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Greg Kilstrom
Welcome to the B2B Agility Podcast where we look at the factors that drive success in B2B marketing with a focus on the people, processes, data and platforms that make B2B brands stand out and thrive in a competitive marketplace. I'm your host, Greg Kilstrom, advising Fortune 1000 brands on MarTech marketing operations and CX best selling Author and speaker. I'm excited to share this episode again. It aired a little while ago, but I thought it was worth replaying. Hope you enjoy. Now let's get on to the show. Today we're going to talk about using personalization to create more engaging and inspiring stories for B2B brands. To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome Tiffany Grinstead, Vice President, Personal Lines Marketing at Nationwide Insurance. Tiffany, welcome to the show.
Tiffany Grinstead
Thank you so much for having me.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, really looking forward to this conversation. Why don't we get started with you giving a little background on yourself as well as what you're currently doing in your role at Nationwide Insurance?
Tiffany Grinstead
Absolutely. Well, you know, I have had the opportunity to work across a vast array of financial services and insurance pieces of our industry. Retirement plans, annuities, life insurance, and then across many of the different kinds of insurance that exists in the property casualty space. And today I lead our personal lines insurance marketing for Nationwide and I focus on working with independent agency partners, which is where fairly substantial amount of our business comes from, to help them reach customers with auto and homeowners, powersports, different kinds of insurance solutions. And then we also have a direct to consumer operation as well for personal lines that we work through.
Greg Kilstrom
Great. Great. Well, yeah, let's, let's dive in here and let's get started by talking about meaningful personalization in a B2B marketing environment. So first I think it would help for you to maybe describe some of the types of marketing that you and your team do. I know you briefly touched on it, but if you could go into a little more detail and how does greater personalization benefit?
Tiffany Grinstead
Absolutely. When you think about we are driving the whole marketing experience through the funnel. We work with our independent insurance agencies and the entities, brokers and large partnerships that they work within to get shelf space for our products within those agencies to work with the folks who sell those products and make decisions about individual customers and what they'll receive to help them select the right product. We work on segmentation, we work on strategy and messaging. We work really closely around the products that we bring to market in the future from a solutions development perspective, looking at customer insights and research. And we really work in this space of really understanding what data is telling us about where a given person, be they an intermediary, an insurance agent, let's say, or a producer or a customer service rep within one of those insurance agencies, or be they a consumer who's choosing to speak and buy through an insurance agency, or be they a consumer who's maybe doing their research online or wanting wanting to talk to an insurance company more directly. We look across the whole journey and we look for those moments that matter that data Gives us. Because really the key to personalization in both B2B and B2C is is it the right message at the right moment to get the right action? And in order to understand that, you have to understand the many different iterations that a customer journey can take. You have to understand the data in terms of which of those are the most important. And how can you both personalize the message, but also the medium and the moment so that that person is ready to take an action. Be that a customer service representative within an agency getting information that they need at the right moment to help them understand why they should be writing or retaining a product with you, or be that a consumer in a key moment of research, finding exactly what they need to tell them why nationwide is going to meet their needs. So personalization is just a tool to get that right call to action into that right moment where it's the most likely to work.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah. I mean, I love how you describe both what personalization is as well as what you just said as far as putting it in context is that it needs to serve the right goals and the right outcomes as well. As you mentioned, there's several things. I mean, definitely personalization takes great data. It takes coordination, it takes a lot of pieces. As you just described, where do teams often run into roadblocks when trying to coordinate all of these pieces? All of these things?
Tiffany Grinstead
I think the first roadblocks often come in the data space. Everyone has data. The question is, can you get to your data? Can you pull your data together so that it shows you insights? Can you do something with those insights? Is your data able to be taken out of legacy systems in a correct way that's both legal and makes sense, doable and all of those kind of pieces and parts and understanding the different kinds of data. So we know there's first party data. We've had an industry that's built on a lot of second party data, a lot of using data from other sources externally, which is great. A lot of the marketing industry is built on that. And yet we know there's still that cookie less future looming.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
That may make that more difficult. So folks are leaning more into zero party data. And you know, how do I get people to not only give me data, but give me permission to use that data in ways that to them make their lives better? That's really the heart of it. Right. So data is the first obstacle and it's not a small one. Depending on for large organizations, it can be hard to get all of the pieces connected together in the Right way. And for small organizations, it can be cost prohibitive to tap into it at all. So, you know, there's different challenges that come with data throughout every piece of that process. And then once you sort of can, can understand the data, contextualizing it within the customer journey is the next obstacle for a lot of folks, I think it's a step that often gets skipped. It's not enough to just kind of understand the data point, but the data point has to be in the context of how, how are the various ways that people come through, let's say, a buying process or a retention process or a rebuying process with you and what are those sort of key moments and how does that connect with what the data is telling you?
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, and along those lines, then, you know, there's, to your point, there's, there's no shortage of data in any, in any organization, but particularly large ones. And, but you know, totally agree that the, with the order of priority and just how difficult it can sometimes be to get that. But, you know, assuming that, you know, an organization has solved some, at least some of those data challenges and understands the customer journey, there's also a lot of decisions that need to get made about, you know, what do you personalize, how do you personalize it? When you know, how much is too much, Perhaps even, you know, so what have you seen or, you know, what is your thinking regarding, you know, when, how, why do you personalize content? And maybe even, you know, when do you not do that?
Tiffany Grinstead
You know, I think too, it, when you sort of go into that answer, the answers are different in B2B and B2C.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
So if you think about B2C, often the content is deeply personal that we're trying to sort of tap into. And so you have to sort of weigh the questions of does this improve the customer's life in some way? Does it, does the cost of them noticing that I've personalized this make their, is it make their life easier or does it creep them out? Right. So you're, you're constantly weighing those touch points and you're optimizing that. You're hopefully doing test and learns. You're hopefully getting, you know, your, your segmentation has hopefully told you a lot about the people that you're trying to target. So that when you start to get one to one within that segmentation, you have a lot of insights about what they will or won't be comfortable with.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
On the B2B side, you have sort of two forces at work. One, you know, the Thing I think we often miss, which is that B2B buyers are human beings. So, you know, crazy. I know, I know there are personalization opportunities there that I sometimes think are missed because we sort of fail to see that, you know, what are these people's interests? What do they care about? What are they passionate about? And you do have to walk a line with that where you don't want to, you know, sort of seem like you're, you're knowing too much about someone at work, but you do want to humanize them. And then there's, you know, all the things that B2B buyers do within the process. And so where you can really lean into personalization is one, where are you making it easier for them? Because if I can make your work day easier, that's pretty universally a good thing. Nobody goes to work and thinks, I'd like to have a lot of complicated processes to deal with today.
Greg Kilstrom
Absolutely, yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
So, you know, that's a great filter. And then as you look, look at sort of your buying points, you know, this is where in the B2B space, it's really important for sales and marketing to be two sides of the same coin. So what I personalize should also help an organization figure out where it's more expensive. Distribution and sales resources can spend their time to be the most effective so that the personalized marketing touch points can be there when they're not to carry forward the relationship and then identify critical moments where that human B2B buyer really would benefit in getting them to the call to action from that right conversation at the right moment. And I think it's that integrated optimization that often gets missed.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, completely agree. And I like how you characterize. I think it is. It's a relatively straightforward idea, But I think B2B marketers sometimes forget that we're all B2C consumers when we clock out, so to speak. So I think it's an important thing to understand. And one more thing along this track of talking about personalization here, one of the challenges that certainly I've run into. I work with enterprise customers a lot and, you know, personalization is certainly top of mind. But often there becomes bandwidth, resource, you know, you name it issues as far from a scaling perspective. So, you know, if you solve the data challenges, if you solve some of the, some of the other challenges we already discussed, then it comes down to, okay, well, who's, who's writing all these variations for all these different segments or however things are split up. And then we've got multivariate testing, we've got all of these other things. So the work kind of compounds. How do you look at personalization in terms of maybe a cost benefit of scaling due to personalization versus maybe holding back? How do you see that as well as, where do you see automation, AI and some of these other things coming to play there as well?
Tiffany Grinstead
Yeah, you know, I think about it as, for the longest time, marketing meant you sort of sat down, you understood the problem. You, you, you, you want to drive sort of through the funnel, right? These folks, you're going to have a campaign, it's going to be focused on awareness, consideration, you know, trial purchase, right. The campaign is going to have different tactics that live in different parts of the funnel, especially in the B2C space. In the B2B space, maybe you're going to really drive campaigns at the top two steps of the funnel or the top three, and then count on sales to kind of take people along the line to purchase, depending on the B2B product you're selling. And you're going to kind of rinse and repeat, right? You're going to create these campaigns, you're going to test and learn, and you're going to create a new campaign, test and learn that one. And I think what's different to me as you think about what personalization can do when you pair it with the right technology, platform and automation and just some of the amazing, almost magical things that technology can do for you today. And AI is a piece of that. But there's a number of other things, from robotics to other technology solutions that are available within platforms that can help you. Yeah, you create always on programs that live at different parts of your journey and you create them and then you use the technology to create the variations. And you're always running multivariate testing. You're always testing them, you're always optimizing them. You're always learning something from what that data is telling you, which might tell you sort of the next thing that you need to create. That's always on. And pretty soon you're running a system of marketing where you're, it's always running, right? You're, you're adding and subtracting because you're always testing. But it's just a completely different mindset for how you think about the marketing. So that it's not, you know, I ran 12 campaigns this year and each campaign individually had X results. But it's, this is my system of always on marketing. If that's personalized, where it needs to be personalized and, you know, you have to ask yourself, you personalization can take a lot of different facets, right? It can be just as simple as knowing the right moment to talk to you about a certain thing in the B2B buying journey. It can be that your data tells you that if at this particular moment this buyer receives this particular message in this particular manner, they're going to be two times more likely to close. Right? That's a real simple. It doesn't feel personalized, but in B2B it really is because it's coming out of that data. Right. Or it can be layered into deeper levels of personalization. Is it role based personalization? Do I know you're a customer service rep? Is it geographically customized? Do I understand, let's say in insurance that you're in a certain part of the country where it's very wildfire prone. So simply showing you the right wildfire messages at the right time for you to be able to take the appropriate action to keep your home safe or to have your clients keep their home safe, right?
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
Or it can be very personal and simple things like your name. Right. Or more complex things like a clear understanding of what you look at, that that you're extremely interested in a topic and that we understand that from the time you spend on our website and so we're going to serve you up. The next level of content is that we know that you completed a training and that we know that 50% of people who complete that particular training, if served up another set of messages, are more likely to sell our product to the next person that walks through their door. You know, so personalization in the B2B space doesn't always have to feel the same way that it feels in the B2C space in terms of that me as a person. But it can.
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Tiffany Grinstead
I think that when a sales team feels like their marketing team is with them day to day.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
There's a greater level of partnership. And what that means is the marketing is deeply embedded in having the same goals that the sales team has. So you're not running your own plays.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
It means spending the time to test and learn and pilot and prove out that marketing can be more than the brochure shop. Right.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, I've heard that one before. Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
There's really, there's no reason for a sales team to input information in the CRM that they see of only a value to marketing. If they don't see that come coming out of that is a value back to them.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
So they, they need to understand and be part of the creation process of the, the marketing. So you know, we don't go off and create these personalized campaigns as part of the journey or these personalized, we call them nur paths. We don't, that are always on. We don't create those and then say, hey sales, here's how it's working. We have an integrated team actually across sales, product and marketing that co create so that we're really looking at our full go to market. What is it that we want to accomplish? What is it that we want people to know? Who are the people are we targeting correctly? We'll build that targeting together, we'll look at the data together. We'll, we'll even sort of workshop the messaging together. And then we'll build this sales process together that says, you know, if this, this person. I'll give you an example. Insurance agents, they use a comparative rater to just kind of see the different rates that different insurance companies might be offering. We understand from being really integrated both with our agency force and with our sales teams that a given customer service rep or producer will look at that comparative rater and typically select their insurance company out of the top 3 best prices based on other things they know. Right?
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
So we're going to use that data to understand what happens when we are in the top three, but we're not getting selected. How do I capture that and create a targeted marketing experience to help somebody understand reasons why they might want to bind with us or how they could configure that comparative rate or differently to get more information. And then at the right moment, our sales teams will know. This is somebody that is ready to have a conversation with you about this. And the technology is built collaboratively so that we put in the information so that our sales team can see what their partners are interacting with. So if they get a reactive call, they're ready and all the right talking points are embedded in the system for them, but also so that they know that right moment to have a proactive conversation.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, yeah, that's, I think that's, that's a great approach. Last thing I wanted to talk about with you here, going back a little bit to data, but to bring in the topic of AI a little bit more here, you know, we're certainly, you know, last year, 2023, I think, I don't think I had a single interview on my show that we didn't talk about AI to some degree. There's certainly lots of good reasons for that. But you know, how do you see, you know, we're talking about personalization, we're talking about data requirements, certainly you know, you and many others work in highly regulated industries. So there's, you know, there's data, there's ethical, you know, issues to work out as well. But, you know, assuming that AI is not only here to stay, but continuing to grow in its use in marketing and other parts of the org, how do you recommend that, you know, B2B marketing leaders and managers think about training and coaching their human teams to be most successful where in an era where AI based tools are again going to grow in prominence and potentially take over some aspects of their team's roles.
Tiffany Grinstead
Yeah, I think AI is like any other tool, really important and is going to grow in importance. You know, for us, our legal and our ethics partners are our number one partners. So I would first make sure that nobody's kind of out playing with these tools without being in really close lockstep with their legal and ethics partners within their organizations. Had an opportunity to spend some time at Content Marketing World. They had like a, it was a conference and they had sort of a tent where you could sort of sit all day and different AI experts came through and different people who were using AI and marketing came through and just, I spent the entire day just in that one seat having 15 people parade through. Some were AI providers, some were just marketing practitioners who were experimenting with using AI. And I think what I heard throughout was that everyone is in the use case place with AI right now, which is to really sit back and say, what, what are the places that we think AI can help us? And then how do we create, alongside our legal and technology partners, use cases that allow us to try and to learn. And I think it's just going to be an acceleration as we move through different kinds of use cases. How is AI a tool? There are some people who will say, oh, it's going to replace this role or that role. Other people will say, the more we get into use cases, the more we see it actually is just going to make the people who do that role more efficient or more effective. You know, it's an interesting thing, right, because the engine that a lot of modern marketing runs on is content. So you know, when we talk about all these different marketing, the data, the campaigns, the different iterations, ultimately it's content, content, content, right. And I can create a lot of content, but it can also create a lot of very generic content which saturates then the marketplace. So I think this question of how do you use AI as a tool to create differentiated content with the marriage of marketing expertise and marketing people and the ways in which the tool makes you more efficient, more effective. I think that's. That's the future.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, Yeah, I definitely agree. I mean, I look at AI as an augmentation, not. There may be some roles out there that get replaced, but maybe arguable that those roles, if they can be so easily replaced, there might have been worth rethinking those from the start. But I think for the most part, it's augmenting, it's helping, and it's helping humans where machines work better and letting humans do more of what humans do better. Right. That kind of, you know, just to kind of follow up on the. The content piece of this. You know, I. I've had a conversation about this recently as well, but, you know, I. I feel like with AI's ability to create so much content, I think you're. You're absolutely right. There is going to be a lot more, let's call it, mediocre content created over the next. Already last year there definitely was. I'm sure that's going to continue. Just because anything that becomes so easy, all of a sudden, there's going to be more of it. It almost brings us back to the value of content. Great content is going to be more and more important than ever, as opposed to just getting stuff out there so you can ideally reach an audience. I mean, would you say that's true as far as, you know, focusing on. On creating great content?
Tiffany Grinstead
I do. And I think, you know, if you think about it, you create a certain number of pieces of really highly expert great content, and then what AI, I think, can help you do is put those. That content into different mediums.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
So we can have a great podcast conversation and perhaps, you know, somewhere in here there's a great piece of content or two, we hope, right?
Greg Kilstrom
I think so, yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
Maybe AI can take that conversation we had and put it into several different formats, faster and easier, and so that becomes just a tool versus maybe having someone sit down and listen to this and kind of type it up and summarize it. Right.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah.
Tiffany Grinstead
But to actually come up with the unique ideas, at least right now, I don't know that that's. That's the role that AI has been built for.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, completely agree. Well, Tiffany, thanks so much for joining the show. I've got one last question before we wrap up here. You've given a lot of great insights, a lot of great advice already, but what's one recommendation you have for B2B marketers to stay agile in the months ahead?
Tiffany Grinstead
I think the most important thing is that close, close relationship with your distribution and your product partner. So, you know, really understanding the struggles that they're having and being able to kind of integrate those back into your personalization program together. That I think is going to be even more important as technology makes maybe some of the more rote parts of our jobs a little easier, a little faster. It's going to be who can kind of lead in that thinking space and be agile with how you point those technologies because of the strength of what you understand about what your organization is trying to achieve.
Greg Kilstrom
Yeah, I love that. Well, again, I'd like to thank Tiffany Grinstead, Vice President, Personal Lines Marketing at Nationwide Insurance, for joining the show. You can learn more about Tiffany and Nationwide Insurance by following the links in the show notes. Thanks again for listening to the B2B Agility podcast. If you enjoyed the show, please take a minute to subscribe and leave us a rating so that others can find the show more easily. You can access access more episodes of the show at www.b2bagility.com. That's b2bagility.com while you're there, check out my series of best selling agile brand guides covering a wide variety of marketing technology topics. Or you can search for Greg Kilstrom on Amazon. Until next time, stay focused and stay agile.
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Podcast Summary: B2B Agility with Greg Kihlström™ Episode #48: REPLAY: B2B Brand Stories with Tiffany Grinstead, Nationwide Insurance
Podcast Information:
In Episode #48 of B2B Agility, host Greg Kihlström engages in a comprehensive discussion with Tiffany Grinstead from Nationwide Insurance. The conversation centers around leveraging personalization in B2B marketing, overcoming associated challenges, integrating marketing with sales, and the evolving role of AI in the marketing landscape.
Timestamp: [02:29]
Greg begins by introducing Tiffany Grinstead, highlighting her extensive experience across various financial services and insurance sectors. Tiffany elaborates on her role at Nationwide Insurance, where she leads personal lines insurance marketing. Her focus lies in collaborating with independent agency partners to deliver auto, homeowners, powersports, and other insurance solutions. Additionally, she oversees Nationwide's direct-to-consumer operations for personal lines.
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Tiffany Grinstead: "We work on segmentation, strategy and messaging, closely around the products we bring to market, focusing on customer insights and research."
[02:41]
Timestamp: [03:55] - [06:21]
Greg steers the conversation towards meaningful personalization within B2B marketing environments. Tiffany emphasizes the importance of driving the entire marketing experience through the funnel by collaborating with independent agencies. She underscores the necessity of delivering the right message at the right moment, facilitated by deep data analysis and understanding customer journeys.
Key Points:
Quote:
Tiffany Grinstead: "The key to personalization... is the right message at the right moment to get the right action."
[05:15]
Timestamp: [06:54] - [08:57]
Tiffany identifies data as the primary obstacle in implementing effective personalization strategies. She discusses issues related to data accessibility, integration from legacy systems, and the transition towards zero-party data in a cookie-less future. Additionally, she highlights the difficulties in contextualizing data within customer journeys, stressing that understanding the data points in relation to the buying process is crucial.
Key Points:
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Tiffany Grinstead: "Data is the first obstacle and it's not a small one... how can you both personalize the message, but also the medium and the moment?"
[07:30]
Timestamp: [09:47] - [18:10]
The discussion delves into strategic approaches for personalization, distinguishing between B2B and B2C methodologies. Tiffany emphasizes that while B2C focuses on deeply personal content, B2B personalization should aim to humanize the buyer without overstepping. She outlines strategies such as role-based personalization, geographic customization, and leveraging behavioral data to enhance relevance without causing discomfort.
Key Points:
Notable Quotes:
Tiffany Grinstead: "B2B personalization is about making a person's workday easier without seeming intrusive."
[11:38]
Tiffany Grinstead: "Personalization in the B2B space doesn't always have to feel the same way that it feels in the B2C space."
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Timestamp: [20:48] - [24:08]
Greg raises the issue of marketing and sales alignment, highlighting common challenges such as incomplete CRM data due to competing priorities. Tiffany advocates for a collaborative approach where marketing and sales teams work in tandem, sharing goals and co-creating strategies. She underscores the importance of embedding marketing within the sales process to ensure data-driven and value-oriented interactions.
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Notable Quotes:
Tiffany Grinstead: "There's a greater level of partnership when marketing is deeply embedded in having the same goals that the sales team has."
[20:57]
Tiffany Grinstead: "We have an integrated team across sales, product, and marketing that co-create to look at our full go-to-market strategy."
[22:10]
Timestamp: [24:08] - [30:13]
The conversation shifts to the impact of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in marketing. Tiffany discusses AI as an augmentation tool rather than a replacement for human roles. She stresses the importance of ethical considerations and collaboration with legal teams when implementing AI solutions. Tiffany highlights AI's potential in automating content creation and facilitating multivariate testing, thereby enhancing efficiency and personalization without sacrificing quality.
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Tiffany Grinstead: "AI is like any other tool, really important and is going to grow in importance."
[25:23]
Tiffany Grinstead: "AI can help you put your great content into different mediums faster and easier."
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Timestamp: [30:29] - [31:12]
As the episode draws to a close, Tiffany offers actionable advice for B2B marketers aiming to maintain agility. She emphasizes the necessity of maintaining close relationships with distribution and product partners, understanding their challenges, and integrating feedback into personalization programs. Tiffany highlights the importance of leadership in adopting and directing technology to align with organizational goals, ensuring that marketers remain adaptive in a rapidly evolving landscape.
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Notable Quote:
Tiffany Grinstead: "The most important thing is that close relationship with your distribution and your product partner... lead in that thinking space and be agile with how you point those technologies."
[30:29]
Greg wraps up the episode by thanking Tiffany Grinstead for her valuable insights. He encourages listeners to explore more about Tiffany and Nationwide Insurance through the show notes and promotes additional resources, including the Agile Brand Guides series for further learning on critical marketing technology topics.
Final Quote:
Greg Kilstrom: "Thanks again for listening to the B2B Agility podcast. If you enjoyed the show, please take a minute to subscribe and leave us a rating."
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