"Baddie Baddie" from the Bronx with Ice Spice

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Baddie Baddie" from the Bronx with Ice Spice

Podcast: Baby, This is Keke Palmer
Host: Keke Palmer
Guest: Ice Spice
Release Date: September 16, 2025
Platform: Wondery

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Brief Overview

This episode of "Baby, This is Keke Palmer" dives deep into the life, artistry, and personality of Bronx-bred rap sensation Ice Spice. Keke Palmer sits down with the rapper for a lively, honest conversation covering Ice Spice’s roots, rise to fame, process, family, resilience, collaborations, and identity. The two connect over their shared love of music, unique upbringings, and being relentless in their pursuit of authenticity and joy. The episode seamlessly transitions from lighthearted games and vulnerable reflections to discussions on career milestones, leaving listeners with a multifaceted portrait of one of hip hop’s most compelling new stars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Ice Spice’s Early Life & Family Influence

• The Family Dynamic
  • Ice Spice (Isis Nyjah Gaston) grew up in the Bronx with a Dominican mom (Sharina) and a rapper father (Joseph Gaston), both of whom had her at a young age.
  • Quote [07:18]: “Because she had me so young... it gives sisters.” – Ice Spice
  • Parents divorced early but lived close enough for her to move easily between the two homes.
  • She’s the eldest of several siblings, often feeling responsible and building leadership skills through caregiving.
• Artistic Inspiration
  • Early exposure to her father's music and his behind-the-scenes promo work sparked her interest in music and performance.
  • Started writing “little liners” and poetry at age 7; didn’t record in the studio until age 20.
  • Heavily influenced by Nicki Minaj, “the first female rapper I ever seen.” She also cites Lil Kim, Fabulous, Jadakiss, and a general “NY blend” of hip hop.

School and Childhood

• Educational Background
  • Attended Catholic school, which she describes as “uptight” but formative, and then SUNY Purchase (“an artsy college”).
  • Relished club activities and volleyball, which helped her socialize and develop a collaborative spirit.
  • Quote [12:38]: “I always like to be involved. I feel like that’s important.” – Ice Spice

The Come Up: Finding Her Voice & Stage Name

• Start in Music
  • Her producer, Riot, became a key collaborator after meeting at SUNY Purchase.
  • The name “Ice Spice” originated as a Finsta handle at age 14, co-created by her best friend Lucy.
  • “Munch” was released independently, initially with little expectation, but viral momentum and direct label interest followed.
  • Quote [21:15]: “I had no idea Munch was gonna do anything.” – Ice Spice
• Viral Moments and Major Collabs
  • Big moments include:
    • “Munch” viral moment (Drake co-sign)
    • “Boys a Liar Pt. 2” with PinkPantheress (“one of the fastest verses I did,” [22:31])
    • Multiple collaborations with Nicki Minaj (“It was insane, crazy, crazy.” [24:04])
    • Quality focus on every deal and project (“I wanted to get some more traction before signing just to feel like I did it first.” [20:31])

Navigating Fame & Self-Discovery

• Dealing with Public Perception
  • Reflects on public scrutiny and the cycles of love/hate in the industry – compares it to being “the new girl in school.”
  • Maintains mental health by disengaging from negativity:
    • Quote [50:42]: “The second my heart starts beating fast, I lock my phone. I’m not doing that.”
  • Credits her family and a close-knit circle of confidants as emotional anchors.
• Resilience and Rest
  • Open about needing time off for herself (“I was resting, taking a little nap… I need my beauty sleep.” [05:49])
  • Lesson: Values “take a break when you need it. Don’t burn out.” [52:31]

The Craft: Music, Collaboration, and Creativity

• Songwriting and Studio Process
  • Emphasizes beat selection and the collaborative process between artist and producer.
  • Likes music people can work out or dance to, and wants impact from the initial beat drop.
  • Enjoys when fans use her music as “hype” – “I like when people say they work out to my music.” [28:13]
• Musical Versatility
  • Embraces pop, hip hop, and genre blending, taking influence from the NYC soundscape.
  • Not afraid to “dabble in pop,” mentioning love for Coldplay, Ed Sheeran, and her connection with Taylor Swift.
  • On collaborations: prefers never forcing a “dream collab,” focusing on what feels natural and sounds good ([33:36], [34:54]):
    • “I care more that it like sounds good.”

Fashion, Brand, and Image

• Personal Style
  • Childhood uniform restrictions led to later fashion exploration, especially after high school.
  • Known for signature ginger curls but now experimenting, “I really got attached to my ginger hair… Now I want to switch it up” [49:27]
  • Sees fashion as branding: “I wanted you to be able to tell right away, ‘It’s me.’ Because by the ginger.” [49:45]

Relationships & Sexuality

• Openness and Boundaries
  • Publicly identifies as bisexual but acknowledges her private approach to relationships “I try to keep it private… but then I’m at the grocery store and now it’s not private.” [36:09]
  • Shares reflections on dating NFL player Sauce Gardner (“He’s cute and he had a good job. Love that.” [37:55])
• Self-Care in Love
  • At this stage, prioritizes herself: “Right now I’m just really focused on, like, me. So I always put me first. That’s what it’s like dating me.” [39:19]

Major Moments & Milestones

• Accolades & Firsts
  • Grammy nominations (validated for industry impact and artistry)
  • “Barbie” soundtrack with Nicki Minaj
  • First performance at Coachella (“I was processing it during Coachella because I was like, whoa, there’s a lot of people here, girl.” [45:19])
  • International surprises, like Paris crowd energy: “I would redo that show if I could.” [42:43]
  • Handling adversity, like onstage booing in Vienna – responded with grace, not realizing it in real-time ([44:00])

Acting & Expanding Her Brand

• Film Debut
  • Cast in Spike Lee’s "Highest To Lowest" alongside Denzel Washington: “I just was gagging that whole time… From the moment I got the call.” [47:50]
  • Acting piqued her interest, but music remains the main focus.

Looking Ahead: The Next Era

• New Releases & Era
  • Recently dropped "Baddie Baddie" as a personal and artistic statement, signaling new music and collaborations (including with Latto).
  • Fresh creative direction (“It grew on me, though. At first I was like, I don’t know, but then now I like it.” [29:46])
  • Keeps fans at the center—though fans “will tell you the opposite. They will tell you I never speak to them.” [31:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fame Cycles:

  • “You get there, you’re like the new girl, and then it’s like everyone’s obsessed… then when you’re doing good, they start hating…” – Ice Spice [26:29]

• On Career Motivation:

  • “It is the best job I ever had, for sure. And it’s also so fun… like a dream.” – Ice Spice [27:02]

• On Industry Success:

  • “For mine specifically, I think it was a mixture of just, like, faith, trust and pixie dust. For real.” – Ice Spice [34:54]

• On Boundaries and Rest:

  • “I learned that it’s very important to take a break when you need it. Don’t burn out.” – Ice Spice [52:31]

• On Authenticity:

  • “Whatever happens for you naturally is what you should just go with.” – Ice Spice [32:38]

• On Handling Negativity:

  • “Why would I sit there and let my heart beat fast when I could just lock my phone?” – Ice Spice [50:42]

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Important Timestamps

• Early Vibes & Collaborations: Ice Spice details her connection with Latto and how “Get” came about – [01:47]
• Family & Roots: Growing up with young parents, feeling more like “sisters” with her mom – [06:46 – 07:23]
• Music Start & Inspirations: Early freestyles and poetry, meeting Riot, and Nicki Minaj influence – [13:10 – 15:00]
• Going Viral & Deal-Making: The birth of “Munch” and managing record label deals – [20:31]
• Dealing with Fame: Learning from cycles of attention and critique – [25:57 – 26:58]
• Working with Nicki Minaj: How their collaborations came together, and why signing didn’t work out – [24:24 – 25:19]
• Pop Culture Crossover: Thoughts on collaborating with Taylor Swift and pop influences – [32:14 – 33:12]
• Touring & International Fame: Surprises on tour, especially in Paris – [42:16]
• Handling Public Moments (Vienna): How she handled being booed during a performance – [44:00]
• Brand & Style (Ginger Hair): Attachment and intentionality of her look – [49:12 – 50:01]
• Rest & Self-Care: Importance of taking breaks to avoid burnout – [52:31]
• Bodega Game: Lighthearted borough-themed game reveals her New York roots and food favorites – [53:17]

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Tone & Atmosphere

Keke Palmer and Ice Spice bring playful, candid, and real energy to the conversation. The tone is a blend of big-sister banter, deep reflection, and celebration of growing up and coming into one’s own—mirroring both hosts' and guest’s authentic personalities. There’s a strong current of humor (occasional side jokes, Bronx pride, candid reactions to memes and celebrity culture), but also moments of genuine wisdom and insight for young artists, fans of hip hop, and those navigating the tension between public visibility and personal boundaries.

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Recap

If you want to truly “meet” Ice Spice, this episode delivers: from the story behind her viral success to her wellness routines, family bonds, music philosophy, challenges in the public eye, and aspirations in and outside of hip hop. Listeners hear candid anecdotes, advice for young dreamers, and behind-the-scenes details of star moments and tough lessons alike.
It’s a portrait in ambition, resilience, and fun—that classic NYC blend—served up by two dynamic cultural icons.

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Summary by PodcastGPT
All timestamps in MM:SS format. All insights derived from direct episode transcript and original host/guest language.

Transcript

[Keke Palmer]

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[Ice Spice]

Bx.

[Keke Palmer]

That's the initials, right? Bx. That's what I was saying.

[Ice Spice]

Period. Bx.

[Keke Palmer]

Thank you for coming to the show. How are you feeling?

[Ice Spice]

I'm good. Thank you for having me. I'm excited.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. Well, I'm glad you did the pre show. Pull up so I can get into your mind before we get into the show. Okay. So today I'm giving pretty. Absolutely. With the side of.

[Ice Spice]

Thank you.

[Keke Palmer]

We love. I love to just give the girls what they need with the today's mood. In one word, peachy. I love that. Peachy. That feels very sweet.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

But also the hair is very peachy.

[Ice Spice]

I think that's where I got it from. I was sitting in front of the mirror when I wrote that, period.

[Keke Palmer]

She was like, let me look at me. Mirror, mirror on the wall. Okay, what did you listen to on the right here?

[Ice Spice]

3:00Am um, Don Toliver just dropped.

[Keke Palmer]

Don Toliver is so good. Yeah, I love his music. I don't know what type of bag he gets into, but it just. It's this type of thing you want to dance to, but also you can zone out to. I need to hear this one. I ain't heard the 3am okay, last screenshot on your phone. No deleting. Show Me Me and Latto song.

[Ice Spice]

Yes. That's my last screenshot. A fan leaked our song.

[Keke Palmer]

Wait a minute now. What's the vibes like? Tell me how y' all got to do in this song? Cause we don't know the case.

[Ice Spice]

Well, it's dropping now that it was leaked, but that was the last screenshot because it was a mess in the group chat earlier.

[Keke Palmer]

Ooh. So how did y' all get into doing the song? Like, what was the. Like, what was the DMs? What was the conversation like? Get into the tea.

[Ice Spice]

Um, so we, the DMs was like, back in, like, January, I think we were just like, our managers connected and, like, gave us each other's number, right? And we were just like, hey, girl, like, if you have a song, like, send it or whatever.

[Keke Palmer]

And this is in the midst of all the back and forth beef that we are assuming is happening online. Like, in the middle, they connected, y'. All.

[Ice Spice]

Well, towards. I mean, I think it was, like.

[Keke Palmer]

Over with by the time time had passed.

[Ice Spice]

So it was like that. It was like, yeah, cute. So. But we didn't, like, have anything for it until just now, like a month ago.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay, so what's the vibe? Cause I didn't hear the leak.

[Ice Spice]

You didn't hear yet?

[Keke Palmer]

I didn't hear it yet. Thank goodness.

[Ice Spice]

It just hit the tl. It's cute.

[Keke Palmer]

Come on. It just hit the tl. Yes, it's very cute. Okay, I'm excited. I like Latto's music. I like your music. So I think you guys will sound very good together.

[Ice Spice]

Thank you. Yeah, we look really good.

[Keke Palmer]

Now, what's the name?

[Ice Spice]

Get.

[Keke Palmer]

Get. Okay. Get. Period. Okay, now what's your zodiac sign? I'm seeing, you know, your big three. And I want you to know from seeing your big three, we are like best friends.

[Ice Spice]

I felt like that girl when I was writing girls.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm a Capricorn. I'm a Virgo. So off top, that's a match. I live for Scorpios. But then you're also a Virgo, so your Virgo matches my Virgo sun. It's giving made for each other.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

She said, yeah, I think so. What's your love? Language, gifts and quality time. What type of gifts are we talking? Cause I see you iced out on your neck. Like, are we talking jewelry?

[Ice Spice]

Well, yes.

[Keke Palmer]

What is the craziest gift you ever got?

[Ice Spice]

Craziest gift recently? Probably the Birkin.

[Keke Palmer]

Who gave you that? Girl? You. So don't even tell me. Now we gonna get into it. Okay. What, this? Now this is unexpected to me. When you said this, what's the most unexpected thing on your talent writer? A yoga mat. My girl is into yoga. I live for the wellness and everything.

[Ice Spice]

I did one hot yoga class, like, one time.

[Keke Palmer]

And then you became addicted.

[Ice Spice]

No one time ever.

[Keke Palmer]

So is the mat just for the vibes and the energy?

[Ice Spice]

So I bring the mat usually on tour. That's like my tour writer.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay.

[Ice Spice]

Because I need to stretch. Like, I stretch every single day.

[Keke Palmer]

You have to with all that ass shaking.

[Ice Spice]

Right?

[Keke Palmer]

But I do feel like you're into fitness. You be working out a lot.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I. I like to work out, but now I'm trying to find like a good balance between like working out enough and not overworking out and like staying in shape. So.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Is that tough for you? Because I feel like people are always talking about your body. Either they're over sexualizing your body, which maybe is not a problem to you, or they're like, now she's too fit. And now you know. How do you deal with that when you just trying to be your best.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, that's all I do is just try to be my best. For real. Yeah, she summed it up great. Yeah, I try to, like, just do things in moderation.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

As much as, like, I can.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. And it's also hard when you're on tour, when you're working a lot. Like, before you know it, you do be strong because it's like working every day. Like I'm on stage moving and moving.

[Ice Spice]

Right, Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

I can't help the cardio burns.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

And then you gave me your autograph. Ice Spice is so cute.

[Ice Spice]

You know, that's not even the right one. I started. Why I started doing my real signature, like when I signed like a check or something.

[Keke Palmer]

It's giving, like playing, you know, when I'm in middle school, like just giving a little card.

[Ice Spice]

That's when I learned it.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, but your full name is Isis.

[Ice Spice]

Isis.

[Keke Palmer]

Isis what?

[Ice Spice]

Isis Ny' Jah Gaston.

[Keke Palmer]

Ooh, that's so cute. Isis Nyjah Gaston. Mine is Lauren Kiana Palmer. And you seem to gag. Cause you thought my name was just.

[Ice Spice]

I swear I thought it was Keke Palmer.

[Keke Palmer]

So. I mean, girl, I'm glad to catch up with you because I feel like you left us hanging for a minute. You went bye bye on our asses. So where was you at? What's Tee Boo?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I was resting. Taking a little nap. Cause, you know.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes, princess.

[Ice Spice]

I had to. I was like, I need my beauty sleep. And yeah, I'm excited to be back outside. I miss my friends, so. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

But I feel like probably as an artist, I mean, you know, we need creativity. So it's like sometimes if you're working, working, working, then you have nowhere to pull from. So when you were taking that break, what kind of vibes did you feel like you got into that helped usher us into this new era?

[Ice Spice]

Um, I did a lot of stuff. Like I was hanging with my family more. That's something that I really, really appreciate about this break. Like, I was able to like, spend more Time with my sisters, my mom, my dad, and like everybody. And my friends too. Like, I miss my friends and my home. I'm finally starting to put my, like, apartment together because I was in the midst of moving for like two years. It felt like, you know.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

So now I'm like getting my space all cozy and personalized. So that's been keeping me, like, inspired a little bit.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, it's giving grown, sexy, chill and cool.

[Ice Spice]

Thank you.

[Keke Palmer]

Now, in Interview magazine in 2022, you said your mom, Sharina. Am I pronouncing that right?

[Ice Spice]

Sharina.

[Keke Palmer]

Sharina, who's Dominican, she had you at 17. So you guys kind of grew up together.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, what was that like? When you think about that now, like, and even just how you guys relationship has grown now that you're an adult, like, what's the difference between then and now?

[Ice Spice]

Well, I mean, it still feels like pretty much the same.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Like, I think not much has like changed between us. I feel like we've always been like sisters.

[Keke Palmer]

Wow.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. Because she had me so young, so like, I feel like it gives sisters, like.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Ice Spice]

We look like sisters. Damn near.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Your mom is beautiful.

[Ice Spice]

Thank you. She's my idol. Oh, my God, I love her.

[Keke Palmer]

So what does she teach you? Kind of like, about resilience, especially coming into the rap game, because I know that your dad was also Joseph Gadson.

[Ice Spice]

This is New York Joseph Gaston.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, Gaston. He was also a rapper. So, I mean, coming into the game, what kind of support did she give you? And how was he supportive too?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, both of my parents always were so supportive from the beginning. Like, my dad is so big on every day on the way to school. Like, the days he would take me, he would always be on some like, oh, so what's gonna be your career? What's your job? And I would always just be like, I'm tired, it's like seven in the morning. Like, shut the. You know what I mean?

[Keke Palmer]

Ah, yes.

[Ice Spice]

But I'm so grateful now, looking back that he did that because it really instilled in me that, like, I needed a job fast.

[Keke Palmer]

Sure. You know, did you feel like you, like, did you immediately feel like, I'm going to go into music? Like, did you. Were you inspired by his music career or did this come out of nowhere for you?

[Ice Spice]

No, I think I was so inspired by his music career because growing up, like, that's what I was around. He was like doing music when I was like a toddler.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

So, like, my mom was right. It Was real. Like, I was real impressionable at that time.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

So I think I just soaked up everything my parents were doing and, like, low key. I'm that now, like, what both of them did.

[Keke Palmer]

People always say that you are what you see. That's why it's good when we see our parents, like, living out their dreams and stuff. Especially for me, like, as a mom now, I'm always trying to make sure that I don't. You know, when you become a parent, you want to just give everything to your kid, but your kid gotta also see you give things to you, because then in the end they like, no, it's okay for me to chase my dreams and do my thing.

[Ice Spice]

Right. Spoil yourself.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. Now, you're the oldest of five siblings, all girls. I have one brother, so one brother, four girls, one brother. I mean, you're the oldest sibling, so how much? You probably had a lot of responsibility.

[Ice Spice]

I did, but it was broken up because three of my sisters are on my mom's side, and then I have a brother and sister on my dad's side.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

So I got to spend time with both of them growing up. But it was a lot of responsibility. I always say I feel like I'm a mom, cuz it's like I feel like I raised them.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. How much older than you? How much older are you?

[Ice Spice]

I have. My youngest baby sister is 313 years younger than me, which is great, right?

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. So it is. I mean, you could have had her. You could have, you know.

[Ice Spice]

Right. If it was like, 200 years ago, that would have been normal.

[Keke Palmer]

So how do you feel like that helped you with your career, being responsible so early? Or did it?

[Ice Spice]

You know, I feel like. I feel like it did for sure, because it gave me a sense of, like, I got to do.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

You know, and I feel like if I was like, if I didn't have that, like, oh, my God, I have people to take care of, it wouldn't have made me feel so, like, driven towards, like, a goal.

[Keke Palmer]

Mm. You know, because, you know, somebody's watching you. That's definitely how it was for me with my siblings. I'm also. I'm seven years older than my youngest siblings. And I would often think about that when I was working as a kid, being like, okay, this is for the twins, you know, because I want them to have access that I didn't.

[Ice Spice]

Oh, you have twins?

[Keke Palmer]

Twin siblings, yes.

[Ice Spice]

Me too.

[Keke Palmer]

What? Boy and a girl or two girls.

[Ice Spice]

They're fraternal.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, yeah. My brother and sister, they're fraternal. But let me get you into this girl. The gag is my mom's a twin and my dad's a twin.

[Ice Spice]

So are you gonna have twins?

[Keke Palmer]

Woo. My sister already got three kids and want none of them twins. So it's gonna go to either me or my baby sister. But you know, honestly I would be fine with twins as long as it was just like boom, you know, knock em out, you know, we just, you know, quick and easy.

[Ice Spice]

I feel that. Wrap it up after that.

[Keke Palmer]

Mm mm. Not wrap it up after that. I should have wrapped it up beforehand. Anyway. Now your parents, now your parents split when you were what, 2 years old?

[Ice Spice]

I was like 2, but they was already like separated I think. So I don't remember them together like that.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

But I think I have like one memory maybe of them in the same place at once.

[Keke Palmer]

But they live like down the street from each other, which is crazy. I know. But it's perfect for you guys because then you were able to bounce them back and forth. Like you think that was really helpful to you, like having them so close by?

[Ice Spice]

It certainly was. I would lie all the time like they know this now but like, I mean, do they know? I don't know. I feel like they put it together. But I would like always tell my mom like oh yeah, I'm at my dad's house or I'll tell my dad I'm at my mom's house. And because they didn't like talk, nobody would check if that was the case.

[Keke Palmer]

I hear this a lot from my friends whose parents were divorced that they would literally play off the fact that the parents ain't talking and they don't like each other or you know what I mean? They would be able to do whatever they wanted to do. So did you feel like, like in them streets you was like wiling out?

[Ice Spice]

Not even in the streets, really. On my best friend's crib. Cuz that's where I would be at for the most part. Like you just be chilling. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

So what kind of childhood or, or like high school vibe did you have? Well, how were you in school?

[Ice Spice]

I went to Catholic school, so I was very. Yeah, right.

[Keke Palmer]

We was uptight.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, they was a little uptight. Like I had like priests and nuns walking around like the school, you know, it was like a different vibe.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. And then what was your after school life like? Was you.

[Ice Spice]

I played volleyball. I, I did like some clubs and stuff like that in school. I always like to be like involved. I feel like that's important.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

As a kid or like, growing up to be, like, involved in the school because you make friends that way. And you also just kind of, like, learn a lot about people and, like, how people work and stuff like that.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. My sister in college, she was like, miss every part of every club. And she said the same thing. She went to famu and she was, like, in this political club and this AKA and that, you know, so it makes total sense. I didn't get to go to high school, but I imagine that if I did, I would have. Oh, my God.

[Ice Spice]

Because he was famous. That's crazy, girl.

[Keke Palmer]

I was on these sets working, being the VP. So you started writing poetry and freestyles at just 7 years old?

[Ice Spice]

I mean, ever since I could write, I will always write, like, little, like, liners. That's what I would call it now, looking back. Like, I'd always write, like, two, three lines. And then eventually, like, as the years went on, it would become, like, full on songs. But I never got into, like, a studio and recorded until I was nine. I was 20.

[Keke Palmer]

You never really took it seriously until then.

[Ice Spice]

I didn't record until I was 20, ever. Like, you know, I do wish that I grew up recording more, though.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. What did you think? Like, if. Do you remember any of those early rhymes? Like, do you remember what your style was back then? Is it anything similar to what you do now?

[Ice Spice]

Nothing. I will actually. You know what? It probably is similar. It probably is similar because I feel like people's art is always, like, evolving, but, like, still kind of like. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yes, the same.

[Keke Palmer]

Give me your lunch. No. Could you imagine? No. So who are some of your biggest inspirations? When you think back then? I mean, obviously it was like, Lil Kim, but who were some of the, like, other people that you listen to?

[Ice Spice]

Nicki was the first female rapper I ever seen. Of course, my dad put me on to her because he used to, like, distribute, like, her tapes or something. Like, back in the day, he was a promoter. Yeah. Like, he would, like, give out, like, take them little road trips and, like, give CDs to the stores or something like that.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

So I remember he would, like, put me onto her music and, like, fabulous. Jadakiss.

[Keke Palmer]

Come on, Fab.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, Jada.

[Keke Palmer]

Jada, you know, girl, I was watching 106 the Party. Did you remember 106, you remember? Did you remember AJ and Free? Who was your host?

[Ice Spice]

No, I don't remember the host, but I know the show you're talking about.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Anyway, Free, one time when Jadakiss came on, there I never forget she talking about Jada.

[Ice Spice]

Jada.

[Keke Palmer]

And ever since then, that's how I say his name.

[Ice Spice]

I'm crying. Damn, that seems like such a good era. I wish that would come back. Like, girl, me too. Like premiering music videos on tv. Like, that would eat.

[Keke Palmer]

What were the TV shows that you grew up watching?

[Ice Spice]

I grew up watching, like, a lot of. Like, I was both a Disney and a Nick kid. Yeah, Like, I watched both. And did you watch, like, cartoon networks?

[Keke Palmer]

Were you like, that era?

[Ice Spice]

I was watching Victorious for sure.

[Keke Palmer]

Miranda Cosgrove.

[Ice Spice]

Like, icarly.

[Keke Palmer]

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[Ice Spice]

I feel like Cardi B definitely, like, brought back that, like, hope of, like, girls could rap. You know what I mean? Because for a long time, like, Nicki seemed so, like, unattainable and, like, you know, that's part of the lore, too.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes.

[Ice Spice]

Of why I was so obsessed, because I'm like, only she could do it.

[Keke Palmer]

So seeing Cardi was like, okay. Especially she's from your. She's. Is she from the Bronx?

[Ice Spice]

She's from the Bronx.

[Keke Palmer]

Exactly. She's from the Bronx. And so then you started taking it seriously. When did you meet? Right. Is that your producer, your main producer you were working?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, we came up together. We met at SUNY Purchase because I went to SUNY Purchase for, like, a year and change.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

That's where we met as sophomores, I think.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

So, like, right before we left, I mean, right before I left, he graduated. I wish I graduated. Looking back, I might go back to school.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. You out getting at work?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, yeah. At some point. Let's see. But yeah, we met there and we just kind of clicked. Like, the school is full of arts.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

So everybody there, like, does music or dances or something creative like that. And yeah, some of the, like, alumni is still, like, around. We bump into each other a lot. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

And then you came up with the name Ice Spice. It was. Your fit was on your Finster at first.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, it was my Finster since I was, like, 14 that's so cute. Like in school, I remember my bestie Lucy helped me come up with it. I was like, girl, help me come up with a finsa name. Like, what rhymes with ice? And I low key think she said spice. I'm not gonna lie.

[Keke Palmer]

That's so cute. Shout out to you, Lucy.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

And so then you change your name. Your name is Ice Spice. You released in 2022 much you put it up on TikTok. I mean, it blew up. Drake played it. I mean, it became a whole moment. Did you at this time, were you even thinking about being signed? Were you signed? Like, I don't know any of your music connections at that point or where this was in your music journey.

[Ice Spice]

No, I was independent when I put out a Munch. Yeah, but I was already, like, labels were like, hitting me up. Yeah, but I was just kind of like, low key, waiting until a bigger bag came. And I kind of wanted to get some more, like, traction before signing, just to feel like I kind of, like, did it first. You know what I'm trying to say?

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Then you can go without having your hand out. It's kind of more like, who's going to give me what I want? Because I already got the fans a little bit.

[Ice Spice]

Like, not a little bit. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

So what was it like for you to see the reaction, you know, like, to see that they responded to that? Did you even know when you did Munch that it was gonna be like, did you know, hey, this. This song is gonna be that girl?

[Ice Spice]

I had no idea Munch was gonna do anything. Like, I had it just in the tuck for a minute.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

And I wasn't even playing it for people. Like, when I would play them some songs I had unreleased, it wouldn't even come to mind. Like, I. Lowkey didn't even have it on my phone.

[Keke Palmer]

I. I think what made you put it out, was it like, Wyatt or somebody on your team?

[Ice Spice]

Somebody else had it. I think it was riot. Or somebody had it and was like, what about that song? I don't remember who had it, but I was like, you sure? Like, I don't know. They was like, yeah, why don't you just like. I don't know. Was it James? Right? Yeah, I think James, my manager and.

[Keke Palmer]

Was like, james, he had a good ear because I love that.

[Ice Spice]

Thank you. It worked out. He ate that.

[Keke Palmer]

It gives you that vibe. Like.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

I used to love when you did that little move when you've been down. I mean, it's. I can't do it in this Dress. But I'm like, I can't either.

[Ice Spice]

I love.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, it's so cute.

[Ice Spice]

It's like, so cute.

[Keke Palmer]

Cause it's munches. Anyhow, so in 2023, you dropped your debut EP like, like, I live. And then you linked up with Pink Pantress, which. I love that song. The Boy's a liar part 2. I live for that song.

[Ice Spice]

I love that song.

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, did you sleep on that one or did you immediately know?

[Ice Spice]

No, I was a fan of Boys a Liar. Like the original.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

And I had put it on my story and she hit me up like, you want to remix it? And I'm like, yeah. So I did it on my birthday trip in Mexico, I remember. And like, it was one of the faster verses I had did. I remember, like, at that time, I was like, wow, like this eight. And because it's short. And so I sent it back to her and she thought I recorded it, like, on my phone because I wasn't in a studio.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, shit.

[Ice Spice]

She was like, yeah, I record on my phone too. I was like. I was like, girl, that was not on my phone.

[Keke Palmer]

I did that perfectly in the studio.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. But, like, it worked out. And I was always a fan of her before, like, I had any type of motion. So I was excited to work with.

[Keke Palmer]

Her and I thought it was a good follow up. Especially after months, you know, you have a big record like that, people are like, okay, was she coming with next? What's her vibe? What is really the storyline? And so when you came out with that, I felt like, okay, I felt like I was really feeling like you were becoming an artist.

[Ice Spice]

Like, that it shows, like, a different side because I was talking about, like, love a little bit instead of just.

[Keke Palmer]

Like, yeah, exactly, exactly. And then you did the Barbie collab with Nikki. I mean, that was a very massive moment. I mean, you picked up Grammy nominations, so. And that. And that's your girl. Like, you said, somebody that you look up to. So what was it like? Not only seeing, like, all these people becoming new fans online, having this virality, like, but then also getting validated by the industry with, like actual, you know, Grammy nominations, and then even like, Nick somebody, like Nicki Minaj Icon being like, yo, I like what you're coming with.

[Ice Spice]

Insane crazy. Like, crazy, crazy crazy. I had no. Like, I always wanted that to be the case, but it's just like, when it happens, you're like, whoa. Like, is this real life Two records with her? I was gassed. Like, of course I still am. Like, that's I feel like it was.

[Keke Palmer]

What was it like working with her? Did you guys have like a one on one type of process or was it kind of like, I'm gonna send it to you, you send it back?

[Ice Spice]

We would do a lot of sending back and forth, like via text and stuff like that. But she would always, like, gas, like, what I did. Like, she would just be like, oh, I love your accent and, like, your tone and flow. And I would be like, screaming, like, when she.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes.

[Ice Spice]

You know what I mean?

[Keke Palmer]

Now I know at one time it was talks of her possibly signing you. What made you kind of think. Cause I know it can be tough when you're an artist and then you're signing her artists. Sometimes it's like, man, is that the right decision to make? But then also, she's incredible. So kind of what was. How. How did you navigate that and then maintain the love?

[Ice Spice]

Well, I really let, like, our lawyers. Well, I tried to, like, really let our lawyers, like, handle everything and, like, our managers.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

But I was already signed when she was trying to sign me, so I think that's where, like, the hiccups were.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Because it was, like, really no room anymore at that point.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

To make, like, a new deal. I'm signed to two labels, so that was already, like, a thing. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, like.

[Keke Palmer]

But she understood y'. All. You know, it's all love, and it's just like, this is the industry.

[Ice Spice]

Well, yeah, it's all love, like, always. I still look up to her. That's she's mother, period.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay, so what do you feel like you've learned about yourself so far? Dealing with all of the fame and the pressure and the comments and the, you know, just fame is not all cute. It definitely is fun. You know, it's great when, you know, people are living for. But people don't live for you all the time. Okay, so how is it dealing with the. After having all of these many highs, Dealing with some of those lows.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's just like almost like anything else. Like, you know, Right. Like, yes. I was looking back, like, on, because I had a lot of time to reflect, and I was just like, this is kind of like how it always has been throughout life. Like, I remember getting to different schools and, like, going through those same motions, and it kind of feels like that, like, comparing it to school where it's like you get there, you're like the new girl, and then it's like everyone's obsessed and, like. And then it's like, when you're doing good, it's like they start hating on you. And they're like, I don't even know that.

[Keke Palmer]

Right.

[Ice Spice]

It's that question, right?

[Keke Palmer]

Why did we like you to begin with?

[Ice Spice]

Like, you?

[Keke Palmer]

I don't know. Yeah, y' all the ones that liked me. It is crazy like that, though. But it's life, no matter what. Whether you're famous, going to new school, whatever. People are rocking. And not what keeps you getting back up on that bull. Because it's like, music is tough, but specifically female rap, it could get vicious out there for y'.

[Ice Spice]

All.

[Keke Palmer]

What keeps you getting back on that horse? Being like, no, this is for me, and this is the career I want.

[Ice Spice]

Well, it is the best job I've ever had, for sure. And it's also so fun. Like, I think it's so fun. And it's. It's like a dream. Like, what? So many. I wouldn't give it up.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Like, no matter how, like, hard it gets or whatever, I would just keep going because it's like, I already made it this far. Like, this too far to give up now. Like, you know what I mean?

[Keke Palmer]

Who is your closest confidant? You would say, is it. Is it your mom or is it, like, a best friend?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, it's definitely my mom, my bestie, my dad were very close, like, my sisters.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Close family.

[Ice Spice]

Real, real close. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm the same way with my family. I feel like there's no way that I could do the industry without my family, because I need them. They the ones that know us, for real.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

So when people start saying and stuff and make you confused, like, damn, is that me? Your mom and daddy be like, no. Yeah, that's not at all.

[Ice Spice]

Right. Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

What would you describe your music as? Like, how, you know, I feel like when you came in, it was definitely giving fresh. Obviously, people that really know what's happening in the underground might have heard some of those sounds before, but I feel like you definitely push that to the mainstream. How would you describe it? And when you're going into the studio, are you thinking about storytelling or are you thinking about wordplay?

[Ice Spice]

Ooh, it depends what the vibe is like. I like to think about the beats and the energy that's giving first before. I'm really big on beat selection, and I don't just like to use anything because I really wanted to slap. I want people to like the song when the beat starts before I even come in, you know, I do feel like it's such a mutual collaboration between, like, the producer and the artist. But I would. I like that. Who told me? My guard, she just told me that she works out to my music. And I do like, when people say that, like, no.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. I feel like your music does get people pumped. Whether that's pumped to dance. I'm getting ready, getting glammed. I'm in the gym.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

You know, it definitely does have that energy.

[Ice Spice]

I like that, like, when people work out to my music.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Well, who's your favorite producer to collaborate with? I mean, obviously you have a. You've originated your sound or curated your sound with Riot, but you've worked with other people now. Like, have there been other people that you've started to feel like, okay, I can catch a good vibe with you and see what you can do with my style.

[Ice Spice]

I'm really excited because I just started to get in with some new producers and I can't wait to share that.

[Keke Palmer]

So you can't tell me yet.

[Ice Spice]

Not yet.

[Keke Palmer]

Girl, you got to give us the.

[Ice Spice]

Team because you know what it is? I want to, like, have, like, it together.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Before I, like, you know, I gotta, like, package it. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm with it. I'm with the curation. I'm with the curation. Now, you recently gave fans Baddie. Baddie. What does this single say about where you are personally and creatively? We heard a little snap.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. You know, Baddie Baddie is cute. I made that a couple months ago with Raya and Ala, like, my OG producers. And we were just in the studio having fun. Like, the MIA sample is like, mi is the goat. Love her. So it just felt very fun and, like, it. It just. I don't know. I love it. Like, I really do. Like, it grew on me, though. Like, at first I was like, guys, I don't know. But then now I like, I like it. It's cute.

[Keke Palmer]

And when you tease it, you kind of wiped your whole Instagram. It's like, yeah, it was giving clean slate. Like, what type of message was that? Is it kind of like, I'm in a new.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I just wanted to clear my. Like, archive it. I didn't delete nothing. Like, I'll probably put it back up at some point. I don't know. But I was just like, let me archive my. Because, yeah, it's like new music coming in, so I want the focus to be that.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, yeah, I love that. What's the word when you would describe.

[Ice Spice]

This new era about Baddie Baddy to start off with for sure. But I have, like, some Other cute songs in the tug that I can't wait to share with my fans. I feel like they're really gonna like it.

[Keke Palmer]

I feel like you're really good talking with your fans. Like, anytime anything goes down, I'm like, randomly on X app, and I'm seeing you in the damn group chat conversation online. Yes. You be talking to your fans. I love it. Like, but. But it's like, you. You don't have any fear of doing that. I mean, sometimes it can be a lot. It can fuel stuff, or it can be more getting gossipy or, you know, it could just be a lot, you know, as entertaining. You never know when to push and pull. Yeah, but it seems like that's important to you to have this kind of close vibe with them.

[Ice Spice]

They will tell you the. The opposite. They will tell you. I never speak to them.

[Keke Palmer]

Gagged.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. They're so, like, they're so needy.

[Keke Palmer]

How was it on tour?

[Ice Spice]

Like, meeting them is, you know, it's crazy when I see them and I know who they are because I recognize they're like, you've seen them at a.

[Keke Palmer]

Couple shows or their profile.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I'm like, I'm meeting you. Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

No, girl, I feel the same way with my friends. I'm like, girl, I know you, right?

[Ice Spice]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

They be like, girl, I know you.

[Ice Spice]

Wait, you know, do you remember I seen you on a plane? Do you know what I'm talking about? We were like, yes, getting on a flight.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes, I do remember. And I remember when we went to the Met Gala, girl, and I came up to you and I was like, girl, I love what you're doing. You were like. I was like, she's too cute. You're literally like an avatar.

[Ice Spice]

You're like, I was just emoting, right?

[Keke Palmer]

You were emoting.

[Ice Spice]

Now, just like, I learned some words since then.

[Keke Palmer]

I live for the vibe, though. I live for it Now. I was interested because you said Coldplay. You were inspired by them, especially the song Yellow Ed Sheeran. I mean, and you dibble. Dabbled in some pop stuff. I mean, we seen you with Taylor. You guys have developed a relationship. So how do you feel with that balance? Cause I do think that's all also hard with hip hop and with rap. A lot of times they be like, what is you doing, girl? You know?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying. Like, for sure it is. But I feel like that's just like whatever happens for you naturally is like, what you should just go with. I feel like I've. I feel like I've Always been part of both crowds. Like, does that make sense?

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, of course. I mean, I love my music too. Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. I grew up like listening to both and like more than just those two, like mad other genres as well, you know. Yeah. That's just like the vibe. Like in New York, I feel like too like pop radio is always busing. You have to.

[Keke Palmer]

Music is music.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, Music is music. Like, you know, certain records, even if you don't want to know them.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

So it's like you just end up liking them or they grow on you or whatever the case is. There's some songs now that I listen to that I wouldn't have played back then. You know, like, it changes.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Who are some people that you haven't worked with yet that you would like to work with or that maybe that you've worked with that we haven't heard the records of? Like you obviously said you just worked with Lotto, but I mean you've worked with so many people.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, that was such an unexpected collab, like, to be honest, you know. So that's why I never really know what to say when I'm asked that because I'm like, who the hell knows? Like, yeah, I've definitely like worked with some cool ass people already. So I'm just like kind of whatever happens naturally and like sounds good. That's what I care about more than like working with somebody specific. I care more that it like sounds good.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, exactly. Like what's the vibe that we're catching?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

And I mean when you do a collaboration, is it kind of like I'm hopping into your DM or they happen to your DM or are you actually in studio?

[Ice Spice]

It's usually like prefer one or the other. I prefer like if we just going to chop it up for the first time, like we're meeting the studio and just like get to know each other if we're starting from scratch. But it's like if you have a record and just send it to me, like, yeah, I probably just get on this and the bag. We go back and forth until it sounds right or whatever.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. How do you explain to people like your hustle and your success in this game? Because it's very, you know, we live in a generation too. Especially now people are like, everybody's an industry's plant. Especially, especially if it feels like it's come out of nowhere. But nothing, at least in my experience, nothing ever really comes out of nowhere. Like it's always. It seems like it did because you just heard about it. But Meanwhile, that person's been working for so many years. So what do you think the key is to your success?

[Ice Spice]

To mine specifically? I think it was a mixture of just, like, faith, trust, and pixie dust. For real? Come on. I don't think you could, like, come on. I feel like pop up girls. If we knew, like, exactly how and why, I feel like people would do that a lot. But I don't know. Like, I know just as much as y', all, to be honest.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. I mean, that's really real. At the end of the day, there is no like. Because if there was a science to it and everybody would make it happen.

[Ice Spice]

But sometimes I wish there was a science to it.

[Keke Palmer]

Blessings.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I think it's literally a mix of all of that. Like, prayers and answers.

[Keke Palmer]

So you sat down with Ebro and you were open about being bisexual. What was this? Why was that something that you were like? Let me go ahead and tell y', all, because you didn't have to tell us.

[Ice Spice]

I didn't.

[Keke Palmer]

You didn't have to. And I'm glad you didn't. The real question is, I don't even remember. Am I your type?

[Ice Spice]

I feel. I think you are. I think you are. Yeah. The way I heard you stutter.

[Keke Palmer]

You heard it here, guys.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. Yeah. Kiki's my type, guys.

[Keke Palmer]

How do you go about knowing what you want to share and what you don't want to share? Really, though? Because I feel like your life is mostly pretty private. Like, you don't share too much about who you're dating. But we be getting.

[Ice Spice]

But then it's like, you be in my business, though. Yeah. So I try to keep it private, but it's just like, whatever. I mean, like, I'll try to keep it private. And then it's like I'm at the grocery store and then now it's not private. So. Yeah, it's like, I try my best.

[Keke Palmer]

Because fans clocked you at the jets game in 2024.

[Ice Spice]

They did, baby.

[Keke Palmer]

This is when I think about Church's chicken. I'm taken back to those nights we tried to figure out what we were picking up for dinner, and my dad would say, church's. I'm not gonna lie. We had a little tradition of our own. We'd always snag one of those fresh baked honey butter biscuits for the car ride home. Sorry, family. Quality control purposes. You know, that's what makes churches so special. It's fresh hand breaded chicken seasoned just right. I still do the jalapeno squeeze, just like my dad Taught me. It's part of the experience now. And those honey butter biscuits I mentioned baked from scratch daily. And, yes, they're worth the potential family drama. What I love is how Church's always comes through with portions that can feed everybody, even after our little quality control moments. Everything's made with real care, and you can taste it at the end of the day. Church's chicken is more than just a meal. It's family. It's tradition. It's home. Find your next meal [e-mail].

[Ice Spice]

But they didn't clock anything, though.

[Keke Palmer]

Like, so they was wrong about the tea there.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, it was bitter. No, it was not there yet.

[Keke Palmer]

Well, okay. Okay. Love that. It was not there yet. This was like. Because then later on, you pretty much confirmed your relationship with Sauce Gardner.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I guess I did that one. Yeah, I did confirm that on my Instagram. Wow.

[Keke Palmer]

Miss Girl, what made you want to do that as a Capricorn? You know, you guys are very.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, we are. But honestly, you like that man? Yeah, he's cute, and he had a good job. Love that.

[Keke Palmer]

I love the career.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. I love a man with a job.

[Keke Palmer]

That's fabulous. I mean, y' all even hit the Vanity Fair Oscars party together. What was it like being public with someone? Like, I mean, obviously all your relationships before, I'm assuming, have been private and maybe not somebody in. In the spotlight. I mean, he's popular. He's in the spotlight. So what did it feel like stepping out with someone that had as much popularity, maybe, as you or at least out there?

[Ice Spice]

I mean, I didn't think it would be such a, like, big deal, but, like, it really is a big deal.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Like, I guess people, like, it isn't entertaining, because when I was growing up, looking at people I, like, looked up to, I would be all in the business, too, so I get it. Like, I really do understand. But, I mean, it was. It was fun. It was cute. We're still friends. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we're just. We were just dating, like.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, because they saw you with the French baller, too.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Or is that how you pronounce this?

[Ice Spice]

It's French. I'm. You know.

[Keke Palmer]

We was in France, girl. Yes. No. How are you in relationships? Would you describe yourself as, like, you know, the very affectionate girl? Are you kind of, like, very low key?

[Ice Spice]

Like, I am affectionate. I think giving.

[Keke Palmer]

Cater to you.

[Ice Spice]

It is giving that. Oh, like, I'm not gonna lie. I do love gifts and stuff like that and quality time, but, yeah, right. Now I'm just like really focused on like me. So I always put me first. That's what it's like dating me. Like, you know what I mean?

[Keke Palmer]

And as it should be. Yeah, it should be like that. I'm so tired of it not being like that. You know, you get so especially I know you being older sibling me, I'm a middle child, but I've always been in a responsible role. And so sometimes that can make me be like just giving and giving and giving, you know, to friends and relationships. And I'm definitely in the stage in my life where I think it's okay to be selfish as you want to be. It doesn't.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. You're young. You're young. Focus on you and your goals. That's like what you want to do and have fun. Like be cute.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. So what do you see for your empire or even if you're trying to build an empire, like when you think about yourself as an artist, is it like, I'm focused on right now making fun of records, enjoying this time, or does I spice, like really? Are you really that? And I feel like the answer would be yes, because like I said, you're a Capricorn and you guys are very ambitious. Like, what do you see for yourself in the future?

[Ice Spice]

In the future, I see myself at some point like having like a lot of property.

[Keke Palmer]

Come on.

[Ice Spice]

I want like something big.

[Keke Palmer]

She's a developer.

[Ice Spice]

Grand. Yes, I am. I don't know. I want to like dive into other brands and like cool stuff.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

I have so much that I want to do.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

But right now I'm still focused on music because I feel like I'm still so early in my career that that's my main focus.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, I love that. I love that. Now you really be getting into your fashion bag. Was that something that you always were into before you became an artist or did fashion kind of become a part of the once you had access to it?

[Ice Spice]

I've always admired and looked up to fashion, but I think because I grew up in private schools, I never was able to like truly express myself all the way and like practice.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

You know what I mean? I feel like you use school and like those moments to like put on different outfits and like see what like the people's reaction.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

But we only got to do that like on dress down days, which would be like very rare if you go to private school, you know.

[Keke Palmer]

No, for sure.

[Ice Spice]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

I went to private school like twice a year.

[Ice Spice]

You get to put on outfit and look normal.

[Keke Palmer]

They do that with public schools now.

[Ice Spice]

And there's still restrictions when you do get a dress down day, like, you can't wear certain things.

[Keke Palmer]

Crazy.

[Ice Spice]

It was a lot. But I think once I left and I went to college, I got more into fashion.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Going to, like, an artsy college. I saw all these, like, crazy different outfits, and it really did inspire me. So. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

And I love that you have two different faces. Like, one minute you'll be giving us, like, fashion. It's like I'm giving you, like, Vivian Westbrook, blah, blah. But then I've always liked too, that you kept it down home too. Every now and then, you'll still take us to the streets of the Bronx. And I live for that because it's like, that's that flavor that we looking for.

[Ice Spice]

That's deeply rooted in me, though. Like, no matter where I go in life, I feel like I'm always still put on like, booty shorts and like a tank top, period.

[Keke Palmer]

Especially when you got to booty. Okay. She said I'm her type. I could say that you are. Okay. Your Y2K world took you around the world, miss girl. I mean, what crowd surprised you the most with their energy?

[Ice Spice]

Paris. That was crazy.

[Keke Palmer]

Omg.

[Ice Spice]

I did not expect that. I think that's why it was so crazy, because I was like, they all here for me. Like, it was like one of my bigger venues and just like, the way it was set up, it was like balconies and they were showing so much love. I was like, wow, I would redo that show if I could.

[Keke Palmer]

Ah, Terminal five. You got to perform there in New York. I mean, what was it like being there and seeing your city show up for you? There's no greater love than your city.

[Ice Spice]

I know. Even though my city is so bougie and stuck up, but I love them. They love me.

[Keke Palmer]

Wait, so why are there so bougie and stuck up?

[Ice Spice]

Cause that's just how New Yorkers are like. I feel like everybody from New York just thinks that they're, like, famous and, like, lit.

[Keke Palmer]

I love New York about that because especially so I'm from Illinois, but I grew up in California. From the time I was like 10. It's very industry based. When you're on, everybody's caring about it. Everybody's in your business. It's Hollywood. Hollywood. But in New York, no one cares. They cared about their own thing. And that's what I've always loved about New York. Because when I go there, nobody care about what I'm doing their own world.

[Ice Spice]

Yes, everybody has Their own motions. Yes. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

So I love that about New York. Now, in Vienna, you experienced the crowd booing during Karma, but you was kind of like blowing kisses.

[Ice Spice]

That was Vienna rolling loud, right?

[Keke Palmer]

Yes.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. I'll never forget. It was raining, and she said, I'll never forget. Yo.

[Keke Palmer]

That gave me, like, Raven Simone going into the vision. I'll never forget.

[Ice Spice]

That's what just happened.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh. But you handled it so good. I feel like you've. Any moment that you've had where there's been something shady happening, you always be.

[Ice Spice]

Like, you know, what's so funny? When I blew kisses, I didn't know they were booing me. I didn't know that until after. And I read the comments and, like, saw the audio and everything, but I'm blind, so I could not see what was happening, and all I hear is my ears, so I didn't hear no booing.

[Keke Palmer]

Wow.

[Ice Spice]

I'm like, they're getting loud.

[Keke Palmer]

They're loving it. They love me. They really love me. So afterwards, then, how did you feel about it when she. Once it hit you, what really was going down?

[Ice Spice]

I mean, after, I was just pretty much like, this. Another day at the office. They like. They're always like, you know. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Period. You performed at your very first Coachella in 2024. I mean, that's one of the biggest festivals in the world. People work forever to get to that stage. What did that debut experience feel like for you? Were you able to really. I think it's. So when stuff happens so fast like that, sometimes I feel like it's hard to process. Like, anytime I've had a big moment, sometimes I can't process it until after the fact. So what was it like like, for you? Were you.

[Ice Spice]

No, I was processing it during Coachella because I was like, whoa. Like, there's a lot of people here, girl. Yeah. It was my first time at Coachella ever, too, so.

[Keke Palmer]

Wow.

[Ice Spice]

I didn't know what to expect. Like, people were saying, like, oh, it's a big deal, but going really showed me. Like, how were you scared?

[Keke Palmer]

Were you nervous? But. Or when you hit the stage, where you immediately just in your bag.

[Ice Spice]

Like, we have some rehearsals for, like, a week before, so I was feeling, like, more confident. But, like, little things always change. I think, like, the props and stuff. Like, it'll be like, the staircase is more narrow.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Or like, more steps were added. It's like, little stuff like that.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Would make me, like, panic because I'm like, I'm supposed to be up there by this Word.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

And I'm not. I don't know stuff like that. But we got through it though. And like, when you know that the crowd don't know what you're supposed to do.

[Keke Palmer]

Exactly.

[Ice Spice]

You could kind of like freak it a little bit.

[Keke Palmer]

Didn't even know that was a messed up move. I always lean on that whenever I get a little woo. I'm like, you don't know.

[Ice Spice]

They don't know.

[Keke Palmer]

So. Hey. But I mean, when you are coming out new, I feel like stage presence is something that continues to develop and I feel like for you, like, what was that journey like? You know what I mean? When you're developing your stage presence. Because I feel in the beginning you were like low key, chill. You just like, eh, eh, eh. But now time has built. Like, how do you see your best show yet? Is it dancers? Is it fireworks? Is it still you kind of just. Just owning your little vibe?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I think it's a mix of literally everything you said.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

Like, probably some pyro instead of fireworks because. But yeah, yeah, pretty much that. Because, you know, I almost got on fire that one time in Australia.

[Keke Palmer]

Not that one time in Australia.

[Ice Spice]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

What happened?

[Ice Spice]

They had. They was like telling. They was like, yeah, yeah, put out the fire to whoever does it. Yeah. And they was like, are you sure? And they got the call, like, wrong. Like, they put out the fire and my hand touched it.

[Keke Palmer]

Uh, they was trying to Michael Pepsi you.

[Ice Spice]

Oh, my God. I heard about that.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Girl, they burned that man's scalp. Rest in peace. Very crazy. But I know he got a check anyhow. Now you also, you know they paid that man. Yes.

[Ice Spice]

Oh, my God.

[Keke Palmer]

Now, you also made your acting debut. This. This is bomb. As Marisol Cepeda in Spike Lee's Highest To Lowest, starring Denzel Washington.

[Ice Spice]

Girl, I know.

[Keke Palmer]

How did this come about? How were you feeling? Like Denzel Washington crazy Spike Lee, girl, everything. How was it?

[Ice Spice]

I know I was like, I just was gagging that whole time. From the moment I got the call. Like, yo, they want you in this to, like, when it happened to when I seen it. Just the whole time I've been gagging. Mind you, I'm in it for like 30 seconds, but still, it's giving Chris.

[Keke Palmer]

Brown and Stomp the yard. He got killed. Damn.

[Ice Spice]

But it's like he still ate that. He did.

[Keke Palmer]

We loved. He was right. Damn.

[Ice Spice]

Like, worth it, those 30 seconds.

[Keke Palmer]

And these 30 seconds are worth it as well.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I couldn't believe that. So my manager hit me like, yo, they want you to Send the audition or something like that. I read some lines, sent it. My character, like, had changed at one point or something like that. I don't know. But in the end I got to film with Denzel and I was just like, wow, this is crazy. Like, I can't believe that.

[Keke Palmer]

Gag, baby, gag. No, I mean, did you catch the acting bug? Like, do you feel like you might want to do more movies?

[Ice Spice]

I don't know. Like, I'd be into Takes a lot of time, though.

[Keke Palmer]

Did you? Did you?

[Ice Spice]

I was there for like an hour.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, they was quick.

[Ice Spice]

It was quick as hell. It was a one day shoot.

[Keke Palmer]

Like, yeah, a lot of times it'd be like the whole damn day.

[Ice Spice]

But it was so. I'm telling you, my lines were so quick. Like, they were like, all right.

[Keke Palmer]

But you liked it a little bit. You could see yourself doing, doing it again.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I could. Like, that was fun. Like the right role comes around and like producers or whatever, like, I'd be down and excited for sure.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. I mean, your ginger hair is so iconic. The ginger, short, curly. But also you try different styles. Like, how hard was that for you to step out the box of what we known you as and try other things?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. Like, I really got, like, attached to my ginger hair.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

I love her.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm so cute.

[Ice Spice]

Thank you. Now we're doing this like little peachy, like, strawberry blonde situation. This cute. Thank you. I'm kind of living for it.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

But I don't know, I really wanted to like, Mark, like, okay, this is me. Like, you know what I mean? I wanted you to be able to like, tell right away, like, okay, it's me. Because by the ginger.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes.

[Ice Spice]

And I feel like they know it's me. So now I could switch it up a little.

[Keke Palmer]

And I personally think that's very, very smart marketing. I know a lot of times you see comments or people like, you need to switch it up. You just. They used to do the same thing that Ariana Grande did with that little ponytail. But ponytail was ponytailing, right. And ginger curly pop was curly popping.

[Ice Spice]

You could, like put her little ponytail somewhere and you know it's.

[Keke Palmer]

And you know, and when we see that ginger hair, it's the same. So it's like, you know, But I do love seeing you try different things. I think it's fun. But I, you know, always, if ever, we'll love the gentle.

[Ice Spice]

I' ma always go back to it.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes.

[Ice Spice]

That's our girl.

[Keke Palmer]

Now you told Teen Vogue, if I do read the comments and see something negative, I'll leave. I'm not torturing myself. I live for that. Is that kind of always your vibe when it comes to protecting yourself from negativity, just, like, removing yourself?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, for sure. Like, the second I start to. The second my heart starts beating fast, I lock my phone. Like, I'm not doing that. Why would I sit there and let my heart beat fast when I could just lock my phone?

[Keke Palmer]

Why would I sit there and let my heart beat fast? That is a quote of my life. It could be a relationship, a friendship, a post.

[Ice Spice]

I'm not doing that.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm not letting my heart.

[Ice Spice]

That's the scene. Yeah. It goes like that for everything. Like an argument, anything. Like, no, you gonna have to catch me in person.

[Keke Palmer]

What is something that you feel like people will be surprised to know about you, that you'd like to share? That maybe they would be, you know.

[Ice Spice]

What would people be surprised to know? I feel like they wouldn't be surprised to know anything. What can really surprise them?

[Keke Palmer]

Like, are you shy? Are you?

[Ice Spice]

I am very shy, but they know that.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Crazy sense of humor. Behind closed doors.

[Ice Spice]

Maybe it's kind of dark.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay. She's got a little.

[Ice Spice]

Maybe I have a dark sense of humor.

[Keke Palmer]

Dark sense of humor. A little sardonic witness. Okay. I'm with it.

[Ice Spice]

I feel like they low key know that, though. Like, low key.

[Keke Palmer]

So I love that you're an open book, kind of.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay. Fans want to know with new music on the way, more singles, maybe an album or some surprise collaborations. Obviously, we know one of the surprise collaborations, but are we working towards the album?

[Ice Spice]

I'm just, like, working on, like, a whole new, like, body of, like, music in general. I don't know what it's gonna be yet.

[Keke Palmer]

Sure. Yeah.

[Ice Spice]

But I do know I'm, like, just recording and, like, picking out, like, what my favorite songs are so my fans can expect some singles from me and.

[Keke Palmer]

Just give them something to chew on.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

So after everything, I mean, touring, hits, beefs, fashion, acting. What do you feel like you've learned most about yourself with this level of success?

[Ice Spice]

I learned that it's very important to, like, take a break when you need it. Like, you know, like, don't.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, Naomi Osaka.

[Ice Spice]

Don't burn out.

[Keke Palmer]

She gave us that speech before. It's important.

[Ice Spice]

I'm like, where do I go?

[Keke Palmer]

The music starts playing. You must rest. No, but it's true. It's true. It's true. You learn that you need a damn break. And when you need one, you gonna take it.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah. Take this Nap?

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. Well, I love that. I love talking to you. I'm not letting you go just yet. We're close. But as the Bronx baddie, I need to do a little game with you. Okay. Today we're shopping in the boroughs, bodegas. Every borough has a different vibe. So I'm gonna hit you with choices from each borough and you gotta build your order. This is our game for the day. Are you ready?

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, I'm excited. Okay, cool.

[Keke Palmer]

So the Bronx. We gotta start in your home turf. The Bronx made you. So let's see what's in your bag. Is it a chopped cheese or bacon, egg and cheese? That's one. Is it a Yankees fitted or bamboo earrings? Or is it Jenny from the block, the remix or Remy Ma's Conceited?

[Ice Spice]

Wait, that was so many options.

[Keke Palmer]

I know.

[Ice Spice]

It would be probably. Wait, I pick one.

[Keke Palmer]

You gotta pick one.

[Ice Spice]

The bamboos.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay. Yankees fitted in the bamboo earrings. That's the vibe.

[Ice Spice]

Low key. But like, not really. But like.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, but definitely not. Definitely not. The bacon, egg and cheese.

[Ice Spice]

Oh, was that. I thought it was chopped cheese.

[Keke Palmer]

Chopped cheese or bacon, egg and cheese? I'm telling you, them bacon, eggs and cheese.

[Ice Spice]

Let's do bacon, egg and cheese on a bagel.

[Keke Palmer]

So good.

[Ice Spice]

That'll make it better.

[Keke Palmer]

That messed me up. During my pregnancy, I was 170 pounds. I was eating that every morning. The baby needs this. No, the baby don't. Girl, that be toe up. Okay, Queens. Okay. A halal platter with extra white sauce.

[Ice Spice]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

Or dollar pizza slice a puffy coat juicy Couture checksuit or $0.50 wankster. LL Cool J Roundaway girl.

[Ice Spice]

Ooh, it's giving halal.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. Give me the platter with the extra sauce.

[Ice Spice]

Yes, please.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm a sauce girly.

[Ice Spice]

Are you? I am, yes.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm trying to get sauced up. That's a song. Now we're in Brooklyn. Beef patty with cocoa bread or jerk chicken plate? Tim's or Clark shoes? Lil Kim crush on you or Foxy Brown get me home.

[Ice Spice]

I'm gonna stop you at beef patty with cocoa bread.

[Keke Palmer]

We on the food tip.

[Ice Spice]

I'm a foodie and I'm hungry.

[Keke Palmer]

Like, literally. She said, as soon as I leave you, girl, I'm going to get food.

[Ice Spice]

Like, I stopped listening after you said cocoa bread and be fatty. I was like ready to just say that.

[Keke Palmer]

The crazy thing is, like, I'm not gonna lie. And they might get me right now. But, like, aside from Chicago, New York definitely has the better food than la.

[Ice Spice]

Well, yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Thank you thank you for the rooms in support of me. Thank you. Cause, I mean, they might cut me up online, but, like, go to New York and eat the food and you.

[Ice Spice]

Will sit the bread. Like the bagels and the pizza is better in New York.

[Keke Palmer]

Like, hands down. Okay, just two more. We're in uptown. We're in Harlem. Nutcracker or Quarter water Honey bun or Flamin Hot Cheetos Dipset. Hey, Ma. Or asap. Rocky peso.

[Ice Spice]

I'm gonna say asap because he's starring in.

[Keke Palmer]

That's your. That's your colleague. Y' all colleagues now.

[Ice Spice]

Yeah, exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

Period. So asap. Rocky peso. Last one. We're in Staten Island. Chinese wings and fries combo or ice cream sandwich? North Face jacket or ugg slippers? The American ones, not the Australian ones. Wu Tang cream or Method man and Mary J. Blige. All I need.

[Ice Spice]

I'm gonna say ice cream.

[Keke Palmer]

Ice cream sandwich. So good. I spice. Thank you for coming to baby this kid. Thank you, Palmer. You're so much.

[Ice Spice]

Thank you.

[Keke Palmer]

So excited for your project and excited for the joint. That's the. The you you and lotto, your song dropping.

[Ice Spice]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

Baby, this is. This is Kiki. Baby, this is.

[Ice Spice]

This is Kiki Palmer.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, Baby, this is Keke Palmer is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Siegel is our post producer. Our producers are Lauren Hampton and Molly nestor. Hilary Este McLaughlin is our executive producer. Production services provided by Evolution Media. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Kiki Palmer for Team Kiki. My producer is Sharon Palmer for Wondery. Our managing producer is Olivia Fonti. Senior managing producer is Nick Ryan. And our executive producers are Emily Feldbrake, Erin o' Flaherty, and Marshall Louie.

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[Keke Palmer]

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