A (2:18)

Wow. What time would you say you get up when you don't have anything to do?

B (2:24)

Like 5pm Woo.

A (2:27)

That's why you're so beautiful. Cause you're getting all that rest.

B (2:29)

Oh well, I love you for saying that.

A (2:31)

I need to get more rest.

B (2:32)

Thank you. You're doing great. Omg.

A (2:35)

Okay. What did you listen to on the ride? I. I mean, an amazing answer. Rest in Peace, Prince.

B (2:40)

Rest in Peace, Prince.

A (2:41)

Oh, my gosh. We love Prince. What's your favorite Prince record?

B (2:44)

If you have one album or song?

A (2:47)

Album.

B (2:47)

Purple Rain.

A (2:49)

So good. And you know, we got the purple curtains.

B (2:51)

Yes. That's why I remember loving.

A (2:54)

Okay, one thing that instantly makes you laugh. This made me laugh. Because this makes everybody laugh. The video of Justin Bieber talking about it's not clocking to you that I'm standing on business.

B (3:03)

Oh, my God.

A (3:04)

Is that video.

B (3:05)

It's not that video. Cause I was that video. I was talking about James Brown and the Dankashon video. Girl, I'm on the floor.

A (3:14)

I literally saw JB invol Justin Bieber not clocking.

B (3:17)

I figured I'd be handing it to you and reading it to you, so. That's a good one, though. It's a classic photo of James Brown.

A (3:23)

What does he do?

B (3:24)

He's talking on. Was it cnn? Was it one of, like, a news situation? And he's talking about. He's going on tour, but he was having problems with his W. So. Yeah, it was a whole thing.

A (3:37)

He was giving all the tea on the morning show.

B (3:39)

Well, I don't know. He was being hilarious. You just gotta watch it.

A (3:43)

Okay. And then the last screenshot of your phone. No deleting. My kids. My kids twins. I told you I have twin siblings.

B (3:52)

Yes.

A (3:54)

They're crazy. My mom's a twin, My dad's a twin, and they had twins. So when you.

B (3:58)

And you're lucky you're not a twin girl.

A (4:00)

Cause if you had two kikis, it would be too much.

B (4:02)

There's not enough room on this planet for the personality that be coming out.

A (4:07)

Are they a lot alike, your twins?

B (4:10)

They have their own personalities.

A (4:11)

Yeah.

B (4:12)

Yeah.

A (4:12)

Close or go through phases.

B (4:14)

They go through phases. Yeah.

A (4:15)

Isn't that funny?

B (4:16)

Yeah.

A (4:17)

When my twins are in a good place, they're bullying everybody.

B (4:20)

Ooh.

A (4:21)

Yeah. It's crazy. They gang up on everybody, including me. It's a terrible topic. I'm so happy that you're here. Thank you for answering these questions. I mean, what's been going on in your life lately? What would you describe this of your life?

B (4:34)

Mm. How long are we thinking an era is? Cause I don't acknowledge time, so I don't know.

A (4:40)

By the way, was that your whole life, or did you one day decide time didn't need to be A focal point.

B (4:45)

I think that was when I was, like, 18. I decided that because I cried on my 18th birthday.

A (4:51)

Why? What do you mean?

B (4:52)

And I didn't want to have birthdays anymore because I just. Nothing happened. But I was waiting to get my record deal, and I was just. That was it. Wow.

A (4:59)

So you were like, time is no longer meaningful, and now we just have vibes.

B (5:04)

We just have moods. We just have vibes.

A (5:07)

Okay, so without the thought of time, how would you express this new project, your new project here for it all? What is that era?

B (5:14)

It's in the moment. It's in the moment, the moments that we're having.

A (5:19)

It's in the moments.

B (5:21)

Yeah, it really is, if you think about it.

A (5:24)

Yeah, it is. It is in the moments. But then it's like, where has time left us? Like, there's something like, how do I know when I'm showing up, when I'm showing up? When I have a deadline.

B (5:34)

You'll be late.

A (5:38)

I'm howling. Okay, so one word to divine your vibe. Would you say right now different than any of your other vibes or eras or moments in time?

B (5:48)

I think it's like a mystery of all of those moments in time, putting them together and kind of just like. Just emanating what that feels like. Mm.

A (6:00)

So you grew up in Long Island.

B (6:03)

Eh.

A (6:04)

Now, what do that mean?

B (6:06)

I had a tough time growing up.

A (6:08)

What would you say was the toughest thing about growing up there?

B (6:12)

Uh, just maybe some of the kids and the people that were around being biracial.

A (6:19)

I know you've spoken about that before.

B (6:21)

Yeah. And I wrote about it in my book.

A (6:23)

Yes. Which I have.

B (6:24)

Did you actually read it? I did. Really?

A (6:27)

Yes. Yay. What was the hardest part about writing that book? And kind of going back to those earlier times in your life, things that people may not really know about you?

B (6:37)

Yeah. I mean, it wasn't. I wasn't like, oh, I'm scared for people to know. I wanted people to know because then people would stop asking me, like, you know, stuff that, to me, is just, like, obvious. But that's obvious. Cause that's the way I grew up. I grew up around people that didn't accept me because of being biracial and things that happened that were upsetting, to say the least.

A (7:00)

You say and close my eyes I was a wayward child with the weight of the world that I held deep inside Life was winding road and I learned many things that little ones shouldn't know. And I really relate to that. Um, I'm curious for you Because I definitely think it's this way for me. Like, how was music or your artistry a way to either explore or transmute some of those difficult things?

B (7:26)

Well, I always knew, like, this sounds, whatever, very arrogant, but I'm just telling the truth. I always knew from the time I was a little, little girl that I was going to make it. I just believed it. And my mother actually told me, you know, don't say if I make it, say when I make it. And so I took that advice and I just always believed, like, you know, strongly believed.

A (7:56)

Yeah. How did you find writing? Cause I think that's one of the. I mean, not only do you have an incredible voice, but you've always been an incredibly gifted writer. Was that something that you did before you started doing music, Poetry, journaling, or how did writing find you?

B (8:09)

I started with poetry when I was, like, 6 years old. I have the. It's on the back cover of. Where is It? It's on the COVID of either one of my albums or the. It's not the back cover of the book, but it's a picture that I drew, and I was like. I think, like, six years old. And it's just me with little. What are those called? Pigtails. And just, like, in the flowers and at the top of it, it says me, period. I am Mariah. And that's my first bit of poetry and art.

A (8:46)

Do you have a favorite song that you've written?

B (8:49)

Hmm. Well, you mentioned Close My Eyes before, and not everybody knows that song, so. Thank you. I love that song because it's really telling a story sequentially. Like, you know, I'm explaining what has happened, like, at that point in my life. That was the Butterfly album, so.

A (9:09)

Yeah.

B (9:09)

Yeah. So that became, like, my way of releasing.

A (9:14)

Yeah. One of my favorites from you is Breakdown.

B (9:17)

I love Breakdown.

A (9:19)

I love that song so much because there's something about it, when I'm listening to it that makes me feel empowered. In the Breakdown. Does that make sense? Like, we're talking. It feels heavy, and there's something heavy that's happening and going on, but something about it feels like I feel empowered to release.

B (9:37)

Yes. Yes.

A (9:38)

What was happening in your life when you wrote that song, and how did you decide to put Bone Thugs on it?

B (9:43)

I was releasing. I was.

A (9:52)

I wanna know what the. I can only imagine what the vibe is for you in the studio. Is it different every time when you're releasing?

B (9:59)

Yes. But that moment with Bone Thugs was incredible. Like, so good. It was a lot of moments happening here and there, you know, Greenery was coming out.

A (10:13)

Okay, well, we had to set the vibe.

B (10:16)

They definitely set the vibe. And it was so great being with them.

A (10:23)

Oh, my gosh. I can only imagine what it would have been like being in that room, in that era. Very special time. And you. You are a big part of what made it so special for all of us. At 18, this is crazy to me because we always hear these stories about, as artists, you know, not knowing the value of your work. But at 18, for you, you were offered $5,000 for all the songs you had written.

B (10:45)

Yes.

A (10:45)

And you said no. How did you know to do that then? Because obviously after that point, you still had to deal with crazy industry stuff. But that was a pretty big thing for you to know, even then.

B (10:58)

Yeah, well, I just had seen, like, some documentaries and a couple things and saw that. It was like, don't sell your publishing. Like, that made a very big point of that. Like, it happened to even the Beatles. So I was like, wow, I don't want that to happen to me. Cause I believe in my songs. And that's what I'm, you know, gonna be. That's gonna be my. What I have to offer to the world.

A (11:23)

Yeah.

B (11:24)

You know, so I just. I just kept going.

A (11:29)

So when you did finally, obviously get, you know, your. Your big deal and, I mean, pretty much took over the 90s, there was still things you were up against in terms of having to make your image palatable. One of my favorite clips of you is when you. I wish I could remember the exact year, but you're winning an award. And this is obviously later, after a lot of transitions for you. And you were saying, it feels so good to finally be able to be myself. So I want to know that journey leading up to that, like, what it was that wasn't being yourself. And how was that even presented to you at that age where. I mean, how did they tell you, hey, tamper this down or don't be this or don't do that?

B (12:08)

Yeah, well, they definitely did that. Yeah. Yeah, they did. But I'm trying to think of the exact moment that you're talking about. And if.

A (12:18)

Did I have, like, six, three 1999 Billboard Awards? You were winning an award, and the speech was so remarkable you were giving. You were so gracious to your fans. It was so honest, and you seemed so happy, and you seemed so free. And what it was interesting to me was like, damn, I wonder what she felt like before. Cause you had already been a star for many years by that point.

B (12:42)

Yeah. What I felt like before Was. I was in a very. What's the word for the type of relationship? Controlling. Yeah. And so I dealt with that and, you know, wished I could fly away. It was really difficult to live in that world.

A (13:03)

How did you get the courage and how did you get the business savvy to get out of all that stuff with Tommy Mottola? And what was that label at that time?

B (13:13)

Cbs? Sony.

A (13:14)

With Sony, yeah. How did you. I mean, that was tough, and that was everything. Your success was tied to that. So what were those steps? How did you do that?

B (13:25)

It was not easy. I was scared a lot of the time. I didn't know what was gonna happen. You never know who to trust. And the thing is, if he would've just let me be me and every now and then go to a friend's house or go, you know, to a spa, um, I would have stayed, but that wasn't the plan.

A (13:51)

And do you think it was all about money?

B (13:54)

You know, I never thought that, but I.

A (13:57)

It probably was just the ability to control somebody. You can control the money. You can control what the.

B (14:03)

They're bringing in the money. You know, not that he didn't have his own stuff before that, but when someone's a new, you know, young artist and everything, and they're writing their songs and making these albums for a huge company, you know, the control levels are pretty difficult.

A (14:24)

How did you change? Meaning what changed in you from that girl in the beginning that felt, okay, this is this. You know, I'm going with the flow, and I trust this person, and I'm having this success, even though so much of it feels away from me to. I've got to make a change. What was that switch internally?

B (14:45)

Hmm.

A (14:47)

Or was it a moment?

B (14:48)

It was a moment, and it was a lot of moments that came together.

A (14:52)

Yeah.

B (14:54)

And, you know, I did the best I could with the whole thing. It's not an easy road.

A (15:04)

Yeah. So when did you start to feel like success wasn't something that was just happening to you or for you, but something that you felt like you had an active role in, that you felt like, okay, I can enjoy this in full.

B (15:18)

Yeah. Well, that's probably around the album. Butterfly, which was 98.

A (15:22)

Yes. 98.

B (15:23)

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So that was, like a big lift, you know, up to the sky. Just being able to write my own songs the way I wanted to write them. That's the era that I wrote Breakdown and all that. All those songs, I finally felt like, okay, I'm me.

A (15:45)

You know, I was so surprised when I was also going through things like, I know that you did We Belong Together with Jermaine Dupri, but I didn't know he also did Always Be My Baby.

B (15:53)

Yes. That was the first song we wrote together.

A (15:55)

Girl. Yes. That is just too much. What is it about you guys? Like, y' all makes the most incredible, like, always been my baby. Like, girl, what?

B (16:04)

And we did a lot of others too, as well.

A (16:07)

What was it like? What do you think the vibe or the reason is why you guys had such or have such great chemistry together with music.

B (16:15)

He's. Jermaine is like, you know, writing songs with. If you had a cool brother and someone that's just, you know, your true friend. That's what JD Is like to me. I love him so much.

A (16:28)

And then he dropped a crazy bomb talking to grammy.com saying that you guys recorded We Belong Together in an hour.

B (16:35)

It was pretty fast. Girl.

A (16:39)

That is absolutely insane. Insane. Did you ever, you know, being the voice, being someone that is always like, was there ever any moment in your life where that was pressureful? Just the expectations that people had. Knowing. Knowing your gift.

B (16:53)

Every moment is pressureful.

A (16:59)

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B (18:21)

It was a pretty big level of expectation, but, you know, you gotta Just go through it and be yourself and do whatever you can to calm down and get through whatever your moment is that you're having. Yeah.

A (18:37)

So we were talking about Butterfly, but also the Emancipation of Mimi is another era and moment that it just marks an evolution for you. Why do you think reinvention is so. I don't even wanna say important, but it's something that you do very well.

B (18:52)

Thank you.

A (18:53)

Is it something that you're actively doing in terms of your career, or is it also just really a reflection of your life?

B (18:59)

I think it's just a reflection of my life. It's interesting because I never thought I was that type of person that did those recreat. Other artists that I've seen, you know, definitely, they do that. They're in the era of Pink Dresses and the, you know, era of whatever. But Pink Dresses was just an example that wasn't pointed at anybody.

A (19:21)

You mean you're talking about.

B (19:22)

No.

A (19:27)

I'm howling.

B (19:28)

Purple dresses. No, but I mean, like, I didn't do it on purpose. Right. You know, I mean, now I'm more conscious of it. Like, okay, okay, let's do this. This time around, let's do, you know, a couple different covers and make it interesting. But, yeah. Before, I always tried to keep it simple. Mm.

A (19:50)

You know, and just tell your truth, I suppose.

B (19:53)

Yeah.

A (19:53)

Yeah.

B (19:54)

Through the music.

A (19:55)

Well, you're here. Speaking of through the music, you're here for a very exciting reason. You're here getting ready for this new project, Here For it all, that's coming out September 26th. Congratulations.

B (20:05)

Thank you.

A (20:06)

I mean, this is a huge treat for us that I don't even know we deserve. It's been seven years since your last project.

B (20:13)

Yes.

A (20:14)

What made you say, now let me throw them a bone.

B (20:17)

You know what it was I started doing, making songs, writing songs and recording songs. And then I would have, like, four new songs, which really isn't even close to enough for an album. Maybe some people think it is, but I just knew I needed to do, like, 10 songs at least and whatever. And then I said, this should be an album. Let's just do an album. Yeah. And we did.

A (20:43)

What does Here For it all mean to you?

B (20:45)

Here For it all is the last song on my album, Here For It All. And I decided to name the project after that song because it's. To me, it's definitely the best song on the album. I mean, depending on what you like or whatever. But for me, personally, it's the best song on the album, and it's very real.

A (21:08)

Is there a lyric or a section in that song or the album that you think epitomizes it all?

B (21:15)

It really goes from the beginning to the end, and you just gotta listen to it. And it's a very. The ending is kind of like, I don't want to give away all the little things, but it's very much like, you know, it goes into kind of like a gospel moment and different moments. It's kind of like Fly like a Bird esque, but with other songs in the front.

A (21:38)

Yes. I can't wait to get into that. Cause I'm definitely loving type Dangerous. It's giving everything we need. We have the Eric B Is the president sample, which is dope. What made you want to lead with that?

B (21:51)

I think everybody that was involved with the project was just like, let's do this. And it just felt like, you know, felt like, me. I'm a New Yorker. What can you say?

A (22:00)

And I love the video. The video has that. That camp that I love. When you get into that. You know what I mean? Cause it's such an awareness. You have such an awareness around yourself. And I'm wondering, when did that become a thing for you to lean into? When did you realize, okay, like, people have this idea of me, I'm this diva or this thing. Well, let me actually, like, lean into the elusive Shuntus.

B (22:23)

Yes. Well, before they called me the elusive Shantus, I was doing. What do you call it when you're just kind of, like, making jokes and doing whatever. I was just being myself, like the self that nobody really knows in the public. I was just, like, joking around. And we ended up doing the honey video where we're speaking Spanish and, you know, running away from the bad guys.

A (22:49)

I feel like that video was $40 million, y'. All was.

B (22:52)

That video was a lot of money.

A (22:57)

Yes. Omg. Now. Well, let's talk about some of the collaborations, because you've been working a lot with my guy, Anderson Paak. I love Anderson Paak. I mean, what about him? I mean, how long have you known him? Was it for this project, or have you guys always been friends and just decided to, hey, let's collaborate on this?

B (23:13)

This was for this project. I know him from now.

A (23:17)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now know him from now. This moment. No timeline. What is it about him, you think, that made you guys collab so well this time around?

B (23:27)

I just felt that his style of music would really blend well with mine.

A (23:34)

Yeah, I see guys hold hands a lot.

B (23:36)

Well, you know, that's how we do.

A (23:40)

Maybe there's A little love there.

B (23:41)

I'll see you.

A (23:42)

Maybe a little love.

B (23:42)

Who knows?

A (23:46)

Do you have a type?

B (23:48)

Type? Dangerous.

A (23:53)

What does it take for a guy to get Mariah to take them seriously?

B (23:59)

Um, I don't know. They just have to be a cool person and, you know, understand that I'm just a regular person that has jokes and moments and doesn't acknowledge time.

A (24:16)

I mean, there has to be so. I mean, I'm not you. And even I. As you know, the perceptions that come with being an entertainer, it can make it so hard to find a way to have grounded moments. You know what I mean? You're a cultural icon. Like, you know, there's not a world that really. I remember that I didn't know you. I remember being a kid and my sister having a VHS tape. She's also a huge fan. She's here watching. Hey, l'.

B (24:39)

Real. Hey.

A (24:40)

We watched this tape of all of your performances and all of your interviews. I don't know what this tape was, but we would watch it, like, every single day.

B (24:48)

It was called the First Vision.

A (24:49)

Yes. Yes, girl. Yay.

B (24:52)

I knew something of my own.

A (24:53)

Oh, no, girl, wait a minute. That was a big deal. That was such a brilliant. What made you put that together? Because that was such a brilliant thing for the fans.

B (25:03)

Oh, it really was for the fans. But I'm gonna give it up to the label from back then, the first label. They wanted to do it, and so smart. That was their thing. And I did it, girl.

A (25:13)

We watched it all the time. And so when you have that kind of impact, like, how do you create a grounded world for yourself where people aren't doing that?

B (25:25)

Yeah, I don't know. You would know just as much as I know.

A (25:30)

I mean, after a while, it gets pretty impossible. You kind of just. Especially with dating, it becomes very difficult, I'll honestly say, for myself, because there's a gender. There's. There's, like, gender norms and then there's double standards where it's like, no matter what, as a woman, you. You know, your success is always going to be an overshadowing, even if that man is. You know. And then with men, they can be. And they could be dating who Shot John? And no one cares, and it's never a thing. You know what I mean? Like, no one's thinking of it or measuring them against them. But as a woman, when you're very successful, it's almost as if no one can measure up.

B (26:09)

Right.

A (26:10)

Even if they do to you, they can't to themselves. I mean, how did you have You. Have you lived through that? Because it's hard for me.

B (26:21)

I've lived through it kind of with different people who shall remain nameless and, you know, you just gotta, like, hold on tight and get through it, you know, I don't really know how I do that, but that's something that I do. I'm not really focused on other stuff. Like, you know, which guy am I gonna be with this day or who? You know, I'm just not that person. I'm very kind of shy person. So.

A (26:53)

Yeah. Would you get married again?

B (26:55)

Go for three? Why not?

A (27:01)

When you think about your first marriage and what you thought about it then, how has your. I mean, yeah, you'd be open to it, but how would it look differently now?

B (27:09)

Well, I did love my first wedding dress, and then I wore it in the We Belong Together video. Did you know that?

A (27:15)

No, I did not.

B (27:18)

Yeah, it was good.

A (27:20)

So the dress can come back?

B (27:22)

Dress can come back for sure. Like, you know, it was my first wedding. I should just be nice about it. It was great.

A (27:30)

But also, you could be truthful. I mean, things change. My ideas around that stuff change every moment. Especially after having kids. You know, I think I always knew I wanted a son or child.

B (27:40)

Yeah.

A (27:40)

Could have been a boy, could have been girl, could have been them. They. I knew I wanted a child.

B (27:45)

Yeah.

A (27:45)

And I think there was a moment in my life where I cared about marriage and all those things. But, you know, at the end of the day, I'm also Keke Palmer, you know, So I don't know that it looks the same for me the way that it looks for other people. And so that's changed the way that I think about it.

B (28:03)

Right.

A (28:04)

What is it like to be the queen of Christmas?

B (28:07)

Well, I love Christmas so much. People are just like, oh, yeah, that's just an act that she puts on. But really, I love it so much.

A (28:18)

Oh, my gosh. Who doesn't love Christmas?

B (28:19)

People that don't love Christmas. I know, but they don't love it like me.

A (28:24)

I mean, how did that come to fruition? Like, what was. Like, obviously, you've done amazing Christmas songs, albums, but what made you say, okay, I'm gonna make this my thing? Was it just the world that did it and you leaned in, or was it something you set out to do?

B (28:38)

I think it was the world that did it, and I leaned in because there'd be, like, moments when my songs would be playing and I'd be like, oh, okay. People like this song for Christmas. And then I just definitely leaned into it and said, you know, this is my favorite thing. I'm so happy that people are liking this.

A (28:59)

Yeah. Yeah, I look forward to it. When youn Believe is one of my favorite songs from the Prince of Egypt. It's a duet with you and Whitney.

B (29:08)

Yes.

A (29:09)

I just want to talk about that time, you know, how did the song come to you guys, and how did you feel about doing it together?

B (29:16)

Well, prior to that moment, we had not worked together at all or done anything together. We didn't even really know each other at all. But that happened, and that was the greatest part of the moments.

A (29:31)

Yeah.

B (29:32)

And, yeah, it was a beautiful song. We didn't write the song.

A (29:40)

Yeah.

B (29:41)

That was Clive Davis saying, hey, do this. You know, and so we did it, and we, you know, we each sang the song separately, and it was a beautiful, beautiful moment.

A (29:55)

What do you remember about. I mean, obviously you didn't record it with her, but being with her. What did you remember about you guys performing the song together or preparing for the song together?

B (30:04)

Well, there's a few different moments that happened. Like, you know, throughout the thing. Preparing for the song together. I would say, how did we actually do that? It's hard because, you know, people were pinning us against each other.

A (30:20)

Well, that's right.

B (30:21)

Yeah.

A (30:22)

Yeah. I mean, for a while, people were very much so. It was the whole, you know, pop divas and one can only be one and this and that. So that's why I was curious of what it was like when you guys find, you know, what did people not understand about your actual relationship?

B (30:34)

I don't know. And she. If she were here today, she'd be like, I don't know. And neither did she.

A (30:41)

Hilarious. It's kind of one of those things where the world takes and says what they say without even really any real knowledge.

B (30:48)

Yeah. Without knowing. But we ended up being really, you know, friends with each other. And when she was around, I had a good time. Like, that's all I know.

A (30:59)

Yeah. Well, I love to hear that. I mean, I love you both, and it was really awesome to see you both do that song together.

B (31:07)

That's a good one.

A (31:08)

So you've won five Grammys, and you've been nominated 34 times. And I hate this concept that we hear so much where people say, oh, this is underrated, and I don't really love that term, but I'm curious with you if you feel like, you know, the women in this industry are celebrated as much as they should be, or if the accolades and the nominations and the wins reflect their true Impact.

B (31:30)

Hmm. It does seem like men get more acknowledgement and all of that than women. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like that. Yeah.

A (31:40)

Yeah, it does. I mean, and really, I don't really know what the answer to it is or what the reason would be. You know, sometimes there's randomly. The rules change, therefore, the awards change, and then the goalposts can constantly keep moving for you in your career, what has been the thing that's let you know you're appreciated or if that even matters?

B (32:02)

It wasn't awards. I did feel like I got gypped out of some of those awards, but that doesn't matter. But, yeah. Do I think women get less? They receive less?

A (32:22)

Yeah. Like, if their names are kind of written out of the history of it.

B (32:25)

Yeah.

A (32:26)

Through these systems.

B (32:27)

Yeah, I do.

A (32:28)

Yeah.

B (32:29)

I believe in that.

A (32:30)

Yeah, me too. Is there a way we change it?

B (32:33)

Can we try?

A (32:34)

Yeah. I mean, I'm cur.

B (32:35)

Yeah.

A (32:36)

I mean, what board do we gotta get on?

B (32:39)

You know, That's a good question. Cause there definitely is a board.

A (32:42)

You know, there's a board.

B (32:43)

There's gotta be a board.

A (32:44)

Yeah, yeah, I know I'm on a couple of them, but I don't know that it's working.

B (32:49)

Whatever I'm doing is not working with that, so.

A (32:53)

But then also the question is, like, I was just saying, like, does it matter? And if it does, does it. I mean, it's like, does it matter? You know, which. Maybe it does. The history and the systems and making sure that there's representation. But then also, like, as an artist, value has to come from somewhere else. We can't always look for it outwards.

B (33:12)

Yeah.

A (33:13)

So where does it come from for you?

B (33:17)

Well, you know, my life a little bit since we've been sitting here, I've been talking your ear off about it, but I do think a lot of it was from outward, you know, with me, awards and all that stuff. But it's clearly not the right answer. It's not. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I think if we can have our inner selves come to the world with, like, whatever we're reaching for, then that would be fantastic.

A (33:53)

In those early days, what do you think you were reaching for? If there was, like, a question you were trying to get answered?

B (34:00)

You know, I don't know. I need to go a little bit more to therapy to figure that out. Yeah. Trust me, I know. But. Yeah, it's just. It just is what it is. Yeah. Mm.

A (34:15)

I really do feel that. What's inspiring you lately? Or what inspired you? For Here For it all was there, you know, is there a moment or a thing or something?

B (34:26)

Yeah. Here for it all is definitely my favorite new song. It's my favorite new song that I've put together. And, you know, it's. I don't know that it's gonna be everybody's favorite, but it's. It's my favorite.

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B (36:28)

It's hard to say because I have different eras with my kids. Like when they were babies, that was one thing. And they were so tiny and cute. And then, you know, a couple years later, they would come on stage with me when I was doing a Christmas show at the. What's the name of the theater? The Beacon Theater. That's it. They would come out on the stage with me and it was really like. It was just so beautiful. I loved that as a moment. And then, you know, kind of now or there's been times in between then and now. But we are just a family. And it's a beautiful thing. Even when they want to do their own thing. Even when it's like, you know, oh, I'm not going out with you to da da da da or whatever. Yeah, they're still everything to me.

A (37:19)

Do they sing your music? Do they have a favorite version of you? Is it Mariah? Is it me? Me?

B (37:28)

I don't know. They don't really sing my music. I mean, I heard my daughter singing my song the other night, which was good.

A (37:34)

Does that give you life? Like, would you love if they were into entertainment? I mean, both their parents are entertainment. Would you love that or would you not?

B (37:43)

I wouldn't mind it. I would always want what's best for them in their heart, what they're gonna love doing the most. Yeah.

A (37:51)

Yeah. I would love it if my son wanted to be in entertainment. I mean, I don't want to, like, be, like, a stage mom and push it on him, but I would live.

B (37:59)

What does he. What does he like to do?

A (38:01)

Well, right now he's into cars and stuff. He's just two. But he does realize, like, that I'm a performer. Like, he'll tell me to pull the camera up, and he'll be like. Like, he knows that I'm fake laughing. Like, he knows to fake laugh. And it's the cute. Honestly, I'm just gonna show it to you really quick.

B (38:18)

Okay.

A (38:19)

Because I really think you're going to live for this. It's absolutely insane. Oh, my gosh. It's so cute, girl. Oh, my gosh.

B (38:26)

Here he goes. Even, like, a kiss on his forehead or anything like that.

A (38:37)

And I found out that he does that because one time somebody was taking pictures of me, and he jumped in the photo and he started being like, it's the craziest thing. So, you know, I feel that we have a performer in our midst.

B (38:51)

Well, clearly we do. Wow. He's gonna do something.

A (38:55)

Oh, my gosh. Okay, what do you think? Or what would you want your kids to say about you As a legend 30 years from now, years from now, when they're, you know, speaking on your behalf or, you know, what would you say?

B (39:08)

Well, hopefully they would do it. You don't know. They might be like, no, I can't come today and do this. Hilarious. You never know.

A (39:24)

What do you think they would say?

B (39:25)

I honestly don't know. Like, they could say many things.

A (39:30)

Yeah.

B (39:30)

But, you know, hopefully they say that I always cared for them and loved them deeply.

A (39:37)

I know. That's for sure. I mean, you've done so much music, obviously. Incredible. Fashion. I'm literally going and buying those pants soon as you leave. Is there anything that you feel like you haven't done or that you would want to do?

B (39:52)

I'm thinking about putting something together that's like some sort of cosmetics moment. But I gotta wait a little minute for that and then try and jump into it.

A (40:06)

I'm here for a cosmetics moment.

B (40:07)

Here for it all. Here for it all.

A (40:12)

Yes.

B (40:13)

Okay.

A (40:14)

This has. I have to bring up your masterclass. Right? You did. Masterclass. And you said something very interesting. You said, I don't know if I have survived the music industry yet. I'm still trying. I mean, that's really powerful. And it kind of ties back to some of the things we've been talking about. But what did you mean when you said that?

B (40:33)

Exactly what I said. Like, I'm still trying to survive the music. It's a tough industry to be in from such an early age and then. And, you know, trying to. Just. Even just having a good friend in the music industry, none of it's easy. No, I mean, for me, it wasn't easy.

A (40:54)

It ain't easy for me either. With entertainment. It's not.

B (40:57)

Yeah.

A (40:58)

I think that's why I was so excited also to talk to you. Because, you know, I'm hoping. And I feel like I have been in this conversation learning how to deal with it. I think something that you do so well is you deal with it so much grace and humor, um, which I know is. You know, that's kind of my language with stuff is I make a joke. Oh, you know. You know. But there's a lot going on underneath.

B (41:20)

Yes, yes.

A (41:21)

And we do get that from your music, from your lyrics and the things you say. That's why I was living for Breakdown. Cause it was helping me break down. But for you, under. You know, when you're dealing with it outside of the humor, outside of the laughter, what is your way to cope?

B (41:42)

It's kind of interesting because for a while, I didn't get involved in the industry like I did at first. And then a couple years went by, and I was just kind of, like, not really approaching that moment. It wasn't like, oh, let's all be with our industry caps on. And, you know, like. But now I kind of feel like, okay, I'm coming back to it. I'm seeing people. And, you know what I mean? Like, I stepped away for a minute, just avoided it. Mm.

A (42:21)

I'm not mad at that.

B (42:23)

Maybe that's a thing we have to do.

A (42:26)

I think so. Cause I was Gonna say that can also be what survival looks like. It's just.

B (42:31)

Mm.

A (42:32)

Taking a step back. Yeah. Exited. Coming back. The elusive Chantous. That sounds good to me. When you look at the difference of the industry when you came up to now, what do you think's been. Yes. Lost. But what's been gained? Do you see any positives?

B (42:52)

I think people have an easier time breaking into the music business because of technology and the whole thing. But, you know, what do I think that means to me? I mean, it's a totally different business than it was when I first started. And I remember because, like, I told you, I was crying when I was 18 because I wanted a record deal. Like, now you don't even really need a record deal. You know, speak on it. It's true. True. But, yeah, back then, I was like, I have to have this record deal. I have to do this. Like, it was stressful. Yeah.

A (43:32)

So probably the fact that some of the gatekeeping has let up.

B (43:35)

Yes.

A (43:36)

But then, you know, we also hear these comments now where it's like, there's no more superstars. Why are there no more superstars? And I was thinking on something. I'm curious what you think about. It is like, I think that a lot of times, like, when we think about the concept of what a superstar is, there were a lot of stakes that those labels had in that person being a superstar. And a lot of times, it was a deal that you didn't want to be in. Like, it was something. You know, that's why they pushed it, because they. You're the product, and they Damn near owned 100% of you.

B (44:02)

Mm.

A (44:02)

And so it's like, to me now, I feel like the reason why we don't have as many superstars is also because sometimes the labels don't have as much of a stake.

B (44:11)

They don't have as much of a budget.

A (44:13)

Now get into that. Cause where did the budget go?

B (44:17)

The budget went to hell in a. What did they say?

A (44:22)

They spent that budget on that Honey video? That's where the hell it went.

B (44:25)

Well, you know, they owed it to me at that point.

A (44:30)

But it's so weird. It's like. It is. It's so true. It's like the budget's not there, and then also the control's not there. And I feel like all of it together has created this thing where they're trying to create a ceiling, and then there's only so much that you can do as an independent artist.

B (44:44)

Right. And it's not as fun to make, like, just, like, short like little videos. Like, I didn't do one. When we did Dangerous, everybody felt like, we have to come to the table with that. But, you know, it ends up being the artist's cost now.

A (45:01)

Yes, it does.

B (45:03)

That's what it does.

A (45:04)

It does. It really does. And sometimes I do feel like it's better because, hey, at least you're investing in yourself because it doesn't come with strings. But it does mean that that superstardom that we know and that we knew. It's not the same.

B (45:18)

It's vague.

A (45:19)

Yeah.

B (45:19)

Yeah, it is.

A (45:22)

When you were talking to Power 105, you said that music today feels like fast food and it's harder to create classic songs. I mean, some of that was maybe answered in what you just said in terms of just like, creating and the landscape. But how do you think we changed that?

B (45:37)

Well, I think I was a little bit mean saying it feels like fast food, but I guess I just also meant how it gets created.

A (45:43)

Yeah, I mean, fast food is good. I didn't. It wasn't too shady, but it's not always what you want.

B (45:47)

That's true. I didn't say it was Mr. Chows or Noble.

A (45:52)

You know, we have to have genres of food. Sometimes you do want it fast.

B (45:59)

But.

A (45:59)

We do also need, you know, like you said, Mr. Childs, we do need, you know.

B (46:03)

Yeah, it's Nobu.

A (46:04)

Nobu.

B (46:04)

Mm.

A (46:05)

Little bit of a linear something to be constructive.

B (46:08)

Something.

A (46:10)

How do we get back there? Or do we care or should we try to get back there?

B (46:14)

I think everybody. Everybody who's in the industry is trying to get back there in their own way, but they're using new school methods, and it doesn't really create the same type of, you know, superstar.

A (46:29)

What's an old school method you think we need to bring back? I mean, I know I think artist.

B (46:33)

Development, but yeah, I think that should happen. But do they do that? Do they do a little bit of that?

A (46:41)

Maybe some smaller production companies are. I don't know that the label do or ever did, but like, definitely smaller production companies. A lot of them, you know, they can. But when you go straight to the label and you ain't got no support, that's it. That's it. And then if you don't hit quick enough, then it's like, develop who? You a failure. It's crazy. It is.

B (47:04)

Develop who?

A (47:05)

You know what I mean? Develop who? They don't care about what's going on.

B (47:08)

Mm. Mm.

A (47:09)

What's the most important lesson you've learned as a businesswoman, as not just. Cause I think there's also a big change that's happening right now, too, where it's like, no, you don't need a label, and you damn near don't need a hit record, but you do need a brand. When did that kick in for you?

B (47:27)

Hmm. I don't know what year it was, but I was doing American Idol.

A (47:32)

Oh, my gosh. Yes.

B (47:33)

Yes.

A (47:34)

Y' all was shady on there.

B (47:37)

Some people were.

A (47:42)

They gave us life.

B (47:44)

But I just remember that that was a bit of a shift. That time felt like a shift in the way people were approaching their careers.

A (47:54)

Yeah.

B (47:54)

Or other. The labels were approaching stuff.

A (47:58)

Yeah. And did that. Did you feel like you immediately started making changes? I mean. Cause I feel like before then, you all. I mean, I felt like I saw that business acumen already, you know, in your career. So what were some changes after then that you felt you went into overdrive with?

B (48:13)

Well, it wasn't that I went into overdrive with it. It was just that, you know, we were doing this thing, which was one of the. Those shows shifted the culture.

A (48:23)

Really.

B (48:24)

Yes. So I didn't even really want to do the show, and then I ended up doing it. People convinced me, and. And I got on the show and I just. It just wasn't really me. It wasn't what I. What I was used to. But I took a check, and you can never go wrong with taking a check.

A (48:48)

Okay. Do you think an artist who's like you, who's writing and singing amazing vocals, producing, just building an early career, could break through in the same way?

B (48:59)

Like, now someone's doing that. I feel like it depends on the artist. And sometimes we see a new artist where they'll be just ready to go and people are loving them. And maybe not a new artist from yesterday, but, you know, some artists that the world loves and they haven't been around for a really long time.

A (49:24)

Yeah. Yeah. What's the biggest trap you think artists fall into? Or what do you. What would you have hoped someone said to you coming up?

B (49:32)

You know, everything coming up was in such a tight world for me that it's hard to sometimes answer a question like a normal person would just answer it.

A (49:42)

No, I know what you mean.

B (49:43)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (49:45)

Cause it was just a different time.

B (49:46)

Mm. And for me, a very different time. Cause of the enclosed kind of thing I had going on.

A (49:54)

Do you feel like you went through artist development during that enclosed, or was it literally just total non solventry and just do this, do that? And you learned on the back end.

B (50:04)

There was that yes. But also, like, I was growing up while it was happening, I was growing within it. And, you know, things that I already had, like my curly hair. I always wore curly hair. But that's, like, one thing that was mine. And, you know, I pretty much had the same look as I had, you know, just getting into the music industry. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have, like, gowns and things.

A (50:33)

Well, speaking of gowns and things, I want to take a stroll down memory lane.

B (50:36)

Okay.

A (50:36)

I play a game with all my guests, and I wanted to play this game with you called Mimi Memes, where we go back and look through some of your iconic memes and you tell me what was happening in the time that you filmed it.

B (50:47)

Okay.

A (50:48)

Okay.

B (50:52)

I can't even believe it was $900. You can't even freaking go in the treadmill in.

A (50:59)

So this is during. You said mc.

B (51:03)

Oh, Eagles. MC squared. Yeah.

A (51:05)

Yes.

B (51:05)

The promo that they did was, like, a bunch of little skits.

A (51:09)

Yes. And you on that treadmill with those heels, girl.

B (51:13)

I know.

A (51:14)

How real is that? Would you really do that?

B (51:17)

I would do that for a picture.

A (51:21)

And who was the little. That was your dog.

B (51:24)

That was jj.

A (51:25)

That was jj. He's no longer with us.

B (51:27)

No, he's always around.

A (51:29)

I know. That's right.

B (51:30)

Yeah. Yes. Yes.

A (51:31)

Okay, next clip. It's.

B (51:46)

Oh, yeah.

A (51:49)

Oh, my gosh, babe, you look so cute.

B (51:51)

Look at my babies. Look at the booze when they were babies.

A (51:56)

I mean, it's time. We're always waiting for it. What are we getting this year? What are you going to. How are you going to gag us?

B (52:01)

I'm figuring it out.

A (52:04)

I cannot wait.

B (52:05)

I am trying to get it, make it mesmerizing.

A (52:09)

Oh, well, I'm sure you'll do nothing bad. We're waiting with bated breath.

B (52:12)

Yeah.

A (52:13)

What's the next one, guys?

B (52:15)

So we got L, legendary for legendary.

A (52:19)

G, Gorgeous.

B (52:21)

My Blush, B, beautiful. All of you beautiful people. T, Tantalizing. And even Q for quality.

A (52:34)

I mean, I love this. When you went up there, did you already know you were gonna do this, or was that just what came to your mind?

B (52:40)

No, that was just me figuring out what I was gonna do.

A (52:42)

Oh, my gosh. And it's so funny when you say, like, you know, which I believe to be true, that you're shy, but then you have all of this charisma, and as soon as you get on stage, you just turn into everything and more.

B (52:55)

Thank you. You're welcome.

A (52:57)

It's really true. It's so amazing how your gift just shines through next one. Now, what was happening here?

B (53:04)

That was the subway. And I hadn't gone on the subway in a very, very, very long time. And we were coming from an event, and that's a Versace blue dress, and. Yeah.

A (53:17)

And you had to get what you were getting, so you just said, let me sit down real quick. On the subway.

B (53:21)

Yeah.

A (53:22)

Still fabulous. I love it. You smiling.

B (53:27)

Yeah.

A (53:28)

And those gloves. What a nice little touch.

B (53:31)

I think that had to do with somehow when my hand got hurt, but you don't want to hear that story. We'll tell it in private.

A (53:36)

That's exactly what we. That's exactly what we wanted to know. Okay, next one.

B (53:43)

Oh, that's an Aspen.

A (53:46)

You were an Aspen. I've never been there. I've always wanted to go.

B (53:48)

Oh, I love it. Go to Aspen this year. I'll be there.

A (53:50)

Oh, my gosh. It sounds so cool. I just hear stories about it. Like, what is the vibe in Aspen? Are we really snowboarding? Are we skiing?

B (53:59)

I mean, we could.

A (54:04)

And really, it's the. Like, the landscaping that. That's the vibe.

B (54:08)

Like, it's the mountains.

A (54:10)

Mountains. Are we eating good?

B (54:13)

We're eating amazingly. Really. What's your favorite food in Aspen? What's my favorite food?

A (54:20)

I feel like you probably have a chef. They could whip up anything.

B (54:22)

I do have a chef in Aspen, Period. See what I'm saying? So whatever you feeling. But I cook when I'm in Aspen. Cause it's for. In honor of my father, and he made linguine with white clam sauce, and it was so good. And he left me the recipe when he passed away.

A (54:40)

Oh, my gosh. Linguini with clam sauce.

B (54:43)

I'm not for everybody, but I love it.

A (54:46)

I feel like I need a little taste. Yes. I didn't even realize you cooked here.

B (54:53)

I am cooking. This is last week or something.

A (54:59)

And this is the one you have with Kehlani and Shinsia?

B (55:01)

Yes.

A (55:02)

Oh, my gosh. Love them both. And Shinsia, her new little track, that's Shake it to the Max. I love her. How was that doing that record with them?

B (55:11)

It was good. I mean, we're still trying to get all together in one place at the right time. I was with Kehlani. Was it last night? Yes, last night. And so we're all trying to come together and make it work, but. But we got him on the record.

A (55:26)

Got him on the record. We need a little video. For sure.

B (55:28)

We're making a little video.

A (55:30)

Yes. I can't wait. I'm gonna get nice and sleep okay, next one, guys.

B (55:36)

Mariah, is it true you don't acknowledge the passing of time? That is true. What do you mean by that? I just don't believe in it.

A (55:45)

What the.

B (55:46)

Do you mean time zones or. No, no, just time. Just time. If we were to meet up later, how would we know when it would just happen on Mariah's time? Yeah, I would have somebody call you and figure it out. That's fun stuff.

A (56:02)

I love somebody call you and figure it out. That means never. Oh, my gosh. I mean, we're laughing, we're joking, but there actually is something so superior and specific about no time. Like, I think actually time is being the curvature of time, having it all in your hands. That's how we all should be living. We should be. We're too focused on time. Cause really, what is 2 o', clock, 3 o', clock, 4 o', clock, 5.

B (56:24)

O', clock, 3 o' clock in the morning?

A (56:25)

You know?

B (56:26)

Yes.

A (56:27)

Who cares?

B (56:28)

Sometimes I wake up at. I guess it's what we call. People call 2 in the morning and think it's 2 in the afternoon and I'm still asleep.

A (56:39)

It is what it is. Is that all we have? Okay, so I just have to ask because, you know, as a person that gets memed. I be getting memed. How do you feel about your memes? Your current ones, the ones from years ago? Do you love them? Do you laugh? Do they take you back to a time? Like, what do you feel about the virality culture as it's continued to grow?

B (56:59)

I think it's going to continue and continue. And I don't mind the memes. Depending on what it is. Sometimes you see one you don't love. Well, sorry, that's what it is. And then sometimes I'll see ones that I'm like, oh, that was so fun.

A (57:16)

Aw, yeah. Cause they're taking those moments in time and it's so funny when they flip the context.

B (57:22)

Yes.

A (57:24)

Well, thank you so much, Mariah, for coming on the show. Seriously. I mean, it's been such a blast to talk with you and hang out with you and for you reminding me of the vision tape. I need to find that vision tape. It's so good.

B (57:37)

Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's been amazing talking with you and it's hard to find good people in the industry, so I'm glad we got to talk about that.

A (57:48)

Aw, me too.

B (57:49)

Thank you. Thank you for having me here.

A (57:51)

Thank you. And here for it all. We are here for it all. September 26th.

B (57:54)

Oh, yes.

A (57:56)

Period.

B (57:56)

Bye, darling.

A (58:02)

Let's be real. Mariah Carey's influence is beyond words. For more than 30 years, she's been the blueprint for artists, artists, creatives, and honestly for women, period. She gave voice to vulnerability and power. She made glamour look effortless and resilience looked divine. From penning some of the most iconic songs in pop history to redefining what it means to own your narrative, Mariah has done it all with the grace of a butterfly and confidence of a pop diva. So today, we're not just celebrating her catalog, we're celebrating her. The artist, the icon, the woman, the one and only Mariah Carey. I hope you guys enjoyed this one as much as I did. See you next time. Cause baby, this is Keke Palmer. Baby, this is. This is Kiki. Baby, this is Keke Palmer. Yeah, Baby, this is Keke Palmer is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Siegel is our post producer. Our producers are Lauren Hampton and Molly Nestor And Hilary Esty McLaughlin is our executive producer. Production services provided by Evolution Media. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Keke Palmer for Team Keke. My producer is Sharon Palmer for Wondery. Our managing producer is Olivia Fonti. Senior managing producer is Nick Ryan. And our executive producers are Emily Feldbrake, Erin O' Flaherty and Marshall Louie.

B (59:33)

On Boxing Day 2018, 20 year old Joy Morgan was last seen at her church, Israel United in Christ, or iuic. I just went on my Snapchat and I just see her face plastered everywhere. This is the missing sister, the true story of a woman betrayed by those she trusted most.

A (59:53)

IUIC is my family and like the.

B (59:56)

Best family that I've ever had. But IUIC isn't like most churches.

A (60:01)

This is a devilish cult.

B (60:02)

You know when you get that feeling like you just, I don't want to be here. I want to get out. It's like that feeling of like, I.

A (60:09)

Want to go hang out.

B (60:10)

I'm Charlie Brent coast cuff, and after years of investigating Joy's case, I need to know what really happened to Joy. Binge all episodes of the Missing Sister exclusively and ad free right now on Wondery plus. Start your free trial of Wondery plus on Spotify, Apple podcasts or in the Wondery app.

C (60:33)

It's your man, Nick Cannon, and I'm here to bring you my new podcast, Nick Cannon at Night. I've heard y' all been needing some advice in the love department. So who better to help than yours truly? Nah, I'm serious. Every week I'm bringing out some of my celebrity friends and the best experts in the business to answer your most intimate relationship questions. Having problems with your man? We got you catching feelings for your sneaky link. Let's make sure it's the real deal first. Ready to bring toys into the bedroom? Let's talk about it. Consider this a non judgment zone to ask your questions when it comes to sex and modern dating in relationships, friendships, situationships and everything in between. It's gonna be sexy, freaky, messy. And then you know what? You'll just have to watch the show. So don't be shy, join the conversation and head over to YouTube to watch Nick Cannon at night or subscribe on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast. Want to watch episodes early and ad free? Join Wondery plus right now.