In this conversation, Malcolm Collins sits down with Basic Logic — one of the fastest-growing right-wing YouTube channels — to discuss his rapid rise, Christian conversion story, critique of boomer conservatism, and the unique challenges facing Gen Z.

Topics include: how Basic Logic went from stubborn atheist to Christian (and converted his friend), why personal religious experiences aren’t enough for most people, the failures of modern churches, the lack of real mentors, dating as a Christian in your 20s, new right vs. old conservatism, and rebuilding culture through truth-seeking.

A raw, high-signal discussion on philosophy, faith, generational collapse, and what it takes to actually change minds in 2025.

Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Malcolm Collins: Hello, everyone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today, we are here with Basic Logic. And if you don’t know who Basic Logic is, he, within the right-wing YouTuber space, is probably one of the fastest growing channels I’ve ever seen. Y- I think in just a few months you went from something like 20,000 to over 100,000 subscribers.

[00:00:20] And your content is really solid, like short form both data and philosophy heavy. Not that I agree with everything, but it’s definitely like thematically aligned with a lot of the topics on this channel. And I decided to reach out ‘cause I always try to have conversations with anyone in this wider intellectual space because we’re all having what I sort of call an asynchronous conversation with the world, with our watchers, with everything like that where a lot of us are watching a lot of other creators out there.

[00:00:52] We’re getting ideas from them. We’re spinning those ideas into something new. And so, bringing people together to have these conversations can be really interesting. What I wanted to start with is what was the context of starting the channel for you? What was your goal with the channel, and how did that goal evolve as you’ve gone on?

[00:01:14] Basic Logic: Th- thank you for having me. The way I started this channel was as a dare actually. So it’s- I’m not the only person on this channel. My friend is an editor for this channel, and we, we co-own the channel. It’s 50/50.

[00:01:26] Malcolm Collins: Okay.

[00:01:27] Basic Logic: And the relationship I had with this friend for a very long time is that I like to go deep into certain topics.

[00:01:32] In particularly, I converted to Christianity some years ago, and he was the first person I started talking about to Chris- about Christianity with. And then he converted shortly after. I think like a week or two after I converted.

[00:01:43] Simone Collins: Whoa.

[00:01:44] Basic Logic: And so we’ve always had this dynamic of I go deep into a certain topic, and then I explain it in a very concise way.

[00:01:51] And he started telling me, like pestering me, like, “Man, you have to write a book about this because everyone I talk to takes like an hour to explain something simple.” And h- he has ADHD, and he doesn’t like, you know, sitting down for an hour for something that can be explained in three minutes if you really focus.

[00:02:08] And then at some point I was go- I was getting bored with my own personal life. I had some spare time to kill because s- there were some professional ambitions that I had that didn’t go as intended. Which had to do with me start, trying to start a startup out of college. But then the people who I was relying on, they didn’t really follow up with the promises that they made.

[00:02:28] Malcolm Collins: Hmm.

[00:02:29] Basic Logic: And so I had some spare time left over as, as I was waiting, and I was bored, and I was like, “Okay, let’s make a video.” And we posted the video, and it was zero views for like 12 hours. And then afterwards it started getting some traction, and then started getting a lot more traction. It’s like, okay, let, let’s try this seriously.

[00:02:45] And so now we are at at the time of recording, we are at 96,900 subscribers. It hasn’t even been 11 months yet.

[00:02:53] Malcolm Collins: So- That is completely demoralizing. I, I’ve been doing this for every day, an hour edited episode for what, th- three years at this point, Simone? Yeah, it’s three years. I think so, yeah ... and, and we’re, we’re at 75,000.

[00:03:10] I mean, we’ll probably hit 100 before- The end of the four-year period. I know it took Nutsoner four years to get to 100,000, so you’re doing incredibly well. But I see why when I look at the form of your content which is as, as, as quick and with nice animation to the point of a philosophical concept, which I am just terrible at doing, right?

[00:03:32] Like, it would take me so long to create videos that short. But that’s also why I’m glad to have you on here so people can get the wider context on you, because that’s not gonna come through on your videos. The, the big question I would have is what convinced you to convert to Christianity so much so that when you talked to your friend, he also converted?

[00:03:50] Like, what was the argument or the trepidation you had beforehand?

[00:03:57] Basic Logic: Well, there was no argument. I was an extremely [00:04:00] stubborn atheist before. I respected Christianity. I, I started studying Christianity probably an hour... No, not an hour, a year or two before I converted, because I was realizing, okay, everything’s going wrong in society.

[00:04:12] The Christians seem to have some good ideas. Let me learn from them. And I did, and I thought a lot of the wisdom there was very good. However, I, I wasn’t convinced until I, I kinda had to be convinced by a How can I say this? I’m, I’m not even sure if I should say this, because every time I do, it gets a lot of people like demoralized in trying to convert.

[00:04:35] In the sense that I had the religious experience, and that’s what finally converted me.

[00:04:39] Malcolm Collins: Hmm.

[00:04:40] Basic Logic: And the reason I don’t always share that is because the common response I get when I, when I tell them that I have a religious experience, like, “Okay, I’ll convert when I have one.” It’s like, great. But

[00:04:50] Malcolm Collins: how did you convince your friend?

[00:04:51] Did he have a religious experience

[00:04:52] Basic Logic: or did he convert? He did not have, no. So very quickly I realized I can’t just tell people I had a religious experience and then they’re gonna convert. That doesn’t make any damn sense.

[00:05:01] Malcolm Collins: Hmm.

[00:05:01] Basic Logic: But after all these

[00:05:02] Malcolm Collins: years of- By the way, I w- I wanna say how much I appreciate th- that was immediately obvious to you.

[00:05:07] Yeah. You do not know, because I also converted from being an atheist for ages, how many times a Christian would just be like, “Well, you know, God just started talking to me. But that’s how I know. And that’s why you should know too.” And I’m like, “But he doesn’t talk to me.” Like, what are you ta- ... that, your personal religious experience doesn’t, does not impact my belief, right?

[00:05:28] So I really appreciate that that was obvious to you. But go on.

[00:05:32] Basic Logic: Yeah, so like people from different religions have their own religious experience, or they claim to. People- Yeah ... can also go insane, and people can go temporarily insane. So it did cross my mind, “Hey, maybe I just went crazy for like one morning.

[00:05:43] That might have happened.” So I decided, okay, I’ve already been studying this religion. I like the ideas. Let’s actually go deeper into the philosophy of it. Let’s see if I can understand to prove it or debunk it. And this was like my fixation for one or two weeks, I don’t remember exactly, where all I cared about doing was studying the Bi-

[00:06:00] I hadn’t told anyone that I had converted by this point. All my fixation was on just studying the Bible itself, learning about what theologians believed. I would be listening to theology podcasts while doing everything or anything. And so I, I ended up adopting like a mix of beliefs of different Protestant denominations especially, but I also respect the Catholics and the Orthodox.

[00:06:21] I’m not militantly Protestant.

[00:06:25] Malcolm Collins: Yeah Like, like- And so I, I understood that ... like we, we are, we have a reputation for being, so. But okay, so that’s really w- I, I find it interesting that you were able to get so much from studying theologians. So I guess like this actually makes sense to go into my history on this.

[00:06:39] I really enjoyed, when I was an atheist Christian radio. And I listened to tons of Christian radio. But what’s really funny is if you’re super into Christian radio, which is probably not good for me, I, I approached this wrong you get really into arguments that are never gonna matter to an atheist’s conversion.

[00:07:03] Like pre- versus post-millennialism, right? Like-

[00:07:06] Basic Logic: Right ...

[00:07:07] Malcolm Collins: that, that, yeah?

[00:07:09] Basic Logic: Yeah, yeah. I know what you’re talking about.

[00:07:11] Malcolm Collins: And I would get super into like all of the arguments on both sides of that ‘cause I just loved the lore, I guess. But I never came in on the more practical things that I had never had somebody sit me down and give me good arguments for.<...