Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive deep into the controversial topic of IQ changes after gender transition, with a special focus on puberty blockers. This episode explores scientific studies on animals and humans, the mechanisms behind cognitive changes, and the social and ethical implications. The hosts discuss both supporting and opposing research, share personal anecdotes, and address the broader cultural conversation around gender transition and cognitive health.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be looking into the phenomenon of not just gender transition, but specifically puberty blockers. Hmm. And a significant decline in iq. This is something that most people are broadly aware of as a thing and that the trans industry has tried to cover up basically all of the studies done on this before 2010.

Found like a one standard deviation decline in iq or like half a standard deviation, but I

Simone Collins: didn’t know it was that bad. And that’s with puberty blockers not like full out Also transition too.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it’s like it’s, it is typically what I’ve seen. It’s like 15 to seven point drop. So pretty bit no, and, and it, it, it’s even bigger in animals where you almost see like a 50% decline in, in some animals and stuff like that.

So we’re not talking about like a trivial drop in the bucket or anything like that. We’re talking years of lead paint chips.

Simone Collins: My God, you’re right. And when you think about everything that parents do, the excruciating attention they put into trying to keep their children safe from [00:01:00] toxins like this, and then without even thinking about it, they’re throwing their kids on puberty blockers.

Malcolm Collins: Worst kids are being told that this is okay and deciding to do it themselves. Like they take your kids to a psychologist. We’ve talked about this over and over again, and the psychologist will assign these to them and they’ll tell them not to tell their parents. You know, after one meeting we had a friend who this happened to took his kid to a gender psychologist, psychologist, said to the parents and they go, well, we’ll have a follow up meeting a six months where we’ll decide if this is appropriate.

Turns out they had secretly already given the kid the prescription. And so, well even

Simone Collins: if that doesn’t happen, like maybe your doctor’s based and is like, you know what? This is not your problem. You’re looking in the wrong place. The kid can still go online and illegally get all the prescriptions they need with very decent ease.

There’s a very effective, well greased underground railroad for. All sorts of hormones that you need, well happen. Well, it’s because

Malcolm Collins: there’s a community out there. And this is another thing, the trans community that lows to cover up, but I’ll play a clip from Turkey Tom that I always love to play here, where he is going over what was happening in one of the trans servers.

Did they, there was a group of people who get turned on by [00:02:00] the idea of finding kids and convincing them to take puberty blockers.

it’s genuinely really good grooming advice. On April 4th, 2023, Postcard reveals he’s in contact with four minors. Age 9 to 13. I’ve so far sent it to four minors between the ages of 9 and 13. I hope it encourages them to transition. When the Anka Zone animation became a meme, they got excited over its virality among kids. Mana Drain and Orion also fantasized about getting kids on hormones orion was the manager , coercing him every step of the way. This is apparent by how he talked about him to others. Has he started hormones yet? Yes, but not effectively. I guess that’s what you’d expect just telling a r to buy hormones. They bought estrogen, but no anti androgen. It would have been more fun if he started hormone blockers at like 12.

Haha, isn’t that true for everyone? Don’t worry, I’ll make him into a good girl

Malcolm Collins: And I mean, this is a thing, it’s a real thing. You can be like, I’m not like that as a trans person. Fine, you’re not like that. But there, that, that community also exists regardless of whether or not you are like that.

Right. And so what we’re gonna go over in this episode is the various studies on this what [00:03:00] appears to be the mechanism of action here. And then we’re gonna go over the studies that say that this isn’t happening and we are then gonna go over who ran those studies, who said this isn’t happening.

Hmm. Because they become pretty easy to dismiss. When you look at who was involved in them

Simone Collins: Ah what, like their samples and everything?

Malcolm Collins: No the big one that the trans community always talks about in this literally was run by the head of wpath. It was no bias there. No bias, no collusion, literally ran and regularly did.

And their primary source of income and every one of the main authors on it, primary source of income was gender transitioning mine. Mm.

Yeah, I’m surprised that they found no effect here.

Speaker 2: what I do. I talk for a living. What do you talk about? I speak on behalf of cigarettes. My mom says cigarettes kill.

Really?

Now, is your mommy a doctor?

Speaker: No.

Speaker 2: A scientific researcher of some kind? No. Oh, she doesn’t exactly sound like a credible expert now, does [00:04:00] she?. All I’m suggesting is that there will always be people trying to tell you what to do and what to think.

There probably already. Are people doing that? Am I right?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker 2: I’m here to say that when someone tries to act like some sort of an expert, you can respond. Who says, so cigarettes are good for you? No. No, that’s not. That’s not what I’m getting at. My point is that you have to think for yourself. You have to challenge authority.

So perhaps instead of acting like sheep when it comes to cigarettes, you should find out for yourself.

Malcolm Collins: But I think it’s, it’s really interesting to start by looking at animal models. Because with animal models, there’s no reason to lie about this.

Right. There’s no political motivations or anything. So, well, and at least the,

Simone Collins: the Protran group can just say, well, it’s animal model, so it doesn’t count. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, no. What I mean is you can lose your job. I mean, we know from when Travis stock was closed down that there was a study that they had shut down and, and never published because the [00:05:00] results showed that putting kids on puberty blocker increased their chances of unliving themselves and increased.

Risk of self harm. And they they refuse to publish it. So we now know that like if you are a. Gender transition clinic, and you have data that you, you doesn’t support what you want to support, you’re not gonna release the study, right? And we know people who have had their jobs put on, on the line for publishing research, which could be seen as critical of the trans community because the trans community then goes and tries to get you fired.

But if you’re studying this in sheep or something, or you actually do need to study this in animals or dogs because you know, you might be neutering them or something, what happens when you prevent them from going through normal puberty? You can without any, you know, trans activists freaking out and coming after you really get into the nitty gritty of what’s going on neurologically here.

Hmm.

So let’s start with Hugh Etal 2017. This is a sheep study. We’ll also go into the human studies from a while ago because they, they were also really telling as well, like the pre 2010 months. The study was titled A Reduction in Long-Term Spatial Memory [00:06:00] Persist After Discontinuation of Prepubescent, GNRH, agnostic Treatment in Sheep.

It builds on research examining the effects of gnostic releasing hormones, GNH treatment, which suppresses the hypothalamic pituitary goon axi. On brain function during puberty, the researchers use an OV sheep model to investigate whether impairments in spatial memory observed during active GNH treatment reverse after discontinuation.

So, the, the point here being is it’s taken as a given within sheep studies that eve a sheep. Is is put on puberty blockers, basically. The sheep will have a severe impairment in spatial memory. And what they’re trying to study in this paper is, does that continue after the treatment is stopped, or is that only while they’re on the treatment that this falls.

And

Simone Collins: continues after

Malcolm Collins: they stop. Are they

Simone Collins: sending the sheep through mazes? What are, what are they doing? They do,

Malcolm Collins: yes.

Simone Collins: [00:07:00] Okay. Sheep mazes,

Malcolm Collins: literally through maze. It’s sheep maze. Yes. It’s cute. But, but funny, funny here is, is people might be like, oh, come on. You know, this is a conservative propaganda or anything like that.

Like people don’t get dumber when they gender transition. And I’m like, okay, except watch our video. The Wachowski Effect. Why is it that there’s so many instances of famous individuals who then gender transition and all of a sudden suck. At whatever it is they used to be really good at you know, like the Wachowskis, right?

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Why Do Studies Show IQ Declining After Gender Transition?