Malcolm & Simone Collins react to Leaflit (Leaflet) the Gifter’s groundbreaking free PNGtubing tool that makes high-quality VTubing accessible to everyone using AI. They discuss how this technology is disrupting the expensive traditional Live2D rigging industry, the backlash from artists and riggers, and why democratizing content creation is essential.

Topics include: the future of AI-powered VTubing, capitalism maxxing with bring-your-own-API on RFAB, resurrecting Tay the AI, building based VTubers, artist flakiness vs. AI productivity, water usage myths, and creating a Chud Tech ecosystem. A must-watch for creators, AI enthusiasts, and anyone tired of gatekeeping in creative spaces.

You can try Leaflit’s PNGTubing feature on Reality Fabricator now!

Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Malcolm Collins: Hello, I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we discuss the downfall of the most disgusting and degenerate VTuber ever

[00:00:08] Simone Collins: Dah ...

[00:00:09] Malcolm Collins: provoked an act so vile, so heinous, that the internet has decided, and I will point out, this, this is actually something we need to study because even on sentiment analysis it said it was about 50/50% in terms of support and attack.

[00:00:27] Simone Collins: How? What? What?

[00:00:29] Malcolm Collins: So what she did... Do you wanna hear what Leaflet did that was so evil? Tell me, Malcolm. And it’s important to go into this because it shows where sentiment is globally right now in the United States, how sentiment in the United States has been manipulated, and how we can utilize this to destroy our opponents.

[00:00:50] Because they’re gonna get suplexed, and I’m looking forward to this. So Leaflet made, you know how I’ve been trying to make, like, good VTubing software for like Live2D? Well, I, I’ve never really gotten it good enough for, like, a, it to scare the other side yet.

[00:01:08] Simone Collins: Leaflet- No, it still requires tweaking out of the box like a little bit of tinkering, but it’s still amazing.

[00:01:12] Yeah.

[00:01:14] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it’s definitely usable, but it’s not- Yeah ... Leaflet made something that was so good it scared people. Yeah. And she actually made it. Now she keeps telling me the way that she’s doing it will never be as good as Live2D stuff will be. Which-

[00:01:30] Simone Collins: It looks better to me. I think maybe to people who aren’t so anchored to traditional, traditional modern VTubing, they’re like, “No, I, I prefer this one.

[00:01:39] Give me the o- give me that one.”

[00:01:41] Speaker 3: Hey guys, Leaf here. I have an update. I was working on the project for a little bit today. , Anyway, , the big things are there are a couple new features I added.

[00:01:50] Malcolm Collins: I’ll e- and I’ll explain why with a few tweaks that I’ve already started making, it can be strictly better, and the way she made it is, is quite brilliant. Mm-hmm ... basically she com- created a new type of PNG Tubing, but I’ll explain this in a second. Basically a new way to make VTubing inexpensive.

[00:02:06] Super inexpensive. Like thousands of times less in terms of the cost to enter. And b- being the absolute mad lad that she is, she gives it away for free For free And that actually causes some problems because it means you, the user, have to figure out how to use APIs. So on this stream today, what I am announcing- Wonderful.

[00:02:32] Wonderful ... is Leaflet just also gave me the code for this and said, “Try to improve it. Drop it on RFAB. You can use it with the RFAB tokens,” which is just a 50% margin, which isn’t much when you’re talking about API tokens. Most are significantly more than that ‘cause they constantly change the price and we’re always selling stuff for under market and getting hit really bad by that.

[00:02:49] Just, just so you understand why we can’t go less than 50. We really would prefer to. We go only 33% with videos because they just cost more and, but with the images and stuff when it’s only, like, 50 cents, and then the next day they’re like, “Oh, it’s 80 cents.” And it’s like, “Well, you told us 50 cents yesterday.”

[00:03:02] Yeah. But anyway. What we have also done to live up to the spirit of Leaflet but now across the rest of our site, is we have capitalism maxing mode- ... where you can put your own APIs into our site, and it will use your APIs for the agent system, for this system, for image generation, for narrative gameplay, and we will make nothing.

[00:03:28] Nothing.

[00:03:29] Simone Collins: Thanks,

[00:03:30] Malcolm Collins: Malcolm. It is completely free for... Well, I mean, you still have to pay the AI companies, but, like, if you wanna go crazy and you’re spending thousands of dollars a day and you’re feeling like, “You know, I’d be better just rigging up something myself,” well, I mean, that’s really why we’re doing this, Simone.

[00:03:43] Yeah, yeah. Because I never want... Like, I’ve created all the things I’ve created ‘cause I’m like, “I just want something better.” And so there’s always gonna be marginal things on our site that they will find a way to be charged for, right? Like-

[00:03:53] Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:53] Malcolm Collins: And if everybody just moves to this system, then I could, I don’t know, gate it behind, like, a, a [00:04:00] small monthly fee or something like that, right?

[00:04:02] But it’s a way to make it so that even if you every day, like RFAB is the main way that you use AI, that you’re never gonna break the bank or feel like we’re exploiting you. And I absolutely want that from a product that I’m standing behind and involved in. That is- Mm. I mean, I think it’s the future.

[00:04:18] I think that that’s... When I think about the future of, before I get back into the Leaflet story, the future of what a company is we’ve gone with the opposite of the startup model. The startup model says you go out there and you try to do one thing really, really well. And if you’re doing a new thing, do something else really, really well.

[00:04:36] Mm-hmm. But the problem is in the AI world anyone can m- summon any technology the moment they think of it. So you know, I, I wanted to make these will be live as of today, too, the hardware devices. Ooh. You know, a hardware device that my kid can use as, like, a companion and I can tutor them. You want to create a better image viewer, you want to create a better search feature, recipe generator.

[00:04:54] Like, everything on the site the, the features that, that I have as an admin that you don’t have in the public yet are just other things I need. Like cheaper video editing, ‘cause Descript’s been raising their prices. Cheaper video filming and storing because y- StreamYard’s been raising their prices.

[00:05:07] Basically whenever anyone raises their prices on me, I’m like, “I’m gonna make it.” And email integration for all of your email systems. And so, I’m like with a lot of this stuff, I’m, I’m like this is just stuff that I want in my life. But like you, the amount of access you give to an AI is in part based on your trust in a company.

[00:05:26] Simone Collins: Mm.

[00:05:27] Malcolm Collins: Right? And so us out there trying to make us the most trustworthy company in the AI industry, I think is, is the direction I wanted to go with all of this. But Anyway, You’re amazing, Malcolm ... I love you ... we’re, we’re... Yeah so, so like I’m just adding new stu- adding new stuff, adding new stuff, and I appreciate that Leaflet’s doing this.

[00:05:47] Basically, if people are wondering- Yeah ... Leaflet insists that we don’t pay her back for this, but I do track all of the token spend on anything she’s built, and if it ever becomes a meaningful amount, I will find a way to make it up to her. You know, may-

[00:05:58] Simone Collins: maybe- Because Leaflet’s the best and she deserves this.

[00:06:00] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I, it, it’s wild to me to see her, and we’ll go over some of the evisceration that she’s been getting i- if you haven’t looked into this, Simone, for simply trying to help people. But it’s important- Yeah ... to understand the consequences of her trying to help people. The consequences of her trying to help people is an abusive cult really that controlled some industries, including the VTuber space, since their inception.

[00:06:26] And mind you, Leaflet has been, I did not know this was one of the very first VTubers. So she- Was

[00:06:33] Simone Collins: she?

[00:06:33] Malcolm Collins: Wow. Yeah, she would’ve been, Before vtubing existed as a concept, she was doing vtubing. Like-

[00:06:40] Simone Collins: Wow ...

[00:06:41] Malcolm Collins: but like proto PNG tubing. That’s how she was aware of these alternate technologies

[00:06:44] Simone Collins: Oh, yeah.

[00:06:45] Right, right. Yeah, ‘cause she hasn’t- That sh- Okay, that makes sense.

[00:06:49] Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So she’s been there since the beginning, always in this industry, which again, is really funny when the people who have like no viewers and are new to the scene are telling her like, “You’re not a real VTuber.” It’s like, sweetie, like vtubing’s gonna be right wing soon, and we’ll make it that way.

[00:07:05] We will make vtubing so uncomfortable...