FLO on Building the Ultimate Girl Group

Summary

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Baby, this is Keke Palmer

Episode: FLO on Building the Ultimate Girl Group

Date: July 28, 2026

Host: Keke Palmer

Guests: Flo (Georgia, Stella, Renee)

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Keke Palmer sits down with FLO—the rising British girl group making waves in modern R&B and pop—to discuss their journey, the realities of life as a group, sisterhood, self-definition, creative agency, and navigating the music industry as young Black women. The conversation is lively, authentic, and full of humor and insight, offering a deep dive into ambition, identity, and the making of a new girl group blueprint for a new generation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

FLO's Beginnings and Becoming a Group

• The members (Georgia, Stella, Renee) bonded over shared backgrounds (all raised by single mothers) and musical training in college.
  • Georgia: “We had access to studio time via our label Island, which made the journey easier.” (09:01)
• Emini K. played a major role in their songwriting and sound development. (09:34)
• Early on, the group recognized they were creating something genuine: "We are the right type of people to be in a group together." – Renee (10:25)
• Each member brings something different, their roles and group dynamics shift as needed, ensuring every area is “always covered.” (11:19–12:20)

Navigating International Success

• The group, while based in London, spends significant time in LA, citing a stronger professional network and fan engagement in the US. (02:47)
  • Georgia: "We have a better, like, network of people there." (02:53)
• Differences between the US and UK include attitudes toward astrology and fan cultures. (03:59, 04:26)

Creative Agency & Industry Realities

• The group—despite being young—fought early for creative control, notably over their debut single "Cardboard Box":
  • “The label wanted another song, but we had to make PowerPoints to convince them.” – Stella (13:31)
• On being Black women in a predominantly white industry, they've faced challenges code-switching, self-advocating, and having their passion misunderstood as aggression.
  • Georgia: “It was balancing the fact that we were young and lacked experience, but also had really strong opinions." (38:09)
  • Stella: “You have to learn their language and speak their language for them to… make them feel special. Chess, checkers.” (39:54)

Sisterhood & Handling Conflict

• Open about the challenges of managing both friendship and business—sometimes requiring difficult conversations for the benefit of the group.
  • Renee: “All the hard conversations are only for our benefit.” (22:41)
• They deflect negativity and competition narratives by focusing on mutual support and honest self-assessment.
  • Renee: “No one can tell us about ourselves... We can't really feed into people that don't know what we know.” (30:04)
  • Georgia: “We know each other's strengths... very self-aware.” (30:59)

Female Friendship, Fan Culture, and Representation

• FLO values their fanbase, which they say closely reflects their own energy: loyal, supportive, protective yet honest.
  • Renee: “A lot of our fans are very similar to us... We've never experienced having a mean fan base.” (17:50)
• They acknowledge the importance of girl groups, especially for marginalized communities: “Especially for the girls and the gays, it's such a big thing... you can relate to each one of us." – Stella (19:11)

Living & Growing Up on the Road

• Adaptability and routine are crucial for coping with constant travel and being separated from family.
  • Renee: “A lot of our team are like our friends and our family. So even when we're away from home, we still have home.” (21:08)

Industry Recognition and Success

• Their GRAMMY nomination as the first British girl group in 20 years was a surprise and source of pride.
  • Georgia: “Shocked. We did not expect it.” (32:01)
• Awards matter, but their definitions of success center on community and personal fulfillment rather than industry validation.
  • Stella: “It's real life stuff, like the fans and the community we make... Interactions and live shows.” (35:12)

Musical Identity & Genre

• FLO rejects reductive genre labels, preferring to be seen as a “hit music group” rather than confined to R&B due to their race.
  • Georgia: “To say that we're just an R&B girl group is wild. We want to take up the whole space.” (54:09–54:54)
  • Renee: “We'll be true to our core with any genre... it's all about how we sing it and the harmonies.” (53:41)

Growth, Learning & Business Savvy

• Group members stress the need for business acumen; learning where to invest time and money (shows vs videos, marketing, etc.) has been key to their evolution.
  • Stella: “We have the whole year planned... how to distribute, budget... really get into the details.” (51:40)
  • Keke Palmer: “To be an artist, you have to be a business person.” (51:50)

Mission, Advice, and Legacy

• Mission statement to fans: “Hang in there... Thank you for believing in us. We couldn’t have done it without you... Continue to spread the word. We need to become the biggest girl group of our generation.” (56:50–57:41)
• They aspire to create a blueprint for future girl groups based on sisterhood, authenticity, and creative control.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We didn't want people to think we just make R&B. We wanted people to know we make R&B music because, I mean, it’s like a feeling." – Renee (55:01)
• "It’s such a big part of growing up... especially for the girls and the gays. It’s so important to grow up with music that is real and just fun." – Stella (19:11)
• "I love get it done, bitch. Seriously, what else is gonna happen if I didn’t do it? Then nobody..." – Keke Palmer (22:19)
• "You have to learn their language and speak their language for them to... make them feel special." – Stella (39:54)
• “If we can continue to go on tour, sell out shows... then people are buying in, and I’m able to continue to invest and continue on.” – Keke Palmer (35:47)
• "I think confidence and arrogance — there’s a very fine line. And I think the line is not so fine when you’re not white.” – Stella (47:07)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–02:58: Introduction, meeting FLO, LA vs London life
• 03:15–05:40: Pre-show fun, astrology, love languages
• 06:01–07:48: Starstruck moments (Kelly Rowland, Stevie Wonder)
• 08:11–10:25: FLO’s musical beginnings, early influences
• 11:33–12:26: Group dynamics and role-shifting
• 13:12–13:42: Creative battles with the label ("Cardboard Box" story)
• 16:49–18:51: How FLO’s fan relationships developed
• 19:08–20:03: Why girl groups matter; representation
• 22:41–23:54: Handling hard conversations, growth in communication
• 30:04–31:28: Competition narratives, coping with online negativity
• 32:01–34:21: Grammy nomination, awards, and industry validation
• 35:12–36:43: Defining success; real fans, live shows
• 38:00–41:11: Kicking down industry doors as Black British girls
• 42:16–43:24: British vs American musical roots
• 46:01–46:33: Dream collaborators: Brandy, The-Dream
• 47:06–47:50: Confidence vs Arrogance
• 47:51–50:21: “Therapy at the Club” album; clubs and catharsis
• 51:26–52:43: Business lessons from first to second album
• 54:10–55:57: Genre identity, pop aspirations
• 56:50–57:45: Final message to fans, mission statement
• 58:04–60:39: Girl group lyric challenge game

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Episode Highlights & Fun Moments

• FLO’s British charm and dry humor shine, especially during the “girl group lyric challenge.” (58:30+)
• The group’s willingness to laugh at themselves and be honest about industry confusion and learning.
• Genuine warmth and mutual admiration between Keke and her guests throughout.
• Playful asides about LA rent, London expense, and British drinking culture.
• Candid reflections on industry stereotypes and the fight to be industry “CEOs” for their own careers.

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Tone & Atmosphere

The conversation is collegial, bubbly, and honest—with lots of laughter, inside jokes, and “sister energy.” Keke Palmer is both fan and peer, making space for vulnerability and real talk about the intersection of art, business, and identity.

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For New Listeners

This episode is essential listening for anyone interested in the evolution of girl groups, the realities of modern pop, and the behind-the-scenes work of building both community and industry power as young Black women. FLO’s story is one of talent, resilience, and uncompromising sisterhood—making their rise both remarkable and relatable.

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Transcript

[Keke Palmer]

Every generation has that one girl group that becomes the soundtrack to your life. The group whose song gets you through your first crush, your first heartbreak, your first night out with your girls, and every messy, beautiful chapter in between. And for today's generation, that group is Flo. They got the vocals, they got the harmonies, they got the style. But more importantly, they built something you can't manufacture. Genuine sisterhood. In just a few short years, Georgia, Stella and Renee have become one of the most exciting voices in modern R and B. But this story is about more than music. It's about three young women building a global girl group without losing themselves, their friendship, or each other. Because coming into this industry as a black girl group meant they had to kick the door down. So today we're talking about ambition, sisterhood, success, and what it takes to create your own space when nobody's saving a seat for you. Because, baby, this is Keke Palmer. No matter what we doing in the car, just chilling pop on Amazon music, sit back and listen. Life, love, sex, science, Covering it all especially the bad. Cause money don't we fall no matter what it is we gonna make it make sense Nothing else will do but kick it with the homies and kings so grab you a drink and a snack, you enjoy and get into the vibe that only ones you know it's your girl.

[Stella]

This is.

[Keke Palmer]

This is Kiki.

[Georgia]

Baby.

[Keke Palmer]

This is Kiki Palma.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

And this is Flo. Come out here, girls. I'm so excited. I'm so excited to meet y' all and hang out with you.

[Georgia]

Girl, you look so good. That was, like, emotional.

[Keke Palmer]

Honestly.

[Stella]

Honestly, that was perfect.

[Keke Palmer]

You know, we had to give you guys your props. How are you? You guys look fabulous.

[Renee]

Thank you. So do you.

[Georgia]

Adorable.

[Keke Palmer]

So, Summer, you guys live in London full time, but you were just doing the out loud fest, and then you're gonna be doing some more stuff in la. So you're getting accustomed to the LA vibe.

[Stella]

We're definitely in LA more than at home. I don't know if my mattress is firm.

[Keke Palmer]

Do you guys feel like you'll be living in LA sometime soon?

[Renee]

Probably, like, beginning of next year.

[Keke Palmer]

Really? I know.

[Renee]

It's so close.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh. What part do y' all know what type, what town?

[Stella]

Depends how much money we've got by then.

[Keke Palmer]

No, you ain't never lied. Cause LA is expensive. But you know who's more expensive? New York.

[Georgia]

New York.

[Keke Palmer]

She needs to get. It gets to a point, you know what I mean? It gets to. But I heard that London is very expensive. London's expensive.

[Stella]

I think more than la.

[Keke Palmer]

It is. So I think you'll get like a little break, you know, a little release.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Renee]

Financial break.

[Keke Palmer]

A little financial break with la. I like that you guys are getting into the LA vibe. I know we're gonna be very happy to have you. I would love seeing y' all out of the town.

[Renee]

Yeah, I feel like we're more known there as well. Like we just feel more familiar with it.

[Georgia]

We have a better, like network of people there. Like people that we work with.

[Keke Palmer]

It's so interesting to hear that. I was so curious of how you guys feel, your fan base in relation to back home and in America. Because in the us, I mean, I don't know a lot about London. I don't get a lot of time there. But I know in the US we go up for you guys. Do you feel the same vibe back home?

[Renee]

Definitely. But I think because we don't spend a lot of time there, it's hard to feel that connection.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, yeah. So we always do a pre show pull up for our show, but obviously it's three of you girls hair. So I mean, we can just go one by 1. Stella, Georgia, Renee, and just figure out. So. So what's your zodiac sign?

[Stella]

Sag.

[Keke Palmer]

You're Sagittarius. Do you know your rising or your moon?

[Stella]

I think. I think one of them is a Taurus.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, okay.

[Stella]

Which is interesting. Cause Tauruses sometimes get on your nerves a little bit.

[Keke Palmer]

Maybe they're a little bit you. Maybe, maybe. Maybe I'm like projecting.

[Stella]

And then one's a Leo, I think.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay, okay. So some fire, double fire going on.

[Stella]

What are you?

[Georgia]

She's fiery. I'm a Capricorn.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh. That's my perfect match. I'm a Virgo. I live for a Capricorn. Very shady, but keeping it together. Very aloof, but still engaged. I love a Capricorn. What's your rising in your moon?

[Georgia]

No idea.

[Keke Palmer]

No idea.

[Georgia]

No idea.

[Keke Palmer]

What about you, Renee?

[Renee]

I'm a Libra.

[Keke Palmer]

Libra, okay. The aesthetic is aesthetic.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

But like, I can always count on a Libra for this. Do you know your rising or your moon?

[Renee]

I don't. I wouldn't know though.

[Keke Palmer]

Is astrology huge in London?

[Renee]

Not as much as in America.

[Stella]

Over here, it's like the first thing people ask.

[Keke Palmer]

It's crazy.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

What are we doing the most?

[Georgia]

It's. Hi, how are you? What's your stars now? Literally.

[Stella]

Literally.

[Keke Palmer]

What is Yalls love language. Do you know, like a physical. Are you the type of Person that likes to touch. Are you the type of person that likes to. Acts of service.

[Renee]

Acts of service and words of affirmation.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, come on. You better affirm me.

[Georgia]

Yes, please.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. What about you, Dordre?

[Georgia]

I would say acts of service.

[Keke Palmer]

Acts of service. Okay. It's giving. Let me cater to you.

[Georgia]

Yes. Wait, wait.

[Stella]

Is it what you like to receive?

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, it's what you like to receive. Oh, that was also what you like to receive? Yeah, it can be.

[Georgia]

I was saying for receiving.

[Keke Palmer]

For receiving, for giving. What do you think you give most?

[Renee]

Mm.

[Georgia]

She just received this period.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay. I show up. This is the ticket. You're welcome. What about you, Stella?

[Stella]

Physical touch.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay.

[Stella]

Which is weird cause, like, you don't

[Georgia]

like that I don't touch.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

That's crazy. You want to touch, but you don't want to be touched.

[Georgia]

When the right person.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Stella]

And poly time.

[Keke Palmer]

Poly? What is this? I thought you said in poly time. I said now. What's poly time? I'm into a little Pauly time, too. Pauly time. Yeah. Quality time. I do love sharing the same space, even if we're on our phone. Yes. Like, be next to me and be human besides.

[Stella]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

And let that be that.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

What's a question you wish you were asked more in interviews?

[Stella]

Oh, my gosh.

[Keke Palmer]

You have the cutest chin that I've literally ever seen.

[Georgia]

Thank you. I don't know. I feel like we only know when it happens.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

Get that question and we'll actually, like, say, wow, thank you. This is such a good question. Thank you.

[Stella]

But does anything like.

[Keke Palmer]

Well, I know when I was doing my research, I was like, I can't ask him how the group got together. Oh, thank you. I didn't want to bring y' all through it. I was like, I can tell they don't want to be asked that.

[Stella]

You don't know how many times he got.

[Keke Palmer]

I heard it too many times. Yeah, we together. We got together. We met. We like each other. Yes, yes, yes. So I did take that note. Okay. Who is someone that you've met that made you feel starstruck?

[Stella]

Ooh, Teddy Rowland.

[Georgia]

Oh, come on.

[Keke Palmer]

Kelly Rowland.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Stella]

I hope I do not.

[Keke Palmer]

They're gonna get on me about constantly slipping into yalls accidents.

[Georgia]

That's fine.

[Renee]

Cause you're good.

[Keke Palmer]

This just makes me happy. I feel like I'm one of the girls.

[Renee]

Yes, you are one of the girls.

[Keke Palmer]

So Kelly Rowland. We love Kelly. Kelly. Hands down.

[Stella]

Kelly.

[Georgia]

Brandy Smith.

[Keke Palmer]

Brandi Perry.

[Georgia]

I mean, of course, Mariah Carey. Mariah Carey just met Stevie Wonder.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my God.

[Stella]

Oh, my God.

[Georgia]

And that was definitely like. That was quite. I don't know. It was quite different in a way. Like, we went to his studio, so it felt very. It felt very real but surreal.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

I feel like a lot of people, like, we've. It's kind of felt a bit more like, casual. Not casual.

[Stella]

Intimate.

[Georgia]

Yeah. With him, it felt intimate, but sometimes it will be, like, at an event. So there's kind of like, this pressure. It's just like, hi, we love you. Bye. But this really felt like I was like. We was, like, sitting down, tapping a little shower. It was like, oh, my God, this thing is.

[Keke Palmer]

And it honestly feel like it really matches to me. Like, I could imagine y' all doing some collaboration with Stevie. Cause I think that's one of the things people love so much about you guys, too, as a girl group is you're really singing. Y' all be into the harmonies. Y' all gonna give a whole moment and arrangement. And so I would love to see more with y' all in this Stevie vibe. What kind of bag can we get in?

[Renee]

Same with Stevie, definitely. Just the classic, like, true music.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

A song.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A full one with the bridge. Maybe they cut the bridges out lately. Cause they trying to get them streams up anyway. Okay, so we already know how you guys got together as a girl group, but maybe I can just say, like, in the beginning, right before you made this transition, what was happening in your life at that time? Like, were you kind of figuring out what you wanted to do? Did you know you were gonna be doing music full time? Like, who were you before you guys became Flo?

[Stella]

I mean, we were studying music in college, so. College? That's like 17, 18 years old.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Stella]

And I think it was the last year of me and Georgia being in college. Right. That we got in the group, and Renee was in her first year. So we were. We knew what we wanted to do.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

So it was.

[Stella]

We didn't really have that, like, awkward time after school where we were like,

[Keke Palmer]

that was just like, how am I going to make this work? How are we going to get it together?

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Who do you credit for your development? Aside from. Obviously each other.

[Stella]

Right.

[Renee]

But, like, we definitely had access to, like, studio time via our label island, which definitely made the journey easier because we didn't really have to worry about paying for it.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Renee]

So that from direction for that.

[Keke Palmer]

What about those early nights?

[Stella]

Till later.

[Keke Palmer]

Till later. Suddenly I have a 500 tour date. Like, what the hell? So who were some of Those early producers that you guys worked with that you feel like, really helped to develop you guys sound.

[Georgia]

Emini K. Emini K. For sure. Emani K. Emini K. Come on.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Georgia]

He's literally taught us most of what we know when it comes to writing songs and, like, what we want to hear in production. It was a lot of him, like, Jamal.

[Renee]

Jamal Woon, like, a lot of UK collaborators.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, I love that. Shout out to. I need to take my ass up there. Come on. Again.

[Stella]

Yes.

[Georgia]

Oh, my God. You did. Oh, my God.

[Stella]

That would be amazing.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

So you guys immediately knew. Cause, I mean, look, when you're on your road to music, whether it's you yourself or you with the group, you know, or, you know, when it's not the right situation for sure, what lets you know that this was a combination that you could really get with, that you felt like, no, no. Like, I think. I think this is going to be real for us. Like, we can actually be a group, definitely each other.

[Renee]

Like, I felt really comfortable with the vision of flow because I feel like we are the right type of people to be in a group together.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Stella]

Yeah. Also, like, our lives were not. We. We grew up the same way and kind of like, we all were raised by single mums. Come on. So, like, we've seen the hard work. We have the ambition. And so that definitely helped us to be like, okay, we're like sisters and only children. No, can't sing

[Keke Palmer]

now. I know your mom's a. She an Olympian?

[Georgia]

Yes, she used to be. Well, she's. I guess you're always called an Olympian.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, once you're an Olympian, you're an Olympian. So I'm sure you learned a lot about discipline. For sure. And determination from her.

[Georgia]

She could have helped me a little bit more, but definitely her, like, message was, like, I didn't need to be, like, traditional in terms of education because, like, she didn't do that. And. But if I found something that was my passion, like, she did, like, athletics was her passion, then you make it a career, but, like, you have to make it a career and you just

[Keke Palmer]

gotta go with the flow. When you guys say chemistry, because you were talking about how you guys fit, I mean, who are you guys to each other in the group, right? Like, it's like, who's the peacemaker? Who's the comic relief? Who's the one that. Let's go outside. Let's get into the sound. Like, what role do y' all play? Or do y' all switch it up? You know, at any given Time.

[Renee]

It really does. Like, it depends on cycles.

[Keke Palmer]

Cause that can change everything. I could be the monster real fast. Okay. Come on. Monster mash,

[Renee]

bro.

[Stella]

Yeah, it really depends. It depends.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

I think of it all.

[Georgia]

Yeah, it does depend.

[Renee]

It does change.

[Georgia]

Because we've all had to do every role at some point.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Renee]

But that's why that could be three. Yeah. Like, we're always covered in all areas because there's three of us.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. And three is a tough number, though, sometimes, because it's like, you know, how do you guys all decide on one thing? Like, has there ever been a time

[Georgia]

three is the perfect number?

[Renee]

Honestly, Any more would be too many.

[Stella]

If two people agree, then it's a democracy. It's a democracy.

[Keke Palmer]

Have you guys ever had a moment where it's like, sorry, boo, this is the song. Or, hey, boo, this is the look. You know, it's like you guys are

[Georgia]

going, like, maybe more recently.

[Renee]

When we were deciding what songs to put on our album, that was one song that we were, like, quite unsure about. And it was definitely, like, I was outruled and it was, like, cool.

[Keke Palmer]

And have you been proven?

[Stella]

Well, we don't actually know if we can take it off the album.

[Renee]

Yeah, we don't know what's happening.

[Stella]

It might be a bit late.

[Keke Palmer]

Song you'll be. That is so true.

[Renee]

You really never know.

[Stella]

People have said that to us. It's the one we don't want is the big song.

[Keke Palmer]

Isn't that so weird how that happens? I mean, when you think about your debut single that came out in 2022. Did you. Were you guys 100% unanimous on that being. Oh, yes, we were.

[Stella]

We had to tell the label. Yeah, the label watched.

[Renee]

We had to fight.

[Stella]

Oh, yeah, we were making PowerPoints.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh, you guys. So wait, no, we need that corporate process, you know? Cause they see the people, the fans see the creative process, but they don't know that our girls have to also be CEOs.

[Renee]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

In order to be an artist in this game, you have to have the power. I can't tell you how many times I've slaved over a deck trying to put all my insights together and why this is the correct move to make with me. So tell me the process of, like, being, like, putting your packaging together or getting your stuff together where you were confident and having to get the label to sign off and believe, like, what were the steps you made? A presentation.

[Georgia]

Yeah, yeah.

[Stella]

I mean, we had been making. Making music for, like, two years, up until we even put a song Out. And there was this one so called ladies with me. And it was cute.

[Renee]

It was cute.

[Stella]

It was cute. Like, it was a fine song.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Stella]

But I think that they wanted us to, like, get to Cardboard Box. Cardboard Box, everyone knew, was a big song.

[Keke Palmer]

Cardbox kick the Door.

[Stella]

They were like, it's too early song out.

[Georgia]

But we were like, no, we need to come out the gates.

[Stella]

Hello. Yes, girls, let's go. And the PowerPoint actually had, like a whole EP.

[Georgia]

Yeah. It was the first Beyond One song. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh. Cardboard Box. I do wanna. I had to wrote down the legs, so I had to ask you guys something about that. This one particular leg. Let me get my cards together. Now that we own Cardboard Box. Cause I need to know. Okay, so you guys say this in the song. You ain't gonna change, boy. What's the point in stringing me along? We're done for real. So I'm gonna put the Cardboard box Cardboard box Changing my number and I'm changing the lock so spill the tea Was it based on a real experience?

[Georgia]

I wish there was some tea. Like, we were children when we literally.

[Renee]

I think we were like, 17 and 18.

[Georgia]

It's just all about, like, fantasy, especially at that age. It was just like, y' all were like, honestly.

[Keke Palmer]

But also, Gary, getting a little tired of your brother.

[Renee]

Yes, exactly. Exactly. But, like, as a girl group, like, we look to certain artists, and they've always had that kind of, like, I'm gonna do this. I'll bust the windows out your car. So we were just channeling that energy. Like, the day. The day is gonna come when we're gonna do some. Yeah, like, we can take it there.

[Keke Palmer]

So what is it like for you guys, like, as artists? And I love what you said because it is about also building a fantasy. Like, your fans get to know you, like, in your interviews, or when they get to be around you, but, like, making sure they know that. Like, also the music. I'm trying to give you the entertainment that you need. How was it crafting the personality? Like, what were the groups that you guys kind of looked at or were like, I don't wanna say fashioning yourselves after, but, like, deciding how to give people that show, that girl group.

[Georgia]

Like, I feel like we didn't really do a lot of that. Like, I think naturally, everything we knew,

[Keke Palmer]

like, was in the zeitgeist.

[Georgia]

Exactly. Like, it was all just instilled in us. And because we had Emonike, who is so knowledgeable about girl groups.

[Keke Palmer]

I love Emani K name.

[Stella]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

Fabulous.

[Georgia]

Fabulous. Like, we really just followed his lead.

[Stella]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Georgia]

And it was one of those things where it was like, you have someone who kind of knows what they're talking about, and you just, like, learn.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

We weren't very like, we can't be like that. We can't be like that. We can't be like that. We were just like, if it feels right, yeah, great.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. And you knew you wanted to bring that attitude. And you guys have a good relationship with your audience, too. I'm curious on how you were able to establish that, because, you know, there's one thing when you have a fan base, and then it's like, sometimes you might have. Where it's like. Is crazy. I feel like your relationship with Yalls fans, they're very much, deeply engaged, but also supportive. Like, they have a good warming. Like, I love Yalls Stan group. How was it kind of getting that relationship going?

[Stella]

It's amazing. Like, they are the reason we are where we are. Like, we really got our fan base before everything.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes.

[Georgia]

We've got a fan base and no hair.

[Keke Palmer]

My boy Lawrence Murray, AKA Laro, I had to shout him out because he's the first person that put. I swear he was y' all first thing. And he was like, yo, Keke, you need to know about flow, because I'm always looking for the next. Like, I love. I love seeing and spotting new talent, figuring out how to, like, know what's happening in culture before y' all had y' all first hit anything. He knew. And I was like, yes, put me on the flow. So I'm really happy to have his name.

[Renee]

I feel like we got lucky because a lot of our fans are very similar to us, like, just in terms of how they carry themselves. So we've never really experienced having, like, a mean fan base or having to tell people, like, don't be like that. Like, just get it.

[Keke Palmer]

And they stand up for y', all, but they stand up and be like, let them cook. Let them cook because my brother's coming back. Don't even wait a minute. Like, it's like, the instant.

[Georgia]

But they're still honest as well, which is nice.

[Renee]

It's a healthy dynamic because we're really

[Georgia]

honest, and we do appreciate constructive criticism. And, like, we never want to be like. I think the worst thing is having delusional fans.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

Like, we have very not delusional fans.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

And I feel like maybe we're all delusional. The delusional level.

[Keke Palmer]

I know exactly what you mean, though. And they also seem like they're little keyed into the industry.

[Georgia]

Like, they're all ready to let.

[Keke Palmer]

They're ready to know. Like, you don't know what they had to go through. Like, the tingle was like, you know, they kind of given. It's very funny how that has happened, but it helps us as entertainers because it's like, yeah. Know a little something so that you can know where I'm coming from.

[Stella]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

Why do you think people are so hungry for girl groups right now? Like, and obviously this. I think this is like the space where you guys have literally, yeah. Came in and been like, we here to save the day. But for a minute, you know, we didn't have any type of thing like that. Why do you think people wanted it so much?

[Stella]

I feel like it's such a big part of, like, growing up.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Stella]

I feel like the generation before us, they kind of had it. Yeah. And so they want to see it again. And then the younger ones, like, they know it's happened for the other generations and it's like, especially for the girls and the gays, it's like such a big thing. It is so important to, like, grow up with music that is so real and just fun. And then they can relate to each one of us.

[Georgia]

It's just like, it makes people think that they're a part of something. Not. I don't want to say think, because they are, but they look at something and they're like, this is something that I can kind of see myself in. Yeah. Like join. Whereas if it's your one person, it's kind of like, how do you, like, infiltrate that? But if it's like a group, you just like, yeah, I want to join the group. Like, I want to be a part of this community.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes, yes, yes. It's usually an archetype, too, kind of thing where you're like, I'm so and so. Like, in Destiny's Child, I was always Kelly Rowland. I'm Kelly. You know what I mean? Like, so there's always somebody that you can identify with. I think it's really, really fun, too. Make me think about Spice Girls. You could be Sporty Spice one day. Baby spice and eggs. You know what I mean? Posh. You know, we live for that. I mean. But also, you guys are traveling a lot, right? So when you thinking about how much your life has changed from the beginning, early days to the success you have now, how are you being able to maintain being grounded with being so far away from your family and stuff like that?

[Renee]

Definitely, like, seeing family when we can But I feel like, because this has been our lives from the very beginning, so it doesn't feel drastically different. Like, we just get on with it. Like, working seven days a week is normal to us, really. We know about that.

[Keke Palmer]

And the traveling. I always feel like that was always. Even to this day, that's something that's really always annoying to me. I mean, it's just, you know, plane after plane after plane after plane.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

After a while, just his tax within itself. Not having any types of routines. Are you guys ritual girls?

[Renee]

I definitely like, like to keep some type of routine whenever we can. Yeah. It's like you have to get the balance right of, like, taking a break when you need it, but working in an efficient way. But I also going back to before, I think we're lucky because a lot of our team are like our friends and our family. So even when we're away from home, we still have home.

[Keke Palmer]

Like they become. Or they're actually your relatives.

[Renee]

Oh, none are actually our relatives, but

[Keke Palmer]

they feel families and family.

[Georgia]

Family.

[Keke Palmer]

There has to be.

[Georgia]

I love that.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, I love that.

[Stella]

It's just the only way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Now, what would you say that you have been learning? Right. If you're thinking about, like, growing up, you guys are saying you're single moms. Are there teachings and things that they gave you that you feel like are coming out to fruition while, you know, kind of being on your own and being out on the road and doing all this kinds of work? Have you seen any of those kind of things come back like, oh, you know what? My mom and them, they was, you

[Georgia]

know, Or I think the main one is just that kind of boss bitch attitude. Yeah. I think that's really the most important thing that, like, we could have ever learned from our moms, which is just doing what you have to do. Yeah, yeah.

[Stella]

Get it done, bitch. Get it done.

[Keke Palmer]

That's right. I love get it done, bitch.

[Renee]

Get it done.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Seriously, what else is gonna happen if I didn't do it? Then nobody. You know what I mean?

[Renee]

How would we know?

[Keke Palmer]

Come on. But it's also tough when you are on the road and the people that. That you work with are your family. That means you have to have a lot of hard conversations sometimes. How do you guys handle that when it's like, I need my space or, you know, whatever it could be, you

[Renee]

know, it's definitely good because all the hard conversations are only for our benefit. So I feel like we understand those type of conversations.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

It used to be difficult.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

Like, I Think people.

[Keke Palmer]

You don't want her to buy feelings, you know? Yeah.

[Georgia]

But I think there was definitely a. Like, a period where people kind of avoided us in a way or, like, avoided having big conversations with us because we didn't take them very well. But we, like, we were a little. I'm saying we can.

[Renee]

We can join you, but I think it was hard.

[Georgia]

Thank you, Renee.

[Stella]

You're young.

[Renee]

I think we were young, but also, we didn't really have a lot of people that we respected their opinions and, like, now we're stable.

[Keke Palmer]

It's like. Cause who are you and why? You don't have the credentials.

[Renee]

But, you know, like, you know, I feel like a lot of our journey in the beginning was us fighting for, like, what we think is wrong.

[Georgia]

We were fighting for our lives.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh. It was hard being. Maybe I'm throwing out a guess, too. It's probably hard being the youngest person in the room and being like, we got our hands on the poles.

[Stella]

Yeah. And it's like, we knew what we were talking about.

[Renee]

And I think even though we were,

[Georgia]

like, completely inexperienced, but we knew.

[Stella]

We know Gargoyle. And I think a lot of people in labels, like, they hadn't worked with a girl group.

[Georgia]

Yes.

[Stella]

Like, we haven't had a girl group in that.

[Keke Palmer]

Do you know what I mean?

[Georgia]

Like, we were doing the karaoke. You were doing the karaoke.

[Keke Palmer]

Would y' all ever do a reality show? Oh, my God. Produced by me.

[Stella]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

Coming soon. Oh, my God.

[Stella]

Please.

[Keke Palmer]

Legitimately, guys, I want to watch y'. All. Like the demon hunter girl.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

That would be so cool. I want to be in Flo with Flo. Uh. Oh. On the Go with Flo. We gonna find it by the end of the day.

[Georgia]

Are you finding on the go with Flo, bitch?

[Keke Palmer]

Yes.

[Renee]

She's crazy. Okay, it's coming. It's coming.

[Stella]

Wow, she's good. Wow, she's really good.

[Keke Palmer]

Guys, I'm obsessed with you. Okay, but wait a minute. Let's get into this real quick, because are y' all dating? I'm not trying to get into y' all business. Y' all ain't gotta tell me who it is. Okay, but let's get into the real stuff that the girls wanna know about. Are the girls out here on the town getting wined and dined?

[Stella]

Yes,

[Georgia]

Baby.

[Keke Palmer]

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[Renee]

They found that Mr.

[Keke Palmer]

So Y' all already in a relationship?

[Renee]

I'm single.

[Keke Palmer]

You're single. Okay. So wait a minute. So you're in a relationship? How long you guys been.

[Stella]

Two years.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay, cool.

[Georgia]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

In the business. Not in the business.

[Stella]

In the business.

[Keke Palmer]

Do the world know?

[Stella]

Some of them know. The world? The Cavs. The world. The Cavs know.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay.

[Renee]

Boom.

[Keke Palmer]

So they do know.

[Stella]

Mm.

[Keke Palmer]

What about yours?

[Georgia]

I have Been in a relationship for six and a half years.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my girl. That's your man. Oh, my gosh. Six. Yes.

[Georgia]

Yes. And he is actually a part of our management team. Hold it in.

[Keke Palmer]

Come on, tell me. I'm Atola. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm crazy. Okay, six years. Bam. And. So are you looking for somebody or what?

[Renee]

No, I'm not.

[Keke Palmer]

She's that self.

[Renee]

I'm looking.

[Georgia]

Yes.

[Renee]

I'm looking for myself. I just think I've been in couple relationships, and I love your voice.

[Georgia]

Thank you. It got very demure. Really fun relationships.

[Renee]

I always end up single.

[Keke Palmer]

They end up single.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Georgia]

Thank you.

[Renee]

By choice. Yes, by choice. But I think that, like, I'm really young. I'm 23, and I need to just look in with myself. Like, I just need to focus. They'll come, you know, no distractions. Yes. When it comes, they'll come. That's. That's great. But I'm just not actively looking because, like, dating is long and, like, it takes a lot. Nobody got time for that. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

That's why I also had asked, because it's like sometimes we don't have the schedule for it.

[Renee]

No, I don't. You know what I mean?

[Keke Palmer]

The emotional bandwidth and it. You know what I mean? It requires a lot. But I mean, also, being desired is a part of being in your womanhood too. So having a little moment just for romance and stuff, it also is inspirational to the music. So, you know, I'm like, you know, how does that play a role in your life?

[Georgia]

Renee is our music.

[Stella]

Oh, my goodness. Her love Lies is our muse because

[Keke Palmer]

it gives you something to play with even if there ain't no good. Hell, that's better. He came through the door. I told him go, yeah. Why my thing goes so old?

[Georgia]

Wow.

[Renee]

I think we need to do a session.

[Keke Palmer]

Accomplishing,

[Georgia]

please. Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

How do you guys feel? Like you resist being trapped by controversies. Because one of the things that kills me about it with girl groups is that people love girl groups just to be able to be like, she's my favorite her. She need to go them. It's like, almost like they're the ones. They're the reasons why we don't have a girl group. Because you guys tore them all apart.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

So how do you, like, you know, help each other in those times and periods where it's like, okay, they just trying to always force us to a competition. I mean, I don't even know how, if that's what you experience, but I just know that is the reality. Sometimes of girl groups. So how do you guys prepare yourselves for this thing?

[Renee]

I think what's good is that no one can tell us about ourselves.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay.

[Renee]

Like, we. We have an opinion of ourselves. We have an opinion of each other. Right. And so we can't really feed into, like, these people that don't know what we know.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Stella]

And. And also, like, we know we wouldn't go online and write something like that. Therefore, what they're going through, they need prayer. Yeah. Like, you're not happy and like.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm sorry.

[Stella]

Sorry. You know, so you take picture.

[Georgia]

Soul.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Georgia]

You know, and we're also, like, we're not done. Like, it's too early for us to be taken.

[Stella]

Give us a sec.

[Keke Palmer]

Do you know what I mean?

[Renee]

We're still marinating.

[Georgia]

It's premature.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

Like, we have, like, conversations amongst, like, first of all, we know each other's strengths. We know each other's weaknesses. I wouldn't call them weaknesses. I'd call them jelly. Just things.

[Renee]

Yeah, okay.

[Georgia]

Just things that aren't strengths. And.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

Like, we know we're very self aware and we're like, we're. We're working hard, you know, we're working hard to, like, improve on all of the things that, like, we're not happy with within ourselves. And that's really all we can do. Yeah. And we're happy to do that. That's like, kind of like one of the best parts, especially when it comes to, like, live. Watching our live vocals improve.

[Keke Palmer]

I've always felt that you guys have been good from the beginning. I'll be honest with you. When I first. You know what I mean? I really, truly did. There's been moments with people where you're like, oh, they need some. But I felt like everything with you guys has been a consistent growth moment. And from the beginning, it was like, okay, they could sing. They came to sing. We locked in, so, you know. Fabulous.

[Renee]

Thank you.

[Keke Palmer]

Bringing us to the Grammy. Not my name. I mean, guys, what was it like to be. I mean, you are the first British girl group nominated in 20 years. Yeah. Crazy. That's kind of like crazy. What were you thinking when you guys got that nomination? Tell me where you were. Like, what was?

[Georgia]

Shocked.

[Keke Palmer]

Me and R.H. she said shocked.

[Georgia]

Shocked.

[Keke Palmer]

It was insane.

[Renee]

Yes, it was.

[Stella]

We did not expect it. We didn't expect it. We actually didn't expect it.

[Georgia]

No idea.

[Keke Palmer]

No idea.

[Stella]

We weren't together.

[Georgia]

No.

[Stella]

Georgia was going somewhere, right?

[Georgia]

Yes. Yes.

[Stella]

Yeah. Me and Renee were in the studio

[Georgia]

and I called them. It's so Annoying because they were in my house and I just left and I'm thinking, well, like, do you know what I mean? But anyways. But I. So I could feel a part of it. I called them to tell them as

[Renee]

opposed to like someone just telling us. Yeah.

[Georgia]

But I still had fomo.

[Renee]

But it was just, just.

[Georgia]

I know.

[Renee]

It's fine.

[Georgia]

It's fine. Because. Never mind.

[Keke Palmer]

We're gonna wait.

[Renee]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

Right, right, right, right.

[Stella]

We really actually didn't even and, like, wake up and say it's the nomination day. It was such a surprise.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Wow. And then. Did it make you anxious? I know. Victoria Monet's actually been talking a lot about winning her Grammy and kind of the after effects of sometimes when you get such these achievements because whether you win or whatever nominated is, you know, it's already a thing. Did you feel that it put any more pressure on you or.

[Renee]

I feel like, if anything, it put more of a pep in our step because we. But to some extent we thought we were gonna win because it felt like we could win this for sure. But then it was humbling for us to remember that you have to work extremely hard and it takes multiple years for you to clear the Grammys. So to even be there after our first album, that's crazy.

[Keke Palmer]

And to be acknowledged, to be seen. A lot of music that comes out, as we all know.

[Renee]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

That doesn't even get a chance to even be submitted or seen. So it's definitely next level. Who did win?

[Stella]

And he's.

[Keke Palmer]

We do love Duran.

[Georgia]

We do.

[Keke Palmer]

But also it's kind of like, what's with y' all categories? Cuz why me and Duran in the same one? Well, it was massive.

[Renee]

R and B. I think we have a bit more. We have a bit more listening.

[Keke Palmer]

I couldn't tell you.

[Renee]

No, the group categories is where they get you.

[Keke Palmer]

That doesn't make much sense.

[Georgia]

Yeah. I think. And this is another thing as well. I think across the most awards, all award shows, like, obviously, I don't want to get in, like to it too much because we're always grateful nominations, but

[Keke Palmer]

like being critical but respectfully, there's definitely

[Georgia]

inconsistencies when it comes to categories in England, over here, like everywhere. And I think that that is a big reason why we don't put a lot of pressure on ourselves when it comes to these things. Because we've. We re like, we've seen people that we thought deserve to win, lose. So, you know, there's always a level of, if you win, it's nice, but if you don't win. Just remember that it's not the be all end. It's kind of a bit of like a whole politics.

[Keke Palmer]

There's a lot involved, a lot of different steps. What would you say that you define success by? Like, would it be making sure that your tours are sold out? Would it be people listening to the music and streaming? Like, what, What. What are the things where you're like, as long as we're X, Y and Z, I'm happy. And it might be different for all of you.

[Stella]

I think it's real life stuff, like the fans and the community we make. And when people come to us and say, you, like, you changed my life. Like, you saved me.

[Renee]

Even, like last night.

[Georgia]

Yeah, yeah.

[Stella]

Like just interactions and live shows. Because live shows, they just.

[Renee]

There's nothing like.

[Georgia]

It also, like, live shows make a lot of the money as well.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay.

[Georgia]

So it's like a fair kind of. It's like a real in person moment where you're with everyone, and it's also one of the things that make a lot of money too. So I definitely think that, that. Because, you know, at the end of the day, money is like, it's important.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. It's great that you guys like to tour because for any artist, I always say that's really what I. I've always defined success for myself by continuity. If I can continue to do something and if I can continue to go on tour, sell out shows, then I can continue because people are buying in and I'm able to continue to invest and continue on. And so I think, you know, the fact that. But it's also one of the hardest things to do. So the fact that you guys can get up, go, be ready on the road, hit it, and do your thing, that's like, hats off to you. It takes a lot of discipline. It's not easy. Okay. Okay. What is the craziest tour story that you actually can share?

[Georgia]

Okay, this is another one of, like,

[Keke Palmer]

the ones that people do this question when we need to, like, do more crazy, because that was also crazy. Like, it is ridiculous. Who did this?

[Georgia]

It wasn't because we don't have an answer, but there's one. I can give you, like, a beautiful moment. It's not crazy. We don't need it. She don't want it.

[Keke Palmer]

We don't need it.

[Georgia]

Nobody wants it.

[Keke Palmer]

Well, tell me about that mechanical bull ride with Kehlani. Oh, my God.

[Stella]

Yeah, I lost. Yeah. That was intense.

[Keke Palmer]

Was that a first mechanical bull moment? Do y' all do that in London?

[Georgia]

No.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, it's not. It's an American thing, I guess, because we do the cowboy.

[Stella]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay.

[Renee]

It was really fun, though. Like, we.

[Keke Palmer]

How long did you last?

[Georgia]

Not long.

[Renee]

Lastly, like 20 seconds.

[Georgia]

You just gave us our answers.

[Renee]

I love that.

[Stella]

That is a good interviewer.

[Keke Palmer]

What about this? What about, I'm a fine size, I can't let my girls down. I can't let my girls down. Thank you. Okay. Had to be on point for you.

[Georgia]

Thank you.

[Stella]

So.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, that's interesting. First mechanical bull ride with Kehlani. She's a lot of fun.

[Renee]

Love her.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. Cool. Great. We'll be moving on in the Guardian. 2023.

[Stella]

Georgia. Uh.

[Renee]

Oh.

[Keke Palmer]

You said coming in as a girl group, a black girl group, we have to kick the door down. We can't afford to be half arsed. They really spelled it Britishly A R,

[Renee]

S, E, D. Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

So when you say kick the door down, I mean, what were the actual doors for you? And I say it specifically. Cause as a black woman, we all have our. You know, we're not a monolith. So what we feel like we are up against is unique to all of us. So for y', all, what were your major things? And then the black British of it all, as opposed to the black American of it all.

[Stella]

Yeah, I.

[Georgia]

I'll be quick.

[Stella]

Go on.

[Georgia]

I think it was really just about the relationship we had going on with the label. That was definitely our initial issue in the beginning. It's definitely grown leaps and bounds, like where we are now. But rewind. It was really hard. And I think it was just balancing the fact that we were young and lacked experience in the industry, but we also had really strong opinions. So trying to make sure our opinions and, like, our desires were being met, but whilst also kind of having to be like, the three black girls, young black girls that didn't really know what we were talking about or didn't know

[Keke Palmer]

how to speak the language of the industry. Even though you knew exactly what the culture would desire from you as a group.

[Georgia]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

It's a very hard combination. You know, code switching and learning the language, but not letting the language define your artistry. Not being, you know.

[Georgia]

Yeah, it's different. It's a balancing act.

[Stella]

That was literally my answer. I think. I think it's like she would give

[Keke Palmer]

me a high five.

[Georgia]

Oh, what did you think I was doing?

[Stella]

That she gave.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, she thought it was that, I think. Very weird what you did when we were on Baby to Keep Calmer earlier. Why the hand?

[Stella]

No. Yes. Oh, true. It's like I Think people seeing our passion as a passion and not as we're saying, you're wrong and you're against us. You know, it's like, we actually all have the same goal here, but I think that's also been for us to learn.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Stella]

You know, how to really be respected. But, yeah, in that way, you have to. You have to learn their language and speak their language for them to. You have to make them feel special.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Stella]

In a lot of ways as well.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes, you do.

[Stella]

Chess, Checkers.

[Georgia]

There was also that, like, whole, like, we don't want to be perceived as, like, angry and aggressive. I'll be honest. Personally, I didn't care. I was just willing to do that because I'm just like, this is what we're not gonna do right now. We're not gonna do that right now.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

So if that's what has to be done, that's what has to be done. And there's been, like, a lot of having to kind of undo, but it was worth.

[Renee]

Necessary.

[Georgia]

Yeah, it was so worth it. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Anything you want to add? You don't have to.

[Georgia]

I just.

[Keke Palmer]

Making sure you're checking in.

[Renee]

I feel, like perception and identity, not necessarily with the industry, but with, like, fans and people that look at us, was something that took a long time to figure out and develop and was always kind of, like, in the back of my mind, like, because, you know, people see a group and they put all their opinions on it, but it's just something that evolved with time because we couldn't really base ourselves on other groups. Like, people would always be like, who is Flo? Like, and we just.

[Keke Palmer]

We're just figuring it out.

[Georgia]

It's us, right?

[Renee]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

That's Flo.

[Renee]

Thank you. But, yeah, that was definitely something that took a while, and we're still figuring it out, but we're in a better place now.

[Keke Palmer]

Who do you think people wanted? And maybe you don't know, but who do you think people wanted Flo to be?

[Renee]

I think.

[Georgia]

I think there were. Obviously, there was, like, a lot of Destiny's Child comparisons, but then that was also, like, hard for.

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, come on. Destiny's Child.

[Georgia]

It's, like, the biggest compliment ever. But then at the same time, there was definitely a. You know, there was a very clear, like, dynamic between that group, which we didn't want anything to do with, and also, again, like, I mean, they was dancing, they were singing. Like, we still have, like, a long way to go before we reach, like, that standard, which we are, you know, working towards. So that was kind Of. But no, we never, like. We never hate to be compared to them.

[Renee]

No.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. You're just saying that people kind of didn't have a reference of a North Star, so they chose the highest one. That is obviously remarkable and great, but also different from you guys as well. And you know, you're comparing me to somebody that's been around for 30 years. We just coming up. So I totally get that. I really do. And it's like the British of it all.

[Stella]

Right. I feel like.

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, I know a couple of artists, you know what I'm saying? But I feel like. How much do you feel like it's your duty to bring that representation into your music? Or do you feel it at all? Cause music influence is music influence. I don't know how much you feel influenced by the British R and B scene or not.

[Stella]

I mean, we're definitely more influenced by the American just cause there's more of it. And it's incredible. It started over here, but we love being British.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Stella]

And there are girl groups and, you know, Spice Girls.

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, Spice Girls for sure. I love Spice Girls. You know, I love, you know, my man Craig David. Okay, Craig David. I mean, he's great. You know what I mean? But I always ask that when I think about the diaspora. It's like all of our different influences and how we all feel heavy to represent it in our work.

[Stella]

I think it helps because we're British a bit different.

[Georgia]

Yeah, yeah. Like, that's definitely the thing we love the most about kind of like British music is the authenticity that, like, came with it. That is, I think, where we try and like, channel our Britishism by just being like ourselves, Authentic.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, baby. This is Iki Paul.

[Georgia]

My. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

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[Renee]

Something different. Well, I feel like Brandy would give us something real.

[Stella]

We have to take that off.

[Georgia]

This is giving always day 200 of asking Brandy.

[Keke Palmer]

Brandy clean. But that would be an easily thing.

[Renee]

Yes. Like, I feel like it would be a really elevated.

[Stella]

Like, we have to pick that off.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Stella]

We just have to.

[Keke Palmer]

I would love to see our brand.

[Renee]

That's definitely a dream.

[Georgia]

Even if it doesn't come out, we can learn so much.

[Keke Palmer]

I would love the dream to pin something for y'.

[Stella]

All.

[Renee]

Ooh, yes.

[Stella]

Yes.

[Renee]

We've been trying to get in with the dream for a minute as well.

[Keke Palmer]

I think that would be sickening. I would love to. Love to see that y' all in the dream. Would give me some excitement. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, you kind of already said this. I was gonna bring this up, but you kind of already said where you don't have this issue with letting your confidence lead. Because I think sometimes, especially as black women and as women in general, everything can immediately be seen as arrogant if you're just trying to be confident and bring it to the table. But I know, Georgia, you said, like, I don't mind being that person and wearing that mask if that's what it's gonna have to take. And so I imagine that's kind of how you guys all feel.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Stella]

I mean, I think confidence and arrogance, like, there's a very fine line. And I think the line is not so fine when you're not white. That makes sense, like, because we are confident, and, like, maybe sometimes that is a bit of arrogance, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

[Renee]

Yeah. It's nothing to do with.

[Georgia]

Yeah, it's comparing. Yeah.

[Stella]

It's not that we think we're better than anybody. Like, it really isn't. It's just we've also seen how much we've grown, and we know what we have in our back pocket. Like, we really. We're proud of ourselves.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Renee]

She's full.

[Stella]

Like, you know, so it's not arrogance. But I. You have to. You have to know you're.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Stella]

To get someone.

[Georgia]

Otherwise, how's anyone else gonna believe it?

[Stella]

Believe it.

[Renee]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

Absolutely love that. Let's talk about your second album, Therapy in the Club. Therapy at the Club.

[Georgia]

Excuse me.

[Keke Palmer]

I love the title.

[Georgia]

It's the same issue.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

You be, like, therapy in the club, too. At the club. Which is grammatically correct.

[Renee]

Yes. I may never know. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

But as we all know, the club will very much turn therapy real quick. What are the different ways that the club has turned into therapy for y'?

[Georgia]

All?

[Keke Palmer]

Like, have y' all been in there being like, come on, girl, let's get it together. Have you run into an ex or a type of a situation? Like, what are your. Are you even in the club?

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

You know what I mean? Or were you just.

[Georgia]

That's another fantasy.

[Renee]

Honestly. No, this one's real. I feel like every time I go to the club, it's therapy. Like, there's a different thing to overcome or to just. Like, I either need a pep talk or I need to find somebody, or I need to have a fun night with my girls, or I'm in the bathroom and I need somebody to help me get it together.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay.

[Renee]

Every single time period, I feel like

[Keke Palmer]

if I'm going to the club, I'm already in need of therapy. Cause that's the only reason I'm going. I Don't really go to the club to have fun. I go to the club to forget that life hasn't been fun.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

To be quite honest, you're gonna love our album.

[Stella]

Thank you.

[Keke Palmer]

She said thank you for that.

[Georgia]

I would say that for me, I find that going to the club, there's almost like, no consequences. Like, I think outside of the club, I can really struggle with confrontation, like, as in confronting my feelings. But in the club, once.

[Stella]

Bit loose.

[Georgia]

Bit loose.

[Keke Palmer]

A little bit loose.

[Georgia]

I'll be telling everyone the things I don't like about them in a respectful way. But I'll be like, yeah, like, you know, like Capricorn. I know that's right. Because it's just way more, like light hearted in that situation. And I feel like I know there's 100% gonna be resolved after it because we're in the club. How can we?

[Keke Palmer]

We can't argue in the club. So, you know when I stop hating you, I never knew you did. You know what I mean?

[Renee]

Type.

[Keke Palmer]

That's too funny. So do you guys feel very British in that you like a little drink? Cause one thing I do love when I go to London is that they're not afraid to have a drink or drink.

[Stella]

Oh, we love a short, short, short.

[Keke Palmer]

I wish I had a drink for y' all right now.

[Renee]

Honestly, when I found out that it was a 1030, I was like, sad.

[Georgia]

Like, you can't really drink after.

[Keke Palmer]

We need to have a cocktail.

[Georgia]

If I'm wrong.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, I'm here for that.

[Stella]

Yes.

[Georgia]

And your girl likes to.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay, so what can we tell the fans to expect for this new era in this new album?

[Georgia]

Aflo? Hard work.

[Stella]

Hard work. We're taking things very seriously. Like, we really assessed the last album and what didn't work, what went well, even better if. Yes, we did some pee analysis. Like, right? Yes.

[Renee]

Point evidence explained.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, I love that. Did you have any moments where you went back to some of the team members that gave you push and were like, maybe y' all were right about some things or were they wrong about everything?

[Georgia]

There was a lot of different opinions even within our team. Everyone's so opinionated, which is really good because we like opinions. How we gonna make a decision? But it was hard because we were all so kind of divided at times in our thoughts. But like Stella said, point evidence explained. Like, a good pee will change everyone's mind. Yeah.

[Stella]

And there's proof in the pudding.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Stella]

Like, we really all can see now.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Stella]

Like, we wanted to do a lot of stuff after the album. Like, acoustic things. More videos, and it just didn't happen. But I think now, the last album.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay. Get you.

[Stella]

So now we know how to, like, plan ahead. Like, we really have the whole year planned.

[Georgia]

How to distribute, budget.

[Stella]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

And, like, even.

[Stella]

Yeah. Like, where are we putting money?

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Stella]

Like, what? We need to really get into the details so that everything's pulled off.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Stella]

So.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh. I love that, you guys, because that's really, like. And it's hard to be like, damn, you have to think about that. But we have to tell people, like, when somebody wants to be a pop star, when somebody wants to be an artist, like, you also have to be a business person. You must know what you're working with and how to actually properly distribute your money. And like you said, pee. No. What money actually is going to make money come back in. Because a lot of times you think it's like, we need more music videos. Like, actually, you need more shows. Or it's like, we need more X, Y and Z. Actually, you need more about. You know, so it's like, that's. I just love that because you save yourself so much time and so much people coming after you for the money. You didn't give them back.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Which is a mess.

[Georgia]

Not yet.

[Renee]

No. We're in a good place.

[Georgia]

Yeah. Well, you know, we're definitely, like, in the red. But, like, who isn't?

[Keke Palmer]

No, it is. You always are.

[Georgia]

Yeah. And we're definitely like. Like, we just need to keep going. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

A bit more money, please.

[Georgia]

You know what?

[Keke Palmer]

They honestly like to give you more money. Cause they're like, now they're with us forever. Exactly. They're like, how about 20 million?

[Renee]

We haven't even gotten that.

[Keke Palmer]

You'll be like 50. Like, we still working on flow album 55, right? Literally.

[Georgia]

Literally. But as long as we.

[Stella]

How many remix albums can we put.

[Georgia]

As long as, like, we are happy, then I'll be honest. We don't really, like, it's nothing.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. You know, it's a business.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

You know what I mean? Good days, bad days, whatever. It's continuity, sustainability. As long as we able to keep on going, we're done. We're good. Okay, let's talk about leak it because, you know, you guys are R and B group, but this leaned a little bit more pop and it gave a little like, you know, and it grabbed a different kind of attention, you know. So did it make you guys be like, but let's lean more into that pop bag, or were you kind of like, no, no, no, we did that once. We want to rein it in and make sure we stay true to our core.

[Renee]

Well, I think we'll be true to our core with any type of genre song that we do because it's all about how we sing it and the harmonies and the group element. But this leak, it reflected like a time of pop that we loved, when people were making pop music and singing down. And there's not too much of that nowadays. So we were just kind of like, why can't we just like James disdain.

[Georgia]

There's not too much of that nowadays,

[Renee]

but like, we absolutely can, so why not?

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Georgia]

We also, like.

[Renee]

I think.

[Georgia]

I mean, me personally, I don't really look at us and think we're an R and B group. If I'm completely honest. I think the songs of ours that perform the best are all pop cardboard boxes. Walk like this. I mean, low key fly girl in my bag. Like, I think it's very. To say that we're just an R B girl group is why.

[Stella]

Why are you guys saying that?

[Georgia]

I think.

[Stella]

I think we all know because of

[Georgia]

the shade of our skin and. Yeah, I just think that we. We want to take up the.

[Renee]

The whole. Yeah. The whole thing.

[Georgia]

In the whole space.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Hit music group.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

Thank you. Yeah. That's what we're striving to be.

[Renee]

I think, like, at the beginning of our journey, we wanted to be like, known as an RB group. We didn't want people to think that we just make. I don't know, we wanted people to know we make R and B music

[Georgia]

because, I mean, it's like a feeling.

[Keke Palmer]

It's like how I think about Janet Jackson. Like, Janet Jackson is a pop artist, you know what I mean? But she's black and we live for her sister down and she give us R and B arrangements when we need them. But it's at the end of the day, like, she's a pop star and I really live for when I get to see. See us in those spaces. Like, I love the pop star vibe. Like, there's nothing I love more. It's giving Britney Houston. So it's like period that vibe. And so I love. I totally agree with you guys and I know it's not any shade to any genre, but it's this idea that, like, we're taking up all space by being a great group and bringing you great music. So, you know, but maybe if you. If you actually gave us 10 hut, then there would be no problem.

[Georgia]

There'll be archives.

[Stella]

You know what's so funny though, is that conversation comes up all the time.

[Renee]

We tried. We really tried with that song.

[Georgia]

Honestly.

[Keke Palmer]

Gotcha, gotcha. Just a little razzle dazzle. Guys sweating on.

[Stella]

Where did you hear that song?

[Keke Palmer]

Honestly, don't worry about it. Hello, Olanike. I have spies. And I said the girls are coming to the show. What should I ask the. Oh, wow. And I'm actually really sad because we're running out of time. No, this is really, really sad.

[Renee]

We need to extend a bit.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm gonna ask you guys one more question and then we're do a game. Okay. And then we're probably gonna go get drinks. No. Okay. So you know what? To the fans that are watching, it could be guys, girls, thems, theys, anybody that, you know, looks up to you guys or just loves you as a group. What would you say to them? Like, if there's like a mission statement for Flo, like, as your girls, what would you say or what do you wanna say to them?

[Georgia]

Hang in there.

[Stella]

Yeah. Thank you for hanging in there with us.

[Renee]

Thank you first and foremost, thank you for believing in us. We really needed your support and to spread the rain on the music. Oh, thanks for rain. Disagree.

[Keke Palmer]

What's happening? Sorry, go ahead.

[Stella]

No, yeah.

[Renee]

Maybe you were hummington up. You know, we couldn't have done it without you. Like, a big part of Flo is our fan base. So we are in this position because of you guys. Continue to spread the word and spread the mission. Guys. We need to become the biggest girl group of our generation. We need to go.

[Keke Palmer]

We thank you for already letting us become.

[Georgia]

Yes. That's nice.

[Renee]

Thank you.

[Stella]

Thank you for giving us the space to do that. Yes. Thank you for supporting. Even. Even if sometimes you don't love something, like you still love us through it.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

We appreciate that they letting y' all be you.

[Renee]

Yes.

[Georgia]

Thank you. That's letting us explore, experiment, like it's such a journey. And I feel like there's never. We've got very forgiving, just a forgiving community.

[Renee]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

You know, they're giving you space because

[Georgia]

we be forgiving some of y', all.

[Renee]

Lest we forget.

[Keke Palmer]

Come on, Capricorn. Okay, so I love to play a game with all my guests. I'm gonna take you guys down memory lane of some R and B girl groups that have, you know, possibly inspired you. And I know y' all be doing your homework, but I'm gonna read a lyric from a classic 90s or 2000s girl group and you're gonna. You know what? I'm gonna let me know what group Is. But honestly, I feel like you guys are gonna get this so easy. And it's. I tried to make it hard, but it was really hard to make it hard. So here we go.

[Stella]

Let me say that. Cause if we do badly, it's embarrassing.

[Georgia]

It's embarrassing.

[Keke Palmer]

Hanging out the passenger side of his best friend's ride?

[Georgia]

Trying to holler at me. Tlc.

[Keke Palmer]

She was like, you know that you say the wrong.

[Stella]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

But you know what it is? I saw you. I felt you. She knew. She knew that she did.

[Stella]

Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

Cause my heart starts beating triple time? With thoughts of loving you on my own, on my mind?

[Renee]

And I can't figure out Just what to do? When the causing cure is you? I get so weak in the knees, I get hurt.

[Keke Palmer]

You got me. I'm obsessed. Cause why they gave me the most life. Girl, please. Oh, my gosh.

[Georgia]

Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

Never gonna get it, Never gonna get it?

[Renee]

Never gonna get it, Never gonna get it?

[Keke Palmer]

I'm a bum, bum, Yes. Y' all not gonna say their name?

[Georgia]

I don't know their name. If I'm completely honest.

[Keke Palmer]

Anybody? No, I was gonna give you his name.

[Stella]

It's like throwback. Throwback, Voguing.

[Keke Palmer]

That was good. See, I had y'.

[Stella]

All.

[Georgia]

That was good.

[Keke Palmer]

But they are one of those groups sometimes when we know their song, but then you can be like, yeah, okay. All right, here we go. Kick off your shoes and relax your feet.

[Georgia]

Kick off your shoes and relax your feet.

[Stella]

It's not kick off your shoes, relax your feet. Okay. It's a you. No, but you sound so right.

[Keke Palmer]

The way this is, y' all in the studio. Cause the way that you found a hook for that. Kick up your shoes, relax your feet. I'm actually with that. Like, that was. You need to keep that in your back pocket. It's kick off your shoes and relax your feet. Come on and party to the escape. Feet. Just kicking, just kicking. Y' all don't know them, so that's Candy. Y' all know Candy from Halloween.

[Georgia]

Escape.

[Keke Palmer]

Escape.

[Renee]

You could have picked a different escape.

[Keke Palmer]

I know. I was trying to make. I told y'.

[Stella]

All.

[Georgia]

I was trying to make it a little hard.

[Keke Palmer]

Okay, last one. We moonwalk the foxtrot, then polka the salsa. And I wasn't familiar with this with them, so maybe I should try to give you another one. Because when I read it, I said, oh, wait a minute. Okay, let me give you another one. But it's gonna be that same group. Hold on. Cause everything is such a hit with them.

[Georgia]

You can go from, like, a second

[Keke Palmer]

bus so here's a story from A to Z?

[Renee]

So here's a story from A to Z?

[Keke Palmer]

You wanna get with me? She's a real light day?

[Georgia]

You say?

[Keke Palmer]

Slummy body down?

[Renee]

And wine is all around?

[Keke Palmer]

Slummy body down? The wine is all around.

[Stella]

Oh, I love that.

[Renee]

What does that song even mean?

[Keke Palmer]

You know how you?

[Renee]

If you want to be my lover?

[Georgia]

You got to, got to give?

[Renee]

Taking it too easy? But that's the way it is.

[Keke Palmer]

Think about that.

[Renee]

How you know how I feel?

[Georgia]

What?

[Keke Palmer]

You guys, that was a huge.

[Georgia]

Such a good song.

[Keke Palmer]

And thanks to you guys, we get more British girl groups.

[Georgia]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

I really have enjoyed spending time with you ladies. You absolutely bring the flow. Okay, Stop the punk. You're actually killing me.

[Renee]

Thank you.

[Georgia]

Okay, hug.

[Keke Palmer]

This conversation right here is why I do the podcast. Real women, real friendship and a direction. Okay? It is easy to look at a group like. Like Flo and only see the success. What I've heard today is something much deeper. Okay? They are focused. I heard three young women who have figured out how to hold onto each other and what they did this for. Because the truth is, talent might get people's attention, but trust, purpose, and sisterhood is what can keep a group together. Flo is not just making music, okay? They are creating a blueprint. A blueprint that says we don't have to compete to be successful and that friendship and vulnerability aren't weaknesses. That's a message any of us could take right now. I'll see you next time on baby, this is Kiki Palmer.

[Georgia]

Baby, this is.

[Keke Palmer]

This is Kiki. Baby, this is Kiki Palma. Yeah.