Jen Hatmaker just announced she's "quietly laid down" her belief in a literal hell — and says it's the best thing that ever happened to her. Nate breaks down her Substack post and asks the obvious question: if you're not a Christian anymore, why were you worried about hell in the first place?

Then things get spicy when Nate reacts to a viral ex-Christian's deconversion story — the one where she credits a friend "at CERN" for finally convincing her the Bible was just written by ignorant goat herders who didn't understand science. Spoiler: shepherds, tax collectors, fishermen, and a Roman-educated Pharisee named Paul would like a word. Sean and Steph jump in for a genuinely great discussion of Frederick Douglass, Sojourner Truth, and how the "invisible institution" of the Black Church preserved the true gospel even under slavery.

Also on today's Ask A Christian Podcast:
- The US House votes to cut 100% of aid to Nigeria until the government stops the mass killing of Christians
- Six pastors jailed and Bibles seized in a house church crackdown in China
- A PCUSA pastor (in a Planned Parenthood stole, no less) blasts the abortion abolitionist movement as a "threat"

Oh, and a few more "Holy Nope" clips that will make you wonder how anyone concluded Jesus was married, bisexual, or a lesbian drag queen from the actual text of Scripture. Read the Bible with the clearest lens, folks — not whatever lens you showed up with.

📚 Resources & Links
- US House votes to cut aid to Nigeria: https://protestia.com/2026/07/20/us-house-votes-to-cut-all-aid-to-nigeria-over-mass-killings-of-christians/
- Bibles seized, pastors jailed in China: https://protestia.com/2026/07/20/bibles-seized-six-pastors-jailed-in-china-house-church-crackdown/
- PCUSA pastor blasts abortion abolitionists: https://protestia.com/2026/07/21/pcusa-pastor-blasts-abortion-abolitionists-for-being-a-major-threat-to-abortion-rights/
- Abolitionists Rising: https://abolitionistsrising.com/
- Foundation to Abolish Abortion: https://faa.life/
- Jen Hatmaker no longer believes in literal hell: https://protestia.com/2026/07/21/jen-hatmaker-says-she-no-longer-believes-in-literal-hell-its-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-me/

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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
1:25 - Reacting to "Holy Nope": was Jesus married, bisexual, or gay?
8:04 - US House votes to cut all aid to Nigeria over Christian killings
12:14 - Bibles seized, six pastors jailed in China house church crackdown
16:44 - PCUSA pastor blasts abortion abolitionists as a threat to abortion rights
21:52 - Reviewing abortion abolitionist websites and state abortion laws
24:25 - Jen Hatmaker says she no longer believes in a literal hell
34:51 - Reacting to an ex-Christian's CERN story and "dumb goat herder" argument
44:06 - Jesus' miracles as evidence He is God
46:28 - You can't prove a negative: answering "there is no God"
50:13 - Sean responds with Psalm 14:1, "The fool has said there is no God"
56:56 - Frederick Douglass, Sojourner Truth & the true gospel of the Black Church
1:01:04 - Reacting to a "why did slaves pray to God" video
1:09:41 - Wrap-up and where to find the show

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