Zoë Gregory Chats Book From Britain to Bunny, Detailing Her Life as a Former Playboy Bunny

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Ballast Book Launch – Zoë Gregory Chats "From Britain to Bunny"

Host: Ballast Media Group (Andy Symonds)
Guest: Zoë Gregory, former Playboy Bunny and author
Date: April 13, 2026

Episode Overview

In this candid and riveting episode, Ballast Books CEO Andy Symonds sits down with Zoë Gregory to discuss her memoir, "From Britain to Bunny." Zoë chronicles her astonishing journey from a tough childhood in London’s rough neighborhoods to international notoriety as a glamour model, and ultimately, life as a Playboy Bunny at the legendary Mansion. The conversation delves into her motivations, challenges, and the nuances of her relationships inside and outside the Mansion, complete with Zoë’s trademark bluntness and humor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Origin and Purpose of the Book

• Early Documentation:
  Zoë reveals the book was born from years of diary writing, originally not intended as a book but reflecting her keen observations and dreams from childhood.
  Quote: “I documented a lot of it in my diary... just writing a lot of things down—what I observed, how I felt, what’s going on. Even as a kid, my dreams.” (00:34)
• Desire for a Better Life:
  A teen pregnancy acted as a motivator, not a setback. Zoë explains she wanted more for her son than what England could offer at the time.
• Pursuing Childhood Dreams:
  Significant inspiration came from 'Baywatch' and Pamela Anderson, fueling her determination to reach America.

2. Childhood and Modeling in England

• Young Model and Tomboy:
  Zoë describes starting modeling at 6 or 7, being featured in TV commercials and catalogs—a path she actually disliked due to missing school and friends. Quote: "I hated it because it took me away from school... I just wanted to be with my friends." (05:28)
• Family Dynamics:
  Early modeling led to friction with her mother over finances and priorities.

3. Teenage Motherhood and Entry into Glamour Modeling

• Struggles as a Single Parent:
  Had her son at 17; father was largely absent (“The dad was in jail a lot, right?” (07:32)).
• Transition to Glamour Modeling:
  Lacking catwalk height, she turned to glamour modeling—a popular niche in England’s tabloids.
• Page 3 Breakthrough:
  Featured topless at age 18/19 in a major English tabloid (Page 3), which was pivotal for her career.
  Quote: “As soon as it happened... I’d entered an arena that there was no way back from... I was okay with that.” (09:54)
• Financial Savvy:
  She saved her modeling earnings and side hustles to fund her ticket to the US.

4. Making the Leap to America

• Strategic Relationships:
  Met an American rave promoter/producer, used the connection to arrange her move to the US.
• Model Agency Sponsorship:
  On her first trip to LA, she landed a modeling agency sponsorship, securing a three-year work visa within days.
  Quote: “Went into a model agency and said, you know, I’m looking for a sponsorship. Here’s some pictures. They loved me.” (14:18)

5. Introduction to Playboy

• Initial Reservations:
  Despite previous Playboy shoots in the UK (non-nude), Zoë saw the Playboy Mansion—and Hef—as “ew, gross,” at first. Quote: “All I had in my mind was, ew, Hef. He must be a pervert. He’s an old guy.” (16:28)
• First Encounter with Hugh Hefner:
  Attended a Mansion pool party, was stunned by the extravagance, met Hef for the first time.
  • Memorable Moment:
    “He pulls a pad out from his pocket with a pen. He says, 'Please write your number down. I’d like to invite you out next week.'” (17:00)
• Transition to Playboy Girlfriend:
  Quickly invited to join Hef’s 'party crew' (Wednesdays/Fridays out); made a strong first impression and was soon given 'drive on privileges.'

6. Life Inside the Playboy Mansion

• Daily Routine and Rules:
  Strict lifestyle—home by 9pm, limited dating (forbidden), weekly allowance of $1,000, and various perks (car, insurance, wardrobe budget).
  • Quote: “We got a thousand dollars a week for that allowance…but with that comes a new car, your insurance, your health insurance, your dental, your beauty, your wardrobe.” (35:04)
• Relationships with Other Bunnies:
  Details of house politics—jealousies, alliances, and the pivotal role of Tina Jordan in championing Zoë’s move-in.
• Relationship with Hef:
  Evolved from intellectual connection (bonding over the history of England) to trusted confidante and eventually “right hand man.”
  • “We had an intellectual bond at first…He respected me in a different way.” (26:19)
• Social Life & Afterparties:
  Describes clubbing with Hef, the rituals, and the infamous Mansion bedroom escapades.
  • “As soon as he starts feeling it, he’ll get up and he’ll start dancing. He dances and dances and dances the night away.” (23:53)

7. The Playboy Bedroom: Myths and Realities

• Addressing the Gossip:
  Explicitly discusses the notorious group activities, Hef’s preferences, and use of substances. Quote: “Hef was a great lover, even though he didn’t do any of the work in the bedroom…He loved his Viagra, you know, and we loved the Quaaludes.” (46:04, 46:07)
• Memorable Party Details:
  “All you could hear was, oh, yeah—whether it was real…” (47:25)

8. Leaving the Mansion

• Tensions and Farewell:
  Left the Mansion after four years due to conflicts with other girlfriends and a desire for new chapters.
  • Intimate moment:
    “He came in and sat on my floor…He held my hands, and he’s like, honey…if you guys carry on, you know you’re going to kill me…I think it’s time.” (37:49)
• Aftermath & Regrets:
  Regrets not protecting Hef longer, reflects fondly on their unique bond.
• Post-Mansion Relationship with Hef:
  Describes heartbreaking decline in Hef’s memory and their contact in later years.

9. Perspectives on Hef & Media Portrayals

• Defending Hef’s Legacy:
  Rebuts posthumous negative portrayals, noting everyone’s experience with Hef was different. Quote: “He’s my hero. What can I say? Every person that has a bad experience with him is the one that’s going to talk negative.” (41:04)
• Truth versus Tabloid:
  Denies witnessing any of the salacious behaviors alleged by others; emphasizes she felt safe enough to have her child in the house.

10. Post-Playboy Career and Personal Growth

• Diverse Pursuits:
  • TV appearances (e.g., regular on 'Two and a Half Men')
  • Personal training, nutrition advice, and fitness competitions
  • Luxury private jet flight attending, leveraging Mansion contacts
  • Venturing into peptide, beauty, and longevity wellness industries
• Notable Anecdotes:
  Charlie Sheen Parties:
  • Candidly describes the wildness of Sheen’s parties as “crazier than Hef’s…a notch up from Hef’s parties.” (50:38, 51:41)
  • “He’d be at the party…literally get up from doing the line and he’s…going to set—whacked out of his mind.” (50:58)
• Immigration Journey & Aspiration to Join ICE:
  • Discusses the challenges of attaining a green card and the motivation to become an ICE agent so she can help other women and children navigate immigration humanely.
  • Frustrated by those who “step all over” the legal process after her own hardships. (54:26)

11. Reflections on Writing the Book

• Honesty and Rawness:
  “My journey is so, like, raw. It has to be told raw. If I sugarcoat and don’t tell the crazy things about it, it doesn’t make it as exciting…” (45:11)
• Lost Manuscript Saga:
  • Book was nearly lost after a laptop theft but recovered via an old emailed draft (43:32).
• Audience Feedback:
  • Friends surprised by how much she went through, demand “more tea” (59:27), praising the memoir’s candid, unsanitized tone.

12. What’s Next for Zoë

• “ICE thing is hopefully going to happen very, very soon…the audiobook…a sequel book with even more ‘crazy situations’ post-Mansion.” (57:44, 58:10)
• Current Projects:
  • Peptide and longevity business
  • Project collaborations with former Mansion resident Tina Jordan
  • Hints at even wilder stories in a potential sequel

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Modeling Childhood:
  “I was a cute kid…But then, you know, I’d been working for years…Where’s all the money, mom?” (06:03)
• Balancing Grit and Dreaming:
  “All those tools that I was taught as a young kid…really applied to everything I did.” (04:21)
• Page 3 Breakthrough:
  “Overnight I became a success over there.” (08:34)
• Moving to the US:
  “I was so determined to get something going…sent my bikini pictures to a model agency. And just like that, took off.” (07:18)
• First Mansion Encounter:
  “Pulled a pad out…‘Please write your number down.’” (17:00)
• Hef’s Leadership:
  “He’s such a don…as soon as he starts feeling it, he’ll get up and he’ll start dancing.” (23:53)
• On Mansion Rules:
  “We had to be home at 9. We couldn’t be out every night…couldn’t really be out seen with guys.” (30:10)
• Departure Conversation:
  “He sat on my floor and patted the floor and said, ‘Sit down’…he held my hands and said, ‘If you guys carry on, you’re going to kill me.’” (37:49)
• About Negative Portrayals:
  "He had different relationships with every single one of us...People that didn’t have good experiences...were probably not treated as well." (41:16)
• On Immigration and ICE:
  “I want to be there for the women and the children to know that they go through it smoothly…Because I did it the right way…” (54:26, 56:14)
• Book Honesty:
  “If I could have put everything in the book, I would have. But legally I really couldn’t go to that extent. But I can save some tea for podcasts, you know.” (25:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Zoë’s Motivation for the Book: 00:34 – 04:17
• Modeling Childhood: 05:18 – 07:03
• Page 3 and Glamour Modeling: 08:34 – 09:54
• Going to America: 11:20 – 14:43
• Playboy Mansion Entry: 15:29 – 19:37
• Mansion Life and Clubbing: 22:08 – 24:33
• Mansion Rules and Jealousy: 29:06 – 31:12
• Green Card & Immigration: 31:50 – 33:43
• Leaving the Mansion: 33:52 – 39:11
• Life After Mansion & Charlie Sheen Parties: 48:07 – 53:33
• Immigration and ICE Ambition: 54:05 – 56:43
• Book Process and Sequel Hints: 57:44 – 59:47

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Final Thoughts

Zoë Gregory’s “From Britain to Bunny” and this interview offer an unflinching look at the grit, heartbreak, humor, and ruthlessness required to transform extraordinary circumstances into the fulfillment of a dream. Her story is both an unvarnished memoir and a testament to persistence, rebirth, and never taking no for an answer—a lesson she hopes to pass on to other ambitious young women.

For more: Find "From Britain to Bunny" wherever books are sold, and stay tuned for a potential sequel and more candid, wild stories from Zoë’s remarkable life.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

Book launch. Zoe Gregory, author of Britain From Britain to Bunny. Very happy to have you in studio today. Welcome.

[A]

Good to be here.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Your book is a really fun book. Great story, you know, really well written too. I want to, I want to tell you that it's just really, it's so to the point and blunt and that seems to be the way that you are. What. Tell us a little bit about your book and why you decided to write From Britain to Bunny.

[A]

Okay. So by the way, that book was made from a lot of notes and like diary things that I had written. It wasn't necessarily written as I wanted to make it a book, but it just took a lot of chapters of my life and, and journey from my childhood. I feel like I had a pretty colorful childhood and I documented a lot of it in my diary and I went from one extreme to another. But you know, being a kiddie model, I grew up all in like the fashion industry, how you look, looking your best. But I was at school being teased by kids as well because they'd seen me on TV as a, as a, a young kid. But yeah, it was just one extreme to another. I had a great childhood with my family in London. In London, yeah. Yeah, I remember just, you know, writing a lot of things down of what I observed, how I felt, what's going on. Yeah, even as a kid, my dreams and I always had a dream of living in America. Not that I knew much about it, but during my teens, Baywatch was on. So Baywatch like kind of stole my heart back then. And the next Pamela Anderson. Yeah, I was like, that's it, I'm going there, I'm doing that. That's what I want to be. So that kind of drift drove me to, you know, stick to the vision and you know, accomplish that. But you know, I got pregnant really young and I thought, shit, it, it's kind of put the brakes on all the things I wanted to do and go to America and this, that and the other. But in actual fact, it kind of did the opposite for me. It kicked me into gear and made me realize that I didn't want my child to grow up in England where I grew up, because it became, it become very poverty stricken.

[B]

Yeah, you grew up in a rough, a rough, rough neighborhood. Rough part, right. A lot of, a lot of crime, a lot of. Within your, your peer group.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I grew up as a tomboy as well because it was mostly boys around the way. So I was one of the boys. But yeah, I just never wanted my Child to grow up like that. So it kind of pushed me even more to do the most to get out of England and try and give him a better life and still live the dream that I wanted to. But the funny thing is, it's like as far as I can remember, I remember just like stone stepping, stones falling in my path, like giving me a link to the next thing that was supposed to happen. It's really weird. You know how they say, oh, things just fall in my path and it's just like destiny and it's meant to be. This kept happening to me as a, as a kid, you know, now.

[B]

So I, I agree. But having read, know your story and read your book, obviously, don't you think you had something to do with that? With hard work, with vision, with. Again, you know, we started this. You, you, from what I know, you're the type of person that doesn't just let things happen, you make things happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So is it a function of you putting those things in your path?

[A]

Yeah, I think, you know, I was very, I was a very mature for my age at a young age. And I gotta thank a lot of people that I grew up with and a generation older than I was when I grew up with them because they taught me they were very wise. Even though a lot of them were criminals, they still taught me a lot of good strategic ways how to think, how to manipulate, how to stand by your word, how to take no disrespect. Like all those tools that I was taught as a young kid, that really applied to everything I did. Yeah. As I would never give up. I don't take no for an answer. And like, I am very persistent when it comes to what I want. Yeah, yeah. So that helped me a lot.

[B]

And so you already mentioned that you were in the fashion industry. So you're like 6 or 7. When your mom submitted your photos to model, what was that like being a, being a young model?

[A]

I hated it because it took me away from school and I just wanted to be with my friends and be at school and be enjoying myself. But you know, my mum used. I was a cute kid and so she would, she submitted my photos. They loved me. So she was always taking me out of school to go on to these modeling auditions. You know, I booked quite a few commercials for TV and then I was in a catalog regularly modeling clothes. And even though it was great, like at that point in time, I hated her taking me out of school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, seven, eight. I just wanted to be with my friends. But then you Know, I'd been working for years, and I. I got to, like, that age where I was, like, being a little spicy. I was like, where's all the money that I've been working for, Mom? Where is it? Because I never see it. Well, I buy you. I buy your clothes, I buy your. Your school things, and da, da, da, da. Me and my mom started to butt heads after style, and I think it was just because I didn't want to leave school anymore. I just wanted to stay in school and be my friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But that's where all that I ended up saying, so I don't want to do this anymore.

[B]

How old were you finally said?

[A]

I think it was like, eight, nine. I'd done it a few years, but, yeah, I just. I just got pissed off with it. You know, if I'm not seeing the money in my hand, you know, our kids are just. I was being a brat. But, yeah, I had experienced it, but that ultimately it was always in my life, and I knew if I wanted to go back into it, I could.

[B]

Yeah. So you obviously did go back into. I know we're jumping ahead, but yeah. How did you. How and when did you get back into it?

[A]

So this was when I. I had the baby and.

[B]

And you were how old?

[A]

I was. Just turned 17.

[B]

Just turned 17 when you had.

[A]

And I had the baby. And I was like, man, I'm on welfare. I'm a single parent. How am I gonna.

[B]

The dad was in jail a lot, right?

[A]

Yeah, I was. I couldn't stand him. He wasn't helping me, and I was just like, what am I gonna do? How am I gonna do this? So, yeah, I didn't end up being 5 foot 9, and I couldn't take the catwalk by storm. So the only other option in England was to become a glamour model. And a glamour model is a sexy model. Someone that's in lingerie or swimsuits, clothed, but just sexy. Yeah. The great thing is, is in England, the tabloid newspapers usually feature sexy girls daily. So there was a lot of work for the glamour model in England back in the day. So I thought, you know, I'm going to send my bikini pictures to and a model agency. And just like that, I took it, Took it, took off. Once again, how old I was? I think I was like, 18 now. 19.

[B]

So a couple of years after the birth year.

[A]

Yeah. Even though I wasn't confident with my body and I was still young to get my body back, you know, I had. I hadn't even developed my breast probably when I had my child, so my body was all like out of whack. But, you know, I just, I was so determined to get something going. Anyway, so I got a call and I was featured on, in page three, which is in the tabloid newspaper, on the third page is a topless girl with a cheesy smile. But in England, that's a really big deal. It's like being a Playboy playmate in America. So in England, you know, there's a large viewing of that tabloid newspaper, so a lot of people saw my face and just overnight I became a success over there.

[B]

Did you have any reservations about doing it topless?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What was it?

[A]

I knew my mom was going to kill me, my dad was going to be embarrassed. You know, I knew I was going to upset a lot of people. But at the time I was like, fuck this. I got to do what is best for me now and my child. Yeah. So.

[B]

So what was it like? The, Was it a switch went off as soon as that, that edition came out?

[A]

Yeah, as soon as it happened, I knew that I just, I'd entered an arena that there was no way back from, you know, because now I've humiliated the family and, you know, I've opened a can of worms that's like, that's. Now I'm going to be labeled as, you know, a glamour model. I was okay with that. I was fine with that.

[B]

So what'd you do with it next?

[A]

I started making a lot of money. I was working non stop, non stop. So my parents would have my child and babysit. But yeah, I went on to do a lot of commercials. I went, I was always featured in the newspaper. I worked non stop. And I tell you what, I was, I was still on welfare, which is income support, so I was still getting money from there and I saved every single penny. I saved and saved and saved until, you know, I had, I had a nice stash and my parents didn't know. But yeah, secretly I was stashing. I was stashing a lot of money. And even though I had some bad habits still that you can read about in my book, how bad habits, not meaning taking drugs, but the things that I was wheeling and dealing in, I still did those things too on the side because I was just so determined to.

[B]

Yeah, and you are honest about it in the book. And again, yeah, we won't give it all away, but there's. Yeah, there are a lot of details in there.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah, I, it, it worked. It worked.

[B]

And what were you saving for the ticket?

[A]

The one Way out.

[B]

The one way to the United States.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah, it was. It was fun.

[B]

And so how that finally had that finally come up, come about getting to the US So.

[A]

So going back to, like, the stepping stones that things fall in your path. Once I'd broken up from the father of the child, I started going out again. I was celebrating, you know, being back in the public eye and, you know, my little found fame of being in the newspaper again. And I was like, you know, I want to go to America, but going on my own is a big deal. Anyway, going back to the rave scene, I used to love raving. So I started going raven again. And, you know, I met one of these producers that put on raves, and it just so happened that, you know, he had a business in America, and I was like, ding, that's it. I'm gonna make him my best friend, because blah, blah, blah.

[B]

Yeah. What was his business?

[A]

He used to put on raves. He also had a few hits. He produced music as well, so he was well known. But I was more latched on to his connection with America. So I thought. Let me think. How can I scratch his back and he can scratch mine? So there goes my brain again, wheeling and dealing. But, yeah, we. We became really good friends, which we ended up dating after a while. But we figured out a way that we could do it together, and that's how that happened. So we did. Even though I don't believe that I was in love with the guy, I was in love with the idea. The idea of just getting to America. So it felt good. Yeah. Yeah. So he was like somebody to hold my hand, maybe a little bit of protection, because I guess previously in his life, he used to be a police officer. So that made me feel a little more content and confident with that situation. Yeah, exactly. So that was great. So I was talking to him and telling him how, you know, that was my dream, and I think we should do it together. And if, you know, I got sponsored out there, I could then, you know, he would get a visa through me kind of thing.

[B]

So you needed to get a visa?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. What was that process like?

[A]

Easy. I went into the first model agency in. In Los Angeles. The second day after landing there for a vacation, went into a model agency and said, you know, I'm looking for a sponsorship. Here's some pictures. They loved me. Teresa and Jason Otto. Otto models. It was. They sponsored me instantly on the day.

[B]

So work. So to get a work.

[A]

Yeah, I think it was, yeah, work visa. So that gave me three years so we got. I got sponsored, filed the paperwork with a lawyer, which he paid for. I made him pay for it. And that's how that happened.

[B]

Yeah. So now suddenly you're in a new place and. New.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And did your son come with you?

[A]

Not. Not for the first vacation. That was kind of like a business thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the second time we went back. Yeah, I bought him with me and he just fell in love. We stayed. We lived in a hotel for a while, but, yeah, that's how that happened. So I was just sitting there waiting for what's the next stone that's going to fall in my path to give me that next door that opens, you

[B]

know, what was it? What was that next?

[A]

So it was. I remember speaking to my agent back at home, and she's like, you know, you shot with Byron Newman, who was a. A Playboy photographer. You know, do you want me to get here, get in touch with him and kind of connect you with a photographers and Playboy over there? And I was like, oh, I don't know.

[B]

She's like, so what were, what kind of shoots were you doing now? What kind of modeling were you like?

[A]

Lingerie? Yeah. Bikini, Glamour modeling.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I had shot for Playboy editions back at home, which is the lingerie stuff. No, nude. So I had already kind of got my name in the Playboy book. But I didn't look at Playboy like it was a big thing. And all I had in my mind was, ew, Half. He's like, he must be a pervert. He's an old guy. You know, I had this impression in

[B]

my mind before I ever met him. That was your impression?

[A]

So I was like, ew, gross. No, I'm not interested. I don't want to be around an old guy that's got, like, naked women in his magazine. She's like, I. I think that would not be a good decision. I think you should go up there or let. At least let me get you in touch with them. And I was like, you're gross. Okay, fine. So she did. And I was then invited to a Playboy pool party on Sunday, which I

[B]

went at the Mansion.

[A]

At the mansion. And the guy that I was with at the time was like, go, go. He was so supportive.

[B]

And this is the guy that came over with me.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. He was like, go, go. Yeah, it's your dream. Go. Then I was like, okay. So I went. And I was there for literally 15 minutes in my bikini, laying on the beds, and I'm staring at Hef, and I'm like, oh, this is so weird. And gross. But, like, all these things are going through my mind, but this house. Oh, my God, look at the animals. Look at these women. They're so gorgeous. Wow. Look at the house. That could be my room. You know, going from one extreme to another. And then he gets up. I see him getting up, and I'm like, no, please don't come over here. And he's. He starts walking over, and I'm like, oh, my God. My heart's beating. Like, I start fidgeting. He's walking over, and he's like. And I'm sitting there, and he. I know he's coming over. He's coming over. He sits on my bed on the end of the. The sunbed that I'm sitting on. And my heart is beating. Like, my mouth gets dry, and I'm like, oh, my God. He's like, oh, hello there. I was like, oh, hello. And he's like, I'm. I'm Hugh. Nice to meet you. And I'm like, oh, hi. I'm Zoe. Nice to meet you too. And he's like, so then he asked me about myself. What am I doing? And I refreshed him that my agent said that it would be a good idea that I come meet you. I've shot for the magazine, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, oh, yeah. He pulls a pad out from his pocket with a pen. He says, please write your number down. I'd like to invite you out next week. Okay. So I did, and I gave it back to him. And he said, enjoy yourself, honey. And he rubbed my knee, and I was like, don't touch me. Oh, this is weird. So he. And then he got up, he went back.

[B]

He didn't.

[A]

And I was sitting there like, oh, what just happened? But this is it. This is it. Go with it, Zoe. Don't get weirded out. Just go with it. This is it. You could have that. That's gonna be your room. Look at these. An. You know, I was like. I was really overwhelmed, but at the same time, I was like, this is what I've been working for. Yeah.

[B]

Knew that was an opportunity.

[A]

Yeah, this is it. So that was lovely. That was a lovely day. I remember that. So colorful and so lovely and so beautiful. And I jumped on the trampoline that day, and I was just like, wow, this is it. This is. This is going to be my life. Yeah, it was great.

[B]

So you had a good time at the party, too? Stayed for a while.

[A]

Yeah. I ordered food. I had butlers. And I was just, like, in awe. I Was like, this. People live like this, or he does. And a few of the women there, and I was like, I could get used to this.

[B]

How the women treat you that day.

[A]

You know what? I. Of course, some were like, who's that? Who's that new face?

[B]

Yeah. And then, sure, they're territorial, right?

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

New face threatens them.

[A]

Who's that new face? And then others were like, hi, is this your first time? Oh, welcome. Have fun. And I wanted to inquire, you know, I wanted to be nosy, but at the same time, I didn't want to, like, step on anyone's toes. I was just in such awe that I was like, I'm gonna come back next week.

[B]

Did they give you any advice or warnings or anything?

[A]

No, no, no, not at all. I just saw. I don't know. I don't look like them. They looked like some beautiful, beautiful Pam Anderson women. And I was still kind of. I hadn't developed that look yet. Even though I was doing, you know, sexy modeling. I didn't develop my sex appeal until. Until late because I think because I was a tomboy being young, I still had, like, those tomboy ways.

[B]

Maybe that's what half liked.

[A]

And so, yeah, it was until Playboy that I started to develop my. My. My sexiness and my sexuality and all that.

[B]

But, yeah, but he obviously saw something in you, so he took down your number, you had a great time, and then left. What happened next?

[A]

So I started going out with them regularly on.

[B]

So they. How soon after you left? That. That Sunday.

[A]

The next week.

[B]

The next week they called you said,

[A]

yeah, the next week.

[B]

Come on out with us.

[A]

Yeah, come on out. We go out on Fridays.

[B]

And everything was very regimented with Hef.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In the Mansion, right?

[A]

We go out on Wednesdays and Fridays and, you know, we have a party crew, and we want you to be a part of that party crew. And I was like, wow, okay, so Wednesday is going to be like, my first night out. So I guess it's going to be a trial. I really have to, like, put out, meaning be fun and, you know, be, you know, someone that's going to be fun for the group. So I did like, oh, my God. I doled myself up to the nines and I was like, I need to look like those girls.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I just pushed my tits up. I got my hair did and everything. And then I really. I made a good impression. I know I did.

[B]

Obviously.

[A]

I know I did.

[B]

So did you get picked up? How the logistics work?

[A]

So they said, drive up to the mansion. You have drive on privileges. The valet will take your car and it will remain on the premises. So I was like, okay, we can order you a limo if you want. And I was like, no, I don't ever want to be without my car. I don't feel safe, you know. So I was like, no, it's fine. I'll drive. But they offered the limo. But anyway, yes, drive, drove up, and then, yeah, we would get escorted in the limo with Hef to wherever we would go. That was. That was like a big deal in itself because it was all for the show. You know, there would always be paparazzi there. Getting in the limo, getting out the limo. Pictures were always taken of every move we made, you know, every club we went to. It always be the red rope, you know, the walking in the paparazzi, taking the pictures, you know, the pictures at the table and then the red rope. No one could really come and say hello to you, but it was. People would stand there and just watch us, you know, dance and dance with

[B]

Hef and so be dinner clubs.

[A]

Yeah, sometimes we go to dinner, but most of the times we would go to clubs Wednesdays and Fridays, and then go back to the house for champagne and strawberries and Jacuzzi and whatnot.

[B]

And so at the club, what was Hef like at the club? What did he. Was he. I mean, was he drinking? Were you guys drinking? Was he just cutting loose?

[A]

He's such a don. He's like. He'll have his drink, you know, and he'll. He'll take his Quaalude and whatever, and. And he'll just be like, as soon as he starts feeling it, he'll get up and he'll start dancing. He dances and dances and dances the night away. Like, I. I really grew to love the guy from having such a stale opinion, just really getting to know him on a different level. Like, I. I just adored him the way he just lived his life. Loved. Loved his life and surrounded by such beautiful women. Yeah, we always, always had a good time. Yeah, always.

[B]

Yeah, always. And so at the club, dancing, how late? You know, you'd stay out all night and then go. You'd go back to the mansion.

[A]

Yeah, we'd stay till around 12:31. Oh, yeah. Would. Would drive back, get back there at 2 and. Yeah. Then would continue the party in. In Hef's big bedroom.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't know how much you want to go into the big. The parties in the big bedroom after you'd go. You do go in Detail in the book. So again, another reason for Britain to. Bunny.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I. Listen, I got so much tea that if I could have, if I could have put everything in the book, I would have. But legally I really couldn't go to that extent. But yeah, I can save some tea for podcasts, you know. Yeah. But yeah, we had a very good time in the bedroom. All of us did. And the more girls that we brought home from the clubs, the better.

[B]

So you, you'd meet girls at the clubs and then they would, they would come home with you guys? Yeah. And how many were you going out? How many girls?

[A]

Seven.

[B]

Seven.

[A]

Seven of his girlfriends.

[B]

Seven of his girlfriends.

[A]

And there'd be some girls.

[B]

Seven.

[A]

The same seven. And then there'd be some girls staying at the mansion that were either shooting for the magazine or doing something for Playboy, so they would tag along too. But yeah, there'd always be, you know, if he saw somebody in the crowd that he liked, he would say to me, you know, why don't you go get her number? I'd be like, okay. I'd be like, even better. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have her come back with us. So, you know, I used all those tactics to make him fall in love with me and realize that I'm a good asset to him and, you know.

[B]

So what was your relationship like with him?

[A]

I had such a great relationship with him. I think we had an intellectual bond at first. And then once he knew I wasn't like a dumb, silly girl over what,

[B]

what type of topics that he did he enjoy, what, what type of things

[A]

we would talk about, like things. His history.

[B]

He was a history buff.

[A]

Yeah, he was a history buffer. But he loved England. He loved England. So we, that's where we bonded about, you know, the history of England and just, he knew that, like I was mature for my age and I had a different mentality as opposed to some of the other girls that lived there. There. We would conversate a lot. So I think he respected me in a different way. To some of the other girls he knew, I was reliable as well, and I was a woman of my word. And I did things beyond what he asked for as well. I always stepped up the game. So I became like, he's a right hand man as well as somebody that he was attracted.

[B]

So you moved in?

[A]

Yeah, moved in.

[B]

How soon after that first, you know, after that Sunday pool party, how soon after did you move in?

[A]

I think, I think it was not even two months.

[B]

Not even two months. So going out Every Wednesday and Friday.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you guys just had such a good relationship that he invited. What was that like when he invited you to move in? What did he say? How'd that. How'd that work?

[A]

It was me and the girls were talking about it, and one of. One of the main girls was going to leave, which was his number one girlfriend at the time. She wanted to leave, and because she had a young child, she wanted to leave and go spend time with her child more. And she had said to me, I'm gonna leave, and I think it would be a good idea if you moved in and took my position. And I. I had already told myself that I wasn't in a position to be his number one girlfriend because it took a lot to be that girl. So I said to her, oh, my God, I adore that you think that I'm worthy of being his number one girl, but I can't take that position. But ultimately, she pushed it to Hef that I would be somebody good for him and to have in the house permanently. Tina Jordan was her name. So she pushed the idea to him. And I kind of think it was coming anyway because we was. We'd become so close, but ultimately, yeah, that's. That's who pushed me to kind of do it. Yeah. Was Tina.

[B]

And was there any jealousy, though, with the other girls that, hey, you kind of were one of the newer girls. Right. But you. Yeah, quickly, it sounds like, stepped in front of.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, at first, because we don't know each other, we didn't really dislike each other, but we were wary, you know, always, like, side eyeing. But we. If Hef saw that there was girls being bitchy and. And stuff, it would jeopardize the position of us as a group. So nobody really wanted to be that girl. That was like a. But as time went on, when Tina left, she was such a force in there that no one really messed about with her.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

When she left, it felt like the backbone of the group had gone. So girls would find Stu finding a way to kind of, like, step in and try and be top dog or whatever.

[B]

And he had. Hef had rules. Right. And girls kind of rat out other girls, try to get them in trouble for breaking the rules. Some of the. Were some of the rules of the girls that lived at the mansion.

[A]

Yeah. So we. I mean, we had to be home at 9. We couldn't be every night.

[B]

Even if every. Even if you weren't with him.

[A]

Even if we weren't with him, like, every night.

[B]

So you could leave Though. To see your, to see your son?

[A]

Yeah, I'd be gone all day with my boy, with my son, pick him up from school and. But I had to be home by nine. Okay. But I did get one day off a week on Sundays to be with my son all day and all night. But yeah, you can't be late and you, you can't really be out scene with guys.

[B]

Were you allowed to date at all or is that even a rule?

[A]

No. Okay. But I think some of the girls did.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I was with the other guy during this time, so I wasn't supposed to either. But nobody knew anything for a while. Quite a while. And the only way they'd find out is if it came from me, obviously.

[B]

Right. He didn't do anything like have, have girls followed home or.

[A]

Apparently yes, he did previously, but nothing that I was aware of while I was there.

[B]

He didn't do anything. Nothing like that?

[A]

No. The rumor was that yeah, he will have someone follow you and watch you, but I think that was just a scare tactic. Can't scare me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But you know, I, I knew that I was such an asset to him that even if he did find out about that situation at the time that he would understand the, the situation of it. It wasn't somebody I was in love with, it was somebody I was in an agreement with, more so. And he wouldn't have got me my green card if he was threatened by that situation either, you know.

[B]

So he ended up getting you your green card. Yeah. You went through quite a process to get, to get citizenship to this country.

[A]

I really did. And I, I got deported. I got sent back to England while I was waiting for the visa. I was, I got caught working. Oh my God. So much happened of a roller coaster. All the good things came with the highest bad things too, you know, because. Yeah, I made a couple of bad decisions, but that was only because the visa was delayed and I needed to make money. So I did get caught working.

[B]

So you're supposed to just be on a. What? Your work. Your three year work while we're waiting

[A]

for the, the visa to come.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

We were there like just kind of coasting on savings, but I took a job in Guatemala and then got caught on the way back and questioned. Blah, blah.

[B]

I think that that story is in the book, right? Where they asked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you unfortunately answered truthfully that you've been working and that's. That's all it took.

[A]

Oh God. Yeah. So that happened. And.

[B]

But he, he helped, he helped you get your green girl with all these. So, I mean, I was gonna, you know, I'll ask how. Obviously, when you have power and money, it's a lot easier. So what, he paid for lawyers and he got it.

[A]

Paid for the lawyer. Oh, my God. When I saw the bill. But, yeah, he had the resources, he had the people to write the recommendation letters for me, and amazing people that did do that for me. And I'm so grateful to this day that I got such powerful people on my behalf. And Hef to give me recommendation letters, which, yeah, got me my green card in probably, like, I think, four months. Yeah.

[B]

Is that fast?

[A]

Yeah, that sounds really fast.

[B]

Sounds fast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that happened. I was like, wow. Like, it's just. I was on top of the world. Yeah, I really was. Best. Best things that could ever happen.

[B]

So you love living there. How long did you live at the mansion?

[A]

Close to four years.

[B]

Four years. Wow.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I would have lived there a lot longer if I didn't butt heads with the girls. I was. I became so protective of Hef. I really did. And I didn't like the fact that I was going to have to leave and leave him with those type of characters that were. That remains in the house with him, the other girls. But now I look back, I regret leaving. I should have protected him more, you know, I should have stayed and I should have just fought to stay in that position.

[B]

So are the. Is this the time frame? Are we getting close to, like, where the. The show and the Holly.

[A]

Yeah, when I. Yeah, as soon as I left. Yeah. Well, me and Sheila, in fact, presented an idea to have Sheila. Sheila was one of the girlfriends who I introduced to half who ended up moving into one of my best friends. Sheila and I went to Hef one day and said, you know, we should probably do a reality show or something, don't you think? You know, be great. We sat on his bed that day collecting our money, our allowance, and we. We presented him with the idea.

[B]

How much was the allowance? Did it increase as you stayed there longer?

[A]

No, we got a thousand dollars a week for that allowance. But with that comes a new car, your insurance, your health insurance, your dental, your beauty, your wardrobe. Beauty, Sal. Everything. So we make. We made sure we milked it. But yeah, would get 2, 000 for a wardrobe for a party. Wardrobe allowance for a party, which I never spent because I was a model and I worked for model. I worked for fashion companies in la. I got all my stuff for free, so I can't.

[B]

So you could just pocket the. Yeah, the Money he gave you.

[A]

Yeah. But then one of them.

[B]

So it was your idea, though, for the. For the reality show? You. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And he's like. He's like, yeah, let me. Let me talk to Mary, and let's. Well, think about it. But, yeah. Little did I know that in due time, I was gonna leave, and that idea kind of happened without me. Us, the real good personalities of the Mansion, you know, it ended up being of those girls, the ones I just really didn't get along with.

[B]

So they were there. The three main ones in the show. They were there when you were there.

[A]

I moved out, and then Kendra moved in. Kendra took my spot, my room, and that's how that happened.

[B]

So what. What did you think? What was your relationship with Hef once you left, and what did you think about when you saw the show?

[A]

My relationship with Hef when I left was because me and one of the girls, Holly was. Would butt heads so much at the time that he was getting a little kind of stressed out with the.

[B]

Holly ended up being the number one. Right. Yeah. Ye.

[A]

Hardly hadn't spoke in quite a while. I'm gonna say close to six months. And, you know, that you could feel the tension in the air. And even though we had to do our Wednesdays and Fridays, we'd make it work, but it just got so, like, stale in the house. Like, you could feel the tension. And he was just like, I can't take it no more. You know, something's. And I was like, no, it's fine. You know, let me.

[B]

Because otherwise was four years a long time for a girl to be there. Yeah, seems like it.

[A]

Yeah. I would have stayed longer, but. Yeah. No, it was. It was time. I was feeling it, too. Like, I was ready to move on to new things, and I just bought a condo as well. And I hadn't. Nobody knew, so it was kind of like my balls were rolling. Like, it was time to get out of there and start on my condo. And, you know, I got my green card. Yeah. So, yeah, I was sad, man. He sat on my floor. He sat on my. When he. The day came to tell me, he sat on my. He opened the door. I knew. I can tell by his knock. And my heart sank. And I just knew by the knock, I knew what was coming. And he came in and sat on my floor. When he sits on the floor, it's. It's serious. And he sat on my floor and he patted the floor and said, sit down. And I was like, oh, my God. I got a lump in my throat. And I sat down, and he's like. And he held my hands, and he's like, honey. And he couldn't even look at me in the face. He's like, honey, he was just looking at the floor, and he's like, you know, if you guys carry on, you know you're gonna kill me. And I was just like, oh, God. And that was it. I was just like, this is it. And I was like, I know. I know. And I'm sorry it's come to this. And he's like, I think it's time. And I was like, yeah, I think it's time. And we both just sat there and, like, cried. And I was horrible. And, yeah, we sobbed. And then he's like, just take your time. Take your time. There's no rush. Do you see what you got to do? But, you know I love you, and, you know, it's. I guess it's goodbyes. Oh, my God. And I was just, like, heartbroken. But it was. It was a good and a bad thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, never wanted to leave him, but it was time for my next chapter.

[B]

Was there any relationship with him after that?

[A]

Yeah, I would call him. I called a couple times, you know, to check on him, and, you know, everything was fine. Then it started to. He. He started to get health issues, and you had to keep reminding him on the phone who you are. And you have to keep talking about scenarios to remind him because, you know, a lot of girls call him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I had to keep reminding him of who Zoe was, even though my accent. I'd have to talk about things that he remembers.

[B]

Four years with him.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So I could tell that he was either. I don't know if it was dementia or something was going on where he was just not remembering a lot. And it wasn't just with me. It was, like, a lot of girls that would speak to him over the phone. So, you know, that really started to hurt every time I called, that he was. I could hear him suffering, so I kind of cut back on the calls because it was just painful to do. Painful to hear him like that.

[B]

Did you ever see him?

[A]

Yeah, I'd see him. Yeah. I went to quite a few parties after I'd moved out. Yeah, I'd go to some of the parties up there. I'd make sure he's seen me, you know, But I didn't, you know, go in front of anybody or make anyone feel uncomfortable. But, yeah, I always acknowledged him. He acknowledged me, and that was that. Yeah. But wow.

[B]

Yeah. That mean four Years. That does seem like a long time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, since then, I know a lot of the. A lot of the girlfriends have had a lot of not nice things to say about him. He's kind of. After his death, he's been dragged through the muck a lot. But everything I see from you and have heard from you, you always. You only have nice things to say about Hugh Hefner.

[A]

He's my hero. What can I say? Look, you know, every person that has a bad experience with him is the one that's going to talk negative.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. The people that have had great experiences with him will always talk positively about him. He had different relationships with every single one of us girls that lived with him. Every single relationship was. He never had an equal relationship with any of us. So some of the girls got treated better than others. Some will never know about some of the things that have did for them or I. You know, there are some things that. Some bonds that are just different. So the people that didn't have good experiences in that group were probably not treated as well as some of the other girls that were, you know, and that shows. That shows in a lot of. A lot. Especially now he's gone. It's. It's amazing to me how many of them have come out the woodwork just talking and whether it's to stay relevant, whether it's to get your, you know, your $20 for an interview, whether it's just to get some publicity for a fake story. I don't know, but I know.

[B]

Did you see any of it? Anything like the stuff they accuse him

[A]

of, all these rumors, all the things that they say about him? No, never. Did I witness. I would never be in a situation like that and. And have my son around the house and. And around bad things like that? No, never. So none of that was true? None of that stuff is true? Absolutely not.

[B]

It is interesting how when, you know, I don't remember a whole lot of negative publicity about him when he was. When he was alive, but it kind of seems like once one, you know, he's not there to defend himself anymore. And once one person comes out, obviously. Yeah, you know, far be it for me to say whether what anybody's experience was.

[A]

I'm. I'm just sad that I didn't launch the book while he was still alive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was only because when I had my house robbed, my laptop was stolen. This is in the other. This is in another book later down the road. I. I had. Yeah, my laptop was stolen and the book was on the laptop, it was gone.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, pretty much. And as I was halfway through redoing it, I contacted Google for an old email that. I know I emailed that book to myself, but I didn't have that email account anymore. It took Google like seven months to get back to me to give me my account back. And there it was. It was in my email.

[B]

That's a. That's a great plan. I've done that myself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, especially it's not now much more saved in the cloud. But that's great that you did that. That must have been such a relief.

[A]

Oh, such a relief. I was heartbroken thinking how am I going to get my journey across as well, like the journey that I had. I feel like girls from England or from wherever, a young age that aspire to move to a different country and have a dream to do what I did, especially having a child as well and like not coming from a silver spoon fed family. I just wanted to show that you can do it. It's possible, it can be done. Even though I had a roller coaster of a ride, it's possible, it's achievable. And I wanted to share it.

[B]

I think you did a really nice job again with the writing of it with. It's just so brutally honest, upfront honest. You're not, you don't. You're not trying to sugarcoat anything good, the bad and the ugly. And that's what I really appreciated about the book. That seems to be your personality too. So I don't know how intentional that was on writing, but what was your process for writing and was it, you know, cathartic? Was it. What did writing the book do for you?

[A]

I just feel like, you know, being my journey is so, like, raw. It has to be told raw. If I sugarcoat and don't tell the crazy things about it, it doesn't make it as exciting or as extreme. So I have to. I have to incriminate myself in. In. To make it what it. The truth of real. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I have to be honest with. That's what I did. Am I embarrassed now? No, I'm not. Because it gave me the dream that I'm still living today. Yeah, great.

[B]

Well, you said there was some tea that wasn't in. I know there's a lot of tea in the book. What, what, what's some of the tea? What was it like? I mean, how much detail can you go into? Some things about, like in the bedroom with Hef. What Was.

[A]

Well, let me tell you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hef was a great lover, even though he didn't do any of the work in the bedroom, you know, So I can't necessarily, necessarily say, was he good in bed? I don't know. I was good in bed because I did all the work, you know, But Hef loved his Viagra, you know, and. And we love the Quaaludes. We always, you know, we smoked a joint before we, you know, get down. But yeah, he, I. And I was pretty impressed with Hef.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's stuff.

[B]

That's some good tea right there.

[A]

Yeah. I was like, whoa, all right. Because, you know, you. You would think something else, but. No, it wasn't something else. It was pretty impressive. And. Yeah. But we all had our own, you know, toys and things and our double screen pornos that we would watch and our mirrored ceiling. And it was. It truly was like something. Something like out of a fantasy world

[B]

that you would think, if you're thinking, what. What is Hugh Hefner's bedroom like? And so it'd be all you girls on one huge bed with all those extracurriculars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Screens and toys and everything else.

[A]

All you could hear was, oh, yeah. Whether it was real.

[B]

That was my next question.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really isn't Ozzy.

[A]

Oh, yeah. He loved it. Like, the more. The more extravagant you made it, you the better. And that's why I used to bring girls home from the club, because the more girls I can throw on that bed to perform for him, he's in heaven. And I loved seeing him like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So.

[B]

Well, you said it before. He loved his life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It seems like he definitely lived.

[A]

I loved his life, and I now love the life he gave me.

[B]

Yeah. And. And you're right. So you're. You're still. You're still living that day, in addition to the book.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What else are you doing? So you, obviously, you were a fitness model. You were competing. Tell us more about what you did post. Post Playboy life.

[A]

So post Playboy life, I'm. I went from being a hairdresser, then, you know, doing the modeling, but I. I really didn't have. Because I had a child, I didn't think of a career, as in, I want to go get a 9 to 5 job.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I always thought I was gonna, like, fall back on my modeling, so I kind of had that. But after landing here, I felt so full of opportunity that I just wanted to do so many things. So, you know, it went from, you know, doing the Playboy. I. I was on tv A lot. I was filming commercials in la. I was on Two and a Half Men regularly. I was doing so much. And then it went from, you know, fitness. I got into fitness and I wanted to start competing that. I wanted to start, you know, helping people with their diet and nutrition. So then I did that and then I started flight attending. I met a lot of people at Playboy, in the Playboy Mansion, doing private jets, who owned private jets. And I thought that's a great thing to have, like, have under my belt. So they would always say to me, yeah, you should. You'd be great as a flight attendant. And I was. It always stuck. So I went and took. Took the course and became a flight attendant and started flying for those exact people.

[B]

Not on Southwest, not here, no signature and Maguire.

[A]

They're private airlines. Yeah. So I started flying for those. But yeah, I, I can't stay with one thing too long. I get bored, like, so I'm, I'm. I'm always like, looking to do something else. So now I'm into helping people. With Peptides, the new thing, the new craze that's out now, doing that and then Botox and this, that and the other. You know, now I, I want to become an ICE agent.

[B]

Yeah. I want to get it. I want to get into that. But before I ask you about that. Yeah, because I'm a big Two and a Half Men.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Any Charlie Sheen stories or did you ever. Did you ever. Did you ever do go out with Charlie outside of the show?

[A]

Not out with him, but did attend a few of these parties at his,

[B]

the, the famous parties.

[A]

Crazy parties.

[B]

Okay, let's. All right, there's some tea. Let's hear some tea about crazy Sheen parties. What were they like?

[A]

Crazier than hefts? Let's say that. Yeah. It's exactly what you imagine it to be.

[B]

And these are during the two, because I did watch his documentary and during the Two and a Half Men days. This is like a ton of cocaine into like crack. I mean, is. Is this that era? The guy out of control.

[A]

He'd be at the party. He. At his own party with us. Literally get up from doing the line and he's. He's going to set. He's literally going to set.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whacked out of his mind. You know, we're still there. Like, he's amazing. What a guy. Talk about somebody that can just adjust to any situation and, and still, you know, when. Sometimes when you're drunk and high, like, you can't get your. Together, you have to be in the state with people that. That are there. But he is able to just go from one thing to another, and he's always got something funny to say. What a guy. No, he's brilliant.

[B]

If that documentary is true to form, which it seems like it is. Yeah, he does seem like a really nice guy.

[A]

He's a brilliant guy. Yeah, brilliant. And everything that comes out of his mouth is just hilarious. But, yeah, he's a great partier. He puts on a great party. And I can say that, yeah, there are a notch up from Hef's parties.

[B]

That's. Although I guess that's not too surprising. But I think there are few people on the planet that you would think have a party's a step up from

[A]

the playboy mansions in a different way. Meaning, like, everyone's just a little more promiscuous and game to party. Yeah.

[B]

A lot more substances than just some Quaaludes.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But, you know, that's. I experienced it, like, the right way. You know, I was just. I was so open to everything, I think, because I was very mature for my age. I. And I'd been around drugs, like, since a young age. I didn't find that to be weird or anything. I was just an aura of watching this guy in his element and how happy he was. Yeah. And because he reminded me of half as well, like, surrounded by beautiful women and, you know, I was in awe of him because I found him to be, like, a younger version of Hef. Yeah. Wow.

[B]

Yeah. So I can see that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I adored him, too. I still do. He's funny.

[B]

Do you still talk to him?

[A]

Not really, no.

[B]

He's, I think, supposedly sober. I don't know if he's.

[A]

Yeah, he's doing that really well. And he looks. He looks great, too, now. Yeah, he looks healthy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm happy for him.

[B]

You can see in some of those reruns it was starting to catch up to him with his looks. Yeah. But, yeah, no, that was great. Well, I'm glad that I. I'm glad I circled back to ask that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So. Yeah. So it is interesting in your. You know, in your. You know, when your book came out, there was. There wasn't any of this ICE controversy about deportations or anything like that, but you were very upfront about how much you wanted to become an American citizen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, you know, in this interview we talked.

[A]

You.

[B]

You said the green card took a few months, and maybe once the process started, did. But there was a lot of difficulty and pain and a lot of effort on your behalf, trying to get that green card and be in this country legally.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you could tell that that was, you know, again, that was a big part of it. So fast forward now. Now we're, you know, ICE is. Is what it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's. Everybody's talking about ice. You came here, you know, I guess the right way and did it, and. And so is that kind of why you want to be an ICE agent? Tell us about. Tell us about your journey to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

An ICE agent.

[A]

Okay. So I guess because it was a process for me, and I really, really tried my best to do everything the right way. When I was going through it, I hit a bump in the road, and experiencing that shitty bump in the road really opened my eyes to how immigration works. And if you don't do it the right way, this is what can happen. And I never knew. And that really. That grew me up a lot going through that situation, as well as it. Because I went through so much with immigration, it really annoys me that people don't do it the right way because I had spent so much time and money on doing it the right way, and now people think that they can just step all over that. It gives me a thorn in my side. So that's why I'm a little protective of immigration situation now. Even though I was on that side of it, now I want to be on the other side of it because I don't think that there is enough women in. In the immigration ICE to handle women and the kids. I don't think that the men should be handling the women in the kids during, you know, ICE raids or pulling over or this, that, and the other, you know, it's always the guys. So I feel like, you know, I think I would like to do my part in giving back, knowing that I've been through the situation, I know how it works, and I want to be there for the women and the children to know that they go through it smoothly. You know, how it can be done. Yeah.

[B]

So to help that process.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To be smoother, maybe less traumatic, but

[A]

also I'd like to, you know, tackle the ones that, like, literally advantage. Yeah, yeah. Ones that take advantage of the system. Because it annoys me that I did it the right way with such trial and tribulation that I want everyone else to do it the right way, and it's not that hard, you know, so. Yeah.

[B]

What's the latest? Are you.

[A]

I'm in training.

[B]

You're in training?

[A]

My. I got to do my hours at the range yeah. And waiting for my concealed permit. And as soon as I get that, we're. We're on the road, so.

[B]

So Peptides Fitness. Tell us a little more about what you're doing now. What is the future hold and where can people find you?

[A]

Well, so I. I just had my 51st birthday, so.

[B]

Birthday.

[A]

Yeah. I'm kind of up there, so I'm really concentrating on, like, longevity. I'm trying to stay young for as long as I can. And I've been researching these Peptides for a while, so I'm kind of getting into that, staying on my fitness and keeping everything intact. But, yeah, I. I've got a couple of projects with Tina Jordan, who was one of Hef's exes. We've got a couple of those on the table that we're talking about.

[B]

What are those? Can you talk about?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then, yeah, this ice thing is hopefully going to happen very, very soon because I'm very impatient.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, yeah, just, I. I'm staying in Florida and maybe do an audiobook soon. I don't know. But I've still got so much to tell. Yeah, there's still so much to tell.

[B]

Sequel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Needs to probably.

[A]

I've got a lot. And. And the other book is like, kind of better in. In worse ways or worse. In better ways.

[B]

I like that. As a publisher, I'm definitely intrigued.

[A]

Yeah. It's going from nearly losing my life to enabling people on drugs. There was just like so many, like, crazy situations when I left the Mansion. Yeah. That it definitely needs a sequel.

[B]

What type of feedback have you received from people who have read from Britain?

[A]

Oh, so especially my friends that I grew up with back at home had said to me, oh, my God, you brought back so many memories of our childhood and how honest and how honest and raw that it was. And truthful. Yeah, yeah. You know, and yeah, that I was honest. I. I didn't make it about. I didn't want to write about the mansion. I wanted to write about my journey over here. That, and I wanted to focus on that solely. So, you know, everyone was, like, very surprised that I had gone through so much to make it to where my destination was. Yeah.

[B]

So some people maybe were surprised they didn't know all those things about it,

[A]

but they also know that there's a lot more that I didn't tell. So they were like, we want more tea.

[B]

So we all want more tea, Zoe.

[A]

So I'm gonna have to spill some more tea, I guess. I think we're gonna need to be continued.

[B]

To be. To be continued. Well, for now, you can get from Britain to Bunny everywhere the books are sold.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a great book. It's great. Great having you in here. Great conversations. Thank you so much.

[A]

Thanks for having me.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Okay.