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Suddenly you see a factory, blackened, gone. Then you see a police station, blackened, gone. And then you see a former military post, also completely destroyed.
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A short time ago, the United States
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military began major combat operations in Iran.
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Today, President Trump says Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was killed in the attacks.
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The Pentagon is weighing a takeover of
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that island as a way to force
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the reopening of the Strait of Hawaii. Lose.
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Iran begged for this ceasefire and we all know it.
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Does anyone really think that someone can tell President Trump what to do? Come on.
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I'm Venetia Rainey.
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And I'm Sophia Yam.
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And this is Iran.
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The Latest It's Tuesday 2nd June, 2026, the 95th day of war and the 55th day of the ceasefire.
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Thank you so much to everyone who's been writing in to share their feedback about our proposed pivot to broader coverage. It's been really great hearing from so many of you. I'm glad you appreciate appreciated us covering this conflict in depth. And it's also interesting to hear that I think nearly all of you agree that we should broaden out our coverage a bit. But a lot of you have requested that we continue to cover the Middle east in some capacity every day. So we'll definitely start off by doing that. And thank you all for your suggestions about what else we should be covering. China, Myanmar, Sudan. We hear it all. And we will plan some coverage on all of that kind of stuff in the coming weeks. So thank you so much. And if you haven't had a chance to write in, please do. We're on battlelinestelegraph.co.uk, or you can find us on our socials in the show notes or you can comment underneath this episode.
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Later on in this episode, we'll be hearing from Jan Eglund. He's the secretary general of the Norwegian Refugee Council, a humanitarian aid organization. He's been inside Iran and will tell us about what he saw from his drive from southern Turkey into the Iranian capital of Tehran.
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Plus, we'll be speaking to an analyst in Beirut about the situation there and what next for the Israel Lebanon war, given its increasingly crucial role in the wider Middle east conflict and the search for a peace deal. But first, a quick summary of where we're at today. So yesterday listeners will know we reported that Iran was pulling out of talks and and even threatening to escalate the war in the Bab El Mandab and other places after Israel ordered a strike on Beirut and a big offensive push. It looks like those talks are now back on. Donald Trump held a, by all accounts, very fiery call with Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu, essentially telling him to call off the strikes on Beirut. I'm going to give you Trump's official statement on Truth Social, and then Sophia will go behind the curtains a bit with the reporting on that. So Trump wrote. I had a conversation with Bibi Netanyahu today asking him not to go into a major raid of Beirut, Lebanon. He turned his troops around. Thank you, Bibi. I also had a conversation with representatives of the leaders of Hezbollah and they agreed to stop shooting Israel and its soldiers. Likewise, Israel agreed to stop shooting at them. Let's see how long that lasts. Hopefully it will be for eternity. President Donald J. Trump. Sofia, what do we know about the call from reporting?
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Well, it seems like Trump has really steamrolled Bibi. He called him crazy, accused him of being ungrateful, and pushed Israel to stop attacking into Lebanese territory. Israel has said it's attacking. Hezbollah is encroaching into land outside of Israeli borders. Now, I'm going to quote some of what Trump is said to have told Netanyahu on this call. It's laden with expletives, just to give you a warning. If you're around kids, you know, things like this, you might want to just take a. Take a beat. Here are some of the lines. You're effing crazy. You'd be in prison if it weren't for me. I'm saving your ass. Everybody hates you now. Everybody hates Israel because of this. Other explanations and summaries of this call say that Trump was very, quote, pissed and at one point apparently yelled, what the F are you doing? So this is very strong language coming from Trump. He does often curse. You see this in his truth social posts. You see this and how he just speaks so off the cuff in front of reporters on television. And it's just showing this particular weakness that Israel has at the moment. Israel does need the US to support its actions. Without that, Israel, Bibi, and particular, is very much exposed. This particular war was launched as a joint effort between the Americans and the Israelis against Iran. Of course, it then spread very widely across the region. But it does also mean that Trump may be getting fed up. And you have to remember that Trump is a very fickle president. He does change his mind, I mean, he's changed his mind, for instance, on what the final goal would be for this war, not just once, but twice. And perhaps he'll change his mind again on this. And so it just goes to speak to that the alliance between the US And Israel could still change going forward.
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So we're kind of back to where we were at the beginning of yesterday. There is now a partial ceasefire again between Israel and Hezbollah, announced by Trump that has now been confirmed by Lebanese authorities. But there are still active hostilities going on in southern Lebanon, just as we've had ever since that ceasefire was declared in mid April. The Israeli forces have killed eight people in attacks today alone. And Hezbollah has fired rockets at northern Israel earlier, including at the outskirts of the coastal city of Haif. Meanwhile, it Seems that Iran is reviewing the final draft proposal for an interim ceasefire agreement with the U.S. so those back channels are ongoing. That's according to Iranian state media. Mehr news agency they said an agreement had not yet been sent back to mediators, citing an anonymous informed source. We're going to get more into the situation in Lebanon shortly. But Sofia, there's a big appearance coming up in the US Today. We're set to hear from Marco Rubio. What are we expecting?
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Yeah, Rubio, the secretary of State for the US Is set to testify in Congress. He is meant to present the annual budget requ the State Department. But very quickly, the focus of the discussion is likely and expected to shift to the war in Iran, the unsteady ceasefire that's ongoing, the talks that haven't gone anywhere, of which Iran has suspended. And this particular litany of questioning will be very interesting. It'll be interesting to see how Rubio decides to answer. He, like many other Trump cabinet officials, have largely defended the US President and his actions. And it will be the first time again that Rubio is speaking and testifying in front of Congress since war began.
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Okay, so one to keep an eye on. And we'll bring you any lines from that in tomorrow's podcast. Now, as we said, the situation in Lebanon has been escalating dramatically over the past few days and is increasingly pivotal to any future peace deal between Iran and America. To dig more into what's going on there, we're joined now by Michael Young, a senior editor at the Carnegie Middle east center in Beirut and the editor of Diwan Carnegie's Middle east blog. Michael, welcome to Iran. The latest, you're joining us from a slightly dodgy phone connection, so I hope our listeners will forgive us for slightly lower quality audio than we usually have. Can you just start by telling us what's the mood like in Beirut today? What are you seeing and hearing?
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The situation in Beirut is calm, but there is still a great deal of confusion with respect to what happened yesterday. As you know, at the end of the day, Donald Trump announced that the Israelis and Hezbollah had agreed to stop firing at each other, but there was no indication that there was a formal agreement between them. And today it seems to be to a certain extent, the Israelis have continued bombing, so we seem to be in a situation that hasn't changed that much. And the latest news I've heard is that the Israeli Defense Minister Katz has announced that if Hezbollah targets towns in northern Israel, Israel would respond against Beirut, by which I presume he meant the southern suburbs of Beirut.
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Right. Because we heard yesterday that Netanyahu had ordered strikes on Beirut. And then Trump mentioned that he had told the Israelis not to march on Beirut, suggesting that ground forces were going to head towards the capital city. What was your understanding of sort of what was being threatened yesterday?
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That was quite confusing. Now, my understanding is that the Lebanese
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speaker of Parliament, Nabih Berri, the head of the Amal Shiite party, Precisely, Nabir Beri.
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What I heard is that he believed that the Israelis were planning to march on Beirut to reach as far as Beirut. I find this a little bit difficult to believe. I don't think the Israelis today have the capacity to invade half of Lebanon, given the problems they've had with their reserves, even the fact that this would really drag them into a quagmire. So I'm not sure you know, what Trump meant when he raised that issue in his Truth Social message. As I said, there's a great deal of confusion about what we're talking about here. You know, everyone read the Truth Social post by Trump. Many people are just confused about what this actually means.
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What do you think Trump can do to get Netanyahu to listen to him? There was a phone call, a pretty fiery one, between the two leaders, after which Trump said that there was going to be some sort of partial ceasefire. But we've seen the attacks continue into southern Lebanon. Is there anything that can get Bibi to back down?
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I mean, he can do a lot. The question is, is he willing to do a lot? And I think that's the real problem. I don't think Trump is willing to put a lot of pressure on Netanyahu, by which I mean, you know, the United States can restrict a certain transfer of certain armaments. The US can do a lot of things. But the reality is that I think Netanyahu understands that within the US he has enough support to push Trump onto the defensive if Trump were to raise the heats on the Israelis. The Israeli attitude has been basically the following. It's, look, you want a ceasefire, we'll go along with you, but if someone fires on us, we will retaliate. Now, the fact of the matter is that there are no guarantees that anyone is firing on the Israelis. But the Israelis could always create a pretext that they were fired upon or that they are going to be imminently fired upon as a pretext to resume the conflict. This is the major problem. And we saw this actually on April 8th, if you recall, when Israel bombed simultaneously several targets in Lebanon, killing, you know, I think over 300 people. They said that, you know, there was an imminent plan to by Hezbollah members to, you know, do something to attack, and so they launched these attacks to prevent Hezbollah from acting. Is there any evidence that's correct? In fact, there are none that I've seen. So the Israelis can always invent pretexts to basically justify any of their actions, which means that Trump will find it very difficult to impose a ceasefire on them.
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There's also a fact that Hezbollah continues to fire drones and missiles, projectiles at northern Israel and at Israeli troops operating in southern Lebanon. I think there were more missiles fired overnight into northern Israel last night. And I know the Israeli army is now investigating whether Hezbollah has now got drone capacity that might have thermal imaging capabilities because they are starting to get drone attacks at night, which hasn't happened previously in the conflict. I guess my question is, ditto re Hezbollah. Is there anyone who can restrain Hezbo? Who are they listening to within the Lebanese system?
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At the moment, they're listening to Iran. I mean, Hezbollah today is commanded by Iran. We have to differentiate between Hezbollah firing drones in Lebanon and Hezbollah firing drones against northern Israel. In Lebanon, basically, you have an Israeli occupation, and Hezbollah is always going to say, as long as someone is occupying the Lebanon, we have the right to attack them. With regard to northern Israel, what's happening there, frankly, is basically a new version of an old game. We saw this back in 1996, when essentially there was an agreement reached in Damascus where Hezbollah and the Israelis basically agreed on sort of rules and engagement between each side at the time Israel was occupying southern Lebanon. By agreeing these rules of engagement, they almost impose a certain, as I said, certain rules, sort of a deterrence agreement between each side. I think what's happening today is that the Iranians are trying to do the same thing with Israel. They want the Israelis to know that if they're going to pursue their actions in Lebanon, it's going to automatically provoke a response from Hezbollah. So both of these sides are engaged in this battle. The Iranians want to impose, as I said, rules of engagement. The Israelis want to prevent this. So in this context, it's going to be very difficult to impose something durable on the ground.
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What do you make of the fact that Trump said he had a very good call with Hezbollah representatives who also agreed to scale back fighting? That's from his Truth Social post. I don't believe that an American president has ever spoken to Hezbollah before, or have they?
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I suspect what happened is that Trump was in touch with probably Bidley or someone who had spoken with Biddy. Because Bidley is, of course, the interlocutor with Hezwallah, but I doubt very much that he spoke with anyone in the party. I think today the party is essentially led by members of the IRGC in Iran.
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Just to read out that bit of his post, I also had a conversation with representatives of the leaders of Hezbollah. Okay, so you think that representatives of the leaders. You think that's ber.
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Yes, I think so. I mean, I would suspect it's him. I mean, there aren't a hundred of them. I can't be absolutely sure. But my understanding is that Bitria has been intimately involved in this effort in collaboration with countries such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but also Egypt and Turkey. All four countries, along with Pakistan, have been working hard in recent weeks to stabilize the region. And I think they're all very much alarmed by what Israel is doing in Lebanon. And so they basically tried to persuade Trump to count the game in Lebanon to sort of, you know, try to impose some kind of an end to hostilities in Lebanon.
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I'm wondering how you would assess Hezbollah's current capabilities. They suffered quite a bit in fighting against the Israelis, the pager attacks, thinking back to that, for instance, but now they seem to be putting up quite a decent fight. So where do they stand now in terms of their firepower and their capabilities?
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The war that Hezbollah is fighting today is not a war that requires a lot. Technically, what they've done is they've perfected these very simple drones to which they've attached, you know, what are essentially rocket propelled grenades. And these drones have been very effective against the Israelis, but this doesn't require really a lot of, you know, technological prowess. So while Hezbollah was probably weakened significantly in 2024, you know, there was time for the Iranians to reorganize the party and to, in a way, focus its attention on maybe, you know, simpler weapons, but weapons that. That have proven fairly effective. In other words, previously Hezbollah made a big deal that it had precision guided missiles that could hit the major Israeli cities. Well, they haven't really used such missiles in this war. And in a way, what they've done is they've effectively drawn Israel into Lebanon, and now they're able to, you know, to hurt them, of course, at a terrible cost for Lebanon, but they're able to hurt them through these technologically very simple drones that they're using. So my point is that even if Hezbollah has been weakened, their ability to strike effectively against Israel has not been significantly weakened. Number one, they are taking losses. However, I mean, the figures that are circulating is around 1500, maybe 1500 men who have been killed. Of course, the impact, the destruction on Lebanon has been immense. But in terms of the party, it can continue to fight this kind of low level war in this way for, I think, a significant period of time.
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Can you tell us a bit more about the impact on Lebanon, the destruction? I know more than 3,000 people have been killed. So you're suggesting that the figures going around suggest about half of those are Hezbollah militants and then the other half civilians?
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Well, not necessarily, no. I think 3,000. Over 3,000 are probably civilians. Hezbollah doesn't announce it's dead. And I don't know if they're. How many of them have been counted. Probably a portion of the 3,000 are people in one way or another associated with Hezbollah, but I think a significant number were also civilians. The Israelis essentially are in the area south of the Litany. The Israelis have systematically raised villages, and I mean here, predominantly Shia villages. And the Israeli defense minister said, I think about a month and a half ago he said that the Shia would not return to southern Lebanon in the near future. There are non Shia villages. There are some Christian villages in the central region as well as the eastern region. You have Christian and Druze villages and Sunni villages that have not been razed to the ground. But by and large, the Israelis have done tremendous damage to the Shia villages south of the Litany, and they are systematically bombing towns and villages north of the Litany between the Litany river and the city of Sidon, where, you know, these areas also have a large Shia concentration. So this is really targeting one community. And I think the Israelis want to create a humanitarian crisis for the community, probably to essentially destabilize Lebanon, create conflict between the Shiite community in Hezbollah and the Lebanese state and perhaps between the Lebanese Shiite and non Shiite communities in such a way as to maintain Lebanon in a permanent state of instability in such a way that it would occupy Hezbollah's attentions for years to come.
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And how likely do you think that scenario is?
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I don't believe Lebanon, the Lebanese will go to civil war, to be honest with you. But of course, the idea of instability is going to be, is very real. I mean, you're dealing with, you know, hundreds of thousands of people whose villages and homes have been destroyed. Many of them are out of jobs, they're not working. So, you know, this is going to be a major problem to manage for both the Lebanese state and even for Hezwanda.
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That was Michael Young from the Carnegie Middle East Center In Beirut.
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We're going to take a short pause now. Coming up after the break, we'll be speaking to the head of the Norwegian Refugee Council, a humanitarian aid organization about what it looks like inside Iran at the moment.
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Welcome back. You're listening to Iran the latest with me, Sophia Yan and Venetia Rainey. We're going to take a rare trip trip inside Iran. Now on Monday evening, our colleague Roland Oliphant spoke to the Secretary General of the Norwegian Refugee Council, Jan Eglund. He's been in Tehran the last few days and told us what he's experienced. Here's their conversation.
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How long have you been in in Iran?
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Four days now. Came very, very early Friday morning. We drove all the way from Turkey. Good Lord.
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And you're in Tehran now?
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Now I'm in Tehran, yes. And leaving tomorrow.
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That's quite a drive. I mean, one of the main things I wanted to talk to you about was just what you're seeing because it's so rare we get to talk to eyewitnesses on the ground. Maybe you could just tell us about that drive from the Turkish border just entering Iran, what you saw on the way to Tehran, then we can and talk about what's in the city.
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This is a route we also used for people during the fighting when there was airspace was gone from Van in eastern Turkey, the 1100 kilometers, then to Tihara. When you travel, you know most of the buildings are fine, they are intact. Iran is a huge place. But then suddenly you see a factory, blackened, gone. Then you see a police station, blackened, gone. And then you see a former military post also completely destroyed. The worst thing to witness really is in densely populated urban areas like Tehran, that when they hit police stations, of course the next door buildings would be apartment blocks. The windows were blown in, the doors were blown in. My colleagues in NRC lived in that kind of apartments and thank God none were badly wounded, none were killed. But many lost their homes. And then there are clearly, as I witnessed myself, schools, hospitals. And then in one area I visited whole apartment blocks, five, six, seven story buildings with apartment houses completely destroyed. Why is that? I don't know. I mean, what I find is that toys and school books and sofas in the rubber.
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So you're confident those were civilian residential buildings?
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Clearly. Civilian residential buildings we cannot control. Was there anyone there? Anything there that we couldn't detect? Modern urban warfare in highly densely populated areas has an enormous toll on the civilian population. I saw that in Gaza, I saw that in Lebanon, I saw that in Syria. You cannot have thousands of impacts in areas like that without a high toll on the civilian population and violations of the basic tenets of humanitarian law.
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So you drove this long road through the mountains and so on all the way to Tehran and you saw these things along the way. You've just given us a little sense of Tehran. Just tell us a little bit about, I mean, the city. I know lots of people left Tehran during the war to avoid the bombardment. I think lots of people are coming back. I was wondering if you could give us a sense of what you're seeing in terms of living conditions on the ground, in terms of basics like running water and food and shops. I mean, is there an issue with people made homeless by the bombing?
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There are thousands of families made homeless from the bombing, probably tens of thousands altogether. But Tehran is a city of 11 million people. So you travel through the city and it's a lively, vibrant city, an enormous endless traffic jam in many ways. And then you come to a place where the whole building is gone. And then I was in government buildings for meetings with people whom we need to deal with to help the Afghan refugees here. And you see that there was no windows because they are gone because of the nearby impacts. Perhaps the number one effect now of the war is the economic crisis. Shops have been sealed off, factories have closed. Afghan men who were breadwinners have lost their income because there is no building happening at the moment. They are construction workers. The women were domestic workers because the Iranian hosts family cannot afford them anymore. So the deep economic crisis is the next wave of suffering in a place like Iran, with inflation also on top of everything.
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Could you just explain exactly what the Norwegian Refugee Council you deal with refugees, obviously. What exactly is it you're doing in Iran and who you're helping? Iran is a middle income country. It's not the poorest place in the world. Why do they need your help?
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Because Iran, indeed an oil rich middle income country, hosted four and a half million Afghan refugees, many more than Europe combined. It's the largest refugee hosting place on Earth. We came to the relief of communities that are particularly vulnerable among the Afghans, as we did in Pakistan on the other side. But there was always much less aid for the Afghans in Iran than there were in Pakistan or elsewhere. And now there are very few aid organizations left in Iran. We're the biggest non governmental organization in the country. Of course, we specialized in hard to reach areas, in difficult areas where frontline organization. And that's because the needs of the refugees and particularly vulnerable civilians.
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Could you tell us a bit about your interactions with the Iranian government and Iranian officials? How are they treating you? Are they allowing you to work? What are the requests you are making of them?
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I'll be open with you. It's not an easy place to operate. And many organizations have actually left Iran. We've been able to negotiate access. We are there in the east, where in Kerman. We're in Baluchistan, which is close to the Afghan and Pakistani borders. These are sensitive areas. We're able to operate there. We're operating with Iranian partners, local organizations. But we need permits from the government and that has taken often a lot of time. Earlier we needed to negotiate visas, we needed to negotiate memorandums of understanding, we needed to negotiate project clearance. Paradoxically, that has gone much better now of late, during this recent war and crisis. And we could identify 9,000 homeless families, Iranian and Afghan, because of the war. And we have already been giving them direct assistance, cash assistance, because they're homeless because of the war. Only two countries responded to an emergency appeal, Norway and Sweden. The other donors who profess for being so principled, have not responded. I think it's political overtones and there shouldn't be someone in need, whether they're Afghan or Iranian, civilian, in great need, should be getting assistance wherever they are.
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Wouldn't you accept that there are some serious question marks about working with a regime like the Iranian government, especially considering what they did to their own civilians in January, considering how that government uses money to wage wars in all kinds of places. Could you understand why otherwise NGOs would be deeply reluctant to operate in a place where you need their permission and you need their cooperation, which is the
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situation in so many other places as well. I mean, we're on both sides of the Sudanese conflict. No easy regimes in any of those places. Very difficult to get the permits. We do not punish Sudanese refugees, mothers, children, because they have the leaders and the regimes there. We shouldn't punish Afghan refugees for the sins of the government here, the authorities, the rulers here. The whole test is, is there abject needs that are uncovered and are we able to meet those needs? And the answer is yes in both of these cases. So I would say, why politicize aid when it goes to people in need? And in Iran and not in Palestine or in Sudan or in Colombia or Venezuela or any other of the difficult places where we operate.
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Since you're dealing with Afghan refugees and there are a very large number there. Well, this is purely, kind of anecdotally, through a friend of a friend of an Afghan family, home was destroyed by bombing. And as I understand, the complaint is they're not getting help from the States because they're Afghans. Does this sound like a familiar story? And if so, why is that?
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Among the four and a half million Afghans, there are many registered refugees or they are passport holders. Several status. We help with our legal aid work. We help them to get status. Less than half of the population are registered as refugees. If you're registered refugee, actually, you get free education and free health care. You're free to work anywhere. If you're undocumented, you fall outside of the system. You cannot register for education nor for health care. And that would be the case of these people. And, of course, there have also been deportations back to Afghanistan from Iran, especially last summer, I was myself in Afghanistan and saw the thousands coming over the border every day. That was not voluntary, but those had not received refugee status.
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Unfortunately, there's been a ceasefire for, I think, six weeks or more.
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Now.
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It sounds like we are getting closer to the war, possibly resuming. What's your sense of the mood amongst the Iranians you're speaking to about that prospect?
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People are yearning for peace here. They're yearning for some normalcy. They're yearning for the ports opening so the economy can be restarted. We will stay and deliver whatever happens we scaled up during the war. UK has been a global humanitarian leader for all of the years that I have been a humanitarian, whether I was in the UN or the Red Cross system or NSC and so on. I hope that the UK will remember that it has this civilizationary view of how to help people in dire straits elsewhere. And it's not just a question of armaments and stability in Europe now. It's also a question of stability elsewhere in the world. And that stability is gone if we are all withdrawing our investment in hope here in Iran, in Lebanon, in all of the other places where people are losing hope for a better future.
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That was Norwegian refugee council chief Jan Eglin speaking to our co host Roland Oliphant. That's all for today's episode. We'll be back again tomorrow. Until then, goodbye.
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Goodbye.
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You can stop calling now. Not a chance. Hit any look for every occasion at Men's Wearhouse. Love the way you look. Acast powers the world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend.
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C
Hello, everyone. Sarah Lane here with Roger Chang. Hey, Roger.
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B
Hello, everyone.
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C
And Tom Merritt.
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D
Hey, everybody.
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C
We wanted to give you a big update we're very excited about on our weekly product review series called Live With It.
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D
Yes, Live with it started as an occasional DTNs segment for our patrons over at patreon.com DTNs but because of such great feedback, we decided to open it up as a standalone show with even more reviewers and a wider range of products.
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B
And now, because of even greater feedback we've gotten since then, we're giving Live with it its own YouTube channel. Yay.
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It's still produced by the DTNS family of folks and friends. Nothing changes. Content wise, we'll be reviewing all the tech products, services and platforms that we think you'll care about.
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We are also leaning on all of you, our community, for ideas and suggestions. Are you thinking about a new smart speaker, Robo vacuum modular laptop, kitchen gadget, or a software purchase for your next creative project, we'll live with it, so you stay informed. We've also heard you like our show to be easier to access on YouTube, and especially easier for new subscribers to find us. So that's exactly what we're doing. Can't wait for you to join us for the next round of episodes. Subscribe now.
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B
Acast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere.
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Acast.
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E
Com.