

[A]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[C]

I mean, I remember all the kids were parking and running down.

[B]

Not the bully, Right? Just another friend.

[C]

No, just another friend.

[B]

Now he's.

[C]

Now he's my best friend.

[B]

I thought the bully was, like, filming and punching.

[A]

Well, no, no. I thought he's, like, making his tape, so I thought he would set it up on a tripod, then kick ass and watch it at home and love it. You can see that as an incentive. Right?

[B]

This is just another friend.

[A]

So does the tape exist?

[C]

It probably does, but we have no idea where it is.

[A]

Yeah. How did that fight go?

[C]

It went pretty good for me.

[A]

Oh, good, good, good, good. Oh, I would have had to get that tape.

[C]

I didn't want to fight because I had been in a lot of fights pre that, and I was like, I don't need to do that. Start this school out.

[A]

Like, we already did that.

[C]

We already did that. Like, why can't I just. Okay. To my mom's credit, she had put me in martial arts very early. Did a lot of taekwondo and boxing. I had a really good foundation for fighting, especially after being in all these fights with kids in Hawaii. So it was good because actually, now that I think about it, I did get in a lot of fights with different schools. That was the only fight I was in. I Think in that school. But then Carmel High would fight Monterey High.

[A]

Oh, great.

[C]

And it was like this rivalry because we had a football rivalry. So there would be, like, the outside group fights.

[A]

Yeah. Wonderful.

[C]

Rumbles. It rumbles.

[A]

Oh, what a time to be alive. I know. What are we doing? But it is chimps. We're all like, this chimp's big. Should I try it?

[C]

I don't know why we have that. It doesn't end too right. It's like a fight for resources, right?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

Who's cool? Who's gonna get the girl?

[A]

All the dudes gotta hear is, like, one girl going like, oh, yeah, his dad's blank. And then he's off to the races.

[B]

Ugh.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I guess when I think my conclusion is it's not as fun as I thought it might be.

[C]

It's just, if anything, you know, just because your dad has done something great doesn't mean you've done anything great. It doesn't mean, you know, either you're a good dude and you're cool, or you're not. And that takes you a lot farther than whether your dad was cool or not in life.

[A]

Did you get to be on sets a lot as a kid?

[C]

I did. Summers we would go, and I remember getting to go and see him in Houston working on the space movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Cowboys. Space cowboys.

[B]

Cowboys.

[C]

Space cowboys. Exactly.

[A]

We got it.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Wait, it was him and Tommy Lee Jones.

[C]

Tommy Lee Jones. Donald Sutherland and James Gardner, who was great. I got to meet him and get to know these legends.

[A]

Your dad presents, of course, as very alpha. But is that his vibe in real life? I mean, I'll cut to the chase. I'm curious how he dealt with Tommy Lee Jones, who I hear is really, really hard. And I'm just wondering if he had the, like, Alpha ness to keep him.

[C]

I think everybody has got a lot of respect for him, so I don't think people try to.

[A]

They don't act up around him.

[C]

Yeah. You know, he's very calm and even keel, and it doesn't raise his voice ever. I mean, he would with me, but as he should.

[B]

That's what dads do.

[C]

I heard a legendary story. I'm sort of gonna paraphrase it, and I'll probably tell it a little wrong, but Kevin Costner sort of going through maybe the Kevin Costner rise to fame and maybe got a big ego, sure, blah, blah, blah. But they were doing Perfect World, and they're both starring in this movie. My dad is directing it, apparently. Kevin wouldn't come out of his trailer for some reason. And my dad doesn't do trailers and things. He's like, just be on set, stay on set. He always told me, too, as a kid, you want to learn how to make movies? You want to learn how to do this? You stay here with everybody else and you make the damn movie. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently, he didn't want to come out of his trailer for some reason.

[A]

He might have been entertaining.

[C]

He might have.

[B]

He also could have been going number two.

[A]

He could have been irregular. He could have had a parasite.

[B]

He could have had a parasite.

[A]

We don't know, Laurie.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

But I think his reputation is he's hard on directors. This holds.

[C]

So he just said, we'll send him home then. And everyone said, what do you mean? Well, he's in the scene. Send him home. So he sent him home. And I guess they just went to Kevin and said, hey, you're gonna go home for the day. You don't need him. He said, what do you mean I'm in the scene? Well, I guess you're not anymore.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

That train left the station.

[C]

Clint changed that. And so, you know, that's the pecking order. And so I think the next day, he on set, ready to go.

[A]

Your dad also infamously does, like, half a take, right? This is the. I've had friends who have done his movies. I've even heard stories where it's like they're doing, like, kind of a rehearsal, and they're gonna do a pyro rehearsal, and they shoot that. And he's like, okay, next thing, we got it. So, yeah, if you're not out on set, like, he's moving quick.

[C]

He's moving quick. And you better come ready to work. You better know your shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And actually, I think, you know, I mean, you both are performers and done this a ton of sometimes if that's done right and the space is held correctly, it's all respected and everyone's quiet and you're rehearsing. Sometimes the best stuff just comes.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

If you're able to do that. He would always tell me this trick. You would just go to the cinematographer, just run. And you wouldn't tell anybody. Everyone's comfortable. They're not thinking about anything. There's no nerves.

[A]

Yeah, that's the move.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

Did you have the interest in acting as a kid?

[C]

You know what movie I would say really made an impression on me was Endless Summer. I don't know if you've ever seen it.

[A]

40 years ago.

[C]

Okay, so it's Bruce Brown making one of the most iconic surf films of all time. It's more than just a surf film, though. It's a movie about traveling the world and about travelers that happen to be surfers. But experiencing all this culture and the

[A]

premise, they just chase the summer.

[C]

They chase the summer.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's bigger than surfing, that concept.

[C]

It is. They just happen to be doing surfing along the way, which is a beautiful sport. It's in nature. But they go to all these continents and they travel the world, and you get all this, like, spice of culture and this life. And I always thought that's my dream, to chase summer around the world. So I don't know if it happened to be, like, be a surfer, but it was experience. Oh, yeah. It was an experience.

[A]

Yeah. How do I stay in summer all the time?

[B]

Oh, I love that.

[A]

Or whatever summer represents at all time. So you go to Loyola?

[C]

I ended up at Loyola. I bounced around. I did Santa Barbara City College.

[A]

Me, too.

[C]

Oh, no ways.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Santa Barbara City College. Beautiful campus for a city college.

[C]

Amazing. Yeah.

[A]

You're on that little bluff looking out at the ocean. I remember I got a microwave burrito my first day there. And I was sitting on the grass and I'm from Detroit. I'm like, get out of here. This is a fucking school. This is a college. Yeah, this is a community college.

[C]

I know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So you started there. Did you live downtown or in Ivy?

[C]

No, I lived on the mesa in a little apartment there. I remember it was 12 bucks a unit or something, you know.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

For school. For school. And you could enroll for, I don't know, whatever it was. I worked as a bar back at the Brew House. I don't know if you ever went down to the Brew House.

[A]

It's State Street.

[C]

No, not on State Street. That's Santa Barbara Brewing Company. I think it's still there, actually. It's down by where the Spearmint Rhino and all that area.

[A]

And I had a couple friends that work there.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

A little bit of a seedier area.

[A]

Yeah, I love it. There's train tracks.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I lived on Bath, right behind that.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I bar back there. I had a bike.

[A]

Motorcycle?

[C]

No, bicycle.

[B]

Yeah. Didn't everyone have bikes there? That's like a thing.

[C]

It's like bike culture. Right. And also my dad wouldn't buy me a car.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because I made that pitch and that didn't go.

[A]

This is a hysterical.

[B]

What is.

[A]

If your dad is Clinton's win, he doesn't buy you a car.

[B]

No, I like that.

[A]

Yeah, I know you like it, but I would be furious.

[C]

Well, I think at the time I was. At the time I was like, come on, dude.

[A]

Dude, you won't even notice this. Yeah, you can't even find this withdrawal from your account.

[B]

But that's not the rationale. It's not like I can't afford it. And then you, then you'd be like, well, that's. But he'd just be like, no, you don't deserve.

[A]

I bought a car, couldn't afford it, but I wasn't resentful because my mom was unloaded. But if my mom was loaded, I think I would have been pissed.

[B]

But you're not just like automatically entitled to a car. Exactly. At six or whatever.

[C]

Probably for the best. Probably for a lot of reasons. One, the value of money and what that is and like learning respect for that and like your job. But also probably giving a kid a car at 18, 19. What do you do? You drinking and driving? Are you doing something stupid?

[A]

He might have been worried that you are going to get in trouble with anything like that. Yeah.

[C]

And I think probably the value of time and money, I think that's like the principal lesson that he wanted me to know. This doesn't grow on trees and you better go out and earn it.

[A]

How many nights a week as a bar back were you making love to strangers? Several of the nights a week, I

[C]

think four nights a week. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Rest days.

[A]

You're like kind of all my fantasies I have, like, I'm just imagining being as good looking as you in Santa Barbara as a bar back.

[B]

You are projecting a lot of fantasy on you.

[A]

I'm trying to own it. But yeah, yeah, I'm like, oh my God, what? You needed a two seater bike, you needed a tandem. I like, what if you took the girl out from the bar and she's like, why do you drive a tandem bike? Yeah, because I generally have passengers. Girl, you riding?

[C]

Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare.

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I was there for about a year or so. I had this one moment actually that kind of woke me up from being just a kid in college and being a bar back. I went to a restaurant actually in Santa Barbara and this guy I had known from growing up, he was in Hawaii growing up and he'd gone out many years prior. He was like six years older and he'd gone to college in Santa Barbara and he was there bar backing. And I was like, hey, you're working here. I was like, but didn't you go to college here? And like, why are you still working as this bar back? And I was like thinking, oh man, I better get my shit together.

[A]

Yeah, that's gonna be me, right?

[C]

That's gonna be Me, if I don't start working on my career now while I'm in college. So I packed up after a year and a half or something at Santa Barbara and I moved to la and I was like, I gotta get this going while I'm in college and do both things in parallel.

[A]

Meaning acting in college.

[C]

Yeah, just act. I mean, I didn't know exactly if acting was gonna be the thing I was gonna do, but at that moment I was like, I wanna give it a shot and see if I can become an actor and make it and support myself. Not that anything is wrong with being a bar back. Just I wanted more.

[A]

Yeah. In fact, there's a lot that's right with being a bar back. I almost even think you might get to our station in life and go, oh, right. No, it was never better than me. It was simpler. I didn't have all these status concerns.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

And that was pretty groovy.

[C]

Like when your parents tell you these are the best years of your life. Yeah, exactly. Enjoy them.

[A]

Yeah. You don't listen.

[B]

You can't listen.

[A]

Yeah. How was Loyola?

[C]

Yeah, it was cool. I went to Santa Monica after that. Santa Monica City College.

[A]

Me too, guys. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I couldn't get into a four year. So that's why I went to Santa Monica.

[A]

Not as pretty of a campus.

[C]

Not as pretty, not as good as Santa Barbara. This place isn't as cool. And then I actually applied a couple times. I might have been rejected twice. I can't remember. I know I was rejected once to get into that school. And so then I had to wait another semester or another year, whatever it was, and then apply again, try to get in. And then I finally got in. I just really finished there. It was funny, by the time I had gone to Loyola Marymount, I had worked all over the world because I had been in City College, I don't know, four years. A couple in Santa Barbara, a couple in Santa Monica. I had gotten acting jobs and I had been to Iceland. I had been to Europe and London and making movies. I'd been all during Leola. I would get a job and ask my job. I was valet parking cars at the time.

[A]

Chase Crawford, he also validated.

[B]

He was a valet.

[A]

So jealous.

[B]

Jeffrey, job.

[C]

I always wanted what was great because it was like outdoor, you know, and you're like moving and you're in a sun sprinting. Yeah.

[B]

He crashed a car. Did you crash any cars?

[C]

I didn't crash any cars.

[A]

Maybe Nick, but nothing you had to report.

[C]

And so I would ask my job if I Could leave if they were cool with it. And then I'd have to ask the school if I could bob and weave and figure out how you could get my work done, but also go do this movie, which was like, an opportunity. So by the time I got to Loyola, I was more, what am I doing here? Like, all these kids are freshmen in a dorm.

[A]

You feel old.

[C]

I was like, I'm old and. And working people are asking me to check in for class. And I go, I'm paying to be here. I don't need you asking me. I've got a real job. So I was kind of like, this is weird, but I got through it.

[A]

I similarly, it took me like three or four years as well, to go through the city college, get my associates, transfer to ucla. And yeah, when I got to ucla, I was only like three years older than everyone or four. But I was like, super into the Groundlings. That was kind of my real life. And I remember, yeah, feeling very old on that campus. I also smoked, and nobody smoked, and I'm like an old piece of shit at this place.

[B]

Yeah, I remember feeling, like, haggard.

[A]

I felt like a dirt bag.

[C]

Yeah, you were looking at the sorority parties as I go around, like, where's everyone going?

[A]

Everyone's going. You guys went to a football game. I mean, I just wasn't having that total college experience.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I think similar in 06, you did flags of Our Fathers, which would have been. During that period, did you go to Detroit for a Gran Torino? Did you shoot there?

[C]

I did.

[A]

How was your experience? It was Hawaii.

[C]

It was fine. It was fine. It was good. We stayed in a really extra. Actually, you know, because Detroit.

[A]

But it's like, really nice part, Birmingham

[C]

year, and then a really bad part. So they kind of ride, like a fine line.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were shooting in the exciting area, the exciting isis.

[C]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

Walk me through again. I know at that time you're like 20 something years old, but initially you were going by Scott Reeves. You're like, I'm not.

[C]

Not doing the dad thing.

[A]

I'm not gonna do it.

[C]

I don't know what I was thinking. Now I look back at it going, I don't care. Gone by my name. It's fine. Eastwood, whatever. But I think I wanted to understand if I could make this work and do it on my own and, you know, you want to prove something to yourself, probably, of course, bother probably people in town. And then you start working and then you realize it's more about doing the work and living in a Hotel room across the globe and all this stuff doesn't really matter. At the end of the day it's like you've got to do the work.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think it was motivated out of your fear of the public's perception of you being a nepotistic? Sure, baby. Or was it more motivated out of dad? Like, I'm going to show dad, I'm going to do this without any help.

[C]

Maybe a little bit of both.

[A]

Maybe a mix.

[C]

Yeah, but definitely, probably like I'm me, I'm going to try to go do me.

[B]

Yeah, you're your own person. Eastwood's also. It's not. Not Smith. It's just so clear immediately, you know.

[C]

It's definitely not Smith.

[A]

I've never had a friend with the last name Eastwood. Have you?

[B]

No, until now.

[A]

Yeah, until starting today. But I've heard you say that you're like ultimately quite happy it went this way. But your dad was a hard ass, right?

[C]

It was tough on his sons. Oh, sucker for his daughters.

[B]

That's cute.

[A]

Would you resent your sisters at all? Like, God, why? They, they, they got it made.

[C]

I think now I'm like, what did you put me through? And look at that. What's going on here? Balance of fairness is not mathing. Yeah, but no, I love them all.

[A]

You're fine with it.

[C]

It's all for the best.

[A]

You do three movies in a row with your dad. That's also complicated, I would imagine.

[C]

Well, I don't think it was probably in a row. Definitely not. You know, you start working in little things. There was probably a lot of credits that weren't because they're student movies and stuff. They never saw the light of day. But you start working, you start taking acting classes, you do improv classes like the Groundlings, you start auditioning like a madman. I remember there were times there were like two or three auditions in a day. This is way before the phone and the self tape. You had to drive around the city. Still at the Thomas Guide?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, I spent like 50 hours a week driving to commercial auditions and I just never got one for like six years. And I'm like, my goodness, the hourly rate. When I finally booked the buyout for two grand, I'm like, I'm making one cent an hour.

[C]

It's terrible.

[A]

I had this up.

[C]

Terrible.

[B]

There's so much PTSD driving around la. Cause you're like, oh, that's where I auditioned for that. They're always popping up.

[C]

And like you said, I mean at a certain point you're like, okay, I'm gonna give this till 30, but if at 30, this ain't working, I gotta find a new gig.

[A]

Yeah. Did you feel like you fit into the actor world in la? Did you feel like an outsider or did you feel immediately embraced?

[C]

Never felt like I fit. It still don't even feel right. Love the act of storytelling, whether it's acting or being a part of the creative process. Love it. Intellectualizing about it. Having long talks about acting. Not really for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That doesn't mean, like, you don't have to put in the reps in the gym.

[B]

No.

[A]

You got to figure out what works for you, I think. But that doesn't mean. That's interesting for you to hear about how I figure out how to be believable.

[C]

Yeah. My dad was never one to intellectualize about it. He's like, just go tell the truth, man. Figure it out. Come prepared, do the job right. There's other things outside of the industry that are interesting.

[A]

Yeah. He's unique in that. He didn't live in la.

[C]

Well, he did when he was quite young, but then he moved out 60

[A]

years ago as soon as he could.

[C]

And I did the same. Yeah.

[A]

You live in San Diego?

[C]

I live in Texas. Austin, Texas. But I lived in San Diego for many years. I pretty much left after college. I didn't live here very long. I was like, the city is just too much for me.

[A]

And do you think you paid any price for that as far as, like, working? I mean, clearly not. You've worked consistently.

[C]

I've debated this with people. I've talked about this at nauseam. I'm sure not being in the same rooms with creatives and being here, or

[A]

I'd have weird dinner and talk to this person.

[B]

Spreadsheet.

[C]

You'd be great for this thing. You should look at. I'm sure there is, but the saying goes, if it costs you your piece, it's too expensive. And this place was costing me my piece. Okay. Fury. Incredible experience.

[A]

Yeah. I want to hear about it. Oh, I made a movie with Pena, so I got to hear his whole version of that. And then interviewed John Brenthal and heard his take on Shia during that, which was really fun. We didn't talk to Pitt about Fury, but what a fascinating life experience. Yeah. Who's the director? Sure.

[C]

David Ayer.

[A]

Did he want you guys to box?

[C]

He did. We did that quite a bunch. I think in the early days before we started filming. We wanted people to bond. He also wanted people to maybe feel the jungle monkey politics.

[A]

Uh huh. Uh, huh. Having to box your co stars should be highly memorable.

[C]

Yeah, no, no, we did. We did rounds. So everyone would box everyone. And look, it was called boxing, but it was no punching in the face, right?

[A]

Oh, okay.

[C]

It wasn't really sparring. It was touchy.

[A]

Just wanted the boys to get intimate.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

And how did you do with Shia? Because John was like. At first, he's like, oh, God, this guy with the method. And I can't remember if he says, like, midway through, he's like, this guy's great. There's just no way around it.

[B]

Like, the results are there.

[C]

Look, Shia is clearly tormented and has maybe got some stuff going on.

[A]

Certainly addiction.

[C]

Yeah. And it was tough. There was sort of an incident that happened. I've talked about it. Brad Pitt sort of broke up a little. A tense moment.

[A]

I didn't even know about that.

[C]

Well, he was very method. From what I recall, he pulled out of one of his teeth. I think I heard that before we even started shooting. And I remember being in the makeup. No, no, sorry. That was a different thing. He pulled out his tooth, but then he cut himself. And I remember thinking, okay, this guy's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm just gonna keep clear from this guy, I don't play this game. You go and do that. But there's plenty of ways to do a performance in a movie and be professional also. Right. But one day he was having an episode and thought that I shouldn't be spitting tobacco on the tank.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Which was in the script.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Dipper Dip.

[C]

Yeah. It wasn't real. And then finally I just said, enough's enough. I said, hey, fudge. You said, stop pulling your shit. I said, I'm going to whoop your ass. And then, you know, he got, you know, he popped doggy. And then everyone broke it up and, oh, wow.

[A]

David Ayer must have been like, the flowers are blooming. And I planted the seeds.

[B]

Keep it rolling. Get those cameras.

[C]

He wanted a lot of tension. He likes that.

[A]

I could never do it, but I am fascinated with the idea of being the director who's like Svengali. All these weird onset dynamics.

[B]

You would get in a fight with Shia.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Or love them. One or the other.

[B]

Maybe both. But if he was talking.

[A]

Oh, no. I don't have a lot of tolerance for. Yeah. I can just say it like, whatever. Your process is.

[C]

Great.

[A]

Handle that before you hear action. Handle that before we get called to set. I don't need to be in a 50 minute blocking rehearsal because your character won't hold that Pan. I've been in that situation. When you figure out whether your character can hold that pan, come get me.

[C]

Everybody's contributing, everyone's doing a thing, but you can't stop the train. Right. It's a moving train. And grow the fuck up. You know, it's like just the director wants you to do something. If it's something crazy, okay, then, hey, maybe that's too far. But be a collaborative. You can do whatever performance you want to do. Holding the pan or not holding the pan.

[A]

Exactly how far into production was that little dust up?

[C]

Oh, it's probably midway. Everyone had moments with Shia that were, I think at one point gonna come to blows. Or not.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

It's funny, the film industry, it attracts psychopaths because it's. It's art, right. It's art and business and they kind of intersect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A lot of delusion and self grandeur

[A]

and you have a desire to be observed.

[C]

Yeah. So narcissism.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I like low grade narcissism. Up to maximum narcissism.

[C]

Or just mentally ill, too.

[B]

Too.

[C]

Yeah. A lot of mental illness.

[A]

True, there is. And in fact, there's a handful of kind of legendary actors or it's like, yet the performances are so good. They're so emotionally available and they're unhinged. I'm not shocked. Like, I can't do what certain actors can do. I've never even gotten there in real life, much less on command.

[C]

Exactly. And that's why they're so fascinating to watch.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that's why some of the forgiveness for behavior, which I don't excuse. Because when bad behavior is bad behavior, it's like, this is a place of work. The crew gotta go home. Everyone wants to be happy. People deserve to be respected. Doesn't matter if you're picking up a piece of trash or if you're saying the lines or if you're holding the camera. Everybody has the same respect, decency. So it's like when you start infringing on that as a place of work, that's when it gets tough for me. Cause I'm like, beat it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You know, no one's got tolerance for that. But at the same time, when you see that performance in your life, like, holy. That's magnetic. That's really interesting to watch.

[B]

Yeah, it is. It's a tricky.

[A]

It is a hard. Yeah, you can't really say hard and fast. It really comes down to, like, how good is the person. I don't know. Sean Penn apparently is not a walk in the park.

[C]

Yeah. Like, I've all met him personally, and so I've always had a nice thing with him personally, but I've never worked with him. I know he's probably quite intelligent.

[A]

I just happened to read this thing about the moment he got his Oscar, and he said, look, I know I've made it really hard for you guys to like me. Was his own self. Awareness. Awareness for him to do what he does, which I can't do. It's uncomfortable for him. And when people are uncomfortable, they don't act their best.

[C]

Yeah, a lot of insecurity, too, right? Comes with acting sometimes. Because people, they're so tormented, and then they're so insecure about their performance or what they're doing. Then. Then they overcompensate with this confidence or fake bravado. And then it. It's an ugly sort of cycle because you're like. Like, hey, man, just be nice and cool.

[B]

Right?

[C]

Just be cool. Let's just all just be nice and.

[A]

Yeah, it's a scary job. You could embarrass yourself every time they say action. And that could be on a huge screen that everyone could watch. Let's all acknowledge. Yeah, it's a very vulnerable, embarrassing endeavor. How will we navigate it?

[B]

Y.

[A]

Were you in love with Brad Pit like I am?

[C]

Oh, yeah. He's the best consummate pro. You're watching performances. You're lost watching them while it's happening. You're like, oh, I have a line coming up.

[A]

Yeah, I'm just watching. Fucking so good.

[C]

You can't. It's unbelievable. And then he's the nicest guy on top of it and just a total pro. Brad's great.

[A]

Can I ask about your girlfriend? Sure. How long were you guys together?

[C]

Well, are you talking about my girlfriend passed away?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

We were together for three or four years.

[A]

This is one of the craziest ways I've ever heard someone's died. Yeah. Is her airbag went off and it was defective.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I had a recall on the airbag and what would have been a fender bender. Probably most people would survive. Yeah. She was essentially shot by the airbag.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's horrifying and so sad.

[A]

How are you juggling what I would imagine like, for me if I were you at 28?

[C]

That sounds about right.

[A]

You just finished Fury.

[C]

I was on another film set at the time. And as you know, being on a film set, when someone passes or something happens, it's really tough. And this had happened before, actually. I had lost Paul Walker On Fury, and he was one of my. Oh, you guys were close friends. When you're on a film set, you don't have time to grieve because the show must go on.

[A]

You might be shooting the happiest scene your character has an hour after you hear this.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah.

[C]

So you can't fly home. You stuck. You gotta work. I got the call, actually, during a filming day, and I think I did a classic defense mechanism. Just punt that to later.

[A]

Compartmentalized.

[C]

Compartmentalized that to later.

[A]

Yeah, that's gonna be miserable. And we're gonna deal with that at some point. That's not today. Yeah.

[C]

Brutal. Having to deal with that and then not being able to go through that. I grieve later, and that's not a great thing. Cause I think you do wanna grieve with the people that. That are around that you didn't know that were part of their lives as well. Yeah, that's like an important part of the grieving process.

[A]

I agree. It's kind of the sweetest, nicest part. And then you go to the funeral and you think, that's gonna be miserable. It's like, no, you see, all these people are dealing with the same thing. It can be weirdly beautiful if you get to do that part.

[C]

Yeah, I never got to do it. I think I compartmentalized it so much, I couldn't go to the. I don't actually remember if I couldn't because of filming or if I just completely blacked it out, but. But I had to process that grief later. That was tough.

[A]

If I were you and I was in that situation, there'd be some interesting balance between having just done Fury. I'm on a set, things are finally going great, and I would have been like, oh, right, yeah. I don't get to have anything great like, the shoe's gonna drop, and here it is. Do you have the kind of shoes gonna always drop mentality?

[C]

No, not anymore. Maybe with my parents a little bit, because they're older. And that does scare me. Being on a film set and having to deal with that, that, you know, I don't think people talk enough. Like, you know. You know, you could be in a hotel room across the globe. Gets a lonely endeavor. Right. It's not always people see on the thing and they go, well, that's amazing. Oh, my gosh. But it's months sometimes of living out of a hotel room, and it's like that. And then you combine what happens in real life because people die and pass and you miss things. It's tough.

[A]

Yeah. The thing that started getting to me about it was I felt like, well, a. It was so fun for a while. I just loved going out of town. I love the bubble. I love the anonymity. I love that I don't have to deal with any of my problems for two months. Like, that's all the upside. That's very attractive. But I kept feeling like, oh, I'm just hitting pause on my life all the time. It's like I'm taking these two and three month pauses where my real life can't really grow and exist and have roots and propel forward because I've hit pause. Pause.

[C]

Yeah. You're missing people's birthdays, weddings. You're missing kids graduation from high school. You're missing all the things of life. So there is a toll you pay for doing that and having this. Call it fantasy pause thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But you do pay for it.

[A]

Yeah. It's a very punctuated existence.

[C]

And then there's like the slowdown too, which I find can be if you're not careful and you don't stay. For me, I gotta stay busy. I gotta stay active. I gotta stay moving and doing things. The heightness of being on set and everything's happening, go, go, go, go, go.

[A]

Apparently, like, you're pretending right now you're getting ambushed by Nazis during the day. It's pretty heightened.

[C]

Pretty heightened?

[A]

Yeah. In this movie.

[C]

Oh, in this movie, yeah.

[A]

Did you at all wrestle? Another thing that would have happened to me is if you took my girlfriend from me at three years, I might have idealized that and made that something that really kind of no one could compete with was taken. And I don't know where it was gonna go. So I just think in the absence or when something's taken from you like that, did that mess with you at all?

[C]

Yeah. I mean, losing somebody when you're that intimate with them and you think they're just an incredible person and you admire them and you share time with that person. It's. It's always tough. I have lost a lot of people in my life. I lost a pretty good friend in my late, late teens. I've just lost a lot of people. Maybe I've become better at accepting life and death because I've gone through it a few times.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know if I answered that question.

[A]

You did. I just think when relationships don't run their natural course, that's confusing.

[C]

It's confusing. I probably put a wall up there

[A]

or they end not because of a reason. You Would have picked, but they had to end. They can become just a little abstract in your mind.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And will anyone ever unfinish business?

[A]

Yeah. Unfinished business. Maybe a little dil delusion about it. I think as well.

[C]

The mind's got like a very powerful way of remembering all the nice parts.

[B]

All the nice parts.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You're kind of forgetting. If I died, my wife will forget. I clear my throat every nine minutes in a year. She'll forget I did that.

[C]

And she wants to kill you right now.

[A]

She hasn't yet, but. Yeah.

[B]

Or no. Really what happens is she'll remember it and just be like, I miss it. I mean, that's what. That's what will happen.

[A]

Yeah. She convinced herself she liked the throat clearing.

[B]

Sometimes I do that when I'm around my parents and they're driving me nuts. I do say like, I'm gonna miss this one day.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like good to remind yourself in those moments.

[C]

I don't know how you feel about ghosts or if you believe in them at all. I probably for years was like, that's not a thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But I got to go to a healer in Bali and have an experience only summarized by. It was an out of body experience with the people I have lost.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

And I would recommend her to anyone and everyone that is planning on going there. You have to book her out because she's very in demand. But it is an incredible out of body experience. So I feel like I've gotten to see some of the people from my past.

[A]

Is the experience a joyful experience or is it more of a peace of mind experience? Like, oh good, they're still floating around. Like, what is the takeaway?

[C]

I think both of those things. It's highly emotional. It's most clear headed. But also the most lucid you've ever been.

[A]

It's hard to shrooms and coke at the same time.

[C]

Zero. Nothing.

[A]

No, no.

[C]

I mean, yeah, I know.

[A]

Comparing these experiences.

[C]

More powerful than any drug.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

And there's no drugs involved.

[A]

Zero drugs.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

Zero drugs. And I feel always a woo woo like telling people about it. But I'm like, people have to understand. People have to get to experience this because it's so beautiful. We're gonna get you to go. Have you, have you been to Bali?

[A]

One time with my mom.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I'd like to go as a grown up. Big boy.

[C]

As a grown up.

[B]

Come see your dad if you go.

[C]

Oh, I would love that.

[A]

I really would love that.

[C]

If you want, I'll get.

[B]

That's Amazing, huh?

[C]

It's extremely powerful. Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Now that you said that, I'm intrigued.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I want to apologize.

[B]

You get some peace and close. Are you conversing or. It's like more. I mean, maybe you can't even put it into words, really. Experience it.

[C]

Experience it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

That's incredible.

[A]

That's incredible.

[B]

I'm glad you got that.

[C]

It's a great lesson for people listening, right? That's like, say the thing you want to say. Pick up the phone, tell them you love them. Even if you're in a fight or pissed off, they ain't going to be around forever. And that might be a regret. Yeah.

[A]

The math you don't do is like, oh, I'm gonna be living long after. And I will live with all those decisions.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. This is just a full circle thing that I must acknowledge because I have been telling my daughters for seven years that the song Wildest Dreams is about me. Then we interview Alexander Skarsgard, and I found out. My God, that song's actually about him.

[C]

Really?

[A]

I mean, yeah. That's what that song is about.

[B]

Lore.

[C]

Did they date?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They had a dust up like you and Shia. No, but it wasn't broken up by Brad Pitt.

[B]

Dust up.

[A]

Yeah. Good D. Sexy dust.

[C]

Yeah. She wrote a song about him.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

He's so tall and handsome as hell. I'm surprised. When you did the video, she didn't, like, go, hey, by the way, you're playing Alexander Skarsgard, so if you can be as tall as possible, stand up

[C]

a little bit more.

[B]

He spoke very highly of her. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But anyways. What? Full circle. So I finally met who it was actually about, and now I'm meeting you. Who was in the video?

[C]

Yeah. How do you know it wasn't about me?

[B]

Well, exactly. It seems like you're.

[A]

Because the song predates the video. I could figure that out.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Busted.

[A]

Although she could have been a romance and she wrote a song about you and then she cast you.

[C]

Exactly. She did cast me.

[B]

Are you here to break the news? Is this the moment?

[A]

Is this the fire?

[C]

You want to play with the moment? It's almost the moment, but it's not.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You let us know you recognize the stakes of that.

[C]

Yeah. Well, that's the thing, right? The stakes of even dating Taylor Swift is you could have a song written about you.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And you could have the Swifties love

[C]

or hate you forever until the end of time.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And if you take a red scarf or something, whatever the Line is your enemy number one.

[C]

Don't do that.

[A]

How did you get that?

[C]

She just picked up the phone and called me. She did. She did.

[A]

And did she say to you, oh, I saw you in blank?

[C]

Well, first off, she called. I had no pre warning. You know, a lot of times people are like, hey, somebody wants to call you. And then they call you and you're like, yeah, okay, I'll take that call. She was like, hey, this is Taylor Swift.

[B]

It's like unknown number. What?

[C]

Okay. Wow.

[B]

What a call to prove it was so cool. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[A]

I might need to FaceTime.

[C]

Yeah. I was intrigued because of the creative behind the video mostly too. She wanted to do like an out of Africa type thing, Right. It was like this cinematic film. The music industry, they don't do that anymore. It's not the 90s and we don't have these big sort of videos. There's only a couple artists like Taylor Swift that you can do that or afford to make these sort of things. And then I remember telling my agents, and none of them wanted me to be like, this is a bad idea.

[A]

Do not seem like a vertical step.

[C]

No, they were like, do not do a Taylor Swift music video. And I said, nah, you know, don't agree. Think that she. She's cool and she has a really cool idea for this thing. And I said, I think it's a cool, creative thing. So, yeah, let's do it.

[B]

Good for you. That would have been a regret.

[A]

Did you hang with her on set and stuff?

[C]

I did.

[A]

And did you enjoy her company?

[C]

She's amazing.

[A]

Yeah, she's a monster, man. I'm in awe of her. She's incredible.

[B]

So much.

[A]

How many fasts have you done? Two, Three.

[C]

I've been in two.

[A]

You've been in two? Is there another one coming?

[C]

So they say.

[A]

Wow, that would be fast.

[C]

11, maybe fast 10 part dose.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[C]

Is that 11?

[A]

Wait, you didn't meet Paul on that?

[C]

No, I knew Paul since I was probably like when I was 18.

[A]

17.

[C]

18.

[A]

From surfing.

[C]

Surfing. Jiu jitsu. We were just kind of brothers. He was like a mentor to me. He was like a big brother. He just was like a great mentor to me in the business, in life. We would go surf the Channel Islands together a lot. We would go down to Mexico and surf. And then it was post when he died that I came in and did this thing for fast. So it was very nostalgic.

[B]

Yeah, that's lovely.

[A]

What's that set like?

[C]

Big? Yeah. Lot of personalities.

[A]

Yeah, a lot of personalities. They've been doing it for like, what, 25, 30 years now. It's a very unique property.

[C]

Very unique.

[A]

Vin Diesel, no disrespect, he's an enormous movie star. I mean, probably like the highest paid movies are other than Downey. Yet he's only in those movies.

[C]

Those are his thing.

[A]

He's in like a TV show.

[C]

Episodic TV biggest.

[A]

Yeah. Every episode's a billion dollars.

[B]

How lucky to get a job like that.

[A]

One character for 30 years, you make like $500 million. Oh, my God.

[B]

Knock on wood.

[A]

You know, how do you do with all the alpha energy?

[C]

I'm good with it. I don't try to.

[A]

I just say, lock horns. You stick out of it.

[C]

You guys do whatever you're gonna do. I'll be where you need me when

[A]

you need Little fuse up is over.

[C]

I'll be here on set, hanging out. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.

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[A]

Okay, Lucky Strike. This is your second movie with this guy, Rod Laurie.

[C]

Yeah, Rod Laurie.

[A]

Tell me about him. Why is he making only warm movies?

[C]

You know, Rod started out in the 80s or 90s as a filmmaker. I don't know if you remember movies like the Contender, Nothing but the Truth. But these were movies at the time, in the 90s. He really likes boxing, politics, and war. Those are, I think, like the three things. Maybe football. Right? So you'd tell what, you know, at the time, he would put up for, like, one of these movies, were going to win an Oscar. Steven Spielberg was like, this is the guy. And, you know, he made some great movies. And. And then like any director, you know, you get cold in the business.

[A]

You go to jail for a minute.

[C]

You go to director jail.

[B]

Thank you for clarifying that. Like, he went to jail.

[A]

That's.

[C]

Yeah, he went to jail.

[B]

Director jail is a little different.

[A]

I wonder if we had any overlap when I was in there for the chips. Chips, jail.

[C]

You know, he stayed a great writer and he's come back kind of as a director. And I worked with him on the Outpost, which is a good film. And it was a big bummer because that film came out out in 2020. Yeah, in March 2020.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Oops. Yeah. And I remember, actually I was in Australia and I flew home because our movie got into south by Southwest and was premiering opening night.

[A]

Yeah, baby.

[C]

And it was a good movie. It was a good movie. True story. Two medal of honor winners.

[A]

That in Afghanistan.

[C]

Yep, Afghanistan. And. And we got so screwed. I remember getting all the ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding as you get off the plane. And it was like, the festival's canceled. And I was like, what do you mean the festival's canceled? That's insane. Why? They're like, what do you mean? Have you been living under a rock? And I'm like, what do you mean? And they're like, yeah, there's this thing called Covid.

[A]

They shut it down.

[C]

They shut it down.

[A]

And it became a sleeper hit on vod.

[C]

It did. I really liked working with Rod. And actually, it was a funny story because I had done a few war movies. When he offered this movie, Lucky Strike to me, he started with, it's a World War II. I said, Ah, ah, ah. Let me stop you right there. I've done my tours. Yeah, yeah, okay. I've done the Pacific. I did tank movie in Europe. I've done Afghanistan. Now I said, I'm done. I'm done for a while. I gotta take a break. I'm not gonna do any more war movies from it. And then he said, I think you should read it. And I said, no, no, I'm good. Thank you. I said, I wish you the best. Valle con Dios, please. Find the next guy who can do this. He'll do it.

[B]

I will.

[C]

And then about three weeks go by, and my agent calls me and says, hey, man, I think you should really read this Lucky Strike. It's really good. I said, really? I got to read this? Okay. I said, I'm going to read it, and then I'm going to like it. And then I'm.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

And I read it, and it's great.

[A]

Then you shipped off to. Where'd you guys shoot that?

[C]

We shot that in Bulgaria.

[A]

Bulgaria?

[C]

Bulgaria.

[A]

Appropriate because it's about the Battle of the Bulge, and we almost have Bulgaria in there. You like that?

[B]

I did, yeah.

[A]

Thank you. I made all that work.

[C]

Alliteration with B and G. Yeah.

[A]

So it's set in World War II, December 1944. The war's coming to a close. Ish.

[C]

Coming to a close. Ish. I mean, everyone was, I think, kind of like this was the last push. We got the Nazis on the ropes. We need to make one last push. It was going into winter, which typically, I don't think even Ukraine and Russia are fighting, and those guys don't winter.

[A]

Yeah, they don't even know it's winter.

[C]

They don't even fight during winter. It was last push. We gotta keep going forward. It was just pre Battle of the Bulge. It's a story about a whole group of guys that got wiped out. And there was one sole survivor that got trapped behind enemy lines for three or four days. And I don't want to give away too much.

[A]

It's a true story, right?

[C]

It is. Our producer, Mark Friedman, who's a lovely French guy who was living in France. He's older, gentleman, but he was living there Post World War II, and he interviewed a bunch of guys. He was a writer, and he took down this account, this incredible account of a soldier's experience behind enemy lines. On the French Belgian border. I don't want to say too much.

[A]

Well, I think what's relevant is, yeah, your unit gets ambushed and killed. And you have a radio. You have this. It's a Motorola. It's brand new. Right.

[C]

It's true. It was brand new technology for the time.

[A]

And you call in and they go, great. We're also under heavy fire. Your extraction point, or where you should meet up with us is 30 kilometers away, which is 18 miles, and it's in the mountains in snow. Yeah. Fucking World War II, dude. Like, even your clothes suck.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I watched it last night, and I'm like, not good enough clothes to be fighting in the winter.

[C]

No.

[A]

You know, like, we have Vortex now. We have all these. Waterproof. You're just in, like, fucking cops. Cotton. Cotton.

[C]

Just. Everything's wet, cold and wet.

[A]

You got half gloves on, but those are useless. Was it freezing where you were actually shooting? It was.

[C]

I had made a promise, by the way, to go back to why I told Rod, no, I'm not doing this movie. I made a promise I was not doing another movie in Bulgaria, especially winter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, God. You broke all your promises.

[C]

I broke all. Yeah.

[A]

I don't even to want to do a summer movie.

[B]

I think I'm probably good. Yeah.

[C]

It was going straight to deployment daily to the mountains, shooting, and it just was. Endure the suck, as they say.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're crawling up mountains on your hands and knees. You're flying off shit. You're getting more and more injured throughout the whole thing. More crawling, more cold.

[C]

I did find silver lining. And you always do. Anytime you're telling stories where people died and sacrificed themselves for our country, it comes with, like, a heavier weight. And I also find that they might not be making World War II movies in 20 years from now. We actually don't even have half the equipment anymore to make them with. Everything is either broken, you can't find it. It's harder and harder to make these movies. So, you know, I'm like, okay, this might be the last time I ever do a World War II movie. Let's pay it some respect.

[A]

Let's honor that.

[C]

Yeah, let's honor that.

[A]

I was thinking that a lot during that. I'm like, okay, 1944, 18 years away from being 100 years. And for me, World War II was very alive because both my grandpa. My grandpa, my mom's side was in the Battle of the Bulge. He ran transmission wire. My other grandpa was in the Pacific. So it was like, World War II is a thing, dude. My Grandparents were in it. They told me stories. I saw pictures. But certainly. Yeah, no one now. Now it's going to be a war. Like, we think of the Revolutionary War. We never met anyone from then.

[C]

What?

[A]

Is that even real? It's just in history books. So. Yeah, I think you're right. I was having that thought. Like, I wonder how many more World War II movies there'll be before people are like, I don't know. That war was a trillion years ago.

[C]

Tough times and hard, hard people. I feel like we've gotten away from that because we have such good times in this country because of what they did.

[A]

Well, I loved it. I watched it, and I. Like a war movie, man. I spend the entire time going, like, could I do what I do it. You're just evaluating the whole time, like, yeah, what I keep going. Looks hard. It's kind of unimaginable.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You've got a pretty. Pretty sweet sprinter van.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

You don't have that?

[C]

No, I had a Airstream.

[A]

Oh, you had an Airstream.

[C]

Airstream in the same trailer park that Matthew McConaughey in Malibu. No. Oh, in Texas.

[A]

Oh, in Texas.

[C]

In Austin, Texas. On Barton Springs.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Not directly across from Black, but close.

[C]

Close to Terry Blacks. Yes.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. I know it well, and I've eyed it like a dozen times to see if. I'm trying to figure out if I could pull my tour bus in there, if it's big enough for that. Were there any 45 footers in?

[C]

Mine was 33ft. I know there was bigger tour buses in there.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

The hard part is getting a spot. And now they do have nightly spots. They do reserve that you can get in there.

[A]

That's what I was looking at doing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What is it, Monica? Nothing.

[B]

Obsessed with Barton springs and Matthew McConaughey

[A]

and RV life seems like a problem.

[B]

All the things you just said was

[A]

like, I live at Barton Springs when I'm there. Do you love it?

[C]

I do love it. It's a little busy for me. Where I was would just go up to a buddy's house on the lake. They call it the river.

[A]

Yeah, Lake Austin.

[C]

Lake Austin. It's actually the Colorado River.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

So I would just go do that in the same water.

[A]

Yeah, more or less, but, yeah, it's a spring. It's always 69 degrees.

[C]

It's true.

[A]

There's a lot more to look at there than there is.

[C]

It is actually. It is beautiful. I would try to go earlier or late just because it's so Packed sometimes.

[A]

Bernie, man.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

I saw some photos of Burning Man.

[C]

Done that a few times.

[A]

Yeah? How's that? I have great interest in going. Did you do it the, like, fancy way? That's what I would want to do.

[C]

I've done it both. The first time I did it was the very fancy private plane to another private plane landing on the desert with a car. Right to your thing. Very cool.

[A]

How do I get that experience? Hook me up with whoever you call done.

[C]

You're in.

[A]

Is that Taylor Swift? Does she have to call me?

[C]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if Taylor Swift's been.

[B]

I'm going to guess no.

[A]

And then you've done the tent version.

[C]

Not the tent, but we did the drive in, like, hey, we're going to do the whole thing. A whole week. Which might have been a little ambitious. Might have been a little much. Burning Man. Yeah.

[A]

What's the right dosage of Burning Man? Like, three days, I think.

[C]

Three days, but I think it's two nights. You leave end of third night, day.

[A]

Perfect. Okay. Good tip. Good tip.

[C]

The real burners would, like, shoot me for saying that.

[A]

Yo, I know there's a lot shoot away and then jiu jitsu. How long you been doing jiu jitsu, man?

[C]

Since I was in my early 20s. 22, 23.

[A]

Are you a black belt?

[C]

I haven't got my black belt yet.

[A]

You haven't your black. Okay. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

It's a long time. Yeah. They're kind of asking. I've sort of dodged and weave. It's funny. It's like the longer you do it, you realize the more you don't know. And it's just like anything you're like, you still feel like a beginner no matter what level you're at, because there's very different levels of black belts. And you're like, oh, man, that's just like a permission to still learn. And the guy I trained under for last 20 years, Nelson Monteiro, he's a coral belt and he's 60 years old and he's ripped and. And he will you up. And his name and his legacy, he wants only the best.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

All these guys, any of the guys, the Machado brothers, any of these guys, it's the same thing. It's like they're not gonna give you something you haven't earned. Yeah.

[A]

If you're representing the Gracie family, you better be fucking good.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is this how you broke your ankle before Outpost?

[C]

No. No, I didn't.

[A]

The drinking accident. I think that might have been a drinking accident.

[B]

Those are the best kind.

[C]

I know what he's talking about. Oh, no.

[B]

Was it like a bird scooter?

[C]

Is that what the. I'm gonna let you get hammered and

[A]

drive scooters around and then they wake up when they need an mcl.

[B]

It happened to a friend. She was drunk on a bird scooter. And. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So he's like, oh, I've never been on a scooter. Let's go for the first. Let's go 30 miles an hour for the first time, hanging hammered. It's a very common decision.

[C]

Smart decision.

[A]

Yeah. How'd you break your ankle?

[C]

How did I break my ankle?

[B]

This is a big. This is the most secretive. You've been this whole interview.

[A]

This is our scoop.

[C]

How he broke his ankle a long time ago. Here's the thing about divulging too much about that.

[A]

His dad broke his ankle.

[C]

There we go. There it is. That little incident shut down the movie for a while, but we got it back on track and we made the movie. That's what matters most.

[A]

What matters is by the end of the movie, you were able to run on it for a few scenes.

[C]

For a few scenes. It kind of screwed up the director's

[A]

fall off a staircase.

[B]

Are there legal ramifications for telling us? There just might be.

[C]

You are saying a lot. I'm not saying any of these things.

[A]

How abstract. We've interviewed a lot of people that are gorgeous and it varies. I'm being serious. Many of them are convinced they're not good looking. Sincerely, Famously. He told it on here. But like Bradley Cooper, when he got nominated for sexiest or not nominated, when he won, Sexiest Man Alive won. He won. He won it. Fought and won. He really thought that there was, like, a bit afoot. Like, they're fudgeing with me. Oh, and my Cooper. How many girls need to want to fudge you before you?

[B]

I know. It's true.

[A]

Recognize that? That was like, warrants it. Yeah. What is your relationship with this being handsome?

[C]

When people say it, I think I

[A]

get them, like, uncomfortable.

[C]

Yeah. It's called me handsome.

[A]

Like. Well, thank you.

[C]

That's nice. But I also don't take compliments well.

[A]

I noticed that. Yeah.

[C]

My dad and I both don't take compliments well. Well, we're like, okay, great, but we gotta go to work. So thanks for all that. We're gonna go make a movie.

[B]

You're allergic to indulgence.

[C]

Yeah, we don't do that.

[A]

But there's a few different motivations. For that. Like, one is, I don't feel worthy of that compliment. I don't connect with that compliment. Right. Sure there is. Like, it doesn't do anything for you. I don't feel better because you said this.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's kind of pointless, I guess,

[C]

because you can't control how you look, but you can control how you affect people, what you put out there in the universe, whether you do good, whether you create art. So that sort of stuff. I think if someone said, hey, I watched your movie, it really affected me. I lost a father. Or I. I connected with this. I felt.

[A]

You felt less alone. Yeah, whatever.

[C]

Or made me laugh. Shit, who cares?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's more interesting to me. And I said, oh, my God, I'm so glad that affected you. I'm so glad. So glad we could do something that made your life better. That's more interesting of a compliment to me than, hey, you're so. You know.

[B]

Because you're like, I didn't earn it.

[A]

That's why I wanted to ask, because I think it's complicated because everyone in the world would love to be beautiful, right?

[C]

But you know. You know, being famous, you're like a zoo animal after a while. You're like, why is everybody looking at me? Oh, I forgot. I'm a famous person. You're like, yeah, Feels aw. You know, you're like, yeah, question. Might just relax when you're in public because you're like, oh, what if I say something and they're listening? You know, there's a lot of complicated. I always tell people, they're like, you know, everyone wants to be famous. When you don't want to be famous, you want to be rich. Sure, sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Who doesn't want to be rich, you know, and not have to worry about where you're at your next sandwich from.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

But being famous, that's not really.

[A]

That's the famous Bill Murray quote. If you're thinking about becoming rich and famous, I recommend the rich part. Yeah. You'd also already been disillusioned. Let's be honest.

[C]

Honest 100%. Yeah.

[A]

You'd already watched in your home the impact of that.

[C]

Yeah. Saw the bullshit. My dad could never sit down for dinner and have a meal without a hundred people coming up to him. He's very gracious, but at the same time, it does wear on you at some point because you're like, hey, I'm having a meal with my family. There's a price you pay. Like, you said, you saw the bullshit on the other side of it.

[A]

Also, you know, you kind of look like it hit me a few times in the movie last night, and then it hit me. It's hitting me here on the couch.

[B]

On three.

[A]

Oh, that would be fun. Will you count to three? But. Three, two, one. Then we say it.

[B]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[C]

Three, two, one.

[A]

Anthony Star.

[C]

Oh, wait, we didn't even get yours.

[B]

Mine was Taryn Edgerton. I think you look a lot like him.

[A]

Okay. Both are very attractive.

[B]

Who you say?

[A]

I said Anthony Star. Tony Star. From the Boys. Homelander. Have you ever gotten home? Homelander?

[C]

No.

[A]

Do you watch the Boys?

[C]

I do watch the Boys. I watched it, yeah.

[A]

Great, right?

[B]

So you don't get either of these.

[A]

He's a beast.

[C]

He's a beast.

[A]

He's a talented motherfucker.

[C]

He's a bad one.

[A]

He's Homelander, the big Superman character. The big bad guy.

[C]

Big bad one.

[A]

Well, Scott, this has been a blast. I love Lucky Strike. If you love horror movies, you're going to love this. It comes out June 26th nationwide. And I guess. Did you travel here for this? Are you on a tour?

[C]

I'm doing a bunch of stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I've got to leave the east coast to go do press and make my rounds.

[A]

Okay, well, it was a delight to me. Thanks for coming. This has been great. Good luck with the movie and we'll see you again when you do. Fast fast 11.

[C]

I brought you guys some stuff.

[A]

What? You don't. You don't strike me as the kind of guy that would bring something.

[C]

No, no, no. We've got this supplement company, so I got you guys both things.

[B]

You guys cool?

[A]

Oh, what does this supplement do for me, obviously?

[C]

Well, it's an all in one north performance.

[A]

Why north performance?

[C]

It's Find your North.

[A]

Oh, okay. Like your North Star. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

So I don't know about you guys, but I take a ton of supplements and my very wealthy buddy got sick of doing it and he was like, let's make it all in one.

[A]

Oh, you got creatine in this bit.

[B]

Oh, I love crayon.

[C]

So you can get everything, you know, you don't forget. You're like, okay, one thing in the morning. The morning. And then you're like, hit your foundation.

[A]

I don't see Tessa Morland in here. Or ipamorelin or SS31 or testosterone. Where are those?

[B]

Those?

[C]

You gotta inject my friend.

[B]

Yeah, he knows he's doing it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Amazing.

[A]

Thanks, brother. Yeah, no problem. Just a quick reminder that as part of our summer break, here's A recipe run of one of our favorite fact checks. Here we are. Welcome home.

[B]

Back in the attic.

[A]

Is there a famous welcome home song?

[B]

Welcome home,

[A]

welcome Home. That's our Cure all song.

[C]

There's that Edward Sharp home song.

[A]

How's that one going?

[B]

Oh, I love that song.

[C]

I don't sing either.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Homeless.

[A]

Where I would. That's my naive melody. My favorite song of all time, Talking Heads.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Which, by the way, this fresh off the press. This is a couple hours old. Driving the kids to school this morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there is a new version of my very favorite song, this Must be the Place by the Talking Heads. It's by. Sure, sure. Can I play you two seconds of it? It's an exciting version of it. I like that version. Right? Yes. I mean, to me, you're really taking. You're like, you're rewriting the Bible for me on this one. You're remaking Godfather. This is a dangerous endeavor, and they passed my test.

[B]

It's very playful.

[A]

Incredibly playful. You should even hear how it takes off. I don't want to bore everyone with the entire song, but boy, does it take off. The playfulness. Exciting.

[C]

Ordered Calvin a banner that says this must be the place yesterday for his bedroom.

[A]

It's like a big camping banner.

[B]

Wabi, what's a camping banner?

[A]

Like your camp.

[B]

A flag.

[C]

It's like a flag.

[B]

Okay. Cute.

[A]

Like you declare, like Camp Rascal. Like, that's the division.

[B]

That is Rob's camp.

[A]

Of course it is. Camp Rascal.

[B]

Do you want to tell people about your pants? Speaking of Rascal, I mean, I think

[A]

you would be way better off describing my pants.

[B]

Okay, so you bought some pants and you've. You've made an alteration yourself.

[A]

I thought these pants were going to be like thin, summer, lineny.

[B]

Linen. Okay.

[A]

And when they came, they were so voluminous around the haunches and then up like mid calf at the end. They were crazy looking. I put these on. I was like, what do we do with these? And I had spent a good deal of money on them.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So they were sitting right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As they do with things I spend a lot of money on. And I can't accept that. I'm never going to wear them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I think on Friday I was like, let's cut a foot or two off these and see where we're at.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I did that. And then I wore them all day Friday. And I just love how they feel. And they're either hideous looking on me or they work. I can't tell.

[B]

No, I actually don't think it's either the. Either or.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Because they're not hideous.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Of course they work. They.

[A]

Well, I mean, yes. They're covering my genitals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But they are intriguing.

[A]

They're one offs. I mean, they're an original.

[B]

They are. Because they hit you at about two lots.

[A]

Let me stand up. Let's get a real. Let's not guess. Okay. So it's about what, four inches below the knee? Five inches. Yeah. But it's definitely two thirds of the way up. The calf and shin, maybe even three quarters of the way up.

[B]

You know what you're doing?

[C]

What?

[B]

You're being Brad. Pitted pit. You're being so out there with your fashion right now. And you even called it. You said, h, I'm going to be wearing.

[A]

I'm going to be wearing skirts here

[B]

in a minute and that it.

[A]

I'm. You're right. I'm inching towards.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I could in fact just have these seams opened up and maybe have them join.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And have my first skirt.

[B]

A.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Cute.

[A]

This might be the first iteration of this garment.

[B]

I think so. It's definitely that billowy material that works for a skirt.

[A]

They're comfortable as all get out. I mean, I'm really comfortable in these.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

I slept in these last night, if you gotta know the full truth. Sure. And then I woke up and I ran out of time. Look, I was in this outfit when I dropped the kids off at school. And when I got out of the car I was like, I'm going for it. Are my kids self conscious about this outfit?

[B]

That's very Brad. Pity. Yeah, it's pity.

[A]

Real pity. And then I ran into my good friend Scott Schaefer, who was an ad on Parenthood, a great ad. And now is head of physical production at hbo. Cool. A. I just love seeing him because we were good friends. And then I get to talk to him about all the inside scoop at hbo, which is fun behind the curtain, but I was wearing this outfit. Well, two things happened. God damn it. Now we're here.

[B]

Yeah. What's wrong? Long.

[A]

Okay, back up. I have the new goal of waking up at 5:50 in the morning so I can write for two hours before I drop the kids off at school. Well, I Woke up at 4:50 and I was kind of like, what am I going to now? Stay up till 4:15? I knew we had a long day, so then I had to wrestle myself back to sleep, which means I didn't wake up till seven, which means I only got to do my journal, not my prose writing and my meditation. Okay. So I pretty much ran out the door. I hadn't even looked in the mirror, and I'm wearing the same outfit I slept in. Run into Scott. I'm like, I look like a bozo. I look like a circus clown. That's just the outfit. Then I get back in the car. I don't normally have sleepies.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, my God. I looked in the rearview mirror as I got like. I was like, hey, I had sleepies. All. Poor Scott was talking to me in this crazy outfit, and I had sleepies. He must have been quite grossed out.

[B]

No, he wasn't.

[A]

He must have thought I was a unhoused.

[B]

No, he thought you. He thought you were sleepy. That's what sleepies mean.

[A]

I got in that car, and I was looking in there, and I. I had a sleepy on my left. And then I was like, oh, my God, I want the right eye too.

[B]

Was it really yellow?

[A]

No, it wasn't like a goober in the middle. It was literally below where, like, the folds of my chubby eyelids would. Would be. It looks like a little crust, but white crust. It wasn't so gross. It's just. That's crust.

[B]

No, it's.

[A]

Oh, my God. People are gonna stop listening. You're gonna have to at some point.

[B]

No, it's fine.

[A]

Between the shitting my pants.

[B]

It's an audio podcast. They can't see your crust, but at some point.

[A]

Are they like, you know what? This guy's disgusting?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, well, that's what happened this morning.

[B]

You're not disgusting.

[A]

A little embarrassed.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry that happened. You weren't gonna tell us that you were.

[A]

I had no intention of telling anyone that. That would have been something that never came up.

[B]

Why? Cause you thought you might just be my quiet.

[A]

Quiet shame? I don't know, but it's out there. It came up. Let's talk about the fact that you're home from your European vacation.

[C]

And massage.

[A]

And people are not gonna.

[B]

And massage.

[A]

They're not gonna be cool with us not asking. An update. Cause our last fact check ended with heavy speculation.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And heavy encouragement. Encouragement.

[C]

You have a new. You have a ring on your finger.

[B]

Yep. I am not engaged.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. A huge development.

[B]

I. I do have a new ring. Thank you for noticing, Rob. It's a beautiful ring.

[A]

Oh, my God. Shout out to Chanel.

[B]

Bought it myself. It was not by my massage therapist.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

But I will give an Update on.

[A]

Please, please, please, please. Can I suggest that you start on, say, Saturday when you've now told Molly, Amy and Kristen that you're seeing him and they've all had massages by him.

[B]

Right. I mean, I get sure they arranged it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because they've had these massages. They believe it was a life changing massage.

[A]

Medicinal. And so now they're starting to get really excited for you. As the appointment closes in, I want to point out that so much hype started building that you went into it, I would imagine with the mindset of, like, this is gonna be terrible. Compared to. I think that's important.

[B]

Yes. It was very hyped up, but it's been hyped up for years. And then, yeah, I'm going in. I'm like, ugh. Okay. Well, really, I think I was looking for it to disappoint.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think a little part of me wanted it to be disappointing. So then. Well, I didn't tell the girls this. I said it on here. Right. That he told me that it was early in his experience when he massaged them, but he has since ratcheted up his performance.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And I didn't tell them that.

[A]

You don't want them to feel like they got a bunk version.

[B]

Yeah. But they did.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Because then we already know that he looked you up on Instagram from the previous.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes, he looked me up on Instagram. And we know that because last episode you made a joke about the oil.

[A]

You bring a lot of oil or not a lot of oil?

[B]

Yes. I'm just wondering how much oil to bring. And then I said, well, he's looked at my Instagram, so I think he knows. Okay, so massage was Sunday, so Saturday. He said, tomorrow's the day.

[A]

Yeah. Foreplay.

[B]

And I was like, oh, yay. You know, I'm so excited. And so he sends me his address.

[A]

It says, is that his home?

[B]

Yeah, it's his home, but it's his studio.

[A]

Sure. I'm not taking anything away from his home.

[C]

It's just.

[A]

It's not a brick and mortar storefront.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah, it's a residence.

[B]

I arrived at a residence. Yes. And I was early. Oh, I text him. I'm early. No rush, though. I'll just be standing outside the door, stinging. So then he opens the door, he says, voila.

[A]

Oh, my God. That's how he greeted you?

[B]

No, actually, I don't remember.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He said something. He had some bed head.

[A]

Oh, interesting. But it looked good on him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. This guy's got A man.

[B]

I was like, he's hot. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, he is hot.

[B]

They were okay. They were, right?

[A]

Yeah. He's objectively hot.

[B]

Yeah. But also, like, in a French way. Like, bed head. Like, then I come in. He picks out my shoes for me. Like, my little sandals.

[A]

Oh, okay. Okay. Because you got to transfer from your street shoes into the.

[B]

He sits me down on the couch. There's all these oils in front of me. And then he's just, like. Wants to chat for, like, little bit.

[C]

Great.

[B]

So then we're chatting. He's asking about my vacation. You know, general. Okay.

[A]

Get to know you stuff.

[B]

Yeah. He asks about Kristen.

[A]

Sure. Updates.

[B]

Yeah. He asked what I do, so we. Whatever. We're chit chatting. And I'm feeling so on edge. A little bit.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Then he makes me pick out my oils.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I pick a body oil and then also a scent oil. Sure.

[A]

Lavender.

[B]

I picked lavender for my body. And then this, like, kind of woodsy one.

[A]

Oh, smoky. Okay. Whiskey. Yeah.

[B]

Woods.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

He doesn't speak great English, which is kind of great. Yeah, yeah. So then he leads me into this other room, the sauna.

[A]

Okay. That's in his home.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's part of his studio.

[A]

No, I know, I know, I know. I'm not being demeaning.

[B]

No, I know you're not. I'm just telling you.

[A]

How big is the sauna? Big.

[B]

It's infrared. I help him learn the word infrared.

[A]

Great.

[B]

We go in there.

[A]

Now both people are getting something out of this experience, which is great.

[B]

He says, 20 minutes in the sauna, and then you'll shower. There's a shower. Oh, my God.

[A]

In front of the cameras.

[B]

And. And I said, okay. Do I wear this? So there's a robe hanging.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I said, do I wear this robe? And he said, no. Like, he, like, really hated the idea of me wearing the robe.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

In the sauna.

[A]

Yes. Yes, of course.

[B]

And so I said, oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he said, nude. Like, he kept saying nude. He doesn't say naked because that's, I guess, an American word. And I said, okay. And then he said, you can wear this. And there's this, like, little kind of paper underwear.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If you want to wear this, you can wear this. And he said, and then you'll put on the robe.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You can wear this underwear if you want. But it's better if you're nude.

[A]

Yes, yes, of course. And does he stay in the room?

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. I. I think he sensed that maybe I was a little. Hmm. About the nudity. Yeah. So he said, you'll be covered with a towel the whole time. And I was like, okay, great. At this point, I'm like, I'm just gonna have to surrender to this experience. Because I will say, when he texted me, tomorrow is the day, I thought, is there a world in which Kristin has told him to have sex with me?

[C]

Oh, right.

[B]

And I really did not like that.

[A]

I need to make sure case.

[B]

Yeah. I have a lot of baggage about being a charity case. And so. And also, it was just like, no. Like, I don't want.

[A]

I'm making the decisions. Yes, yes, yes.

[B]

So I had some fear about that. So I. I went in being like, I need to make it pretty clear I'm not interested in that. Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So anyways, he leaves the room, I get into the sauna, and it's really nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I get in the shower. And then I was confused about the shower because I'm like, do I wash my hair? I thought, you know, was gonna do some hair play, and I don't want my hair to be wet during hair play.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

So then I do get my hair wet, but I don't wash it, and I wash my body. And then I put on the robe

[A]

and I gonna put some makeup on off my perfume. I'm cheating.

[B]

You're in the opposite head space.

[A]

It's so obvious you weren't in that head space, which is why I made that joke.

[B]

Things do take a turn. So then I go in and go in. Oh. He asked me. He's says, do you want the music with lyrics or without?

[A]

Okay, great.

[B]

And I was like, I don't know.

[A]

You don't have a proper.

[B]

Yeah. What do you think? It's my first time in your apartment. Reminding everyone that he has referred to this as an experience many times. He was like, this is an experience. Like, sometimes people cry and feel free to have all the emotions you're going to have. Okay. Okay. So then I pick with lyrics.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

Go in. He tells me to lay down and put the towel on. And I look and like in American massages, you get under a sheet.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

And it's like really covering your whole body. Slide under that sheet.

[A]

Yeah. Like some Brooklyn.

[B]

A beautiful Brooklyn.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. This was not bad. It was a towel.

[A]

Yeah. That you had just dried off or a new towel. Okay.

[B]

But it's. You know, a towel doesn't cover that. It's not like it's flowing off the table. It's just. Just covering my body.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Comes in, turns on the music. It's already. It smells so good. That woodsy oil smells lovely. Yeah. And then he starts, and it was.

[A]

Is it instantaneously connected and hot and lovely? Yeah, it is.

[B]

But he pulls the towel down.

[A]

And does he go down all the way past your butt or right out of the gates?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So you're just. Your whole back is totally exposed.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And I was like, okay, okay, here we go.

[A]

Here we go. Let's go buckle up.

[B]

And he does, like, he massages sort of to the music. It was so, so sensual. I mean, except extremely.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And he massaged everything except my pachydermis.

[A]

Okay, but when he was on your butt cheeks. Dizzy. How close is he getting to your anus?

[B]

My butthole.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I wasn't like, oh, my finger is touching my butthole.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

But all the whole thing.

[A]

Also, the back's. The back.

[B]

The back's gone.

[A]

You can only get so crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now.

[B]

Now it's time to flip.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So he whispers to turn over.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And I do. And there's multiple seconds before the towel comes back down on me.

[A]

Oh, Rob. What's your heart rate at right now? Rob?

[B]

He's just staring.

[A]

Oh, my God. And does he make eye contact with you?

[B]

Well, my eyes are closed.

[A]

Okay. You can just feel that he's staring. It's not like you flipped and he walked to another side of the room.

[B]

No, no, no. He lifted the towel and it slipped

[A]

so you could roll over.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

All the way on your back.

[B]

What I'm used to with the flip,

[A]

they stand on the side, they lift the towel.

[B]

They're on the side. And they're, like, keeping the towel still pretty. I mean, the sheet still very close to the. So you're kind of squirming to get it right. This is not that the towel comes up.

[A]

Right. You flip over out in the open.

[B]

I flip over, and then I'm there for some time before the towel comes back on.

[A]

How long do you think? Five full seconds. 1,000, 2, 1,000, 3, 1,004, 1,500. Wow. What's happening at your titillation meter? Just being bare nude in front of him, knowing he's just enjoying the show.

[B]

Well, at that time, since it was, like, halfway through, you're warmed up. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You were in no hurry for dehinding this.

[B]

I wasn't. It was fascinating.

[A]

That's very erotic.

[C]

It was.

[B]

It was incredibly erotic.

[A]

Just someone deciding they'd like to stare at you nude. Might be more Erotic and exciting and so exposed. Yes. Than even like touching in the middle of kissing.

[B]

This is such a weird thing to say, but I feel like we had sex.

[A]

Right?

[B]

I really do.

[A]

Because of the level of intimacy and exposing yourself and trust.

[B]

It was so intimate.

[C]

Stay tuned for more Armchair expert if you dare.

[B]

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[A]

lifts you up a little, little bit.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So you're arching.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. But your breasts are now being jutted out.

[B]

Everything's out.

[A]

Right. And as he pulls your back up, they're now shooting out. Right. Like you're. Am I understanding this right? Like he's kind of rolling your spine.

[B]

Yes. It was like what you would do during set. It's a sexual move.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

That he did not touch my vagina. I beat very clear about that.

[C]

Great.

[A]

Now tell me about the breast portion. Yeah, he, he, he was rubbing your breasts?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Over the nipples and everything?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Does he do men's massages?

[B]

I don't know if he's ever done a man. I don't know how I need it.

[A]

Did you feel like you might climax during any of this? You were too afraid to go, like, fuck it, let's go for it. Let's. Let's embrace it and actually Try to climax. You weren't willing to go do that? That.

[B]

No.

[A]

Could you have climaxed? I guess that's the question.

[B]

My body was ready for it. Yes. That's all I can. That's all I feel comfortable saying.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

It's very hard to explain. It was like if something actually crossed the line, it would have ruined it.

[A]

Yep, yep. I feel you. I got you. Yeah. You guys were on the perfect line between inappropriate and appropriate. I mean, you're on the other side of appropriate, but not like whatever your bottom line was.

[B]

Exactly. Also, if anyone has the opportunity, I

[A]

would say, take it. Don't miss it. I'm going to send my mom to him.

[B]

Your mom would love it.

[A]

I know. I wonder if he would give her the same treatment he gave you. I mean, probably not. I mean, I'd love to believe he's just, like, a spreader of joy and eroticism and that he would give my mother that same. Yeah, but he wouldn't.

[B]

Well, he would.

[A]

Well, no, he certainly wanted to date you.

[B]

Well, he said after. He said you have a perfect body. And I was glad he said it after.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

And not during.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It was once I had my rope back on. We were out of the room.

[A]

Yes. And then. Am I right that he asked what you were doing?

[B]

Yeah, but I think.

[A]

You think that was just innocuous.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

What do you think, Rob?

[B]

I was doing later that night directly

[A]

after he said you.

[B]

No, it was a little. Was a little.

[A]

Five, six minutes after. Minutes after.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Rob, that was a request for a date.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It sounded like a. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Once he said I had a perfect body. I was incredibly flattered. Like, I was.

[A]

You were on. You were floating.

[B]

I was already

[A]

a mess.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so then he said that, and I was like, I gotta go. I gotta go. Like, I got to go now.

[C]

Right, Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

This is a. This is one of the best stories I've ever heard on this show.

[B]

It was a big day. It was funny because of your joke about massaging the boobs. Boobs was so clearly a joke. And then. So when that was a real thing happening, I was like, I can't believe

[A]

this is actually happening right now. That he did need to bring a certain volume of oil.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So here's what I thought might happen. So you were very clear on all your things, and then you left. And it was perfect.

[B]

It was perfect.

[A]

My prediction. And it wasn't like a 70%. I wouldn't have bet, like, if I was doing Odds and value Vegas. I had a 30% thought that you're going to have like a full half day to marinate on the post kind of euphoria of it all. And then you go to dinner and you'd be drinking a glass of wine and then he'd reach out and he'd say, like, how are you feeling after your experience? And then I thought, there's a 30% chance that the thing could still take a turn that evening. Did he reach out that evening?

[B]

He reached out, but it was. Wasn't that evening. It was later, but it wasn't like late.

[A]

Okay. And it wasn't while you were having a glass of wine?

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

I didn't want that anymore.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I know you didn't. I. I believe you a thousand percent.

[B]

I just think it's hard for you to understand that as a.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I won't even say as a guy, as me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So anyways, you came home. What an experience. So the fact that after all the hype, the buildup, it was everything they said and, and then beyond that.

[B]

And I will say, I asked him, how long have you been doing this? And he said, this, three years. Massage. 17 years.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So when he said he is doing something different. He is doing something different.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

I did think though, like, if I had a boyfriend and I went to France and I had this experience.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It would have, I think, felt like,

[A]

like I just cheated a little.

[B]

It really does. Like, it's like, oh, I'm a. I'm awake.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I'm online. Yeah. Wow. What a guy.

[B]

It was something. It was something. I was not expecting to be able to report all of that back. I thought it would just be like. Yeah, it was like a little hyped up, but it was great. I expected it to be like an incredible massage, but this, it wasn't that.

[A]

Right. It was an experience. But God, it did cross my. I gotta tell you because I'm so protective of you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The only thing I thought is like, okay, so 30% chance some wine happens. You're not on the pill anymore.

[B]

Oh, I know.

[A]

That's what crossed my mind is, are you gonna come home pregnant with this guy's kid?

[B]

Luckily, abortion is legal in California.

[A]

That's true. That's true.

[B]

But see, that's why abortion should be legal.

[A]

Because you and your mistake.

[B]

They need to go to.

[A]

Sorry, you're massage therapist. No. At that point, it's a masseuse.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[A]

Because what they don't like is that masseuses imply some kind of Sexual flavors. So if he. If he did climb on top of you, then we could rightfully probably call him a masseuse.

[B]

And I. I was. I was like, culturally. This is so interesting. Like, what if it just feels so erotic? Yeah. What if it's standard because it's French?

[A]

I know. Incredible story. Incredible story.

[B]

Okay, now, ding, ding, ding. We mentioned Six Flags in this episode. Six Flags New Jersey. Because that's where she's from. Six Flags Great Adventure. And that is a ding, ding, ding. Because we just brought that up on another fact check about the roller coasters. Biggest roller coaster is there. Okay, pros and cons to coffee. It has a lot of nutrients. The coffee beans do. Vitamin B2, vitamin B5, B1, B3, folk, folate, potassium, magnesium, phosphorus. Lots of stuff. It can add up to a significant portion of your daily nutritional intake. But coffee really shines in its high content of antioxidants. In fact, the typical Western diet provides more antioxidants from coffee than from fruits and vegetables combined.

[A]

Whoa. Yeah. That's the only place I'm getting my antioxidants.

[B]

I know. I haven't had a vegetable in a while. I know. I did think, like, you're not even seeing it in its peak form.

[A]

Yeah. You're seeing it after a food orgy over the last 10 days.

[B]

Exactly. Okay. Caffeine, a stimulant that can enhance brain function and boost metabolism, may protect your brain from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Ooh. It says coffee drinkers have a much lower risk of type 2 diabetes, low risk of liver diseases, low risk of depression and suicide.

[A]

Side. And this fact check was bought to you on the American Council of Coffee.

[B]

Okay. But then it says coffee can cause anxiety and disrupt sleep.

[A]

Yeah. We can live with that.

[B]

Addictive and missing a few cups can lead to withdrawal.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Who cares?

[A]

Just keep having the cup. It's not like you're gonna. You can't get your hands on a cup of coffee.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I guess if you add a lot of sugar, that's bad.

[A]

Yes, of course. But this isn't an episode on sugar. This is about coffee.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Anyway, it sounds like a lot of pros.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is good.

[A]

I'm glad I'm drinking so much of it.

[B]

Okay. Cold water versus room temp water.

[A]

I'm always told the Chinese believe it's not good to drink cold water.

[B]

I don't think it's about Chinese.

[A]

That's what I'm always told.

[B]

Oh, my God. It is.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All water is good. Dr. Jill Blakeway, a licensed and board certified doctor of acupuncture and Chinese medicine and founder and clinical herbalist at Yova, says cold water is refreshing and cooling. It's great on a hot day and a good choice after exercise. Okay, so drinking warm water may be better in some instances, whereas drinking cold water might also be more beneficial. Says room temp water can make you less thirsty. Cold water is beneficial after a workout. Room temp aids in digestion in Chinese medicine. You're right. In Chinese medicine, we advocate drinking warm water because of its effects on the dig. Digestive system. Drinking cold water can congeal the fats in food and because of that, can make the digestive system sluggish.

[A]

Well, look, this I think we can say without getting into too much hot water. Ding, ding, ding. Different populations of people around the world struggle with different issues.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Kind of pandemically.

[B]

Yeah. Warm water improves circulation and can relax muscles, which combat constipation and abdominal crack cramping. Cold water can stuff up your sinuses. Room temp water boosts metabolism because it increases your overall body temperature. Cool. Okay, that's enough.

[A]

Yeah.

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Does scoliosis skip generations? Is scoliosis genetically passed from parents to their children? Strong evidence suggests that scoliosis rented families, but no direct evidence has been found. Also, nearly a third of patients with adolescent ID idiopathic scoliosis have a family history of the condition.

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Only a third. So that's not huge.

[B]

And that's from the scoliosis Institute. Okay. She went to a good college and she says it's one of the seven Sisters. And I didn't know what that was and I felt like a bad unifile.

[A]

I don't either.

[B]

Okay. The Seven sisters refers to seven highly selective liberal arts colleges in the northeastern US that are historically women's colleges.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Barna Barnard, Bryn Mawr, Mount Holyoke, Smith, Wellesley, Vassar. Vassar College is currently a co educational college. And Radcliffe College was absorbed by 1999 by Harvard College.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I only knew two of those. I knew Vassar and Barnyard Barnard.

[B]

You knew Wellesley, right?

[A]

Oh, yes. I think that might have been in Catcher in the Rye.

[B]

And Smith. I knew, but I didn't know. Well, Bryn Mawr, I think, is where she went.

[A]

Okay, now we know it.

[B]

Now we know I didn't know Mount Holyoke.

[A]

Nope, still don't.

[B]

These colleges were created to provide women with the educational equivalent to the traditional male Ivy League colleges. It's pretty cool. I like that. Okay, the New York Times article about the Indicators that lead to climbing the economic ladder. It's called quote, friending bias.

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Okay.

[B]

And it was in August of this year. A large new study offers clues about how lower income children can rise up the economic ladder. Growing up in a community connected across class lines improves kids outcomes and gives them a better shot at rising out of poverty.

[A]

That's what's cool about our kids school.

[B]

It is very cool.

[A]

Half half halves and half half nots.

[B]

Yeah. So if you guys want to read this article, it's interesting. Okay. You said when traders have wins, they get a bump in testosterone, Right? So I could not find evidence of that. What there is a ton of evidence of is when city traders have high morning testosterone levels, they make more than average profits for the rest of that day.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

So the testosterone affects the outcome in some ways we are weirdly. But I couldn't find the reverse.

[A]

Okay. Do you know women have more testosterone than they have estrogen?

[B]

Yes, but the percentage is lower than males.

[A]

Yes, but what's interesting is we, we think of estrogen as being the female hormone.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And testosterone being the male hormone. And obviously there's a big difference. But I don't think anyone realizes women have more testosterone than they have estrogen.

[B]

Yeah, we learned that in our fertility podcast.

[A]

Oh, you did? I learned it on Huberman talking to Peter Attiel.

[B]

Yeah, it was with.

[A]

Oh, is it. Oh, okay.

[B]

It depends on the person, the levels. I have a lot I think self diagnosed. Like my sad.

[A]

Testosterone is the big opponent of fertility in men. So for people who are thinking about doing testosterone replacement therapy, you absolutely cannot do it. If you want to have kids, it destroys your fertility.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Okay. The rate of opiate addiction in vets while In Vietnam is 30% and they come home and 4% remain addicted.

[A]

That's the numbers.

[B]

That's what you said.

[A]

Oh, okay. I've lost complete faith in those guesses.

[B]

There's this huge publication I found and there's a table in here. You're definitely right. Let's just say you're definitely right that the number goes drastically down.

[A]

There's a staggering drop off when they return.

[B]

But I'll read some of this because I have it broken down to any narcotic use, any heroin use narcotics more than weekly for a month or more, addicted to narcotics at any period you're in positive for narcotics. Okay, so let's just use any narcotic use. 10% since return.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And 43% in Vietnam.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And 11% before Vietnam.

[A]

That's really weird. It came down.

[B]

It came down after.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Wow. Yeah.

[C]

But.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

43 narcotic use.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's a lot. Yeah, two out of every five.

[B]

Okay, I have a surprise. It's not really a surprise because you told me to look it up, but

[A]

although it is a surprise because I've forgotten.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have the best speakers I've ever heard on it.

[B]

Really?

[A]

It's so loud.

[C]

The traffic that the boss, the baby,

[B]

the dog that does it.

[C]

Calon, take me away. Lose your cares. Calon Softens the water to leave skin.

[A]

She's in a 6,000 gallon circular bathtub. Roman pillars.

[C]

I love it. Pamper yourself with a Calgon bath. Lose yourself in luxury.

[A]

It. They were one sentence away from saying have an orgasm.

[B]

It's kind of ding, ding, ding.

[A]

Very ding, ding, ding. They're promising that that Calgon can give you the experience you got in that man's apartment.

[B]

Good luck, Calon. Oh, no.

[A]

You lost something. You lost the whole document.

[B]

No. What happened?

[A]

Well, I would imagine it die after

[B]

the volume of the all my tags tabs went away. Oh, I don't think I have very many left.

[C]

But did your Chrome crash? Sometimes. If you reopen it, it says reopen tabs.

[B]

I know, but it didn't you guys both use Chrome? Yeah, you should use Chrome.

[C]

It's good sign that you're a good employee.

[B]

That's right. Yeah, that's right.

[A]

Was it Chrome though?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because Safari comes default on Apple.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

In Chrome you've got to add.

[A]

And Windows Explorer is the default browser.

[C]

I know what Windows Internet Explorer I think is discontinued now. I think Firefox maybe.

[B]

Oh, Firefox. Yeah.

[A]

That was the most best employee, wasn't it? Firefox, you're really out on a limit.

[C]

I just like because it integrates with Google everything.

[A]

Right. Okay, I'll start using it.

[C]

Just use it.

[A]

It's always begging me when I open Gmail to switch over.

[B]

Do you think maybe, maybe you're not using it because you're like, I don't want to be an employee anymore.

[A]

No, no, I don't. I. It's probably an inflated confidence in Apple. Like, well, Safari's got to be the best. I like all the other Apple suite of products.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Safari's good.

[B]

Safari is good. You know what's cool about Chrome?

[A]

Tell me.

[B]

I could pull up my history.

[A]

Oh, well, you can do that on Safari. Yes, of course you can. You can do that on aol. No, that's OG shit right there.

[B]

Definitely, it's Chrome.

[A]

I'm just Want to earmark out loud, but on a next fact check, because this one's been so wonderfully good.

[B]

Robust.

[A]

Yeah. But just on an earmark that I have a grievance to air.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

Got outraged the other day. So just speaking of that, while you look at your thing, there's two things that sound racist that aren't in Formula One.

[B]

Oh, what?

[A]

Because they say regularly like the Spanish driver, because it's an international sport and all these guys are from different countries.

[B]

Countries, yeah.

[A]

So they'll say like Carlos signs like the Spanish driver is, you know, running. They'll refer to their nationality a lot.

[B]

Oh, I see.

[A]

But when they say the Mexican driver because Perez is from Mexico, it just feels racist.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And the other one is Zhou Gran Yu, he's from China. And when they say the Chinese driver, especially if he's like he's spun out or something, and they'll say like, oh, the Chinese driver went way. Why don't. It sounds deeply racist, but it's objectively not because they're saying everyone's nationality. But for some reason when they say the Chinese driver or the Mexican driver.

[B]

No, there's a reason. It's because in America we do that to those nationalities.

[A]

Well, you just rarely hear someone saying this Mexican. It's never positive after someone.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Which is.

[B]

That's very American, though.

[A]

Always I'm like, oh, oh, Chinese driver. Why? They just say, you have that reaction.

[B]

I like that. Okay, hold on. The history is not going as good as I wanted.

[A]

Remembered it to be on Chrome, maybe thinking of Safari.

[B]

No. Okay, I found it. Okay, so the question is, is the Americas gdp is the Wall Street? I'm so sorry. I'm pretty jet lagged.

[A]

Of course. Does it look like I'm getting frustrated?

[B]

No, I'm frustrated with myself because I can't talk right now.

[A]

What do you think about this reframing? I kind of like it. I've heard that it's a good idea. I know you're aware of it. Instead of saying I'm sorry, I blank say, thanks for your patience.

[B]

Oh, that's nice. Thanks for your patience.

[A]

Patience, yeah, no problem. You don't owe me an apology. I don't know why that's a thing. I just know intuitively I like it. Like instead of coming in and going like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm like, it's oh, my God, thank you for your patience.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You feel like it's taking less responsibility.

[B]

A little, yeah. A little. Because, like, I am sorry if I'm making mistakes.

[A]

Well, you don't need to be because I'm not.

[C]

I think it's for more mundane things that you're not supposed to over apologize. Because I've heard that too.

[A]

Like, this is a thing I would love to help Lincoln get over. She says, I'm sorry so much and drives me crazy because I'm like, you don't need to be.

[B]

So she does say it, as she

[A]

almost says it's a default.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like when we're playing soccer and she doesn't kick it perfectly to me. So I'm sorry. And I'm like, baby, you don't need to be like, this is perfect.

[B]

But do you know what she's doing? She's doing what I just did. She's saying I'm sorry to herself.

[A]

And that's what I, in so many words I said to her, it's okay for you to have a goal for yourself that you might even want to say, like, I know I can do better to yourself, but you don't owe me anything.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's almost.

[A]

I don't have an expectation of you being perfect at passing a soccer ball 300 times.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you don't owe me an apology because there's been no unsaid contract that that's what I expect from you.

[B]

Yeah. It's totally dependent on the scenario. I think it's courteous to say I'm sorry if you've impacted somebody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. The percentage of America's GDP. That's Wall Street.

[A]

Oh, finance.

[B]

In 1970, the finance insurance industries accounted for 4.2% of US GDP, up from 2.8% in 1950. By 2012, they represented 6.6. The story with priority profits is similar. In 1970, the profits of the finance and insurance industries were equal to 24% of the profits of all other sectors combined. In 2013, that number had grown to 37% despite the after effects of the financial crisis.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So 30%, 37.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

In 2013.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it could be more.

[A]

That's why people should be critical of the finance industry. But the notion that we should get rid of it or totally.

[B]

That's how this came up. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Is like. It's naive. You can't really talk about getting rid of any industry that's 30% of our GDP without humongous, colossal collapse of many systems and people's life.

[B]

Yes. I'm not interested in getting rid of it at all. But I don't subscribe to the thought that it has to be toxic to work.

[A]

Right, right, right. Nor do I think we should be held hostage by any industry. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking to the people that are like, dismantle Wall Street.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

No private banking. This is a new.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

It's a big cornerstone of our overall economy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And really, it's all England is now. They stopped manufacturing. They have some luxury goods.

[B]

Think Burberry.

[A]

That's a luxury. Good.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Burberry trench. Okay, that's all for today day.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Now you have. We have an Easter egg for next fact check, which is always exciting.

[A]

Love you. Thank you for that great story.

[B]

You're welcome.