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Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel
Hosted by Jeff Cook and T.J. Wilson · EN
The Enneagram is a map of the human personality. It’s a tool for navigating relationships. It creates language for what motivates us and helps us look at the way we look at everything else. Most importantly the enneagram is a mirror; because sometimes you need help seeing yourself.
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The Enneagram Book Everyone’s Talking About | A Review and Critique
5d ago01:26:11Tap to summarizeFind all our material on Dr. Siegel's Book : HEREIn this episode, Jeff Cook sits down with Danielle Fuller (Scientific Enneagram) for a deep conversation on Dr. Daniel Siegel’s Personality and Wholeness in Therapy—the book many are calling the most important scientific contribution to Enneagram theory in years. Together they unpack the book’s core framework around agency, bonding, certainty, emotional regulation, and developmental pathways while wrestling with both its strengths and frustrations.Jeff and Danielle explore where Siegel’s work reframes the Enneagram for therapists and skeptics, where the language becomes overly dense, and how neuroscience, polyvagal theory, and personality theory intersect with classic Enneagram ideas. Along the way, they debate whether the book advances the conversation, complicates it unnecessarily, or both at the same time.This is a theory-heavy discussion for serious students of the Enneagram, psychology, and human development.
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Wings | 1↔2 and 2↔3
1w ago00:41:32Tap to summarizeIn this episode of Rewired, Jeff Cook and Katie Whitlock explore the shared space between neighboring Enneagram types through the lens of wings, relationships, posture, and emotional overlap. Rather than treating wings as a way to narrow identity, they ask a different question: what do adjacent types share? The conversation begins with Ones and Twos, unpacking themes like sacrifice, servant-heartedness, grief, judgment, and the pressure to care for the world around them. From there, they move into the shared emotional world of Twos and Threes, exploring image crafting, externalized shame, relational performance, and the difficulty of truly seeing oneself. Along the way, Jeff and Katie discuss:Why wings may be “high level” Enneagram workThe difference between sharing a center and sharing a stanceWhy neighboring types often mistype as one anotherThe role gender can play in how types express sacrifice and careHow Twos and Threes use other people as mirrorsWhy some types struggle to do deep Enneagram work despite loving the systemThe tension between authentic connection and adaptive performanceThis episode opens a new direction for Rewired — less focused on categorizing people and more interested in the spaces between them.
Transcribe →Roots | Enneagram 9, 2, & 9 * Suzanne, Mallory, and Emma
1w ago01:03:03Tap to summarizeThese podcasts are getting bigger and bigger! Today I welcome TWO sisters and their mom to talk about more mother-daughter relationship dynamics. We chat about the similarities between 2s and 9s, and what it's like to give your children space to grow and be themselves.Follow me on Instagram to get updates on new episodes and classesJoin our Patreon to get exclusive episodes and access to our monthly workshops
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Mistyping Monday | Is Meredith a 2, 3, or 8?
1w ago00:50:01Tap to summarizeMistyping Monday returns!If you want to connect with us on workshops or one-on-ones like this, sign up for a membership at : www.aroundthecircle.org
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Heroes? | Type 8 | Magneto and the X-Men (Complete Series)
2w ago04:16:21Tap to summarizeFrom our Movie Typing podcast , this is the full 4 episode discussion of Enneagram eights, heroism, politics, and the movement into villainy with our friend Steve Morris. You can find, Steve's work: HERE
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Roots | Enneagram 7 & 1 * Ann and Sara
2w ago00:53:58Tap to summarizeMy extended family gets featured this week! I am joined by my cousin and my aunt to talk about the dynamics between a 7 mother & a 1 daughter. Their family also includes three younger siblings (triplets!) so we get to talk about sibling dynamics and how a 1 survives being the oldest sister.Follow me on Instagram to get updates on future podcast episodes and classes.
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"The Morning Show" | Enneagram and the Body
2w ago01:20:22Tap to summarizeA conversation about the body center, instinct, anger, boundaries, and what it means to be present. In this episode of the Morning Show, Jeff, Kristin, Jackie, and TJ explore how each Enneagram center experiences the world through the body—whether through instinct, physicality, control, fear, affection, movement, autonomy, or anger. The discussion moves from tattoos and touch to chronic pain, flow states, repression, emotional regulation, and the complicated relationship each type has with anger and physical presence.Along the way, the group wrestles with questions like: What is healthy anger? What does it mean to trust your body? Why do some people move toward intensity while others avoid it? And how do we stop overthinking long enough to actually inhabit our lives?
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Saturday Workshop | 6s and 7s
3w ago02:00:11Tap to summarizeIn this final session of the series, Jeff and Katie wrap up their exploration of the shadow work of the Enneagram by focusing on Type Six and Type Seven.We unpack the fear, holy ideas and heart’s messages connected to each type, and ask what actually helps move people toward courage, temperance, and greater wholeness.The discussion moves beyond stereotypes and into the lived experience of Sixes and Sevens — how Sixes seek certainty and support, how Sevens navigate fear of deprivation and being trapped, and how both types wrestle with trust, vulnerability, and control.
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369s and the Art of Processing | A Conversation with TJ, Kristin and Katie
3w ago01:27:15Tap to summarizeThis is our final post on Processing Center and Jeff gets to interview Katie Whitlock (3), Kristin Messegee (6), and TJ WIlson (9) about how their types move around the circle.
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"The Morning Show" | Head, Heart and Body
3w ago01:07:18Tap to summarizeIn this episode of The Morning Show, Jeff Cook, Kristin Messegee, and Jackie Contessa explore the three centers of intelligence in the Enneagram—head, heart, and body—but with a broader lens than usual. Instead of focusing only on dominant or repressed centers, the conversation examines how each person relates to all three, and what balance across them might actually look like.They break down each center: the body as presence, boundaries, and action; the heart as identity, connection, and significance; and the head as discernment, strategy, and anticipation of the future. Along the way, they connect these ideas to the nervous system, emotional patterns like anger, shame, and fear, and the practical challenge of moving beyond automatic reactions.The discussion also turns toward growth—what it means to develop non-dominant centers, how that creates real freedom and choice, and why over-reliance on one center can become limiting. The episode closes with a larger debate about individual work, community, and what true integration looks like in everyday life.
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