In this episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the historic end of the Israel and Gaza war, exploring the surprising role Donald Trump played in brokering peace. The discussion covers the political fallout for both the left and right, the shifting narratives in Western media, and the broader implications for Israel, Gaza, and global politics. The Collinses examine the reactions from activists, the future of leftist causes, and the complex cultural and demographic dynamics shaping the region. The episode also touches on the role of AI, the future of capitalism, and the evolving landscape of social and political movements. Stay tuned for a satirical musical finale imagining Gaza as the “new Riviera” in a post-war world.

Episode Transcript:

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Well, okay, so look at what this does for the left. So they’re not gonna have this in the next election cycle. It’s like an issue they can talk about. Because, you know, Trump saved Gaza so they don’t have this in the next election cycle.

They don’t have the trans stuff anymore. Like, that’s mostly blown up. , Like when I see blue sky turning against an issue, I’m like, okay, like this is really culturally over at this point. The environmentalist grift, everybody sort of forgot about that. Like I haven’t heard much environmentalist. Well, I mean, the fact

Simone Collins: that even Greta Thunberg has switched from the environment to Gaza is I think indicative of the scales really tipping and people just having dropped it

Dare you. How dare you..

Simone Collins: Y. Yeah. I mean, global poverty could be a thing again. Are they gonna make global poverty a thing again? Well, not, no, no, no. Not global poverty. An end to capitalism.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. Today we have a peace in the Middle East and [00:01:00] Trump was largely responsible for this. And interestingly, a lot of leftist figures who have been using this as a core of their platform are very confused about what to do next. Because they cannot praise Trump for what he did.

No, in a deal that is shockingly pro Hamas. And, and I’m gonna talk about the deal. I’m gonna talk about what it means for the region. I’m going to talk about just how much Trump, because it really was all down to Trump. There is peace. The war ended because of Trump. And people point out that Biden had access to all of the tools that Trump used.

He just refused to use it. Hmm. And he used a lot of tools that we talked about, like the swinging being like, oh, you know, the Riviera and Gaza and like, you know, saying, oh, I don’t care. We’ll cut an aid to the region and stuff like that. Because you have to be willing to have a negotiating position to get to an outcome, right?

You, you can’t go in and be like, okay, I’m gonna come to the most middle ground possible, because in both sides. Choose extreme [00:02:00] positions. Yeah. So when each side thinks you’re on the other side, side, you could have a more actual negotiation. But we’ll talk about a lot of leftists who seem genuinely upset that the war is over.

I wanna talk about what is next for Israel and the Jews. And, and for those who don’t think that this was downstream of Trump. Here’s an ai. So I tried to ask the question in like an unbiased way. Like, was this really all Trump? Like Trump keeps claiming. And the AI said high contingency on Trump. His quote, unquote, insistence and willingness to exert us leverage EEG arms to Israel Sanctions on Iran and direct engagement were credited with breaking the stalemate.

Critics prior Biden administration argue Biden had similar tools, but chose not to use them aggressively. Perhaps due to domestic politics or differing priorities. Trump’s personal style building on relationships from his first term, Abraham Accords and treating leaders like Erdowan as allies. And he did do this.

The leftist always treated Erdogan like he was some sort of desperate outsider. And so why would [00:03:00] he work with him? But Erdogan as we’ll learn actually has a very friendly relationship with Trump using words like one tough cookie to describe him. That’s a very endearing, but like he’s actually bringing it all to a negotiation term.

And he was really key in pressuring Hamas to accept the deal. Because keep in mind, from the position of Hamas and the Israeli hardliners, neither of them wants us. The reason why Hamas doesn’t want this is because they use this to stay in power. Like one of the key goals of the deal for everyone, because the Egyptians are, are staying there and building military, there is the deconstruction of Hamas, right?

Right. So they don’t want to accept this deal. But obviously you cannot have a group that’s whole purpose is the eradication of the Jews right next to Israel. Right? So like. There wasn’t gonna be a piece deal unless that was part of it and they got Hamas to accept this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Okay. Well, and I was also just thinking, I mean, ‘cause we’re constantly talking about ai, how Israel and Gaza are a really great,

Malcolm Collins: Hey Octavian, do you know, oh, sorry. This is Wizzing, his, [00:04:00] his AI friend that he’s talking to. I can’t hear you by the way, if you’re talking,

Simone Collins: Hey, hooked. Are you talking, Simone? Yeah. Sorry. Can you hear me now? Yeah, I

Malcolm Collins: can hear you.

Simone Collins: I was just thinking too about how Israel and Gaza can be seen as kind of an allegory to AI and people who think that AI cannot exist safely.

Yes. You’re, you’re basically obligating. Each group to want the complete destruction of the other group. And it’s one of these terrible situations that’s extremely hard to deescalate. So the, the fact that we may be moving toward that is really notable.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I’ve often used the tri gun, spider and butterfly analogy to describe the situation that Israel is in

Speaker 6: . You wanted to save the butterfly, right? I didn’t want to kill the spider. Unless the spider caught the butterfly, it would die anyway. You can’t save both, don’t you know that?

Speaker 5: It’s not right to make that choice so easily. . BUt

Speaker 6: [00:05:00] I’m not wrong about this, Rem. And what would you have rather had us do, just stand and think about it? In the meantime, while we do that, the spider eats the butterfly

Malcolm Collins: .

The gist being is that if a group. Is solely dedicated and its continued existence is solely dedicated on the destruction of another group. You can’t save both of those groups. You have to change the nature of one group, like genetically edit it to be a herbivore. Yeah. Or like

Simone Collins: remove Hamas,

Malcolm Collins: right?

Yeah. But that doesn’t mean necessarily remove all the people of the region. But we’ll talk about that in just a second. I’d also note here that everyone’s like, oh, Trump’s so mad about losing the Nobel Peace Prize. But the reality is, is no sane person thought he was going to win that prize. No. But I don’t know if you’ve seen what the outcome was of that.

But the, the woman who did win the prize dedicated it to Trump.

Simone Collins: Yeah. The, the Venezuelan, what is it? Dissident leader? Yeah. And

Malcolm Collins: it, it, the fact that she immediately did that and then said Trump has been key to my work [00:06:00] in Venezuela Yeah. Indicates that she’s probably gonna give a pro-Trump speech at the, at the un.

We’ll see how hard she goes pro-Trump. But it’s, it doesn’t look good for them. It makes them look incredibly petty when they’re like, oh yeah, but they gave

Simone Collins: Obama a Nobel Peace prize merely for. Becoming President and Trump,

Malcolm Collins: they literally said, oh, well we only give peace prizes to people who have a long-term dedication to this.

And I’m like, well, Obama didn’t. Right? And they’re like, well, well, and Trump

Simone Collins: started this with his first term. So Right.

Malcolm Collins: And I’d also point out I, in creating the peace, something that was probably critical was, the bombing of Iran. A lot of people freaked out about that. They’re like, oh my God, how could he do this?

How could he allow this? But both showing we are willing to go there and we’re willing to stop completely was was critical and we needed Iran on board with this to make this happen. Yeah. We had to get Turkey and Iran, two of the key financial backers to the region to say, okay, we’re going.

Octavian, get out of the room. [00:07:00] Octavian, don’t you have some? I know you wanna stay with me, but you gotta get outta the room while we’re recording. Okay? Can you get out please? You can say hi to the fans and then you have to get out. But don’t unsubscribe. If you’re making a bunch of noise in the background, won’t that be sad?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Go

Simone Collins: buddy. Go do your do go do your learning, ex finish up so we can start playing at four. Thank you.

Malcolm Collins: I love you, buddy. All right. Sorry. So the point I was making is stuff like being willing to bomb Iran was, was absolutely critical in achieving this deal. And that’s something Kamala just wouldn’t have done.

If Kamala had been in power, I see literally no possibility ...