Part Two: Dr. Sleep: The Australian Psychiatrist Who Made People Sleep Themselves To Death

Summary

Behind the Bastards

Part Two: Dr. Sleep – The Australian Psychiatrist Who Made People Sleep Themselves To Death

Podcast: Behind the Bastards
Host: Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts
Date: March 5, 2026
Guest: Gabe Dunn

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Episode Overview

Part Two continues the chilling exploration of Dr. Harry Bailey, the charismatic yet horrifying Australian psychiatrist notorious for his use of "deep sleep therapy" — a treatment that left a trail of death, brain damage, and scandal at Sydney's Chelmsford Private Hospital in the 1960s and ‘70s. Host Robert and guest Gabe Dunn dissect Bailey's character, the devastating patient stories, the systemic failures that enabled his crimes, and the bizarre twists involving the Church of Scientology’s botched whistleblowing. The episode interrogates how professional power can corrupt, the complicity of institutions, and the culture of misogyny and ableism in mid-century psychiatric care.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Persona of Dr. Bailey

• Charming but Deeply Flawed: Bailey was reportedly charismatic and well-dressed, "able to convince large numbers of his colleagues and many patients that he's totally legitimate. Not only legitimate, but a really good physician" [04:57].
• Manipulative and Narcissistic: Colleagues noted his penchant for unnecessary lying and exaggeration, even about his own legitimate work:

  "He would lie to patients about some of his successes...to convince people to do his treatment." [07:30]

• Sexual Misconduct: Had "a reputation for making sexually inappropriate comments to or regarding female patients" [08:27]. Discussion reflects on the rampant sexism of the era and how such behavior was tolerated.
• Cult Leader Energy: Bailey inspired extreme loyalty among both staff and romantic partners — "dictatized them," as Robert jokes [10:52].
  Gabe compares Bailey's effect to cult leaders like Keith Raniere or Charles Manson [11:20].

2. Pseudoscience and Dangers of Deep Sleep Therapy (DST)

• No Scientific Rationale: Bailey likened DST to “switching off a television”—the hope being that "the brain, by shutting down for an extended period, would unlearn habits that led to depression, addiction and other psychiatric conditions" [54:15].

  "I was joking. You really think it’s just like...have you tried turning it off and on again?" – Gabe, [54:18]

• Extreme and Unethical Practices:
  • Lengthening Treatments for Profit: Normal DST course was 10–14 days, but some patients were kept under for up to 39 days [56:22].
  • Combining Therapies Without Consent: Pairing DST with electroconvulsive therapy (ECT), performing psychosurgeries, and even inserting metal plates in patients' skulls without their knowledge [18:09–20:29].
• Grotesque Stories:
  • 13-year-old girl with anorexia given DST and ECT without anesthetic or consent; left with brain damage [17:21].
  • Woman discovers metal plates in her head nearly two decades after “treatment” [19:29].
• Pervasive Lack of Informed Consent:
  • Patients often signed forms while deeply sedated:

    "You absolutely cannot consent to surgery when you are woken up and still on enough barbiturates to drop a fucking mule." [22:45]

3. Systemic Cover-ups and Enabling Culture

• Regulatory Failure: Ongoing staff complaints, coroner reports, and direct appeals to government officials were ignored due to institutional inertia and a reluctance to scrutinize a profitable, “award-winning” hospital [30:01, 47:36].
• Culture of Dismissal: Gabe and Robert reflect on the ableist and misogynist attitudes that facilitated patient abuse:

  "There’s this deep mistrust...unless you’re moving the exact way, or your temperament is the exact way, then people are deeply off put by you." – Gabe [40:54]

4. Victim Stories and Medical Atrocities

• Craig McKay (14-years-old):
  • Four months in DST for depression following blindness, electrocuted and neglected; died, cause listed as bronchopneumonia [33:01–35:19].
  • Bailey’s solution? Billing parents for over 1100 sedative doses after killing their son [37:56].
• Adult Victims:
  • Jim Lawlor: "What's been done to me shouldn't be done to a dog" [39:05].
  • Mother with postnatal depression: "Next thing I knew, I woke up three weeks later unable to remember my children's names" [40:05].
  • Toni Lamond: Well-known entertainer who lost both memory and job after a 10-day induced coma sold as healing; "I wasn't even angry I got fired, because my brain wasn't working at all" [63:07].
• Grisly Statistics: Mortality rate for DST patients exceeded 3.5%; 24–27 direct deaths, 19 suicides within a year post-therapy, hundreds left brain damaged [43:18, 67:47]. One source suggests up to 183 deaths and 977 cases of brain damage, though figures are disputed [71:31].

5. The Church of Scientology and the Whistleblowing Fiasco

• Scientology's Involvement:
  • Ex-nurse Rosa Nicholson smuggled records to the Church of Scientology, which used them to attack the psychiatric profession broadly [73:38–74:54].
  • This inadvertently harmed legitimate victims’ legal cases, enabling Chelmsford to accuse complainants of acting as Scientology agents [77:21].

  "Surprise. Second villain. The Church's Scientology with a steel chair." – Host [74:56]

6. Bailey's Downfall and Legacy

• Personal Unraveling:
  • Staff go from loyal to fearful as Bailey's behavior grows erratic (insisting on being called "God" [79:30]), and reporting delusions—claimed to be a Martian [80:15].
• Criminal and Civil Accountability:
  • Lawsuits, a 60 Minutes exposé, and a royal commission finally bring public scrutiny.
  • Facing imminent legal consequences, Bailey dies by suicide in 1985 with a note blaming "the forces of evil" and Scientology [88:00].
• Systemic Reform:
  • The scandal triggers reforms in psychiatric regulation in New South Wales and shapes Australia's mental health care protections.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bailey's Character:

  "Bailey was always well dressed...both a cherub-faced charmer and prone to occasional drunken rages." – Host [06:10]

• On the Ethics of DST:

  "You have to be very careful with benzos and trauma...if you're just keeping them barred out for 28 days...they're not working through anything, they're gone." – Host [55:07]

• On Patient Consent:

  "Even if you say yes and sign a piece of paper...you have no idea what you’ve done. That is not consent." – Host [22:43]

• On Institutional Complicity:

  "We knew patients were dying unnecessarily...Bailey brought in too much money for the hospital." – Whistleblower nurse [47:36]

• On Outcomes for Victims:

  “For a lot of these people, the day they walked into Dr. Bailey's office was the worst mistake they ever made. But for him, it was Tuesday.” – Host [65:13]

• On Reform (and its limits):

  "The commission...was very unsparing about how bad Bailey was...but then at the end is like, also, none of the patients or victims get damages because, like, they waited too long to report anything." – Host [90:38]

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Important Timestamps

• Bailey's Personality, Colleague Impressions: 04:57–07:30
• Sexual Misconduct and 1960s Medical Culture: 08:27–11:20
• First DST Deaths & Coverups: 28:52–30:55
• Notorious Patient Stories:
  • 13-year-old treated w/ DST & ECT: 17:21–18:20
  • Plates in patient skulls: 19:29–20:29
  • Story of Craig McKay: 31:01–37:56
  • Adult survivor testimonies: 39:05–40:26
  • Toni Lamond’s experience: 57:51–64:23
• DST Death Rates and Medical Rationale: 43:18, 54:15–56:00
• Scientology’s Role: 73:38–77:21
• Bailey's Breakdown & Suicide: 79:30–88:12
• Posthumous Reform & Denial of Damages: 90:13–91:34

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Tone and Style

The tone blends grim humor, empathy for victims, and righteous anger. Robert and Gabe oscillate between incredulity, frustration, and dark comedy, using banter to process the horror. The hosts frequently call out the misogyny, institutional failures, and perverse incentives underlying both historical and contemporary health systems.

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Conclusion: Why This Matters

This episode exposes not just a monstrous doctor, but the institutional rot, societal prejudices, and loopholes that perpetuated his crimes for over a decade. By connecting the dots between charisma, systemic failures, and the “confluence of ableism, misogyny, sexism, ego," the show provides a cautionary lesson on the dangers of unchecked power in fields meant to heal.

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Further Listening

The episode is part of a multi-part series on Dr. Bailey; listeners are encouraged to check out Part One for additional context.

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Content warning: Extreme medical abuse, sexual misconduct, institutional corruption, child harm, suicide.

Transcript

[Robert]

Call zone media.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Welcome back to behind the Bastards, a podcast filmed in front of a live studio audience. If the words live studio audience refer to the other people in my Airbnb who can probably hear me through the door. We are giving our part two on doctor Sleep. Harry Bailey, the Australian doctor who slept people to death, kind of. And our guest in this episode, as in last episode, is Gabe Dunn. Gabe, welcome to the show.

[Gabe Dunn]

Thank you so much. I'm a huge fan. In case people didn't hear the first one, which would be a weird thing for them to do. Yeah, I'm a huge fan. I love this show. I'm so excited to be here.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, Abe, we got a little. We like to do a little warm up before every episode. You know, where we just like ask a little question so the audience can get to know the guest better. Where were you on the night of May 17, 2007?

[Gabe Dunn]

I was a freshman in college, so probably. Oh, probably in Boston. Probably with a boyfriend who is cheating on me. But I don't know if he specifically cheated on me on that day.

[Robert]

Many such cases.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Just take this down. Gabe denies being present during murder. Okay, we'll just move on then. Great. So are you ready for part two?

[Gabe Dunn]

Boston. The murder.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

A lot of murders do.

[Robert]

Again, Boston.

[Gabe Dunn]

You know what? Touche. Touche. Touche.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

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[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So it's probably time to talk about what Dr. Bailey was like to work with and to go to. As a patient or a parent. As a patient, Right. What's this guy like as a colleague, as a boss, and as your doctor? He was obviously a charming man, very charismatic. And this is obvious because he was able to convince large numbers of his colleagues and many patients that he's totally legitimate. Right? Not only legitimate, but a really good physician. And, you know, he's got a talent for displaying himself and portraying himself in a way that makes People think he is trustworthy. Right.

[Gabe Dunn]

I don't trust anyone who seems trustworthy.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

That's a good. Right, Right. Like when I need someone to like watch my car or my cat for a weekend. Like I make my way through the. To the most windowless strip club in Portland and I find a guy sitting in the back who's obviously carrying an illegal concealed weapon. And I give him the keys to my house, you know, because he looks so shady. He's obviously a good guy. That's what the Home Alone movies taught us.

[Gabe Dunn]

That is what it taught us. No, I just mean if you like, if you're like a celebrity, if you're like someone who's like Tom Hanks. What's Tom Hanks up to? I don't trust that guy.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Neither do the QAnon people. Tom Hanks is the deep state.

[Gabe Dunn]

Very true. Very true.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So, yeah, he's a charming guy. Multiple people who knew him all noted that Harry Bailey was always well dressed. And as his career went on, he was able to afford fine tailored suits. He was, as the Australian Encyclopedia of Biography notes, both a cherub faced charmer and prone, to quote occasional drunken rages. There's not enough detail about those occasional drunken rages. Unfortunately, we do not have nearly the context I'd like to have on this guy's drunken rages.

[Gabe Dunn]

There are two wolves that live inside you.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. And I kind of reading between the lines, I think both his wife and some of his nurses put up with his occasional drunken rages. Right. That he sometimes. Sometimes is a real problem.

[Gabe Dunn]

You're at work, drunk as a doctor,

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

well dressed, chubic maybe. I can't say that. Like there's just very little detail on this, but kind of from other things people have said, I kind of think maybe he at least maybe it was because it may have just been like work parties and stuff that sometimes he got too drunk at. Right. Okay, that's happening.

[Gabe Dunn]

Fuck Mary, kill cherubic, well dressed drunken rage.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Let's see. Fuck well dressed. Marry drunken rage. Marry drunken rage and kill the cherub. Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

Okay. Wow. Didn't see that coming.

[Robert]

I did. I fear I did.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So he also has a tendency to lie. This is noted by his colleagues and some peers pretty early on. Like a lot. And weirdly, in situations where it's not necessary and often to exaggerate stuff that he definitely did, like he'd do something positive or that was seen as positive, and then he would lie about it to make it seem even like a bigger deal. So people notice this about him too. I really listen to him being a salesman, you know? Right, right. And some of this is, like, his colleagues and some of the people who work with him will note that, like, oh, he'll lie to Patience about some of his successes and things like that's. He's not mostly lying. He's lying some of his colleagues, but he's lying a lot to convince people to do his treatment. Right. Like, he's lying about how well this stuff works to get them in the bed. Right. Now, speaking of getting them in bed, Dr. Harry Bailey was also a man you would describe as irresponsibly horny and in some cases, perhaps illegally horny. The authors of the Chelmsford blog note that he had, quote, a reputation for making sexually inappropriate comments to or regarding female patients.

[Gabe Dunn]

So that's where that sleep stuff gets real creepy.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Just wait, Gabe. And again, this is. If you're wondering, like, well, why didn't this cause a problem before? It's the 60s. He is probably. I would be shocked if much less than half of practicing male doctors in this period had a reputation for making sexually inappropriate comments to patients.

[Gabe Dunn]

Do you want to hear?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Maybe. Maybe it wasn't that high, but I bet it was.

[Gabe Dunn]

My. My grandfather was such a square. He was a doctor around that time, and he. My grandmother's. And like, my dad, when all these people in our family said that he was, like, not really liked. Because if another doctor, married doctor, was, like, having an affair with, like, a nurse or something, he would just. He would be like, I. He would ice him. He'd be like, I hate that guy. Like, yeah. And all the other doctors would be like, boo. Like, this is what we do. We're fun. And he was like, the guy being like, hey, we shouldn't do this, guys.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Can you believe he's got a problem with Dr. Every Nurse? My God, can you believe it? That's his. Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

I gotta think the other. Like, he didn't have a lot of friends because he would be like, I can't hang out with that guy. He's immortal.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I can't hang out with you. You're a sex pest. Yeah, that does. Every now and then, like, you got some of this during, like, MeToo, where there would be. You would find out, because usually you found out, oh, the celebrity that I like or kind of like, kept his mouth shut, knew about Weinstein. But every now and then you'd find out about one who was like, from the jump, like, no, fuck this guy. I won't work with him. And it was usually someone Who? You're like, oh, I wonder why their career hadn't taken off more. Oh. Cause they had ethics. Ah, okay.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Cause they were mean to the rapists. Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

My grandpa wasn't climbing the ranks at the hospital.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Right, right, right. Yeah. Why do you want to stop everybody from having fun? You know? And that's the kind of doctor. That's how Bailey is. And again, that's also how he's seen. This is not immediately seen as a problem by a lot of people in his profession, because the problem is widespread in the profession now. That said, an interesting thing about him is it's noted in several of my sources that both his wife and a lot of his mistresses, many of the women he had affairs with, showed incredible loyalty to him over the years.

[Robert]

He dictatized them.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Something about this guy, it's not just like, the women. He's romantic with a lot of his staff, too. Something about this guy, he really does inspire a lot of loyalty in the people close to him.

[Robert]

So it's not just the woman he's sleeping with. It's beyond that. So he's not diplomatizing.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. It's not just the dick stuff. Right. More has to be happening. He has to be giving these people something out of a relationship that they value, even though his wife, like, leaves him eventually for cheating on him, you know?

[Gabe Dunn]

Sure, sure. It's like. It's like Keith Ranieri, Manson. It's like that kind of shit.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Or just. I've known men and women who cheated constantly on partners that they were with and were also really pleasant and nice people outside of that, who were very well liked and who even their partners or former partners who got pissed at them eventually would be friends with them again, because they're just really charming people who can't fucking control themselves around consensual sex. And maybe that's kind of what's going on with this guy, is that he's just likable in person for a long time.

[Gabe Dunn]

That's crazy.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I kind of think that is the case to a lot of people. I mean, some people do note, wow, these drunken rages aren't great, but a lot of people are able to put up with them, and it's because he's giving them something, like providing them something socially that they value. So I don't know. It's an interesting guy. Right. Something going on that makes this work for him.

[Gabe Dunn]

I feel like it's narcissism, but I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor putting people to sleep in the 60s. What do I know?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I'm sure that plays a role. I don't know. But he's also just very charismatic. He's got the riz. Yeah. One of his colleagues, who's later implicated in some of his criminal behavior, Dr. John Heron, described Bailey as, quote, a man of strong character and dogmatic opinion, but a man who understood scientific theory and the scientific method. This is a weird statement a little bit, because what he's saying here is that, like, Dr. Bailey has a strong personality and when he comes to an opinion about something, it's kind of unbreakable. If he's convinced of something, he doesn't get unconvinced of it. But he's also a really good scientist who understands the scientific method. And like, you kind of can't be both of those things. You can't be a kind of guy who just makes up his mind no matter what countervailing evidence shows up, and also be a really strong practitioner of the scientific method because kind of the whole point of the scientific method is like, you got to kill your darlings.

[Gabe Dunn]

You know, I learned that in fifth grade.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. This really seems like it should work, but it doesn't. So we're going to stop doing it is what good scientists and doctors did with deep sleep therapy. Dr. Bailey can't do that. So I should also note that the fact that he cannot change course once he starts going down a path. This is not just relevant with his embrace of deep sleep therapy because Dr. Bailey also becomes a leading proponent of psychosurgery, which is, you know, brain surgery is a treatment for various problems. Right.

[Gabe Dunn]

Lobotomies.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

He is not giving lobotomies, thankfully, I'll say that.

[Gabe Dunn]

What is he doing?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

What is he doing? So modern day psychosurgery is. These are generally very like targeted and kind of minimalist, like physical impact operations directly on the brain to deal with like, treatment resistant disorders. Right. Like today, a lot of the focus is we want to have as little of physical impact as possible. Right. We want to be doing really targeted work because it's very dangerous to fuck around with this stuff. Psychosurgery is a little bit more of the Wild west in Dr. Bailey's time and day. Right. And he's also convinced that homosexuality is an illness and an illness that can be cured by psychosurgery. So he does prescribe brain surgery to a lot of gay people.

[Gabe Dunn]

That was the one thing he was right about. Everybody knows that.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Everybody knows that. Yeah. Now, as I stated, his patients Are at first, in the early days very loyal to him in a way that bordered for some people kind of on seemed like drug dependency, which it may have been. Cause some people do really regularly come in for re up bouts of sleep therapy. And part of me is like, are they just addicted? You know, part of the loyalty, at least the short term loyalty that a lot of his patients have is that he's selling them an answer to their worst and most intractable problems. Right? You got a child or you got a close relative who's suffering from constant psychotic breaks, right? It's a huge problem. It can fuck up an entire. It's a really big issue. And someone says two weeks of sleep and they'll be back to normal. They'll be back to the, you know, the version of themselves you remember. If a doctor sits down and looks you in the eye and promises you that and his walls filled with awards, you're probably going to say, okay, do it right. You know, likewise, why not? Yeah. And if you're, if it's you going in and your anxiety is so bad that you can't even sleep anymore and it's ruined your fucking life, Dr. Bailey will put it like hold you and tell you it's going to be okay. And then the second he can, he will drug you into unconsciousness and start performing surgery and shit on you.

[Robert]

So he doesn't think he can sleep. So he doesn't think you can sleep the gay away, but he thinks you can. He can chop it out of you because.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

And I don't know that he did this, but it kind of sounds like he thinks if maybe he could knock you out and then surgery the gay away, but I can't find it. I don't know that he actually did this.

[Gabe Dunn]

Well, they tried to do that to me, but I just ended up transferring so we had to scratch it. It's very delicate procedure and yeah, he did a little slip.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Incredible. So the Chelmsford blog notes that as far as Dr. Bailey was concerned, he had many loyal independent patients, yet would often make callous comments about them in private circles. This guy's after his death. Yeah, he's again, he's, he's promising these people everything. Like they will talk about how compassionate he seemed to and then he'll be like, can you believe these fucking losers? You know, there's a royal commission report after his death that aggregates accounts from a bunch of his co workers, employees and patients. And this report concludes that he was quote, two faced, devious, dissembling and unprincipled and I feel like now that we've set his personality up more, let's talk about what all this stuff means in practice. What is he doing to his patients? One of his early patients was a 13 year old girl who was admitted suffering symptoms of anorexia nervosa. She was placed, placed into a drug induced coma and strapped naked to a chair. Then the treatment began, per an article in Reuters by Australian journalist Michael Perry. Just after midnight a doctor entered the ward. Moments later, her body rudely awakened from a drug induced coma, thrust violently upwards as a ball of electricity surged through it. It happened 10 times in two weeks without anesthetic, without her consent, and without the knowledge of her parents. Eventually she was discharged with brain damage, but she is one of the lucky ones because she survived. Cool.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh my God.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

What year is this?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

13 year old girl, no anesthetic, no consent, huh?

[Gabe Dunn]

What year is this?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I think 63 or 64. He starts practicing deep sleep theory at Chelmsford in 63. I think this, this is a fairly early patient, man. Yeah, I mean that's.

[Gabe Dunn]

How do we know, how do we know that that's what happened? Who, who told.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Because they take, they take, Doc. They document it like they're taking, they're keeping notes and stuff. Like these are patients, they're being treated. You know, the files are not right. Yeah, like all, like, they're not always providing the files to the regulators they're supposed to and stuff, but they are taking note about what they're doing. It's not just random. Okay. Yeah. Bailey started practicing deep sleep therapy as I said in 63, and as you're all now well aware, he often paired it with electroshock therapy. But he also experimented with other kinds of serious medical procedures. Like I said, he's into psychosurgery and he doesn't always get consent from his patients before he, he performs surgery on them. In 1966, Glen Witte, age 28, went to Chelmsford for DST. She woke up after several days under and went on with her life. She seems to have felt that it maybe helped. I don't actually have an account from her saying how she felt about it, but she goes on with her life. She doesn't seem to have a complaint initially. Eighteen years later, one day a lump appears on the size of her head and it grows to the size of an egg. So she's like, what the fuck is happening here? And after a couple of days, the lump splits open and a metal plate falls out.

[Gabe Dunn]

Shut the fuck Up.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, cool stuff.

[Gabe Dunn]

This is some body horror fucking Cronenberg ass shit.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, this is some fucking Tetsuo Iron man bullshit. The next year, another metal plate emerged, right? And she has no explanation for what the fuck has happened other than that these must have been surgically inserted to her at Chelmsford. Elaine Gainsborough, who visited Chelmsford the same year as Glen Witty, also told Reuters that she had four met plates inserted into her skull. She was not informed that this had been done and only found out that this has been done nine years later because a pin holding one of the plates to the bone broke. She started experiencing difficulty speaking after this and blames whatever the fuck Dr. Bailey did to her for that. As Witty told Reuters, we called Dr. Bailey the science professor because he was experimenting on all us. We are all damaged, brain damaged. And she blames that on his little horror hospital, I don't know.

[Gabe Dunn]

Frankenstein ass. Okay, wait. Okay. You have metal in your head. You don't know you're hit by lightning or you don't know. You go through metal detector, you got to know there's metal in you.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Or a fucking MRI that can kill you. You can't put metal in people and not tell them.

[Gabe Dunn]

You sure can't.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

And it's, it's, it's wild. I like, I don't know why he did this. These are both, I think, from the same year. Like 64, was it?

[Gabe Dunn]

I would like to note that all of these are men, which I understand that doctors largely were. And the three test subjects you've thus spoken about are young women.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Uh huh. Lot of his patients are women. Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, shocking women. Pun intended. I guess.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So I don't know, like why he did this, but it does kind of. He may have stopped after 63. This may have been an experiment where he was like, I wonder if this will help for some reason this case. And it didn't. And so he stops doing it. At least I don't. These are the only accounts I found of people claiming that this happened to them. And they're both from 63. So maybe he stops doing this, but he's doing other stuff, right? This shows you he's perfectly willing to experiment in very invasive ways on people's bodies without their consent.

[Gabe Dunn]

No. Okay.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Now, in the early years when something like it wasn't always a plate, but patients would find out he'd done something to them that they had not been told about that they hadn't consented to, and they would complain, which is a normal thing to do, right? And in this whenever they did, they were told, oh no, you don't remember. Well, here's the paper you signed. You know, we woke you up to feed you and asked if we could do this and you said yes and you signed the paper. But of course you're barred the fuck out. You have no idea what you've done. So this is something that happened periodically throughout the days and weeks that people were kept unconscious. They generally did not remember their conscious moments because again, their brains were drenched in barbiturates. Today, no reputable doctor or facility would consider this proper consent. You absolutely cannot consent to surgery when you are woken up and still on enough barbiturates to drop a fucking mule. Right? That is not consent. Even if you say yes and sign a piece of paper and your signature

[Gabe Dunn]

is just like looping down the whole paper, just going down the whole paper line. Yeah, yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Now this is also, and I should note at the time, this should have been a problem, but it wasn't. This is not even at the time considered to be great medical ethics. But it's also not considered bad enough that anyone does anything right? Like nothing gets referred. Like nothing makes it to a point where he has to suffer consequences. So people aren't taking this seriously. And he is getting reported to regulators and to the government. So there are choices being made by professionals in the Australia who are supposed to be regulating the medical industry that when patients complain about stuff like this, his answer is sufficient. Now they signed a paper. They're just crazy. Crazy people never remember things. Here's the signature. You know, thanks for coming in, Dr. Bailey. Sorry, we knew it was bullshit. I mean, he's crazy broads. Am I right? You know, it's, it's shit like that is happening all the time. That's how he's getting away with it. Right?

[Gabe Dunn]

I suspect they know that it's not good, but they don't want to deal with what that, what that would cause to the medical community.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

And we'll, we'll talk more about why he's allowed to get away with this. But you know what you can get away with? Listeners.

[Robert]

Wow.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

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[Gabe Dunn]

Oh God.

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[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

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[Robert]

I rested.

[Gabe Dunn]

They didn't want me. I forced it.

[Robert]

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[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

The recruiter promised me I could serve in Hawaii. I don't know why the Washington State highway patrols there, but I know so many guys who went to fucking Iraq and Afghanistan because when they were 17, some guy was like, yeah, you'll get to go to Hawaii. Oh my God, of course you won't be fighting, son.

[Gabe Dunn]

That's what they're telling Border Patrol right now, right?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. So as I've said, there is a strain running across the psychiatric profession. And I'm not saying those are the only doctors who have this problem, but it's. We're talking about that today. And there's a strain of if only we could just do whatever we know is best to these irksome patients who always gotta ask questions and say no to stuff. Right? That's a big thing for a lot of psychs. And so the first complaints against Dr. Bailey go nowhere. And this remains true even when he gets a child killed. Obviously people die sometimes in deep sleep therapy. Remember the first study on this has a 12% fatality rate and deaths had happened to Dr. Bailey from the start of his clinic. Right. And Dr. Sargent had gotten people killed over in the UK. Chelmsford's first death of a DST patient occurred in 1963. The first year that it was operating and doing this therapy. That death was marked down as death by misadventure. Which is a weird way to say you gave someone an over a fatal overdose in a hospital, but there was no investigation.

[Gabe Dunn]

I've heard death by misadventure used before.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, I don't know that I'd call it that.

[Gabe Dunn]

Great name for a book though, yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Oh, absolutely. So it turns out that, you know, death is kind of an unavoidable when you're pounding people's nervous systems with enough downers to fuck up an elephant. By 1969, per a very good article in the Sydney Morning Herald, quote, Bailey and Heron had been sending patients to Chelmsford for a good rest for six years. Ten had died as their bodies collapsed under the weight of massive Drug dosages and ect. Others would suffer terrifying hallucinations and wake up naked in their own urine and feces. And a mixed sex ward. So not a great.

[Gabe Dunn]

Holy shit. And the hallucinations, like, don't really go like. I'm sure they're, they're kind of like permanent. There's things that are permanent even though you're alive.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. I don't think, I don't know that the lose. But there are permanent. I mean, for one thing, if you're not moving physically in a coma for like two or three weeks, that causes long term health issues. You have to go to rehab to get.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yes.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Like move. Right. Again, it's bad to not move for several weeks at a time.

[Gabe Dunn]

Right.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So by this point in time, by 1969, there's quite a bit of evidence that not only is this therapy bad, but that the Chelmsford hospital itself does not have great standards of Care. In 1965, nursing staff had even petitioned the hospital administration, which included Dr. Bailey, about safety concerns. No action was taken. In 1967, there was an anonymous complaint about Chelmsford to the health department. No action was taken. Wow. Psychiatric hospitals were not generally nice places and most people preferred not to think about them. Right. Including most people in government. You want to look into this. I don't want to fucking look into these crazy people. They're probably just saying crazy shit. Let the doctor do his thing. He's won awards. That's what's happening. Except for in an Australian accent. Right. You know, crikey, why worry about. We got shrimp on the barbie.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah. You can't really even make that charming, even in an Australian accent.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

No. So Elaine McKay was the mother of a 14 year old boy named Craig who suffered from cerebral retinal degeneration. This meant that he had started going blind at age 7, which he found traumatic and painful for extremely obvious reasons. He gets so depressed that Craig becomes, in his mother's words, hard to handle because he's really pissed off and sad. She sits down in Dr. Bailey's nice office outside the hospital to see if he can help her boy. He was a charmer. He promised you the world and everyone said he was the best. So Once she walks Dr. Bailey through what's happening, he prescribes DST for her son and she trusts him. He told her, you're losing him at the moment, but I'll have your boy back. And what loving parent, hearing those words from an award winning medical expert, wouldn't say yes? Right.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

You know, it's not her fault like she did. She found a doctor who all of the professionals said was a good doctor. She did her job. She's trying to get her boy cared for. It's so fucked up.

[Gabe Dunn]

Parents of sick kids are so vulnerable.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. And it's. It's. Yeah. Part of the sad thing is that, like, a lot of times like today, you hear a lot of parents getting their kids killed with quack therapies. But it's obviously bad. Like, you should have known not to do that to your kid. This one there, she did. They did nothing wrong.

[Gabe Dunn]

Right.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Per the Sydney Morning Herald, Craig was admitted to Chelmsford in April 1969. He stayed for four months, during which time his mother held a unique position as a witness in the sedation ward. None of the relatives of the other patients in the sleep ward were allowed to visit. She recalls, after they'd been down for two weeks, the nurses and hairdressers would do them up and make them look normal when the relatives could come in. I saw it all because I was the only one allowed to stay. I said that if they didn't let me stay, I'd take Craig out myself. What is happening here is they found a whale, right? Craig's mom is a whale. The family clearly has money, or they think the family has money. So they're like, if we keep him in the hospital for four straight months, that's four months where every day he's paying to be here, plus whatever fucking drugs we give him and whatever fucking treatments we cook up, right? Great. Keep him in as long as we can. Why ever let him go?

[Gabe Dunn]

The hairdresser part really threw me.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Great stuff. So after her son has been at the hospital for months, she asks if she can take him home. But the nurses said, quote, just a little longer. Just a few days longer. She calls Dr. Bailey repeatedly to try to be like, hey, when is this done? I really want to take him out. Are you sure he still needs to be doing this? I don't see what more being asleep can really help. And she doesn't know that this is happening, but Dr. Bailey is giving her son electroconvulsive therapy. He is electrocuting Craig at night once she leaves. And she doesn't realize this, but from that article, quote, during the day, the nursing staff, she says, were very kind and considerate, and Craig was happy. But he said, a bad man comes at night. At the time, I didn't know what he meant. Later, I realized it was Bailey. That's him talking about Bailey coming to electrocute him. At night.

[Robert]

Wow.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So again, this kid's not unconscious the whole time. He's being put unconscious for periods of time, but he's not out the whole while. And he's aware of some of the times he's being fucking shocked because I just don't think Dr. Bailey particularly cared. Now, we don't know exactly what was done to this kid because all of his medical records at the hospital were mysteriously lost later. So I can't tell you.

[Gabe Dunn]

Really?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Crazy.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, interesting. There was a fire in that one cabinet.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

There was a freak fire that burnt one kid's file. We don't know what Bailey gave him or what extracurricular surgeries or drugs he may have experimented with using. But on August 19, 1969, Elaine arrived at Chelmsford and saw her son sitting in front of a fan. He was unconscious and there's like a fan blowing on him. He's like, visibly feverish and riddled with bedsores.

[Robert]

Oh, my God.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So she waits with her son that day and then she heads home. Later that night, she gets a call from Chelmsford and they tell her and her husband that their son is dying. So she calls the hospital, frantic. And the hospital, the person who picks her up is like, annoyed that she's freaking out, is like, calm down, you've got yourself into a bit of a mess. She was talked down, to, quote, like, I was an idiot. I kept calling that night. I drove them nuts ringing them every half hour. We got a taxi over to the hospital about 7 o' clock in the morning. We knocked on the door, the matron said, we just lost him, my dear. And that was it. I was a mess, as you can imagine. They took me off and started popping pills into me to calm me down. We were a couple of dills.

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[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

We believed everything they told us.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, no, no, they're gonna get the mom in too.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

No, I think they're just like giving her a little. Like, they don't keep her in, but, like, yeah, they do drug her immediately. And first off, ma', am, you and your husband aren't dills for trusting a hospital.

[Gabe Dunn]

No, I know.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

And second, this is where the real crimey crime shit starts going down. Because they killed this kid. They kept him in way longer than they needed to. They gave him. They gave a 14 year old four months of regular massive doses of benzos and fucking chloral hydrated. Like, that's insane.

[Gabe Dunn]

So this is where it becomes like, it's not just Bailey. The nurses have this attitude. Everyone at the hospital has this attitude

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

they have that is mixed because again, the nurses trust Dr. Bailey. They're not doctors. They don't always know this becomes increasingly. They start to, but it takes some time. Right. I do say there are nurses who are definitely complicit and doctors who are definitely complicit. It's hard to say how much and who at this point in time, other, like the doctors definitely are, but like, it's hard to say which nurses had enough. Like, should have known something was wrong and at what point. Right. This is probably one of the points though. Four months.

[Gabe Dunn]

You still don't dismiss a mother who's freaking out.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I mean, and it's, it's also just this kid's problem is that he's going blind. You're not going to fix. There's no way this is going to fix that. The therapy was because he's depressed and acting out. Four months for that?

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

That's crazy.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

On Craig's death certificate, his cause of death was listed as bronchopneumonia. Since Chelmsford was a reputable hospital and nobody likes extra work, his case was not referred to a coroner. I'd say we don't know what killed Craig. But after his death, Dr. Bailey had the hospital send Craig's parents a bill. That's one of the things is he is billing people, as I noted at the top, often more than their annual income. And when he kills a patient, he still bills them. So you're like, wife or son dies and then you get a bill for more money than you're worth.

[Gabe Dunn]

I mean, that's insurance now.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Uh huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In this, in this case, Dr. Bailey sent his parents a bill for more than 1100 pills, mostly sedatives. They give this kid 1100 pill doses of different sedatives. God knows what they're putting in with IVs, right? Oh my God. I'm gonna guess that had something to do with the cause of death. I think a lot of people will die if you give them 1100 doses of fucking benzos in four months at age 14 while electrocuting them every night.

[Gabe Dunn]

I was gonna say they charge for the therapy too.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, they're charging for all of it, baby. Now, the stories of Chelmsford patients are uniformly bleak and horrifying. Jim Lawlor went to his general physician, suffering from pain behind his eyes when he was referred to Chelmsford. I don't know precisely what year this happened, but he gave an interview to a local TV station in 1985. Which I found as a transcript on the Chelmsford blog. Lawlor. When I came home from the hospital, my son said to his mother, mum, what's happened with this operation? He said, something went wrong with this. Dad is not the father that I used to know. And that's from a kid who is deaf. Is it possible to explain how you feel, Lawler? Resentful and bitter. Because what's been done to me shouldn't be done to a dog. It's really because, like, you gotta think too. This guy's talking about, like he comes home, his son is deaf, so he's not hearing his father's voice purely by the way his dad looks in his physical language the instant he sees him. This kid is like, this isn't something the dad. I know this isn't my dad. Something's wrong. Like, well, that's the thing bad when

[Gabe Dunn]

someone, when someone is affected like this, you think, okay, there's this, you know, 25 victims, but it's not. It's whole families, it's whole generations, it's whole lines. You know, that kid felt the repercussions. Like it's. It's so evil, it ripples.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, yeah. There's actually a more depressing parent story in the archives of Chelmsford cases, if you can believe it. And I know we all love a depressing parent story.

[Gabe Dunn]

Go on.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

One of Dr. Bailey's victims testified before an eventual royal commission over what had happened and said this. I went in for help with postnatal depression. Dr. Bailey told me I just needed some rest. I signed something, but I was already drowsy from pills they'd given me. Next thing I knew, I woke up three weeks later unable to remember my children's names.

[Robert]

Wow.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh my God.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, it's fucking like, that's fucking serious. Kids names.

[Robert]

Yeah. That's horrific.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

How can you. And this is where I get to the point that like, okay, yeah, there's got to be a lot of complicity among the staff because how can you see a woman go in for postnatal depression and come out of a fucking multi week coma unable to remember her kids names and be like, we're helping people. How do you do that?

[Gabe Dunn]

Okay, I think there's like. And this comes down to the asylum of it all. I think there's this deep mistrust even now, but probably even, you know, more back then, of anyone doing anything remotely differently. Like, I see so many people that get so freaked out by, let's say like a homeless person because they move their Arm weird. And I'm like, relax. Like, I think there's like a, a deep. Unless you're moving the exact way you or, or your face is the exact way, or your temperament is the exact way that, that like it's, you know, conformed, societally conformed, then people are deeply off put by you and so that's why they're like, oh, this person, you know, is feeling a little sad or is kind of like exposing that probably you have some sadness after giving birth. Get him out of my eyesight.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Get him out of my eyesight. Drug them. Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

So the nurses might be like so crazy. You know what, she'll recover and at least now she's not being weird.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Right. And you. I think, I think that's a really good point. And I think in order, like also on the case of how, how people would have thought this was working, a lot of his patients are people who are being like referred from other, like from asylums and stuff. They're schizophrenic, they're having like, you know, psychotic breaks. So they're like loud and like you said, they're moving weird. And then after a three week coma, they're really sedated and quiet and calm when they leave the hospital. And so maybe the nurses are like, ah, they're better. Right. That is, the problems return and they have new ones now because of what's happened to them. But yeah, exactly. I think that's, that's probably accurate. So Craig was, as far as I found, the only child to die in Chelmsford. But children were often admitted. The youngest of Dr. Bailey's patients for deep sleep therapy was 10 years old.

[Gabe Dunn]

No.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. It is not great. That said, death is not uncommon for patients at Chelmsford, particularly if they're patients of Dr. Bailey. I found an essay on the website Waking IO, which is a company that offers sleep treatment services and they host a pretty good article about everything that happened at Chelmsford. I think it's on their site as like a reminder of what can go because they're offering like sleep treatment. It's like a reminder of like this is what goes wrong if you don't have rigid standards of medical ethics. Right.

[Gabe Dunn]

That's really good of them to have.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, yeah. And it's a pretty good article. It provides statistics on Chelmsford patients. Quote, death rates at Chelmsford were staggering compared to standard psychiatric care. While typical psychiatric units in the 1970s had mortality rates below 0.5%, Bailey's deep sleep Therapy patients faced a death rate exceeding 3.5%, seven times higher than comparable facilities. One particularly tragic case involved a 24 year old teacher who entered Chelmsford for work related stress and died of pneumonia after 28 days in a barbiturate coma, leaving behind two young children.

[Gabe Dunn]

What is this pneumonia? What's going on?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Well, if you keep people in a coma with their central nervous system depressed for weeks on end in a hospital where like maybe there's other sick people, they'll get, get sick maybe. Or they lied about the cause of death because they faked death. Maybe it was just the barbiturates killed him and they faked and said it was pneumonia. Or her. They do that a lot.

[Gabe Dunn]

The question, I did think that I was being a bit of a. How do you do that? Okay, yeah, they were lying, as it turns out.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

They, I think they. I don't know that they were, but they lie a lot. It's also not unrealistic that a patient in these circumstances would contract pneumonia. That's still the hospital's fault. Because, you know, what you don't do is put someone in a 28 day long coma because they're stressed out at work. I know that's not how you solve that problem.

[Gabe Dunn]

Some of this stuff is interesting, some of this stuff with mental health. Like I had a great psychiatrist who would say, I'd be like, I'm so anxious, I'm so upset, blah, blah, blah about like, you know, what's going on in the world. And she would be like, I feel like if you were at this high A level and everything was like regular in the world, I would be worried. But your response is accurate to what's going on. But I feel like, for example, like a schoolteacher, she's like, oh my God, I feel a little stressed about being a schoolteacher. And nobody's like, yeah, that seems right. Everyone's like, you got to get rid of that.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Like it's, it's, it's so fucking hard for me to believe. And I wonder what he told this teacher. I wonder if she knew it was supposed to be 28 days. Because people report being put under longer than they agreed to. Like, Bailey lies a lot to them. So I don't actually know what this person thought they were even getting into.

[Gabe Dunn]

Right.

[Robert]

So insane that like people, it's fucked.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah.

[Robert]

They have no idea. And then they're there for weeks.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Weeks. Weeks. We'll talk more about that in a bit. So if you remember from episode one, Harry Bailey didn't just work out of Chelmsford he owns part of it. And he makes money both from getting consultation fees and from getting a cut from the profits of each patient. Right. This offers some explanation as to way he may have done stuff like put plates in people's heads without their consent. Right. There's a possibility that Bailey wasn't even doing all of the torturous stuff he does to people to experiment. And he doesn't do stuff like put people up for 28 days. Cause he even legitimately thinks they need that much time. He just wants money. Right. He's a greedy master. Got it. Maybe he may just be randomly inflicting medical violence on people for profit. It may even be something where he, like, I don't know entirely. Some of his behavior makes me think that may have been part of what was going on. It's certainly something he does sometimes. In 1970, upset by the number of corpses that he had received from Chelmsford and their general condition, the local coroner filed a report with the health departments. The coroner's like, these people are sending me a lot of bodies, and the bodies they're sending me do not look good. I am a coroner. I am used to dealing with dead people from hospitals. This is not normal.

[Gabe Dunn]

You're a coroner.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Well, he tried to be. He tried to be. I haven't found much more detail with what happened to his report to the health department other than that the investigation was blocked. And it's here, I should point out. Chelmsford was a big business. It made a lot of money. And that money goes into the local community. As one whistleblower nurse later testified, we knew patients were dying unnecessarily. When I tried to document the problems, I was threatened with termination. The head nurse told me Bailey brought in too much money for the hospital to risk losing him. I've lived with guilt for 20 years about the patients I couldn't save.

[Gabe Dunn]

Holy shit.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

And. But that explains why the hospital lets him get away with this. That he kind of part owns. But it's also that explains why I think local elected leaders and local regulators, like the officials don't want to fuck with this because there's a lot of money, right? Maybe they're getting bribed. I don't know if they're getting bribed or if it's just that there's a lot of money and the community needs it or, you know, whatever. I don't entirely know. But he should be getting in trouble more often than he does, Right? So that nurse was at least a partial whistleblower, maybe a little Too late for it to matter, but did something. Not all of his nurses felt this way. In fact, for most of the hospital's time in operation, Dr. Bailey seems to have been very popular with his staff, who often leapt to defend him. He took care of them in return, as this article for the Canberra Times makes clear. His compulsive spending included buying jewelry and gifts from expensive shops for his wife and staff. He bought the latest technology for his rooms, as well as jade and Persian carpets. Another example of his extravagant lifestyle was his regular attendance at Sydney's most exclusive restaurants. So he is spreading the money around, right?

[Gabe Dunn]

And the city's like that.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

The city's like that. The staff likes that. You know, to quote Fallout New Vegas, everybody likes that. You know what else everybody likes?

[Gabe Dunn]

Is it products and services.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

That's right, baby. Everyone loves a good product, a solid service. You know, maybe there's even an ad for a mental hospital that will knock you unconscious for 28 straight days.

[Gabe Dunn]

Jesus Christ.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Look, even after doing all this research, I kind of am like, oh yeah, that might fix my work stress. I don't know, man. 28 days of sleep sounds kind of good.

[Gabe Dunn]

I'm not unconvinced.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, sounds all right. Could I just have 28 days of benzos? Could I just be barred out for a month? Would that be okay?

[Gabe Dunn]

No, not the current drug economy. We don't know what it is anymore.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Don't fuck around with benzos, people. I try not to make even jokes about drugs anymore because you never know what people are going to take seriously. Don't fuck with benzos, folks. It's really easy to kill yourself if you're stupid. If you prescribe them, you know, whatever, they're great, they work. But they're also interact with a bunch of shit.

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[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So I think one of the most horrifying things about all of this to me is that at no point did Dr. Bailey actually have a meaningful scientific theory for why this was supposed to work. Like when I started digging into this story and first read about DST in the first place. I was like, oh, you know, from a layman's standpoint, again, like we've said, I can see why you'd think this would work. Right? And when I started reading about this, I was like, oh. So they thought it was kind of like when a computer fucks up, the first thing you do is turn it off and turn it on again. Right. And that was like my layman's explanation for how I assumed they thought this worked. But I figured, well, Dr. Bailey's a doctor. He's got to have a more substantial reason for why he thought this was a good idea.

[Robert]

And he.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

And I was wrong. I was wrong.

[Gabe Dunn]

Here's how Robert, they said he loves the scientific method.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

He's a. He's super into science, loves the scientific method. Let's talk about the scientific method here. I want to read to you how the Sydney morning Herald says Dr. Haley explained why deep sleep therapy works. And he's explaining why his version of deep sleep therapy, which now by default includes electroconvulsive therapy. So this is his explanation for what it does. Bailey likened the treatment to switching off a television. His self developed theory was that the brain, by shutting down for an extended period, would unlearn habits that led to depression, addiction and other psychiatric conditions.

[Gabe Dunn]

It is what you thought. It's exactly what you thought.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

What? I was joking. You really think it's just like, have you tried turning it off and on again?

[Gabe Dunn]

That's the exact thing he's saying. Exactly.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Your son's doing heroin. Have you tried turning him off and on?

[Robert]

Oh, I get the concept.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Your daughter's schizophrenic. Have you tried turning her off and on? Sorry, Sophie, I was gonna say I

[Robert]

get the concept because sometimes I'm like, you know, maybe I just need to, to like, you know, use the right kind of phone charger on my body and I'll be back. And I'll be back to full streak.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I mean, obviously part of why this is compelling and why people believe this is. This is a little how sleep works. It doesn't unlearn traumatic stuff like addiction

[Robert]

or probably what I should claim, addiction, but it does.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Having a little reset's good, you know?

[Robert]

Yeah, yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

It's also like one of the problems with benzos because they're great for certain things like anxiety and stuff, but if you're like taking a bunch of benzos to deal with like trauma and stress, it can make it like worse because you're not really like healing necessarily. You're not like Working through. It's why they're really hesitant to prescribe it for PTSD today because, like, because of that reason. So you have to be very careful when you're utilizing benzos with patients who are dealing with like trauma and stuff. And if you're just keeping them barred out for 28 days while they're in, they're not working through anything, they're not processing anything, they're gone.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah. The ideal situation, at least as I understood it, was with mania for me, or with anxiety, was to sort of bring you back down to a baseline. Not bar you out, but bring you back down to a baseline and then you can start to work from there. You're not supposed to like bar out so that you just don't even know about it.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Right. It's supposed to be used to like aid and kind of like soften and minimize problems while you're still doing other things to work on them. It's not meant to just, just knock you out of existence for weeks on end. That's not a healthy. No reputable doctor says that's what you should do with benzos.

[Gabe Dunn]

Right.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

And again, as we've kind of started to talk about. One of the things that really differentiates Dr. Bailey's approach from the other ways people approach deep sleep therapy in Europe is that he is a vocal exponent of extremely long sleep therapy. For most patients, his normal, like, his normal Prescription was a 10 to 14 day session, but as time went on, he tries doing, oh my God, right? That's the norm. But as time goes on, he's like, well, shit, let me do 14 days and I'm getting paid every day. Let's try three weeks, let's try four weeks. The longest he keeps anyone under is 39 days. That is long enough. I mean, way less than that is long enough that patients are severely weakened after this and need weeks, if not months or years of physical therapy to recover. Like a 39 day coma is a calamity to your body.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yes. Holy shit. And they're not even bicycling your legs for you.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

No, they don't give a fuck about that.

[Gabe Dunn]

They're not even moving your arms around.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Uh, and to illustrate that point, I want to tell you probably the best and most detailed account that we have from a patient. Right, okay. And this comes from this I actually found in the post from the subreddit user who suggested this. He suggested there's an autobiography of an Australian actress who undergoes this treatment. So Tony Lamond was an Australian singer, songwriter, dancer, comedian. She Was like a triple or she was a bunch of things. Threat. Right. She does it all.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Here's a picture of Tony. You can see her on screen if you can, but if you can't. Great hair. She's a lady. She looks nice. Yeah. Now I'm gonna tell all our Aussie listeners off the bat, I have no goddamned idea who this woman is. Other than, you know, I skimmed. Wikipedia is not really important. Her like, stage career for our purposes. What you need to know is that in the mid-60s, she was a moderately famous young performer who was working nightly at a major stage show. And her husband Frank had just died. Right. So she's got this really high pressure job while she is performing. I think it's a pretty athletic, like a lot of dancing performance every single night. It's an exhausting schedule. And she's just overwhelmed with grief because she lost her husband. She's a young widower.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, man.

[Robert]

So they give her a fuck ton of drugs she doesn't need.

[Gabe Dunn]

Sure do.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Toni was under a lot of stress and given the state of medicine at the time, her doctor prescribed her huge doses of sedatives, which again likely means she was already under barbiturates. Quote, I had not allowed myself to stop and mourn, but had thrown myself into work out of financial necessity. She writes in her autobiography, first half seeking comfort. She winds up reading a book about an American widow, which convinces her that she's made a mistake by dulling her mind to the pain of her husband's death with pills. Right. And this inspires her to start exploring mental health care options. So so far, a great story about the positive ways books can impact our lives. Right.

[Gabe Dunn]

Okay.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

This woman's in a rut. She reads a book about another person who dealt with a similar thing. And she's like, I'm gonna start taking some real steps to get myself better, you know?

[Gabe Dunn]

Okay, great.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

We're so. It's so hard to do. It's so hard, Tony, to get to that point with a problem like this. Unfortunately, when she starts talking about telling her friends that she's exploring mental healthcare options, one of them advises her, hey, I know about this famous award winning local doctor who has a. Who just helped open a private hospital.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah. But also, that's barbiturates again.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

Just what she was doing.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I'll tell you how it's phrased to her because it's important. You know how this is sold to her. So here's her autobiography. She. And that's her friend recommended I talk about my problems to Dr. Harry Bailey, an eminent psychiatrist. So she's first told. I should talk to this guy about my problems.

[Gabe Dunn]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I made an appointment with him during which I began to articulate what was troubling me. After a one hour session, he suggested I take a specialized treatment called deep sleep therapy, which consisted of my being put to sleep under medical supervisions for a few days so that when I awoke. All your troubles will be gone. In my befuddled state, it sounded pretty good to me. No more problems lead me to it, right? She's already not doing well. She's not sleeping well, she's exhausted from work, burnt out and grieving. And he's like, I gotta put you down for a few days and then you'll be better. And she's like maybe, right.

[Gabe Dunn]

She's gonna take time off her job.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Great question. So Next she writes, Dr. Bailey arranged for me to have a week off from the show. How nice of him. We'll come back to that in a minute. She is admitted to his hospital that Friday. Within days of coming to him. Tony recalls entering the hospital and feeling excited that she was now taking her healing seriously and was on the road to having a new life. She was put up in a semi private room and along the way she saw several beds lining the corridors filled with sleeping people. Quote. Although it was mid morning, the stillness was eerie for a hospital that looked to be full to overflowing. I was given a handful of pills to take and the next thing I remember was Dr. Bailey standing by the bed asking me how I felt. I told him I'd had a good night's sleep. He laughed and informed me it was 10 days later. And what's more, he had taken some weight off me. He sure had. Nearly seven kilos. I didn't mind that as I have always had trouble with my weight. But that much. In 10 days I was checked out of the hospital and this time noticed the other patients were still asleep or being taken to the restroom while out on their feet. And that's fucked up a lot of that.

[Gabe Dunn]

The fact that I was thinking that it's going to start being about weight loss.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, well there's. At least she's the one who talks about it. But he must have been pitching this to others. He must have been selling this to others. What this actually means is that they weren't taking adequate care of you while you were down. As she notes, you should never be losing that much weight in.

[Robert]

That's so much weight in such a short time.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, this means they were not taking care of you.

[Gabe Dunn]

Is she fired?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Great question.

[Gabe Dunn]

So really focused on the right stuff.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I know, I know. She's immediately shocked that so much. It's also interesting to me that, like, mid conversation, basically they say, take these pills and she's just out. And that's how the treatment starts. So her day job, as we noted, required her to dance. But after 10 days motionless in bed, she can barely move. So she can't get right back to dancing. But even if she had been fit enough to do so, it turns out Dr. Bailey lied to her about having worked things out with her employer. Tony comes. No. Yeah, he just straight up bullshit her. And Tony gets fired while she's under and asleep and replaced you.

[Gabe Dunn]

Like how? That's my biggest problem. I have real millennial bullshit in my mind. I was like, was she fired? Did she really have.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

She missed work. Yeah, she missed work. Yeah. Now that said, she does write. I wasn't too upset. I was having difficulty remembering the simplest things, like on which side of the envelope to put a stamp. So basically she's saying, like, I wasn't even angry. I got fired because my brain wasn't working at all.

[Robert]

He fried my brain.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I was in such a fog, I couldn't function.

[Gabe Dunn]

Wow, Grain fog is so scary. It's so scary.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Yeah. Especially when you shouldn't have it. Cause it only exists because some guy fucking force fed you barbiturates while starving you. So the sleep therapy itself did nothing for Tony once. She, like, she obviously after this, she has to spend weeks pulling herself back together, getting her brain and her body all working again. And she does get work again. She gets back into the industry, she's back to performing, but she still can't sleep. And so she has to go back on the sedatives that she'd been on. And she also starts taking Valium for good measure. So his therapy does nothing. Her problems are the same as they were. She even writes, my problems were still there. I just didn't remember them. Like this doesn't help her. Right. It's only bad.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, my God.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Tony is kind of one of the lucky ones because this like, sucks. But after a few weeks, she's back, you know, back better than ever. Her career doesn't. Right. Her career doesn't take a long term hit. And this is probably the most common type of Dr. Bailey experience. Right? A patient gets treated, they come back to their life and they have a lot of problem. They've got to, you know, recover physically and stuff. And mentally from it. But they get better, more or less. Their problems don't really go away and maybe they continue to suffer some physical consequences, but. But overall their life continues and they just move on with things. Right? And Tony does. She never doesn't sue the doctor, she goes on. She has an 80 year career. She only died last year, 2025, at the age of 93. So her life seems to have gone well after this point. And I'm happy for her.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah,

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

can't say that for a lot of these people. And again, even though her story works out okay, she still suffers terribly for no reason. You know, it takes her a long time to recover and there are more than a thousand people with versions of that story as their best case scenario. For a lot of these people, the day they walked into Dr. Bailey's office was the worst mistake they ever made. But for him, it was Tuesday, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a quote from Dr. Philip Hickey's article about Dr. Bailey's ongoing correspondence with that guy from the UK, Dr. Sargent. That puts a lot of Bailey's at gratitude and contact to me. They, Ian Sargent remained in close contact and reportedly even vied with one another to see which could keep a patient in the deepest coma. So that's part of why these are so long, is he's fighting with this guy. I bet I can do 49 days, you know, or 30, you know, whatever. What the fuck?

[Robert]

This is not fucking John Tucker must die. What are we doing here? What are we doing here?

[Gabe Dunn]

Why are men this way?

[Robert]

Why are men.

[Gabe Dunn]

I can't believe I abandoned everything to join you all in this fucking bullshit.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Oh, man, if you'd asked me, I wouldn't have recommended it.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Min. I don't know. I think we need to create Min 2.0, which is like.

[Gabe Dunn]

I love it.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Maybe we have like a governorship or something that shuts down when you get too into certain things.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah, I like it. I like it.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Like if you get a Punisher tattoo on your body, it just. Just, you know, you're out, you're out, you're done. That's it.

[Robert]

Gotta be honest. Don't like the. Don't like the phrase. Men 2.0. Made me. Made me queasy. Didn't love it.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

You're right. We should go. We should start with Men 3.0. We'll add a tail. Fine. So far, far too many Chelmsford patients did not survive their time with Dr. Bailey. I can't tell you how many exactly. Every article I every like, like reputable article. It's a little different in part because more research comes out. Right. Most articles you'll find say that from 1963 to 1979, 24 people died as a direct result of Dr. Bailey's deep sleep therapy. Like they died in the hospital while undergoing the therapy. And then 8, 19 further DST patients committed suicide within a year of undergoing this therapy.

[Gabe Dunn]

I was going to ask. Oh, my God. 1979.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, 79 is when this all starts.

[Gabe Dunn]

Decent.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. And depending on who you count, also, the direct death toll could be as high as 27. I found at least one higher number, but it seems to be somewhere between 24 and 27, depending on how you count it. People die directly as a result of justice therapy. That's so awful. Yeah.

[Robert]

How many patients has he seen in total? Do we know?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yes, kind of. I'll tell you. By the mid-1970s, enough people had been permanently injured or killed. And there had been enough complaints and investigations into Dr. Bailey was doing that. Resistance had started to build to Dr. Bailey's methods. Other Australian psychiatrists began speaking out, slowly at first against deep sleep therapy. But what would really change things was the case of Barry Francis Hart. In February of 1973, he entered the Chelmsford clinic. He'd been an actor and a model until a botched cosmetic surgery caused him, like, lifelong injury. This leads to depression. You know, it's a bummer. So he seeks professional help for the depression. A nurse came up to him while he was still sitting in the waiting area. So he hasn't even. The way he says it. Hart says he goes to Chelmsford because he wants to talk about getting help for his depression. And a nurse walks up to him while he is in the waiting area and gives him a glass of water and a pill to, quote, calm you down. He takes the pill, having never agreed to treatment, and wakes up naked in a hospital room two weeks later.

[Gabe Dunn]

No, like, holy shit horror movie shit. This is holy shit movie shit.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

In terms of breaches of medical ethics, that's about the breachingest you get.

[Gabe Dunn]

He was like. He was like, this botched plastic surgery is going to be the worst medical experience of my.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Let me take. Yep.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, my God. Uh.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Oh. So he recalls, quote, when I got out, I was jumping at noises and couldn't concentrate. I had brain damage and post traumatic stress disorder.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Now, Dr. Bailey's not his physician, Dr. Heron is. But Dr. Heron is basically, Bailey's like fucking pro, like Mintee. Right. And works. Right. And he's doing the same treatment. So Hart, after he realizes what's happened to him and gets out of the hospital, sues Dr. Heron and attempts to have him charged with kidnapping and assault, unfortunately. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Which he did. Should have happened. However, his records are modified by the hospital, and the records say he consented to the procedure. So it's a he said, he said sort of deal. Right? Now, ultimately, the hospital settles with him. So they're worried enough that they give him a small amount of money. Right. But he does not get, you know, he doesn't get Dr. Heron arrested. He doesn't get a lot of what he wants. But his case starts to attract attention. The news covers it. Right.

[Gabe Dunn]

I was about to say the news about to get a hold of this. Thank God.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. This is not the first time, but it's the first time it does in a big way. And it's the first time that, like, people kind of stay interested and start thinking, like, what's going on in that hospital? Right. So after this point, after Hart's suit, other patients who have maybe been suffering silently but being like, well, what can I do? Right? Or maybe it's my fault it didn't work, right? Now they have someone who's like, oh, maybe I was. Was mistreated by my doctor.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yes.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. And also there are patients who probably had complained, but as we've stated before, the complaints went nowhere. The regulators ignored them. And those patients now realize maybe the wall of immunity that's been protecting this guy is starting to fail. So maybe I can try to complain again, and it'll get somewhere. Lawsuits begin piling up against the hospital and against Dr. Bailey after this point.

[Gabe Dunn]

Okay, Barry, that's good.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

That's good. Now, a little bit ago, I gave you some numbers. 24 to 27 dead as a result of his deep sleep therapy. And 19 suicides within a year of receiving the therapy. Those are not the only numbers that I found. Although the next set of numbers I'm gonna give you is questionable for some reasons. I'll explain. Okay. I'm about to read you a quote from a Reuters article I've read from a couple of times before. It was written by a journalist named Michael Perry in 1990. Here's what he wrote. In all, 183 deep sleep patients died either in hospital or within a year of returning to the outside world, while 977 were diagnosed as brain damaged. The article claims that Dr. Bailey treated more than 3,000 patients with DST. Now, those are bad numbers, right? The original Ones were not good. But those numbers are also different from the other numbers that I have found in reputable. Reuters is obviously a generally reputable source. So is the Sydney Morning Herald. And the Sydney Morning Herald says that Dr. Bailey only treated 1127 people with deep sleep therapy.

[Gabe Dunn]

Okay.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

And I found that number in several publications. I suspect it's correct. However, it's possible that Michael Perry just kind of miswrote and maybe he was giving the number for the total number of patients at Chelmsford that other doctors and Dr. Bailey treated with DST. Maybe he just kind of fucked that up. I don't know.

[Robert]

Either way, that's so many possible.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

To me, Reuters is normally pretty reputable. And one of the things that does worry me about the other numbers he gave is I haven't found 183 patients died in the hospital or within a year of getting out of the hospital. Well, 977 are brain damaged. I have not found those numbers anywhere else, which makes me concerned for a reason. Right. So I looked in to first the journalist, and Michael Perry seems to be a veteran reporter. He still wrote for Reuters as recently as a year ago. I have no reason to suspect him of malpractice. But his article is old. It's from 1990. So maybe that's why the numbers are different. Maybe they're just kind of outdated. But again, I didn't run into him anywhere. And it's rare for numbers like this to be high and then massively reduced. Lower. One of his major sources for this article, and one of the reasons that I kind of question aspects of it, is that he bases a good amount of it on a nurse that he describes as a whistleblower. And she was. Her name was Rosa Nicholson. Here's how Perry describes her story. After a friend died following deep sleep treatment, she spent 18 months trying to get a job at Chelmsford. In mid-1977, an advertisement in a Sydney newspaper gave her a chance. For the next two years, she smuggled hospital and patient records out of Chelmsford, photocopied and returned them. Very cool, right? That's great. Wow. This is all true. You're about to get. You're feeling happy and you shouldn't be, right? Oh, no, this is behind the bastards. Good things don't happen here. Sure. Of course, on paper, it's pretty cool that Rose is undercover, you know, for years, feeding information about Bailey's operation. But that begs the question, to whom is she feeding the information?

[Gabe Dunn]

You would hope his competitors.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

She's sending it to a Journalist. No, no, no. So she has helpers who are helping to fund her quest and who are taking the information that she gathers. And those helpers are the Church of Scientology.

[Gabe Dunn]

Because they hate psychiatry.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Cause they hate psychiatry. That's right, baby. Surprise. Second villain. The Church's Scientology with a steel chair.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, my God.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I love it. I love it. Oh, yeah. Wow. And so I wonder if maybe Perry's article. Great question. Part of why, so I do wonder, is maybe Perry's numbers high because he Scientologists gave them to him. But per the Sydney Morning Herald, quote, two Scientologists, Ron Siegel and Jan Eastgate, had worked with a Chelmsford nurse, Rosa Nicholson, to uncover evidence by stealing files and secretly recording Bailey in the late 1970s. And Rosa did find some pretty damning stuff. She much later testified at the royal inquiry over all this. Quote, Nicholson told the commission, deep sleep patients frequently suffered internal bleeding and severe infections. They were given electric shock therapy every day except Sunday. And I think that's pretty much true. Unfortunately, at the actual time that she was in place trying to stop Dr. Bailey, the fact that she was feeding all of this info to Scientologists meant that her work had the opposite of the intended effect. As you mentioned, Gabe, the Church of Scientology has a huge grudge with the whole field of psychiatry. And this goes back to the days of L. Ron Hubbard, because Scientology starts as Dianetics, which Hubbard billed as a replacement science for psychiatry. Right. And as a result, he taught that because psychiatrists don't embrace Dianetics, he teaches his followers that psychiatry is a murderous cabal that tortures and kills people for money and power. Unfortunately, it just so happens that does kind of describe the psychiatrists at Chelmsford a little bit.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, no. Broken crack is right.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. These guys are as evil as the Church of Scientology thinks all psychiatrists are. Now, it just so happens that Dr. Bailey and his colleagues at Chelmsford were that bad. But the way the Scientologists go about trying to release the information that's gathered for them backfires, and it actually damages. Damages the cases of former patients who were trying to get the clinic shut down, like heart.

[Robert]

Scientology plan did not go well and ended up damaging many individuals. Oh, who could have thought of that? Wow, I am shocked to hear this information.

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Yeah.

[Robert]

Oh, no.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

For the Sydney Morning Herald, the scientists. The Scientologist's involvement enabled Chelmsford to smear the whistleblowers impatience. Hart would be accused of being a Scientologist himself. Which still raises a rare lady. Haha. Yes, I had a botched Plastic surgery and nearly got myself killed. All so I could be an agent of the Scientologists.

[Gabe Dunn]

Well, nowadays I'm like, maybe.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Maybe. Yeah, crazier shit. So this elaborate scheme also was not necessary to cause Dr. Bailey's downfall. The same year Hart sued the hospital, a group of his colleagues filed a former complaint with Australia's equivalent of the AMA, like their main medical association against Dr. Bailey's custom deep sleep therapy method. The lawsuit or the complaint was dismissed. But two years later, as lawsuits against Dr. Bailey ballooned, his insurance company reported the hospital to a different regulator, a government regulator, and be like, hey, a lot of people are dying at this hospital.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, my God. How many people have to tell you that?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, you're the government. Maybe do something about it again. When an insurance company is kind of a good guy in the story, you know, things are bad. Oh, holy shit. So fuck all is done in this case, too. The regulators ignore the warning. It must have seemed to a lot of people, to the former patients of Dr. Bailey, that we're still dealing, even in the late 70s, with the same old Teflon Harry. But he wasn't. Dr. Bailey is beginning to fray under the constant barrage of lawsuits and bad press, and he starts to lose his mind. Some of this may have been caused, but isn't the consequence of my own actions?

[Gabe Dunn]

My own actions?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Shit. I should also say, I think some of his derangement is that for, like, decades, like 20 years now, he's rich. He's been rich. And his day job has given him absolute power over hundreds of people's bodies. And I think that just. Just makes you crazy in a bad way.

[Gabe Dunn]

Right, God. God complex. Yes.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

That destroys your mind, you know? As the years went on, his staff goes from adoring him to frightened of him. Per Reuters quote, former nurse Leslie Hosie told the commission, Bailey once told staff, don't call me Harry. Call me God.

[Gabe Dunn]

See, what did I say?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Help man, right there. I thought, God, he is mad. She said, when you work with psychiatrists for that long, you sort of get to know the crazy ones. He really did believe what he was doing was helping people, it was said, which is a really. He really thought he was helping people. It was said.

[Gabe Dunn]

It was sad.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I don't know, maybe.

[Gabe Dunn]

I think also when you have all that going for you for so long and then you start to lose that, like, adoration, that's also. You go crazy.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, yeah. Yep. I think you're probably right on the money with that, too. And there's further support for the mad King Harry thesis. In 1991, the British Medical Journal published an article that claimed Dr. Bailey showed signs of delusional behavior, such as referring to himself as a Martian. Oh, no, I had not found more detail on that, and I wish I had. I don't know what the fuck that means.

[Robert]

That's a weird day for me to be wearing an alien sweater.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Uh oh. Because they don't write about it like

[Gabe Dunn]

it was a bit Scientology. Scientology came by and said hello, convinced

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

he was an alien. So there's a lot, a lot that's awful about this guy. But one of the worst things is that perhaps not surprisingly, he was a sex pest and he regularly had sex with his patients.

[Gabe Dunn]

No, we knew it. We knew it.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I say. I said I had sex, not raped. I don't know that that. That's entirely true because given that he's the sleep doctor.

[Gabe Dunn]

Right.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

The fact that he fucks his patients immediately brings to mind a pretty awful question. Were all those patients awake and. I don't know.

[Robert]

Yeah. Is this a Kill Bill volume one situation?

[Gabe Dunn]

And also he's their psychiatrist, so it's already.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Right. He shouldn't be doing it anyway. It's already bad. Yeah. If they're awake, it's still bad, but.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, no, no.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

The British Medical Journal just notes that he had sex with his patients on multiple occasions. That Reuters piece adds a little more detail. Staff said Bailey had sex with his female patients, often ordering them sent by taxi to his office or home late at night. I really hope those are conscious people being sent by taxi.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, no, I. Even if it is still bad, it

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

is still real bad. Yeah. The Australian Encyclopedia of Biography adds, Bailey reveled in the trappings of professional power and exploited the vulnerabilities of those in his care, having sexual relationships with a number of female patients and some employees. Now, the same source claims his wife showed pretty intense loyalty to him for years, and I don't know when that stopped. She's described by one article as estranged prior to his death, along with their two adopted daughters. Probably for the best there. I don't know how if his wife was aware any of the really bad stuff or for. She just knew that he was not well. Right. And was cheating on her constantly. I don't think there's any particular reason for me to believe that his family knew anything about, like, the horrible medical crimes he's committing. Right. Like. And also, it's like the 70s. There's not a lot of ways his family would have been able to know what was really going on. Right. The walls start closing in on Dr. Bailey in 1977. It starts with the suicide of his patient and lover, a prominent dancer named Sharon Hamilton. She left her entire estate to Dr. Bailey, which fueled public speculation that he may have somehow caused her death. That. Right. Maybe he even murdered her. Right. There's a lot. There's like, news articles about this, and that fucks Bailey up. First of all, the fact that people are talking about it like he killed this woman because he seems to have been in love with her. Bailey is so distraught after her death that he undergoes DST for the first time himself. He puts himself under for dating days to try to deal with, like, his feelings. In the wake of this, he's taking his.

[Gabe Dunn]

There are so many twists and turns in this fucking story.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Fucking wild, right?

[Robert]

He's drinking his own Kool Aid.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

He seems to have increasingly started taking his own medications after this point. So everything that happens next in the story, you have to imagine this guy is on a shitload of Xanax or whatever the equivalent was.

[Gabe Dunn]

Do not get high on your own supply.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, man. Never a good idea. So during my research, I came across an interesting source. TruthAboutECT. That's electroconvulsivetherapy.org which based its name. And I didn't. Number one, that name, not a trustworthy news source to me. Number two, the website looks like a real shitty blog, not a great. And you know, I've quoted from the Chelmsford Blog, which is a blog that was like, meant because. Written by people, I think, by people who are angry that this is not better known. And I used it as a source because it cites its sources extensively. And after looking at those sources, I was able to show that it's a good essay. Everything it says is accurate. So I'm not inclined to trust the website necessarily, but I wanted to look into it. So I read the article to see if it seemed reasonable, what it was saying. And it hosted a 2020 piece by an author named Jan Eastgate. And that name was familiar to me because Jan Eastgate is one of the two Scientologists who worked with nurse Rosa Nicholson. She is now president of CCHR International. This is the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a lobbying organization for the Church of Scientology. Right.

[Gabe Dunn]

Oh, my God. Yeah, they love to use everything everywhere, all at once.

[Robert]

They love to use that dot org.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Robert]

Website for. For fake news sites.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

It's. It's one of their major.

[Robert]

Yeah, it's one of their go tos.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, they love doing that shit. Yeah. But that said it's still kind of worthwhile to talk about this source because Jan Eastgate is directly involved in this. She's working with Rosa as she's undercover. So that's an interesting source. Yeah, the source. Yeah. Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

Holy shit.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

The article from 2020 is a memorial that Eastgate wrote for Rosa, her friend who had recently passed on. And in it, Jan makes this claim. I remember there were allegations that Dr. Bailey shot up a residence over the suicide death of one of his patients, Sharon Hamilton, with whom he'd had a sexual affair and electro shocked her when she became vocal about it. I don't know if this is true. I have not come across other claims of this.

[Gabe Dunn]

What an asshole, though.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

I wouldn't put it past him.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah, yeah, right. But he was upset about it.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. And given. It's giving, like.

[Gabe Dunn]

It's giving what you call it?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

His name? Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

Dahmer. It's giving. Dahmer, Right. If she's like gonna try to talk or she's. He, like, loves her, quote, unquote, he's gonna try to, like, leave. He's like, I'll make her a zombie and then she'll stay with me forever. Oops, she's dead.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, hard to say. I, like, I. I haven't. I haven't found, like. I can't prove any of that, obviously. And I haven't found. I don't believe the shooting thing just because, like, that probably would have made the news, right? I might have made the news. I don't know. You know, it was easier to get guns in Australia back then. It's pro pre Port Arthur, but. Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

The Psychiatric Museum of Death. That's in la.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

That's in la.

[Gabe Dunn]

What if it's like, it has all of this information in it?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Oh, I'm certain because they make a big deal about this guy and I bet they'll use the much bigger numbers Reuters had, which, like, again, he's bad enough without exaggerating the numbers.

[Gabe Dunn]

Well, in that and wow. And isn't that how he would just want it it. He would want the numbers to look even more Honestly, he loves.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Kind of an honor to him.

[Gabe Dunn]

Right?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. So, yeah. In 1980, 60 Minutes ran an episode on the death of one of Dr. Bailey's patients, Miriam Potio, who had passed in 1977. This added fuel to the simmering fire that had been building for quite some time, per the Australian Encyclopedia of Biography. Five years later, a coronial inquest into her death was held. And in 1983, Bailey was charged with manslaughter. Although the charge was dismissed in 1985, the media siege was intense. Sick, tired, dispirited after facing years of litigation. On 8th of September, 1985, he drove to Mount White and parked on an isolated track. The next day, police found him dead, the cause of death being attempted barbiturate poisoning. He was survived by his estranged wife and two adopted daughters.

[Gabe Dunn]

You can't make this shit up.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

No. He kills himself using a dose of the same medicine he gave his patients. Yeah. Some people even include him in the death toll of dst.

[Gabe Dunn]

If this was a movie, you would be like, that's too much.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, that's too much. And he. It's so fucked up. He has a suicide note, right, that he leaves in the car with him. Yeah. Here's his suicide note. Always remember that the forces of evil are greater than the forces of good. I always tried to be a good doctor, and I think perhaps I was. At the end of his note, he adds all of his degrees and qualifications. There's a bit there. He blames the Church of Scientology for everything. With, like. Yeah. I mean, they're not helping anything, but that isn't their fault, man. They didn't start this. You did this.

[Gabe Dunn]

Did Scientology kill him?

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

No, no, no. He kills himself, uses the drugs that he had done. He just blames Scientology for making for. For ruining his reputation secretly.

[Gabe Dunn]

I'm like, did they? But wait a minute.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

The. He writes his degrees. God, yeah.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Crazy.

[Gabe Dunn]

I can't. This man is insane. I can't believe I didn't know about this till right now.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

He's deeply unwell.

[Gabe Dunn]

Really wild. That is so crazy.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. His death does help get wheels moving in the Australian government. In 1998, they issue a proper royal commission to investigate deep sleep therapy. The commissioner ultimately concludes that all of the doctors involved with operating Chelmsworth had likely contributed some amount of fraud, obstruction of justice, and negligence. Bailey, though, was the spoke of the whole operation and the central figure without whom none of this would have happened. The New South Wales parliament ultimately banned his treatment entirely, and a blizzard of reforms followed, governing how hospitals function and what practitioners are allowed to do today. It's genuinely one of the most important cases in the history of Australia's mental health care system like this does. Yeah. And a lot of people argue it doesn't do enough. As always, the reforms are imperfect, but this does significantly alter the way in which, like, mental health therapy works in Australia.

[Robert]

Wow.

[Gabe Dunn]

Wow.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

It's good shit. It's good shit.

[Gabe Dunn]

I keep using. I keep Saying that things are crazy. And I know people don't like that, but, wow. This is. This is like a perfect confluence of, like, ableism, misogyny, like, just, like, sexism, like, ego. Like, it's just, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yep. Yep. And it's. It's even up, even at the end after they. Because the. The guy who writes, you know, the commission, the report is very unsparing about how bad Bailey was and the clinic was, but then at the end is like, also, none of the patients or victims get damages because, like, they waited too long to report anything. And all of these people pointed out, like. But actually immediately, a bunch of us immediately reported stuff and were ignored and tried for years to report stuff and just kept being ignored. And he was like, well, yeah, but it's still your job. It's not the government's job. It's your job to make the government do stuff. Stuff. So you actually didn't do work hard enough to try to make them stop this. So you're not. You don't get any money. Sorry.

[Gabe Dunn]

Yeah, I believe that governments love.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

It's cool. I. I love government.

[Gabe Dunn]

I.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

There's.

[Gabe Dunn]

There are so many victims just beyond what you can even name.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

Wow.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah, but they're not. They. They should have worked harder to get the government to do something about this.

[Gabe Dunn]

I. That is such a triggering word to me. Right. That's such a triggering phrase to me right now.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

So fucked up.

[Gabe Dunn]

Up.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah.

[Gabe Dunn]

The level to which you, like, elect someone into office and then they go, you didn't do enough. No, get away from me.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Yeah. The fuck? Yep. All right, well, this has run long. Thank you, Gabe, for coming in and sitting down and listening to these horrible stories. You want to plug anything here?

[Gabe Dunn]

No, just my podcast. Best Gabe ever. And my podcast, A Thousand Natural Shocks. And also the substack. A thousand naturalshocks.substack.com and thank you so much for having me. Like, I'm such a big fan. This is so crazy.

[Behind the Bastards Host (possibly Robert or a co-host)]

Thank you so much for being on. And listeners, until next time, remember, there's no health consequences to eating your body weight and benzos every single day of your life. So just do that.

[Robert]

Jesus Christ, Robert. Don't. Don't listen to him. Thank you so much. Behind the Bastards is a production of Cool Zone Media. For more from Coolzone Media, visit our website, coolzonemedia.com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Full video episodes of behind the Basterds are now streaming on Netflix dropping every Tuesday and Thursday. Hit remind me on Netflix so you don't miss an episode. For clips in our older episode catalog, continue to subscribe to our YouTube channel. YouTube.com BehindTheBastards we love about 40% of you, statistically speaking.

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