Two years into the EPA era — are we actually training surgeons differently, or just checking new boxes? In this episode, Behind the Knife co-director and Duke Trauma Surgeon Dr. Patrick Georgoff and Behind the Knife surgical education fellows Dr. Agnes Premkumar and Dr. Emma Burke sit down with Dr. Ruchi Thanawala, thoracic surgeon at OHSU, informatician, and founder of Firefly Labs, to get an honest look at the state of competency-based surgical education. We dig into why surgery is uniquely hard to assess, what the data are actually showing (spoiler: significant skewing, and we're not ready to make promotion decisions off it yet), and why collecting assessments is only 25% of the work. If you've ever wondered whether EPAs are moving the needle or just adding noise, this one's for you

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