Transcript
Jefferson Bergen (0:07)
Well, I met her at a party near the hot tub and the beer Our connection sparkled like a crystal chandelier. Her playful smile and bedroom eyes put visions in my head. But then she introduced me to the man who shares her bed. I hung my head in sorrow, turned away to fill my plate? She said, hey, baby, don't you look so sad Just ask me for a date. Well, my man and I just don't subscribe to guilt or jealousy. So I took her invitation and the rest is history. I don't care if my preacher and my friends don't understand. Sometimes love works better with an extra ampersand. Well, I know it ain't perfect, but I'm taking it in hand. Cause she's my favorite woman and I'm her second favorite man.
Dixie de La Tour (1:36)
Hey there and welcome to the Bawdi storytelling podcast. I'm sexual folklorist Dixie de La Tour, and this time we're going to talk about the power of the triangle. The love triangle, that is. But before we get down to business, I got an important question to ask you. Have you supported our patreon yet? Patreon.com is a way to support the projects that you love. It's kind of like subscribing to them. You know, you subscribe to magazines, magazines. You subscribe to things that you want on the regular, like this podcast. And so go to patreon.com spelled P A T R E O-N dot com. It's like being a patron of the arts. And click to support us at whatever level you can. If it's a buck, if it's 50 bucks, every little bit helps us to continue doing what we're doing. We have been operating on faith for a while, and you can help us get back bigger and better by supporting us. Go to patreon.com click that button and you'll get more body than you ever thought possible. Is that possible? That's not possible. Our first story on our love triangle episode is from someone who used to fly in from Dallas, Texas to come see body storytelling in San Francisco all the time and dreamed of getting on our stage. And she was so in love with the format and what we create. The sex positive vibe, the open accepting nature of the event, that eventually she got up her nerve and she pitched me and she's now been on my stage a number of times. She is the co founder of the Intimacy Dojo. She now lives in the San Francisco Bay area. And our first story is from Kathy Bartuli.
Kathy Bartuli (3:49)
So we're laying there, the three of us, in post orgasmic bliss. The two guys I'm with were all sweaty and panting and they look so satisfied. And I'm laying there wondering, should I have stayed home and baked a pie? There's three things you should know about me to make the story make sense. In the family I grew up in, there were some rules. And one of them was that you never ever showed up to a family gathering with a store bought pie. You always baked it from scratch. And if you didn't, it disrespected the whole family. To a woman, a good woman would always keep her man no matter what. She'd do whatever she needed. And if she didn't, she was a failure. She was undesirable and just not enough. And she was kind of shamed by the whole family. And three, sex was between a man and a woman, only two at a time. Anything else was deviant, perverted, and probably shunned by the family. And the little I knew about homosexual sex was that it was barren, stark and lonely. No emotions involved. So I grew up in upstate New York. It was kind of racist. I didn't know that at the time, but when I brought my first boyfriend home, he was Asian and the neighbors were talking to my dad like, why did she bring a Brownie home? Why is she dating a Brownie? And I didn't even know what that meant. And my boyfriend, he was wonderful. He kind of looked like George Takei with a flat top. Real sweet, loving guy. And we met in China. We were both exchange students there. And, and we met, we fell in love, we started a relationship. And about 10 months after I met him, one of his friends took me aside and said, just want you to let you know that Dean, he's played with men before. I don't want you to get too attached. I was like, oh my, I'd never heard of anything like this. I was horrified. And I went to him and I said, dean, what's going on? Is this true? And he said, oh, don't worry, it was just a phase. I was curious. It's out of my system. I was like, oh, okay, that's good. And we got deeper in love and we moved back to the States and we had a long distance relationship until he graduated. And then he moved out to New York with me and we moved in and we got this adorable little one bedroom apartment. We decorated it together, we had friends and family over, we entertained. And he got me a ring. And my life was finally looking like I thought it was supposed to. Until one day he came to me. And he said, kathy, we need to talk. And I said, about what? He said, do you remember that time in China we talked about me fooling around with men? And I said, yeah. You said it was a phase. He said, I lied. It was. I really am attracted to men. I've been fooling around, having anonymous sex this whole time and I still am. And I think I'm gay. And I didn't know what to say. I was speechless. I couldn't breathe. And I said, but we're engaged. And he said, yeah, I'm Catholic, I love you. I want to be in our relationship. I don't want to tell my parents that I love men, but I really think I might be gay. And I didn't want to be alone. I didn't want to be a failure. And I was desperate. I went back to the family motto and I said, don't worry, we're going to figure this out. And so we both cried a lot and we both talked a lot and we didn't know what to do. We tried fantasizing a little bit. We would pretend that I was a man or pretend that there was a man in bed with us. And that seemed to help, but it didn't. I could tell he was still miserable, but I didn't want the relationship to end. So one day after sex, I blurted out, what if we had a threesome with a guy? Would that help? And he said, maybe, I'm willing to try. So we kind of figured out what we were going to do and how we were going to do it. And as fate would have it, the first time the two of us could go to the gay bar together was the night before Thanksgiving when we were supposed to go to. I was supposed to bake pies to go to my family's house. And there was this conflict. I wanted to keep my relationship, but I also want to shame my family. So being inexperienced in the criminal arts of lying, I came up with this brilliant plan that if he would confess to dropping these imaginary home baked pies so that we could go to the store and buy them, I would be willing to go with him and try to have a threesome. He agreed and our criminal pact was sealed with his lust and my codependency. And we got in the car and we drove off. It was an hour to the nearest bar. It was in Ithaca. It was called the Haunt, up on the Hill, kind of divey place. And we went in and we were having drinks at the bar and looking around, trying to see who might be A good prospect for this. And after a while, we noticed this guy that looked kind of like James Franco. Kind of stylized beard, dark hair, very suave looking, dancing. And we were like, maybe. And we went over and we were dancing near him and we were like chit chat, like, hi, good night. Oh, I like the music. And then Dean asked him if he could buy a drink. Buy him a drink. So we were sitting at the bar and we made some more very awkward chit chat. And then Dean blurted out, have you ever had a threesome? And I called him. James said, well, yes, I have. Would you like one? So we agreed and he suggested we follow him home so we could leave in the morning. And we followed him down 20 minutes down the hill to downtown Ithaca, this really pretty two story house. And he took us to this finished basement with white walls and very nice modern art. Kind of a posh black leather sofa. He made us drinks and Dean and I sat on the couch and pretended like we did this all the time. And James sat between us and he was kind of stroking our hair and our arms and helping us relax. And then he leaned over and he kissed. Dean and I had never seen two men kiss before. I don't think I even knew they did kiss. I think in my mind, heterosexual sex didn't include any kissing or tenderness. And it blew my mind. And I also turned my body on to watch. And my brain was just kind of spinning like, I can't believe I'm doing this. And then they both turned around and they were kissing me and they were alternating. And James had this coarse beard that was a nice contrast to Dean's smooth face. And there are different styles of kissing, and I was getting really into it, even while my brain's going bad, bad, don't do this. So after we fooled around for a while, James suggested we disrobe. So we undressed each other and we stood there awkwardly. We didn't know what to do. I think James was kind of like, oh, newbies. He was like, how about you guys suck my dick? And that kind of fit in my mindset of what a threesome was. So I was like, okay. And honestly, I'd always been really insecure about giving blowjobs because I had never had anyone to talk to about it. And I didn't like. It just felt very strange. So we were. I was kind of watching and it was like, as an engineer, I'm like, oh, really? Oh, you can do that. Wow. So it was really fun and it was really hot to get to touch Dean's. Lips around the sky's hot cock and get to experience and try things out. And then James is like, I think we should fuck now. And we stood up and we're like, okay. And he's like, okay, Kathy, you sit on the edge of the couch. Dean, you face her and I'll get the lube. And we're like, okay. And it started off kind of awkwardly, but then it got really hot, like to have the different rhythms as Dean thrust into me and then James thrust into him. And then they kind of got in sync for a while and it was all this powerful energy and it was really dynamic. And I was also noticing that the energy between Dean and James was very different than anything I'd experienced with Dean. I'd always thought that we had a really good sex life. I thought it was pretty spicy in the narrow confines of what we thought was okay. But it wasn't anything like what they were experiencing. And this Dean was the first person that I'd ever slept with, the first person I ever loved and thought we were supposed to be together forever. And I was watching this and thinking, what's going on? Who am I? What am I doing here? And it still felt really good. So I was getting really turned on and I came really hard. And when I came, I clamped down on Dean's cock and he came. And then a few strokes later, James came and they kind of collapsed down on top of me. And it was this delicious warm weight of two bodies and the breath and the heartbeats going really fast and it was really nice. After a couple minutes they rolled off to the side and they were spooning right next to me. And I was really aware of the tenderness between them. And I felt very cold and very alone. And I got up to go to the restroom to clean up and I looked over my shoulder and I saw them kissing over Dean's shoulder. And I just. The tenderness was so evident. I went in the restroom, I closed the door and I looked in the mirror and I was like, who is this person I didn't know who was looking back at me? I don't lie to my parents. I don't show up with store bought goods. I don't do these wildly deviant things and I don't enjoy them. And I certainly don't convince someone to stay with me, someone I love to stay with me when it's wrong for them. I think my heart broke a little bit in that moment because I realized I was never going to be what he needed. I think I was kind of Short when I came out of the restroom, Dean, we got to go. We've got to go buy some pies. And we left. And a couple hours sleep and a shower later we drove the hour and a half to my grandparents and everybody ran out like they always do. And they gave us hugs and they said they loved us and how was our trip? And unloaded the car. And I still remember my grandmother's face when I handed her the store bought pies. And that plot with the plastic covers and the fake whipped cream. What is this? Dean dropped the pies. I had to buy them. And to this day I haven't told them that I lied about it. I guess if they watch my YouTube channel they'll find out. A couple months later, Dean and I did break up. We decided that he should find a relationship that was right for him. And not long after that, I kissed a woman for the first time and broke down some more beliefs that I had. And I look back at that night and I wonder, what if I had stayed home and baked that pie? I don't think I'd be poly or queer. I don't think I'd have a patent and a PhD and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be here with all of you amazing perverts.
