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Audio Branding
Hosted by Jodi Krangle · EN
Keeping a consistent sound in how you present your company really is the "hidden gem" of marketing. But audio or sonic branding influences us in many different ways and in many different places within our lives. Education is key! I explore that here, both with my own observations and by interviewing knowledgeable professionals in the field of advertising, marketing, music, technology and science.
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AI in Business and Creativity: A Conversation with David Gielan
2w ago00:26:14Tap to summarize“The reason why brands and companies should be thinking about audio is because all of their consumers are, whether they know it or not. I mean, to your point about people knowing when something doesn’t feel right but not necessarily knowing why, a lot of times it’s audio. Especially now too, with so much AI slop and the level of inauthenticity that is being broadcasted, a really great song jingle, like a really well-crafted sound design for movements in things like action, sports, or what have you, that can bring in the viewer or the listener into a world that I just cannot.” – David GielanThis episode is the second half of my conversation with founder and CEO of Dominant Creative, and founder and CTO of DominantLabs.AI, David Gielan, as we discuss the shifting balance between AI content and natural creativity, where he sees the advertising industry heading as human artists become more of a luxury, and the link between branding, better sales, and the power of sound.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – The Importance of Audio in MarketingThe second half of our conversation starts as David relays a lesson Emma Thompson shared in one of her books about the impact that just writing our thoughts down can have on the brain. “She says there’s a relation between the way that our brain works and our hand,” he recalls. “You fundamentally learn what it is you’re putting down on paper by having that connection, which I think is really interesting. And we totally miss it if we put it into an AI chatbot.” We focus on the steady growth of AI in the advertising industry, and how it’s making organic content both less common and more valuable. “In the same way that I buy vinyl and listen to vinyl,” David says, “that’s how voiceover, and, in my humble opinion, sound design, music creation, all these things will be. There will be a premium for it, and there’ll be a much smaller group doing it because you will not be able to make a living at it.”(08:15) – AI’s Impact on CreativityDavid tells us more about his creative process, and how he took a deliberately low-tech approach to mixing his last album: “I didn’t want samples from somebody I’ve never met, somebody I didn’t know who played it in some studio in Prague to have their stuff on my record,” he explains. “And so I think there are more people out there who feel the same way that I do.” AI can have its advantages, though, and he describes how he puts it to use when brainstorming. “When I want to sketch out storyboards,” he says, “it’s much easier for me to clarify that idea and then have it animated… Not because I’m trying to put out a final product, but because I’m trying to understand better what I want.”(22:35) – Crafting an Authentic Brand SoundAs our conversation comes to a close, David shares some of the projects that have marked the highlights of his career, and the role sound played in shaping their success. “One of the proudest things I have in my career is a piece of audio that’s absolutely defined the legacy of that brand. And it is very easy to forget what drives a consumer to make a purchasing decision to align themselves with an identity because that’s essentially what, you know, your dollars go to.” We discuss the link between visual, audio, and ad revenue, and how he puts all three to use to build a successful brand. “The thing I spend most of my time doing is connecting the dots between a good brand and better sales,” he tells us. “Ultimately, that’s what it will or will not do. And audio is a massive part of that.”Episode SummaryDavid discusses why brands should focus on authentic audio experiences.The conversation shifts to the effects of AI on sound design and creativity.David shares his philosophy on creating sound with a personal touch.Connect with the GuestDominant Creative’s website: https://dominantcreative.com/David’s website: https://gielan.com/Follow David Gielan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dgielan/Follow David Gielan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidgielan/Follow David Gielan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidgielan/Get your complimentary mini e-book and learn how to create your personalized and branded audio branding strategy with my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy.Do you need a voice talent for your next project? Visit my voice-over website to find out more about how my voice can help you with your audio brand. You can also subscribe to the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube to watch the show’s latest episodes.Please leave the Audio Branding Podcast a written review so others can find the show on their favorite podcast player!Want to be a guest on Audio Branding? Send Jodi a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/jodikrangle.This interview episode was very skillfully made to sound beautiful by the talented Humberto Franco.** Transcript available upon requestThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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Audio Branding and Sound Design: A Conversation with David Gielan
3w ago00:30:35Tap to summarize“To your point, like it can make or break campaigns, can make or break TV and film. I mean, you know, there’s mumblegate that’s happening, like with all the streamers where I can’t understand half the things that are being spoken... And in the interview, he was like, ‘Well, it’s just not important to me.’ I’m like, what?” – David GielanThis week’s guest is a six-time founder and creative strategist who knows the power of sound in shaping stories that stick. As founder of Dominant Creative, a global agency and production company, he helps brands harness audio to spark connection and inspire change. His name is David Gielan, and in this episode, he shares how sound influences branding, fuels emotion, and helps organizations stand out in a noisy world. If you care about where audio is headed, you’ll want to hear this one.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – David’s Journey from Music to MarketingAs our conversation starts, David recalls his early memories of sound and how he’s passing on the lessons he learned to his own children. “Being even two or three years old,” he says, “I have these memories of dancing to records in my home and, you know, I just try to impart that on my kids too when they were very young.” He tells us more about his experience in marketing and ad production, and how having a background in music can sometimes be a mixed blessing. “I am not a person who can go to live music events as just an appreciator of music,” David explains. “It makes it absolutely impossible for me…. I’m just going to be sitting there in my head trying to pick it apart, not in a negative way, but just in a way of trying to understand how it was all put together.”(08:15) – Mumblegate and Audio ClarityThe discussion continues as David tells us more about the role sound plays in his approach to branding. “ I also have always been the kind of director and creative who is considering sound at each stage of the process,” he tells us. “And so I’m also doing the edit in my head and I’m doing the sound design in my head while we’re filming, while we’re working on it, and so it just gives me a greater level of control, but also creative inspiration as I’m working.” Our conversation turns to “mumblegate,” the sound editing trend that’s making streaming audio harder to hear than ever, and how it can work against a marketing campaign. “I think for a lot of people,” he adds, “sound is usually an afterthought, especially because advertising a lot of time is a very visual medium… The creatives that I love working with most are the ones who come from post before they started getting into the director’s chair, because they understand how something incredibly simple can make such a massive impact.”(22:35) – The Role of Sound DesignAs the first half of our conversation closes, the topic turns to how David puts sound to use in his own marketing work, such as an ad campaign he created for Yonex. “It was a very dark and emotive and impactful round of spots that were mainly driven by sound design,” he recalls. “It was just the visuals of a racket spinning. But it really came to life when, you know, when those moments were accented by key sound effects.” Our discussion returns to his insights on mumblegate, and how often it comes down to a struggle between sound editors and producers. “I’ve worked with a number of rerecording mixers over the years that bury dialogue because they’re forced to do so, not because they want to. They’re like, ‘No, I want to bring clarity to this project and so people can follow the story and understand what’s going on.’ And then they’re, you know, shouted down by the folks at the top.”Episode SummaryDavid talks about his career journey and personal experiences with sound.Why audio clarity seems to be less of a focus in today’s media.David shares the impact of sound design in his advertising campaigns.Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about the human creativity premium that the AI rush is helping to create, how David’s balancing automation and his personal approach to building a campaign, and why he feels that sound is an untapped resource when it comes to branding.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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How Audio Branding Transforms Marketing: A Conversation with David Courtier-Dutton – Part 2
Apr 2200:29:22Tap to summarize“Live is always going to be great. Human connection is the only thing that will differentiate AI from people and from artists. And that is, I think, going to be the key lever that artists have left. So in the same way as you might go and buy a handmade coffee cup for $20 from an artisan stall when you can buy one for a dollar in Walmart, music will still hold great value.” – David Courtier-DuttonThis episode is the second half of my conversation with the founder and CEO of SoundOut, David Courtier-Dutton, as we discuss the catch-22 financial companies can face when it comes to making a sonic impression, how some companies are reaching old and new customers alike by reviving the radio jingles of years past, and the role of audio branding in an increasingly AI-driven world.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – Surprising Trends in Sonic BrandingThe second half of our conversation starts as David shares more of SoundOut’s discoveries about the effectiveness of branding, including why Visa and Mastercard’s sonic logos haven’t made the impact they’d hoped. “Listening to their sonic logo in isolation with no brand association,” David explains, “20% and 31% respectively said, yeah, we know the brand. But not one person out of those 400 across the two brands could actually write the brand name when asked what the brand was.” We talk about the old radio jingles and how some companies are finding success in reviving them for a new generation. “Both Maybelline and Pillsbury,” he tells us, “are sort of historic logos that were retired for a long time, and you just cannot underestimate the power of bringing back an old, beloved sonic logo… I wouldn’t say it’s an easy win, but it is, because those neural pathways are absolutely locked in.”(8:45) – The Role of AI in Music and MarketingDavid and I talk about the elephant in the room, AI and its impact on marketing, and the shift he’s seen over the past year. “Up until about six months ago,” he observes, “we were seeing very little of it. There are some obvious concerns around legalities … brands won’t want to use music created by AI in case it is actually breaching copyright. [But[ that will get sorted in the next six months or so, I think.”He shares his thoughts on how search processes are being increasingly handled by AI, and how audio can help brands stand out from the crowd. “The brand will go nowhere near the consumer,” he tells us. “So anything that you can do to make your brand more distinctive when you are advertising online and through music, anything to make a brand more prominent, can only help.”(20:30) – The Power of Authenticity in BrandingAs our discussion comes to a close, David elaborates on his observation that AI is increasingly talking to itself rather than users. “We’re basically talking agents talking to agents,” he explains, “so AI agents talking to AI agents… I would imagine within 12 months it’ll become quite a big thing. And within three years, it’ll be everywhere. Everywhere.” We talk about the role human creativity might still play in a marketplace driven by AI, and one advantage musicians still have over machine-generated content. “It can feign emotion,” he says, “but you’ll never move an AI with a song because it doesn’t do emotion, and it literally, it never will… Emotion and empathy are all that we have as humans to distinguish ourselves from machines. And so music will… music will survive forever.”Episode SummaryThe challenges and surprising innovations in building a distinctive audio brand.How AI audio content has already begun to reshape the digital landscape.David shares his insights on what the growth of AI means for human artists.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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From Corporate Law to Sonic Branding: A Conversation with David Courtier-Dutton – Part 1
Apr 1500:33:28Tap to summarize“When you hand it to the composer in sonic branding, at that point, it becomes an art, because the job of the composer, of course, is to translate those desired emotions into music. And it’s not [the] music that the composer feels, it is what it makes the audience feel when they hear it, and that is almost pure art. We have done some science around it, and we know what might help in terms of instrumentation and timbre and pitch and all that sort of stuff, but, at the bottom line, the sonic logo is only going to be as good as the composer. They are the most important person in a sonic branding project, bar none.” – David Courtier-DuttonThis episode’s guest is the founder and CEO of SoundOut, and he’s on a mission to prove that sound isn’t just art – it’s strategy. From building the world’s largest music testing platform to decoding how sonic logos tap straight into our memory and emotions, he’s turned the science of sound into a tool that brands can’t ignore, and he’s worked with such brands as Amazon, TikTok, Netflix, Sky, and Target to help optimize their sonic branding and marketing.His name is David Courtier-Dutton, and we’ll be talking about what makes audio unforgettable, how data reveals our hidden reactions to music, and where the future of audio branding might be headed.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – David’s Earliest Memories of SoundOur discussion starts off with a pivotal moment in David’s childhood, and in the years that followed, that taught him the power of sound. “It seared that moment in my brain,” he says, recalling George Harrison’s song “Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth), “of all the very few memories you have when you’re six, seven years old. It just stuck with me. And I lost the song for probably about thirty years or so. And then when I heard it again, I was straight back in that little car, absolutely transfixed by the radio at that point.” We talk about his journey from corporate law to sonic branding, and how it coincided with the dramatic changes that MySpace and social media brought to the music industry. “The industry appeared to be facing existential moments,” David recalls. “So I thought, ‘well, wouldn’t it be great, if the industry is going to go away and fans can connect with the bands, why don’t we create a business that enables the fans to invest in the bands themselves and actually finance them?”(15:00) – Understanding the Role of Sonic BrandingDavid shares his observations on audio branding and the mistakes that can derail an agency’s search for the right sonic logo. “They get really attached to the sounds,” he explains, “and they start reading things into the options and the logos that perhaps don’t exist. They forget that this sonic logo will just be pinged out across the airwaves and listened to fleetingly by consumers, and you can really overthink it.” He tells us about SoundOut’s pioneering brand study, its methodology, and what it’s revealed so far about successful sonic branding. “From that historic data,” he says, “the key data point was that if you have your [brand] name in your sonic logo, then people were twice as likely to attribute it to the brand as if it wasn’t in. So that’s powerful. That’s a good argument for putting the name in.”(23:00) – Insights from the SoundOut IndexAs the first half of our conversation wraps up, David offers more insights from the SoudOut study and what they tell us about successful sonic branding. “If you’ve got three seconds or two seconds to create a logo,” he notes, “you’re not going to create something that has a hook as strong as Katy Perry or whatever it may be. It’s always going to be a short snippet of a melody.” We discuss the surprising gap the index revealed between what consumers think they know and what they actually know when it comes to brand recognition, and the advantage sound has over other, more traditional marketing. “People can’t block their ears,” David tells us. “They can look away, they can be doing something else at the same time, but you can’t close off your ears [or] your ability to listen and for those connections to be made. So it’s a very subversive way of marketing, but highly effective.”Episode SummaryDavid shares his journey from a London law firm to music and marketing.How traditional branding can lead agencies astray when it comes to sonic logos.David discusses SoundOut’s five-year study of audio branding and recognition.Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about the unique audio branding challenge companies like Visa and Mastercard face, what role human creatives might play in a market that’s increasingly giving way to AI, and how audio branding can help companies rise above the algorithmic noise.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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Sound Through the Ages: From Singing Seashells to Ringing Rocks
Apr 800:08:31Tap to summarizeOne topic that comes up quite often on Audio Branding is audio technology, and how far it’s come over just the last few years. Whether it’s choosing the right sound equipment, deciding if you should record with noise cancellation turned on (and just for the record, you shouldn’t), or taking advantage of advanced recording options like 3-D audio and Dolby Atmos, there’s a lot to consider when it comes to sound. But you might be surprised to learn that the science of sound optimization is a lot older than surround sound, or stereo recordings, or even audio recordings at all.Sound has been a part of our lives for as long as we’ve been around, and it turns out that we’ve been finding ways to boost sound quality and reshape the acoustic landscape around us for just as long. From ancient Roman amplifiers to prehistoric boulder harmonies, our ancestors explored the possibilities of sound in ways that scientists today are still trying to understand.Creating just the right sound experience can be a big enough challenge for modern-day concerts and movie theaters. How do you do it when you don’t have any microphones or speakers? This was the problem faced by Greek and Roman architects, and the science of archaeoacoustics, of how sound was shaped and used in ancient times, hasn’t entirely unraveled their solution. According to the ancient Roman architect Vitruvius, they used “acoustic jars,” or “echea” in Greek, small brass cups built into the walls between each of the seats. He didn’t invent them, though, so we aren’t sure who originally came up with the idea. These echea were believed to resonate and amplify spoken voices, boosting their sound for each listener like a set of personal speakers. They were arranged according to precise mathematical rules that differed depending on the theater’s dimensions.Did they really work? They must have worked well enough, since they were popular not only during antiquity but also in medieval times, with over a hundred cathedrals in France alone putting them to use. But research continues on just how they worked as well as they did. Some studies suggest that they didn’t actually amplify sound, but instead absorbed some of the surrounding frequencies to muffle the background noise: the world’s first noise-cancellation technology, more than two thousand years before headphones. But a 2011 presentation at the Acoustics of Ancient Theatres conference suggested that maybe their resonance effect did amplify sound. The verdict’s still out.If you’d like to hear an echea’s resonance for yourself, here’s a clip of a sound sculpture by Michele Spranghero that puts one to haunting use:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb57mGHy4OERome wasn’t the only ancient civilization to take advantage of sonic resonance. More than a thousand years earlier, and several thousand miles away, lies the Peruvian archaeological site of Chavín de Huántar, once the capital city of the Chavin civilization. Its temples, plazas, and surviving buildings have been studied for many decades, and lately that research has helped uncover the role that sound and harmonic frequencies played in its religious ceremonies.One artifact that’s been consistently found there is the pututu, a wind instrument that’s also known as a conch trumpet since it’s made from the shell of a conch. This may be a little surprising since the ocean’s well over a hundred miles away, but there might be a surprising reason why so many ancient conch trumpets have been recovered from the Chavin temples.A research team from the Acoustical Society of America, accompanied by Stanford researcher Dr. Chris Chafe, investigated the acoustical properties of their chambers and discovered that they’re designed to resonate with the pututu’s distinctively warbling frequencies, not only amplifying them but pulling two or more pututu players into a musical harmony that’s felt as much as it’s heard. This effect can be experienced elsewhere – it comes from the rhythmic “beats” that emerge from its natural interference patterns – but it’s stronger inside the buildings. Some researchers have suggested this resonant harmony was a key part of the city’s religious ceremonies and that the temple’s soundscape was intended to create a profound experience for the musicians and their audience.If you’re curious about what a pututu sounds like, here’s a short clip:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5PkUXBo4NIThere are plenty of soundscapes and resonant frequencies all around us, of course, and one of our earliest encounters with them might have been as simple as tripping over a rock. They’re called ringing rocks, or singing stones or sonorous rocks, and their discovery by prehistoric tribes all over the world led to one of the first musical instruments ever made, the rock gong or stone chimes.Ringing rocks are volcanic rocks, such as dolerite or basalt, and even though they aren’t made of metal and they aren’t hollow, they ring like bells when they’re struck. Groups of singing stones can be found throughout the world, from Ringing Rock Park in Pennsylvania and the Bell Rock Range of Australia to sonorous stone fields in Africa and Europe, and the science behind their sound isn’t as simple as you might think. According to a 1965 study by geologist Richard Faas, the rocks actually create a series of inaudibly low, or infrasonic, audio frequencies, but those overlapping frequencies constructively interfere with each other to create sounds that our ears can detect.But where do those low frequencies come from in the first place? Science is still working on that mystery, and some theories suggest it has to do with the rock’s structural tension, making it a kind of stone guitar string that vibrates with a hard tap. And if that isn’t mysterious enough, the Singing Stones of Brittany clearly didn’t come from the place they’re found today, but no one knows when or how they arrived. Did ancient people recognize their acoustic properties and relocate them as oversized musical instruments? Or were the stones, as legend has it, left there by the Devil?Check out this clip of a visitor at Ringing Rocks Park in Pennsylvania using six singing stones, each with its own distinctive note, to play a familiar melody:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKtkbH6ANykSound has connected us to each other and the world around us since the dawn of time, and we’ve been discovering new ways to harness its power for just as long. As we move into the future, learning those lessons could help us reshape the way we experience it in the years to come.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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The Role of Simplicity in Sonic Branding: A Conversation with Connor Moore – Part 2
Apr 100:30:18Tap to summarize“I give them a lot of credit because they use that so frequently, and that’s why they have so much success. I mean, it is an iconic melody in and of itself, but it’s that repetition and that usage, you know, whereas I feel like a lot of sound logo projects that come in, we’ll get to the finish line and they’ll be excited to use it, and then a month or two later, they’ll be like, ‘We’re not seeing quite the results that we’d hoped.’ It’s like, A, you’re not going to see it after a month, and B, you’ve got to use it consistently, you know, and potentially in multiple places. State Farm does it right.” – Connor MooreThis episode is the second half of my conversation with founder and creative director of CMoore Sound, Connor Moore, as we talk about where AI voices might be taking sound design, how he became a juror at the International Sound Awards, and how sonic logos are making a comeback.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – Current Trends in Sound DesignThe second half of our discussion starts as Connor talks about neural voices, the latest breakthrough in AI voice clones, and how popular they’re becoming with clients. “It’s a very interesting space,” he says, “having a customized brain and voice that can constantly adapt, you know, and so we’re seeing a lot more of that come through.” He talks about his work on Google Glass and how he might approach its UX design differently in today’s world, and how he helped reshape the famous State Farm sonic logo. “’Here’s a simple tweak at a foundational level,’” he recalls saying, “’Take away the square wave and use a sine wave at a base level.’ And they were like, ‘Oh.’ And we’re already 65% there.”(10:47) – The Importance of SimplicityWe discuss his work with the International Sound Awards and the insights he’s gained from seeing nominees from all over the world. “Most of the work I’ve reviewed in the last four years has been more kind of traditional sonic branding,” he tells us. “It’s just great to be a part of that community and to hear all the cool work coming, because it’s at a global scale.” He talks about the resurgence of sound logos in today’s market, and the lesson to be learned from State Farm’s branding success. “The iconic nature of that example is the melody,” he says, “the melody that’s been around for so long. But I think that what I would say is just, you know, use it lightly. Be careful with overusing it.”(24:47) – The Future of Sonic BrandingOur conversation wraps up with what he’s working on now, and the trends he’s seeing in branding and audio UX design. “Industries that you might not expect,” Connor explains, “old school industries that are becoming more tech focused, for example... which I think is interesting, because I think sound as a technology [is] starting to touch industries of old that are modernizing.” He tells listeners how they can get in touch, and shares his perspective as someone on the forefront of sonic branding. “I’m working on very emerging technologies,” he says. “I’m working on older industry segments that are stepping into new technology, I’m working in automotive... it’s a good balance that keeps me engaged.”Episode SummaryOur discussion on the rise of wearable technology and voice-driven experiences.Exploring how simplicity impacts sound design and brand perception.Connor’s predictions on the evolution of audio branding and its applications.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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How Sound Design Revolutionizes Branding: A Conversation with Connor Moore – Part 1
Mar 2500:30:04Tap to summarize“Too much sound complicates things, it confuses things, and it causes annoyance and fatigue, too much brain power needed. Too much cognitive load, and it’s a known fact. So oftentimes companies will come to me and say, ‘Hey, we have, you know, sixty sounds we want to create.’ And I go, ‘Okay, cool. Let’s take a look at the list. Let me understand your product a little better and let’s try to find ways to strip it back.’ Because, you know, that can be very overwhelming for users.” – Connor MooreThis episode’s guest is a leading expert in audio UX and audio branding. As the founder of CMoore Sound, he’s shaped how major brands like Google, Uber, Peloton, and Airbnb use sound to enhance their products and connect with audiences. Over the past fifteen years, he’s helped define how sound influences everything from brand identity to user experience, and he’s been featured in The New Yorker, NPR, and Google’s Design series. He’s also a fellow judge for the International Sound Awards, which is how we met. His name is Connor Moore and his work shows how sound isn’t just decoration, it’s a powerful tool that shapes how we feel, navigate, and interact with the world.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – Connor’s Audio Eureka MomentOur conversation starts with Connor’s early memories of sound, and how quickly he came to realize in college that audio branding wasn’t really a thing in marketing. “It really begged the question for me of why aren’t brands thinking about sound and music like they are for their visual branding,” he explains. “So that, to me, was a bit of a eureka moment and really kind of set me on my path.” He talks about how both old-time jingles and current audio brands like Netflix get it right when it comes to repetition, and his process for getting clients what they need to establish their audio brand. “With my business,” Connor tells us, “I’m involved at every stage… that’s a big value add. Having a veteran in the industry in the room at all times and really guiding the work, that is really the biggest differentiator.”(12:23) – The Evolution of Sonic BrandingConnor tells us about some of his current projects, including a major car company that needs a creative approach to sonic branding. “They’re a product first company,” he says. “It’s an automotive company. Without the product, you don’t have the brand. So that is the biggest touch point for their customers. And you can do the audio branding process through UX. It’s really the same process.” He shares the insights he gained from working with companies like Samsung and Lucid Motors, and tells us about the early days of audio-first UX. “Back then they were just very simple kind of ringtones and alarms,” he says. “And what I did is I went in and really crafted really long form compositions that gradually pick up over time, you know, with volume, percussion, harmonics, [and] complexity.”(26:15) – Creating a More Thoughtful SoundscapeAs we come to the end of the first half of our discussion, Conner tells us how he balances the functionality of UX with the distinctiveness of audio branding. “There should be a level of cohesion across the experience,” he explains. “But there should also be levels of distinction. So a welcome sound for an in-car experience could be very soft and inviting, whereas, like, for a collision sound, it can’t be soft. You know, it has to be kind of in your face.” We talk about the value of silence, and how knowing when not to make a sonic impression can be as important as making one. “There’s a lot of power in simplicity and silence,” he says. “That is the biggest takeaway of my time in this space.”Episode SummaryConnor discusses his first experiences with sound and sonic branding.We explore how sonic branding has become more intentional over the years.Our discussion turns to the need for thoughtful, pleasing soundscapes.Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about the latest developments in AI-driven neural voices, Connor’s pioneering work at Google Glass and on State Farm’s famous sonic logo, and how companies that don’t necessarily need a musical jingle can still take advantage of an audio brand.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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Making Your Mark in the Music Industry: A Conversation with Jesse Flores – Part 2
Mar 1800:19:34Tap to summarize“I think, you know, what I mentioned before would really apply, and that’s sit down and really come up with a plan over the next twelve months. What do I want to do? Do I want to release a single every month or maybe it’s a couple of singles leading up to an EP and then actually execute that. And, you know, at the same time, be consistent. You don’t want to be an artist that puts out a few tracks and then, you know, goes away for about four years and tries to come back and do it again, because you’re going to have to really start over. I mean, there’s just too much out there, you know, to consume that, you know, you’re going to lose a lot of your fan base if you don’t engage with them. You have to consistently engage with the fan base, consistently release music and devise a plan, like I said, for each of the platforms so you can gauge and analyze exactly what’s working and what’s not. So the next time you put something out, you know what to do.” – Jesse FloresThis episode is the second half of my conversation with Vice President of Artist and Label Partnerships at Intercept Music Jesse Flores, as we talk about how Intercept Records is balancing AI advances and human creativity, his thoughts on what music genres might take off next, and why rushing to upload your next single might not be the best long-term strategy for building a fan base.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – AI in Music MarketingOur conversation picks up as Jesse talks about how Intercept is putting AI to use for its clients without undermining its artists. “We definitely support AI when it comes to a marketing tool,” he explains, “[but] content creation, not so much, because we really support human-made content that has some soul put behind it, an actual human behind it.” He also offers his advice to musicians on social media. “You have to consistently engage with their fan base, consistently release music and devise a plan,” he says, “for each of the platforms so you can gauge and analyze exactly what’s working.”(9:30) – Strategies for Emerging ArtistsJesse tells us where he sees the future of music heading, and whether AI music could someday become a genre of its own. “Talent is a priority,” he says. “You know, you’ve got to have talent if you’re an artist nowadays. I think that’s always been the case since day one. Making music that is timeless, making music that is undeniable… that’s what’s going to keep you in this for the long run.” As our conversation comes to a close, he shares his thoughts on the power of sound, and what artists can do to help set themselves apart from the background noise. “There are different points and moments in your life when you hear a song,” he tells us, “[and] you know what you were doing when you first heard it, or, you know, it brings back memories of this person that you were dating at the time, or where you were or who your friends were. Like, it’s just always going to be there for me.”Episode SummaryExploring the benefits and challenges of AI in marketing versus music creation.Jesse offers his advice on building a music career and engaging with fans.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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The Psychology of Sound in Marketing: A Conversation with Jesse Flores – Part 1
Mar 1100:20:31Tap to summarize“What can we do to make that number a thousand? That’s the kind of stuff we really focus on. We have tools and analytics within our dashboard to kind of help guide you with that and provide insight onto what strategies are needed to get to that place. But also, I think what makes a lot of sense is to have the right team around you for independent artists. You’ve got to have a really good manager, obviously a great distributor, a good entertainment lawyer, a good publicist, and a good online marketing and social media strategist. If you have those five people in your camp, you’re off to good start.” – Jesse FloresThis week’s guest was recently named VP, Artist and Label Partnerships at Intercept Music. He’s a seasoned music industry executive with over two decades of experience in business development, artist partnerships and label relations, and, as Senior Director of Label and Business Development at Virgin Music Group, he played a pivotal role in securing and managing relationships with high-profile artists and independent labels, working with artists such as Stephen Marley, Slum Village, Carla Morrison, Dax and more. With a background in both tech and sound, he’s built tools that treat music not just as art but as a powerful business asset.His name is Jesse Flores, and in this episode, we’ll be talking about what it really means for artists to own their sound, why marketing is part of the creative process, and how the right tools can help great music get the recognition it deserves.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – Jesse’s Journey into the Music BusinessOur conversation starts off with Jesse’s early memories of sound, particularly an unforgettable concert when he was a child. “It was my first concert ever,” he recalls. “I was seven years old, and it was the Jacksons’ Victory Tour. Obviously, at the time, Michael Jackson was probably the biggest artist in the planet. And I was young, but I was a fan.” He shares his professional journey, from music student to music executive in Los Angeles, and how narrowly he avoided an early career pitfall. “I really had a good time to, you know, sit down and think about it and weigh the pros and cons,” he explains, recalling a job transfer that would’ve sent him across the country. “And, at the end of the day, I decided to stay in L.A., which was a blessing and the right decision because if I’d moved to Miami, I probably would have lost my job in the next year or two because they closed that office down.”(9:45) – Working with Independent ArtistsJesse tells us more about his work at Universal and what goes into building an up-and-coming musician’s brand. “We had a team just nationwide of people where, you know, they bring them into our market and we were the experts in our region,” he says. “So we knew exactly where to take them, what stations made the most sense, what retailers were really supporting them, where we were selling the records.” He talks about his transition from Universal to Intercept records and explains how he’s still leveraging his connections to help indie artists. “Any artist that was coming off their major label deal but still wanted to release music,” he tells us, “we gave them that opportunity to do that, and not only just put out their music and using our pipes, but also have major label services.”(13:00) – Rising Above the Digital NoiseJesse and I take a closer look at social media, and the double-edged sword that music platforms can represent for musicians who are just starting out. “Anybody can release music,” he says, “so there’s just so much clutter out there, you kind of have to sift through it. And in order to rise above the noise, I think the key thing is to have a good distribution partner.” We discuss which platforms are the best choices for artists, and his strategies for helping bands find success. “Not everybody is gonna perform as well as some other platform,” he says. “One might have great success on YouTube, but not so much on Spotify and Apple Music. So what we want to do is sit down with the artists, figure out what they’ve done up to this point, and what we can do to really augment what they’ve been doing.”Episode SummaryJesse discusses his lifelong progression from music fan to music industry insider.His strategies for helping independent artists succeed via social media.We discuss whether live performances are still important in the digital age.Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as Jesse shares his thoughts on AI, why consistency is key for both new and established artists, and his tips for standing out from the musical crowd.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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Standing Out in the Age of AI Music: A Conversation with Jastin Artis – Part 2
Mar 400:37:30Tap to summarize“In this age of AI and, you knew I was going to go here at some point, so how can an artist differentiate themselves now that AI can basically create music with the push of a button? Like, it’s hard. It was hard before, and now we have this to worry about. I think you touched on it maybe indirectly earlier in the connection, the spirit of creating and being a human. I think it is the dopest superpower that we have, and I do believe that everyone has it. It’s just, you know, what level it’s in, but just because it’s not, like, music or visual art or dance or something doesn’t mean you’re not creative.” – Jastin ArtisThis episode is the second half of my conversation with artist, producer, and creative sound leader and founder of A&R in Your Pocket Jastin Artis, as we talk about what musicians need to know when they’re starting out as professionals, whether record deals still matter in the digital music scene, and how AI, from digital assistants to licensed voice cloning, is reshaping the industry.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – Navigating the Fine PrintWe start the second half of our conversation with a focus on some of the lingo of the music industry, such as PRO, short for performance rights organization, payments. “That’s how you get paid royalties on the back end,” Jastin explains. “You might hear that phrase, right? For when your stuff is played on these different avenues and, you know, obviously streaming.” We talk about split sheets and how payments are divided in a group, and the importance of figuring things out ahead of time. “It’s easy if it’s just you, which I know most of us are often doing, right?” he says. “But you have your producer, maybe you have another songwriter, that’s three people. You wanna make sure you have your equally splits or whatever share… you guys agree to. Do not do that after the song is out.”(13:13) - Creativity in the Age of AIThe conversation shifts to building the foundation for musical success early and the challenge of starting out in the industry. “There’s people obviously we’ve seen in music that are A-list artists because they did have the team,” he tells us. “But if you talk to them in the beginning, they didn’t know what they were doing. They felt like they could figure it out, and they did.” He shares how AI has changed his workflow and approach to music, and his confidence that the human touch isn’t going away anytime soon. “We still have to just believe in, like, the human aspect of what we do,” Jastin says. “That can’t ever go away. I don’t care, regardless of what is happening now, what could happen. It just, and maybe that’s just my belief, that’s just where I’m gonna keep my eyes on the prize.”(28:55) - Human Connections in MusicOur discussion comes to a close as Jastin tells us how listeners can get in touch and what he’s working on right now, including a leadership coaching program. “It’s a 12-week program that’s centered around being sync-ready,” he explains. “Like, that’s a big thing that I’m leading with, and we’ll continue now that I’ve seen how it works. And, I know I’m still learning too, but man, I’m getting paid for beats that I made in, like, 2006.” He also shares his latest musical successes, including his upcoming album. “There will be new music coming,” he says. “Probably not by the end of [2025], but… I’m working on my thirteenth album. That’s kind of like, wow, I can’t even believe I’m saying that.”Episode SummaryJasten shares his insights on forming a strong musical career foundation.Our discussion on how AI and the digital music scene has affected musicians.Jasten’s thoughts on the necessity of human creativity amidst AI growth.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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