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Keke Palmer
Hey, listeners, I hope y'all are feeling fantastic. It's your girl, Keke Palmer. And you probably already know what's happening today. We're about to get deep and cosmic with it. Today's episode is all about astrology and how the stars can guide us through life's twists and turns. And who better to help us navigate all that than one of my favorite astrologers, Chani Nicholas. She's here to share her unique insight into how we can find radical self acceptance through astrology and how astrology can help guide us through things like our careers, love, and motherhood. So let's get into it, because, baby, this is Kiki Palmer. No matter what we doing in the car, just chilling pop on Amazon music, sit back and listen. Life, love, sex, science, hovering it all, especially the bad. Cause money always evolves no matter what it is. We gonna make it make sense. Nothing else will do but kick it with the homies and kids. So grab you a drink and a snack, you enjoy? And get into the vibe that only you know it's your girl. This is Kiki. Baby, this is Kiki Palma. Yeah, I am absolutely over the moon, the sun, and the stars. For today's guest, you might follow her on TikTok or Instagram, or you might have seen her on the Netflix show Explained. Or maybe you've read her work as the resident astrologer for Oprah magazine. Mm. Mm. She also has a beautiful book out called you'd Were Born for this. Astrology for Radical Self Acceptance. Chani Nicholas, welcome to the show.
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Chani Nicholas
Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's so good to be here.
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Keke Palmer
It's so good to be here talking to you, because we've spoken before about some astrology stuff on some other thing we did. And then I saw you at the LGBTQ center for the gala that they had, but I never had you on. Baby, this is Keke Palmer. I'm so happy to have you and to really get into the nitty gritty, because anybody who knows me knows I love astrology.
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Chani Nicholas
We love that.
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Keke Palmer
So have you been?
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Chani Nicholas
I've been good busy. You?
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Keke Palmer
I've been busy, too, working. There's a lot that's been going on this year. You know, for me. This is my first year of almost completion into my 30s, and this new decade, an era for myself, and I feel so many exciting changes that I'm excited to hear if they have anything to do with my astrological stuff at the moment. But first, I kind of want to talk to you about what astrology means. To you, kind of what. What has driven you to have this be kind of your thing or your skill? Right. Because I think I've talking a lot about how we all show up in different ways. Like, for me, it's entertainment, but ultimately, I just want to connect to people. I want to share in the emotions that we all have that we sometimes can't get to. And I think storytelling is a way that I choose to do that. And I think we all do that with our purpose. There's like, something that we all are connecting to, and we showcase it in different ways. So for you with astrology, what was the connection? What drew you to it?
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Chani Nicholas
I love that you say that because it's so your chart. If you want to get into that later, we can. But, you know, for me, it was more that astrology chose me. I think I really tried to not do it for a long time. I didn't want to do it. It felt like too niche. It felt like too on the margins. It was like, that's not a real career. What is this? And it was just like my constant friend. And as soon as I really fully turned to it, or every time I even sort of turned to it, things would start to come alive in my life and things would start to work out. So. So it just became this path that kept opening up for me and to me and helped me to open up, I think, more to life and all of the opportunities. So I finally stopped being so resistant to it and just, like, gave into it.
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Keke Palmer
Well, that speaks to the title of your book. You were born for this astrology, for radical self acceptance. And in the book you write, the first time I encountered astrology was the first time I remember feeling self. What was that experience? What happened that finally resonated with you?
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Chani Nicholas
You know, I grew up with a lot of adults that were very consumed in their own drama and their own stuff, like a lot of us do. And I grew up with a lot of addiction, and I grew up around a lot of people that were just, like, busy partying and having a good time. And so the first time I went to an astrologer was the first time I felt like someone actually was witnessing me and could actually see me. And it was such a riveting experience that I was like, what is this thing that this person is doing? And they also read everybody else in my family. Like, we all went for a big family reading, and they were able to articulate the differences between each of us. And it was really specific stuff, and it explained me to myself and Explained my stepsister to me and my dad and my stepmom, and it helped me to parse it all out. So it just gave me, like, a framework for seeing. Seeing myself and other people and my relationship to them and our relationships together in a whole different way.
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Keke Palmer
So what do you say to somebody that's listening to this and like, oh, it's all generalizations. And also even people with faithful backgrounds where there's this idea of. And not even this idea, but really truly this belief that, well, how can this say, this is my destiny and this is what's designed for me? How do you kind of. I don't even say combat that, but balance that with what astrology means and the way that it kind of tells you who you are or who you're going to be.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah, I think, you know, if we think, like, religiously or spiritually, if some great creative force, some might call that God or the universe or what have you, brings everything into being, then everything in the natural world is actually connected to us. And astrology is a way of looking in a mirror. You don't have to use it if you don't like it. You should move on and find something that works for you. Not everyone should believe in it. It's not something that is for everybody. I don't think anything should be. It would be weird if we all believed in the same thing. I don't want to live in that world. So I like people that don't like astrology. I think it's great, but it's just like, there's some things in life that if you pay attention to them, you start to see something that appears as if it is intelligent all on its own. And I think if you study nature, even if you just go into the pure, if you want to call it that, science of it, there's an intelligence that is manifest in every speck, every piece of DNA, every molecule of everything. And we know through, you know, whatever view you want to take scientifically, that the world is speaking to itself, that there is a orchestration of shapes and colors and everything is purposeful.
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Keke Palmer
And to me, it all ties in. Like, I don't think that there's one over there. I feel this way about physics, science, astrology, spirituality. As somebody growing up in the church, I feel that everything is, like, speaking the same thing, but just with different languages. And you're right, it don't have to be for you. That's why we have all these different things. But the cool part about it, for me that I found, which maybe is what you're speaking to with that subtitle of astrology for the radical self acceptance. Because sometimes when you're reading all the stuff, it almost enhances your choice and your sense of. Of options. Because you say, well, if naturally I might be a little bit this or a little bit that, that makes me more self aware. So when I find myself in certain situations, I can kind of remember that and say, well, maybe I should make a different choice. That's how I often think of it. I don't think that astrology takes your choices away. Personally, I feel like it actually makes you a little bit more objective if you look at it that way.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah, I think it should deepen your relationship to yourself and your life and what you need to do and how to be of service. And if it's not doing that, I think maybe it's being misinterpreted. If you feel like it's making you less aware or more afraid, then perhaps it's not the astrology that's for you. Perhaps it's not such a good fit or the people you're getting it from are doing it a disservice.
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Keke Palmer
Yes. Now, before we get into my, you know, to. I want to hear what you've seen or you've found out about me these days, the last question I'll ask before we get into that is kind of how you would break down the sun, the moon and the rising, the kind of the big three or the, the usage of the totality of the chart. Because as we all know now, I think it's become more conversational that your sun sign isn't the only sign that represents the many different facets of you. So for the people that are listening that maybe don't, you know, know all that stuff and they're interested or just want to hear us talk about it, how would you describe that big three and its importance?
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah, so the rising sign is the most personal part of your chart because it's literally what part of the sky was rising up over the eastern horizon the moment you were pronounced born in the exact location that you were in. So it's so specific to you because it changes every couple of hours. So the rising sign is always moving, but the sun doesn't change sign more than once every 30 days and the moon changes sign once every two and a half days. So your rising sign is the sign that tells us what you're motivated to do in this life. The sun tells us the style within which you shine and the moon tells us the ways in which you go about making your life purpose real and manifest on this earth. So can we take you as an example?
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Keke Palmer
Yes, yes, yes. I'm excited.
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Chani Nicholas
Okay.
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Keke Palmer
My favorite thing, talking about me.
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Chani Nicholas
So you're born with a cancer rising.
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Keke Palmer
Yes.
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Chani Nicholas
So your motivation is to get people to feel your motivation, which I think is something that you just said at the opening of the show. Your motivation is to initiate us into feeling something. It's not neutral. It's like, hey, I'm going to hit you right here, right in the gut. That's where I'm going. And it's not vindictive. It's very much like, I want you to feel this thing. And not only that, but you had Venus, the planet of love relationship, but art and artistry and creating art and being creative. She's like the great lover goddess. She's right on your ascendant. If we looked over to the eastern horizon, that's the planet that would be rising up. And she would have been such a bright, gorgeous, spectacular, like diamond in the sky. So you have this mark of being super blessed by the goddess, by the planet, however you want to see it, by the planet of art and love and beauty. And so your thing is to come in and make connections by getting people to feel. And mostly using art as your vehicle or using the creation of beautiful things as your vehicle. And that is your motivation. Motivation for a living. That is why you came here. That's what your chart says. Just off the top it's like, hey, that's insane. This is how you. So if you were born into a family that was like only math, only science. Not that you're not good at math and science, because all that. Virgo is like. You are very good at being precise about a lot of things. You're great at being an orator, like, that's for sure. But your need to self express and to create beauty and to be in the process of making art is like. It is so pronounced. It was so pronounced in the sky. Like the ancient astrologers would have walked outside after you were born and been like, oh, Venus is rising. So this little one is gonna bring something beautiful and want to connect with a lot of people. It's like a deep desire to connect with the world and then it gives us the planet that steers the direction of your life, which is your moon. So you have this like, you know, cancer rising can be almost kind of shy or like. It's very sensitive.
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Keke Palmer
Yeah, it is.
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Chani Nicholas
This is a very deeply feeling human being who's motivated to feel really deeply. But the way you express that is through a optimistic, loud, gregarious, boisterous moon in Sagittarius that will not quit. And your moon is in the sixth house. So the ways in which you express all that beauty and art and wanting to connect to people is through hard fucking work. Because your moon is in the sixth house of work. And you were like, look, I have endless enthusiasm and endless energy to get this done.
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Keke Palmer
Yes, because it must be done, Jenny. It must be done.
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Chani Nicholas
But it's with so much enthusiasm. So it's very different than your cancer rising. Right? Like your cancer rising feels everything. You're very values driven. Because that Venus on the Ascendant is like, this is what I value and this is how I'm going to connect to people. And then your moon in Sagittarius is like, okay, let's do it. Through all of these different work projects, I will have 754. Because your moon is in what we call a mutable sign, which likes to do at least two things at once, if not 74.
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Keke Palmer
That's crazy.
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Chani Nicholas
And then your sun is in Virgo and your Mercury is also in Virgo. So you're very analytical. You're very like, let me come correct. Let me get the data. Let me get the details. But it's in the data. It's in the third house of kikiing. It's in the third house of communications.
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Keke Palmer
Oh, my gosh.
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Chani Nicholas
It's in the third house of podcasts. It's in the third house of. I got something to tell you, and I'm going to tell it to you, and you're going to be like, wow, I didn't know that. And you're going to be like, I know. I know a lot of things because I'm really intelligent and very hardworking. And the thing I love about this setup for you. Cause I was reading one of the first breakthrough movies that you had was Akeelah and the Bee, Correct?
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Keke Palmer
That's right.
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Chani Nicholas
Okay, so is Virgo a sign that. Especially in the third house of communication and possibly spelling things, communicating things, a sign that would want to get things right?
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Keke Palmer
That's right.
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Chani Nicholas
Okay. The B is actually associated with Venus because Venus is the planet associated with honey and flowers and roses and bees, because that's part of the goddess's thing. So you literally have like the planet. So Beyonce has Venus in Libra in her first house, and she's the queen bee. And so you have that planet that its signature is honey and bees and flowers. It's on your Ascendant. So it's like the mark of your life. So I just love that that first kind of like breakthrough role was literally you could kind of spell it out with your astrology.
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Keke Palmer
That is so insane. And I don't believe things like that are coincidental. Like, I do feel like sometimes like the universe, God is being like, wink, wink, or a little gag here and there.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah, right. She's. That's how I got to think of her. Yeah. Yes, exactly.
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Keke Palmer
Baby. This is Iki Palma. Yeah. So obviously with astrology there is a time in place for everything. Like it continues to move. Like different periods of your life are affected in different ways. So I'm curious of what it's saying now.
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Chani Nicholas
Okay. So there are some big things that just kind of ended. Like you've finished up your Saturn return in March of 2020. Yeah. So that was like a year and a bit ago. What is just leaving? Just, just, just. Is Pluto opposing your Venus? So Pluto's. This will only happen once in a lifetime. It won't happen for everybody because Pluto's such a slow moving planet. It's a planet of transformation and letting things go and going through a whole kind of process. And Venus is a planet of relationships and again of art. And so this would have been a time over the past, you know, like two years again. It's finishing for good. It's finishing for good on November 19th. It's done, done, done, gone, gone, gone. But these past couple of years would have been like a kind of reckoning and a unveiling of the deeper lessons that you were learning in terms of all kinds of partnerships. Not just romantic. We're talking about artistic partnerships, platonic partnerships, business partnerships.
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Keke Palmer
Like, who am I the way I was seeing things.
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Chani Nicholas
Because you have such a prolific and easy time connecting to people, it is your mark, it is the way you're motivated. And so I would think that over the past couple of years it's like, oh, I better not take this for granted, is a gift that was bestowed upon me. If I take it for granted, the wrong people will get to it. Like, I need to not be like precious about this, but know how sacred this is. And not everyone's allowed in. And so it's like that process of elimination, we might say. Yes.
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Keke Palmer
Boundaries. Elimination. Yeah. Understanding how to. You know, I've talked about that a lot with my book in terms of reaching this point in my life where I have so much more clarity and intention about how I want to move forward and how that, how I show up for myself in Order to be able to do that. And that does mean having clear boundaries. That does mean saying no to more things that don't really matter, don't make sense or don't align with what I know I want to be. Because there was a time period in my life where I was. I don't want to say I was scared, but I was kind of like. I almost felt weighed down by this deep desire to connect. Because sometimes it was hard to feel the rejection of other people not wanting to connect, you know, and that was kind of like how I became an entertainer and why I. Again, if we're talking about astrology, why my moon is so important for me in this regard. Because humor, comedy, that was how in my household, growing up with my parents, having the stress of just living the lives you have to live in America, trying to make it. My dad had a factory job. My mom was from job to job. And I could feel their stress so often. I could feel that energy. And I just started being like, funny and silly and creating opportunity for them to reengage, for them to be present again. And I feel like that's like, literally how I've always felt and how I've continued to understand and have the language to say, this is what I want to do. This is who I am. It's not so much that I want to be an entertainer. No, I. I cared about people. I wanted to connect to people. I wanted to be a social scientist. I wanted to experience and say, hey, it's okay, guys, if you want to experience, you, you know, that's what this is about. It might hurt, it might be fun, it might be confusing, but we have to engage with this. Otherwise, what are we here for, you know?
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah. And so when we don't know that that's what we're doing, we can then fall into people pleasing, which is a mark of Venus. Right. Like when we have Venus in a really powerful position like you do, one of the red flags is like, okay, because you're so good at facilitating connection and people are so lonely and disconnected. How does this get used? Or does it get used? Are you again, valuing and honoring the medicine of it? And when we're young, we can't. It's just a thing we do unconsciously. And people will always have been magnetized to. You just have like this natural power, this magnetism. It's just a thing. You just have it. And so as you get older and especially around 30, after you go through your first Saturn return, it's like, hold on. Yeah, I'M not going to live forever. This thing, you know, this is like TikTok. I need to make the most out of these segments of time. So what is it that I want instead of what is it that everybody else wants from me? Because I make them feel better, girl, 100%.
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Keke Palmer
That has what I experience and also how I experience the reality of knowing I'm actually not. Like, when I realized that not putting boundaries and not being clear with people was actually doing the opposite of what I wanted to do, which was help them, that made me get my stuff together faster. Because I said, well, I actually want to help this person. So if babying them and not being real with the issues is actually hurting them more and creating more of an opportunity for them to not grow, I've got to pull up my bootstraps and get it together and keep it real with people and stop lying to them, thinking that this is gonna make them feel better only for the moment when really it's not even gonna support the direction they need to go in. It was really hard to do that.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah. But your Virgo can always be relied on for doing the best thing, the right thing, and the most logical thing.
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Keke Palmer
Mm. Mm.
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Chani Nicholas
Because your Virgo is so high functioning, because you have also Mercury in Virgo, which rules it. And so we can always get to you through being like, look, this is the system. This is how things work. This is what messes up the system. This is what gets it not to work. So what's your choice? Because you've got a choice in this. And Virgo will always be like, well, we need functionality above all else. That's right.
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Keke Palmer
Because we can't have this shit fall apart. That don't make no sense.
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Chani Nicholas
No, not on my watch.
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Keke Palmer
What did Ayan Van Zan say? Not on my watch. Literally, girl. Literally. That is so I will not be.
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Chani Nicholas
Seen as lazy or messing this up. Thank you.
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Keke Palmer
No, no, seriously. And that's very much so how I feel. That's literally what gets me moving the fastest.
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Chani Nicholas
Mm.
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Keke Palmer
This is very interesting that I want to just quickly step away to ask, have you actually ever known someone and then found out their sign and been confused with how they're showing up?
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Chani Nicholas
It's less about. I mean, if someone tells me their sign and it really doesn't match, then I just know that they've got a lot of planets and points in something very different and that there's a struggle for them or there's something that's conflicting. And listen, when we're conflicting, we're really interesting Like, a friend of mine is an Aries sun. She's got, like, this amazing Aries signature, but it's hiding out. It's in a part of the chart that hides out. And so she hides her desire to win and competitiveness, but it's there. You just have to know it. It's, like, underneath the surface. But there's a lot in her chart that will tell you things are, like, underneath the surface. And then there's also these parts of her chart where she's just so giving and so sweet, and that's what people focus on, and so that's something that gets cultivated. So it's all, like how these little pieces work together. Because if we just thought of you as a Virgo, we would miss this great desire to connect to people, to heal them through art and beauty, to let them know that they're not alone. We would miss out on this, like, really deep, nurturing part of yourself. Right. So we can't ever just silo ourselves in just our sun signs. It's so important to know how the whole chart, the whole sky, was interacting when you were born.
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Keke Palmer
And then, like you say, even in just the poetic sense of what you just explained with your friend, even if we break that down without astrology, it's really just the digging into knowing oneself deeper, because there are so many deep parts of us that you won't see if you just look on the surface. So whether you're looking into your chart and digging back there or you're spending time alone and having deep conversations with yourself, you're gonna find that maybe this is really what's motivating me, or maybe this is what I really want. You know what I mean? Because it's truly just about figuring out you more, which I think sometimes is difficult to do. You know, people don't always know. What are the first steps for me to be able to dig into myself a little deeper and have more conversations about me and not feel strange about it.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah. And I think for that, if someone's just starting out, I mean, you can always download our app and read about your sun sign.
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Keke Palmer
I love your app. I had your app before I met you.
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Chani Nicholas
Oh, my gosh. But I also think you should just go where the energy is, you know? Like, you should go where you feel comfortable and where you feel like you can kind of relax into something. So whether that's your church or whether that's a therapist or whether that's a yoga class or whether that's an astrology app, it's like, go where you feel received and where you feel witnessed to some degree. And that'll at least be the beginning of a bigger journey.
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Keke Palmer
I love that. Following the feeling. I always say that. Following what comfort. What comfort is following what makes you feel accepted, excited. Even if you don't know exactly where you're going, it'll lead you to the place that's right for you.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
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Keke Palmer
So going back to what's going on in the planets right now, is there any astrological forces or planetary movements that are impacting me or you or everyone collectively?
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Chani Nicholas
I.
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Keke Palmer
There must be, because this is getting kind of crazy out here in these streets, Jenny. There must be something going on in the movies.
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Chani Nicholas
You know, we just came through eclipse season, so eclipse season is always a big moment of change and kind of everything speeding up. I will say that we're ending the year on a note of slowing down. We're ending the year with a Mars retrograde and a Mercury retrograde. So this is what I want everyone. Yeah, I want everyone to remember that we really want to save some time at the end of the year. I don't want you all to, like, I'll get it done in December. You're not going to just plan ahead. We're slowing down at the end of the year, and we're actually starting 2025 on a kind of slower note as well. So we just want to be a.
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Keke Palmer
Little bit more slower. What does that mean?
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Chani Nicholas
Well, it means that things like trying to get things done and move things forward really quickly will be a little bit more challenged. Because Mercury will be retrograde at the end of the year, and because Mars will also be retrograde, it just signals a time where we're going to be going back and forth over something probably multiple times. So.
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Keke Palmer
Interesting.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah, we might be slow to get results at the end of the year, and you can take that, however.
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Keke Palmer
Yeah, I'm like, slow with results. There's a couple of things I'm thinking about that we need results in.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah, yeah.
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Keke Palmer
Chile. Okay. Okay. Question about how people view astrology, because I think that's also the thing, too. Again, I'm really so big on language and interpretation and how that can confuse us when we're all saying the same thing. And obviously with astrology, there's so many different ways you can look at it. There's eastern, there's western. Which one do you study? And how do you kind of, you know, look at that in terms of, like, again, delineating factors of which one you should believe or how you should interpret it?
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah, So I do what we call traditional Western astrology, which is to say it's an amalgamation of a lot of teachings over a couple of thousand years in parts of the world that are now called Iraq, Iran, Northern Africa, like Egypt, and all over Southern Europe. And so it's a confluence of a lot of different teachers over again, a vast period of time. It's similar in some ways to what we would call Indian or Vedic astrology in its origin, origins, and in its outlook and in parts of its philosophical understandings. I think what's really important is to understand what philosophical branch of astrology you're looking at or reading about, or where the astrologer is coming from, if you're interested in that. Because all the astrology is really, if they're good, if they're really doing their due diligence, we should all come to the same conclusion, just from different angles. And they all should have a similar philosophical structure at the base of it, which is about how the planets appear in the sky, how fast they're going, how slow they're going, what they're doing with each other, what signs they're in, what the condition of them is, because that will signal the condition of somebody's life. Like I said for you, any astrologer in any tradition would have seen Venus rising up over the horizon and been like, oh, this little one has got some blessings. And their blessing is going to be about how they can connect and how they can create beauty and art. It would be true in any astrology. And there's many.
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Keke Palmer
And so what does it say about love for me?
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Chani Nicholas
Well, it says you're a lover.
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Keke Palmer
All I heard when you said that was you'll be single for a lifetime.
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Chani Nicholas
Not true. Oh my gosh, that is so funny. I mean, we can look at like committed partnerships, we can look at like, you know, romantic partnerships. We can look at it in a lot of different ways. But in your seventh house of committed partnerships, there's two planets there, Uranus and Neptune. And what that says to me is you need a very unique type of relationship, or the relationship that you're going for will be a little less traditional than the ones that you come from. Right? So I want you to be able to think expansively and broadly and creatively about what type of, of long term committed partnership you actually want to be in, because it shouldn't be from the template of society around you or what you've been handed. You are really in need of like 2.0 ing it. Right?
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Keke Palmer
Like, damn, that sounds unique.
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Chani Nicholas
It's about your independence. It's about their independence, but also this deep connection. Right. So like, how do we do commitment and freedom?
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Keke Palmer
I mean, I'm here for that without.
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Chani Nicholas
Losing one or the other.
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Keke Palmer
Yeah, I'm very, very here for that. And so when it comes to obviously work in love, and I'll say specifically for love, because obviously that's such a delicate subject, is the perception. It's never going to tell you exactly what it is, what you're going to find and you know how to get it. But the perceptions, how do you kind of dig that up? How to perceive when they speak about your love life? When you're reading something or hearing something about astrolog, astrology.
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Chani Nicholas
Well, you can read about the planets that are in your seventh house, what we call the seventh house. So like, if you look on the Chani app and you scroll down, you'll see where each of your planets are. And if you see any in the seventh house, they'll tell you something about what kind of relationship you want to be in. And then you also look at your Venus. So you would read the description of your Venus, the sign that it's in, the house that it's in, where it is and what it's doing, and that'll tell you a lot about your need. You can also look at your moon sign and see how you like, create safety with another person. The kind of home you would want to create. The kind of like day to day connections and nurturing and nourishment that you need.
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Keke Palmer
So some of the attachment as a guide, it's not going to say it's Jon Jones who lives in 45. 55. Yeah. It's going to be like, this is the vibe.
- [30:26]
Chani Nicholas
Yes.
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Keke Palmer
Yeah, baby. This is Icky Palma. Yeah. So, Chani, I'm very excited to have my mom here. My mom is a Virgo, but she and I, we relate on a lot of different things. We're different, but we're kind of the same. We work together, obviously with my job. She's the one who helped start my career, my brand, and she's like my best friend. We've gone through ups and downs, but like, she's really my girl. Girl, girl to the girl Max. And yeah. So I want to. I'm very curious to hear about why that is, how that is and how she was chosen for me.
- [31:02]
Chani Nicholas
Listen, welcome.
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Keke Palmer
Hi.
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Chani Nicholas
Okay. I'm so excited to talk about your chart and all of the ways in which the two of you are connected because it's kind of ridiculous.
- [31:13]
Sharon Palmer
Oh, my goodness.
- [31:15]
Chani Nicholas
I'm hard pressed to say that I've seen something so connected as this. So, okay, I'm not sure if you heard, but Kiki has this planet called Venus coming up over the horizon the moment that she was born. And it means that she's marked with a blessing. So there's two planets in the sky that are said to bestow their blessings. They're called benefics. One is Venus, which is the planet of art and beauty and relationships and connecting. And that's what Kiki has. She has this planet of needing to create beauty and connect to people and be like, hey, let's be friends and I'm going to make you feel a lot of things. And the other planet is Jupiter. And Jupiter is the planet of wisdom and abundance and also just like having a kind of optimistic point of view. It's also a planet of religion and spirituality. It's really the teacher planet. And that's the planet that you have coming up over the horizon. So the two of you, it's in very different signs. So yours is in Leo, Kiki's is in Cancer. Very different. But the two of you have within a couple of degrees. So just exactly. If we would have looked on the eastern horizon when you were born, we would have seen this beautiful Jupiter, which is. Both planets are really sparkly and really visually stunning, especially when they're in the position that they were in when you were born. And so you both have this mark of a blessing that comes with your birth. There's a mark of something special here. Now, again, yours is like the great benefic. So it's this sense of being big, it's this sense of being wise, it's this sense of bringing some kind of expansion to wherever it is you go. And that Leo Rising is really good at performing, it's really good at drama. It's really good.
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Keke Palmer
That's what I have. That's you.
- [33:10]
Sharon Palmer
I'm Leo Rising.
- [33:11]
Chani Nicholas
That's right. That's you.
- [33:12]
Sharon Palmer
And she's the Venus, the love and all that stuff.
- [33:15]
Keke Palmer
Well, that's like where the planets are. But my rising is a cancer.
- [33:18]
Chani Nicholas
Yes.
- [33:18]
Sharon Palmer
And what does that mean? What does that. Your rising.
- [33:21]
Chani Nicholas
She's sensitive.
- [33:22]
Sharon Palmer
Oh, yeah, definitely. Well, but you know what? I'm not surprised about the love because I remember out of all my kids, she's the one who was just so concerned emotionally about me. Like she would come up to me and go, mommy, you don't look good. You look sad today. Smile. And then I would do a fake smile and she goes, that's not Real.
- [33:46]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
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Sharon Palmer
And she seemed to be. And then when she was little, like, before she could even talk, she would just hug my neck so tight, like, super, super love. And I said to myself, I was like, this kid here really loves me. Yeah, she really, really loves my first daughter. You know, obviously, I felt she loved me, but with Keke, it was like she just hugged me so tight. You know what I mean? And then she tried to sleep with me until she was 4. I would put her in the bed and put her in the bed, and then I'd wake up, and she'd be laying on top of me, and my husband would say, make her get out of the bed. And I just couldn't do it because she just loved me. So it's like she just could not let me go.
- [34:32]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah, that's the signature. Her birth.
- [34:35]
Sharon Palmer
Yeah.
- [34:35]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
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Keke Palmer
Wow.
- [34:36]
Sharon Palmer
Yeah.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah. And yours is to teach. Yours is to, like, bring opportunity. Yours is to bring light. Yours is to bring some kind of, like, optimism and glow. There's something.
- [34:47]
Keke Palmer
And it's interesting. It's interesting that you had said that about the teacher, because my mom is someone that I also see as a mentor, and not only me, but I've seen her mentor everybody around me. Everybody. Like, I mean, there are people that I've worked with that were on my street team when I was doing music and stuff at, like, 12 and 13. And now we're in our 30s, and they're working with me still, and they've been, like, motivated by Sharon. So I'm very curious of, like, what that says about her. You know, she started out as a performer. She was a performer herself, but then obviously became this mentor and this teacher to me and to others. How does that play out with the moon sign for her?
- [35:21]
Chani Nicholas
Okay, well, it actually plays out with her sun sign, so it makes the sun the ruler of her ascendant. So then we're like, okay, well, what is her son up to? Because her son, wherever her son is, is in charge of where her life's direction needs to go. And you have the sun in Virgo, and it's in the second house of work and livelihood and money and accounting and making sure she always is doing the accounting. Listen, I want her doing the accounting. Listen to me. She is the one who should be tracking the numbers because there is no number that can get away from her.
- [35:58]
Sharon Palmer
But you know what? You know what, though? It's so funny that you say that is because every job that I have ever excelled in revolved around money.
- [36:08]
Chani Nicholas
Yes, it really did.
- [36:09]
Sharon Palmer
And it's so weird to me. And I'm able to see the numbers and all this type of stuff. And then when I have business meetings, I'm always like, what happened to this?
- [36:18]
Chani Nicholas
That's right.
- [36:19]
Sharon Palmer
What happened to this job?
- [36:21]
Chani Nicholas
Yes.
- [36:21]
Sharon Palmer
I was just on the accounting the other day and I was like, hey, we did another deal. Where might that money be?
- [36:29]
Chani Nicholas
Yes, exactly. That is what.
- [36:31]
Sharon Palmer
You don't know why I'm doing that?
- [36:33]
Chani Nicholas
Because I could tell you your Mercury, your sun and your Mercury. So you were born with this other really special thing, which is the sun and Mercury were at the exact same place in the sky, and they were in a sign that Mercury rules. So Mercury is literally the counter. If you think of like an abacus, that's Mercury. Mercury communicates, but it counts, it tallies, it makes sure that everything is there. And in Virgo, it is exceptionally good at accounting, counting, subtracting, adding all the things.
- [37:03]
Sharon Palmer
That makes sense. But the thing is, I'm very obsessed with no one taking advantage of Kiki.
- [37:11]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah, that's right.
- [37:12]
Sharon Palmer
But I'm not so much obsessed with the money. Like, once I get it and it all comes, I'm not overly excited or it's like the excitement comes from making sure I know it's going in the right place.
- [37:23]
Chani Nicholas
That's right. It has to be. Correct.
- [37:26]
Sharon Palmer
Yes.
- [37:26]
Chani Nicholas
Now you've got Jupiter on the ascendant, which means you come from a place of abundance. You come from a place of internal wealth. You come from a place of.
- [37:35]
Sharon Palmer
Come on now, eternity. Knowing. Yes.
- [37:39]
Chani Nicholas
Knowing that your cup is already full. Like, you come spiritually full, full. And so it's not about hoarding, but your Virgo is like, these are the numbers, and numbers don't lie. So here's the thing.
- [37:53]
Keke Palmer
Just bear you.
- [37:54]
Sharon Palmer
You are absolutely right.
- [37:56]
Chani Nicholas
And then the other thing is that the planet that rules, that is in charge of your children is in your first house, is Jupiter. So there's something that says, like, your children are part of how you come into your own purpose, and they're also part of how you generate more abundance. And they're something really linked to your own identity. So the blessing from the children is very much about you. And also your ability to be teacher and to be person who is creating opportunity and who is broadening the horizons is also related to your children's well being.
- [38:33]
Keke Palmer
No, because, Sharon, that is what you did, Sharon. No, that is what you did. I guess you're. You know, one time, my little brother, he's a Pisces. One day I'll get into his Trap.
- [38:44]
Chani Nicholas
Figure his stuff out with two Virgos there.
- [38:47]
Keke Palmer
No, seriously. But he said that about me and you. He said, you don't understand. He was like, wait, what you and mom have going on, y'all did something special. Something special happened, and y'all woke each other up. That's what he said. He said. Because what you guys did, he said pretty much like what she said, without the language, that there was something about your. Who you are and everything you are and what you put into us and how when having us ignited you, to really go expansive into it.
- [39:13]
Sharon Palmer
Yes, but what she's saying makes sense in terms of you and I kind of understanding each other. Kind of. Because, like, I work with your brothers and sisters. I work with them in entertainment. You know, I tried to teach them and do stuff. But with Keke, it was so different. It was like I would work with her. What were you gonna say?
- [39:34]
Chani Nicholas
Well, you have the same. The exact same. Mercury's exact. They're at the exact same place. So you. It's like you guys can read each other's minds. Like there's a communication that happens between you that is. It's, like, beyond time. You know, it looks like kind of like lapses, and it's.
- [39:54]
Sharon Palmer
You know, it's funny you saying that, because now this is true. I can always tell, and I never told anybody this, but I can always tell when something's wrong with her.
- [40:04]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [40:05]
Sharon Palmer
So I feel weird. Is something wrong? And I tell her, dad, I said, something's not right with Keke.
- [40:10]
Chani Nicholas
Yep.
- [40:11]
Sharon Palmer
And then she'll call and, like, see, she see. I knew it. You know? And then sometimes I feel really at peace, and I say, keke's good. She's good. And the older she gets, I feel, the more she's good.
- [40:25]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah. Yeah.
- [40:26]
Keke Palmer
Isn't that so? It's so strange that you said this thing about. This Mercury thing about a connection, because my mom and I have always had this type of thing where we just got each other to the max. Like, even when she's talking about me hugging her as a baby and stuff like that, like, there was something that I knew is something that I felt. And the performance, like, she has truly been like, a little master, you know what I mean, of me. You know what I mean? And helping me, it was like. It was as if she sat down and she looked at me like these words never were said. But this is how it feels to me on a spiritual level. If we want to do this and we're going to change everything, I need you to be serious. And then I said, yes, if you need me, I will. And it's like we just started becoming like the damn movie with the wax on, wax off.
- [41:23]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah, but your Virgos came together. Cause you both have Virgo sun, too. Yeah.
- [41:28]
Sharon Palmer
Wow. Well, what motive this is. What. So it's funny to hear her say that, but people ask me this all the time, you know, how do you guys do what you do? How do you still keep working with your daughter? Cause a lot of people can't even talk to their kids or whatever like that. But for me, it was her work ethic, it was her commitment to excellence that kind of made me get my shit together. Because it was like, okay, if this little girl can do all of this and memorize and be happy, like, she was happy. She would learn her little lines and she would be happy. And I said to myself, I've never seen this before. Because I had taught drama to high school students, and she was little, like 8, 9 years old. And I saw her at their level, and I said to myself, I said, I've never seen this before in a child so young. And I think the world should see this.
- [42:27]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [42:28]
Sharon Palmer
And that was my only motivation. It wasn't money. It wasn't. It was college. I was like, we could save money for her to go to college. But my bigger thing, and I don't know if this was ego or not, but it was kind of like, this is brilliant. I want everybody to see this.
- [42:45]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [42:46]
Sharon Palmer
Because I've never met a kid that was 8 years old that had the. Just. She was like, Maybe she was 18 or 19. Cause I had been working with, you know, seniors in high school, and at 8, she was at their level in acting, in comprehension, in memorization. Yeah. I had never seen it.
- [43:09]
Chani Nicholas
The two of you can go toe to toe for your analytic abilities, your academic abilities, your abilities to understand things, remember them, integrate them, make them your knowledge, and go with them. And you both have Virgo sun and Virgo Mercury, which just makes you exceptionally hardworking. But you have your sun in the second house of work, and then Kiki has her moon in the sixth house of another place of daily work and the daily grind. And so you both have a luminary in a place where you're like, okay, let's get this done. Let's do this. You're both in already. And then you both have fire sign moons, which the earthiness of your suns gives you that ability to anchor your talent in the real world through real actions. And then your moons are able to just go with the intuition. And I think, Sharon, you've got incredible intuition. I think your ability to pick up on what the next thing to do is like, bar none.
- [44:11]
Keke Palmer
It is. It really is.
- [44:12]
Sharon Palmer
She has great instincts as well.
- [44:14]
Keke Palmer
Yeah.
- [44:14]
Sharon Palmer
And then Keke has more patience than me, too. Like, a lot of times, you know, she sees bullshit, but she won't call it out. That's her feet. Yeah.
- [44:25]
Chani Nicholas
That's her Venus. She's in recovery for that.
- [44:29]
Sharon Palmer
Yeah, exactly.
- [44:29]
Keke Palmer
Yeah. I just love people too much.
- [44:31]
Chani Nicholas
Kiki, because you have Venus, and Sharon, because you have Jupiter on the ascendant in such a potent way. You both move into the world with something to give instead of asking for the world to give you something or to get something. Absolutely. One of the biggest blessings that both of you bring all of us is that kind of generosity. So Kiki does it through connection. Sharon, you do it through wisdom and mentoring and bringing a kind of spirituality and potency in that way. But at the end of the day, it's like you're both moving into the world with this mark of generosity and giving. And that's what.
- [45:11]
Sharon Palmer
She's good.
- [45:12]
Chani Nicholas
Makes sense.
- [45:12]
Keke Palmer
She is good. I have another question before I get to the game, which is, what does it say about. When I'm hearing her talk, it made me curious. What does it say about me as a mom? What does it say about motherhood in my chart or something like that.
- [45:23]
Chani Nicholas
Yes. Yeah. Well, the interesting thing is that both of you have this connection. Jupiter is around both situations when it comes to children, so there's this really deep spiritual connection to your children and an expansiveness. And, Kiki, you've got Pluto in the fifth house of children, so I just feel like your little one is very powerful.
- [45:47]
Sharon Palmer
Yes, yes, yes.
- [45:49]
Keke Palmer
What else does it say? Because there's something there for sure.
- [45:51]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah. It's a very potent, powerful energy. And he's probably, like, going to do a lot of transformation in the world, I think. And there's something tied to. Also to, like, justice and really wanting to fight for what is right. So, you know, it's.
- [46:09]
Keke Palmer
That's why I named him Lee Otis Angelton Jackson, because he sounds like he was marching.
- [46:14]
Sharon Palmer
He's a civil rights leader.
- [46:17]
Chani Nicholas
That's right.
- [46:18]
Keke Palmer
Okay, now let's get into the game. I love talking about astrology, and I love you. I think Sharon does, too. Now, yes, this has been a lot of fun, but with all my guests, before we end the show, we play a little game, and this one's called Here For It Or Not. I'll read you a Potential use for astrology. And you tell me whether or not you're here for it.
- [46:37]
Chani Nicholas
Okay.
- [46:37]
Keke Palmer
Love this. Okay.
- [46:38]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [46:39]
Keke Palmer
Checking someone's birth chart on the first date.
- [46:42]
Chani Nicholas
Not.
- [46:43]
Keke Palmer
Ooh. Why?
- [46:44]
Chani Nicholas
Because I want to get to know you without any bias. I just want to feel you. I want to see what you do, and I want to understand your actions just from person to person, human to human level.
- [46:56]
Keke Palmer
Okay. I think that. I mean, it makes sense. That's how I feel about not looking at their Instagram page.
- [47:00]
Chani Nicholas
You know what I mean?
- [47:03]
Keke Palmer
Trying to control what sign your kid will be by conceiving at a specific time of year.
- [47:11]
Chani Nicholas
I can't say that my wife isn't guilty of this, so I. You know, like, also, we're queer, so it's a little different. You know, we do have to, like, plan things. It's not the same, but. But, you know, to each their own. I think that if you don't like a sign and you're trying to avoid a sign, that. That's weird.
- [47:31]
Keke Palmer
Right?
- [47:32]
Chani Nicholas
And you'll probably.
- [47:32]
Keke Palmer
Maybe that sign is going to teach you something.
- [47:34]
Chani Nicholas
That's right.
- [47:35]
Keke Palmer
Okay. Deciding not to be friends with someone because of their sign. I know you're not here for this. This is crazy.
- [47:41]
Chani Nicholas
That's.
- [47:41]
Keke Palmer
Unless you.
- [47:42]
Chani Nicholas
That's not it.
- [47:42]
Keke Palmer
No, I'm kidding.
- [47:43]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [47:46]
Keke Palmer
Consciously making an effort to live life contrary to expectations of your sign, that's.
- [47:52]
Chani Nicholas
Also just a waste of time.
- [47:53]
Keke Palmer
Mm.
- [47:54]
Chani Nicholas
I think.
- [47:56]
Keke Palmer
Yeah. Just be yourself.
- [47:58]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [47:58]
Keke Palmer
Every sign has lots of flaws. Believe that.
- [48:01]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [48:01]
Keke Palmer
Okay. Cutting your hair according to moon phases.
- [48:06]
Chani Nicholas
Now, if you do want to grow your hair, then it's good to cut it just after the new moon. And if you don't want it to grow that fast, it's good to cut it, you know, like, after the full moon. I do believe in that.
- [48:18]
Keke Palmer
So when do you know? Like, when she. If you want it to grow, when should you cut it again?
- [48:22]
Chani Nicholas
Right after the new moon or on the new moon.
- [48:24]
Keke Palmer
When do we know when that's coming?
- [48:25]
Chani Nicholas
Well, you can. I. We. You know, we can look in the chani app, or we've got an astro.
- [48:30]
Keke Palmer
Planner, if you want, and it'll let me know after the new moon or on the new moon to get my hair cut.
- [48:35]
Chani Nicholas
Get your hair cut? Yeah.
- [48:36]
Keke Palmer
And the hair gonna grow?
- [48:37]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [48:38]
Keke Palmer
Really?
- [48:39]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [48:40]
Keke Palmer
Damn. I'm doing that. So. Okay. The idea of there being a 13th sign called Officious or Officious.
- [48:49]
Chani Nicholas
It's like astrologers have always known. It's like a little bit of the constellation comes into the zodiacal Wheel. But we've carved up the zodiacal wheel in a certain way on purpose. We've known about all of the different constellations. It's not a thing. It's just a clickbait piece that comes up every year or so.
- [49:06]
Keke Palmer
Okay, Come on. Clickbait.
- [49:07]
Chani Nicholas
We have an article about it on our site if you wanna read more.
- [49:10]
Keke Palmer
Okay, last question. People pronouncing their sun sign before you even know them with a T shirt or tattoo.
- [49:17]
Chani Nicholas
I mean, live your life. I don't know why you want to be prejudged like that, but go ahead.
- [49:23]
Keke Palmer
Okay, and then this is my last, last, last question. Because I think when people hear this, and then also with entertainers, you know, people will read their charts and they'll say all this stuff about, you know, you're born for this and you were shining, you were starring. And I think sometimes that also can make people feel weird about astrology.
- [49:38]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
- [49:38]
Keke Palmer
But the truth is, doesn't everybody have something so unique and special and amazing in their charts? Like, in terms of, like, you know, Because I think so much emphasis is put on what it means to be a star in this lifetime or what a star is and how you shine. But there's so many other ways to make a great impact that have nothing to do with being an entertainer in this way.
- [49:57]
Chani Nicholas
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Every single moment of time is unique because of everything is like slightly different all the time. And so unless you're born at the exact same time in the exact same place as another human being, which does happen, and you will have this exact same chart as some people, but it's rare. So every little moment is constellated in an exact kind of way. And there is a reflection there for you to gaze upon, if you want and to glean some meaning from. And again, hopefully, all of it encourages you to be a better person and to be of service in the world. And that's the be all, end all. I think of all of this, of any spiritual tradition or religious one.
- [50:45]
Keke Palmer
I love that you ate that. And I thank you so much for coming on the show. Can't wait to have you back again.
- [50:50]
Chani Nicholas
I can't wait to come back. It was so lovely to meet both of you. Thank you.
- [50:53]
Sharon Palmer
Thank you.
- [50:59]
Keke Palmer
Okay, so that was delightful.
- [51:02]
Sharon Palmer
Yes. She said all great things about Virgos, which we knew was, you know, it was just obvious, you know, but it was nice to hear from an expert that we're fabulous.
- [51:14]
Keke Palmer
Mom. That's hilarious. The part that I love so much because me and you talk about Virgo all the time. But she really got into all of the details. And I think I had told you that you were Leo Rising.
- [51:23]
Sharon Palmer
Yes.
- [51:24]
Keke Palmer
And I told you that you were Aries Moon. But I think it was cool that she really got into the stuff.
- [51:28]
Sharon Palmer
Yeah. Cause you didn't tell me about Jupiter. Yeah, that was really interesting about what she said. My planet or whatever was Jupiter. And that's where all my wisdom comes from and my mentoring and that your love and that I have to mentor over all this love.
- [51:44]
Keke Palmer
Oh, yeah, please, Shani. I'm about to call Chani back because you was just getting too into all this adoration that was going on. The coolest thing that I love about it, which is something that people always comment on about me and you. And sometimes I'm like, well, I think everybody can have this with their mom, and I'm sure everybody can have a very close relationship with their mom. But it's very cool to hear that there are some things specifically that we share, because it's like, it's one thing with family you have a connection to because they're your family. But then also when you think about the fact that we have shared interests or things that we love and the way that we communicate different styles that we just do. Similarly, it explains that different added layer that I've always felt that you and I have had, where we just get each other in a way that I can't really explain.
- [52:26]
Sharon Palmer
Right. Neither can I. But the whole love for movies and. And, you know, just the history of things and the way you're able to break things down, though we're similar in terms of us being able to see things. Simple. But you can break stuff down. The most complex things, you can break them down in layman's terms, way better than me. But I do feel I can do a lot of that. But what I honestly feel is that you're the best of me. That's what I honestly feel. I feel that there's things that I try to do, or I've always wanted to do, that you can do them better than me. So job well done. As a mother, I've passed things on to you, and you do them better than me.
- [53:13]
Keke Palmer
You said something earlier in this conversation where you said I was the quote, unquote, best parts of you. Whatever you have it. But, Sharon, if that is any true, that's what I was displaying back at you. I was mirroring you. There were several scenarios where you displayed reframing the process of reframing in a way that would empower me. Come on now, reframe. You would, you would. I would go through a situation and you would say, well, Keke, that's not. Well, this is the thing. A lot of these people, you don't know where they're coming from. They don't always make the end decision. You don't always know what it is. It could be because you tall, short.
- [53:43]
Sharon Palmer
So you were telling me back what I was telling you. That's right. Well, see, there you go. That's all I was saying. No, you're right.
- [53:49]
Keke Palmer
I was just reflecting everything about you that catch you right.
- [53:52]
Sharon Palmer
Well, one thing I could say to you about this business is that you've never. And I don't know what you go to your room and do, but I didn't. I mean, I mean, I don't know.
- [54:04]
Keke Palmer
What that reminds me of. One time when we were in Berlin shooting Berlin Station and I got so embarrassed because I was watching Game of Thrones and there was a sex scene going on and my door was open. I said, oh my gosh, I hope my mom don't think I'm in here watching porn. I was so scared.
- [54:17]
Sharon Palmer
I probably was in my room watching porn, so it didn't matter. But, but the, the thing is with you and this is something that I've always admired. I always admire you. And, and, and you know, and, and why people say, why do you admire? Because even when you have problems or you have issues, you always work on yourself. You're the type of person that's up working on yourself. You're doing your reading, you're trying to figure things out. And I've always admired that. You've never been the type of person that wallow around, oh, woe is me. You're always, oh, well, I gotta figure this out. I gotta do mom.
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Keke Palmer
That is.
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Sharon Palmer
You're very solution orientated. So if I gave that to you, then that's a great gift, girl.
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Keke Palmer
I remember this one time that I was going through, I don't know what it was, a breakup or something. I was just like really just depressed down in the dumps and I was laying in my bed and I was just sad. And you came into my room, you said, what's going on? I said, mom, it's just sad. I just don't know how I'm gonna get through this. You were like, you gonna get through it. You need to get out this bed. I'm like, mom, I just, I can't. And so. Yes you can. You gonna get out this bed. You can't do this. You know who you are. You're gonna be sad. You move on. But you're not gonna do this.
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Sharon Palmer
It's okay to cry.
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Keke Palmer
You need to get up and stop acting like that because you are better than this. And I was like, yeah, you right. I'm better than this.
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Sharon Palmer
But, you know, sometimes you need people. Do you remember that? Yes. I'm proud of you because you was.
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Keke Palmer
Like, I could see on your face.
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Sharon Palmer
Yeah.
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Keke Palmer
This is what I felt you was doing. Hmm. Do I sit up in this bed and be sad with her?
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Sharon Palmer
Right.
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Keke Palmer
Do I take it easy? And I don't want her to be broken and falling apart? And then a split second, you say, oh, hell no. I'm about to get it into her right now that she can't do this.
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Sharon Palmer
That's right.
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Keke Palmer
And I was like, I love that. She really snapped me out of that.
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Sharon Palmer
Yeah. And that's the type of mother I had, so. And I told you, you know, where you came from is important. Your family is important.
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Keke Palmer
I was, like, 20. I think I was, like, 21 years old.
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Chani Nicholas
Yeah.
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Sharon Palmer
That's what my mother. My mother used to tell me, that even if I was in the bed sick, she'd go, get up, and I said, mom, I'm so sick. Get up, take a shower, take your medicine. Go back to bed. You'll be clean in the bed. That'll make you feel better, you know?
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Keke Palmer
Yeah.
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Sharon Palmer
So that's the type of people that I came from. So I just. In that moment, I turned into Mildred and I said, get up. So I'm glad that it helped you, because that's what my mother used to tell me. She say, you know, you have to help yourself. Those are things that she say, have to help yourself, you know, keep living and, you know, and God give you five senses for a reason.
- [56:45]
Keke Palmer
Yep.
- [56:45]
Sharon Palmer
I never did understand that one, though.
- [56:48]
Keke Palmer
Yeah.
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Sharon Palmer
God.
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Keke Palmer
Thanks.
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Sharon Palmer
You can smell. What are the five senses?
- [56:52]
Keke Palmer
Smell, hear, taste, see, and touch.
- [56:57]
Sharon Palmer
So he gave you five. So what was she talking about? So God gave you five senses for. Get a hold of da da da. God gave you five senses for a reason. Oh, okay. That used to irritate me so that I never thought about what the hell she was talking about. So now I get it. So she was telling me, God gave.
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Keke Palmer
You five scissors, so use them. To use them? Yeah. Don't just sit there and use. I guess. What was you using with laying the bed? Touch.
- [57:20]
Sharon Palmer
I guess. I don't know. But now that makes sense. So now I'm gonna tell your kids that. Ugh, God gave you five sisters. So use em.
- [57:27]
Keke Palmer
You're not gonna tell em I dance at your wedding with a cowbell on. I used to hate that one.
- [57:31]
Sharon Palmer
I love that.
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Keke Palmer
Anyway, Chani is a unique voice and has such a sharp intuition about her. I'm blown away by the reading she gave me and my mom. I think she's showing us how astrology isn't just about predicting the future, but more about understanding ourselves and embracing who we truly are. My biggest takeaway is that when the world demands constant rationalization and justification for our behaviors, astrology might be one of the best tools we have to fill in the gaps and truly accept ourselves. So get out there and tap into the stars to love you you a little more and I'll see you next week because you know it's your girl. Enjoy. Baby this is Keke Palmer on the Wondery app, wherever you get your podcasts and now on YouTube where you can watch full episodes. Subscribe to the wondery channel on YouTube and don't miss any episodes. You can listen to Baby this is Keke Palmer early and ad free on Wondery. Join Wondery in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Baby this is Keke Palmer is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Segal is our post producer. Music supervisor is Scott Velasquez. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Keke Palmer for Team Kiki for Kiki. My producer is Sharon Palmer. For Wondery. Our Managing Producer is Olivia Fonte. Our producer is Tristan McNeil. Senior producers are Lizzie Bassett and Candace Manriquez Ritt. Our Executive producers are Dave Easton and Marshall Louie.
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Chani Nicholas
The first male rapper to be honored on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, Sean Diddy Combs.
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Narrator
Diddy built an empire and lived a life most people only dream about.
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Sharon Palmer
Everybody know ain't no party like a Diddy party. So yeah, that's what's up.
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Narrator
But just as quickly as his empire rose, it came crashing down.
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Chani Nicholas
Today I'm announcing the unsealing of a.
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Narrator
Three count indictment charging Sean Combs with.
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Chani Nicholas
Racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking, interstate transportation for prostitution.
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Keke Palmer
I was up and I hit rock bottom, but I made no excuses. I'm disgusted. I'm so sorry.
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Chani Nicholas
Until you're wearing an orange jumpsuit, it's not real. Now it's real.
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Narrator
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