Stephen Roach joins the show to talk about Breath and Clay and why it’s built differently than most conferences. With this year’s theme, Making Space, the goal is not a packaged outcome but a shared environment where artists, makers, and seekers can collaborate, experiment, and rediscover how they see the world. They explore why art-making matters for everyone, how creativity trains you to live well in uncertainty, and why beauty operates by a different economy than utility. Stephen shares stories of collaborations born at Breath and Clay and reads an excerpt from his upcoming book, How to See Invisible Things.