In this meeting of The Late Diagnosis Club, Dr Angela Kingdon welcomes Jenna Goldstein, a late-diagnosed Autistic school psychologist who left the public education system after recognising its incompatibility with neurodiversity-affirming practice.

Jenna first recognised her own autism after her three-year-old daughter was identified. As she turned to Autistic voices for understanding, what began as advocacy for her child became a deeper self-recognition. Within months, she self-identified, and years later sought a formal diagnosis from an Autistic evaluator to connect more dots and model an Autistic identity for her children.

This is a conversation about human rights, blueprint-building, leaving systems that harm, and crafting lives that actually work for autistic nervous systems.

🪑 Attendees

Chair: Dr Angela Kingdon — Author, community-builder, and Autistic advocate

Guest: Jenna Goldstein — late-diagnosed Autistic school psychologist; founder of ND3

You: The Listener!

🗒️ Meeting Agenda

Opening remarks from the Chair
Member introduction: Daughter’s diagnosis and late self-recognition
Discussion: School psychology training and harmful autism narratives
Unspoken agendas: Budgets, bias, and gatekeeping in public schools
“Developmental delay” and the myth of the model child
Leaving public schools and building ND3
Neurodiversity-affirming family support
Designing sustainable neurodivergent homes

🧾 Minutes from the Meeting

1️⃣ Opening Remarks

Angela introduces Jenna as a late-diagnosed Autistic school psychologist who recognised her own neurodivergence through parenting, and who ultimately left the public school system after concluding it was structurally incompatible with neurodiversity-affirming values.

2️⃣ Member Introduction: Jenna’s Story

Jenna first encountered autism when her three-year-old daughter was identified. Dissatisfied with deficit-based descriptions, she sought understanding directly from Autistic adults. As she read first hand accounts, she recognised herself.

She self-identified within six months and later pursued a formal diagnosis with autism, not out of doubt, but to deepen understanding and model Autistic identity for her children.

3️⃣ Discussion Highlights

Autistic recognition: Learning from Autistic voices instead of textbooks
Medical model critique: Rejecting “defective human” narratives
Unspoken pressures: Budget constraints influencing eligibility decisions
Gatekeeping language: “Developmental delay” as catch-all category
System limits: Realising change from within has ceilings
Private practice shift: Leaving public schools for ND3
Human rights lens: Equal dignity for neurodivergent children
Family sustainability: Peaks, valleys, flexibility, and regulation planning
Blueprint building: Co-creating neurodivergent life models

4️⃣ Key Learnings

Listening to autistic voices changes everything
Training does not guarantee understanding
Systems can be well-intentioned and still harmful
Budget pressures quietly shape access to support
Neutral framing reduces shame and blame
Autistic pride is pride in humanity, not productivity
Not all systems can be changed from within
Sustainable lives require intentional design
You are allowed to leave what harms you

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